From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 06:47:22 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:47:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <00eb01c81c09$29e5f980$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <00eb01c81c09$29e5f980$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>

Jennifer,

That is fascinating because I have a client with the same issue.  Outlook
only upgraded to 2003, the rest left at 2000, can't export to Excel.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:58 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003

Happy Halloween Everyone,

I have a client that for reasons relating to Outlook has updated their
systems to Office 2003, without Access 2003, while leaving Access 2000 so
that my databases can run.  I don't want to move the databases to Access
2003 because they are running fine in A2K and have been for years.  However,
they are running into some bumps in the road, particularly with exporting to
Excel using Tools > Office Links.

If anybody has an tips regarding the co-existence of Office 2003 with Access
2000 I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
databasics
Newbury Park, CA
office:  (805) 480-1921
fax:	   (805) 499-0467 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 07:43:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:43:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
Message-ID: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:56:28 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:56:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711010556q279b56f1ha7ae175d4568ab33@mail.gmail.com>

There is a commercial add-in that restores the old look.
http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/?gclid=CODuvoDZu48CFQ6CPAodl268cg
.
This reminds me of the petroleum companies. First they charge you to put
lead into gasoline, then they charge you to take it out.
A.

On 11/1/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
> discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
> standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
> customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back
> when
> the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
> monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
> are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
> newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
> the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
> if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 08:10:43 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:10:43 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711010556q279b56f1ha7ae175d4568ab33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c81c88$9c7bfb00$8119fea9@LTVM>


...and then they charge double the total again if you live in the UK

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

There is a commercial add-in that restores the old look.
http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/?gclid=CODuvoDZu48CFQ6CPAodl268
cg
.
This reminds me of the petroleum companies. First they charge you to put
lead into gasoline, then they charge you to take it out.
A.

On 11/1/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has 
> discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back 
> the standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a 
> couple of customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 
> format back when the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they 
> purchased newer 17"
> monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the 
> owners are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room 
> for the newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will 
> have to keep the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I 
> can do custom menus if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have
to go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 08:24:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:24:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711010556q279b56f1ha7ae175d4568ab33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
	<29f585dd0711010556q279b56f1ha7ae175d4568ab33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004301c81c8a$92240d80$647aa8c0@M90>

Yes, I found that.  Notice that the product for each office application is a
separate package and costs $16 (per user I assume?).  In the end all I care
about is Access but still...


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

There is a commercial add-in that restores the old look.
http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/?gclid=CODuvoDZu48CFQ6CPAodl268
cg
.
This reminds me of the petroleum companies. First they charge you to put
lead into gasoline, then they charge you to take it out.
A.

On 11/1/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has 
> discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back 
> the standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a 
> couple of customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 
> format back when the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they 
> purchased newer 17"
> monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the 
> owners are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room 
> for the newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will 
> have to keep the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I 
> can do custom menus if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have
to go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov  1 09:17:34 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:17:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <00eb01c81c09$29e5f980$6501a8c0@jefferson>
	<002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005701c81c91$f2ad52e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I had never tried this while I had all versions of office installed and
unfortunately I uninstalled all O2k apps a couple of months ago.

Could this be due to the Office tools installed during the upgrade to
Outlook 2003? I'll have to look through all my PCs and see if there is one
with only O2k left on it. - I think I have a win2k PC like that. If no one
else has this setup, I'll upgrade it to Outlook 2003 and see what happens.
Fun stuff, eh?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby

That is fascinating because I have a client with the same issue.  Outlook
only upgraded to 2003, the rest left at 2000, can't export to Excel.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

If anybody has an tips regarding the co-existence of Office 2003 with Access
2000 I would greatly appreciate it.




From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov  1 10:13:41 2007
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:13:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <30988884F445408690F38E55F7D99BA1@BPCS>

This site has several suggestions on the ribbon. I normally turn off Access 
menus and use my own, and used the "Want my databse created in A2003 do 
display my own menubar only"  from URL  below.

http://www.accessribbon.de/en/index.php?FAQ#VerweisError

I added notes that may or may not be useful but include them anyway.

>From my personal Tech-Tips.

NOTE: does not remove ribbon the first time, must close and reopen??? 5/07

(Not needed on mine because done in open routine)
Remove the tick from:

A2003: "Tools" / "Startup" / "Allow Build-in Toolbars"

Select your menubar from the drop-down "Menu Bar"

Click on main menu, then select Access Options at the bottom Then current 
database and scroll to the Ribbon and tool Options

 A2007: "Office Button" / Button "Access Options" / "Current Database" / 
"Ribbon and Toolbar Options" / "Allow Build-in Toolbars"

Select your menubar from the drop-down "Menu Bar".

Unclick allow built-in toolbars
Click Allow full Menus and allow Default Shortcut Menus
Note I can set the CurrentProject.Properties.Add "AllowBuiltinToolbars", 
True to false
Key Words
Remove Ribbon from  2007






----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars


I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 11:28:03 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:28:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>

Hello to the list,

I have a table which contains records each of which have a CoID (Company
ID), a JID (Job ID) and some responses to questions; some Boolean and some
currency.
It is a requirement for me to create a query for a report.

A problem I have run into is I need to provide a count of companies that had
a response to a question grouped by JID. Like:

JID	Question	Num Companies
	Answer	Responding

2	Q1Yes		3 
2	Q1No		5
3	Q1Yes		9 
3	Q1No		7
5	Q1Yes		31
5	Q1No		74
8	Q1Yes		3 
8	Q1No		0



Seems like I could get this from some SQL Totals Statement/Query.









From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 11:15:11 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:15:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what you
call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI> 
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in step
3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 11:46:53 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:46:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Have you tried a Totals view?

Set JID to GROUP BY and use SUM on the columns you want to total.

Susan H.


> Hello to the list,
>
> I have a table which contains records each of which have a CoID (Company
> ID), a JID (Job ID) and some responses to questions; some Boolean and some
> currency.
> It is a requirement for me to create a query for a report.
>
> A problem I have run into is I need to provide a count of companies that 
> had
> a response to a question grouped by JID. Like:
>
> JID Question Num Companies
> Answer Responding
>
> 2 Q1Yes 3
> 2 Q1No 5
> 3 Q1Yes 9
> 3 Q1No 7
> 5 Q1Yes 31
> 5 Q1No 74
> 8 Q1Yes 3
> 8 Q1No 0
>
>
>
> Seems like I could get this from some SQL Totals Statement/Query.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 11:56:59 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:56:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
	<013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B9A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Um ... Office/2006??

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are
the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what
you call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI>
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in
step 3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back
the standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple
of customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format
back when the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased
newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the
owners are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for
the newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to
keep the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do
custom menus if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to
go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  1 12:15:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:15:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
Message-ID: <s72a17c3.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

No cigar here. Neither with 2006 replaced with 2007.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-11-2007 17:15:11 >>>
John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what you
call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI> 
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in step
3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Nov  1 12:24:23 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:24:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B742B2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

We recently bought a backup/restore system called Acronis.  Great
software package. (Bought a server with a few terabytes of drive space
too).  Anywho, Acronis has a rather unique restore process.  With a
Windows 9x system, you could take a hard drive out of one machine, and
put it in another with completely different hardware, and after a
gazillion 'found new hardware' prompts, you'd eventually load Windows
again on the new machine.  Windows NT and 2000 were no where near as
friendly with new hardware.  Acronis does a 'true image' restore,
however, that lets you restore a system on a completely different
machine.  Pretty slick, and works about 95% of the time.

 

Virtual PC has been mentioned on this list before too.  It's a PC
emulator.  You can install all sorts of OSes on virtual hard drives
(which are just files on your real hard drives, though you can setup a
real hard drive as a 'virtual' hard drive in VPC).

 

This post is about something I've been doing the last few weeks, which I
think is just plain cool.  If you use these two software packages, you
can pretty easily create Virtual PCs from live machines.

 

Two examples:  Our Intranet died about a month ago.  One of the hard
drives crashed.  It was in a RAID, but the only machine that had the
same sized drives was my desktop. (80 gig SCSI drives).  So we
cannibalized my desktop to bring the Intranet back up.  We then bought a
new machine for the Intranet. (current machine was a glorified desktop,
new machine an actual rack server).  The old Intranet was Windows 2000
Server (on a PIII 1ghz processor with 768 megs of RAM, a mirrored OS
volume, and a RAID 5 data volume), new machine Windows 2003 Server (a
few gigs of ram, and I think a Xeon processor).  Anywho, there's no easy
way to 'move' an IIS 5.0 'web' to an IIS 6.0 web (though in IIS 6 you
can now save a website to a file to restore...that's nice...now.).  So I
manually moved our Intranet to the new machine.  Didn't mind doing it
that way, since over the years, our Intranet has a lot of unused stuff
on it, so I just moved what was being used......

 

But, now I want my hard drives back (especially since I talked my boss
into letting me 'build' a new machine for my desktop).  But I don't want
to just scrap the old web.  VPC and Acronis to the rescue.  Ran Acronis
to backup the Intranet's drives/system state.  Created two VPC drives.
Booted the VPC environment with an Acronis bootable CD, whalla, I now
have our old Intranet server running in a virtual environment!  Worked
like a charm (though, admittedly, this particular restore was the first
and only one that didn't boot right from the get go, had to do a Windows
2000 repair...thus the 95% comment).  With this Virtual PC environment,
I can do EVERYTHING I could do with the old system, hit it with Remote
Administrator, hit the old Intranet with my web browser, computer
management, hit the drives remotely, etc.  It's just like the old
Intranet is still there, but in reality, it's running in a VPC
environment on my 'newly rebuilt' desktop.

 

The second example is with Goldmine (a contact/customer management)
software package.  We bought a new version about 3 years ago (which
means it's an older version now).  Our account managers are still not
using it, and one of their claims is that all their contacts are in
Outlook.  So I spent a week or two combining everyone's Outlook contacts
(lots of fun), and now I want to import it into Goldmine.  But who wants
to do a huge data import on a live system?  Sure, it's SQL Server based,
so I could back it up, do the import, and restore it if something
goofs...but all of that could be down time for a live system. (In this
particular case, I don't think anyone is using it, but that's besides
the point).  Once again, VPC and Acronis to the rescue.  Did a backup of
the live Goldmine server.  Created a VPC environment and restored
Goldmine too it.  This one was a little trickier from a setup
standpoint.  With the Intranet situation, the new server was MINET2003,
and the old server was MINET.  When I had moved everything over, we
renamed the old machine MinetOLD, and the new machine to MINET.  So when
I created the virtual environment, I just took the physical minetOld
offline.  But with Goldmine, I wanted to created a 'duplicate' server.
Can't have two machines with the same name on the same domain.  So, to
accomplish this, I 'disabled' the network card of the virtual goldmine,
switched it to a workgroup (to take it off the domain), renamed it, then
enabled the NIC, and joined the domain again...and for the Goldmine
software, there was one .ini file (on the virtual server) to get the
clients to see the new virtual server.  Now I have a duplicate server on
the network, that I can completely destroy if I want.  And to bring it
back to the original state, I have two files (about 5 gigs total), that
I just copy and boot up to again.

 

Now, I know with using an .mdb as a data source, you can copy and
'restore' a database without all this mumbo jumbo.  However, I know a
lot of you are working with SQL Server and Oracle backends.  Some are
using web interfaces.  All of these 'servers' can take time to backup
and restore, especially when you are just playing around to see what
affects what.  This software combo can really be a huge time saver!

 

Drew


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 13:00:40 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:00:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <s72a17c3.009@cactus.dk>
References: <s72a17c3.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <021401c81cb1$1df82550$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Bummer.

  Picked it up somewhere but never got around to trying it. My one and only
2007 project to date fell through.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

Hi Jim

No cigar here. Neither with 2006 replaced with 2007.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-11-2007 17:15:11 >>>
John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what you
call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI> 
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in step
3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 13:04:07 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:04:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B742B2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B742B2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703BA1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I've been very impressed with TrueImage, from Acronis, although I've
only used it for my own backups and the occasional restore.  Nice thing
is it can restore at the file level, which is far better than other apps
I've seen. 

Thanks for the info

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)

We recently bought a backup/restore system called Acronis.  Great
software package. (Bought a server with a few terabytes of drive space
too).  Anywho, Acronis has a rather unique restore process.  With a
Windows 9x system, you could take a hard drive out of one machine, and
put it in another with completely different hardware, and after a
gazillion 'found new hardware' prompts, you'd eventually load Windows
again on the new machine.  Windows NT and 2000 were no where near as
friendly with new hardware.  Acronis does a 'true image' restore,
however, that lets you restore a system on a completely different
machine.  Pretty slick, and works about 95% of the time.

 

Virtual PC has been mentioned on this list before too.  It's a PC
emulator.  You can install all sorts of OSes on virtual hard drives
(which are just files on your real hard drives, though you can setup a
real hard drive as a 'virtual' hard drive in VPC).

 

This post is about something I've been doing the last few weeks, which I
think is just plain cool.  If you use these two software packages, you
can pretty easily create Virtual PCs from live machines.

 

Two examples:  Our Intranet died about a month ago.  One of the hard
drives crashed.  It was in a RAID, but the only machine that had the
same sized drives was my desktop. (80 gig SCSI drives).  So we
cannibalized my desktop to bring the Intranet back up.  We then bought a
new machine for the Intranet. (current machine was a glorified desktop,
new machine an actual rack server).  The old Intranet was Windows 2000
Server (on a PIII 1ghz processor with 768 megs of RAM, a mirrored OS
volume, and a RAID 5 data volume), new machine Windows 2003 Server (a
few gigs of ram, and I think a Xeon processor).  Anywho, there's no easy
way to 'move' an IIS 5.0 'web' to an IIS 6.0 web (though in IIS 6 you
can now save a website to a file to restore...that's nice...now.).  So I
manually moved our Intranet to the new machine.  Didn't mind doing it
that way, since over the years, our Intranet has a lot of unused stuff
on it, so I just moved what was being used......

 

But, now I want my hard drives back (especially since I talked my boss
into letting me 'build' a new machine for my desktop).  But I don't want
to just scrap the old web.  VPC and Acronis to the rescue.  Ran Acronis
to backup the Intranet's drives/system state.  Created two VPC drives.
Booted the VPC environment with an Acronis bootable CD, whalla, I now
have our old Intranet server running in a virtual environment!  Worked
like a charm (though, admittedly, this particular restore was the first
and only one that didn't boot right from the get go, had to do a Windows
2000 repair...thus the 95% comment).  With this Virtual PC environment,
I can do EVERYTHING I could do with the old system, hit it with Remote
Administrator, hit the old Intranet with my web browser, computer
management, hit the drives remotely, etc.  It's just like the old
Intranet is still there, but in reality, it's running in a VPC
environment on my 'newly rebuilt' desktop.

 

The second example is with Goldmine (a contact/customer management)
software package.  We bought a new version about 3 years ago (which
means it's an older version now).  Our account managers are still not
using it, and one of their claims is that all their contacts are in
Outlook.  So I spent a week or two combining everyone's Outlook contacts
(lots of fun), and now I want to import it into Goldmine.  But who wants
to do a huge data import on a live system?  Sure, it's SQL Server based,
so I could back it up, do the import, and restore it if something
goofs...but all of that could be down time for a live system. (In this
particular case, I don't think anyone is using it, but that's besides
the point).  Once again, VPC and Acronis to the rescue.  Did a backup of
the live Goldmine server.  Created a VPC environment and restored
Goldmine too it.  This one was a little trickier from a setup
standpoint.  With the Intranet situation, the new server was MINET2003,
and the old server was MINET.  When I had moved everything over, we
renamed the old machine MinetOLD, and the new machine to MINET.  So when
I created the virtual environment, I just took the physical minetOld
offline.  But with Goldmine, I wanted to created a 'duplicate' server.
Can't have two machines with the same name on the same domain.  So, to
accomplish this, I 'disabled' the network card of the virtual goldmine,
switched it to a workgroup (to take it off the domain), renamed it, then
enabled the NIC, and joined the domain again...and for the Goldmine
software, there was one .ini file (on the virtual server) to get the
clients to see the new virtual server.  Now I have a duplicate server on
the network, that I can completely destroy if I want.  And to bring it
back to the original state, I have two files (about 5 gigs total), that
I just copy and boot up to again.

 

Now, I know with using an .mdb as a data source, you can copy and
'restore' a database without all this mumbo jumbo.  However, I know a
lot of you are working with SQL Server and Oracle backends.  Some are
using web interfaces.  All of these 'servers' can take time to backup
and restore, especially when you are just playing around to see what
affects what.  This software combo can really be a huge time saver!




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 13:07:49 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:07:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <021401c81cb1$1df82550$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <s72a17c3.009@cactus.dk> <021401c81cb1$1df82550$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703BA3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I might very well work with the right XML, but that doesn't look right.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars


  Bummer.

  Picked it up somewhere but never got around to trying it. My one and
only
2007 project to date fell through.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

Hi Jim

No cigar here. Neither with 2006 replaced with 2007.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-11-2007 17:15:11 >>>
John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are
the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what
you call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI>
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in
step 3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 14:07:56 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:07:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B9A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
	<013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B9A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <027701c81cba$83b4ad10$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Looks like I picked it off one of the Office Blogs.  It's discussed here
along with another method:

http://www.utteraccess.com/forums/printthread.php?Cat=&Board=91&main=1302379
&type=thread

  In that thread, it says:

"Couldn't get it to work. I looked at other websites - they gave nearly
identical instructions. Couldn't get it to work. 
I gave up on the USysRibbons table idea and posted here. I followed the
example by freakazeud, which worked. I was able to customize the ideas given
by him, with very little problem, other than the issues we've discussed
above here.

I FINALLY figured out that it looks like the XML code in step 3 (Iin the
quote above) is missing a </Ribbon> tag. Funny thing is that this exact
sample XML code is on at least 5 other websites. Looks like a bad example of
copy/paste.
So, I may toy around with it some more, and put the XML code for the ribbon
I have developed, and put that in the USysRibbons table, and see what
happens. "


  Also, the last post may be of interest:

" Re: Disabling Ribbon Bar  
 

Hi, 

I found in the Access 2007 a "How to" page that discloses the cleanest way
to get rid of the ribbon altogether and display your custom menu and
toolbars. Go to "Developer Help" - "How Do I" - "Miscellaneous". 

The key item I got is that in the mdb's startup options, you *must* select
the name of your custom menu bar and persist it to the database using
Access' startup options window. And you must have the "Allow Full Menus" and
"Enable Built In Toolbars" options set to off. These options must have been
set *before* your mdb is opened in Access 2007. Through trial-and-error (as
you did), I found that it is not enough to set the startup menubar on the
fly with VBA code. I do, however, use VBA to display my desired toolbars.
All of this is without the existence of the USysRibbons table. But to be
complete in sharing, I do have the Sys table but have the ribbon name
cleared in Access 2007 startup options."

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

Um ... Office/2006??

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are
the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what
you call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI>
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in
step 3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back
the standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple
of customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format
back when the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased
newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the
owners are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for
the newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to
keep the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do
custom menus if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to
go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Nov  1 14:29:02 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:29:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDC2@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi List,
I have a query with admission rates data for August and September by
providers.  I'm trying to get a running sum across the two months for
each provider.  Put another way, for August we have an admission rate
and I want August admissions added to Septembers on Septembers row like
 
ProviderNo   Report_Date    CalRunTot    Actual Rates
3                    8/1/07            2.46                        2.46
3                    9/1/07            3.45                          .99

5                    8/1/07            8.21                         8.21

5                    9/1/07            9.95                         1.74
 
Hope this doesn't get all  mixed up in transmission, current SQL is
below
 
SELECT qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No AS Provnum,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No, qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_Name,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.report_date, qry_MATS_RunSum4.AdRate,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.RunTot,
DSum("adrate","qry_MATS_RunSum4","Provider_no<=" & [provnum] & " ") AS
CalRunTot
FROM qry_MATS_RunSum4;
 
MTIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 


From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 14:55:17 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:55:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>
	<00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>

Thanks for getting back to me.

What I need is to count the number of companies.
It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
How many different companies responded to the question and many yes and how
many no.


TIA
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Have you tried a Totals view?

Set JID to GROUP BY and use SUM on the columns you want to total.

Susan H.


> Hello to the list,
>
> I have a table which contains records each of which have a CoID 
> (Company ID), a JID (Job ID) and some responses to questions; some 
> Boolean and some currency.
> It is a requirement for me to create a query for a report.
>
> A problem I have run into is I need to provide a count of companies 
> that had a response to a question grouped by JID. Like:
>
> JID Question Num Companies
> Answer Responding
>
> 2 Q1Yes 3
> 2 Q1No 5
> 3 Q1Yes 9
> 3 Q1No 7
> 5 Q1Yes 31
> 5 Q1No 74
> 8 Q1Yes 3
> 8 Q1No 0
>
>
>
> Seems like I could get this from some SQL Totals Statement/Query.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 15:03:33 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:03:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will return 
just the one value though. If you need additional details, you'll need a 
subquery.

Susan H.

> What I need is to count the number of companies.
> It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> How many different companies responded to the question and many yes and 
> how
> many no.



From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 15:12:32 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:12:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>
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I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many
different ones are represented. 
One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....

I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....

TIA

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will return
just the one value though. If you need additional details, you'll need a
subquery.

Susan H.

> What I need is to count the number of companies.
> It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> How many different companies responded to the question and many yes 
> and how many no.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 15:21:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:21:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy><024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <028d01c81cc4$d2384550$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I know there's a simple way to do it, but I can't recall -- will have to 
review some old tips.

Susan H.


>I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many
> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  1 15:52:34 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:52:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <B3F01FC42E5E4B03B8A23124E0B65697@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim:

If that works it sounds assume.

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what you
call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI> 
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in step
3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 16:03:23 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:03:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>
	<00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>
	<024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com>

I would probably do two queries, one to select and to possibly group
and the second that uses the first as it's input that counts.

GK

On 11/1/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
> I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many
> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
>
> Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will return
> just the one value though. If you need additional details, you'll need a
> subquery.
>
> Susan H.
>
> > What I need is to count the number of companies.
> > It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> > How many different companies responded to the question and many yes
> > and how many no.
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Nov  1 15:54:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:54:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)
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Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B7431F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I like TrueImage too, though I must admit I can't say I'm super
impressed.  Don't get me wrong, it works, but I've seen a few quirks.
(For example, we're still having difficulty doing a remote install, have
to install the 'client' locally, before the server app can back it up.

But other then that, it's great.  If you already have TrueImage, you
should check out restoring to a VPC environment.  Virtual PC is free
now, so it won't cost a dime to use it.

Drew

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Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)

I've been very impressed with TrueImage, from Acronis, although I've
only used it for my own backups and the occasional restore.  Nice thing
is it can restore at the file level, which is far better than other apps
I've seen. 

Thanks for the info

Charlotte Foust


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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Nov  1 18:53:24 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:53:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum cont'd
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Good Evening List,
I sent a msg to accessd and it's on the web site but I never received a copy which I normally do.  Did it get to the list?
Maybe just a slow day...
Ed



From jengross at gte.net  Thu Nov  1 18:55:22 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:55:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00c901c81ce2$ade12820$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi John,

It turns out, after getting more of the story from the user, that she is
running into something that I have run into as well.  It also turns out
that it is not the Tools > Office Links export to Excel, but the exports
that I have coded.  They work fine the first couple of times that you
run them in one session, but after say 10 exports in one sitting, if you
have closed Excel between exports, a bad copy of Excel hangs around and
won't let the next export happen.  I run into this problem when testing
Access to Excel code, because I am over and over again exporting to
Excel.  Only a re-boot will get rid of that pesky Excel ghost.  The
trick I have found is to keep Excel open - I can close the workbooks,
but have to leave the mother ship open.

So, one of the lessons here is when the new network guy tells you that
the users can't export to Excel anymore and since A2K and Excel 2003
don't play nice together how much of a problem would it be to move your
code to Access 2003?  I can turn to my mantra - "I bill by the hour" -
and jump at the chance to re-code and debug and deal with the new
'features' of Access 2003, on a (billable) hourly basis.  Or, I can save
myself the headache and do my due diligence and dig to find out what is
really going on.  Problem solved, when you are doing 30 exports to Excel
in one sitting, don't close Excel.  I don't know what causes that and
years ago gave up trying to figure out why it happens.

I know this doesn't help your issue John, but it feels good to get it
out.

Jennifer

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003


Jennifer,

That is fascinating because I have a client with the same issue.
Outlook only upgraded to 2003, the rest left at 2000, can't export to
Excel.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:58 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003

Happy Halloween Everyone,

I have a client that for reasons relating to Outlook has updated their
systems to Office 2003, without Access 2003, while leaving Access 2000
so that my databases can run.  I don't want to move the databases to
Access 2003 because they are running fine in A2K and have been for
years.  However, they are running into some bumps in the road,
particularly with exporting to Excel using Tools > Office Links.

If anybody has an tips regarding the co-existence of Office 2003 with
Access 2000 I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
databasics
Newbury Park, CA
office:  (805) 480-1921
fax:	   (805) 499-0467 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 21:06:11 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:06:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] good opportunity
Message-ID: <045201c81cf5$e77e52c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

<http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/9/1/9197ccf5137b4388d5fa031f885eaab8 at endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=database>

I'd apply, but I don't have the .NET experience they're looking for.

Susan H. 



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov  1 23:38:58 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:38:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <00c901c81ce2$ade12820$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<00c901c81ce2$ade12820$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <013201c81d0a$489c7230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Jennifer,
Is Excel showing in the process list when "ghosting"? 

John B.




From jengross at gte.net  Fri Nov  2 10:51:59 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:51:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <013201c81d0a$489c7230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <008a01c81d68$5117aed0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi John,

I have not had the opportunity to jump in and see what is going on when
the problem happens for my client - they run Windows 2000 Server, so I
would be able to see a processes list.  My development machine runs
Windows 98 so I am not getting a processes list, just an application
list - and yes, Excel is showing on the application list - and an End
Task won't shut the thing down.  If I recall I will get a Not Responding
- End Now prompt, but even End Now will not get rid of the bugger.  A
reboot is all that will clear things up for me with Windows 98.  

Jennifer

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003


Hi Jennifer,
Is Excel showing in the process list when "ghosting"? 

John B.


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 12:26:58 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:26:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum cont'd
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711021026n2d939b59kee5bd4428fc370c7@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 1, 2007 7:53 PM, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> Good Evening List,
> I sent a msg to accessd and it's on the web site but I never received a copy which I normally do.  Did it get to the list?
> Maybe just a slow day...

Yep it did Ed.

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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 12:45:08 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:45:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum cont'd
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711021045y57a654cdl7b35fa7e5919b10f@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I saw it too. I don't have an answer but I saw it. I know you can
do running sum in a report but I wouldn't know how to do it in a
report. Or I might export to Excel and do it there.

GK

On 11/1/07, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> Good Evening List,
> I sent a msg to accessd and it's on the web site but I never received a copy which I normally do.  Did it get to the list?
> Maybe just a slow day...
> Ed
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 12:59:18 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:59:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum cont'd
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711021045y57a654cdl7b35fa7e5919b10f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<aea6c4950711021045y57a654cdl7b35fa7e5919b10f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711021059g7e103cb9r37588bfb8327cc05@mail.gmail.com>

I meant I wouldn't know how to do it in a QUERY....my fingers were not
correctly pusing the correct keys that my brain was telling them
to.....

GK

On 11/2/07, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes I saw it too. I don't have an answer but I saw it. I know you can
> do running sum in a report but I wouldn't know how to do it in a
> report. Or I might export to Excel and do it there.
>
> GK
>
> On 11/1/07, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> > Good Evening List,
> > I sent a msg to accessd and it's on the web site but I never received a copy which I normally do.  Did it get to the list?
> > Maybe just a slow day...
> > Ed
> >
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  2 13:01:38 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:01:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum
Message-ID: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>

Hi Ed

To calculate a running sum or total, DSum may be used but it's faster to use a subquery.
Basically looks like this:

  SELECT 
    S.TransDate, 
    S.Amount, 
      (Select 
        Sum([Amount]) 
      From 
        tblTransaction As T 
      Where 
        T.TransDate <= S.TransDate) AS 
    Balance
  FROM 
    tblTransaction AS S
  ORDER BY 
    S.TransDate;

I your case something like this (air code, not tested):

  SELECT 
    S.Provider_No As Provnum,
    S.[Report Date], 
    Sum(S.RunTot) As DayRunTot, 
      (Select 
        Sum([RunTot]) 
      From 
        qry_MATS_RunSum4 As T 
      Where 
        T.Provider_No = S.Provider_No
        And
        T.[Report Date] <= S.[Report Date]) AS 
    CalRunTot
  FROM 
    qry_MATS_RunSum4 AS S
  GROUP BY
    S.Provider_No,
    S.[Report Date]
  ORDER BY 
    S.Provider_No,
    S.[Report Date];

/gustav

>>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 01-11-2007 20:29 >>>
Hi List,
I have a query with admission rates data for August and September by
providers.  I'm trying to get a running sum across the two months for
each provider.  Put another way, for August we have an admission rate
and I want August admissions added to Septembers on Septembers row like
 
ProviderNo   Report_Date    CalRunTot    Actual Rates
3                    8/1/07            2.46                        2.46
3                    9/1/07            3.45                          .99

5                    8/1/07            8.21                         8.21

5                    9/1/07            9.95                         1.74
 
Hope this doesn't get all  mixed up in transmission, current SQL is
below
 
SELECT qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No AS Provnum,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No, qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_Name,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.report_date, qry_MATS_RunSum4.AdRate,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.RunTot,
DSum("adrate","qry_MATS_RunSum4","Provider_no<=" & [provnum] & " ") AS
CalRunTot
FROM qry_MATS_RunSum4;
 
MTIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 13:45:35 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:45:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

William 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 13:58:45 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:58:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
	<001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <003601c81d82$669a6e90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Is this a crosstab?

Susan H. 


> ...ok, you too, eh :)
> 
> ...given:
> 
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
> 
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
> number and the last containing a number
> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
> 
> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
> 
> ...help!
> 
> William 
> 
> 
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Nov  2 14:17:54 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:17:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum
In-Reply-To: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDC9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Gustav,
Thank you very much, I can stop banging my head against the wall. Couple
of tweaks and display the data in a chart and we're good to go.  Thanks
again.
Ed

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Sum
> 
> Hi Ed
> 
> To calculate a running sum or total, DSum may be used but 
> it's faster to use a subquery.
> Basically looks like this:
> 
>   SELECT 
>     S.TransDate, 
>     S.Amount, 
>       (Select 
>         Sum([Amount]) 
>       From 
>         tblTransaction As T 
>       Where 
>         T.TransDate <= S.TransDate) AS 
>     Balance
>   FROM 
>     tblTransaction AS S
>   ORDER BY 
>     S.TransDate;
> 
> I your case something like this (air code, not tested):
> 
>   SELECT 
>     S.Provider_No As Provnum,
>     S.[Report Date], 
>     Sum(S.RunTot) As DayRunTot, 
>       (Select 
>         Sum([RunTot]) 
>       From 
>         qry_MATS_RunSum4 As T 
>       Where 
>         T.Provider_No = S.Provider_No
>         And
>         T.[Report Date] <= S.[Report Date]) AS 
>     CalRunTot
>   FROM 
>     qry_MATS_RunSum4 AS S
>   GROUP BY
>     S.Provider_No,
>     S.[Report Date]
>   ORDER BY 
>     S.Provider_No,
>     S.[Report Date];
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 01-11-2007 20:29 >>>
> Hi List,
> I have a query with admission rates data for August and September by
> providers.  I'm trying to get a running sum across the two months for
> each provider.  Put another way, for August we have an admission rate
> and I want August admissions added to Septembers on 
> Septembers row like
>  
> ProviderNo   Report_Date    CalRunTot    Actual Rates
> 3                    8/1/07            2.46                   
>      2.46
> 3                    9/1/07            3.45                   
>        .99
> 
> 5                    8/1/07            8.21                   
>       8.21
> 
> 5                    9/1/07            9.95                   
>       1.74
>  
> Hope this doesn't get all  mixed up in transmission, current SQL is
> below
>  
> SELECT qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No AS Provnum,
> qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No, qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_Name,
> qry_MATS_RunSum4.report_date, qry_MATS_RunSum4.AdRate,
> qry_MATS_RunSum4.RunTot,
> DSum("adrate","qry_MATS_RunSum4","Provider_no<=" & [provnum] & " ") AS
> CalRunTot
> FROM qry_MATS_RunSum4;
>  
> MTIA
> Ed
>  
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
> 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 14:24:03 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:24:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk><001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<003601c81d82$669a6e90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000501c81d85$ee2b9a70$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Is this a crosstab?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>>
>> ...given:
>>
>> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
>> data1        1        1                            1             2
>> data2        1                  5                  5             3
>> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
>> data4                  2        3                  3             2
>> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
>> data6                  1                            1             1
>>
>> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
>> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
>> number and the last containing a number
>> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>>
>> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
>> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>>
>> ...help!
>>
>> William
>>
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 14:29:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:29:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk><001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local><003601c81d82$669a6e90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000501c81d85$ee2b9a70$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <007e01c81d86$b53bafb0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, it does look like a crosstab and I thought if you could do it in the 
crosstab, might be easier, but no, I don't have a solution for you.

Susan H.


> ...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 14:31:19 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:31:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <000501c81d85$ee2b9a70$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74469@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Hang on William, got a solution for you...have it posted in a
minute...one quick question, when you said the fields aren't null, but
are "", are you saying that they are text fields?  Just curious, not
sure if I need to force the data to be numeric... I'll have it posted in
a minute.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Is this a crosstab?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>>
>> ...given:
>>
>> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
>> data1        1        1                            1             2
>> data2        1                  5                  5             3
>> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
>> data4                  2        3                  3             2
>> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
>> data6                  1                            1             1
>>
>> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
>> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing
a
>> number and the last containing a number
>> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>>
>> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max
and
>> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>>
>> ...help!
>>
>> William
>>
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov  2 14:37:27 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:37:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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This looks like an easy job for a bit of code.  And a real tough job for
queries.

Rocky





 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

William 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  2 14:40:18 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:40:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
Message-ID: <s72b8b49.025@cactus.dk>

Hi William

Here is one method using Choose():

  SELECT 
    ID, 
    w, 
    x, 
    y, 
    z, 
      IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),
        Val("" & [w]),
        Val("" & [x])) AS Max12, 
      IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),
        Val("" & [y]),
        Val("" & [z])) AS Max34, 
      IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
        1,
        IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
          2,
          IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
            3,
            IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
              4,
              0)))) AS 
    First, 
      IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
        4,
        IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
          3,
          IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
            2,
            IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
              1,
              0)))) AS 
    Last, 
      IIf([Max12]>[Max34],
        [Max12],
        [Max34]) AS 
    Max, 
      IIf([First]=[Last],
        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),
        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z]))) AS 
    Series
  FROM 
    tblGuru;


This will return, which differs from your example but is according to your specification:

Max	Series
1	2
5	6
4	4
3	5
1	2
1	1

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>
...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

William 




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 14:46:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:46:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74469@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000501c81d88$ff0d2b30$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...ah me ...leave it to you to catch that one, no wonder I've been spinning 
in circles ...the fields are indeed long integers though I can convert them 
readily :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Hang on William, got a solution for you...have it posted in a
> minute...one quick question, when you said the fields aren't null, but
> are "", are you saying that they are text fields?  Just curious, not
> sure if I need to force the data to be numeric... I'll have it posted in
> a minute.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
> ...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
>
>> Is this a crosstab?
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>>>
>>> ...given:
>>>
>>> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
>>> data1        1        1                            1             2
>>> data2        1                  5                  5             3
>>> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
>>> data4                  2        3                  3             2
>>> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
>>> data6                  1                            1             1
>>>
>>> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
>>> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing
> a
>>> number and the last containing a number
>>> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>>>
>>> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max
> and
>>> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>>>
>>> ...help!
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 14:46:57 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:46:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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...its a possibility Susan but I can't see a way do it.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Well, it does look like a crosstab and I thought if you could do it in the
> crosstab, might be easier, but no, I don't have a solution for you.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> ...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 15:05:02 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:05:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b8b49.025@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c81d8b$a7abe860$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...thanks gustav but:
...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh
...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        4             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one 
containing a
number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field 
contents.
3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will 
allways be a single digit

...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(
...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's my 
story and I'm sticking to it :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Hi William
>
> Here is one method using Choose():
>
>  SELECT
>    ID,
>    w,
>    x,
>    y,
>    z,
>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),
>        Val("" & [w]),
>        Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,
>      IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),
>        Val("" & [y]),
>        Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,
>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>        1,
>        IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>          2,
>          IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>            3,
>            IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>              4,
>              0)))) AS
>    First,
>      IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>        4,
>        IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>          3,
>          IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>            2,
>            IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>              1,
>              0)))) AS
>    Last,
>      IIf([Max12]>[Max34],
>        [Max12],
>        [Max34]) AS
>    Max,
>      IIf([First]=[Last],
>        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),
> 
> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z]))) 
> AS
>    Series
>  FROM
>    tblGuru;
>
>
> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to your 
> specification:
>
> Max Series
> 1 2
> 5 6
> 4 4
> 3 5
> 1 2
> 1 1
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>
> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>
> ...given:
>
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
>
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
> number and the last containing a number
> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>
> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>
> ...help!
>
> William
>
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 15:08:01 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:08:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <000501c81d88$ff0d2b30$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B7446F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

To do this with just queries isn't too difficult, though the series (by
your definition) requires a little logic checking.  You could probably
do this with just one query, but what I tested uses two.  A Union query,
and then a totals query.  The Union query takes your W,X,Y, and Z fields
and puts them in the same field:

SELECT ALL W As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([W]),1,0) AS FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT X As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([X]),1,IIF((Not IsNull([W]))
AND (Not IsNull([Y]) OR Not IsNull([Z])),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT Y As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Y]),1,IIF((Not IsNull([W])
OR Not IsNull([Y])) AND Not IsNull([Z]),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT Z As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Z]),1,0) AS FieldHasData,
ID
FROM tblWilliam;

Note: My test table has ID as an AutoNumber, and then fields W,X,Y, And
Z as long integers.  It's important to use the ALL statement in this
thing, because Union queries default to not showing records with
duplicate data.

Next, we can now use a simple totals query to get the results you want:

SELECT tblWilliam.ID, Sum(qryUnionedFields.FieldHasData) AS
SumOfFieldHasData, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
tblWilliam.Z, Max(qryUnionedFields.Field) AS MaxOfField
FROM tblWilliam INNER JOIN qryUnionedFields ON tblWilliam.ID =
qryUnionedFields.ID
GROUP BY tblWilliam.ID, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
tblWilliam.Z
ORDER BY tblWilliam.ID;

Note that the Max field is simple, it's just Maxing the values in the
union query based on the ID field.  The series is summing that 'middle'
field in the Union query, which, by the logic we put in the union query,
shows a 1 if it needs to be counted in the series 'sum'.

I'll send you the sample db I whipped this up in, offline.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ah me ...leave it to you to catch that one, no wonder I've been
spinning 
in circles ...the fields are indeed long integers though I can convert
them 
readily :)

William

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 15:16:09 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:16:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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...looks can be deceiving :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> This looks like an easy job for a bit of code.  And a real tough job for
> queries.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>
> ...given:
>
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
>
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
> number and the last containing a number
> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>
> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>
> ...help!
>
> William
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  2 15:16:55 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:16:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
Message-ID: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>

Hi William

1) No problem.

2) Sorry, now I understand.
  Use this for Series:

      IIf([First]+[Last]=0,
        0,
        1+[Last]-[First]) AS 
    Series

3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I use Val() to convert to Integers.

/gustav


>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>
...thanks gustav but:
...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh
...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        4             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one 
containing a
number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field 
contents.
3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will 
allways be a single digit

...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(
...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's my 
story and I'm sticking to it :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Hi William
>
> Here is one method using Choose():
>
>  SELECT
>    ID,
>    w,
>    x,
>    y,
>    z,
>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),
>        Val("" & [w]),
>        Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,
>      IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),
>        Val("" & [y]),
>        Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,
>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>        1,
>        IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>          2,
>          IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>            3,
>            IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>              4,
>              0)))) AS
>    First,
>      IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>        4,
>        IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>          3,
>          IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>            2,
>            IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>              1,
>              0)))) AS
>    Last,
>      IIf([Max12]>[Max34],
>        [Max12],
>        [Max34]) AS
>    Max,
>      IIf([First]=[Last],
>        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),
> 
> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z]))) 
> AS
>    Series
>  FROM
>    tblGuru;
>
>
> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to your 
> specification:
>
> Max Series
> 1 2
> 5 6
> 4 4
> 3 5
> 1 2
> 1 1
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>
> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>
> ...given:
>
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
>
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
> number and the last containing a number
> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>
> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>
> ...help!
>
> William





From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 15:22:19 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:22:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B7446F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <001401c81d8e$11e94180$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...sigh ...I've probably tried at least 50 different qry approaches before 
trying to write code to do it ...I'll give this one a shot ...tks :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> To do this with just queries isn't too difficult, though the series (by
> your definition) requires a little logic checking.  You could probably
> do this with just one query, but what I tested uses two.  A Union query,
> and then a totals query.  The Union query takes your W,X,Y, and Z fields
> and puts them in the same field:
>
> SELECT ALL W As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([W]),1,0) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT X As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([X]),1,IIF((Not IsNull([W]))
> AND (Not IsNull([Y]) OR Not IsNull([Z])),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT Y As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Y]),1,IIF((Not IsNull([W])
> OR Not IsNull([Y])) AND Not IsNull([Z]),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT Z As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Z]),1,0) AS FieldHasData,
> ID
> FROM tblWilliam;
>
> Note: My test table has ID as an AutoNumber, and then fields W,X,Y, And
> Z as long integers.  It's important to use the ALL statement in this
> thing, because Union queries default to not showing records with
> duplicate data.
>
> Next, we can now use a simple totals query to get the results you want:
>
> SELECT tblWilliam.ID, Sum(qryUnionedFields.FieldHasData) AS
> SumOfFieldHasData, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
> tblWilliam.Z, Max(qryUnionedFields.Field) AS MaxOfField
> FROM tblWilliam INNER JOIN qryUnionedFields ON tblWilliam.ID =
> qryUnionedFields.ID
> GROUP BY tblWilliam.ID, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
> tblWilliam.Z
> ORDER BY tblWilliam.ID;
>
> Note that the Max field is simple, it's just Maxing the values in the
> union query based on the ID field.  The series is summing that 'middle'
> field in the Union query, which, by the logic we put in the union query,
> shows a 1 if it needs to be counted in the series 'sum'.
>
> I'll send you the sample db I whipped this up in, offline.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
> ...ah me ...leave it to you to catch that one, no wonder I've been
> spinning
> in circles ...the fields are indeed long integers though I can convert
> them
> readily :)
>
> William
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 15:32:10 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over 
...ain't no place like AccessD :)
...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before 
spending days running in circles.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Hi William
>
> 1) No problem.
>
> 2) Sorry, now I understand.
>  Use this for Series:
>
>      IIf([First]+[Last]=0,
>        0,
>        1+[Last]-[First]) AS
>    Series
>
> 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I 
> use Val() to convert to Integers.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>
> ...thanks gustav but:
> ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh
> ...given:
>
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        4             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
>
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one
> containing a
> number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field
> contents.
> 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will
> allways be a single digit
>
> ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(
> ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's 
> my
> story and I'm sticking to it :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
>
>> Hi William
>>
>> Here is one method using Choose():
>>
>>  SELECT
>>    ID,
>>    w,
>>    x,
>>    y,
>>    z,
>>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),
>>        Val("" & [w]),
>>        Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,
>>      IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),
>>        Val("" & [y]),
>>        Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,
>>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>>        1,
>>        IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>>          2,
>>          IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>>            3,
>>            IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>>              4,
>>              0)))) AS
>>    First,
>>      IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>>        4,
>>        IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>>          3,
>>          IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>>            2,
>>            IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>>              1,
>>              0)))) AS
>>    Last,
>>      IIf([Max12]>[Max34],
>>        [Max12],
>>        [Max34]) AS
>>    Max,
>>      IIf([First]=[Last],
>>        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),
>>
>> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))
>> AS
>>    Series
>>  FROM
>>    tblGuru;
>>
>>
>> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to 
>> your
>> specification:
>>
>> Max Series
>> 1 2
>> 5 6
>> 4 4
>> 3 5
>> 1 2
>> 1 1
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>
>> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>>
>> ...given:
>>
>> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
>> data1        1        1                            1             2
>> data2        1                  5                  5             3
>> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
>> data4                  2        3                  3             2
>> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
>> data6                  1                            1             1
>>
>> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
>> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
>> number and the last containing a number
>> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>>
>> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
>> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>>
>> ...help!
>>
>> William
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 15:25:59 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:25:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only (Better Solution)
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That'll teach me to do this stuff without a smoke break all afternoon.
Just realized there's an even easier way to do this.  Instead of all
that logic in the union query, we can get the same results
mathematically.

Here's the new Union Query:

SELECT ALL W As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([W]),1,null) AS FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT X As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([X]),2,null) AS
FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT Y As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Y]),3,null) AS
FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT Z As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Z]),4,null) AS
FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam;

Note that all the goofy logic is gone.  Instead, if that field is not
null, it gets a value equal to it's position (1 through 4, equating to
W,X,Y,and Z).  If it doesn't have a value, then FieldHasData is Null.

With that in mind, instead of summing that field, we make the Series
field be the Max-Min of FieldHasData + 1.

Here's the new totals query:

SELECT tblWilliam.ID, Max([FieldHasData])-Min([FieldHasData])+1 AS
Series, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y, tblWilliam.Z,
Max(qryUnionedFields.Field) AS MaxOfField
FROM tblWilliam INNER JOIN qryUnionedFields ON tblWilliam.ID =
qryUnionedFields.ID
GROUP BY tblWilliam.ID, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
tblWilliam.Z
ORDER BY tblWilliam.ID;

That way, if you need to add or remove fields, all you have to do is add
another line to the union query (and add the field to the totals query),
and the only 'check' would be to make sure that the 'true' part of the
IIF statement is sequenced (1, 2, 3,...etc). 

Next time you have a problem like this, start with 'Drew, I'm trying
too..... now, go smoke, and tell me how to do that. ' ;)

Drew

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  2 15:39:41 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:39:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
Message-ID: <s72b9940.028@cactus.dk>

Hi William

It might be a sign of stress ... Friday beer and weekend and fun is approaching!

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:32:10 >>>
...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over 
...ain't no place like AccessD :)
...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before 
spending days running in circles.

William




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 15:38:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:38:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <001001c81d8d$3579fb40$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B7447B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

LOL, I'll tell ya, if I learned anything about SQL in my years playing
with Access, it's that using plain old queries, such as what the wizard
does automatically for you is like riding a bike.  Using union queries
and subqueries is like riding a space shuttle.  You can go A LOT further
in it, though it's slightly more complex to operate! ;)

The key is to remember that queries are great for dealing with vertical
data (columns).  You can sum a column simply by saying Sum([SomeField]),
and it doesn't matter if there are a million records, it sums it off
that one line.  But if you need to Sum a Row, you have to build it
[SomeField]+[AnotherField]+[YetAnotherField].  This works, but if more
fields are added, it can be a pain, cause you have to adjust the
statements.  With a Union Query, you can take the horizontal, and make
it vertical...which, admittedly, if you add more fields, you still have
to change the union query (unless you build it on the fly), but it's
much cleaner, and easier to deal with.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...looks can be deceiving :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> This looks like an easy job for a bit of code.  And a real tough job
for
> queries.
>
> Rocky
>

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  2 15:44:24 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.
 
...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion.
 
Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:
field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff went
field2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...went
field3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z
 
Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab.
 
Good Luck,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
************SQL*************
TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;
************SQL*************
> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 15:55:31 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:55:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <001401c81d8e$11e94180$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74482@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

No problem, but don't use THIS example, use my second one, which just
posted.  This example uses logic for that 'FieldHasData' field, which if
you have more or less fields, you're going to go bonkers writing that.
My 'fix' is FAR easier.  To Add a field, you would just add the
following line to the union query:

UNION ALL SELECT XYZ As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([XYZ]),5,null) AS
FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam;

And then add the XYZ field to the totals query (which you can do through
the query builder).  The only 'trick' is making sure that the true part
of the IIF field is sequential in the order that you want to check the
series in.

Honestly, I wrote the example in less time then it would have taken to
write code for it...plus, the finished result is just a plain old query,
which is easy to push into a form or report.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...sigh ...I've probably tried at least 50 different qry approaches
before 
trying to write code to do it ...I'll give this one a shot ...tks :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> To do this with just queries isn't too difficult, though the series
(by
> your definition) requires a little logic checking.  You could probably
> do this with just one query, but what I tested uses two.  A Union
query,
> and then a totals query.  The Union query takes your W,X,Y, and Z
fields
> and puts them in the same field:
>
> SELECT ALL W As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([W]),1,0) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT X As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([X]),1,IIF((Not
IsNull([W]))
> AND (Not IsNull([Y]) OR Not IsNull([Z])),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT Y As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Y]),1,IIF((Not
IsNull([W])
> OR Not IsNull([Y])) AND Not IsNull([Z]),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT Z As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Z]),1,0) AS FieldHasData,
> ID
> FROM tblWilliam;
>
> Note: My test table has ID as an AutoNumber, and then fields W,X,Y,
And
> Z as long integers.  It's important to use the ALL statement in this
> thing, because Union queries default to not showing records with
> duplicate data.
>
> Next, we can now use a simple totals query to get the results you
want:
>
> SELECT tblWilliam.ID, Sum(qryUnionedFields.FieldHasData) AS
> SumOfFieldHasData, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
> tblWilliam.Z, Max(qryUnionedFields.Field) AS MaxOfField
> FROM tblWilliam INNER JOIN qryUnionedFields ON tblWilliam.ID =
> qryUnionedFields.ID
> GROUP BY tblWilliam.ID, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
> tblWilliam.Z
> ORDER BY tblWilliam.ID;
>
> Note that the Max field is simple, it's just Maxing the values in the
> union query based on the ID field.  The series is summing that
'middle'
> field in the Union query, which, by the logic we put in the union
query,
> shows a 1 if it needs to be counted in the series 'sum'.
>
> I'll send you the sample db I whipped this up in, offline.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
> ...ah me ...leave it to you to catch that one, no wonder I've been
> spinning
> in circles ...the fields are indeed long integers though I can convert
> them
> readily :)
>
> William
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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Fri Nov  2 16:17:12 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:17:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000001c81d95$bc8d7960$2101a8c0@AB>

If empty fields contain "" rather than nulls, then the fields are supposed
to be text - and you could use a query like this:

SELECT w, x, y, z, 
IIf([x]>[w] Or [y]>[x] Or [z]>[y],IIf([y]>[x] Or ([z]>[y] And
[z]>[x]),IIf([z]>[y],[z],[y]),[x]),[w]) AS [Max], 
-(IsNumeric([w])+IsNumeric([x])+IsNumeric([y])+IsNumeric([z])) AS [Series]
FROM tblTest

Asger
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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Sendt: 2. november 2007 19:46
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 16:15:48 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:15:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk><002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W39937165AA6F485D147FEBD28D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <010e01c81d95$8d6e0730$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be 
> achieved using a single crosstab.

=======That's what I thought.

Susan H. 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov  2 16:32:10 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
	<001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <001801c81d97$d3cd3f50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi William,

I can envision doing this while looping through the recordset.  But what I
would do that's a little different is to not refer to w,x,y, or z, but
rather use the index value of the fields.

So instead of rst("w") use rst(1) (or is it rst(0)??).  If you replace 1
with lngField you can give yourself some control over what the code is
doing.

You'll need to walk through the fields for max like:

Do while lngField<=4
	If lngMax < rst(lngField) then
		lngMax = rst(lngField)
	endif
	lngField = lngField + 1
loop 
rst("Max") = lngMax

Then do something similar for your total fields column.

Hope this helps!
Dan 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Fri Nov  2 18:27:57 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:27:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <000001c81d95$bc8d7960$2101a8c0@AB>
Message-ID: <000101c81da8$004b5f70$2101a8c0@AB>

--correction, the query should be like this (supposing text data type and
empty string "" as empty field value):

SELECT w, x, y, z, IIf(val(x)>val(w) Or val(y)>val(w) Or val(z)>val(w),
IIf(val(y)>val(x) Or val(z)>val(x),
IIf(val(z)>val(y),val(z),val(y)),val(x)),val(w)) AS Max, 
-(IsNumeric(w)+IsNumeric(x)+IsNumeric(y)+IsNumeric(z)) AS Series
FROM tblTest

Asger

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Sendt: 2. november 2007 22:17
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

If empty fields contain "" rather than nulls, then the fields are supposed
to be text - and you could use a query like this:

SELECT w, x, y, z, 
IIf([x]>[w] Or [y]>[x] Or [z]>[y],IIf([y]>[x] Or ([z]>[y] And
[z]>[x]),IIf([z]>[y],[z],[y]),[x]),[w]) AS [Max], 
-(IsNumeric([w])+IsNumeric([x])+IsNumeric([y])+IsNumeric([z])) AS [Series]
FROM tblTest

Asger
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af William Hindman
Sendt: 2. november 2007 19:46
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

William 


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Nov  3 01:56:19 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:56:19 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
Message-ID: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>


Hi All,

This post is a way off-topic and it's not easy weekend reading but I dare to
post it here because it's related to the people of many nations and I expect
this my post will be let through by moderators who allowed to have here a
rather heated discussion about fires in California...

No, I do not expect a heated discussion of this OT thread here. Just read
it.

This post has excerpts from an article published on 31-OCT-2007 here:

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=820588 

Here is its automated translation:
 
http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommer
sant.ru%2Fdoc.aspx%3FDocsID%3D820588&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp
2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=44&psubmit2.y=6

Below are the excerpts, which I tried to make more readable than referred
above automated translation. My short comments are in brackets marked with
(SS: ...). As you can find this article is far from being "an apologetics to
the nowadays Russian Authorities"...

I'm sorry that is all I can do now. Read on till the end and then you should
get what a lot of people feel and think here. Thank you.
 
<<<<
If he would have not arrived today, it could not be understood...
=================================================================

...Yesterday, in Day of Memory of Victims of Political Reprisals, the
president of Russia Vladimir Putin has arrived to Butovo where are buried
more than 20 thousand of people shot to death in 1937-1938....

...Here are buried more than 20 thousands of persons, - speaks diakon
Dmitrij, and these are only about whom we precisely know. More than three
hundreds of them are canonized, these are those from approximately thousand
who passed on church affairs: not only clerics, but also church heads, and
simply active laymen. First Russian pilot Danilevsky, troupe of one Baltic
theatre with its full complement lays here... People of sixty nationalities
are buried here: Greeks, Japanese, Germans... even an Epiopian... 

...You go on a sanded pathway, and you realize, that what you now feel is
"the ground burning under foots". To not touch it, to not tramble it down
that is all what is required from you now. Because you never ever walk over
the tombs before. Leaves rustle under foots, as pieces of polyfoam in hands.
And you feel "frost on your skin"...

... - For us it is a real tragedy, - he (SS:Mr. Putin) has continued  - the
scale of this tragedy is enormous - millions of persons were banished,  have
been shot to death. And that were first of all people with their own opinion
who were not afraid to openly express this their opinion... The most
effective people, color of the nation were destroyed.... 

...I (SS:this artcle author continues), maybe, first time have seen the
confused president. 

- That's a complete crazyness (SS: umopomrachenie <- RUS), - has murmured
the president. - it seems, that it is impossible to do that.  For what?!
(SS: for what all that people were executed to death?)...

...Father Cyril, the grandson of one of shot on this field, has made a
helpless gesture and has added, that here the executors have shot the boy of
twelve years. It was authorized to shoot only from fifteen, and they have
attributed in the documents three superfluous years to the boy (to be
"authorized" to kill him "legally"). They have also shot the seventy years
old grandmother, and it is not clear for what reason she was shot do
death.... 

... - But memory is necessary to us not in itself, - spoke president. - but
to determine the ways for development of the country... Political disputes,
fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is necessary, that this
process would have not been destructive - it should be creative

Now it should become clearer, why "United Russia" (SS: the most powerful
political party here leaded by Mr.Putin for this year's December Russian
Parliament Elections) will not participate in pre-election debate. These
debate, probably, risk to become destructive for them (SS: for "United
Russia" party).... 

>>>>


--
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Nov  3 08:07:12 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:07:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
References: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001001c81e1a$73975660$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...I don't "get" the last paragraph Shamil ...did you post this on OT?
William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "'Access-D'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not be 
understood...


>
> Hi All,
>
> This post is a way off-topic and it's not easy weekend reading but I dare 
> to
> post it here because it's related to the people of many nations and I 
> expect
> this my post will be let through by moderators who allowed to have here a
> rather heated discussion about fires in California...
>
> No, I do not expect a heated discussion of this OT thread here. Just read
> it.
>
> This post has excerpts from an article published on 31-OCT-2007 here:
>
> http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=820588
>
> Here is its automated translation:
>
> http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommer
> sant.ru%2Fdoc.aspx%3FDocsID%3D820588&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp
> 2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=44&psubmit2.y=6
>
> Below are the excerpts, which I tried to make more readable than referred
> above automated translation. My short comments are in brackets marked with
> (SS: ...). As you can find this article is far from being "an apologetics 
> to
> the nowadays Russian Authorities"...
>
> I'm sorry that is all I can do now. Read on till the end and then you 
> should
> get what a lot of people feel and think here. Thank you.
>
> <<<<
> If he would have not arrived today, it could not be understood...
> =================================================================
>
> ...Yesterday, in Day of Memory of Victims of Political Reprisals, the
> president of Russia Vladimir Putin has arrived to Butovo where are buried
> more than 20 thousand of people shot to death in 1937-1938....
>
> ...Here are buried more than 20 thousands of persons, - speaks diakon
> Dmitrij, and these are only about whom we precisely know. More than three
> hundreds of them are canonized, these are those from approximately 
> thousand
> who passed on church affairs: not only clerics, but also church heads, and
> simply active laymen. First Russian pilot Danilevsky, troupe of one Baltic
> theatre with its full complement lays here... People of sixty 
> nationalities
> are buried here: Greeks, Japanese, Germans... even an Epiopian...
>
> ...You go on a sanded pathway, and you realize, that what you now feel is
> "the ground burning under foots". To not touch it, to not tramble it down
> that is all what is required from you now. Because you never ever walk 
> over
> the tombs before. Leaves rustle under foots, as pieces of polyfoam in 
> hands.
> And you feel "frost on your skin"...
>
> ... - For us it is a real tragedy, - he (SS:Mr. Putin) has continued  - 
> the
> scale of this tragedy is enormous - millions of persons were banished, 
> have
> been shot to death. And that were first of all people with their own 
> opinion
> who were not afraid to openly express this their opinion... The most
> effective people, color of the nation were destroyed....
>
> ...I (SS:this artcle author continues), maybe, first time have seen the
> confused president.
>
> - That's a complete crazyness (SS: umopomrachenie <- RUS), - has murmured
> the president. - it seems, that it is impossible to do that.  For what?!
> (SS: for what all that people were executed to death?)...
>
> ...Father Cyril, the grandson of one of shot on this field, has made a
> helpless gesture and has added, that here the executors have shot the boy 
> of
> twelve years. It was authorized to shoot only from fifteen, and they have
> attributed in the documents three superfluous years to the boy (to be
> "authorized" to kill him "legally"). They have also shot the seventy years
> old grandmother, and it is not clear for what reason she was shot do
> death....
>
> ... - But memory is necessary to us not in itself, - spoke president. - 
> but
> to determine the ways for development of the country... Political 
> disputes,
> fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is necessary, that this
> process would have not been destructive - it should be creative
>
> Now it should become clearer, why "United Russia" (SS: the most powerful
> political party here leaded by Mr.Putin for this year's December Russian
> Parliament Elections) will not participate in pre-election debate. These
> debate, probably, risk to become destructive for them (SS: for "United
> Russia" party)....
>
>>>>>
>
>
> --
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>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov  3 09:02:40 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 07:02:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
In-Reply-To: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <006701c81e22$32b3e1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Shamil:

"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?

Is he trying to engineer a way to stay in power as a strong ruler if not
dictator and undo or move away from the democratic reforms?

Rocky


Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:56 PM
To: 'Access-D'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not be
understood...


Hi All,

This post is a way off-topic and it's not easy weekend reading but I dare to
post it here because it's related to the people of many nations and I expect
this my post will be let through by moderators who allowed to have here a
rather heated discussion about fires in California...

No, I do not expect a heated discussion of this OT thread here. Just read
it.

This post has excerpts from an article published on 31-OCT-2007 here:

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=820588 

Here is its automated translation:
 
http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommer
sant.ru%2Fdoc.aspx%3FDocsID%3D820588&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp
2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=44&psubmit2.y=6

Below are the excerpts, which I tried to make more readable than referred
above automated translation. My short comments are in brackets marked with
(SS: ...). As you can find this article is far from being "an apologetics to
the nowadays Russian Authorities"...

I'm sorry that is all I can do now. Read on till the end and then you should
get what a lot of people feel and think here. Thank you.
 
<<<<
If he would have not arrived today, it could not be understood...
=================================================================

...Yesterday, in Day of Memory of Victims of Political Reprisals, the
president of Russia Vladimir Putin has arrived to Butovo where are buried
more than 20 thousand of people shot to death in 1937-1938....

...Here are buried more than 20 thousands of persons, - speaks diakon
Dmitrij, and these are only about whom we precisely know. More than three
hundreds of them are canonized, these are those from approximately thousand
who passed on church affairs: not only clerics, but also church heads, and
simply active laymen. First Russian pilot Danilevsky, troupe of one Baltic
theatre with its full complement lays here... People of sixty nationalities
are buried here: Greeks, Japanese, Germans... even an Epiopian... 

...You go on a sanded pathway, and you realize, that what you now feel is
"the ground burning under foots". To not touch it, to not tramble it down
that is all what is required from you now. Because you never ever walk over
the tombs before. Leaves rustle under foots, as pieces of polyfoam in hands.
And you feel "frost on your skin"...

... - For us it is a real tragedy, - he (SS:Mr. Putin) has continued  - the
scale of this tragedy is enormous - millions of persons were banished,  have
been shot to death. And that were first of all people with their own opinion
who were not afraid to openly express this their opinion... The most
effective people, color of the nation were destroyed.... 

...I (SS:this artcle author continues), maybe, first time have seen the
confused president. 

- That's a complete crazyness (SS: umopomrachenie <- RUS), - has murmured
the president. - it seems, that it is impossible to do that.  For what?!
(SS: for what all that people were executed to death?)...

...Father Cyril, the grandson of one of shot on this field, has made a
helpless gesture and has added, that here the executors have shot the boy of
twelve years. It was authorized to shoot only from fifteen, and they have
attributed in the documents three superfluous years to the boy (to be
"authorized" to kill him "legally"). They have also shot the seventy years
old grandmother, and it is not clear for what reason she was shot do
death.... 

... - But memory is necessary to us not in itself, - spoke president. - but
to determine the ways for development of the country... Political disputes,
fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is necessary, that this
process would have not been destructive - it should be creative

Now it should become clearer, why "United Russia" (SS: the most powerful
political party here leaded by Mr.Putin for this year's December Russian
Parliament Elections) will not participate in pre-election debate. These
debate, probably, risk to become destructive for them (SS: for "United
Russia" party).... 

>>>>


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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 11:10:09 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:10:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
Message-ID: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>

It seems that this should be easy, but I'm not getting it.  I have a 
table of registered voters with their physical addresses and mailing 
addresses if other than the physical address.  The physical address 
fields were laid out according to excellent rules, separated into house 
numbers, directional prefix, roadway name, roadway type, directional 
suffix, and residential extension.  But, the mailing address fields were 
just MailAddr1, MailAddr2, MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and MailAddr5 text 
fields, with no consistent data entry rules - so there were PO Box 
numbers in MailAddr1 or MailAddr2, alone or in combination with city 
name, state name, and sometimes zip code.  In order to use the data for 
mailing, I spent yesterday cleaning up the mailing address fields so 
that a "full" street address if any is in MailAddr1, PO Boxes are in 
MailAddr2, City, State, and Zip are in MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and 
MailAddr5 respectively.

Now, I am trying to generate a report with these addresses.  In some 
cases there are both a street address and a PO Box number, such as 2651 
Gunny's Way NE, PO Box 1534.  But, I don't want a blank line appearing 
for blank street addresses or PO Box addresses, so I'm trying to put 
them together in an expression. What I want to do is insert a carriage 
return character after the street address to put the PO Box on its own 
print line. 

I have this expression so far:
=Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1]&" ","")&[MailAddr2])
which strings them out nicely, with a space between them.  Instead of 
the " " I want to have ASCII 13 or the Access vba equivalent.  I have 
tried vbCrLf, but Access sticks square brackets around it and demands a 
value for it as a parameter.  (I've tried a bunch of other stuff, too, 
but just in case this turns out to be way easy, I am not going to spill 
the beans about my many failed efforts.)

How do I do this?

TIA
Tina


From joeo at appoli.com  Sat Nov  3 11:51:40 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:51:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>

Tina,

You need both Carriage Return (ASCII 13) and Line Fee (ASCII 10).  Use
Chr(13) & Chr(10) instead of " ".

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?

It seems that this should be easy, but I'm not getting it.  I have a 
table of registered voters with their physical addresses and mailing 
addresses if other than the physical address.  The physical address 
fields were laid out according to excellent rules, separated into house 
numbers, directional prefix, roadway name, roadway type, directional 
suffix, and residential extension.  But, the mailing address fields were

just MailAddr1, MailAddr2, MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and MailAddr5 text 
fields, with no consistent data entry rules - so there were PO Box 
numbers in MailAddr1 or MailAddr2, alone or in combination with city 
name, state name, and sometimes zip code.  In order to use the data for 
mailing, I spent yesterday cleaning up the mailing address fields so 
that a "full" street address if any is in MailAddr1, PO Boxes are in 
MailAddr2, City, State, and Zip are in MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and 
MailAddr5 respectively.

Now, I am trying to generate a report with these addresses.  In some 
cases there are both a street address and a PO Box number, such as 2651 
Gunny's Way NE, PO Box 1534.  But, I don't want a blank line appearing 
for blank street addresses or PO Box addresses, so I'm trying to put 
them together in an expression. What I want to do is insert a carriage 
return character after the street address to put the PO Box on its own 
print line. 

I have this expression so far:
=Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1]&" ","")&[MailAddr2])
which strings them out nicely, with a space between them.  Instead of 
the " " I want to have ASCII 13 or the Access vba equivalent.  I have 
tried vbCrLf, but Access sticks square brackets around it and demands a 
value for it as a parameter.  (I've tried a bunch of other stuff, too, 
but just in case this turns out to be way easy, I am not going to spill 
the beans about my many failed efforts.)

How do I do this?

TIA
Tina
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 11:55:08 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:55:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>

Or use the constant vbCrLf.

Arthur

On 11/3/07, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:
>
> Tina,
>
> You need both Carriage Return (ASCII 13) and Line Fee (ASCII 10).  Use
> Chr(13) & Chr(10) instead of " ".
>
> Joe
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 12:29:46 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:29:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <472CB00A.4020804@torchlake.com>

Joe,
Yes, when I make it:
=Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & Chr(13) & Chr(10), "") 
& [MailAddr2])
it works.

Tina

Joe O'Connell wrote:
> Tina,
>
> You need both Carriage Return (ASCII 13) and Line Fee (ASCII 10).  Use
> Chr(13) & Chr(10) instead of " ".
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
>
> It seems that this should be easy, but I'm not getting it.  I have a 
> table of registered voters with their physical addresses and mailing 
> addresses if other than the physical address.  The physical address 
> fields were laid out according to excellent rules, separated into house 
> numbers, directional prefix, roadway name, roadway type, directional 
> suffix, and residential extension.  But, the mailing address fields were
>
> just MailAddr1, MailAddr2, MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and MailAddr5 text 
> fields, with no consistent data entry rules - so there were PO Box 
> numbers in MailAddr1 or MailAddr2, alone or in combination with city 
> name, state name, and sometimes zip code.  In order to use the data for 
> mailing, I spent yesterday cleaning up the mailing address fields so 
> that a "full" street address if any is in MailAddr1, PO Boxes are in 
> MailAddr2, City, State, and Zip are in MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and 
> MailAddr5 respectively.
>
> Now, I am trying to generate a report with these addresses.  In some 
> cases there are both a street address and a PO Box number, such as 2651 
> Gunny's Way NE, PO Box 1534.  But, I don't want a blank line appearing 
> for blank street addresses or PO Box addresses, so I'm trying to put 
> them together in an expression. What I want to do is insert a carriage 
> return character after the street address to put the PO Box on its own 
> print line. 
>
> I have this expression so far:
> =Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1]&" ","")&[MailAddr2])
> which strings them out nicely, with a space between them.  Instead of 
> the " " I want to have ASCII 13 or the Access vba equivalent.  I have 
> tried vbCrLf, but Access sticks square brackets around it and demands a 
> value for it as a parameter.  (I've tried a bunch of other stuff, too, 
> but just in case this turns out to be way easy, I am not going to spill 
> the beans about my many failed efforts.)
>
> How do I do this?
>
> TIA
> Tina
>   


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 12:35:17 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:35:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
	<29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>

Arthur,

I wanted to use that constant, but I am not succeeding.

When I write:
=Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& [MailAddr2])
Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.

What am I doing wrong?
Tina

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Or use the constant vbCrLf.
>
> Arthur
>
> On 11/3/07, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:
>   
>> Tina,
>>
>> You need both Carriage Return (ASCII 13) and Line Fee (ASCII 10).  Use
>> Chr(13) & Chr(10) instead of " ".
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>     


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 12:43:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:43:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>
	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> When I write:
> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& 
> [MailAddr2])
> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.

=====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb constants 
in a query expression.

Susan H. 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 12:56:16 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:56:16 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <000001c81e42$d5d24060$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Tina,
I use a rather long function as shown below.  I have actually trimmed this
down considerable for your use as it actually does a whole bunch of other
things for me.  For your requirements this should suffice.  It uses
concatenation with nulls. This means it stores contents into variants
instead of strings (although they are named as string for my own use. Eg
strTitle instead of varTitle, change if you prefer).

As I say, it is rather lengthy because I never know what data I am going to
have and need to have a full address constructed correctly.  Hope I have
removed anything useful.

HTH

Max

Function tryIt()
MsgBox pfFormatPersonAddress(11200)
End Function

Function pfFormatPersonAddress(lngPID As Long) As String
  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset, sql As String
  Dim bBadPostalArea As Boolean
  bBadPostalArea = False  ' could be overseas
  Dim strAddrCode As String
  Dim lngTitleID As Variant, lngSuffixID As Variant
  Dim lngFKDistrictID As Variant, lngFKTownID As Variant
  Dim lngFKCountyID As Variant, lngFKPostalAreaID As Variant
  Dim lngFKCountryID As Variant

  Dim strTitle As Variant, strSuffix As Variant
  Dim strFirstName As Variant, strSecondName As Variant
  Dim strSurname As Variant

  Dim strHouseName As Variant, strHouseNum As Variant
  Dim strStreet As Variant
  Dim strPostalDistrict As Variant, strIn As Variant
  Dim strCountry As Variant, strCounty As Variant, strTown As Variant
  Dim strDefaultPostCode As String
  Dim strDistrict As Variant
  Dim varAddr As Variant, strLine As Variant
  Dim strOverseasPostCode As Variant

  ' rst variables that are being updated
  Dim strAddrName As Variant
  Dim strAddrMembName As Variant
  Dim strAddrShort As Variant
  Dim strAddrSingle As Variant
  Dim strAddrFull As Variant
  Dim strPostalArea As String
  Dim lngLocationID As Long

  Set dbs = CurrentDb

  sql = "Select * from mcmPeople where PersonID=" & lngPID
  Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(sql)
  If rst.EOF Then
    MsgBox "Cannot Find Person With PID: " & lngPID
    GoTo exithere
  End If

  ' Change empty strings to nulls so that empty vars are all set to null
  ' we can then use the '+' sign to avoid having empty lines
  If Nz(rst!FKTitleID, 0) = 0 Then lngTitleID = 0 Else lngTitleID =
rst!FKTitleID
  If Nz(rst!FKSuffixID, 0) = 0 Then lngSuffixID = 0 Else lngSuffixID =
rst!FKSuffixID
  If Nz(rst!FKPostalAreaID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKPostalAreaID = 0 Else
lngFKPostalAreaID = rst!FKPostalAreaID
  If Nz(rst!FKDistrictID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKDistrictID = 0 Else
lngFKDistrictID = rst!FKDistrictID
  If Nz(rst!FKTownID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKTownID = 0 Else lngFKTownID =
rst!FKTownID
  If Nz(rst!FKCountyID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKCountyID = 0 Else lngFKCountyID =
rst!FKCountyID
  If Nz(rst!FKCountryID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKCountryID = 0 Else lngFKCountryID
= rst!FKCountryID


  If Len(Trim(rst!FirstName)) = 0 Or rst!FirstName = "" Then strFirstName =
Null Else strFirstName = rst!FirstName
  If Len(Trim(rst!SecondName)) = 0 Or rst!SecondName = "" Or
IsNull(rst!SecondName) Then
    strSecondName = Null
  Else
    strSecondName = rst!SecondName
  End If

  If Len(Trim(rst!Surname)) = 0 Or rst!Surname = "" Then strSurname = Null
Else strSurname = rst!Surname
  If Len(Trim(rst!HouseName)) = 0 Or rst!HouseName = "" Then strHouseName =
Null Else strHouseName = rst!HouseName
  If Len(Trim(rst!HouseNum)) = 0 Or rst!HouseNum = "" Then strHouseNum =
Null Else strHouseNum = rst!HouseNum
  If Len(Trim(rst!Street)) = 0 Or rst!Street = "" Then strStreet = Null Else
strStreet = rst!Street
  If Len(Trim(rst!PostalDistrict)) = 0 Or rst!PostalDistrict = "" Then
strPostalDistrict = Null Else strPostalDistrict = rst!PostalDistrict
  If Len(Trim(rst!InCode)) = 0 Or rst!InCode = "" Then strIn = Null Else
strIn = rst!InCode
  If Len(Trim(rst!OverseasPostCode)) = 0 Or rst!OverseasPostCode = "" Then
strOverseasPostCode = Null Else strIn = rst!OverseasPostCode


  '==============================================================
  ' NAMES ****************  ' sometime we only have an Initial for the first
name
  If Not IsNull(strFirstName) And Len(strFirstName) = 1 Then
    strFirstName = strFirstName & "."
  End If
  strAddrName = Trim(((strTitle + " ") & (strFirstName + " ") & _
                      (Left(strSecondName, 1) + ". ") & (strSurname + " ") &
(strSuffix + "")))      '& "   (" & rst!PersonID & ")"

  strAddrFull = strAddrName  ' only goes into full address
  If Not IsNull(strHouseName) Then
    strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strHouseName
  End If

  strLine = (strHouseNum + " ") & (strStreet + " ")
  If Not Nz(strLine) & "!" = "!" Then
    strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strLine
  End If

  ' get 3rd line of address or do nothing - not even a blank line
  strDistrict = Trim(Nz(DLookup("District", "mcmGeoDistricts", "DistrictID="
& lngFKDistrictID), Null))
  strAddrShort = strAddrShort & strDistrict & vbCrLf
  strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & (strDistrict + ", ")
  If Not Nz(strDistrict) & "!" = "!" Then
    strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strDistrict
  End If

  ' get 4th line of address or do nothing - not even a blank line
  strTown = Trim(UCase$(Nz(DLookup("Town", "mcmGeoTowns", "TownID=" &
Nz(lngFKTownID, 0)), " ")))
  strAddrShort = strAddrShort & (strTown + ", ")
  strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & (strTown + ", ")
  If Not Nz(strTown) & "!" = "!" Then
    strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strTown
  End If


  ' get 5th line of address or do nothing - not even a blank line

  If lngFKCountyID = 65 And Left(strTown, 6) = "Dublin" Then
    ' Skip if County Dublin and Dublin is in the town
  Else
    strCounty = Trim(Nz(DLookup("County", "mcmGeoCountys", "CountyID=" &
Nz(lngFKCountyID, 0)), Null))
    strDefaultPostCode = Trim(Nz(DLookup("FKPostalAreaID", "mcmGeoCountys",
"CountyID=" & Nz(lngFKCountyID, 0)), ""))
    If Trim(Nz(strTown, "")) <> Trim(Nz(strCounty, "")) Then
      strAddrShort = strAddrShort & (strCounty + ", ")
      strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & (strCounty + ", ")
      If Not Nz(strCounty) & "!" = "!" Then
        strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strCounty
      End If
    End If
  End If

  ' See if we can get a default postcode in there if not one held from the
[mcmGeoCountys] Tabls
  If Nz(rst!FKPostalAreaID, 0) = 0 And Len(Trim(strDefaultPostCode)) > 0
Then
    lngFKPostalAreaID = DLookup("PostalAreaID", "mcmGeoPostalAreas",
"PostalArea='" & strDefaultPostCode & "'")
    If lngFKPostalAreaID = 0 Then
      lngFKPostalAreaID = 153  ' ZZ uknown
    End If
    If Not rst!FKPostalAreaID = lngFKPostalAreaID Or
IsNull(rst!FKPostalAreaID) Then
      rst!FKPostalAreaID = lngFKPostalAreaID
    End If
  End If

  ' get 6th line of address or do nothing - not even a blank line
  strPostalArea = Nz(DLookup("Postalarea", "mcmGeoPostalAreas",
"PostalAreaID=" & Nz(lngFKPostalAreaID, 0)), "")
  strLine = Trim(((strPostalArea + "") & (strPostalDistrict + " ") & (strIn
+ " ")))
  If InStr("ZZ/OV/IE/IS/IN", Left(strLine, 2)) > 0 Then
    ' ignore ireland and overseas and unknown
  Else
    'MsgBox lngFKPostalAreaID & vbCrLf & strPostalDistrict & vbCrLf &
strLine
    strAddrShort = strAddrShort & (strLine + ", ")
    strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & (strLine + ", ")
    If Not Nz(strLine) & "!" = "!" Then
      strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strLine
    End If
  End If

  strCountry = Nz(DLookup("Country", "mcmGeoCountrys", "CountryID=" &
Nz(lngFKCountryID, 0)), Null)
  If Not InStr("England/Scotland/Wales", strCountry) > 0 Then
    strAddrShort = strAddrShort & strCountry
    strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & strCountry
    If Not Nz(strCountry) & "!" = "!" Then
      strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strCountry
    End If
  Else
    strAddrSingle = Trim(strAddrSingle)
    If Right(strAddrSingle, 1) = "," Then strAddrSingle =
Left(strAddrSingle, Len(strAddrSingle) - 1)
    strAddrShort = Trim(strAddrShort)
    If Right(strAddrShort, 1) = "," Then strAddrShort = Left(strAddrShort,
Len(strAddrShort) - 1)
  End If

  pfFormatPersonAddress = strAddrFull

exithere:
  Set dbs = Nothing: Set rst = Nothing
  Exit Function
errhandler:
  Select Case Err.Number
  Case Else
    MsgBox "Address Error: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description
  End Select
  Resume exithere

End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?

It seems that this should be easy, but I'm not getting it.  I have a table
of registered voters with their physical addresses and mailing addresses if
other than the physical address.  The physical address fields were laid out
according to excellent rules, separated into house numbers, directional
prefix, roadway name, roadway type, directional suffix, and residential
extension.  But, the mailing address fields were just MailAddr1, MailAddr2,
MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and MailAddr5 text fields, with no consistent data
entry rules - so there were PO Box numbers in MailAddr1 or MailAddr2, alone
or in combination with city name, state name, and sometimes zip code.  In
order to use the data for mailing, I spent yesterday cleaning up the mailing
address fields so that a "full" street address if any is in MailAddr1, PO
Boxes are in MailAddr2, City, State, and Zip are in MailAddr3, MailAddr4,
and
MailAddr5 respectively.

Now, I am trying to generate a report with these addresses.  In some cases
there are both a street address and a PO Box number, such as 2651 Gunny's
Way NE, PO Box 1534.  But, I don't want a blank line appearing for blank
street addresses or PO Box addresses, so I'm trying to put them together in
an expression. What I want to do is insert a carriage return character after
the street address to put the PO Box on its own print line. 

I have this expression so far:
=Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1]&" ","")&[MailAddr2]) which
strings them out nicely, with a space between them.  Instead of the " " I
want to have ASCII 13 or the Access vba equivalent.  I have tried vbCrLf,
but Access sticks square brackets around it and demands a value for it as a
parameter.  (I've tried a bunch of other stuff, too, but just in case this
turns out to be way easy, I am not going to spill the beans about my many
failed efforts.)

How do I do this?

TIA
Tina
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 14:25:50 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:25:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>
	<003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>

Hi Susan,
It's in a textbox control on a report.  Does that have the same 
constraints as a query?
Thanks for thinking about it for me.
Tina

Susan Harkins wrote:
>> When I write:
>> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& 
>> [MailAddr2])
>> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.
>>     
>
> =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb constants 
> in a query expression.
>
> Susan H. 
>
>   


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 15:18:08 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:18:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com><003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c81e56$a938c5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Someone smarter than me will need to verify this, but I don't think you can 
use vb constants outside of a module.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
> It's in a textbox control on a report.  Does that have the same
> constraints as a query?
> Thanks for thinking about it for me.
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>>> When I write:
>>> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")&
>>> [MailAddr2])
>>> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.
>>>
>>
>> =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb 
>> constants
>> in a query expression.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  3 16:21:31 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:21:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <007a01c81e56$a938c5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com><003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne><472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
	<007a01c81e56$a938c5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c81e5f$827ac730$647aa8c0@M90>

You can, but they need to be declared public. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?

Someone smarter than me will need to verify this, but I don't think you can
use vb constants outside of a module.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
> It's in a textbox control on a report.  Does that have the same 
> constraints as a query?
> Thanks for thinking about it for me.
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>>> When I write:
>>> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")&
>>> [MailAddr2])
>>> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.
>>>
>>
>> =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb 
>> constants in a query expression.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 16:49:05 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:49:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com><003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne><472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com><007a01c81e56$a938c5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000001c81e5f$827ac730$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <017801c81e63$5d4ea590$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OH! Now that's interesting -- so if you declare a vb constant as a Public 
constant in a module, you can then use them in expression outside the 
module? If that's what you're saying, that's slick. I wouldn't have thought 
of it at all.

Susan H.


> You can, but they need to be declared public.
>
> Someone smarter than me will need to verify this, but I don't think you 
> can
> use vb constants outside of a module.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov  3 17:08:11 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:08:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
 it could not be understood...
In-Reply-To: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <E2ED142AB8954376B98BE381B1FE5692@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It is a horrific event...definitely OT but of such a stature that it should
have precedence. 

We on the North West Coast, outside the continental US, live such sheltered
lives. Even though it happened many years ago, we all watched it on the news
with an air of shock and disbelief.

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:56 PM
To: 'Access-D'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not be
understood...


Hi All,

This post is a way off-topic and it's not easy weekend reading but I dare to
post it here because it's related to the people of many nations and I expect
this my post will be let through by moderators who allowed to have here a
rather heated discussion about fires in California...

No, I do not expect a heated discussion of this OT thread here. Just read
it.

This post has excerpts from an article published on 31-OCT-2007 here:

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=820588 

Here is its automated translation:
 
http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommer
sant.ru%2Fdoc.aspx%3FDocsID%3D820588&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp
2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=44&psubmit2.y=6

Below are the excerpts, which I tried to make more readable than referred
above automated translation. My short comments are in brackets marked with
(SS: ...). As you can find this article is far from being "an apologetics to
the nowadays Russian Authorities"...

I'm sorry that is all I can do now. Read on till the end and then you should
get what a lot of people feel and think here. Thank you.
 
<<<<
If he would have not arrived today, it could not be understood...
=================================================================

...Yesterday, in Day of Memory of Victims of Political Reprisals, the
president of Russia Vladimir Putin has arrived to Butovo where are buried
more than 20 thousand of people shot to death in 1937-1938....

...Here are buried more than 20 thousands of persons, - speaks diakon
Dmitrij, and these are only about whom we precisely know. More than three
hundreds of them are canonized, these are those from approximately thousand
who passed on church affairs: not only clerics, but also church heads, and
simply active laymen. First Russian pilot Danilevsky, troupe of one Baltic
theatre with its full complement lays here... People of sixty nationalities
are buried here: Greeks, Japanese, Germans... even an Epiopian... 

...You go on a sanded pathway, and you realize, that what you now feel is
"the ground burning under foots". To not touch it, to not tramble it down
that is all what is required from you now. Because you never ever walk over
the tombs before. Leaves rustle under foots, as pieces of polyfoam in hands.
And you feel "frost on your skin"...

... - For us it is a real tragedy, - he (SS:Mr. Putin) has continued  - the
scale of this tragedy is enormous - millions of persons were banished,  have
been shot to death. And that were first of all people with their own opinion
who were not afraid to openly express this their opinion... The most
effective people, color of the nation were destroyed.... 

...I (SS:this artcle author continues), maybe, first time have seen the
confused president. 

- That's a complete crazyness (SS: umopomrachenie <- RUS), - has murmured
the president. - it seems, that it is impossible to do that.  For what?!
(SS: for what all that people were executed to death?)...

...Father Cyril, the grandson of one of shot on this field, has made a
helpless gesture and has added, that here the executors have shot the boy of
twelve years. It was authorized to shoot only from fifteen, and they have
attributed in the documents three superfluous years to the boy (to be
"authorized" to kill him "legally"). They have also shot the seventy years
old grandmother, and it is not clear for what reason she was shot do
death.... 

... - But memory is necessary to us not in itself, - spoke president. - but
to determine the ways for development of the country... Political disputes,
fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is necessary, that this
process would have not been destructive - it should be creative

Now it should become clearer, why "United Russia" (SS: the most powerful
political party here leaded by Mr.Putin for this year's December Russian
Parliament Elections) will not participate in pre-election debate. These
debate, probably, risk to become destructive for them (SS: for "United
Russia" party).... 

>>>>


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  3 17:49:27 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:49:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>
	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>	<003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W27BD8555651235381A0A3AD28E0@phx.gbl>


That being the case...why not set the textbox height to 0 and the property 'CanGrow' to true...and this should give you the desired effect.  I use this all of the time for addresses on postcards and letters.  If the PO box doesn't exist...the line won't appear on the report .
 
Let me know if you have questions.  I can even send a sample offline come Monday if need be.
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:25:50 -0400> From: tinanfields at torchlake.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?> > Hi Susan,> It's in a textbox control on a report. Does that have the same > constraints as a query?> Thanks for thinking about it for me.> Tina> > Susan Harkins wrote:> >> When I write:> >> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& > >> [MailAddr2])> >> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.> >> > >> > =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb constants > > in a query expression.> >> > Susan H. > >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Nov  3 17:57:22 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:57:22 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov  3 18:29:56 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:29:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Brute Force?

Function GetHigh as Variant

GetHigh = var1
If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2 
If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4 

End Function 

I'm sure there's a more elegant way...

Rocky


 	
	

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Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Nov  3 18:35:43 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:35:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will go 
with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't 
remember?)

Ta
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From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Brute Force?
>
> Function GetHigh as Variant
>
> GetHigh = var1
> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>
> End Function
>
> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
> To: Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Nov  3 18:59:00 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 02:59:00 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
In-Reply-To: <006701c81e22$32b3e1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000701c81e75$81731930$6401a8c0@nant>

<<<
"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?
>>>
Hi Rocky and William,

I'd think that this is rather clear statement that opposing views are not
welcomed by nowadays Russian Authorities...

In four months it will become clearer what this "coded way of saying"
means...

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not
be understood...

Shamil:

"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?

Is he trying to engineer a way to stay in power as a strong ruler if not
dictator and undo or move away from the democratic reforms?

Rocky

<<< tail skipped for brevity  >>>



From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 18:57:48 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:57:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Remember this? (Just kidding, but it is from NeatCode.mdb)

Sub ShellSortArray(A() As Variant)
Dim i As Long, j As Long
Dim Low As Long, Hi As Long
Dim PushPop As Variant
   Low = LBound(A)
   Hi = UBound(A)
   j = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
   Do While j > 0
     For i = Low To Hi - j
      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
         PushPop = A(i)
         A(i) = A(i + j)
         A(i + j) = PushPop
      End If
     Next i
     For i = Hi - j To Low Step -1
      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
         PushPop = A(i)
         A(i) = A(i + j)
         A(i + j) = PushPop
      End If
     Next i
     j = j \ 2
   Loop
End Sub

Function TestShellSortArray()
    Dim vA() As Variant
    Dim i As Long
    vA = Array(64, 16, 8, 32, 40, 48, 24, 56)
    ShellSortArray vA()
    For i = LBound(vA()) To UBound(vA())
        Debug.Print vA(i)
    Next
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will 
> go
> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
> remember?)
>
> Ta
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> Brute Force?
>>
>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>
>> GetHigh = var1
>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> To: Access D Normal List
>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>
>>
>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>
>> ta
>> ______________________________________
>> Kath Pelletti
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov  3 19:10:46 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:10:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
In-Reply-To: <000701c81e75$81731930$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <006701c81e22$32b3e1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000701c81e75$81731930$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <008801c81e77$25e78310$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

What happens in four months?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not
be understood...

<<<
"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?
>>>
Hi Rocky and William,

I'd think that this is rather clear statement that opposing views are not
welcomed by nowadays Russian Authorities...

In four months it will become clearer what this "coded way of saying"
means...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not
be understood...

Shamil:

"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?

Is he trying to engineer a way to stay in power as a strong ruler if not
dictator and undo or move away from the democratic reforms?

Rocky

<<< tail skipped for brevity  >>>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov  3 19:12:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:12:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <008901c81e77$69931ed0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will go
with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
remember?)

Ta
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Brute Force?
>
> Function GetHigh as Variant
>
> GetHigh = var1
> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>
> End Function
>
> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
> To: Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Nov  3 19:13:52 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:13:52 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <001701c81e77$95302100$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

good one michael - how could i have forgotten ??? :)

i'll play with that and see if I can just get the highest rather than all 
values sort low-high.

thanks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Remember this? (Just kidding, but it is from NeatCode.mdb)
>
> Sub ShellSortArray(A() As Variant)
> Dim i As Long, j As Long
> Dim Low As Long, Hi As Long
> Dim PushPop As Variant
>   Low = LBound(A)
>   Hi = UBound(A)
>   j = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
>   Do While j > 0
>     For i = Low To Hi - j
>      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
>         PushPop = A(i)
>         A(i) = A(i + j)
>         A(i + j) = PushPop
>      End If
>     Next i
>     For i = Hi - j To Low Step -1
>      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
>         PushPop = A(i)
>         A(i) = A(i + j)
>         A(i + j) = PushPop
>      End If
>     Next i
>     j = j \ 2
>   Loop
> End Sub
>
> Function TestShellSortArray()
>    Dim vA() As Variant
>    Dim i As Long
>    vA = Array(64, 16, 8, 32, 40, 48, 24, 56)
>    ShellSortArray vA()
>    For i = LBound(vA()) To UBound(vA())
>        Debug.Print vA(i)
>    Next
> End Function
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will
>> go
>> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
>> remember?)
>>
>> Ta
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>>> Brute Force?
>>>
>>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>>
>>> GetHigh = var1
>>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>>
>>> End Function
>>>
>>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>>> To: Access D Normal List
>>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>>
>>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get 
>>> the
>>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>>
>>>
>>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>>
>>> ta
>>> ______________________________________
>>> Kath Pelletti
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Nov  3 19:14:58 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:14:58 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008901c81e77$69931ed0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002101c81e77$bcdcd630$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

I would have thought so?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will 
> go
> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
> remember?)
>
> Ta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> Brute Force?
>>
>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>
>> GetHigh = var1
>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> To: Access D Normal List
>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>
>>
>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>
>> ta
>> ______________________________________
>> Kath Pelletti
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 19:23:20 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:23:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<001701c81e77$95302100$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <005c01c81e78$e84146c0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Kathy,

Min and Max are LBound and the UBound.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> good one michael - how could i have forgotten ??? :)
>
> i'll play with that and see if I can just get the highest rather than all
> values sort low-high.
>
> thanks 



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 19:51:40 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:51:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W27BD8555651235381A0A3AD28E0@phx.gbl>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>	<003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
	<BAY127-W27BD8555651235381A0A3AD28E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <472D179C.2020304@torchlake.com>

Mark,
Now that's slick!  Thanks for the tip.
Tina

Mark A Matte wrote:
> That being the case...why not set the textbox height to 0 and the property 'CanGrow' to true...and this should give you the desired effect.  I use this all of the time for addresses on postcards and letters.  If the PO box doesn't exist...the line won't appear on the report .
>  
> Let me know if you have questions.  I can even send a sample offline come Monday if need be.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Mark A. Matte> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:25:50 -0400> From: tinanfields at torchlake.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?> > Hi Susan,> It's in a textbox control on a report. Does that have the same > constraints as a query?> Thanks for thinking about it for me.> Tina> > Susan Harkins wrote:> >> When I write:> >> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& > >> [MailAddr2])> >> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.> >> > >> > =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb constants > > in a query expression.> >> > Susan H. > >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 02:04:30 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:04:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <002101c81e77$bcdcd630$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>

If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of

Function Max(var1, var2)

If var1>var2 then
  Max=var1
Else
  Max=var2
End if
End Function

then you can just

Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kath Pelletti
> Sent: 04 November 2007 00:15
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> 
> I would have thought so?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> 
> > Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
> > Pelletti
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> >
> > That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another 
> solution I 
> > will
> > go
> > with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we 
> both can't
> > remember?)
> >
> > Ta
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" 
> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> >
> >
> >> Brute Force?
> >>
> >> Function GetHigh as Variant
> >>
> >> GetHigh = var1
> >> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
> >> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
> >> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
> >>
> >> End Function
> >>
> >> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
> >>
> >> Rocky
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
> >> Pelletti
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
> >> To: Access D Normal List
> >> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> >>
> >> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I 
> use to get 
> >> the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
> >>
> >>
> >> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, 
> >> var4)
> >>
> >> ta
> >> ______________________________________
> >> Kath Pelletti
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From spike at tenbus.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 02:27:06 2007
From: spike at tenbus.co.uk (Webadmin - Tenbus)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:27:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <472D825A.2090400@tenbus.co.uk>

That's neat Andy!

One to file away.

Regards
Chris Foote

Andy Lacey wrote:
> If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of
>
> Function Max(var1, var2)
>
> If var1>var2 then
>   Max=var1
> Else
>   Max=var2
> End if
> End Function
>
> then you can just
>
> Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 




From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 02:39:37 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:39:37 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000901c81f87$6713dc60$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

thx andy

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of
>
> Function Max(var1, var2)
>
> If var1>var2 then
>  Max=var1
> Else
>  Max=var2
> End if
> End Function
>
> then you can just
>
> Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: 04 November 2007 00:15
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> I would have thought so?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> > Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
>> >
>> > Rocky
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> > Pelletti
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> > That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another
>> solution I
>> > will
>> > go
>> > with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we
>> both can't
>> > remember?)
>> >
>> > Ta
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software"
>> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> >
>> >> Brute Force?
>> >>
>> >> Function GetHigh as Variant
>> >>
>> >> GetHigh = var1
>> >> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> >> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> >> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>> >>
>> >> End Function
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>> >>
>> >> Rocky
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> >> Pelletti
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> >> To: Access D Normal List
>> >> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >>
>> >> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I
>> use to get
>> >> the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3,
>> >> var4)
>> >>
>> >> ta
>> >> ______________________________________
>> >> Kath Pelletti
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.19/1106 - Release Date:
>> >> 11/2/2007 9:46 PM
>> >>
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Sun Nov  4 05:56:45 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:26:45 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <006b01c81ed9$d2a69c50$7357a27a@personalec1122>

    That is cute Andy!  My compliments for such elegant solution.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 13:34
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


  If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of

  Function Max(var1, var2)

  If var1>var2 then
    Max=var1
  Else
    Max=var2
  End if
  End Function

  then you can just

  Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)

  -- Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Nov  4 06:20:41 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:20:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000c01c81edd$1e646200$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...pop! ...into ye olde code bin :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of
>
> Function Max(var1, var2)
>
> If var1>var2 then
>  Max=var1
> Else
>  Max=var2
> End if
> End Function
>
> then you can just
>
> Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: 04 November 2007 00:15
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> I would have thought so?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> > Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
>> >
>> > Rocky
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> > Pelletti
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> > That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another
>> solution I
>> > will
>> > go
>> > with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we
>> both can't
>> > remember?)
>> >
>> > Ta
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software"
>> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> >
>> >> Brute Force?
>> >>
>> >> Function GetHigh as Variant
>> >>
>> >> GetHigh = var1
>> >> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> >> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> >> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>> >>
>> >> End Function
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>> >>
>> >> Rocky
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> >> Pelletti
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> >> To: Access D Normal List
>> >> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >>
>> >> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I
>> use to get
>> >> the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3,
>> >> var4)
>> >>
>> >> ta
>> >> ______________________________________
>> >> Kath Pelletti
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.19/1106 - Release Date:
>> >> 11/2/2007 9:46 PM
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >
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>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 06:31:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:31:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>

Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of variables into an
array of variables.

'.Comments  :
'.Parameters:
'.Sets      :
'.Returns   :
'.Created by: Colby Consulting
'.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant)
On Error GoTo Err_MaxOfVars
Dim lvarVal As Variant
Dim lvarMax As Variant
    lvarMax = varValues(0)
    For Each lvarVal In varValues
        If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
            lvarMax = lvarVal
        End If
    Next lvarVal
    MaxOfVars = lvarMax
Exit_MaxOfVars:
Exit Function
Err_MaxOfVars:
    Select Case Err
    Case 9	'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
currently return a null
	  MaxOfVars = null
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    Case Else
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function Module1.MaxOfVars"
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    End Select
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
Then you can simply:

1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
2) Iterate through the array
3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in the array
6) Return lvarMax

7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a value of 9 and
return a null

Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back the max value
regardless of the number passed in.

BTW, the function is tested and works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
To: Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 06:32:39 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000c01c81edd$1e646200$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
	<000c01c81edd$1e646200$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000401c81ede$c9e61050$647aa8c0@M90>

Yes, but now you have to do that N times.  I have a better solution coming. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

...pop! ...into ye olde code bin :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of
>
> Function Max(var1, var2)
>
> If var1>var2 then
>  Max=var1
> Else
>  Max=var2
> End if
> End Function
>
> then you can just
>
> Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: 04 November 2007 00:15
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> I would have thought so?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> > Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
>> >
>> > Rocky
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> > Pelletti
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> > That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another
>> solution I
>> > will
>> > go
>> > with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we
>> both can't
>> > remember?)
>> >
>> > Ta
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software"
>> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> >
>> >> Brute Force?
>> >>
>> >> Function GetHigh as Variant
>> >>
>> >> GetHigh = var1
>> >> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> >> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> >> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>> >>
>> >> End Function
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>> >>
>> >> Rocky
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> >> Pelletti
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> >> To: Access D Normal List
>> >> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >>
>> >> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I
>> use to get
>> >> the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3,
>> >> var4)
>> >>
>> >> ta
>> >> ______________________________________
>> >> Kath Pelletti
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.19/1106 - Release Date:
>> >> 11/2/2007 9:46 PM
>> >>
>> >>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 06:37:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:37:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000501c81edf$7f415ef0$647aa8c0@M90>

BTW. to test this simply go to the debug window and enter:

?MaxOfVars(4,2,5,4,8,4,9,0)

and hit enter.  

Place a breakpoint at lvarmax=varvalues(0) and then step if you want to
watch it run.

Next do 

?MaxOfVars(5,2,6,7,4)

Next do 

?MaxOfVars()



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of variables into an
array of variables.

'.Comments  :
'.Parameters:
'.Sets      :
'.Returns   :
'.Created by: Colby Consulting
'.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant) On Error GoTo
Err_MaxOfVars Dim lvarVal As Variant Dim lvarMax As Variant
    lvarMax = varValues(0)
    For Each lvarVal In varValues
        If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
            lvarMax = lvarVal
        End If
    Next lvarVal
    MaxOfVars = lvarMax
Exit_MaxOfVars:
Exit Function
Err_MaxOfVars:
    Select Case Err
    Case 9	'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
currently return a null
	  MaxOfVars = null
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    Case Else
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function Module1.MaxOfVars"
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    End Select
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
Then you can simply:

1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
2) Iterate through the array
3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in the array
6) Return lvarMax

7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a value of 9 and
return a null

Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back the max value
regardless of the number passed in.

BTW, the function is tested and works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
To: Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 06:40:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:40:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000601c81edf$d93af880$647aa8c0@M90>

For some reason the On Error and DIM statements got yanked up on the same
line as the function.  Just move them back down into their own line.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of variables into an
array of variables.

'.Comments  :
'.Parameters:
'.Sets      :
'.Returns   :
'.Created by: Colby Consulting
'.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant) On Error GoTo
Err_MaxOfVars Dim lvarVal As Variant Dim lvarMax As Variant
    lvarMax = varValues(0)
    For Each lvarVal In varValues
        If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
            lvarMax = lvarVal
        End If
    Next lvarVal
    MaxOfVars = lvarMax
Exit_MaxOfVars:
Exit Function
Err_MaxOfVars:
    Select Case Err
    Case 9	'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
currently return a null
	  MaxOfVars = null
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    Case Else
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function Module1.MaxOfVars"
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    End Select
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
Then you can simply:

1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
2) Iterate through the array
3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in the array
6) Return lvarMax

7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a value of 9 and
return a null

Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back the max value
regardless of the number passed in.

BTW, the function is tested and works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
To: Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov  4 07:17:30 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 05:17:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
Message-ID: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad, particularly
Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rocky
 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov  4 10:19:01 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:19:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002c01c81efe$69bc3e50$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Another question about the Windows Installer - I vaguely remember there
being some problem with it that you didn't have with a commercial installer
like Wise.  But I can't remember.   Does anyone recall this?

MTIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad, particularly
Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rocky
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 11:53:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:53:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <000701c81f0b$96988b60$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL, the least you could have done is dig up the quicksort. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Remember this? (Just kidding, but it is from NeatCode.mdb)

Sub ShellSortArray(A() As Variant)
Dim i As Long, j As Long
Dim Low As Long, Hi As Long
Dim PushPop As Variant
   Low = LBound(A)
   Hi = UBound(A)
   j = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
   Do While j > 0
     For i = Low To Hi - j
      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
         PushPop = A(i)
         A(i) = A(i + j)
         A(i + j) = PushPop
      End If
     Next i
     For i = Hi - j To Low Step -1
      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
         PushPop = A(i)
         A(i) = A(i + j)
         A(i + j) = PushPop
      End If
     Next i
     j = j \ 2
   Loop
End Sub

Function TestShellSortArray()
    Dim vA() As Variant
    Dim i As Long
    vA = Array(64, 16, 8, 32, 40, 48, 24, 56)
    ShellSortArray vA()
    For i = LBound(vA()) To UBound(vA())
        Debug.Print vA(i)
    Next
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will 
> go
> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
> remember?)
>
> Ta
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> Brute Force?
>>
>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>
>> GetHigh = var1
>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> To: Access D Normal List
>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>
>>
>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>
>> ta
>> ______________________________________
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 15:40:05 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:40:05 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001901c81ff4$6edf0510$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

that's great John - thanks.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of variables into 
> an
> array of variables.
>
> '.Comments  :
> '.Parameters:
> '.Sets      :
> '.Returns   :
> '.Created by: Colby Consulting
> '.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
> Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant)
> On Error GoTo Err_MaxOfVars
> Dim lvarVal As Variant
> Dim lvarMax As Variant
>    lvarMax = varValues(0)
>    For Each lvarVal In varValues
>        If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
>            lvarMax = lvarVal
>        End If
>    Next lvarVal
>    MaxOfVars = lvarMax
> Exit_MaxOfVars:
> Exit Function
> Err_MaxOfVars:
>    Select Case Err
>    Case 9 'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
> currently return a null
>   MaxOfVars = null
>        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
>    Case Else
>        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function Module1.MaxOfVars"
>        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
>    End Select
>    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
> End Function
> Then you can simply:
>
> 1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
> 2) Iterate through the array
> 3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
> 4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
> 5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in the array
> 6) Return lvarMax
>
> 7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a value of 9 and
> return a null
>
> Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back the max value
> regardless of the number passed in.
>
> BTW, the function is tested and works.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
> To: Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 16:38:09 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:38:09 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] move report control 2007
Message-ID: <000601c81ffc$8b94bee0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

...going mad here and don't seem to be able to find this in 'help' 2007 or anywhere else....

How do I move a bound control (in report design) independently of its label? (Where has the 'finger' gone?) I have also tried to cut and paste the label and put it back (used to work in 2003 - they became separate items) but this doesn't work in 2007?

tia

Kath
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.035@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.040@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.042@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.038@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.037@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.036@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.041@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.039@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.045@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.043@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.044@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:54:17 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:54:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5bc4.046@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

I'm with JC. This is an excellent example to demonstrate the power of ParamArray. Here's an example specific for dates that I have used:

Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date

' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
' array avarDates().
' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
'
' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Return value for an empty array.
  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
  
  Dim varDate     As Variant
  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
    
  For Each varDate In avarDates()
    If IsDate(varDate) Then
      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
        varDate = CDate(varDate)
      End If
      If varDate > varDateMax Then
        varDateMax = varDate
      End If
    End If
  Next
  
  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
  End If
  
  DateMax = varDateMax
  
End Function

/gustav


>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:56:08 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:56:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 17:05:46 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:05:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>
References: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c81f37$3c4e5cd0$647aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.  Now I've heard everything. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 17:13:10 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:13:10 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <s72e5bc4.046@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003201c82001$6f5337c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

thanks Gustav - I have never really mastered arrays in vba (used to use them 
a lot in Cobol, RPG - but many moons ago).

So thanks to you and John for the examples.

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Hi Kath
>
> I'm with JC. This is an excellent example to demonstrate the power of 
> ParamArray. Here's an example specific for dates that I have used:
>
> Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date
>
> ' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
> ' array avarDates().
> ' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
> ' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
> '
> ' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>
>  ' Return value for an empty array.
>  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
>
>  Dim varDate     As Variant
>  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
>
>  For Each varDate In avarDates()
>    If IsDate(varDate) Then
>      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
>        varDate = CDate(varDate)
>      End If
>      If varDate > varDateMax Then
>        varDateMax = varDate
>      End If
>    End If
>  Next
>
>  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
>    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
>  End If
>
>  DateMax = varDateMax
>
> End Function
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the 
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
>
>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sun Nov  4 17:16:40 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:16:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<000701c81f0b$96988b60$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <008b01c81f38$cab24710$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Oh, Sorry.

Sub QuickSort(A() As Integer, ByVal Low As Integer, ByVal Hi As Integer)
'
' Very fast sort: n Log n comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   QuickSort A(), 1, 20
'
Dim MidValue As Integer, i As Integer, j As Integer, Temp As Integer
  If Hi <= Low Then Exit Sub
  MidValue = A((Low + Hi) \ 2)
  i = Low
  j = Hi
  Do While i <= j
    If A(i) >= MidValue And A(j) <= MidValue Then
      Temp = A(i)
      A(i) = A(j)
      A(j) = Temp
      i = i + 1
      j = j - 1
    Else
      If A(i) < MidValue Then i = i + 1
      If A(j) > MidValue Then j = j - 1
    End If
  Loop
  QuickSort A(), Low, j
  QuickSort A(), i, Hi
End Sub

Function TestQuickSort()
   ReDim A(1 To 8) As Integer
   A(1) = 64: A(2) = 16: A(3) = 8: A(4) = 32: A(5) = 40: A(6) = 48: A(7) = 
24: A(8) = 56
   QuickSort A(), 1, 8
   Debug.Print "Min: " & A(1) & " and Max:" & A(8)
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> LOL, the least you could have done is dig up the quicksort.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R 
> Mattys
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> Remember this? (Just kidding, but it is from NeatCode.mdb)
>
> Sub ShellSortArray(A() As Variant)
> Dim i As Long, j As Long
> Dim Low As Long, Hi As Long
> Dim PushPop As Variant
>   Low = LBound(A)
>   Hi = UBound(A)
>   j = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
>   Do While j > 0
>     For i = Low To Hi - j
>      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
>         PushPop = A(i)
>         A(i) = A(i + j)
>         A(i + j) = PushPop
>      End If
>     Next i
>     For i = Hi - j To Low Step -1
>      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
>         PushPop = A(i)
>         A(i) = A(i + j)
>         A(i + j) = PushPop
>      End If
>     Next i
>     j = j \ 2
>   Loop
> End Sub
>
> Function TestShellSortArray()
>    Dim vA() As Variant
>    Dim i As Long
>    vA = Array(64, 16, 8, 32, 40, 48, 24, 56)
>    ShellSortArray vA()
>    For i = LBound(vA()) To UBound(vA())
>        Debug.Print vA(i)
>    Next
> End Function
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will
>> go
>> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
>> remember?)
>>
>> Ta
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>>> Brute Force?
>>>
>>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>>
>>> GetHigh = var1
>>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>>
>>> End Function
>>>
>>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>>> To: Access D Normal List
>>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>>
>>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get 
>>> the
>>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>>
>>>
>>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>>
>>> ta
>>> ______________________________________
>>> Kath Pelletti
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 18:22:15 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:22:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] move report control 2007
References: <000601c81ffc$8b94bee0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <007801c81f41$f2c52200$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

You don't need the finger anymore, they move independently of one another 
without it.

Susan H.

> How do I move a bound control (in report design) independently of its 
> label? (Where has the 'finger' gone?) I have also tried to cut and paste 
> the label and put it back (used to work in 2003 - they became separate 
> items) but this doesn't work in 2007?



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 18:38:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:38:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <003201c82001$6f5337c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <s72e5bc4.046@cactus.dk> <003201c82001$6f5337c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <001001c81f44$427f3810$647aa8c0@M90>

The nice thing about the param array in this case is that you can pass in as
many values as you wish to the function.  In addition you can use the for
next iterator to step through the array.  Those two concepts allow a very
quick and easy solution to this kind of problem, and additionally create a
generic solution that fits not only your specific need but any set of
numbers. 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

thanks Gustav - I have never really mastered arrays in vba (used to use them
a lot in Cobol, RPG - but many moons ago).

So thanks to you and John for the examples.

Kath
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Hi Kath
>
> I'm with JC. This is an excellent example to demonstrate the power of 
> ParamArray. Here's an example specific for dates that I have used:
>
> Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date
>
> ' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
> ' array avarDates().
> ' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
> ' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
> '
> ' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>
>  ' Return value for an empty array.
>  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
>
>  Dim varDate     As Variant
>  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
>
>  For Each varDate In avarDates()
>    If IsDate(varDate) Then
>      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
>        varDate = CDate(varDate)
>      End If
>      If varDate > varDateMax Then
>        varDateMax = varDate
>      End If
>    End If
>  Next
>
>  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
>    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
>  End If
>
>  DateMax = varDateMax
>
> End Function
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the 
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
>
>
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 18:39:51 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:39:51 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] move report control 2007
References: <000601c81ffc$8b94bee0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<007801c81f41$f2c52200$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000501c8200d$8b8c71c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

I'm not finding that? When I move the bound control the attached label moves 
and vice versa......I know there is a new thing called control layout but I 
am definitely in design view.

For now I had to delete the labels completely and add new labels using 
toolbox, then copy/paste for more. Then they are unattached.
There must be an easier way....unforunately I'm working to a (late) 
deadline....this'll do for now.

thx
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] move report control 2007


> You don't need the finger anymore, they move independently of one another
> without it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>> How do I move a bound control (in report design) independently of its
>> label? (Where has the 'finger' gone?) I have also tried to cut and paste
>> the label and put it back (used to work in 2003 - they became separate
>> items) but this doesn't work in 2007?
>
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 18:45:25 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:45:25 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <s72e5bc4.046@cactus.dk> <003201c82001$6f5337c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<001001c81f44$427f3810$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000b01c8200e$525e1e70$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

exactly - the unlimited aspect is perfect..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> The nice thing about the param array in this case is that you can pass in 
> as
> many values as you wish to the function.  In addition you can use the for
> next iterator to step through the array.  Those two concepts allow a very
> quick and easy solution to this kind of problem, and additionally create a
> generic solution that fits not only your specific need but any set of
> numbers.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:13 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> thanks Gustav - I have never really mastered arrays in vba (used to use 
> them
> a lot in Cobol, RPG - but many moons ago).
>
> So thanks to you and John for the examples.
>
> Kath
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> Hi Kath
>>
>> I'm with JC. This is an excellent example to demonstrate the power of
>> ParamArray. Here's an example specific for dates that I have used:
>>
>> Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date
>>
>> ' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
>> ' array avarDates().
>> ' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
>> ' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
>> '
>> ' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>>
>>  ' Return value for an empty array.
>>  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
>>
>>  Dim varDate     As Variant
>>  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
>>
>>  For Each varDate In avarDates()
>>    If IsDate(varDate) Then
>>      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
>>        varDate = CDate(varDate)
>>      End If
>>      If varDate > varDateMax Then
>>        varDateMax = varDate
>>      End If
>>    End If
>>  Next
>>
>>  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
>>    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
>>  End If
>>
>>  DateMax = varDateMax
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>
>>
>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>
>> ta
>> ______________________________________
>> Kath Pelletti
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 18:52:07 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:52:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] move report control 2007
References: <000601c81ffc$8b94bee0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><007801c81f41$f2c52200$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000501c8200d$8b8c71c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <00b901c81f46$1cb98070$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Sorry about that -- I was thinking about form controls. I checked out 
reports. If the label and control are in the same section, you can easily 
delete one or the other. If they're in different sections, they seem glued 
together with that arrangement deal.

Susan H.


> I'm not finding that? When I move the bound control the attached label 
> moves
> and vice versa......I know there is a new thing called control layout but 
> I
> am definitely in design view.
>
> For now I had to delete the labels completely and add new labels using
> toolbox, then copy/paste for more. Then they are unattached.
> There must be an easier way....unforunately I'm working to a (late)
> deadline....this'll do for now.
>
> thx
> Kath
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] move report control 2007
>
>
>> You don't need the finger anymore, they move independently of one another
>> without it.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>> How do I move a bound control (in report design) independently of its
>>> label? (Where has the 'finger' gone?) I have also tried to cut and paste
>>> the label and put it back (used to work in 2003 - they became separate
>>> items) but this doesn't work in 2007?
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 21:43:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:43:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
Message-ID: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sun Nov  4 22:06:57 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:06:57 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi John

There would be a few ways to do this - Maybe explore the Windows Scheduler

Another way - A simple one - Would be to do this in access (so you can control
everything) using a Microsoft Web Browser control on a form

Drop a Microsoft Web Control onto a form and feed it the URL you desire - even
the 'clicked' url at Speedtest.net can be fed to it

EG assume you called the dropped control "BrowserControl"

Pass it the parameter of the URL - Me.BrowserControl.Navigate "http://
Speedtest.net"

Then you could have it sit in the systray or minimised then using timers or time
compare etc get it to 'run' at any time you wish etc

Useful for other things to - can be re-used

Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware
and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 22:15:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:15:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000101c81f62$7fd23dc0$647aa8c0@M90>

How do I determine the "clicked url"? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

Hi John

There would be a few ways to do this - Maybe explore the Windows Scheduler

Another way - A simple one - Would be to do this in access (so you can
control
everything) using a Microsoft Web Browser control on a form

Drop a Microsoft Web Control onto a form and feed it the URL you desire -
even the 'clicked' url at Speedtest.net can be fed to it

EG assume you called the dropped control "BrowserControl"

Pass it the parameter of the URL - Me.BrowserControl.Navigate "http://
Speedtest.net"

Then you could have it sit in the systray or minimised then using timers or
time compare etc get it to 'run' at any time you wish etc

Useful for other things to - can be re-used

Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 22:16:57 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:16:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000201c81f62$b549fc40$647aa8c0@M90>

This thing is a flash control, apparently with "hot spots" in it.  I don't
know how to determine what goes on behind the scenes when I click one of the
hotspots. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

Hi John

There would be a few ways to do this - Maybe explore the Windows Scheduler

Another way - A simple one - Would be to do this in access (so you can
control
everything) using a Microsoft Web Browser control on a form

Drop a Microsoft Web Control onto a form and feed it the URL you desire -
even the 'clicked' url at Speedtest.net can be fed to it

EG assume you called the dropped control "BrowserControl"

Pass it the parameter of the URL - Me.BrowserControl.Navigate "http://
Speedtest.net"

Then you could have it sit in the systray or minimised then using timers or
time compare etc get it to 'run' at any time you wish etc

Useful for other things to - can be re-used

Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  4 23:28:09 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:28:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Nov 2007 at 22:43, jwcolby wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
> a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
> other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?
> 

AutoIt was original written to do just this sort of thing.

http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

<quote>
AutoIt v3 is a freeware BASIC-like scripting language designed for automating the Windows GUI and general 
scripting. It uses a combination of simulated keystrokes, mouse movement and window/control manipulation in 
order to automate tasks in a way not possible or reliable with other languages (e.g. VBScript and SendKeys). 
AutoIt is also very small, self-contained and will run on all versions of Windows out-of-the-box with no annoying 
"runtimes" required!

AutoIt was initially designed for PC "roll out" situations to reliably automate and configure thousands of PCs. Over 
time it has become a powerful language that supports complex expressions, user functions, loops and everything 
else that veteran scripters would expect
</quote>




From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov  5 00:55:20 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:55:20 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000201c81f62$b549fc40$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <200711050655.lA56tBgf022331@databaseadvisors.com>

Howdy

Mmm flash control - nope not sure how to determine that either - 

Sorry - Just assumed it was an html thingy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 3:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

This thing is a flash control, apparently with "hot spots" in it.  I don't
know how to determine what goes on behind the scenes when I click one of the
hotspots. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

Hi John

There would be a few ways to do this - Maybe explore the Windows Scheduler

Another way - A simple one - Would be to do this in access (so you can
control
everything) using a Microsoft Web Browser control on a form

Drop a Microsoft Web Control onto a form and feed it the URL you desire -
even the 'clicked' url at Speedtest.net can be fed to it

EG assume you called the dropped control "BrowserControl"

Pass it the parameter of the URL - Me.BrowserControl.Navigate "http://
Speedtest.net"

Then you could have it sit in the systray or minimised then using timers or
time compare etc get it to 'run' at any time you wish etc

Useful for other things to - can be re-used

Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 01:07:59 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:07:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000601c81f7a$99c254a0$647aa8c0@M90>

This is way cool.  However I am running into an issue setting the focus to
the active window (the flash control).  The window info tool tells me it is
"MozillaWindowClass8" but I am trying things like 

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
;mousemove(692,90)
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(5000)
WinActivate("MozillaWindowClass8")
WinWaitActive("MozillaWindowClass8")
mouseclick("left",356,136)

and it gets all the way to opening the window and waiting for the flash to
stabilize but it does not activate that MozillaWindowClass8.  IOW the final
mouse click moves relative to the firefox bookmark bar at the top of
firefox, not relative to the boundaries of the flash control.  I don't know
how to get an absolute position on the screen, the mouse position in the
window info tool keeps resetting as it moves into and out of sub windows
inside of firefox.

I continue to play but not sure if I will figure this one out.

this widget is really cool though.  It would be even cooler if it would
"record macros" like Excel for instance.  I find no way to do that. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

On 4 Nov 2007 at 22:43, jwcolby wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write 
> open a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or 
> by some other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?
> 

AutoIt was original written to do just this sort of thing.

http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

<quote>
AutoIt v3 is a freeware BASIC-like scripting language designed for
automating the Windows GUI and general scripting. It uses a combination of
simulated keystrokes, mouse movement and window/control manipulation in
order to automate tasks in a way not possible or reliable with other
languages (e.g. VBScript and SendKeys). 
AutoIt is also very small, self-contained and will run on all versions of
Windows out-of-the-box with no annoying "runtimes" required!

AutoIt was initially designed for PC "roll out" situations to reliably
automate and configure thousands of PCs. Over time it has become a powerful
language that supports complex expressions, user functions, loops and
everything else that veteran scripters would expect </quote>


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 01:23:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:23:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000601c81f7a$99c254a0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90><472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000601c81f7a$99c254a0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000701c81f7c$ba310680$647aa8c0@M90>

I got it!  Boy was THAT easy.  It took about 1 hour from download to
finished script.  It's crude but it works.

The finished script looks like:

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(10000)
;mouseclick("left",356,136)
;V=136+251=387
;H=356+263=619
mouseclick("left",619,397)

Basically the Window Info tool tells you the H/V offsets of the window,
which you add on to the position within the window.

Thanks a million for pointing out this tool, it works a treat as our
brethren across the pond would say.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

This is way cool.  However I am running into an issue setting the focus to
the active window (the flash control).  The window info tool tells me it is
"MozillaWindowClass8" but I am trying things like 

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
;mousemove(692,90)
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(5000)
WinActivate("MozillaWindowClass8")
WinWaitActive("MozillaWindowClass8")
mouseclick("left",356,136)

and it gets all the way to opening the window and waiting for the flash to
stabilize but it does not activate that MozillaWindowClass8.  IOW the final
mouse click moves relative to the firefox bookmark bar at the top of
firefox, not relative to the boundaries of the flash control.  I don't know
how to get an absolute position on the screen, the mouse position in the
window info tool keeps resetting as it moves into and out of sub windows
inside of firefox.

I continue to play but not sure if I will figure this one out.

this widget is really cool though.  It would be even cooler if it would
"record macros" like Excel for instance.  I find no way to do that. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

On 4 Nov 2007 at 22:43, jwcolby wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write 
> open a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or 
> by some other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?
> 

AutoIt was original written to do just this sort of thing.

http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

<quote>
AutoIt v3 is a freeware BASIC-like scripting language designed for
automating the Windows GUI and general scripting. It uses a combination of
simulated keystrokes, mouse movement and window/control manipulation in
order to automate tasks in a way not possible or reliable with other
languages (e.g. VBScript and SendKeys). 
AutoIt is also very small, self-contained and will run on all versions of
Windows out-of-the-box with no annoying "runtimes" required!

AutoIt was initially designed for PC "roll out" situations to reliably
automate and configure thousands of PCs. Over time it has become a powerful
language that supports complex expressions, user functions, loops and
everything else that veteran scripters would expect </quote>


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 06:03:36 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:03:36 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000501c81edf$7f415ef0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009101c81fa3$e60e5b50$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>

Hats off to you JC. Your solution beats mine easy. I'll be using this
principle.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 04 November 2007 12:38
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> 
> BTW. to test this simply go to the debug window and enter:
> 
> ?MaxOfVars(4,2,5,4,8,4,9,0)
> 
> and hit enter.  
> 
> Place a breakpoint at lvarmax=varvalues(0) and then step if 
> you want to watch it run.
> 
> Next do 
> 
> ?MaxOfVars(5,2,6,7,4)
> 
> Next do 
> 
> ?MaxOfVars()
> 
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of 
> variables into an array of variables.
> 
> '.Comments  :
> '.Parameters:
> '.Sets      :
> '.Returns   :
> '.Created by: Colby Consulting
> '.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
> Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant) On 
> Error GoTo Err_MaxOfVars Dim lvarVal As Variant Dim lvarMax As Variant
>     lvarMax = varValues(0)
>     For Each lvarVal In varValues
>         If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
>             lvarMax = lvarVal
>         End If
>     Next lvarVal
>     MaxOfVars = lvarMax
> Exit_MaxOfVars:
> Exit Function
> Err_MaxOfVars:
>     Select Case Err
>     Case 9	'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
> currently return a null
> 	  MaxOfVars = null
>         Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
>     Case Else
>         MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function 
> Module1.MaxOfVars"
>         Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
>     End Select
>     Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
> End Function
> Then you can simply:
> 
> 1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
> 2) Iterate through the array
> 3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
> 4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
> 5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in 
> the array
> 6) Return lvarMax
> 
> 7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a 
> value of 9 and return a null
> 
> Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back 
> the max value regardless of the number passed in.
> 
> BTW, the function is tested and works.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
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> Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
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> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I 
> use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
> 
> 
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, 
> var3, var4)
> 
> ta
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Nov  5 06:39:08 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:39:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000701c81f7c$ba310680$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90><472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000601c81f7a$99c254a0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<000701c81f7c$ba310680$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  Know you already have your answer, but I would also suggest a look at DSL
Reports (www.dslreports.com).  It has a tools section with a lot of
different tools (including Smokeping, which is what you were basically
looking for) for testing and troubleshooting Internet connections, plus a
bunch of FAQ's on what to do about results.

  Just about all of it is free.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I got it!  Boy was THAT easy.  It took about 1 hour from download to
finished script.  It's crude but it works.

The finished script looks like:

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(10000)
;mouseclick("left",356,136)
;V=136+251=387
;H=356+263=619
mouseclick("left",619,397)

Basically the Window Info tool tells you the H/V offsets of the window,
which you add on to the position within the window.

Thanks a million for pointing out this tool, it works a treat as our
brethren across the pond would say.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

This is way cool.  However I am running into an issue setting the focus to
the active window (the flash control).  The window info tool tells me it is
"MozillaWindowClass8" but I am trying things like 

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
;mousemove(692,90)
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(5000)
WinActivate("MozillaWindowClass8")
WinWaitActive("MozillaWindowClass8")
mouseclick("left",356,136)

and it gets all the way to opening the window and waiting for the flash to
stabilize but it does not activate that MozillaWindowClass8.  IOW the final
mouse click moves relative to the firefox bookmark bar at the top of
firefox, not relative to the boundaries of the flash control.  I don't know
how to get an absolute position on the screen, the mouse position in the
window info tool keeps resetting as it moves into and out of sub windows
inside of firefox.

I continue to play but not sure if I will figure this one out.

this widget is really cool though.  It would be even cooler if it would
"record macros" like Excel for instance.  I find no way to do that. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

On 4 Nov 2007 at 22:43, jwcolby wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write 
> open a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or 
> by some other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?
> 

AutoIt was original written to do just this sort of thing.

http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

<quote>
AutoIt v3 is a freeware BASIC-like scripting language designed for
automating the Windows GUI and general scripting. It uses a combination of
simulated keystrokes, mouse movement and window/control manipulation in
order to automate tasks in a way not possible or reliable with other
languages (e.g. VBScript and SendKeys). 
AutoIt is also very small, self-contained and will run on all versions of
Windows out-of-the-box with no annoying "runtimes" required!

AutoIt was initially designed for PC "roll out" situations to reliably
automate and configure thousands of PCs. Over time it has become a powerful
language that supports complex expressions, user functions, loops and
everything else that veteran scripters would expect </quote>


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 06:40:24 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:40:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Broken link at DatabaseAdvisors.com
Message-ID: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90>

We have a broken link to the mdb demo file for newsletter 200503 - How to
create an FTP Client within Access.

And I need it!  8~(

John W. Colby
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From adtejpal at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 07:12:46 2007
From: adtejpal at gmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:42:46 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <00a101c81fad$bcdef230$3b57a27a@personalec1122>

William,

    If the number of value columns in crosstab style source table is likely to vary, a generic solution could be suggested, envisaging programmatic creation of required queries.

    On the other hand, if you are in a position to use the original data in normalized state, a single crosstab query could be suggested. It would fetch the desired results, including the two extra columns (one showing max of values across columns and the other showing total number of columns spanned by the two outermost columns carrying explicit values).

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

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  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 00:15
  Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only


  ...ok, you too, eh :)

  ...given:

  fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
  data1        1        1                            1             2
  data2        1                  5                  5             3
  data3        1        4                  3        3             4
  data4                  2        3                  3             2
  data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
  data6                  1                            1             1

  1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
  2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
  number and the last containing a number
  3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

  ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
  series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

  ...help!

  William

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 07:49:21 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:49:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client within
	Access
In-Reply-To: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000001c81fb2$ac10efd0$647aa8c0@M90>

I have tried to compile the code as shown on the web page and the class is
missing a method and won't compile.  Is anyone out there using this and can
you help me out here?


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Broken link at DatabaseAdvisors.com

We have a broken link to the mdb demo file for newsletter 200503 - How to
create an FTP Client within Access.

And I need it!  8~(

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  5 08:22:08 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:22:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Timing Form Open
Message-ID: <001a01c81fb7$3fea8730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I have a form which opens very slowly on the clients machine over a network.
So I need to speed up the open.
 
But first I need a benchmark.  I tried capturing the time at the start and
end of the Open event and then displaying a message box with the start, end,
and elapsed times.
 
But after I click OK on the message box there's still more stuff going on.
I see Calculating... in the status at the bottom left which I think
indicates that it's still evaluating the record source.
 
And I think the slowness is from the recordsource query and/or the row
sources of the combo boxes.
 
So I need to capture the elapsed time from the very beginning to the very
end of the open and load process.
 
The start time is trivial, I think - first statement in the Open event
timStart = Now.  But where to I capture the stop time?
 
If I can get the real elapsed time then I can begin to tweak the record and
row sources - add indexes, simplify, etc.  But I need an accurate measure of
elapsed time.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 08:45:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:45:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Timing Form Open
In-Reply-To: <001a01c81fb7$3fea8730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <001a01c81fb7$3fea8730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002701c81fba$76d97500$647aa8c0@M90>

Rocky,

You need to back out from the form itself and time the "Docmd.Open" code.
Start the timer just before calling docmd.open and then capture the times
when that call returns.

BTW as you probably know I have a class available for doing this kind of
thing.  The simplest class ever created that can be called a class (or so I
modestly claim).

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'
Private Declare Function apiGetTime Lib "winmm.dll" _
                                    Alias "timeGetTime" () As Long
Private lngStartTime As Long
'THESE FUNCTIONS / SUBS ARE USED TO IMPLEMENT CLASS FUNCTIONALITY
'*+Class function / sub declaration
Function EndTimer()
    EndTimer = apiGetTime() - lngStartTime
End Function
Sub StartTimer()
    lngStartTime = apiGetTime()
End Sub
'*-Class function / sub declaration
Private Sub Class_Initialize()
    StartTimer
End Sub 

in the code that opens your form:

dim lclsTimer as clsTimer
	set lclsTimer = new clsTimer
	docmd.open ...	'open your form here
	msgbox lclsTimer.EndTimer


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Timing Form Open

Dear List:
 
I have a form which opens very slowly on the clients machine over a network.
So I need to speed up the open.
 
But first I need a benchmark.  I tried capturing the time at the start and
end of the Open event and then displaying a message box with the start, end,
and elapsed times.
 
But after I click OK on the message box there's still more stuff going on.
I see Calculating... in the status at the bottom left which I think
indicates that it's still evaluating the record source.
 
And I think the slowness is from the recordsource query and/or the row
sources of the combo boxes.
 
So I need to capture the elapsed time from the very beginning to the very
end of the open and load process.
 
The start time is trivial, I think - first statement in the Open event
timStart = Now.  But where to I capture the stop time?
 
If I can get the real elapsed time then I can begin to tweak the record and
row sources - add indexes, simplify, etc.  But I need an accurate measure of
elapsed time.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Mon Nov  5 08:44:15 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:44:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy><024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne><008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
	<aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>

Well thanks to the Friday morning Access users and beach watchers in SD we
came up with a solution. More accurately, Mike Dwyer whipped it out on a
napkin. Here goes:

SELECT a.jid, a.q1, Count(*) AS NumCompanies
FROM [select distinct jid,q1,coid from responses where q1 is not null]. AS a
GROUP BY a.jid, a.q1;


Funny tho, if you look at the QBE, no trace of the sub query.....
I guess it is only capable of so much.

Thanks again to all who contributed.

Bob Heygood


 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

I would probably do two queries, one to select and to possibly group and the
second that uses the first as it's input that counts.

GK

On 11/1/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
> I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many 
> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
>
> Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will 
> return just the one value though. If you need additional details, 
> you'll need a subquery.
>
> Susan H.
>
> > What I need is to count the number of companies.
> > It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> > How many different companies responded to the question and many yes 
> > and how many no.
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:30:16 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:30:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
 within	Access
In-Reply-To: <000001c81fb2$ac10efd0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90>
	<000001c81fb2$ac10efd0$647aa8c0@M90>
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John, I sent you a file offline...I believe it is the original demo file that accompanied the code you are referencing.  Everything I use I have pulled out of that mdb. Good luck, Mark A. Matte> From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:49:21 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client within Access> > I have tried to compile the code as shown on the web page and the class is> missing a method and won't compile. Is anyone out there using this and can> you help me out here?> > > John W. Colby> Colby Consulting> www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message-----> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:40 AM> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'> Subject: [AccessD] Broken link at DatabaseAdvisors.com> > We have a broken link to the mdb demo file for newsletter 200503 - How to> create an FTP Client within Access.> > And I need it! 8~(> > John W. Colby> Colby Consulting> www.ColbyConsulting.com > > --> AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:31:45 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:31:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>
	<00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>
	<024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
	<aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com>
	<003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711050731u996f618o5206d0f100dd89a0@mail.gmail.com>

Not that you need it in this case, but it's worth mentioning a seldom-used
flavor of the Count() syntax. Here's one that works against the
AdventureWorks sample database:

Select Count(Distinct CustomerID) from Sales.SalesOrderHeader

A.

On 11/5/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Well thanks to the Friday morning Access users and beach watchers in SD we
> came up with a solution. More accurately, Mike Dwyer whipped it out on a
> napkin. Here goes:
>
> SELECT a.jid, a.q1, Count(*) AS NumCompanies
> FROM [select distinct jid,q1,coid from responses where q1 is not null]. AS
> a
> GROUP BY a.jid, a.q1;
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:36:02 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:36:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy><024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne><008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy><aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com><003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
	<29f585dd0711050731u996f618o5206d0f100dd89a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c81fc1$f8f16d20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well that's cool -- I'll have to take a look at that one!

Susan H.


> Not that you need it in this case, but it's worth mentioning a seldom-used
> flavor of the Count() syntax. Here's one that works against the
> AdventureWorks sample database:
>
> Select Count(Distinct CustomerID) from Sales.SalesOrderHeader



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 09:42:30 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:42:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
	within	Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W36AE4264316EFE3E24EB7BD2880@phx.gbl>
References: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90><000001c81fb2$ac10efd0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY127-W36AE4264316EFE3E24EB7BD2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003101c81fc2$7a9264b0$647aa8c0@M90>

It hasn't appeared yet.

Thanks for the assistance. 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
within Access


John, I sent you a file offline...I believe it is the original demo file
that accompanied the code you are referencing.  Everything I use I have
pulled out of that mdb. Good luck, Mark A. Matte> From:
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Mon, 5
Nov 2007 08:49:21 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to
create an FTP Client within Access> > I have tried to compile the code as
shown on the web page and the class is> missing a method and won't compile.
Is anyone out there using this and can> you help me out here?> > > John W.
Colby> Colby Consulting> www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original
Message-----> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com>
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby> Sent:
Monday, November 05, 2007 7:40 AM> To: 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'> Subject: [AccessD] Broken link at DatabaseAdvisors.com> >
We have a broken link to the mdb demo file for newsletter 200503 - How!
  to> create an FTP Client within Access.> > And I need it! 8~(> > John W.
Colby> Colby Consulting> www.ColbyConsulting.com > > --> AccessD mailing
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov  5 09:50:26 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:50:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy><024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne><008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy><aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com>
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Bob,

I 'think' that you will need to replace the square brackets around your
subquery with parentheses.  Try that and then look at the QBE.  I have
written simple subqueries in the QBE, so they do display there.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Well thanks to the Friday morning Access users and beach watchers in SD we
came up with a solution. More accurately, Mike Dwyer whipped it out on a
napkin. Here goes:

SELECT a.jid, a.q1, Count(*) AS NumCompanies
FROM [select distinct jid,q1,coid from responses where q1 is not null]. AS a
GROUP BY a.jid, a.q1;


Funny tho, if you look at the QBE, no trace of the sub query.....
I guess it is only capable of so much.

Thanks again to all who contributed.

Bob Heygood


 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

I would probably do two queries, one to select and to possibly group and the
second that uses the first as it's input that counts.

GK

On 11/1/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
> I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many 
> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
>
> Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will 
> return just the one value though. If you need additional details, 
> you'll need a subquery.
>
> Susan H.
>
> > What I need is to count the number of companies.
> > It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> > How many different companies responded to the question and many yes 
> > and how many no.
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:58:20 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:58:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP
	Clientwithin	Access
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Message-ID: <00d201c81fc4$b0e1fab0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi,
I also had this problem when I downloaded this module.
Is it possible to have it corrected so that it is downloadable again please.
Thanks
Max
 

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Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Clientwithin
Access

It hasn't appeared yet.

Thanks for the assistance. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
within Access


John, I sent you a file offline...I believe it is the original demo file
that accompanied the code you are referencing.  Everything I use I have
pulled out of that mdb. Good luck, Mark A. Matte> From:
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Mon, 5
Nov 2007 08:49:21 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to
create an FTP Client within Access> > I have tried to compile the code as
shown on the web page and the class is> missing a method and won't compile.
Is anyone out there using this and can> you help me out here?> > > John W.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov  5 10:06:17 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:06:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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We used Wise and Sagekey for years with our Access apps, but we switched
to InstallShield for the .Net apps.  I've always like Installshiled, and
I used to use it for my own Access runtime installs.  Sagekey provides
scripts for InstallShield too.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad,
particularly Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov  5 10:07:43 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:07:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81efe$69bc3e50$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002c01c81efe$69bc3e50$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703C0E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The thing I remember about it was that you couldn't put a shortcut on
the desktop with it.  You had to create a VB script to install a
shortcut.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Another question about the Windows Installer - I vaguely remember there
being some problem with it that you didn't have with a commercial
installer
like Wise.  But I can't remember.   Does anyone recall this?

MTIA

Rocky





 	
	

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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
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Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad,
particularly Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov  5 10:15:25 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:15:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <002d01c81fc3$95ccf460$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy><024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne><008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy><aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com><003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
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You can write it with parens, but the query engine will replace them
with square brackets and a period anyhow.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Bob,

I 'think' that you will need to replace the square brackets around your
subquery with parentheses.  Try that and then look at the QBE.  I have
written simple subqueries in the QBE, so they do display there.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Well thanks to the Friday morning Access users and beach watchers in SD
we came up with a solution. More accurately, Mike Dwyer whipped it out
on a napkin. Here goes:

SELECT a.jid, a.q1, Count(*) AS NumCompanies FROM [select distinct
jid,q1,coid from responses where q1 is not null]. AS a GROUP BY a.jid,
a.q1;


Funny tho, if you look at the QBE, no trace of the sub query.....
I guess it is only capable of so much.

Thanks again to all who contributed.

Bob Heygood


 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

I would probably do two queries, one to select and to possibly group and
the second that uses the first as it's input that counts.

GK

On 11/1/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
> I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many

> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot
for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
>
> Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will 
> return just the one value though. If you need additional details, 
> you'll need a subquery.
>
> Susan H.
>
> > What I need is to count the number of companies.
> > It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> > How many different companies responded to the question and many yes 
> > and how many no.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov  5 10:31:49 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:31:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
	withinAccess
In-Reply-To: <000001c81fb2$ac10efd0$647aa8c0@M90>
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Sorry about the newsletter/link problem. Our webmaster he will correct it a
soon as he can.

Thanks for your patience.

John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  5 11:50:19 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:50:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
Message-ID: <s72f660d.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

This is MS SQL Server or MySQL syntax. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in any version of JET SQL.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 05-11-2007 16:36:02 >>>
Well that's cool -- I'll have to take a look at that one!

Susan H.


> Not that you need it in this case, but it's worth mentioning a seldom-used
> flavor of the Count() syntax. Here's one that works against the
> AdventureWorks sample database:
>
> Select Count(Distinct CustomerID) from Sales.SalesOrderHeader





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 11:57:31 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:57:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <s72f660d.070@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <015701c81fd5$950f6b90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Thanks Gustav -- I would've tried it in Access.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
>
> This is MS SQL Server or MySQL syntax. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in 
> any version of JET SQL.
>



From fireonice at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:07:02 2007
From: fireonice at hotmail.com (James Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:07:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
Message-ID: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>

Okay. I know this is probably something really easy I'm overlooking, but
right now I'm drawing a blank and hope someone can point me in the right
direction.

 

I have a form with two checkboxes on it..  form is tied to a table. and when
the checkboxes are "true" I have a text box that appears for some text to be
typed in. when the checkbox is unchecked, the text box is set so the
visibility is false..  This works fine on my form, until you move to the
next record. and then no matter what state the checkbox is, the textbox will
be visible or not depending on how it was left on the last record.  (I hope
that made sense).

 

My question is, what event do I need to add my code to, so that it will set
the textbox properties correctly after the new record appears on the form.
I have tried all the events I can think of, and none work..   I'm assuming
there should be a way to  capture the record change event, but I can't seem
to find where to do that.

 

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!  I know this is probably so
easy...  LOL

 

James

 



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:12:35 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:12:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  OT..Test email format IGNORE
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> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output. We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:24:23 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:24:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Private_Format
In-Reply-To: <002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local> 
Message-ID: <BAY127-W132C087DB7189FA62351A6D2880@phx.gbl>


Gustav,
 
Thanks for pointing this out as I typically don't read my own posts.  I'm not sure what the problem is...I think this is happening when I reply to the list...as a test I will send this email to you directly...then hit "back" and send it to the list...please let me know the results.
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000


> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:40:04 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:40:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711051040k3c605f4cq7b08039d08bd276f@mail.gmail.com>

I beleive it would be the "On Current" Event of the form where you
would evaluate the value of your fields and set the visibility on or
off as needed.

GK

On 11/5/07, James Miller <fireonice at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Okay. I know this is probably something really easy I'm overlooking, but
> right now I'm drawing a blank and hope someone can point me in the right
> direction.
>
>
>
> I have a form with two checkboxes on it..  form is tied to a table. and when
> the checkboxes are "true" I have a text box that appears for some text to be
> typed in. when the checkbox is unchecked, the text box is set so the
> visibility is false..  This works fine on my form, until you move to the
> next record. and then no matter what state the checkbox is, the textbox will
> be visible or not depending on how it was left on the last record.  (I hope
> that made sense).
>
>
>
> My question is, what event do I need to add my code to, so that it will set
> the textbox properties correctly after the new record appears on the form.
> I have tried all the events I can think of, and none work..   I'm assuming
> there should be a way to  capture the record change event, but I can't seem
> to find where to do that.
>
>
>
> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!  I know this is probably so
> easy...  LOL
>
>
>
> James
>
>
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:43:32 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:43:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT..Test email format IGNORE
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W10249001C677167913256AD2880@phx.gbl>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W10249001C677167913256AD2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711051043u324ea9fhd42861439cb6f886@mail.gmail.com>

Quite a lot of weirdness going on here Mark.

I'd say the test FAILED.

GK

On 11/5/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output. We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 12:57:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:57:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004601c81fdd$c5b05400$647aa8c0@M90>

I would guess that this is happening because you are testing for a true /
false in the checkbox and when you hit the new record the checkbox is null.
Is the actual checkbox control default value false?

As to your question OnCurrent is the event that fires when the form moves
from record to record. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Miller
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question

Okay. I know this is probably something really easy I'm overlooking, but
right now I'm drawing a blank and hope someone can point me in the right
direction.

 

I have a form with two checkboxes on it..  form is tied to a table. and when
the checkboxes are "true" I have a text box that appears for some text to be
typed in. when the checkbox is unchecked, the text box is set so the
visibility is false..  This works fine on my form, until you move to the
next record. and then no matter what state the checkbox is, the textbox will
be visible or not depending on how it was left on the last record.  (I hope
that made sense).

 

My question is, what event do I need to add my code to, so that it will set
the textbox properties correctly after the new record appears on the form.
I have tried all the events I can think of, and none work..   I'm assuming
there should be a way to  capture the record change event, but I can't seem
to find where to do that.

 

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!  I know this is probably so
easy...  LOL

 

James

 

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From fireonice at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:58:10 2007
From: fireonice at hotmail.com (James Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:58:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711051040k3c605f4cq7b08039d08bd276f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>
	<aea6c4950711051040k3c605f4cq7b08039d08bd276f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY143-DAV5BA9D4D94A4B2ED0D57CCB9880@phx.gbl>

Thanks Gary!

Man, I feel silly now, because I knew it had to be something easy I was
overlooking...   that did the trick!

Thanks again,
James


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Easy question

I beleive it would be the "On Current" Event of the form where you
would evaluate the value of your fields and set the visibility on or
off as needed.

GK





From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Nov  5 13:03:44 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:03:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
In-Reply-To: <012001c81fd6$aaaff5e0$000fe1a0$@com>
References: <012001c81fd6$aaaff5e0$000fe1a0$@com>
Message-ID: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0BFD4A@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Have you tried a refresh when moving to the next record?

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Miller
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question

Okay. I know this is probably something really easy I'm overlooking, but
right now I'm drawing a blank and hope someone can point me in the right
direction.

 

I have a form with two checkboxes on it..  form is tied to a table. and when
the checkboxes are "true" I have a text box that appears for some text to be
typed in. when the checkbox is unchecked, the text box is set so the
visibility is false..  This works fine on my form, until you move to the
next record. and then no matter what state the checkbox is, the textbox will
be visible or not depending on how it was left on the last record.  (I hope
that made sense).

 

My question is, what event do I need to add my code to, so that it will set
the textbox properties correctly after the new record appears on the form.
I have tried all the events I can think of, and none work..   I'm assuming
there should be a way to  capture the record change event, but I can't seem
to find where to do that.

 

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!  I know this is probably so
easy...  LOL

 

James

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  5 13:10:56 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:10:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703C0E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002c01c81efe$69bc3e50$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703C0E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000101c81fdf$985933d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

That's the kind of stuff I was looking for.  There's got to be some reason
why Wise and Instalshield exist.  

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

The thing I remember about it was that you couldn't put a shortcut on the
desktop with it.  You had to create a VB script to install a shortcut.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Another question about the Windows Installer - I vaguely remember there
being some problem with it that you didn't have with a commercial installer
like Wise.  But I can't remember.   Does anyone recall this?

MTIA

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad, particularly
Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rocky
 
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From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Nov  5 13:13:13 2007
From: viner at EUnet.yu (viner)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:13:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
Message-ID: <006f01c81fdf$fef13d90$dd0cf0d5@IPC>

Hi,
I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible written in Access. 
TIA,
    Ervin

From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Mon Nov  5 13:19:39 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:19:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
In-Reply-To: <006f01c81fdf$fef13d90$dd0cf0d5@IPC>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPKEMPFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

What do you mean "timetable application"?  What are you trying to
accomplish?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
>
> Hi,
> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
> written in Access.
> TIA,
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:24:54 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:24:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Test Laptop
In-Reply-To: <002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>  
Message-ID: <BAY127-W161B89FD0A6CE271A9BA3BD2880@phx.gbl>


Sorry for the tests everyone!!!


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] Private_FormatDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:24:23 +0000


Gustav, Thanks for pointing this out as I typically don't read my own posts.  I'm not sure what the problem is...I think this is happening when I reply to the list...as a test I will send this email to you directly...then hit "back" and send it to the list...please let me know the results. Thanks, Mark A. Matte


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000

> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:26:09 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Test DeskTop
In-Reply-To: <002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
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From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] OT: Test LaptopDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:24:54 +0000


Sorry for the tests everyone!!!


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] Private_FormatDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:24:23 +0000

Gustav, Thanks for pointing this out as I typically don't read my own posts.  I'm not sure what the problem is...I think this is happening when I reply to the list...as a test I will send this email to you directly...then hit "back" and send it to the list...please let me know the results. Thanks, Mark A. Matte


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000

> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:27:59 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:27:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Test XP_Conv
In-Reply-To: <002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
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From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] OT: Test DeskTopDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 +0000





From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] OT: Test LaptopDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:24:54 +0000

Sorry for the tests everyone!!!


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] Private_FormatDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:24:23 +0000

Gustav, Thanks for pointing this out as I typically don't read my own posts.  I'm not sure what the problem is...I think this is happening when I reply to the list...as a test I will send this email to you directly...then hit "back" and send it to the list...please let me know the results. Thanks, Mark A. Matte


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000

> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:40:17 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:40:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  My AccessD Email Format
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
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Hello All,
 
I have received some offline emails from the list concerning the format of my emails.  As I do not typically read my own posts...I was not aware.  Thank you all for letting me know.
 
I have sent from multiple machines...1 of which nothing has changed on in the last year...and the results are the same.  When I reply to an email...What I view seems to be fine...what is in the SENT folder seems to be fine...but when I get the email back from the list...everything past what I added is all run together without CR or spaces.
 
I have sent the same message to people directly...I'm waiting to hear how it went...If I send it to myself...it comes through correct.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:47:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:47:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk><002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
	<BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008701c81fe4$a90c2890$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


I have sent the same message to people directly...I'm waiting to hear how it 
went...If I send it to myself...it comes through correct.

Any ideas?

=======For what it's worth, this one came through fine.

Susan H. 



From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Nov  5 13:51:34 2007
From: viner at EUnet.yu (viner)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:51:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPKEMPFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>

Hi Reuben,
I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in  "tutor, 
room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master, 
http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
TIA,
    Ervin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed


> What do you mean "timetable application"?  What are you trying to
> accomplish?
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
>> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
>> written in Access.
>> TIA,
>>     Ervin
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  5 13:55:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:55:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <002401c81a60$70c6d2c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters><008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002401c81a60$70c6d2c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000201c81fe5$d7514ae0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dan:

Here's what I ended up with.  My requirement was not as general case as
yours.  Just to spell check a specific bound field  on a filtered form - all
records.

    DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst
    Do While Me.NewRecord = False
        Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SetFocus
        Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SelStart = 0
        If Not IsNull(Me.TimeEntryNarrative) Then
            Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SelLength = Len(Me.TimeEntryNarrative)
            DoCmd.SetWarnings False
            DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
            DoCmd.SetWarnings True
        End If
        DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNext
    Loop
    SendKeys "{ESC}"

The send keys at the end is to cancel the new record.  

Thanks for the code.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

The code I listed was a little simplified.  In my app I have a User Settings
form.  One of the settings is if a user wants the auto-spellcheck turned on.
That value is stored in a tblPeopleMain field, and it's value is True by
default.

The reason this is only checking a specific field is because all the text in
that field is selected in code.  I've never tried to run acCmdSpelling
without selecting text first!  

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

That will definitely help.  I'll probably define some hot key to trigger the
spell check since the user may want it off - or maybe a check box and use
the enter/exit approach.  

The DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling if call separately, does that normally
run on all the text boxes on the form or just the text box that has the
focus?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 14:03:32 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:03:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
	<BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 5, 2007 2:40 PM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have received some offline emails from the list concerning the format of my emails.  As I do not typically read my own posts...I was not aware.  Thank you all for letting me know.
>
> I have sent from multiple machines...1 of which nothing has changed on in the last year...and the results are the same.  When I reply to an email...What I view seems to be fine...what is in the SENT folder seems to be fine...but when I get the email back from the list...everything past what I added is all run together without CR or spaces.
>
> I have sent the same message to people directly...I'm waiting to hear how it went...If I send it to myself...it comes through correct.
>
> Any ideas?

My guess (not having time to look carefully as I;'m in the middle of 3
projects with deadlines in less than an hour) is that it the HTML
email to plain text converter in the mailing list software.

Try setting your e-mail client to send only plain ascii text and not html.

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shouting "What a great ride!"


From sdhi at kalamazoo.net  Mon Nov  5 14:22:16 2007
From: sdhi at kalamazoo.net (Sheri Hixson)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:22:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters
Message-ID: <00a201c81fe9$8f08d1a0$b000000a@nw8000>

I have a column in a table that contains info as shown below:

 

123 123.456

123 123.456

410 410.435

555 555.123

789 789.678

910 910.321

 

The first 3 characters are duplicated in 5,6,7. How do I remove the first
three characters, and the space, from each record in this column so that the
results would be:

 

123.456

123.456

410.435

555.123

789.678

910.321

 

Any help would be appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Dee

 

 



From doug at starntech.com  Mon Nov  5 14:38:53 2007
From: doug at starntech.com (Doug Barnes)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:38:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <000101c81fdf$985933d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <PMEKIHBHBBIPIDKJCEJDKEALELAA.doug@starntech.com>

Another installer is Inno Setup, which is free. Also, download the Inno Tool
to accompany.

Douglas Barnes

Starn Technical Services
P.O. Box 1172
15957 Conneaut Lake Road, Suite 7
Meadville, PA  16335

P: 814.724.1045
F: 814.337.3460


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers


That's the kind of stuff I was looking for.  There's got to be some reason
why Wise and Instalshield exist.

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

The thing I remember about it was that you couldn't put a shortcut on the
desktop with it.  You had to create a VB script to install a shortcut.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Another question about the Windows Installer - I vaguely remember there
being some problem with it that you didn't have with a commercial installer
like Wise.  But I can't remember.   Does anyone recall this?

MTIA

Rocky








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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:

I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.

Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad, particularly
Windows Installer?

Thanks in advance

Rocky

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From Chester_Kaup at KinderMorgan.com  Mon Nov  5 14:40:43 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at KinderMorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:40:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters
In-Reply-To: <00a201c81fe9$8f08d1a0$b000000a@nw8000>
References: <00a201c81fe9$8f08d1a0$b000000a@nw8000>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32203573815@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

For example if your data is in table1 and field1 use this function

Mid([Table1]![Field1],5,7)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Sheri Hixson
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:22 PM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters

I have a column in a table that contains info as shown below:

 

123 123.456

123 123.456

410 410.435

555 555.123

789 789.678

910 910.321

 

The first 3 characters are duplicated in 5,6,7. How do I remove the
first
three characters, and the space, from each record in this column so that
the
results would be:

 

123.456

123.456

410.435

555.123

789.678

910.321

 

Any help would be appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Dee

 

 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov  5 14:47:16 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:47:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <000201c81fe5$d7514ae0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters><008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002401c81a60$70c6d2c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<000201c81fe5$d7514ae0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <004101c81fed$0d601510$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Very Clever!  I'll remember this.

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dan:

Here's what I ended up with.  My requirement was not as general case as
yours.  Just to spell check a specific bound field  on a filtered form - all
records.

    DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst
    Do While Me.NewRecord = False
        Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SetFocus
        Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SelStart = 0
        If Not IsNull(Me.TimeEntryNarrative) Then
            Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SelLength = Len(Me.TimeEntryNarrative)
            DoCmd.SetWarnings False
            DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
            DoCmd.SetWarnings True
        End If
        DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNext
    Loop
    SendKeys "{ESC}"

The send keys at the end is to cancel the new record.  

Thanks for the code.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

The code I listed was a little simplified.  In my app I have a User Settings
form.  One of the settings is if a user wants the auto-spellcheck turned on.
That value is stored in a tblPeopleMain field, and it's value is True by
default.

The reason this is only checking a specific field is because all the text in
that field is selected in code.  I've never tried to run acCmdSpelling
without selecting text first!  

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

That will definitely help.  I'll probably define some hot key to trigger the
spell check since the user may want it off - or maybe a check box and use
the enter/exit approach.  

The DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling if call separately, does that normally
run on all the text boxes on the form or just the text box that has the
focus?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov  5 15:04:19 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:04:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters
In-Reply-To: <00a201c81fe9$8f08d1a0$b000000a@nw8000>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74642@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

If this a permanent change, this would work:

UPDATE tblYourTableName SET YourFieldName=Mid(YourFieldName,5)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Sheri Hixson
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:22 PM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters

I have a column in a table that contains info as shown below:

 

123 123.456

123 123.456

410 410.435

555 555.123

789 789.678

910 910.321

 

The first 3 characters are duplicated in 5,6,7. How do I remove the
first
three characters, and the space, from each record in this column so that
the
results would be:

 

123.456

123.456

410.435

555.123

789.678

910.321

 

Any help would be appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Dee

 

 

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 15:30:27 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:30:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
	<BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl> 
	<e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W1272FD042E655A78D9C56FD2880@phx.gbl>


the HTML> email to plain text converter in the mailing list software.> > Try setting your e-mail client to send only plain ascii text and not html.> 
 
I use hotmail...anyone else use it...and have any idea if that is an option?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
 
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:03:32 -0500> From: carbonnb at gmail.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format> > On Nov 5, 2007 2:40 PM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > Hello All,> >> > I have received some offline emails from the list concerning the format of my emails. As I do not typically read my own posts...I was not aware. Thank you all for letting me know.> >> > I have sent from multiple machines...1 of which nothing has changed on in the last year...and the results are the same. When I reply to an email...What I view seems to be fine...what is in the SENT folder seems to be fine...but when I get the email back from the list...everything past what I added is all run together without CR or spaces.> >> > I have sent the same message to people directly...I'm waiting to hear how it went...If I send it to myself...it comes through correct.> >> > Any ideas?> > My guess (not having time to look carefully as I;'m in the middle of 3> projects with deadlines in less than an hour) is that it the HTML> email to plain text converter in the mailing list software.> > Try setting your e-mail client to send only plain ascii text and not html.> > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,> shouting "What a great ride!"> -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 19:37:11 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:37:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format
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References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
	<BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl>
	<e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-W1272FD042E655A78D9C56FD2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711051737r66c89fa0u4d1399d1c66177dd@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 5, 2007 4:30 PM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> the HTML> email to plain text converter in the mailing list software.> > Try setting your e-mail client to send only plain ascii text and not html.>
>
> I use hotmail...anyone else use it...and have any idea if that is an option?

Which version? MSN Hotmail or the new and broken Windows Live Hotmail?

http://email.about.com/od/hotmailtips/qt/et_plain_text.htm will tell
you how to do it in MSN Hotmail. If you are using the Windows Live
Hotmail, time to find another way to send to the list. You can't send
in plain acsii text from Windows Live Hotmail.

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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov  5 22:38:23 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:08:23 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk><002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshows
	bs.local><BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl><BAY127-W443A2A847E07
	4233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl><e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.
	gmail.com><BAY127-W1272FD042E655A78D9C56FD2880@phx.gbl> 
	<e04a6c920711051737r66c89fa0u4d1399d1c66177dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c8202e$f5e09620$df57a27a@personalec1122>

William,

    If the number of value columns in crosstab style source table is likely to vary, a generic solution could be suggested, envisaging programmatic creation of required queries.

    On the other hand, if you are in a position to use the original data in normalized state, a single crosstab query could be suggested. It would fetch the desired results, including the two extra columns (one showing max of values across columns and the other showing total number of columns spanned by the two outermost columns carrying explicit values).

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 00:15
  Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only


  ...ok, you too, eh :)

  ...given:

  fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
  data1        1        1                            1             2
  data2        1                  5                  5             3
  data3        1        4                  3        3             4
  data4                  2        3                  3             2
  data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
  data6                  1                            1             1

  1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
  2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
  number and the last containing a number
  3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

  ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
  series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

  ...help!

  William

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov  6 03:23:20 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:23:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Private_Format
Message-ID: <s73040af.072@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark et al

The problem is that the plain text body of the message from Hotmail is garbled as no line breaks exist.
This is a direct cut and paste of the encoded body part in the mail you sent directly to me. Here's a snip:

---
From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [A=
ccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000


> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > sp=
ending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion=
. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your or=
iginal table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=3DSet---this =
is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=3DValue---this is where your 1,2=
,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=3DLtr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this =
is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a s=
ingle crosstab. 
---

However, also an HTML part is included, and if your mail client defaults to HTML, it will read that for quoting.
That looks similar to this snip:

---
From: markamatte at hotmail.com 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus only
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000

> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before 
> spending days running in circles.
 
...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion.
 
Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:
field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff went
field2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...went
field3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z
 
Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab.
---

No problem here.
So the issue is, that Hotmail generates garbled plain text and mail clients (including the mail reader part of the list server) faithfully reads that part for quoting or forwarding to the list.

As I don't use Hotmail while other list members do you may discuss with these if some option can be changed to address this issue.

/gustav




From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Nov  6 08:00:22 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:00:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
In-Reply-To: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
>
> Hi Reuben,
> I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in  "tutor,
> room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master,
> http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
> TIA,
>     Ervin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
>
> > What do you mean "timetable application"?  What are you trying to
> > accomplish?
> >
> > Reuben Cummings
> > GFC, LLC
> > 812.523.1017
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
> >> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
> >> written in Access.
> >> TIA,
> >>     Ervin
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  6 08:29:34 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:29:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  OT...View Test
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>
	<DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>


Sorry for the tests...

ok...changed a view on my email...


> From: reuben at gfconsultants.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:00:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
> I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
> who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:52 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>>
>>
>> Hi Reuben,
>> I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in "tutor,
>> room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master,
>> http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
>> TIA,
>> Ervin
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Reuben Cummings" 
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>>
>>
>>> What do you mean "timetable application"? What are you trying to
>>> accomplish?
>>>
>>> Reuben Cummings
>>> GFC, LLC
>>> 812.523.1017
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
>>>> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
>>>> written in Access.
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Ervin
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Nov  6 08:43:18 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:43:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPOENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

My wife suggested looking at these people...

http://www.sti-k12.com/

I'm guessing it's a little overkill.  A friend of mine has written a
scheduling app for things like resteraunts - would that help?  I haven't
spoken to him in quite a while so it may be tough to run him down.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reuben
> Cummings
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
>
> I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
> who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:52 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >
> >
> > Hi Reuben,
> > I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in  "tutor,
> > room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master,
> > http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
> > TIA,
> >     Ervin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >
> >
> > > What do you mean "timetable application"?  What are you trying to
> > > accomplish?
> > >
> > > Reuben Cummings
> > > GFC, LLC
> > > 812.523.1017
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> > >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
> > >> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
> > >> written in Access.
> > >> TIA,
> > >>     Ervin
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>





From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 08:56:35 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:56:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT...View Test
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>
References: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>
	<DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
	<BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711060656o4d3578f7p1e44159f5d6129f1@mail.gmail.com>

Looks good here.

Gary

On 11/6/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the tests...
>
> ok...changed a view on my email...
>
>
> > From: reuben at gfconsultants.com
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:00:22 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >
> > I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
> > who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.
> >
> > Reuben Cummings
> > GFC, LLC
> > 812.523.1017
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:52 PM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Reuben,
> >> I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in "tutor,
> >> room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master,
> >> http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
> >> TIA,
> >> Ervin
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Reuben Cummings"
> >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >>
> >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >>
> >>
> >>> What do you mean "timetable application"? What are you trying to
> >>> accomplish?
> >>>
> >>> Reuben Cummings
> >>> GFC, LLC
> >>> 812.523.1017
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
> >>>> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
> >>>> written in Access.
> >>>> TIA,
> >>>> Ervin
> >>>> --
> >>>> AccessD mailing list
> >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 09:01:24 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:01:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT...View Test
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>
References: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>
	<DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
	<BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711060701p23b8a02bs318d247f8c758540@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 6, 2007 9:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the tests...
>
> ok...changed a view on my email...

Much better.

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov  6 09:06:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:06:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT...View Test
Message-ID: <s7309111.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Matt

That made a big change. Thanks!

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 06-11-2007 15:29 >>>

Sorry for the tests...

ok...changed a view on my email...


> From: reuben at gfconsultants.com 
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:00:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
> I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
> who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 13:51:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:51:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
Message-ID: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I have four unbound text controls -- two in the header and two in the 
footer -- to display the first and last items on each page.

I've got three of them working as follows:

I use the control's Control Source property to display the first item in the 
header and the last item in the footer. I use the following to update the 
footer's first item.

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  'Store first item on page for footer.
  Dim strFirst As String
  strFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtFooterFirst = strFirst
End Sub

I tried the following to update the header's last item, but it doesn't work:

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  'Return last item on each page for header.
  Dim strLast As String
  strLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  Me.txtHeaderLast = strLast
End Sub

The first page displays nothing and all subsequent pages display the last 
item from the previous page, not the current page.

How do I grab the last item on the current page?

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 19:29:17 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:29:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] report control not displaying right value
Message-ID: <001601c820dd$a367a8c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

The following code is a simple solution, I thought, to displaying the last 
item on a page in the page header section. I've dropped in a few Debug 
statements to verify that the collection is storing and retrieving the right 
items, but the control always displays the first item on the page. I'm 
clueless -- I have no idea what's happening here.

Basically, during the first pass (I'm using the report Pages property to 
force a second formatting run), I'm storing the last item on each page --  
the value of txtFooterLast -- in a Collection object. That part works fine. 
Then, the report retrieves those values using the page number as the index 
value. The Debug statements verify that the right values are in the 
collection, however, txtHeaderLast doesn't display the results of 
col(Me.Page) -- it displays the first value on the page, not the value 
retrieved from the Collection. I just don't have any explanation.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Dim col As New Collection


Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Debug.Print Me.Page
  Debug.Print col(Me.Page)
  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
  Debug.Print Me.txtHeaderLast.Value
End Sub

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast, CStr(Me.Page)
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub Report_Close()
  Set col = Nothing
End Sub 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov  6 20:51:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:51:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing
Message-ID: <003a01c820e9$19c48f00$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I had good skies tonight and spent about an hour out looking at the north
east quadrant of the skies.  I went out specifically to see if I could find
the comet Holmes.  It turned out to be dead easy using Starry Nights.  The
program loads the location of comets and satellites and so forth so I was
able to print out a star chart with the location of Holmes.  It took all of
about 2 minutes to find it.  It is HUGE, although it is now growing so big
that it is really just a big ball of gas with a very slightly brighter
center area.  I dragged my son Robbie and my wife Mary out to see it.  Quite
cool.  

Of course it is also quite cold now (about 38 degrees out right now) so
Robbie and Mary quickly hurried back in the house.  I stayed out to try and
hunt down something else interesting.  Being totally new to this stuff I
have a lot of difficulty finding things, in fact even knowing where I am
looking.  I was trying to find the owl cluster and from there the little
dumbbell nebula M76 but was not able to do so.  I THINK I found the
Andromeda galaxy M31.  However looking at the chart now (inside the house) I
notice that there are three M objects m110, m32 and M31 quite close together
and I did not notice any other fuzzy in the immediate neighborhood so
perhaps I (once again) was not looking where I thought I was.  The area I
was looking at was close to directly over head, which makes using the finder
a pain.

Anyway, it was a fun evening.  I spent about an hour out there until my ears
were starting to get numb and it was time to pack it in.  Saturday the
"local" astronomy club is supposed to be meeting at a dark site, specific
location to be determined.  I hope to make it to the gathering.  My
telescope is an 8" DOB, an Orion Skyquest XT8 and it has a computerized
object locator, a "digital setting circle" which, if I could figure out how
to do the scope setup and calibration, would then allow me to "push to" just
about any object visible at my location.  I am hoping to get some
instruction on how to do this from club members Saturday night.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov  7 00:15:41 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:45:41 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>

Susan,

    For displaying the first and last items of report's detail section in its page header as well as footer, you have used four unbound text boxes as follows:

    (a) Page Header section:  TxtHeaderFirst and TxtHeaderLast
    (b) Page Footer section:  TxtFooterFirst and TxtFooterLast

    Assignment of values to TxtHeaderLast, located in page header section involves backward reference and therefore requires pre-building of array based upon first pass of formatting. For ensuring a complete prior cycle of formatting, you have correctly placed a calculated textbox having [Pages] as a component of its expression.

    Sample code in report's module, as given below, should get you the desired results. Title is the name of control in detail section, whose first & last values are required to be displayed in page header & footer.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample code in report's module
'=================================
' Declarations section
' Report level global array variable
Private ArLastVal() As String
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
                        As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
    
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
        ArLastVal([Page]) = Me.Title
        ReDim Preserve ArLastVal([Page] + 1)
    End If
End Sub
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
                        As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
    Me.TxtHeaderLast = ArLastVal([Page])
End Sub
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Report_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    ReDim Preserve ArLastVal(1)
End Sub
'=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 01:21
  Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  I have four unbound text controls -- two in the header and two in the 
  footer -- to display the first and last items on each page.

  I've got three of them working as follows:

  I use the control's Control Source property to display the first item in the 
  header and the last item in the footer. I use the following to update the 
  footer's first item.

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
  Integer)
    'Store first item on page for footer.
    Dim strFirst As String
    strFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
    Me.txtFooterFirst = strFirst
  End Sub

  I tried the following to update the header's last item, but it doesn't work:

  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
  Integer)
    'Return last item on each page for header.
    Dim strLast As String
    strLast = Me.txtFooterLast
    Me.txtHeaderLast = strLast
  End Sub

  The first page displays nothing and all subsequent pages display the last 
  item from the previous page, not the current page.

  How do I grab the last item on the current page?

  Susan H. 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov  7 03:31:19 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:31:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] report control not displaying right value
Message-ID: <s7319415.099@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

Have you tried moving this line to the OnPrint event:

  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-11-2007 02:29 >>>
The following code is a simple solution, I thought, to displaying the last 
item on a page in the page header section. I've dropped in a few Debug 
statements to verify that the collection is storing and retrieving the right 
items, but the control always displays the first item on the page. I'm 
clueless -- I have no idea what's happening here.

Basically, during the first pass (I'm using the report Pages property to 
force a second formatting run), I'm storing the last item on each page --  
the value of txtFooterLast -- in a Collection object. That part works fine. 
Then, the report retrieves those values using the page number as the index 
value. The Debug statements verify that the right values are in the 
collection, however, txtHeaderLast doesn't display the results of 
col(Me.Page) -- it displays the first value on the page, not the value 
retrieved from the Collection. I just don't have any explanation.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Dim col As New Collection


Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Debug.Print Me.Page
  Debug.Print col(Me.Page)
  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
  Debug.Print Me.txtHeaderLast.Value
End Sub

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast, CStr(Me.Page)
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub Report_Close()
  Set col = Nothing
End Sub 





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 06:41:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:41:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] report control not displaying right value
References: <s7319415.099@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003d01c8213b$99d1a6e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I've put it everywhere, but I'll try again, just in case! ;)

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
>
> Have you tried moving this line to the OnPrint event:
>
>  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-11-2007 02:29 >>>
> The following code is a simple solution, I thought, to displaying the last
> item on a page in the page header section. I've dropped in a few Debug
> statements to verify that the collection is storing and retrieving the 
> right
> items, but the control always displays the first item on the page. I'm
> clueless -- I have no idea what's happening here.
>
> Basically, during the first pass (I'm using the report Pages property to
> force a second formatting run), I'm storing the last item on each page --
> the value of txtFooterLast -- in a Collection object. That part works 
> fine.
> Then, the report retrieves those values using the page number as the index
> value. The Debug statements verify that the right values are in the
> collection, however, txtHeaderLast doesn't display the results of
> col(Me.Page) -- it displays the first value on the page, not the value
> retrieved from the Collection. I just don't have any explanation.
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Dim col As New Collection
>
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As
> Integer)
>  Debug.Print Me.Page
>  Debug.Print col(Me.Page)
>  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
>  Debug.Print Me.txtHeaderLast.Value
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As
> Integer)
>  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
>  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
>  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast, CStr(Me.Page)
>  End If
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub Report_Close()
>  Set col = Nothing
> End Sub
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 06:41:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:41:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have you 
seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
>    For displaying the first and last items of report's detail section in 
> its page header as well as footer, you have used four unbound text boxes 
> as follows:
>
>    (a) Page Header section:  TxtHeaderFirst and TxtHeaderLast
>    (b) Page Footer section:  TxtFooterFirst and TxtFooterLast
>
>    Assignment of values to TxtHeaderLast, located in page header section 
> involves backward reference and therefore requires pre-building of array 
> based upon first pass of formatting. For ensuring a complete prior cycle 
> of formatting, you have correctly placed a calculated textbox having 
> [Pages] as a component of its expression.
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, should get you the 
> desired results. Title is the name of control in detail section, whose 
> first & last values are required to be displayed in page header & footer.
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
> Sample code in report's module
> '=================================
> ' Declarations section
> ' Report level global array variable
> Private ArLastVal() As String
> '--------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
>
>    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>        ArLastVal([Page]) = Me.Title
>        ReDim Preserve ArLastVal([Page] + 1)
>    End If
> End Sub
> '--------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtHeaderLast = ArLastVal([Page])
> End Sub
> '--------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub Report_Open(Cancel As Integer)
>    ReDim Preserve ArLastVal(1)
> End Sub
> '=================================
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 01:21
>  Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I have four unbound text controls -- two in the header and two in the
>  footer -- to display the first and last items on each page.
>
>  I've got three of them working as follows:
>
>  I use the control's Control Source property to display the first item in 
> the
>  header and the last item in the footer. I use the following to update the
>  footer's first item.
>
>  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As
>  Integer)
>    'Store first item on page for footer.
>    Dim strFirst As String
>    strFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
>    Me.txtFooterFirst = strFirst
>  End Sub
>
>  I tried the following to update the header's last item, but it doesn't 
> work:
>
>  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As
>  Integer)
>    'Return last item on each page for header.
>    Dim strLast As String
>    strLast = Me.txtFooterLast
>    Me.txtHeaderLast = strLast
>  End Sub
>
>  The first page displays nothing and all subsequent pages display the last
>  item from the previous page, not the current page.
>
>  How do I grab the last item on the current page?
>
>  Susan H.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov  7 09:22:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:22:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
Message-ID: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I got my action pack the other day and now want to install Office 2007, just
for testing, but I do want to install Office Accounting 2007 (and actually
try to use it) and am wondering if anyone is shouting "don't go there".  My
intention is to leave Office 2003 installed for development. Does anyone
have experience that would tell me not to do this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  7 10:00:56 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:00:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
In-Reply-To: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703C74@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

DON'T DO THAT!!  Is that loud enough?  I installed 2007 on my laptop and
came to regret it.  Office 2003 and Office 2007 installers do NOT like
each other, and the Office 2007 installer takes about 5 minutes to run
when you've opened 2003 last.  The 2003 installer does the same thing if
you opened 2007 last, but at least it doesn't take so long.  Outlook
2007 is OK and the least like the rest of Office 2007 insofar as menus,
etc.  If you want to install it, do it on a virtual PC, which I didn't
do from lack of warning.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007

I got my action pack the other day and now want to install Office 2007,
just for testing, but I do want to install Office Accounting 2007 (and
actually try to use it) and am wondering if anyone is shouting "don't go
there".  My intention is to leave Office 2003 installed for development.
Does anyone have experience that would tell me not to do this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 10:01:21 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:01:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
In-Reply-To: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711070801n78e865c9g765f2cbaed5318d8@mail.gmail.com>

Yes. Put it on a different system would be my recommendation. They
don't play well together. Outlook will definately not work in multiple
versions on the same system. The other Office 2007 apps will cause a
"install" step every time you try to open something in the 2003
version. If you have another system to play with the Office 2007 stuff
on I would load them there instead of on your primary system.

GK

On 11/7/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got my action pack the other day and now want to install Office 2007, just
> for testing, but I do want to install Office Accounting 2007 (and actually
> try to use it) and am wondering if anyone is shouting "don't go there".  My
> intention is to leave Office 2003 installed for development. Does anyone
> have experience that would tell me not to do this?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 10:19:28 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:19:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
References: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703C74@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003801c82159$f9e7e7b0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Yep.
Every time I try to instantiate a new database in code,
it says "Can't create object" because of the installer.
My COM addins won't work the first time!
Arrgh!!!

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007


> DON'T DO THAT!!  Is that loud enough?  I installed 2007 on my laptop and
> came to regret it.  Office 2003 and Office 2007 installers do NOT like
> each other, and the Office 2007 installer takes about 5 minutes to run
> when you've opened 2003 last.  The 2003 installer does the same thing if
> you opened 2007 last, but at least it doesn't take so long.  Outlook
> 2007 is OK and the least like the rest of Office 2007 insofar as menus,
> etc.  If you want to install it, do it on a virtual PC, which I didn't
> do from lack of warning.
>
> Charlotte Foust



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov  7 10:23:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:23:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711070801n78e865c9g765f2cbaed5318d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711070801n78e865c9g765f2cbaed5318d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004801c8215a$90f94e50$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Thanks Gary and Charlotte,

Two votes against is enough for me.  I do have a server I can throw it on
and will do that. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007

Yes. Put it on a different system would be my recommendation. They don't
play well together. Outlook will definately not work in multiple versions on
the same system. The other Office 2007 apps will cause a "install" step
every time you try to open something in the 2003 version. If you have
another system to play with the Office 2007 stuff on I would load them there
instead of on your primary system.

GK

On 11/7/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got my action pack the other day and now want to install Office 
> 2007, just for testing, but I do want to install Office Accounting 
> 2007 (and actually try to use it) and am wondering if anyone is 
> shouting "don't go there".  My intention is to leave Office 2003 
> installed for development. Does anyone have experience that would tell me
not to do this?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


--
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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Wed Nov  7 11:50:13 2007
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:50:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report
Message-ID: <044e01c82166$a64ec4e0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>

I have created a crosstab report which contains 14 columns of data.  If the underlying crosstab query yields more than 14 columns, I want to add a new page to display the remaining columns.  The data on the report is populated via code using a recordset based on the crosstab query. 

I am currently reading through the recordset and populating 14 columns of data, then doing a page break, an "rs.Movefirst", then reading thru the recordset extracting data beginning in the 15th column.   However, the Detail Format and Print events do not fire.

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  7 13:43:44 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:43:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report
In-Reply-To: <044e01c82166$a64ec4e0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>
References: <044e01c82166$a64ec4e0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W16BD5B07CBCD842A8D4C11D28A0@phx.gbl>


Hi Barb,

It sounds like your 15th column is the same record as your first 14...can you put a page break in the middle of a record?

Could you move your 15th(or more) columns off the page to the right...forcing a new page when printed or viewed?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

> From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:50:13 -0500
> Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report
>
> I have created a crosstab report which contains 14 columns of data. If the underlying crosstab query yields more than 14 columns, I want to add a new page to display the remaining columns. The data on the report is populated via code using a recordset based on the crosstab query.
>
> I am currently reading through the recordset and populating 14 columns of data, then doing a page break, an "rs.Movefirst", then reading thru the recordset extracting data beginning in the 15th column. However, the Detail Format and Print events do not fire.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Nov  7 14:32:20 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:32:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322035B523C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a form on which the user clicks a button to see 90 days worth of
data from a source table. When the button is clicked a query runs that
puts 90 days worth of data in a table. Another form then opens and
displays this data. On the top of the form are two text boxes. One text
box contains the start date of the data and the other the end date of
the data. These boxes can be edited allowing the user to see some time
interval of data other than 90 days. When the date is changed in the
text box code attempts to run a query to update the table the displayed
data is based on. The query will not run though because the table is
open. I could use some ideas on how to do this. Thanks.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 15:02:02 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:02:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322035B523C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322035B523C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711071302w209588acu7f7c838e32004fdd@mail.gmail.com>

Instead of running a query to update the table, change the recordsource of
the form and/or its filterBy. I have used this approach several times and it
works very well.

A.

On 11/7/07, Kaup, Chester <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
>
> I have a form on which the user clicks a button to see 90 days worth of
> data from a source table. When the button is clicked a query runs that
> puts 90 days worth of data in a table. Another form then opens and
> displays this data. On the top of the form are two text boxes. One text
> box contains the start date of the data and the other the end date of
> the data. These boxes can be edited allowing the user to see some time
> interval of data other than 90 days. When the date is changed in the
> text box code attempts to run a query to update the table the displayed
> data is based on. The query will not run though because the table is
> open. I could use some ideas on how to do this. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Chester Kaup
>
> Engineering Technician
>
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
> Office (432) 688-3797
>
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Nov  7 15:03:05 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:03:05 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED730F@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Chester,

Instead of copying the data from the source table to another table, just use
the source table itself and apply a filter to the form so only the selected
time period is displayed.

Lambert

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Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?


I have a form on which the user clicks a button to see 90 days worth of data
from a source table. When the button is clicked a query runs that puts 90
days worth of data in a table. Another form then opens and displays this
data. On the top of the form are two text boxes. One text box contains the
start date of the data and the other the end date of the data. These boxes
can be edited allowing the user to see some time interval of data other than
90 days. When the date is changed in the text box code attempts to run a
query to update the table the displayed data is based on. The query will not
run though because the table is open. I could use some ideas on how to do
this. Thanks.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From jengross at gte.net  Wed Nov  7 15:38:51 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:38:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002101c82186$9bbbf5a0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Rocky,

I have used the Wise/SageKey combination since Access 97.  I have always
been more than happy with this combination.  I would be interested to
find out if you find a reason to switch.

Jennifer

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers


Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad,
particularly Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rocky
 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Nov  7 16:42:10 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:42:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED730F@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED730F@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322035B5383@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

This is my experience using the filter property in code. It works great.
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to update form source?

Chester,

Instead of copying the data from the source table to another table, just
use
the source table itself and apply a filter to the form so only the
selected
time period is displayed.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?


I have a form on which the user clicks a button to see 90 days worth of
data
from a source table. When the button is clicked a query runs that puts
90
days worth of data in a table. Another form then opens and displays this
data. On the top of the form are two text boxes. One text box contains
the
start date of the data and the other the end date of the data. These
boxes
can be edited allowing the user to see some time interval of data other
than
90 days. When the date is changed in the text box code attempts to run a
query to update the table the displayed data is based on. The query will
not
run though because the table is open. I could use some ideas on how to
do
this. Thanks.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov  7 23:12:09 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:42:09 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report
References: <044e01c82166$a64ec4e0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>
Message-ID: <013e01c821c6$126306a0$0100007f@personalec1122>

Barb,

    You can try the following:

    1 - Place adequate number of extra unbound text boxes so as to cover maximum likely columns over and above 14. These text boxes should normally be in a hidden state and can all be overlapping, located at left edge of the report.

    2 - Depending upon the actual number of extra columns (beyond 14) in the record source, unhide the required number of text boxes, assign appropriate control source and move these to suitable positions at right of report, by manipulating the Left & Top properties. Starting reference would be Left value for last text box (representing 14th column) + Width of this text box + suitable margin (in twips).

    With above measures, the report will generate extra pages as required on account of additional columns.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barbara Ryan 
  To: Access List 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 23:20
  Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report


  I have created a crosstab report which contains 14 columns of data.  If the underlying crosstab query yields more than 14 columns, I want to add a new page to display the remaining columns.  The data on the report is populated via code using a recordset based on the crosstab query. 

  I am currently reading through the recordset and populating 14 columns of data, then doing a page break, an "rs.Movefirst", then reading thru the recordset extracting data beginning in the 15th column.   However, the Detail Format and Print events do not fire.

  What am I missing?

  Thanks,
  Barb Ryan

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  8 05:09:47 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:09:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos
Message-ID: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>

Hi all

For those of still wondering if or how to start with Visual Studio, please note that a whole series of videos are readily available.

Visual Basic (quite close to VBA):
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/bb466226.aspx 

C# (recommended by several including me):
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022.aspx 

and many others subjects - including SQL Server - as well, see the right sidebar.

These videos are so short that you can keep your concentration up and turn any 15 minutes of spare time you may encounter into something useful!

/gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  8 05:24:44 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:24:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos
In-Reply-To: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>
References: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000901c821f9$f7377800$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Gustav,

Thanks for those pointers. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos

Hi all

For those of still wondering if or how to start with Visual Studio, please
note that a whole series of videos are readily available.

Visual Basic (quite close to VBA):
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/bb466226.aspx 

C# (recommended by several including me):
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022.aspx 

and many others subjects - including SQL Server - as well, see the right
sidebar.

These videos are so short that you can keep your concentration up and turn
any 15 minutes of spare time you may encounter into something useful!

/gustav


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Nov  8 08:53:57 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:53:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>
References: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFBE@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


That was weird. Is the cat's name d?j? vu?
Jim Hale 

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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  8 09:09:34 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:09:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s73334db.034@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

No, "it" is normally called (blush) Gustav ...

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 08-11-2007 15:53:57 >>>

That was weird. Is the cat's name d?j? vu?
Jim Hale 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 09:24:35 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:24:35 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <s73334db.034@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <01bc01c8221b$790b6370$8119fea9@LTVM>

Now, that is weird 'cos my dog is called.....wait for it....Max

Max

Mine looks like me....Does yours look like you?
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Hi Jim

No, "it" is normally called (blush) Gustav ...

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 08-11-2007 15:53:57 >>>

That was weird. Is the cat's name d?j? vu?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  8 09:37:46 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:37:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s7333b6d.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Some say yes, I'm not sure, but the miauw sounds the same!

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 08-11-2007 16:24:35 >>>
Now, that is weird 'cos my dog is called.....wait for it....Max

Max

Mine looks like me....Does yours look like you?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Hi Jim

No, "it" is normally called (blush) Gustav ...

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 08-11-2007 15:53:57 >>>

That was weird. Is the cat's name d?j? vu?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav





From miscellany at mvps.org  Thu Nov  8 14:50:25 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:50:25 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos
In-Reply-To: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>
References: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <47337691.6040904@mvps.org>

Yep, 15 minutes is about my maximum concentration span too. :-)

Thanks a lot, Gustav, they look like a very good resource.

Regards
Steve

Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> For those of still wondering if or how to start with Visual Studio, please note that a whole series of videos are readily available.
> 
> Visual Basic (quite close to VBA):
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/bb466226.aspx 
> 
> C# (recommended by several including me):
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022.aspx 
> 
> and many others subjects - including SQL Server - as well, see the right sidebar.
> 
> These videos are so short that you can keep your concentration up and turn any 15 minutes of spare time you may encounter into something useful!
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 


From Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov  8 14:56:30 2007
From: Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:56:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos
In-Reply-To: <47337691.6040904@mvps.org>
References: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>,<47337691.6040904@mvps.org>
Message-ID: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B310814213D5F@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Been on a .NET Sharepoint course all week. Feels like my head is melting!!

Martin


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________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel [miscellany at mvps.org]
Sent: 08 November 2007 20:50
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos

Yep, 15 minutes is about my maximum concentration span too. :-)

Thanks a lot, Gustav, they look like a very good resource.

Regards
Steve

Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
>
> For those of still wondering if or how to start with Visual Studio, please note that a whole series of videos are readily available.
>
> Visual Basic (quite close to VBA):
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/bb466226.aspx
>
> C# (recommended by several including me):
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022.aspx
>
> and many others subjects - including SQL Server - as well, see the right sidebar.
>
> These videos are so short that you can keep your concentration up and turn any 15 minutes of spare time you may encounter into something useful!
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov  8 16:32:14 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:32:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
Message-ID: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  8 17:14:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:14:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000401c8225d$23c64b40$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I am running out the door but I will discuss JIT subforms when I get home
from dinner / theater. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Nov  8 17:37:12 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:37:12 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE (((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject = "sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client: " &
Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " & Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client: " &
Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " & Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach
Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Nov  8 18:03:46 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:03:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000801c82264$00674120$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

Rocky
...JC's JIT code was the first thing I bought when I was starting out in 
Access ...he was still living in Pueblo, Mexico back then ...we had many an 
AccessD discussion about which was the best way to do this ...anyway, he 
used to keep a copy on his website (which is stll a disaster area) but I 
can't find it now ...so I zipped a code library copy I have of his code, an 
A2k3 version, and sent it to you offline.
William
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms


> JC:
>
> I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
> sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
> unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
> wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
>
> I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
> loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
> combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until 
> they're
> clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - 
> store
> the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
> activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but 
> I'm
> not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
> sub-forms.
>
> How did you solve the problem?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov  8 19:19:00 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:19:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE (((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1)
AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  8 21:35:48 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:35:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90>

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE (((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1)
AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov  8 22:40:09 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:40:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and subforms to
JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The reocrdsource for
the main form is retrieving all the records and the navigation buttons are
at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the client if users would really
use those buttons to move from one record to another.  I'm thinking not.  In
which case  retrieving one record might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE (((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1)
AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Fri Nov  9 01:49:16 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:19:16 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122> <003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>

    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution as an alternative.

    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are contributing to the problem:

    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections. Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, it becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.

    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly using Page Header for this purpose.

    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).

    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

Code in report's module
'==================================
' Declarations section
Private col As New Collection
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    
    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
    
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
    End If
    
    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
    '                collection, Value property of the control
    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
    '                it will become a collection of control
    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
    '                leading to weird results.
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Report_Close()
    Set col = Nothing
End Sub
'==================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have you 
  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?

  Susan H.

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 06:11:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:11:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001801c822c9$a3fc7020$6c7aa8c0@M90>

And in the end that is what I had to do, retrieve only one record.  That is
the superior solution for any large table. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and subforms to
JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The reocrdsource for
the main form is retrieving all the records and the navigation buttons are
at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the client if users would really
use those buttons to move from one record to another.  I'm thinking not.  In
which case  retrieving one record might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 06:16:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:16:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
In-Reply-To: <004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <001901c822ca$4bd900b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

A.D.

An array can store a control just as easily.  And yes, you need to be aware
of what you are storing, since if you store a control a number of things can
occur that can be confusing.  For example, if you store a control, the value
of the control can change between when you stored that control and when you
use it, and in fact can continue to change as long as the collection is
stored.  OTOH, if you store the control's VALUE then that value is captured
in time, and while the control may continue to change, it's value back when
it was stored will still be available.  It really depends on what you need
to do, but you definitely need to keep this in mind.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page

    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based
solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution as
an alternative.

    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out
collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea
what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are
contributing to the problem:

    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections.
Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to
what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, it
becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of
control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.

    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last
record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly using
Page Header for this purpose.

    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to
txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report
execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next page.
This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last values in
forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making such an
assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, building
up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).

    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection
based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast,
TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is
the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are
required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can
substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

Code in report's module
'==================================
' Declarations section
Private col As New Collection
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    
    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
    
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
    End If
    
    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
    '                collection, Value property of the control
    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
    '                it will become a collection of control
    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
    '                leading to weird results.
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page)) End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Report_Close()
    Set col = Nothing
End Sub
'==================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Susan Harkins
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have
you
  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?

  Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 07:55:52 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:55:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <009601c822d8$c937b250$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Thanks -- I'll see if anything here resolves this.

I'm interested in a collection because I think, it is an easier solution for 
the average user. Arrays can be difficult for the average user to apply to 
their own work. A collection, used in this manner, won't require any special 
attention from the user.

Of course, if I can't get it to work, how much easier can it be????????? ;)

Susan H.



>    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based 
> solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution 
> as an alternative.
>
>    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out 
> collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea 
> what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are 
> contributing to the problem:
>
>    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections. 
> Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to 
> what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, 
> it becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of 
> control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.
>
>    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last 
> record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
> using Page Header for this purpose.
>
>    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to 
> txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report 
> execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
> page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last 
> values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making 
> such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
> building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection 
> based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, 
> TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is 
> the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are 
> required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can 
> substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
> Code in report's module
> '==================================
> ' Declarations section
> Private col As New Collection
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>
>    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
>
>    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
>    End If
>
>    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
>    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
>    '                collection, Value property of the control
>    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
>    '                it will become a collection of control
>    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
>    '                leading to weird results.
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub Report_Close()
>    Set col = Nothing
> End Sub
> '==================================
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have 
> you
>  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?
>
>  Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 07:59:41 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:59:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
	<001901c822ca$4bd900b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009701c822d8$ca3dfec0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I'm storing the value and the page number, and both are correct and in 
synch. The value that the text box is actually the last item from the 
previous page, not the current page, so there seems to be some discrepancy 
between page number and value between the time those values are retrieved 
and the time the code actually displays the value. The values are correct, 
they're just being applied incorrectly. A.D.'s comment about using the wrong 
events might be the answer I need.

Susan H.

> A.D.
>
> An array can store a control just as easily.  And yes, you need to be 
> aware
> of what you are storing, since if you store a control a number of things 
> can
> occur that can be confusing.  For example, if you store a control, the 
> value
> of the control can change between when you stored that control and when 
> you
> use it, and in fact can continue to change as long as the collection is
> stored.  OTOH, if you store the control's VALUE then that value is 
> captured
> in time, and while the control may continue to change, it's value back 
> when
> it was stored will still be available.  It really depends on what you need
> to do, but you definitely need to keep this in mind.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:49 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based
> solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution 
> as
> an alternative.
>
>    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out
> collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea
> what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are
> contributing to the problem:
>
>    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections.
> Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to
> what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, 
> it
> becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of
> control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.
>
>    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last
> record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
> using
> Page Header for this purpose.
>
>    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to
> txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report
> execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
> page.
> This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last values in
> forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making such an
> assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
> building
> up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection
> based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast,
> TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is
> the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are
> required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can
> substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
> Code in report's module
> '==================================
> ' Declarations section
> Private col As New Collection
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>
>    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
>
>    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
>    End If
>
>    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
>    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
>    '                collection, Value property of the control
>    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
>    '                it will become a collection of control
>    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
>    '                leading to weird results.
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page)) End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub Report_Close()
>    Set col = Nothing
> End Sub
> '==================================
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have
> you
>  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?
>
>  Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 08:56:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:56:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <002b01c822e0$ae5fc5f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

A.D., you are a genius -- you are right, I had the code right, just 
executing it in reverse!

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel As Integer, PrintCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
End Sub

Private Sub Report_Close()
  Set col = Nothing
End Sub

It's working perfectly now -- thank you A.D. I was going to rearrange things 
this morning, after sleeping on the problem last night, but your message 
helped a lot. I would've been working purely on speculation and you gave me 
a map. ;)

Now, I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but I think this is much 
simpler than the more common array solution.

Susan H.

>    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last 
> record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
> using Page Header for this purpose.
>
>    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to 
> txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report 
> execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
> page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last 
> values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making 
> such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
> building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection 
> based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, 
> TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is 
> the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are 
> required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can 
> substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
>
> A.D.Tejpal



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 09:36:45 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:36:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Small correction to the previous code I posted -- I had to move the 
Me.txtFooterFirst statement back to the PageHeaderSection event.

Susan H.

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  'Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel As Integer, PrintCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
End Sub

Private Sub Report_Close()
  Set col = Nothing
End Sub



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A.D.TEJPAL" <adtp at airtelbroadband.in>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "A.D.TEJPAL" <adtejpal at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


>    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based 
> solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution 
> as an alternative.
>
>    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out 
> collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea 
> what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are 
> contributing to the problem:
>
>    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections. 
> Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to 
> what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, 
> it becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of 
> control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.
>
>    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last 
> record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
> using Page Header for this purpose.
>
>    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to 
> txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report 
> execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
> page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last 
> values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making 
> such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
> building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection 
> based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, 
> TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is 
> the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are 
> required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can 
> substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
> Code in report's module
> '==================================
> ' Declarations section
> Private col As New Collection
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>
>    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
>
>    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
>    End If
>
>    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
>    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
>    '                collection, Value property of the control
>    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
>    '                it will become a collection of control
>    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
>    '                leading to weird results.
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub Report_Close()
>    Set col = Nothing
> End Sub
> '==================================
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have 
> you
>  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?
>
>  Susan H.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov  9 09:45:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:45:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Rocky,

If you bind just subforms, not the main form, you solve that problem.
Basically, all you need in the main form is the fields to link to,
although, they don't have to be in bound controls, so you could populate
them from code for each tab.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and
subforms to JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The
reocrdsource for the main form is retrieving all the records and the
navigation buttons are at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the
client if users would really use those buttons to move from one record
to another.  I'm thinking not.  In which case  retrieving one record
might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I
leave them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos
on the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be
a problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need
more than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can
do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case
for each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and
easy to manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE
(((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for
the clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General
Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over
a wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?
The combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until
they're clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was
activated - store the row source in the tag and load it if it's not
there.  But there's no activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is
a mouse move event but I'm not sure that will do  to trigger loading of
the Row Source and the sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 10:10:25 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:10:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Charlotte,

I don't understand what you are saying here.  What problem are you solving?

Binding the subforms before they are actually viewed causes the form to slow
down as it loads all of the subforms and their respective controls, even
though the user may in fact never visit the subforms (that tab).  

So leave the subform controls with no source object (form name) until the
tab is clicked on (JIT subforms).
Now in the query for the main form just specify a filter for the PKID of the
parent object, claimID if the form displays claims,  CustomerID if the form
displays customers etc.

By feeding the query one specific PKID it will pull only that one record for
the main form.  The subforms on the tabs do not load until the tab is
clicked.  That is about as fast as you are going to get to actually load the
form and its data.

So what are you saying?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Rocky,

If you bind just subforms, not the main form, you solve that problem.
Basically, all you need in the main form is the fields to link to, although,
they don't have to be in bound controls, so you could populate them from
code for each tab.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and subforms to
JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The reocrdsource for
the main form is retrieving all the records and the navigation buttons are
at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the client if users would really
use those buttons to move from one record to another.  I'm thinking not.  In
which case  retrieving one record might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can
do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE
(((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?
The combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until
they're clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated
- store the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But
there's no activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move
event but I'm not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source
and the sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov  9 11:34:46 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:34:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
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I'm not suggesting binding subforms until they're loaded, John.  I don't
do that either.  I'm saying you don't need a full dataset behind the
parent form if all your subforms are going to be bound WHEN THEY'RE
LOADED.  You can get by with a snapshot of the key fields at most.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Charlotte,

I don't understand what you are saying here.  What problem are you
solving?

Binding the subforms before they are actually viewed causes the form to
slow down as it loads all of the subforms and their respective controls,
even though the user may in fact never visit the subforms (that tab).  

So leave the subform controls with no source object (form name) until
the tab is clicked on (JIT subforms).
Now in the query for the main form just specify a filter for the PKID of
the parent object, claimID if the form displays claims,  CustomerID if
the form displays customers etc.

By feeding the query one specific PKID it will pull only that one record
for the main form.  The subforms on the tabs do not load until the tab
is clicked.  That is about as fast as you are going to get to actually
load the form and its data.

So what are you saying?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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Foust
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Rocky,

If you bind just subforms, not the main form, you solve that problem.
Basically, all you need in the main form is the fields to link to,
although, they don't have to be in bound controls, so you could populate
them from code for each tab.

Charlotte Foust 

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at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and
subforms to JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The
reocrdsource for the main form is retrieving all the records and the
navigation buttons are at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the
client if users would really use those buttons to move from one record
to another.  I'm thinking not.  In which case  retrieving one record
might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I
leave them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos
on the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be
a problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need
more than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can
do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case
for each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and
easy to manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE
(((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for
the clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General
Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over
a wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?
The combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until
they're clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was
activated
- store the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But
there's no activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move
event but I'm not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row
Source and the sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov  9 11:56:16 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:56:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CDC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90>
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Message-ID: <003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm not suggesting binding subforms until they're loaded, John.  I don't do
that either.  I'm saying you don't need a full dataset behind the parent
form if all your subforms are going to be bound WHEN THEY'RE LOADED.  You
can get by with a snapshot of the key fields at most.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Charlotte,

I don't understand what you are saying here.  What problem are you solving?

Binding the subforms before they are actually viewed causes the form to slow
down as it loads all of the subforms and their respective controls, even
though the user may in fact never visit the subforms (that tab).  

So leave the subform controls with no source object (form name) until the
tab is clicked on (JIT subforms).
Now in the query for the main form just specify a filter for the PKID of the
parent object, claimID if the form displays claims,  CustomerID if the form
displays customers etc.

By feeding the query one specific PKID it will pull only that one record for
the main form.  The subforms on the tabs do not load until the tab is
clicked.  That is about as fast as you are going to get to actually load the
form and its data.

So what are you saying?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Rocky,

If you bind just subforms, not the main form, you solve that problem.
Basically, all you need in the main form is the fields to link to, although,
they don't have to be in bound controls, so you could populate them from
code for each tab.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and subforms to
JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The reocrdsource for
the main form is retrieving all the records and the navigation buttons are
at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the client if users would really
use those buttons to move from one record to another.  I'm thinking not.  In
which case  retrieving one record might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can
do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE
(((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?
The combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until
they're clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated
- store the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But
there's no activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move
event but I'm not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source
and the sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 12:15:41 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:15:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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I think so.  What I do is set one of my 

fltr "ClientID", someClientID

and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the source
query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single record.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

Rocky



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov  9 12:36:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:36:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
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So then you can't be opening the form with the record source set, yes?
Because it's likely to execute before you put the filter in the filter in
the ClientID field. So are you setting the Record Source after putting the
filter into ClientID?

And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record Source in the
open (or maybe load?) event and adding the WHERE clause based on the record
ID that you want to fetch?

Rocky



 	
	

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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I think so.  What I do is set one of my 

fltr "ClientID", someClientID

and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the source
query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single record.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov  9 12:48:00 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:48:00 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <01fd01c82301$10c95ab0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>

What you might want to do Rocky is set the form's recordsource to something
wich returns no records, eg WHERE Keyfield=-1. Then you can manipulate the
Recordsource when you want to select  record or move back and forth, knowing
that initially you'll get no records.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 09 November 2007 18:36
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> 
> So then you can't be opening the form with the record source 
> set, yes? Because it's likely to execute before you put the 
> filter in the filter in the ClientID field. So are you 
> setting the Record Source after putting the filter into ClientID?
> 
> And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record 
> Source in the open (or maybe load?) event and adding the 
> WHERE clause based on the record ID that you want to fetch?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> I think so.  What I do is set one of my 
> 
> fltr "ClientID", someClientID
> 
> and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) 
> of the source query for the form to cause the form to filter 
> down to a single record.
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not 
> in subforms but scattered throughout the multiple tabs.
> 
> I think we're going for the one record or very few records  
> approach by modifying the Record Source on the fly rather 
> than using form filters as it is now.  Hopefully that reduces 
> what's coming over the wire.
> 
> Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do 
> all the records come over anyway and access just makes the 
> filtered subset available to the form?
> 
> Rocky
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov  9 12:54:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:54:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
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References: <005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<01fd01c82301$10c95ab0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
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Capital idea!

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

What you might want to do Rocky is set the form's recordsource to something
wich returns no records, eg WHERE Keyfield=-1. Then you can manipulate the
Recordsource when you want to select  record or move back and forth, knowing
that initially you'll get no records.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 09 November 2007 18:36
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> 
> So then you can't be opening the form with the record source set, yes? 
> Because it's likely to execute before you put the filter in the filter 
> in the ClientID field. So are you setting the Record Source after 
> putting the filter into ClientID?
> 
> And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record Source 
> in the open (or maybe load?) event and adding the WHERE clause based 
> on the record ID that you want to fetch?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> I think so.  What I do is set one of my
> 
> fltr "ClientID", someClientID
> 
> and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the 
> source query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single 
> record.
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in 
> subforms but scattered throughout the multiple tabs.
> 
> I think we're going for the one record or very few records approach by 
> modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters 
> as it is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.
> 
> Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the 
> records come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset 
> available to the form?
> 
> Rocky
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 14:09:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:09:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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	<005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Nope, the code that opens the form sets the filter, then opens the form.  In
this kind of situation you will always be selecting some item (claim, person
etc) so the code that selects that person then sets the filter and opens the
form.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

So then you can't be opening the form with the record source set, yes?
Because it's likely to execute before you put the filter in the filter in
the ClientID field. So are you setting the Record Source after putting the
filter into ClientID?

And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record Source in the
open (or maybe load?) event and adding the WHERE clause based on the record
ID that you want to fetch?

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I think so.  What I do is set one of my 

fltr "ClientID", someClientID

and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the source
query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single record.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

Rocky

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov  9 14:47:37 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:47:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <003201c8230c$6dfd0fa0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CDC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002d01c822fc$8a618910$6c7aa8c0@M90><005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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John - I've been briefly following this thread.  Is this being done with an
Access BE or with a SQL Server BE?

If Access, how much improvement did you see?

Dan

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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Nope, the code that opens the form sets the filter, then opens the form.  In
this kind of situation you will always be selecting some item (claim, person
etc) so the code that selects that person then sets the filter and opens the
form.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

So then you can't be opening the form with the record source set, yes?
Because it's likely to execute before you put the filter in the filter in
the ClientID field. So are you setting the Record Source after putting the
filter into ClientID?

And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record Source in the
open (or maybe load?) event and adding the WHERE clause based on the record
ID that you want to fetch?

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I think so.  What I do is set one of my 

fltr "ClientID", someClientID

and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the source
query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single record.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

Rocky

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 15:13:18 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:13:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <003401c82311$c33f4960$0200a8c0@danwaters>
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Dan,

In fact the data store is not the issue, although in my experience an Access
data store is often faster than a SQL Server data store.  It really doesn't
matter however.  What you are trying to do in either case is to reduce the
data pulled.  This discussion is about two strategies, not related.  

1) Pull only one record for the main form
2) Use JIT subforms for the child records for the main form.  

These two strategies increase the speed ("feel") of the system for very
different reasons.  Pulling only one record for the main form obviously
increases the speed simply because the form will not open until a bunch of
records are pulled.  It does NOT wait for all of them but it does wait for
about 100 or so (if there are that many).  Thus by pulling just one, the
form opens as soon as that one record loads.

The JIT subforms increases the speed for a different reason, that being that
subforms populate before the main form.  Thus the main form has to wait for
all the subforms to populate before the main form populates and displays.
Obviously, the more subforms, the larger the gains of going to JIT subforms.

By implementing both of these strategies you can IN SOME INSTANCES decrease
the load time of the main form immensely.  In some cases the load time
decrease will not be noticeable.  It really depends on a number of factors
including the number of people in the database, the speed of the network and
amount of network traffic, the number of records being pulled in the main
form and the number of subforms.  It is therefore impossible to generalize
about how much it will help, but it will always help some amount. 

I can tell you that when both of these strategies were applied I dropped the
form open time of a VERY complex form with 25 users on a slow network on
slow machines from 15-25 seconds down to 3-7 seconds.  That is worth doing!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 3:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

John - I've been briefly following this thread.  Is this being done with an
Access BE or with a SQL Server BE?

If Access, how much improvement did you see?

Dan



From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Fri Nov  9 23:17:59 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:47:59 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122> 
	<002b01c822e0$ae5fc5f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <013401c82361$370678b0$0157a27a@personalec1122>

    You are most welcome Susan! Thanks for the generous compliment. Glad you could make a success of it.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 20:26
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  A.D., you are a genius -- you are right, I had the code right, just 
  executing it in reverse!

  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
  Integer)
    Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
    Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
      col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)
    End If
  End Sub

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel As Integer, PrintCount As 
  Integer)
    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
  End Sub

  Private Sub Report_Close()
    Set col = Nothing
  End Sub

  It's working perfectly now -- thank you A.D. I was going to rearrange things 
  this morning, after sleeping on the problem last night, but your message 
  helped a lot. I would've been working purely on speculation and you gave me 
  a map. ;)

  Now, I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but I think this is much 
  simpler than the more common array solution.

  Susan H.

  >    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last 
  > record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
  > using Page Header for this purpose.
  >
  >    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to 
  > txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report 
  > execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
  > page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last 
  > values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making 
  > such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
  > building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
  >
  >    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection 
  > based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, 
  > TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is 
  > the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are 
  > required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can 
  > substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
  >
  > A.D.Tejpal

From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Sat Nov 10 00:15:29 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:45:29 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
	<001901c822ca$4bd900b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <013501c82361$375052f0$0157a27a@personalec1122>

John,

    That is exactly the point. The requirement in this particular case was "point of time value as per flow of report execution". Hence the need for ensuring a collection of the then value held by the control and not the control object itself.

    Susan's objective was to store page-wise contents of TxtFooterLast (located in page footer) in a collection. With her original code, each element of this collection happened to become a pointer to the text box TxtFooterLast itself, even though Debug.Print statement did show the correct point of time value (as Value happens to be the default property of a text box control).

    For example, on a three page report, where TxtFooterLast displays "A", "B", "C" respectively on the three pages, the actual collection became:

    TxtFooterLast, TxtFooterLast, TxtFooterLast
    (instead of intended   "A", "B", "C"  as per Debug.Print statement)

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 17:46
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  A.D.

  An array can store a control just as easily.  And yes, you need to be aware
  of what you are storing, since if you store a control a number of things can
  occur that can be confusing.  For example, if you store a control, the value
  of the control can change between when you stored that control and when you
  use it, and in fact can continue to change as long as the collection is
  stored.  OTOH, if you store the control's VALUE then that value is captured
  in time, and while the control may continue to change, it's value back when
  it was stored will still be available.  It really depends on what you need
  to do, but you definitely need to keep this in mind.

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:49 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page

      You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based
  solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution as
  an alternative.

      In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out
  collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea
  what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are
  contributing to the problem:

      1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections.
  Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to
  what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, it
  becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of
  control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.

      2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last
  record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly using
  Page Header for this purpose.

      3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to
  txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report
  execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next page.
  This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last values in
  forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making such an
  assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, building
  up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).

      Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection
  based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast,
  TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is
  the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are
  required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can
  substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.

  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Code in report's module
  '==================================
  ' Declarations section
  Private col As New Collection
  '---------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
                      As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
      
      Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
      
      If Me.Pages = 0 Then
          col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
      End If
      
      ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
      '                In statement (A), while adding items to
      '                collection, Value property of the control
      '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
      '                it will become a collection of control
      '                objects (not the contents as intended),
      '                leading to weird results.
  End Sub
  '---------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
                      As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
      Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
      Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
  End Sub
  '---------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
                          As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
      Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page)) End Sub
  '---------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Report_Close()
      Set col = Nothing
  End Sub
  '==================================

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Susan Harkins
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


    I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have
  you
    seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?

    Susan H.

From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Sat Nov 10 07:13:51 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:43:51 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122> 
	<00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122>

    In your code, second statement in page footer's format event is also redundant. The real assignment for txtHeaderLast is taking place in page header's print event. First two lines of existing code block can be removed. The only portion required in page footer's format event is the block of three lines meant to build up the collection.

    In page header's print event, while retrieving information from collection object, you have used number argument, which returns values as per index position in collection. This method does not take advantage of key strings that you have embedded (via CStr(Me.Page) as the second argument) while adding to the collection. Though in the present case, your results are not affected (being a simple situation), it is considered preferable in the interest of greater reliability to retrieve values using key (where available) instead of number index (specially if the collection is likely to get disturbed for some reason). Second statement in page header's print event would then become:

    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))

    On the other hand, if you wish to continue using number index, it is not necessary to provide the second argument (for key string) in collection's Add method. The existing statement in page footer's format event would then become:

    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 21:06
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  Small correction to the previous code I posted -- I had to move the 
  Me.txtFooterFirst statement back to the PageHeaderSection event.

  Susan H.

  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
  Integer)
    'Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
    Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
      col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)
    End If
  End Sub

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel As Integer, PrintCount As 
  Integer)
    Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
  End Sub

  Private Sub Report_Close()
    Set col = Nothing
  End Sub

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov 10 07:18:51 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:18:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Security Patches - Not Included in Office
	Update
Message-ID: <001101c8239c$3cff6520$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Tony Toews is reporting on his blog that Access 2000 Security Patches are
NOT automatically included with Office Update.

But he does describe how to get them:

http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/archive/2007/11/09/access-2000-security-patch
es.aspx

(Watch Wrap)


Dan Waters



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 08:33:49 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:33:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
	<00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>




>    In your code, second statement in page footer's format event is also 
> redundant. The real assignment for txtHeaderLast is taking place in page 
> header's print event. First two lines of existing code block can be 
> removed. The only portion required in page footer's format event is the 
> block of three lines meant to build up the collection.

======Oh, you're right. I think that's just a residual from my original 
attempt and I did a bad job of cleaning up. Thanks for pointing that out.
>
>    In page header's print event, while retrieving information from 
> collection object, you have used number argument, which returns values as 
> per index position in collection. This method does not take advantage of 
> key strings that you have embedded (via CStr(Me.Page) as the second 
> argument) while adding to the collection. Though in the present case, your 
> results are not affected (being a simple situation), it is considered 
> preferable in the interest of greater reliability to retrieve values using 
> key (where available) instead of number index (specially if the collection 
> is likely to get disturbed for some reason). Second statement in page 
> header's print event would then become:
>
>    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
>
>    On the other hand, if you wish to continue using number index, it is 
> not necessary to provide the second argument (for key string) in 
> collection's Add method. The existing statement in page footer's format 
> event would then become:
>
>    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value

=======I don't understand what you're saying. I'm really sorry -- let me ask 
a few questions, so you don't have to repeat yourself. I do see the 
inconsistency now that you point it out -- I use CStr(Me.Page) to store that 
value as a string, as required by the Collection object, but then I used 
Me.Page to retrieve members -- so I think what you're saying is that the 
code isn't even using the Me.Page value to retrieve values? That's where I 
get lost. If not the Me.Page value, then what? Thanks for your help.

Susan H. 



From bheid at sc.rr.com  Sat Nov 10 16:21:23 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:21:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing
In-Reply-To: <003a01c820e9$19c48f00$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <003a01c820e9$19c48f00$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000f01c823e8$073444f0$159cced0$@rr.com>

John,

Did you ever get that scope that we talked about?  If so, which one?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing

I had good skies tonight and spent about an hour out looking at the north
east quadrant of the skies.  I went out specifically to see if I could find
the comet Holmes.  It turned out to be dead easy using Starry Nights.  The
program loads the location of comets and satellites and so forth so I was
able to print out a star chart with the location of Holmes.  It took all of
about 2 minutes to find it.  It is HUGE, although it is now growing so big
that it is really just a big ball of gas with a very slightly brighter
center area.  I dragged my son Robbie and my wife Mary out to see it.  Quite
cool.  

Of course it is also quite cold now (about 38 degrees out right now) so
Robbie and Mary quickly hurried back in the house.  I stayed out to try and
hunt down something else interesting.  Being totally new to this stuff I
have a lot of difficulty finding things, in fact even knowing where I am
looking.  I was trying to find the owl cluster and from there the little
dumbbell nebula M76 but was not able to do so.  I THINK I found the
Andromeda galaxy M31.  However looking at the chart now (inside the house) I
notice that there are three M objects m110, m32 and M31 quite close together
and I did not notice any other fuzzy in the immediate neighborhood so
perhaps I (once again) was not looking where I thought I was.  The area I
was looking at was close to directly over head, which makes using the finder
a pain.

Anyway, it was a fun evening.  I spent about an hour out there until my ears
were starting to get numb and it was time to pack it in.  Saturday the
"local" astronomy club is supposed to be meeting at a dark site, specific
location to be determined.  I hope to make it to the gathering.  My
telescope is an 8" DOB, an Orion Skyquest XT8 and it has a computerized
object locator, a "digital setting circle" which, if I could figure out how
to do the scope setup and calibration, would then allow me to "push to" just
about any object visible at my location.  I am hoping to get some
instruction on how to do this from club members Saturday night.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 10 18:15:16 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:15:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing
In-Reply-To: <000f01c823e8$073444f0$159cced0$@rr.com>
References: <003a01c820e9$19c48f00$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<000f01c823e8$073444f0$159cced0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <005901c823f7$f0bf6af0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I ended up buying a used 8" DOB Orion Intelliscope with digital setting
circles and a "push to" computer.  The computer will allow you to enter a
target object and push the scope manually.  The computer will count down to
zero as you get closer and closer.  When the computer reads 0,0 then you are
looking at the object.  I have yet to figure that out but I have used the
scope manually (without the computer). 

8" is nice, and it is easily luggable.  I would like to get a 10" or 12"
some day but it will be awhile, and I want to use what I have to get to know
the skies before I go looking at a bigger scope.  If I can Figure out the
computer then it will help me actually find some of the many available.  I
think I found Andromeda the other night.  


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing

John,

Did you ever get that scope that we talked about?  If so, which one?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing

I had good skies tonight and spent about an hour out looking at the north
east quadrant of the skies.  I went out specifically to see if I could find
the comet Holmes.  It turned out to be dead easy using Starry Nights.  The
program loads the location of comets and satellites and so forth so I was
able to print out a star chart with the location of Holmes.  It took all of
about 2 minutes to find it.  It is HUGE, although it is now growing so big
that it is really just a big ball of gas with a very slightly brighter
center area.  I dragged my son Robbie and my wife Mary out to see it.  Quite
cool.  

Of course it is also quite cold now (about 38 degrees out right now) so
Robbie and Mary quickly hurried back in the house.  I stayed out to try and
hunt down something else interesting.  Being totally new to this stuff I
have a lot of difficulty finding things, in fact even knowing where I am
looking.  I was trying to find the owl cluster and from there the little
dumbbell nebula M76 but was not able to do so.  I THINK I found the
Andromeda galaxy M31.  However looking at the chart now (inside the house) I
notice that there are three M objects m110, m32 and M31 quite close together
and I did not notice any other fuzzy in the immediate neighborhood so
perhaps I (once again) was not looking where I thought I was.  The area I
was looking at was close to directly over head, which makes using the finder
a pain.

Anyway, it was a fun evening.  I spent about an hour out there until my ears
were starting to get numb and it was time to pack it in.  Saturday the
"local" astronomy club is supposed to be meeting at a dark site, specific
location to be determined.  I hope to make it to the gathering.  My
telescope is an 8" DOB, an Orion Skyquest XT8 and it has a computerized
object locator, a "digital setting circle" which, if I could figure out how
to do the scope setup and calibration, would then allow me to "push to" just
about any object visible at my location.  I am hoping to get some
instruction on how to do this from club members Saturday night.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov 11 13:07:54 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:07:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
Message-ID: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility of
a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
different strings, and so on.

Is there a way out of this?

Thanks!
Dan




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 13:49:18 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:49:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
> that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility 
> of
> a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
> two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
> different strings, and so on.
>
> Is there a way out of this?

=========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
provide a simple example?

Susan H. 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov 11 14:10:08 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:10:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Susan,

If IsNull(txtA) then
	Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
		& " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
Else
	Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
		& " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
End If

Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields



> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
> that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility 
> of
> a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
> two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
> different strings, and so on.
>
> Is there a way out of this?

=========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
provide a simple example?

Susan H. 

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From jengross at gte.net  Sun Nov 11 14:41:33 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:41:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <007401c824a3$3f2b2340$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Dan,

Perhaps setting the Allow Nulls property of the field in the table to
true will work.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


Hi Susan,

If IsNull(txtA) then
	Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
		& " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
Else
	Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
		& " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC &
"')" End If

Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields



> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into 
> account that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one 
> possibility of a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different 
> strings, if there are two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to

> write and choose from 4 different strings, and so on.
>
> Is there a way out of this?

=========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
provide a simple example?

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 17:26:56 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:26:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Explanation of ! in Nz function
Message-ID: <008801c824ba$5c66b110$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Would someone please explain the use of the ! character in the following 
function:

Nz(!CustomerID)

I've never seen this before.

Susan H. 



From jengross at gte.net  Sun Nov 11 17:53:20 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:53:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Explanation of ! in Nz function
In-Reply-To: <008801c824ba$5c66b110$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <009b01c824be$0b6e18d0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Susan,

My guess is that it is wrapped inside of a With statement so that you
don't have to specifically indicate the name of the recordset.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:27 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Explanation of ! in Nz function


Would someone please explain the use of the ! character in the following

function:

Nz(!CustomerID)

I've never seen this before.

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 18:04:00 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:04:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Explanation of ! in Nz function
References: <009b01c824be$0b6e18d0$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <00c301c824bf$9f264ce0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OH! I hadn't thought of that -- thanks. I'm sure you're right. 

Susan H. 


> Hi Susan,
> 
> My guess is that it is wrapped inside of a With statement so that you
> don't have to specifically indicate the name of the recordset.



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 18:18:08 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:18:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00ce01c824c1$845721d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

INSERT INTO doesn't care if a value doesn't exist, it only cares about the 
placeholder. When txtA is empty, insert a zero-length string.

If IsNull(txtA) then txtA = ''

Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
& " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"

Susan H.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


> Hi Susan,
>
> If IsNull(txtA) then
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
> Else
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
> End If
>
> Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
>
>
>
>> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
>> that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility
>> of
>> a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
>> two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
>> different strings, and so on.
>>
>> Is there a way out of this?
>
> =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you
> provide a simple example?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov 11 18:49:30 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:49:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c824c1$845721d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00ce01c824c1$845721d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c824c5$e2cf41d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Thanks Susan!

I'll try this out.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

INSERT INTO doesn't care if a value doesn't exist, it only cares about the 
placeholder. When txtA is empty, insert a zero-length string.

If IsNull(txtA) then txtA = ''

Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
& " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"

Susan H.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


> Hi Susan,
>
> If IsNull(txtA) then
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
> Else
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
> End If
>
> Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
>
>
>
>> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
>> that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility
>> of
>> a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
>> two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
>> different strings, and so on.
>>
>> Is there a way out of this?
>
> =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you
> provide a simple example?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 18:55:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:55:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters><00ce01c824c1$845721d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000001c824c5$e2cf41d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <001601c824c6$af2c26d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Dan, just in case -- that placeholder -- '' is two single quotation marks, 
not one double quotation mark. I should've mentioned before.

Susan H.


> Thanks Susan!
>
> I'll try this out.
>
> Dan
>
> INSERT INTO doesn't care if a value doesn't exist, it only cares about the
> placeholder. When txtA is empty, insert a zero-length string.
>
> If IsNull(txtA) then txtA = ''
>
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
>
> Susan H.



From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Sun Nov 11 23:57:58 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:27:58 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122><00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanO
	ne><006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122> 
	<002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00bb01c824f1$07fb3100$bb57a27a@personalec1122>

    While using collection's Add method, second argument is optional and gets stored as the key for identifying the particular element. As a parallel, it is like the primary key value for a record.

    Let us presume that txtFooterLast displays "LV-1", "LV-2", "LV-3" and "LV-4" on page number 1 to 4 respectively. Your Add statement reads:

    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)

    This means that "1" to "4" get stored as the key string values for elements "LV-1" to "LV-4" respectively of the collection. In this state, the index position of the four elements is 1 to 4. The results fetched by the following two statements for page 3 will be identical:

    (a) Syntax: col(CStr(Me.Page)) - using key:  
          col("3") fetches "LV-3"

    (b) Syntax: col(Me.Page) - using index position:  
          col(3) also fetches "LV-3"

    If, for some reason (although not likely in this particular case), second element of collection were to be removed, and then re-added as "LLVV-2" with key "2" for page 2, the existing 3rd & 4th elements will move up to 2nd & 3rd positions respectively, while the newly added element "LLVV-2" will occupy the last i.e. fourth position (unless you take special care to specify its position in Add statement by making use of optional third & fourth arguments). 

    In this state, syntax as per (a) above, using key string will still fetch the correct value "LV-3" for page 3. However, with the other syntax as per (b) above, using index position, incorrect value of "LV-4" will get fetched for page 3. It is therefore considered a preferable practice to use key values (if available) for retrieving information from a collection. It is observed that you have already taken the trouble of embedding the key strings during Add process. That being so, better use it for retrieval (i.e. col(CStr(Me.Page))  in preference to  col(Me.Page)). Reverting to our parallel with a recordset, it is like using the primary key value rather than record number while locating a record.

    As mentioned earlier, your current exercise does not run the risk of collection once built, getting disturbed. As such, if you are particularly keen to keep everything absolutely simple, you can avoid using the second argument in Add method. That statement would become:

    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value

    And then you can continue to use the following statement for retrieval:

    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 20:03
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page

  >    In your code, second statement in page footer's format event is also 
  > redundant. The real assignment for txtHeaderLast is taking place in page 
  > header's print event. First two lines of existing code block can be 
  > removed. The only portion required in page footer's format event is the 
  > block of three lines meant to build up the collection.

  ======Oh, you're right. I think that's just a residual from my original 
  attempt and I did a bad job of cleaning up. Thanks for pointing that out.
  >
  >    In page header's print event, while retrieving information from 
  > collection object, you have used number argument, which returns values as 
  > per index position in collection. This method does not take advantage of 
  > key strings that you have embedded (via CStr(Me.Page) as the second 
  > argument) while adding to the collection. Though in the present case, your 
  > results are not affected (being a simple situation), it is considered 
  > preferable in the interest of greater reliability to retrieve values using 
  > key (where available) instead of number index (specially if the collection 
  > is likely to get disturbed for some reason). Second statement in page 
  > header's print event would then become:
  >
  >    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
  >
  >    On the other hand, if you wish to continue using number index, it is 
  > not necessary to provide the second argument (for key string) in 
  > collection's Add method. The existing statement in page footer's format 
  > event would then become:
  >
  >    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value

  =======I don't understand what you're saying. I'm really sorry -- let me ask 
  a few questions, so you don't have to repeat yourself. I do see the 
  inconsistency now that you point it out -- I use CStr(Me.Page) to store that 
  value as a string, as required by the Collection object, but then I used 
  Me.Page to retrieve members -- so I think what you're saying is that the 
  code isn't even using the Me.Page value to retrieve values? That's where I 
  get lost. If not the Me.Page value, then what? Thanks for your help.

  Susan H. 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 12 02:43:16 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:43:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
Message-ID: <s7382045.081@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

If your fields doesn't allow for zero length strings but do accept Nulls, you can use:

' Replace zero-length strings with 'Null' and wrap strings in quotes.
varA = IIf(Len(Nz(txtA), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtA & "'")
varB = IIf(Len(Nz(txtB), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtB & "'")
varC = IIf(Len(Nz(txtC), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtC & "'")

' Build SQL string with the word Null for empty variables.
Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
& " VALUES (" & varA & ", " & varB & ", " & varC & ")"

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 11-11-2007 20:07 >>>
Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility of
a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
different strings, and so on.

Is there a way out of this?

Thanks!
Dan




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 06:56:20 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:56:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122><00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne><006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122>
	<002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<00bb01c824f1$07fb3100$bb57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <008601c8252b$7254a330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I worked through this a little last night and you're right. I totally missed 
the logic there -- thanks. But I do have a question for you.


>    This means that "1" to "4" get stored as the key string values for 
> elements "LV-1" to "LV-4" respectively of the collection. In this state, 
> the index position of the four elements is 1 to 4. The results fetched by 
> the following two statements for page 3 will be identical:
>
>    (a) Syntax: col(CStr(Me.Page)) - using key:
>          col("3") fetches "LV-3"
>
>    (b) Syntax: col(Me.Page) - using index position:
>          col(3) also fetches "LV-3"
>
>    If, for some reason (although not likely in this particular case), 
> second element of collection were to be removed, and then re-added as 
> "LLVV-2" with key "2" for page 2, the existing 3rd & 4th elements will 
> move up to 2nd & 3rd positions respectively, while the newly added element 
> "LLVV-2" will occupy the last i.e. fourth position (unless you take 
> special care to specify its position in Add statement by making use of 
> optional third & fourth arguments).

======The whole point of using Me.Page as the key value was to make sure 
there was an identical match when I retrieved the value using Me.Page. I see 
where storing Me.Page as the key is unnecessary in this particular case. But 
wouldn't storing Me.Page as the key keep the above from happening? It sounds 
like the key value is retrieving by position and not by actual value?

Susan H. 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 12 07:44:56 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:44:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <s7382045.081@cactus.dk>
References: <s7382045.081@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000901c82532$365fa710$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Gustav,

This is interesting!  This looks like something of a syntax trick to build
the string you want.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

Hi Dan

If your fields doesn't allow for zero length strings but do accept Nulls,
you can use:

' Replace zero-length strings with 'Null' and wrap strings in quotes.
varA = IIf(Len(Nz(txtA), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtA & "'")
varB = IIf(Len(Nz(txtB), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtB & "'")
varC = IIf(Len(Nz(txtC), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtC & "'")

' Build SQL string with the word Null for empty variables.
Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
& " VALUES (" & varA & ", " & varB & ", " & varC & ")"

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 11-11-2007 20:07 >>>
Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility of
a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
different strings, and so on.

Is there a way out of this?

Thanks!
Dan


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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 12 07:53:41 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:23:41 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122><00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanO
	ne><006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122><002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b
	3a8343@SusanOne><00bb01c824f1$07fb3100$bb57a27a@personalec1122> 
	<008601c8252b$7254a330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <006501c82533$901eda40$9957a27a@personalec1122>

    If you do wish to pass the second argument (which is optional) to serve as key, it has to be a string. That is why you correctly used CStr(Me.Page) instead of mere Me.Page. For element pertaining to page 3, key becomes "3", while its index position (i.e. element number is 3). 

    If you retrieve by using col(Me.Page) for page 3, it translates to col(3). It gets you the third element in collection, irrespective of its key. If retrieval is made by using col(CStr(Me.Page)), it will translate to col("3") and get you the element having "3" as its key, irrespective of its position in the collection. In your particular case, being a simple undisturbed collection, the results in either case are identical.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 18:26
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  I worked through this a little last night and you're right. I totally missed 
  the logic there -- thanks. But I do have a question for you.


  >    This means that "1" to "4" get stored as the key string values for 
  > elements "LV-1" to "LV-4" respectively of the collection. In this state, 
  > the index position of the four elements is 1 to 4. The results fetched by 
  > the following two statements for page 3 will be identical:
  >
  >    (a) Syntax: col(CStr(Me.Page)) - using key:
  >          col("3") fetches "LV-3"
  >
  >    (b) Syntax: col(Me.Page) - using index position:
  >          col(3) also fetches "LV-3"
  >
  >    If, for some reason (although not likely in this particular case), 
  > second element of collection were to be removed, and then re-added as 
  > "LLVV-2" with key "2" for page 2, the existing 3rd & 4th elements will 
  > move up to 2nd & 3rd positions respectively, while the newly added element 
  > "LLVV-2" will occupy the last i.e. fourth position (unless you take 
  > special care to specify its position in Add statement by making use of 
  > optional third & fourth arguments).

  ======The whole point of using Me.Page as the key value was to make sure 
  there was an identical match when I retrieved the value using Me.Page. I see 
  where storing Me.Page as the key is unnecessary in this particular case. But 
  wouldn't storing Me.Page as the key keep the above from happening? It sounds 
  like the key value is retrieving by position and not by actual value?

  Susan H. 

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 08:08:26 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:08:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122><00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne><006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122><002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><00bb01c824f1$07fb3100$bb57a27a@personalec1122>
	<008601c8252b$7254a330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<006501c82533$901eda40$9957a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <001501c82535$8088c300$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OH!!!! I get it -- thanks so much A.P. -- that definitely clears things up 
for me.

Susan H.

>    If you do wish to pass the second argument (which is optional) to serve 
> as key, it has to be a string. That is why you correctly used 
> CStr(Me.Page) instead of mere Me.Page. For element pertaining to page 3, 
> key becomes "3", while its index position (i.e. element number is 3).
>
>    If you retrieve by using col(Me.Page) for page 3, it translates to 
> col(3). It gets you the third element in collection, irrespective of its 
> key. If retrieval is made by using col(CStr(Me.Page)), it will translate 
> to col("3") and get you the element having "3" as its key, irrespective of 
> its position in the collection. In your particular case, being a simple 
> undisturbed collection, the results in either case are identical.
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 18:26
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I worked through this a little last night and you're right. I totally 
> missed
>  the logic there -- thanks. But I do have a question for you.
>
>
>  >    This means that "1" to "4" get stored as the key string values for
>  > elements "LV-1" to "LV-4" respectively of the collection. In this 
> state,
>  > the index position of the four elements is 1 to 4. The results fetched 
> by
>  > the following two statements for page 3 will be identical:
>  >
>  >    (a) Syntax: col(CStr(Me.Page)) - using key:
>  >          col("3") fetches "LV-3"
>  >
>  >    (b) Syntax: col(Me.Page) - using index position:
>  >          col(3) also fetches "LV-3"
>  >
>  >    If, for some reason (although not likely in this particular case),
>  > second element of collection were to be removed, and then re-added as
>  > "LLVV-2" with key "2" for page 2, the existing 3rd & 4th elements will
>  > move up to 2nd & 3rd positions respectively, while the newly added 
> element
>  > "LLVV-2" will occupy the last i.e. fourth position (unless you take
>  > special care to specify its position in Add statement by making use of
>  > optional third & fourth arguments).
>
>  ======The whole point of using Me.Page as the key value was to make sure
>  there was an identical match when I retrieved the value using Me.Page. I 
> see
>  where storing Me.Page as the key is unnecessary in this particular case. 
> But
>  wouldn't storing Me.Page as the key keep the above from happening? It 
> sounds
>  like the key value is retrieving by position and not by actual value?
>
>  Susan H.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 09:11:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:11:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
Message-ID: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color of
a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a sub-form
but I don't think that's relevant.  
 
What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to do
this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 12 09:28:57 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:28:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
In-Reply-To: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001001c82540$be3afa50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Rocky,

In design view, the select the text box or combobox.
Go to conditional formatting.
Select 'Field has Focus'.
Select your background color.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

Dear List:
 
I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color of
a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a sub-form
but I don't think that's relevant.  
 
What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to do
this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 09:53:10 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:53:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
In-Reply-To: <001001c82540$be3afa50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001001c82540$be3afa50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <005c01c82544$2018d000$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dan:

It doesn't work because the field never gets the focus.  I did this on
another app and the way I did it was to put a text box on the detail
section, move to back and change the color of the text box when the record
got the focus. There's no conditional formatting of the detail section.

I was able to do this in an expression by comparing the Autonumber ID of the
current record with an invisible text box in the header section.  But it was
a simple bound form with no subforms.

That won't work in this case - the subform data is coming from another
table.  

There must be some trick to telling the conditional formatting to operate on
the current record only.  

Thanks and regards,

Rocky
 


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

Rocky,

In design view, the select the text box or combobox.
Go to conditional formatting.
Select 'Field has Focus'.
Select your background color.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

Dear List:
 
I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color of
a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a sub-form
but I don't think that's relevant.  
 
What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to do
this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 10:01:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:01:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] summing in a crosstab
Message-ID: <00b201c82545$3faa5dc0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I am doing a count like this
	10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 etc
AK
AL
AR
AZ

This is by state, by boat length.  However the user wants the boat lengths
grouped, i.e. a single column for 10-15, 15-20 etc. where I have summed the
counts for 10,11,12,13,14, and 15 and display that in a single column.  Is
this possible in a single query or am I going to have to go to a separate
query to sum the lengths by state and then add that in to the crosstab
somehow?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 12 10:15:41 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:15:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] summing in a crosstab
Message-ID: <s7388a60.005@cactus.dk>

Hi John

The "secret" function Partition (look up the on-line help) is what you are looking for.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 12-11-2007 17:01 >>>
I am doing a count like this
	10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 etc
AK
AL
AR
AZ

This is by state, by boat length.  However the user wants the boat lengths
grouped, i.e. a single column for 10-15, 15-20 etc. where I have summed the
counts for 10,11,12,13,14, and 15 and display that in a single column.  Is
this possible in a single query or am I going to have to go to a separate
query to sum the lengths by state and then add that in to the crosstab
somehow?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 12 12:06:10 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:36:10 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640
	$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00fd01c82556$e1d1b010$9557a27a@personalec1122>

Dan,

    As an interesting alternative with significant advantages, VALUES clause can be replaced by SELECT clause. Sample code in form's module, as given at (A) below, demonstrates this approach. If it happens to be a subform, the code given at (B) below would be applicable.

    With this technique, all your problems should stand resolved. Some of the advantages inherent in this method are:

    1 - While building the SQL string, you don't have to worry about data type.
    2 - If the source text box is blank, Null value gets inserted in the destination field (Required property set to No).
    3 - If there are any embedded quotes (whether single, double or various combinations of these) in the contents of source text box, the same get faithfully transferred to destination field without needing any special treatment. If such a task were to be implemented via VALUES clause, tedious prior fixing of such embedded quotes would have been necessary.

    Note - As form based parameters are involved, DoCmd.RunSQL method has been used instead of CurrentDb.Execute.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

A - Code in independent form's module
F_Main is the name of this form. TxtA, TxtB and 
TxtC are text boxes whose values are to be appended 
to fields A, B & C respectively in table T_Main. 
(T_Dummy is a single field single record table).
'=====================================
Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
    Dim Qst As String
    
    Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
            "SELECT Forms!F_Main!TxtA, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!TxtB, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!TxtC FROM T_Dummy;"
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
End Sub
'=====================================

B - Code in subform's module
F_Main is the name of parent form. SF_Sub is the
name of control serving as container for the subform.
Txt1, Txt2 and Txt3 are text boxes on the subform
whose values are to be appended to fields A, B & C
respectively in table T_Main. (T_Dummy is a single 
field single record table).
'=====================================
Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
    Dim Qst As String
    
    Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
            "SELECT Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt1, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt2, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt3 FROM T_Dummy;"
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan Waters 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 01:40
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


  Hi Susan,

  If IsNull(txtA) then
  Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
  & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
  Else
  Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
  & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
  End If

  Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

  > Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
  > that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility 
  > of a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
  > two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
  > different strings, and so on.
  >
  > Is there a way out of this?

  =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
  provide a simple example?

  Susan H.

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 12 12:34:50 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:34:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c82556$e1d1b010$9557a27a@personalec1122>
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00fd01c82556$e1d1b010$9557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <001c01c8255a$b62c73b0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hello A.D.

This is absolutely clever!

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

Dan,

    As an interesting alternative with significant advantages, VALUES clause
can be replaced by SELECT clause. Sample code in form's module, as given at
(A) below, demonstrates this approach. If it happens to be a subform, the
code given at (B) below would be applicable.

    With this technique, all your problems should stand resolved. Some of
the advantages inherent in this method are:

    1 - While building the SQL string, you don't have to worry about data
type.
    2 - If the source text box is blank, Null value gets inserted in the
destination field (Required property set to No).
    3 - If there are any embedded quotes (whether single, double or various
combinations of these) in the contents of source text box, the same get
faithfully transferred to destination field without needing any special
treatment. If such a task were to be implemented via VALUES clause, tedious
prior fixing of such embedded quotes would have been necessary.

    Note - As form based parameters are involved, DoCmd.RunSQL method has
been used instead of CurrentDb.Execute.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

A - Code in independent form's module
F_Main is the name of this form. TxtA, TxtB and 
TxtC are text boxes whose values are to be appended 
to fields A, B & C respectively in table T_Main. 
(T_Dummy is a single field single record table).
'=====================================
Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
    Dim Qst As String
    
    Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
            "SELECT Forms!F_Main!TxtA, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!TxtB, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!TxtC FROM T_Dummy;"
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
End Sub
'=====================================

B - Code in subform's module
F_Main is the name of parent form. SF_Sub is the
name of control serving as container for the subform.
Txt1, Txt2 and Txt3 are text boxes on the subform
whose values are to be appended to fields A, B & C
respectively in table T_Main. (T_Dummy is a single 
field single record table).
'=====================================
Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
    Dim Qst As String
    
    Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
            "SELECT Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt1, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt2, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt3 FROM T_Dummy;"
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan Waters 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 01:40
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


  Hi Susan,

  If IsNull(txtA) then
  Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
  & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
  Else
  Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
  & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
  End If

  Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

  > Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into
account
  > that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one
possibility 
  > of a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there
are
  > two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
  > different strings, and so on.
  >
  > Is there a way out of this?

  =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
  provide a simple example?

  Susan H.
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 12 13:13:56 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:43:56 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
References: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001001c82540$be3afa50$0
	200a8c0@danwaters> <005c01c82544$2018d000$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <01d001c82560$4abb34d0$9557a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    My sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you.

    (a) Form_SubformHighLightCurrentRow
    (b) HighLightDataSheetRows
    (c) ContFormsKeyNavAndHighLightMultiSelect
    (d) Form_HighLightUpdatedFields

    These are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 21:23
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record


  Dan:

  It doesn't work because the field never gets the focus.  I did this on
  another app and the way I did it was to put a text box on the detail
  section, move to back and change the color of the text box when the record
  got the focus. There's no conditional formatting of the detail section.

  I was able to do this in an expression by comparing the Autonumber ID of the
  current record with an invisible text box in the header section.  But it was
  a simple bound form with no subforms.

  That won't work in this case - the subform data is coming from another
  table.  

  There must be some trick to telling the conditional formatting to operate on
  the current record only.  

  Thanks and regards,

  Rocky  


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:29 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

  Rocky,

  In design view, the select the text box or combobox.
  Go to conditional formatting.
  Select 'Field has Focus'.
  Select your background color.

  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
  Beach Access Software
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:12 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

  Dear List:
   
  I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color of
  a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a sub-form
  but I don't think that's relevant.  
   
  What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to do
  this?
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky

From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 12 13:19:55 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:49:55 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640
	$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters><00fd01c82556$
	e1d1b010$9557a27a@personalec1122> 
	<001c01c8255a$b62c73b0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <01e401c82561$1c987cb0$9557a27a@personalec1122>

    You are most welcome Dan!

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan Waters 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 00:04
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


  Hello A.D.

  This is absolutely clever!

  Thanks!
  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:06 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

  Dan,

      As an interesting alternative with significant advantages, VALUES clause
  can be replaced by SELECT clause. Sample code in form's module, as given at
  (A) below, demonstrates this approach. If it happens to be a subform, the
  code given at (B) below would be applicable.

      With this technique, all your problems should stand resolved. Some of
  the advantages inherent in this method are:

      1 - While building the SQL string, you don't have to worry about data
  type.
      2 - If the source text box is blank, Null value gets inserted in the
  destination field (Required property set to No).
      3 - If there are any embedded quotes (whether single, double or various
  combinations of these) in the contents of source text box, the same get
  faithfully transferred to destination field without needing any special
  treatment. If such a task were to be implemented via VALUES clause, tedious
  prior fixing of such embedded quotes would have been necessary.

      Note - As form based parameters are involved, DoCmd.RunSQL method has
  been used instead of CurrentDb.Execute.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  A - Code in independent form's module
  F_Main is the name of this form. TxtA, TxtB and 
  TxtC are text boxes whose values are to be appended 
  to fields A, B & C respectively in table T_Main. 
  (T_Dummy is a single field single record table).
  '=====================================
  Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
      Dim Qst As String
      
      Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
              "SELECT Forms!F_Main!TxtA, " & _
              "Forms!F_Main!TxtB, " & _
              "Forms!F_Main!TxtC FROM T_Dummy;"
      
      DoCmd.SetWarnings False
      DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
      DoCmd.SetWarnings True
  End Sub
  '=====================================

  B - Code in subform's module
  F_Main is the name of parent form. SF_Sub is the
  name of control serving as container for the subform.
  Txt1, Txt2 and Txt3 are text boxes on the subform
  whose values are to be appended to fields A, B & C
  respectively in table T_Main. (T_Dummy is a single 
  field single record table).
  '=====================================
  Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
      Dim Qst As String
      
      Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
              "SELECT Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt1, " & _
              "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt2, " & _
              "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt3 FROM T_Dummy;"
      
      DoCmd.SetWarnings False
      DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
      DoCmd.SetWarnings True
  End Sub
  '=====================================

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Dan Waters 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 01:40
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


    Hi Susan,

    If IsNull(txtA) then
    Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
    & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
    Else
    Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
    & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
    End If

    Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

    Dan

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
    Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

    > Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into
  account
    > that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one
  possibility 
    > of a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there
  are
    > two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
    > different strings, and so on.
    >
    > Is there a way out of this?

    =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
    provide a simple example?

    Susan H.

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 13:46:50 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:46:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and rs.MoveLastand
debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns -1, when I know
there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

TIA,
Arthur


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 14:09:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:09:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the 
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote about it 
years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will know. Maybe 
she'll see this.

Susan H.



> I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and 
> rs.MoveLastand
> debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns -1, when I know
> there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 14:30:46 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:30:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
In-Reply-To: <01d001c82560$4abb34d0$9557a27a@personalec1122>
References: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001001c82540$be3afa50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<005c01c82544$2018d000$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<01d001c82560$4abb34d0$9557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <000101c8256a$e8143a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Thanks A.D. - I think that ranking scheme will work. 

Regards,

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

Rocky,

    My sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you.

    (a) Form_SubformHighLightCurrentRow
    (b) HighLightDataSheetRows
    (c) ContFormsKeyNavAndHighLightMultiSelect
    (d) Form_HighLightUpdatedFields

    These are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library).
Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 21:23
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record


  Dan:

  It doesn't work because the field never gets the focus.  I did this on
  another app and the way I did it was to put a text box on the detail
  section, move to back and change the color of the text box when the record
  got the focus. There's no conditional formatting of the detail section.

  I was able to do this in an expression by comparing the Autonumber ID of
the
  current record with an invisible text box in the header section.  But it
was
  a simple bound form with no subforms.

  That won't work in this case - the subform data is coming from another
  table.  

  There must be some trick to telling the conditional formatting to operate
on
  the current record only.  

  Thanks and regards,

  Rocky  


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:29 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

  Rocky,

  In design view, the select the text box or combobox.
  Go to conditional formatting.
  Select 'Field has Focus'.
  Select your background color.

  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
  Beach Access Software
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:12 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

  Dear List:
   
  I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color
of
  a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a
sub-form
  but I don't think that's relevant.  
   
  What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to
do
  this?
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 12 14:52:24 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:52:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Are you sure it's a DAO recordset, Arthur?  ADO recordsets commonly
return 0 or -1.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and
rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns
-1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

TIA,
Arthur
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 12 14:54:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:54:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
	<00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Susan,

You give me more credit than I deserve.  I don't even work with DAO
recordsets any more, so my memory is failing.  I suspect a forward only
type will do this, but can't remember for sure.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote
about it years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will
know. Maybe she'll see this.

Susan H.



> I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and 
> rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns

> -1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

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From pharold at proftesting.com  Mon Nov 12 15:04:21 2007
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:04:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
	<00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B078B26@exchange.ptiorl.local>

Is it client side or server side cursor?

>From DEVX forum - 

"RecordCount for server side cursors returns "-1".

oRS.Source = SQL_str
oRS.CursorLocation = 3 'adUseClient
oRS.Open" 


Perry Harold
Professional Testing Inc


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote
about it years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will
know. Maybe she'll see this.

Susan H.



> I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and 
> rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns

> -1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 15:05:01 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:05:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com><00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000a01c8256f$b185e980$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Arthur:

Why don't you post your DIMs and opening statement? Maybe we'll see
something there.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Susan,

You give me more credit than I deserve.  I don't even work with DAO
recordsets any more, so my memory is failing.  I suspect a forward only type
will do this, but can't remember for sure.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote about it
years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will know. Maybe
she'll see this.

Susan H.



> I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and 
> rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns

> -1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 15:09:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:09:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pivot in SQL Server 2005
Message-ID: <00b801c82570$4af193d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I just wrote my first Pivot table by hand in SQL Server 2005 and HOLY COW
was that a PITA!!!  Is there a wizard anywhere for doing this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Nov 12 15:51:44 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:51:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004601c82576$3844c9e0$8abea8c0@XPS>


  DAO recordsets return -1 on forward only and snapshot sets.  Also a set on
a linked tabledef will always return -1 when you open the recordset with the
table option.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Are you sure it's a DAO recordset, Arthur?  ADO recordsets commonly
return 0 or -1.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and
rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns
-1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

TIA,
Arthur
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 16:16:23 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:16:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access to Outlook
Message-ID: <000b01c82579$ad1e6520$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I posted the following code on the tech list this weekend, but so far haven't resolved the problem I'm having. I'm trying to send Access values to Outlook as a new contact. The   Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact") statement returns a can't set object variable error. 

Susan H. 




Function SendContactsToOutlook()

  Dim rst As New ADODB.Recordset
  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  '---------
  'Must set reference to Outlook library
  '---------
  Dim itms As Outlook.Items
  Dim itm As Outlook.ContactItem
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  rst.Open "tblContacts", cnn

  'Outlook Folder name is hardcoded
  
  Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact")
  
  With itm
    .CustomerID = Nz(rst!CustomerID)
    .FirstName = Nz(rst!FirstName)
    .LastName = Nz(rst!LastName)
    .Department = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Birthday = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Close (olSave)
    'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
  End With
  

   
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  Set itms = Nothing
  Set itm = Nothing
  
End Function

From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Mon Nov 12 16:33:12 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:33:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Well, it's strange to me, anyway.

When I compile my code using the Debug|Compile menu options, I get no
errors.  I have one procedure, however, which throws a compile error -
not a runtime error - when I try to execute it.  The code for that
procedure is self-contained, with no calls to any other procedures.  I'm
scratching my head on this one.  I suspect some sort of corruption, but
don't know quite where to go looking or how to resolve.  

Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 16:34:13 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:34:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Access to Outlook
Message-ID: <003001c8257c$281f4710$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I think I've figured it out, although I haven't tried it -- I'm going to 
have to create an Outlook Application and NameSpace object, via a MAPI 
folder. I didn't think it'd be this much work, but it is Outlook...

Susan H.


I posted the following code on the tech list this weekend, but so far 
haven't resolved the problem I'm having. I'm trying to send Access values to 
Outlook as a new contact. The   Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact") statement 
returns a can't set object variable error.

Susan H.




Function SendContactsToOutlook()

  Dim rst As New ADODB.Recordset
  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  '---------
  'Must set reference to Outlook library
  '---------
  Dim itms As Outlook.Items
  Dim itm As Outlook.ContactItem
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  rst.Open "tblContacts", cnn

  'Outlook Folder name is hardcoded

  Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact")

  With itm
    .CustomerID = Nz(rst!CustomerID)
    .FirstName = Nz(rst!FirstName)
    .LastName = Nz(rst!LastName)
    .Department = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Birthday = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Close (olSave)
    'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
  End With




  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  Set itms = Nothing
  Set itm = Nothing

End Function 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 16:35:33 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:35:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <003501c8257c$58695690$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>
> Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

======I'd copy the procedure to a Word file, delete it from the module, and 
compile. Then copy the procedure back, and recompile.

Susan H. 



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Nov 12 16:43:15 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:43:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.l
	ocal>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com><00
	db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne> 
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFCC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


Nah, I think she meant it is soooo ooold only Charlotte is old enough to
remember. <ducking>
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Susan,

You give me more credit than I deserve.  I don't even work with DAO
recordsets any more, so my memory is failing.  I suspect a forward only
type will do this, but can't remember for sure.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote
about it years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will
know. Maybe she'll see this.

Susan H.




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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov 12 16:44:33 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:44:33 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
Message-ID: <200711122244.lACMijHL019663@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi team

 

Access 2003

 

I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB 

 

Then looping through the rs object and populating temp tables with the results -
Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display

 

This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it is possible to cut
out the middle man - 

 

I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a continuous form with the
various results straight from the rs object

 

EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from tblAccounts may return
say.10 records each with 3 fields of data

 

How then do I get these results from the rs object in code into a continuous
form without populating a temp table first?

 

Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is using a temp table
perfectly reasonable?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Have a great day

 

Darren

 

 



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Nov 12 16:51:58 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:51:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <006101c8257e$a1d00250$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Have you tried decompiling the database? 

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error

Well, it's strange to me, anyway.

When I compile my code using the Debug|Compile menu options, I get no
errors.  I have one procedure, however, which throws a compile error - not a
runtime error - when I try to execute it.  The code for that procedure is
self-contained, with no calls to any other procedures.  I'm scratching my
head on this one.  I suspect some sort of corruption, but don't know quite
where to go looking or how to resolve.  

Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray


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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Mon Nov 12 17:09:10 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:09:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
In-Reply-To: <006101c8257e$a1d00250$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
	<006101c8257e$a1d00250$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F12A@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Doug,

I did try that, to no avail.  I think I'll try Susan's suggestion and
see what I get. 

Thanks!

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange compile error

Have you tried decompiling the database? 

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray,
Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error

Well, it's strange to me, anyway.

When I compile my code using the Debug|Compile menu options, I get no
errors.  I have one procedure, however, which throws a compile error -
not a
runtime error - when I try to execute it.  The code for that procedure
is
self-contained, with no calls to any other procedures.  I'm scratching
my
head on this one.  I suspect some sort of corruption, but don't know
quite
where to go looking or how to resolve.  

Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray


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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Mon Nov 12 17:44:28 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:44:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
In-Reply-To: <003501c8257c$58695690$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
	<003501c8257c$58695690$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F1AA@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Sheesh, I'm an idiot.

Didn't notice that the procedure was part of a form's code module.
Moved it to its own module, and all's well.  Still, I didn't expect a
compile error when trying to invoke a form level procedure in the
immediate window, or should I?  Seems like I've done that before and
gotten a different error that was a bit more descriptive.

Ah well, thanks for the ideas, nonetheless . . .

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange compile error

>
> Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

======I'd copy the procedure to a Word file, delete it from the module,
and 
compile. Then copy the procedure back, and recompile.

Susan H. 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 12 17:49:29 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:49:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFCC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com><00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFCC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D40@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Oooooh!  You'd better duck.  I swing a mean cane!! LOL

Charlotte  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?


Nah, I think she meant it is soooo ooold only Charlotte is old enough to
remember. <ducking> Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Susan,

You give me more credit than I deserve.  I don't even work with DAO
recordsets any more, so my memory is failing.  I suspect a forward only
type will do this, but can't remember for sure.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote
about it years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will
know. Maybe she'll see this.

Susan H.




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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 17:50:37 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:50:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pass a recordset as parameter
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711121550n544e108el979a352d1678450e@mail.gmail.com>

Can one pass a recordset as a parameter to a function. I guess I could write
a quick tester to determine this, but I'm in the middle of something else.
If I could do this, I could seriously simplify some hairy code that I
inherited.

Just as an aside and casual invitation to start another lengthy debate, all
this inherited code is based on dynamically building SQL statements using
the values contained in a recordset. A typical example would be:

            sDocMemo = sDocMemo _
                & " is too close to the pinch point.  It is " &
Nz(rsLCData!DisToPinchPoint1, 0) _
                & " millimetres away and should be at least " _
                & Nz(rsLCData!DsPP1_ShouldBe, 0) & " millimetres away from
the Pinch Point." _
                & "  " & sBlankedBeamsText

Oh God, I hate this style of coding. It makes me crazy. It may work but even
with the logical line breaks it's hard as hell to read (or maybe I'm just
getting too old for this business.

There are a bunch of text-assembly blocks like this all stuck into one huge
(1000+ lines) procedure. My plan is to break each text-assembly chunk out
into a function that accepts a recordset as a parameter and builds the
string and returns it. If I can't pass the recordset, then I'll grab its
values and pass those instead, and break this 1000-liner into about 20
5-liners (or less lines per function), which fetch the text from a table and
then whose content uses a syntax like this:

The ///LCPosition1/// light curtain is too close to the pinch point. It is
///DisToPinchPoint1/// millimetres away and should be at least
///DsPP1_ShouldBe///  millimetres away from the Pinch Point.

The given function will use Replace() to find the triple-shlash-delimited
insertion-points and replace them with the passed parameters, then return
the string.

Anyone see any problems with this approach?

TIA,
Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 17:52:31 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:52:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
In-Reply-To: <200711122244.lACMijHL019663@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200711122244.lACMijHL019663@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711121552xa066b03wcd094da4192a705d@mail.gmail.com>

Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or view and use it
as the record source?

A.

On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi team
>
>
>
> Access 2003
>
>
>
> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>
>
>
> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp tables with the
> results -
> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>
>
>
> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it is possible to
> cut
> out the middle man -
>
>
>
> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a continuous form with
> the
> various results straight from the rs object
>
>
>
> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from tblAccounts may
> return
> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>
>
>
> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code into a
> continuous
> form without populating a temp table first?
>
>
>
> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is using a temp table
> perfectly reasonable?
>
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
>
>
> Have a great day
>
>
>
> Darren
>
>
>
>
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov 12 18:06:46 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:46 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711121552xa066b03wcd094da4192a705d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200711130006.lAD06tAA029982@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Arthur 

This sounds very efficient - Cool

Now the tricky bit...

How do I 'bind' a continuous form in access 2003 (NOT ADP) to a SPROC or view in
SQL SVR?

Thanks

Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 10:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form

Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or view and use it
as the record source?

A.

On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi team
>
>
>
> Access 2003
>
>
>
> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>
>
>
> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp tables with the
> results -
> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>
>
>
> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it is possible to
> cut
> out the middle man -
>
>
>
> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a continuous form with
> the
> various results straight from the rs object
>
>
>
> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from tblAccounts may
> return
> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>
>
>
> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code into a
> continuous
> form without populating a temp table first?
>
>
>
> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is using a temp table
> perfectly reasonable?
>
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
>
>
> Have a great day
>
>
>
> Darren
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 18:23:50 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:23:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
Message-ID: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list box
based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and retain
trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning with
R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name beginning
with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
 
Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
string?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


From pcs at azizaz.com  Mon Nov 12 18:26:45 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:26:45 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
Message-ID: <20071113102645.DHJ48961@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Darren,
Try:

Set Forms(strFrm).Recordset = rs

where rs is the recordset you have created and strForm is a
string variable holding the name of your Form 

Regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:46 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi Arthur 
>
>This sounds very efficient - Cool
>
>Now the tricky bit...
>
>How do I 'bind' a continuous form in access 2003 (NOT ADP) to
a SPROC or view in
>SQL SVR?
>
>Thanks
>
>Darren
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 10:53 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form
>
>Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or
view and use it
>as the record source?
>
>A.
>
>On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hi team
>>
>>
>>
>> Access 2003
>>
>>
>>
>> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>>
>>
>>
>> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp
tables with the
>> results -
>> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>>
>>
>>
>> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it
is possible to
>> cut
>> out the middle man -
>>
>>
>>
>> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a
continuous form with
>> the
>> various results straight from the rs object
>>
>>
>>
>> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from
tblAccounts may
>> return
>> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>>
>>
>>
>> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code
into a
>> continuous
>> form without populating a temp table first?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is
using a temp table
>> perfectly reasonable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a great day
>>
>>
>>
>> Darren
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 18:30:16 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:30:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com><00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFCC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <005f01c8258d$3eacaf20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OH NO YOU DON'T!!!!!!!! ;) 

I think Charlotte's about my age -- so be careful there! ;) 

Susan H. 


> 
> Nah, I think she meant it is soooo ooold only Charlotte is old enough to
> remember. <ducking>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 18:51:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:51:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <00b901c8258f$5455f690$6c7aa8c0@M90>

decompile it, then compile it, compact and repair 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error

Well, it's strange to me, anyway.

When I compile my code using the Debug|Compile menu options, I get no
errors.  I have one procedure, however, which throws a compile error - not a
runtime error - when I try to execute it.  The code for that procedure is
self-contained, with no calls to any other procedures.  I'm scratching my
head on this one.  I suspect some sort of corruption, but don't know quite
where to go looking or how to resolve.  

Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 18:52:58 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:52:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pass a recordset as parameter
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711121550n544e108el979a352d1678450e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711121550n544e108el979a352d1678450e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ba01c8258f$898624c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Yes, you can.  You can pass pretty much anything except a custom data type. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Pass a recordset as parameter

Can one pass a recordset as a parameter to a function. I guess I could write
a quick tester to determine this, but I'm in the middle of something else.
If I could do this, I could seriously simplify some hairy code that I
inherited.

Just as an aside and casual invitation to start another lengthy debate, all
this inherited code is based on dynamically building SQL statements using
the values contained in a recordset. A typical example would be:

            sDocMemo = sDocMemo _
                & " is too close to the pinch point.  It is " &
Nz(rsLCData!DisToPinchPoint1, 0) _
                & " millimetres away and should be at least " _
                & Nz(rsLCData!DsPP1_ShouldBe, 0) & " millimetres away from
the Pinch Point." _
                & "  " & sBlankedBeamsText

Oh God, I hate this style of coding. It makes me crazy. It may work but even
with the logical line breaks it's hard as hell to read (or maybe I'm just
getting too old for this business.

There are a bunch of text-assembly blocks like this all stuck into one huge
(1000+ lines) procedure. My plan is to break each text-assembly chunk out
into a function that accepts a recordset as a parameter and builds the
string and returns it. If I can't pass the recordset, then I'll grab its
values and pass those instead, and break this 1000-liner into about 20
5-liners (or less lines per function), which fetch the text from a table and
then whose content uses a syntax like this:

The ///LCPosition1/// light curtain is too close to the pinch point. It is
///DisToPinchPoint1/// millimetres away and should be at least
///DsPP1_ShouldBe///  millimetres away from the Pinch Point.

The given function will use Replace() to find the triple-shlash-delimited
insertion-points and replace them with the passed parameters, then return
the string.

Anyone see any problems with this approach?

TIA,
Arthur
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 12 18:58:35 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:58:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky,
the list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping
keystrokes, make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

Dear List:
 
I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list
box based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and
retain trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for
example, he presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those
beginning with R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all
the name beginning with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing
blank.
 
Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
string?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 19:47:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:47:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from the
Change event of the text box.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky, the
list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping keystrokes,
make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

Dear List:
 
I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list box
based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and retain
trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning with
R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name beginning
with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
 
Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
string?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From thewaddles at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 12 20:28:40 2007
From: thewaddles at sbcglobal.net (Kevin Waddle)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:28:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to Outlook
In-Reply-To: <000b01c82579$ad1e6520$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000b01c82579$ad1e6520$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <014601c8259c$e82872f0$6600a8c0@TheWaddles>

Susan,
I built a sample table...
	tblContacts
		ID
		Full Name
		Company
		File As
		E-mail
		Phone

...and added the following code:
	Function to add reference to Outlook2003
	Function to loop through tblContacts and add to Contacts in Outlook
	Sub to call the Functions

Seems to work OK for me.

HTH,
Kevin

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Function AddRefOutlook() As Boolean
    'Add a reference to Outlook 2003
    Dim strRef                               As String
    Dim ref                                  As Reference
    strRef = "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office11\msoutl.olb"
'My Office install in on my G drive
    'strRef = "G:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office11\msoutl.olb"

    On Error GoTo ErrorOnDLL

    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strRef)

    Exit Function
ErrorOnDLL:
    'If the reference is already there then...
    If Err.Number = 32813 Then
        '...do something
Debug.Print "reference is already there"
AddRefOutlook = True
    Else
Debug.Print Err.Number & " " & Err.Description
AddRefOutlook = False
    End If

End Function

Function AddContacts()
    '---------
    'Must set reference to Outlook library
    '---------
    Dim rst                                  As New ADODB.Recordset
    Dim cnn                                  As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim ol                                   As New Outlook.Application
    Dim olns                                 As Outlook.NameSpace
    Dim fldContacts                          As Outlook.MAPIFolder
    Dim itms                                 As Outlook.Items
    Dim cf                                   As Object

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set ol = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
    Set olns = ol.GetNamespace("MAPI")
    ' Which folder is the contacts list in?
    Set fldContacts = olns.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
    Set itms = fldContacts.Items

    rst.Open "tblContacts", cnn
    rst.MoveFirst
    Do While Not rst.EOF
        Set cf = itms.Add("IPM.Contact")
        With cf
            .FullName = rst.Fields(1).Value
            .CompanyName = rst.Fields(2).Value
            .FileAs = rst.Fields(3).Value
            .Email1Address = rst.Fields(4).Value
            If Not IsNull(rst.Fields(5).Value) Then
                .PrimaryTelephoneNumber = rst.Fields(5).Value
            End If
            .Save
        End With
        Set cf = Nothing
        rst.MoveNext
    Loop

    Set ol = Nothing
    Set olns = Nothing
    Set fldContacts = Nothing
    Set itms = Nothing

End Function

Sub Test()
    Dim x                                    As Variant
    x = AddRefOutlook
    x = AddContacts
End Sub
 


Famous Last Words:  'This should be easy...'

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:16 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access to Outlook

I posted the following code on the tech list this weekend, but so far
haven't resolved the problem I'm having. I'm trying to send Access values to
Outlook as a new contact. The   Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact") statement
returns a can't set object variable error. 

Susan H. 




Function SendContactsToOutlook()

  Dim rst As New ADODB.Recordset
  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  '---------
  'Must set reference to Outlook library
  '---------
  Dim itms As Outlook.Items
  Dim itm As Outlook.ContactItem
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  rst.Open "tblContacts", cnn

  'Outlook Folder name is hardcoded
  
  Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact")
  
  With itm
    .CustomerID = Nz(rst!CustomerID)
    .FirstName = Nz(rst!FirstName)
    .LastName = Nz(rst!LastName)
    .Department = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Birthday = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Close (olSave)
    'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
  End With
  

   
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  Set itms = Nothing
  Set itm = Nothing
  
End Function
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 04:37:36 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:37:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes
Message-ID: <00d101c825e1$357b9520$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I ran across this this morning.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/scripts/Miscellaneous/31997/

I have not tested it yet but thought that someone might find it useful.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 13 05:44:33 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:44:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes
Message-ID: <s7399c43.029@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Thanks!
But what should the purpose be? Building a middle-tier?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-11-2007 11:37 >>>
I ran across this this morning.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/scripts/Miscellaneous/31997/ 

I have not tested it yet but thought that someone might find it useful.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 06:13:55 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:13:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes
In-Reply-To: <s7399c43.029@cactus.dk>
References: <s7399c43.029@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00d901c825ee$a9cb0d40$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Gustav,

The purpose should be automated building of classes from tables.  How many
times I have wished for such a thing for Access (in fact built one myself
and then lost it 8~( 

As for what to do with it... well suppose you had a table with 700 plus
fields and you wanted to do something with that table that was difficult to
do with SQL directly.  You therefore need to import the data into classes so
that you can programmatically manipulate the data...  Before you can even
begin you have to write a class with get/let and variable dim statements in
the top of the class...  How many days would it take you to write that one
class?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes

Hi John

Thanks!
But what should the purpose be? Building a middle-tier?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-11-2007 11:37 >>>
I ran across this this morning.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/scripts/Miscellaneous/31997/ 

I have not tested it yet but thought that someone might find it useful.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 13 06:53:51 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:53:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
Message-ID: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters>

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

http://submain.com/?nav=products.guidelines





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 06:53:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:53:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
Message-ID: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have tables of information about people.  The tables represent polls that
people have taken, so if a person takes a poll about brands of cigarettes
smoked, the table would have a record about that person for that poll.  If
that same person took a poll about software used, the table would have a NEW
record with information about the same person, but about the software that
person used.  And so forth and so on.  Now I need to "roll up" all of the
information about a person into a single record so that one record contains
all of the information about that person contained in all of the records
about that person in the table.

Is this possible directly in SQL?  Do I need to write code to iterate
through the table finding each person and all the records for that person,
and then consolidating the information from the second and subsequent
records into the first record found?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 07:20:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:20:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 13 07:37:38 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:37:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 07:52:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:52:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL, well... it goes in bursts.  Critical mass is one of those strange
things where people have to sign up and use it in order for others to
observe that it is use and sign up and use it so that others observe that it
is used.  

I do think that more and more of our AccessD members are trying out the .Net
stuff and so hopefully we will gain critical mass someday.  It won't happen
without YOUR support however.  

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 08:11:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:11:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation
Message-ID: <00ea01c825ff$0cfb67b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I installed Office 2007 on a server where I already had Office 2003
installed.  I use Office 2003 (specifically Excel) on that machine quite a
bit.  this morning I just double clicked on a spreadsheet and it was loaded
in Excel 2007 (Office 2007 apparently replaced my file type mappings).  I
checked the task manager memory usage and it was 20.6 mb for Excel with that
specific spreadsheet.  I then closed Excel 2007, opened Excel 2003 and then
loaded the same spreadsheet.  The memory usage was 10.5 mb.  

And BTW, there was no noticeable delay switching between the two versions,
nor did it request a disk etc.  I will do more testing on that subject later
when the server isn't working heavily on SQL Server stuff.

John W. Colby
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Nov 13 08:54:27 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:24:27 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB2459
	7D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local> 
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00c901c82605$35a1fe80$6c57a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    You wish to trap the trailing spaces in a text box, while using its contents for applying filter. This calls for certain special measures as trailing spaces (if any) get lost while exiting the text box.

    Sample code in form's module, as given below, demonstrates application of filter on a subform, duly taking into account the contents of text box (including trailing spaces if any) located on the parent form.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample code in form's module
Txt1 is the name of text box where criteria string is
entered. SF_Sub is the name of control holding the
subform. Clicking command button named CmdFilter
applies filter on subform records - duly taking into
account the trailing blanks (if any) in text box Txt1
PCode is the name of field on which filter is applied.
'=================================
' Declarations section
Private RefTxt As String
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdFilter_Click()
    With Me.SF_Sub.Form
        .Filter = "PCode Like '" & RefTxt & "*'"
        .FilterOn = True
    End With
End Sub
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Txt1_Change()
    RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
End Sub
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Txt1_Enter()
    RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
End Sub
'=================================



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 07:17
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


  It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
  setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from the
  Change event of the text box.

  Rocky

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

  What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky, the
  list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping keystrokes,
  make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
  Beach Access Software
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

  Dear List:
   
  I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list box
  based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and retain
  trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
  presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning with
  R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name beginning
  with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
   
  Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
  string?
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 13 09:08:59 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:08:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, well... it goes in bursts.  Critical mass is one of those strange
things where people have to sign up and use it in order for others to
observe that it is use and sign up and use it so that others observe that it
is used.  

I do think that more and more of our AccessD members are trying out the .Net
stuff and so hopefully we will gain critical mass someday.  It won't happen
without YOUR support however.  

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 09:11:50 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:11:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation
References: <00ea01c825ff$0cfb67b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <007a01c82607$85a32fb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Hi John,

In your tests, try using the Common Dialog or OpenFileName API
to open any version prior to Access 2007. Then use Start ... Run.
That should be an interesting excursion.

The explanation I've read for this is that the ProgID is unchanged
between versions and therefore resolves to 2007.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation


>I installed Office 2007 on a server where I already had Office 2003
> installed.  I use Office 2003 (specifically Excel) on that machine quite a
> bit.  this morning I just double clicked on a spreadsheet and it was 
> loaded
> in Excel 2007 (Office 2007 apparently replaced my file type mappings).  I
> checked the task manager memory usage and it was 20.6 mb for Excel with 
> that
> specific spreadsheet.  I then closed Excel 2007, opened Excel 2003 and 
> then
> loaded the same spreadsheet.  The memory usage was 10.5 mb.
>
> And BTW, there was no noticeable delay switching between the two versions,
> nor did it request a disk etc.  I will do more testing on that subject 
> later
> when the server isn't working heavily on SQL Server stuff.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 09:24:41 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:24:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 So what does the resulting filter look like?  Have you tried replacing
a " " with a Space(1)?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from
the Change event of the text box.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky,
the list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping
keystrokes, make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

Charlotte Foust




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 09:30:57 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:30:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes
In-Reply-To: <00d901c825ee$a9cb0d40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <s7399c43.029@cactus.dk> <00d901c825ee$a9cb0d40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D50@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You also use such classes to enforce business rules in the data tier
rather than having to code them into the UI.  We use such classes for
virtually all interaction with the data, bind our forms, reports and
controls to the classes, etc.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes

Gustav,

The purpose should be automated building of classes from tables.  How
many times I have wished for such a thing for Access (in fact built one
myself and then lost it 8~( 

As for what to do with it... well suppose you had a table with 700 plus
fields and you wanted to do something with that table that was difficult
to do with SQL directly.  You therefore need to import the data into
classes so that you can programmatically manipulate the data...  Before
you can even begin you have to write a class with get/let and variable
dim statements in the top of the class...  How many days would it take
you to write that one class?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes

Hi John

Thanks!
But what should the purpose be? Building a middle-tier?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-11-2007 11:37 >>>
I ran across this this morning.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/scripts/Miscellaneous/31997/ 

I have not tested it yet but thought that someone might find it useful.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 09:33:11 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:33:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation
In-Reply-To: <00ea01c825ff$0cfb67b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00ea01c825ff$0cfb67b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Interesting, John.  I didn't try it with Excel, since I replaced all the
Office apps except Access with the 2007 version, and believe me, that
one runs the installer.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation

I installed Office 2007 on a server where I already had Office 2003
installed.  I use Office 2003 (specifically Excel) on that machine quite
a bit.  this morning I just double clicked on a spreadsheet and it was
loaded in Excel 2007 (Office 2007 apparently replaced my file type
mappings).  I checked the task manager memory usage and it was 20.6 mb
for Excel with that specific spreadsheet.  I then closed Excel 2007,
opened Excel 2003 and then loaded the same spreadsheet.  The memory
usage was 10.5 mb.  

And BTW, there was no noticeable delay switching between the two
versions, nor did it request a disk etc.  I will do more testing on that
subject later when the server isn't working heavily on SQL Server stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 09:44:34 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:44:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r.  There are
actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria to the row source
of the list box.  I do this four times adding Where clauses to the row
source:

    If Me.txtFirstNameFilter <> "" Then
        If InStr(1, lstGoTo.RowSource, "WHERE ") <> 0 Then
            Me.lstGoTo.RowSource = Me.lstGoTo.RowSource & " AND "
        Else
            Me.lstGoTo.RowSource = Me.lstGoTo.RowSource & " WHERE "
        End If
        
        Me.lstGoTo.RowSource = Me.lstGoTo.RowSource _
            & "tblPersonSearch.FirstName Like '" & Me.txtFirstNameFilter &
"*'"
    End If

Each of the four text boxes has a change event which calls the subroutine
SetSelectNameRowSource from which the above snip was taken.  

I put a message box in to see what was getting to the sub from the change
event:

MsgBox "*" & Nz(Me.txtLastNameFilter) & "*"

By the time the sub opens the trailing blank has been stripped.

Rocky
  




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

 So what does the resulting filter look like?  Have you tried replacing a "
" with a Space(1)?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from the
Change event of the text box.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky, the
list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping keystrokes,
make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

Charlotte Foust


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 09:58:08 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:58:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>

This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in the
database itself. You can't store "aaaa   " in a column. Access will trim it.
So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls, isn't
it?

A.

On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r.  There
> are
> actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria to the row
> source
> of the list box.  I do this four times adding Where clauses to the row
> source:
>
>


From accessd at vftt.co.uk  Tue Nov 13 10:04:41 2007
From: accessd at vftt.co.uk (Pete Phillipps)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:04:41 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Test
In-Reply-To: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <037401c8260e$ea6b7e50$0301a8c0@kilchoan>

Test - ignore 

Pete Phillipps


From accessd at vftt.co.uk  Tue Nov 13 10:05:29 2007
From: accessd at vftt.co.uk (Pete Phillipps)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:05:29 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Test 2
In-Reply-To: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <037501c8260f$07e7dd20$0301a8c0@kilchoan>

Test 2 - ignore again

Pete Phillipps


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 10:12:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:12:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c8260f$f7fb5df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Only natural.  So now I'm faced with the problem of committing an unnatural
act.  Any ideas?  Programming, that is.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in the
database itself. You can't store "aaaa   " in a column. Access will trim it.
So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls, isn't
it?

A.

On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r.  
> There are actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria to 
> the row source of the list box.  I do this four times adding Where 
> clauses to the row
> source:
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 10:13:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:13:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000201c82610$15da7630$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, well... it goes in bursts.  Critical mass is one of those strange
things where people have to sign up and use it in order for others to
observe that it is use and sign up and use it so that others observe that it
is used.  

I do think that more and more of our AccessD members are trying out the .Net
stuff and so hopefully we will gain critical mass someday.  It won't happen
without YOUR support however.  

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

http://submain.com/?nav=products.guidelines



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 10:25:57 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:25:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005> 
	<29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl>


Rocky,

It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

CODE START
Dim SpaceCheck
Dim Length
Dim TrimLength
Dim FinalString
FinalString = Me!Text0
Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
SpaceCheck = 0
Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
Loop
SKIP:
MsgBox FinalString & "test"
CODE END

> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:58:08 -0500
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in the
> database itself. You can't store "aaaa " in a column. Access will trim it.
> So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls, isn't
> it?
>
> A.
>
> On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
> wrote:
>>
>> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r. There
>> are
>> actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria to the row
>> source
>> of the list box. I do this four times adding Where clauses to the row
>> source:
>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 10:28:27 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:28:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <006c01c8260f$f7fb5df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
	<006c01c8260f$f7fb5df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711130828p495da587t5cd69a5e1d82008d@mail.gmail.com>

I re-read the thread from the top, and afaics the only thing you can do is
"empower" the user with a little education. Otherwise, you have a
significant problem enabling the user to enter "r " plus some other filter.
If you allow the user to enter "r *" then you'll get the effect you desire,
I think.

A.

On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Only natural.  So now I'm faced with the problem of committing an
> unnatural
> act.  Any ideas?  Programming, that is.
>
> Rocky
>


From accessd at vftt.co.uk  Tue Nov 13 10:31:30 2007
From: accessd at vftt.co.uk (Pete Phillipps)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:31:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Test 4
In-Reply-To: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <038301c82612$a8d0eb70$0301a8c0@kilchoan>

Test 4 - ignore

Pete Phillipps


From accessd at vftt.co.uk  Tue Nov 13 10:33:35 2007
From: accessd at vftt.co.uk (Pete Phillipps)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:33:35 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Test 5
In-Reply-To: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAG/lIk3cKxOubBqh/goLXnCgAAAEAAAABYC3LEpTXlJv74JeuC94qgBAAAAAA==@vftt.co.uk>

Yet another test  -just ignore me fo now :-)

Pete Phillipps


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 10:41:06 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:41:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
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Hah!  I'm still trying for that after 2 years of DOING it!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, well... it goes in bursts.  Critical mass is one of those strange
things where people have to sign up and use it in order for others to
observe that it is use and sign up and use it so that others observe
that it is used.  

I do think that more and more of our AccessD members are trying out the
.Net stuff and so hopefully we will gain critical mass someday.  It
won't happen without YOUR support however.  

;-) 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on
it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about
.Net.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

http://submain.com/?nav=products.guidelines



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 10:45:04 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:45:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
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Arthur:

Yes, it will do wild cards.  I'll see if that is a practical compromise.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

I re-read the thread from the top, and afaics the only thing you can do is
"empower" the user with a little education. Otherwise, you have a
significant problem enabling the user to enter "r " plus some other filter.
If you allow the user to enter "r *" then you'll get the effect you desire,
I think.

A.

On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Only natural.  So now I'm faced with the problem of committing an 
> unnatural act.  Any ideas?  Programming, that is.
>
> Rocky
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 10:48:38 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
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Mark:

I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting trimmed
from the string before I get hold of it.  I may have to use key trapping to
see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to the string during
the row source update.

Regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


Rocky,

It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something like
(code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

CODE START
Dim SpaceCheck
Dim Length
Dim TrimLength
Dim FinalString
FinalString = Me!Text0
Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
SpaceCheck = 0
Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
Loop
SKIP:
MsgBox FinalString & "test"
CODE END

> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:58:08 -0500
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in 
> the database itself. You can't store "aaaa " in a column. Access will trim
it.
> So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls, 
> isn't it?
>
> A.
>
> On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> wrote:
>>
>> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r. 
>> There are actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria 
>> to the row source of the list box. I do this four times adding Where 
>> clauses to the row
>> source:
>>
>>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 10:54:05 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:54:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
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Rocky,

I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces where passed to the code.

Good luck,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting trimmed
> from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use key trapping to
> see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to the string during
> the row source update.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something like
> (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> CODE START
> Dim SpaceCheck
> Dim Length
> Dim TrimLength
> Dim FinalString
> FinalString = Me!Text0
> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
> If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
> SpaceCheck = 0
> Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
> FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
> SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
> Loop
> SKIP:
> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
> CODE END
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:58:08 -0500
>> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in
>> the database itself. You can't store "aaaa " in a column. Access will trim
> it.
>> So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls,
>> isn't it?
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r.
>>> There are actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria
>>> to the row source of the list box. I do this four times adding Where
>>> clauses to the row
>>> source:
>>>
>>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 11:05:56 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
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Mark:

My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the blank is
already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has pressed the
space bar.  I'm updating the row source after every keystroke.  Your code
seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the trailing blanks.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


Rocky,

I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is
below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I
placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces where
passed to the code.

Good luck,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting 
> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use key 
> trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to 
> the string during the row source update.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something 
> like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> CODE START
> Dim SpaceCheck
> Dim Length
> Dim TrimLength
> Dim FinalString
> FinalString = Me!Text0
> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
> If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
> SpaceCheck = 0
> Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
> FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
> SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
> Loop
> SKIP:
> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
> CODE END
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 11:15:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:15:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
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Message-ID: <000e01c82618$d89e4220$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Yea, but you were still trying to be an Access programmer after how many
years?  Then you gave up and moved on to .Net!

;-) 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Hah!  I'm still trying for that after 2 years of DOING it!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 11:17:58 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:17:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  From Access to Hosted site???
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Hello All,

I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand.  Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house.  I want to have it hosted somewhere.  Here is what it does.

1.  check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
2.  gets ftp file
3.  unzips file
4.  imports file
LOOP HERE
5.  runs SQL against import
6.  concantenates results of sql into string
7.  emails string
END LOOP

Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)

At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).

If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?

I'm really lost at this point.  I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"

I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan.  I don't know where to start.

Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Again,

Mark A. Matte






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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 11:21:38 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:21:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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	<007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Rocky,

Yes the code impies that...kinda...lol.  the following is true on the BeforeUpdate

>> Me!Text0.Text has the trailing spaces
>> Me!Text0  does NOT have trailing spaces

Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the blank is
> already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has pressed the
> space bar. I'm updating the row source after every keystroke. Your code
> seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the trailing blanks.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is
> below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I
> placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces where
> passed to the code.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark
>
>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting
>> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use key
>> trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to
>> the string during the row source update.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something
>> like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>> CODE START
>> Dim SpaceCheck
>> Dim Length
>> Dim TrimLength
>> Dim FinalString
>> FinalString = Me!Text0
>> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
>> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
>> If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
>> SpaceCheck = 0
>> Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
>> FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
>> SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
>> Loop
>> SKIP:
>> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
>> CODE END
>>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 11:25:02 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:25:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W7EA8590762A91C2F6C1B4D2800@phx.gbl> 
	<007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W15714877579736BBA5E8E2D2800@phx.gbl>


Ok...I feel kinda silly now...after reading my last response...why not ignore all the funky loop thing I did and just:
(Again on the BeforeUpdate)
Dim FinalString
FinalString = Me!Text0.Text
MsgBox FinalString & "test"

I think we try to make this complicated.

Good Luck,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the blank is
> already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has pressed the
> space bar. I'm updating the row source after every keystroke. Your code
> seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the trailing blanks.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is
> below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I
> placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces where
> passed to the code.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark
>
>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting
>> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use key
>> trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to
>> the string during the row source update.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something
>> like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>> CODE START
>> Dim SpaceCheck
>> Dim Length
>> Dim TrimLength
>> Dim FinalString
>> FinalString = Me!Text0
>> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
>> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
>> If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
>> SpaceCheck = 0
>> Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
>> FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
>> SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
>> Loop
>> SKIP:
>> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
>> CODE END
>>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 11:25:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:25:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query builder
Message-ID: <001201c8261a$24ba3f50$6c7aa8c0@M90>

My client is asking if there is a tool I can buy to make me more productive
in building the queries for the analysis he is asking me to do.  Just a
quick Google of "SQL Server query generator"  gets me these:

http://www.querytool.com/?gclid=COXT2a-i2o8CFQNlHgodhSWX1Q
http://sqlmanager.net/products/tools/querybuilder
http://www.activequerybuilder.com/

Has anyone ever used any of these or have any recommendations for other
tools like these?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 11:28:57 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:28:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <000e01c82618$d89e4220$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90><002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters><000201c82610$15da7630$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D59@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<000e01c82618$d89e4220$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D5D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Hmmn....

        If Me.DataBindings.ToString = "John Colby" Then
            Me.DataBindings.Clear()
        End If

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Yea, but you were still trying to be an Access programmer after how many
years?  Then you gave up and moved on to .Net!

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Hah!  I'm still trying for that after 2 years of DOING it!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 11:30:06 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:30:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W4545FF66298B2BA0F8F023D2800@phx.gbl>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl><007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W7EA8590762A91C2F6C1B4D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W4545FF66298B2BA0F8F023D2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008801c8261a$d661fbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Mark:

I've been doing VBA long enough not to ask for sense.  Just consistency.
Let me try it again with .Text.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


Rocky,

Yes the code impies that...kinda...lol.  the following is true on the
BeforeUpdate

>> Me!Text0.Text has the trailing spaces Me!Text0  does NOT have 
>> trailing spaces

Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the 
> blank is already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has 
> pressed the space bar. I'm updating the row source after every 
> keystroke. Your code seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the
trailing blanks.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is 
> below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I 
> placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces 
> where passed to the code.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark
>
>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting 
>> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use 
>> key trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it 
>> manually to the string during the row source update.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using 
>> something like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>> CODE START
>> Dim SpaceCheck
>> Dim Length
>> Dim TrimLength
>> Dim FinalString
>> FinalString = Me!Text0
>> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
>> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text)) If Length = TrimLength Then 
>> GoTo SKIP SpaceCheck = 0 Do Until SpaceCheck = Length FinalString = 
>> FinalString & Chr(32) SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString) Loop
>> SKIP:
>> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
>> CODE END
>>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 11:42:28 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:42:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <008801c8261a$d661fbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl><007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W7EA8590762A91C2F6C1B4D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W4545FF66298B2BA0F8F023D2800@phx.gbl> 
	<008801c8261a$d661fbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W437A4B56C17EE0B1E6D8FAD2800@phx.gbl>


Lately I have been making much sense and confusing myself...and others...so it was more of a reference to me.


> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:30:06 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> I've been doing VBA long enough not to ask for sense. Just consistency.
> Let me try it again with .Text.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:22 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> Yes the code impies that...kinda...lol. the following is true on the
> BeforeUpdate
>
>>> Me!Text0.Text has the trailing spaces Me!Text0 does NOT have
>>> trailing spaces
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the
>> blank is already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has
>> pressed the space bar. I'm updating the row source after every
>> keystroke. Your code seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the
> trailing blanks.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is
>> below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I
>> placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces
>> where passed to the code.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>>
>>> Mark:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting
>>> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use
>>> key trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it
>>> manually to the string during the row source update.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
>>> Matte
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>>
>>>
>>> Rocky,
>>>
>>> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using
>>> something like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mark A. Matte
>>>
>>> CODE START
>>> Dim SpaceCheck
>>> Dim Length
>>> Dim TrimLength
>>> Dim FinalString
>>> FinalString = Me!Text0
>>> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
>>> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text)) If Length = TrimLength Then
>>> GoTo SKIP SpaceCheck = 0 Do Until SpaceCheck = Length FinalString =
>>> FinalString & Chr(32) SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString) Loop
>>> SKIP:
>>> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
>>> CODE END
>>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 11:49:01 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:49:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D5D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90><002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters><000201c82610$15da7630$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D59@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><000e01c82618$d89e4220$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D5D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001401c8261d$7b2b6e10$6c7aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.

	If me.value = "Charlotte" then
		me.PokeWithAStick
	endif

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Hmmn....

        If Me.DataBindings.ToString = "John Colby" Then
            Me.DataBindings.Clear()
        End If

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Yea, but you were still trying to be an Access programmer after how many
years?  Then you gave up and moved on to .Net!

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Hah!  I'm still trying for that after 2 years of DOING it!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Nov 13 11:49:53 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E2F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?  

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


Hello All,

I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand.  Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house.  I want to have it hosted somewhere.  Here is what it does.

1.  check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
2.  gets ftp file
3.  unzips file
4.  imports file
LOOP HERE
5.  runs SQL against import
6.  concantenates results of sql into string
7.  emails string
END LOOP

Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)

At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).

If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?

I'm really lost at this point.  I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"

I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan.  I don't know where to start.

Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Again,

Mark A. Matte






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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Nov 13 11:50:42 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <046f01c8261d$b5c60620$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Mark:

If you're looking at running this on a hosted site, then you'll probably
require a provider that offers a virtual private server or a dedicated
server. Prices (and service) varies widely, but if you need to actually
install and schedule an access app, this is the way you'll probably need to
go. 

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


Hello All,

I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without
this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time
to expand.  Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a
machine at my house.  I want to have it hosted somewhere.  Here is what it
does.

1.  check for file on FTP every 5 minutes 2.  gets ftp file 3.  unzips file
4.  imports file LOOP HERE 5.  runs SQL against import 6.  concantenates
results of sql into string 7.  emails string END LOOP

Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and
emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a
table)

At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need
to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my
house...and somewhere reliable).

If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I
would...or can I?

I'm really lost at this point.  I guess my question is..."To put this out on
a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate
and execute these tasks?"

I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need
to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan.  I don't know where to
start.

Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Again,

Mark A. Matte






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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 12:02:28 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:02:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <046f01c8261d$b5c60620$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl> 
	<046f01c8261d$b5c60620$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W19FD988008FEF0BB49B85ED2800@phx.gbl>


Larry,

The functionality is currently in Access.  If I can go this route and leave it in access...I probably will.  I am curious as to what other approaches listers would suggest.

Thanks for the advice.

Mark


> From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:42 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> Hi Mark:
>
> If you're looking at running this on a hosted site, then you'll probably
> require a provider that offers a virtual private server or a dedicated
> server. Prices (and service) varies widely, but if you need to actually
> install and schedule an access app, this is the way you'll probably need to
> go.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without
> this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time
> to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a
> machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it
> does.
>
> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes 2. gets ftp file 3. unzips file
> 4. imports file LOOP HERE 5. runs SQL against import 6. concantenates
> results of sql into string 7. emails string END LOOP
>
> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and
> emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a
> table)
>
> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need
> to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my
> house...and somewhere reliable).
>
> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I
> would...or can I?
>
> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on
> a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate
> and execute these tasks?"
>
> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need
> to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to
> start.
>
> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 12:11:55 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:11:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E2F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E2F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl>




Drew,

There are a few reasons:

1.  There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
2.  Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
3.  I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users.  But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>
> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
> 2. gets ftp file
> 3. unzips file
> 4. imports file
> LOOP HERE
> 5. runs SQL against import
> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
> 7. emails string
> END LOOP
>
> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>
> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>
> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>
> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>
> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>
> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 13 12:28:00 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:28:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Query builder
Message-ID: <s739fad2.047@cactus.dk>

Hi John

A more comprehensive query and reporting tool from our (previous?) member, Rudolf Vanek, is DBxtra:

  http://www.dbxtra.com/

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-11-2007 18:25 >>>
My client is asking if there is a tool I can buy to make me more productive
in building the queries for the analysis he is asking me to do.  Just a
quick Google of "SQL Server query generator"  gets me these:

http://www.querytool.com/?gclid=COXT2a-i2o8CFQNlHgodhSWX1Q 
http://sqlmanager.net/products/tools/querybuilder 
http://www.activequerybuilder.com/ 

Has anyone ever used any of these or have any recommendations for other
tools like these?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From robert at webedb.com  Tue Nov 13 13:23:51 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:23:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2979.1194976232.29181.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.2979.1194976232.29181.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200711131926.lADJQr2O016019@databaseadvisors.com>

I would use SQL Server, create a job, and schedule it to run every X minutes.
The question would be if the hosting company would let you email from the
SQL Server.

At 11:50 AM 11/13/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:17:58 +0000
>From: Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [AccessD]  From Access to Hosted site???
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, 
>without this list I would have never got this thing to work as 
>is...but now its time to expand.  Currently, everything listed below 
>is done in access on a machine at my house.  I want to have it 
>hosted somewhere.  Here is what it does.
>
>1.  check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
>2.  gets ftp file
>3.  unzips file
>4.  imports file
>LOOP HERE
>5.  runs SQL against import
>6.  concantenates results of sql into string
>7.  emails string
>END LOOP
>
>Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs 
>and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are 
>stored in a table)
>
>At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I 
>just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted 
>site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>
>If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I 
>would...or can I?
>
>I'm really lost at this point.  I guess my question is..."To put 
>this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force 
>that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>
>I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I 
>need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan.  I don't know 
>where to start.
>
>Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks Again,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 14:13:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:13:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 4 Core cpu
Message-ID: <000401c82631$b1463340$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Does anyone out there have a quad core processor?  I am interested in how
the 4 cores work with SQL Server specifically.  I can tell you that moving
to a dual core made a huge difference in "response time" for allowing me to
do things simultaneously in SQL Server.  I am running a compact database (I
think / hope) and am also able to run queries, build indexes on other
databases etc.  I am just wondering how it looks with a quad core?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Nov 13 14:43:22 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).

Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup. (Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS mirrored drives).  I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that let's you host an Access application.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???




Drew,

There are a few reasons:

1.  There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
2.  Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
3.  I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users.  But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>
> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
> 2. gets ftp file
> 3. unzips file
> 4. imports file
> LOOP HERE
> 5. runs SQL against import
> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
> 7. emails string
> END LOOP
>
> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>
> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>
> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>
> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>
> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>
> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 15:26:37 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:26:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program' should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup. (Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
> 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
>> 2. gets ftp file
>> 3. unzips file
>> 4. imports file
>> LOOP HERE
>> 5. runs SQL against import
>> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
>> 7. emails string
>> END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 15:39:30 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:39:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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For that size application I would go with a site hosted on your own machine
(for now).  I would tend to think vb.net / sql server.  Once you get the
application ported and running then move it to a hosting site.  Lots of them
will allow VB.Net applications to run.  Until then you have total control
over everything.

Now, I can't claim 20/20 vision here since I do not host a web site from my
home, but you can get a business account with the cable company, get pretty
fair speeds, they know and are OK with web sites (over a business account)
and you can get fixed IP addresses.  Make it work, then swap it out to a pro
web hosting site later.

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind
leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng
about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL
table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program'
should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup.
(Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS
mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that
let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe
to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few 
> emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to
pay for a site with email capability 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as
possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes
down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and
never had a need to create something on this scale (availability
scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty
is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly,
without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now
its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on
a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it
does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes 2. gets ftp file 3. unzips 
>> file 4. imports file LOOP HERE 5. runs SQL against import 6. 
>> concantenates results of sql into string 7. emails string END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs 
>> and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are 
>> stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just
need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just
not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I
would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out
on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would
coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need
to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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OneCare!
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Nov 13 15:41:18 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:41:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E90@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Good question.  The problem is most hosting sites host web sites.  So you can have an Access .mdb, but they aren't going to actively run it for you.

There might be a company out there doing hosting like that, I just haven't heard of one.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program' should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup. (Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
> 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
>> 2. gets ftp file
>> 3. unzips file
>> 4. imports file
>> LOOP HERE
>> 5. runs SQL against import
>> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
>> 7. emails string
>> END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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From jengross at gte.net  Tue Nov 13 15:43:41 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:43:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00de01c8263e$4293cef0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

NetworkSolutions.com will let you host an Access app.  I have been
poking around for a hosting company and just happened to notice this a
few weeks ago.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).

Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup.
(Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS
mirrored drives).  I personally don't know of any hosting site out there
that let's you host an Access application.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???




Drew,

There are a few reasons:

1.  There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to
subscribe to this service and need to be available. 2.  Right now I use
docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will
need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site
with email capability 3.  I'm trying to get as mobile as
possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes
down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and
never had a need to create something on this scale (availability
scale)...typically never more than a few users.  But my biggest
uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, 
> without this list I would have never got this thing to work as 
> is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is

> done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted 
> somewhere. Here is what it does.
>
> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
> 2. gets ftp file
> 3. unzips file
> 4. imports file
> LOOP HERE
> 5. runs SQL against import
> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
> 7. emails string
> END LOOP
>
> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs 
> and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are 
> stored in a table)
>
> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just

> need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site 
> (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>
> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I 
> would...or can I?
>
> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this 
> out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that 
> would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>
> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I 
> need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know 
> where to start.
>
> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>
>
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From joeo at appoli.com  Tue Nov 13 15:53:03 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:53:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Mark,

There is no reason why you cannot leave it in Access and utilize a third party hosting service.  In addition to providing email services (both POP and Exchange), my company provides hosting services for many of our clients, including Terminal Services running Access applications.

If you can provide details of your requirements, I will be able to provide a quote for hosting your application.  What version of Access are you using?  What are the bandwidth requirements?  How long does it take to process each zip file?  Is the usage constant throughout the day, or are there peaks and valleys?  How large are the emails?  Do you have a preference for the email system that is used?  Are the emails text only or are they HTML?

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program' should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup. (Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
> 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
>> 2. gets ftp file
>> 3. unzips file
>> 4. imports file
>> LOOP HERE
>> 5. runs SQL against import
>> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
>> 7. emails string
>> END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Nov 13 15:55:09 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:55:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E90@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E90@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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The hosting companies that offer dedicated servers and virtual private
servers will allow you to load anything you'd like, as long as it doesn't
violate their terms of service (EX: no naughty sites, spamming, etc.).

So if you go to a host like:
http://www.maximumasp.com/products/virtualDedicated/, you'll find that
you'll be able to install programs, reboot the server, etc, without having
to risk downtime because the idiots behind you chopped up your buried phone
line while building a new house ... (happened to me several times in the
past few years). 

On my dedicated box, I've installed custom components (Browserhawk,
SmarterMail, etc.), all without the help or approval of the host. You
shouldn't have any problem at least installing a runtime version of Access
on one of these hosts. 

Larry Mrazek
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???

Good question.  The problem is most hosting sites host web sites.  So you
can have an Access .mdb, but they aren't going to actively run it for you.

There might be a company out there doing hosting like that, I just haven't
heard of one.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind
leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng
about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL
table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program'
should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup.
(Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS
mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that
let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe
to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few 
> emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to
pay for a site with email capability 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as
possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes
down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and
never had a need to create something on this scale (availability
scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty
is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly,
without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now
its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on
a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it
does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes 2. gets ftp file 3. unzips 
>> file 4. imports file LOOP HERE 5. runs SQL against import 6. 
>> concantenates results of sql into string 7. emails string END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs 
>> and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are 
>> stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just
need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just
not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I
would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out
on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would
coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need
to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 16:45:28 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:45:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Query builder
In-Reply-To: <001201c8261a$24ba3f50$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <001201c8261a$24ba3f50$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <b874372a0711131445j7ddde1b0m411b186dcb9413f8@mail.gmail.com>

If you're looking for tools I would check out the toolbelt from Red-Gate
software
http://www.red-gate.com/index.htm

For standardizing your existing code you can use the sql refractor tool, but
to build new queries quickly with intellisense-like technology, then use
sql-prompt. I really do enjoy this tool. (I do have this and sql-compare
plus sql backup from red gate, they tend to really put out quality software


On Nov 13, 2007 9:25 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> My client is asking if there is a tool I can buy to make me more
> productive
> in building the queries for the analysis he is asking me to do.  Just a
> quick Google of "SQL Server query generator"  gets me these:
>
> http://www.querytool.com/?gclid=COXT2a-i2o8CFQNlHgodhSWX1Q
> http://sqlmanager.net/products/tools/querybuilder
> http://www.activequerybuilder.com/
>
> Has anyone ever used any of these or have any recommendations for other
> tools like these?
>
> John W. Colby
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 14 00:03:05 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:33:05 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB2459
	7D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local> 
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> 
	<00c901c82605$35a1fe80$6c57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <018401c82684$14393090$0f57a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    Were you able to try the solution given in my post of 13-Nov-2007 ?

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.TEJPAL 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 20:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


  Rocky,

      You wish to trap the trailing spaces in a text box, while using its contents for applying filter. This calls for certain special measures as trailing spaces (if any) get lost while exiting the text box.

      Sample code in form's module, as given below, demonstrates application of filter on a subform, duly taking into account the contents of text box (including trailing spaces if any) located on the parent form.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Sample code in form's module
  Txt1 is the name of text box where criteria string is
  entered. SF_Sub is the name of control holding the
  subform. Clicking command button named CmdFilter
  applies filter on subform records - duly taking into
  account the trailing blanks (if any) in text box Txt1
  PCode is the name of field on which filter is applied.
  '=================================
  ' Declarations section
  Private RefTxt As String
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdFilter_Click()
      With Me.SF_Sub.Form
          .Filter = "PCode Like '" & RefTxt & "*'"
          .FilterOn = True
      End With
  End Sub
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Txt1_Change()
      RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
  End Sub
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Txt1_Enter()
      RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
  End Sub
  '=================================


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 07:17
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
    setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from the
    Change event of the text box.

    Rocky

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky, the
    list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping keystrokes,
    make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

    Charlotte Foust

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
    Beach Access Software
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    Dear List:
     
    I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list box
    based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and retain
    trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
    presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning with
    R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name beginning
    with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
     
    Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
    string?
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 14 00:20:49 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:20:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <018401c82684$14393090$0f57a27a@personalec1122>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00c901c82605$35a1fe80$6c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<018401c82684$14393090$0f57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <010c01c82686$808a0060$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:

A modification.  Or subset.  Looking at your code I could see that it was
the .Text property that I was missing.  So instead of making the row source
WHERE clauses from the text boxes, I stored the contents of the text boxes
in strings using the .Text property (strLastName = Me.txtLastName.Text).
The strings have the trailing blank so I use the strings to construct the
WHERE clause instead of the contents of the text boxes.

This works well to insert one blank.  But it won't do more than one blank.
I know how to solve this with a bit of code but I have  to ask the client if
that's really necessary.  The original requirement for the blank was a
company named R & R.  The client wanted to filter on that.  I think the need
to filter on a string that contains two blanks is astronomically small.  But
I'll ask.

With best regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

Rocky,

    Were you able to try the solution given in my post of 13-Nov-2007 ?

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: A.D.TEJPAL
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 20:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


  Rocky,

      You wish to trap the trailing spaces in a text box, while using its
contents for applying filter. This calls for certain special measures as
trailing spaces (if any) get lost while exiting the text box.

      Sample code in form's module, as given below, demonstrates application
of filter on a subform, duly taking into account the contents of text box
(including trailing spaces if any) located on the parent form.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Sample code in form's module
  Txt1 is the name of text box where criteria string is
  entered. SF_Sub is the name of control holding the
  subform. Clicking command button named CmdFilter
  applies filter on subform records - duly taking into
  account the trailing blanks (if any) in text box Txt1
  PCode is the name of field on which filter is applied.
  '=================================
  ' Declarations section
  Private RefTxt As String
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdFilter_Click()
      With Me.SF_Sub.Form
          .Filter = "PCode Like '" & RefTxt & "*'"
          .FilterOn = True
      End With
  End Sub
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Txt1_Change()
      RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
  End Sub
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Txt1_Enter()
      RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
  End Sub
  '=================================


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 07:17
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
    setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from
the
    Change event of the text box.

    Rocky

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky,
the
    list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping
keystrokes,
    make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

    Charlotte Foust

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
    Beach Access Software
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    Dear List:
     
    I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list
box
    based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and
retain
    trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
    presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning
with
    R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name
beginning
    with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
     
    Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
    string?
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 14 07:09:34 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:39:34 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a27a@personalec1122>

John,

    User defined function is found more convenient for such a situation. Sample query Q_Results, as given below, making use of function Fn_SurveyResults() given below, should get the desired results.

    PersonID, Qn and Ans are the fields (all text type) in table T_Survey.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Q_Results
==================================
SELECT T_Survey.PersonID, Fn_SurveyResults([PersonID]) AS SurveyResult 
FROM T_Survey 
GROUP BY T_Survey.PersonID;
==================================

Fn_SurveyResults()
'==================================
Function Fn_SurveyResults(Pid _
                        As String) As String
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    
    Qst = "SELECT Qn, Ans " & _
            "FROM T_Survey " & _
            "WHERE PersonID = '" & _
            Pid & "' ORDER BY Qn;"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(Qst)
    ' Note - For repeated calls from a query,
    '            DBEngine(0)(0) is preferred over
    '            CurrentDb
    
    Txt = ""
    Do Until rst.EOF
        Txt = Txt & ", [" & rst.Fields("Qn") & _
                " - " & rst.Fields("Ans") & "]"
        rst.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    ' Get rid of leading comma if any
    If Len(Txt) > 0 Then
        Txt = Mid(Txt, 3)
    End If
    
    Fn_SurveyResults = Txt
    
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
End Function
'==================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 18:23
  Subject: [AccessD] merging records


  I have tables of information about people.  The tables represent polls that
  people have taken, so if a person takes a poll about brands of cigarettes
  smoked, the table would have a record about that person for that poll.  If
  that same person took a poll about software used, the table would have a NEW
  record with information about the same person, but about the software that
  person used.  And so forth and so on.  Now I need to "roll up" all of the
  information about a person into a single record so that one record contains
  all of the information about that person contained in all of the records
  about that person in the table.

  Is this possible directly in SQL?  Do I need to write code to iterate
  through the table finding each person and all the records for that person,
  and then consolidating the information from the second and subsequent
  records into the first record found?

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 14 07:39:35 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:39:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90>

A.D.,

Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
for example:

FName LName	Addr	Smokes Softdrink Car
John  Colby	1723	N	 ''	     ''
John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort

In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
"sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length, type,
engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin, Etc.
Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
phones etc.

Thus there are entire sets of fields where there are answers, and
potentially (other than name / address) those may be the ONLY fields with
data, or potentially someone in the past has already merged the car fields
and the medical fields but not the electronics fields.

I am attempting to allow a form of data mining I guess, but not really.  The
user wants to be able to ask questions like "return name and address for all
people who smoke and drive a Chevy and purchased CBs".  Let's not get bogged
down in "why would he ask that", I am not saying that he will, that is just
an example.  Let's simply assume that he can ask for where clauses on ANY
combination of fields.  Obviously if the answers to fields are scattered out
in multiple records, then it becomes difficult to provide a name set who fit
all the criteria because they don't fit all the criteria in any one record.

Thus I need to merge the data for a single person at a single address into a
single record.  I can, and often but not always do, have several records for
a given person at that same address.

My gut tells me that this is a "software" kind of solution.  There are just
too many fields to manually type in all the field names that need merging.
I need to be able to say something like... merge fields 78-740.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records

John,

    User defined function is found more convenient for such a situation.
Sample query Q_Results, as given below, making use of function
Fn_SurveyResults() given below, should get the desired results.

    PersonID, Qn and Ans are the fields (all text type) in table T_Survey.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Q_Results
==================================
SELECT T_Survey.PersonID, Fn_SurveyResults([PersonID]) AS SurveyResult FROM
T_Survey GROUP BY T_Survey.PersonID; ==================================

Fn_SurveyResults()
'==================================
Function Fn_SurveyResults(Pid _
                        As String) As String
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    
    Qst = "SELECT Qn, Ans " & _
            "FROM T_Survey " & _
            "WHERE PersonID = '" & _
            Pid & "' ORDER BY Qn;"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(Qst)
    ' Note - For repeated calls from a query,
    '            DBEngine(0)(0) is preferred over
    '            CurrentDb
    
    Txt = ""
    Do Until rst.EOF
        Txt = Txt & ", [" & rst.Fields("Qn") & _
                " - " & rst.Fields("Ans") & "]"
        rst.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    ' Get rid of leading comma if any
    If Len(Txt) > 0 Then
        Txt = Mid(Txt, 3)
    End If
    
    Fn_SurveyResults = Txt
    
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
End Function
'==================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jwcolby
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ;
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 18:23
  Subject: [AccessD] merging records


  I have tables of information about people.  The tables represent polls
that
  people have taken, so if a person takes a poll about brands of cigarettes
  smoked, the table would have a record about that person for that poll.  If
  that same person took a poll about software used, the table would have a
NEW
  record with information about the same person, but about the software that
  person used.  And so forth and so on.  Now I need to "roll up" all of the
  information about a person into a single record so that one record
contains
  all of the information about that person contained in all of the records
  about that person in the table.

  Is this possible directly in SQL?  Do I need to write code to iterate
  through the table finding each person and all the records for that person,
  and then consolidating the information from the second and subsequent
  records into the first record found?

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 14 13:49:48 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:19:48 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90><002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a
	27a@personalec1122> <002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>

John,

    Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.

    As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:

    1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

    2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.

    3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.

    Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

    Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
'=====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results for each person in source table
    ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
    ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Fv As Variant
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fd As Field
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    
    ' Comma separated string of all field names
    ' that do not directly carry survey response
    Const ExemptFields As String = _
            "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        For Each fd In tdf.Fields
            Fnm = fd.Name
            If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
            Else
                Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                
                If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                            "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                Else
                    Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                End If
                
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 19:09
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.,

  Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
  are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
  Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
  for example:

  FName LName Addr Smokes Softdrink Car
  John  Colby 1723 N ''      ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort

  In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
  "sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length, type,
  engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin, Etc.
  Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
  phones etc.

  << SNIPPED to prevent overall size crossing limits >>

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 14 14:41:46 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:41:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90><002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a27a@personalec1122>
	<002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <004401c826fe$c6bbe350$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Precisely.  I will most likely run this in VB.Net since it has to eventually
process 50 million records.  

I long ago generated a hash field for the address, family (address+lastName)
and Person (Address+Family+FirstName) so I have hash fields to allow me to
find the "same person", ignoring such problems as John Colby and John W.
Colby at the same address.  

This project is one of the reasons I was asking the question about iterating
the fields of a class in .Net.  If I build a class which is instantiated
once for each record for a given person, I can then update the first
instance using the data in the subsequent instances, and when done, write
the first instance back to the table (or a new table).  

If I do it correctly the classes of the extraneous records can be told to
delete their record in the table after each "person" recordset is scrubbed.
I can put a system like this on autopilot to run over a week or month,
however long it might take.  And with 50 million records it is going to take
awhile.  But with a VB.Net program running in the background scrubbing the
table, I can continue to use the table, with increasing accuracy as the
table is being scrubbed.

None of the other providers for my client has ever attempted to do this, for
obvious reasons (it ain't easy!).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records

John,

    Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group
of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to
display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing
only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the
record.

    As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:

    1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID
(PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other
fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

    2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be
identical to that of T_Data.

    3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one
record.

    Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine
P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with
the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out
and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

    Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file
format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results T_data is source table.
Results are appended to T_Result.
'=====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results for each person in source table
    ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
    ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Fv As Variant
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fd As Field
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    
    ' Comma separated string of all field names
    ' that do not directly carry survey response
    Const ExemptFields As String = _
            "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        For Each fd In tdf.Fields
            Fnm = fd.Name
            If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
            Else
                Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                
                If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                            "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                Else
                    Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                End If
                
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jwcolby
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 19:09
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.,

  Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
  are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
  Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
  for example:

  FName LName Addr Smokes Softdrink Car
  John  Colby 1723 N ''      ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort

  In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
  "sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length,
type,
  engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin,
Etc.
  Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
  phones etc.

  << SNIPPED to prevent overall size crossing limits >>

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From robert at servicexp.com  Wed Nov 14 14:43:52 2007
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:43:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90><002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a	27a@personalec1122>
	<002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <473B5E08.8010808@servicexp.com>

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A.D.,
 Nice, that is very cooooool....

Robert

A.D.TEJPAL wrote:
> John,
> 
>     Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.
> 
>     As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:
> 
>     1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.
> 
>     2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.
> 
>     3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.
> 
>     Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.
> 
>     Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6
> 
> Best wishes,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
> 
> Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
> T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
> '=====================================
> Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
>     ' This subroutine merges the survey
>     ' results for each person in source table
>     ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
>     ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
>     ' is identical to that of T_Data
>     ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
>     
>     Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
>     Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
>     Dim Fv As Variant
>     
>     Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
>     Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
>     Dim fd As Field
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
>     Dim db As DAO.Database
>     
>     Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
>     Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
>     Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
>     
>     ' Comma separated string of all field names
>     ' that do not directly carry survey response
>     Const ExemptFields As String = _
>             "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
>     
>     Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
>     
>     ' Clear destination table
>     db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
>                     DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
>     
>     Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
>             "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
>             " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
>             "LastName, Address;"
>     Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
>     
>     Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
>     
>     Do Until rst1.EOF
>         Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
>                 " SELECT '" & _
>                 rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
>                 "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
>                 "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
>                 "' AS Address,"
>         For Each fd In tdf.Fields
>             Fnm = fd.Name
>             If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
>             Else
>                 Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
>                         " FROM " & SourceTable & _
>                         " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
>                         rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
>                         "' AND LastName = '" & _
>                         rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
>                         "' AND Address = '" & _
>                         rst1.Fields("Address") & _
>                         "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
>                 Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
>                 
>                 If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
>                     Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
>                             "' AS " & Fnm & ","
>                 Else
>                     Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
>                 End If
>                 
>             End If
>         Next
>         
>         ' Remove trailing comma
>         Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
>         Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
>         
>         ' Append to destination table
>         db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
>         
>         rst1.MoveNext
>     Loop
>     
>     rst1.Close
>     rst2.Close
>     Set rst1 = Nothing
>     Set rst2 = Nothing
>     Set fd = Nothing
>     Set tdf = Nothing
>     Set db = Nothing
> End Sub
> '=====================================
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jwcolby 
>   To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 19:09
>   Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records
> 
> 
>   A.D.,
> 
>   Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
>   are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
>   Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
>   for example:
> 
>   FName LName Addr Smokes Softdrink Car
>   John  Colby 1723 N ''      ''
>   John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
>   John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort
> 
>   In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
>   "sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length, type,
>   engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin, Etc.
>   Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
>   phones etc.
> 
>   << SNIPPED to prevent overall size crossing limits >>
> 
>   John W. Colby
>   Colby Consulting
>   www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 18:29:42 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:29:42 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
Message-ID: <200711150029.lAF0Tr06021471@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and rs.MoveFirst to
populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount - Simple

When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error about
backward fetching

"Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)

Rowset does not support fetching backward

If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works 

Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second recordset -
snip not included for that)

Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to compare one
rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they differ then do something
- else forget about it

Make sense?

Many thanks in advance

DD

 

 

'#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB

Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection

Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset

Dim selSQL1 As String

Dim intRecordCount As Integer

Dim i As Integer

 

selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"

conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and passed from
a function here

conn1.Open

 

rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1

 

intRecordCount = 0

 

With rs1

    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then

        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error

        rs1.MoveFirst

        

        Do Until rs1.EOF

          End If

             End With

            rs1.MoveNext

            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1

        Loop

    Else

    End If

End With



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 19:12:08 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:12:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
References: <200711150029.lAF0Tr06021471@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <02de01c82724$8d560570$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

ADO's default cursor type is Forward-Only. You can't move backward, so the 
MoveLast method returns an error.

ADO cursors:

dbOpenForwardOnly (the default): static copy, moves forward only
dbOpenStatic    static copy, all movement enabled
dbOpenDynamic    Updates are immediate and all types of movement are enabled 
(not supported by Jet OLEDB provider), so Jet defaults to adOpenKeyset
dbOpenKeyset    All records are updateable, but you can't see additions and 
deletions, all movements are enabled.

Choose your poison wisely. :)

Susan H.


Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO


> Hi All
>
>
>
> When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and rs.MoveFirst 
> to
> populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount - Simple
>
> When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error 
> about
> backward fetching
>
> "Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
> Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
> If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works
>
> Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second 
> recordset -
> snip not included for that)
>
> Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to compare 
> one
> rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they differ then do 
> something
> - else forget about it
>
> Make sense?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
>
>
>
>
> '#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
> Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
> Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
> Dim selSQL1 As String
>
> Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
> Dim i As Integer
>
>
>
> selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
> conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and passed 
> from
> a function here
>
> conn1.Open
>
>
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
>
>
>
> intRecordCount = 0
>
>
>
> With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
> End With
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 20:30:14 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:30:14 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
In-Reply-To: <02de01c82724$8d560570$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <200711150230.lAF2UVSL019384@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Susan
Brilliant - Many thanks
I chose dbOpenStatic

rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
becomes
rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

ADO's default cursor type is Forward-Only. You can't move backward, so the 
MoveLast method returns an error.

ADO cursors:

dbOpenForwardOnly (the default): static copy, moves forward only
dbOpenStatic    static copy, all movement enabled
dbOpenDynamic    Updates are immediate and all types of movement are enabled 
(not supported by Jet OLEDB provider), so Jet defaults to adOpenKeyset
dbOpenKeyset    All records are updateable, but you can't see additions and 
deletions, all movements are enabled.

Choose your poison wisely. :)

Susan H.


Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO


> Hi All
>
>
>
> When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and rs.MoveFirst 
> to
> populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount - Simple
>
> When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error 
> about
> backward fetching
>
> "Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
> Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
> If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works
>
> Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second 
> recordset -
> snip not included for that)
>
> Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to compare 
> one
> rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they differ then do 
> something
> - else forget about it
>
> Make sense?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
>
>
>
>
> '#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
> Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
> Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
> Dim selSQL1 As String
>
> Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
> Dim i As Integer
>
>
>
> selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
> conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and passed 
> from
> a function here
>
> conn1.Open
>
>
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
>
>
>
> intRecordCount = 0
>
>
>
> With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
> End With
>
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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed Nov 14 20:55:00 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:55:00 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
References: <200711150230.lAF2UVSL019384@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0128A09A@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Havn't used ADO for a while but I have 2 comments.
I thought ADO didn't require movelast movefirst to get a rowcount?
Rather then populating 2 recordsets (potentially expensive) why not just
execute 2 select count(1) from table queries?
Then populate the recordset if required.

cheers

Michael M

Hi Susan
Brilliant - Many thanks
I chose dbOpenStatic

rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
becomes
rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

ADO's default cursor type is Forward-Only. You can't move backward, so
the MoveLast method returns an error.

ADO cursors:

dbOpenForwardOnly (the default): static copy, moves forward only
dbOpenStatic    static copy, all movement enabled
dbOpenDynamic    Updates are immediate and all types of movement are
enabled 
(not supported by Jet OLEDB provider), so Jet defaults to adOpenKeyset
dbOpenKeyset    All records are updateable, but you can't see additions
and 
deletions, all movements are enabled.

Choose your poison wisely. :)

Susan H.


Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO


> Hi All
>
>
>
> When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and 
> rs.MoveFirst to populate the rs and then can do an accurate 
> rs.recordCount - Simple
>
> When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error

> about backward fetching
>
> "Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
> Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
> If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works
>
> Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second 
> recordset - snip not included for that)
>
> Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to 
> compare one rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they 
> differ then do something
> - else forget about it
>
> Make sense?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
>
>
>
>
> '#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
> Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
> Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
> Dim selSQL1 As String
>
> Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
> Dim i As Integer
>
>
>
> selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
> conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and 
> passed from a function here
>
> conn1.Open
>
>
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
>
>
>
> intRecordCount = 0
>
>
>
> With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
> End With
>
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Wed Nov 14 21:57:58 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:57:58 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
Message-ID: <20071115135758.DHO77064@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Darren,

In ADO

Just execute 

rs.RecordCount 

which works with :        .CursorType = adOpenKeyset

regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:29:42 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi All
>
> 
>
>When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and
rs.MoveFirst to
>populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount -
Simple
>
>When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a
strange error about
>backward fetching
>
>"Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
>Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
>If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works 
>
>Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a
second recordset -
>snip not included for that)
>
>Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want
to compare one
>rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they
differ then do something
>- else forget about it
>
>Make sense?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>DD
>
> 
>
> 
>
>'#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
>Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
>Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
>Dim selSQL1 As String
>
>Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
>Dim i As Integer
>
> 
>
>selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
>conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set
up and passed from
>a function here
>
>conn1.Open
>
> 
>
>rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
>
> 
>
>intRecordCount = 0
>
> 
>
>With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get
the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>        
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
>End With
>
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 14 22:51:59 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:21:59 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90><002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a
	27a@personalec1122><002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90><001e01c826f7$b3738
	890$c857a27a@personalec1122> <473B5E08.8010808@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <012001c82743$96006700$a857a27a@personalec1122>

    Thanks Robert!  So nice of you.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 02:13
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
  Hash: SHA1

  A.D.,

   Nice, that is very cooooool....

  Robert

  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:
  > John,
  > 
  >     Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.
  > 
  >     As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:
  > 
  >     1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.
  > 
  >     2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.
  > 
  >     3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.
  > 
  >     Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.
  > 
  >     Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6
  > 
  > Best wishes,
  > A.D.Tejpal
  > ------------
  > 
  > Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
  > T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
  > '=====================================
  > Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
  >     ' This subroutine merges the survey
  >     ' results for each person in source table
  >     ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
  >     ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
  >     ' is identical to that of T_Data
  >     ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
  >     
  >     Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
  >     Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
  >     Dim Fv As Variant
  >     
  >     Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
  >     Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
  >     Dim fd As Field
  >     Dim tdf As TableDef
  >     Dim db As DAO.Database
  >     
  >     Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
  >     Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
  >     Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
  >     
  >     ' Comma separated string of all field names
  >     ' that do not directly carry survey response
  >     Const ExemptFields As String = _
  >             "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
  >     
  >     Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
  >     
  >     ' Clear destination table
  >     db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
  >                     DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
  >     
  >     Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
  >             "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
  >             " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
  >             "LastName, Address;"
  >     Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
  >     
  >     Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
  >     
  >     Do Until rst1.EOF
  >         Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
  >                 " SELECT '" & _
  >                 rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
  >                 "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
  >                 "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
  >                 "' AS Address,"
  >         For Each fd In tdf.Fields
  >             Fnm = fd.Name
  >             If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
  >             Else
  >                 Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
  >                         " FROM " & SourceTable & _
  >                         " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
  >                         rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
  >                         "' AND LastName = '" & _
  >                         rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
  >                         "' AND Address = '" & _
  >                         rst1.Fields("Address") & _
  >                         "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
  >                 Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
  >                 
  >                 If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
  >                     Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
  >                             "' AS " & Fnm & ","
  >                 Else
  >                     Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
  >                 End If
  >                 
  >             End If
  >         Next
  >         
  >         ' Remove trailing comma
  >         Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
  >         Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
  >         
  >         ' Append to destination table
  >         db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
  >         
  >         rst1.MoveNext
  >     Loop
  >     
  >     rst1.Close
  >     rst2.Close
  >     Set rst1 = Nothing
  >     Set rst2 = Nothing
  >     Set fd = Nothing
  >     Set tdf = Nothing
  >     Set db = Nothing
  > End Sub
  > '=====================================

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 23:10:49 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:49 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
In-Reply-To: <20071113102645.DHJ48961@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <200711150511.lAF5BEkb003143@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Borge

Thanks for the reply - I can see this is very efficient compared to the way I
was doing it
And - It works - kinda
If I use code similar to

	Dim strForm As String
          strForm = "frmRunDetails"
          DoCmd.OpenForm strForm '"frmRunDetails"
          Set Forms(strForm).Recordset = rs1

And ensure the form is not bound to any table or query - I get only 1 row
showing at a time
Even though the form is a continuous form and there are plenty of rows to show
I can scroll through all the records but only displaying one row at a time

Is there a trick to get the form to show say 20 records of say 200 then let the
user scroll as normal through 180 or so not showing?

Also I have text boxes at the footer of the form showing up with #Error using
the set RS method- They have things like...="Total Runs: " & Count([RunNo]) as
their control source
Any way around this too?

Many thanks

DD

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pcs at azizaz.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form

Darren,
Try:

Set Forms(strFrm).Recordset = rs

where rs is the recordset you have created and strForm is a
string variable holding the name of your Form 

Regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:46 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi Arthur 
>
>This sounds very efficient - Cool
>
>Now the tricky bit...
>
>How do I 'bind' a continuous form in access 2003 (NOT ADP) to
a SPROC or view in
>SQL SVR?
>
>Thanks
>
>Darren
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 10:53 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form
>
>Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or
view and use it
>as the record source?
>
>A.
>
>On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hi team
>>
>>
>>
>> Access 2003
>>
>>
>>
>> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>>
>>
>>
>> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp
tables with the
>> results -
>> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>>
>>
>>
>> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it
is possible to
>> cut
>> out the middle man -
>>
>>
>>
>> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a
continuous form with
>> the
>> various results straight from the rs object
>>
>>
>>
>> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from
tblAccounts may
>> return
>> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>>
>>
>>
>> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code
into a
>> continuous
>> form without populating a temp table first?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is
using a temp table
>> perfectly reasonable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a great day
>>
>>
>>
>> Darren
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 23:15:02 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:15:02 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
In-Reply-To: <20071115135758.DHO77064@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <200711150515.lAF5FQlR007806@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Borge

I am now realising I can get the rs1.RecordCount without 'populating' using
rs1.MoveLast and rs1.MoveFirst - Cool - It is in place now

But there are occasions where I do need to get to the last record so I can
display the description of the last record on the users form
EG In code in the line after rs1.MoveLast I have a line that reads
Me.lblDisplay.Caption = "Current Run: " & rs!RunDescription
Then the next line is .MoveFirst and then after that I do a loop and then I do
all the .Update stuff after that

Many thanks for your reply

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pcs at azizaz.com
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 2:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

Darren,

In ADO

Just execute 

rs.RecordCount 

which works with :        .CursorType = adOpenKeyset

regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:29:42 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi All
>
> 
>
>When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and
rs.MoveFirst to
>populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount -
Simple
>
>When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a
strange error about
>backward fetching
>
>"Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
>Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
>If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works 
>
>Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a
second recordset -
>snip not included for that)
>
>Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want
to compare one
>rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they
differ then do something
>- else forget about it
>
>Make sense?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>DD
>
> 
>
> 
>
>'#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
>Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
>Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
>Dim selSQL1 As String
>
>Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
>Dim i As Integer
>
> 
>
>selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
>conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set
up and passed from
>a function here
>
>conn1.Open
>
> 
>
>rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
>
> 
>
>intRecordCount = 0
>
> 
>
>With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get
the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>        
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
>End With
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 23:19:13 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:13 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0128A09A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <200711150519.lAF5JcXP009071@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Michael

Excellent - this is what Borge Suggested too
I have implemented it for the bits where I just need a record count
And I use the full blown rs1.Movelast rs1.moveFirst then a Loop for the bits
where I need to update a local table

I am grateful for the replies

Many thanks

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Maddison
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 1:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

Havn't used ADO for a while but I have 2 comments.
I thought ADO didn't require movelast movefirst to get a rowcount?
Rather then populating 2 recordsets (potentially expensive) why not just
execute 2 select count(1) from table queries?
Then populate the recordset if required.

cheers

Michael M

Hi Susan
Brilliant - Many thanks
I chose dbOpenStatic

rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
becomes
rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

ADO's default cursor type is Forward-Only. You can't move backward, so
the MoveLast method returns an error.

ADO cursors:

dbOpenForwardOnly (the default): static copy, moves forward only
dbOpenStatic    static copy, all movement enabled
dbOpenDynamic    Updates are immediate and all types of movement are
enabled 
(not supported by Jet OLEDB provider), so Jet defaults to adOpenKeyset
dbOpenKeyset    All records are updateable, but you can't see additions
and 
deletions, all movements are enabled.

Choose your poison wisely. :)

Susan H.


Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO


> Hi All
>
>
>
> When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and 
> rs.MoveFirst to populate the rs and then can do an accurate 
> rs.recordCount - Simple
>
> When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error

> about backward fetching
>
> "Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
> Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
> If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works
>
> Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second 
> recordset - snip not included for that)
>
> Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to 
> compare one rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they 
> differ then do something
> - else forget about it
>
> Make sense?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
>
>
>
>
> '#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
> Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
> Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
> Dim selSQL1 As String
>
> Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
> Dim i As Integer
>
>
>
> selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
> conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and 
> passed from a function here
>
> conn1.Open
>
>
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
>
>
>
> intRecordCount = 0
>
>
>
> With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
> End With
>
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Wed Nov 14 23:41:56 2007
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:41:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
Message-ID: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>

My boss asked me today "What would be the effort to make an existing Microsoft Access application usable on the Web".  I could find no references in any of the books I have as a reference.  Any idea what I can say or where to look?

Thanks for the thoughts and chuckles

John

From pcs at azizaz.com  Thu Nov 15 00:11:44 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:11:44 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
Message-ID: <20071115161144.DHO89409@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Darren,
Sorry, no immediate suggestion to your question about the
calculated text controls in the Footer...

I don't fully understand how you have designed your Form...

We normally split the UI into a Summary Form and a Detail Form...

The Summary Form is a continous form that also allow us to
scroll horizontal across the columns of a row.... There are
usually a number of predefined selection criteria in the Form
Footer (a combo box served up by an auxiliary table holding
information about SPs that corresponds to each of these
predefined selection criteria)..... On the Summary Form above
the text control and label that forms each column we have
another unbound text control that functions as a 'filter' -
the user can enter filter criteria in any of these controls -
if an ad hoc 'filter' like that is present it will work in
conjunction with the predefined selection criteria that has
been selected. The  code module will then fetch the chunks of
SQL that was used to create the SP (the auxiliary table holds
the PK - Description - Name of SP - "Select Part" of SP in
memo field - "Where Part" of SP in memo field - "Order By"
Part in memo field) and along with the ad hoc filter provided
the code will build the SQL string that now is to be used to
fetch the record set from the Server instead of the
straightforward SP. Using ADO recordset....

Clicking on a column will open the Detail Form on the PK of
the Summary Form record... Using query on ODBC linked table(s)
limited to one record selected by the PK provided.... On the
Detail Form we have a combo box that gets populated with the
sub set of records from the Summary Form limited to the first
100 if the Summary Form shows more than 100 records.... So,
rather than scrolling on the Detail Form, the User clicks on
the combo box to select another record from the subset arrived
at on the Summary Form. 

On the Summary Form you normally show all the essential static
information about the records at hand plus any additional
fields that is relevant to search on ..... 

This provides the User with a very effective way of quickly
drilling down to the subset of records that the User will be
working on in more detail.... 

The record set on the Summary Form can be made up of any
complex (and non-updatable) query ....

I don't know if this is relevant to you...

Borge


---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:49 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi Borge
>
>Thanks for the reply - I can see this is very efficient
compared to the way I
>was doing it
>And - It works - kinda
>If I use code similar to
>
>	Dim strForm As String
>          strForm = "frmRunDetails"
>          DoCmd.OpenForm strForm '"frmRunDetails"
>          Set Forms(strForm).Recordset = rs1
>
>And ensure the form is not bound to any table or query - I
get only 1 row
>showing at a time
>Even though the form is a continuous form and there are
plenty of rows to show
>I can scroll through all the records but only displaying one
row at a time
>
>Is there a trick to get the form to show say 20 records of
say 200 then let the
>user scroll as normal through 180 or so not showing?
>
>Also I have text boxes at the footer of the form showing up
with #Error using
>the set RS method- They have things like...="Total Runs: " &
Count([RunNo]) as
>their control source
>Any way around this too?
>
>Many thanks
>
>DD
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
pcs at azizaz.com
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 11:27 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form
>
>Darren,
>Try:
>
>Set Forms(strFrm).Recordset = rs
>
>where rs is the recordset you have created and strForm is a
>string variable holding the name of your Form 
>
>Regards
>Borge
>
>---- Original message ----
>>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:46 +1100
>>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
>Continuous form  
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>Hi Arthur 
>>
>>This sounds very efficient - Cool
>>
>>Now the tricky bit...
>>
>>How do I 'bind' a continuous form in access 2003 (NOT ADP) to
>a SPROC or view in
>>SQL SVR?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Darren
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>Arthur Fuller
>>Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 10:53 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
>Continuous form
>>
>>Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or
>view and use it
>>as the record source?
>>
>>A.
>>
>>On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi team
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Access 2003
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp
>tables with the
>>> results -
>>> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it
>is possible to
>>> cut
>>> out the middle man -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a
>continuous form with
>>> the
>>> various results straight from the rs object
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from
>tblAccounts may
>>> return
>>> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code
>into a
>>> continuous
>>> form without populating a temp table first?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is
>using a temp table
>>> perfectly reasonable?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a great day
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Darren
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 15 02:13:00 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:13:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
Message-ID: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.

But - as you have the DAO recordset present - why not use AddNew/Update to replace the slow "Insert Into .." SQL execution?

/gustav

>>> adtp at airtelbroadband.in 14-11-2007 20:49 >>>
John,

    Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.

    As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:

    1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

    2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.

    3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.

    Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

    Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
'=====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results for each person in source table
    ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
    ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Fv As Variant
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fd As Field
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    
    ' Comma separated string of all field names
    ' that do not directly carry survey response
    Const ExemptFields As String = _
            "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        For Each fd In tdf.Fields
            Fnm = fd.Name
            If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
            Else
                Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                
                If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                            "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                Else
                    Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                End If
                
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 19:09
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.,

  Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
  are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
  Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
  for example:

  FName LName Addr Smokes Softdrink Car
  John  Colby 1723 N ''      ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort

  In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
  "sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length, type,
  engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin, Etc.
  Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
  phones etc.

  << SNIPPED to prevent overall size crossing limits >>

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 07:10:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:10:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
Message-ID: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 


From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Nov 15 07:22:59 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:22:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <061301c8278a$a4c7d970$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 07:42:07 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:42:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <061301c8278a$a4c7d970$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<061301c8278a$a4c7d970$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <002a01c8278d$511b6140$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Nov 15 07:44:30 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:44:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000901c8278d$a6170e60$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...looked a number of times but the first problem was always been the length 
of time required to backup 40+ gigs over the net ...doesn't matter who the 
vendor is ...it would require days, not hours, over dsl for the first full 
backup and then incrementals can take hours themselves.

...but the real problem to me is system restoration on fail ...if file 
backup were my only consideration then web might be feasible ...but if the 
server fails and your only backup is the web then you're looking at a very, 
very long outage vs an hour fom tape and minutes from a hard disk b/u.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 07:58:18 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:58:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <000901c8278d$a6170e60$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c8278d$a6170e60$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <008801c8278f$93c8dc00$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Agreed on all counts.  I think web backup is great for some types of backup,
specifically files such as company documents or pictures.  I must say that
security would be a concern of mine though.  With all the issues of data
theft...

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

...looked a number of times but the first problem was always been the length
of time required to backup 40+ gigs over the net ...doesn't matter who the
vendor is ...it would require days, not hours, over dsl for the first full
backup and then incrementals can take hours themselves.

...but the real problem to me is system restoration on fail ...if file
backup were my only consideration then web might be feasible ...but if the
server fails and your only backup is the web then you're looking at a very,
very long outage vs an hour fom tape and minutes from a hard disk b/u.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 08:11:28 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:11:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
References: <200711150230.lAF2UVSL019384@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <007401c82791$b6a113d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

This was a huge issue years ago when they switched the default library from 
DAO to ADO because the DAO default cursor worked correctly. Many developers 
didn't include an explicit cursor type and when they tried that in ADO, they 
got errors they didn't understand.

What I find most interesting in the internal conversion of dynamic to 
keyset -- fascinating.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
> Brilliant - Many thanks
> I chose dbOpenStatic
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
> becomes
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
> Have a great day



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 08:32:44 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:32:44 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <002a01c8278d$511b6140$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00ac01c82794$63558050$8119fea9@LTVM>

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 08:51:16 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:51:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c82794$63558050$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <002a01c8278d$511b6140$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00ac01c82794$63558050$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there -
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Nov 15 09:00:48 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:00:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
In-Reply-To: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000>

Hmmm ...

This is one of those "it depends" questions.

If you're looking to merely present tabular data on the web, with perhaps a
couple of lookups, filters, etc. this wouldn't be a problem. 

However, if you're app has a lot of custom functions, business logic, etc.,
then it will be a much larger project. 

Is the focus to make the application "usable on the web" or do you merely
need to enable remote access to the app?

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
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mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:42 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based

My boss asked me today "What would be the effort to make an existing
Microsoft Access application usable on the Web".  I could find no references
in any of the books I have as a reference.  Any idea what I can say or where
to look?

Thanks for the thoughts and chuckles

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 15 10:07:47 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:07:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200711151609.lAFG8wDN015591@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Rocky,
These are enticing ideas aren't they? Seems everyone and their uncle is
offering it today.

After thorough evaluation, given the size of Access DB and Apps
(prerequisite Access related content ;-) , I decided against this option.
(Besides that fact that I also do a load of DP/graphics work so mdbs are
actually quite small in size comparison.)

I found that an external hard drive unit that can be kept off site is a more
cost effective and much faster alternative. Given the difficulties that most
of clients have using (especially restoring from) tape backup media for
security backups procedures I have started to implement multiple removable
hard drives instead. A simple USB or Fire wire cable connection is all it
takes.

For smaller size backups (35-90 GB) an Iomega Rev Drive is another option
and can directly replace a daily/weekly/monthly tape backup rotation scheme
as the removable Rev disks (which are a proprietary hard drive enclosure)
are about the size of a tape cartridge. They had been selling a reasonably
priced "starter kit" which included a drive unit, a number of disks and a
backup software solution (although you can use any form of backup including
a simple folder copy.

Another option for you, given that you have space on your web server is to
use an FTP client that you can schedule to do this automatically at night.
There are a number of good FTP clients available that can do this. Some
free.

HTH
John B




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Nov 15 09:39:05 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:39:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
In-Reply-To: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750D7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Depends on how complex it is, and how dependant you would be on client
side code.

For example,  recording data into a table is a server side process.
Selecting a value in one combo box, to display different values in
another, while that can be done on the server side, it would really be a
client side process.

If there's a lot of client side stuff, you'll need to figure out how to
do it.  Personally, I have a few apps like that, where I know the end
users all use IE, so I can get away with programming everything in
VBScript.  Pretty easy.  Unknown browsers, and you better go with
Javascript.  There's also the option of ASP.Net, which provides a
development environment that will appear a lot like access.

I mainly build web interfaces, though I have converted a handful to web
based applications.  I'm sorry I can't give you a solid ratio of
development time, but it's really going to depend on how the initial
database is designed.  I did a few that were mainly unbound (there were
classes and collection that acted as a business layer).  Those were very
easy, because it was just a matter of building a web interface on top of
that business layer, not too much different then just creating new
forms/reports.  In a completely bound interface, more time consuming,
because then you are basically starting from scratch.

Drew

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Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based

My boss asked me today "What would be the effort to make an existing
Microsoft Access application usable on the Web".  I could find no
references in any of the books I have as a reference.  Any idea what I
can say or where to look?

Thanks for the thoughts and chuckles

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Nov 15 10:18:49 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:18:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).  

But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key
chain.  You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about
$20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
-
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there
sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like
it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site
backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for
off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 11:42:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:42:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <009901c827ae$db89c0d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:

http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).  

But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
-
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

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Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Thu Nov 15 12:10:39 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:40:39 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>

Gustav,

    In its present version, the suggested procedure does not open any recordset for target table. After all the values meant to be inserted in various fields are lined up, the pertinent record gets inserted in destination table in one go via append query.

    As pointed out by you, pure recordset approach can also be adopted in lieu of append query method. John states that the number of fields involved is very large. That would require corresponding large number of assignment calls from one recordset to the other.

    It might be interesting if an actual trial could be conducted over a large data set, using append query visa-vis recordset approach. Perhaps John could do it and let us know.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 13:43
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  Hi A.D.

  But - as you have the DAO recordset present - why not use AddNew/Update to replace the slow "Insert Into .." SQL execution?

  /gustav

  >>> adtp at airtelbroadband.in 14-11-2007 20:49 >>>
  John,

      Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.

      As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:

      1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

      2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.

      3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.

      Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

      Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
  T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
  '=====================================
  Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
      ' This subroutine merges the survey
      ' results for each person in source table
      ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
      ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
      ' is identical to that of T_Data
      ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
      
      Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
      Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
      Dim Fv As Variant
      
      Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
      Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
      Dim fd As Field
      Dim tdf As TableDef
      Dim db As DAO.Database
      
      Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
      Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
      Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
      
      ' Comma separated string of all field names
      ' that do not directly carry survey response
      Const ExemptFields As String = _
              "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
      
      Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
      
      ' Clear destination table
      db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                      DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
      
      Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
              "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
              " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
              "LastName, Address;"
      Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
      
      Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
      
      Do Until rst1.EOF
          Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                  " SELECT '" & _
                  rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                  "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                  "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                  "' AS Address,"
          For Each fd In tdf.Fields
              Fnm = fd.Name
              If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
              Else
                  Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                          " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                          " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                          "' AND LastName = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                          "' AND Address = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                          "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                  Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                  
                  If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                      Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                              "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                  Else
                      Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                  End If
                  
              End If
          Next
          
          ' Remove trailing comma
          Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
          Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
          
          ' Append to destination table
          db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
          
          rst1.MoveNext
      Loop
      
      rst1.Close
      rst2.Close
      Set rst1 = Nothing
      Set rst2 = Nothing
      Set fd = Nothing
      Set tdf = Nothing
      Set db = Nothing
  End Sub
  '=====================================

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 15 12:13:03 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:13:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Programming Font
Message-ID: <s73c9a65.076@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I got so tired of the "normal" programming fonts that I did some research.
The new font from MS for the purpose is Consolas, but it is too tight.

Here's a great source on monospaced fonts for programming:

http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/mono.html

It also has a link for this site:

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GoodProgrammerTypeface

where I located this quite good font:

http://www.ms-studio.com/FontSales/anonymous.html 

Also, the SaxMono and Verily and Share-Tech font here:

http://www.dafont.com/theme.php?cat=503


I stopped at Dutchfonts - the page is huge and several links are broken.
After all I ended up with Lucida Console which still is the best due to the readability of this test:

1. Number 1, lowercase L, lower/uppercase I:
1lIi

2. Zero, uppercase O, uppercase slashed O:
0O?

3. The four sets of brackets etc:
<{[()]}>

4. Quote combo:
''""'"'"

Other suggestions?

/gustav




From robert at webedb.com  Thu Nov 15 13:15:02 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:15:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1195149601.14884.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1195149601.14884.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200711151916.lAFJGhue025034@databaseadvisors.com>

Rocky,

You can get a 500 gb NAS unit for about $130 (Buy.com SimpleTech)

Just get 2 of them and take one home at night, and bring the other
one in the next morning.  Rotating backup.

Or, you can use something like I do for my photographs. I have an
Addonics USB case that will hold 4 PATA drives. With what I have
in it now, it is 1.32 tb. You could put 4 1tb drives in it and get
4 tb of storage.  I have a full copy of all photos on each of the 4
drives. Plus, I have DVDs that cover everything also. I plan on
getting a safe deposit box at the bank and putting the backup DVDs
in there.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 11/15/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:10:17 -0800
>From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>Dear List:
>
>Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
>I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
>product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
>site backup.
>
>Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
>which one?  Recommendations?
>
>TIA
>
>Rocky




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 13:27:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:27:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk>
	<012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <00ba01c827bd$8061bb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>

A.D.

I will get around to this, just not sure when.  Running this through Access
/ VBA is probably a non starter since not only are there a lot of fields
(>600), but also a lot of records (>50 million).  Thus if this is ever to
actually work it will need to be done in VB.Net.  My experience so far is
that VB.Net speeds things up by a factor of 10 or more.

Even then I would suggest something like pulling the field names that will
be actually used out and placing them (or maybe their numeric field position
in the record object) in a collection.  That way the code that iterates the
fields becomes a simple "for each in colValidFld" construct instead of a
constant comparison to see if they are in the string of non-valid fields.

If you place the valid field names in the collection, then the For Each loop
would "just have" the field names to build up the SQL statement.
Additionally I think you can use the field names to index into the field
collection to extract the values:

rst.fields(strFldName).value

Believe me, with 600 fields and 50 million records, it needs all the
efficiency it can get.

And BTW thanks for the code.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records

Gustav,

    In its present version, the suggested procedure does not open any
recordset for target table. After all the values meant to be inserted in
various fields are lined up, the pertinent record gets inserted in
destination table in one go via append query.

    As pointed out by you, pure recordset approach can also be adopted in
lieu of append query method. John states that the number of fields involved
is very large. That would require corresponding large number of assignment
calls from one recordset to the other.

    It might be interesting if an actual trial could be conducted over a
large data set, using append query visa-vis recordset approach. Perhaps John
could do it and let us know.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gustav Brock
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 13:43
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  Hi A.D.

  But - as you have the DAO recordset present - why not use AddNew/Update to
replace the slow "Insert Into .." SQL execution?

  /gustav

  >>> adtp at airtelbroadband.in 14-11-2007 20:49 >>>
  John,

      Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a
group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective
is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address,
showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns
across the record.

      As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is
suggested:

      1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID
(PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other
fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

      2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be
identical to that of T_Data.

      3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with
one record.

      Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine
P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with
the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out
and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

      Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file
format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
  T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
  '=====================================
  Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
      ' This subroutine merges the survey
      ' results for each person in source table
      ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
      ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
      ' is identical to that of T_Data
      ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
      
      Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
      Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
      Dim Fv As Variant
      
      Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
      Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
      Dim fd As Field
      Dim tdf As TableDef
      Dim db As DAO.Database
      
      Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
      Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
      Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
      
      ' Comma separated string of all field names
      ' that do not directly carry survey response
      Const ExemptFields As String = _
              "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
      
      Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
      
      ' Clear destination table
      db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                      DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
      
      Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
              "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
              " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
              "LastName, Address;"
      Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
      
      Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
      
      Do Until rst1.EOF
          Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                  " SELECT '" & _
                  rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                  "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                  "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                  "' AS Address,"
          For Each fd In tdf.Fields
              Fnm = fd.Name
              If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
              Else
                  Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                          " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                          " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                          "' AND LastName = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                          "' AND Address = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                          "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                  Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                  
                  If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                      Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                              "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                  Else
                      Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                  End If
                  
              End If
          Next
          
          ' Remove trailing comma
          Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
          Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
          
          ' Append to destination table
          db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
          
          rst1.MoveNext
      Loop
      
      rst1.Close
      rst2.Close
      Set rst1 = Nothing
      Set rst2 = Nothing
      Set fd = Nothing
      Set tdf = Nothing
      Set db = Nothing
  End Sub
  '=====================================
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Thu Nov 15 13:34:58 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:34:58 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <473C9F62.40103@mvps.org>

Rocky,

I have been using Carbonite for over a year now, on my business 
computer, home computers and my server.  Not only that, but I have 
referred a number of other people who are also using it bor business and 
personal machines.  I highly recommend it.  I have had absolutely no 
problems with it, it does the job exactly as advertised, and it 
completely removes the need to think or worry about data/document 
backup.  And you can't beat the price.

Of course, if you are talking about backup on the system level, disk 
imaging and whatnot, then that's in a different ballpark.

Regards
Steve


Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>  
> Dear List:
>  
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>  
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
> site backup.
>  
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
> 
> TIA
>  
> Rocky
>  


From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu Nov 15 13:49:44 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:49:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6374B25FBE5348639828BDA880CB236B@kost36PC>

Hi all,

Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them 
are moving year by year

many thank's to all

/kostas


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 13:52:16 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:52:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c827c1$06654290$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I'm backed up to an external HD.  So I'm covered there.  But I'd like an
off-site.  I had enough lead time in the fires to grab the EHD.  But if I
wasn't home it would not be good.
Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).  

But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
-
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 13:53:06 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:53:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <200711151916.lAFJGhue025034@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1195149601.14884.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
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Only one fly in that ointment: I work at home. :o)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Rocky,

You can get a 500 gb NAS unit for about $130 (Buy.com SimpleTech)

Just get 2 of them and take one home at night, and bring the other one in
the next morning.  Rotating backup.

Or, you can use something like I do for my photographs. I have an Addonics
USB case that will hold 4 PATA drives. With what I have in it now, it is
1.32 tb. You could put 4 1tb drives in it and get
4 tb of storage.  I have a full copy of all photos on each of the 4 drives.
Plus, I have DVDs that cover everything also. I plan on getting a safe
deposit box at the bank and putting the backup DVDs in there.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 11/15/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:10:17 -0800
>From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>Dear List:
>
>Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
>I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site 
>backup product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web 
>site for off site backup.
>
>Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if 
>so, which one?  Recommendations?
>
>TIA
>
>Rocky


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Nov 15 14:33:33 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:33:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
In-Reply-To: <6374B25FBE5348639828BDA880CB236B@kost36PC>
References: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl><A5615CBECEC42E4791
	D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D
	6D2800@phx.gbl> <6374B25FBE5348639828BDA880CB236B@kost36PC>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFE9@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I am sending you a database offline
Regards,
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days

Hi all,

Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them 
are moving year by year

many thank's to all

/kostas
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu Nov 15 15:39:10 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:39:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
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Jim,
Excellent work but what I need to know is how many working days
there are between two dates, so I will be able to count at all times
the paid holydays of my fulltime employees

thank's a lot
/kostas




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hale, Jim" <Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days


>
> I am sending you a database offline
> Regards,
> Jim Hale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
> are moving year by year
>
> many thank's to all
>
> /kostas
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Nov 15 15:49:28 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:49:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
References: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<009901c827ae$db89c0d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002401c827d1$6638dd70$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...I used to take a laptop with me to clients ...now I plug the stick into a 
usb port before bed each night and put it back on my neck after the morning 
shower ...any changes are updated while I sleep ...and no matter where I go 
during the day, all it takes is a usb port to go to work ...no more lugging 
a laptop around with me :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:
>
> http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).
>
> But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
> You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 
> a
> month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
> -
> it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
> in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Pricings are here:
>
> https://mozy.com/pro/pricing
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
> however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
> version.  How much do you pay?
>
> T&R
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
> and have been impressed with the features.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Thu Nov 15 16:05:12 2007
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:05:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
References: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl><6374B25FBE5348639828BDA880CB236B@kost36PC><FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFE9@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
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Kostas,

We keep a little table called Holiday, with the correct dates for all
holidays, including those dreadful floating ones.  Then before you count
days, you query that table for how many are between your first date and
your last date and you're all set.  You could include weekend days in
the table if you liked.

HTH,

 
 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days

Jim,
Excellent work but what I need to know is how many working days there
are between two dates, so I will be able to count at all times the paid
holydays of my fulltime employees

thank's a lot
/kostas




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>
> I am sending you a database offline
> Regards,
> Jim Hale
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Konstantinidis
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> Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
> are moving year by year
>
> many thank's to all
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 16:07:21 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:07:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
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Kostas:

I did this for my MRP system to calculate Order Date from Due Date  minus
lead time.  But never found a slick way to doit other than looping
backwards, starting with the due date, checking each date to see what day of
the week it was and also checking the holiday calendar to see if it was a
holiday - and decrementing a lead time counter each date that was determined
to be a work day.  Works fast enough but it's definitely brute force.

Rocky





 	
	

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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:50 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days

Hi all,

Does anybody know how it could be possible to count the work days between
two days excluding weekends and local holidays To my coutry there are
several dates as holidays and some of them are moving year by year

many thank's to all

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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 15 17:17:06 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:17:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
Message-ID: <s73ce1a5.079@cactus.dk>

Hi Kostas

Here is the function we use:

Public Function ISO_WorkdayDiff( _
  ByVal datDateFrom As Date, _
  ByVal datDateTo As Date) _
  As Long

' Purpose: Calculate number of working days between dates datDateFrom and datDateTo.
' Assumes: 5 or 6 working days per week. Weekend is (Saturday and) Sunday.
' Limitation: Does not count for public holidays.
' May be freely used and distributed.
' 1999-04-23. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
' 2000-10-03. Constants added.
'             Option for 5 or 6 working days per week added.

  Const cbytWorkdaysOfWeek  As Byte = 5

  Dim bytSunday             As Byte
  Dim intWeekdayDateFrom    As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayDateTo      As Integer
  Dim lngDays               As Long
  Dim datDateTemp           As Date
  
  ' Reverse dates if these have been input reversed.
  If datDateFrom > datDateTo Then
    datDateTemp = datDateFrom
    datDateFrom = datDateTo
    datDateTo = datDateTemp
  End If
  
  ' Find ISO weekday for Sunday.
  bytSunday = WeekDay(vbSunday, vbMonday)
  
  ' Find weekdays for the dates.
  intWeekdayDateFrom = WeekDay(datDateFrom, vbMonday)
  intWeekdayDateTo = WeekDay(datDateTo, vbMonday)
  
  ' Compensate weekdays' value for non-working days (weekends).
  intWeekdayDateFrom = intWeekdayDateFrom + (intWeekdayDateFrom = bytSunday)
  intWeekdayDateTo = intWeekdayDateTo + (intWeekdayDateTo = bytSunday)
  
  ' Calculate number of working days between the two weekdays, ignoring number of weeks.
  lngDays = intWeekdayDateTo - intWeekdayDateFrom - (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * (intWeekdayDateTo < intWeekdayDateFrom))
  ' Add number of working days between the weeks of the two dates.
  lngDays = lngDays + (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * DateDiff("w", datDateFrom, datDateTo, vbMonday, vbFirstFourDays))
  
  ISO_WorkdayDiff = lngDays

End Function

To exclude holidays, look up and count the holidays from a table of holidays not falling in weekends; substract this number from the count of working days.

/gustav

>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 15-11-07 20:49 >>>
Hi all,

Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them 
are moving year by year

many thank's to all

/kostas
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Nov 16 03:24:17 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:24:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
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Hi

I use Carbonite. (?25 per year).  This service has to be seen for what it is, simply off line backup.
I have other local backup options as well. I see Carbonite as the last layer of support/backup.
If my pc/hard disk and backup devices get stolen, irreparable etc the I can log on to any pc/laptop and get back the latest versions of my files.

Richard
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Sent: 15 November 2007 19:35
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Rocky,

I have been using Carbonite for over a year now, on my business 
computer, home computers and my server.  Not only that, but I have 
referred a number of other people who are also using it bor business and 
personal machines.  I highly recommend it.  I have had absolutely no 
problems with it, it does the job exactly as advertised, and it 
completely removes the need to think or worry about data/document 
backup.  And you can't beat the price.

Of course, if you are talking about backup on the system level, disk 
imaging and whatnot, then that's in a different ballpark.

Regards
Steve


Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>  
> Dear List:
>  
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>  
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
> site backup.
>  
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
> 
> TIA
>  
> Rocky
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Fri Nov 16 04:23:46 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:23:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
In-Reply-To: <s73ce1a5.079@cactus.dk>
References: <s73ce1a5.079@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CD97502FABA541028EFA2090883FC58F@kost36PC>

Gustav,
could you please show me the way to use that function
I am not really familiar with function's code
thank's a lot
/kostas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days


> Hi Kostas
>
> Here is the function we use:
>
> Public Function ISO_WorkdayDiff( _
>  ByVal datDateFrom As Date, _
>  ByVal datDateTo As Date) _
>  As Long
>
> ' Purpose: Calculate number of working days between dates datDateFrom and 
> datDateTo.
> ' Assumes: 5 or 6 working days per week. Weekend is (Saturday and) Sunday.
> ' Limitation: Does not count for public holidays.
> ' May be freely used and distributed.
> ' 1999-04-23. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
> ' 2000-10-03. Constants added.
> '             Option for 5 or 6 working days per week added.
>
>  Const cbytWorkdaysOfWeek  As Byte = 5
>
>  Dim bytSunday             As Byte
>  Dim intWeekdayDateFrom    As Integer
>  Dim intWeekdayDateTo      As Integer
>  Dim lngDays               As Long
>  Dim datDateTemp           As Date
>
>  ' Reverse dates if these have been input reversed.
>  If datDateFrom > datDateTo Then
>    datDateTemp = datDateFrom
>    datDateFrom = datDateTo
>    datDateTo = datDateTemp
>  End If
>
>  ' Find ISO weekday for Sunday.
>  bytSunday = WeekDay(vbSunday, vbMonday)
>
>  ' Find weekdays for the dates.
>  intWeekdayDateFrom = WeekDay(datDateFrom, vbMonday)
>  intWeekdayDateTo = WeekDay(datDateTo, vbMonday)
>
>  ' Compensate weekdays' value for non-working days (weekends).
>  intWeekdayDateFrom = intWeekdayDateFrom + (intWeekdayDateFrom = 
> bytSunday)
>  intWeekdayDateTo = intWeekdayDateTo + (intWeekdayDateTo = bytSunday)
>
>  ' Calculate number of working days between the two weekdays, ignoring 
> number of weeks.
>  lngDays = intWeekdayDateTo - intWeekdayDateFrom - (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * 
> (intWeekdayDateTo < intWeekdayDateFrom))
>  ' Add number of working days between the weeks of the two dates.
>  lngDays = lngDays + (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * DateDiff("w", datDateFrom, 
> datDateTo, vbMonday, vbFirstFourDays))
>
>  ISO_WorkdayDiff = lngDays
>
> End Function
>
> To exclude holidays, look up and count the holidays from a table of 
> holidays not falling in weekends; substract this number from the count of 
> working days.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 15-11-07 20:49 >>>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
> are moving year by year
>
> many thank's to all
>
> /kostas
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 07:30:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:30:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Grouping values in crosstab
Message-ID: <002101c82854$d5b1c3a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

You might remember I asked if it is possible to group values in a field
directly in a crosstab.

For example a crosstab of length of boat by state where you group 7-15 the
count of the values (lengths) in a crosstab column called 7 to 15.  Well...
I tried it directly in the crosstab.

SELECT St as USState, [7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14] as '7 To 14'
FROM(
SELECT     IR3863.dbo.vBaseBoatLength.St,
IR3863.dbo.vBaseBoatLength.Boat_Length_4_through_50_feet
FROM       IR3863.dbo.vBaseBoatLength ) tmpBoatLength
PIVOT 
(
COUNT(tmpBoatLength.Boat_Length_4_through_50_feet)
FOR tmpBoatLength.Boat_Length_4_through_50_feet IN([7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14]))
AS tmpBL
ORDER BY USState

vBaseBoatLength pulls the ST and Boat_Length_4_through_50_feet fields.

The query did not complain and is currently running.  I will report back
when I get the counts, which I will then cross check against a simple
count() where IN() query, but it certainly looks like it might be working.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 08:24:26 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:24:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.


From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Fri Nov 16 08:24:42 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:54:42 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk><012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>
	<00ba01c827bd$8061bb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <004101c8285c$9b5880b0$1557a27a@personalec1122>


    You are welcome John!  I have since optimized the subroutine still further. Taking into account the point raised by you, iteration through fields is now implemented based upon their number position. This eliminates the repeated check against InStr() function for excluding initial set of fields (not directly representing survey response). Instead, the loop starts at first survey field. In the sample case, position of this field, represented by constant PosOfFirstSurveyField is 5. You can substitute this figure by an appropriate value as required.

    Two versions of the optimized subroutine have been made out, one uses append query for final insertion, while the other depends upon recorset's AddNew method as suggested by Gustav.

    The first routine, named P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry() is placed below. The other one, named P_PopulateResultTableByRecordset() shall be sent by subsequent post, so as to avoid crossing the max size prescribed by the moderators.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
T_data is source table. Compacted results (ignoring
blanks) are appended to T_Result.
'====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results (ignoring blanks) for each person in source
    ' table T_Data and appends the compacted outcome
    ' into destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    Const PosOfFirstSurveyField As Long = 5
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        ' Build first part of SQL for appending Person
        ' and address particulars
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        
        ' Build balance portion of SQL for appending
        ' survey results (ignoring blanks), field-wise
        For Cnt = (PosOfFirstSurveyField - 1) _
                                To (tdf.Fields.Count - 1)
            Fnm = tdf.Fields(Cnt).Name
            Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
            Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
            
            ' This If/End If block is meant to prevent
            ' error (no current record) if rst2 is empty
            If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                        "' AS " & Fnm & ","
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 00:57
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.

  I will get around to this, just not sure when.  Running this through Access
  / VBA is probably a non starter since not only are there a lot of fields
  (>600), but also a lot of records (>50 million).  Thus if this is ever to
  actually work it will need to be done in VB.Net.  My experience so far is
  that VB.Net speeds things up by a factor of 10 or more.

  Even then I would suggest something like pulling the field names that will
  be actually used out and placing them (or maybe their numeric field position
  in the record object) in a collection.  That way the code that iterates the
  fields becomes a simple "for each in colValidFld" construct instead of a
  constant comparison to see if they are in the string of non-valid fields.

  If you place the valid field names in the collection, then the For Each loop
  would "just have" the field names to build up the SQL statement.
  Additionally I think you can use the field names to index into the field
  collection to extract the values:

  rst.fields(strFldName).value

  Believe me, with 600 fields and 50 million records, it needs all the
  efficiency it can get.

  And BTW thanks for the code.

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 08:26:10 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:26:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <009901c827ae$db89c0d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <011c01c8285c$a31f5120$8119fea9@LTVM>

John Colby:

Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now have all
my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in an encrypted
file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the computers they will never
get access to the data without my 40 char key to mount the volumes.

Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks

Max



----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:

http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).  

But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
-
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Fri Nov 16 08:43:26 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:13:26 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk><012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>
	<00ba01c827bd$8061bb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <006401c8285f$4a72a290$1557a27a@personalec1122>


    Sample subroutine named P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry() was sent in my previous post. Alternative routine, named P_PopulateResultTableByRecordset() is placed below. This one carries out the append action using AddNew method of recordset, instead of append query.

    An interesting feature of this routine is that you don't even have to bother about exempt fields or starting position of first survey field. It simply takes care of all fields.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
T_data is source table. Compacted results (ignoring
blanks) are appended to T_Result.
'====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTableByRecordset()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results (ignoring blanks) for each person in source
    ' table T_Data and appends the compacted outcome
    ' into destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst3 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Set rst3 = db.OpenRecordset(DestnTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        ' Append survey results (ignoring blanks), field-wise
        rst3.AddNew
        
        For Cnt = 0 To tdf.Fields.Count - 1
            Fnm = tdf.Fields(Cnt).Name
            Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
            Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
            
            ' This If/End If block is meant to prevent
            ' error (no current record) if rst2 is empty
            If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                rst3.Fields(Fnm) = rst2.Fields(0)
            End If
        Next
        
        rst3.Update
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    rst3.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set rst3 = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 00:57
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.

  I will get around to this, just not sure when.  Running this through Access
  / VBA is probably a non starter since not only are there a lot of fields
  (>600), but also a lot of records (>50 million).  Thus if this is ever to
  actually work it will need to be done in VB.Net.  My experience so far is
  that VB.Net speeds things up by a factor of 10 or more.

  Even then I would suggest something like pulling the field names that will
  be actually used out and placing them (or maybe their numeric field position
  in the record object) in a collection.  That way the code that iterates the
  fields becomes a simple "for each in colValidFld" construct instead of a
  constant comparison to see if they are in the string of non-valid fields.

  If you place the valid field names in the collection, then the For Each loop
  would "just have" the field names to build up the SQL statement.
  Additionally I think you can use the field names to index into the field
  collection to extract the values:

  rst.fields(strFldName).value

  Believe me, with 600 fields and 50 million records, it needs all the
  efficiency it can get.

  And BTW thanks for the code.

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 16 08:47:54 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:47:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005201c8285f$af0a4870$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Thanks, Arthur.

Your eloquence is in writing if not in speech,
and well received here.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday


> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise 
> ...



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 16 08:59:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:59:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101c82861$5c933870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A:

Well, it doesn't get any better, does it?  I'm a year behind you.  You've
really raised the bar on 60th bd celebrations.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 16 09:00:50 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:00:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c82861$7f386440$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A:

Well, it doesn't get any better, does it?  I'm a year behind you.  You've
really raised the bar on 60th bd celebrations.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 16 09:01:33 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:01:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W24B917D39CFB099D1DF066D2830@phx.gbl>


Happy Belated Birthday!!!


> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:24:26 -0500
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
>
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
> on me.
>
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
>
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
>
> A.
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 09:02:38 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:02:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711160702v2f16dc56k23712a92a4a7afe8@mail.gmail.com>

Belated happy birthday Arthur. I was having a hard time keeping the
party a secret <GRIN>

Glad you survived the surprize.

GK

On 11/16/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Last night was my 60th birthday
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From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Fri Nov 16 09:37:16 2007
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:37:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: SQL Load/Stress Test Utilities
Message-ID: <200711161537.lAGFbWbl032449@databaseadvisors.com>

Anyone have any experience with Microsoft's SQLIOSim or any third party tools for stress testing SQL 2000 or 2005.  Any recommendations? Thanks!


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 09:42:01 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:42:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401c82867$3b884cf0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Arthur,

In fact you took me to that restaurant (and the bookstore as well) when I
visited you a couple of years ago so I can attend your birthday party
through my memories of my visit. 

Happy 60th and may you have another 60 in good health.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 09:45:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:45:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <004101c8285c$9b5880b0$1557a27a@personalec1122>
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk><012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122><00ba01c827bd$8061bb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<004101c8285c$9b5880b0$1557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <003501c82867$b1e4e610$6c7aa8c0@M90>

By position is brilliant where it will work, which in this specific file
(and in most I suspect) it definitely does.  Thanks for the idea.  I will
try to build an Access database with links to the SQL Server BE and test the
code to see how fast it is.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


    You are welcome John!  I have since optimized the subroutine still
further. Taking into account the point raised by you, iteration through
fields is now implemented based upon their number position. This eliminates
the repeated check against InStr() function for excluding initial set of
fields (not directly representing survey response). Instead, the loop starts
at first survey field. In the sample case, position of this field,
represented by constant PosOfFirstSurveyField is 5. You can substitute this
figure by an appropriate value as required.

    Two versions of the optimized subroutine have been made out, one uses
append query for final insertion, while the other depends upon recorset's
AddNew method as suggested by Gustav.

    The first routine, named P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry() is placed
below. The other one, named P_PopulateResultTableByRecordset() shall be sent
by subsequent post, so as to avoid crossing the max size prescribed by the
moderators.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results T_data is source table.
Compacted results (ignoring
blanks) are appended to T_Result.
'====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results (ignoring blanks) for each person in source
    ' table T_Data and appends the compacted outcome
    ' into destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    Const PosOfFirstSurveyField As Long = 5
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        ' Build first part of SQL for appending Person
        ' and address particulars
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        
        ' Build balance portion of SQL for appending
        ' survey results (ignoring blanks), field-wise
        For Cnt = (PosOfFirstSurveyField - 1) _
                                To (tdf.Fields.Count - 1)
            Fnm = tdf.Fields(Cnt).Name
            Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
            Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
            
            ' This If/End If block is meant to prevent
            ' error (no current record) if rst2 is empty
            If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                        "' AS " & Fnm & ","
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jwcolby
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 00:57
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.

  I will get around to this, just not sure when.  Running this through
Access
  / VBA is probably a non starter since not only are there a lot of fields
  (>600), but also a lot of records (>50 million).  Thus if this is ever to
  actually work it will need to be done in VB.Net.  My experience so far is
  that VB.Net speeds things up by a factor of 10 or more.

  Even then I would suggest something like pulling the field names that will
  be actually used out and placing them (or maybe their numeric field
position
  in the record object) in a collection.  That way the code that iterates
the
  fields becomes a simple "for each in colValidFld" construct instead of a
  constant comparison to see if they are in the string of non-valid fields.

  If you place the valid field names in the collection, then the For Each
loop
  would "just have" the field names to build up the SQL statement.
  Additionally I think you can use the field names to index into the field
  collection to extract the values:

  rst.fields(strFldName).value

  Believe me, with 600 fields and 50 million records, it needs all the
  efficiency it can get.

  And BTW thanks for the code.

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 09:52:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:52:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703DF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Happy Birthday, Arthur.  You're only a few years behind me!  My friends
mostly know that I don't like surprises, good or bad, so I think my
heart (and pacemaker) are safe. LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a
surprise party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I
have a favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and
operated by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that
that was where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a
reservation, little knowing that the entire restaurant had already been
booked. Khalid managed to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend
Norma and my sister Clare came with me, and there's a great
bookstore/recordstore next door which I insisted upon visiting, little
knowing that there was a party awaiting me next door. This is a small
restaurant (always a good sign), and when I walked in, I saw that the
whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables united into one
enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I realized bit by
bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a
collection of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food,
wonderful conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards.
Forced at one point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was
to thank my friends for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in
attendance for 30 or so years, some more. There were even emails from
persons who could not attend, such as one of my oldest friends, Paul
Grenkow, who teaches English in Beijing, who could not attend only
because his wife was expected to give birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov 16 10:10:02 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:10:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101c8286b$258fec60$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Sounds like it was a great present!

  Happy birthday Arthur!

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Nov 16 10:43:00 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:43:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDF3@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Happy Birthday Arthur!  Years ago we had good friends who lived in
Toronto and we would always eat in Indian restaurants, good authentic
cuisine.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
> 
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends 
> had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned 
> and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided 
> that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a 
> reservation, little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. 
> Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and 
> my sister Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next 
> door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party 
> awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a 
> dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and 
> finally it dawned
> on me.
> 
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find 
> oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I 
> have a collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and 
> cards. Forced at one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to 
> thank my friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in 
> attendance for 30 or so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who 
> could not attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was 
> expected to give
> birth on the day.
> 
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution 
> you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better 
> way to go.
> 
> A.
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 12:21:56 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:21:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
References: <011c01c8285c$a31f5120$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <002601c8287d$92678520$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client 
that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to 
take another look at this.

William

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From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> John Colby:
>
> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now have 
> all
> my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in an encrypted
> file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the computers they will never
> get access to the data without my 40 char key to mount the volumes.
>
> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>
> Max
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:
>
> http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).
>
> But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
> You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 
> a
> month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
> -
> it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
> in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Pricings are here:
>
> https://mozy.com/pro/pricing
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
> however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
> version.  How much do you pay?
>
> T&R
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
> and have been impressed with the features.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Nov 16 12:52:44 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:52:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <200711160908.lAG985121511@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> 
	<473C9F62.40103@mvps.org> 
	<200711160908.lAG985121511@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFF3@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


How big a process does it leave in memory? I had to ditch one service because they were a huge memory hog.
Jim Hale 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi

I use Carbonite. (?25 per year).  This service has to be seen for what it is, simply off line backup.
I have other local backup options as well. I see Carbonite as the last layer of support/backup.
If my pc/hard disk and backup devices get stolen, irreparable etc the I can log on to any pc/laptop and get back the latest versions of my files.

Richard

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 13:10:32 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:10:32 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <002601c8287d$92678520$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <002601c82884$6003b930$8119fea9@LTVM>


Hi William:

Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:

SECURITY? STICK IT!
A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues. 
To read the full story follow the link below...
<http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180> 


I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password protected.
Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".

BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
options, etc.

At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
(being the developer) then nothing else works.

Max




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
take another look at this.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> John Colby:
>
> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now have 
> all
> my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in an encrypted
> file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the computers they will never
> get access to the data without my 40 char key to mount the volumes.
>
> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>
> Max
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:
>
> http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).
>
> But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
> You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20

> a
> month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
> -
> it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
> in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Pricings are here:
>
> https://mozy.com/pro/pricing
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
> however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
> version.  How much do you pay?
>
> T&R
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
> and have been impressed with the features.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Fri Nov 16 14:44:47 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:44:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY ARTHUR
Glad to hear you had a wonderful time.  Enjoy life!!
Patti
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 09:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
> 
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends 
> had a surprise party for me. I was completely clueless about 
> its occurrence. I have a favourite Indian restaurant in 
> Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated by a good friend 
> called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was where 
> I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a 
> reservation, little knowing that the entire restaurant had 
> already been booked. Khalid managed to keep a straight voice 
> when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare came with 
> me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which 
> I insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a 
> party awaiting me next door. This is a small restaurant 
> (always a good sign), and when I walked in, I saw that the 
> whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables united into 
> one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I 
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and 
> finally it dawned on me.
> 
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find 
> oneself as the centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded 
> by good friends, is truly breathtaking -- and humbling. For 
> some reason or other, I have a collection of quality people 
> to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful 
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and 
> cards. Forced at one point to stand and make a speech, all I 
> could manage was to thank my friends for being my friends. 
> I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so years, 
> some more. There were even emails from persons who could not 
> attend, such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who 
> teaches English in Beijing, who could not attend only because 
> his wife was expected to give birth on the day.
> 
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution 
> you to think carefully about holding a surprise party for 
> 60yo people. The heart palpitations are unbelievable. On the 
> other hand, what better way to go.
> 
> A.
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 15:01:27 2007
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:01:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
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Happy belated Birthday Arthur. Sounds like you had such a great time!


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov 16 15:44:45 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:44:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
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Happy birthday Arthur!  Wow, 60 years old...is it about time to get a
Mac? <VBG>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a
surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and
operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation,
little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid
managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister
Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which
I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting
me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen
tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it
dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a
collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at
one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my
friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or
so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not
attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 15:46:01 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:46:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
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	<002601c82884$6003b930$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <005801c8289a$15263800$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file that
contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does take
a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that you
can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.

I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.  The
TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have admin
rights in order to do this.

I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.

Just don't forget your password.

I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:

Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
MhAlLhFwWaS
(use alternating upper and lower case)
Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
0MhAlLhFwWaS9
Now throw two special characters in front of that
!0MhAlLhFwWaS9@

That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
twice, perhaps

Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

!0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
plus numbers and special symbols.  

Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
strength memorable password.

http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


Hi William:

Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:

SECURITY? STICK IT!
A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues. 
To read the full story follow the link below...
<http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180> 


I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password protected.
Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".

BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
options, etc.

At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
(being the developer) then nothing else works.

Max




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
take another look at this.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> John Colby:
>
> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now 
> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in 
> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the 
> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char 
> key to mount the volumes.
>
> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>
> Max



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 16:57:17 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:57:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <002601c8287d$92678520$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002601c82884$6003b930$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<005801c8289a$15263800$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000c01c828a4$098c5b00$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around 
my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most 
everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go 
to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune 
...shows my age, it does :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file 
>that
> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does 
> take
> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that 
> you
> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>
> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted. 
> The
> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have 
> admin
> rights in order to do this.
>
> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>
> Just don't forget your password.
>
> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>
> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
> MhAlLhFwWaS
> (use alternating upper and lower case)
> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
> Now throw two special characters in front of that
> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>
> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
> twice, perhaps
>
> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>
> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>
> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
> plus numbers and special symbols.
>
> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
> strength memorable password.
>
> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Hi William:
>
> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>
> SECURITY? STICK IT!
> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
> To read the full story follow the link below...
> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>
>
> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password 
> protected.
> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>
> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
> options, etc.
>
> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
> take another look at this.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
>> John Colby:
>>
>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in
>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>> key to mount the volumes.
>>
>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>
>> Max
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 17:00:42 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:00:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001c828a4$83e30520$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

Arthur

...may you share many, many more with your friends, both here and there.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday


> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, 
> little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister 
> Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it 
> dawned
> on me.
>
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a 
> collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at 
> one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my 
> friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or 
> so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not 
> attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
>
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
>
> A.
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 17:04:44 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:04:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C680@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <001801c828a5$1436a6e0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...that's 60 years YOUNG, you pup! ...someday soon we'll talk about trading 
in your Playstation II for a real computer :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday


> Happy birthday Arthur!  Wow, 60 years old...is it about time to get a
> Mac? <VBG>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
>
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a
> surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and
> operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation,
> little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid
> managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister
> Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which
> I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting
> me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen
> tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it
> dawned
> on me.
>
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a
> collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at
> one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my
> friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or
> so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not
> attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
>
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
>
> A.
> -- 
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> Proprietary and/or II-VI BusinessSensitve material. If you are not the 
> intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the 
> material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are 
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Fri Nov 16 17:29:09 2007
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:29:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
	<001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop>

usable on the web


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based


> Hmmm ...
>
> This is one of those "it depends" questions.
>
> If you're looking to merely present tabular data on the web, with perhaps 
> a
> couple of lookups, filters, etc. this wouldn't be a problem.
>
> However, if you're app has a lot of custom functions, business logic, 
> etc.,
> then it will be a much larger project.
>
> Is the focus to make the application "usable on the web" or do you merely
> need to enable remote access to the app?
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Eget
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:42 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
>
> My boss asked me today "What would be the effort to make an existing
> Microsoft Access application usable on the Web".  I could find no 
> references
> in any of the books I have as a reference.  Any idea what I can say or 
> where
> to look?
>
> Thanks for the thoughts and chuckles
>
> John
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Fri Nov 16 18:01:57 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:01:57 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
Message-ID: <20071117100157.DHS43880@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Arthur,
Your story touched my heart...happy Birthday!
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:24:26 -0500
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>  
>Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday  
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends
had a surprise
>party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. 
......


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 17 00:38:11 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:38:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A925AFB392314F55902229B70D4B3D48@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Arthur; What a night to remember. Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Nov 17 03:05:00 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:05:00 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C680@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000001c828f8$efaef440$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Happy Birthday Arthur. Sounds like my idea of the ideal party.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 16 November 2007 21:45
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
> 
> 
> Happy birthday Arthur!  Wow, 60 years old...is it about time 
> to get a Mac? <VBG>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
> 
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends 
> had a surprise party for me. I was completely clueless about 
> its occurrence. I have a favourite Indian restaurant in 
> Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated by a good friend 
> called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was where 
> I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a 
> reservation, little knowing that the entire restaurant had 
> already been booked. Khalid managed to keep a straight voice 
> when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare came with 
> me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which 
> I insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a 
> party awaiting me next door. This is a small restaurant 
> (always a good sign), and when I walked in, I saw that the 
> whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables united into 
> one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I 
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and 
> finally it dawned on me.
> 
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find 
> oneself as the centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded 
> by good friends, is truly breathtaking -- and humbling. For 
> some reason or other, I have a collection of quality people 
> to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful 
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and 
> cards. Forced at one point to stand and make a speech, all I 
> could manage was to thank my friends for being my friends. 
> I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so years, 
> some more. There were even emails from persons who could not 
> attend, such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who 
> teaches English in Beijing, who could not attend only because 
> his wife was expected to give birth on the day.
> 
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution 
> you to think carefully about holding a surprise party for 
> 60yo people. The heart palpitations are unbelievable. On the 
> other hand, what better way to go.
> 
> A.
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> The information contained in this transmission is intended 
> only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and 
> may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI BusinessSensitve 
> material. If you are not the intended recipient, please 
> contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in 
> its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are 
> notified that any review, retransmission, copying, 
> disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any 
> action in reliance upon this information by persons or 
> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.
> 
> 
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> 
> 




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 03:33:16 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:33:16 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <005801c8289a$15263800$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003001c828fc$e2cd3cb0$8119fea9@LTVM>


Hi John,
Yes, this is something that I will now set up, especially for my laptop and
memory stick.

FYI I also use cGeep to encrypt sensitive emails (www cgeep com) which uses
PGP encryption plus there is a web based version for those who do not want
to install it.  It can also encrypt files/directories directly which avoid
the need to mount a volume.  But what is great with TrueCrypt is that it
will run apps or all kinds directly from the encrypted file without storing
any decrypted data anywhere other than in memory.

All in all, in a few weeks I will have great encryption right across the
board.

Another trick which is easy to remember is "positioning" keys. Ie,
"qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhn" which if you look at a keyboard you will see that it
just traverses up/down across the key pad.  As long as  you remember
whatever positioning you use, then you actually do not need to even remember
the passphrase.  Needless to say, this positioning example is not my one
<smile>.  Throw a couple of other keys in with the alpha keys then it just
won't make any sense if terms of "real words" for brute force decryption
(although I think the TrueCrypt mention something like a billion years to
decrypt with a  supercomputer, so pretty safe really).

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file that
contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does take
a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that you
can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.

I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.  The
TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have admin
rights in order to do this.

I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.

Just don't forget your password.

I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:

Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow MhAlLhFwWaS (use
alternating upper and lower case) Throw two numbers in front of, behind or
around it
0MhAlLhFwWaS9
Now throw two special characters in front of that !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@

That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
twice, perhaps

Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

!0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
plus numbers and special symbols.  

Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
strength memorable password.

http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


Hi William:

Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:

SECURITY? STICK IT!
A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues. 
To read the full story follow the link below...
<http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180> 


I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password protected.
Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".

BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
options, etc.

At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
(being the developer) then nothing else works.

Max




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
take another look at this.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> John Colby:
>
> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now 
> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in 
> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the 
> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char 
> key to mount the volumes.
>
> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>
> Max

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 03:38:04 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:38:04 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <000c01c828a4$098c5b00$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM>

Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world famous
though.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
...shows my age, it does :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file 
>that
> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does 
> take
> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that 
> you
> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>
> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted. 
> The
> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have 
> admin
> rights in order to do this.
>
> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>
> Just don't forget your password.
>
> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>
> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
> MhAlLhFwWaS
> (use alternating upper and lower case)
> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
> Now throw two special characters in front of that
> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>
> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
> twice, perhaps
>
> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>
> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>
> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
> plus numbers and special symbols.
>
> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
> strength memorable password.
>
> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Hi William:
>
> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>
> SECURITY? STICK IT!
> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
> To read the full story follow the link below...
> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>
>
> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password 
> protected.
> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>
> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
> options, etc.
>
> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
> take another look at this.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
>> John Colby:
>>
>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in
>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>> key to mount the volumes.
>>
>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>
>> Max
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Nov 17 04:21:51 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:21:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFF3@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <001201c82903$ab5e16d0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Yea this would be my question too. I might download the trial and see but
those of you who are already using Carbonite can probably answer the
question for us. The website blurb says it "works quietly and continuously
in the background". That worries me. I sometimes feel my PC has so much
stuff working "quietly" in the background that I've got no foreground left
(yes, just fitted more RAM before you ask). So can anyone give their
experience on what the performance hit is of Carbonite?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
> Sent: 16 November 2007 18:53
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
> 
> 
> 
> How big a process does it leave in memory? I had to ditch one 
> service because they were a huge memory hog. Jim Hale 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Griffiths, Richard
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
> 
> Hi
> 
> I use Carbonite. (?25 per year).  This service has to be seen 
> for what it is, simply off line backup. I have other local 
> backup options as well. I see Carbonite as the last layer of 
> support/backup. If my pc/hard disk and backup devices get 
> stolen, irreparable etc the I can log on to any pc/laptop and 
> get back the latest versions of my files.
> 
> Richard
> 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Nov 17 09:43:55 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:43:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological 
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code 
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that 
old :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file
>>that
>> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another 
>> encrypted
>> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does
>> take
>> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that
>> you
>> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
>> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>>
>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
>> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.
>> The
>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
>> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
>> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have
>> admin
>> rights in order to do this.
>>
>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>
>> Just don't forget your password.
>>
>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
>> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>
>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
>> MhAlLhFwWaS
>> (use alternating upper and lower case)
>> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>> Now throw two special characters in front of that
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>
>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do 
>> that
>> twice, perhaps
>>
>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
>> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
>> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, 
>> whatever
>> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each 
>> word,
>> plus numbers and special symbols.
>>
>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that 
>> would
>> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
>> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
>> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
>> strength memorable password.
>>
>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>> Hi William:
>>
>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>
>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees 
>> store
>> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security 
>> threats
>> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>
>>
>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password
>> protected.
>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
>> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>
>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
>> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
>> options, etc.
>>
>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
>> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a 
>> client
>> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
>> take another look at this.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>>> John Colby:
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in
>>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>
>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>
>>> Max
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 10:27:46 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:27:46 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000301c82936$ca838990$8119fea9@LTVM>

>besides which, only Charlotte is that old

Oh dear, are you going to get your legs slapped or what?
 
Max
Ps, As long as I don't look in the mirror, I am only 30'ish.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file
>>that
>> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another 
>> encrypted
>> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does
>> take
>> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that
>> you
>> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
>> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>>
>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
>> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.
>> The
>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
>> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
>> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have
>> admin
>> rights in order to do this.
>>
>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>
>> Just don't forget your password.
>>
>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
>> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>
>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
>> MhAlLhFwWaS
>> (use alternating upper and lower case)
>> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>> Now throw two special characters in front of that
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>
>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do 
>> that
>> twice, perhaps
>>
>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
>> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
>> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, 
>> whatever
>> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each 
>> word,
>> plus numbers and special symbols.
>>
>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that 
>> would
>> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
>> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
>> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
>> strength memorable password.
>>
>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>> Hi William:
>>
>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>
>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees 
>> store
>> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security 
>> threats
>> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>
>>
>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password
>> protected.
>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
>> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>
>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
>> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
>> options, etc.
>>
>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
>> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a 
>> client
>> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
>> take another look at this.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>>> John Colby:
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in
>>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>
>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>
>>> Max
>>
>> -- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 17 12:15:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:15:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <000301c82936$ca838990$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000301c82936$ca838990$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <008301c82945$db6d1320$6c7aa8c0@M90>

>Ps, As long as I don't look in the mirror, I am only 30'ish.

ROTFL.  ME TOO! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 11:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

>besides which, only Charlotte is that old

Oh dear, are you going to get your legs slapped or what?
 
Max
Ps, As long as I don't look in the mirror, I am only 30'ish.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world 
> famous though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain 
> around my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore 
> because most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, 
> log-on, sync, and go to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but 
> based on an Elvis tune ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted 
>>file that  contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have 
>>another  encrypted  drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if 
>>the laptop ever does  take  a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other 
>>nice thing about this is that  you  can backup all your work by 
>>copying a single encrypted file to a backup  location.  If that backup 
>>location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>>
>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an 
>> encrypted file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is
encrypted.
>> The
>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run 
>> from there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run 
>> TrueCrypt, mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do 
>> have to have admin rights in order to do this.
>>
>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>
>> Just don't forget your password.
>>
>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special 
>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you 
>> are first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>
>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow MhAlLhFwWaS (use 
>> alternating upper and lower case) Throw two numbers in front of, 
>> behind or around it
>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>> Now throw two special characters in front of that !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>
>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do 
>> that twice, perhaps
>>
>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water 
>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together 
>> are pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you 
>> have it assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, 
>> song, whatever you already have remembered and just use the first 
>> character of each word, plus numbers and special symbols.
>>
>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that 
>> would crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 
>> 21 characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 
>> 10 seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an 
>> industrial strength memorable password.
>>
>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>> Hi William:
>>
>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>
>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees 
>> store work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious 
>> security threats and exposure as well as compliance and information 
>> management issues.
>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>
>>
>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password 
>> protected.
>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now 
>> contain encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>
>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined 
>> in postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, 
>> printing data options, etc.
>>
>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am 
>> trusted (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a 
>> client that is very concerned about employees stealing his data 
>> ...I'll have to take another look at this.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>>> John Colby:
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now 
>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's 
>>> in an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the 
>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char 
>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>
>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>
>>> Max
>>
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 17 13:55:41 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:55:41 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
In-Reply-To: <010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop>
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
	<001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000>
	<010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <473F473D.50403@mvps.org>

John,

Do you mean by the general public at large?  Or restricted to a specific 
set of users?  If the latter, how many?

Your answer to Lawrence was not clear to me, as using an application via 
remote access / terminal server *is* "usable on the web".

Regards
Steve


John Eget wrote:
> usable on the web
> 


From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 17 13:57:55 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:57:55 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <473F47C3.4000500@mvps.org>

Thanks for sharing this great story, Arthur.  And congratulations.

Regards
Steve

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
> on me.
> 
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
> 
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
> 
> A.


From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 17 14:25:22 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:25:22 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <001201c82903$ab5e16d0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <001201c82903$ab5e16d0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <473F4E32.7060900@mvps.org>

Andy,

There is a setting in Carbonite for "low priority" on internet usage, so 
the backup upload only happens when there is no other internet traffic 
happening.  I haven't measured it in any way, but the actual system 
resources used seems to be very low, and I noticed no performance hit at 
all from a "foreground" point of view.

It is very easy to select within Windows Explorer which files and/or 
folders you want included in the backup.  I found I had to remove my 
email folders from the regular backup, as these are large and changing 
frequently, which was increasing my internet usage hugely.  Apart from 
that, I have found it great.

Let me know if you would like me to send you an invitation... If you 
install via an invitation by an existing user, and if you eventually 
subscribe, you get 13 months for the price of 12 (and oh yes, the 
inviter also gets a bonus added to their account too ;-) ).

Regards
Steve


Andy Lacey wrote:
> Yea this would be my question too. I might download the trial and see but
> those of you who are already using Carbonite can probably answer the
> question for us. The website blurb says it "works quietly and continuously
> in the background". That worries me. I sometimes feel my PC has so much
> stuff working "quietly" in the background that I've got no foreground left
> (yes, just fitted more RAM before you ask). So can anyone give their
> experience on what the performance hit is of Carbonite?
> 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov 17 14:35:51 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:35:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <473F50A7.6030602@torchlake.com>

Happy birthday, Arthur.  I hope you celebrate for several days or 
weeks!  You are a lucky man to have such good friends - and they (and 
we) are truly fortunate to have you as a friend.
Best regards,
Tina

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
> on me.
>
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
>
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
>
> A.
>   


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sat Nov 17 14:41:53 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:41:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <001801c828a5$1436a6e0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C6BB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I've never owned a Playstation. Just Nintendos.

;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

...that's 60 years YOUNG, you pup! ...someday soon we'll talk about
trading 
in your Playstation II for a real computer :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday


> Happy birthday Arthur!  Wow, 60 years old...is it about time to get a
> Mac? <VBG>
>
> Drew
>

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sat Nov 17 14:45:48 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:45:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C6BC@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I have never been more worried for you William, even cane after cane
coming after ya, did you taunt them too? ;)

Drew

P.S.--You'll be missed.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
gerontological 
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code

before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is
that 
old :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>

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From joeget at vgernet.net  Sat Nov 17 18:09:20 2007
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop><001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000><010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop>
	<473F473D.50403@mvps.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>

Steve

The application would be restricted to a specific set of users thru a 
security login.  The most users at anyone time would be around 20 or so.  We 
are using a split database (backend on server and front end on individual 
PCs) and my management would like users that are teleworking to login and 
add/edit records of their activities

Thanks for the reply

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Schapel" <miscellany at mvps.org>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based


> John,
>
> Do you mean by the general public at large?  Or restricted to a specific
> set of users?  If the latter, how many?
>
> Your answer to Lawrence was not clear to me, as using an application via
> remote access / terminal server *is* "usable on the web".
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
>
> John Eget wrote:
>> usable on the web
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 17 20:15:30 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:15:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Folks (the Americans out there anyway), I don't normally do this but I think
this is a huge opportunity to help the world, and time is running out for
one particular aspect of this program.  What I am talking about is the One
Laptop Per Child program which is just getting off the ground.  The link
below is to the web page for the organization that is running this program.
I have been there, it is legit and will not load any nasties on your system.


You can see reviews here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04pogue.html?_r=1&oref
=slogin

With links to this same website where you can participate:

http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php

We can make a difference by simply donating (tax deductible) a laptop, or
you can do a "give one get one" where you essentially pay for two and one is
sent to you, and another is sent to a child in a developing nation.  THAT
offer expires on November 26th so if you want to participate in that, do it
now.

This thing is very real, not a scam, and I have been watching it develop for
several years.  The "Give one get one" program is a limited time deal and
only lasts for another 10 days which is why I think now is the time to think
about this if you have a youngster that could use such a system (and who
doesn't)?

I also don't EVER do this but I am making an exception now; I would ask you
to send this email on to other acquaintances who might be interested.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 17 20:30:16 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:30:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
In-Reply-To: <001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
	<001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000>
	<010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop> <473F473D.50403@mvps.org>
	<001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <473FA3B8.4000405@mvps.org>

John,

If you want your users to be able to use the database via a browser, 
then you would need to move away from the Access application for this 
purpose.  The Access application could still be deployed on the local 
network, but for the web functionality you would need to have the server 
set up as a web server, and write a separate front-end application using 
a web technology such as ASP.Net or SharePoint (being the two most 
likely candidates).

However, in the scenario you have described, it would be a lot cheaper 
and easier to have your teleworking users to use their existing Access 
frontend remotely.  It may be possible, depending on your local network 
setup, to simply enable an RDP connection to their PCs.  Otherwise, an 
option would be to dedicate a machine for the purpose, and install 
WinConnect Server, which allows up to 21 remote connections to a Windows 
XP or Small Business Server machine.  I use this myself, to good effect.

Regards
Steve

-- 
Steve Schapel, Microsoft Access MVP


John Eget wrote:
> Steve
> 
> The application would be restricted to a specific set of users thru a 
> security login.  The most users at anyone time would be around 20 or so.  We 
> are using a split database (backend on server and front end on individual 
> PCs) and my management would like users that are teleworking to login and 
> add/edit records of their activities
> 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov 18 00:53:58 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:53:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I saw this on the news.  Promoting this is a good use of the
Databaseadvisors  resources.

Do you know what the tech specs are on the machine?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)

Folks (the Americans out there anyway), I don't normally do this but I think
this is a huge opportunity to help the world, and time is running out for
one particular aspect of this program.  What I am talking about is the One
Laptop Per Child program which is just getting off the ground.  The link
below is to the web page for the organization that is running this program.
I have been there, it is legit and will not load any nasties on your system.


You can see reviews here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04pogue.html?_r=1&oref
=slogin

With links to this same website where you can participate:

http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php

We can make a difference by simply donating (tax deductible) a laptop, or
you can do a "give one get one" where you essentially pay for two and one is
sent to you, and another is sent to a child in a developing nation.  THAT
offer expires on November 26th so if you want to participate in that, do it
now.

This thing is very real, not a scam, and I have been watching it develop for
several years.  The "Give one get one" program is a limited time deal and
only lasts for another 10 days which is why I think now is the time to think
about this if you have a youngster that could use such a system (and who
doesn't)?

I also don't EVER do this but I am making an exception now; I would ask you
to send this email on to other acquaintances who might be interested.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sun Nov 18 01:04:16 2007
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:04:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>


On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to
bring up a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, I
re-query the invoking continuous form to update the details.  This of
course takes me back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I want it
to stay where it is.  

I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....

Stephen Bond



From miscellany at mvps.org  Sun Nov 18 01:19:06 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:19:06 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
In-Reply-To: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>
References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <473FE76A.1040405@mvps.org>

Stephen,

In a nutshell... You need to assign the primary key value of the current 
record to a variable, prior to the requery, and then after the requery, 
you can use code to find that record again.

Regards
Steve


Stephen wrote:
> On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to
> bring up a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, I
> re-query the invoking continuous form to update the details.  This of
> course takes me back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I want it
> to stay where it is.  
> 
> I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....
> 
> Stephen Bond
> 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov 18 01:35:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:35:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
In-Reply-To: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>
References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <005901c829b5$953f6b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Stephen:

Save the primary key in a long variable. Do the requery. Then use FindFirst
and bookmark to set the recordset pointer back to the  original record:

        Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "ClientGroupID=" & lngClientGroupID
        If Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch = False Then
            Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark
        Else
            MsgBox "Could not return to selected record", vbExclamation
        End If

HTH 

Rocky



 	
	

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To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer


On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to bring up
a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, I re-query the
invoking continuous form to update the details.  This of course takes me
back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I want it to stay where it
is.  

I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....

Stephen Bond

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sun Nov 18 01:41:42 2007
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:41:42 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB9@server.BondSoftware.local>

But how can I know when the invoking form gets the focus back from the
now closed dialog box.  I tested some (not all) events in the invoking
form (GotFocus etc), and none seemed to fire.  There is something I'm
missing here ...

BTW the invoking form is a subform of a tab in a tab control, but that
shouldn't matter should it?

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 8:30 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer

Stephen,

In a nutshell... You need to assign the primary key value of the current
record to a variable, prior to the requery, and then after the requery,
you can use code to find that record again.

Regards
Steve


Stephen wrote:
> On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to 
> bring up a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, 
> I re-query the invoking continuous form to update the details.  This 
> of course takes me back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I 
> want it to stay where it is.
> 
> I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....
> 
> Stephen Bond
> 
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sun Nov 18 01:47:00 2007
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:47:00 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EBA@server.BondSoftware.local>

More info.  The Requery is done from the dialog box form.  It requeries
the invoking form.  

S 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 8:30 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer

Stephen,

In a nutshell... You need to assign the primary key value of the current
record to a variable, prior to the requery, and then after the requery,
you can use code to find that record again.

Regards
Steve


Stephen wrote:
> On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to 
> bring up a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, 
> I re-query the invoking continuous form to update the details.  This 
> of course takes me back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I 
> want it to stay where it is.
> 
> I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....
> 
> Stephen Bond
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Nov 18 03:18:25 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:18:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <473F4E32.7060900@mvps.org>
Message-ID: <002f01c829c3$f95afb30$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Steve. I'll get back to you for an invite if I go ahead.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Steve Schapel
> Sent: 17 November 2007 20:25
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> There is a setting in Carbonite for "low priority" on 
> internet usage, so 
> the backup upload only happens when there is no other 
> internet traffic 
> happening.  I haven't measured it in any way, but the actual system 
> resources used seems to be very low, and I noticed no 
> performance hit at 
> all from a "foreground" point of view.
> 
> It is very easy to select within Windows Explorer which files and/or 
> folders you want included in the backup.  I found I had to remove my 
> email folders from the regular backup, as these are large and 
> changing 
> frequently, which was increasing my internet usage hugely.  
> Apart from 
> that, I have found it great.
> 
> Let me know if you would like me to send you an invitation... If you 
> install via an invitation by an existing user, and if you eventually 
> subscribe, you get 13 months for the price of 12 (and oh yes, the 
> inviter also gets a bonus added to their account too ;-) ).
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey wrote:
> > Yea this would be my question too. I might download the 
> trial and see 
> > but those of you who are already using Carbonite can 
> probably answer 
> > the question for us. The website blurb says it "works quietly and 
> > continuously in the background". That worries me. I 
> sometimes feel my 
> > PC has so much stuff working "quietly" in the background 
> that I've got 
> > no foreground left (yes, just fitted more RAM before you 
> ask). So can 
> > anyone give their experience on what the performance hit is of 
> > Carbonite?
> > 
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Nov 18 10:27:14 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:27:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Good Morning to the list,

I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to create it.
Works great.
The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or null,
not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some statistical jive later
down the road.
So, how can I output a null?

TIA

Bob Heygood






 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)

Folks (the Americans out there anyway), I don't normally do this but I think
this is a huge opportunity to help the world, and time is running out for
one particular aspect of this program.  What I am talking about is the One
Laptop Per Child program which is just getting off the ground.  The link
below is to the web page for the organization that is running this program.
I have been there, it is legit and will not load any nasties on your system.


You can see reviews here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04pogue.html?_r=1&oref
=slogin

With links to this same website where you can participate:

http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php

We can make a difference by simply donating (tax deductible) a laptop, or
you can do a "give one get one" where you essentially pay for two and one is
sent to you, and another is sent to a child in a developing nation.  THAT
offer expires on November 26th so if you want to participate in that, do it
now.

This thing is very real, not a scam, and I have been watching it develop for
several years.  The "Give one get one" program is a limited time deal and
only lasts for another 10 days which is why I think now is the time to think
about this if you have a youngster that could use such a system (and who
doesn't)?

I also don't EVER do this but I am making an exception now; I would ask you
to send this email on to other acquaintances who might be interested.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 10:33:49 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:33:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to create 
> it.
> Works great.
> The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or null,
> not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some statistical jive 
> later
> down the road.
> So, how can I output a null?

=======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are you 
sure you really want to do that?

Susan H. 



From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Nov 18 10:47:22 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:47:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy>
	<00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy>

Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats. 

Thanks for replying.
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

> I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to 
> create it.
> Works great.
> The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or 
> null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some statistical 
> jive later down the road.
> So, how can I output a null?

=======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are you
sure you really want to do that?

Susan H. 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 11:04:06 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:04:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy>
	<00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>

First step would be to ensure that all values in the column are nulls when
they are not meaningful (although as Susan pointed out, null is meaningful).
What I mean is that zero is not equivalent to null.

You can do this at the table-design level by changing the properties to
"allow null = yes" and then erase the default value property, which tends to
go to zero, and that's not what you want. So once you have eliminated the
zeroes and replaced them will nulls, then you're in business, and the front
end won't let you deposit zeroes.

Even that oversimplifies, and sorry about that. Suppose, for example, the
column was called NumberOfChildren. The answer, as in my case, is zero. That
is a valid answer, and different from null, which indicates the absence of
information, not its presence. Retrofitting this analysis to existing data
may be non-trivial. If you don't know how many kids I have, then the
appropriate value is Null. If you do know that I have no kids, then the
appropriate value is zero. Either way, you have to resolve the existing data
before you can enforce it at the table-level. I hope that you don't have a
lot of data already recorded with this ambiguity. If you do, then you don't
have much choice but to check all the questionable values (does zero mean no
kids or we don't know?). That's not going to be easy, but sometimes accuracy
outweighs easiness.

hth,
Arthur

On 11/18/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats.
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
>
> > I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to
> > create it.
> > Works great.
> > The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or
> > null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some statistical
> > jive later down the road.
> > So, how can I output a null?
>
> =======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are you
> sure you really want to do that?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Nov 18 11:18:28 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:18:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
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	<29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Arthur

As I said in my first message and in the title this is all happening in a
Query, not a table. 
Sorry if that was not clear.
This column does not appear in the underlying table.
It is output by my function. Per your example: my function would compute the
number of children. If it could not do so, I want a null returned.

I want the query to output a value computed by my function or contain a
null. Maybe this is not possible??


TIA

Bob




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

First step would be to ensure that all values in the column are nulls when
they are not meaningful (although as Susan pointed out, null is meaningful).
What I mean is that zero is not equivalent to null.

You can do this at the table-design level by changing the properties to
"allow null = yes" and then erase the default value property, which tends to
go to zero, and that's not what you want. So once you have eliminated the
zeroes and replaced them will nulls, then you're in business, and the front
end won't let you deposit zeroes.

Even that oversimplifies, and sorry about that. Suppose, for example, the
column was called NumberOfChildren. The answer, as in my case, is zero. That
is a valid answer, and different from null, which indicates the absence of
information, not its presence. Retrofitting this analysis to existing data
may be non-trivial. If you don't know how many kids I have, then the
appropriate value is Null. If you do know that I have no kids, then the
appropriate value is zero. Either way, you have to resolve the existing data
before you can enforce it at the table-level. I hope that you don't have a
lot of data already recorded with this ambiguity. If you do, then you don't
have much choice but to check all the questionable values (does zero mean no
kids or we don't know?). That's not going to be easy, but sometimes accuracy
outweighs easiness.

hth,
Arthur

On 11/18/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats.
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
>
> > I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to 
> > create it.
> > Works great.
> > The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or 
> > null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some 
> > statistical jive later down the road.
> > So, how can I output a null?
>
> =======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are 
> you sure you really want to do that?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 11:22:52 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:22:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>
> I want the query to output a value computed by my function or contain a
> null. Maybe this is not possible??

========JC recommended making VBA's vbNull constant global in a module. That 
way you can use it in a query expression. It's a terrific idea, wish I'd 
thought of it. You might try that.

Susan H. 



From miscellany at mvps.org  Sun Nov 18 11:43:39 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:43:39 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
In-Reply-To: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EBA@server.BondSoftware.local>
References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EBA@server.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <474079CB.7050206@mvps.org>

Stephen,

Therefore, you could do it within the same code that does the Requery. 
It would make it a lot easier to provide help if you could reveal the 
names of the forms, and info about the subform's primary key, and the 
code you have so far.  But possibly an adaptation of the code Rocky 
suggested would do it, e.g....

    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
    lngClientGroupID = Me.TheSubformsPrimaryKey   ' assumes number data type
    With Forms!YourForm!YourSubform.Form
        .Requery
        .RecordsetClone.FindFirst "TheSubformsPrimaryKey = " & 
lngClientGroupID
        If .RecordsetClone.NoMatch Then
           MsgBox "Could not return to selected record", vbExclamation
        Else
           .Bookmark = .RecordsetClone.Bookmark
         End If
    End With

Another option woulkd be to use the main form's Activate event. You 
described the editing form as a dialog box form.  If it is truly a 
dialog form (i.e. it is opened from the main form in acDialog mode), 
then possibly the main form's Activate event would be more applicable.

Regards
Steve

Stephen wrote:
> More info.  The Requery is done from the dialog box form.  It requeries
> the invoking form.  
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov 18 13:29:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:29:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
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	<29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009001c82a19$4ad59740$6c7aa8c0@M90>

And to which I reply ... hooey.

The absence of a value doesn't in fact mean anything.  It certainly does not
mean you don't know the answer.  It doesn't even mean the answer was never
entered.  It MIGHT mean that, with the enforcement of a bunch of rules but
it certainly doesn't inherently mean that.  And even if it does mean that,
it may or may not be any more valuable than a default value.  Furthermore a
default value can explicitly mean that (unknown).  I can have a table of
colors (for example) where the value zero is called "unknown", the value 1
is called black, 2 is brown etc.  

So IMNSHO, the value of NULL is way over simplified in such discussions.  

Let's take Arthur's example since he brought it up.  A null does NOT mean
you don't know the number of children.  What is he advising you to do?
Insert nulls with a query to replace the zeros already in place (with a
perfectly proper caution).  So what do those nulls now mean?  They mean you
ran a query and inserted nulls in the field.  Do you in fact know that a
zero means "unknown"?  Obviously not since the zero could (at this point in
time) mean unknown or in fact it could mean zero.  You MAY HAVE overwritten
valid zeros (they have no children) with a null and so now you are saying
you don't know how many children when in fact you did (in some cases).  Why
not make -1 the default value and specifically have -1 mean "unknown"?  Why
would I do that?  We will get to that in a minute.

So it becomes quite obvious to the most casual observer that, if any old
hooligan can insert a NULL in a field with a valid value (a zero in this
case) then the null means nothing more than some hooligan put a null in
there.  Except... oops, it doesn't even mean that since NOW you are going to
have "hooligan nulls" intermixed with real "never entered" nulls.

>From THIS discussion it becomes obvious that IF you start from the VERY
BEGINNING with a  table with a default value of null, and IF you prevent
hooligans from erasing valid values and placing nulls in there, THEN the
null might mean unknown.  It also might mean that the (valid known) answer
wasn't entered of course.  So now you have the null meaning "never entered"
and that (in the end) does NOT equate to "unknown", it really just means
"never entered".

NOW for the down side... NULLS wreak havoc with all kinds of operations.
Inner joins for example.  Math operations for another example.  Some types
of string operations for another example.  So... for all of your efforts to
get back to using nulls, you can (and probably will) BREAK THINGS in your
application.

Let me tell you a real life story.  I was brought in to maintain a database
where the original data was so poorly entered (and in fact designed) that
they could not get accurate results.  However because they did in fact use
nulls, EVERY SINGLE FIELD in the database had nulls in it, including all of
the foreign key fields.  Which meant EVERY SINGLE query in the database, and
EVERY SINGLE JOIN in the database had to use outer joins.  Inner joins
simply did not work.  Furthermore, because of the way access treats outer
joins, there was no way I could begin to use inner joins since I would get
the old "ambiguous join" message as soon as I tried to use an inner join in
amongst all the existing outer joins.  

Have you ever worked in a database where you open a query and every join is
an outer join?  Now you know why.  

Inner joins serve a very useful purpose but they were virtually unusable in
any complex query because of the requirement to pull in nulls (outer join)
if there was not a "valid" value.  It is of course perfectly possible to
have a record in the table which SPECIFICALLY MEANS "unknown", in which case
you suddenly have a "valid value" for the "unknown" and you can use inner
joins wherever they are appropriate.

I just thought I should pour a little cold water of reality on the purist
hooey.  So use Nulls if you must, but beware the pitfalls, and be aware of
the alternatives.

And of course we have been over all of this before and so now the flames
begin.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

First step would be to ensure that all values in the column are nulls when
they are not meaningful (although as Susan pointed out, null is meaningful).
What I mean is that zero is not equivalent to null.

You can do this at the table-design level by changing the properties to
"allow null = yes" and then erase the default value property, which tends to
go to zero, and that's not what you want. So once you have eliminated the
zeroes and replaced them will nulls, then you're in business, and the front
end won't let you deposit zeroes.

Even that oversimplifies, and sorry about that. Suppose, for example, the
column was called NumberOfChildren. The answer, as in my case, is zero. That
is a valid answer, and different from null, which indicates the absence of
information, not its presence. Retrofitting this analysis to existing data
may be non-trivial. If you don't know how many kids I have, then the
appropriate value is Null. If you do know that I have no kids, then the
appropriate value is zero. Either way, you have to resolve the existing data
before you can enforce it at the table-level. I hope that you don't have a
lot of data already recorded with this ambiguity. If you do, then you don't
have much choice but to check all the questionable values (does zero mean no
kids or we don't know?). That's not going to be easy, but sometimes accuracy
outweighs easiness.

hth,
Arthur

On 11/18/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats.
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
>
> > I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to 
> > create it.
> > Works great.
> > The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or 
> > null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some 
> > statistical jive later down the road.
> > So, how can I output a null?
>
> =======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are 
> you sure you really want to do that?
>
> Susan H.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov 18 13:30:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:30:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <009101c82a19$8297baf0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

You use a function to perform the calculation and return a NULL where you
want to.  All you have to do is either not declare the return type or
specifically declare it a variant.  If you don't declare the return type it
is automatically a variant.  A variant can be set to NULL.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

Hello Arthur

As I said in my first message and in the title this is all happening in a
Query, not a table. 
Sorry if that was not clear.
This column does not appear in the underlying table.
It is output by my function. Per your example: my function would compute the
number of children. If it could not do so, I want a null returned.

I want the query to output a value computed by my function or contain a
null. Maybe this is not possible??


TIA

Bob




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

First step would be to ensure that all values in the column are nulls when
they are not meaningful (although as Susan pointed out, null is meaningful).
What I mean is that zero is not equivalent to null.

You can do this at the table-design level by changing the properties to
"allow null = yes" and then erase the default value property, which tends to
go to zero, and that's not what you want. So once you have eliminated the
zeroes and replaced them will nulls, then you're in business, and the front
end won't let you deposit zeroes.

Even that oversimplifies, and sorry about that. Suppose, for example, the
column was called NumberOfChildren. The answer, as in my case, is zero. That
is a valid answer, and different from null, which indicates the absence of
information, not its presence. Retrofitting this analysis to existing data
may be non-trivial. If you don't know how many kids I have, then the
appropriate value is Null. If you do know that I have no kids, then the
appropriate value is zero. Either way, you have to resolve the existing data
before you can enforce it at the table-level. I hope that you don't have a
lot of data already recorded with this ambiguity. If you do, then you don't
have much choice but to check all the questionable values (does zero mean no
kids or we don't know?). That's not going to be easy, but sometimes accuracy
outweighs easiness.

hth,
Arthur

On 11/18/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats.
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
>
> > I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to 
> > create it.
> > Works great.
> > The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or 
> > null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some 
> > statistical jive later down the road.
> > So, how can I output a null?
>
> =======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are 
> you sure you really want to do that?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov 18 13:31:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:31:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy>
	<012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Susan,

No, AFAIK you cannot use any constant directly in a query, even if it is
global.  you could call a function which returns a variant though. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

>
> I want the query to output a value computed by my function or contain 
> a null. Maybe this is not possible??

========JC recommended making VBA's vbNull constant global in a module. That
way you can use it in a query expression. It's a terrific idea, wish I'd
thought of it. You might try that.

Susan H. 

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sun Nov 18 13:59:24 2007
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:59:24 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EBB@server.BondSoftware.local>

Steve and Rocky, 

this combination sounds like what I want.  Will try it this afternoon
and let you know.

Cheers
Stephen  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 6:45 a.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer

Stephen,

Therefore, you could do it within the same code that does the Requery. 
It would make it a lot easier to provide help if you could reveal the
names of the forms, and info about the subform's primary key, and the
code you have so far.  But possibly an adaptation of the code Rocky
suggested would do it, e.g....

    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
    lngClientGroupID = Me.TheSubformsPrimaryKey   ' assumes number data
type
    With Forms!YourForm!YourSubform.Form
        .Requery
        .RecordsetClone.FindFirst "TheSubformsPrimaryKey = " &
lngClientGroupID
        If .RecordsetClone.NoMatch Then
           MsgBox "Could not return to selected record", vbExclamation
        Else
           .Bookmark = .RecordsetClone.Bookmark
         End If
    End With

Another option woulkd be to use the main form's Activate event. You
described the editing form as a dialog box form.  If it is truly a
dialog form (i.e. it is opened from the main form in acDialog mode),
then possibly the main form's Activate event would be more applicable.

Regards
Steve

Stephen wrote:
> More info.  The Requery is done from the dialog box form.  It 
> requeries the invoking form.
> 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 14:08:43 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:08:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy><012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I think I totally misunderstand your response then. Someone was trying to 
use a vb constant in a query expression and I said you couldn't do that. I 
had always thought you couldn't use vb constants outside of a module until 
you responded with the global comment.

Maybe I'm just confusing two different threads. If so, I apologize.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> No, AFAIK you cannot use any constant directly in a query, even if it is
> global.  you could call a function which returns a variant though.



From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Nov 18 14:26:37 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:26:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy><012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <004201c82a21$51fbe850$800101df@speedy>

Thanks to all who were up early and replied.

I got an answer from one of the folks here in the hood (San Diego). It was
just a matter of adding a line to my code in my function.
See answer below:
GetScope2Code = IIf(Scope2Code = "", Null, Scope2Code) 

Funny I just read an old Advisor with an article about the
use/understanding/misunderstanding of nulls. I think it was penned by one of
our frequent contributors.

Here then too is another reason nulls are important; for
statistical/counting/... purposes.



Best,

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

I think I totally misunderstand your response then. Someone was trying to
use a vb constant in a query expression and I said you couldn't do that. I
had always thought you couldn't use vb constants outside of a module until
you responded with the global comment.

Maybe I'm just confusing two different threads. If so, I apologize.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> No, AFAIK you cannot use any constant directly in a query, even if it 
> is global.  you could call a function which returns a variant though.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov 18 15:43:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:43:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy><012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <009601c82a2c$06b54610$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I think I was confused.  I thought you were asking about "seeing" a constant
outside of a module, not specifically in a query. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

I think I totally misunderstand your response then. Someone was trying to
use a vb constant in a query expression and I said you couldn't do that. I
had always thought you couldn't use vb constants outside of a module until
you responded with the global comment.

Maybe I'm just confusing two different threads. If so, I apologize.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> No, AFAIK you cannot use any constant directly in a query, even if it 
> is global.  you could call a function which returns a variant though.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 15:48:40 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:48:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy><012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90><01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009601c82a2c$06b54610$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <021801c82a2c$cbc6a520$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


Okay, that would make sense. I stand corrected -- you know, I hadn't tested 
it yet, but thought that would be so cool if it worked. Oh well...

Susan H.


>I think I was confused.  I thought you were asking about "seeing" a 
>constant
> outside of a module, not specifically in a query.



From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sun Nov 18 17:30:58 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:30:58 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200711182331.lAINV42O023020@databaseadvisors.com>

Happy birthday Arthur - Congratulations - 

I agree - Good friends - Healthy relationships - are truly the foundations of a
good life

Congratulations again

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2007 1:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From paulrster at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 01:07:51 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:07:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A test
Message-ID: <001801c82a7a$e766cd70$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

Thanks, Brian, for your help. When my thanks to you didn't appear, I felt it
best to resubscribe, which I have done now. All the best 

paul 

 

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 06:41:35 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:41:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A test
In-Reply-To: <001801c82a7a$e766cd70$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
References: <001801c82a7a$e766cd70$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711190441kd38886cmee9523dde350cc2d@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 19, 2007 2:07 AM, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Brian, for your help. When my thanks to you didn't appear, I felt it
> best to resubscribe, which I have done now. All the best

Glad everything is now working for you.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 08:23:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:23:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
Message-ID: <s741aa89.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Kostas

You can copy and paste the code into a new module. Save this and the function can be used anywhere as the built-in functions of Access (like, say, DateDiff).
If this is what is causing you problems, somebody else could perhaps help you with a beginner's guide to VBA (I have none, sorry).

/gustav

>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 16-11-2007 11:23 >>>
Gustav,
could you please show me the way to use that function
I am not really familiar with function's code
thank's a lot
/kostas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days


> Hi Kostas
>
> Here is the function we use:
>
> Public Function ISO_WorkdayDiff( _
>  ByVal datDateFrom As Date, _
>  ByVal datDateTo As Date) _
>  As Long
>
> ' Purpose: Calculate number of working days between dates datDateFrom and 
> datDateTo.
> ' Assumes: 5 or 6 working days per week. Weekend is (Saturday and) Sunday.
> ' Limitation: Does not count for public holidays.
> ' May be freely used and distributed.
> ' 1999-04-23. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
> ' 2000-10-03. Constants added.
> '             Option for 5 or 6 working days per week added.
>
>  Const cbytWorkdaysOfWeek  As Byte = 5
>
>  Dim bytSunday             As Byte
>  Dim intWeekdayDateFrom    As Integer
>  Dim intWeekdayDateTo      As Integer
>  Dim lngDays               As Long
>  Dim datDateTemp           As Date
>
>  ' Reverse dates if these have been input reversed.
>  If datDateFrom > datDateTo Then
>    datDateTemp = datDateFrom
>    datDateFrom = datDateTo
>    datDateTo = datDateTemp
>  End If
>
>  ' Find ISO weekday for Sunday.
>  bytSunday = WeekDay(vbSunday, vbMonday)
>
>  ' Find weekdays for the dates.
>  intWeekdayDateFrom = WeekDay(datDateFrom, vbMonday)
>  intWeekdayDateTo = WeekDay(datDateTo, vbMonday)
>
>  ' Compensate weekdays' value for non-working days (weekends).
>  intWeekdayDateFrom = intWeekdayDateFrom + (intWeekdayDateFrom = 
> bytSunday)
>  intWeekdayDateTo = intWeekdayDateTo + (intWeekdayDateTo = bytSunday)
>
>  ' Calculate number of working days between the two weekdays, ignoring 
> number of weeks.
>  lngDays = intWeekdayDateTo - intWeekdayDateFrom - (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * 
> (intWeekdayDateTo < intWeekdayDateFrom))
>  ' Add number of working days between the weeks of the two dates.
>  lngDays = lngDays + (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * DateDiff("w", datDateFrom, 
> datDateTo, vbMonday, vbFirstFourDays))
>
>  ISO_WorkdayDiff = lngDays
>
> End Function
>
> To exclude holidays, look up and count the holidays from a table of 
> holidays not falling in weekends; substract this number from the count of 
> working days.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 15-11-07 20:49 >>>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
> are moving year by year
>
> many thank's to all
>
> /kostas





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 08:59:24 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:59:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <003001c828fc$e2cd3cb0$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <005801c8289a$15263800$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<003001c828fc$e2cd3cb0$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <00ac01c82abc$c6ffcbd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Truecrypt is also able to encrypt entire volumes is you so desire.  I have
never done so since I like the ability to copy the file for backup.  I may
experiment on doing that however.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


Hi John,
Yes, this is something that I will now set up, especially for my laptop and
memory stick.

FYI I also use cGeep to encrypt sensitive emails (www cgeep com) which uses
PGP encryption plus there is a web based version for those who do not want
to install it.  It can also encrypt files/directories directly which avoid
the need to mount a volume.  But what is great with TrueCrypt is that it
will run apps or all kinds directly from the encrypted file without storing
any decrypted data anywhere other than in memory.

All in all, in a few weeks I will have great encryption right across the
board.

Another trick which is easy to remember is "positioning" keys. Ie,
"qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhn" which if you look at a keyboard you will see that it
just traverses up/down across the key pad.  As long as  you remember
whatever positioning you use, then you actually do not need to even remember
the passphrase.  Needless to say, this positioning example is not my one
<smile>.  Throw a couple of other keys in with the alpha keys then it just
won't make any sense if terms of "real words" for brute force decryption
(although I think the TrueCrypt mention something like a billion years to
decrypt with a  supercomputer, so pretty safe really).

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file that
contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does take
a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that you
can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.

I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.  The
TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have admin
rights in order to do this.

I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.

Just don't forget your password.

I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:

Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow MhAlLhFwWaS (use
alternating upper and lower case) Throw two numbers in front of, behind or
around it
0MhAlLhFwWaS9
Now throw two special characters in front of that !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@

That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
twice, perhaps

Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

!0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
plus numbers and special symbols.  

Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
strength memorable password.

http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 09:14:19 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:14:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
Message-ID: <s741b683.006@cactus.dk>

What a wonderful evening, Arthur! Thank you for sharing.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 16-11-2007 15:24 >>>
Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 09:21:57 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:21:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
Message-ID: <s741b845.007@cactus.dk>

Hi William

I know what tune: Suspicion.

As I have heard you are talking to your computers, what came first to my mind was Love Me Tender, but that would be too sentimental.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 16-11-2007 23:57 >>>
I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around 
my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most 
everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go 
to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune 
...shows my age, it does :)

William





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 09:56:11 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:56:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
Message-ID: <00ad01c82ac4$b5604140$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have a Windows 2003 server with an dedicated Areca raid controller.  The
system disk C: is on the raid controller, however another pair of disks are
somehow involved in the  boot process.  These two disks are talking (SATA)
directly to the motherboard SATA ports (using Raid1 via the motherboard raid
controller), and to look at them there is nothing on them.  However if I
disconnect these disks then the system gives the old "boot disk not found"
when the computer is reset.  That implies that this pair of disks (a single
Raid1 volume) contains boot files required to actually boot the computer
even though the C: drive itself is on the Areca controller.

How do I set the C: drive to be the boot drive and contain whatever these
files are that are currently housed on this extra pair of disks?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 10:00:41 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:00:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <s741b845.007@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c82ac5$568352b0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...lol ..."I'll Remember You" might be more appropriate :)))

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Hi William
>
> I know what tune: Suspicion.
>
> As I have heard you are talking to your computers, what came first to my 
> mind was Love Me Tender, but that would be too sentimental.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 16-11-2007 23:57 >>>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 09:58:49 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:58:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
only Charlotte is that old :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted
file
>>that
>> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another 
>> encrypted
>> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever
does
>> take
>> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is
that
>> you
>> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a
backup
>> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is
exposed.
>>
>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an
encrypted
>> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is
encrypted.
>> The
>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run
from
>> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run
TrueCrypt,
>> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to
have
>> admin
>> rights in order to do this.
>>
>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>
>> Just don't forget your password.
>>
>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you
are
>> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>
>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
>> MhAlLhFwWaS
>> (use alternating upper and lower case)
>> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>> Now throw two special characters in front of that
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>
>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do

>> that
>> twice, perhaps
>>
>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together
are
>> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have
it
>> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, 
>> whatever
>> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each 
>> word,
>> plus numbers and special symbols.
>>
>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that 
>> would
>> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
>> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
>> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an
industrial
>> strength memorable password.
>>
>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>> Hi William:
>>
>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>
>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees 
>> store
>> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security 
>> threats
>> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>
>>
>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password
>> protected.
>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now
contain
>> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>
>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do
things"
>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined
in
>> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing
data
>> options, etc.
>>
>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am
trusted
>> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a 
>> client
>> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have
to
>> take another look at this.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>>> John Colby:
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's
in
>>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>
>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>
>>> Max
>>
>> -- 
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>
>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Mon Nov 19 10:05:16 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:05:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
In-Reply-To: <s741aa89.004@cactus.dk>
References: <s741aa89.004@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <36EF25C510BD445685F3851603BD65EF@kost36PC>

Hi Gustav,
I feel to say a great thank's to you and all the people aided me the last 
two years
to face many problems on my beggining in ms access.

Be well
kostas




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days


> Hi Kostas
>
> You can copy and paste the code into a new module. Save this and the 
> function can be used anywhere as the built-in functions of Access (like, 
> say, DateDiff).
> If this is what is causing you problems, somebody else could perhaps help 
> you with a beginner's guide to VBA (I have none, sorry).
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 16-11-2007 11:23 >>>
> Gustav,
> could you please show me the way to use that function
> I am not really familiar with function's code
> thank's a lot
> /kostas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
>
>
>> Hi Kostas
>>
>> Here is the function we use:
>>
>> Public Function ISO_WorkdayDiff( _
>>  ByVal datDateFrom As Date, _
>>  ByVal datDateTo As Date) _
>>  As Long
>>
>> ' Purpose: Calculate number of working days between dates datDateFrom and
>> datDateTo.
>> ' Assumes: 5 or 6 working days per week. Weekend is (Saturday and) 
>> Sunday.
>> ' Limitation: Does not count for public holidays.
>> ' May be freely used and distributed.
>> ' 1999-04-23. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
>> ' 2000-10-03. Constants added.
>> '             Option for 5 or 6 working days per week added.
>>
>>  Const cbytWorkdaysOfWeek  As Byte = 5
>>
>>  Dim bytSunday             As Byte
>>  Dim intWeekdayDateFrom    As Integer
>>  Dim intWeekdayDateTo      As Integer
>>  Dim lngDays               As Long
>>  Dim datDateTemp           As Date
>>
>>  ' Reverse dates if these have been input reversed.
>>  If datDateFrom > datDateTo Then
>>    datDateTemp = datDateFrom
>>    datDateFrom = datDateTo
>>    datDateTo = datDateTemp
>>  End If
>>
>>  ' Find ISO weekday for Sunday.
>>  bytSunday = WeekDay(vbSunday, vbMonday)
>>
>>  ' Find weekdays for the dates.
>>  intWeekdayDateFrom = WeekDay(datDateFrom, vbMonday)
>>  intWeekdayDateTo = WeekDay(datDateTo, vbMonday)
>>
>>  ' Compensate weekdays' value for non-working days (weekends).
>>  intWeekdayDateFrom = intWeekdayDateFrom + (intWeekdayDateFrom =
>> bytSunday)
>>  intWeekdayDateTo = intWeekdayDateTo + (intWeekdayDateTo = bytSunday)
>>
>>  ' Calculate number of working days between the two weekdays, ignoring
>> number of weeks.
>>  lngDays = intWeekdayDateTo - intWeekdayDateFrom - (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek *
>> (intWeekdayDateTo < intWeekdayDateFrom))
>>  ' Add number of working days between the weeks of the two dates.
>>  lngDays = lngDays + (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * DateDiff("w", datDateFrom,
>> datDateTo, vbMonday, vbFirstFourDays))
>>
>>  ISO_WorkdayDiff = lngDays
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> To exclude holidays, look up and count the holidays from a table of
>> holidays not falling in weekends; substract this number from the count of
>> working days.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 15-11-07 20:49 >>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
>> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
>> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
>> are moving year by year
>>
>> many thank's to all
>>
>> /kostas
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 10:11:31 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:11:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most 
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 10:14:47 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:14:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E37@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live
much longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
only Charlotte is that old :)

William




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 10:22:36 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:22:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E37@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E37@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00af01c82ac8$65ddf550$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Planning a trip to Disney World Orlando?  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live much
longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 10:29:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:29:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
Message-ID: <s741c801.010@cactus.dk>

Hi William

Wasn't that Frank Ifield?
O'boy, this is racing OT ...

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 19-11-2007 17:00 >>>
...lol ..."I'll Remember You" might be more appropriate :)))

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Hi William
>
> I know what tune: Suspicion.
>
> As I have heard you are talking to your computers, what came first to my 
> mind was Love Me Tender, but that would be too sentimental.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 16-11-2007 23:57 >>>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 10:29:38 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:29:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <00af01c82ac8$65ddf550$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E37@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00af01c82ac8$65ddf550$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E38@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

<evilgrin>

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Planning a trip to Disney World Orlando?  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live
much longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
only Charlotte is that old :)

William


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 10:37:15 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:37:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
Message-ID: <s741c9e1.011@cactus.dk>

Hi John

How dare you? Implying Charlotte to be the turkey at the upcoming parade?

/gustav

PS: That story about the lady spreading "baby powder" in the park has travelled the ocean ...

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-11-2007 17:22 >>>
Planning a trip to Disney World Orlando?  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live much
longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 10:57:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:57:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <s741c9e1.011@cactus.dk>
References: <s741c9e1.011@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00b601c82acd$447f8810$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I had never heard of that until you mentioned it.  I googled it and boy,
what a sicko lot we humans are!  It sounds like a HUGE expense for Disney
World. 

http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11584

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John

How dare you? Implying Charlotte to be the turkey at the upcoming parade?

/gustav

PS: That story about the lady spreading "baby powder" in the park has
travelled the ocean ...

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-11-2007 17:22 >>>
Planning a trip to Disney World Orlando?  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live much
longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 13:20:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:20:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
Message-ID: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 13:29:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:29:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
Message-ID: <00d101c82ae2$784fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Nov 19 13:38:17 2007
From: Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:38:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3108FEFB5E13@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Rocky

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/pdffiles.htm


Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
Queen's University
Riddel Hall
185 Stranmillis Road
Belfast
BT9 5EE
Tel : 02890974465
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 19 November 2007 19:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.

I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?

Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.

MTIA

Rocky

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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 13:59:17 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:59:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy>

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 19 14:42:15 2007
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:42:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00d101c82ae2$784fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00d101c82ae2$784fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV11C2ADE32A29F071B87B229A7E0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 14:53:45 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:53:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy>
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Acrobat 8 isn't the latest?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 15:05:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:05:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3108FEFB5E13@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3108FEFB5E13@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <005d01c82aef$f642c360$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Looks good.  Thanks.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Rocky

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/pdffiles.htm


Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
Queen's University
Riddel Hall
185 Stranmillis Road
Belfast
BT9 5EE
Tel : 02890974465
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach
Access Software [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 19 November 2007 19:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.

I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?

Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.

MTIA

Rocky

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 15:21:59 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:21:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV11C2ADE32A29F071B87B229A7E0@phx.gbl>
References: <00d101c82ae2$784fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY109-DAV11C2ADE32A29F071B87B229A7E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d801c82af2$394d2b30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have not taken any of the tests. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie Reardon
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Mon Nov 19 15:25:10 2007
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:25:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] PDF
Message-ID: <4741FF36.3050801@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey Rocky
KISS
Checkout Lebans Access Reports to PDF
It is a beauty, been using it for years.


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 15:39:23 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:39:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <004c01c82af4$a6d8ec00$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Rocky,

Use Lebans Output to PDF.  Works great and you can name files and store them
in any directory you want.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 16:22:36 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:22:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <005c01c82aee$474f6df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy>
	<005c01c82aee$474f6df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00fb01c82afa$b048c9d0$800101df@speedy>


Hey Rocky,

Sure but I read 3.0 in your original.... "Acrobat 3.0 Type Library"


Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Acrobat 8 isn't the latest?

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Mon Nov 19 16:39:55 2007
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:39:55 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c82afa$b048c9d0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <007c01c82afd$1ba52780$0d08a8c0@carltonone.local>

Rocky,

Don't worry about using the full blown Acrobat. Use PDFCreator which is Open
Source and has code samples available here:

http://www.pdfforge.org/

Vlad

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 9:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF


Hey Rocky,

Sure but I read 3.0 in your original.... "Acrobat 3.0 Type Library"


Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Acrobat 8 isn't the latest?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 17:05:22 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:05:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected Recordsets in 2007
Message-ID: <00f401c82b00$ad2cfc20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Is there any substantial difference in using disconnected Recordsets from 
2003 to 2007?

Susan H. 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 17:35:25 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:35:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
References: <004c01c82af4$a6d8ec00$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <002101c82b04$dd5ecbe0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...amen to Lebans ...its in every one of my apps ...combined with his RTF 
control and his Report to Word stuff, you can build a really nice combo 
...and he actually supports his stuff in the MS news groups.

William

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From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF


> Rocky,
>
> Use Lebans Output to PDF.  Works great and you can name files and store 
> them
> in any directory you want.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach 
> them
> to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and 
> have
> a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
>
> I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
> Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
> these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
>
> Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a 
> specific
> location so I can attach it to an email.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 18:01:47 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:01:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c82afa$b048c9d0$800101df@speedy>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy><005c01c82aee$474f6df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00fb01c82afa$b048c9d0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <007f01c82b08$8c390920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

O.  That was in the references.  They've got 8.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF


Hey Rocky,

Sure but I read 3.0 in your original.... "Acrobat 3.0 Type Library"


Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Acrobat 8 isn't the latest?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 18:02:55 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:02:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <005d01c82aef$f642c360$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3108FEFB5E13@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<005d01c82aef$f642c360$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <008001c82b08$b44e9240$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

And thank you to everyone else who's touting me on Lebans.  I'm slow, but
I'm teachable.


Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Looks good.  Thanks.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Rocky

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/pdffiles.htm


Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
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Riddel Hall
185 Stranmillis Road
Belfast
BT9 5EE
Tel : 02890974465
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach
Access Software [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 19 November 2007 19:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.

I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?

Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.

MTIA

Rocky

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From jedi at charm.net  Mon Nov 19 21:03:59 2007
From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:03:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c82ac4$b5604140$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00ad01c82ac4$b5604140$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <1289.24.35.45.228.1195527839.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

Try this:
1. Navigate to the Disk Management console.
2. Right-click the grey 'Disk Description' pane that is located to the
left of the Color-coded volume panes.
3. Select, Upgrade to Dynamic Disk.'  Note you will have to reboot not
once, but twice.

If that does not work then reformat.  Backup all your data then reformat.
The big negative about RAID is that it is one-way.  Once you set up as
RAID you can not go back without lots of pain.

Mike..


> I have a Windows 2003 server with an dedicated Areca raid controller.  The
> system disk C: is on the raid controller, however another pair of disks
> are
> somehow involved in the  boot process.  These two disks are talking (SATA)
> directly to the motherboard SATA ports (using Raid1 via the motherboard
> raid
> controller), and to look at them there is nothing on them.  However if I
> disconnect these disks then the system gives the old "boot disk not found"
> when the computer is reset.  That implies that this pair of disks (a
> single
> Raid1 volume) contains boot files required to actually boot the computer
> even though the C: drive itself is on the Areca controller.
>
> How do I set the C: drive to be the boot drive and contain whatever these
> files are that are currently housed on this extra pair of disks?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 20 01:20:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:20:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
Message-ID: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 20 04:16:11 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:16:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
Message-ID: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit" explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 07:58:04 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:58:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001601c82b7d$5fd01d40$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Gustav / Julie,

I think the link that I just posted is the notification of when it will be
available? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 08:12:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:12:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>

What I am still trying to figure out is... is this a way to get the Visual
Studio 2008 for "free"?  IOW it does not come in the action pack but they
will give it to action pack subscribers IS they take this test?  That is how
I got an additional copy of VS 2005, which I gave away as a door prize for
the First Annual Greater Smokey Mountain AccessD conference.  If I do this I
guess I will have to keep this one since I don't have VS 2008.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 08:16:48 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:16:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone finds 
out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)

Susan H.


> What I am still trying to figure out is... is this a way to get the Visual
> Studio 2008 for "free"?  IOW it does not come in the action pack but they
> will give it to action pack subscribers IS they take this test?  That is 
> how
> I got an additional copy of VS 2005, which I gave away as a door prize for
> the First Annual Greater Smokey Mountain AccessD conference.  If I do this 
> I
> guess I will have to keep this one since I don't have VS 2008.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi Julie
>
> This was discussed in the recent thread:
>
> "Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html
>
> I did take a test:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html
>
> As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
> explains:
>
> Step 4:
>  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it 
> is
> available.
>  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page.
>
> I guess you just have to trust that statement.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
> Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, 
> but
> never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?
>
> Julie Reardon
> PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
> 44 Public Square, Suite 5
> Watertown, NY  13601
> Phone:  315.785.0319
> Fax:  315.785.0323
> NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
> NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
> www.pro-soft.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 08:47:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:47:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <001801c82b84$36caffd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL, I doubt it.  But as Gustav indicated you can just go take the test
again. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone finds
out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)

Susan H.


> What I am still trying to figure out is... is this a way to get the 
> Visual Studio 2008 for "free"?  IOW it does not come in the action 
> pack but they will give it to action pack subscribers IS they take 
> this test?  That is how I got an additional copy of VS 2005, which I 
> gave away as a door prize for the First Annual Greater Smokey Mountain 
> AccessD conference.  If I do this I guess I will have to keep this one 
> since I don't have VS 2008.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi Julie
>
> This was discussed in the recent thread:
>
> "Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html
>
> I did take a test:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html
>
> As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
> explains:
>
> Step 4:
>  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that 
> it is available.
>  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page.
>
> I guess you just have to trust that statement.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
> Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and 
> passed, but never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else 
> take it?
>
> Julie Reardon
> PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
> 44 Public Square, Suite 5
> Watertown, NY  13601
> Phone:  315.785.0319
> Fax:  315.785.0323
> NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
> NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
> www.pro-soft.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 09:12:51 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:12:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<001801c82b84$36caffd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00b001c82b87$d441a3b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Yeah, in my spare time. :) Today, I'm caring for a sick grandbaby, just a 
few days away from the big T day -- so many opportunities, so little time. 
:) Right now, she is transferring dry dog food from bowls to the top of my 
cpu tower -- not sure why, but she's singing, so I think I'll leave her 
alone and just hope no crumbs wiggle their way into the casing. Now, if I 
could just keep socks on her...

Susan H.


> LOL, I doubt it.  But as Gustav indicated you can just go take the test
> again.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 09:23:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:23:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00b001c82b87$d441a3b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><001801c82b84$36caffd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<00b001c82b87$d441a3b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <001901c82b89$54b04050$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  You don't even want to put a spare bowl or plate next to my daughter
while she is eating or she will digress into transferring the food back and
forth.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Yeah, in my spare time. :) Today, I'm caring for a sick grandbaby, just a
few days away from the big T day -- so many opportunities, so little time. 
:) Right now, she is transferring dry dog food from bowls to the top of my
cpu tower -- not sure why, but she's singing, so I think I'll leave her
alone and just hope no crumbs wiggle their way into the casing. Now, if I
could just keep socks on her...

Susan H.


> LOL, I doubt it.  But as Gustav indicated you can just go take the 
> test again.

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 20 09:45:49 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:45:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>

<<Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone
finds 
out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)>>

  No as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.  Their trying
to clear out the deadwood like me<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone finds

out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)

Susan H.


> What I am still trying to figure out is... is this a way to get the Visual
> Studio 2008 for "free"?  IOW it does not come in the action pack but they
> will give it to action pack subscribers IS they take this test?  That is 
> how
> I got an additional copy of VS 2005, which I gave away as a door prize for
> the First Annual Greater Smokey Mountain AccessD conference.  If I do this

> I
> guess I will have to keep this one since I don't have VS 2008.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi Julie
>
> This was discussed in the recent thread:
>
> "Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html
>
> I did take a test:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html
>
> As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
> explains:
>
> Step 4:
>  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it 
> is
> available.
>  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page.
>
> I guess you just have to trust that statement.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
> Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, 
> but
> never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?
>
> Julie Reardon
> PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
> 44 Public Square, Suite 5
> Watertown, NY  13601
> Phone:  315.785.0319
> Fax:  315.785.0323
> NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
> NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
> www.pro-soft.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 09:54:50 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:54:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
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>  No as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.  Their trying
> to clear out the deadwood like me<g>.

======Deadwood? What does that even mean? If I don't have the software, I 
can't learn how to use it properly. Are they trying to weed out those that 
use it badly?????? If they limit the software to only those that know what 
they're doing, aren't they reducing their market?

Susan H. 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 10:15:09 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:15:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past
couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply
them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to
continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.

And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to

Resellers
Technology Consultants
Value-added Technology Partners
System Integrators
Developers
System Builders

Still pretty open I guess as those cover a lot of ground.

GK

On 11/20/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  No as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.  Their trying
> > to clear out the deadwood like me<g>.
>
> ======Deadwood? What does that even mean? If I don't have the software, I
> can't learn how to use it properly. Are they trying to weed out those that
> use it badly?????? If they limit the software to only those that know what
> they're doing, aren't they reducing their market?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 10:27:56 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:27:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
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Message-ID: <002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



> They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past
> couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply
> them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to
> continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
>
> And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
>
> Resellers
> Technology Consultants
> Value-added Technology Partners
> System Integrators
> Developers
> System Builders

=========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not interested 
in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated software. Most of the 
time, I can get them from publishers if I really need them though.

I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this makes 
sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft products, but 
at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to learn new technologies 
from the ground floor.

Susan H. 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 10:46:11 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:46:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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Being a partner is just a matter of signing up to be a partner. Not a big deal.

It's $300 or so a year to subscribe. Includes 10 licenses to Office
and Windows and one each to the server OS's and back end stuff like
Exchange. You are not supposed to be using it to run your business
though. Supposed to be used to learn and demonstrate to customers and
to practice installing if you are a system builder.

GK

On 11/20/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past
> > couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply
> > them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to
> > continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
> >
> > And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
> >
> > Resellers
> > Technology Consultants
> > Value-added Technology Partners
> > System Integrators
> > Developers
> > System Builders
>
> =========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not interested
> in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated software. Most of the
> time, I can get them from publishers if I really need them though.
>
> I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this makes
> sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft products, but
> at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to learn new technologies
> from the ground floor.
>
> Susan H.

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 20 11:02:18 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:02:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
Message-ID: <s7432140.040@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim and Susan

> .. as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.

You may be. Read again here:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 20-11-2007 16:45 >>>
<<Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone finds out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)>>

  No as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.  Their trying to clear out the deadwood like me<g>.

Jim. 





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 11:10:31 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:10:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot
is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede
the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 11:09:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:09:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <002801c82b98$10e16750$6c7aa8c0@M90>

It is worth the bucks to me.  I have three servers and three laptops and I
use the software to host SQL Server 2005 on the servers as well as office
for all of my computers.  I have two machines running Server 2003 with SQL
Server 2005, and 5 computers running XP Pro.  I am supposed to migrate all
of those XP machines to Vista but it would destroy my life doing so.  I also
run Office 2003 on three machines regularly and have installed 2007 to start
playing with and get used to.  All told it would cost me a thousand or two
more than I pay for the software I use so I do the action pack.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers



> They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past 
> couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply 
> them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to 
> continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
>
> And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
>
> Resellers
> Technology Consultants
> Value-added Technology Partners
> System Integrators
> Developers
> System Builders

=========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not interested
in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated software. Most of the
time, I can get them from publishers if I really need them though.

I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this makes
sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft products, but
at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to learn new technologies
from the ground floor.

Susan H. 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 11:11:15 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:11:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Gary,

AFAICT you ARE allowed (and encouraged) to use it to run your business, what
you are not supposed to do is use it to host commercial applications like
web sites, client stuff etc.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Being a partner is just a matter of signing up to be a partner. Not a big
deal.

It's $300 or so a year to subscribe. Includes 10 licenses to Office and
Windows and one each to the server OS's and back end stuff like Exchange.
You are not supposed to be using it to run your business though. Supposed to
be used to learn and demonstrate to customers and to practice installing if
you are a system builder.

GK

On 11/20/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the 
> > past couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to 
> > supply them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me 
> > to continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
> >
> > And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
> >
> > Resellers
> > Technology Consultants
> > Value-added Technology Partners
> > System Integrators
> > Developers
> > System Builders
>
> =========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not 
> interested in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated 
> software. Most of the time, I can get them from publishers if I really
need them though.
>
> I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this 
> makes sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft 
> products, but at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to 
> learn new technologies from the ground floor.
>
> Susan H.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 11:13:58 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:13:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Susan,

You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
reasons.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers



> They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past

> couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply 
> them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to 
> continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
>
> And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
>
> Resellers
> Technology Consultants
> Value-added Technology Partners
> System Integrators
> Developers
> System Builders

=========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not
interested in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated software.
Most of the time, I can get them from publishers if I really need them
though.

I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this
makes sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft
products, but at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to learn
new technologies from the ground floor.

Susan H. 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 11:28:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:28:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
In-Reply-To: <1289.24.35.45.228.1195527839.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
References: <00ad01c82ac4$b5604140$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<1289.24.35.45.228.1195527839.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
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Michael,

I am not sure I understand.  I have a system with the OS itself on a raid
drive, running on a dedicated raid controller card.  That works exactly as
expected and I like it - raid 6 protection etc.  I also have a pair of older
drives which probably (the details are hazy now) had the OS on them
originally, which run off of the raid controller on the motherboard.  These
two disks form a raid 1 array (mirrored) with nothing visible on it, and yes
I have told windows explorer to show system and hidden files.  However if I
disconnect these two older drives from the motherboard (remove power or
remove the SATA connector) windows does not boot.  

IIRC there is a master boot record that is written to a drive that is where
windows goes for the very first "bootstrap" code.  It then tells windows
where the rest of the OS is located.  I thought there was a "sys" command
(in the old days anyway) that would write this master boot record and
perhaps a couple of other files to a hard disk and that you could just "sys"
a drive to make it the drive with that MBR stuff.  If I can do that to the
C: drive on the Areca dedicated raid card then I could boot directly off of
that C: drive and get rid of these two older drives.  If they ever fail I am
doomed.  Yea they are raid one but I do NOT want to be trying to rebuild a
mirror just for some hidden MBR that should have been moved long ago.

Unfortunately I do not know as much about that stuff as I once did and have
so far been unable to discover how to change from "booting" off these older
drives to booting off the new.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable

Try this:
1. Navigate to the Disk Management console.
2. Right-click the grey 'Disk Description' pane that is located to the left
of the Color-coded volume panes.
3. Select, Upgrade to Dynamic Disk.'  Note you will have to reboot not once,
but twice.

If that does not work then reformat.  Backup all your data then reformat.
The big negative about RAID is that it is one-way.  Once you set up as RAID
you can not go back without lots of pain.

Mike..


> I have a Windows 2003 server with an dedicated Areca raid controller.  
> The system disk C: is on the raid controller, however another pair of 
> disks are somehow involved in the  boot process.  These two disks are 
> talking (SATA) directly to the motherboard SATA ports (using Raid1 via 
> the motherboard raid controller), and to look at them there is nothing 
> on them.  However if I disconnect these disks then the system gives 
> the old "boot disk not found"
> when the computer is reset.  That implies that this pair of disks (a 
> single
> Raid1 volume) contains boot files required to actually boot the 
> computer even though the C: drive itself is on the Areca controller.
>
> How do I set the C: drive to be the boot drive and contain whatever 
> these files are that are currently housed on this extra pair of disks?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 11:30:08 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:30:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711200930h63bee775yfa05512f9bb97a1f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

You are interpretting the statement differently than I then....

"The software products that are included with the subscription are NFD
versions. You can use them only for testing, evaluation,
demonstration, training, and educational purposes. For example, you
can use the Action Pack software to host your company's intranet but
the software cannot be used to host a commercial Web site. This is
considered a production environment that is outside the scope of the
software's intended purpose."

and Item (b) below under reasons for termination....

This is an excerpt from the agreement:
Subscription Term and Termination. The term of this Subscription is
one (1) year from the date you purchase the Subscription. It is
important that you maintain properly licensed Microsoft products. You
agree that Microsoft may terminate this Agreement, without prejudice
to any other rights or remedies, at any time without prior written
notice to you in the event that you:

(a) Violate the End User License Agreements accompanying Microsoft products;

(b) Resell, transfer, or use the Microsoft Action Pack Subscription
Product Licenses for any purpose other than demonstration, testing,
education, or evaluation; or

(c) Engage in, or participate with any third party in, the
unauthorized manufacture, duplication, distribution or use of any
Microsoft products or otherwise infringe any other intellectual
property right of Microsoft.

(d) Upon expiration or earlier termination of this Agreement, you
agree to immediately cease use of and to destroy all copies of any
Microsoft Products provided with or licensed under the Subscription,
including but not limited to, all Not for Retail Distribution software
media and all Microsoft Action Pack Subscription Product License
copies.

From:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/312310

GK

On 11/20/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Gary,
>
> AFAICT you ARE allowed (and encouraged) to use it to run your business, what
> you are not supposed to do is use it to host commercial applications like
> web sites, client stuff etc.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com

-- 
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Tue Nov 20 11:34:06 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:34:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ  A97 vs A2k+
In-Reply-To: <001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop><001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000><010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop><473F473D.50403@mvps.org>
	<001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB0FD@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I know about
having to create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)  

I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field (LastUpdtBy)
in a new record in my A97-tables for years.  

I created the function that was recommended and it works in my vb/vba
code portions. It is not working in the table field default.  Gives me
the runtime error # 3388 "unknown function 'Environ'.

Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives, please send a
complete link. I have tried finding something suggested in mails but
can't find them easily.

I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they should have
created a valid totally useable workaround

Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL
Patti
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 11:50:02 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:50:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be 
part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did 
you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd 
rather not.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
> reasons.



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 20 11:55:42 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:55:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's pretty
much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 11:58:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:58:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711200930h63bee775yfa05512f9bb97a1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com><002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711200930h63bee775yfa05512f9bb97a1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c82b9e$ff4d1cd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>


https://partner.microsoft.com/global/40047166

Step 3: Take your business to new levels by signing up for the Microsoft
Action Pack Subscription. Your subscription offers a full suite of Microsoft
not-for-distribution (NFD) software to help you run your business, train
your staff, and demonstrate your Web-based solutions to your business
customers.

RUN YOUR BUSINESS...

and

https://partner.microsoft.com/global/program/managemembership/actionpack/map
slicensing

The Microsoft Action Pack Subscription License Agreement gives you the right
to use the Action Pack software to run your own business as well as for
evaluation, demonstration, testing, training, and education. They are not
for personal use, for hosting customer applications, or for installation at
a customer site. They may not be resold, transferred, or assigned to any
third party. 

Again, RUN YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

I think it is pretty clear that we can use it for business purposes.
Putting one of the licenses on your child's computer is no doubt illegal.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi John,

You are interpretting the statement differently than I then....

GK



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 12:00:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:00:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <003001c82b9f$3730ab30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Susan,

I am a Sole Proprietorship business.  It cost me about $25 to file the
paperwork with the county.  As such I am Colby Consulting, a licensed
business. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be
part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did
you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
rather not.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an 
> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for 
> various reasons.

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 12:04:18 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:04:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711201004i5a9d9603ob240c0b7c7868666@mail.gmail.com>

I am my own organization. I now am called "Gary Kjos Consulting" since
they needed a company name. But I don't have any officaly incorporated
company of that name. I do occaisional consulting work is all and have
done them without a company name but last year when I renewed they
required me to have a company name other than my own name. So i added
Consulting and they were good with that.

GK

On 11/20/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be
> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did
> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
> rather not.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> >
> > You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
> > associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
> > reasons.
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 12:05:59 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:05:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002f01c82b9e$ff4d1cd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711200930h63bee775yfa05512f9bb97a1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<002f01c82b9e$ff4d1cd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711201005s5b037c03v338df8e2e73ac8ed@mail.gmail.com>

Works for me.  I sit corrected.

GK

On 11/20/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/global/40047166
>
> Step 3: Take your business to new levels by signing up for the Microsoft
> Action Pack Subscription. Your subscription offers a full suite of Microsoft
> not-for-distribution (NFD) software to help you run your business, train
> your staff, and demonstrate your Web-based solutions to your business
> customers.
>
> RUN YOUR BUSINESS...
>
> and
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/global/program/managemembership/actionpack/map
> slicensing
>
> The Microsoft Action Pack Subscription License Agreement gives you the right
> to use the Action Pack software to run your own business as well as for
> evaluation, demonstration, testing, training, and education. They are not
> for personal use, for hosting customer applications, or for installation at
> a customer site. They may not be resold, transferred, or assigned to any
> third party.
>
> Again, RUN YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
>
> I think it is pretty clear that we can use it for business purposes.
> Putting one of the licenses on your child's computer is no doubt illegal.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi John,
>
> You are interpretting the statement differently than I then....
>
> GK
>

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 12:14:59 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:14:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E59@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch
him over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007
look in Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't
pursued it to find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot
is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede
the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 20 12:19:49 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:19:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <20071120182010.CFD4924D6B@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>

Hi Susan,

I am a Registered Partner (lowest level).  It's no charge - I just get some
emails that are sometimes useful.  I've also been able to use my status to
get into two different launch events, and acquire a lot of free software.
Office, Visio, Project, OneNote, Sharepoint, Developer Extensions, etc. 

When I filled in their form, I just filled in the blanks.  They're just
asking for information which shows that you use their products as part of
your business.

Good luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be

part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did 
you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd 
rather not.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
> reasons.

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 20 12:29:46 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:29:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ  A97 vs A2k+
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7424@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Is there a workaround? No. You have to use an API call to get the user ID.
So quit defaulting these fields in your tables and add a tiny bit of code to
the BeforeInsert (for new records) and BeforeUpdate (for edits) events on
your forms.

There's only a very limited list of functions you can use in the default
value property of field in table design view. It was even documented once,
but I'm damned if I can locate it in the Access XP help file. Oh well.

BTW it also makes sense to not allow Environ(). Environ is a risky
proposition because it is quite easy for a user to change an environment
variable, (like "USERNAME") and so potentially bypass 'security'.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+


I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I know about having to
create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)  

I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field (LastUpdtBy) in a
new record in my A97-tables for years.  

I created the function that was recommended and it works in my vb/vba code
portions. It is not working in the table field default.  Gives me the
runtime error # 3388 "unknown function 'Environ'.

Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives, please send a
complete link. I have tried finding something suggested in mails but can't
find them easily.

I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they should have created a
valid totally useable workaround

Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL
Patti
**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Nov 20 12:54:17 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:54:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004501c82ba6$c099ce90$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

I have been looking at what is distributed in the Action Pack and don't see
Windows XP.  Is it still part of the program ?

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 13:07:07 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:07:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <004501c82ba6$c099ce90$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
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No I don't think so. Only Vista comes with it now. It did come with XP
licenses last year but once Vista was officially released, then that
is what comes in Action Pack.

GK

On 11/20/07, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:
> I have been looking at what is distributed in the Action Pack and don't see
> Windows XP.  Is it still part of the program ?
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi Julie
>
> This was discussed in the recent thread:
>
> "Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html
>
> I did take a test:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html
>
> As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
> explains:
>
> Step 4:
>  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
> available.
>  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page.
>
> I guess you just have to trust that statement.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
> Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
> never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?
>
> Julie Reardon
> PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
> 44 Public Square, Suite 5
> Watertown, NY  13601
> Phone:  315.785.0319
> Fax:  315.785.0323
> NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
> NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
> www.pro-soft.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 13:11:44 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <004501c82ba6$c099ce90$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<004501c82ba6$c099ce90$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
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I have the action pack and no, AFAICT it is no longer in the pack.  However
I have heard that if you got it in a previous version and kept the license
current they are allowing you to continue use. 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

I have been looking at what is distributed in the Action Pack and don't see
Windows XP.  Is it still part of the program ?

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Tue Nov 20 13:23:31 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:23:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ  A97 vs A2k+
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Thank you - I had a feeling there might not be a work around 

The table was not being updated in, with or by a form when the error
occurred. 

Wanted to insure I knew the last person at the record.  It was something
that worked fine for 10 years - m$ could have made it read only if
modifying was a problem .  

**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
**************************************************
 

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 01:30 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> 
> Is there a workaround? No. You have to use an API call to get 
> the user ID.
> So quit defaulting these fields in your tables and add a tiny 
> bit of code to the BeforeInsert (for new records) and 
> BeforeUpdate (for edits) events on your forms.
> 
> There's only a very limited list of functions you can use in 
> the default value property of field in table design view. It 
> was even documented once, but I'm damned if I can locate it 
> in the Access XP help file. Oh well.
> 
> BTW it also makes sense to not allow Environ(). Environ is a 
> risky proposition because it is quite easy for a user to 
> change an environment variable, (like "USERNAME") and so 
> potentially bypass 'security'.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> 
> 
> I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I know 
> about having to create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)  
> 
> I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field 
> (LastUpdtBy) in a new record in my A97-tables for years.  
> 
> I created the function that was recommended and it works in 
> my vb/vba code portions. It is not working in the table field 
> default.  Gives me the runtime error # 3388 "unknown function 
> 'Environ'.
> 
> Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives, 
> please send a complete link. I have tried finding something 
> suggested in mails but can't find them easily.
> 
> I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they should 
> have created a valid totally useable workaround
> 
> Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL Patti
> **************************************************
> * Patricia O'Connor
> * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 14:20:24 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:20:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
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It replaces both the database window and also acts as a customizable
navigation window. Think of it like the navigation pane in Outlook. Once you
learn how to customize it, I think it's very cool. I have habitually used
the Switchboard Manager prior to this, and although it took me some time to
figure out exactly how to use the navigation pane, I vastly prefer it.

Arthur

On 11/20/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
> view?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
> pretty
> much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
> window in 2007.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
> on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
> don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
> something new in A2007?
>
> Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
> running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
> code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 14:36:28 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:36:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
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Will this do?

<Code>
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Global Const SW_SHOWNORMAL = 1

Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias "ShellExecuteA"
_
    (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
    ByVal lpOperation As String, _
    ByVal lpFile As String, _
    ByVal lpParameters As String, _
    ByVal lpDirectory As String, _
    ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long

'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Public Function fOSUserName() As String
' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String

   strUserName = String$(254, 0)
   lngLen = 255
   lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
   If lngX <> 0 Then
      fOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
   Else
      fOSUserName = ""
   End If
End Function
</Code>

hth,
Arthur

On 11/20/07, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA) <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
wrote:
>
> Thank you - I had a feeling there might not be a work around
>
> The table was not being updated in, with or by a form when the error
> occurred.
>
> Wanted to insure I knew the last person at the record.  It was something
> that worked fine for 10 years - m$ could have made it read only if
> modifying was a problem .
>
> **************************************************
> * Patricia O'Connor
> * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
> * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> * (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
> **************************************************
>
>
> >
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>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Heenan, Lambert
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 01:30 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> >
> > Is there a workaround? No. You have to use an API call to get
> > the user ID.
> > So quit defaulting these fields in your tables and add a tiny
> > bit of code to the BeforeInsert (for new records) and
> > BeforeUpdate (for edits) events on your forms.
> >
> > There's only a very limited list of functions you can use in
> > the default value property of field in table design view. It
> > was even documented once, but I'm damned if I can locate it
> > in the Access XP help file. Oh well.
> >
> > BTW it also makes sense to not allow Environ(). Environ is a
> > risky proposition because it is quite easy for a user to
> > change an environment variable, (like "USERNAME") and so
> > potentially bypass 'security'.
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:34 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> >
> >
> > I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I know
> > about having to create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)
> >
> > I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field
> > (LastUpdtBy) in a new record in my A97-tables for years.
> >
> > I created the function that was recommended and it works in
> > my vb/vba code portions. It is not working in the table field
> > default.  Gives me the runtime error # 3388 "unknown function
> > 'Environ'.
> >
> > Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives,
> > please send a complete link. I have tried finding something
> > suggested in mails but can't find them easily.
> >
> > I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they should
> > have created a valid totally useable workaround
> >
> > Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL Patti
> > **************************************************
> > * Patricia O'Connor
> > * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> > * OTDA - BDMA
> > * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> > * (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
> > **************************************************
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 21:30:18 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:30:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
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Message-ID: <001201c82bee$d7c371a0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...it's all jc's fault :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>
> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
> only Charlotte is that old :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> famous
>> though.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
> around
>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
>> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
> and go
>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
> tune
>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
>> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted
> file
>>>that
>>> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another
>>> encrypted
>>> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever
> does
>>> take
>>> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is
> that
>>> you
>>> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a
> backup
>>> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is
> exposed.
>>>
>>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an
> encrypted
>>> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is
> encrypted.
>>> The
>>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run
> from
>>> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run
> TrueCrypt,
>>> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to
> have
>>> admin
>>> rights in order to do this.
>>>
>>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>>
>>> Just don't forget your password.
>>>
>>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
>>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you
> are
>>> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>>
>>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
>>> MhAlLhFwWaS
>>> (use alternating upper and lower case)
>>> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
>>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>>> Now throw two special characters in front of that
>>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>>
>>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do
>
>>> that
>>> twice, perhaps
>>>
>>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
>>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>>
>>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>>
>>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together
> are
>>> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have
> it
>>> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song,
>>> whatever
>>> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each
>>> word,
>>> plus numbers and special symbols.
>>>
>>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that
>>> would
>>> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
>>> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
>>> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an
> industrial
>>> strength memorable password.
>>>
>>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi William:
>>>
>>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>>
>>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees
>>> store
>>> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security
>>> threats
>>> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
>>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password
>>> protected.
>>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now
> contain
>>> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>>
>>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do
> things"
>>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined
> in
>>> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing
> data
>>> options, etc.
>>>
>>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am
> trusted
>>> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>>
>>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a
>>> client
>>> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have
> to
>>> take another look at this.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>>
>>>
>>>> John Colby:
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's
> in
>>>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>>
>>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 21:31:29 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:31:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
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...I've learned so much from you :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
> would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>
> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> gerontological
> gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
> before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is 
> that
> old :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> famous
>> though.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
> around
>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
>> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
> and go
>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
> tune
>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>
>> William
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Nov 20 23:26:03 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:56:03 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K & 2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

Code in form's module - A2K7
(Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
========================================
Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
========================================

    The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane can get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007 to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

    Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other object like table or query should be in open state.

    It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object in NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object, it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

    Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is meant for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant for hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in Access 2003).

    It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open state. It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk hiding/ unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in this state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample universal code in form's module - Access 2007
(for hiding / un-hiding NavPane window)
'====================================
' Declarations section
' Comma separated list of form names
' already in hidden state (so that these
' do not get un-hidden along with others)
' Note - This list gets generated automatically
Private HiddenFormsList As String
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdHide_Click()
    ' Hide all open forms & reports so that with
    ' statement (A) focus stays on NavPane even
    ' when no object is on display (e.g. all NavPane
    ' groups are in collapsed state)
    P_HideAllOpenFormsReports
    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True               ' (A)
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
    
    ' Unhide all open forms and reports (other than
    ' forms deliberately kept hidden).
    ' Activate this form
    P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_HideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    HiddenFormsList = ""        ' Default
    ' Hide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            ' Update list of deliberately hidden forms
            If frm.Visible = False Then
                HiddenFormsList = _
                    HiddenFormsList & "," & frm.Name
            End If
            frm.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Hide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    ' UnHide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            If InStr(HiddenFormsList, frm.Name) > 0 Then
            Else
                frm.Visible = True
            End If
        Next
    End If
    
    ' UnHide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = True
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Activate this form
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, Me.Name, False
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:50
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  Dear List:
   
  A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
  on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
  don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
  something new in A2007?
   
  Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
  running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
  code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
   
  MTIA,
   
  Rocky

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 00:51:53 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:51:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
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Yeah, and I'd have to effect it through code since he's developing this
jewel to sell and distribute.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch him
over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007 look in
Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't pursued it to
find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's pretty
much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 00:53:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:53:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
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Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having it
there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both - A2007 and
Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I don't contaminate
a perfectly good working system with all that crap.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

It replaces both the database window and also acts as a customizable
navigation window. Think of it like the navigation pane in Outlook. Once you
learn how to customize it, I think it's very cool. I have habitually used
the Switchboard Manager prior to this, and although it took me some time to
figure out exactly how to use the navigation pane, I vastly prefer it.

Arthur

On 11/20/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in 
> form view?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's 
> pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database 
> window in 2007.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen 
> shot is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
> don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
> something new in A2007?
>
> Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user 
> is running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could 
> precede the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 00:57:41 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:57:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <004d01c82c0b$cf669c90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:

Thank you as usual for this solution.  I have to get A2007 I think to see
for myself what you are referring to by the collapsed state.   

What would the effect of the code be in A2003, though since there is no
navigation pane?

Regards,

Rocky

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Rocky,

    A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named
CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in
Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in
NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K &
2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

Code in form's module - A2K7
(Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
========================================
Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
========================================

    The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in
NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane can
get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution
of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007
to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent
object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active
form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form
itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with
hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

    Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the
NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other
object like table or query should be in open state.

    It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object in
NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank
Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the
group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object,
it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not
already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from
effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves
satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

    Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective
hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all
object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is meant
for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant for
hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in
Access 2003).

    It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open state.
It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk hiding/
unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in this
state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample universal code in form's module - Access 2007 (for hiding / un-hiding
NavPane window) '====================================
' Declarations section
' Comma separated list of form names
' already in hidden state (so that these ' do not get un-hidden along with
others) ' Note - This list gets generated automatically Private
HiddenFormsList As String
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdHide_Click()
    ' Hide all open forms & reports so that with
    ' statement (A) focus stays on NavPane even
    ' when no object is on display (e.g. all NavPane
    ' groups are in collapsed state)
    P_HideAllOpenFormsReports
    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True               ' (A)
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
    
    ' Unhide all open forms and reports (other than
    ' forms deliberately kept hidden).
    ' Activate this form
    P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_HideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    HiddenFormsList = ""        ' Default
    ' Hide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            ' Update list of deliberately hidden forms
            If frm.Visible = False Then
                HiddenFormsList = _
                    HiddenFormsList & "," & frm.Name
            End If
            frm.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Hide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    ' UnHide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            If InStr(HiddenFormsList, frm.Name) > 0 Then
            Else
                frm.Visible = True
            End If
        Next
    End If
    
    ' UnHide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = True
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Activate this form
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, Me.Name, False
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:50
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  Dear List:
   
  A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
  on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
  don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
  something new in A2007?
   
  Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
  running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
  code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
   
  MTIA,
   
  Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 06:44:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:44:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <004c01c82c0b$4be39e90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711201220q2a34c953lac23792bab40e3aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<004c01c82c0b$4be39e90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <007e01c82c3c$514b04f0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

VIRTUAL MACHINE! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having it
there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both - A2007 and
Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I don't contaminate
a perfectly good working system with all that crap.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

It replaces both the database window and also acts as a customizable
navigation window. Think of it like the navigation pane in Outlook. Once you
learn how to customize it, I think it's very cool. I have habitually used
the Switchboard Manager prior to this, and although it took me some time to
figure out exactly how to use the navigation pane, I vastly prefer it.

Arthur

On 11/20/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in 
> form view?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's 
> pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database 
> window in 2007.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen 
> shot is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear 
> through
code.  I
> don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
> something new in A2007?
>
> Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user 
> is running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could 
> precede the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 06:46:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:46:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <007f01c82c3c$9253bb40$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick or two
from me as well.

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...I've learned so much from you :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
> would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>
> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> gerontological
> gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
> before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is 
> that
> old :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> famous
>> though.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
> around
>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
>> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
> and go
>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
> tune
>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>
>> William
>
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 21 06:46:17 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:16:17 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$c
	e59a27a@personalec1122> <004d01c82c0b$cf669c90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003a01c82c3c$a4166490$3d57a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    It works equally well in A2K & A2K3, where it acts upon the database window (Hide or Show as required). In fact the process becomes much simpler as unlike A2K7, it is no longer necessary to temporarily hide the forms / reports.

    Sample code for hiding / showing db window in A2K / A2K3 is given below.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Code in form's module - A2K & A2K3
(For Hiding and displaying database window)
========================================
Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
    ' Make db window the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    ' Show db window
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
========================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:27
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  A.D.:

  Thank you as usual for this solution.  I have to get A2007 I think to see
  for myself what you are referring to by the collapsed state.   

  What would the effect of the code be in A2003, though since there is no
  navigation pane?

  Regards,

  Rocky  

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Nov 21 08:37:43 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:37:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>

Hi Susan,

I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines 
Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I 
am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply 
the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper 
than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I 
file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.  
That's it!

So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your 
"organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.

Kind regards,
Tina

Susan Harkins wrote:
> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be 
> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did 
> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd 
> rather not.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>   
>> Susan,
>>
>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
>> reasons.
>>     
>
>   


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Nov 21 08:40:16 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:40:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <007e01c82c3c$514b04f0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004101c8
	2b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711201220q2a34c953lac23792bab40e3aa@mail.gmail.com><004c01c82c0b$4be39e90$0301a8c0@HAL
	9005> <007e01c82c3c$514b04f0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <47444350.4030407@torchlake.com>

One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine 
concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of 
needing more than one box.
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> VIRTUAL MACHINE! 
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having it
> there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both - A2007 and
> Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I don't contaminate
> a perfectly good working system with all that crap.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> It replaces both the database window and also acts as a customizable
> navigation window. Think of it like the navigation pane in Outlook. Once you
> learn how to customize it, I think it's very cool. I have habitually used
> the Switchboard Manager prior to this, and although it took me some time to
> figure out exactly how to use the navigation pane, I vastly prefer it.
>
> Arthur
>
> On 11/20/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>   
>> Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in 
>> form view?
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>> Foust
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>>
>> If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's 
>> pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database 
>> window in 2007.
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin at Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen 
>> shot is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear 
>> through
>>     
> code.  I
>   
>> don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
>> something new in A2007?
>>
>> Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user 
>> is running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could 
>> precede the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
>>
>> MTIA,
>>
>> Rocky
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Nov 21 08:33:47 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:33:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
In-Reply-To: <002e01c82b9a$d3c83350$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C9D8@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

So you probably installed your current OS with the 'old drives' online,
so Windows wrote the MBR to those drives.

Hmmm, I'd say the fastest way to fix this would be to run the repair
from the Windows 2003 CD.  Put it in.  See if it finds your existing OS.
Let it run the repair options. (Do this with the old drives out).  If it
still won't boot, don't panic, there is a 'hidden' repair option that
most people don't use.  Boot to the CD again, this time, tell it to
install the OS.  Go past the F8 licensing thing..... it will scan for
existing OSes before it installs the new one.  If it finds the OS on
your existing RAID controller, use the repair option at this step, and
it should do the trick.  This repair option literally reinstalls the OS,
while leaving the partition and installed software alone.  Had an
'imaged' system I was trying to restore in Virtual PC, wouldn't boot,
kept hanging.  Normal 'repair' options did nothing. Ran this repair
method, and about 30 minutes later, it was up and running.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable

Michael,

I am not sure I understand.  I have a system with the OS itself on a
raid
drive, running on a dedicated raid controller card.  That works exactly
as
expected and I like it - raid 6 protection etc.  I also have a pair of
older
drives which probably (the details are hazy now) had the OS on them
originally, which run off of the raid controller on the motherboard.
These
two disks form a raid 1 array (mirrored) with nothing visible on it, and
yes
I have told windows explorer to show system and hidden files.  However
if I
disconnect these two older drives from the motherboard (remove power or
remove the SATA connector) windows does not boot.  

IIRC there is a master boot record that is written to a drive that is
where
windows goes for the very first "bootstrap" code.  It then tells windows
where the rest of the OS is located.  I thought there was a "sys"
command
(in the old days anyway) that would write this master boot record and
perhaps a couple of other files to a hard disk and that you could just
"sys"
a drive to make it the drive with that MBR stuff.  If I can do that to
the
C: drive on the Areca dedicated raid card then I could boot directly off
of
that C: drive and get rid of these two older drives.  If they ever fail
I am
doomed.  Yea they are raid one but I do NOT want to be trying to rebuild
a
mirror just for some hidden MBR that should have been moved long ago.

Unfortunately I do not know as much about that stuff as I once did and
have
so far been unable to discover how to change from "booting" off these
older
drives to booting off the new.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 08:49:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:49:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <008901c82c4d$b2fe66e0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Tina,

To be honest, I don't remember how much it was, I just remembered thinking
"that's cheap".  Just a few bucks so to speak.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Susan,

I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines
Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I am
also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply the
commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper than
John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I file a
Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.  
That's it!

So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your
"organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.

Kind regards,
Tina

Susan Harkins wrote:
> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you 
> must be part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are 
> partners? How did you fill in the organization holes? I could make 
> something up, but I'd rather not.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>   
>> Susan,
>>
>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an 
>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for 
>> various reasons.
>>     
>
>   
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Nov 21 08:50:51 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:50:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <007e01c82c3c$514b04f0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C9E3@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I feel the world beginning to shift.  I'm in complete agreement with you
JWC!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

VIRTUAL MACHINE! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having
it
there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both - A2007
and
Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I don't
contaminate
a perfectly good working system with all that crap.

Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 08:55:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:55:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C9D8@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <002e01c82b9a$d3c83350$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C9D8@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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I tried that.  It did not offer to repair an existing OS install.  It did
find the drive (I have a slipstream disk with the raid drivers on it) and
asked if I wanted to format it etc, but when I answered no it started a new
install.  When it was done, there was an entire NEW copy of Windows 2003 in
it's own directory, but even that wouldn't boot without the old drives or
the slipstream CD disk in.  And yes, I disconnected the old drives before
doing the new install.

I hooked up the old drives and can get back to my original 2003 install (it
gives me a boot menu).  PITA really!  I ended up just giving up (real work
to do).  Will go back there someday.  Sigh.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable

So you probably installed your current OS with the 'old drives' online, so
Windows wrote the MBR to those drives.

Hmmm, I'd say the fastest way to fix this would be to run the repair from
the Windows 2003 CD.  Put it in.  See if it finds your existing OS.
Let it run the repair options. (Do this with the old drives out).  If it
still won't boot, don't panic, there is a 'hidden' repair option that most
people don't use.  Boot to the CD again, this time, tell it to install the
OS.  Go past the F8 licensing thing..... it will scan for existing OSes
before it installs the new one.  If it finds the OS on your existing RAID
controller, use the repair option at this step, and it should do the trick.
This repair option literally reinstalls the OS, while leaving the partition
and installed software alone.  Had an 'imaged' system I was trying to
restore in Virtual PC, wouldn't boot, kept hanging.  Normal 'repair' options
did nothing. Ran this repair method, and about 30 minutes later, it was up
and running.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable

Michael,

I am not sure I understand.  I have a system with the OS itself on a raid
drive, running on a dedicated raid controller card.  That works exactly as
expected and I like it - raid 6 protection etc.  I also have a pair of older
drives which probably (the details are hazy now) had the OS on them
originally, which run off of the raid controller on the motherboard.
These
two disks form a raid 1 array (mirrored) with nothing visible on it, and yes
I have told windows explorer to show system and hidden files.  However if I
disconnect these two older drives from the motherboard (remove power or
remove the SATA connector) windows does not boot.  

IIRC there is a master boot record that is written to a drive that is where
windows goes for the very first "bootstrap" code.  It then tells windows
where the rest of the OS is located.  I thought there was a "sys"
command
(in the old days anyway) that would write this master boot record and
perhaps a couple of other files to a hard disk and that you could just "sys"
a drive to make it the drive with that MBR stuff.  If I can do that to the
C: drive on the Areca dedicated raid card then I could boot directly off of
that C: drive and get rid of these two older drives.  If they ever fail I am
doomed.  Yea they are raid one but I do NOT want to be trying to rebuild a
mirror just for some hidden MBR that should have been moved long ago.

Unfortunately I do not know as much about that stuff as I once did and have
so far been unable to discover how to change from "booting" off these older
drives to booting off the new.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 08:52:36 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:52:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711201220q2a34c953lac23792bab40e3aa@mail.gmail.com><004c01c82c0b$4be39e90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Message-ID: <00d001c82c4e$29329070$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Count me in on that Tina. I need to maintain two or three different versions 
of everything for articles and Outlook is throws a monkey wrench into that. 
Right now, Outlook 2003 is totally hosed and I have no idea why. It opens, 
the interface is there, but I can't do anything. I also have a very old 
virus in my startup file, which I keep under control by not enabling System 
Restore. I really need to reformat and start over and when I do, I plan a 
virtual machine for 2003 and 2007. The problem is finding the time to backup 
the hard drive and actually plow through it. Nobody's going to pay me to do 
that... ;)

I set aside time in July, and we moved instead. So, now I'm looking ahead to 
the Christmas holidays. Crossing my fingers...

Susan H.


> One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine
> concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of
> needing more than one box.
> Tina



From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Nov 21 09:05:54 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:05:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
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Arthur
I will give this a try
Thank you 
Patti
**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 03:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> 
> Will this do?
> 
> <Code>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Global Const SW_SHOWNORMAL = 1
> 
> Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias 
> "ShellExecuteA"
> _
>     (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
>     ByVal lpOperation As String, _
>     ByVal lpFile As String, _
>     ByVal lpParameters As String, _
>     ByVal lpDirectory As String, _
>     ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long
> 
> 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of 
> an application.
> 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the 
> copyright notice is left unchanged.
> 'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish
> Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
>     "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long
> 
> Public Function fOSUserName() As String
> ' Returns the network login name
> Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> Dim strUserName As String
> 
>    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
>    lngLen = 255
>    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
>    If lngX <> 0 Then
>       fOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
>    Else
>       fOSUserName = ""
>    End If
> End Function
> </Code>
> 
> hth,
> Arthur
> 
> On 11/20/07, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA) 
> <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you - I had a feeling there might not be a work around
> >
> > The table was not being updated in, with or by a form when 
> the error 
> > occurred.
> >
> > Wanted to insure I knew the last person at the record.  It was 
> > something that worked fine for 10 years - m$ could have 
> made it read 
> > only if modifying was a problem .
> >
> > **************************************************
> > * Patricia O'Connor
> > * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> > * OTDA - BDMA
> > * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> > * (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
> > **************************************************
> >
> >
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> >
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Heenan, 
> > > Lambert
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 01:30 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs 
> > > A2k+
> > >
> > > Is there a workaround? No. You have to use an API call to get the 
> > > user ID.
> > > So quit defaulting these fields in your tables and add a 
> tiny bit of 
> > > code to the BeforeInsert (for new records) and BeforeUpdate (for 
> > > edits) events on your forms.
> > >
> > > There's only a very limited list of functions you can use in the 
> > > default value property of field in table design view. It was even 
> > > documented once, but I'm damned if I can locate it in the 
> Access XP 
> > > help file. Oh well.
> > >
> > > BTW it also makes sense to not allow Environ(). Environ 
> is a risky 
> > > proposition because it is quite easy for a user to change an 
> > > environment variable, (like "USERNAME") and so potentially bypass 
> > > 'security'.
> > >
> > > Lambert
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of O'Connor, 
> > > Patricia (OTDA)
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:34 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> > >
> > >
> > > I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I 
> know about 
> > > having to create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)
> > >
> > > I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field
> > > (LastUpdtBy) in a new record in my A97-tables for years.
> > >
> > > I created the function that was recommended and it works in my 
> > > vb/vba code portions. It is not working in the table 
> field default.  
> > > Gives me the runtime error # 3388 "unknown function 'Environ'.
> > >
> > > Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives, 
> please send 
> > > a complete link. I have tried finding something suggested 
> in mails 
> > > but can't find them easily.
> > >
> > > I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they 
> should have 
> > > created a valid totally useable workaround
> > >
> > > Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL Patti
> > > **************************************************
> > > * Patricia O'Connor
> > > * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> > > * OTDA - BDMA
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 21 09:21:45 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:21:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
Message-ID: <s7445b37.007@cactus.dk>

Hi Tina

Don't hesitate. We haven't worked that much with Microsoft's implementation or Xen (now bought by Citrix) but has focussed on the free VMware Server:

http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

It's a marvellous product and we (me and my colleagues) recommend it highly. All server installations we have carried out for the last six months have been on virtual machines and all future will except for some special situations (like old hardware with limited ram).
The negative part is that a virtual server runs about 10-15% slower than a clean physical installation on identical hardware, and that ram in a virtual server is limited to 3.6 GB for the free version. Everything else are pluses:

 - zero cost
 - runs on all decent hardware
 - host OS can be Windows (Server preferred) or Linux
 - remote control of the virtual servers including rebooting.
 - backup of a _complete_ virtual server to one single file is a snap. So is restore(!)
 - configuration of a server can be done on any decent hardware, then moved to the client's brand new hardware.
 - thus, extremely fast replacement of broken down hardware.

Virtual servers are about to revolutionize server installations and in a few years it will be the default method except for some rare cases.
If you prefer not to use Linux as the host OS, you can use an AMD 64 bit server which typically supports 8 GB ram or more and install the 64 bit Windows Server from the Action Pack you have wondered what to use for.

/gustav

>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 21-11-2007 15:40 >>>
One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine 
concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of 
needing more than one box.
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> VIRTUAL MACHINE! 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 09:38:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:38:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
In-Reply-To: <s7445b37.007@cactus.dk>
References: <s7445b37.007@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <009501c82c54$95c3a0c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

The one thing I would add is that it also uses a virtual video device which
has poor capabilities, so NO GAMING.  

8-( 

It took me awhile to figure that out.  It does NOT use the actual installed
hardware, i.e. you cannot set the drivers for your actual hardware and so it
simply does not have the capabilities to run one of the modern games, and
there is just no way to make it do so.  I think it will run the old stuff
like pong or Tetris.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

Hi Tina

Don't hesitate. We haven't worked that much with Microsoft's implementation
or Xen (now bought by Citrix) but has focussed on the free VMware Server:

http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

It's a marvellous product and we (me and my colleagues) recommend it highly.
All server installations we have carried out for the last six months have
been on virtual machines and all future will except for some special
situations (like old hardware with limited ram).
The negative part is that a virtual server runs about 10-15% slower than a
clean physical installation on identical hardware, and that ram in a virtual
server is limited to 3.6 GB for the free version. Everything else are
pluses:

 - zero cost
 - runs on all decent hardware
 - host OS can be Windows (Server preferred) or Linux
 - remote control of the virtual servers including rebooting.
 - backup of a _complete_ virtual server to one single file is a snap. So is
restore(!)
 - configuration of a server can be done on any decent hardware, then moved
to the client's brand new hardware.
 - thus, extremely fast replacement of broken down hardware.

Virtual servers are about to revolutionize server installations and in a few
years it will be the default method except for some rare cases.
If you prefer not to use Linux as the host OS, you can use an AMD 64 bit
server which typically supports 8 GB ram or more and install the 64 bit
Windows Server from the Action Pack you have wondered what to use for.

/gustav

>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 21-11-2007 15:40 >>>
One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine
concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of needing
more than one box.
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> VIRTUAL MACHINE! 



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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov 21 10:05:59 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:05:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
In-Reply-To: <009501c82c54$95c3a0c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <s7445b37.007@cactus.dk> <009501c82c54$95c3a0c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003401c82c58$687b3bb0$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  This is one of the major drawbacks with virtualizing that I've found.
Your limited to VGA resolution (640x480) if you connect to the console.
It's a royal pain when you work with it.

  One workaround for that is if you don't need the console, you can RDP in. 

  Still doesn't help with the games though ;)

Jim

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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

The one thing I would add is that it also uses a virtual video device which
has poor capabilities, so NO GAMING.  

8-( 

It took me awhile to figure that out.  It does NOT use the actual installed
hardware, i.e. you cannot set the drivers for your actual hardware and so it
simply does not have the capabilities to run one of the modern games, and
there is just no way to make it do so.  I think it will run the old stuff
like pong or Tetris.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

Hi Tina

Don't hesitate. We haven't worked that much with Microsoft's implementation
or Xen (now bought by Citrix) but has focussed on the free VMware Server:

http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

It's a marvellous product and we (me and my colleagues) recommend it highly.
All server installations we have carried out for the last six months have
been on virtual machines and all future will except for some special
situations (like old hardware with limited ram).
The negative part is that a virtual server runs about 10-15% slower than a
clean physical installation on identical hardware, and that ram in a virtual
server is limited to 3.6 GB for the free version. Everything else are
pluses:

 - zero cost
 - runs on all decent hardware
 - host OS can be Windows (Server preferred) or Linux
 - remote control of the virtual servers including rebooting.
 - backup of a _complete_ virtual server to one single file is a snap. So is
restore(!)
 - configuration of a server can be done on any decent hardware, then moved
to the client's brand new hardware.
 - thus, extremely fast replacement of broken down hardware.

Virtual servers are about to revolutionize server installations and in a few
years it will be the default method except for some rare cases.
If you prefer not to use Linux as the host OS, you can use an AMD 64 bit
server which typically supports 8 GB ram or more and install the 64 bit
Windows Server from the Action Pack you have wondered what to use for.

/gustav

>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 21-11-2007 15:40 >>>
One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine
concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of needing
more than one box.
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> VIRTUAL MACHINE! 



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 21 10:15:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:15:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
Message-ID: <s74467a6.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Seems like you have missed something! Just mark View, Autofit Window:

On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences. 

Autofit Preferences 
Use Autofit preferences to control how the console behaves when Autofit is active. Select Autofit window to have VMware Server change the console window size to match the guest operating system screen resolution. This is the same as choosing View > Autofit Window. Select Autofit guest to have VMware Server change the guest operating system display resolution to match the console window size. This is the same as choosing View > Autofit Guest. 

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 21-11-2007 17:05 >>>
John,

  This is one of the major drawbacks with virtualizing that I've found.
Your limited to VGA resolution (640x480) if you connect to the console.
It's a royal pain when you work with it.

  One workaround for that is if you don't need the console, you can RDP in. 





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:15:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:15:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <007f01c82c3c$9253bb40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
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Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E64@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick or
two from me as well.

;-)

John W. Colby
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...I've learned so much from you :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that 
>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>
> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+

> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,

> only Charlotte is that old :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> famous
>> though.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
> around
>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because 
>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, 
>> sync,
> and go
>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
> tune
>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>
>> William
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:16:58 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:16:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <004b01c82c0a$fffa0690$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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*He's* developing it?  Then what are you doing, hanging the curtains?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yeah, and I'd have to effect it through code since he's developing this
jewel to sell and distribute.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch
him over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007
look in Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't
pursued it to find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot
is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede
the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:19:54 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:19:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C9E3@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <007e01c82c3c$514b04f0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
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Quick, everyone grab something solid!  The earthquake should being any
minute now! LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

I feel the world beginning to shift.  I'm in complete agreement with you
JWC!

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

VIRTUAL MACHINE! 


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having
it there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both -
A2007 and Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I
don't contaminate a perfectly good working system with all that crap.

Rocky
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:22:28 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:22:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<007f01c82c3c$9253bb40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000701c82c5a$b5ffd420$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...lol ...ladies first! :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick or 
> two
> from me as well.
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...I've learned so much from you :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
>> would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>> Foust
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>>
>> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
>> gerontological
>> gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
>> before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is
>> that
>> old :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
>> famous
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>>
>>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
>> around
>>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
>>> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
>> and go
>>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
>> tune
>>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>>
>>> William
>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:29:18 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:29:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><007f01c82c3c$9253bb40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
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...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older man would you? 
:)

...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze ...you 
can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms and banana trees 
...among the orchids.

William

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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick or
> two from me as well.
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...I've learned so much from you :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that
>>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>> Foust
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>>
>> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
>> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
>
>> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
>
>> only Charlotte is that old :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
>> famous
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>>
>>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
>> around
>>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because
>>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on,
>>> sync,
>> and go
>>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
>> tune
>>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>>
>>> William
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 10:34:09 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:34:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E65@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Um...correction, I'm programming and providing design advice on forms and
reports, and the major design features that he hadn't considered, like
licensing, manual, consistency, etc.  But it's his idea and specification of
features and functions - I don't know squat about the patent and trademark
process.  So I guess I think of him as the developer and me as the hired
gun.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

*He's* developing it?  Then what are you doing, hanging the curtains?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yeah, and I'd have to effect it through code since he's developing this
jewel to sell and distribute.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch him
over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007 look in
Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't pursued it to
find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's pretty
much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:39:31 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:39:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
In-Reply-To: <000b01c82c5b$ab731070$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
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How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you keep on
about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I may not need any
other encouragement to come after you! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older man would
you? 
:)

...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze
...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms and banana
trees ...among the orchids.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick
or
> two from me as well.
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...I've learned so much from you :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that
>>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>> Foust
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>>
>> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
>> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like
80+
>
>> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
which,
>
>> only Charlotte is that old :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
>> famous
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>>
>>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
>> around
>>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because
>>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on,
>>> sync,
>> and go
>>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
>> tune
>>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>>
>>> William
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:41:08 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:41:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <003701c82c5c$578de6f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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LOL!  Cue the Sergio Leone music!

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Um...correction, I'm programming and providing design advice on forms
and reports, and the major design features that he hadn't considered,
like licensing, manual, consistency, etc.  But it's his idea and
specification of features and functions - I don't know squat about the
patent and trademark process.  So I guess I think of him as the
developer and me as the hired
gun.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

*He's* developing it?  Then what are you doing, hanging the curtains?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yeah, and I'd have to effect it through code since he's developing this
jewel to sell and distribute.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch
him over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007
look in Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't
pursued it to find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot
is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede
the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Nov 21 11:16:42 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:16:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <20071121171707.7B5DE1CE58@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>

I sure do forget the obvious things!

My company is ProMation Systems, Inc. 

And I am also a single person company.  ProMation Systems is a subchapter S
corporation in Minnesota.  I did this partly for marketing and partly for
liability.  Minnesota didn't allow the option to set up my company as a
Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) 5 years ago, but that's what I would do
today.

Good Luck Susan,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Susan,

I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines 
Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I 
am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply 
the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper 
than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I 
file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.  
That's it!

So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your 
"organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.

Kind regards,
Tina

Susan Harkins wrote:
> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must
be 
> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How
did 
> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd 
> rather not.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>   
>> Susan,
>>
>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
>> reasons.
>>     
>
>   
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 11:56:07 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:56:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
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OH MY GOSH!!!!!

It won't let me use Firefox to sign up! Fools...

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
>
> I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines
> Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I
> am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply
> the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper
> than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I
> file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.
> That's it!
>
> So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your
> "organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must 
>> be
>> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How 
>> did
>> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
>> rather not.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Susan,
>>>
>>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
>>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 12:21:39 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:21:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, I can't sign up. I don't have a web site. It would not accept my 
account without a url. What a hoot -- a waste of my time today. These folks 
just think too well of themselves if you ask me.

Susan H.

>
> I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines
> Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I
> am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply
> the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper
> than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I
> file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.
> That's it!
>
> So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your
> "organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must 
>> be
>> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How 
>> did
>> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
>> rather not.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Susan,
>>>
>>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
>>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 12:33:18 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:33:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
	<00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com>

It just wants something. I put in www.comcast.net I beleive.

On 11/21/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I can't sign up. I don't have a web site. It would not accept my
> account without a url. What a hoot -- a waste of my time today. These folks
> just think too well of themselves if you ask me.
>
> Susan H.
>
> >
> > I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines
> > Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I
> > am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply
> > the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper
> > than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I
> > file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.
> > That's it!
> >
> > So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your
> > "organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Tina
> >
> > Susan Harkins wrote:
> >> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must
> >> be
> >> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How
> >> did
> >> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
> >> rather not.
> >>
> >> Susan H.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Susan,
> >>>
> >>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
> >>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
> >>> reasons.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 12:40:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:40:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00b201c82c67$cc678890$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
	<00b201c82c67$cc678890$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00a001c82c6d$f840e8c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  Yea, MS just HATES FireFox and does whatever they can to break it.  I
think they have a special "break Firefox goon squad" locked away in a little
room just searching for incompatibilities night and day. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

OH MY GOSH!!!!!

It won't let me use Firefox to sign up! Fools...

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
>
> I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall 
> Pines Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny 
> company.  I am also all the functions of the company, because Tall 
> Pines is simply the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the 
> county was cheaper than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed 
> every three years. I file a Schedule C for the business with my annual
income tax return.
> That's it!
>
> So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your 
> "organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you 
>> must be part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are 
>> partners? How did you fill in the organization holes? I could make 
>> something up, but I'd rather not.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Susan,
>>>
>>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an 
>>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for 
>>> various reasons.
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 12:42:25 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:42:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com><00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c82c6e$43112180$6c7aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL, that is too good.  You should have put in some porn site that would
have infected their computers with nasties when they clicked on it to test
that it was valid. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

It just wants something. I put in www.comcast.net I beleive.

On 11/21/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I can't sign up. I don't have a web site. It would not accept my 
> account without a url. What a hoot -- a waste of my time today. These 
> folks just think too well of themselves if you ask me.
>
> Susan H.



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 21 12:42:17 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:42:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E6A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <012101c82c6e$3f0906c0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Enough already. What started as a Friday OT has staggered on to Wednesday
and that's probably enough. Please go OT if you want to carry this on.
Thanks.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 21 November 2007 16:40
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was 
> offsite backup)
> 
> 
> How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you 
> keep on about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I 
> may not need any other encouragement to come after you! LOL
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> 
> ...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older 
> man would you? 
> :)
> 
> ...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle 
> breeze ...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the 
> palms and banana trees ...among the orchids.
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> 
> 
> > Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> > Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have 
> learned a trick
> or
> > two from me as well.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> > ...I've learned so much from you :)
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> >
> >>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age... 
>  And that 
> >>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
> >>
> >>
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte 
> >> Foust
> >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
> >>
> >> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> >> Hindman
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> >> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like
> 80+
> >
> >> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
> which,
> >
> >> only Charlotte is that old :)
> >>
> >> William
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >>
> >>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> >>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> >> famous
> >>> though.
> >>>
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> >> Hindman
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>>
> >>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it 
> on a chain
> >> around
> >>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because 
> >>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it 
> in, log-on, 
> >>> sync,
> >> and go
> >>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based 
> on an Elvis
> >> tune
> >>> ...shows my age, it does :)
> >>>
> >>> William
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 12:54:39 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:54:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
In-Reply-To: <012101c82c6e$3f0906c0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E6A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<012101c82c6e$3f0906c0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00a201c82c6f$f88bc280$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Andy,

In the US this is the new Friday (for this week - Thanksgiving long weekend)



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)

Enough already. What started as a Friday OT has staggered on to Wednesday
and that's probably enough. Please go OT if you want to carry this on.
Thanks.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: 21 November 2007 16:40
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite 
> backup)
> 
> 
> How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you keep on 
> about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I may not need any 
> other encouragement to come after you! LOL
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> 
> ...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older man would 
> you?
> :)
> 
> ...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze 
> ...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms and banana 
> trees ...among the orchids.
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> 
> 
> > Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> > Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have
> learned a trick
> or
> > two from me as well.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> > ...I've learned so much from you :)
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> >
> >>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age... 
>  And that
> >>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
> >>
> >>
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte
> >> Foust
> >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
> >>
> >> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> >> Hindman
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> >> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like
> 80+
> >
> >> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
> which,
> >
> >> only Charlotte is that old :)
> >>
> >> William
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >>
> >>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> >>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> >> famous
> >>> though.
> >>>
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> >> Hindman
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>>
> >>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it
> on a chain
> >> around
> >>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because 
> >>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it
> in, log-on,
> >>> sync,
> >> and go
> >>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based
> on an Elvis
> >> tune
> >>> ...shows my age, it does :)
> >>>
> >>> William
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 13:09:11 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:09:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com><00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010501c82c72$070d1190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, I really didn't think about doing something like that. I'm surprised 
they'll take anything, when they're forcing  a value -- that seems terribly 
inefficient.

Susan H.


> It just wants something. I put in www.comcast.net I beleive.



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 13:18:59 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:18:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E6A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><012101c82c6e$3f0906c0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
	<00a201c82c6f$f88bc280$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003301c82c73$5f042ef0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...sssshhhhh! ...don't tell Charlotte, eh ...Andy got me off the hook, he 
did :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)


> Andy,
>
> In the US this is the new Friday (for this week - Thanksgiving long 
> weekend)
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
>
> Enough already. What started as a Friday OT has staggered on to Wednesday
> and that's probably enough. Please go OT if you want to carry this on.
> Thanks.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>> Foust
>> Sent: 21 November 2007 16:40
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite
>> backup)
>>
>>
>> How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you keep on
>> about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I may not need any
>> other encouragement to come after you! LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> ...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older man would
>> you?
>> :)
>>
>> ...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze
>> ...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms and banana
>> trees ...among the orchids.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>> > Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
>> >
>> > Charlotte Foust
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
>> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >
>> > Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have
>> learned a trick
>> or
>> > two from me as well.
>> >
>> > ;-)
>> >
>> > John W. Colby
>> > Colby Consulting
>> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> > Hindman
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >
>> > ...I've learned so much from you :)
>> >
>> > William
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >
>> >
>> >>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...
>>  And that
>> >>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John W. Colby
>> >> Colby Consulting
>> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Charlotte
>> >> Foust
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
>> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >>
>> >> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>> >>
>> >> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> >> Hindman
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
>> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >>
>> >> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
>> >> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like
>> 80+
>> >
>> >> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
>> which,
>> >
>> >> only Charlotte is that old :)
>> >>
>> >> William
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> >>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
>> >> famous
>> >>> though.
>> >>>
>> >>> Max
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> >> Hindman
>> >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >>>
>> >>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it
>> on a chain
>> >> around
>> >>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because
>> >>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it
>> in, log-on,
>> >>> sync,
>> >> and go
>> >>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based
>> on an Elvis
>> >> tune
>> >>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>> >>>
>> >>> William
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 




From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 13:25:43 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:25:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <010501c82c72$070d1190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
	<00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com>
	<010501c82c72$070d1190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711211125h715f00fbled080571ee991636@mail.gmail.com>

You could try putting "NONE" in there too.  Might just be looking for
a non-blank value.  Yes, it's dumb that it requires it, but you have
to give it what it wants.

On my companies website we have literally hundreds of thousands of
customers with things like "None" or "No E-MAIL" or "I don't have
e-mail" in the e-mail address field. We evidently were requiring
customers to enter something in there. I have had to do a lot of
filters over the years to weed out that kind of crud.

On 11/21/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I really didn't think about doing something like that. I'm surprised
> they'll take anything, when they're forcing  a value -- that seems terribly
> inefficient.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > It just wants something. I put in www.comcast.net I beleive.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 13:43:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:43:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com><00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com><010501c82c72$070d1190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711211125h715f00fbled080571ee991636@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c82c76$c1682490$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



> You could try putting "NONE" in there too.  Might just be looking for
> a non-blank value.  Yes, it's dumb that it requires it, but you have
> to give it what it wants.

=====Tried that. 

Susan H. 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 21 13:54:10 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:54:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
In-Reply-To: <00a201c82c6f$f88bc280$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <013401c82c78$48efec80$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Don't rub it in - work as usual for the rest of us. Happy Thanksgiving
anyway.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 21 November 2007 18:55
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was 
> offsite backup)
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> In the US this is the new Friday (for this week - 
> Thanksgiving long weekend)
> 
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was 
> offsite backup)
> 
> Enough already. What started as a Friday OT has staggered on 
> to Wednesday and that's probably enough. Please go OT if you 
> want to carry this on. Thanks.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: 21 November 2007 16:40
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite 
> > backup)
> > 
> > 
> > How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you keep on
> > about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I may 
> not need any 
> > other encouragement to come after you! LOL
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > 
> > ...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a 
> older man would
> > you?
> > :)
> > 
> > ...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze
> > ...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms 
> and banana 
> > trees ...among the orchids.
> > 
> > William
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > 
> > 
> > > Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >
> > > Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have
> > learned a trick
> > or
> > > two from me as well.
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > Colby Consulting
> > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> > > Hindman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >
> > > ...I've learned so much from you :)
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >
> > >
> > >>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...
> >  And that
> > >>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> John W. Colby
> > >> Colby Consulting
> > >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Charlotte
> > >> Foust
> > >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >>
> > >> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
> > >>
> > >> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of William
> > >> Hindman
> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >>
> > >> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
> > >> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you 
> something like
> > 80+
> > >
> > >> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
> > which,
> > >
> > >> only Charlotte is that old :)
> > >>
> > >> William
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> > >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> > >>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from 
> Minnesota)- world
> > >> famous
> > >>> though.
> > >>>
> > >>> Max
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of William
> > >> Hindman
> > >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> > >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >>>
> > >>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it
> > on a chain
> > >> around
> > >>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices 
> anymore because
> > >>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it
> > in, log-on,
> > >>> sync,
> > >> and go
> > >>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based
> > on an Elvis
> > >> tune
> > >>> ...shows my age, it does :)
> > >>>
> > >>> William
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> > --
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Nov 21 14:17:33 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:17:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <000401c82c76$c1682490$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <20071121201759.436A61CD57@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>

How about www.databaseadvisors.com ?

It is where you work!!!  ;-)

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers



> You could try putting "NONE" in there too.  Might just be looking for
> a non-blank value.  Yes, it's dumb that it requires it, but you have
> to give it what it wants.

=====Tried that. 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 15:04:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:04:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005
Message-ID: <00b401c82c82$29e9d4e0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have a lot of queries where I have to look for multiple values.  I have
been using an IN() clause but I am advised that is very slow.  OTOH I built
two queries that use an IN() in one query and a bunch of ORs in the other
and over a 56 million record table they were both so fast I couldn't see the
difference (Indexed column, containing values 1-9 and A-T (under 2 sec)

Any comments?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 15:07:06 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:07:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <20071121201759.436A61CD57@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c82c82$7ba30130$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, I hadn't thought about that either. :) 

Susan H. 

> How about www.databaseadvisors.com ?
> 
> It is where you work!!!  ;-)



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 15:13:52 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:13:52 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <008301c82945$db6d1320$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
UK news site.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 16:53:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:53:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <008301c82945$db6d1320$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <00bb01c82c91$6257f230$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Max,

The problem is rampant.  In the US it is another case every week.  Laptops
stolen, backups lost on the way to the archive, unencrypted data on servers.
This stuff isn't rocket science, I mean if I can do it anyone can. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
UK news site.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 16:58:00 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:58:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <008301c82945$db6d1320$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <00b001c82c91$f74a4960$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Heard that on the news today.  Apparently big embarrassment for the
government.  Big enough to bring it down?  Any evidence yet that the data's
been used? 

Rocky'



 	
	

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max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 17:10:06 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:10:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c82c91$6257f230$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009c01c82c93$a952ce10$8119fea9@LTVM>

Indeed! It is easy and there are so many tools available - free if our
Government is strapped for cash!

But this represents HALF of our population.
It now comes out that "It was too costly to separate the required/requested
information" (Names and Insurance Nos.) so Her Majesty's Inspector of Taxes
just dumped the lot onto 2xCDs and popped them in the postal system.  Bank
Details, Personal data, the lot!  Not even encrypted!
A simple query in Access would have done the job, followed by an encryption
routine.

Goodness me.  I am just so astounded by the incompetence of it all.
We all wait now to see how many Identify Fraud cases pop up because of this.
How many foreign illegal immigrants gain access by impersonation, etc.

Solution: Make it compulsory for all IT staff in Government to sign up to
databaseadvisors!

Max

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Max,

The problem is rampant.  In the US it is another case every week.  Laptops
stolen, backups lost on the way to the archive, unencrypted data on servers.
This stuff isn't rocket science, I mean if I can do it anyone can. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
UK news site.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 17:11:23 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:11:23 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <00b001c82c91$f74a4960$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <009d01c82c93$d7f6ceb0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Not so far, but believe me, we are all waiting for the first case to
surface.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Heard that on the news today.  Apparently big embarrassment for the
government.  Big enough to bring it down?  Any evidence yet that the data's
been used? 

Rocky'



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
UK news site.

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From fahooper at trapo.com  Wed Nov 21 21:24:34 2007
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:24:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005
In-Reply-To: <00b401c82c82$29e9d4e0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005301c82cb7$34918b10$8151dd48@fredxp>

John,

I think that an IN() and a bunch of ORs are roughly equivalent.

Try selecting the values you want in a sub query and (inner) joining it to
the table you want to limit. E.g.

select foo.*
from foo 
inner join (select value_field from foo2 where choice = 'Y') lim
on foo.value_field = lim.value_field

If you use the limitation in more than one place, or just for readability,
try the With clause. E.g.

With limiting_values 
as (select value_field from foo2 where choice = 'Y')
select foo.*
from foo 
inner join limiting_values lim
on foo.value_field = lim.value_field

If you check the cost of both approaches I think you'll find that the IN/OR
approach causes a full table scan while limiting through a join avoids it.

I frequently do this when I've set the foo2.choice field using code and use
the values to limit another larger table. (Note: foo2 holds all possible
selection values for the value_field.)

Hope this helps,
Fred

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:05 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005

I have a lot of queries where I have to look for multiple values.  I have
been using an IN() clause but I am advised that is very slow.  OTOH I built
two queries that use an IN() in one query and a bunch of ORs in the other
and over a 56 million record table they were both so fast I couldn't see the
difference (Indexed column, containing values 1-9 and A-T (under 2 sec)

Any comments?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 22 01:34:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:34:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005
In-Reply-To: <005301c82cb7$34918b10$8151dd48@fredxp>
References: <00b401c82c82$29e9d4e0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<005301c82cb7$34918b10$8151dd48@fredxp>
Message-ID: <00ca01c82cda$0e4429e0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Thanks Fred.  I have situations where for example 

Where Income IN('A','B','C','D','E')

The values in the field range from 0-9 and A-T.  The obvious solution is to
"prep" the field by changing the 'A' to 10, 'B' to 11 etc and then doing a
numeric comparison.  Unfortunately the data owner needs to come on board and
do a conversion as well so that they can understand and ask for 11 when they
were used to asking for 'A'.

In any case, this is a common occurrence in my data.  The values are always
characters (ascii) as opposed to numbers, even when they are numeric
characters.  This is that huge table I deal with where there are 600 fields
of data, pulled in from text files.  I have other fields like (boat) hull
type where the values are 'A' (aluminum), 'R' (Rubber), 'F' (Fiberglass) etc
so there is just no getting around some sort of IN() or =X or =Y kind of
solution.

I am doing the subquery route however.  Today I had a case where I had to do
an Income IN('A','B'..'T') and then AND that with another field where there
were ORs - PresenceOfChildren11-13 IN('1','3','5','7') OR
PresenceOfChildren16-17 IN('1','3','5','7').  It just SEEMS to make sense to
do the Income IN() as a separate query and then inner join to the
PresenceOfChildren query to create the AND effect.

Whoever created the data obviously didn't understand databases and how to
optimize the data for the ability to retrieve results efficiently.  It's
just a PITA, the table is huge (600 fields wide) and over 50 million records
to sort through.  "Prepping" the table over time (one field at a time as it
is called for) will work and I will probably do that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005

John,

I think that an IN() and a bunch of ORs are roughly equivalent.

Try selecting the values you want in a sub query and (inner) joining it to
the table you want to limit. E.g.

select foo.*
from foo
inner join (select value_field from foo2 where choice = 'Y') lim on
foo.value_field = lim.value_field

If you use the limitation in more than one place, or just for readability,
try the With clause. E.g.

With limiting_values
as (select value_field from foo2 where choice = 'Y') select foo.* from foo
inner join limiting_values lim on foo.value_field = lim.value_field

If you check the cost of both approaches I think you'll find that the IN/OR
approach causes a full table scan while limiting through a join avoids it.

I frequently do this when I've set the foo2.choice field using code and use
the values to limit another larger table. (Note: foo2 holds all possible
selection values for the value_field.)

Hope this helps,
Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:05 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005

I have a lot of queries where I have to look for multiple values.  I have
been using an IN() clause but I am advised that is very slow.  OTOH I built
two queries that use an IN() in one query and a bunch of ORs in the other
and over a 56 million record table they were both so fast I couldn't see the
difference (Indexed column, containing values 1-9 and A-T (under 2 sec)

Any comments?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Thu Nov 22 13:54:27 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:54:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

 
I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
Thanksgiving!



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 14:00:11 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:00:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. ;)

Susan H.


>
> I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
> grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
> some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
> know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
> needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all 
> of
> you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
> accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
> individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
> Thanksgiving!
>
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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Thu Nov 22 14:02:35 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:02:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local><000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
	<000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c82d42$a06e3e10$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

Susan, if you could see my bookshelf, you'll know you're at the top of the
list.... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. ;)

Susan H.


>
> I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely 
> grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, 
> through some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too 
> confused to even know what to ask...someone else in this group has 
> asked the question I needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all 
> the answers. I owe all of you a debt of gratitude and this is the best 
> I can do. Everything I have accomplished professionally, I owe to each 
> and every one of you. You are, individually and collectively, amazing. 
> Thank you for being here...Happy Thanksgiving!
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 14:10:57 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:10:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
	<000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711221210j42883708q91f6aff6ebbc9d60@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 22, 2007 3:00 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. ;)

Ain't that the truth!!!

Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving!!!!

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 14:39:40 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:39:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local><000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1><000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000001c82d42$a06e3e10$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <002401c82d47$dbfbf670$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Oh my -- <tearing up> -- what a nice thing to say! Thank you so much!

Susan H.


> Susan, if you could see my bookshelf, you'll know you're at the top of the
> list....
>
>
> If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. ;)
>



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 15:00:42 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:00:42 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920711221210j42883708q91f6aff6ebbc9d60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005101c82d4a$bf3d8910$8119fea9@LTVM>

And it isn't always directly related to Access. Some of the other tips are
great - a wide range of experience from a wide range of people.
Always good tips and good references to information.  Some may be OT in this
regard but extremely useful none the less.

Thanks to all.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

On Nov 22, 2007 3:00 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. 
> ;)

Ain't that the truth!!!

Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving!!!!

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Nov 22 15:53:16 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:53:16 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <200711222153.lAMLrMSV009754@databaseadvisors.com>

Here here 

And so say all of us

My wife even knows some of regular names on this list - And she doesn't even
have 'pewta' skills - I often talk about the victories that come from this list
with her
She'll see me smacking the monitor about the 'ears' in frustration and will say
- "Send an email to your nerd mates"
(That's her very sincere - tongue in cheek term for the team - Knowing how much
I truly rely on you guys)
Here in Oz we don't do thanksgiving - But I am very very grateful to this list
and the 'nerds' on it - And to the friendships that have come from it
Many many thanks

DD

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2007 6:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

 
I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
Thanksgiving!

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From robert at servicexp.com  Thu Nov 22 19:20:06 2007
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:20:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <47462AC6.8050602@servicexp.com>

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Here Here, I raise my mug of hot coffee to every one in this group. This
list is one of the most civilized and professional list I have the great
privilege of reading, the wealth of talent and expertize is truly amazing.

We indeed have much to be thankful for..


WBR

 ~Robert

Dian wrote:
>  
> I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
> grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
> some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
> know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
> needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
> you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
> accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
> individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
> Thanksgiving!
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 22 19:50:25 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:50:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Thanks for expressing it so well.  The strange thing is that we all feel the
same way.  Individually we each know a little or a lot, but together we are
more than the sum.  

Happy Thanksgiving to all of the Americans, and the same feelings go out to
the other list members.  Thanks for being there, my life would be very
different without you guys and gals.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com


PS I have no idea what the company books are like at this instant, but we
are a not for profit company, incorporated in Delaware, and we do take
donations to pay the bills.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations.asp

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

 
I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
Thanksgiving!

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Nov 22 22:35:41 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:35:41 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <000a01c82d8a$4ef6c0f0$6401a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Couldn't agree more with the comments made. A couple of times I have had to add 'URGENT' in the subject header because I needed some help asap and the list has never let me down.

Happy thanksgiving to those of you who celebrate it,

Kath
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 23 01:00:25 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:00:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <s74688ac.034@cactus.dk>

Hi Dian

On this side of the ocean Thanksgiving doesn't mean much more than the word itself.
But your writing explains why it has a deeper meaning for you - we should not take everything for granted.
Thank you for the kind words!

/gustav

>>> nd500_lo at charter.net 22-11-2007 20:54 >>>
 
I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
Thanksgiving!




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 23 02:07:41 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:07:41 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Message-ID: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Group,

Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)

I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate 
date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets 
of dates like so:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"

This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records 
that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with 
putting the two fields together into a single date/time.  Here is my code:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" & 
CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"

An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.

The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query 
expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a 
problem when I add the times.

How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for comparison?




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 02:19:53 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:19:53 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Hi David
Well before you think about that how about this quick solution

> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])

OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])

ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.

Just a quick thought on my way out.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Emerson
> Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> 
> 
> Group,
> 
> Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
> 
> I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate 
> date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets 
> of dates like so:
> 
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
> 
> This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records 
> that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with 
> putting the two fields together into a single date/time.  
> Here is my code:
> 
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" & 
> CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
> 
> An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
> 
> The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query 
> expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a 
> problem when I add the times.
> 
> How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for 
> comparison?
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 23 02:42:01 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:42:01 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <20071123083944.CSVU9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Andy,

I have simplified the problem.  Ultimately I need to compare two sets 
of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and 
time, and a second date and time.

I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end 
date and time as well.  I would be interested though in finding out 
how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.

David

At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>Hi David
>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>
>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>
>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>
>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > David Emerson
> > Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> >
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
> >
> > I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
> > date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets
> > of dates like so:
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
> >
> > This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records
> > that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with
> > putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
> > Here is my code:
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
> > CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
> >
> > An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
> >
> > The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
> > expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
> > problem when I add the times.
> >
> > How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
> > comparison?
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 03:50:36 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:50:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Message-ID: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Well this principel works

(from Immediate window)

x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
31/12/07 11:56:00


--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Date: 23/11/07 08:42


Thanks Andy,

I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
time, and a second date and time.

I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.

David

At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>Hi David
>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>
>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>
>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>
>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > David Emerson
> > Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> >
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
> >
> > I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
> > date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
> > of dates like so:
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
> >
> > This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
> > that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
> > putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
> > Here is my code:
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
> > CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
> >
> > An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
> >
> > The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
> > expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
> > problem when I add the times.
> >
> > How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
> > comparison?
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 07:53:08 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:53:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123083944.CSVU9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
	<20071123083944.CSVU9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711230553l14c5584aqa04f121cccfe48cf@mail.gmail.com>

I think that you can do this by doing a DateAdd() to the date field itself,
since without a time specified it will default to midnight. Therefore a
DateAdd() using the number of minutes indicated by the time ought to produce
a genuine datetime value.

Arthur

On 11/23/07, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
> I have simplified the problem.  Ultimately I need to compare two sets
> of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
> time, and a second date and time.
>
> I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
> date and time as well.  I would be interested though in finding out
> how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
> David
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 07:59:56 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:59:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
References: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz><018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25><20071123083944.CSVU9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<29f585dd0711230553l14c5584aqa04f121cccfe48cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005401c82dd9$23b3d3c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If the users insist on entering the date and time in two different fields, 
which I know, is totally common -- entering them together is a bit 
unnatural -- but this might be one of the few times when it's easier to 
break the rules of normalization and create a composite field in the 
underlying table that combines than two than to try to work with them 
separately. Just a thought.

Susan H.


>I think that you can do this by doing a DateAdd() to the date field itself,
> since without a time specified it will default to midnight. Therefore a
> DateAdd() using the number of minutes indicated by the time ought to 
> produce
> a genuine datetime value.



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 23 09:54:59 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:54:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
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I had a problem last week using FORMAT when building dates from text.  It displayed the dates correct, but sorted them as text, and filtered them that way...I could even use DATEPART, but they still were not dates...just text.

I ended up using CDATE to get what I needed.

Just food for thought.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:50:36 +0100
> From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
> Well this principel works
>
> (from Immediate window)
>
> x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
> ? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
> 31/12/07 11:56:00
>
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> 
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> 
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> Date: 23/11/07 08:42
>
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
> I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
> of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
> time, and a second date and time.
>
> I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
> date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
> how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
> David
>
> At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>>Hi David
>>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>>
>>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>>
>>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>>
>>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> David Emerson
>>> Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>>>
>>>
>>> Group,
>>>
>>> Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
>>>
>>> I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
>>> date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
>>> of dates like so:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
>>>
>>> This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
>>> that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
>>> putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
>>> Here is my code:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
>>> CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
>>>
>>> An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
>>> expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
>>> problem when I add the times.
>>>
>>> How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 10:04:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:04:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<BAY127-W17B520C608125DE14B9061D27A0@phx.gbl>
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All the results of Format() are strings.

Susan H.



I had a problem last week using FORMAT when building dates from text.  It 
displayed the dates correct, but sorted them as text, and filtered them that 
way...I could even use DATEPART, but they still were not dates...just text.

I ended up using CDATE to get what I needed.

Just food for thought.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:50:36 +0100
> From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
> Well this principel works
>
> (from Immediate window)
>
> x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
> ? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
> 31/12/07 11:56:00
>
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> Date: 23/11/07 08:42
>
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
> I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
> of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
> time, and a second date and time.
>
> I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
> date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
> how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
> David
>
> At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>>Hi David
>>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>>
>>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>>
>>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>>
>>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> David Emerson
>>> Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>>>
>>>
>>> Group,
>>>
>>> Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
>>>
>>> I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
>>> date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
>>> of dates like so:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
>>>
>>> This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
>>> that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
>>> putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
>>> Here is my code:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
>>> CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
>>>
>>> An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
>>> expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
>>> problem when I add the times.
>>>
>>> How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov 23 10:16:08 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:16:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
In-Reply-To: <s74467a6.009@cactus.dk>
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Message-ID: <000b01c82dec$28b34c30$8abea8c0@XPS>

Gustav,

  Thanks for posting that.

<<On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences.
>>

  Maybe I did, but I don't have anything like this when connecting to the
virtual server console with net meeting.   

  I didn't set this virtual server up and was told by the company that did
that it was a limitation of the video driver.  When I checked into this, I
found numerous articles that supported this, so I didn't bother to check
into it further.

  What happens is that when connecting with Net Meeting, even though a
different resolution is selected on the desktop, it still draws it as 640 x
480 in the Net Meeting window. The window itself however is correctly sized
for the given resolution.   If I remote Desktop in, I have no problem in
getting any resolution I want.  Also changing the resolution while Net
Meeting is active causes all the text to disappear on the screen.  The only
way to get it back is to quit and reconnect.

  It may be a combination of the driver and Net Meeting itself, but since I
will only be dealing with this server for another month or two, I didn't
want to spend a lot of time on it.

  I suppose though that at some point I'll need to start playing around with
Vmware myself.  I've got Microsoft's virtual PC as well.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

Hi Jim

Seems like you have missed something! Just mark View, Autofit Window:

On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences. 

Autofit Preferences 
Use Autofit preferences to control how the console behaves when Autofit is
active. Select Autofit window to have VMware Server change the console
window size to match the guest operating system screen resolution. This is
the same as choosing View > Autofit Window. Select Autofit guest to have
VMware Server change the guest operating system display resolution to match
the console window size. This is the same as choosing View > Autofit Guest. 

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 21-11-2007 17:05 >>>
John,

  This is one of the major drawbacks with virtualizing that I've found.
Your limited to VGA resolution (640x480) if you connect to the console.
It's a royal pain when you work with it.

  One workaround for that is if you don't need the console, you can RDP in. 



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 23 10:19:37 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:19:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
Message-ID: <001901c82dec$a4910b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 09:30:33 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:30:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Message-ID: <20071123163038.4FFC44C637@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi Mark
I wasn't implying that David should use Format, just using it to demonstrate
that the 1st bit (DateValue & TimeValue) worked ok.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Date: 23/11/07 15:58



I had a problem last week using FORMAT when building dates from text. It
displayed the dates correct, but sorted them as text, and filtered them that
way...I could even use DATEPART, but they still were not dates...just text.

I ended up using CDATE to get what I needed.

Just food for thought.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:50:36 +0100
> From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
> Well this principel works
>
> (from Immediate window)
>
> x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
> ? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
> 31/12/07 11:56:00
>
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> Date: 23/11/07 08:42
>
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
> I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
> of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
> time, and a second date and time.
>
> I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
> date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
> how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
> David
>
> At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>>Hi David
>>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>>
>>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>>
>>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>>
>>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> David Emerson
>>> Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>>>
>>>
>>> Group,
>>>
>>> Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
>>>
>>> I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
>>> date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
>>> of dates like so:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
>>>
>>> This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
>>> that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
>>> putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
>>> Here is my code:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
>>> CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
>>>
>>> An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
>>> expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
>>> problem when I add the times.
>>>
>>> How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 11:25:55 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:25:55 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <001901c82dec$a4910b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003c01c82df5$e8dc0570$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Rocky,
Try this:


  Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application, myItem As Outlook.MailItem
  Dim strDataFileName As String, strEmailTo As String
  Set myolApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
  Set myItem = myolApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)

  strEmailTo = "Rocky at databaseadvisors.com"
  strDataFileName = "c:\filename.txt"
  myItem.HTMLBody =
fFileContents("c:\Templates\General\ExplainSecureMailings.html")
  myItem.To = strEmailTo
  myItem.Subject = "Data Mailings"
  myItem.Attachments.Add strDataFileName
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file2.txt"
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file3.txt"  
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file4.txt"
  myItem.Send

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 23 11:32:47 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:32:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <003c01c82df5$e8dc0570$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001901c82dec$a4910b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<003c01c82df5$e8dc0570$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <003401c82df6$dd86e8b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Max:

That'll work as long as Outlook is loaded on the target machine.  Which I
know it isn't.  Because I had similar code in the current app but had to
disable it because of that very problem.  However,  now the client says
assume Outlook.  So that's what I'll do.  

Your code will work just fine.  Thanks.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Hi Rocky,
Try this:


  Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application, myItem As Outlook.MailItem
  Dim strDataFileName As String, strEmailTo As String
  Set myolApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
  Set myItem = myolApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)

  strEmailTo = "Rocky at databaseadvisors.com"
  strDataFileName = "c:\filename.txt"
  myItem.HTMLBody =
fFileContents("c:\Templates\General\ExplainSecureMailings.html")
  myItem.To = strEmailTo
  myItem.Subject = "Data Mailings"
  myItem.Attachments.Add strDataFileName
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file2.txt"
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file3.txt"  
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file4.txt"
  myItem.Send

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 23 11:32:36 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:32:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
Message-ID: <s7471ce6.052@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Net meeting? I don't even know what that is. Also, my observations are for VMware Server only, I have never used MS Virtual PC if that is what you are referring to.

With VMware 1.x you have a dedicated remote console client as a Windows app. 
With VMware 2.x (still in beta) you run an Apache/Tomcat on the server and use IE with a plug-in as the client which is able to run a virtual server screen in clean full-screen.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 23-11-2007 17:16 >>>
Gustav,

  Thanks for posting that.

<<On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences.
>>

  Maybe I did, but I don't have anything like this when connecting to the
virtual server console with net meeting.   

  I didn't set this virtual server up and was told by the company that did
that it was a limitation of the video driver.  When I checked into this, I
found numerous articles that supported this, so I didn't bother to check
into it further.

  What happens is that when connecting with Net Meeting, even though a
different resolution is selected on the desktop, it still draws it as 640 x
480 in the Net Meeting window. The window itself however is correctly sized
for the given resolution.   If I remote Desktop in, I have no problem in
getting any resolution I want.  Also changing the resolution while Net
Meeting is active causes all the text to disappear on the screen.  The only
way to get it back is to quit and reconnect.

  It may be a combination of the driver and Net Meeting itself, but since I
will only be dealing with this server for another month or two, I didn't
want to spend a lot of time on it.

  I suppose though that at some point I'll need to start playing around with
Vmware myself.  I've got Microsoft's virtual PC as well.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

Hi Jim

Seems like you have missed something! Just mark View, Autofit Window:

On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences. 

Autofit Preferences 
Use Autofit preferences to control how the console behaves when Autofit is
active. Select Autofit window to have VMware Server change the console
window size to match the guest operating system screen resolution. This is
the same as choosing View > Autofit Window. Select Autofit guest to have
VMware Server change the guest operating system display resolution to match
the console window size. This is the same as choosing View > Autofit Guest. 

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 21-11-2007 17:05 >>>
John,

  This is one of the major drawbacks with virtualizing that I've found.
Your limited to VGA resolution (640x480) if you connect to the console.
It's a royal pain when you work with it.

  One workaround for that is if you don't need the console, you can RDP in. 





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 11:51:28 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:51:28 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <003401c82df6$dd86e8b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <005c01c82df9$7b31d870$8119fea9@LTVM>

Would you like a CDO example?

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 5:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Max:

That'll work as long as Outlook is loaded on the target machine.  Which I
know it isn't.  Because I had similar code in the current app but had to
disable it because of that very problem.  However,  now the client says
assume Outlook.  So that's what I'll do.  

Your code will work just fine.  Thanks.

Rocky





 	
	

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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Hi Rocky,
Try this:


  Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application, myItem As Outlook.MailItem
  Dim strDataFileName As String, strEmailTo As String
  Set myolApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
  Set myItem = myolApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)

  strEmailTo = "Rocky at databaseadvisors.com"
  strDataFileName = "c:\filename.txt"
  myItem.HTMLBody =
fFileContents("c:\Templates\General\ExplainSecureMailings.html")
  myItem.To = strEmailTo
  myItem.Subject = "Data Mailings"
  myItem.Attachments.Add strDataFileName
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file2.txt"
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file3.txt"  
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file4.txt"
  myItem.Send

Max 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 23 12:13:01 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:13:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <005c01c82df9$7b31d870$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <003401c82df6$dd86e8b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<005c01c82df9$7b31d870$8119fea9@LTVM>
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Thanks, Max.  Working the first solution at the moment.   If that works I'll
stop the clock, and go there to see if it works at their site.  

What's CDO?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Would you like a CDO example?

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 5:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Max:

That'll work as long as Outlook is loaded on the target machine.  Which I
know it isn't.  Because I had similar code in the current app but had to
disable it because of that very problem.  However,  now the client says
assume Outlook.  So that's what I'll do.  

Your code will work just fine.  Thanks.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Hi Rocky,
Try this:


  Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application, myItem As Outlook.MailItem
  Dim strDataFileName As String, strEmailTo As String
  Set myolApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
  Set myItem = myolApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)

  strEmailTo = "Rocky at databaseadvisors.com"
  strDataFileName = "c:\filename.txt"
  myItem.HTMLBody =
fFileContents("c:\Templates\General\ExplainSecureMailings.html")
  myItem.To = strEmailTo
  myItem.Subject = "Data Mailings"
  myItem.Attachments.Add strDataFileName
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file2.txt"
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file3.txt"  
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file4.txt"
  myItem.Send

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 23 14:05:44 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:05:44 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks to everyone who replied.

The final solution was twofold.  First change the query:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE (CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))>= 
CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]))) " & _
"And CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))<= 
CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + 
TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]))"


Secondly, tidy up the data to remove invalid entries in the time field.

David

At 23/11/2007, you wrote:
>Well this principel works
>
>(from Immediate window)
>
>x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
>? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
>31/12/07 11:56:00
>
>
>--
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>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>--------- Original Message --------
>From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>Date: 23/11/07 08:42
>
>
>Thanks Andy,
>
>I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
>of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
>time, and a second date and time.
>
>I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
>date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
>how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
>David
>
>At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
> >Hi David
> >Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
> >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
> >
> >OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
> >EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
> >
> >ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
> >
> >Just a quick thought on my way out.
> >
> >-- Andy Lacey
> >http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > David Emerson
> > > Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> > >
> > >
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
> > >
> > > I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
> > > date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
> > > of dates like so:
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
> > >
> > > This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
> > > that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
> > > putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
> > > Here is my code:
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > > "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
> > > CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
> > >
> > > An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
> > >
> > > The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
> > > expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
> > > problem when I add the times.
> > >
> > > How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
> > > comparison?
> > >
> > >
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 23 14:19:18 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:19:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Replace text in memo field
In-Reply-To: <20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W27E1179300798A2E240E88D27A0@phx.gbl>


Hello All,

I have replaced text in a text file before...but If I already have the data in a table...and there is a 'phrase'/string I need to remove from the middle of a memo field...what is the best approach?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 14:25:49 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:25:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W27E1179300798A2E240E88D27A0@phx.gbl>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
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Anything wrong with Replace( [columnName], "searchTarget", "replaceString"
)?

On 11/23/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have replaced text in a text file before...but If I already have the
> data in a table...and there is a 'phrase'/string I need to remove from the
> middle of a memo field...what is the best approach?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte


From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Nov 23 14:48:04 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:48:04 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <47473C84.9000601@mvps.org>

David,

If the [Date] and [Time] fields in the table are a Date/Time data type, 
and if the criteria controls on the form are formatted with a valid date 
and/or time format, then I don't think you would need the CDate and 
DateValue functions as you have used them.  I would expect (without 
having tested) that this would work:
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date + EntryLogSets.Time) Between (#" & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & "# + #" &
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime] & "#) And (#" & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate] "# + #" & [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime] & "#)"

I always wrap date and time criteria in CLng or CDbl to handle 
international problem, so I would do it like this:
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date + EntryLogSets.Time) Between (" & 
CLng([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & ") And (" & 
CLng([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]) 
& ")"

Regards
Steve

David Emerson wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who replied.
> 
> The final solution was twofold.  First change the query:
> 
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> "WHERE (CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
> TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))>= 
> CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
> TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]))) " & _
> "And CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
> TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))<= 
> CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + 
> TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]))"
> 
> 
> Secondly, tidy up the data to remove invalid entries in the time field.
> 


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 23 14:50:44 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:50:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711231225l73608035l1a23df886c3cfb6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
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Message-ID: <BAY127-W3223C84E478526506A032AD27A0@phx.gbl>


I guessed it was something simple...I just never actually did this to data already in a table...it was always external files using vba.

Thanks,


Mark A. Matte


> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:25:49 -0500
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
>
> Anything wrong with Replace( [columnName], "searchTarget", "replaceString"
> )?
>
> On 11/23/07, Mark A Matte  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have replaced text in a text file before...but If I already have the
>> data in a table...and there is a 'phrase'/string I need to remove from the
>> middle of a memo field...what is the best approach?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 23 14:56:38 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:56:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W3223C84E478526506A032AD27A0@phx.gbl>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<BAY127-W27E1179300798A2E240E88D27A0@phx.gbl> 
	<29f585dd0711231225l73608035l1a23df886c3cfb6b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<BAY127-W3223C84E478526506A032AD27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W9CD25CE0076D2EE53CE59D27A0@phx.gbl>


Ok...that worked on XP...but it failed on A2k...is there a different function if I had to do this on a box with A2k?

Thanks,

Mark

> From: markamatte at hotmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:50:44 +0000
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
>
>
> I guessed it was something simple...I just never actually did this to data already in a table...it was always external files using vba.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:25:49 -0500
>> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
>>
>> Anything wrong with Replace( [columnName], "searchTarget", "replaceString"
>> )?
>>
>> On 11/23/07, Mark A Matte wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I have replaced text in a text file before...but If I already have the
>>> data in a table...and there is a 'phrase'/string I need to remove from the
>>> middle of a memo field...what is the best approach?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mark A. Matte
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 05:40:10 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:40:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <003f01c82dfc$7c779780$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <006f01c82e8e$c5a7c780$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Rocky,
This should get you started with CDO.  Put your own parameters in - fairly
obvious where.
Max

Function RockyCDOTest()
  On Error GoTo errhandler
  Const conErr1 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 550 "
  Const conErr2 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 501 bad address syntax: <"
  Const ConErrX As String = "The transport failed to connect to the server"
  Const cdoReferenceTypeName = 1
  Dim strUserName As String, strPwd As String, strSMTPServer  As String,
strErr As String
  Dim objCDO, objBP
  Set objCDO = CreateObject("CDO.Message")    ' Create the message object.
  'Set objCDO = server.CreateObject("CDO.Message") ' alternative for
exchange I believe! Not tested
  objCDO.mimeformatted = True

  ' Sender/Email Contents/Details
  objCDO.from = "Rocky<rocky at rockydomain.com>"
  objCDO.To = "somebody at gmail.com"
  objCDO.cc = "person1 at domain.com;person2 at domain.com"
  objCDO.bcc = "person3 at domain.com"
  objCDO.Subject = "Testing 123"

  'body can be a string, or read from a file and can be text or html (Don't
use both)
  objCDO.HTMLBody = fFileContents("C:\body.html") ' or "C:\body.txt" '
create a test file

  ' Attachments
  objCDO.addattachment "C:\Att1.txt" ' create a test file
  objCDO.addattachment "C:\Att2.jpg" ' create a test file

  ' User SMTP login details
  strSMTPServer = "mail.rockydomain.org" ' send via this domain - can be IP
Address (sometimes this is smtp.mydomain.org)
  strUserName = "rocky" ' your user login name
  strPwd = "itsrockyletmein" ' your user login password

  ' SMTP Configuration Details
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendusing") = 2
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpserver") = strSMTPServer
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpauthenticate") = 1
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendusername") = strUserName
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendpassword") = strPwd
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpserverport") = 25 'normally 25  but can be anything, try 587, or
465 or check with your ISP.
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpusessl") = False
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpconnectiontimeout") = 60 ' before timing out
  objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Update    ' Update configuration
  'MsgBox objCDO.GetStream.ReadText  ' Use to show the message.
  objCDO.Send  ' Send the message.
exithere:
  Exit Function
errhandler:
  strErr = "pfEmailByCDO - Send Errors " & Err.Description
  If InStr(strErr, ConErrX) > 0 Then
    strErr = strErr & " No Email Sent"
  End If
  MsgBox strErr
  GoTo exithere
End Function

Private Function fFileContents(strFilePath As String) As String
  ' Set a Reference for FileSystemObjects in Office 11.
  'These constants are defined to make the code more readable
  Const ForReading = 1, ForWriting = 2, ForAppending = 8
  Dim fso, f
  Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
  'Open the file for reading
  Set f = fso.OpenTextFile(strFilePath, ForReading)
  'The ReadAll method reads the entire file
  fFileContents = f.ReadAll
  f.Close    'Close the file
  Set f = Nothing
  Set fso = Nothing
End Function 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 6:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Thanks, Max.  Working the first solution at the moment.   If that works I'll
stop the clock, and go there to see if it works at their site.  

What's CDO?

Rocky




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 06:46:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:46:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
Message-ID: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 07:51:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:51:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <006f01c82e8e$c5a7c780$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <003f01c82dfc$7c779780$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<006f01c82e8e$c5a7c780$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001501c82ea1$28bc98c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Max:

Thanks for the code. It begins to look familiar.  I think I was going to go
this route once but the users would have had trouble configuring it because
they'd need to know their own  smtp server string and stuff like that.   

This will work for the instant application because it's only one site.
However, I'd have to create a form to allow each user to configure to their
won email and password.  (At this point, too, the client is looking for
cheap solutions). But the outlook stuff you sent earlier worked a treat.
Just too a couple minutes to mod for their site and walla! email with pdf
attachments.

Which attachments, BTW, I implemented in a hurry using the Lebans stuff,
thanks again to the list.

Thanks again to the list.

Did I mention how thankful I am to the list?

Best,

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Hi Rocky,
This should get you started with CDO.  Put your own parameters in - fairly
obvious where.
Max

Function RockyCDOTest()
  On Error GoTo errhandler
  Const conErr1 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 550 "
  Const conErr2 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 501 bad address syntax: <"
  Const ConErrX As String = "The transport failed to connect to the server"
  Const cdoReferenceTypeName = 1
  Dim strUserName As String, strPwd As String, strSMTPServer  As String,
strErr As String
  Dim objCDO, objBP
  Set objCDO = CreateObject("CDO.Message")    ' Create the message object.
  'Set objCDO = server.CreateObject("CDO.Message") ' alternative for
exchange I believe! Not tested
  objCDO.mimeformatted = True

  ' Sender/Email Contents/Details
  objCDO.from = "Rocky<rocky at rockydomain.com>"
  objCDO.To = "somebody at gmail.com"
  objCDO.cc = "person1 at domain.com;person2 at domain.com"
  objCDO.bcc = "person3 at domain.com"
  objCDO.Subject = "Testing 123"

  'body can be a string, or read from a file and can be text or html (Don't
use both)
  objCDO.HTMLBody = fFileContents("C:\body.html") ' or "C:\body.txt" '
create a test file

  ' Attachments
  objCDO.addattachment "C:\Att1.txt" ' create a test file
  objCDO.addattachment "C:\Att2.jpg" ' create a test file

  ' User SMTP login details
  strSMTPServer = "mail.rockydomain.org" ' send via this domain - can be IP
Address (sometimes this is smtp.mydomain.org)
  strUserName = "rocky" ' your user login name
  strPwd = "itsrockyletmein" ' your user login password

  ' SMTP Configuration Details
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendusing") = 2
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpserver") = strSMTPServer
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpauthenticate") = 1
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendusername") = strUserName
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendpassword") = strPwd
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpserverport") = 25 'normally 25  but can be anything, try 587, or
465 or check with your ISP.
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpusessl") = False
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpconnectiontimeout") = 60 ' before timing out
  objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Update    ' Update configuration
  'MsgBox objCDO.GetStream.ReadText  ' Use to show the message.
  objCDO.Send  ' Send the message.
exithere:
  Exit Function
errhandler:
  strErr = "pfEmailByCDO - Send Errors " & Err.Description
  If InStr(strErr, ConErrX) > 0 Then
    strErr = strErr & " No Email Sent"
  End If
  MsgBox strErr
  GoTo exithere
End Function

Private Function fFileContents(strFilePath As String) As String
  ' Set a Reference for FileSystemObjects in Office 11.
  'These constants are defined to make the code more readable
  Const ForReading = 1, ForWriting = 2, ForAppending = 8
  Dim fso, f
  Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
  'Open the file for reading
  Set f = fso.OpenTextFile(strFilePath, ForReading)
  'The ReadAll method reads the entire file
  fFileContents = f.ReadAll
  f.Close    'Close the file
  Set f = Nothing
  Set fso = Nothing
End Function 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 6:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Thanks, Max.  Working the first solution at the moment.   If that works I'll
stop the clock, and go there to see if it works at their site.  

What's CDO?

Rocky


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 07:56:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:56:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router
firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any
compelling reason to switch?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 08:47:38 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:47:38 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <001501c82ea1$28bc98c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <009601c82ea8$f611e350$8119fea9@LTVM>

Rocky,
The email setting are easily found from the Outlook/Tools/Email Accounts
settings.  The smtp and user logins are all there.  Click on the More Tab
and find out which specific SMTP settings are set for the account they want
to use and then use these in CDO.  You can do this for them - takes a few
minutes that's all.

With CDO you do not need Outlook to be open (or any email client).  You can
feed a rst into the functions and send them all during silent hours.  
I have recently sent over 20,000 emails to participants in an event.  No
user overtime required.  It all happened during silent hours.

Very flexible once you start to use it.  No more Outlook warnings etc
(although these can be overcome with ClickYes).
You can wrap it all in a Form to make changes to parameters and feed these
through, etc, etc.

Max

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Max:

Thanks for the code. It begins to look familiar.  I think I was going to go
this route once but the users would have had trouble configuring it because
they'd need to know their own  smtp server string and stuff like that.   

This will work for the instant application because it's only one site.
However, I'd have to create a form to allow each user to configure to their
won email and password.  (At this point, too, the client is looking for
cheap solutions). But the outlook stuff you sent earlier worked a treat.
Just too a couple minutes to mod for their site and walla! email with pdf
attachments.

Which attachments, BTW, I implemented in a hurry using the Lebans stuff,
thanks again to the list.

Thanks again to the list.

Did I mention how thankful I am to the list?

Best,

Rocky



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 09:18:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:18:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Rocky,

I don't pretend to be a security expert.  Therefore all I can do is talk
about what I like and why.  The Comodo firewall is good and getting better.
It is free.  It has now added in a new layer which watches for the nasties
trying to load and also the nasties trying to hook in to or manipulate
already loaded applications.  This is a very common practice, even with the
non-nasties.  Outlook hooks into Firefox or IE to display web pages.  So if
an "application" tries to use another application, is it normal or a nasty?
If something tries to load, is it a normal known app or a nasty?  

There are already firewalls out there, there are already app monitors.  Some
are good, some are not so good, some are useless.  Unfortunately given the
very real importance of such things, I am not finding a good site dedicated
to testing firewalls and keeping those tests up to date.  I find tests for
Comodo's firewall but they are from Sept 2006.  That is well over a year ago
and are the results valid today?  As we know from the Microsoft debacle, bug
fixes can break things so any firewall developer can fix a bug and break
something else.  We really need some place that tests each firewall /
version at LEAST every few months.  Well if there is one I can't find it.

Anyway, Comodo is a company that I trust and I like their philosophy.  They
are in the business of selling security certificates, and they profess to
believe that trust is the most critical aspect of their job.  They already
have a background in the internet, and specifically in the security side of
the internet and they are trying to leverage that knowledge into good
products for the little guy to protect himself with.  They are openly
staking their reputation on these products, and the effect on their
reputation is their payback for the work they do on these products.  I just
like that.

They are doing a good job of staying on top of the various security issues
(AFAICT) and they have added a new "layer" of security directly into the
firewall application which does this monitoring of other applications.  It
has gotten to the point where I think this is a requirement (application
monitoring), and it just seems like a good idea to have one dev team
handling the whole thing rather than using the firewall from over here and
the monitor from over there.  Given that the nasties almost always try to
use the internet for some nefarious purpose, it makes sense to me for the
app monitor to be able to talk directly to the firewall should it need to.

Again, just my opinion, and making the assumption that they do a good job on
both sides of the security house of course.

Both of these things, firewalls and application monitoring, are complicated
issues which I don't understand well enough to do my own testing.  I keep
looking for some third party which is keeping up with such testing but I am
not finding such a place.  In the meantime, all I can say is, I like Comodo
and I like their firewall.  I have been using it for well over a year now,
on all of my machines and I still recommend it highly.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router
firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any
compelling reason to switch?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 09:20:18 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:20:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <009601c82ea8$f611e350$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001501c82ea1$28bc98c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<009601c82ea8$f611e350$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001701c82ead$85dd4570$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Rocky,
The email setting are easily found from the Outlook/Tools/Email Accounts
settings.  The smtp and user logins are all there.  Click on the More Tab
and find out which specific SMTP settings are set for the account they want
to use and then use these in CDO.  You can do this for them - takes a few
minutes that's all.

With CDO you do not need Outlook to be open (or any email client).  You can
feed a rst into the functions and send them all during silent hours.  
I have recently sent over 20,000 emails to participants in an event.  No
user overtime required.  It all happened during silent hours.

Very flexible once you start to use it.  No more Outlook warnings etc
(although these can be overcome with ClickYes).
You can wrap it all in a Form to make changes to parameters and feed these
through, etc, etc.

Max

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Max:

Thanks for the code. It begins to look familiar.  I think I was going to go
this route once but the users would have had trouble configuring it because
they'd need to know their own  smtp server string and stuff like that.   

This will work for the instant application because it's only one site.
However, I'd have to create a form to allow each user to configure to their
won email and password.  (At this point, too, the client is looking for
cheap solutions). But the outlook stuff you sent earlier worked a treat.
Just too a couple minutes to mod for their site and walla! email with pdf
attachments.

Which attachments, BTW, I implemented in a hurry using the Lebans stuff,
thanks again to the list.

Thanks again to the list.

Did I mention how thankful I am to the list?

Best,

Rocky

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov 24 09:36:54 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:36:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <20071124153723.9B584250DC@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>

I went looking for info on Comodo, and found this firewall analysis site:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/results.
php

Too much info for me to summarize! - But Comodo is one of the better
products.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 09:49:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:49:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <20071124153723.9B584250DC@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<20071124153723.9B584250DC@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c82eb1$898f7b30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I am unable to load the page, or even the home page.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I went looking for info on Comodo, and found this firewall analysis site:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/results.
php

Too much info for me to summarize! - But Comodo is one of the better
products.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 09:59:42 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:59:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a firewall testing site

http://www.firewallguide.com/software.htm

GK


On Nov 24, 2007 9:18 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Rocky,
>
> I don't pretend to be a security expert.  Therefore all I can do is talk
> about what I like and why.  The Comodo firewall is good and getting better.
> It is free.  It has now added in a new layer which watches for the nasties
> trying to load and also the nasties trying to hook in to or manipulate
> already loaded applications.  This is a very common practice, even with the
> non-nasties.  Outlook hooks into Firefox or IE to display web pages.  So if
> an "application" tries to use another application, is it normal or a nasty?
> If something tries to load, is it a normal known app or a nasty?
>
> There are already firewalls out there, there are already app monitors.  Some
> are good, some are not so good, some are useless.  Unfortunately given the
> very real importance of such things, I am not finding a good site dedicated
> to testing firewalls and keeping those tests up to date.  I find tests for
> Comodo's firewall but they are from Sept 2006.  That is well over a year ago
> and are the results valid today?  As we know from the Microsoft debacle, bug
> fixes can break things so any firewall developer can fix a bug and break
> something else.  We really need some place that tests each firewall /
> version at LEAST every few months.  Well if there is one I can't find it.
>
> Anyway, Comodo is a company that I trust and I like their philosophy.  They
> are in the business of selling security certificates, and they profess to
> believe that trust is the most critical aspect of their job.  They already
> have a background in the internet, and specifically in the security side of
> the internet and they are trying to leverage that knowledge into good
> products for the little guy to protect himself with.  They are openly
> staking their reputation on these products, and the effect on their
> reputation is their payback for the work they do on these products.  I just
> like that.
>
> They are doing a good job of staying on top of the various security issues
> (AFAICT) and they have added a new "layer" of security directly into the
> firewall application which does this monitoring of other applications.  It
> has gotten to the point where I think this is a requirement (application
> monitoring), and it just seems like a good idea to have one dev team
> handling the whole thing rather than using the firewall from over here and
> the monitor from over there.  Given that the nasties almost always try to
> use the internet for some nefarious purpose, it makes sense to me for the
> app monitor to be able to talk directly to the firewall should it need to.
>
> Again, just my opinion, and making the assumption that they do a good job on
> both sides of the security house of course.
>
> Both of these things, firewalls and application monitoring, are complicated
> issues which I don't understand well enough to do my own testing.  I keep
> looking for some third party which is keeping up with such testing but I am
> not finding such a place.  In the meantime, all I can say is, I like Comodo
> and I like their firewall.  I have been using it for well over a year now,
> on all of my machines and I still recommend it highly.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:56 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router
> firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any
> compelling reason to switch?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
> itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
> detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.
>
> If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
> any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
> better.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 10:26:41 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:26:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>

I'm about to reveal my colossal ignorance (just in case it was not already
evident), but my question is this: given a router that already has a
firewall in it (such as LinkSys or DLink), what is gained by  adding a
software firewall to the mix? Since I live alone, but have 2 desktops, one
notebook and one server, I want traffic between everything my house to be
open and free. I'm only concerned about externalities, as it were. I don't
want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission), but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?

TIA,
Arthur


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 10:27:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:27:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005><005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401c82eb6$f3b8cfc0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Look at the dates though.  The two top picks were reviewed in summer 2006.
That is a LOOOONG time ago in this business. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Here's a firewall testing site

http://www.firewallguide.com/software.htm

GK


On Nov 24, 2007 9:18 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Rocky,
>
> I don't pretend to be a security expert.  Therefore all I can do is 
> talk about what I like and why.  The Comodo firewall is good and getting
better.
> It is free.  It has now added in a new layer which watches for the 
> nasties trying to load and also the nasties trying to hook in to or 
> manipulate already loaded applications.  This is a very common 
> practice, even with the non-nasties.  Outlook hooks into Firefox or IE 
> to display web pages.  So if an "application" tries to use another
application, is it normal or a nasty?
> If something tries to load, is it a normal known app or a nasty?
>
> There are already firewalls out there, there are already app monitors.  
> Some are good, some are not so good, some are useless.  Unfortunately 
> given the very real importance of such things, I am not finding a good 
> site dedicated to testing firewalls and keeping those tests up to 
> date.  I find tests for Comodo's firewall but they are from Sept 2006.  
> That is well over a year ago and are the results valid today?  As we 
> know from the Microsoft debacle, bug fixes can break things so any 
> firewall developer can fix a bug and break something else.  We really 
> need some place that tests each firewall / version at LEAST every few
months.  Well if there is one I can't find it.
>
> Anyway, Comodo is a company that I trust and I like their philosophy.  
> They are in the business of selling security certificates, and they 
> profess to believe that trust is the most critical aspect of their 
> job.  They already have a background in the internet, and specifically 
> in the security side of the internet and they are trying to leverage 
> that knowledge into good products for the little guy to protect 
> himself with.  They are openly staking their reputation on these 
> products, and the effect on their reputation is their payback for the 
> work they do on these products.  I just like that.
>
> They are doing a good job of staying on top of the various security 
> issues
> (AFAICT) and they have added a new "layer" of security directly into 
> the firewall application which does this monitoring of other 
> applications.  It has gotten to the point where I think this is a 
> requirement (application monitoring), and it just seems like a good 
> idea to have one dev team handling the whole thing rather than using 
> the firewall from over here and the monitor from over there.  Given 
> that the nasties almost always try to use the internet for some 
> nefarious purpose, it makes sense to me for the app monitor to be able to
talk directly to the firewall should it need to.
>
> Again, just my opinion, and making the assumption that they do a good 
> job on both sides of the security house of course.
>
> Both of these things, firewalls and application monitoring, are 
> complicated issues which I don't understand well enough to do my own 
> testing.  I keep looking for some third party which is keeping up with 
> such testing but I am not finding such a place.  In the meantime, all 
> I can say is, I like Comodo and I like their firewall.  I have been 
> using it for well over a year now, on all of my machines and I still
recommend it highly.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:56 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router 
> firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any 
> compelling reason to switch?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall 
> itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of 
> malware detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.
>
> If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If 
> you use any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep 
> getting better.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 
> 11/23/2007
> 7:39 PM
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov 24 10:42:52 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:42:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <005e01c82eb1$898f7b30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <20071124164323.1E2EB1C8C2@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>

The URL here is wrapped.

I just tried again - their home page opened fine.  www.matousec.com

BTW - the reviews here are quite critical and technical.  For example, they
say that ZoneAlarm Pro should not be used because it has too many critical
bugs that would allow a skilled person to easily get into your PC!  Ouch!

They also gain some income by selling the full technical analysis to the
vendors of firewalls - and some vendors have taken them up on this and
improved their products as a result.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I am unable to load the page, or even the home page.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I went looking for info on Comodo, and found this firewall analysis site:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/results.
php

Too much info for me to summarize! - But Comodo is one of the better
products.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov 24 10:52:37 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:52:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <006401c82eb6$f3b8cfc0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <20071124165307.8B4E224FCD@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>

If you scroll down about 1/4 of the page, you'll see an update on Comodo
dated Sept 2007.  Sounds like the company is going to make major
improvements pretty soon.  I'm going to try this when they do.

Hey I just checked!  They do now offer version 3.0.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Look at the dates though.  The two top picks were reviewed in summer 2006.
That is a LOOOONG time ago in this business. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Here's a firewall testing site

http://www.firewallguide.com/software.htm

GK


On Nov 24, 2007 9:18 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Rocky,
>
> I don't pretend to be a security expert.  Therefore all I can do is 
> talk about what I like and why.  The Comodo firewall is good and getting
better.
> It is free.  It has now added in a new layer which watches for the 
> nasties trying to load and also the nasties trying to hook in to or 
> manipulate already loaded applications.  This is a very common 
> practice, even with the non-nasties.  Outlook hooks into Firefox or IE 
> to display web pages.  So if an "application" tries to use another
application, is it normal or a nasty?
> If something tries to load, is it a normal known app or a nasty?
>
> There are already firewalls out there, there are already app monitors.  
> Some are good, some are not so good, some are useless.  Unfortunately 
> given the very real importance of such things, I am not finding a good 
> site dedicated to testing firewalls and keeping those tests up to 
> date.  I find tests for Comodo's firewall but they are from Sept 2006.  
> That is well over a year ago and are the results valid today?  As we 
> know from the Microsoft debacle, bug fixes can break things so any 
> firewall developer can fix a bug and break something else.  We really 
> need some place that tests each firewall / version at LEAST every few
months.  Well if there is one I can't find it.
>
> Anyway, Comodo is a company that I trust and I like their philosophy.  
> They are in the business of selling security certificates, and they 
> profess to believe that trust is the most critical aspect of their 
> job.  They already have a background in the internet, and specifically 
> in the security side of the internet and they are trying to leverage 
> that knowledge into good products for the little guy to protect 
> himself with.  They are openly staking their reputation on these 
> products, and the effect on their reputation is their payback for the 
> work they do on these products.  I just like that.
>
> They are doing a good job of staying on top of the various security 
> issues
> (AFAICT) and they have added a new "layer" of security directly into 
> the firewall application which does this monitoring of other 
> applications.  It has gotten to the point where I think this is a 
> requirement (application monitoring), and it just seems like a good 
> idea to have one dev team handling the whole thing rather than using 
> the firewall from over here and the monitor from over there.  Given 
> that the nasties almost always try to use the internet for some 
> nefarious purpose, it makes sense to me for the app monitor to be able to
talk directly to the firewall should it need to.
>
> Again, just my opinion, and making the assumption that they do a good 
> job on both sides of the security house of course.
>
> Both of these things, firewalls and application monitoring, are 
> complicated issues which I don't understand well enough to do my own 
> testing.  I keep looking for some third party which is keeping up with 
> such testing but I am not finding such a place.  In the meantime, all 
> I can say is, I like Comodo and I like their firewall.  I have been 
> using it for well over a year now, on all of my machines and I still
recommend it highly.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:56 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router 
> firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any 
> compelling reason to switch?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall 
> itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of 
> malware detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.
>
> If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If 
> you use any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep 
> getting better.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.5/1148 - Release Date: 
> 11/23/2007
> 7:39 PM
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 11:05:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:05:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005><005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90><aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006501c82ebc$3084fb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Arthur,

A hardware firewall is about controlling the access to the NETWORK (not any
specific computer) almost exclusively INCOMING only.  It is definitely the
first and most powerful line of defense for what it does.  What it does not
do is control any specific computer attempting to phone home.  If you ever
catch a nasty, almost all of them attempt to pass information back out to
criminals.  These things are a major threat nowadays.  

In the beginning were the script kiddies and they were idiots.  Now there
are crime syndicates with more resources than IBM (literally), all of it
focused on breaking in to our computers.  They run out of mainland china,
Russia and other essentially lawless or uncaring host countries where we
can't get at them and prosecute them.  And they are powerful.  They have
made so much money that they can and do afford the best programmers in the
world, paying big bucks to little people who don't stand a chance of making
that kind of money legitimately, and all focused on figuring out how to get
past your router.  If they get in , they plant totally silent applications
that just look for passwords and stuff.


So... the software firewall (and application monitors) are designed to watch
for applications trying to do things they shouldn't and applications trying
to send stuff OUT of your computer.

You will never know if you need one until your bank account or credit card
is empty.  If you do not ever use your computer to buy stuff over the
internet or do web banking, then you do not really have much to worry about.
Your computer may end up a 'bot in someone's bot network but what do you
care?  OTOH if you ever use your credit card over the net then just keep a
close eye on things and hope for the best.

Oh yea, and then there is the identity theft issue.

That's the short answer.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I'm about to reveal my colossal ignorance (just in case it was not already
evident), but my question is this: given a router that already has a
firewall in it (such as LinkSys or DLink), what is gained by  adding a
software firewall to the mix? Since I live alone, but have 2 desktops, one
notebook and one server, I want traffic between everything my house to be
open and free. I'm only concerned about externalities, as it were. I don't
want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission), but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?

TIA,
Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 11:09:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:09:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <20071124164323.1E2EB1C8C2@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
References: <005e01c82eb1$898f7b30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<20071124164323.1E2EB1C8C2@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <006601c82ebc$ceb92a70$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I still can't get on it. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

The URL here is wrapped.

I just tried again - their home page opened fine.  www.matousec.com

BTW - the reviews here are quite critical and technical.  For example, they
say that ZoneAlarm Pro should not be used because it has too many critical
bugs that would allow a skilled person to easily get into your PC!  Ouch!

They also gain some income by selling the full technical analysis to the
vendors of firewalls - and some vendors have taken them up on this and
improved their products as a result.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I am unable to load the page, or even the home page.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I went looking for info on Comodo, and found this firewall analysis site:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/results.
php

Too much info for me to summarize! - But Comodo is one of the better
products.

Dan



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 11:10:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:10:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <006501c82ebc$3084fb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005><005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90><aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com><29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
	<006501c82ebc$3084fb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <006701c82ebc$f7bf7c30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2218894,00.asp?kc=EWKNLBOE112407STR1 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Arthur,

A hardware firewall is about controlling the access to the NETWORK (not any
specific computer) almost exclusively INCOMING only.  It is definitely the
first and most powerful line of defense for what it does.  What it does not
do is control any specific computer attempting to phone home.  If you ever
catch a nasty, almost all of them attempt to pass information back out to
criminals.  These things are a major threat nowadays.  

In the beginning were the script kiddies and they were idiots.  Now there
are crime syndicates with more resources than IBM (literally), all of it
focused on breaking in to our computers.  They run out of mainland china,
Russia and other essentially lawless or uncaring host countries where we
can't get at them and prosecute them.  And they are powerful.  They have
made so much money that they can and do afford the best programmers in the
world, paying big bucks to little people who don't stand a chance of making
that kind of money legitimately, and all focused on figuring out how to get
past your router.  If they get in , they plant totally silent applications
that just look for passwords and stuff.


So... the software firewall (and application monitors) are designed to watch
for applications trying to do things they shouldn't and applications trying
to send stuff OUT of your computer.

You will never know if you need one until your bank account or credit card
is empty.  If you do not ever use your computer to buy stuff over the
internet or do web banking, then you do not really have much to worry about.
Your computer may end up a 'bot in someone's bot network but what do you
care?  OTOH if you ever use your credit card over the net then just keep a
close eye on things and hope for the best.

Oh yea, and then there is the identity theft issue.

That's the short answer.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I'm about to reveal my colossal ignorance (just in case it was not already
evident), but my question is this: given a router that already has a
firewall in it (such as LinkSys or DLink), what is gained by  adding a
software firewall to the mix? Since I live alone, but have 2 desktops, one
notebook and one server, I want traffic between everything my house to be
open and free. I'm only concerned about externalities, as it were. I don't
want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission), but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?

TIA,
Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 11:15:35 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:15:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases
Message-ID: <006801c82ebd$a10fe810$6c7aa8c0@M90>

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2217123,00.asp

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 11:31:39 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:31:39 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <001701c82ead$85dd4570$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00a201c82ebf$dfee3260$8119fea9@LTVM>

Well Rocky,
As an alternative why not buy a client-domain and host it with a low-cost
ISP (minimum costs these days)* then give your clients the ability to send
emails from within your Access package (using CDO - no email client
required). You can then build in all the paramaters into your package with
zero installation overheads (you control all the values necessary).  You
could sell this to them as "Added-Value" with/without an price.  The
activation key could be part of the Licence Code.  When turned on, they can
use it, otherwise not (nice little popup inviting them to upgrade)

You could also have client-specific web pages for each client.  Get them to
sign up to a no-spam clause and drop them from the "approved list" if they
break this.  Enhancement could be a unique selling point!

Max
* or host the domain with your own PC if it has permanent internet
connection.  Traffic would be low and easily within the capabilities of a
standard PC.  I use Abyss (v1 is free, v2 is lowcost).
Ps. You can also automat the sending of error driven emails direct to your
computers from theirs.  Imagine their surprise when you call them the next
day and say "I see you had a problem, here is the solution".


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Nov 24 11:38:52 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:38:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>	<005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c82ec0$e1f66900$8abea8c0@XPS>

Arthur,

<<I don't want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission),
but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?>> 

  Even though both are called "firewalls", the approach and what they do are
different, but there is some overlap.

  Hardware Firewalls started off with simply NAT (Network Address
Translation).  NAT "hides" your internal network from the outside world.  As
time went on hardware Firewalls gained capabilities, such as keyword
checking, URL filtering, Time restrictions, etc, but their primary focus is
handling TCP/IP communications and enabling/disabling that.  The problem is,
they typically don't check what's going on inside the communication itself
(look inside the packets).

  Software firewalls started off in the other direction; more concerned with
content.  They typically have anti-virus, spam tools, content checking, etc
built in.  And they as well have gained features over time, such as checking
ports and allowing / disallowing communications at a basic level.

  So the line has blurred quite a bit, but you still typically use a pair
because a hardware firewall is better at handling basic communications (it's
faster) and a software firewall to check content, such as preventing
personal information (ie. a phone number or credit card) from being
transmitted out.  You can buy a hardware firewall that has a lot of the
features a software firewall has, but they are expensive and the
configuration your doing is at a network wide level.  If you stick with
strictly software, then you have a performance issue.

  By splitting the difference, you get the best of both worlds.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I'm about to reveal my colossal ignorance (just in case it was not already
evident), but my question is this: given a router that already has a
firewall in it (such as LinkSys or DLink), what is gained by  adding a
software firewall to the mix? Since I live alone, but have 2 desktops, one
notebook and one server, I want traffic between everything my house to be
open and free. I'm only concerned about externalities, as it were. I don't
want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission), but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?

TIA,
Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 12:23:20 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:23:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <00a201c82ebf$dfee3260$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001701c82ead$85dd4570$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00a201c82ebf$dfee3260$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001b01c82ec7$17e5e0d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Piece of cake.  Next time you're in the neighborhood, stop by, and hook that
up for me, will you?   Weather's great, accommodations reasonable (ask
Martin). 

Actually, it sounds like a good idea.  But more responsibility (24/7) than I
think I want.  I'm a lone ranger, here.

Rocky Smolin
Not When The Surf's Up Software Company
Del Mar, California


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Well Rocky,
As an alternative why not buy a client-domain and host it with a low-cost
ISP (minimum costs these days)* then give your clients the ability to send
emails from within your Access package (using CDO - no email client
required). You can then build in all the paramaters into your package with
zero installation overheads (you control all the values necessary).  You
could sell this to them as "Added-Value" with/without an price.  The
activation key could be part of the Licence Code.  When turned on, they can
use it, otherwise not (nice little popup inviting them to upgrade)

You could also have client-specific web pages for each client.  Get them to
sign up to a no-spam clause and drop them from the "approved list" if they
break this.  Enhancement could be a unique selling point!

Max
* or host the domain with your own PC if it has permanent internet
connection.  Traffic would be low and easily within the capabilities of a
standard PC.  I use Abyss (v1 is free, v2 is lowcost).
Ps. You can also automat the sending of error driven emails direct to your
computers from theirs.  Imagine their surprise when you call them the next
day and say "I see you had a problem, here is the solution".


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 

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From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 24 13:01:32 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:01:32 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <47473C84.9000601@mvps.org>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<47473C84.9000601@mvps.org>
Message-ID: <4748750C.5070007@mvps.org>

David,

Another thought...  It would arguably be neater if you put a couple of 
unbound textboxes on the form, with control sources:
=[BsvrStartDate]+[BSVRStartTime]
=[BsvrEndDate]+[BSVREndTime]

Let's say you name these textboxes BSVRStartDateTime and BSVREndDateTime.

So then we could have:
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.[Date] + EntryLogSets.[Time]) Between " & 
CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartDateTime])  & " And " & 
CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndDateTime])

Or, assuming your code is actually running from an event within the BSVR 
form:
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.[Date] + EntryLogSets.[Time]) Between " & 
CDbl(Me.BSVRStartDateTime)  & " And " & CDbl(Me.BSVREndDateTime)

Regards
Steve


Steve Schapel wrote:
> David,
> 
> If the [Date] and [Time] fields in the table are a Date/Time data type, 
> and if the criteria controls on the form are formatted with a valid date 
> and/or time format, then I don't think you would need the CDate and 
> DateValue functions as you have used them.  I would expect (without 
> having tested) that this would work:
> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date + EntryLogSets.Time) Between (#" & 
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & "# + #" &
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime] & "#) And (#" & 
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate] "# + #" & [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime] & "#)"
> 
> I always wrap date and time criteria in CLng or CDbl to handle 
> international problem, so I would do it like this:
> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date + EntryLogSets.Time) Between (" & 
> CLng([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
> CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & ") And (" & 
> CLng([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]) 
> & ")"
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> David Emerson wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone who replied.
>>
>> The final solution was twofold.  First change the query:
>>
>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>> "WHERE (CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
>> TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))>= 
>> CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
>> TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]))) " & _
>> "And CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
>> TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))<= 
>> CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + 
>> TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]))"
>>
>>
>> Secondly, tidy up the data to remove invalid entries in the time field.
>>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 13:01:42 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:01:42 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <001b01c82ec7$17e5e0d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00a601c82ecc$74255970$8119fea9@LTVM>

>> Piece of cake.
Yes it is, probably sounds more complicated than it actually is.   Probably
a day's work for the lot.

I would love to take up your offer, but it is a long drive from England!  My
son is currently in Orangevale, CA.  Is that anywhere near you?
Would be great to see him and drop in on you.

Max
Ps. You don't have to answer the email calls 24/7, just during office hours.
Pps. 
1. Abyss is such a doddle to set up. Complete with firewall etc
2. Domain set up is done by ISP, just connect to it.  They will give you the
parameters.  Just leave you PC online 24/7 if you offer web pages, otherwise
scratch Abyss.  You can collect any error emails via a mailbox on the ISP.
3. Access you already know.

Do it Rocky - be the first kid on the block to offer this service!





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Piece of cake.  Next time you're in the neighborhood, stop by, and hook that
up for me, will you?   Weather's great, accommodations reasonable (ask
Martin). 

Actually, it sounds like a good idea.  But more responsibility (24/7) than I
think I want.  I'm a lone ranger, here.

Rocky Smolin
Not When The Surf's Up Software Company
Del Mar, California


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Well Rocky,
As an alternative why not buy a client-domain and host it with a low-cost
ISP (minimum costs these days)* then give your clients the ability to send
emails from within your Access package (using CDO - no email client
required). You can then build in all the paramaters into your package with
zero installation overheads (you control all the values necessary).  You
could sell this to them as "Added-Value" with/without an price.  The
activation key could be part of the Licence Code.  When turned on, they can
use it, otherwise not (nice little popup inviting them to upgrade)

You could also have client-specific web pages for each client.  Get them to
sign up to a no-spam clause and drop them from the "approved list" if they
break this.  Enhancement could be a unique selling point!

Max
* or host the domain with your own PC if it has permanent internet
connection.  Traffic would be low and easily within the capabilities of a
standard PC.  I use Abyss (v1 is free, v2 is lowcost).
Ps. You can also automat the sending of error driven emails direct to your
computers from theirs.  Imagine their surprise when you call them the next
day and say "I see you had a problem, here is the solution".


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 13:27:57 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:27:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <00a601c82ecc$74255970$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001b01c82ec7$17e5e0d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00a601c82ecc$74255970$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001c01c82ed0$1e65c340$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Orangevale is about 500 miles  north - near Sacramento.  We're just North of
San Diego, about 35 miles from the Mexico border

Rocky



 	
	

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max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

>> Piece of cake.
Yes it is, probably sounds more complicated than it actually is.   Probably
a day's work for the lot.

I would love to take up your offer, but it is a long drive from England!  My
son is currently in Orangevale, CA.  Is that anywhere near you?
Would be great to see him and drop in on you.

Max
Ps. You don't have to answer the email calls 24/7, just during office hours.
Pps. 
1. Abyss is such a doddle to set up. Complete with firewall etc 2. Domain
set up is done by ISP, just connect to it.  They will give you the
parameters.  Just leave you PC online 24/7 if you offer web pages, otherwise
scratch Abyss.  You can collect any error emails via a mailbox on the ISP.
3. Access you already know.

Do it Rocky - be the first kid on the block to offer this service!





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Piece of cake.  Next time you're in the neighborhood, stop by, and hook that
up for me, will you?   Weather's great, accommodations reasonable (ask
Martin). 

Actually, it sounds like a good idea.  But more responsibility (24/7) than I
think I want.  I'm a lone ranger, here.

Rocky Smolin
Not When The Surf's Up Software Company
Del Mar, California


 	
	

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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Well Rocky,
As an alternative why not buy a client-domain and host it with a low-cost
ISP (minimum costs these days)* then give your clients the ability to send
emails from within your Access package (using CDO - no email client
required). You can then build in all the paramaters into your package with
zero installation overheads (you control all the values necessary).  You
could sell this to them as "Added-Value" with/without an price.  The
activation key could be part of the Licence Code.  When turned on, they can
use it, otherwise not (nice little popup inviting them to upgrade)

You could also have client-specific web pages for each client.  Get them to
sign up to a no-spam clause and drop them from the "approved list" if they
break this.  Enhancement could be a unique selling point!

Max
* or host the domain with your own PC if it has permanent internet
connection.  Traffic would be low and easily within the capabilities of a
standard PC.  I use Abyss (v1 is free, v2 is lowcost).
Ps. You can also automat the sending of error driven emails direct to your
computers from theirs.  Imagine their surprise when you call them the next
day and say "I see you had a problem, here is the solution".


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 25 13:55:42 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:55:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases
In-Reply-To: <006801c82ebd$a10fe810$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <006801c82ebd$a10fe810$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <192DFB7E988C405D89493E215F7168E1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Very interesting article John

Jim

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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2217123,00.asp

John W. Colby
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From paulrster at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 14:14:15 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:14:15 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
Message-ID: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an old
database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be possible to
import it into Access?

Cheers all 

paul 

 
 
 

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 14:52:06 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:52:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com>

See this: http://www.millenniacorp.com/Expressware/InfoFileExpress.htm

On 11/25/07, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an old
> database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be possible to
> import it into Access?
>
> Cheers all
>
> paul
>
>
>
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From paulrster at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 15:28:58 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:28:58 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c82faa$3244bad0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

Thanks, Arthur, but I got the impression that the site was abandoned some
time back.  

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 25 November 2007 20:52
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

See this: http://www.millenniacorp.com/Expressware/InfoFileExpress.htm

On 11/25/07, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an 
> old database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be 
> possible to import it into Access?
>
> Cheers all
>
> paul
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 15:39:56 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:39:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <000f01c82faa$3244bad0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<000f01c82faa$3244bad0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711251339v66d5943eye7dfc5dd4af63d1d@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think so.

On 11/25/07, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Arthur, but I got the impression that the site was abandoned some
> time back.
>


From paulrster at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 15:53:11 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:53:11 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711251339v66d5943eye7dfc5dd4af63d1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO><29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com><000f01c82faa$3244bad0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<29f585dd0711251339v66d5943eye7dfc5dd4af63d1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001c82fad$938abd50$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

They seem to have become involved in family trees with the latest offering.
Is there a way to import DOS files from a program like File Express into
Access, do you think, Arthur? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 25 November 2007 21:40
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

I don't think so.

On 11/25/07, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Arthur, but I got the impression that the site was abandoned 
> some time back.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 15:55:50 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:55:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If you can't import it directly, you might be able to use a third program --  
look for a product that's supported by both File Express and Access and use 
it as a go-between if you have to.

If nothing else, you might export the FE data to a delimited text file.

Susan H.


> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an old
> database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be possible to
> import it into Access?



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 17:57:35 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:57:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
Message-ID: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I don't think there's a querydef-type object in ADO, is there? 

Susan H. 


From nd500_lo at charter.net  Sun Nov 25 18:42:37 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:42:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c82fc5$3e24efd0$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

Excel might do the trick, too...have used it several times with legacy
stuff... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

If you can't import it directly, you might be able to use a third program --
look for a product that's supported by both File Express and Access and use
it as a go-between if you have to.

If nothing else, you might export the FE data to a delimited text file.

Susan H.


> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an 
> old database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be 
> possible to import it into Access?

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 18:50:57 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:50:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
Message-ID: <118699.93917.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nope. That's the one thing that keeps me using the DAO.
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:57:35 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ADO

I don't think there's a querydef-type object in ADO, is there? 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 19:02:54 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:02:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <118699.93917.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001701c82fc8$15c81d20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Yeah, that's what I thought. I seldom have need to reference a fixed query, 
so I never can remember. Thanks!

Susan H.


> Nope. That's the one thing that keeps me using the DAO.
>
> May God bless you beyond your imagination!
> Lonnie Johnson
> ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 19:29:22 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:29:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
Message-ID: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I'm using the following statement to retrieve the description properties for 
query fields:

SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")

As long as there's a description, it works fine. An empty property returns 
the error "property not found"

I've tried a Resume Next error statement, but VBA acts like it isn't even 
there and still returns the error.

I've tried numerous ways to avoid or capture it, and nothing's worked.

As far as I know, Description isn't user-defined and I think VBA's just 
returning one of its many, famous erroneous error messages that aren't so 
terribly helpful. However, you'd think Resume Next would ignore it, but it 
doesn't seem to.

Anyone seen anything like this before?

I haven't tried a real error handling routine because I'd hoped to avoid 
doing so if there was an easier solution.

Susan H. 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov 25 23:35:44 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:35:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
In-Reply-To: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <005a01c82fee$31357cd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

How about SetFieldDescription =  Nz( fld.Properties("Description"))?

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:29 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error

I'm using the following statement to retrieve the description properties for
query fields:

SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")

As long as there's a description, it works fine. An empty property returns
the error "property not found"

I've tried a Resume Next error statement, but VBA acts like it isn't even
there and still returns the error.

I've tried numerous ways to avoid or capture it, and nothing's worked.

As far as I know, Description isn't user-defined and I think VBA's just
returning one of its many, famous erroneous error messages that aren't so
terribly helpful. However, you'd think Resume Next would ignore it, but it
doesn't seem to.

Anyone seen anything like this before?

I haven't tried a real error handling routine because I'd hoped to avoid
doing so if there was an easier solution.

Susan H. 

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From paulrster at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 00:36:12 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:36:12 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <002901c82ff6$a47042e0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

Thanks, Susan H. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 25 November 2007 21:56
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

If you can't import it directly, you might be able to use a third program --
look for a product that's supported by both File Express and Access and use
it as a go-between if you have to.

If nothing else, you might export the FE data to a delimited text file.

Susan H.


> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an 
> old database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be 
> possible to import it into Access?

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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 26 00:43:53 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:13:53 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>

Susan,

    On Error Resume Next is found to work smoothly at my end. Sample subroutine named P_ListQryFieldDescr() is given below. It outputs only those fields where description property is not blank.

    If you are interested in listing all fields and show description where available (otherwise N.A.), sample subroutine named P_ListQryFieldDescr_A() as given below, will do the needful.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

'====================================
Sub P_ListQryFieldDescr(QryName As String)
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim qdf As QueryDef, fd As Field
    
    Set qdf = CurrentDb.QueryDefs(QryName)
    
    For Each fd In qdf.Fields
        Debug.Print fd.Name & " - (" & _
                    fd.Properties("Description") & ")"
    Next
    
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set qdf = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'------------------------------------------------------

Sub P_ListQryFieldDescr_A(QryName As String)
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim qdf As QueryDef, fd As Field
    Dim Txt As String
    
    Set qdf = CurrentDb.QueryDefs(QryName)
    
    For Each fd In qdf.Fields
        Err.Clear
        Txt = fd.Properties("Description")
        If Err.Number = 0 Then
            Debug.Print fd.Name & " - (" & _
                    fd.Properties("Description") & ")"
        Else
            Debug.Print fd.Name & " - (N.A.)"
        End If
    Next
    
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set qdf = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 06:59
  Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error


  I'm using the following statement to retrieve the description properties for 
  query fields:

  SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")

  As long as there's a description, it works fine. An empty property returns 
  the error "property not found"

  I've tried a Resume Next error statement, but VBA acts like it isn't even 
  there and still returns the error.

  I've tried numerous ways to avoid or capture it, and nothing's worked.

  As far as I know, Description isn't user-defined and I think VBA's just 
  returning one of its many, famous erroneous error messages that aren't so 
  terribly helpful. However, you'd think Resume Next would ignore it, but it 
  doesn't seem to.

  Anyone seen anything like this before?

  I haven't tried a real error handling routine because I'd hoped to avoid 
  doing so if there was an easier solution.

  Susan H. 

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 03:15:03 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:15:03 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
In-Reply-To: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <001601c8300c$d500cf40$8119fea9@LTVM>

Function xProp()
  'SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")
  On Error GoTo errhandler
  ' property 'DESCRIPTION' for a FIELD does not exist unless user creates it
and it is creatable!
  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, tbldef As DAO.TableDef, fld As Field, prp As
Property
  Dim strDescription As String
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  Set tbldef = dbs.TableDefs("Explains")
  For Each fld In tbldef.Fields
    For Each prp In fld.Properties
      If prp.Name = "Description" Then
        strDescription = prp.Value
      End If
    Next prp
  Next fld
exithere:
  Set dbs = Nothing: Set tbldef = Nothing: Set fld = Nothing: Set prp =
Nothing
  Exit Function
errhandler:
  Select Case Err.Number
    Case 3219, 3267, 3251 ' invalid operation type errors
      If prp.Name = "Description" Then
      ' You should never arrive here because the prp.name of 'Description'
does not exist if it not creatable.
        strDescription = fld.Name & " " & prp.Name & " No Description Held"
        MsgBox strDescription
      End If
      Resume Next
    Case Else
      MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description
  End Select
  Resume exithere
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:29 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error

I'm using the following statement to retrieve the description properties for
query fields:

SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")

As long as there's a description, it works fine. An empty property returns
the error "property not found"

I've tried a Resume Next error statement, but VBA acts like it isn't even
there and still returns the error.

I've tried numerous ways to avoid or capture it, and nothing's worked.

As far as I know, Description isn't user-defined and I think VBA's just
returning one of its many, famous erroneous error messages that aren't so
terribly helpful. However, you'd think Resume Next would ignore it, but it
doesn't seem to.

Anyone seen anything like this before?

I haven't tried a real error handling routine because I'd hoped to avoid
doing so if there was an easier solution.

Susan H. 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Nov 26 09:42:29 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:42:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al><000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1> 
	<00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>


I was off the last four days so I am late adding my two cents.
Nevertheless I feel compelled to say that this list has been
particularly valuable to this non-IT accounting type. As the sole VBA
user in the company there are no in house gurus. Consequently, over the
last ten years or so (10 years?!) this group has helped me elevate my
game and saved my rear countless times. I also very much enjoy the true
international nature of this group. I take comfort in the fact that in a
world with so many nasty disagreements there are places where
professionals from every continent can collaborate successfully. Thanks
to all.

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

Thanks for expressing it so well.  The strange thing is that we all feel
the
same way.  Individually we each know a little or a lot, but together we
are
more than the sum.  

Happy Thanksgiving to all of the Americans, and the same feelings go out
to
the other list members.  Thanks for being there, my life would be very
different without you guys and gals.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 09:58:41 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <002b01c83045$38cd1460$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>    On Error Resume Next is found to work smoothly at my end. Sample 
> subroutine named P_ListQryFieldDescr() is given below. It outputs only 
> those fields where description property is not blank.

======I will try it on another system -- there is so much wrong with this 
one, that I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Access and VBA aren't 
working properly either.

Susan H. 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 26 10:09:38 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:09:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <004301c83046$bef83280$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:

Does the code:

    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide

have to appear in each form, or just called once from the opening form?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Rocky,

    A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named
CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in
Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in
NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K &
2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

Code in form's module - A2K7
(Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
========================================
Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
========================================

    The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in
NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane can
get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution
of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007
to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent
object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active
form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form
itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with
hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

    Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the
NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other
object like table or query should be in open state.

    It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object in
NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank
Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the
group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object,
it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not
already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from
effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves
satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

    Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective
hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all
object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is meant
for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant for
hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in
Access 2003).

    It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open state.
It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk hiding/
unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in this
state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample universal code in form's module - Access 2007 (for hiding / un-hiding
NavPane window) '====================================
' Declarations section
' Comma separated list of form names
' already in hidden state (so that these ' do not get un-hidden along with
others) ' Note - This list gets generated automatically Private
HiddenFormsList As String
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdHide_Click()
    ' Hide all open forms & reports so that with
    ' statement (A) focus stays on NavPane even
    ' when no object is on display (e.g. all NavPane
    ' groups are in collapsed state)
    P_HideAllOpenFormsReports
    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True               ' (A)
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
    
    ' Unhide all open forms and reports (other than
    ' forms deliberately kept hidden).
    ' Activate this form
    P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_HideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    HiddenFormsList = ""        ' Default
    ' Hide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            ' Update list of deliberately hidden forms
            If frm.Visible = False Then
                HiddenFormsList = _
                    HiddenFormsList & "," & frm.Name
            End If
            frm.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Hide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    ' UnHide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            If InStr(HiddenFormsList, frm.Name) > 0 Then
            Else
                frm.Visible = True
            End If
        Next
    End If
    
    ' UnHide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = True
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Activate this form
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, Me.Name, False
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:50
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  Dear List:
   
  A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
  on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
  don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
  something new in A2007?
   
  Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
  running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
  code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
   
  MTIA,
   
  Rocky
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 10:32:41 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:32:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

There is a query object in ADOX, but why do you ask?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:58 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADO

I don't think there's a querydef-type object in ADO, is there? 

Susan H. 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 10:35:56 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:35:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
	<00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com>

>> I also very much enjoy the true
international nature of this group. I take comfort in the fact that in a
world with so many nasty disagreements there are places where
professionals from every continent can collaborate successfully. Thanks
to all.

Wow! You said it all. I feel that I've made friends with people on every
continent except maybe Antarctica, and who knows, someone among us may hail
from there and just hasn't bothered yet to hail.
Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you know
how effort that takes! LOL.

Arthur


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:04:15 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:04:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> There is a query object in ADOX, but why do you ask?

Charlotte, I checked the ADOX OM before asking -- I knew there was a Table 
object and I found a View object, but not query object. Did I miss it or 
does the View object include an Access query object? I thought that was 
perhaps the case, but didn't see it mentioned in any of the documentation I 
read.

Susan H. 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:25:44 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:25:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711260925rdc234b1g272a5ca855312ad0@mail.gmail.com>

Like, Susan, that's like, because you are, like, the chief documenter of all
this. More cereally, ADOX refers to queries as View because that's how the
big boys (SQL) refer to them. If you wish, I can send you a few procedures
that use ADOX to list all the objects of any specified type.

Arthur

On 11/26/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > There is a query object in ADOX, but why do you ask?
>
> Charlotte, I checked the ADOX OM before asking -- I knew there was a Table
> object and I found a View object, but not query object. Did I miss it or
> does the View object include an Access query object? I thought that was
> perhaps the case, but didn't see it mentioned in any of the documentation
> I
> read.
>
> Susan H.
>


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 09:45:02 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:45:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBB0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ok, I want to be Greg House (I walked with a cane for a few months! ;)
)!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved.
;)

Susan H.


>
> I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
> grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years,
through
> some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to
even
> know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
> needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe
all 
> of
> you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I
have
> accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You
are,
> individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being
here...Happy
> Thanksgiving!
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 11:35:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:35:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1><00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90><EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>
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Message-ID: <004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>

>Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you know
how effort that takes! LOL.

OK, share your secret!

;-)


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

>> I also very much enjoy the true
international nature of this group. I take comfort in the fact that in a
world with so many nasty disagreements there are places where professionals
from every continent can collaborate successfully. Thanks to all.

Wow! You said it all. I feel that I've made friends with people on every
continent except maybe Antarctica, and who knows, someone among us may hail
from there and just hasn't bothered yet to hail.
Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you know
how effort that takes! LOL.

Arthur
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 10:05:21 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:05:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases
In-Reply-To: <006801c82ebd$a10fe810$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBBD@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Wow...making a server side database directly open to the web is the
virtual equivalent to putting your companies file cabinets out on a
public street.  Just plain crazy!

Drew

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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2217123,00.asp

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 10:09:05 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:09:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Just curious, what do you need one for?

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:58 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADO

I don't think there's a querydef-type object in ADO, is there? 

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 10:09:50 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:09:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <001701c82fc8$15c81d20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO

Yeah, that's what I thought. I seldom have need to reference a fixed
query, 
so I never can remember. Thanks!

Susan H.


> Nope. That's the one thing that keeps me using the DAO.
>
> May God bless you beyond your imagination!
> Lonnie Johnson
> ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:41:57 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:41:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
	<00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>
	<29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com>
	<004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711260941l6361727bg21ff9655d05e1038@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, the shareware version does not cover this plan.

On 11/26/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you
> know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> OK, share your secret!
>
> ;-)
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 26 11:48:38 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:48:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
In-Reply-To: <016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <56A8B254D93E468A91B03443645232F4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

> On Error Resume Next

Now that is cheating... but it sure is a time saver and that one line of
code can negate 20 lines of code. (Use it myself... ) Jim

Jim



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:53:44 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<29f585dd0711260925rdc234b1g272a5ca855312ad0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c83055$4b8fae40$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If you wish, I can send you a few procedures
> that use ADOX to list all the objects of any specified type.

======Might as well send them to the entire group -- I'm sure I won't be the 
only one who's interested.

I've used ADOX before, but I don't use it often enough to remember 
everything -- I just look it up when I need it. I've never used it to 
reference a fixed query.

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:54:57 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:54:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <003301c83055$a586fde0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> Just curious, what do you need one for?

Cycling through query field properties. 

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:55:26 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:55:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:56:16 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:56:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne><016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>
	<56A8B254D93E468A91B03443645232F4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <003701c83055$a6de5080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



>> On Error Resume Next
>
> Now that is cheating... but it sure is a time saver and that one line of
> code can negate 20 lines of code. (Use it myself... ) Jim

======I use it a lot. I find it much preferable and inefficient when the 
error just needs to be ignored rather than captured and reported.

Susan H. 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 09:47:03 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:47:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <200711222153.lAMLrMSV009754@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBB2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Nerd mates?  When I was in the Navy, the term was shipmates....ugh, that
one made my skin crawl.  Nerd mates isn't too bad though, I'm more of a
nerd then a ship!  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

Here here 

And so say all of us

My wife even knows some of regular names on this list - And she doesn't
even
have 'pewta' skills - I often talk about the victories that come from
this list
with her
She'll see me smacking the monitor about the 'ears' in frustration and
will say
- "Send an email to your nerd mates"
(That's her very sincere - tongue in cheek term for the team - Knowing
how much
I truly rely on you guys)
Here in Oz we don't do thanksgiving - But I am very very grateful to
this list
and the 'nerds' on it - And to the friendships that have come from it
Many many thanks

DD
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 11:59:35 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:59:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1><00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90><EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local><29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com>
	<004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002201c83056$1c774b80$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

JC

...there is no secret ...nor any real effort required ...just kneel and all 
will be well.
...btw, Arthur makes a very nice supplicant :)

William ...exiting stage left.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving


> >Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you 
> >know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> OK, share your secret!
>
> ;-)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
>
>>> I also very much enjoy the true
> international nature of this group. I take comfort in the fact that in a
> world with so many nasty disagreements there are places where 
> professionals
> from every continent can collaborate successfully. Thanks to all.
>
> Wow! You said it all. I feel that I've made friends with people on every
> continent except maybe Antarctica, and who knows, someone among us may 
> hail
> from there and just hasn't bothered yet to hail.
> Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you 
> know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> Arthur
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 09:51:49 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:51:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBB3@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Sorry to chime in here late, but if these are true date/time fields,
then you need to add them, not 'join' them.  In a date/time field, the
data is stored as a double, the integer portion is the date, the decimal
portion is the time.  To join a date and time together, you just add
them.  Joining them like text requires that they are represented by text
(which is more work, because you are converting from numbers to text,
then back to numbers)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time

Group,

Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)

I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate 
date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets 
of dates like so:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"

This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records 
that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with 
putting the two fields together into a single date/time.  Here is my
code:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" & 
CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"

An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.

The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query 
expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a 
problem when I add the times.

How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for comparison?


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 12:04:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:04:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <002201c83056$1c774b80$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1><00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90><EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local><29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com><004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<002201c83056$1c774b80$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <004101c83056$c98ad9e0$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  You have come a long ways from the early days, as have we all.
Kneeling is not likely however. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

JC

...there is no secret ...nor any real effort required ...just kneel and all
will be well.
...btw, Arthur makes a very nice supplicant :)

William ...exiting stage left.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving


> >Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you 
> >know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> OK, share your secret!
>
> ;-)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 12:24:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:24:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
Message-ID: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>

Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the install, with the
old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
than the old router.

I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the far end of
the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!

I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that.  Thus I
can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
business firewall (the old wireless router).

The hoops we jump through.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From robert at webedb.com  Mon Nov 26 12:45:34 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:45:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5729.1196098608.29181.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.5729.1196098608.29181.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200711261849.lAQInjc6011233@databaseadvisors.com>

My guess is that there is an export capability
within it. Export it to comma delimited files.

At 11:36 AM 11/26/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:53:11 -0000
>From: "paulr" <paulrster at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <001001c82fad$938abd50$6401a8c0 at PAULSLENOVO>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>They seem to have become involved in family trees with the latest offering.
>Is there a way to import DOS files from a program like File Express into
>Access, do you think, Arthur?




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 26 12:58:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

John:

I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years.  Same problem -
weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.

I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102).  They're
rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
plug and play.  It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.


So no more wireless.


Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the install, with the
old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
than the old router.

I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the far end of
the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!

I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that.  Thus I
can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
business firewall (the old wireless router).

The hoops we jump through.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 12:58:41 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E82@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Just for fun, here's an old routine I built to create a query using ADO:

'Sample call:

'CreateQuery "c:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb", _
'   "SELECT Products.* FROM Products WHERE Products.CategoryID=1;", _
'   "AllBeverages"

Sub CreateQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strSQL As String, _
                strQryName As String)
   'Created by Charlotte Foust
   'Appends a new view to the specified database
   'from the SQL string passed
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command
    
   'instantiate the objects 
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
 
   'Define a Command object to contain the query's 
   'SQL.   
   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command  

   'Open the catalog.  
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 12:46:19 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:46:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CC18@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I don't see why not..... 

I'll take a look in a second.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 13:01:29 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:01:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
for this?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 13:02:40 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:02:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
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At my age, kneeling is becoming nearly IMPOSSIBLE!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

LOL.  You have come a long ways from the early days, as have we all.
Kneeling is not likely however. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

JC

...there is no secret ...nor any real effort required ...just kneel and
all will be well.
...btw, Arthur makes a very nice supplicant :)

William ...exiting stage left.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving


> >Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and 
> >you know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> OK, share your secret!
>
> ;-)
>



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 12:51:46 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:51:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CC1F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Using plain old ADO, with a recordset object lets you see a lot of field
properties, but I didn't see Description there....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 13:15:20 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:15:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
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Charlotte, I'm just trying to use that technique we wrote about years ago --  
using the query field Description property. I'm using it differently, but 
like I said -- works fine until I run into a query field that doesn't have a 
Description property setting.

However, I'm going to try it on another system. This one really does behave 
badly anymore. I can't trust that what's happening isn't just something 
that's broke, especially since A.D. said Resume Next worked fine for him.

Susan H.



> The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
> properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
> for this?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO
>
>
>> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.
>
> =====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing.
>
> Susan H.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 26 14:06:03 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:06:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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Are you talking about the query definition object?

Like: 
Dim qdf1 As QueryDef

The object allows you to check whether a query exists, delete, add or modify
a query as well as view all the properties. Am I missing something?
 
Jim

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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> There is a query object in ADOX, but why do you ask?

Charlotte, I checked the ADOX OM before asking -- I knew there was a Table 
object and I found a View object, but not query object. Did I miss it or 
does the View object include an Access query object? I thought that was 
perhaps the case, but didn't see it mentioned in any of the documentation I 
read.

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:21:09 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:21:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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> Are you talking about the query definition object?
>
> Like:
> Dim qdf1 As QueryDef
>
> The object allows you to check whether a query exists, delete, add or 
> modify
> a query as well as view all the properties. Am I missing something?

=====That's it, and yes, it works -- just wondering if there was an ADO 
equivalent.

Susan H. 



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 26 14:35:24 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:35:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <200711262036.lAQKaWRq007106@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Paul,
Hopefully you have access to the program and can use the built in export
feature (Fixed Length, Lotus and dBase formats). If not you can still
purchase File Express 6 and upgrade the data to it and then export it.
https://www.legacyfamilytree.net/Expressware/Order.htm

HTH
John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of paulr
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an old
database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be possible to
import it into Access?

Cheers all 

paul 

 
 
 




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 14:41:31 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:41:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003101c83060$b2000ac0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Hmmn.  There is a description property, but it isn't available until you
create it (go figure), if I remember correctly.  I know I built that
played with the description property years ago, but even in DAO I don't
think it's there until you create it once and append it to the
properties of the object.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO

Charlotte, I'm just trying to use that technique we wrote about years
ago -- using the query field Description property. I'm using it
differently, but like I said -- works fine until I run into a query
field that doesn't have a Description property setting.

However, I'm going to try it on another system. This one really does
behave badly anymore. I can't trust that what's happening isn't just
something that's broke, especially since A.D. said Resume Next worked
fine for him.

Susan H.





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:44:14 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:44:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
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References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap linxus wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I also use it outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of house)and I have gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little slower there).  Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and printing.  

I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?

Mark A. Matte


> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John:
>
> I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same problem -
> weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
>
> I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). They're
> rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
> plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.
>
>
> So no more wireless.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
> bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
> signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
> I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically because
> Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
> I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, with the
> old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
> poorer reception via this new router in her office. However if I take her
> laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
> strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
> than the old router.
>
> I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
> to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room at the far end of
> the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
> there. I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
> below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
> down to it. Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
> connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home. Yuk!
>
> I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
> parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
> behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that. Thus I
> can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
> to my internal (business) LAN. The original router will talk to the
> internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
> new router. All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
> all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
> business firewall (the old wireless router).
>
> The hoops we jump through.
>
> John W. Colby
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:45:37 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:45:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
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> Hmmn.  There is a description property, but it isn't available until you
> create it (go figure), if I remember correctly.  I know I built that
> played with the description property years ago, but even in DAO I don't
> think it's there until you create it once and append it to the
> properties of the object.

=======That may be the case if you don't actually use the property via the 
properties window -- and that would explain the problem, although I think 
it's strange.

Susan H. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 14:46:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:46:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
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References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <005d01c8306d$62ce87d0$647aa8c0@M90>

Rocky,

I am definitely looking at this, however I have had a bad experience with
power line transmission.  I have an "intercom" system which is supposed to
send the voice over the AC wiring.  It works, except that it will not send
from this circuit to that circuit etc.  I had the same issue with that same
system back in CT.  It seems the issue is the circuits in the breaker panel.
This is a physically big house, with a new addition and the original house,
plus I installed a generator and pulled some circuits into a dedicated
breaker box for the generator etc.  That Rangemax system costs just enough
that I don't want to try it. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

John:

I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years.  Same problem -
weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.

I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102).  They're
rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
plug and play.  It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.


So no more wireless.


Rocky



 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the install, with the
old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
than the old router.

I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the far end of
the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!

I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that.  Thus I
can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
business firewall (the old wireless router).

The hoops we jump through.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov 26 14:56:02 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:56:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
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Thanks for the explanation Drew - it is always nice to know why I am 
doing something :-)

At 27/11/2007, you wrote:
>Sorry to chime in here late, but if these are true date/time fields,
>then you need to add them, not 'join' them.  In a date/time field, the
>data is stored as a double, the integer portion is the date, the decimal
>portion is the time.  To join a date and time together, you just add
>them.  Joining them like text requires that they are represented by text
>(which is more work, because you are converting from numbers to text,
>then back to numbers)
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
>Group,
>
>Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
>
>I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
>date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets
>of dates like so:
>
>DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
>
>This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records
>that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with
>putting the two fields together into a single date/time.  Here is my
>code:
>
>DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>"WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
>CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
>
>An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
>
>The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
>expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
>problem when I add the times.
>
>How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for comparison?
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 14:54:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
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I do believe that is part of the problem.  Another part is simply the mass
of metal from all the computers in my office.  I really need to get the
routers physically away from all my computer cases.  I can have the antenna
router under the table and the signal strength will be abysmal.  Pick the
antenna up and place it on the table and it improves a LOT.  What I really
need is a router with a couple of antennas, and a couple of Cantennas to aim
directly at where I want to use the laptop.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap linxus
wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I also use it
outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of house)and I have
gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little slower there).
Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and printing.  

I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi
level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?

Mark A. Matte


> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John:
>
> I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same 
> problem - weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
>
> I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). 
> They're rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless 
> security issue, plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and uses
you house wiring.
>
>
> So no more wireless.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which 
> have a bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up 
> the strongest signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers
(mostly laptops).
> I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically 
> because Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor
reception.
> I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, 
> with the old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, 
> or slightly poorer reception via this new router in her office. 
> However if I take her laptop on out to the dining room at the far end 
> of the house, the signal strength is definitely higher, by about 6db 
> on average and sometimes more, than the old router.
>
> I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb 
> wireless to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room at 
> the far end of the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much 
> better reception down there. I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down 
> in the bedroom directly below my office, and am buying a bridge to put 
> on it to get the wireless down to it. Currently I am running a cable 
> down the stairs and manually connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to
phone home. Yuk!
>
> I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new 
> one "in parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch 
> immediately behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in 
> to that. Thus I can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to 
> the internet, but not to my internal (business) LAN. The original 
> router will talk to the internet as well but will have its firewall 
> between the internal LAN and the new router. All of the Tivos and my 
> wife's laptop and my son's laptop will all talk to the internet 
> through the new router and not be behind the business firewall (the old
wireless router).
>
> The hoops we jump through.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Mon Nov 26 15:08:47 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:08:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <005d01c8306d$62ce87d0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPGEGEFEAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I find your problems with the house wiring interesting.  I could see a
problem if the circuits are on different phases (assuming the system used
the hot wires).  Or if the electrician wired stuff backwards (landed the hot
on the neutral terminal of the outlet).

I don't know how it works, but I would assume it would use the neutral as it
is the only constant in the system.  I'd say you've got some voltage feeding
back onto your neutral or you have something wired incorrectly.

This technology obviously works as there are HUGE areas using BPL as their
internet service.  Only difference is getting around transformers.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:46 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> I am definitely looking at this, however I have had a bad experience with
> power line transmission.  I have an "intercom" system which is supposed to
> send the voice over the AC wiring.  It works, except that it will not send
> from this circuit to that circuit etc.  I had the same issue with
> that same
> system back in CT.  It seems the issue is the circuits in the
> breaker panel.
> This is a physically big house, with a new addition and the
> original house,
> plus I installed a generator and pulled some circuits into a dedicated
> breaker box for the generator etc.  That Rangemax system costs just enough
> that I don't want to try it.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John:
>
> I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years.  Same problem -
> weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
>
> I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge
> (XE102).  They're
> rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
> plug and play.  It's like a hard wired connection and uses you
> house wiring.
>
>
> So no more wireless.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
> bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
> signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers
> (mostly laptops).
> I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
> Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor
> reception.
> I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the
> install, with the
> old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
> poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
> laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
> strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
> than the old router.
>
> I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
> to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the
> far end of
> the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
> there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
> below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
> down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
> connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!
>
> I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the
> new one "in
> parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
> behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to
> that.  Thus I
> can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the
> internet, but not
> to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
> internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal
> LAN and the
> new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's
> laptop will
> all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
> business firewall (the old wireless router).
>
> The hoops we jump through.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 26 15:17:48 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:17:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <200711262036.lAQKaWRq007106@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200711262119.lAQLIvdk032192@databaseadvisors.com>

Oh, BTW, Yes I remember it :o)

There was a fellow I knew that used it exclusively back in the 90s. 




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 17:10:54 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:10:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071126205318.HVLF17371.fep04.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CCB4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

No problem, glad you resolved it already.

Just an FYI, one handy trick with a query is that you can 'replace' a
table with it.  For example:

If you have a table called tblSomething with a Date field and a Time
field, you can rename your table to tblSomethingActual then build a
query named tblSomething with this:

SELECT *, DateField + TimeField AS CompleteDateTime FROM
tblSomethingActual 

By renaming the original table to something else, and naming the query
to the original table name, everything that used to use that table will
now use the query, and now that unified field is available for that
'table'.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time

Thanks for the explanation Drew - it is always nice to know why I am 
doing something :-)

At 27/11/2007, you wrote:
>Sorry to chime in here late, but if these are true date/time fields,
>then you need to add them, not 'join' them.  In a date/time field, the
>data is stored as a double, the integer portion is the date, the
decimal
>portion is the time.  To join a date and time together, you just add
>them.  Joining them like text requires that they are represented by
text
>(which is more work, because you are converting from numbers to text,
>then back to numbers)
>
>Drew
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 26 17:14:44 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:14:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
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	<005e01c8306e$8a7469c0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000601c83082$22027fd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I think that was part of my problem as well.  There's a microwave and a
refrigerator between the router and the wireless access point in my wife's
office. I even put a repeater in between at one point - no soap.  The
plug-ins are totally stable.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

I do believe that is part of the problem.  Another part is simply the mass
of metal from all the computers in my office.  I really need to get the
routers physically away from all my computer cases.  I can have the antenna
router under the table and the signal strength will be abysmal.  Pick the
antenna up and place it on the table and it improves a LOT.  What I really
need is a router with a couple of antennas, and a couple of Cantennas to aim
directly at where I want to use the laptop.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap linxus
wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I also use it
outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of house)and I have
gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little slower there).
Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and printing.  

I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi
level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?

Mark A. Matte


> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John:
>
> I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same 
> problem - weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
>
> I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). 
> They're rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless 
> security issue, plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and uses
you house wiring.
>
>
> So no more wireless.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which 
> have a bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up 
> the strongest signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers
(mostly laptops).
> I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically 
> because Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor
reception.
> I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, 
> with the old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, 
> or slightly poorer reception via this new router in her office. 
> However if I take her laptop on out to the dining room at the far end 
> of the house, the signal strength is definitely higher, by about 6db 
> on average and sometimes more, than the old router.
>
> I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb 
> wireless to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room at 
> the far end of the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much 
> better reception down there. I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down 
> in the bedroom directly below my office, and am buying a bridge to put 
> on it to get the wireless down to it. Currently I am running a cable 
> down the stairs and manually connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to
phone home. Yuk!
>
> I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new 
> one "in parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch 
> immediately behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in 
> to that. Thus I can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to 
> the internet, but not to my internal (business) LAN. The original 
> router will talk to the internet as well but will have its firewall 
> between the internal LAN and the new router. All of the Tivos and my 
> wife's laptop and my son's laptop will all talk to the internet 
> through the new router and not be behind the business firewall (the old
wireless router).
>
> The hoops we jump through.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov 26 17:28:21 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:28:21 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works
Message-ID: <200711262328.lAQNSI0E009091@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

Cross posted to DBASQL

 

>From an Access 2003 APP - I use a command line - built from a string - to spark
up Query Analyser

It used to work - Now it no longer works - I get the error

 

[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]SQLServer does not exist or
access is denied

When I click OK - I get another error message.

Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]ConnectionOpen (Connect())

 

The general syntax I use to spark up QA is.

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\Binn\isqlw.exe"  -S MyServer -d
MydB -E

This has worked in the past and just 'stopped' in the last few days - not sure
why

 

I did delete all my old - no longer used - DSN's form the DSN folder - That's
all I can recall

(I have since recreated a few - still no joy)

 

Any clues? - Many thanks in advance

 

Darren

 



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov 26 17:37:15 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:37:15 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CCB4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi .net>
References: <20071126205318.HVLF17371.fep04.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CCB4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <20071126233530.VDLZ18083.fep03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Good tip - I'll add that to my bag of tricks.

David

At 27/11/2007, you wrote:
>No problem, glad you resolved it already.
>
>Just an FYI, one handy trick with a query is that you can 'replace' a
>table with it.  For example:
>
>If you have a table called tblSomething with a Date field and a Time
>field, you can rename your table to tblSomethingActual then build a
>query named tblSomething with this:
>
>SELECT *, DateField + TimeField AS CompleteDateTime FROM
>tblSomethingActual
>
>By renaming the original table to something else, and naming the query
>to the original table name, everything that used to use that table will
>now use the query, and now that unified field is available for that
>'table'.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:56 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
>Thanks for the explanation Drew - it is always nice to know why I am
>doing something :-)
>
>At 27/11/2007, you wrote:
> >Sorry to chime in here late, but if these are true date/time fields,
> >then you need to add them, not 'join' them.  In a date/time field, the
> >data is stored as a double, the integer portion is the date, the
>decimal
> >portion is the time.  To join a date and time together, you just add
> >them.  Joining them like text requires that they are represented by
>text
> >(which is more work, because you are converting from numbers to text,
> >then back to numbers)
> >
> >Drew
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 17:45:29 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:45:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works
In-Reply-To: <200711262328.lAQNSI0E009091@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200711262328.lAQNSI0E009091@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EB3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

And which version of SQL Server are you using?  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works

Hi All

 

Cross posted to DBASQL

 

>From an Access 2003 APP - I use a command line - built from a string - 
>to spark
up Query Analyser

It used to work - Now it no longer works - I get the error

 

[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]SQLServer does not
exist or access is denied

When I click OK - I get another error message.

Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]ConnectionOpen
(Connect())

 

The general syntax I use to spark up QA is.

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\Binn\isqlw.exe"  -S
MyServer -d MydB -E

This has worked in the past and just 'stopped' in the last few days -
not sure why

 

I did delete all my old - no longer used - DSN's form the DSN folder -
That's all I can recall

(I have since recreated a few - still no joy)

 

Any clues? - Many thanks in advance

 

Darren

 

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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov 26 19:43:21 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:43:21 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EB3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200711270143.lAR1hJXq019963@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Charlotte

SQL Server 2000

The odd thing is - when I sent the text...
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\Binn\isqlw.exe"  -S
MyServer -d MydB -E

To my colleague (With real dB details) - it worked on her machine 

So I think something has changed on my machine or I have dowloaded some MS
security patch that stops command line access to SQL Server -

I dunno

Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works

And which version of SQL Server are you using?  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works

Hi All

 

Cross posted to DBASQL

 

>From an Access 2003 APP - I use a command line - built from a string - 
>to spark
up Query Analyser

It used to work - Now it no longer works - I get the error

 

[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]SQLServer does not
exist or access is denied

When I click OK - I get another error message.

Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]ConnectionOpen
(Connect())

 

The general syntax I use to spark up QA is.

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\Binn\isqlw.exe"  -S
MyServer -d MydB -E

This has worked in the past and just 'stopped' in the last few days -
not sure why

 

I did delete all my old - no longer used - DSN's form the DSN folder -
That's all I can recall

(I have since recreated a few - still no joy)

 

Any clues? - Many thanks in advance

 

Darren

 

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From fahooper at trapo.com  Mon Nov 26 20:02:35 2007
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:02:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004301c83099$9491ece0$8151dd48@fredxp>

Susan,

I'm not sure what you mean by "field properties" and if what I have is what
you want: I wrote a "data dictionary" that I use when I go to a new site.

It takes the table, field, key & index information from a db and places it
in an access table. Currently it works for SQL Server and Oracle by running
a query on the metadata tables/views in the database and saving the results.

If it sounds useful to you please let me know.

Fred Hooper

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO

The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
for this?

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Nov 27 01:02:01 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:32:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7
	03E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local> 
	<003101c83060$b2000ac0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <02d101c830c3$fee0cb00$2557a27a@personalec1122>

    Also make sure that the setting in general tab of options dialog box in VBA window has not inadvertently reverted to "Break on all errors"

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 00:45
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


  Charlotte, I'm just trying to use that technique we wrote about years ago --  
  using the query field Description property. I'm using it differently, but 
  like I said -- works fine until I run into a query field that doesn't have a 
  Description property setting.

  However, I'm going to try it on another system. This one really does behave 
  badly anymore. I can't trust that what's happening isn't just something 
  that's broke, especially since A.D. said Resume Next worked fine for him.

  Susan H.


  > The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
  > properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
  > for this?
  >
  > Charlotte Foust

From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Nov 27 00:53:16 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:23:16 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
References: <200711270143.lAR1hJXq019963@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <02d001c830c3$fe7a6810$2557a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    No need to put it on every form. It is for you to decide as to which form is most convenient for carrying out this action. Typically, the switchboard form (which is usually the start up form) could be considered for such role.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 21:39
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  A.D.:

  Does the code:

      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
      DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide

  have to appear in each form, or just called once from the opening form?

  Thanks and regards,

  Rocky  


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:26 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

  Rocky,

      A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named
  CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in
  Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in
  NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K &
  2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

  Code in form's module - A2K7
  (Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
  ========================================
  Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
      ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
      DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
  End Sub
  '-------------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
  End Sub
  ========================================

      The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in
  NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane can
  get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution
  of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007
  to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent
  object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active
  form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form
  itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with
  hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

      Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the
  NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other
  object like table or query should be in open state.

      It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object in
  NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank
  Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the
  group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object,
  it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not
  already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from
  effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves
  satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

      Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective
  hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all
  object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is meant
  for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant for
  hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in
  Access 2003).

      It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open state.
  It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk hiding/
  unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in this
  state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 07:00:30 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:00:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<003101c83060$b2000ac0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<02d101c830c3$fee0cb00$2557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <003301c830f6$0dc65950$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I'll check that -- on my system, anything's possible at this point, although 
I didn't do it myself. :)

That's a good tip in itself. :)

Susan H.


>    Also make sure that the setting in general tab of options dialog box in 
> VBA window has not inadvertently reverted to "Break on all errors"
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 00:45
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO
>
>
>  Charlotte, I'm just trying to use that technique we wrote about years 
> ago --
>  using the query field Description property. I'm using it differently, but
>  like I said -- works fine until I run into a query field that doesn't 
> have a
>  Description property setting.
>
>  However, I'm going to try it on another system. This one really does 
> behave
>  badly anymore. I can't trust that what's happening isn't just something
>  that's broke, especially since A.D. said Resume Next worked fine for him.
>
>  Susan H.
>
>
>  > The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
>  > properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
>  > for this?
>  >
>  > Charlotte Foust
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 07:13:24 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:13:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Article on colorblindness
Message-ID: <006801c830f7$4f1e4ba0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

http://colorvisiontesting.com/color4.htm

This was written for the education industry, but seems like it would apply 
to a lot of development.

Susan H. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 07:18:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:18:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Licensing - just an FYI
Message-ID: <004901c830f7$fb435b50$647aa8c0@M90>

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/22242

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 07:32:26 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:32:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <005d01c8306d$62ce87d0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<005d01c8306d$62ce87d0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <007601c830f9$f39a6130$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  Just do a single run of Cat5e (6 if you might go to gigabit) over to the
other end of the house and put a WAP on the end of it and be done with it.

  You'll have plenty of coverage for the entire house that way.

  You can do this on the cheap to if you have another wireless router laying
around.  Just plug the cable into one of the ports (not the Internet Port),
disable all the routing type functions (DHCP, etc), assign a static IP to
the box, and it will act as a wireless access point.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Rocky,

I am definitely looking at this, however I have had a bad experience with
power line transmission.  I have an "intercom" system which is supposed to
send the voice over the AC wiring.  It works, except that it will not send
from this circuit to that circuit etc.  I had the same issue with that same
system back in CT.  It seems the issue is the circuits in the breaker panel.
This is a physically big house, with a new addition and the original house,
plus I installed a generator and pulled some circuits into a dedicated
breaker box for the generator etc.  That Rangemax system costs just enough
that I don't want to try it. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

John:

I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years.  Same problem -
weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.

I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102).  They're
rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
plug and play.  It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.


So no more wireless.


Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the install, with the
old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
than the old router.

I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the far end of
the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!

I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that.  Thus I
can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
business firewall (the old wireless router).

The hoops we jump through.

John W. Colby
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 27 07:38:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:38:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <02d001c830c3$fe7a6810$2557a27a@personalec1122>
References: <200711270143.lAR1hJXq019963@databaseadvisors.com>
	<02d001c830c3$fe7a6810$2557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <000c01c830fa$c4846f70$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:

I put in just the two lines:

    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide

to turn it off and sent it over to the client.  Worked perfectly.  So we'll
add it to the local options form so each user can decide whether they want
the Nav pane on or off.  

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Rocky,

    No need to put it on every form. It is for you to decide as to which
form is most convenient for carrying out this action. Typically, the
switchboard form (which is usually the start up form) could be considered
for such role.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 21:39
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  A.D.:

  Does the code:

      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
      DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide

  have to appear in each form, or just called once from the opening form?

  Thanks and regards,

  Rocky  


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:26 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

  Rocky,

      A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named
  CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in
  Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in
  NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K
&
  2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

  Code in form's module - A2K7
  (Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
  ========================================
  Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
      ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
      DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
  End Sub
  '-------------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
  End Sub
  ========================================

      The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in
  NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane
can
  get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution
  of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007
  to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent
  object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active
  form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form
  itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with
  hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

      Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the
  NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other
  object like table or query should be in open state.

      It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object
in
  NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank
  Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the
  group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object,
  it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not
  already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from
  effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves
  satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

      Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective
  hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all
  object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is
meant
  for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant
for
  hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in
  Access 2003).

      It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open
state.
  It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk
hiding/
  unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in
this
  state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 08:57:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:57:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <000001c83105$d8d4ee90$647aa8c0@M90>

test

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 08:58:39 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
Message-ID: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>

I would love to do that but the "details" always get in the way.  My office
is up in "the attic", in a "bonus room" kind of thing above my bedroom.
Thus on the other side of the office wall is the rest of the attic for the
house.  I can certainly run a cable through there.  The problem is that the
attic gets well over 130 degrees F during the day in the summer and so no
electronics are going to like that environment.  Thus I would have to snake
the cable down a wall to get it into the house.  And therein lies the
problem, I don't know how to do that.  Not to mention all the nasty
fiberglass insulation and stuff. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

John,

  Just do a single run of Cat5e (6 if you might go to gigabit) over to the
other end of the house and put a WAP on the end of it and be done with it.

  You'll have plenty of coverage for the entire house that way.

  You can do this on the cheap to if you have another wireless router laying
around.  Just plug the cable into one of the ports (not the Internet Port),
disable all the routing type functions (DHCP, etc), assign a static IP to
the box, and it will act as a wireless access point.

Jim.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:29:27 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:29:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270729h49a68a3cv470ba57bfc964bc1@mail.gmail.com>

Actually snaking cable through wood stud walls is pretty easy if you
get the right tool. I bought a wire snake or fish tape maybe it's
called at one o the home supply stores a few years back and it really
works well.

This looks like mine.
http://www.mytoolstore.com/klein/kln21.html

Espeically if you have good access to the wall cavity at either end of
the run. You would need to cut a hole in the wall where the cable
would end up and then you could fish that fish tape through to the
other end. You might als need to drill a hole though the wood at the
top of the wall for the wire to go through. But maybe not. Then you
just go down along between the insulation and the sheetrock inside the
wall. It would help a lot to have two people so one can watch for the
end to appear in the hole or out the top of the wall depending on
which way you are going. Then you just attach the cable you are
running to the end of the fish tape and pull it through. I've used
mine to run Speaker wires, Coax for TV cable, phone wire and ethernet
at various times. It's still WORK of course and it takes some time but
once you do it you will wonder why you didn't do it before. Now if
there are block walls or brick walls or if you have to go several
floors its s bit tougher but still not impossible.

GK.

On 11/27/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I would love to do that but the "details" always get in the way.  My office
> is up in "the attic", in a "bonus room" kind of thing above my bedroom.
> Thus on the other side of the office wall is the rest of the attic for the
> house.  I can certainly run a cable through there.  The problem is that the
> attic gets well over 130 degrees F during the day in the summer and so no
> electronics are going to like that environment.  Thus I would have to snake
> the cable down a wall to get it into the house.  And therein lies the
> problem, I don't know how to do that.  Not to mention all the nasty
> fiberglass insulation and stuff.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:29:46 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:29:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <000001c83105$d8d4ee90$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000001c83105$d8d4ee90$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270729i1bc75366pcdfdb2ba05b4938c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John!

On 11/27/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> test
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:37:59 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:37:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com>

My Linksys router also works all over our house. It's in the basement
and my wife's laptop is normally on the first floor and it works fine.
She has also used it in the bedroom on the second floor with no
problem. I have used my laptoip outside on the deck with no trouble
and fast speed and out in the driveway in front of the garage which is
quite a long distance and above the routers location. The room the
computer is in is directly under the kitchen so the refrigerator would
be in between the router and much of the rest of the house. I was not
able to see my router from across the street at my neighbors house
though. I can see 3 or 4 other neighbors routers from my house though
if I go looking for a connection.

GK

On 11/26/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap linxus wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I also use it outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of house)and I have gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little slower there).  Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and printing.
>
> I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
> > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same problem -
> > weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
> >
> > I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). They're
> > rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
> > plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.
> >
> >
> > So no more wireless.
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
> > Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
> > bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
> > signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
> > I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically because
> > Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
> > I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, with the
> > old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
> > poorer reception via this new router in her office. However if I take her
> > laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
> > strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
> > than the old router.
> >
> > I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
> > to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room at the far end of
> > the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
> > there. I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
> > below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
> > down to it. Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
> > connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home. Yuk!
> >
> > I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
> > parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
> > behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that. Thus I
> > can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
> > to my internal (business) LAN. The original router will talk to the
> > internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
> > new router. All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
> > all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
> > business firewall (the old wireless router).
> >
> > The hoops we jump through.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
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> > 4:24 PM
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 27 09:50:51 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:50:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
	<aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of the condo and
my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out of direct
line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

My Linksys router also works all over our house. It's in the basement
and my wife's laptop is normally on the first floor and it works fine.
She has also used it in the bedroom on the second floor with no problem.
I have used my laptoip outside on the deck with no trouble and fast
speed and out in the driveway in front of the garage which is quite a
long distance and above the routers location. The room the computer is
in is directly under the kitchen so the refrigerator would be in between
the router and much of the rest of the house. I was not able to see my
router from across the street at my neighbors house though. I can see 3
or 4 other neighbors routers from my house though if I go looking for a
connection.

GK

On 11/26/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap
linxus wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I
also use it outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of
house)and I have gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little
slower there).  Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and
printing.
>
> I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi
level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
> > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same 
> > problem - weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
> >
> > I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). 
> > They're rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless 
> > security issue, plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and
uses you house wiring.
> >
> >
> > So no more wireless.
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion 
> > of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which 
> > have a bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up 
> > the strongest signal and uses that for talking to the wireless
computers (mostly laptops).
> > I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically 
> > because Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has
poor reception.
> > I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, 
> > with the old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the 
> > same, or slightly poorer reception via this new router in her 
> > office. However if I take her laptop on out to the dining room at 
> > the far end of the house, the signal strength is definitely higher, 
> > by about 6db on average and sometimes more, than the old router.
> >
> > I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb 
> > wireless to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room 
> > at the far end of the house, so it is encouraging that I get that 
> > much better reception down there. I already have an old Series 1 
> > Tivo down in the bedroom directly below my office, and am buying a 
> > bridge to put on it to get the wireless down to it. Currently I am 
> > running a cable down the stairs and manually connecting it to the
Series 1 once a week to phone home. Yuk!
> >
> > I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new

> > one "in parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 
> > switch immediately behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless 
> > routers in to that. Thus I can have a wireless system (the new one) 
> > that talks to the internet, but not to my internal (business) LAN. 
> > The original router will talk to the internet as well but will have 
> > its firewall between the internal LAN and the new router. All of the

> > Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will all talk to the 
> > internet through the new router and not be behind the business
firewall (the old wireless router).
> >
> > The hoops we jump through.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1151 - Release Date: 
> > 11/25/2007
> > 4:24 PM
> >
> >
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:52:07 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:52:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>


Hmmm...Just happen to live near you...have some skills...and I already have the "fish tape".

Let me know.

Mark


> From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:58:39 -0500
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> I would love to do that but the "details" always get in the way. My office
> is up in "the attic", in a "bonus room" kind of thing above my bedroom.
> Thus on the other side of the office wall is the rest of the attic for the
> house. I can certainly run a cable through there. The problem is that the
> attic gets well over 130 degrees F during the day in the summer and so no
> electronics are going to like that environment. Thus I would have to snake
> the cable down a wall to get it into the house. And therein lies the
> problem, I don't know how to do that. Not to mention all the nasty
> fiberglass insulation and stuff.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John,
>
> Just do a single run of Cat5e (6 if you might go to gigabit) over to the
> other end of the house and put a WAP on the end of it and be done with it.
>
> You'll have plenty of coverage for the entire house that way.
>
> You can do this on the cheap to if you have another wireless router laying
> around. Just plug the cable into one of the ports (not the Internet Port),
> disable all the routing type functions (DHCP, etc), assign a static IP to
> the box, and it will act as a wireless access point.
>
> Jim.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 10:45:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:45:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>
References: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c83114$e4d413b0$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  "Near" is not an adjective I would use, "easy afternoon drive" would
be more like it.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


Hmmm...Just happen to live near you...have some skills...and I already have
the "fish tape".

Let me know.

Mark


> From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:58:39 -0500
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> I would love to do that but the "details" always get in the way. My 
> office is up in "the attic", in a "bonus room" kind of thing above my
bedroom.
> Thus on the other side of the office wall is the rest of the attic for 
> the house. I can certainly run a cable through there. The problem is 
> that the attic gets well over 130 degrees F during the day in the 
> summer and so no electronics are going to like that environment. Thus 
> I would have to snake the cable down a wall to get it into the house. 
> And therein lies the problem, I don't know how to do that. Not to 
> mention all the nasty fiberglass insulation and stuff.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John,
>
> Just do a single run of Cat5e (6 if you might go to gigabit) over to 
> the other end of the house and put a WAP on the end of it and be done with
it.
>
> You'll have plenty of coverage for the entire house that way.
>
> You can do this on the cheap to if you have another wireless router 
> laying around. Just plug the cable into one of the ports (not the 
> Internet Port), disable all the routing type functions (DHCP, etc), 
> assign a static IP to the box, and it will act as a wireless access point.
>
> Jim.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 10:46:24 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:46:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
	<aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com>

Yea Linksys!  ;-)

3 for 3!

GK

On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of the condo and
> my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out of direct
> line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> My Linksys router also works all over our house.

-- 
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 10:47:40 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:47:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>
References: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270847h48003aa0qb9e54c8a0b73ae46@mail.gmail.com>

There you go. Once you have done it or seen it done it seems a lot
less difficult.

GK

On 11/27/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm...Just happen to live near you...have some skills...and I already have the "fish tape".
>
> Let me know.
>
> Mark
>

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Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 11:04:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:04:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl><aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>

My original router is a dlink, and it does work, however it seems that the
specific location of my wife's laptop may be in a dead spot or something.
Not dead exactly, she does have internet, it is just slow 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Yea Linksys!  ;-)

3 for 3!

GK

On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of the condo and 
> my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out of direct 
> line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> My Linksys router also works all over our house.

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 27 11:21:37 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:21:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  More Web Stuff
In-Reply-To: <001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl><aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com> 
	<001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W10AA39A9ED7D26ADAC3DB2D2760@phx.gbl>


Hello All,

Anyone familiar with http://www.caspio.com

Its claims to be a wizard to move access dbs to the web.

Ideas?

Thanks,

mark
_________________________________________________________________
Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Nov 27 11:45:15 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:45:15 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <023d01c8311d$452849e0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

C'mon folks. This should be on the dbaTech list. There are dark mutterings
about the level of OT on the main list and I have to admit there is quite an
epidemic. So enough of this one please, and over to dbaTech or OT.

Thanks.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 27 November 2007 17:05
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> 
> 
> My original router is a dlink, and it does work, however it 
> seems that the specific location of my wife's laptop may be 
> in a dead spot or something. Not dead exactly, she does have 
> internet, it is just slow 
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> 
> Yea Linksys!  ;-)
> 
> 3 for 3!
> 
> GK
> 
> On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of 
> the condo and
> > my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out 
> of direct 
> > line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > My Linksys router also works all over our house.
> 
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 





From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 27 13:25:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:25:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] More Web Stuff
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl><aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com>
	<001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY127-W10AA39A9ED7D26ADAC3DB2D2760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c8312b$346f4000$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...to THEIR web and THEIR db.
William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: [AccessD] More Web Stuff


>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone familiar with http://www.caspio.com
>
> Its claims to be a wizard to move access dbs to the web.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> mark
> _________________________________________________________________
> Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live.
> http://www.windowslive.com/connect.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Wave2_newways_112007
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> 




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 27 13:32:19 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:32:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
References: <023d01c8311d$452849e0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000d01c8312c$3a03d1b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...dark mutterings? ...you've read one too many Harry Potter books :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


> C'mon folks. This should be on the dbaTech list. There are dark mutterings
> about the level of OT on the main list and I have to admit there is quite 
> an
> epidemic. So enough of this one please, and over to dbaTech or OT.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: 27 November 2007 17:05
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>>
>>
>> My original router is a dlink, and it does work, however it
>> seems that the specific location of my wife's laptop may be
>> in a dead spot or something. Not dead exactly, she does have
>> internet, it is just slow
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>>
>> Yea Linksys!  ;-)
>>
>> 3 for 3!
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>> > My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of
>> the condo and
>> > my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out
>> of direct
>> > line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
>> >
>> > Charlotte Foust
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>> >
>> > My Linksys router also works all over our house.
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 13:43:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:43:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <000d01c8312c$3a03d1b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <023d01c8311d$452849e0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
	<000d01c8312c$3a03d1b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <003001c8312d$d60377e0$647aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.  I was about to ask if the mutterings were coming from the "pure
bloods". 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

...dark mutterings? ...you've read one too many Harry Potter books :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


> C'mon folks. This should be on the dbaTech list. There are dark mutterings
> about the level of OT on the main list and I have to admit there is quite 
> an
> epidemic. So enough of this one please, and over to dbaTech or OT.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: 27 November 2007 17:05
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>>
>>
>> My original router is a dlink, and it does work, however it
>> seems that the specific location of my wife's laptop may be
>> in a dead spot or something. Not dead exactly, she does have
>> internet, it is just slow
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>>
>> Yea Linksys!  ;-)
>>
>> 3 for 3!
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>> > My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of
>> the condo and
>> > my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out
>> of direct
>> > line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
>> >
>> > Charlotte Foust
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>> >
>> > My Linksys router also works all over our house.
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 27 16:03:41 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:03:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
Message-ID: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>

I'm in the midst of redoing all of my insurance and I was wondering what
kind of Professional Liability Insurance coverage you all have.
 

John B.





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 27 16:32:08 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:32:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
In-Reply-To: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20071127223215.5D64F253ED@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>

Zero!

I'm incorporated and work at home.  So the most anyone could get out of me
would be my computer equipment.  But no one is going to initiate a lawsuit
over that amount of money.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:04 PM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage

I'm in the midst of redoing all of my insurance and I was wondering what
kind of Professional Liability Insurance coverage you all have.
 

John B.



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 27 16:33:12 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:33:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
In-Reply-To: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I don't carry it.  When I had the office I had the usual coverage for theft,
fire, and broken leg.  But no professional or E&O insurance.  But I'm
incorporated which covers my assets.   

For The Sleep Advisor I looked into it because it's a quasi-medical app.
$50k for openers.  If they'd have us.

So we dropped the idea. 


Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:04 PM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage

I'm in the midst of redoing all of my insurance and I was wondering what
kind of Professional Liability Insurance coverage you all have.
 

John B.



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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 27 17:57:28 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:57:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...a word of caution here ...incorporation protection varies significantly 
by state and structure you choose ...some states protect your "homestead" 
including personal property ...some protect only up to a set value ...and in 
some states if you are the primary beneficiary of a privately held 
corporation, especially a "c", you may not really have any corporate shield 
at all ...if you have any doubts, the best advice is to call your lawyer for 
an answer.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage


>I don't carry it.  When I had the office I had the usual coverage for 
>theft,
> fire, and broken leg.  But no professional or E&O insurance.  But I'm
> incorporated which covers my assets.
>
> For The Sleep Advisor I looked into it because it's a quasi-medical app.
> $50k for openers.  If they'd have us.
>
> So we dropped the idea.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:04 PM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
>
> I'm in the midst of redoing all of my insurance and I was wondering what
> kind of Professional Liability Insurance coverage you all have.
>
>
> John B.
>
>
>
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> No virus found in this incoming message.
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Nov 27 20:38:17 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:38:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com><005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Folks:

I have an application written in Access 97 (yes, some people refuse to
upgrade ...), and have been getting reports back from the client regarding
some db problems. The db is a FE/BE configuration, with the BE on a network
share in a peer-to-peer network. 

1. They're experiencing wierdness when entering records ... Sometimes the
new record switches to an existing record. 
2. They can't pull up (or only sometimes) linked word documents.

This db has been cooking along quite nicely for over 10 yrs ... I'm thinking
that the problems they're experiencing are either network related or due to
a firewall being overly assertive. But perhaps this could be a corruption of
the BE?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645




From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 27 23:10:32 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:10:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <C0B9C313EF284BDDAF1D9BF7211642EE@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Larry:

Maybe you could check the database. I have had problems with databases that
got stopped a few times when the server was abruptly shutdown through
carelessness or maybe even a power outage.

If the site has been running successfully for a number of years and none of
the above are obviously the cause, my first thought would be that some
updating on the network is not compatible with the old DB. 

Access97 is not totally happy in a network environment where stations are
running an OS later than Windown2000. XP home edition is very unreliable on
a network, from my experience and I would never recommend that version for a
business... that is what XP Pro is for.

HTH

Jim
   
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions

Hi Folks:

I have an application written in Access 97 (yes, some people refuse to
upgrade ...), and have been getting reports back from the client regarding
some db problems. The db is a FE/BE configuration, with the BE on a network
share in a peer-to-peer network. 

1. They're experiencing wierdness when entering records ... Sometimes the
new record switches to an existing record. 
2. They can't pull up (or only sometimes) linked word documents.

This db has been cooking along quite nicely for over 10 yrs ... I'm thinking
that the problems they're experiencing are either network related or due to
a firewall being overly assertive. But perhaps this could be a corruption of
the BE?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Nov 28 00:46:09 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:46:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com><005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
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Simplest first. Have you actually defined the problem yourself rather than 
relying on user reports? Your post makes it appear that you might not have 
actually done so as yet ...imnsho, users are almost always wrong in defining 
problems in a manner that enables you to address them effectively ...thy 
just don't see it with your eyes.

Do you/they have archive/master copies that don't exhibit the behavior? Hope 
they are doing daily backups.

Have you done a full decompile of both mdbs? With A97, you have to follow 
the steps very carefully or the decompile does not work as intended.

If none of the above clears the problem, try a system restore to a date 
prior to the problem first appearing to see if any system software changes 
have caused it. Look especially for any changes in AV software configuration 
or for changes in macro security settings. A97 was very susseptible to 
tamper protection schemes and heuristic type background scanning.

...just hit me but you didn't say what their OS is ...if its anything less 
than XP Pro, you ought to just Colbyize them and be done with it ...and if 
they installed Vista on even one system, start there.

Isolate any hardware/firmware changes in the environment ...or possibly a 
faulty nic on the workgroup share ...A97 was very intolerant of nic faults 
ime and they were the primary cause of intermittant problems.

...and for heaven's sake, upgrade them to AXP already ...if they are too 
cheap to buy Office upgrades, at least put them on a runtime of Access 2002 
...with the current prices on e-bay for such, its ridiculous for them not to 
do so.

hth

William


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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions


> Hi Folks:
>
> I have an application written in Access 97 (yes, some people refuse to
> upgrade ...), and have been getting reports back from the client regarding
> some db problems. The db is a FE/BE configuration, with the BE on a 
> network
> share in a peer-to-peer network.
>
> 1. They're experiencing wierdness when entering records ... Sometimes the
> new record switches to an existing record.
> 2. They can't pull up (or only sometimes) linked word documents.
>
> This db has been cooking along quite nicely for over 10 yrs ... I'm 
> thinking
> that the problems they're experiencing are either network related or due 
> to
> a firewall being overly assertive. But perhaps this could be a corruption 
> of
> the BE?
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 03:51:22 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:51:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
Message-ID: <s74d484b.005@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

That is not our experience. We see no difference in reliability between WinXP Home and Pro running on brand named hardware, and Access 97 runs rock steady on any Win OS from Win95 to XP (we have yet to experience some heavy use on Vista). 

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-11-2007 06:10 >>>

Access97 is not totally happy in a network environment where stations are
running an OS later than Windown2000. XP home edition is very unreliable on
a network, from my experience and I would never recommend that version for a
business... that is what XP Pro is for.





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 03:54:39 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:54:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
Message-ID: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>

Hi William

So true. We have cooked this down to an in-house motto: Users lie.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 28-11-2007 07:46 >>>
Simplest first. Have you actually defined the problem yourself rather than 
relying on user reports? Your post makes it appear that you might not have 
actually done so as yet ...imnsho, users are almost always wrong in defining 
problems in a manner that enables you to address them effectively ...thy 
just don't see it with your eyes.





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Nov 28 05:48:45 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:48:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F6F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I was wondering if someone has a VBA based  "HTML code stripper"  to
share with me?

 

The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.

 

thx

 

 

 

 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 06:23:13 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:23:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74d6be0.017@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

How about the rich text component of Access 2007? This isn't Rich Text (RTF) based but HTML based.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 12:48 >>>
I was wondering if someone has a VBA based  "HTML code stripper"  to
share with me?

The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.





From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 28 05:27:25 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:27:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi Erwin
Sorry, I'm not replying because I have one but it's a nice idea. Iwonder
though if stripping is enough. Wouldn't you want to change <br> to vbCrLf,
and &nbsp; to a space? And I'm no HTML expert so there may be others that
need conversion rather than removal.

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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 06:29:46 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:29:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74d6d55.018@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Or use the free ActiveX String Component from ChilkatSoft:

http://www.example-code.com/asp/asp_html_entity_decode.asp 

/gustav


>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 12:48 >>>
I was wondering if someone has a VBA based  "HTML code stripper"  to
share with me?

The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.





From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Nov 28 07:35:08 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:35:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>
References: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00e601c831c3$7e57b4c0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Yes, users occassionally are "truth challenged". 

The funny thing about this issue is that the application has been solid for
the past 10 years, other than the occassional enhancement, It has happily
cooked along. 

I'm first going to look at the network issues, as well as the backend for
corruption. 

(and I'll probably get them on Access XP, if only to remove the need for
having Access97 on my machine).

Larry Mrazek
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions

Hi William

So true. We have cooked this down to an in-house motto: Users lie.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 28-11-2007 07:46 >>>
Simplest first. Have you actually defined the problem yourself rather than
relying on user reports? Your post makes it appear that you might not have
actually done so as yet ...imnsho, users are almost always wrong in defining
problems in a manner that enables you to address them effectively ...thy
just don't see it with your eyes.



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 28 09:38:55 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:38:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
In-Reply-To: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D6DB8A965F4548499462247C161316A0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Erwin:

I have always just opened a page in the browser and simply cut and pasted
from there. Do you want an automated process?

Jim

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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 28 09:56:39 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:56:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>
References: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>
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LOL!  Hear, hear!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions

Hi William

So true. We have cooked this down to an in-house motto: Users lie.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 28-11-2007 07:46 >>>
Simplest first. Have you actually defined the problem yourself rather
than relying on user reports? Your post makes it appear that you might
not have actually done so as yet ...imnsho, users are almost always
wrong in defining problems in a manner that enables you to address them
effectively ...thy just don't see it with your eyes.



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 10:53:11 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:53:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com><005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local> 
	<009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W705BD916D75915A4E4E87D2770@phx.gbl>


Larry,

I have read everyone else's feedback...and if these are truely the symptoms...I have seen similar issues that were not DB related...but they were not related to each other either.

1.  A new mouse can cause this type of issue.  I have seen it with the 'side buttons' that actually act as a 'BACK' button...and the mouse wheel will scroll back through records.

2. Not so sure about this one...but have seen something similar depending on version of word...and how the DB calls word...and whether or not it is already open.

Just thoughts.

Mark A. Matte


> From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:38:17 -0600
> Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I have an application written in Access 97 (yes, some people refuse to
> upgrade ...), and have been getting reports back from the client regarding
> some db problems. The db is a FE/BE configuration, with the BE on a network
> share in a peer-to-peer network.
>
> 1. They're experiencing wierdness when entering records ... Sometimes the
> new record switches to an existing record.
> 2. They can't pull up (or only sometimes) linked word documents.
>
> This db has been cooking along quite nicely for over 10 yrs ... I'm thinking
> that the problems they're experiencing are either network related or due to
> a firewall being overly assertive. But perhaps this could be a corruption of
> the BE?
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Nov 28 11:20:26 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:20:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F75@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well indeed.

Converting of hyperlinks etc would be nice to.



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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin
Sorry, I'm not replying because I have one but it's a nice idea. Iwonder
though if stripping is enough. Wouldn't you want to change <br> to
vbCrLf,
and &nbsp; to a space? And I'm no HTML expert so there may be others
that
need conversion rather than removal.

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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









Erwin Craps

Zaakvoerder



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From krosenstiel at comcast.net  Wed Nov 28 12:29:36 2007
From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (krosenstiel at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:29:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <112820071829.9326.474DB3900001C1A60000246E2216557996040A079B9C020A9C019D05@comcast.net>

Seems to me all you really need is a macro in your text editor to remove <*.*> from your docuement.

--
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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
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> Well indeed.
> 
> Converting of hyperlinks etc would be nice to.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
> 
> Hi Erwin
> Sorry, I'm not replying because I have one but it's a nice idea. Iwonder
> though if stripping is enough. Wouldn't you want to change <br> to
> vbCrLf,
> and &nbsp; to a space? And I'm no HTML expert so there may be others
> that
> need conversion rather than removal.
> 
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
> Date: 28/11/07 11:54
> 
> 
> I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
> share with me?
> 
> 
> 
> The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
> a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
> stored in a database.
> 
> 
> 
> thx
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Erwin Craps
> 
> Zaakvoerder
> 
> 
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 12:39:17 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:39:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74dc409.012@cactus.dk>

Hi Karen

Oh no. Study the link I posted earlier today ...

/gustav

>>> krosenstiel at comcast.net 28-11-2007 19:29 >>>
Seems to me all you really need is a macro in your text editor to remove <*.*> from your docuement.





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Nov 28 13:40:30 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:40:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<D6DB8A965F4548499462247C161316A0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F76@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.




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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin:

I have always just opened a page in the browser and simply cut and
pasted
from there. Do you want an automated process?

Jim

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Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Nov 28 13:42:07 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:42:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <112820071829.9326.474DB3900001C1A60000246E2216557996040A079B9C020A9C019D05@comcast.net>
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That's what I thought, but it's not like that.



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Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Seems to me all you really need is a macro in your text editor to remove
<*.*> from your docuement.

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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu>
> Well indeed.
> 
> Converting of hyperlinks etc would be nice to.
> 
> 
> 
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> Hi Erwin
> Sorry, I'm not replying because I have one but it's a nice idea.
Iwonder
> though if stripping is enough. Wouldn't you want to change <br> to
> vbCrLf,
> and &nbsp; to a space? And I'm no HTML expert so there may be others
> that
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> Date: 28/11/07 11:54
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> I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
> share with me?
> 
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> 
> The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained
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be
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> thx
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:10:24 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:10:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the double-post but I'm desperate.

I'm trying to change cell formulae in Excel using VBA code and am running
into two different problems (well, maybe problem 2 will disappear when I
figure out problem 1).

I have a string stored like this:

Dim strFormula as String
strFormula "=VLOOKUP(A6,'S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV Files\Sep
07\[# of securities.xls]SOI'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"

I am trying to assign it to the formula of a cell like this:

Range("E6").Formula = strFormula


What happens is that it gets pasted in as text, NOT as the formula. I tried
removing the equals sign and assigning the rest to the formula of the cell,
but that didn't work either.

I'm way behind on a deadline and I have to get this working. Any assistance
greatly appreciated!

TIA,
Arthur


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Nov 28 14:14:13 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:14:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
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Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CFD8@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

A relatively simple way would be to open it with a browser, and just
read the text of it:

brwWebBrowser.Document.Body.innertext

where bwWebBrowser would be an instance of IE.

Drew

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.




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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin:

I have always just opened a page in the browser and simply cut and
pasted
from there. Do you want an automated process?

Jim

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Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









Erwin Craps

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From jwelz at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:17:06 2007
From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:17:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
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Arthur:
 
Here is an example from code I use where M refers to a named range cell in a sheet:
 
                .Cells(14, 4).Select                .ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1 = "=IF(M=0,Tender!RC[-1],Tender!RC[-1]*Tender!RC[11])"CiaoJ?rgen WelzEdmonton, Albertajwelz at hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:10:24 -0500> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel> > Sorry for the double-post but I'm desperate.> > I'm trying to change cell formulae in Excel using VBA code and am running> into two different problems (well, maybe problem 2 will disappear when I> figure out problem 1).> > I have a string stored like this:> > Dim strFormula as String> strFormula "=VLOOKUP(A6,'S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV Files\Sep> 07\[# of securities.xls]SOI'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"> > I am trying to assign it to the formula of a cell like this:> > Range("E6").Formula = strFormula> > > What happens is that it gets pasted in as text, NOT as the formula. I tried> removing the equals sign and assigning the rest to the formula of the cell,> but that didn't work either.> > I'm way behind on a deadline and I have to get this working. Any assistance> greatly appreciated!> > TIA,> Arthur> -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Nov 28 14:21:42 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:21:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED74A7@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Try just 

	Range("E6") = strFormula

Works for me.

Lambert

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Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel


Sorry for the double-post but I'm desperate.

I'm trying to change cell formulae in Excel using VBA code and am running
into two different problems (well, maybe problem 2 will disappear when I
figure out problem 1).

I have a string stored like this:

Dim strFormula as String
strFormula "=VLOOKUP(A6,'S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV Files\Sep
07\[# of securities.xls]SOI'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"

I am trying to assign it to the formula of a cell like this:

Range("E6").Formula = strFormula


What happens is that it gets pasted in as text, NOT as the formula. I tried
removing the equals sign and assigning the rest to the formula of the cell,
but that didn't work either.

I'm way behind on a deadline and I have to get this working. Any assistance
greatly appreciated!

TIA,
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Nov 28 14:37:11 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:37:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
References: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

hi Arthur
Sorry I am not at work to really try this out before sending a answer
if I had a copy of the excel spreadsheet I could play with it a bit more and test 
But when building strings and I tend to put the " and ' in using the CHR()  and have gotten around many problems
 
Dim strFormula as String
strFormula = CHR(34) & "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) & 
strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)" & CHR(34)
 
or 
strFormula =  "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) & 
strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"  
 
HTH
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Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel



Sorry for the double-post but I'm desperate.

I'm trying to change cell formulae in Excel using VBA code and am running
into two different problems (well, maybe problem 2 will disappear when I
figure out problem 1).

I have a string stored like this:

Dim strFormula as String
strFormula "=VLOOKUP(A6,'S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV Files\Sep
07\[# of securities.xls]SOI'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"

I am trying to assign it to the formula of a cell like this:

Range("E6").Formula = strFormula


What happens is that it gets pasted in as text, NOT as the formula. I tried
removing the equals sign and assigning the rest to the formula of the cell,
but that didn't work either.

I'm way behind on a deadline and I have to get this working. Any assistance
greatly appreciated!

TIA,
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:54:22 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:54:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
In-Reply-To: <BAY113-W41F4CD5D57CBA661171AC7A1770@phx.gbl>
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Message-ID: <29f585dd0711281254s2ef7992es85a4304f13c62f2d@mail.gmail.com>

What's the R1C1 for, Jurgen?

Arthur

On Nov 28, 2007 3:17 PM, Jurgen Welz <jwelz at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Arthur:
>
> Here is an example from code I use where M refers to a named range cell in
> a sheet:
>
>                .Cells(14, 4).Select                .ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1
> = "=IF(M=0,Tender!RC[-1],Tender!RC[-1]*Tender!RC[11])"



> CiaoJ?rgen WelzEdmonton


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Nov 28 15:07:24 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:07:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370EB13@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I am using the API: Remove Close button from maximized forms from the
Access Web website.(www.mvps.org/access/api/aqpioo22.htm) It works great
on the first form in the DB that opens. On subsequent forms the result
is not as good. The form opens to full size with the blue bar across the
top. I use the following lines of code to run the function from the on
open event.

 

DoCmd.Restore

DoEvents

MaximizeRestoredForm Me

 

I have also tried it explicitly naming the form with the same result.

 

Thanks for your ideas.

 

 

 

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Engineering Technician

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Office (432) 688-3797

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Nov 28 15:12:52 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:12:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
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	Y113-W41F4CD5D57CBA661171AC7A1770@phx.gbl> 
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Arthur,
This works for me, ie it places the formula in cell E6 correctly
 strFormula = "=VLOOKUP(A6,'C:\Documents and Settings\jhale\My Documents\[file1.xls]OutPut_Data'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"
Range("E6").Formula = strFormula

HOWEVER if the cell E6 is formatted as text then it the sub pastes it in as a  text string. Check the cell formatting
Jim Hale

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel

What's the R1C1 for, Jurgen?

Arthur

On Nov 28, 2007 3:17 PM, Jurgen Welz <jwelz at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Arthur:
>
> Here is an example from code I use where M refers to a named range cell in
> a sheet:
>
>                .Cells(14, 4).Select                .ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1
> = "=IF(M=0,Tender!RC[-1],Tender!RC[-1]*Tender!RC[11])"



> CiaoJ?rgen WelzEdmonton
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 15:44:58 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:44:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711281254s2ef7992es85a4304f13c62f2d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY113-W41F4CD5D57CBA661171AC7A1770@phx.gbl>
	<29f585dd0711281254s2ef7992es85a4304f13c62f2d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711281344r6d6ba1b8ob9cb8ee5440b721d@mail.gmail.com>

Never mind, I looked it up.

A.

On Nov 28, 2007 3:54 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> What's the R1C1 for, Jurgen?
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 3:17 PM, Jurgen Welz <jwelz at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Arthur:
> >
> > Here is an example from code I use where M refers to a named range cell
> > in a sheet:
> >
> >                .Cells(14, 4).Select
> >  .ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1 =
> > "=IF(M=0,Tender!RC[-1],Tender!RC[-1]*Tender!RC[11])"
>
>
>
> > CiaoJ?rgen WelzEdmonton
>
>
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Nov 28 17:07:36 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:07:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370EB13@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <20071128230746.197BF19FB0@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>

You can turn the Close button for forms on or off using each form's property
sheet.  I turn it off for every form.  Same for Min/Max.

Perhaps that would work . . .

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

I am using the API: Remove Close button from maximized forms from the
Access Web website.(www.mvps.org/access/api/aqpioo22.htm) It works great
on the first form in the DB that opens. On subsequent forms the result
is not as good. The form opens to full size with the blue bar across the
top. I use the following lines of code to run the function from the on
open event.

 

DoCmd.Restore

DoEvents

MaximizeRestoredForm Me

 

I have also tried it explicitly naming the form with the same result.

 

Thanks for your ideas.

 

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 17:39:53 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:39:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
References: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711281539l310b44f2g57fed833032a7486@mail.gmail.com>

Bizarrely enough, this appears to be the answer. Those accursed single
quotes! Who knew?

Arthur

On Nov 28, 2007 3:37 PM, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)
<Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
wrote:

> hi Arthur
> Sorry I am not at work to really try this out before sending a answer
> if I had a copy of the excel spreadsheet I could play with it a bit more
> and test
> But when building strings and I tend to put the " and ' in using the CHR()
>  and have gotten around many problems
>
> Dim strFormula as String
> strFormula = CHR(34) & "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) &
> strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV
> FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
> strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)" & CHR(34)
>
> or
> strFormula =  "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) &
> strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV
> FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
> strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"
>
> HTH
> Patti
>
>


From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Nov 28 17:58:39 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
References: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com><01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
	<29f585dd0711281539l310b44f2g57fed833032a7486@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B3@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

Arthur
Glad it worked !!  Will add it to the list of " you better remember"  
For me with a last name of O'Connor and dealing with many legacy systems I have learned to try almost anything to work around.
 
Have a good evening
Patti
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel



Bizarrely enough, this appears to be the answer. Those accursed single
quotes! Who knew?

Arthur

On Nov 28, 2007 3:37 PM, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)
<Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
wrote:

> hi Arthur
> Sorry I am not at work to really try this out before sending a answer
> if I had a copy of the excel spreadsheet I could play with it a bit more
> and test
> But when building strings and I tend to put the " and ' in using the CHR()
>  and have gotten around many problems
>
> Dim strFormula as String
> strFormula = CHR(34) & "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) &
> strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV
> FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
> strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)" & CHR(34)
>
> or
> strFormula =  "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) &
> strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV
> FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
> strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"
>
> HTH
> Patti
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 18:51:23 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:51:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B3@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
References: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
	<29f585dd0711281539l310b44f2g57fed833032a7486@mail.gmail.com>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B3@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711281651s3a62bafet7ca92da2f2854ace@mail.gmail.com>

Patti,

Given SQL Server's "respect" for single quotes, here's another trick (which
you may already know). When accepting a name such as O'Connor, do a Replace
of single quote with a pair of single quotes. That gets the data in as you
wanted. I ran into this very often in an app a while ago, and eventually
wrote a function to deal with it:

Function sqTo2sq( ByRef str as String )
   If Instr( str, Chr(39) ) > 0 then
      sqTo2sq = Replace( str, Chr(39), (Chr(39) & Chr(39) )
   End If
End Function

I didn't copy and paste, so this is the gmail compiler at not work. But
that's a best guess.

Arthur

On 11/28/07, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA) <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
wrote:
>
> Arthur
> Glad it worked !!  Will add it to the list of " you better remember"
> For me with a last name of O'Connor and dealing with many legacy systems I
> have learned to try almost anything to work around.
>
> Have a good evening
> Patti
>


From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Wed Nov 28 21:46:57 2007
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (steve)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:46:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Convert to 2007; Dependencies
In-Reply-To: <009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com><005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <8E5309988E5E402B9AE235B711D4D8F2@symphony.symphonyinfo.com>

 
My initial attempts at converting Acc2000 mdbs to Acc07 have been not going
well.  It will convert, but at the end it tells me that Object Name
Dependencies must be mapped, and that Track Name Autocorrect must be turned
on, before the app will actually work.  I can see all the objects in the
left side navigation pane, and Acc07 presented me with a right pane showing
the Dependencies, but I can't figure out how to trigger that action. What am
I missing?  The converted file is essentially unworkable.

Coincidentally, I accidentally stumbled on that problem in the Acc2000
database (a 7 years old db) for the very first time today.  I pulled an
Front end table into design mode, and looked at its properties.  Then I get
that the very same Dependencies message that I've never seen before.
Happily, the dialog box offered to turn on Track AutoName Correct, and began
the process, which took about 15 minutes to do.  I don't know what's
different or why this is required.  I've always shied away from the
TrackNameAutocorrect because I don't like Access doing things without me
knowing.

Internet searches for this issue turn up very little.  Help!

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
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Phone:  763-391-7400 ext 801
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Nov 29 01:32:55 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:32:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CFD8@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F78@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thx Drew, I'll take a look at that.

I'm use now some HTML code to find a specific piece of text on the page,
so I will need to change that. But it's certainly worth to investigate.

Erwin


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

A relatively simple way would be to open it with a browser, and just
read the text of it:

brwWebBrowser.Document.Body.innertext

where bwWebBrowser would be an instance of IE.

Drew

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IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin:

I have always just opened a page in the browser and simply cut and
pasted
from there. Do you want an automated process?

Jim

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Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 29 05:38:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:38:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74eb2d2.018@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Just curious, why wouldn't this control fit your purpose?
To me it seems exactly what you are looking for but I may be missing something.

<quote>
The Chilkat ASP String Component is freeware and may be used in any ASP application. To install, download and unzip the ASP String Component. Then copy the CkString.dll to a directory on your ASP Web Server and register it with regsvr32.exe.
The CkString.dll is a standard ActiveX component. It may also be used in Visual Basic 6.0, Delphi, Cold Fusion, Visual FoxPro, PowerBuilder, MFC, or any other programming language that supports ActiveX components.
</quote>

http://www.example-code.com/asp/aspstring.asp 

Example code here:

<snip>
set cks = Server.CreateObject("CkString.CkString")

' Strip HTML from a string.
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a testHere is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str + "<br>"

' Perhaps it's better to replace <br> tags with SPACE chars first...
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.ReplaceAll "<br>"," "
cks.ReplaceAll "<BR>"," "
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a test Here is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str
</snip>

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 20:40 >>>
I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Nov 29 06:07:06 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:07:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <s74eb2d2.018@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F7D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I thought it was a ASP for websites only!
Didn't see the "Strip HTML tags from a string" but only the " HTML
Entity Decode"
Mea culpa, I'll turn my but so you can kick it....

Rather like to have the VB code than the control, but it should do it...

Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin

Just curious, why wouldn't this control fit your purpose?
To me it seems exactly what you are looking for but I may be missing
something.

<quote>
The Chilkat ASP String Component is freeware and may be used in any ASP
application. To install, download and unzip the ASP String Component.
Then copy the CkString.dll to a directory on your ASP Web Server and
register it with regsvr32.exe.
The CkString.dll is a standard ActiveX component. It may also be used in
Visual Basic 6.0, Delphi, Cold Fusion, Visual FoxPro, PowerBuilder, MFC,
or any other programming language that supports ActiveX components.
</quote>

http://www.example-code.com/asp/aspstring.asp 

Example code here:

<snip>
set cks = Server.CreateObject("CkString.CkString")

' Strip HTML from a string.
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a
href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a testHere is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str + "<br>"

' Perhaps it's better to replace <br> tags with SPACE chars first...
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a
href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.ReplaceAll "<br>"," "
cks.ReplaceAll "<BR>"," "
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a test Here is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str
</snip>

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 20:40 >>>
I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 29 06:26:14 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:26:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74ebe1a.020@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Good! That explains.
No kicking from here, but it would be nice if you posted your findings from experimenting with it.

Building an HTML parser yourself is an alternative but it's like reinventing the wheel.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 29-11-2007 13:07 >>>
I thought it was a ASP for websites only!
Didn't see the "Strip HTML tags from a string" but only the " HTML
Entity Decode"
Mea culpa, I'll turn my but so you can kick it....

Rather like to have the VB code than the control, but it should do it...

Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin

Just curious, why wouldn't this control fit your purpose?
To me it seems exactly what you are looking for but I may be missing
something.

<quote>
The Chilkat ASP String Component is freeware and may be used in any ASP
application. To install, download and unzip the ASP String Component.
Then copy the CkString.dll to a directory on your ASP Web Server and
register it with regsvr32.exe.
The CkString.dll is a standard ActiveX component. It may also be used in
Visual Basic 6.0, Delphi, Cold Fusion, Visual FoxPro, PowerBuilder, MFC,
or any other programming language that supports ActiveX components.
</quote>

http://www.example-code.com/asp/aspstring.asp 

Example code here:

<snip>
set cks = Server.CreateObject("CkString.CkString")

' Strip HTML from a string.
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a
href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a testHere is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str + "<br>"

' Perhaps it's better to replace <br> tags with SPACE chars first...
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a
href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.ReplaceAll "<br>"," "
cks.ReplaceAll "<BR>"," "
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a test Here is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str
</snip>

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 20:40 >>>
I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.





From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Thu Nov 29 07:04:13 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:04:13 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F78@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CFD8@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F78@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <200711300004.13685.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

.Innertext will only return the complete html of the tag it is invoked on.
This includes all tags, scripting and booofle contained therein.

I have never yet been successful at html "scraping".  At best you can locate 
and extract [bold]well constructed[/bold] and [bold]for want of a better 
phrase, "well formed"[/bold] information.

However, the problems are:
1) the html page syntax can change, almost daily.
2) the paucious (specious?) html specification means that tag (mis)matching 
breaks the syntax parsing continually.

Much better to investigate whether there is an xml feed equivalent.

regards
bruce

 


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Nov 29 07:44:30 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:44:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms
In-Reply-To: <20071128230746.197BF19FB0@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370EB13@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
	<20071128230746.197BF19FB0@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370ECC7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

The code actually removes the restore window button. The problem with
turning off the close button is that when a form is maximized in code
the button reaapears.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

You can turn the Close button for forms on or off using each form's
property
sheet.  I turn it off for every form.  Same for Min/Max.

Perhaps that would work . . .

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

I am using the API: Remove Close button from maximized forms from the
Access Web website.(www.mvps.org/access/api/aqpioo22.htm) It works great
on the first form in the DB that opens. On subsequent forms the result
is not as good. The form opens to full size with the blue bar across the
top. I use the following lines of code to run the function from the on
open event.

 

DoCmd.Restore

DoEvents

MaximizeRestoredForm Me

 

I have also tried it explicitly naming the form with the same result.

 

Thanks for your ideas.

 

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Nov 29 08:04:28 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:04:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370ECC7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370EB13@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><20071128230746.197BF19FB0@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370ECC7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <000501c83290$c1da7ca0$0300a8c0@danwaters>

I just looked at one of my forms - try this:

Control Box = No
Min Max Buttons = None
Close Button = No
Whats This Button = No

This combination of property settings keeps everything not visible on my
forms (but I always have a separate Close button).  However, I haven't used
maximized forms so I haven't seen what that would do.

Good Luck
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

The code actually removes the restore window button. The problem with
turning off the close button is that when a form is maximized in code
the button reaapears.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

You can turn the Close button for forms on or off using each form's
property
sheet.  I turn it off for every form.  Same for Min/Max.

Perhaps that would work . . .

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

I am using the API: Remove Close button from maximized forms from the
Access Web website.(www.mvps.org/access/api/aqpioo22.htm) It works great
on the first form in the DB that opens. On subsequent forms the result
is not as good. The form opens to full size with the blue bar across the
top. I use the following lines of code to run the function from the on
open event.

 

DoCmd.Restore

DoEvents

MaximizeRestoredForm Me

 

I have also tried it explicitly naming the form with the same result.

 

Thanks for your ideas.

 

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Nov 29 22:01:23 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:01:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>

All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)

I wrote:
For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" & 
fld.Name & "])"
    qdfTrim.Execute
Next

When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
What's going on here?

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 



From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Thu Nov 29 23:52:06 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:52:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B5@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

I think you are getting field.NAME mixed up with the value in the field.VALUE.
 I am not at work so I can't verify the full statement but you could try
 
Dim oDB As DAO.Database
Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
Dim oFld As DAO.Field

Dim strTmp as string
Dim strSql as string
 
Set oDB = CurrentDb
Set oTbl = odb.TableDefs("CASS")
strSql = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" 
 
For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
    strTmp = TRIM(ofld.VALUE)
    Debug.print = ofld.Name " - Untrimmed: " & LEN(fld.VALUE)  & " trimmed: " & LEN(strTmp)

    qdfTrim.SQL = strSQL & ofld.Name & "] =  " & strTmp 
    qdfTrim.Execute
Next

HTH
 
*************************************************************
* Patricia E. O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer/Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (W) mailto:aa1160 at otda.state.ny.us
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All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)

I wrote:
For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" &
fld.Name & "])"
    qdfTrim.Execute
Next

When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
What's going on here?

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 06:45:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:45:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
Message-ID: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 06:53:59 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:53:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711300453i7193a214ydc276ee43b5354f9@mail.gmail.com>

If I'm not dead and cremated by then, Gustav, this could be important. I
will look into it, on the off-chance that I'm still breathing when it
happens. Better safe than sorry.

A.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 07:00:56 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:00:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001201c83351$0c307910$647aa8c0@M90>

OK, let's get real.  Assuming that Moore's law continues for that period, we
would double the number of transistors every 2 years which means 12 years /
2 = 6 doublings.  We currently have 4 processors so that means 2^8
processors = 256 processors.  

The problem as I see it is that memory module size is stalled.  I have to
hope that the problem lies in the fact that 32 bit windows did not allow
more than 4 g byte so there was no active need to go further.  With the 64
bit OS' finally making it into the picture, perhaps the memory module makers
will put the problem back on the front burner.

On a more interesting note, Solid State Disks are finally here and readily
available:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&Tpk=solid+state
+disk

Yes, they are still expensive but even these prices are low compared to what
was available and these prices are dropping rapidly as manufacturing picks
up steam.  Dell is now actually shipping laptops with a 64 gb solid state
disk. 

We live in exciting times.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 07:05:58 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:05:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B5@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <001c01c83351$c517fbb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Patricia & Group,

I wish to trim all values in the column rather than set them
all to a single value. I will certainly try this on a copy of my
table, but the SQL view of an Update query will confirm that
the Field.Name should be used.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)" <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


>I think you are getting field.NAME mixed up with the value in the 
>field.VALUE.
> I am not at work so I can't verify the full statement but you could try
>
> Dim oDB As DAO.Database
> Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
> Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
> Dim oFld As DAO.Field
>
> Dim strTmp as string
> Dim strSql as string
>
> Set oDB = CurrentDb
> Set oTbl = odb.TableDefs("CASS")
> strSql = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.["
>
> For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
>    strTmp = TRIM(ofld.VALUE)
>    Debug.print = ofld.Name " - Untrimmed: " & LEN(fld.VALUE)  & " trimmed: 
> " & LEN(strTmp)
>
>    qdfTrim.SQL = strSQL & ofld.Name & "] =  " & strTmp
>    qdfTrim.Execute
> Next
>
> HTH
>
> *************************************************************
> * Patricia E. O'Connor
> * Associate Computer Programmer/Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
> * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> * (W) mailto:aa1160 at otda.state.ny.us
> ***********************************************************
>
>
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> otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you 
> received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to 
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> delete the e-mail from your system.
>
>
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>
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Michael R Mattys
> Sent: Thu 11/29/2007 11:01 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>
>
>
> All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)
>
> I wrote:
> For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
>    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" &
> fld.Name & "])"
>    qdfTrim.Execute
> Next
>
> When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
> How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
> What's going on here?
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 07:08:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:08:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>

What I find amusing is that the current 4 core desktop computer is more that
a supercomputer from 1980.  Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago.  We could simulate a
nuclear bomb or the weather if we were willing to allow our computers to run
uninterrupted for a couple of months. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 08:04:06 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:04:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B5@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
	<001c01c83351$c517fbb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <004301c83359$e58e8e10$0202a8c0@Laptop>


Unfortunately, strTmp = Trim(oFld.Value) is invalid in this context.
Thank you anyway, Patricia. Feel free to try again. I'm stumped.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Patricia & Group,
>
> I wish to trim all values in the column rather than set them
> all to a single value. I will certainly try this on a copy of my
> table, but the SQL view of an Update query will confirm that
> the Field.Name should be used.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)" <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>
>
>>I think you are getting field.NAME mixed up with the value in the
>>field.VALUE.
>> I am not at work so I can't verify the full statement but you could try
>>
>> Dim oDB As DAO.Database
>> Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
>> Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
>> Dim oFld As DAO.Field
>>
>> Dim strTmp as string
>> Dim strSql as string
>>
>> Set oDB = CurrentDb
>> Set oTbl = odb.TableDefs("CASS")
>> strSql = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.["
>>
>> For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
>>    strTmp = TRIM(ofld.VALUE)
>>    Debug.print = ofld.Name " - Untrimmed: " & LEN(fld.VALUE)  & " 
>> trimmed:
>> " & LEN(strTmp)
>>
>>    qdfTrim.SQL = strSQL & ofld.Name & "] =  " & strTmp
>>    qdfTrim.Execute
>> Next
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> *************************************************************
>> * Patricia E. O'Connor
>> * Associate Computer Programmer/Analyst
>> * OTDA - BDMA
>> * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
>> * (W) mailto:aa1160 at otda.state.ny.us
>> ***********************************************************
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged 
>> or
>> otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If 
>> you
>> received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to
>> send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or
>> its attachments.  Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail 
>> and
>> delete the e-mail from your system.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Michael R Mattys
>> Sent: Thu 11/29/2007 11:01 PM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>>
>>
>>
>> All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)
>>
>> I wrote:
>> For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
>>    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" &
>> fld.Name & "])"
>>    qdfTrim.Execute
>> Next
>>
>> When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
>> How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
>> What's going on here?
>>
>> Michael R. Mattys
>> MapPoint & Access Dev
>> www.mattysconsulting.com
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 08:28:20 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:28:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00e901c8335d$4217f2e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Oh year, what a good idea. WOPR all over again...Play "Global Thermonuclear
War"

Wikepeida says:-

WOPR is a form of artificial intelligence, programmed to play numerous
strategy and war games, including one called Global Thermonuclear War, the
purpose being to enable itself to optimally respond to any possible enemy
nuclear attack.

WarGames
In WarGames, David Lightman (Matthew Broderick), a teenage computer hacker
unwittingly makes contact with WOPR by dialing random phone numbers (known
as Wardialing). Believing he has discovered a backdoor to the mainframe at a
computer game development company, he hacks into WOPR, finds a list of games
and gives the command to play the Global Thermonuclear War scenario. In the
process, WOPR begins running the simulation on the main screen at NORAD,
making the staff there think the Soviet Union is readying their missiles for
a first strike.


Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

What I find amusing is that the current 4 core desktop computer is more that
a supercomputer from 1980.  Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago.  We could simulate a
nuclear bomb or the weather if we were willing to allow our computers to run
uninterrupted for a couple of months. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 08:31:32 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:31:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s7502ce8.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

Haven't followed this thread until now. 
Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...

/gustav

>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Michael R Mattys
>> Sent: Thu 11/29/2007 11:01 PM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>>
>> All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)
>>
>> I wrote:
>> For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
>>    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" &
>> fld.Name & "])"
>>    qdfTrim.Execute
>> Next
>>
>> When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
>> How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
>> What's going on here?
>>
>> Michael R. Mattys
>> MapPoint & Access Dev
>> www.mattysconsulting.com 





From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 08:36:54 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:36:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B5@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
	<001c01c83351$c517fbb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<004301c83359$e58e8e10$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <004e01c8335e$7885b4b0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

This didn't work either; maybe the table is corrupt?

Function TrimCass()

    Dim oDB As DAO.Database
    Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
    Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
    Dim oFld As DAO.Field

    Dim strTmp As String
    Dim strSql As String

    Set oDB = CurrentDb
    Set oQry = oDB.CreateQueryDef("Trimmer", "SELECT * FROM CASS")
    Set oTbl = oDB.TableDefs("CASS")

    For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
        oQry.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & oFld.Name & "] = Trim([" & 
oFld.Name & "])"
        oDB.QueryDefs.Refresh
        DoCmd.SetWarnings False
        DoCmd.SelectObject acQuery, "Trimmer", True
        DoCmd.OpenQuery "Trimmer", acViewNormal
        DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    Next

    Set oTbl = Nothing
    Set oQry = Nothing
    Set oDB = Nothing

End Function

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


>
> Unfortunately, strTmp = Trim(oFld.Value) is invalid in this context.
> Thank you anyway, Patricia. Feel free to try again. I'm stumped.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com



From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 08:46:24 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:46:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s7502ce8.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005501c8335f$d0b14f90$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Gustav,

I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 

I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
> 
> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
> 
> /gustav


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 09:00:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:00:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s750339b.059@cactus.dk>

Hi Matt

Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:

Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String

' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
'
' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
  
  Dim lngTemp As Long
  Dim lngChop As Long
  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim strTemp As String
  Dim strTrim As String
    
  strTemp = Trim(strString)
  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
  If lngTemp > 0 Then
    strTrim = strTemp
    lngChop = 1
    Do
      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
      If lngChop > 0 Then
        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
      End If
    Loop Until lngChop = 0
    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
  End If
  
  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)

End Function

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 

I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
> 
> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
> 
> /gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 09:05:58 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:05:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s7503505.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

Ignoring Trim for a moment, why not just execute a temporary query:

Function TrimCass()

    Dim oDB As DAO.Database
    Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
    Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
    Dim oFld As DAO.Field

    Dim strTmp As String
    Dim strSql As String

    Set oDB = CurrentDb
    Set oQry = oDB.CreateQueryDef("", "SELECT * FROM CASS")
    Set oTbl = oDB.TableDefs("CASS")

    For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
        oQry.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & oFld.Name & "] = Trim([" & oFld.Name & "])"
        oQry.Execute
    Next

    Set oFld = Nothing
    Set oTbl = Nothing
    Set oQry = Nothing
    Set oDB = Nothing

End Function

/gustav




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:12:18 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:12:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s750339b.059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <007801c83363$9f904430$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Thanks Gustav,

That took out all spaces, proving the table is not corrupt
However, these are addresses ... :)

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Matt
> 
> Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:
> 
> Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String
> 
> ' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
> '
> ' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.
> 
>  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
>  
>  Dim lngTemp As Long
>  Dim lngChop As Long
>  Dim lngLoop As Long
>  Dim strTemp As String
>  Dim strTrim As String
>    
>  strTemp = Trim(strString)
>  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
>  If lngTemp > 0 Then
>    strTrim = strTemp
>    lngChop = 1
>    Do
>      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
>      If lngChop > 0 Then
>        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
>        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
>        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
>        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
>      End If
>    Loop Until lngChop = 0
>    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
>  End If
>  
>  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
>  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)
> 
> End Function
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
> 
> I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
> extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
> text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 
> 
> I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
> 
> 
>> Hi Michael
>> 
>> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
>> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
>> 
>> /gustav
> 
> 
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:13:46 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:13:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s7503505.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <007901c83363$a072b4f0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Yes, that's what I had originally.
Trim() does not appear to work at all
I'll have to do it with a custom function like yours.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
>
> Ignoring Trim for a moment, why not just execute a temporary query:
>
> Function TrimCass()
>
>    Dim oDB As DAO.Database
>    Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
>    Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
>    Dim oFld As DAO.Field
>
>    Dim strTmp As String
>    Dim strSql As String
>
>    Set oDB = CurrentDb
>    Set oQry = oDB.CreateQueryDef("", "SELECT * FROM CASS")
>    Set oTbl = oDB.TableDefs("CASS")
>
>    For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
>        oQry.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & oFld.Name & "] = Trim([" & 
> oFld.Name & "])"
>        oQry.Execute
>    Next
>
>    Set oFld = Nothing
>    Set oTbl = Nothing
>    Set oQry = Nothing
>    Set oDB = Nothing
>
> End Function
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:24:40 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:24:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s7503505.060@cactus.dk> <007901c83363$a072b4f0$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <008b01c83365$23c1dc40$0202a8c0@Laptop>


I'm going to try this Trim replacement:
http://www.vbcode.com/Asp/showsn.asp?theID=967

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Yes, that's what I had originally.
> Trim() does not appear to work at all
> I'll have to do it with a custom function like yours.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>
>
>> Hi Michael
>>
>> Ignoring Trim for a moment, why not just execute a temporary query:



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 09:30:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:30:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s7503ac8.061@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

OK, then try to modify it like this:

 Const cstrSpace As String * 2 = "  "

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 16:12 >>>
Thanks Gustav,

That took out all spaces, proving the table is not corrupt
However, these are addresses ... :)

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Matt
> 
> Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:
> 
> Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String
> 
> ' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
> '
> ' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.
> 
>  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
>  
>  Dim lngTemp As Long
>  Dim lngChop As Long
>  Dim lngLoop As Long
>  Dim strTemp As String
>  Dim strTrim As String
>    
>  strTemp = Trim(strString)
>  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
>  If lngTemp > 0 Then
>    strTrim = strTemp
>    lngChop = 1
>    Do
>      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
>      If lngChop > 0 Then
>        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
>        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
>        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
>        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
>      End If
>    Loop Until lngChop = 0
>    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
>  End If
>  
>  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
>  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)
> 
> End Function
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
> 
> I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
> extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
> text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 
> 
> I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
> 
> 
>> Hi Michael
>> 
>> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
>> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
>> 
>> /gustav





From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Nov 30 09:39:06 2007
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:39:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584C070@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Not having worked with Access 2007 this is just a wag, but in SQL you can
set a field as char (fixed length text) or varchar ( variable length text).
Is this same capability in Access 2007 and could it be that your field type
is set to fixed length?

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael R Mattys [mailto:mmattys at rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007



I'm going to try this Trim replacement:
http://www.vbcode.com/Asp/showsn.asp?theID=967

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Yes, that's what I had originally.
> Trim() does not appear to work at all
> I'll have to do it with a custom function like yours.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>
>
>> Hi Michael
>>
>> Ignoring Trim for a moment, why not just execute a temporary query:

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From pharold at proftesting.com  Fri Nov 30 09:40:38 2007
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:40:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s750339b.059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B0790C1@exchange.ptiorl.local>

Michael

I think if you change the constant to 

  Const cstrSpace As String * 2 = "  " 

It should replace all double spaces with a single space.  If there are
multiple spaces, especially if the field is right packed, the loop would
have to be rerun until no double spaces exist.


Perry Harold


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007

Hi Matt

Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:

Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String

' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
'
' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
  
  Dim lngTemp As Long
  Dim lngChop As Long
  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim strTemp As String
  Dim strTrim As String
    
  strTemp = Trim(strString)
  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
  If lngTemp > 0 Then
    strTrim = strTemp
    lngChop = 1
    Do
      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
      If lngChop > 0 Then
        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
      End If
    Loop Until lngChop = 0
    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
  End If
  
  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)

End Function

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have extra
spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width text-file, but I
only receive the accdb. 

I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
> 
> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
> 
> /gustav


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:48:31 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:48:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s7503ac8.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00ae01c83368$7ace1280$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Yes! Excellent, Gustav.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
> 
> OK, then try to modify it like this:
> 
> Const cstrSpace As String * 2 = "  "
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 16:12 >>>
> Thanks Gustav,
> 
> That took out all spaces, proving the table is not corrupt
> However, these are addresses ... :)
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
> 
> 
>> Hi Matt
>> 
>> Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:
>> 
>> Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String
>> 
>> ' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
>> '
>> ' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.
>> 
>>  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
>>  
>>  Dim lngTemp As Long
>>  Dim lngChop As Long
>>  Dim lngLoop As Long
>>  Dim strTemp As String
>>  Dim strTrim As String
>>    
>>  strTemp = Trim(strString)
>>  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
>>  If lngTemp > 0 Then
>>    strTrim = strTemp
>>    lngChop = 1
>>    Do
>>      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
>>      If lngChop > 0 Then
>>        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
>>        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
>>        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
>>        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
>>      End If
>>    Loop Until lngChop = 0
>>    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
>>  End If
>>  
>>  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
>>  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)
>> 
>> End Function
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
>> Hi Gustav,
>> 
>> I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
>> extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
>> text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 
>> 
>> I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.
>> 
>> Michael R. Mattys
>> MapPoint & Access Dev
>> www.mattysconsulting.com 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Michael
>>> 
>>> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
>>> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
>>> 
>>> /gustav
> 
> 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 09:49:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: For the diversified list
Message-ID: <00f001c83368$a8f40980$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>From my 9 year old granddaughters: 

When you go into the bathroom, you're American. 
When you come out of the bathroom, you're American. 

What are you when you're IN the bathroom.... 

.

.

.

.

You're a peein!  

<groan>









Yo


From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:54:42 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:54:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584C070@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <00b301c83369$53c8cb70$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Rusty,

No, still the same old field definitions (afaict)
Gustav's function works, I don't know why Trim wouldn't.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Not having worked with Access 2007 this is just a wag, but in SQL you can
> set a field as char (fixed length text) or varchar ( variable length 
> text).
> Is this same capability in Access 2007 and could it be that your field 
> type
> is set to fixed length?
>
> Rusty



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Nov 30 10:04:50 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:04:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED74E0@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Early adopters form a line. Personally I don't need to spend over $3,399 on
a 128 Gig drive. 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609259

Interesting that the spec provided quote data throughput but not access
speeds.

I think I'll wait until it gets down to a more realistic $40 or $50. :-)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136075

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang


<snip>

On a more interesting note, Solid State Disks are finally here and readily
available:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&Tpk=solid+state
+disk

Yes, they are still expensive but even these prices are low compared to what
was available and these prices are dropping rapidly as manufacturing picks
up steam.  Dell is now actually shipping laptops with a 64 gb solid state
disk. 

We live in exciting times.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing. Erlang is one. And it is free
and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 10:06:16 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:06:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s750431f.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

It could be that Trim on its own is a native function of JET SQL while using a custom function will call Trim of VBA.

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 16:54 >>>
Hi Rusty,

No, still the same old field definitions (afaict)
Gustav's function works, I don't know why Trim wouldn't.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Not having worked with Access 2007 this is just a wag, but in SQL you can
> set a field as char (fixed length text) or varchar ( variable length 
> text).
> Is this same capability in Access 2007 and could it be that your field 
> type
> is set to fixed length?
>
> Rusty






From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 10:24:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:24:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED74E0@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED74E0@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c8336d$6e1dd5c0$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL, think back Lambert.  In 1982 I purchased a dual 8" floppy which
provided me with 1 mb of data storage per drive.  $600 Paid.

I am certainly not buying these solid state disks, simply noting that they
are finally available.  However last year I paid $125 for a board and $100 /
gigabyte to build a 4 gig ram drive because I needed it.  The access speed
was key to getting double the performance out of an address validation
system.  That is $500 for 4 gigs, which I purchased less than 2 years ago,
and it did exactly what I needed and paid for itself 10 times over.  These
new drives are $430 for a 32 gig drive that is plug in compatible with my
IDE port.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147021

And how much was your example hard disk 2 years ago?

These flash disks will probably never replace rotating media everywhere, but
they are actually a great medium for certain uses.  Imagine a data logger on
low powered system, or in a car, logging data from the car's engine, or in
an airplane logging data, or in a low power laptop.  There are many places
where the unreliability of rotating media just makes them risky to use.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Early adopters form a line. Personally I don't need to spend over $3,399 on
a 128 Gig drive. 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609259

Interesting that the spec provided quote data throughput but not access
speeds.

I think I'll wait until it gets down to a more realistic $40 or $50. :-)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136075

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang


<snip>

On a more interesting note, Solid State Disks are finally here and readily
available:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&Tpk=solid+state
+disk

Yes, they are still expensive but even these prices are low compared to what
was available and these prices are dropping rapidly as manufacturing picks
up steam.  Dell is now actually shipping laptops with a 64 gb solid state
disk. 

We live in exciting times.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing. Erlang is one. And it is free
and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 10:49:42 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:49:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s750431f.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <010601c83371$02564b70$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Gustav,

I don't know, but I'll use your MTrim from now on.
Thanks again.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
>
> It could be that Trim on its own is a native function of JET SQL while 
> using a custom function will call Trim of VBA.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 16:54 >>>
> Hi Rusty,
>
> No, still the same old field definitions (afaict)
> Gustav's function works, I don't know why Trim wouldn't.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov 30 11:08:03 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:08:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk> <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001401c83373$91d944d0$8abea8c0@XPS>

<< Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago. >>

  Because we use Windoze...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

What I find amusing is that the current 4 core desktop computer is more that
a supercomputer from 1980.  Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago.  We could simulate a
nuclear bomb or the weather if we were willing to allow our computers to run
uninterrupted for a couple of months. 


John W. Colby
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www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 11:38:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:38:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <001401c83373$91d944d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk> <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<001401c83373$91d944d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <001d01c83377$d2a73f40$647aa8c0@M90>

Well besides that...

There are plenty of Linux machines running. 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

<< Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool things that ran on the
supercomputers 30 years ago. >>

  Because we use Windoze...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

What I find amusing is that the current 4 core desktop computer is more that
a supercomputer from 1980.  Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago.  We could simulate a
nuclear bomb or the weather if we were willing to allow our computers to run
uninterrupted for a couple of months. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 11:51:21 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:51:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: For the diversified list
In-Reply-To: <00f001c83368$a8f40980$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <00f001c83368$a8f40980$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711300951n7eef6a6jddd4835e6f7a5fdf@mail.gmail.com>

HA. Good one!

GK

On 11/30/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >From my 9 year old granddaughters:
>
> When you go into the bathroom, you're American.
> When you come out of the bathroom, you're American.
>
> What are you when you're IN the bathroom....
>
> .
>
> .
>
> .
>
> .
>
> You're a peein!
>
> <groan>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yo
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 12:35:25 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s750431f.063@cactus.dk> <010601c83371$02564b70$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <016001c8337f$ca009c80$0202a8c0@Laptop>

I figured out what went wrong, but I still don't like it:

The imported table name is also called CASS
The SQL I used to create the table was 
SELECT TRIM([ID]) AS ID, ... INTO CASS FROM CASS IN 'dbpath'

No error occurred in the code, but manually creating the query tells
me that TRIM([ID]) AS ID is a circular reference. It created the table
anyway, it just refused to Trim.

??

(I did not use On Error Resume Next)

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 12:53:52 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:53:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s7506a68.066@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

That's what happens when you keep small secrets for yourself ... had you posted the full SQL we would, of course, have spotted that right away(?)

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 19:35 >>>
I figured out what went wrong, but I still don't like it:

The imported table name is also called CASS
The SQL I used to create the table was 
SELECT TRIM([ID]) AS ID, ... INTO CASS FROM CASS IN 'dbpath'

No error occurred in the code, but manually creating the query tells
me that TRIM([ID]) AS ID is a circular reference. It created the table
anyway, it just refused to Trim.

??

(I did not use On Error Resume Next)

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 06:47:22 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 07:47:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <00eb01c81c09$29e5f980$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <00eb01c81c09$29e5f980$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>

Jennifer,

That is fascinating because I have a client with the same issue.  Outlook
only upgraded to 2003, the rest left at 2000, can't export to Excel.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:58 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003

Happy Halloween Everyone,

I have a client that for reasons relating to Outlook has updated their
systems to Office 2003, without Access 2003, while leaving Access 2000 so
that my databases can run.  I don't want to move the databases to Access
2003 because they are running fine in A2K and have been for years.  However,
they are running into some bumps in the road, particularly with exporting to
Excel using Tools > Office Links.

If anybody has an tips regarding the co-existence of Office 2003 with Access
2000 I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
databasics
Newbury Park, CA
office:  (805) 480-1921
fax:	   (805) 499-0467 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 07:43:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:43:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
Message-ID: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 07:56:28 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:56:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711010556q279b56f1ha7ae175d4568ab33@mail.gmail.com>

There is a commercial add-in that restores the old look.
http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/?gclid=CODuvoDZu48CFQ6CPAodl268cg
.
This reminds me of the petroleum companies. First they charge you to put
lead into gasoline, then they charge you to take it out.
A.

On 11/1/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
> discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
> standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
> customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back
> when
> the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
> monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
> are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
> newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
> the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
> if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 08:10:43 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:10:43 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711010556q279b56f1ha7ae175d4568ab33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007d01c81c88$9c7bfb00$8119fea9@LTVM>


...and then they charge double the total again if you live in the UK

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

There is a commercial add-in that restores the old look.
http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/?gclid=CODuvoDZu48CFQ6CPAodl268
cg
.
This reminds me of the petroleum companies. First they charge you to put
lead into gasoline, then they charge you to take it out.
A.

On 11/1/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has 
> discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back 
> the standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a 
> couple of customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 
> format back when the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they 
> purchased newer 17"
> monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the 
> owners are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room 
> for the newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will 
> have to keep the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I 
> can do custom menus if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have
to go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  1 08:24:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:24:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711010556q279b56f1ha7ae175d4568ab33@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
	<29f585dd0711010556q279b56f1ha7ae175d4568ab33@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004301c81c8a$92240d80$647aa8c0@M90>

Yes, I found that.  Notice that the product for each office application is a
separate package and costs $16 (per user I assume?).  In the end all I care
about is Access but still...


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

There is a commercial add-in that restores the old look.
http://www.addintools.com/english/menuoffice/?gclid=CODuvoDZu48CFQ6CPAodl268
cg
.
This reminds me of the petroleum companies. First they charge you to put
lead into gasoline, then they charge you to take it out.
A.

On 11/1/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has 
> discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back 
> the standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a 
> couple of customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 
> format back when the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they 
> purchased newer 17"
> monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the 
> owners are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room 
> for the newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will 
> have to keep the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I 
> can do custom menus if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have
to go.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov  1 09:17:34 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:17:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <00eb01c81c09$29e5f980$6501a8c0@jefferson>
	<002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005701c81c91$f2ad52e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I had never tried this while I had all versions of office installed and
unfortunately I uninstalled all O2k apps a couple of months ago.

Could this be due to the Office tools installed during the upgrade to
Outlook 2003? I'll have to look through all my PCs and see if there is one
with only O2k left on it. - I think I have a win2k PC like that. If no one
else has this setup, I'll upgrade it to Outlook 2003 and see what happens.
Fun stuff, eh?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby

That is fascinating because I have a client with the same issue.  Outlook
only upgraded to 2003, the rest left at 2000, can't export to Excel.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com

If anybody has an tips regarding the co-existence of Office 2003 with Access
2000 I would greatly appreciate it.




From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov  1 10:13:41 2007
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 08:13:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <30988884F445408690F38E55F7D99BA1@BPCS>

This site has several suggestions on the ribbon. I normally turn off Access 
menus and use my own, and used the "Want my databse created in A2003 do 
display my own menubar only"  from URL  below.

http://www.accessribbon.de/en/index.php?FAQ#VerweisError

I added notes that may or may not be useful but include them anyway.

>From my personal Tech-Tips.

NOTE: does not remove ribbon the first time, must close and reopen??? 5/07

(Not needed on mine because done in open routine)
Remove the tick from:

A2003: "Tools" / "Startup" / "Allow Build-in Toolbars"

Select your menubar from the drop-down "Menu Bar"

Click on main menu, then select Access Options at the bottom Then current 
database and scroll to the Ribbon and tool Options

 A2007: "Office Button" / Button "Access Options" / "Current Database" / 
"Ribbon and Toolbar Options" / "Allow Build-in Toolbars"

Select your menubar from the drop-down "Menu Bar".

Unclick allow built-in toolbars
Click Allow full Menus and allow Default Shortcut Menus
Note I can set the CurrentProject.Properties.Add "AllowBuiltinToolbars", 
True to false
Key Words
Remove Ribbon from  2007






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From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 5:43 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars


I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 11:28:03 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:28:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>

Hello to the list,

I have a table which contains records each of which have a CoID (Company
ID), a JID (Job ID) and some responses to questions; some Boolean and some
currency.
It is a requirement for me to create a query for a report.

A problem I have run into is I need to provide a count of companies that had
a response to a question grouped by JID. Like:

JID	Question	Num Companies
	Answer	Responding

2	Q1Yes		3 
2	Q1No		5
3	Q1Yes		9 
3	Q1No		7
5	Q1Yes		31
5	Q1No		74
8	Q1Yes		3 
8	Q1No		0



Seems like I could get this from some SQL Totals Statement/Query.









From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 11:15:11 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:15:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what you
call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI> 
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in step
3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 11:46:53 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:46:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Have you tried a Totals view?

Set JID to GROUP BY and use SUM on the columns you want to total.

Susan H.


> Hello to the list,
>
> I have a table which contains records each of which have a CoID (Company
> ID), a JID (Job ID) and some responses to questions; some Boolean and some
> currency.
> It is a requirement for me to create a query for a report.
>
> A problem I have run into is I need to provide a count of companies that 
> had
> a response to a question grouped by JID. Like:
>
> JID Question Num Companies
> Answer Responding
>
> 2 Q1Yes 3
> 2 Q1No 5
> 3 Q1Yes 9
> 3 Q1No 7
> 5 Q1Yes 31
> 5 Q1No 74
> 8 Q1Yes 3
> 8 Q1No 0
>
>
>
> Seems like I could get this from some SQL Totals Statement/Query.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 11:56:59 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:56:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
	<013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B9A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Um ... Office/2006??

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are
the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what
you call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI>
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in
step 3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back
the standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple
of customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format
back when the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased
newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the
owners are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for
the newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to
keep the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do
custom menus if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to
go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  1 12:15:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:15:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
Message-ID: <s72a17c3.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

No cigar here. Neither with 2006 replaced with 2007.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-11-2007 17:15:11 >>>
John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what you
call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI> 
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in step
3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Nov  1 12:24:23 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:24:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B742B2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

We recently bought a backup/restore system called Acronis.  Great
software package. (Bought a server with a few terabytes of drive space
too).  Anywho, Acronis has a rather unique restore process.  With a
Windows 9x system, you could take a hard drive out of one machine, and
put it in another with completely different hardware, and after a
gazillion 'found new hardware' prompts, you'd eventually load Windows
again on the new machine.  Windows NT and 2000 were no where near as
friendly with new hardware.  Acronis does a 'true image' restore,
however, that lets you restore a system on a completely different
machine.  Pretty slick, and works about 95% of the time.

 

Virtual PC has been mentioned on this list before too.  It's a PC
emulator.  You can install all sorts of OSes on virtual hard drives
(which are just files on your real hard drives, though you can setup a
real hard drive as a 'virtual' hard drive in VPC).

 

This post is about something I've been doing the last few weeks, which I
think is just plain cool.  If you use these two software packages, you
can pretty easily create Virtual PCs from live machines.

 

Two examples:  Our Intranet died about a month ago.  One of the hard
drives crashed.  It was in a RAID, but the only machine that had the
same sized drives was my desktop. (80 gig SCSI drives).  So we
cannibalized my desktop to bring the Intranet back up.  We then bought a
new machine for the Intranet. (current machine was a glorified desktop,
new machine an actual rack server).  The old Intranet was Windows 2000
Server (on a PIII 1ghz processor with 768 megs of RAM, a mirrored OS
volume, and a RAID 5 data volume), new machine Windows 2003 Server (a
few gigs of ram, and I think a Xeon processor).  Anywho, there's no easy
way to 'move' an IIS 5.0 'web' to an IIS 6.0 web (though in IIS 6 you
can now save a website to a file to restore...that's nice...now.).  So I
manually moved our Intranet to the new machine.  Didn't mind doing it
that way, since over the years, our Intranet has a lot of unused stuff
on it, so I just moved what was being used......

 

But, now I want my hard drives back (especially since I talked my boss
into letting me 'build' a new machine for my desktop).  But I don't want
to just scrap the old web.  VPC and Acronis to the rescue.  Ran Acronis
to backup the Intranet's drives/system state.  Created two VPC drives.
Booted the VPC environment with an Acronis bootable CD, whalla, I now
have our old Intranet server running in a virtual environment!  Worked
like a charm (though, admittedly, this particular restore was the first
and only one that didn't boot right from the get go, had to do a Windows
2000 repair...thus the 95% comment).  With this Virtual PC environment,
I can do EVERYTHING I could do with the old system, hit it with Remote
Administrator, hit the old Intranet with my web browser, computer
management, hit the drives remotely, etc.  It's just like the old
Intranet is still there, but in reality, it's running in a VPC
environment on my 'newly rebuilt' desktop.

 

The second example is with Goldmine (a contact/customer management)
software package.  We bought a new version about 3 years ago (which
means it's an older version now).  Our account managers are still not
using it, and one of their claims is that all their contacts are in
Outlook.  So I spent a week or two combining everyone's Outlook contacts
(lots of fun), and now I want to import it into Goldmine.  But who wants
to do a huge data import on a live system?  Sure, it's SQL Server based,
so I could back it up, do the import, and restore it if something
goofs...but all of that could be down time for a live system. (In this
particular case, I don't think anyone is using it, but that's besides
the point).  Once again, VPC and Acronis to the rescue.  Did a backup of
the live Goldmine server.  Created a VPC environment and restored
Goldmine too it.  This one was a little trickier from a setup
standpoint.  With the Intranet situation, the new server was MINET2003,
and the old server was MINET.  When I had moved everything over, we
renamed the old machine MinetOLD, and the new machine to MINET.  So when
I created the virtual environment, I just took the physical minetOld
offline.  But with Goldmine, I wanted to created a 'duplicate' server.
Can't have two machines with the same name on the same domain.  So, to
accomplish this, I 'disabled' the network card of the virtual goldmine,
switched it to a workgroup (to take it off the domain), renamed it, then
enabled the NIC, and joined the domain again...and for the Goldmine
software, there was one .ini file (on the virtual server) to get the
clients to see the new virtual server.  Now I have a duplicate server on
the network, that I can completely destroy if I want.  And to bring it
back to the original state, I have two files (about 5 gigs total), that
I just copy and boot up to again.

 

Now, I know with using an .mdb as a data source, you can copy and
'restore' a database without all this mumbo jumbo.  However, I know a
lot of you are working with SQL Server and Oracle backends.  Some are
using web interfaces.  All of these 'servers' can take time to backup
and restore, especially when you are just playing around to see what
affects what.  This software combo can really be a huge time saver!

 

Drew


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 13:00:40 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:00:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <s72a17c3.009@cactus.dk>
References: <s72a17c3.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <021401c81cb1$1df82550$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Bummer.

  Picked it up somewhere but never got around to trying it. My one and only
2007 project to date fell through.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

Hi Jim

No cigar here. Neither with 2006 replaced with 2007.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-11-2007 17:15:11 >>>
John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what you
call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI> 
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in step
3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 13:04:07 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:04:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B742B2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B742B2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703BA1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I've been very impressed with TrueImage, from Acronis, although I've
only used it for my own backups and the occasional restore.  Nice thing
is it can restore at the file level, which is far better than other apps
I've seen. 

Thanks for the info

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 10:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)

We recently bought a backup/restore system called Acronis.  Great
software package. (Bought a server with a few terabytes of drive space
too).  Anywho, Acronis has a rather unique restore process.  With a
Windows 9x system, you could take a hard drive out of one machine, and
put it in another with completely different hardware, and after a
gazillion 'found new hardware' prompts, you'd eventually load Windows
again on the new machine.  Windows NT and 2000 were no where near as
friendly with new hardware.  Acronis does a 'true image' restore,
however, that lets you restore a system on a completely different
machine.  Pretty slick, and works about 95% of the time.

 

Virtual PC has been mentioned on this list before too.  It's a PC
emulator.  You can install all sorts of OSes on virtual hard drives
(which are just files on your real hard drives, though you can setup a
real hard drive as a 'virtual' hard drive in VPC).

 

This post is about something I've been doing the last few weeks, which I
think is just plain cool.  If you use these two software packages, you
can pretty easily create Virtual PCs from live machines.

 

Two examples:  Our Intranet died about a month ago.  One of the hard
drives crashed.  It was in a RAID, but the only machine that had the
same sized drives was my desktop. (80 gig SCSI drives).  So we
cannibalized my desktop to bring the Intranet back up.  We then bought a
new machine for the Intranet. (current machine was a glorified desktop,
new machine an actual rack server).  The old Intranet was Windows 2000
Server (on a PIII 1ghz processor with 768 megs of RAM, a mirrored OS
volume, and a RAID 5 data volume), new machine Windows 2003 Server (a
few gigs of ram, and I think a Xeon processor).  Anywho, there's no easy
way to 'move' an IIS 5.0 'web' to an IIS 6.0 web (though in IIS 6 you
can now save a website to a file to restore...that's nice...now.).  So I
manually moved our Intranet to the new machine.  Didn't mind doing it
that way, since over the years, our Intranet has a lot of unused stuff
on it, so I just moved what was being used......

 

But, now I want my hard drives back (especially since I talked my boss
into letting me 'build' a new machine for my desktop).  But I don't want
to just scrap the old web.  VPC and Acronis to the rescue.  Ran Acronis
to backup the Intranet's drives/system state.  Created two VPC drives.
Booted the VPC environment with an Acronis bootable CD, whalla, I now
have our old Intranet server running in a virtual environment!  Worked
like a charm (though, admittedly, this particular restore was the first
and only one that didn't boot right from the get go, had to do a Windows
2000 repair...thus the 95% comment).  With this Virtual PC environment,
I can do EVERYTHING I could do with the old system, hit it with Remote
Administrator, hit the old Intranet with my web browser, computer
management, hit the drives remotely, etc.  It's just like the old
Intranet is still there, but in reality, it's running in a VPC
environment on my 'newly rebuilt' desktop.

 

The second example is with Goldmine (a contact/customer management)
software package.  We bought a new version about 3 years ago (which
means it's an older version now).  Our account managers are still not
using it, and one of their claims is that all their contacts are in
Outlook.  So I spent a week or two combining everyone's Outlook contacts
(lots of fun), and now I want to import it into Goldmine.  But who wants
to do a huge data import on a live system?  Sure, it's SQL Server based,
so I could back it up, do the import, and restore it if something
goofs...but all of that could be down time for a live system. (In this
particular case, I don't think anyone is using it, but that's besides
the point).  Once again, VPC and Acronis to the rescue.  Did a backup of
the live Goldmine server.  Created a VPC environment and restored
Goldmine too it.  This one was a little trickier from a setup
standpoint.  With the Intranet situation, the new server was MINET2003,
and the old server was MINET.  When I had moved everything over, we
renamed the old machine MinetOLD, and the new machine to MINET.  So when
I created the virtual environment, I just took the physical minetOld
offline.  But with Goldmine, I wanted to created a 'duplicate' server.
Can't have two machines with the same name on the same domain.  So, to
accomplish this, I 'disabled' the network card of the virtual goldmine,
switched it to a workgroup (to take it off the domain), renamed it, then
enabled the NIC, and joined the domain again...and for the Goldmine
software, there was one .ini file (on the virtual server) to get the
clients to see the new virtual server.  Now I have a duplicate server on
the network, that I can completely destroy if I want.  And to bring it
back to the original state, I have two files (about 5 gigs total), that
I just copy and boot up to again.

 

Now, I know with using an .mdb as a data source, you can copy and
'restore' a database without all this mumbo jumbo.  However, I know a
lot of you are working with SQL Server and Oracle backends.  Some are
using web interfaces.  All of these 'servers' can take time to backup
and restore, especially when you are just playing around to see what
affects what.  This software combo can really be a huge time saver!




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 13:07:49 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:07:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <021401c81cb1$1df82550$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <s72a17c3.009@cactus.dk> <021401c81cb1$1df82550$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703BA3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I might very well work with the right XML, but that doesn't look right.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 11:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars


  Bummer.

  Picked it up somewhere but never got around to trying it. My one and
only
2007 project to date fell through.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:15 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

Hi Jim

No cigar here. Neither with 2006 replaced with 2007.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 01-11-2007 17:15:11 >>>
John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are
the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what
you call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI>
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in
step 3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Nov  1 14:07:56 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 15:07:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B9A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <003701c81c84$dda41d00$647aa8c0@M90>
	<013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B9A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <027701c81cba$83b4ad10$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Looks like I picked it off one of the Office Blogs.  It's discussed here
along with another method:

http://www.utteraccess.com/forums/printthread.php?Cat=&Board=91&main=1302379
&type=thread

  In that thread, it says:

"Couldn't get it to work. I looked at other websites - they gave nearly
identical instructions. Couldn't get it to work. 
I gave up on the USysRibbons table idea and posted here. I followed the
example by freakazeud, which worked. I was able to customize the ideas given
by him, with very little problem, other than the issues we've discussed
above here.

I FINALLY figured out that it looks like the XML code in step 3 (Iin the
quote above) is missing a </Ribbon> tag. Funny thing is that this exact
sample XML code is on at least 5 other websites. Looks like a bad example of
copy/paste.
So, I may toy around with it some more, and put the XML code for the ribbon
I have developed, and put that in the USysRibbons table, and see what
happens. "


  Also, the last post may be of interest:

" Re: Disabling Ribbon Bar  
 

Hi, 

I found in the Access 2007 a "How to" page that discloses the cleanest way
to get rid of the ribbon altogether and display your custom menu and
toolbars. Go to "Developer Help" - "How Do I" - "Miscellaneous". 

The key item I got is that in the mdb's startup options, you *must* select
the name of your custom menu bar and persist it to the database using
Access' startup options window. And you must have the "Allow Full Menus" and
"Enable Built In Toolbars" options set to off. These options must have been
set *before* your mdb is opened in Access 2007. Through trial-and-error (as
you did), I found that it is not enough to set the startup menubar on the
fly with VBA code. I do, however, use VBA to display my desired toolbars.
All of this is without the existence of the USysRibbons table. But to be
complete in sharing, I do have the Sys table but have the ribbon name
cleared in Access 2007 startup options."

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

Um ... Office/2006??

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are
the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what
you call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI>
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in
step 3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back
the standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple
of customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format
back when the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased
newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the
owners are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for
the newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to
keep the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do
custom menus if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to
go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Nov  1 14:29:02 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:29:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDC2@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi List,
I have a query with admission rates data for August and September by
providers.  I'm trying to get a running sum across the two months for
each provider.  Put another way, for August we have an admission rate
and I want August admissions added to Septembers on Septembers row like
 
ProviderNo   Report_Date    CalRunTot    Actual Rates
3                    8/1/07            2.46                        2.46
3                    9/1/07            3.45                          .99

5                    8/1/07            8.21                         8.21

5                    9/1/07            9.95                         1.74
 
Hope this doesn't get all  mixed up in transmission, current SQL is
below
 
SELECT qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No AS Provnum,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No, qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_Name,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.report_date, qry_MATS_RunSum4.AdRate,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.RunTot,
DSum("adrate","qry_MATS_RunSum4","Provider_no<=" & [provnum] & " ") AS
CalRunTot
FROM qry_MATS_RunSum4;
 
MTIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 


From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 14:55:17 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 12:55:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>
	<00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>

Thanks for getting back to me.

What I need is to count the number of companies.
It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
How many different companies responded to the question and many yes and how
many no.


TIA
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Have you tried a Totals view?

Set JID to GROUP BY and use SUM on the columns you want to total.

Susan H.


> Hello to the list,
>
> I have a table which contains records each of which have a CoID 
> (Company ID), a JID (Job ID) and some responses to questions; some 
> Boolean and some currency.
> It is a requirement for me to create a query for a report.
>
> A problem I have run into is I need to provide a count of companies 
> that had a response to a question grouped by JID. Like:
>
> JID Question Num Companies
> Answer Responding
>
> 2 Q1Yes 3
> 2 Q1No 5
> 3 Q1Yes 9
> 3 Q1No 7
> 5 Q1Yes 31
> 5 Q1No 74
> 8 Q1Yes 3
> 8 Q1No 0
>
>
>
> Seems like I could get this from some SQL Totals Statement/Query.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 15:03:33 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:03:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will return 
just the one value though. If you need additional details, you'll need a 
subquery.

Susan H.

> What I need is to count the number of companies.
> It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> How many different companies responded to the question and many yes and 
> how
> many no.



From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Thu Nov  1 15:12:32 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:12:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>
	<024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>

I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many
different ones are represented. 
One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....

I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....

TIA

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will return
just the one value though. If you need additional details, you'll need a
subquery.

Susan H.

> What I need is to count the number of companies.
> It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> How many different companies responded to the question and many yes 
> and how many no.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 15:21:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:21:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy><024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <028d01c81cc4$d2384550$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I know there's a simple way to do it, but I can't recall -- will have to 
review some old tips.

Susan H.


>I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many
> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....



From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Nov  1 15:52:34 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:52:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars
In-Reply-To: <013c01c81ca2$6143eba0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <B3F01FC42E5E4B03B8A23124E0B65697@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim:

If that works it sounds assume.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

John,  

  Got this, but I haven't tried it:

For those of you who want to completely get rid of the ribbon--here are the
steps: 

1. Create a new table called USysRibbons. 
2. Add two fields RibbonName (text) and RibbonXML (Memo). 
3. Create a new record with the name "Blank" (doesn't really matter what you
call it). Also add the following XML: 
<CustomUI
xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2006/01/CustomUI"><Ribbon
startFromScratch="true"/></CustomUI> 
4. Restart your database. 
5. Go into the Office Button | Access Options. Click on the Current
Database. 
6. In the Toolbars Option set the Custom Ribbon Id to Blank (name in step
3). 
7. Restart the database.

HTH,
Jim.  

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007 Ribbon Bars

I haven't been following the subject, and I am wondering if anyone has
discovered a workaround to get rid of the new ribbon bars and get back the
standard office menus that look and feel like 2003?  I have a couple of
customers with databases designed (crammed into) an 800x600 format back when
the average monitor was a 14".  Even though they purchased newer 17"
monitors all the users are griping so bad about 1024 x 768 that the owners
are caving in and staying at 800x600.  Thus there is NO room for the
newfangled toolbars.  If they are going to upgrade they will have to keep
the old menus or at least turn off the ribbon bars.  I can do custom menus
if those are still available, but the ribbon bars have to go.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 16:03:23 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 16:03:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>
	<00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>
	<024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com>

I would probably do two queries, one to select and to possibly group
and the second that uses the first as it's input that counts.

GK

On 11/1/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
> I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many
> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
>
> Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will return
> just the one value though. If you need additional details, you'll need a
> subquery.
>
> Susan H.
>
> > What I need is to count the number of companies.
> > It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> > How many different companies responded to the question and many yes
> > and how many no.
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Nov  1 15:54:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 15:54:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703BA1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B7431F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I like TrueImage too, though I must admit I can't say I'm super
impressed.  Don't get me wrong, it works, but I've seen a few quirks.
(For example, we're still having difficulty doing a remote install, have
to install the 'client' locally, before the server app can back it up.

But other then that, it's great.  If you already have TrueImage, you
should check out restoring to a VPC environment.  Virtual PC is free
now, so it won't cost a dime to use it.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] The perfect combo! (A little OT)

I've been very impressed with TrueImage, from Acronis, although I've
only used it for my own backups and the occasional restore.  Nice thing
is it can restore at the file level, which is far better than other apps
I've seen. 

Thanks for the info

Charlotte Foust


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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Nov  1 18:53:24 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 19:53:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum cont'd
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Good Evening List,
I sent a msg to accessd and it's on the web site but I never received a copy which I normally do.  Did it get to the list?
Maybe just a slow day...
Ed



From jengross at gte.net  Thu Nov  1 18:55:22 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:55:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00c901c81ce2$ade12820$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi John,

It turns out, after getting more of the story from the user, that she is
running into something that I have run into as well.  It also turns out
that it is not the Tools > Office Links export to Excel, but the exports
that I have coded.  They work fine the first couple of times that you
run them in one session, but after say 10 exports in one sitting, if you
have closed Excel between exports, a bad copy of Excel hangs around and
won't let the next export happen.  I run into this problem when testing
Access to Excel code, because I am over and over again exporting to
Excel.  Only a re-boot will get rid of that pesky Excel ghost.  The
trick I have found is to keep Excel open - I can close the workbooks,
but have to leave the mother ship open.

So, one of the lessons here is when the new network guy tells you that
the users can't export to Excel anymore and since A2K and Excel 2003
don't play nice together how much of a problem would it be to move your
code to Access 2003?  I can turn to my mantra - "I bill by the hour" -
and jump at the chance to re-code and debug and deal with the new
'features' of Access 2003, on a (billable) hourly basis.  Or, I can save
myself the headache and do my due diligence and dig to find out what is
really going on.  Problem solved, when you are doing 30 exports to Excel
in one sitting, don't close Excel.  I don't know what causes that and
years ago gave up trying to figure out why it happens.

I know this doesn't help your issue John, but it feels good to get it
out.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 4:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003


Jennifer,

That is fascinating because I have a client with the same issue.
Outlook only upgraded to 2003, the rest left at 2000, can't export to
Excel.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 5:58 PM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003

Happy Halloween Everyone,

I have a client that for reasons relating to Outlook has updated their
systems to Office 2003, without Access 2003, while leaving Access 2000
so that my databases can run.  I don't want to move the databases to
Access 2003 because they are running fine in A2K and have been for
years.  However, they are running into some bumps in the road,
particularly with exporting to Excel using Tools > Office Links.

If anybody has an tips regarding the co-existence of Office 2003 with
Access 2000 I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
databasics
Newbury Park, CA
office:  (805) 480-1921
fax:	   (805) 499-0467 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 21:06:11 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 22:06:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] good opportunity
Message-ID: <045201c81cf5$e77e52c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

<http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/9/1/9197ccf5137b4388d5fa031f885eaab8 at endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=database>

I'd apply, but I don't have the .NET experience they're looking for.

Susan H. 



From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov  1 23:38:58 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 23:38:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <00c901c81ce2$ade12820$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <002c01c81c7c$f7e854e0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<00c901c81ce2$ade12820$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <013201c81d0a$489c7230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Hi Jennifer,
Is Excel showing in the process list when "ghosting"? 

John B.




From jengross at gte.net  Fri Nov  2 10:51:59 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 08:51:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
In-Reply-To: <013201c81d0a$489c7230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <008a01c81d68$5117aed0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi John,

I have not had the opportunity to jump in and see what is going on when
the problem happens for my client - they run Windows 2000 Server, so I
would be able to see a processes list.  My development machine runs
Windows 98 so I am not getting a processes list, just an application
list - and yes, Excel is showing on the application list - and an End
Task won't shut the thing down.  If I recall I will get a Not Responding
- End Now prompt, but even End Now will not get rid of the bugger.  A
reboot is all that will clear things up for me with Windows 98.  

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 9:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003


Hi Jennifer,
Is Excel showing in the process list when "ghosting"? 

John B.


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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 12:26:58 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 13:26:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum cont'd
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711021026n2d939b59kee5bd4428fc370c7@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 1, 2007 7:53 PM, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> Good Evening List,
> I sent a msg to accessd and it's on the web site but I never received a copy which I normally do.  Did it get to the list?
> Maybe just a slow day...

Yep it did Ed.

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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 12:45:08 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:45:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum cont'd
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711021045y57a654cdl7b35fa7e5919b10f@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I saw it too. I don't have an answer but I saw it. I know you can
do running sum in a report but I wouldn't know how to do it in a
report. Or I might export to Excel and do it there.

GK

On 11/1/07, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> Good Evening List,
> I sent a msg to accessd and it's on the web site but I never received a copy which I normally do.  Did it get to the list?
> Maybe just a slow day...
> Ed
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 12:59:18 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:59:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum cont'd
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711021045y57a654cdl7b35fa7e5919b10f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC7125148@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<aea6c4950711021045y57a654cdl7b35fa7e5919b10f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711021059g7e103cb9r37588bfb8327cc05@mail.gmail.com>

I meant I wouldn't know how to do it in a QUERY....my fingers were not
correctly pusing the correct keys that my brain was telling them
to.....

GK

On 11/2/07, Gary Kjos <garykjos at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes I saw it too. I don't have an answer but I saw it. I know you can
> do running sum in a report but I wouldn't know how to do it in a
> report. Or I might export to Excel and do it there.
>
> GK
>
> On 11/1/07, Tesiny, Ed <EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us> wrote:
> > Good Evening List,
> > I sent a msg to accessd and it's on the web site but I never received a copy which I normally do.  Did it get to the list?
> > Maybe just a slow day...
> > Ed
> >
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  2 13:01:38 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 19:01:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum
Message-ID: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>

Hi Ed

To calculate a running sum or total, DSum may be used but it's faster to use a subquery.
Basically looks like this:

  SELECT 
    S.TransDate, 
    S.Amount, 
      (Select 
        Sum([Amount]) 
      From 
        tblTransaction As T 
      Where 
        T.TransDate <= S.TransDate) AS 
    Balance
  FROM 
    tblTransaction AS S
  ORDER BY 
    S.TransDate;

I your case something like this (air code, not tested):

  SELECT 
    S.Provider_No As Provnum,
    S.[Report Date], 
    Sum(S.RunTot) As DayRunTot, 
      (Select 
        Sum([RunTot]) 
      From 
        qry_MATS_RunSum4 As T 
      Where 
        T.Provider_No = S.Provider_No
        And
        T.[Report Date] <= S.[Report Date]) AS 
    CalRunTot
  FROM 
    qry_MATS_RunSum4 AS S
  GROUP BY
    S.Provider_No,
    S.[Report Date]
  ORDER BY 
    S.Provider_No,
    S.[Report Date];

/gustav

>>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 01-11-2007 20:29 >>>
Hi List,
I have a query with admission rates data for August and September by
providers.  I'm trying to get a running sum across the two months for
each provider.  Put another way, for August we have an admission rate
and I want August admissions added to Septembers on Septembers row like
 
ProviderNo   Report_Date    CalRunTot    Actual Rates
3                    8/1/07            2.46                        2.46
3                    9/1/07            3.45                          .99

5                    8/1/07            8.21                         8.21

5                    9/1/07            9.95                         1.74
 
Hope this doesn't get all  mixed up in transmission, current SQL is
below
 
SELECT qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No AS Provnum,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No, qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_Name,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.report_date, qry_MATS_RunSum4.AdRate,
qry_MATS_RunSum4.RunTot,
DSum("adrate","qry_MATS_RunSum4","Provider_no<=" & [provnum] & " ") AS
CalRunTot
FROM qry_MATS_RunSum4;
 
MTIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 13:45:35 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:45:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

William 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 13:58:45 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:58:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
	<001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <003601c81d82$669a6e90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Is this a crosstab?

Susan H. 


> ...ok, you too, eh :)
> 
> ...given:
> 
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
> 
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
> number and the last containing a number
> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
> 
> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
> 
> ...help!
> 
> William 
> 
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Nov  2 14:17:54 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:17:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Running Sum
In-Reply-To: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDC9@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Gustav,
Thank you very much, I can stop banging my head against the wall. Couple
of tweaks and display the data in a chart and we're good to go.  Thanks
again.
Ed

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Running Sum
> 
> Hi Ed
> 
> To calculate a running sum or total, DSum may be used but 
> it's faster to use a subquery.
> Basically looks like this:
> 
>   SELECT 
>     S.TransDate, 
>     S.Amount, 
>       (Select 
>         Sum([Amount]) 
>       From 
>         tblTransaction As T 
>       Where 
>         T.TransDate <= S.TransDate) AS 
>     Balance
>   FROM 
>     tblTransaction AS S
>   ORDER BY 
>     S.TransDate;
> 
> I your case something like this (air code, not tested):
> 
>   SELECT 
>     S.Provider_No As Provnum,
>     S.[Report Date], 
>     Sum(S.RunTot) As DayRunTot, 
>       (Select 
>         Sum([RunTot]) 
>       From 
>         qry_MATS_RunSum4 As T 
>       Where 
>         T.Provider_No = S.Provider_No
>         And
>         T.[Report Date] <= S.[Report Date]) AS 
>     CalRunTot
>   FROM 
>     qry_MATS_RunSum4 AS S
>   GROUP BY
>     S.Provider_No,
>     S.[Report Date]
>   ORDER BY 
>     S.Provider_No,
>     S.[Report Date];
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 01-11-2007 20:29 >>>
> Hi List,
> I have a query with admission rates data for August and September by
> providers.  I'm trying to get a running sum across the two months for
> each provider.  Put another way, for August we have an admission rate
> and I want August admissions added to Septembers on 
> Septembers row like
>  
> ProviderNo   Report_Date    CalRunTot    Actual Rates
> 3                    8/1/07            2.46                   
>      2.46
> 3                    9/1/07            3.45                   
>        .99
> 
> 5                    8/1/07            8.21                   
>       8.21
> 
> 5                    9/1/07            9.95                   
>       1.74
>  
> Hope this doesn't get all  mixed up in transmission, current SQL is
> below
>  
> SELECT qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No AS Provnum,
> qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_No, qry_MATS_RunSum4.Provider_Name,
> qry_MATS_RunSum4.report_date, qry_MATS_RunSum4.AdRate,
> qry_MATS_RunSum4.RunTot,
> DSum("adrate","qry_MATS_RunSum4","Provider_no<=" & [provnum] & " ") AS
> CalRunTot
> FROM qry_MATS_RunSum4;
>  
> MTIA
> Ed
>  
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
> 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 14:24:03 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:24:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk><001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<003601c81d82$669a6e90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?

William

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From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Is this a crosstab?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>>
>> ...given:
>>
>> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
>> data1        1        1                            1             2
>> data2        1                  5                  5             3
>> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
>> data4                  2        3                  3             2
>> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
>> data6                  1                            1             1
>>
>> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
>> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
>> number and the last containing a number
>> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>>
>> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
>> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>>
>> ...help!
>>
>> William
>>
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 14:29:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:29:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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	<000501c81d85$ee2b9a70$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <007e01c81d86$b53bafb0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, it does look like a crosstab and I thought if you could do it in the 
crosstab, might be easier, but no, I don't have a solution for you.

Susan H.


> ...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 14:31:19 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 14:31:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <000501c81d85$ee2b9a70$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
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Hang on William, got a solution for you...have it posted in a
minute...one quick question, when you said the fields aren't null, but
are "", are you saying that they are text fields?  Just curious, not
sure if I need to force the data to be numeric... I'll have it posted in
a minute.

Drew

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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Is this a crosstab?
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>>
>> ...given:
>>
>> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
>> data1        1        1                            1             2
>> data2        1                  5                  5             3
>> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
>> data4                  2        3                  3             2
>> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
>> data6                  1                            1             1
>>
>> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
>> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing
a
>> number and the last containing a number
>> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>>
>> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max
and
>> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>>
>> ...help!
>>
>> William
>>
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov  2 14:37:27 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 12:37:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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This looks like an easy job for a bit of code.  And a real tough job for
queries.

Rocky





 	
	

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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:46 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

William 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  2 14:40:18 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:40:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
Message-ID: <s72b8b49.025@cactus.dk>

Hi William

Here is one method using Choose():

  SELECT 
    ID, 
    w, 
    x, 
    y, 
    z, 
      IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),
        Val("" & [w]),
        Val("" & [x])) AS Max12, 
      IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),
        Val("" & [y]),
        Val("" & [z])) AS Max34, 
      IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
        1,
        IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
          2,
          IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
            3,
            IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
              4,
              0)))) AS 
    First, 
      IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
        4,
        IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
          3,
          IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
            2,
            IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
              1,
              0)))) AS 
    Last, 
      IIf([Max12]>[Max34],
        [Max12],
        [Max34]) AS 
    Max, 
      IIf([First]=[Last],
        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),
        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z]))) AS 
    Series
  FROM 
    tblGuru;


This will return, which differs from your example but is according to your specification:

Max	Series
1	2
5	6
4	4
3	5
1	2
1	1

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>
...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

William 




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 14:46:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:46:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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...ah me ...leave it to you to catch that one, no wonder I've been spinning 
in circles ...the fields are indeed long integers though I can convert them 
readily :)

William

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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Hang on William, got a solution for you...have it posted in a
> minute...one quick question, when you said the fields aren't null, but
> are "", are you saying that they are text fields?  Just curious, not
> sure if I need to force the data to be numeric... I'll have it posted in
> a minute.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:24 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
> ...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
>
>> Is this a crosstab?
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>>>
>>> ...given:
>>>
>>> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
>>> data1        1        1                            1             2
>>> data2        1                  5                  5             3
>>> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
>>> data4                  2        3                  3             2
>>> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
>>> data6                  1                            1             1
>>>
>>> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
>>> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing
> a
>>> number and the last containing a number
>>> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>>>
>>> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max
> and
>>> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>>>
>>> ...help!
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 14:46:57 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:46:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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...its a possibility Susan but I can't see a way do it.

William

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From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Well, it does look like a crosstab and I thought if you could do it in the
> crosstab, might be easier, but no, I don't have a solution for you.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> ...the table was built from a crosstab query ...why?
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 15:05:02 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:05:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b8b49.025@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c81d8b$a7abe860$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...thanks gustav but:
...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh
...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        4             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one 
containing a
number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field 
contents.
3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will 
allways be a single digit

...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(
...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's my 
story and I'm sticking to it :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Hi William
>
> Here is one method using Choose():
>
>  SELECT
>    ID,
>    w,
>    x,
>    y,
>    z,
>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),
>        Val("" & [w]),
>        Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,
>      IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),
>        Val("" & [y]),
>        Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,
>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>        1,
>        IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>          2,
>          IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>            3,
>            IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>              4,
>              0)))) AS
>    First,
>      IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>        4,
>        IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>          3,
>          IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>            2,
>            IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>              1,
>              0)))) AS
>    Last,
>      IIf([Max12]>[Max34],
>        [Max12],
>        [Max34]) AS
>    Max,
>      IIf([First]=[Last],
>        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),
> 
> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z]))) 
> AS
>    Series
>  FROM
>    tblGuru;
>
>
> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to your 
> specification:
>
> Max Series
> 1 2
> 5 6
> 4 4
> 3 5
> 1 2
> 1 1
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>
> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>
> ...given:
>
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
>
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
> number and the last containing a number
> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>
> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>
> ...help!
>
> William
>
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 15:08:01 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:08:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <000501c81d88$ff0d2b30$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B7446F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

To do this with just queries isn't too difficult, though the series (by
your definition) requires a little logic checking.  You could probably
do this with just one query, but what I tested uses two.  A Union query,
and then a totals query.  The Union query takes your W,X,Y, and Z fields
and puts them in the same field:

SELECT ALL W As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([W]),1,0) AS FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT X As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([X]),1,IIF((Not IsNull([W]))
AND (Not IsNull([Y]) OR Not IsNull([Z])),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT Y As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Y]),1,IIF((Not IsNull([W])
OR Not IsNull([Y])) AND Not IsNull([Z]),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT Z As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Z]),1,0) AS FieldHasData,
ID
FROM tblWilliam;

Note: My test table has ID as an AutoNumber, and then fields W,X,Y, And
Z as long integers.  It's important to use the ALL statement in this
thing, because Union queries default to not showing records with
duplicate data.

Next, we can now use a simple totals query to get the results you want:

SELECT tblWilliam.ID, Sum(qryUnionedFields.FieldHasData) AS
SumOfFieldHasData, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
tblWilliam.Z, Max(qryUnionedFields.Field) AS MaxOfField
FROM tblWilliam INNER JOIN qryUnionedFields ON tblWilliam.ID =
qryUnionedFields.ID
GROUP BY tblWilliam.ID, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
tblWilliam.Z
ORDER BY tblWilliam.ID;

Note that the Max field is simple, it's just Maxing the values in the
union query based on the ID field.  The series is summing that 'middle'
field in the Union query, which, by the logic we put in the union query,
shows a 1 if it needs to be counted in the series 'sum'.

I'll send you the sample db I whipped this up in, offline.

Drew

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To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ah me ...leave it to you to catch that one, no wonder I've been
spinning 
in circles ...the fields are indeed long integers though I can convert
them 
readily :)

William

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 15:16:09 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:16:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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...looks can be deceiving :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> This looks like an easy job for a bit of code.  And a real tough job for
> queries.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>
> ...given:
>
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
>
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
> number and the last containing a number
> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>
> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>
> ...help!
>
> William
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  2 15:16:55 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:16:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
Message-ID: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>

Hi William

1) No problem.

2) Sorry, now I understand.
  Use this for Series:

      IIf([First]+[Last]=0,
        0,
        1+[Last]-[First]) AS 
    Series

3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I use Val() to convert to Integers.

/gustav


>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>
...thanks gustav but:
...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh
...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        4             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one 
containing a
number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field 
contents.
3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will 
allways be a single digit

...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(
...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's my 
story and I'm sticking to it :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Hi William
>
> Here is one method using Choose():
>
>  SELECT
>    ID,
>    w,
>    x,
>    y,
>    z,
>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),
>        Val("" & [w]),
>        Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,
>      IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),
>        Val("" & [y]),
>        Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,
>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>        1,
>        IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>          2,
>          IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>            3,
>            IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>              4,
>              0)))) AS
>    First,
>      IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>        4,
>        IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>          3,
>          IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>            2,
>            IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>              1,
>              0)))) AS
>    Last,
>      IIf([Max12]>[Max34],
>        [Max12],
>        [Max34]) AS
>    Max,
>      IIf([First]=[Last],
>        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),
> 
> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z]))) 
> AS
>    Series
>  FROM
>    tblGuru;
>
>
> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to your 
> specification:
>
> Max Series
> 1 2
> 5 6
> 4 4
> 3 5
> 1 2
> 1 1
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>
> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>
> ...given:
>
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
>
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
> number and the last containing a number
> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>
> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>
> ...help!
>
> William





From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 15:22:19 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:22:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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...sigh ...I've probably tried at least 50 different qry approaches before 
trying to write code to do it ...I'll give this one a shot ...tks :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> To do this with just queries isn't too difficult, though the series (by
> your definition) requires a little logic checking.  You could probably
> do this with just one query, but what I tested uses two.  A Union query,
> and then a totals query.  The Union query takes your W,X,Y, and Z fields
> and puts them in the same field:
>
> SELECT ALL W As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([W]),1,0) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT X As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([X]),1,IIF((Not IsNull([W]))
> AND (Not IsNull([Y]) OR Not IsNull([Z])),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT Y As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Y]),1,IIF((Not IsNull([W])
> OR Not IsNull([Y])) AND Not IsNull([Z]),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT Z As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Z]),1,0) AS FieldHasData,
> ID
> FROM tblWilliam;
>
> Note: My test table has ID as an AutoNumber, and then fields W,X,Y, And
> Z as long integers.  It's important to use the ALL statement in this
> thing, because Union queries default to not showing records with
> duplicate data.
>
> Next, we can now use a simple totals query to get the results you want:
>
> SELECT tblWilliam.ID, Sum(qryUnionedFields.FieldHasData) AS
> SumOfFieldHasData, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
> tblWilliam.Z, Max(qryUnionedFields.Field) AS MaxOfField
> FROM tblWilliam INNER JOIN qryUnionedFields ON tblWilliam.ID =
> qryUnionedFields.ID
> GROUP BY tblWilliam.ID, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
> tblWilliam.Z
> ORDER BY tblWilliam.ID;
>
> Note that the Max field is simple, it's just Maxing the values in the
> union query based on the ID field.  The series is summing that 'middle'
> field in the Union query, which, by the logic we put in the union query,
> shows a 1 if it needs to be counted in the series 'sum'.
>
> I'll send you the sample db I whipped this up in, offline.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
> ...ah me ...leave it to you to catch that one, no wonder I've been
> spinning
> in circles ...the fields are indeed long integers though I can convert
> them
> readily :)
>
> William
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov  2 15:32:10 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
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...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over 
...ain't no place like AccessD :)
...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before 
spending days running in circles.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> Hi William
>
> 1) No problem.
>
> 2) Sorry, now I understand.
>  Use this for Series:
>
>      IIf([First]+[Last]=0,
>        0,
>        1+[Last]-[First]) AS
>    Series
>
> 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I 
> use Val() to convert to Integers.
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>
> ...thanks gustav but:
> ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh
> ...given:
>
> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
> data1        1        1                            1             2
> data2        1                  5                  5             3
> data3        1        4                  3        4             4
> data4                  2        3                  3             2
> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
> data6                  1                            1             1
>
> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
> 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one
> containing a
> number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field
> contents.
> 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will
> allways be a single digit
>
> ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(
> ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's 
> my
> story and I'm sticking to it :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
>
>> Hi William
>>
>> Here is one method using Choose():
>>
>>  SELECT
>>    ID,
>>    w,
>>    x,
>>    y,
>>    z,
>>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),
>>        Val("" & [w]),
>>        Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,
>>      IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),
>>        Val("" & [y]),
>>        Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,
>>      IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>>        1,
>>        IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>>          2,
>>          IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>>            3,
>>            IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>>              4,
>>              0)))) AS
>>    First,
>>      IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,
>>        4,
>>        IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,
>>          3,
>>          IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,
>>            2,
>>            IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,
>>              1,
>>              0)))) AS
>>    Last,
>>      IIf([Max12]>[Max34],
>>        [Max12],
>>        [Max34]) AS
>>    Max,
>>      IIf([First]=[Last],
>>        Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),
>>
>> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))
>> AS
>>    Series
>>  FROM
>>    tblGuru;
>>
>>
>> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to 
>> your
>> specification:
>>
>> Max Series
>> 1 2
>> 5 6
>> 4 4
>> 3 5
>> 1 2
>> 1 1
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>
>> ...ok, you too, eh :)
>>
>> ...given:
>>
>> fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
>> data1        1        1                            1             2
>> data2        1                  5                  5             3
>> data3        1        4                  3        3             4
>> data4                  2        3                  3             2
>> data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
>> data6                  1                            1             1
>>
>> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
>> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a
>> number and the last containing a number
>> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls
>>
>> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and
>> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.
>>
>> ...help!
>>
>> William
>
>
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 15:25:59 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:25:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only (Better Solution)
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That'll teach me to do this stuff without a smoke break all afternoon.
Just realized there's an even easier way to do this.  Instead of all
that logic in the union query, we can get the same results
mathematically.

Here's the new Union Query:

SELECT ALL W As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([W]),1,null) AS FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT X As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([X]),2,null) AS
FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT Y As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Y]),3,null) AS
FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam
UNION ALL SELECT Z As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Z]),4,null) AS
FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam;

Note that all the goofy logic is gone.  Instead, if that field is not
null, it gets a value equal to it's position (1 through 4, equating to
W,X,Y,and Z).  If it doesn't have a value, then FieldHasData is Null.

With that in mind, instead of summing that field, we make the Series
field be the Max-Min of FieldHasData + 1.

Here's the new totals query:

SELECT tblWilliam.ID, Max([FieldHasData])-Min([FieldHasData])+1 AS
Series, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y, tblWilliam.Z,
Max(qryUnionedFields.Field) AS MaxOfField
FROM tblWilliam INNER JOIN qryUnionedFields ON tblWilliam.ID =
qryUnionedFields.ID
GROUP BY tblWilliam.ID, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
tblWilliam.Z
ORDER BY tblWilliam.ID;

That way, if you need to add or remove fields, all you have to do is add
another line to the union query (and add the field to the totals query),
and the only 'check' would be to make sure that the 'true' part of the
IIF statement is sequenced (1, 2, 3,...etc). 

Next time you have a problem like this, start with 'Drew, I'm trying
too..... now, go smoke, and tell me how to do that. ' ;)

Drew

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov  2 15:39:41 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2007 21:39:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
Message-ID: <s72b9940.028@cactus.dk>

Hi William

It might be a sign of stress ... Friday beer and weekend and fun is approaching!

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:32:10 >>>
...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over 
...ain't no place like AccessD :)
...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before 
spending days running in circles.

William




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 15:38:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:38:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <001001c81d8d$3579fb40$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B7447B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

LOL, I'll tell ya, if I learned anything about SQL in my years playing
with Access, it's that using plain old queries, such as what the wizard
does automatically for you is like riding a bike.  Using union queries
and subqueries is like riding a space shuttle.  You can go A LOT further
in it, though it's slightly more complex to operate! ;)

The key is to remember that queries are great for dealing with vertical
data (columns).  You can sum a column simply by saying Sum([SomeField]),
and it doesn't matter if there are a million records, it sums it off
that one line.  But if you need to Sum a Row, you have to build it
[SomeField]+[AnotherField]+[YetAnotherField].  This works, but if more
fields are added, it can be a pain, cause you have to adjust the
statements.  With a Union Query, you can take the horizontal, and make
it vertical...which, admittedly, if you add more fields, you still have
to change the union query (unless you build it on the fly), but it's
much cleaner, and easier to deal with.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:16 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...looks can be deceiving :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> This looks like an easy job for a bit of code.  And a real tough job
for
> queries.
>
> Rocky
>

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov  2 15:44:24 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
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> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.
 
...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion.
 
Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:
field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff went
field2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...went
field3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z
 
Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab.
 
Good Luck,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
************SQL*************
TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;
************SQL*************
> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov  2 15:55:31 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 15:55:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <001401c81d8e$11e94180$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74482@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

No problem, but don't use THIS example, use my second one, which just
posted.  This example uses logic for that 'FieldHasData' field, which if
you have more or less fields, you're going to go bonkers writing that.
My 'fix' is FAR easier.  To Add a field, you would just add the
following line to the union query:

UNION ALL SELECT XYZ As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([XYZ]),5,null) AS
FieldHasData, ID
FROM tblWilliam;

And then add the XYZ field to the totals query (which you can do through
the query builder).  The only 'trick' is making sure that the true part
of the IIF field is sequential in the order that you want to check the
series in.

Honestly, I wrote the example in less time then it would have taken to
write code for it...plus, the finished result is just a plain old query,
which is easy to push into a form or report.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...sigh ...I've probably tried at least 50 different qry approaches
before 
trying to write code to do it ...I'll give this one a shot ...tks :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only


> To do this with just queries isn't too difficult, though the series
(by
> your definition) requires a little logic checking.  You could probably
> do this with just one query, but what I tested uses two.  A Union
query,
> and then a totals query.  The Union query takes your W,X,Y, and Z
fields
> and puts them in the same field:
>
> SELECT ALL W As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([W]),1,0) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT X As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([X]),1,IIF((Not
IsNull([W]))
> AND (Not IsNull([Y]) OR Not IsNull([Z])),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT Y As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Y]),1,IIF((Not
IsNull([W])
> OR Not IsNull([Y])) AND Not IsNull([Z]),1,0)) AS FieldHasData, ID
> FROM tblWilliam
> UNION ALL SELECT Z As Field, IIF(Not IsNull([Z]),1,0) AS FieldHasData,
> ID
> FROM tblWilliam;
>
> Note: My test table has ID as an AutoNumber, and then fields W,X,Y,
And
> Z as long integers.  It's important to use the ALL statement in this
> thing, because Union queries default to not showing records with
> duplicate data.
>
> Next, we can now use a simple totals query to get the results you
want:
>
> SELECT tblWilliam.ID, Sum(qryUnionedFields.FieldHasData) AS
> SumOfFieldHasData, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
> tblWilliam.Z, Max(qryUnionedFields.Field) AS MaxOfField
> FROM tblWilliam INNER JOIN qryUnionedFields ON tblWilliam.ID =
> qryUnionedFields.ID
> GROUP BY tblWilliam.ID, tblWilliam.W, tblWilliam.X, tblWilliam.Y,
> tblWilliam.Z
> ORDER BY tblWilliam.ID;
>
> Note that the Max field is simple, it's just Maxing the values in the
> union query based on the ID field.  The series is summing that
'middle'
> field in the Union query, which, by the logic we put in the union
query,
> shows a 1 if it needs to be counted in the series 'sum'.
>
> I'll send you the sample db I whipped this up in, offline.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 2:46 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only
>
> ...ah me ...leave it to you to catch that one, no wonder I've been
> spinning
> in circles ...the fields are indeed long integers though I can convert
> them
> readily :)
>
> William
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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Fri Nov  2 16:17:12 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 22:17:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000001c81d95$bc8d7960$2101a8c0@AB>

If empty fields contain "" rather than nulls, then the fields are supposed
to be text - and you could use a query like this:

SELECT w, x, y, z, 
IIf([x]>[w] Or [y]>[x] Or [z]>[y],IIf([y]>[x] Or ([z]>[y] And
[z]>[x]),IIf([z]>[y],[z],[y]),[x]),[w]) AS [Max], 
-(IsNumeric([w])+IsNumeric([x])+IsNumeric([y])+IsNumeric([z])) AS [Series]
FROM tblTest

Asger
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Sendt: 2. november 2007 19:46
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 16:15:48 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:15:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk><002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W39937165AA6F485D147FEBD28D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <010e01c81d95$8d6e0730$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be 
> achieved using a single crosstab.

=======That's what I thought.

Susan H. 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov  2 16:32:10 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s72b742b.024@cactus.dk>
	<001601c81d80$8e6df790$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <001801c81d97$d3cd3f50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi William,

I can envision doing this while looping through the recordset.  But what I
would do that's a little different is to not refer to w,x,y, or z, but
rather use the index value of the fields.

So instead of rst("w") use rst(1) (or is it rst(0)??).  If you replace 1
with lngField you can give yourself some control over what the code is
doing.

You'll need to walk through the fields for max like:

Do while lngField<=4
	If lngMax < rst(lngField) then
		lngMax = rst(lngField)
	endif
	lngField = lngField + 1
loop 
rst("Max") = lngMax

Then do something similar for your total fields column.

Hope this helps!
Dan 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

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From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Fri Nov  2 18:27:57 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 00:27:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
In-Reply-To: <000001c81d95$bc8d7960$2101a8c0@AB>
Message-ID: <000101c81da8$004b5f70$2101a8c0@AB>

--correction, the query should be like this (supposing text data type and
empty string "" as empty field value):

SELECT w, x, y, z, IIf(val(x)>val(w) Or val(y)>val(w) Or val(z)>val(w),
IIf(val(y)>val(x) Or val(z)>val(x),
IIf(val(z)>val(y),val(z),val(y)),val(x)),val(w)) AS Max, 
-(IsNumeric(w)+IsNumeric(x)+IsNumeric(y)+IsNumeric(z)) AS Series
FROM tblTest

Asger

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Sendt: 2. november 2007 22:17
Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Emne: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only

If empty fields contain "" rather than nulls, then the fields are supposed
to be text - and you could use a query like this:

SELECT w, x, y, z, 
IIf([x]>[w] Or [y]>[x] Or [z]>[y],IIf([y]>[x] Or ([z]>[y] And
[z]>[x]),IIf([z]>[y],[z],[y]),[x]),[w]) AS [Max], 
-(IsNumeric([w])+IsNumeric([x])+IsNumeric([y])+IsNumeric([z])) AS [Series]
FROM tblTest

Asger
-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af William Hindman
Sendt: 2. november 2007 19:46
Til: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Emne: [AccessD] ...gurus only

...ok, you too, eh :)

...given:

fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
data1        1        1                            1             2
data2        1                  5                  5             3
data3        1        4                  3        3             4
data4                  2        3                  3             2
data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
data6                  1                            1             1

1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
number and the last containing a number
3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

...help!

William 


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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Nov  3 01:56:19 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:56:19 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
Message-ID: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>


Hi All,

This post is a way off-topic and it's not easy weekend reading but I dare to
post it here because it's related to the people of many nations and I expect
this my post will be let through by moderators who allowed to have here a
rather heated discussion about fires in California...

No, I do not expect a heated discussion of this OT thread here. Just read
it.

This post has excerpts from an article published on 31-OCT-2007 here:

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=820588 

Here is its automated translation:
 
http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommer
sant.ru%2Fdoc.aspx%3FDocsID%3D820588&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp
2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=44&psubmit2.y=6

Below are the excerpts, which I tried to make more readable than referred
above automated translation. My short comments are in brackets marked with
(SS: ...). As you can find this article is far from being "an apologetics to
the nowadays Russian Authorities"...

I'm sorry that is all I can do now. Read on till the end and then you should
get what a lot of people feel and think here. Thank you.
 
<<<<
If he would have not arrived today, it could not be understood...
=================================================================

...Yesterday, in Day of Memory of Victims of Political Reprisals, the
president of Russia Vladimir Putin has arrived to Butovo where are buried
more than 20 thousand of people shot to death in 1937-1938....

...Here are buried more than 20 thousands of persons, - speaks diakon
Dmitrij, and these are only about whom we precisely know. More than three
hundreds of them are canonized, these are those from approximately thousand
who passed on church affairs: not only clerics, but also church heads, and
simply active laymen. First Russian pilot Danilevsky, troupe of one Baltic
theatre with its full complement lays here... People of sixty nationalities
are buried here: Greeks, Japanese, Germans... even an Epiopian... 

...You go on a sanded pathway, and you realize, that what you now feel is
"the ground burning under foots". To not touch it, to not tramble it down
that is all what is required from you now. Because you never ever walk over
the tombs before. Leaves rustle under foots, as pieces of polyfoam in hands.
And you feel "frost on your skin"...

... - For us it is a real tragedy, - he (SS:Mr. Putin) has continued  - the
scale of this tragedy is enormous - millions of persons were banished,  have
been shot to death. And that were first of all people with their own opinion
who were not afraid to openly express this their opinion... The most
effective people, color of the nation were destroyed.... 

...I (SS:this artcle author continues), maybe, first time have seen the
confused president. 

- That's a complete crazyness (SS: umopomrachenie <- RUS), - has murmured
the president. - it seems, that it is impossible to do that.  For what?!
(SS: for what all that people were executed to death?)...

...Father Cyril, the grandson of one of shot on this field, has made a
helpless gesture and has added, that here the executors have shot the boy of
twelve years. It was authorized to shoot only from fifteen, and they have
attributed in the documents three superfluous years to the boy (to be
"authorized" to kill him "legally"). They have also shot the seventy years
old grandmother, and it is not clear for what reason she was shot do
death.... 

... - But memory is necessary to us not in itself, - spoke president. - but
to determine the ways for development of the country... Political disputes,
fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is necessary, that this
process would have not been destructive - it should be creative

Now it should become clearer, why "United Russia" (SS: the most powerful
political party here leaded by Mr.Putin for this year's December Russian
Parliament Elections) will not participate in pre-election debate. These
debate, probably, risk to become destructive for them (SS: for "United
Russia" party).... 

>>>>


--
Shamil
 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Nov  3 08:07:12 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 09:07:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
References: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001001c81e1a$73975660$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...I don't "get" the last paragraph Shamil ...did you post this on OT?
William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "'Access-D'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 2:56 AM
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not be 
understood...


>
> Hi All,
>
> This post is a way off-topic and it's not easy weekend reading but I dare 
> to
> post it here because it's related to the people of many nations and I 
> expect
> this my post will be let through by moderators who allowed to have here a
> rather heated discussion about fires in California...
>
> No, I do not expect a heated discussion of this OT thread here. Just read
> it.
>
> This post has excerpts from an article published on 31-OCT-2007 here:
>
> http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=820588
>
> Here is its automated translation:
>
> http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommer
> sant.ru%2Fdoc.aspx%3FDocsID%3D820588&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp
> 2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=44&psubmit2.y=6
>
> Below are the excerpts, which I tried to make more readable than referred
> above automated translation. My short comments are in brackets marked with
> (SS: ...). As you can find this article is far from being "an apologetics 
> to
> the nowadays Russian Authorities"...
>
> I'm sorry that is all I can do now. Read on till the end and then you 
> should
> get what a lot of people feel and think here. Thank you.
>
> <<<<
> If he would have not arrived today, it could not be understood...
> =================================================================
>
> ...Yesterday, in Day of Memory of Victims of Political Reprisals, the
> president of Russia Vladimir Putin has arrived to Butovo where are buried
> more than 20 thousand of people shot to death in 1937-1938....
>
> ...Here are buried more than 20 thousands of persons, - speaks diakon
> Dmitrij, and these are only about whom we precisely know. More than three
> hundreds of them are canonized, these are those from approximately 
> thousand
> who passed on church affairs: not only clerics, but also church heads, and
> simply active laymen. First Russian pilot Danilevsky, troupe of one Baltic
> theatre with its full complement lays here... People of sixty 
> nationalities
> are buried here: Greeks, Japanese, Germans... even an Epiopian...
>
> ...You go on a sanded pathway, and you realize, that what you now feel is
> "the ground burning under foots". To not touch it, to not tramble it down
> that is all what is required from you now. Because you never ever walk 
> over
> the tombs before. Leaves rustle under foots, as pieces of polyfoam in 
> hands.
> And you feel "frost on your skin"...
>
> ... - For us it is a real tragedy, - he (SS:Mr. Putin) has continued  - 
> the
> scale of this tragedy is enormous - millions of persons were banished, 
> have
> been shot to death. And that were first of all people with their own 
> opinion
> who were not afraid to openly express this their opinion... The most
> effective people, color of the nation were destroyed....
>
> ...I (SS:this artcle author continues), maybe, first time have seen the
> confused president.
>
> - That's a complete crazyness (SS: umopomrachenie <- RUS), - has murmured
> the president. - it seems, that it is impossible to do that.  For what?!
> (SS: for what all that people were executed to death?)...
>
> ...Father Cyril, the grandson of one of shot on this field, has made a
> helpless gesture and has added, that here the executors have shot the boy 
> of
> twelve years. It was authorized to shoot only from fifteen, and they have
> attributed in the documents three superfluous years to the boy (to be
> "authorized" to kill him "legally"). They have also shot the seventy years
> old grandmother, and it is not clear for what reason she was shot do
> death....
>
> ... - But memory is necessary to us not in itself, - spoke president. - 
> but
> to determine the ways for development of the country... Political 
> disputes,
> fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is necessary, that this
> process would have not been destructive - it should be creative
>
> Now it should become clearer, why "United Russia" (SS: the most powerful
> political party here leaded by Mr.Putin for this year's December Russian
> Parliament Elections) will not participate in pre-election debate. These
> debate, probably, risk to become destructive for them (SS: for "United
> Russia" party)....
>
>>>>>
>
>
> --
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>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov  3 09:02:40 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 07:02:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
In-Reply-To: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <006701c81e22$32b3e1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Shamil:

"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?

Is he trying to engineer a way to stay in power as a strong ruler if not
dictator and undo or move away from the democratic reforms?

Rocky


Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:56 PM
To: 'Access-D'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not be
understood...


Hi All,

This post is a way off-topic and it's not easy weekend reading but I dare to
post it here because it's related to the people of many nations and I expect
this my post will be let through by moderators who allowed to have here a
rather heated discussion about fires in California...

No, I do not expect a heated discussion of this OT thread here. Just read
it.

This post has excerpts from an article published on 31-OCT-2007 here:

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=820588 

Here is its automated translation:
 
http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommer
sant.ru%2Fdoc.aspx%3FDocsID%3D820588&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp
2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=44&psubmit2.y=6

Below are the excerpts, which I tried to make more readable than referred
above automated translation. My short comments are in brackets marked with
(SS: ...). As you can find this article is far from being "an apologetics to
the nowadays Russian Authorities"...

I'm sorry that is all I can do now. Read on till the end and then you should
get what a lot of people feel and think here. Thank you.
 
<<<<
If he would have not arrived today, it could not be understood...
=================================================================

...Yesterday, in Day of Memory of Victims of Political Reprisals, the
president of Russia Vladimir Putin has arrived to Butovo where are buried
more than 20 thousand of people shot to death in 1937-1938....

...Here are buried more than 20 thousands of persons, - speaks diakon
Dmitrij, and these are only about whom we precisely know. More than three
hundreds of them are canonized, these are those from approximately thousand
who passed on church affairs: not only clerics, but also church heads, and
simply active laymen. First Russian pilot Danilevsky, troupe of one Baltic
theatre with its full complement lays here... People of sixty nationalities
are buried here: Greeks, Japanese, Germans... even an Epiopian... 

...You go on a sanded pathway, and you realize, that what you now feel is
"the ground burning under foots". To not touch it, to not tramble it down
that is all what is required from you now. Because you never ever walk over
the tombs before. Leaves rustle under foots, as pieces of polyfoam in hands.
And you feel "frost on your skin"...

... - For us it is a real tragedy, - he (SS:Mr. Putin) has continued  - the
scale of this tragedy is enormous - millions of persons were banished,  have
been shot to death. And that were first of all people with their own opinion
who were not afraid to openly express this their opinion... The most
effective people, color of the nation were destroyed.... 

...I (SS:this artcle author continues), maybe, first time have seen the
confused president. 

- That's a complete crazyness (SS: umopomrachenie <- RUS), - has murmured
the president. - it seems, that it is impossible to do that.  For what?!
(SS: for what all that people were executed to death?)...

...Father Cyril, the grandson of one of shot on this field, has made a
helpless gesture and has added, that here the executors have shot the boy of
twelve years. It was authorized to shoot only from fifteen, and they have
attributed in the documents three superfluous years to the boy (to be
"authorized" to kill him "legally"). They have also shot the seventy years
old grandmother, and it is not clear for what reason she was shot do
death.... 

... - But memory is necessary to us not in itself, - spoke president. - but
to determine the ways for development of the country... Political disputes,
fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is necessary, that this
process would have not been destructive - it should be creative

Now it should become clearer, why "United Russia" (SS: the most powerful
political party here leaded by Mr.Putin for this year's December Russian
Parliament Elections) will not participate in pre-election debate. These
debate, probably, risk to become destructive for them (SS: for "United
Russia" party).... 

>>>>


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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 11:10:09 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 12:10:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
Message-ID: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>

It seems that this should be easy, but I'm not getting it.  I have a 
table of registered voters with their physical addresses and mailing 
addresses if other than the physical address.  The physical address 
fields were laid out according to excellent rules, separated into house 
numbers, directional prefix, roadway name, roadway type, directional 
suffix, and residential extension.  But, the mailing address fields were 
just MailAddr1, MailAddr2, MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and MailAddr5 text 
fields, with no consistent data entry rules - so there were PO Box 
numbers in MailAddr1 or MailAddr2, alone or in combination with city 
name, state name, and sometimes zip code.  In order to use the data for 
mailing, I spent yesterday cleaning up the mailing address fields so 
that a "full" street address if any is in MailAddr1, PO Boxes are in 
MailAddr2, City, State, and Zip are in MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and 
MailAddr5 respectively.

Now, I am trying to generate a report with these addresses.  In some 
cases there are both a street address and a PO Box number, such as 2651 
Gunny's Way NE, PO Box 1534.  But, I don't want a blank line appearing 
for blank street addresses or PO Box addresses, so I'm trying to put 
them together in an expression. What I want to do is insert a carriage 
return character after the street address to put the PO Box on its own 
print line. 

I have this expression so far:
=Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1]&" ","")&[MailAddr2])
which strings them out nicely, with a space between them.  Instead of 
the " " I want to have ASCII 13 or the Access vba equivalent.  I have 
tried vbCrLf, but Access sticks square brackets around it and demands a 
value for it as a parameter.  (I've tried a bunch of other stuff, too, 
but just in case this turns out to be way easy, I am not going to spill 
the beans about my many failed efforts.)

How do I do this?

TIA
Tina


From joeo at appoli.com  Sat Nov  3 11:51:40 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:51:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>

Tina,

You need both Carriage Return (ASCII 13) and Line Fee (ASCII 10).  Use
Chr(13) & Chr(10) instead of " ".

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?

It seems that this should be easy, but I'm not getting it.  I have a 
table of registered voters with their physical addresses and mailing 
addresses if other than the physical address.  The physical address 
fields were laid out according to excellent rules, separated into house 
numbers, directional prefix, roadway name, roadway type, directional 
suffix, and residential extension.  But, the mailing address fields were

just MailAddr1, MailAddr2, MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and MailAddr5 text 
fields, with no consistent data entry rules - so there were PO Box 
numbers in MailAddr1 or MailAddr2, alone or in combination with city 
name, state name, and sometimes zip code.  In order to use the data for 
mailing, I spent yesterday cleaning up the mailing address fields so 
that a "full" street address if any is in MailAddr1, PO Boxes are in 
MailAddr2, City, State, and Zip are in MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and 
MailAddr5 respectively.

Now, I am trying to generate a report with these addresses.  In some 
cases there are both a street address and a PO Box number, such as 2651 
Gunny's Way NE, PO Box 1534.  But, I don't want a blank line appearing 
for blank street addresses or PO Box addresses, so I'm trying to put 
them together in an expression. What I want to do is insert a carriage 
return character after the street address to put the PO Box on its own 
print line. 

I have this expression so far:
=Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1]&" ","")&[MailAddr2])
which strings them out nicely, with a space between them.  Instead of 
the " " I want to have ASCII 13 or the Access vba equivalent.  I have 
tried vbCrLf, but Access sticks square brackets around it and demands a 
value for it as a parameter.  (I've tried a bunch of other stuff, too, 
but just in case this turns out to be way easy, I am not going to spill 
the beans about my many failed efforts.)

How do I do this?

TIA
Tina
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 11:55:08 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 12:55:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>

Or use the constant vbCrLf.

Arthur

On 11/3/07, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:
>
> Tina,
>
> You need both Carriage Return (ASCII 13) and Line Fee (ASCII 10).  Use
> Chr(13) & Chr(10) instead of " ".
>
> Joe
>


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 12:29:46 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:29:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <472CB00A.4020804@torchlake.com>

Joe,
Yes, when I make it:
=Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & Chr(13) & Chr(10), "") 
& [MailAddr2])
it works.

Tina

Joe O'Connell wrote:
> Tina,
>
> You need both Carriage Return (ASCII 13) and Line Fee (ASCII 10).  Use
> Chr(13) & Chr(10) instead of " ".
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
>
> It seems that this should be easy, but I'm not getting it.  I have a 
> table of registered voters with their physical addresses and mailing 
> addresses if other than the physical address.  The physical address 
> fields were laid out according to excellent rules, separated into house 
> numbers, directional prefix, roadway name, roadway type, directional 
> suffix, and residential extension.  But, the mailing address fields were
>
> just MailAddr1, MailAddr2, MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and MailAddr5 text 
> fields, with no consistent data entry rules - so there were PO Box 
> numbers in MailAddr1 or MailAddr2, alone or in combination with city 
> name, state name, and sometimes zip code.  In order to use the data for 
> mailing, I spent yesterday cleaning up the mailing address fields so 
> that a "full" street address if any is in MailAddr1, PO Boxes are in 
> MailAddr2, City, State, and Zip are in MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and 
> MailAddr5 respectively.
>
> Now, I am trying to generate a report with these addresses.  In some 
> cases there are both a street address and a PO Box number, such as 2651 
> Gunny's Way NE, PO Box 1534.  But, I don't want a blank line appearing 
> for blank street addresses or PO Box addresses, so I'm trying to put 
> them together in an expression. What I want to do is insert a carriage 
> return character after the street address to put the PO Box on its own 
> print line. 
>
> I have this expression so far:
> =Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1]&" ","")&[MailAddr2])
> which strings them out nicely, with a space between them.  Instead of 
> the " " I want to have ASCII 13 or the Access vba equivalent.  I have 
> tried vbCrLf, but Access sticks square brackets around it and demands a 
> value for it as a parameter.  (I've tried a bunch of other stuff, too, 
> but just in case this turns out to be way easy, I am not going to spill 
> the beans about my many failed efforts.)
>
> How do I do this?
>
> TIA
> Tina
>   


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 12:35:17 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:35:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net>
	<29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>

Arthur,

I wanted to use that constant, but I am not succeeding.

When I write:
=Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& [MailAddr2])
Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.

What am I doing wrong?
Tina

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Or use the constant vbCrLf.
>
> Arthur
>
> On 11/3/07, Joe O'Connell <joeo at appoli.com> wrote:
>   
>> Tina,
>>
>> You need both Carriage Return (ASCII 13) and Line Fee (ASCII 10).  Use
>> Chr(13) & Chr(10) instead of " ".
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>     


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 12:43:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 13:43:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>
	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> When I write:
> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& 
> [MailAddr2])
> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.

=====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb constants 
in a query expression.

Susan H. 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 12:56:16 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:56:16 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <000001c81e42$d5d24060$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Tina,
I use a rather long function as shown below.  I have actually trimmed this
down considerable for your use as it actually does a whole bunch of other
things for me.  For your requirements this should suffice.  It uses
concatenation with nulls. This means it stores contents into variants
instead of strings (although they are named as string for my own use. Eg
strTitle instead of varTitle, change if you prefer).

As I say, it is rather lengthy because I never know what data I am going to
have and need to have a full address constructed correctly.  Hope I have
removed anything useful.

HTH

Max

Function tryIt()
MsgBox pfFormatPersonAddress(11200)
End Function

Function pfFormatPersonAddress(lngPID As Long) As String
  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset, sql As String
  Dim bBadPostalArea As Boolean
  bBadPostalArea = False  ' could be overseas
  Dim strAddrCode As String
  Dim lngTitleID As Variant, lngSuffixID As Variant
  Dim lngFKDistrictID As Variant, lngFKTownID As Variant
  Dim lngFKCountyID As Variant, lngFKPostalAreaID As Variant
  Dim lngFKCountryID As Variant

  Dim strTitle As Variant, strSuffix As Variant
  Dim strFirstName As Variant, strSecondName As Variant
  Dim strSurname As Variant

  Dim strHouseName As Variant, strHouseNum As Variant
  Dim strStreet As Variant
  Dim strPostalDistrict As Variant, strIn As Variant
  Dim strCountry As Variant, strCounty As Variant, strTown As Variant
  Dim strDefaultPostCode As String
  Dim strDistrict As Variant
  Dim varAddr As Variant, strLine As Variant
  Dim strOverseasPostCode As Variant

  ' rst variables that are being updated
  Dim strAddrName As Variant
  Dim strAddrMembName As Variant
  Dim strAddrShort As Variant
  Dim strAddrSingle As Variant
  Dim strAddrFull As Variant
  Dim strPostalArea As String
  Dim lngLocationID As Long

  Set dbs = CurrentDb

  sql = "Select * from mcmPeople where PersonID=" & lngPID
  Set rst = dbs.OpenRecordset(sql)
  If rst.EOF Then
    MsgBox "Cannot Find Person With PID: " & lngPID
    GoTo exithere
  End If

  ' Change empty strings to nulls so that empty vars are all set to null
  ' we can then use the '+' sign to avoid having empty lines
  If Nz(rst!FKTitleID, 0) = 0 Then lngTitleID = 0 Else lngTitleID =
rst!FKTitleID
  If Nz(rst!FKSuffixID, 0) = 0 Then lngSuffixID = 0 Else lngSuffixID =
rst!FKSuffixID
  If Nz(rst!FKPostalAreaID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKPostalAreaID = 0 Else
lngFKPostalAreaID = rst!FKPostalAreaID
  If Nz(rst!FKDistrictID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKDistrictID = 0 Else
lngFKDistrictID = rst!FKDistrictID
  If Nz(rst!FKTownID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKTownID = 0 Else lngFKTownID =
rst!FKTownID
  If Nz(rst!FKCountyID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKCountyID = 0 Else lngFKCountyID =
rst!FKCountyID
  If Nz(rst!FKCountryID, 0) = 0 Then lngFKCountryID = 0 Else lngFKCountryID
= rst!FKCountryID


  If Len(Trim(rst!FirstName)) = 0 Or rst!FirstName = "" Then strFirstName =
Null Else strFirstName = rst!FirstName
  If Len(Trim(rst!SecondName)) = 0 Or rst!SecondName = "" Or
IsNull(rst!SecondName) Then
    strSecondName = Null
  Else
    strSecondName = rst!SecondName
  End If

  If Len(Trim(rst!Surname)) = 0 Or rst!Surname = "" Then strSurname = Null
Else strSurname = rst!Surname
  If Len(Trim(rst!HouseName)) = 0 Or rst!HouseName = "" Then strHouseName =
Null Else strHouseName = rst!HouseName
  If Len(Trim(rst!HouseNum)) = 0 Or rst!HouseNum = "" Then strHouseNum =
Null Else strHouseNum = rst!HouseNum
  If Len(Trim(rst!Street)) = 0 Or rst!Street = "" Then strStreet = Null Else
strStreet = rst!Street
  If Len(Trim(rst!PostalDistrict)) = 0 Or rst!PostalDistrict = "" Then
strPostalDistrict = Null Else strPostalDistrict = rst!PostalDistrict
  If Len(Trim(rst!InCode)) = 0 Or rst!InCode = "" Then strIn = Null Else
strIn = rst!InCode
  If Len(Trim(rst!OverseasPostCode)) = 0 Or rst!OverseasPostCode = "" Then
strOverseasPostCode = Null Else strIn = rst!OverseasPostCode


  '==============================================================
  ' NAMES ****************  ' sometime we only have an Initial for the first
name
  If Not IsNull(strFirstName) And Len(strFirstName) = 1 Then
    strFirstName = strFirstName & "."
  End If
  strAddrName = Trim(((strTitle + " ") & (strFirstName + " ") & _
                      (Left(strSecondName, 1) + ". ") & (strSurname + " ") &
(strSuffix + "")))      '& "   (" & rst!PersonID & ")"

  strAddrFull = strAddrName  ' only goes into full address
  If Not IsNull(strHouseName) Then
    strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strHouseName
  End If

  strLine = (strHouseNum + " ") & (strStreet + " ")
  If Not Nz(strLine) & "!" = "!" Then
    strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strLine
  End If

  ' get 3rd line of address or do nothing - not even a blank line
  strDistrict = Trim(Nz(DLookup("District", "mcmGeoDistricts", "DistrictID="
& lngFKDistrictID), Null))
  strAddrShort = strAddrShort & strDistrict & vbCrLf
  strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & (strDistrict + ", ")
  If Not Nz(strDistrict) & "!" = "!" Then
    strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strDistrict
  End If

  ' get 4th line of address or do nothing - not even a blank line
  strTown = Trim(UCase$(Nz(DLookup("Town", "mcmGeoTowns", "TownID=" &
Nz(lngFKTownID, 0)), " ")))
  strAddrShort = strAddrShort & (strTown + ", ")
  strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & (strTown + ", ")
  If Not Nz(strTown) & "!" = "!" Then
    strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strTown
  End If


  ' get 5th line of address or do nothing - not even a blank line

  If lngFKCountyID = 65 And Left(strTown, 6) = "Dublin" Then
    ' Skip if County Dublin and Dublin is in the town
  Else
    strCounty = Trim(Nz(DLookup("County", "mcmGeoCountys", "CountyID=" &
Nz(lngFKCountyID, 0)), Null))
    strDefaultPostCode = Trim(Nz(DLookup("FKPostalAreaID", "mcmGeoCountys",
"CountyID=" & Nz(lngFKCountyID, 0)), ""))
    If Trim(Nz(strTown, "")) <> Trim(Nz(strCounty, "")) Then
      strAddrShort = strAddrShort & (strCounty + ", ")
      strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & (strCounty + ", ")
      If Not Nz(strCounty) & "!" = "!" Then
        strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strCounty
      End If
    End If
  End If

  ' See if we can get a default postcode in there if not one held from the
[mcmGeoCountys] Tabls
  If Nz(rst!FKPostalAreaID, 0) = 0 And Len(Trim(strDefaultPostCode)) > 0
Then
    lngFKPostalAreaID = DLookup("PostalAreaID", "mcmGeoPostalAreas",
"PostalArea='" & strDefaultPostCode & "'")
    If lngFKPostalAreaID = 0 Then
      lngFKPostalAreaID = 153  ' ZZ uknown
    End If
    If Not rst!FKPostalAreaID = lngFKPostalAreaID Or
IsNull(rst!FKPostalAreaID) Then
      rst!FKPostalAreaID = lngFKPostalAreaID
    End If
  End If

  ' get 6th line of address or do nothing - not even a blank line
  strPostalArea = Nz(DLookup("Postalarea", "mcmGeoPostalAreas",
"PostalAreaID=" & Nz(lngFKPostalAreaID, 0)), "")
  strLine = Trim(((strPostalArea + "") & (strPostalDistrict + " ") & (strIn
+ " ")))
  If InStr("ZZ/OV/IE/IS/IN", Left(strLine, 2)) > 0 Then
    ' ignore ireland and overseas and unknown
  Else
    'MsgBox lngFKPostalAreaID & vbCrLf & strPostalDistrict & vbCrLf &
strLine
    strAddrShort = strAddrShort & (strLine + ", ")
    strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & (strLine + ", ")
    If Not Nz(strLine) & "!" = "!" Then
      strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strLine
    End If
  End If

  strCountry = Nz(DLookup("Country", "mcmGeoCountrys", "CountryID=" &
Nz(lngFKCountryID, 0)), Null)
  If Not InStr("England/Scotland/Wales", strCountry) > 0 Then
    strAddrShort = strAddrShort & strCountry
    strAddrSingle = strAddrSingle & strCountry
    If Not Nz(strCountry) & "!" = "!" Then
      strAddrFull = strAddrFull & vbCrLf & strCountry
    End If
  Else
    strAddrSingle = Trim(strAddrSingle)
    If Right(strAddrSingle, 1) = "," Then strAddrSingle =
Left(strAddrSingle, Len(strAddrSingle) - 1)
    strAddrShort = Trim(strAddrShort)
    If Right(strAddrShort, 1) = "," Then strAddrShort = Left(strAddrShort,
Len(strAddrShort) - 1)
  End If

  pfFormatPersonAddress = strAddrFull

exithere:
  Set dbs = Nothing: Set rst = Nothing
  Exit Function
errhandler:
  Select Case Err.Number
  Case Else
    MsgBox "Address Error: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description
  End Select
  Resume exithere

End Function

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?

It seems that this should be easy, but I'm not getting it.  I have a table
of registered voters with their physical addresses and mailing addresses if
other than the physical address.  The physical address fields were laid out
according to excellent rules, separated into house numbers, directional
prefix, roadway name, roadway type, directional suffix, and residential
extension.  But, the mailing address fields were just MailAddr1, MailAddr2,
MailAddr3, MailAddr4, and MailAddr5 text fields, with no consistent data
entry rules - so there were PO Box numbers in MailAddr1 or MailAddr2, alone
or in combination with city name, state name, and sometimes zip code.  In
order to use the data for mailing, I spent yesterday cleaning up the mailing
address fields so that a "full" street address if any is in MailAddr1, PO
Boxes are in MailAddr2, City, State, and Zip are in MailAddr3, MailAddr4,
and
MailAddr5 respectively.

Now, I am trying to generate a report with these addresses.  In some cases
there are both a street address and a PO Box number, such as 2651 Gunny's
Way NE, PO Box 1534.  But, I don't want a blank line appearing for blank
street addresses or PO Box addresses, so I'm trying to put them together in
an expression. What I want to do is insert a carriage return character after
the street address to put the PO Box on its own print line. 

I have this expression so far:
=Trim(Iif([MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1]&" ","")&[MailAddr2]) which
strings them out nicely, with a space between them.  Instead of the " " I
want to have ASCII 13 or the Access vba equivalent.  I have tried vbCrLf,
but Access sticks square brackets around it and demands a value for it as a
parameter.  (I've tried a bunch of other stuff, too, but just in case this
turns out to be way easy, I am not going to spill the beans about my many
failed efforts.)

How do I do this?

TIA
Tina
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 14:25:50 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:25:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>
	<003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>

Hi Susan,
It's in a textbox control on a report.  Does that have the same 
constraints as a query?
Thanks for thinking about it for me.
Tina

Susan Harkins wrote:
>> When I write:
>> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& 
>> [MailAddr2])
>> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.
>>     
>
> =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb constants 
> in a query expression.
>
> Susan H. 
>
>   


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 15:18:08 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:18:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com><003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <007a01c81e56$a938c5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Someone smarter than me will need to verify this, but I don't think you can 
use vb constants outside of a module.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
> It's in a textbox control on a report.  Does that have the same
> constraints as a query?
> Thanks for thinking about it for me.
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>>> When I write:
>>> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")&
>>> [MailAddr2])
>>> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.
>>>
>>
>> =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb 
>> constants
>> in a query expression.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov  3 16:21:31 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:21:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <007a01c81e56$a938c5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com><003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne><472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
	<007a01c81e56$a938c5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c81e5f$827ac730$647aa8c0@M90>

You can, but they need to be declared public. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?

Someone smarter than me will need to verify this, but I don't think you can
use vb constants outside of a module.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
> It's in a textbox control on a report.  Does that have the same 
> constraints as a query?
> Thanks for thinking about it for me.
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>>> When I write:
>>> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")&
>>> [MailAddr2])
>>> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.
>>>
>>
>> =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb 
>> constants in a query expression.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 16:49:05 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:49:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com><003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne><472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com><007a01c81e56$a938c5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000001c81e5f$827ac730$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <017801c81e63$5d4ea590$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OH! Now that's interesting -- so if you declare a vb constant as a Public 
constant in a module, you can then use them in expression outside the 
module? If that's what you're saying, that's slick. I wouldn't have thought 
of it at all.

Susan H.


> You can, but they need to be declared public.
>
> Someone smarter than me will need to verify this, but I don't think you 
> can
> use vb constants outside of a module.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov  3 17:08:11 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:08:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
 it could not be understood...
In-Reply-To: <000001c81de6$a38bc970$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <E2ED142AB8954376B98BE381B1FE5692@creativesystemdesigns.com>

It is a horrific event...definitely OT but of such a stature that it should
have precedence. 

We on the North West Coast, outside the continental US, live such sheltered
lives. Even though it happened many years ago, we all watched it on the news
with an air of shock and disbelief.

Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 11:56 PM
To: 'Access-D'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not be
understood...


Hi All,

This post is a way off-topic and it's not easy weekend reading but I dare to
post it here because it's related to the people of many nations and I expect
this my post will be let through by moderators who allowed to have here a
rather heated discussion about fires in California...

No, I do not expect a heated discussion of this OT thread here. Just read
it.

This post has excerpts from an article published on 31-OCT-2007 here:

http://www.kommersant.ru/doc.aspx?DocsID=820588 

Here is its automated translation:
 
http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=ru&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kommer
sant.ru%2Fdoc.aspx%3FDocsID%3D820588&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp
2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=44&psubmit2.y=6

Below are the excerpts, which I tried to make more readable than referred
above automated translation. My short comments are in brackets marked with
(SS: ...). As you can find this article is far from being "an apologetics to
the nowadays Russian Authorities"...

I'm sorry that is all I can do now. Read on till the end and then you should
get what a lot of people feel and think here. Thank you.
 
<<<<
If he would have not arrived today, it could not be understood...
=================================================================

...Yesterday, in Day of Memory of Victims of Political Reprisals, the
president of Russia Vladimir Putin has arrived to Butovo where are buried
more than 20 thousand of people shot to death in 1937-1938....

...Here are buried more than 20 thousands of persons, - speaks diakon
Dmitrij, and these are only about whom we precisely know. More than three
hundreds of them are canonized, these are those from approximately thousand
who passed on church affairs: not only clerics, but also church heads, and
simply active laymen. First Russian pilot Danilevsky, troupe of one Baltic
theatre with its full complement lays here... People of sixty nationalities
are buried here: Greeks, Japanese, Germans... even an Epiopian... 

...You go on a sanded pathway, and you realize, that what you now feel is
"the ground burning under foots". To not touch it, to not tramble it down
that is all what is required from you now. Because you never ever walk over
the tombs before. Leaves rustle under foots, as pieces of polyfoam in hands.
And you feel "frost on your skin"...

... - For us it is a real tragedy, - he (SS:Mr. Putin) has continued  - the
scale of this tragedy is enormous - millions of persons were banished,  have
been shot to death. And that were first of all people with their own opinion
who were not afraid to openly express this their opinion... The most
effective people, color of the nation were destroyed.... 

...I (SS:this artcle author continues), maybe, first time have seen the
confused president. 

- That's a complete crazyness (SS: umopomrachenie <- RUS), - has murmured
the president. - it seems, that it is impossible to do that.  For what?!
(SS: for what all that people were executed to death?)...

...Father Cyril, the grandson of one of shot on this field, has made a
helpless gesture and has added, that here the executors have shot the boy of
twelve years. It was authorized to shoot only from fifteen, and they have
attributed in the documents three superfluous years to the boy (to be
"authorized" to kill him "legally"). They have also shot the seventy years
old grandmother, and it is not clear for what reason she was shot do
death.... 

... - But memory is necessary to us not in itself, - spoke president. - but
to determine the ways for development of the country... Political disputes,
fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is necessary, that this
process would have not been destructive - it should be creative

Now it should become clearer, why "United Russia" (SS: the most powerful
political party here leaded by Mr.Putin for this year's December Russian
Parliament Elections) will not participate in pre-election debate. These
debate, probably, risk to become destructive for them (SS: for "United
Russia" party).... 

>>>>


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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  3 17:49:27 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 22:49:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>
	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>
	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>	<003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W27BD8555651235381A0A3AD28E0@phx.gbl>


That being the case...why not set the textbox height to 0 and the property 'CanGrow' to true...and this should give you the desired effect.  I use this all of the time for addresses on postcards and letters.  If the PO box doesn't exist...the line won't appear on the report .
 
Let me know if you have questions.  I can even send a sample offline come Monday if need be.
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:25:50 -0400> From: tinanfields at torchlake.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?> > Hi Susan,> It's in a textbox control on a report. Does that have the same > constraints as a query?> Thanks for thinking about it for me.> Tina> > Susan Harkins wrote:> >> When I write:> >> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& > >> [MailAddr2])> >> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.> >> > >> > =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb constants > > in a query expression.> >> > Susan H. > >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Nov  3 17:57:22 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 09:57:22 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov  3 18:29:56 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 16:29:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Brute Force?

Function GetHigh as Variant

GetHigh = var1
If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2 
If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4 

End Function 

I'm sure there's a more elegant way...

Rocky


 	
	

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To: Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Nov  3 18:35:43 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:35:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will go 
with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't 
remember?)

Ta
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From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Brute Force?
>
> Function GetHigh as Variant
>
> GetHigh = var1
> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>
> End Function
>
> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
> To: Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Nov  3 18:59:00 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 02:59:00 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
In-Reply-To: <006701c81e22$32b3e1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000701c81e75$81731930$6401a8c0@nant>

<<<
"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?
>>>
Hi Rocky and William,

I'd think that this is rather clear statement that opposing views are not
welcomed by nowadays Russian Authorities...

In four months it will become clearer what this "coded way of saying"
means...

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not
be understood...

Shamil:

"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?

Is he trying to engineer a way to stay in power as a strong ruler if not
dictator and undo or move away from the democratic reforms?

Rocky

<<< tail skipped for brevity  >>>



From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 18:57:48 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 19:57:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Remember this? (Just kidding, but it is from NeatCode.mdb)

Sub ShellSortArray(A() As Variant)
Dim i As Long, j As Long
Dim Low As Long, Hi As Long
Dim PushPop As Variant
   Low = LBound(A)
   Hi = UBound(A)
   j = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
   Do While j > 0
     For i = Low To Hi - j
      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
         PushPop = A(i)
         A(i) = A(i + j)
         A(i + j) = PushPop
      End If
     Next i
     For i = Hi - j To Low Step -1
      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
         PushPop = A(i)
         A(i) = A(i + j)
         A(i + j) = PushPop
      End If
     Next i
     j = j \ 2
   Loop
End Sub

Function TestShellSortArray()
    Dim vA() As Variant
    Dim i As Long
    vA = Array(64, 16, 8, 32, 40, 48, 24, 56)
    ShellSortArray vA()
    For i = LBound(vA()) To UBound(vA())
        Debug.Print vA(i)
    Next
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will 
> go
> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
> remember?)
>
> Ta
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> Brute Force?
>>
>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>
>> GetHigh = var1
>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> To: Access D Normal List
>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>
>>
>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>
>> ta
>> ______________________________________
>> Kath Pelletti
>> --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov  3 19:10:46 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:10:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,
	it could not be understood...
In-Reply-To: <000701c81e75$81731930$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <006701c81e22$32b3e1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000701c81e75$81731930$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <008801c81e77$25e78310$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

What happens in four months?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not
be understood...

<<<
"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?
>>>
Hi Rocky and William,

I'd think that this is rather clear statement that opposing views are not
welcomed by nowadays Russian Authorities...

In four months it will become clearer what this "coded way of saying"
means...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 5:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: If he would have not arrived today,it could not
be understood...

Shamil:

"Political disputes, fights, struggle of opinions are necessary, but it is
necessary, that this process would have not been destructive - it should be
creative"

Is this a coded way of saying that opposing views are not 'creative' and
therefore not welcome in the debate?

Is he trying to engineer a way to stay in power as a strong ruler if not
dictator and undo or move away from the democratic reforms?

Rocky

<<< tail skipped for brevity  >>>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov  3 19:12:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 17:12:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <008901c81e77$69931ed0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will go
with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
remember?)

Ta
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Brute Force?
>
> Function GetHigh as Variant
>
> GetHigh = var1
> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>
> End Function
>
> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
> To: Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Nov  3 19:13:52 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:13:52 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <001701c81e77$95302100$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

good one michael - how could i have forgotten ??? :)

i'll play with that and see if I can just get the highest rather than all 
values sort low-high.

thanks

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Remember this? (Just kidding, but it is from NeatCode.mdb)
>
> Sub ShellSortArray(A() As Variant)
> Dim i As Long, j As Long
> Dim Low As Long, Hi As Long
> Dim PushPop As Variant
>   Low = LBound(A)
>   Hi = UBound(A)
>   j = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
>   Do While j > 0
>     For i = Low To Hi - j
>      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
>         PushPop = A(i)
>         A(i) = A(i + j)
>         A(i + j) = PushPop
>      End If
>     Next i
>     For i = Hi - j To Low Step -1
>      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
>         PushPop = A(i)
>         A(i) = A(i + j)
>         A(i + j) = PushPop
>      End If
>     Next i
>     j = j \ 2
>   Loop
> End Sub
>
> Function TestShellSortArray()
>    Dim vA() As Variant
>    Dim i As Long
>    vA = Array(64, 16, 8, 32, 40, 48, 24, 56)
>    ShellSortArray vA()
>    For i = LBound(vA()) To UBound(vA())
>        Debug.Print vA(i)
>    Next
> End Function
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will
>> go
>> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
>> remember?)
>>
>> Ta
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>>> Brute Force?
>>>
>>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>>
>>> GetHigh = var1
>>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>>
>>> End Function
>>>
>>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>>> To: Access D Normal List
>>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>>
>>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get 
>>> the
>>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>>
>>>
>>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>>
>>> ta
>>> ______________________________________
>>> Kath Pelletti
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Nov  3 19:14:58 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 11:14:58 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008901c81e77$69931ed0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002101c81e77$bcdcd630$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

I would have thought so?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will 
> go
> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
> remember?)
>
> Ta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> Brute Force?
>>
>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>
>> GetHigh = var1
>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> To: Access D Normal List
>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>
>>
>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>
>> ta
>> ______________________________________
>> Kath Pelletti
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 19:23:20 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 20:23:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<001701c81e77$95302100$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <005c01c81e78$e84146c0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Kathy,

Min and Max are LBound and the UBound.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> good one michael - how could i have forgotten ??? :)
>
> i'll play with that and see if I can just get the highest rather than all
> values sort low-high.
>
> thanks 



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov  3 19:51:40 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 20:51:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W27BD8555651235381A0A3AD28E0@phx.gbl>
References: <472C9D61.1010701@torchlake.com>	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3B96@exch1.Onappsad.net><29f585dd0711030955t59b4435dy307b9823d1ce6285@mail.gmail.com>	<472CB155.6090906@torchlake.com>	<003e01c81e41$0293b040$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<472CCB3E.6060601@torchlake.com>
	<BAY127-W27BD8555651235381A0A3AD28E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <472D179C.2020304@torchlake.com>

Mark,
Now that's slick!  Thanks for the tip.
Tina

Mark A Matte wrote:
> That being the case...why not set the textbox height to 0 and the property 'CanGrow' to true...and this should give you the desired effect.  I use this all of the time for addresses on postcards and letters.  If the PO box doesn't exist...the line won't appear on the report .
>  
> Let me know if you have questions.  I can even send a sample offline come Monday if need be.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Mark A. Matte> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 15:25:50 -0400> From: tinanfields at torchlake.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert a new line in an expression?> > Hi Susan,> It's in a textbox control on a report. Does that have the same > constraints as a query?> Thanks for thinking about it for me.> Tina> > Susan Harkins wrote:> >> When I write:> >> =Trim( Iif( [MailAddr1] Is Not Null, [MailAddr1] & vbCrLf, "")& > >> [MailAddr2])> >> Access treats vbCrLf not as a constant but as a parameter.> >> > >> > =====Is this in a query expression? I don't think you can use vb constants > > in a query expression.> >> > Susan H. > >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 02:04:30 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:04:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <002101c81e77$bcdcd630$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>

If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of

Function Max(var1, var2)

If var1>var2 then
  Max=var1
Else
  Max=var2
End if
End Function

then you can just

Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kath Pelletti
> Sent: 04 November 2007 00:15
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> 
> I would have thought so?
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> 
> > Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
> > Pelletti
> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> >
> > That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another 
> solution I 
> > will
> > go
> > with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we 
> both can't
> > remember?)
> >
> > Ta
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" 
> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> >
> >
> >> Brute Force?
> >>
> >> Function GetHigh as Variant
> >>
> >> GetHigh = var1
> >> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
> >> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
> >> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
> >>
> >> End Function
> >>
> >> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
> >>
> >> Rocky
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath 
> >> Pelletti
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
> >> To: Access D Normal List
> >> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> >>
> >> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I 
> use to get 
> >> the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
> >>
> >>
> >> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, 
> >> var4)
> >>
> >> ta
> >> ______________________________________
> >> Kath Pelletti
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
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From spike at tenbus.co.uk  Sun Nov  4 02:27:06 2007
From: spike at tenbus.co.uk (Webadmin - Tenbus)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:27:06 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <472D825A.2090400@tenbus.co.uk>

That's neat Andy!

One to file away.

Regards
Chris Foote

Andy Lacey wrote:
> If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of
>
> Function Max(var1, var2)
>
> If var1>var2 then
>   Max=var1
> Else
>   Max=var2
> End if
> End Function
>
> then you can just
>
> Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 




From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 02:39:37 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:39:37 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000901c81f87$6713dc60$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

thx andy

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of
>
> Function Max(var1, var2)
>
> If var1>var2 then
>  Max=var1
> Else
>  Max=var2
> End if
> End Function
>
> then you can just
>
> Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: 04 November 2007 00:15
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> I would have thought so?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> > Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
>> >
>> > Rocky
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> > Pelletti
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> > That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another
>> solution I
>> > will
>> > go
>> > with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we
>> both can't
>> > remember?)
>> >
>> > Ta
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software"
>> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> >
>> >> Brute Force?
>> >>
>> >> Function GetHigh as Variant
>> >>
>> >> GetHigh = var1
>> >> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> >> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> >> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>> >>
>> >> End Function
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>> >>
>> >> Rocky
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> >> Pelletti
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> >> To: Access D Normal List
>> >> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >>
>> >> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I
>> use to get
>> >> the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3,
>> >> var4)
>> >>
>> >> ta
>> >> ______________________________________
>> >> Kath Pelletti
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>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Sun Nov  4 05:56:45 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 17:26:45 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <006b01c81ed9$d2a69c50$7357a27a@personalec1122>

    That is cute Andy!  My compliments for such elegant solution.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andy Lacey 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 13:34
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


  If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of

  Function Max(var1, var2)

  If var1>var2 then
    Max=var1
  Else
    Max=var2
  End if
  End Function

  then you can just

  Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)

  -- Andy Lacey
  http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Nov  4 06:20:41 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:20:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000c01c81edd$1e646200$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...pop! ...into ye olde code bin :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of
>
> Function Max(var1, var2)
>
> If var1>var2 then
>  Max=var1
> Else
>  Max=var2
> End if
> End Function
>
> then you can just
>
> Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: 04 November 2007 00:15
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> I would have thought so?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> > Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
>> >
>> > Rocky
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> > Pelletti
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> > That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another
>> solution I
>> > will
>> > go
>> > with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we
>> both can't
>> > remember?)
>> >
>> > Ta
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software"
>> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> >
>> >> Brute Force?
>> >>
>> >> Function GetHigh as Variant
>> >>
>> >> GetHigh = var1
>> >> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> >> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> >> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>> >>
>> >> End Function
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>> >>
>> >> Rocky
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> >> Pelletti
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> >> To: Access D Normal List
>> >> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >>
>> >> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I
>> use to get
>> >> the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3,
>> >> var4)
>> >>
>> >> ta
>> >> ______________________________________
>> >> Kath Pelletti
>> >> --
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>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.19/1106 - Release Date:
>> >> 11/2/2007 9:46 PM
>> >>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 06:31:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:31:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>

Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of variables into an
array of variables.

'.Comments  :
'.Parameters:
'.Sets      :
'.Returns   :
'.Created by: Colby Consulting
'.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant)
On Error GoTo Err_MaxOfVars
Dim lvarVal As Variant
Dim lvarMax As Variant
    lvarMax = varValues(0)
    For Each lvarVal In varValues
        If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
            lvarMax = lvarVal
        End If
    Next lvarVal
    MaxOfVars = lvarMax
Exit_MaxOfVars:
Exit Function
Err_MaxOfVars:
    Select Case Err
    Case 9	'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
currently return a null
	  MaxOfVars = null
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    Case Else
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function Module1.MaxOfVars"
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    End Select
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
Then you can simply:

1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
2) Iterate through the array
3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in the array
6) Return lvarMax

7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a value of 9 and
return a null

Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back the max value
regardless of the number passed in.

BTW, the function is tested and works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
To: Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 06:32:39 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:32:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000c01c81edd$1e646200$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <000c01c81eb9$57482cb0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
	<000c01c81edd$1e646200$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000401c81ede$c9e61050$647aa8c0@M90>

Yes, but now you have to do that N times.  I have a better solution coming. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

...pop! ...into ye olde code bin :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> If you write yourself a general purpose Max function along the lines of
>
> Function Max(var1, var2)
>
> If var1>var2 then
>  Max=var1
> Else
>  Max=var2
> End if
> End Function
>
> then you can just
>
> Result=Max(Max(Max(var4,var3),var2),var1)
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: 04 November 2007 00:15
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> I would have thought so?
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>> > Yeah, there must be something like Max(var1, var2, var3, var4)
>> >
>> > Rocky
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> > Pelletti
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 4:36 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> > That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another
>> solution I
>> > will
>> > go
>> > with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we
>> both can't
>> > remember?)
>> >
>> > Ta
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software"
>> <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >
>> >
>> >> Brute Force?
>> >>
>> >> Function GetHigh as Variant
>> >>
>> >> GetHigh = var1
>> >> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> >> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> >> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>> >>
>> >> End Function
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>> >>
>> >> Rocky
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath
>> >> Pelletti
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> >> To: Access D Normal List
>> >> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>> >>
>> >> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I
>> use to get
>> >> the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3,
>> >> var4)
>> >>
>> >> ta
>> >> ______________________________________
>> >> Kath Pelletti
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
>> >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.19/1106 - Release Date:
>> >> 11/2/2007 9:46 PM
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >>
>> >
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>> >
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>> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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>> > 11/2/2007
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 06:37:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:37:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000501c81edf$7f415ef0$647aa8c0@M90>

BTW. to test this simply go to the debug window and enter:

?MaxOfVars(4,2,5,4,8,4,9,0)

and hit enter.  

Place a breakpoint at lvarmax=varvalues(0) and then step if you want to
watch it run.

Next do 

?MaxOfVars(5,2,6,7,4)

Next do 

?MaxOfVars()



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of variables into an
array of variables.

'.Comments  :
'.Parameters:
'.Sets      :
'.Returns   :
'.Created by: Colby Consulting
'.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant) On Error GoTo
Err_MaxOfVars Dim lvarVal As Variant Dim lvarMax As Variant
    lvarMax = varValues(0)
    For Each lvarVal In varValues
        If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
            lvarMax = lvarVal
        End If
    Next lvarVal
    MaxOfVars = lvarMax
Exit_MaxOfVars:
Exit Function
Err_MaxOfVars:
    Select Case Err
    Case 9	'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
currently return a null
	  MaxOfVars = null
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    Case Else
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function Module1.MaxOfVars"
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    End Select
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
Then you can simply:

1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
2) Iterate through the array
3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in the array
6) Return lvarMax

7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a value of 9 and
return a null

Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back the max value
regardless of the number passed in.

BTW, the function is tested and works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
To: Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 06:40:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 07:40:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000601c81edf$d93af880$647aa8c0@M90>

For some reason the On Error and DIM statements got yanked up on the same
line as the function.  Just move them back down into their own line.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of variables into an
array of variables.

'.Comments  :
'.Parameters:
'.Sets      :
'.Returns   :
'.Created by: Colby Consulting
'.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant) On Error GoTo
Err_MaxOfVars Dim lvarVal As Variant Dim lvarMax As Variant
    lvarMax = varValues(0)
    For Each lvarVal In varValues
        If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
            lvarMax = lvarVal
        End If
    Next lvarVal
    MaxOfVars = lvarMax
Exit_MaxOfVars:
Exit Function
Err_MaxOfVars:
    Select Case Err
    Case 9	'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
currently return a null
	  MaxOfVars = null
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    Case Else
        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function Module1.MaxOfVars"
        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
    End Select
    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
End Function
Then you can simply:

1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
2) Iterate through the array
3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in the array
6) Return lvarMax

7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a value of 9 and
return a null

Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back the max value
regardless of the number passed in.

BTW, the function is tested and works.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
To: Access D Normal List
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov  4 07:17:30 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 05:17:30 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
Message-ID: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad, particularly
Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rocky
 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov  4 10:19:01 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 08:19:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002c01c81efe$69bc3e50$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Another question about the Windows Installer - I vaguely remember there
being some problem with it that you didn't have with a commercial installer
like Wise.  But I can't remember.   Does anyone recall this?

MTIA

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad, particularly
Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rocky
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 11:53:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:53:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <000701c81f0b$96988b60$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL, the least you could have done is dig up the quicksort. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Remember this? (Just kidding, but it is from NeatCode.mdb)

Sub ShellSortArray(A() As Variant)
Dim i As Long, j As Long
Dim Low As Long, Hi As Long
Dim PushPop As Variant
   Low = LBound(A)
   Hi = UBound(A)
   j = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
   Do While j > 0
     For i = Low To Hi - j
      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
         PushPop = A(i)
         A(i) = A(i + j)
         A(i + j) = PushPop
      End If
     Next i
     For i = Hi - j To Low Step -1
      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
         PushPop = A(i)
         A(i) = A(i + j)
         A(i + j) = PushPop
      End If
     Next i
     j = j \ 2
   Loop
End Sub

Function TestShellSortArray()
    Dim vA() As Variant
    Dim i As Long
    vA = Array(64, 16, 8, 32, 40, 48, 24, 56)
    ShellSortArray vA()
    For i = LBound(vA()) To UBound(vA())
        Debug.Print vA(i)
    Next
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will 
> go
> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
> remember?)
>
> Ta
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> Brute Force?
>>
>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>
>> GetHigh = var1
>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>> To: Access D Normal List
>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>
>>
>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>
>> ta
>> ______________________________________
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 15:40:05 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:40:05 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<000301c81ede$aa371a10$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001901c81ff4$6edf0510$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

that's great John - thanks.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of variables into 
> an
> array of variables.
>
> '.Comments  :
> '.Parameters:
> '.Sets      :
> '.Returns   :
> '.Created by: Colby Consulting
> '.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
> Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant)
> On Error GoTo Err_MaxOfVars
> Dim lvarVal As Variant
> Dim lvarMax As Variant
>    lvarMax = varValues(0)
>    For Each lvarVal In varValues
>        If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
>            lvarMax = lvarVal
>        End If
>    Next lvarVal
>    MaxOfVars = lvarMax
> Exit_MaxOfVars:
> Exit Function
> Err_MaxOfVars:
>    Select Case Err
>    Case 9 'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
> currently return a null
>   MaxOfVars = null
>        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
>    Case Else
>        MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function Module1.MaxOfVars"
>        Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
>    End Select
>    Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
> End Function
> Then you can simply:
>
> 1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
> 2) Iterate through the array
> 3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
> 4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
> 5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in the array
> 6) Return lvarMax
>
> 7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a value of 9 and
> return a null
>
> Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back the max value
> regardless of the number passed in.
>
> BTW, the function is tested and works.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
> To: Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 16:38:09 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:38:09 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] move report control 2007
Message-ID: <000601c81ffc$8b94bee0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

...going mad here and don't seem to be able to find this in 'help' 2007 or anywhere else....

How do I move a bound control (in report design) independently of its label? (Where has the 'finger' gone?) I have also tried to cut and paste the label and put it back (used to work in 2003 - they became separate items) but this doesn't work in 2007?

tia

Kath
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti


From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.035@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.040@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.042@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.038@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.037@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.036@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.041@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:46 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.039@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.045@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.043@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:49:47 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:49:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5ab2.044@cactus.dk>

>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:54:17 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:54:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5bc4.046@cactus.dk>

Hi Kath

I'm with JC. This is an excellent example to demonstrate the power of ParamArray. Here's an example specific for dates that I have used:

Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date

' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
' array avarDates().
' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
'
' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Return value for an empty array.
  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
  
  Dim varDate     As Variant
  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
    
  For Each varDate In avarDates()
    If IsDate(varDate) Then
      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
        varDate = CDate(varDate)
      End If
      If varDate > varDateMax Then
        varDateMax = varDate
      End If
    End If
  Next
  
  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
  End If
  
  DateMax = varDateMax
  
End Function

/gustav


>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:


eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)

ta
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti




From gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Nov  4 16:56:08 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 23:56:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 17:05:46 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:05:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>
References: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c81f37$3c4e5cd0$647aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.  Now I've heard everything. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 17:13:10 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:13:10 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <s72e5bc4.046@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003201c82001$6f5337c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

thanks Gustav - I have never really mastered arrays in vba (used to use them 
a lot in Cobol, RPG - but many moons ago).

So thanks to you and John for the examples.

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Hi Kath
>
> I'm with JC. This is an excellent example to demonstrate the power of 
> ParamArray. Here's an example specific for dates that I have used:
>
> Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date
>
> ' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
> ' array avarDates().
> ' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
> ' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
> '
> ' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>
>  ' Return value for an empty array.
>  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
>
>  Dim varDate     As Variant
>  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
>
>  For Each varDate In avarDates()
>    If IsDate(varDate) Then
>      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
>        varDate = CDate(varDate)
>      End If
>      If varDate > varDateMax Then
>        varDateMax = varDate
>      End If
>    End If
>  Next
>
>  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
>    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
>  End If
>
>  DateMax = varDateMax
>
> End Function
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the 
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
>
>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sun Nov  4 17:16:40 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 18:16:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<000701c81f0b$96988b60$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <008b01c81f38$cab24710$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Oh, Sorry.

Sub QuickSort(A() As Integer, ByVal Low As Integer, ByVal Hi As Integer)
'
' Very fast sort: n Log n comparisons
'
' Calling convention:
'   Redim A(1 To 20) as Integer
'   QuickSort A(), 1, 20
'
Dim MidValue As Integer, i As Integer, j As Integer, Temp As Integer
  If Hi <= Low Then Exit Sub
  MidValue = A((Low + Hi) \ 2)
  i = Low
  j = Hi
  Do While i <= j
    If A(i) >= MidValue And A(j) <= MidValue Then
      Temp = A(i)
      A(i) = A(j)
      A(j) = Temp
      i = i + 1
      j = j - 1
    Else
      If A(i) < MidValue Then i = i + 1
      If A(j) > MidValue Then j = j - 1
    End If
  Loop
  QuickSort A(), Low, j
  QuickSort A(), i, Hi
End Sub

Function TestQuickSort()
   ReDim A(1 To 8) As Integer
   A(1) = 64: A(2) = 16: A(3) = 8: A(4) = 32: A(5) = 40: A(6) = 48: A(7) = 
24: A(8) = 56
   QuickSort A(), 1, 8
   Debug.Print "Min: " & A(1) & " and Max:" & A(8)
End Function

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> LOL, the least you could have done is dig up the quicksort.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R 
> Mattys
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> Remember this? (Just kidding, but it is from NeatCode.mdb)
>
> Sub ShellSortArray(A() As Variant)
> Dim i As Long, j As Long
> Dim Low As Long, Hi As Long
> Dim PushPop As Variant
>   Low = LBound(A)
>   Hi = UBound(A)
>   j = (Hi - Low + 1) \ 2
>   Do While j > 0
>     For i = Low To Hi - j
>      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
>         PushPop = A(i)
>         A(i) = A(i + j)
>         A(i + j) = PushPop
>      End If
>     Next i
>     For i = Hi - j To Low Step -1
>      If A(i) > A(i + j) Then
>         PushPop = A(i)
>         A(i) = A(i + j)
>         A(i + j) = PushPop
>      End If
>     Next i
>     j = j \ 2
>   Loop
> End Sub
>
> Function TestShellSortArray()
>    Dim vA() As Variant
>    Dim i As Long
>    vA = Array(64, 16, 8, 32, 40, 48, 24, 56)
>    ShellSortArray vA()
>    For i = LBound(vA()) To UBound(vA())
>        Debug.Print vA(i)
>    Next
> End Function
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kath Pelletti" <kp at sdsonline.net>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> That's where I am with it too Rocky - until I get another solution I will
>> go
>> with this.....(but I'm sure there will be something that we both can't
>> remember?)
>>
>> Ta
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 10:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>
>>
>>> Brute Force?
>>>
>>> Function GetHigh as Variant
>>>
>>> GetHigh = var1
>>> If var2 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var2
>>> If var3 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var3
>>> If var4 > GetHigh Then GetHigh = var4
>>>
>>> End Function
>>>
>>> I'm sure there's a more elegant way...
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 3:57 PM
>>> To: Access D Normal List
>>> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>>>
>>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get 
>>> the
>>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>>
>>>
>>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>>
>>> ta
>>> ______________________________________
>>> Kath Pelletti
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 18:22:15 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:22:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] move report control 2007
References: <000601c81ffc$8b94bee0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <007801c81f41$f2c52200$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

You don't need the finger anymore, they move independently of one another 
without it.

Susan H.

> How do I move a bound control (in report design) independently of its 
> label? (Where has the 'finger' gone?) I have also tried to cut and paste 
> the label and put it back (used to work in 2003 - they became separate 
> items) but this doesn't work in 2007?



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 18:38:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:38:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <003201c82001$6f5337c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <s72e5bc4.046@cactus.dk> <003201c82001$6f5337c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <001001c81f44$427f3810$647aa8c0@M90>

The nice thing about the param array in this case is that you can pass in as
many values as you wish to the function.  In addition you can use the for
next iterator to step through the array.  Those two concepts allow a very
quick and easy solution to this kind of problem, and additionally create a
generic solution that fits not only your specific need but any set of
numbers. 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent

thanks Gustav - I have never really mastered arrays in vba (used to use them
a lot in Cobol, RPG - but many moons ago).

So thanks to you and John for the examples.

Kath
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> Hi Kath
>
> I'm with JC. This is an excellent example to demonstrate the power of 
> ParamArray. Here's an example specific for dates that I have used:
>
> Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date
>
> ' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
> ' array avarDates().
> ' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
> ' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
> '
> ' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>
>  ' Return value for an empty array.
>  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
>
>  Dim varDate     As Variant
>  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
>
>  For Each varDate In avarDates()
>    If IsDate(varDate) Then
>      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
>        varDate = CDate(varDate)
>      End If
>      If varDate > varDateMax Then
>        varDateMax = varDate
>      End If
>    End If
>  Next
>
>  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
>    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
>  End If
>
>  DateMax = varDateMax
>
> End Function
>
> /gustav
>
>
>>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the 
> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>
>
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>
> ta
> ______________________________________
> Kath Pelletti
>
>
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 18:39:51 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:39:51 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] move report control 2007
References: <000601c81ffc$8b94bee0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<007801c81f41$f2c52200$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000501c8200d$8b8c71c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

I'm not finding that? When I move the bound control the attached label moves 
and vice versa......I know there is a new thing called control layout but I 
am definitely in design view.

For now I had to delete the labels completely and add new labels using 
toolbox, then copy/paste for more. Then they are unattached.
There must be an easier way....unforunately I'm working to a (late) 
deadline....this'll do for now.

thx
Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] move report control 2007


> You don't need the finger anymore, they move independently of one another
> without it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>> How do I move a bound control (in report design) independently of its
>> label? (Where has the 'finger' gone?) I have also tried to cut and paste
>> the label and put it back (used to work in 2003 - they became separate
>> items) but this doesn't work in 2007?
>
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Nov  5 18:45:25 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 11:45:25 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
References: <s72e5bc4.046@cactus.dk> <003201c82001$6f5337c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<001001c81f44$427f3810$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000b01c8200e$525e1e70$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

exactly - the unlimited aspect is perfect..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent


> The nice thing about the param array in this case is that you can pass in 
> as
> many values as you wish to the function.  In addition you can use the for
> next iterator to step through the array.  Those two concepts allow a very
> quick and easy solution to this kind of problem, and additionally create a
> generic solution that fits not only your specific need but any set of
> numbers.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 6:13 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
> thanks Gustav - I have never really mastered arrays in vba (used to use 
> them
> a lot in Cobol, RPG - but many moons ago).
>
> So thanks to you and John for the examples.
>
> Kath
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
>
>
>> Hi Kath
>>
>> I'm with JC. This is an excellent example to demonstrate the power of
>> ParamArray. Here's an example specific for dates that I have used:
>>
>> Public Function DateMax(ParamArray avarDates() As Variant) As Date
>>
>> ' Return maximum date/time value of elements in
>> ' array avarDates().
>> ' If no elements of array avarDates() are dates,
>> ' value of cdatEmpty is returned.
>> '
>> ' 2003-09-30. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.
>>
>>  ' Return value for an empty array.
>>  Const cdatEmpty As Date = #1/1/100#
>>
>>  Dim varDate     As Variant
>>  Dim varDateMax  As Variant
>>
>>  For Each varDate In avarDates()
>>    If IsDate(varDate) Then
>>      If VarType(varDate) <> vbDate Then
>>        varDate = CDate(varDate)
>>      End If
>>      If varDate > varDateMax Then
>>        varDateMax = varDate
>>      End If
>>    End If
>>  Next
>>
>>  If IsEmpty(varDateMax) Then
>>    varDateMax = cdatEmpty
>>  End If
>>
>>  DateMax = varDateMax
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>>>> kp at sdsonline.net 03-11-07 23:57 >>>
>> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I use to get the
>> highest value of 4 variables, eg:
>>
>>
>> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, var3, var4)
>>
>> ta
>> ______________________________________
>> Kath Pelletti
>>
>>
>> -- 
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>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 18:52:07 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 19:52:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] move report control 2007
References: <000601c81ffc$8b94bee0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><007801c81f41$f2c52200$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000501c8200d$8b8c71c0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <00b901c81f46$1cb98070$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Sorry about that -- I was thinking about form controls. I checked out 
reports. If the label and control are in the same section, you can easily 
delete one or the other. If they're in different sections, they seem glued 
together with that arrangement deal.

Susan H.


> I'm not finding that? When I move the bound control the attached label 
> moves
> and vice versa......I know there is a new thing called control layout but 
> I
> am definitely in design view.
>
> For now I had to delete the labels completely and add new labels using
> toolbox, then copy/paste for more. Then they are unattached.
> There must be an easier way....unforunately I'm working to a (late)
> deadline....this'll do for now.
>
> thx
> Kath
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] move report control 2007
>
>
>> You don't need the finger anymore, they move independently of one another
>> without it.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>> How do I move a bound control (in report design) independently of its
>>> label? (Where has the 'finger' gone?) I have also tried to cut and paste
>>> the label and put it back (used to work in 2003 - they became separate
>>> items) but this doesn't work in 2007?
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 21:43:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 22:43:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
Message-ID: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sun Nov  4 22:06:57 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:06:57 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi John

There would be a few ways to do this - Maybe explore the Windows Scheduler

Another way - A simple one - Would be to do this in access (so you can control
everything) using a Microsoft Web Browser control on a form

Drop a Microsoft Web Control onto a form and feed it the URL you desire - even
the 'clicked' url at Speedtest.net can be fed to it

EG assume you called the dropped control "BrowserControl"

Pass it the parameter of the URL - Me.BrowserControl.Navigate "http://
Speedtest.net"

Then you could have it sit in the systray or minimised then using timers or time
compare etc get it to 'run' at any time you wish etc

Useful for other things to - can be re-used

Darren
-----------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of Hardware
and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 22:15:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:15:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000101c81f62$7fd23dc0$647aa8c0@M90>

How do I determine the "clicked url"? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

Hi John

There would be a few ways to do this - Maybe explore the Windows Scheduler

Another way - A simple one - Would be to do this in access (so you can
control
everything) using a Microsoft Web Browser control on a form

Drop a Microsoft Web Control onto a form and feed it the URL you desire -
even the 'clicked' url at Speedtest.net can be fed to it

EG assume you called the dropped control "BrowserControl"

Pass it the parameter of the URL - Me.BrowserControl.Navigate "http://
Speedtest.net"

Then you could have it sit in the systray or minimised then using timers or
time compare etc get it to 'run' at any time you wish etc

Useful for other things to - can be re-used

Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov  4 22:16:57 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 23:16:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<200711050406.lA546lij029990@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000201c81f62$b549fc40$647aa8c0@M90>

This thing is a flash control, apparently with "hot spots" in it.  I don't
know how to determine what goes on behind the scenes when I click one of the
hotspots. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

Hi John

There would be a few ways to do this - Maybe explore the Windows Scheduler

Another way - A simple one - Would be to do this in access (so you can
control
everything) using a Microsoft Web Browser control on a form

Drop a Microsoft Web Control onto a form and feed it the URL you desire -
even the 'clicked' url at Speedtest.net can be fed to it

EG assume you called the dropped control "BrowserControl"

Pass it the parameter of the URL - Me.BrowserControl.Navigate "http://
Speedtest.net"

Then you could have it sit in the systray or minimised then using timers or
time compare etc get it to 'run' at any time you wish etc

Useful for other things to - can be re-used

Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Nov  4 23:28:09 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 15:28:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 4 Nov 2007 at 22:43, jwcolby wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
> a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
> other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?
> 

AutoIt was original written to do just this sort of thing.

http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

<quote>
AutoIt v3 is a freeware BASIC-like scripting language designed for automating the Windows GUI and general 
scripting. It uses a combination of simulated keystrokes, mouse movement and window/control manipulation in 
order to automate tasks in a way not possible or reliable with other languages (e.g. VBScript and SendKeys). 
AutoIt is also very small, self-contained and will run on all versions of Windows out-of-the-box with no annoying 
"runtimes" required!

AutoIt was initially designed for PC "roll out" situations to reliably automate and configure thousands of PCs. Over 
time it has become a powerful language that supports complex expressions, user functions, loops and everything 
else that veteran scripters would expect
</quote>




From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov  5 00:55:20 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 17:55:20 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000201c81f62$b549fc40$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <200711050655.lA56tBgf022331@databaseadvisors.com>

Howdy

Mmm flash control - nope not sure how to determine that either - 

Sorry - Just assumed it was an html thingy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 3:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

This thing is a flash control, apparently with "hot spots" in it.  I don't
know how to determine what goes on behind the scenes when I click one of the
hotspots. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 11:07 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

Hi John

There would be a few ways to do this - Maybe explore the Windows Scheduler

Another way - A simple one - Would be to do this in access (so you can
control
everything) using a Microsoft Web Browser control on a form

Drop a Microsoft Web Control onto a form and feed it the URL you desire -
even the 'clicked' url at Speedtest.net can be fed to it

EG assume you called the dropped control "BrowserControl"

Pass it the parameter of the URL - Me.BrowserControl.Navigate "http://
Speedtest.net"

Then you could have it sit in the systray or minimised then using timers or
time compare etc get it to 'run' at any time you wish etc

Useful for other things to - can be re-used

Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, 5 November 2007 2:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I am having a big problem with my internet speed.  I am paying for 5 mbit
and getting 5 mbit, sometimes, and .5 mbit at others.

I currently use speedtest.net for the simple reason that they keep a history
of all of my tests, and I can download the results.  I have done tests to
all over the world just out of interest, mexico, ireland, london, isreal,
india etc.  It is fascinating to see how well I reach all of these places.

Back to my problem.  In order to troubleshoot this problem I need to do a
test on a regular basis to try and establish the times of day that the
problem occurs.  I would like to automate hitting speedtest.net so I don't
have to do so manually, but I do not know how to even begin doing such a
thing.

Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write open
a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or by some
other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 01:07:59 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:07:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <000601c81f7a$99c254a0$647aa8c0@M90>

This is way cool.  However I am running into an issue setting the focus to
the active window (the flash control).  The window info tool tells me it is
"MozillaWindowClass8" but I am trying things like 

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
;mousemove(692,90)
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(5000)
WinActivate("MozillaWindowClass8")
WinWaitActive("MozillaWindowClass8")
mouseclick("left",356,136)

and it gets all the way to opening the window and waiting for the flash to
stabilize but it does not activate that MozillaWindowClass8.  IOW the final
mouse click moves relative to the firefox bookmark bar at the top of
firefox, not relative to the boundaries of the flash control.  I don't know
how to get an absolute position on the screen, the mouse position in the
window info tool keeps resetting as it moves into and out of sub windows
inside of firefox.

I continue to play but not sure if I will figure this one out.

this widget is really cool though.  It would be even cooler if it would
"record macros" like Excel for instance.  I find no way to do that. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

On 4 Nov 2007 at 22:43, jwcolby wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write 
> open a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or 
> by some other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?
> 

AutoIt was original written to do just this sort of thing.

http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

<quote>
AutoIt v3 is a freeware BASIC-like scripting language designed for
automating the Windows GUI and general scripting. It uses a combination of
simulated keystrokes, mouse movement and window/control manipulation in
order to automate tasks in a way not possible or reliable with other
languages (e.g. VBScript and SendKeys). 
AutoIt is also very small, self-contained and will run on all versions of
Windows out-of-the-box with no annoying "runtimes" required!

AutoIt was initially designed for PC "roll out" situations to reliably
automate and configure thousands of PCs. Over time it has become a powerful
language that supports complex expressions, user functions, loops and
everything else that veteran scripters would expect </quote>


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 01:23:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 02:23:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000601c81f7a$99c254a0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90><472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000601c81f7a$99c254a0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000701c81f7c$ba310680$647aa8c0@M90>

I got it!  Boy was THAT easy.  It took about 1 hour from download to
finished script.  It's crude but it works.

The finished script looks like:

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(10000)
;mouseclick("left",356,136)
;V=136+251=387
;H=356+263=619
mouseclick("left",619,397)

Basically the Window Info tool tells you the H/V offsets of the window,
which you add on to the position within the window.

Thanks a million for pointing out this tool, it works a treat as our
brethren across the pond would say.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

This is way cool.  However I am running into an issue setting the focus to
the active window (the flash control).  The window info tool tells me it is
"MozillaWindowClass8" but I am trying things like 

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
;mousemove(692,90)
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(5000)
WinActivate("MozillaWindowClass8")
WinWaitActive("MozillaWindowClass8")
mouseclick("left",356,136)

and it gets all the way to opening the window and waiting for the flash to
stabilize but it does not activate that MozillaWindowClass8.  IOW the final
mouse click moves relative to the firefox bookmark bar at the top of
firefox, not relative to the boundaries of the flash control.  I don't know
how to get an absolute position on the screen, the mouse position in the
window info tool keeps resetting as it moves into and out of sub windows
inside of firefox.

I continue to play but not sure if I will figure this one out.

this widget is really cool though.  It would be even cooler if it would
"record macros" like Excel for instance.  I find no way to do that. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

On 4 Nov 2007 at 22:43, jwcolby wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write 
> open a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or 
> by some other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?
> 

AutoIt was original written to do just this sort of thing.

http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

<quote>
AutoIt v3 is a freeware BASIC-like scripting language designed for
automating the Windows GUI and general scripting. It uses a combination of
simulated keystrokes, mouse movement and window/control manipulation in
order to automate tasks in a way not possible or reliable with other
languages (e.g. VBScript and SendKeys). 
AutoIt is also very small, self-contained and will run on all versions of
Windows out-of-the-box with no annoying "runtimes" required!

AutoIt was initially designed for PC "roll out" situations to reliably
automate and configure thousands of PCs. Over time it has become a powerful
language that supports complex expressions, user functions, loops and
everything else that veteran scripters would expect </quote>


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Nov  5 06:03:36 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:03:36 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <000501c81edf$7f415ef0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009101c81fa3$e60e5b50$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>

Hats off to you JC. Your solution beats mine easy. I'll be using this
principle.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 04 November 2007 12:38
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> 
> BTW. to test this simply go to the debug window and enter:
> 
> ?MaxOfVars(4,2,5,4,8,4,9,0)
> 
> and hit enter.  
> 
> Place a breakpoint at lvarmax=varvalues(0) and then step if 
> you want to watch it run.
> 
> Next do 
> 
> ?MaxOfVars(5,2,6,7,4)
> 
> Next do 
> 
> ?MaxOfVars()
> 
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 7:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> Probably the easiest way to do this is to turn the set of 
> variables into an array of variables.
> 
> '.Comments  :
> '.Parameters:
> '.Sets      :
> '.Returns   :
> '.Created by: Colby Consulting
> '.Created   : 11/4/2007 7:27:49 AM
> Function MaxOfVars(ParamArray varValues() As Variant) On 
> Error GoTo Err_MaxOfVars Dim lvarVal As Variant Dim lvarMax As Variant
>     lvarMax = varValues(0)
>     For Each lvarVal In varValues
>         If lvarVal > lvarMax Then
>             lvarMax = lvarVal
>         End If
>     Next lvarVal
>     MaxOfVars = lvarMax
> Exit_MaxOfVars:
> Exit Function
> Err_MaxOfVars:
>     Select Case Err
>     Case 9	'No values passed in.  Return what you want here.  Will
> currently return a null
> 	  MaxOfVars = null
>         Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
>     Case Else
>         MsgBox Err.Description, , "Error in Function 
> Module1.MaxOfVars"
>         Resume Exit_MaxOfVars
>     End Select
>     Resume 0    '.FOR TROUBLESHOOTING
> End Function
> Then you can simply:
> 
> 1) Set the lvarMax = the first value in the array
> 2) Iterate through the array
> 3) Check if lvarVal > lvarMax
> 4) If it is set lvarmax = lvarVal
> 5) When you are done lvarMax is equal to the largest value in 
> the array
> 6) Return lvarMax
> 
> 7) if nothing is passed in you hit the error handler with a 
> value of 9 and return a null
> 
> Now you can pass in any number of values and always get back 
> the max value regardless of the number passed in.
> 
> BTW, the function is tested and works.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kath Pelletti
> Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 6:57 PM
> To: Access D Normal List
> Subject: [AccessD] highest value of 4 variables - urgent
> 
> maybe i am having a vague moment - but what function can I 
> use to get the highest value of 4 variables, eg:
> 
> 
> eg. I want to know x where x is the highest of (var1, var2, 
> var3, var4)
> 
> ta
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Nov  5 06:39:08 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 07:39:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test
In-Reply-To: <000701c81f7c$ba310680$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000001c81f5e$169576a0$647aa8c0@M90><472EA9E9.9386.53860945@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<000601c81f7a$99c254a0$647aa8c0@M90>
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Message-ID: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  Know you already have your answer, but I would also suggest a look at DSL
Reports (www.dslreports.com).  It has a tools section with a lot of
different tools (including Smokeping, which is what you were basically
looking for) for testing and troubleshooting Internet connections, plus a
bunch of FAQ's on what to do about results.

  Just about all of it is free.

Jim. 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

I got it!  Boy was THAT easy.  It took about 1 hour from download to
finished script.  It's crude but it works.

The finished script looks like:

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(10000)
;mouseclick("left",356,136)
;V=136+251=387
;H=356+263=619
mouseclick("left",619,397)

Basically the Window Info tool tells you the H/V offsets of the window,
which you add on to the position within the window.

Thanks a million for pointing out this tool, it works a treat as our
brethren across the pond would say.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

This is way cool.  However I am running into an issue setting the focus to
the active window (the flash control).  The window info tool tells me it is
"MozillaWindowClass8" but I am trying things like 

Run("C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe")
;mousemove(692,90)
WinWaitActive("Mozilla Firefox Start Page - Mozilla Firefox")
MouseClick("left",692,95)
sleep(5000)
WinActivate("MozillaWindowClass8")
WinWaitActive("MozillaWindowClass8")
mouseclick("left",356,136)

and it gets all the way to opening the window and waiting for the flash to
stabilize but it does not activate that MozillaWindowClass8.  IOW the final
mouse click moves relative to the firefox bookmark bar at the top of
firefox, not relative to the boundaries of the flash control.  I don't know
how to get an absolute position on the screen, the mouse position in the
window info tool keeps resetting as it moves into and out of sub windows
inside of firefox.

I continue to play but not sure if I will figure this one out.

this widget is really cool though.  It would be even cooler if it would
"record macros" like Excel for instance.  I find no way to do that. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Automate internet speed test

On 4 Nov 2007 at 22:43, jwcolby wrote:

> 
> Is it possible to do what I want to do, to have a program that I write 
> open a web site and "click on" a specific location on the screen, or 
> by some other means to accomplish what I do with the mouse right now?
> 

AutoIt was original written to do just this sort of thing.

http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/

<quote>
AutoIt v3 is a freeware BASIC-like scripting language designed for
automating the Windows GUI and general scripting. It uses a combination of
simulated keystrokes, mouse movement and window/control manipulation in
order to automate tasks in a way not possible or reliable with other
languages (e.g. VBScript and SendKeys). 
AutoIt is also very small, self-contained and will run on all versions of
Windows out-of-the-box with no annoying "runtimes" required!

AutoIt was initially designed for PC "roll out" situations to reliably
automate and configure thousands of PCs. Over time it has become a powerful
language that supports complex expressions, user functions, loops and
everything else that veteran scripters would expect </quote>


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 06:40:24 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 07:40:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Broken link at DatabaseAdvisors.com
Message-ID: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90>

We have a broken link to the mdb demo file for newsletter 200503 - How to
create an FTP Client within Access.

And I need it!  8~(

John W. Colby
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From adtejpal at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 07:12:46 2007
From: adtejpal at gmail.com (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:42:46 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <000801c81e6c$e5ae0f30$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP><008101c81e71$720e80f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000901c81e72$40ab91f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<003b01c81e75$5e8ffa00$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <00a101c81fad$bcdef230$3b57a27a@personalec1122>

William,

    If the number of value columns in crosstab style source table is likely to vary, a generic solution could be suggested, envisaging programmatic creation of required queries.

    On the other hand, if you are in a position to use the original data in normalized state, a single crosstab query could be suggested. It would fetch the desired results, including the two extra columns (one showing max of values across columns and the other showing total number of columns spanned by the two outermost columns carrying explicit values).

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
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  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 00:15
  Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only


  ...ok, you too, eh :)

  ...given:

  fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
  data1        1        1                            1             2
  data2        1                  5                  5             3
  data3        1        4                  3        3             4
  data4                  2        3                  3             2
  data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
  data6                  1                            1             1

  1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
  2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
  number and the last containing a number
  3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

  ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
  series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

  ...help!

  William

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 07:49:21 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:49:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client within
	Access
In-Reply-To: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000001c81fb2$ac10efd0$647aa8c0@M90>

I have tried to compile the code as shown on the web page and the class is
missing a method and won't compile.  Is anyone out there using this and can
you help me out here?


John W. Colby
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Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Broken link at DatabaseAdvisors.com

We have a broken link to the mdb demo file for newsletter 200503 - How to
create an FTP Client within Access.

And I need it!  8~(

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  5 08:22:08 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:22:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Timing Form Open
Message-ID: <001a01c81fb7$3fea8730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I have a form which opens very slowly on the clients machine over a network.
So I need to speed up the open.
 
But first I need a benchmark.  I tried capturing the time at the start and
end of the Open event and then displaying a message box with the start, end,
and elapsed times.
 
But after I click OK on the message box there's still more stuff going on.
I see Calculating... in the status at the bottom left which I think
indicates that it's still evaluating the record source.
 
And I think the slowness is from the recordsource query and/or the row
sources of the combo boxes.
 
So I need to capture the elapsed time from the very beginning to the very
end of the open and load process.
 
The start time is trivial, I think - first statement in the Open event
timStart = Now.  But where to I capture the stop time?
 
If I can get the real elapsed time then I can begin to tweak the record and
row sources - add indexes, simplify, etc.  But I need an accurate measure of
elapsed time.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 08:45:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:45:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Timing Form Open
In-Reply-To: <001a01c81fb7$3fea8730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <001a01c81fb7$3fea8730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002701c81fba$76d97500$647aa8c0@M90>

Rocky,

You need to back out from the form itself and time the "Docmd.Open" code.
Start the timer just before calling docmd.open and then capture the times
when that call returns.

BTW as you probably know I have a class available for doing this kind of
thing.  The simplest class ever created that can be called a class (or so I
modestly claim).

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
'
Private Declare Function apiGetTime Lib "winmm.dll" _
                                    Alias "timeGetTime" () As Long
Private lngStartTime As Long
'THESE FUNCTIONS / SUBS ARE USED TO IMPLEMENT CLASS FUNCTIONALITY
'*+Class function / sub declaration
Function EndTimer()
    EndTimer = apiGetTime() - lngStartTime
End Function
Sub StartTimer()
    lngStartTime = apiGetTime()
End Sub
'*-Class function / sub declaration
Private Sub Class_Initialize()
    StartTimer
End Sub 

in the code that opens your form:

dim lclsTimer as clsTimer
	set lclsTimer = new clsTimer
	docmd.open ...	'open your form here
	msgbox lclsTimer.EndTimer


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 9:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Timing Form Open

Dear List:
 
I have a form which opens very slowly on the clients machine over a network.
So I need to speed up the open.
 
But first I need a benchmark.  I tried capturing the time at the start and
end of the Open event and then displaying a message box with the start, end,
and elapsed times.
 
But after I click OK on the message box there's still more stuff going on.
I see Calculating... in the status at the bottom left which I think
indicates that it's still evaluating the record source.
 
And I think the slowness is from the recordsource query and/or the row
sources of the combo boxes.
 
So I need to capture the elapsed time from the very beginning to the very
end of the open and load process.
 
The start time is trivial, I think - first statement in the Open event
timStart = Now.  But where to I capture the stop time?
 
If I can get the real elapsed time then I can begin to tweak the record and
row sources - add indexes, simplify, etc.  But I need an accurate measure of
elapsed time.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Mon Nov  5 08:44:15 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 06:44:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy><024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne><008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
	<aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>

Well thanks to the Friday morning Access users and beach watchers in SD we
came up with a solution. More accurately, Mike Dwyer whipped it out on a
napkin. Here goes:

SELECT a.jid, a.q1, Count(*) AS NumCompanies
FROM [select distinct jid,q1,coid from responses where q1 is not null]. AS a
GROUP BY a.jid, a.q1;


Funny tho, if you look at the QBE, no trace of the sub query.....
I guess it is only capable of so much.

Thanks again to all who contributed.

Bob Heygood


 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

I would probably do two queries, one to select and to possibly group and the
second that uses the first as it's input that counts.

GK

On 11/1/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
> I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many 
> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
>
> Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will 
> return just the one value though. If you need additional details, 
> you'll need a subquery.
>
> Susan H.
>
> > What I need is to count the number of companies.
> > It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> > How many different companies responded to the question and many yes 
> > and how many no.
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:30:16 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:30:16 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
 within	Access
In-Reply-To: <000001c81fb2$ac10efd0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90>
	<000001c81fb2$ac10efd0$647aa8c0@M90>
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John, I sent you a file offline...I believe it is the original demo file that accompanied the code you are referencing.  Everything I use I have pulled out of that mdb. Good luck, Mark A. Matte> From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:49:21 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client within Access> > I have tried to compile the code as shown on the web page and the class is> missing a method and won't compile. Is anyone out there using this and can> you help me out here?> > > John W. Colby> Colby Consulting> www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original Message-----> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:40 AM> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'> Subject: [AccessD] Broken link at DatabaseAdvisors.com> > We have a broken link to the mdb demo file for newsletter 200503 - How to> create an FTP Client within Access.> > And I need it! 8~(> > John W. Colby> Colby Consulting> www.ColbyConsulting.com > > --> AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:31:45 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:31:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy>
	<00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy>
	<024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy>
	<aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com>
	<003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
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Not that you need it in this case, but it's worth mentioning a seldom-used
flavor of the Count() syntax. Here's one that works against the
AdventureWorks sample database:

Select Count(Distinct CustomerID) from Sales.SalesOrderHeader

A.

On 11/5/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Well thanks to the Friday morning Access users and beach watchers in SD we
> came up with a solution. More accurately, Mike Dwyer whipped it out on a
> napkin. Here goes:
>
> SELECT a.jid, a.q1, Count(*) AS NumCompanies
> FROM [select distinct jid,q1,coid from responses where q1 is not null]. AS
> a
> GROUP BY a.jid, a.q1;
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:36:02 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:36:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy><024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne><008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy><aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com><003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
	<29f585dd0711050731u996f618o5206d0f100dd89a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01c81fc1$f8f16d20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well that's cool -- I'll have to take a look at that one!

Susan H.


> Not that you need it in this case, but it's worth mentioning a seldom-used
> flavor of the Count() syntax. Here's one that works against the
> AdventureWorks sample database:
>
> Select Count(Distinct CustomerID) from Sales.SalesOrderHeader



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 09:42:30 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:42:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
	within	Access
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W36AE4264316EFE3E24EB7BD2880@phx.gbl>
References: <000e01c81fa9$09ba7d90$647aa8c0@M90><000001c81fb2$ac10efd0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY127-W36AE4264316EFE3E24EB7BD2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003101c81fc2$7a9264b0$647aa8c0@M90>

It hasn't appeared yet.

Thanks for the assistance. 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
within Access


John, I sent you a file offline...I believe it is the original demo file
that accompanied the code you are referencing.  Everything I use I have
pulled out of that mdb. Good luck, Mark A. Matte> From:
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Mon, 5
Nov 2007 08:49:21 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to
create an FTP Client within Access> > I have tried to compile the code as
shown on the web page and the class is> missing a method and won't compile.
Is anyone out there using this and can> you help me out here?> > > John W.
Colby> Colby Consulting> www.ColbyConsulting.com > -----Original
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby> Sent:
Monday, November 05, 2007 7:40 AM> To: 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'> Subject: [AccessD] Broken link at DatabaseAdvisors.com> >
We have a broken link to the mdb demo file for newsletter 200503 - How!
  to> create an FTP Client within Access.> > And I need it! 8~(> > John W.
Colby> Colby Consulting> www.ColbyConsulting.com > > --> AccessD mailing
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov  5 09:50:26 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 09:50:26 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
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Bob,

I 'think' that you will need to replace the square brackets around your
subquery with parentheses.  Try that and then look at the QBE.  I have
written simple subqueries in the QBE, so they do display there.

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Well thanks to the Friday morning Access users and beach watchers in SD we
came up with a solution. More accurately, Mike Dwyer whipped it out on a
napkin. Here goes:

SELECT a.jid, a.q1, Count(*) AS NumCompanies
FROM [select distinct jid,q1,coid from responses where q1 is not null]. AS a
GROUP BY a.jid, a.q1;


Funny tho, if you look at the QBE, no trace of the sub query.....
I guess it is only capable of so much.

Thanks again to all who contributed.

Bob Heygood


 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

I would probably do two queries, one to select and to possibly group and the
second that uses the first as it's input that counts.

GK

On 11/1/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
> I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many 
> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
>
> Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will 
> return just the one value though. If you need additional details, 
> you'll need a subquery.
>
> Susan H.
>
> > What I need is to count the number of companies.
> > It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> > How many different companies responded to the question and many yes 
> > and how many no.
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 09:58:20 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:58:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP
	Clientwithin	Access
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Message-ID: <00d201c81fc4$b0e1fab0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi,
I also had this problem when I downloaded this module.
Is it possible to have it corrected so that it is downloadable again please.
Thanks
Max
 

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Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 3:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Clientwithin
Access

It hasn't appeared yet.

Thanks for the assistance. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
within Access


John, I sent you a file offline...I believe it is the original demo file
that accompanied the code you are referencing.  Everything I use I have
pulled out of that mdb. Good luck, Mark A. Matte> From:
jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Mon, 5
Nov 2007 08:49:21 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to
create an FTP Client within Access> > I have tried to compile the code as
shown on the web page and the class is> missing a method and won't compile.
Is anyone out there using this and can> you help me out here?> > > John W.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov  5 10:06:17 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:06:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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We used Wise and Sagekey for years with our Access apps, but we switched
to InstallShield for the .Net apps.  I've always like Installshiled, and
I used to use it for my own Access runtime installs.  Sagekey provides
scripts for InstallShield too.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad,
particularly Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rocky
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov  5 10:07:43 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:07:43 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81efe$69bc3e50$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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The thing I remember about it was that you couldn't put a shortcut on
the desktop with it.  You had to create a VB script to install a
shortcut.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Another question about the Windows Installer - I vaguely remember there
being some problem with it that you didn't have with a commercial
installer
like Wise.  But I can't remember.   Does anyone recall this?

MTIA

Rocky





 	
	

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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
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Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad,
particularly Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov  5 10:15:25 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 08:15:25 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
In-Reply-To: <002d01c81fc3$95ccf460$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com><200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com><005d01c81ca4$2feffb50$800101df@speedy><00fa01c81ca6$d0f364e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><007b01c81cc1$20590570$800101df@speedy><024701c81cc2$4ad44e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne><008001c81cc3$8af101b0$800101df@speedy><aea6c4950711011403j7ccca498kb410fa458d3e5fde@mail.gmail.com><003f01c81fba$5656b400$800101df@speedy>
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You can write it with parens, but the query engine will replace them
with square brackets and a period anyhow.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Bob,

I 'think' that you will need to replace the square brackets around your
subquery with parentheses.  Try that and then look at the QBE.  I have
written simple subqueries in the QBE, so they do display there.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

Well thanks to the Friday morning Access users and beach watchers in SD
we came up with a solution. More accurately, Mike Dwyer whipped it out
on a napkin. Here goes:

SELECT a.jid, a.q1, Count(*) AS NumCompanies FROM [select distinct
jid,q1,coid from responses where q1 is not null]. AS a GROUP BY a.jid,
a.q1;


Funny tho, if you look at the QBE, no trace of the sub query.....
I guess it is only capable of so much.

Thanks again to all who contributed.

Bob Heygood


 -----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs

I would probably do two queries, one to select and to possibly group and
the second that uses the first as it's input that counts.

GK

On 11/1/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
> I think that that will just "count" the CoIDs, I want to know how many

> different ones are represented.
> One of the issues is I won't know before hand how many to allot
for....
>
> I may not be doing a good job of defining this either....
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
>
> Totals view will do the trick, use the Count aggregate. That will 
> return just the one value though. If you need additional details, 
> you'll need a subquery.
>
> Susan H.
>
> > What I need is to count the number of companies.
> > It is the last piece of data in my example that I am looking for.
> > How many different companies responded to the question and many yes 
> > and how many no.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov  5 10:31:49 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:31:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] newsletter 200503 - How to create an FTP Client
	withinAccess
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Sorry about the newsletter/link problem. Our webmaster he will correct it a
soon as he can.

Thanks for your patience.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov  5 11:50:19 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 18:50:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
Message-ID: <s72f660d.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

This is MS SQL Server or MySQL syntax. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in any version of JET SQL.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 05-11-2007 16:36:02 >>>
Well that's cool -- I'll have to take a look at that one!

Susan H.


> Not that you need it in this case, but it's worth mentioning a seldom-used
> flavor of the Count() syntax. Here's one that works against the
> AdventureWorks sample database:
>
> Select Count(Distinct CustomerID) from Sales.SalesOrderHeader





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 11:57:31 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:57:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting Co IDs
References: <s72f660d.070@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <015701c81fd5$950f6b90$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Thanks Gustav -- I would've tried it in Access.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
>
> This is MS SQL Server or MySQL syntax. Unfortunately, it doesn't work in 
> any version of JET SQL.
>



From fireonice at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:07:02 2007
From: fireonice at hotmail.com (James Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:07:02 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
Message-ID: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>

Okay. I know this is probably something really easy I'm overlooking, but
right now I'm drawing a blank and hope someone can point me in the right
direction.

 

I have a form with two checkboxes on it..  form is tied to a table. and when
the checkboxes are "true" I have a text box that appears for some text to be
typed in. when the checkbox is unchecked, the text box is set so the
visibility is false..  This works fine on my form, until you move to the
next record. and then no matter what state the checkbox is, the textbox will
be visible or not depending on how it was left on the last record.  (I hope
that made sense).

 

My question is, what event do I need to add my code to, so that it will set
the textbox properties correctly after the new record appears on the form.
I have tried all the events I can think of, and none work..   I'm assuming
there should be a way to  capture the record change event, but I can't seem
to find where to do that.

 

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!  I know this is probably so
easy...  LOL

 

James

 



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From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:12:35 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  OT..Test email format IGNORE
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> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output. We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:24:23 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Private_Format
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References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local> 
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Gustav,
 
Thanks for pointing this out as I typically don't read my own posts.  I'm not sure what the problem is...I think this is happening when I reply to the list...as a test I will send this email to you directly...then hit "back" and send it to the list...please let me know the results.
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000


> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:40:04 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:40:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
In-Reply-To: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711051040k3c605f4cq7b08039d08bd276f@mail.gmail.com>

I beleive it would be the "On Current" Event of the form where you
would evaluate the value of your fields and set the visibility on or
off as needed.

GK

On 11/5/07, James Miller <fireonice at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Okay. I know this is probably something really easy I'm overlooking, but
> right now I'm drawing a blank and hope someone can point me in the right
> direction.
>
>
>
> I have a form with two checkboxes on it..  form is tied to a table. and when
> the checkboxes are "true" I have a text box that appears for some text to be
> typed in. when the checkbox is unchecked, the text box is set so the
> visibility is false..  This works fine on my form, until you move to the
> next record. and then no matter what state the checkbox is, the textbox will
> be visible or not depending on how it was left on the last record.  (I hope
> that made sense).
>
>
>
> My question is, what event do I need to add my code to, so that it will set
> the textbox properties correctly after the new record appears on the form.
> I have tried all the events I can think of, and none work..   I'm assuming
> there should be a way to  capture the record change event, but I can't seem
> to find where to do that.
>
>
>
> Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!  I know this is probably so
> easy...  LOL
>
>
>
> James
>
>
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:43:32 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 12:43:32 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT..Test email format IGNORE
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W10249001C677167913256AD2880@phx.gbl>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W10249001C677167913256AD2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711051043u324ea9fhd42861439cb6f886@mail.gmail.com>

Quite a lot of weirdness going on here Mark.

I'd say the test FAILED.

GK

On 11/5/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output. We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov  5 12:57:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:57:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
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References: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <004601c81fdd$c5b05400$647aa8c0@M90>

I would guess that this is happening because you are testing for a true /
false in the checkbox and when you hit the new record the checkbox is null.
Is the actual checkbox control default value false?

As to your question OnCurrent is the event that fires when the form moves
from record to record. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Miller
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question

Okay. I know this is probably something really easy I'm overlooking, but
right now I'm drawing a blank and hope someone can point me in the right
direction.

 

I have a form with two checkboxes on it..  form is tied to a table. and when
the checkboxes are "true" I have a text box that appears for some text to be
typed in. when the checkbox is unchecked, the text box is set so the
visibility is false..  This works fine on my form, until you move to the
next record. and then no matter what state the checkbox is, the textbox will
be visible or not depending on how it was left on the last record.  (I hope
that made sense).

 

My question is, what event do I need to add my code to, so that it will set
the textbox properties correctly after the new record appears on the form.
I have tried all the events I can think of, and none work..   I'm assuming
there should be a way to  capture the record change event, but I can't seem
to find where to do that.

 

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!  I know this is probably so
easy...  LOL

 

James

 

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From fireonice at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 12:58:10 2007
From: fireonice at hotmail.com (James Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 10:58:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711051040k3c605f4cq7b08039d08bd276f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY143-DAV184D73FA20A58FAFBF8D6B9880@phx.gbl>
	<aea6c4950711051040k3c605f4cq7b08039d08bd276f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY143-DAV5BA9D4D94A4B2ED0D57CCB9880@phx.gbl>

Thanks Gary!

Man, I feel silly now, because I knew it had to be something easy I was
overlooking...   that did the trick!

Thanks again,
James


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:40 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Easy question

I beleive it would be the "On Current" Event of the form where you
would evaluate the value of your fields and set the visibility on or
off as needed.

GK





From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Nov  5 13:03:44 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 13:03:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question
In-Reply-To: <012001c81fd6$aaaff5e0$000fe1a0$@com>
References: <012001c81fd6$aaaff5e0$000fe1a0$@com>
Message-ID: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0BFD4A@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Have you tried a refresh when moving to the next record?

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of James Miller
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 12:07 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Easy question

Okay. I know this is probably something really easy I'm overlooking, but
right now I'm drawing a blank and hope someone can point me in the right
direction.

 

I have a form with two checkboxes on it..  form is tied to a table. and when
the checkboxes are "true" I have a text box that appears for some text to be
typed in. when the checkbox is unchecked, the text box is set so the
visibility is false..  This works fine on my form, until you move to the
next record. and then no matter what state the checkbox is, the textbox will
be visible or not depending on how it was left on the last record.  (I hope
that made sense).

 

My question is, what event do I need to add my code to, so that it will set
the textbox properties correctly after the new record appears on the form.
I have tried all the events I can think of, and none work..   I'm assuming
there should be a way to  capture the record change event, but I can't seem
to find where to do that.

 

Any pointers would be greatly appreciated!!  I know this is probably so
easy...  LOL

 

James

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  5 13:10:56 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:10:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703C0E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002c01c81efe$69bc3e50$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703C0E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000101c81fdf$985933d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

That's the kind of stuff I was looking for.  There's got to be some reason
why Wise and Instalshield exist.  

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

The thing I remember about it was that you couldn't put a shortcut on the
desktop with it.  You had to create a VB script to install a shortcut.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Another question about the Windows Installer - I vaguely remember there
being some problem with it that you didn't have with a commercial installer
like Wise.  But I can't remember.   Does anyone recall this?

MTIA

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad, particularly
Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rocky
 
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From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Nov  5 13:13:13 2007
From: viner at EUnet.yu (viner)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:13:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
Message-ID: <006f01c81fdf$fef13d90$dd0cf0d5@IPC>

Hi,
I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible written in Access. 
TIA,
    Ervin

From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Mon Nov  5 13:19:39 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:19:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
In-Reply-To: <006f01c81fdf$fef13d90$dd0cf0d5@IPC>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPKEMPFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

What do you mean "timetable application"?  What are you trying to
accomplish?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
>
> Hi,
> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
> written in Access.
> TIA,
>     Ervin
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:24:54 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:24:54 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Test Laptop
In-Reply-To: <002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>  
Message-ID: <BAY127-W161B89FD0A6CE271A9BA3BD2880@phx.gbl>


Sorry for the tests everyone!!!


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] Private_FormatDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:24:23 +0000


Gustav, Thanks for pointing this out as I typically don't read my own posts.  I'm not sure what the problem is...I think this is happening when I reply to the list...as a test I will send this email to you directly...then hit "back" and send it to the list...please let me know the results. Thanks, Mark A. Matte


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000

> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:26:09 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  OT: Test DeskTop
In-Reply-To: <002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
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From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] OT: Test LaptopDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:24:54 +0000


Sorry for the tests everyone!!!


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] Private_FormatDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:24:23 +0000

Gustav, Thanks for pointing this out as I typically don't read my own posts.  I'm not sure what the problem is...I think this is happening when I reply to the list...as a test I will send this email to you directly...then hit "back" and send it to the list...please let me know the results. Thanks, Mark A. Matte


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000

> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:27:59 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:27:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Test XP_Conv
In-Reply-To: <002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
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From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] OT: Test DeskTopDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:26:09 +0000





From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] OT: Test LaptopDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:24:54 +0000

Sorry for the tests everyone!!!


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: [AccessD] Private_FormatDate: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 18:24:23 +0000

Gustav, Thanks for pointing this out as I typically don't read my own posts.  I'm not sure what the problem is...I think this is happening when I reply to the list...as a test I will send this email to you directly...then hit "back" and send it to the list...please let me know the results. Thanks, Mark A. Matte


From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000

> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab. Good Luck, Mark A. Matte ************SQL*************TRANSFORM Sum(tblDataTest.Value) AS SumOfValueSELECT tblDataTest.Set, Max(tblDataTest.Value) AS MaxOfValue, Count(*) AS SeriesFROM tblDataTestGROUP BY tblDataTest.SetPIVOT tblDataTest.Ltr;************SQL*************> From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 16:32:10 -0400> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > ...tks gustav ...I'll give this a shot ...suddenly my cup runneth over > ...ain't no place like AccessD :)> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > spending days running in circles.> > William> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:16 PM> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> > > > Hi William> >> > 1) No problem.> >> > 2) Sorry, now I understand.> > Use this for Series:> >> > IIf([First]+[Last]=0,> > 0,> > 1+[Last]-[First]) AS> > Series> >> > 3) If you expect "" for empty fields, values must be strings. That's why I > > use Val() to convert to Integers.> >> > /gustav> >> >> >>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 21:05:02 >>>> > ...thanks gustav but:> > ...I'm busted again ...there was an error in the data3 max ...sigh> > ...given:> >> > fields w x y z max series> > data1 1 1 1 2> > data2 1 5 5 3> > data3 1 4 3 4 4> > data4 2 3 3 2> > data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> > data6 1 1 1> >> > 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> > 2) where series is the total number of fields between the first one> > containing a> > number and the last containing a number, not the total of the field> > contents.> > 3) where w/x/y/z are long integers for some stupid reason since it will> > allways be a single digit> >> > ...I ask for guru help and everyone starts exposing why I need it :(> > ...there is a desperate shortage of caffiene in my bloodstream ...that's > > my> > story and I'm sticking to it :)> >> > William> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:40 PM> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] ...gurus only> >> >> >> Hi William> >>> >> Here is one method using Choose():> >>> >> SELECT> >> ID,> >> w,> >> x,> >> y,> >> z,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>Val("" & [x]),> >> Val("" & [w]),> >> Val("" & [x])) AS Max12,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>Val("" & [z]),> >> Val("" & [y]),> >> Val("" & [z])) AS Max34,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> 0)))) AS> >> First,> >> IIf(Val("" & [z])>0,> >> 4,> >> IIf(Val("" & [y])>0,> >> 3,> >> IIf(Val("" & [x])>0,> >> 2,> >> IIf(Val("" & [w])>0,> >> 1,> >> 0)))) AS> >> Last,> >> IIf([Max12]>[Max34],> >> [Max12],> >> [Max34]) AS> >> Max,> >> IIf([First]=[Last],> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z])),> >>> >> Val(Choose([First],[w],[x],[y],[z]))+Val(Choose([Last],[w],[x],[y],[z])))> >> AS> >> Series> >> FROM> >> tblGuru;> >>> >>> >> This will return, which differs from your example but is according to > >> your> >> specification:> >>> >> Max Series> >> 1 2> >> 5 6> >> 4 4> >> 3 5> >> 1 2> >> 1 1> >>> >> /gustav> >>> >>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 02-11-2007 19:45:35 >>>> >> ...ok, you too, eh :)> >>> >> ...given:> >>> >> fields w x y z max series> >> data1 1 1 1 2> >> data2 1 5 5 3> >> data3 1 4 3 3 4> >> data4 2 3 3 2> >> data5 1 1 1 1 1 4> >> data6 1 1 1> >>> >> 1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and> >> 2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a> >> number and the last containing a number> >> 3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls> >>> >> ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and> >> series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.> >>> >> ...help!> >>> >> William> >> >> >> > -- > > AccessD mailing list> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:40:17 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 19:40:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  My AccessD Email Format
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>     
	<BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
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Hello All,
 
I have received some offline emails from the list concerning the format of my emails.  As I do not typically read my own posts...I was not aware.  Thank you all for letting me know.
 
I have sent from multiple machines...1 of which nothing has changed on in the last year...and the results are the same.  When I reply to an email...What I view seems to be fine...what is in the SENT folder seems to be fine...but when I get the email back from the list...everything past what I added is all run together without CR or spaces.
 
I have sent the same message to people directly...I'm waiting to hear how it went...If I send it to myself...it comes through correct.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 13:47:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:47:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk><002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
	<BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008701c81fe4$a90c2890$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


I have sent the same message to people directly...I'm waiting to hear how it 
went...If I send it to myself...it comes through correct.

Any ideas?

=======For what it's worth, this one came through fine.

Susan H. 



From viner at EUnet.yu  Mon Nov  5 13:51:34 2007
From: viner at EUnet.yu (viner)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:51:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
References: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPKEMPFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>

Hi Reuben,
I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in  "tutor, 
room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master, 
http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
TIA,
    Ervin
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed


> What do you mean "timetable application"?  What are you trying to
> accomplish?
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
>> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
>> written in Access.
>> TIA,
>>     Ervin
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov  5 13:55:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 11:55:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <002401c81a60$70c6d2c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters><008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002401c81a60$70c6d2c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000201c81fe5$d7514ae0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dan:

Here's what I ended up with.  My requirement was not as general case as
yours.  Just to spell check a specific bound field  on a filtered form - all
records.

    DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst
    Do While Me.NewRecord = False
        Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SetFocus
        Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SelStart = 0
        If Not IsNull(Me.TimeEntryNarrative) Then
            Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SelLength = Len(Me.TimeEntryNarrative)
            DoCmd.SetWarnings False
            DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
            DoCmd.SetWarnings True
        End If
        DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNext
    Loop
    SendKeys "{ESC}"

The send keys at the end is to cancel the new record.  

Thanks for the code.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

The code I listed was a little simplified.  In my app I have a User Settings
form.  One of the settings is if a user wants the auto-spellcheck turned on.
That value is stored in a tblPeopleMain field, and it's value is True by
default.

The reason this is only checking a specific field is because all the text in
that field is selected in code.  I've never tried to run acCmdSpelling
without selecting text first!  

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

That will definitely help.  I'll probably define some hot key to trigger the
spell check since the user may want it off - or maybe a check box and use
the enter/exit approach.  

The DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling if call separately, does that normally
run on all the text boxes on the form or just the text box that has the
focus?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 14:03:32 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:03:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
	<BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 5, 2007 2:40 PM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have received some offline emails from the list concerning the format of my emails.  As I do not typically read my own posts...I was not aware.  Thank you all for letting me know.
>
> I have sent from multiple machines...1 of which nothing has changed on in the last year...and the results are the same.  When I reply to an email...What I view seems to be fine...what is in the SENT folder seems to be fine...but when I get the email back from the list...everything past what I added is all run together without CR or spaces.
>
> I have sent the same message to people directly...I'm waiting to hear how it went...If I send it to myself...it comes through correct.
>
> Any ideas?

My guess (not having time to look carefully as I;'m in the middle of 3
projects with deadlines in less than an hour) is that it the HTML
email to plain text converter in the mailing list software.

Try setting your e-mail client to send only plain ascii text and not html.

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shouting "What a great ride!"


From sdhi at kalamazoo.net  Mon Nov  5 14:22:16 2007
From: sdhi at kalamazoo.net (Sheri Hixson)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:22:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters
Message-ID: <00a201c81fe9$8f08d1a0$b000000a@nw8000>

I have a column in a table that contains info as shown below:

 

123 123.456

123 123.456

410 410.435

555 555.123

789 789.678

910 910.321

 

The first 3 characters are duplicated in 5,6,7. How do I remove the first
three characters, and the space, from each record in this column so that the
results would be:

 

123.456

123.456

410.435

555.123

789.678

910.321

 

Any help would be appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Dee

 

 



From doug at starntech.com  Mon Nov  5 14:38:53 2007
From: doug at starntech.com (Doug Barnes)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:38:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <000101c81fdf$985933d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <PMEKIHBHBBIPIDKJCEJDKEALELAA.doug@starntech.com>

Another installer is Inno Setup, which is free. Also, download the Inno Tool
to accompany.

Douglas Barnes

Starn Technical Services
P.O. Box 1172
15957 Conneaut Lake Road, Suite 7
Meadville, PA  16335

P: 814.724.1045
F: 814.337.3460


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers


That's the kind of stuff I was looking for.  There's got to be some reason
why Wise and Instalshield exist.

Rocky








-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

The thing I remember about it was that you couldn't put a shortcut on the
desktop with it.  You had to create a VB script to install a shortcut.

Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:19 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Another question about the Windows Installer - I vaguely remember there
being some problem with it that you didn't have with a commercial installer
like Wise.  But I can't remember.   Does anyone recall this?

MTIA

Rocky








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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers

Dear List:

I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.

Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad, particularly
Windows Installer?

Thanks in advance

Rocky

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From Chester_Kaup at KinderMorgan.com  Mon Nov  5 14:40:43 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at KinderMorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:40:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters
In-Reply-To: <00a201c81fe9$8f08d1a0$b000000a@nw8000>
References: <00a201c81fe9$8f08d1a0$b000000a@nw8000>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D32203573815@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

For example if your data is in table1 and field1 use this function

Mid([Table1]![Field1],5,7)

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Sheri Hixson
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:22 PM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters

I have a column in a table that contains info as shown below:

 

123 123.456

123 123.456

410 410.435

555 555.123

789 789.678

910 910.321

 

The first 3 characters are duplicated in 5,6,7. How do I remove the
first
three characters, and the space, from each record in this column so that
the
results would be:

 

123.456

123.456

410.435

555.123

789.678

910.321

 

Any help would be appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Dee

 

 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov  5 14:47:16 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 14:47:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <000201c81fe5$d7514ae0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters><008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002401c81a60$70c6d2c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<000201c81fe5$d7514ae0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <004101c81fed$0d601510$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Very Clever!  I'll remember this.

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 1:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dan:

Here's what I ended up with.  My requirement was not as general case as
yours.  Just to spell check a specific bound field  on a filtered form - all
records.

    DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acFirst
    Do While Me.NewRecord = False
        Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SetFocus
        Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SelStart = 0
        If Not IsNull(Me.TimeEntryNarrative) Then
            Me.TimeEntryNarrative.SelLength = Len(Me.TimeEntryNarrative)
            DoCmd.SetWarnings False
            DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
            DoCmd.SetWarnings True
        End If
        DoCmd.GoToRecord , , acNext
    Loop
    SendKeys "{ESC}"

The send keys at the end is to cancel the new record.  

Thanks for the code.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

The code I listed was a little simplified.  In my app I have a User Settings
form.  One of the settings is if a user wants the auto-spellcheck turned on.
That value is stored in a tblPeopleMain field, and it's value is True by
default.

The reason this is only checking a specific field is because all the text in
that field is selected in code.  I've never tried to run acCmdSpelling
without selecting text first!  

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

That will definitely help.  I'll probably define some hot key to trigger the
spell check since the user may want it off - or maybe a check box and use
the enter/exit approach.  

The DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling if call separately, does that normally
run on all the text boxes on the form or just the text box that has the
focus?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


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Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov  5 15:04:19 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:04:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters
In-Reply-To: <00a201c81fe9$8f08d1a0$b000000a@nw8000>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74642@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

If this a permanent change, this would work:

UPDATE tblYourTableName SET YourFieldName=Mid(YourFieldName,5)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Sheri Hixson
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:22 PM
To: accessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Replace/delete first 4 characters

I have a column in a table that contains info as shown below:

 

123 123.456

123 123.456

410 410.435

555 555.123

789 789.678

910 910.321

 

The first 3 characters are duplicated in 5,6,7. How do I remove the
first
three characters, and the space, from each record in this column so that
the
results would be:

 

123.456

123.456

410.435

555.123

789.678

910.321

 

Any help would be appreciated!

 

Thanks,

 

Dee

 

 

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  5 15:30:27 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 21:30:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
	<002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
	<BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl> 
	<e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W1272FD042E655A78D9C56FD2880@phx.gbl>


the HTML> email to plain text converter in the mailing list software.> > Try setting your e-mail client to send only plain ascii text and not html.> 
 
I use hotmail...anyone else use it...and have any idea if that is an option?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
 
> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 15:03:32 -0500> From: carbonnb at gmail.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format> > On Nov 5, 2007 2:40 PM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:> >> > Hello All,> >> > I have received some offline emails from the list concerning the format of my emails. As I do not typically read my own posts...I was not aware. Thank you all for letting me know.> >> > I have sent from multiple machines...1 of which nothing has changed on in the last year...and the results are the same. When I reply to an email...What I view seems to be fine...what is in the SENT folder seems to be fine...but when I get the email back from the list...everything past what I added is all run together without CR or spaces.> >> > I have sent the same message to people directly...I'm waiting to hear how it went...If I send it to myself...it comes through correct.> >> > Any ideas?> > My guess (not having time to look carefully as I;'m in the middle of 3> projects with deadlines in less than an hour) is that it the HTML> email to plain text converter in the mailing list software.> > Try setting your e-mail client to send only plain ascii text and not html.> > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,> shouting "What a great ride!"> -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 19:37:11 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2007 20:37:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] My AccessD Email Format
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References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk>
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	<BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl>
	<BAY127-W443A2A847E074233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl>
	<e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY127-W1272FD042E655A78D9C56FD2880@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711051737r66c89fa0u4d1399d1c66177dd@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 5, 2007 4:30 PM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> the HTML> email to plain text converter in the mailing list software.> > Try setting your e-mail client to send only plain ascii text and not html.>
>
> I use hotmail...anyone else use it...and have any idea if that is an option?

Which version? MSN Hotmail or the new and broken Windows Live Hotmail?

http://email.about.com/od/hotmailtips/qt/et_plain_text.htm will tell
you how to do it in MSN Hotmail. If you are using the Windows Live
Hotmail, time to find another way to send to the list. You can't send
in plain acsii text from Windows Live Hotmail.

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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov  5 22:38:23 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:08:23 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only
References: <s72b93db.026@cactus.dk><002001c81d8f$72364ff0$0c10a8c0@jisshows
	bs.local><BAY127-W21C8FF2BA0B1548C2FBCB6D2880@phx.gbl><BAY127-W443A2A847E07
	4233A7A0A0D2880@phx.gbl><e04a6c920711051203p1421e2f0gc12fc768b095208c@mail.
	gmail.com><BAY127-W1272FD042E655A78D9C56FD2880@phx.gbl> 
	<e04a6c920711051737r66c89fa0u4d1399d1c66177dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c8202e$f5e09620$df57a27a@personalec1122>

William,

    If the number of value columns in crosstab style source table is likely to vary, a generic solution could be suggested, envisaging programmatic creation of required queries.

    On the other hand, if you are in a position to use the original data in normalized state, a single crosstab query could be suggested. It would fetch the desired results, including the two extra columns (one showing max of values across columns and the other showing total number of columns spanned by the two outermost columns carrying explicit values).

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: William Hindman 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 00:15
  Subject: [AccessD] ...gurus only


  ...ok, you too, eh :)

  ...given:

  fields        w        x        y        z        max        series
  data1        1        1                            1             2
  data2        1                  5                  5             3
  data3        1        4                  3        3             4
  data4                  2        3                  3             2
  data5        1        1        1        1        1             4
  data6                  1                            1             1

  1) where max is the largest number in w/x/y/z and
  2) where series is the total fields between the first one containing a 
  number and the last containing a number
  3) where empty fields contain "" rather than nulls

  ...two days and I've yet to come up with an answer to fill the max and 
  series fields from the data in w/x/y/z.

  ...help!

  William

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov  6 03:23:20 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 10:23:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Private_Format
Message-ID: <s73040af.072@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark et al

The problem is that the plain text body of the message from Hotmail is garbled as no line breaks exist.
This is a direct cut and paste of the encoded body part in the mail you sent directly to me. Here's a snip:

---
From: markamatte at hotmail.comTo: accessd at databaseadvisors.comSubject: RE: [A=
ccessD] ...gurus onlyDate: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000


> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before > sp=
ending days running in circles. ...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion=
. Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your or=
iginal table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:field1=3DSet---this =
is where your data1,data2 stuff wentfield2=3DValue---this is where your 1,2=
,5,4,2,3,4...wentfield3=3DLtr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z Assuming this =
is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a s=
ingle crosstab. 
---

However, also an HTML part is included, and if your mail client defaults to HTML, it will read that for quoting.
That looks similar to this snip:

---
From: markamatte at hotmail.com 
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: RE: [AccessD] ...gurus only
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 20:44:24 +0000

> ...now if only I could learn to swallow my pride and just ask before 
> spending days running in circles.
 
...ouch...you're gonna hate this suggestion.
 
Guessing from your description below...you used about 3 fields in your original table to get this output.  We'll use the fields:
field1=Set---this is where your data1,data2 stuff went
field2=Value---this is where your 1,2,5,4,2,3,4...went
field3=Ltr--(letter)...where your w,x,y,z
 
Assuming this is how your data is stored...the results you want can be achieved using a single crosstab.
---

No problem here.
So the issue is, that Hotmail generates garbled plain text and mail clients (including the mail reader part of the list server) faithfully reads that part for quoting or forwarding to the list.

As I don't use Hotmail while other list members do you may discuss with these if some option can be changed to address this issue.

/gustav




From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Nov  6 08:00:22 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:00:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
In-Reply-To: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
>
> Hi Reuben,
> I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in  "tutor,
> room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master,
> http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
> TIA,
>     Ervin
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
>
> > What do you mean "timetable application"?  What are you trying to
> > accomplish?
> >
> > Reuben Cummings
> > GFC, LLC
> > 812.523.1017
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
> >> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
> >> written in Access.
> >> TIA,
> >>     Ervin
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  6 08:29:34 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:29:34 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  OT...View Test
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
References: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>
	<DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>


Sorry for the tests...

ok...changed a view on my email...


> From: reuben at gfconsultants.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:00:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
> I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
> who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:52 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>>
>>
>> Hi Reuben,
>> I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in "tutor,
>> room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master,
>> http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
>> TIA,
>> Ervin
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Reuben Cummings" 
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>>
>>
>>> What do you mean "timetable application"? What are you trying to
>>> accomplish?
>>>
>>> Reuben Cummings
>>> GFC, LLC
>>> 812.523.1017
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
>>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
>>>> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
>>>> written in Access.
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Ervin
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Tue Nov  6 08:43:18 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:43:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPOENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

My wife suggested looking at these people...

http://www.sti-k12.com/

I'm guessing it's a little overkill.  A friend of mine has written a
scheduling app for things like resteraunts - would that help?  I haven't
spoken to him in quite a while so it may be tough to run him down.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Reuben
> Cummings
> Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:00 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
>
> I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
> who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:52 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >
> >
> > Hi Reuben,
> > I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in  "tutor,
> > room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master,
> > http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
> > TIA,
> >     Ervin
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Reuben Cummings" <reuben at gfconsultants.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >
> >
> > > What do you mean "timetable application"?  What are you trying to
> > > accomplish?
> > >
> > > Reuben Cummings
> > > GFC, LLC
> > > 812.523.1017
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> > >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
> > >> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
> > >> written in Access.
> > >> TIA,
> > >>     Ervin
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>





From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 08:56:35 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 08:56:35 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT...View Test
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>
References: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>
	<DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
	<BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711060656o4d3578f7p1e44159f5d6129f1@mail.gmail.com>

Looks good here.

Gary

On 11/6/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the tests...
>
> ok...changed a view on my email...
>
>
> > From: reuben at gfconsultants.com
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:00:22 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >
> > I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
> > who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.
> >
> > Reuben Cummings
> > GFC, LLC
> > 812.523.1017
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:52 PM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Reuben,
> >> I'm trying to make a timetable for school, to avoid clashes in "tutor,
> >> room, class" situation. Something like iMagic Timetable Master,
> >> http://www.imagictimetablesoftware.com/
> >> TIA,
> >> Ervin
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Reuben Cummings"
> >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >>
> >> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 8:19 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >>
> >>
> >>> What do you mean "timetable application"? What are you trying to
> >>> accomplish?
> >>>
> >>> Reuben Cummings
> >>> GFC, LLC
> >>> 812.523.1017
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of viner
> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 2:13 PM
> >>>> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> Subject: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> I need a sample timetable application for a school, if possible
> >>>> written in Access.
> >>>> TIA,
> >>>> Ervin
> >>>> --
> >>>> AccessD mailing list
> >>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 09:01:24 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 10:01:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT...View Test
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>
References: <001201c81fe5$4c50ba70$690ef0d5@IPC>
	<DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPEENEFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
	<BAY127-W2304AA3D1B3534E97A0EF7D2890@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711060701p23b8a02bs318d247f8c758540@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 6, 2007 9:29 AM, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the tests...
>
> ok...changed a view on my email...

Much better.

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov  6 09:06:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 16:06:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT...View Test
Message-ID: <s7309111.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Matt

That made a big change. Thanks!

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 06-11-2007 15:29 >>>

Sorry for the tests...

ok...changed a view on my email...


> From: reuben at gfconsultants.com 
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
> Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 09:00:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Timetable sample needed
>
> I don't know of anything, but I've passed this on to my wife, the teacher,
> who is heavily involved in software selections in her system.
>
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 13:51:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 14:51:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
Message-ID: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I have four unbound text controls -- two in the header and two in the 
footer -- to display the first and last items on each page.

I've got three of them working as follows:

I use the control's Control Source property to display the first item in the 
header and the last item in the footer. I use the following to update the 
footer's first item.

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  'Store first item on page for footer.
  Dim strFirst As String
  strFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtFooterFirst = strFirst
End Sub

I tried the following to update the header's last item, but it doesn't work:

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  'Return last item on each page for header.
  Dim strLast As String
  strLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  Me.txtHeaderLast = strLast
End Sub

The first page displays nothing and all subsequent pages display the last 
item from the previous page, not the current page.

How do I grab the last item on the current page?

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov  6 19:29:17 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 20:29:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] report control not displaying right value
Message-ID: <001601c820dd$a367a8c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

The following code is a simple solution, I thought, to displaying the last 
item on a page in the page header section. I've dropped in a few Debug 
statements to verify that the collection is storing and retrieving the right 
items, but the control always displays the first item on the page. I'm 
clueless -- I have no idea what's happening here.

Basically, during the first pass (I'm using the report Pages property to 
force a second formatting run), I'm storing the last item on each page --  
the value of txtFooterLast -- in a Collection object. That part works fine. 
Then, the report retrieves those values using the page number as the index 
value. The Debug statements verify that the right values are in the 
collection, however, txtHeaderLast doesn't display the results of 
col(Me.Page) -- it displays the first value on the page, not the value 
retrieved from the Collection. I just don't have any explanation.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Dim col As New Collection


Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Debug.Print Me.Page
  Debug.Print col(Me.Page)
  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
  Debug.Print Me.txtHeaderLast.Value
End Sub

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast, CStr(Me.Page)
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub Report_Close()
  Set col = Nothing
End Sub 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov  6 20:51:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 21:51:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing
Message-ID: <003a01c820e9$19c48f00$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I had good skies tonight and spent about an hour out looking at the north
east quadrant of the skies.  I went out specifically to see if I could find
the comet Holmes.  It turned out to be dead easy using Starry Nights.  The
program loads the location of comets and satellites and so forth so I was
able to print out a star chart with the location of Holmes.  It took all of
about 2 minutes to find it.  It is HUGE, although it is now growing so big
that it is really just a big ball of gas with a very slightly brighter
center area.  I dragged my son Robbie and my wife Mary out to see it.  Quite
cool.  

Of course it is also quite cold now (about 38 degrees out right now) so
Robbie and Mary quickly hurried back in the house.  I stayed out to try and
hunt down something else interesting.  Being totally new to this stuff I
have a lot of difficulty finding things, in fact even knowing where I am
looking.  I was trying to find the owl cluster and from there the little
dumbbell nebula M76 but was not able to do so.  I THINK I found the
Andromeda galaxy M31.  However looking at the chart now (inside the house) I
notice that there are three M objects m110, m32 and M31 quite close together
and I did not notice any other fuzzy in the immediate neighborhood so
perhaps I (once again) was not looking where I thought I was.  The area I
was looking at was close to directly over head, which makes using the finder
a pain.

Anyway, it was a fun evening.  I spent about an hour out there until my ears
were starting to get numb and it was time to pack it in.  Saturday the
"local" astronomy club is supposed to be meeting at a dark site, specific
location to be determined.  I hope to make it to the gathering.  My
telescope is an 8" DOB, an Orion Skyquest XT8 and it has a computerized
object locator, a "digital setting circle" which, if I could figure out how
to do the scope setup and calibration, would then allow me to "push to" just
about any object visible at my location.  I am hoping to get some
instruction on how to do this from club members Saturday night.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov  7 00:15:41 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:45:41 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>

Susan,

    For displaying the first and last items of report's detail section in its page header as well as footer, you have used four unbound text boxes as follows:

    (a) Page Header section:  TxtHeaderFirst and TxtHeaderLast
    (b) Page Footer section:  TxtFooterFirst and TxtFooterLast

    Assignment of values to TxtHeaderLast, located in page header section involves backward reference and therefore requires pre-building of array based upon first pass of formatting. For ensuring a complete prior cycle of formatting, you have correctly placed a calculated textbox having [Pages] as a component of its expression.

    Sample code in report's module, as given below, should get you the desired results. Title is the name of control in detail section, whose first & last values are required to be displayed in page header & footer.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample code in report's module
'=================================
' Declarations section
' Report level global array variable
Private ArLastVal() As String
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
                        As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
    
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
        ArLastVal([Page]) = Me.Title
        ReDim Preserve ArLastVal([Page] + 1)
    End If
End Sub
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
                        As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
    Me.TxtHeaderLast = ArLastVal([Page])
End Sub
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Report_Open(Cancel As Integer)
    ReDim Preserve ArLastVal(1)
End Sub
'=================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 01:21
  Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  I have four unbound text controls -- two in the header and two in the 
  footer -- to display the first and last items on each page.

  I've got three of them working as follows:

  I use the control's Control Source property to display the first item in the 
  header and the last item in the footer. I use the following to update the 
  footer's first item.

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
  Integer)
    'Store first item on page for footer.
    Dim strFirst As String
    strFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
    Me.txtFooterFirst = strFirst
  End Sub

  I tried the following to update the header's last item, but it doesn't work:

  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
  Integer)
    'Return last item on each page for header.
    Dim strLast As String
    strLast = Me.txtFooterLast
    Me.txtHeaderLast = strLast
  End Sub

  The first page displays nothing and all subsequent pages display the last 
  item from the previous page, not the current page.

  How do I grab the last item on the current page?

  Susan H. 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov  7 03:31:19 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 10:31:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] report control not displaying right value
Message-ID: <s7319415.099@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

Have you tried moving this line to the OnPrint event:

  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-11-2007 02:29 >>>
The following code is a simple solution, I thought, to displaying the last 
item on a page in the page header section. I've dropped in a few Debug 
statements to verify that the collection is storing and retrieving the right 
items, but the control always displays the first item on the page. I'm 
clueless -- I have no idea what's happening here.

Basically, during the first pass (I'm using the report Pages property to 
force a second formatting run), I'm storing the last item on each page --  
the value of txtFooterLast -- in a Collection object. That part works fine. 
Then, the report retrieves those values using the page number as the index 
value. The Debug statements verify that the right values are in the 
collection, however, txtHeaderLast doesn't display the results of 
col(Me.Page) -- it displays the first value on the page, not the value 
retrieved from the Collection. I just don't have any explanation.

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Dim col As New Collection


Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Debug.Print Me.Page
  Debug.Print col(Me.Page)
  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
  Debug.Print Me.txtHeaderLast.Value
End Sub

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast, CStr(Me.Page)
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub Report_Close()
  Set col = Nothing
End Sub 





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 06:41:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:41:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] report control not displaying right value
References: <s7319415.099@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <003d01c8213b$99d1a6e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I've put it everywhere, but I'll try again, just in case! ;)

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
>
> Have you tried moving this line to the OnPrint event:
>
>  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 07-11-2007 02:29 >>>
> The following code is a simple solution, I thought, to displaying the last
> item on a page in the page header section. I've dropped in a few Debug
> statements to verify that the collection is storing and retrieving the 
> right
> items, but the control always displays the first item on the page. I'm
> clueless -- I have no idea what's happening here.
>
> Basically, during the first pass (I'm using the report Pages property to
> force a second formatting run), I'm storing the last item on each page --
> the value of txtFooterLast -- in a Collection object. That part works 
> fine.
> Then, the report retrieves those values using the page number as the index
> value. The Debug statements verify that the right values are in the
> collection, however, txtHeaderLast doesn't display the results of
> col(Me.Page) -- it displays the first value on the page, not the value
> retrieved from the Collection. I just don't have any explanation.
>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Dim col As New Collection
>
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As
> Integer)
>  Debug.Print Me.Page
>  Debug.Print col(Me.Page)
>  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
>  Debug.Print Me.txtHeaderLast.Value
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As
> Integer)
>  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
>  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
>  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast, CStr(Me.Page)
>  End If
> End Sub
>
> Private Sub Report_Close()
>  Set col = Nothing
> End Sub
>
>
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 06:41:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 07:41:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have you 
seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
>    For displaying the first and last items of report's detail section in 
> its page header as well as footer, you have used four unbound text boxes 
> as follows:
>
>    (a) Page Header section:  TxtHeaderFirst and TxtHeaderLast
>    (b) Page Footer section:  TxtFooterFirst and TxtFooterLast
>
>    Assignment of values to TxtHeaderLast, located in page header section 
> involves backward reference and therefore requires pre-building of array 
> based upon first pass of formatting. For ensuring a complete prior cycle 
> of formatting, you have correctly placed a calculated textbox having 
> [Pages] as a component of its expression.
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, should get you the 
> desired results. Title is the name of control in detail section, whose 
> first & last values are required to be displayed in page header & footer.
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
> Sample code in report's module
> '=================================
> ' Declarations section
> ' Report level global array variable
> Private ArLastVal() As String
> '--------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
>
>    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>        ArLastVal([Page]) = Me.Title
>        ReDim Preserve ArLastVal([Page] + 1)
>    End If
> End Sub
> '--------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtHeaderLast = ArLastVal([Page])
> End Sub
> '--------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub Report_Open(Cancel As Integer)
>    ReDim Preserve ArLastVal(1)
> End Sub
> '=================================
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 01:21
>  Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I have four unbound text controls -- two in the header and two in the
>  footer -- to display the first and last items on each page.
>
>  I've got three of them working as follows:
>
>  I use the control's Control Source property to display the first item in 
> the
>  header and the last item in the footer. I use the following to update the
>  footer's first item.
>
>  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As
>  Integer)
>    'Store first item on page for footer.
>    Dim strFirst As String
>    strFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
>    Me.txtFooterFirst = strFirst
>  End Sub
>
>  I tried the following to update the header's last item, but it doesn't 
> work:
>
>  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As
>  Integer)
>    'Return last item on each page for header.
>    Dim strLast As String
>    strLast = Me.txtFooterLast
>    Me.txtHeaderLast = strLast
>  End Sub
>
>  The first page displays nothing and all subsequent pages display the last
>  item from the previous page, not the current page.
>
>  How do I grab the last item on the current page?
>
>  Susan H.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov  7 09:22:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:22:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
Message-ID: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I got my action pack the other day and now want to install Office 2007, just
for testing, but I do want to install Office Accounting 2007 (and actually
try to use it) and am wondering if anyone is shouting "don't go there".  My
intention is to leave Office 2003 installed for development. Does anyone
have experience that would tell me not to do this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov  7 10:00:56 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 08:00:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
In-Reply-To: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703C74@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

DON'T DO THAT!!  Is that loud enough?  I installed 2007 on my laptop and
came to regret it.  Office 2003 and Office 2007 installers do NOT like
each other, and the Office 2007 installer takes about 5 minutes to run
when you've opened 2003 last.  The 2003 installer does the same thing if
you opened 2007 last, but at least it doesn't take so long.  Outlook
2007 is OK and the least like the rest of Office 2007 insofar as menus,
etc.  If you want to install it, do it on a virtual PC, which I didn't
do from lack of warning.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007

I got my action pack the other day and now want to install Office 2007,
just for testing, but I do want to install Office Accounting 2007 (and
actually try to use it) and am wondering if anyone is shouting "don't go
there".  My intention is to leave Office 2003 installed for development.
Does anyone have experience that would tell me not to do this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 10:01:21 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 10:01:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
In-Reply-To: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711070801n78e865c9g765f2cbaed5318d8@mail.gmail.com>

Yes. Put it on a different system would be my recommendation. They
don't play well together. Outlook will definately not work in multiple
versions on the same system. The other Office 2007 apps will cause a
"install" step every time you try to open something in the 2003
version. If you have another system to play with the Office 2007 stuff
on I would load them there instead of on your primary system.

GK

On 11/7/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got my action pack the other day and now want to install Office 2007, just
> for testing, but I do want to install Office Accounting 2007 (and actually
> try to use it) and am wondering if anyone is shouting "don't go there".  My
> intention is to leave Office 2003 installed for development. Does anyone
> have experience that would tell me not to do this?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>


-- 
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garykjos at gmail.com


From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 10:19:28 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:19:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
References: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703C74@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <003801c82159$f9e7e7b0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Yep.
Every time I try to instantiate a new database in code,
it says "Can't create object" because of the installer.
My COM addins won't work the first time!
Arrgh!!!

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007


> DON'T DO THAT!!  Is that loud enough?  I installed 2007 on my laptop and
> came to regret it.  Office 2003 and Office 2007 installers do NOT like
> each other, and the Office 2007 installer takes about 5 minutes to run
> when you've opened 2003 last.  The 2003 installer does the same thing if
> you opened 2007 last, but at least it doesn't take so long.  Outlook
> 2007 is OK and the least like the rest of Office 2007 insofar as menus,
> etc.  If you want to install it, do it on a virtual PC, which I didn't
> do from lack of warning.
>
> Charlotte Foust



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov  7 10:23:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 11:23:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2007
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711070801n78e865c9g765f2cbaed5318d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004701c82151$f8d86d20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711070801n78e865c9g765f2cbaed5318d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004801c8215a$90f94e50$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Thanks Gary and Charlotte,

Two votes against is enough for me.  I do have a server I can throw it on
and will do that. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Office 2007

Yes. Put it on a different system would be my recommendation. They don't
play well together. Outlook will definately not work in multiple versions on
the same system. The other Office 2007 apps will cause a "install" step
every time you try to open something in the 2003 version. If you have
another system to play with the Office 2007 stuff on I would load them there
instead of on your primary system.

GK

On 11/7/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I got my action pack the other day and now want to install Office 
> 2007, just for testing, but I do want to install Office Accounting 
> 2007 (and actually try to use it) and am wondering if anyone is 
> shouting "don't go there".  My intention is to leave Office 2003 
> installed for development. Does anyone have experience that would tell me
not to do this?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
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>


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From BarbaraRyan at cox.net  Wed Nov  7 11:50:13 2007
From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net (Barbara Ryan)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:50:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report
Message-ID: <044e01c82166$a64ec4e0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>

I have created a crosstab report which contains 14 columns of data.  If the underlying crosstab query yields more than 14 columns, I want to add a new page to display the remaining columns.  The data on the report is populated via code using a recordset based on the crosstab query. 

I am currently reading through the recordset and populating 14 columns of data, then doing a page break, an "rs.Movefirst", then reading thru the recordset extracting data beginning in the 15th column.   However, the Detail Format and Print events do not fire.

What am I missing?

Thanks,
Barb Ryan

From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov  7 13:43:44 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 19:43:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report
In-Reply-To: <044e01c82166$a64ec4e0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>
References: <044e01c82166$a64ec4e0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W16BD5B07CBCD842A8D4C11D28A0@phx.gbl>


Hi Barb,

It sounds like your 15th column is the same record as your first 14...can you put a page break in the middle of a record?

Could you move your 15th(or more) columns off the page to the right...forcing a new page when printed or viewed?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

> From: BarbaraRyan at cox.net
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 12:50:13 -0500
> Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report
>
> I have created a crosstab report which contains 14 columns of data. If the underlying crosstab query yields more than 14 columns, I want to add a new page to display the remaining columns. The data on the report is populated via code using a recordset based on the crosstab query.
>
> I am currently reading through the recordset and populating 14 columns of data, then doing a page break, an "rs.Movefirst", then reading thru the recordset extracting data beginning in the 15th column. However, the Detail Format and Print events do not fire.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thanks,
> Barb Ryan
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Nov  7 14:32:20 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:32:20 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322035B523C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a form on which the user clicks a button to see 90 days worth of
data from a source table. When the button is clicked a query runs that
puts 90 days worth of data in a table. Another form then opens and
displays this data. On the top of the form are two text boxes. One text
box contains the start date of the data and the other the end date of
the data. These boxes can be edited allowing the user to see some time
interval of data other than 90 days. When the date is changed in the
text box code attempts to run a query to update the table the displayed
data is based on. The query will not run though because the table is
open. I could use some ideas on how to do this. Thanks.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 15:02:02 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:02:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322035B523C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322035B523C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711071302w209588acu7f7c838e32004fdd@mail.gmail.com>

Instead of running a query to update the table, change the recordsource of
the form and/or its filterBy. I have used this approach several times and it
works very well.

A.

On 11/7/07, Kaup, Chester <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:
>
> I have a form on which the user clicks a button to see 90 days worth of
> data from a source table. When the button is clicked a query runs that
> puts 90 days worth of data in a table. Another form then opens and
> displays this data. On the top of the form are two text boxes. One text
> box contains the start date of the data and the other the end date of
> the data. These boxes can be edited allowing the user to see some time
> interval of data other than 90 days. When the date is changed in the
> text box code attempts to run a query to update the table the displayed
> data is based on. The query will not run though because the table is
> open. I could use some ideas on how to do this. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Chester Kaup
>
> Engineering Technician
>
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
> Office (432) 688-3797
>
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
>
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Nov  7 15:03:05 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:03:05 -0500 
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED730F@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Chester,

Instead of copying the data from the source table to another table, just use
the source table itself and apply a filter to the form so only the selected
time period is displayed.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?


I have a form on which the user clicks a button to see 90 days worth of data
from a source table. When the button is clicked a query runs that puts 90
days worth of data in a table. Another form then opens and displays this
data. On the top of the form are two text boxes. One text box contains the
start date of the data and the other the end date of the data. These boxes
can be edited allowing the user to see some time interval of data other than
90 days. When the date is changed in the text box code attempts to run a
query to update the table the displayed data is based on. The query will not
run though because the table is open. I could use some ideas on how to do
this. Thanks.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From jengross at gte.net  Wed Nov  7 15:38:51 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:38:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers
In-Reply-To: <000601c81ee5$0dd472b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002101c82186$9bbbf5a0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Rocky,

I have used the Wise/SageKey combination since Access 97.  I have always
been more than happy with this combination.  I would be interested to
find out if you find a reason to switch.

Jennifer

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 5:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Packagers/Installers


Dear List:
 
I use the Wise/Sagekey combination to package a couple of commercial
applications.  Always found it to be top notch.
 
Does anyone have experience with other packagers, good or bad,
particularly Windows Installer?
 
Thanks in advance
 
Rocky
 
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Nov  7 16:42:10 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 16:42:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED730F@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED730F@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322035B5383@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

This is my experience using the filter property in code. It works great.
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:03 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] How to update form source?

Chester,

Instead of copying the data from the source table to another table, just
use
the source table itself and apply a filter to the form so only the
selected
time period is displayed.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] How to update form source?


I have a form on which the user clicks a button to see 90 days worth of
data
from a source table. When the button is clicked a query runs that puts
90
days worth of data in a table. Another form then opens and displays this
data. On the top of the form are two text boxes. One text box contains
the
start date of the data and the other the end date of the data. These
boxes
can be edited allowing the user to see some time interval of data other
than
90 days. When the date is changed in the text box code attempts to run a
query to update the table the displayed data is based on. The query will
not
run though because the table is open. I could use some ideas on how to
do
this. Thanks.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov  7 23:12:09 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 10:42:09 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report
References: <044e01c82166$a64ec4e0$0a00a8c0@PCRURI35>
Message-ID: <013e01c821c6$126306a0$0100007f@personalec1122>

Barb,

    You can try the following:

    1 - Place adequate number of extra unbound text boxes so as to cover maximum likely columns over and above 14. These text boxes should normally be in a hidden state and can all be overlapping, located at left edge of the report.

    2 - Depending upon the actual number of extra columns (beyond 14) in the record source, unhide the required number of text boxes, assign appropriate control source and move these to suitable positions at right of report, by manipulating the Left & Top properties. Starting reference would be Left value for last text box (representing 14th column) + Width of this text box + suitable margin (in twips).

    With above measures, the report will generate extra pages as required on account of additional columns.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Barbara Ryan 
  To: Access List 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 23:20
  Subject: [AccessD] Crosstab Report


  I have created a crosstab report which contains 14 columns of data.  If the underlying crosstab query yields more than 14 columns, I want to add a new page to display the remaining columns.  The data on the report is populated via code using a recordset based on the crosstab query. 

  I am currently reading through the recordset and populating 14 columns of data, then doing a page break, an "rs.Movefirst", then reading thru the recordset extracting data beginning in the 15th column.   However, the Detail Format and Print events do not fire.

  What am I missing?

  Thanks,
  Barb Ryan

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  8 05:09:47 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 12:09:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos
Message-ID: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>

Hi all

For those of still wondering if or how to start with Visual Studio, please note that a whole series of videos are readily available.

Visual Basic (quite close to VBA):
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/bb466226.aspx 

C# (recommended by several including me):
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022.aspx 

and many others subjects - including SQL Server - as well, see the right sidebar.

These videos are so short that you can keep your concentration up and turn any 15 minutes of spare time you may encounter into something useful!

/gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  8 05:24:44 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 06:24:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos
In-Reply-To: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>
References: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000901c821f9$f7377800$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Gustav,

Thanks for those pointers. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 6:10 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos

Hi all

For those of still wondering if or how to start with Visual Studio, please
note that a whole series of videos are readily available.

Visual Basic (quite close to VBA):
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/bb466226.aspx 

C# (recommended by several including me):
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022.aspx 

and many others subjects - including SQL Server - as well, see the right
sidebar.

These videos are so short that you can keep your concentration up and turn
any 15 minutes of spare time you may encounter into something useful!

/gustav


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Nov  8 08:53:57 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 08:53:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>
References: <s72e5c3f.047@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFBE@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


That was weird. Is the cat's name d?j? vu?
Jim Hale 

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Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  8 09:09:34 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:09:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s73334db.034@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

No, "it" is normally called (blush) Gustav ...

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 08-11-2007 15:53:57 >>>

That was weird. Is the cat's name d?j? vu?
Jim Hale 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 09:24:35 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:24:35 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
In-Reply-To: <s73334db.034@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <01bc01c8221b$790b6370$8119fea9@LTVM>

Now, that is weird 'cos my dog is called.....wait for it....Max

Max

Mine looks like me....Does yours look like you?
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Hi Jim

No, "it" is normally called (blush) Gustav ...

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 08-11-2007 15:53:57 >>>

That was weird. Is the cat's name d?j? vu?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov  8 09:37:46 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:37:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Svar:  highest value of 4 variables - urgent
Message-ID: <s7333b6d.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Some say yes, I'm not sure, but the miauw sounds the same!

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 08-11-2007 16:24:35 >>>
Now, that is weird 'cos my dog is called.....wait for it....Max

Max

Mine looks like me....Does yours look like you?
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:10 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Hi Jim

No, "it" is normally called (blush) Gustav ...

/gustav

>>> Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com 08-11-2007 15:53:57 >>>

That was weird. Is the cat's name d?j? vu?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 4:56 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Svar: highest value of 4 variables - urgent

Sorry for the empty posts, the cat stepped on the Enter key ...

/gustav





From miscellany at mvps.org  Thu Nov  8 14:50:25 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:50:25 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos
In-Reply-To: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>
References: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <47337691.6040904@mvps.org>

Yep, 15 minutes is about my maximum concentration span too. :-)

Thanks a lot, Gustav, they look like a very good resource.

Regards
Steve

Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
> 
> For those of still wondering if or how to start with Visual Studio, please note that a whole series of videos are readily available.
> 
> Visual Basic (quite close to VBA):
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/bb466226.aspx 
> 
> C# (recommended by several including me):
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022.aspx 
> 
> and many others subjects - including SQL Server - as well, see the right sidebar.
> 
> These videos are so short that you can keep your concentration up and turn any 15 minutes of spare time you may encounter into something useful!
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 


From Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Nov  8 14:56:30 2007
From: Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:56:30 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos
In-Reply-To: <47337691.6040904@mvps.org>
References: <s732fca3.031@cactus.dk>,<47337691.6040904@mvps.org>
Message-ID: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B310814213D5F@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Been on a .NET Sharepoint course all week. Feels like my head is melting!!

Martin


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________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel [miscellany at mvps.org]
Sent: 08 November 2007 20:50
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start? Videos

Yep, 15 minutes is about my maximum concentration span too. :-)

Thanks a lot, Gustav, they look like a very good resource.

Regards
Steve

Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi all
>
> For those of still wondering if or how to start with Visual Studio, please note that a whole series of videos are readily available.
>
> Visual Basic (quite close to VBA):
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vbasic/bb466226.aspx
>
> C# (recommended by several including me):
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022.aspx
>
> and many others subjects - including SQL Server - as well, see the right sidebar.
>
> These videos are so short that you can keep your concentration up and turn any 15 minutes of spare time you may encounter into something useful!
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov  8 16:32:14 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 14:32:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
Message-ID: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  8 17:14:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 18:14:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000401c8225d$23c64b40$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I am running out the door but I will discuss JIT subforms when I get home
from dinner / theater. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Nov  8 17:37:12 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:37:12 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE (((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject = "sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client: " &
Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " & Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client: " &
Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " & Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach
Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Nov  8 18:03:46 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 19:03:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000801c82264$00674120$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

Rocky
...JC's JIT code was the first thing I bought when I was starting out in 
Access ...he was still living in Pueblo, Mexico back then ...we had many an 
AccessD discussion about which was the best way to do this ...anyway, he 
used to keep a copy on his website (which is stll a disaster area) but I 
can't find it now ...so I zipped a code library copy I have of his code, an 
A2k3 version, and sent it to you offline.
William
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:32 PM
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms


> JC:
>
> I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
> sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
> unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
> wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
>
> I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
> loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
> combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until 
> they're
> clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - 
> store
> the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
> activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but 
> I'm
> not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
> sub-forms.
>
> How did you solve the problem?
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov  8 19:19:00 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 17:19:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE (((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1)
AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov  8 21:35:48 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:35:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90>

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE (((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1)
AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
T: 1300 301 731
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov  8 22:40:09 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 20:40:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and subforms to
JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The reocrdsource for
the main form is retrieving all the records and the navigation buttons are
at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the client if users would really
use those buttons to move from one record to another.  I'm thinking not.  In
which case  retrieving one record might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE (((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1)
AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?  The
combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until they're
clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated - store
the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But there's no
activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move event but I'm
not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source and the
sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Fri Nov  9 01:49:16 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:19:16 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122> <003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>

    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution as an alternative.

    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are contributing to the problem:

    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections. Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, it becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.

    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly using Page Header for this purpose.

    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).

    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

Code in report's module
'==================================
' Declarations section
Private col As New Collection
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    
    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
    
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
    End If
    
    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
    '                collection, Value property of the control
    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
    '                it will become a collection of control
    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
    '                leading to weird results.
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Report_Close()
    Set col = Nothing
End Sub
'==================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have you 
  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?

  Susan H.

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 06:11:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:11:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001801c822c9$a3fc7020$6c7aa8c0@M90>

And in the end that is what I had to do, retrieve only one record.  That is
the superior solution for any large table. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 11:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and subforms to
JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The reocrdsource for
the main form is retrieving all the records and the navigation buttons are
at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the client if users would really
use those buttons to move from one record to another.  I'm thinking not.  In
which case  retrieving one record might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 06:16:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:16:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
In-Reply-To: <004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <001901c822ca$4bd900b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

A.D.

An array can store a control just as easily.  And yes, you need to be aware
of what you are storing, since if you store a control a number of things can
occur that can be confusing.  For example, if you store a control, the value
of the control can change between when you stored that control and when you
use it, and in fact can continue to change as long as the collection is
stored.  OTOH, if you store the control's VALUE then that value is captured
in time, and while the control may continue to change, it's value back when
it was stored will still be available.  It really depends on what you need
to do, but you definitely need to keep this in mind.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:49 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page

    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based
solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution as
an alternative.

    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out
collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea
what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are
contributing to the problem:

    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections.
Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to
what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, it
becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of
control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.

    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last
record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly using
Page Header for this purpose.

    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to
txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report
execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next page.
This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last values in
forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making such an
assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, building
up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).

    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection
based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast,
TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is
the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are
required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can
substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

Code in report's module
'==================================
' Declarations section
Private col As New Collection
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    
    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
    
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
    End If
    
    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
    '                collection, Value property of the control
    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
    '                it will become a collection of control
    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
    '                leading to weird results.
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page)) End Sub
'---------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Report_Close()
    Set col = Nothing
End Sub
'==================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Susan Harkins
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have
you
  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?

  Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 07:55:52 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:55:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <009601c822d8$c937b250$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Thanks -- I'll see if anything here resolves this.

I'm interested in a collection because I think, it is an easier solution for 
the average user. Arrays can be difficult for the average user to apply to 
their own work. A collection, used in this manner, won't require any special 
attention from the user.

Of course, if I can't get it to work, how much easier can it be????????? ;)

Susan H.



>    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based 
> solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution 
> as an alternative.
>
>    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out 
> collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea 
> what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are 
> contributing to the problem:
>
>    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections. 
> Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to 
> what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, 
> it becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of 
> control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.
>
>    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last 
> record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
> using Page Header for this purpose.
>
>    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to 
> txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report 
> execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
> page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last 
> values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making 
> such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
> building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection 
> based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, 
> TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is 
> the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are 
> required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can 
> substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
> Code in report's module
> '==================================
> ' Declarations section
> Private col As New Collection
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>
>    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
>
>    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
>    End If
>
>    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
>    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
>    '                collection, Value property of the control
>    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
>    '                it will become a collection of control
>    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
>    '                leading to weird results.
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub Report_Close()
>    Set col = Nothing
> End Sub
> '==================================
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have 
> you
>  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?
>
>  Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 07:59:41 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:59:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
	<001901c822ca$4bd900b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009701c822d8$ca3dfec0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I'm storing the value and the page number, and both are correct and in 
synch. The value that the text box is actually the last item from the 
previous page, not the current page, so there seems to be some discrepancy 
between page number and value between the time those values are retrieved 
and the time the code actually displays the value. The values are correct, 
they're just being applied incorrectly. A.D.'s comment about using the wrong 
events might be the answer I need.

Susan H.

> A.D.
>
> An array can store a control just as easily.  And yes, you need to be 
> aware
> of what you are storing, since if you store a control a number of things 
> can
> occur that can be confusing.  For example, if you store a control, the 
> value
> of the control can change between when you stored that control and when 
> you
> use it, and in fact can continue to change as long as the collection is
> stored.  OTOH, if you store the control's VALUE then that value is 
> captured
> in time, and while the control may continue to change, it's value back 
> when
> it was stored will still be available.  It really depends on what you need
> to do, but you definitely need to keep this in mind.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:49 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based
> solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution 
> as
> an alternative.
>
>    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out
> collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea
> what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are
> contributing to the problem:
>
>    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections.
> Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to
> what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, 
> it
> becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of
> control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.
>
>    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last
> record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
> using
> Page Header for this purpose.
>
>    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to
> txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report
> execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
> page.
> This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last values in
> forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making such an
> assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
> building
> up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection
> based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast,
> TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is
> the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are
> required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can
> substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
> Code in report's module
> '==================================
> ' Declarations section
> Private col As New Collection
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>
>    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
>
>    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
>    End If
>
>    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
>    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
>    '                collection, Value property of the control
>    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
>    '                it will become a collection of control
>    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
>    '                leading to weird results.
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page)) End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub Report_Close()
>    Set col = Nothing
> End Sub
> '==================================
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have
> you
>  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?
>
>  Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 08:56:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:56:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <002b01c822e0$ae5fc5f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

A.D., you are a genius -- you are right, I had the code right, just 
executing it in reverse!

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel As Integer, PrintCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
End Sub

Private Sub Report_Close()
  Set col = Nothing
End Sub

It's working perfectly now -- thank you A.D. I was going to rearrange things 
this morning, after sleeping on the problem last night, but your message 
helped a lot. I would've been working purely on speculation and you gave me 
a map. ;)

Now, I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but I think this is much 
simpler than the more common array solution.

Susan H.

>    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last 
> record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
> using Page Header for this purpose.
>
>    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to 
> txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report 
> execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
> page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last 
> values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making 
> such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
> building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection 
> based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, 
> TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is 
> the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are 
> required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can 
> substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
>
> A.D.Tejpal



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 09:36:45 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:36:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Small correction to the previous code I posted -- I had to move the 
Me.txtFooterFirst statement back to the PageHeaderSection event.

Susan H.

Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
Integer)
  'Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
  If Me.Pages = 0 Then
    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)
  End If
End Sub

Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel As Integer, PrintCount As 
Integer)
  Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
  Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
End Sub

Private Sub Report_Close()
  Set col = Nothing
End Sub



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A.D.TEJPAL" <adtp at airtelbroadband.in>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Cc: "A.D.TEJPAL" <adtejpal at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


>    You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based 
> solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution 
> as an alternative.
>
>    In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out 
> collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea 
> what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are 
> contributing to the problem:
>
>    1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections. 
> Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to 
> what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, 
> it becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of 
> control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.
>
>    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last 
> record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
> using Page Header for this purpose.
>
>    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to 
> txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report 
> execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
> page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last 
> values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making 
> such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
> building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
>
>    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection 
> based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, 
> TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is 
> the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are 
> required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can 
> substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
> Code in report's module
> '==================================
> ' Declarations section
> Private col As New Collection
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>
>    Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
>
>    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
>        col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
>    End If
>
>    ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
>    '                In statement (A), while adding items to
>    '                collection, Value property of the control
>    '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
>    '                it will become a collection of control
>    '                objects (not the contents as intended),
>    '                leading to weird results.
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
>                    As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
>    Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
>                        As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
>    Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
> End Sub
> '---------------------------------------------------
>
> Private Sub Report_Close()
>    Set col = Nothing
> End Sub
> '==================================
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have 
> you
>  seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?
>
>  Susan H.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov  9 09:45:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 07:45:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
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Rocky,

If you bind just subforms, not the main form, you solve that problem.
Basically, all you need in the main form is the fields to link to,
although, they don't have to be in bound controls, so you could populate
them from code for each tab.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and
subforms to JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The
reocrdsource for the main form is retrieving all the records and the
navigation buttons are at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the
client if users would really use those buttons to move from one record
to another.  I'm thinking not.  In which case  retrieving one record
might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I
leave them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos
on the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be
a problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need
more than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can
do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case
for each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and
easy to manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE
(((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for
the clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General
Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over
a wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?
The combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until
they're clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was
activated - store the row source in the tag and load it if it's not
there.  But there's no activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is
a mouse move event but I'm not sure that will do  to trigger loading of
the Row Source and the sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 10:10:25 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:10:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Charlotte,

I don't understand what you are saying here.  What problem are you solving?

Binding the subforms before they are actually viewed causes the form to slow
down as it loads all of the subforms and their respective controls, even
though the user may in fact never visit the subforms (that tab).  

So leave the subform controls with no source object (form name) until the
tab is clicked on (JIT subforms).
Now in the query for the main form just specify a filter for the PKID of the
parent object, claimID if the form displays claims,  CustomerID if the form
displays customers etc.

By feeding the query one specific PKID it will pull only that one record for
the main form.  The subforms on the tabs do not load until the tab is
clicked.  That is about as fast as you are going to get to actually load the
form and its data.

So what are you saying?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Rocky,

If you bind just subforms, not the main form, you solve that problem.
Basically, all you need in the main form is the fields to link to, although,
they don't have to be in bound controls, so you could populate them from
code for each tab.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and subforms to
JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The reocrdsource for
the main form is retrieving all the records and the navigation buttons are
at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the client if users would really
use those buttons to move from one record to another.  I'm thinking not.  In
which case  retrieving one record might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can
do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE
(((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?
The combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until
they're clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated
- store the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But
there's no activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move
event but I'm not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source
and the sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov  9 11:34:46 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:34:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
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I'm not suggesting binding subforms until they're loaded, John.  I don't
do that either.  I'm saying you don't need a full dataset behind the
parent form if all your subforms are going to be bound WHEN THEY'RE
LOADED.  You can get by with a snapshot of the key fields at most.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Charlotte,

I don't understand what you are saying here.  What problem are you
solving?

Binding the subforms before they are actually viewed causes the form to
slow down as it loads all of the subforms and their respective controls,
even though the user may in fact never visit the subforms (that tab).  

So leave the subform controls with no source object (form name) until
the tab is clicked on (JIT subforms).
Now in the query for the main form just specify a filter for the PKID of
the parent object, claimID if the form displays claims,  CustomerID if
the form displays customers etc.

By feeding the query one specific PKID it will pull only that one record
for the main form.  The subforms on the tabs do not load until the tab
is clicked.  That is about as fast as you are going to get to actually
load the form and its data.

So what are you saying?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Rocky,

If you bind just subforms, not the main form, you solve that problem.
Basically, all you need in the main form is the fields to link to,
although, they don't have to be in bound controls, so you could populate
them from code for each tab.

Charlotte Foust 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and
subforms to JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The
reocrdsource for the main form is retrieving all the records and the
navigation buttons are at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the
client if users would really use those buttons to move from one record
to another.  I'm thinking not.  In which case  retrieving one record
might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I
leave them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos
on the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be
a problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need
more than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can
do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case
for each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and
easy to manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE
(((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for
the clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General
Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over
a wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?
The combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until
they're clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was
activated
- store the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But
there's no activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move
event but I'm not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row
Source and the sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov  9 11:56:16 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 09:56:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CDC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90>
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Message-ID: <003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm not suggesting binding subforms until they're loaded, John.  I don't do
that either.  I'm saying you don't need a full dataset behind the parent
form if all your subforms are going to be bound WHEN THEY'RE LOADED.  You
can get by with a snapshot of the key fields at most.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Charlotte,

I don't understand what you are saying here.  What problem are you solving?

Binding the subforms before they are actually viewed causes the form to slow
down as it loads all of the subforms and their respective controls, even
though the user may in fact never visit the subforms (that tab).  

So leave the subform controls with no source object (form name) until the
tab is clicked on (JIT subforms).
Now in the query for the main form just specify a filter for the PKID of the
parent object, claimID if the form displays claims,  CustomerID if the form
displays customers etc.

By feeding the query one specific PKID it will pull only that one record for
the main form.  The subforms on the tabs do not load until the tab is
clicked.  That is about as fast as you are going to get to actually load the
form and its data.

So what are you saying?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Rocky,

If you bind just subforms, not the main form, you solve that problem.
Basically, all you need in the main form is the fields to link to, although,
they don't have to be in bound controls, so you could populate them from
code for each tab.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I'm good to go.  Thanks.  However, converting all the combos and subforms to
JIT still did not yield an acceptable opening time.  The reocrdsource for
the main form is retrieving all the records and the navigation buttons are
at the bottom of the form.  I have asked the client if users would really
use those buttons to move from one record to another.  I'm thinking not.  In
which case  retrieving one record might be the hot ticket.

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

And that is really about all there is to it.  Except...

You need to be careful about the Link Master / child properties.  I leave
them set and just change the source object IIRC.

Beyond that you need to make the decision whether to leave the subforms
bound or unbind them as the user clicks off the tab.  And no I don't do
anything about loading the combos specifically.  Since only the combos on
the specific subforms loading are at issue, this will not tend to be a
problem.

Since everyone else jumped in with info I will let you ask if you need more
than that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Aha. That's what I was looking for. Change event.  Too bad there isn't a
GotFocus or Activate event for each page.  But this will work.   I can
do a
Select Case on the page and load the controls for that page in the case for
each tab.  That will work!

Thanks

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Hi Rocky

Not so sure about JC's cool JIT logic

But there is an OnChange event for Tabs - Way cool very powerful and easy to
manipulate

See below for some Code snips below I am using for a 10 Tab Form

Now it is a snip so some of it may not work correctly etc
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Private Sub tabMain_Change()

On Err GoTo Err_tabMain_Change

Dim intClientID As Integer

intClientID = Me.tabMain

Dim tbc As Control
Dim pg As Page
Dim ctl As Control

Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim selSQL As String
Dim rs As DAO.Recordset

Set tbc = Me!tabMain
Set pg = tbc.Pages(tbc.Value) 'Current page

Set db = CurrentDb
selSQL = "SELECT tblClients.ClientID, tblClients.ClientName,
tblClients.DatabaseName, tblClients.ClientAbbrev, tblClients.IsCurrent,
tblClients.IsNowDeleted FROM tblClients WHERE
(((tblClients.IsCurrent)=-1) AND
((tblClients.IsNowDeleted) Is Null Or (tblClients.IsNowDeleted)=0));"

Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(selSQL)

'reset things to true or false if true may exist for more thant 1 tab

If pg.Name = "pgOptions" Then ' Option Page - Don't show everything for the
clients - Show the setup options only
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmBeastOptions"
            Forms!xfrmBeast!subfrmLocalOptions.SourceObject =
"sub_frmLocalOptions"

            Me.subfrmMain.Visible = False
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = True
            Me.subfrmNotes.Visible = False
            Me.subfrmContacts.Visible = False
            Me.tabSupport.Visible = False
            
            'Determine what controls get seen or used
	For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = False
                End If
            Next
        
	ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "Active" Then
        
        ElseIf Me("pg" & Me.tabMain).Caption = "SomeText" Then
            Me.cmdBFM.Enabled = False
        Else
   
            For Each ctl In Me.Controls
                 If ctl.Tag <> "" Then
                    ctl.Enabled = True
                End If
            Next
            
            Me.tabOptions.Visible = False
            
        End If

Me.subfrmMain.Requery
Me.subfrmNotes.Requery
Me.subfrmContacts.Requery

Me.txtClientID = Forms!xfrmBeast.tabMain

txtInvoiceSearch = ""
txtAccountNo = ""

If intClientID = 0 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "General Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "General Notes"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Options and Settings"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Active Contacts"
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Active Info"
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Details about...us"
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = False
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = False
ElseIf intClientID = 2 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
ElseIf intClientID > 1 Then
    Me.subfrmContacts.Form.lblAdviceContacts.Caption = "Contacts for
Client:
" & Me("pg" & intClientID).Caption
    Me.subfrmNotes.Form.lblAdviceNotes.Caption = "Notes For Client: " &
Me("pg"
& intClientID).Caption
    Me.lblMain.Caption = "Bureau Details for: " & Me("pg" &
intClientID).Caption
    txtInvoiceSearch.Enabled = True
    txtAccountNo.Enabled = True
End If

rs.Close
db.Close

Set rs = Nothing
Set db = Nothing

Exit_tabMain_Change:
Exit Sub

Err_tabMain_Change:

MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in tbMain
Change"
Resume Exit_tabMain_Change

End Sub
































Many thanks
 
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 9 November 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms

JC:
 
I have a form with about 16 tabs, a bunch of combo boxes, and a bunch of
sub-forms.  It will not surprise you to learn that it is taking an
unacceptably long time to open - 60 seconds on a smallish database over a
wireless connection to my laptop (trying to simulate a slow server).
 
I remember something about a form like this that you had and, I believe,
loading the combo boxes and sub forms only when a tab got the focus?
The combo boxes are bound so I can't wait to put in the row source until
they're clicked.  But I could load the row source when the tab was activated
- store the row source in the tag and load it if it's not there.  But
there's no activate or got focus event for a tab.  There is a mouse move
event but I'm not sure that will do  to trigger loading of the Row Source
and the sub-forms. 
 
How did you solve the problem?

Regards,
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 12:15:41 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 13:15:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CDC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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I think so.  What I do is set one of my 

fltr "ClientID", someClientID

and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the source
query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single record.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

Rocky



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov  9 12:36:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:36:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <002d01c822fc$8a618910$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CDC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002d01c822fc$8a618910$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

So then you can't be opening the form with the record source set, yes?
Because it's likely to execute before you put the filter in the filter in
the ClientID field. So are you setting the Record Source after putting the
filter into ClientID?

And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record Source in the
open (or maybe load?) event and adding the WHERE clause based on the record
ID that you want to fetch?

Rocky



 	
	

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Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I think so.  What I do is set one of my 

fltr "ClientID", someClientID

and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the source
query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single record.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

Rocky

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov  9 12:48:00 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 18:48:00 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <01fd01c82301$10c95ab0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>

What you might want to do Rocky is set the form's recordsource to something
wich returns no records, eg WHERE Keyfield=-1. Then you can manipulate the
Recordsource when you want to select  record or move back and forth, knowing
that initially you'll get no records.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 09 November 2007 18:36
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> 
> So then you can't be opening the form with the record source 
> set, yes? Because it's likely to execute before you put the 
> filter in the filter in the ClientID field. So are you 
> setting the Record Source after putting the filter into ClientID?
> 
> And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record 
> Source in the open (or maybe load?) event and adding the 
> WHERE clause based on the record ID that you want to fetch?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> I think so.  What I do is set one of my 
> 
> fltr "ClientID", someClientID
> 
> and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) 
> of the source query for the form to cause the form to filter 
> down to a single record.
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not 
> in subforms but scattered throughout the multiple tabs.
> 
> I think we're going for the one record or very few records  
> approach by modifying the Record Source on the fly rather 
> than using form filters as it is now.  Hopefully that reduces 
> what's coming over the wire.
> 
> Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do 
> all the records come over anyway and access just makes the 
> filtered subset available to the form?
> 
> Rocky
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov  9 12:54:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:54:13 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <01fd01c82301$10c95ab0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
References: <005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<01fd01c82301$10c95ab0$cefa033e@minster33c3r25>
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Capital idea!

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

What you might want to do Rocky is set the form's recordsource to something
wich returns no records, eg WHERE Keyfield=-1. Then you can manipulate the
Recordsource when you want to select  record or move back and forth, knowing
that initially you'll get no records.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 09 November 2007 18:36
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> 
> So then you can't be opening the form with the record source set, yes? 
> Because it's likely to execute before you put the filter in the filter 
> in the ClientID field. So are you setting the Record Source after 
> putting the filter into ClientID?
> 
> And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record Source 
> in the open (or maybe load?) event and adding the WHERE clause based 
> on the record ID that you want to fetch?
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> I think so.  What I do is set one of my
> 
> fltr "ClientID", someClientID
> 
> and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the 
> source query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single 
> record.
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms
> 
> Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in 
> subforms but scattered throughout the multiple tabs.
> 
> I think we're going for the one record or very few records approach by 
> modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters 
> as it is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.
> 
> Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the 
> records come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset 
> available to the form?
> 
> Rocky
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 14:09:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 15:09:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CDC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002d01c822fc$8a618910$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003201c8230c$6dfd0fa0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Nope, the code that opens the form sets the filter, then opens the form.  In
this kind of situation you will always be selecting some item (claim, person
etc) so the code that selects that person then sets the filter and opens the
form.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

So then you can't be opening the form with the record source set, yes?
Because it's likely to execute before you put the filter in the filter in
the ClientID field. So are you setting the Record Source after putting the
filter into ClientID?

And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record Source in the
open (or maybe load?) event and adding the WHERE clause based on the record
ID that you want to fetch?

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I think so.  What I do is set one of my 

fltr "ClientID", someClientID

and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the source
query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single record.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

Rocky

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Nov  9 14:47:37 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 14:47:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <003201c8230c$6dfd0fa0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CDC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002d01c822fc$8a618910$6c7aa8c0@M90><005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<003201c8230c$6dfd0fa0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003401c82311$c33f4960$0200a8c0@danwaters>

John - I've been briefly following this thread.  Is this being done with an
Access BE or with a SQL Server BE?

If Access, how much improvement did you see?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Nope, the code that opens the form sets the filter, then opens the form.  In
this kind of situation you will always be selecting some item (claim, person
etc) so the code that selects that person then sets the filter and opens the
form.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:36 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

So then you can't be opening the form with the record source set, yes?
Because it's likely to execute before you put the filter in the filter in
the ClientID field. So are you setting the Record Source after putting the
filter into ClientID?

And, if so, what's the advantage of just modifying the Record Source in the
open (or maybe load?) event and adding the WHERE clause based on the record
ID that you want to fetch?

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

I think so.  What I do is set one of my 

fltr "ClientID", someClientID

and then place fltr("ClientID") in the ClientID field (where) of the source
query for the form to cause the form to filter down to a single record.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 12:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

Unfortunately, in my case.  MOST of the bound fields are not in subforms but
scattered throughout the multiple tabs.

I think we're going for the one record or very few records  approach by
modifying the Record Source on the fly rather than using form filters as it
is now.  Hopefully that reduces what's coming over the wire.

Brings up another question - if a filter is set on Open, do all the records
come over anyway and access just makes the filtered subset available to the
form?

Rocky

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov  9 15:13:18 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 16:13:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] JIT Forms
In-Reply-To: <003401c82311$c33f4960$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <00a901c82257$3656b390$0301a8c0@HAL9005><200711082337.lA8Nb536031641@databaseadvisors.com><00c901c8226e$82232f30$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000801c82281$9f58ed70$6c7aa8c0@M90><00f801c8228a$9c178f00$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CCD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002601c822eb$09fbe060$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703CDC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><003c01c822f9$d36c9990$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002d01c822fc$8a618910$6c7aa8c0@M90><005001c822ff$6ad92640$0301a8c0@HAL9005><003201c8230c$6dfd0fa0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
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Dan,

In fact the data store is not the issue, although in my experience an Access
data store is often faster than a SQL Server data store.  It really doesn't
matter however.  What you are trying to do in either case is to reduce the
data pulled.  This discussion is about two strategies, not related.  

1) Pull only one record for the main form
2) Use JIT subforms for the child records for the main form.  

These two strategies increase the speed ("feel") of the system for very
different reasons.  Pulling only one record for the main form obviously
increases the speed simply because the form will not open until a bunch of
records are pulled.  It does NOT wait for all of them but it does wait for
about 100 or so (if there are that many).  Thus by pulling just one, the
form opens as soon as that one record loads.

The JIT subforms increases the speed for a different reason, that being that
subforms populate before the main form.  Thus the main form has to wait for
all the subforms to populate before the main form populates and displays.
Obviously, the more subforms, the larger the gains of going to JIT subforms.

By implementing both of these strategies you can IN SOME INSTANCES decrease
the load time of the main form immensely.  In some cases the load time
decrease will not be noticeable.  It really depends on a number of factors
including the number of people in the database, the speed of the network and
amount of network traffic, the number of records being pulled in the main
form and the number of subforms.  It is therefore impossible to generalize
about how much it will help, but it will always help some amount. 

I can tell you that when both of these strategies were applied I dropped the
form open time of a VERY complex form with 25 users on a slow network on
slow machines from 15-25 seconds down to 3-7 seconds.  That is worth doing!

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 3:48 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] JIT Forms

John - I've been briefly following this thread.  Is this being done with an
Access BE or with a SQL Server BE?

If Access, how much improvement did you see?

Dan



From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Fri Nov  9 23:17:59 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 10:47:59 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122> 
	<002b01c822e0$ae5fc5f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <013401c82361$370678b0$0157a27a@personalec1122>

    You are most welcome Susan! Thanks for the generous compliment. Glad you could make a success of it.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 20:26
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  A.D., you are a genius -- you are right, I had the code right, just 
  executing it in reverse!

  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
  Integer)
    Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
    Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
      col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)
    End If
  End Sub

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel As Integer, PrintCount As 
  Integer)
    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
  End Sub

  Private Sub Report_Close()
    Set col = Nothing
  End Sub

  It's working perfectly now -- thank you A.D. I was going to rearrange things 
  this morning, after sleeping on the problem last night, but your message 
  helped a lot. I would've been working purely on speculation and you gave me 
  a map. ;)

  Now, I don't know if anyone else agrees with me, but I think this is much 
  simpler than the more common array solution.

  Susan H.

  >    2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last 
  > record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly 
  > using Page Header for this purpose.
  >
  >    3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to 
  > txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report 
  > execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next 
  > page. This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last 
  > values in forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making 
  > such an assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, 
  > building up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).
  >
  >    Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection 
  > based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast, 
  > TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is 
  > the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are 
  > required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can 
  > substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.
  >
  > A.D.Tejpal

From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Sat Nov 10 00:15:29 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 11:45:29 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
	<001901c822ca$4bd900b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <013501c82361$375052f0$0157a27a@personalec1122>

John,

    That is exactly the point. The requirement in this particular case was "point of time value as per flow of report execution". Hence the need for ensuring a collection of the then value held by the control and not the control object itself.

    Susan's objective was to store page-wise contents of TxtFooterLast (located in page footer) in a collection. With her original code, each element of this collection happened to become a pointer to the text box TxtFooterLast itself, even though Debug.Print statement did show the correct point of time value (as Value happens to be the default property of a text box control).

    For example, on a three page report, where TxtFooterLast displays "A", "B", "C" respectively on the three pages, the actual collection became:

    TxtFooterLast, TxtFooterLast, TxtFooterLast
    (instead of intended   "A", "B", "C"  as per Debug.Print statement)

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 17:46
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  A.D.

  An array can store a control just as easily.  And yes, you need to be aware
  of what you are storing, since if you store a control a number of things can
  occur that can be confusing.  For example, if you store a control, the value
  of the control can change between when you stored that control and when you
  use it, and in fact can continue to change as long as the collection is
  stored.  OTOH, if you store the control's VALUE then that value is captured
  in time, and while the control may continue to change, it's value back when
  it was stored will still be available.  It really depends on what you need
  to do, but you definitely need to keep this in mind.

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 
  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 2:49 AM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page

      You have not given any reason as to why you wish to avoid array based
  solution. Apparently, you are keen to implement collection based solution as
  an alternative.

      In your second post, describing the unsuccessful attempt to work out
  collection based solution, you stated  "I'm clueless -- I have no idea
  what's happening here." It is observed that the following factors are
  contributing to the problem:

      1 - You have landed into an interesting pitfall typical of collections.
  Whenever a collection's Add method is used, you have to be careful as to
  what exactly is being added. If you use the syntax  col.Add Me.MyControl, it
  becomes a collection of control objects. For making it a collection of
  control contents, you have to use Value property of the control.

      2 - Page Footer is the appropriate place to grab a value from last
  record of detail section and add it to the collection. You are wrongly using
  Page Header for this purpose.

      3 - You are using Page Footer to assign a value (from collection) to
  txtHeaderLast. In view of the nature of forward time flow during report
  execution, the effect of such assignment materializes only on the next page.
  This defeats the very purpose of building a collection of last values in
  forced first pass of formatting. The proper place for making such an
  assignment is Page Header (preferably its print event, as by then, building
  up of collection during prior formatting pass, is complete).

      Sample code in report's module, as given below, demonstrates collection
  based solution. All the four controls (TxtHeaderFirst, TxtHeaderLast,
  TxtFooterFirst, TxtFooterLast) are unbound. In the sample code, "Title" is
  the name of control in detail section whose first and last values are
  required to be displayed in page header as well as footer. You can
  substitute the name of actual control in your report, suitably.

  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Code in report's module
  '==================================
  ' Declarations section
  Private col As New Collection
  '---------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel _
                      As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
      
      Me.TxtFooterLast = Me.Title
      
      If Me.Pages = 0 Then
          col.Add Me.Title.Value, CStr(Me.Page)   ' (A)
      End If
      
      ' Caution - There is a potential pitfall here.
      '                In statement (A), while adding items to
      '                collection, Value property of the control
      '                in question MUST be used. Otherwise,
      '                it will become a collection of control
      '                objects (not the contents as intended),
      '                leading to weird results.
  End Sub
  '---------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Format(Cancel _
                      As Integer, FormatCount As Integer)
      Me.TxtHeaderFirst = Me.Title
      Me.TxtFooterFirst = Me.Title
  End Sub
  '---------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel _
                          As Integer, PrintCount As Integer)
      Me.TxtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page)) End Sub
  '---------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Report_Close()
      Set col = Nothing
  End Sub
  '==================================

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Susan Harkins
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 18:11
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


    I'm not convinced an array is necessary -- I've seen that solution. Have
  you
    seen the collection solution I tried and posted late last night?

    Susan H.

From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Sat Nov 10 07:13:51 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 18:43:51 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122> 
	<00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122>

    In your code, second statement in page footer's format event is also redundant. The real assignment for txtHeaderLast is taking place in page header's print event. First two lines of existing code block can be removed. The only portion required in page footer's format event is the block of three lines meant to build up the collection.

    In page header's print event, while retrieving information from collection object, you have used number argument, which returns values as per index position in collection. This method does not take advantage of key strings that you have embedded (via CStr(Me.Page) as the second argument) while adding to the collection. Though in the present case, your results are not affected (being a simple situation), it is considered preferable in the interest of greater reliability to retrieve values using key (where available) instead of number index (specially if the collection is likely to get disturbed for some reason). Second statement in page header's print event would then become:

    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))

    On the other hand, if you wish to continue using number index, it is not necessary to provide the second argument (for key string) in collection's Add method. The existing statement in page footer's format event would then become:

    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 21:06
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  Small correction to the previous code I posted -- I had to move the 
  Me.txtFooterFirst statement back to the PageHeaderSection event.

  Susan H.

  Private Sub PageFooterSection_Format(Cancel As Integer, FormatCount As 
  Integer)
    'Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
    Me.txtHeaderLast = Me.txtFooterLast
    If Me.Pages = 0 Then
      col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)
    End If
  End Sub

  Private Sub PageHeaderSection_Print(Cancel As Integer, PrintCount As 
  Integer)
    Me.txtFooterFirst = Me.txtHeaderFirst
    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)
  End Sub

  Private Sub Report_Close()
    Set col = Nothing
  End Sub

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov 10 07:18:51 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:18:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2000 Security Patches - Not Included in Office
	Update
Message-ID: <001101c8239c$3cff6520$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Tony Toews is reporting on his blog that Access 2000 Security Patches are
NOT automatically included with Office Update.

But he does describe how to get them:

http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/archive/2007/11/09/access-2000-security-patch
es.aspx

(Watch Wrap)


Dan Waters



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 08:33:49 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:33:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122>
	<00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>




>    In your code, second statement in page footer's format event is also 
> redundant. The real assignment for txtHeaderLast is taking place in page 
> header's print event. First two lines of existing code block can be 
> removed. The only portion required in page footer's format event is the 
> block of three lines meant to build up the collection.

======Oh, you're right. I think that's just a residual from my original 
attempt and I did a bad job of cleaning up. Thanks for pointing that out.
>
>    In page header's print event, while retrieving information from 
> collection object, you have used number argument, which returns values as 
> per index position in collection. This method does not take advantage of 
> key strings that you have embedded (via CStr(Me.Page) as the second 
> argument) while adding to the collection. Though in the present case, your 
> results are not affected (being a simple situation), it is considered 
> preferable in the interest of greater reliability to retrieve values using 
> key (where available) instead of number index (specially if the collection 
> is likely to get disturbed for some reason). Second statement in page 
> header's print event would then become:
>
>    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
>
>    On the other hand, if you wish to continue using number index, it is 
> not necessary to provide the second argument (for key string) in 
> collection's Add method. The existing statement in page footer's format 
> event would then become:
>
>    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value

=======I don't understand what you're saying. I'm really sorry -- let me ask 
a few questions, so you don't have to repeat yourself. I do see the 
inconsistency now that you point it out -- I use CStr(Me.Page) to store that 
value as a string, as required by the Collection object, but then I used 
Me.Page to retrieve members -- so I think what you're saying is that the 
code isn't even using the Me.Page value to retrieve values? That's where I 
get lost. If not the Me.Page value, then what? Thanks for your help.

Susan H. 



From bheid at sc.rr.com  Sat Nov 10 16:21:23 2007
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:21:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing
In-Reply-To: <003a01c820e9$19c48f00$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <003a01c820e9$19c48f00$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000f01c823e8$073444f0$159cced0$@rr.com>

John,

Did you ever get that scope that we talked about?  If so, which one?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing

I had good skies tonight and spent about an hour out looking at the north
east quadrant of the skies.  I went out specifically to see if I could find
the comet Holmes.  It turned out to be dead easy using Starry Nights.  The
program loads the location of comets and satellites and so forth so I was
able to print out a star chart with the location of Holmes.  It took all of
about 2 minutes to find it.  It is HUGE, although it is now growing so big
that it is really just a big ball of gas with a very slightly brighter
center area.  I dragged my son Robbie and my wife Mary out to see it.  Quite
cool.  

Of course it is also quite cold now (about 38 degrees out right now) so
Robbie and Mary quickly hurried back in the house.  I stayed out to try and
hunt down something else interesting.  Being totally new to this stuff I
have a lot of difficulty finding things, in fact even knowing where I am
looking.  I was trying to find the owl cluster and from there the little
dumbbell nebula M76 but was not able to do so.  I THINK I found the
Andromeda galaxy M31.  However looking at the chart now (inside the house) I
notice that there are three M objects m110, m32 and M31 quite close together
and I did not notice any other fuzzy in the immediate neighborhood so
perhaps I (once again) was not looking where I thought I was.  The area I
was looking at was close to directly over head, which makes using the finder
a pain.

Anyway, it was a fun evening.  I spent about an hour out there until my ears
were starting to get numb and it was time to pack it in.  Saturday the
"local" astronomy club is supposed to be meeting at a dark site, specific
location to be determined.  I hope to make it to the gathering.  My
telescope is an 8" DOB, an Orion Skyquest XT8 and it has a computerized
object locator, a "digital setting circle" which, if I could figure out how
to do the scope setup and calibration, would then allow me to "push to" just
about any object visible at my location.  I am hoping to get some
instruction on how to do this from club members Saturday night.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 10 18:15:16 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:15:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing
In-Reply-To: <000f01c823e8$073444f0$159cced0$@rr.com>
References: <003a01c820e9$19c48f00$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<000f01c823e8$073444f0$159cced0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <005901c823f7$f0bf6af0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I ended up buying a used 8" DOB Orion Intelliscope with digital setting
circles and a "push to" computer.  The computer will allow you to enter a
target object and push the scope manually.  The computer will count down to
zero as you get closer and closer.  When the computer reads 0,0 then you are
looking at the object.  I have yet to figure that out but I have used the
scope manually (without the computer). 

8" is nice, and it is easily luggable.  I would like to get a 10" or 12"
some day but it will be awhile, and I want to use what I have to get to know
the skies before I go looking at a bigger scope.  If I can Figure out the
computer then it will help me actually find some of the many available.  I
think I found Andromeda the other night.  


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing

John,

Did you ever get that scope that we talked about?  If so, which one?

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 9:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: A great night observing

I had good skies tonight and spent about an hour out looking at the north
east quadrant of the skies.  I went out specifically to see if I could find
the comet Holmes.  It turned out to be dead easy using Starry Nights.  The
program loads the location of comets and satellites and so forth so I was
able to print out a star chart with the location of Holmes.  It took all of
about 2 minutes to find it.  It is HUGE, although it is now growing so big
that it is really just a big ball of gas with a very slightly brighter
center area.  I dragged my son Robbie and my wife Mary out to see it.  Quite
cool.  

Of course it is also quite cold now (about 38 degrees out right now) so
Robbie and Mary quickly hurried back in the house.  I stayed out to try and
hunt down something else interesting.  Being totally new to this stuff I
have a lot of difficulty finding things, in fact even knowing where I am
looking.  I was trying to find the owl cluster and from there the little
dumbbell nebula M76 but was not able to do so.  I THINK I found the
Andromeda galaxy M31.  However looking at the chart now (inside the house) I
notice that there are three M objects m110, m32 and M31 quite close together
and I did not notice any other fuzzy in the immediate neighborhood so
perhaps I (once again) was not looking where I thought I was.  The area I
was looking at was close to directly over head, which makes using the finder
a pain.

Anyway, it was a fun evening.  I spent about an hour out there until my ears
were starting to get numb and it was time to pack it in.  Saturday the
"local" astronomy club is supposed to be meeting at a dark site, specific
location to be determined.  I hope to make it to the gathering.  My
telescope is an 8" DOB, an Orion Skyquest XT8 and it has a computerized
object locator, a "digital setting circle" which, if I could figure out how
to do the scope setup and calibration, would then allow me to "push to" just
about any object visible at my location.  I am hoping to get some
instruction on how to do this from club members Saturday night.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov 11 13:07:54 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 13:07:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
Message-ID: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility of
a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
different strings, and so on.

Is there a way out of this?

Thanks!
Dan




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 13:49:18 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:49:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
> that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility 
> of
> a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
> two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
> different strings, and so on.
>
> Is there a way out of this?

=========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
provide a simple example?

Susan H. 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov 11 14:10:08 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:10:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Susan,

If IsNull(txtA) then
	Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
		& " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
Else
	Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
		& " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
End If

Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields



> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
> that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility 
> of
> a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
> two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
> different strings, and so on.
>
> Is there a way out of this?

=========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
provide a simple example?

Susan H. 

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From jengross at gte.net  Sun Nov 11 14:41:33 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 12:41:33 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <007401c824a3$3f2b2340$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Dan,

Perhaps setting the Allow Nulls property of the field in the table to
true will work.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 12:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


Hi Susan,

If IsNull(txtA) then
	Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
		& " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
Else
	Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
		& " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC &
"')" End If

Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields



> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into 
> account that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one 
> possibility of a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different 
> strings, if there are two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to

> write and choose from 4 different strings, and so on.
>
> Is there a way out of this?

=========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
provide a simple example?

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 17:26:56 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:26:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Explanation of ! in Nz function
Message-ID: <008801c824ba$5c66b110$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Would someone please explain the use of the ! character in the following 
function:

Nz(!CustomerID)

I've never seen this before.

Susan H. 



From jengross at gte.net  Sun Nov 11 17:53:20 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 15:53:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Explanation of ! in Nz function
In-Reply-To: <008801c824ba$5c66b110$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <009b01c824be$0b6e18d0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Susan,

My guess is that it is wrapped inside of a With statement so that you
don't have to specifically indicate the name of the recordset.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:27 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Explanation of ! in Nz function


Would someone please explain the use of the ! character in the following

function:

Nz(!CustomerID)

I've never seen this before.

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 18:04:00 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:04:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Explanation of ! in Nz function
References: <009b01c824be$0b6e18d0$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <00c301c824bf$9f264ce0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OH! I hadn't thought of that -- thanks. I'm sure you're right. 

Susan H. 


> Hi Susan,
> 
> My guess is that it is wrapped inside of a With statement so that you
> don't have to specifically indicate the name of the recordset.



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 18:18:08 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:18:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00ce01c824c1$845721d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

INSERT INTO doesn't care if a value doesn't exist, it only cares about the 
placeholder. When txtA is empty, insert a zero-length string.

If IsNull(txtA) then txtA = ''

Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
& " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"

Susan H.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


> Hi Susan,
>
> If IsNull(txtA) then
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
> Else
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
> End If
>
> Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
>
>
>
>> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
>> that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility
>> of
>> a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
>> two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
>> different strings, and so on.
>>
>> Is there a way out of this?
>
> =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you
> provide a simple example?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Nov 11 18:49:30 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:49:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <00ce01c824c1$845721d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00ce01c824c1$845721d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c824c5$e2cf41d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Thanks Susan!

I'll try this out.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 6:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

INSERT INTO doesn't care if a value doesn't exist, it only cares about the 
placeholder. When txtA is empty, insert a zero-length string.

If IsNull(txtA) then txtA = ''

Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
& " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"

Susan H.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


> Hi Susan,
>
> If IsNull(txtA) then
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
> Else
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
> End If
>
> Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
>
>
>
>> Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
>> that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility
>> of
>> a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
>> two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
>> different strings, and so on.
>>
>> Is there a way out of this?
>
> =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you
> provide a simple example?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 18:55:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:55:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters><00ce01c824c1$845721d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000001c824c5$e2cf41d0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <001601c824c6$af2c26d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Dan, just in case -- that placeholder -- '' is two single quotation marks, 
not one double quotation mark. I should've mentioned before.

Susan H.


> Thanks Susan!
>
> I'll try this out.
>
> Dan
>
> INSERT INTO doesn't care if a value doesn't exist, it only cares about the
> placeholder. When txtA is empty, insert a zero-length string.
>
> If IsNull(txtA) then txtA = ''
>
> Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
> & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
>
> Susan H.



From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Sun Nov 11 23:57:58 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:27:58 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122><00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanO
	ne><006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122> 
	<002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00bb01c824f1$07fb3100$bb57a27a@personalec1122>

    While using collection's Add method, second argument is optional and gets stored as the key for identifying the particular element. As a parallel, it is like the primary key value for a record.

    Let us presume that txtFooterLast displays "LV-1", "LV-2", "LV-3" and "LV-4" on page number 1 to 4 respectively. Your Add statement reads:

    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value, CStr(Me.Page)

    This means that "1" to "4" get stored as the key string values for elements "LV-1" to "LV-4" respectively of the collection. In this state, the index position of the four elements is 1 to 4. The results fetched by the following two statements for page 3 will be identical:

    (a) Syntax: col(CStr(Me.Page)) - using key:  
          col("3") fetches "LV-3"

    (b) Syntax: col(Me.Page) - using index position:  
          col(3) also fetches "LV-3"

    If, for some reason (although not likely in this particular case), second element of collection were to be removed, and then re-added as "LLVV-2" with key "2" for page 2, the existing 3rd & 4th elements will move up to 2nd & 3rd positions respectively, while the newly added element "LLVV-2" will occupy the last i.e. fourth position (unless you take special care to specify its position in Add statement by making use of optional third & fourth arguments). 

    In this state, syntax as per (a) above, using key string will still fetch the correct value "LV-3" for page 3. However, with the other syntax as per (b) above, using index position, incorrect value of "LV-4" will get fetched for page 3. It is therefore considered a preferable practice to use key values (if available) for retrieving information from a collection. It is observed that you have already taken the trouble of embedding the key strings during Add process. That being so, better use it for retrieval (i.e. col(CStr(Me.Page))  in preference to  col(Me.Page)). Reverting to our parallel with a recordset, it is like using the primary key value rather than record number while locating a record.

    As mentioned earlier, your current exercise does not run the risk of collection once built, getting disturbed. As such, if you are particularly keen to keep everything absolutely simple, you can avoid using the second argument in Add method. That statement would become:

    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value

    And then you can continue to use the following statement for retrieval:

    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(Me.Page)

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 20:03
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page

  >    In your code, second statement in page footer's format event is also 
  > redundant. The real assignment for txtHeaderLast is taking place in page 
  > header's print event. First two lines of existing code block can be 
  > removed. The only portion required in page footer's format event is the 
  > block of three lines meant to build up the collection.

  ======Oh, you're right. I think that's just a residual from my original 
  attempt and I did a bad job of cleaning up. Thanks for pointing that out.
  >
  >    In page header's print event, while retrieving information from 
  > collection object, you have used number argument, which returns values as 
  > per index position in collection. This method does not take advantage of 
  > key strings that you have embedded (via CStr(Me.Page) as the second 
  > argument) while adding to the collection. Though in the present case, your 
  > results are not affected (being a simple situation), it is considered 
  > preferable in the interest of greater reliability to retrieve values using 
  > key (where available) instead of number index (specially if the collection 
  > is likely to get disturbed for some reason). Second statement in page 
  > header's print event would then become:
  >
  >    Me.txtHeaderLast = col(CStr(Me.Page))
  >
  >    On the other hand, if you wish to continue using number index, it is 
  > not necessary to provide the second argument (for key string) in 
  > collection's Add method. The existing statement in page footer's format 
  > event would then become:
  >
  >    col.Add Me.txtFooterLast.Value

  =======I don't understand what you're saying. I'm really sorry -- let me ask 
  a few questions, so you don't have to repeat yourself. I do see the 
  inconsistency now that you point it out -- I use CStr(Me.Page) to store that 
  value as a string, as required by the Collection object, but then I used 
  Me.Page to retrieve members -- so I think what you're saying is that the 
  code isn't even using the Me.Page value to retrieve values? That's where I 
  get lost. If not the Me.Page value, then what? Thanks for your help.

  Susan H. 

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 12 02:43:16 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:43:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
Message-ID: <s7382045.081@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

If your fields doesn't allow for zero length strings but do accept Nulls, you can use:

' Replace zero-length strings with 'Null' and wrap strings in quotes.
varA = IIf(Len(Nz(txtA), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtA & "'")
varB = IIf(Len(Nz(txtB), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtB & "'")
varC = IIf(Len(Nz(txtC), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtC & "'")

' Build SQL string with the word Null for empty variables.
Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
& " VALUES (" & varA & ", " & varB & ", " & varC & ")"

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 11-11-2007 20:07 >>>
Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility of
a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
different strings, and so on.

Is there a way out of this?

Thanks!
Dan




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 06:56:20 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:56:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122><00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne><006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122>
	<002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<00bb01c824f1$07fb3100$bb57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <008601c8252b$7254a330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I worked through this a little last night and you're right. I totally missed 
the logic there -- thanks. But I do have a question for you.


>    This means that "1" to "4" get stored as the key string values for 
> elements "LV-1" to "LV-4" respectively of the collection. In this state, 
> the index position of the four elements is 1 to 4. The results fetched by 
> the following two statements for page 3 will be identical:
>
>    (a) Syntax: col(CStr(Me.Page)) - using key:
>          col("3") fetches "LV-3"
>
>    (b) Syntax: col(Me.Page) - using index position:
>          col(3) also fetches "LV-3"
>
>    If, for some reason (although not likely in this particular case), 
> second element of collection were to be removed, and then re-added as 
> "LLVV-2" with key "2" for page 2, the existing 3rd & 4th elements will 
> move up to 2nd & 3rd positions respectively, while the newly added element 
> "LLVV-2" will occupy the last i.e. fourth position (unless you take 
> special care to specify its position in Add statement by making use of 
> optional third & fourth arguments).

======The whole point of using Me.Page as the key value was to make sure 
there was an identical match when I retrieved the value using Me.Page. I see 
where storing Me.Page as the key is unnecessary in this particular case. But 
wouldn't storing Me.Page as the key keep the above from happening? It sounds 
like the key value is retrieving by position and not by actual value?

Susan H. 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 12 07:44:56 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:44:56 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <s7382045.081@cactus.dk>
References: <s7382045.081@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000901c82532$365fa710$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Gustav,

This is interesting!  This looks like something of a syntax trick to build
the string you want.

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:43 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

Hi Dan

If your fields doesn't allow for zero length strings but do accept Nulls,
you can use:

' Replace zero-length strings with 'Null' and wrap strings in quotes.
varA = IIf(Len(Nz(txtA), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtA & "'")
varB = IIf(Len(Nz(txtB), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtB & "'")
varC = IIf(Len(Nz(txtC), vbNullString)=0, "Null", "'" & txtC & "'")

' Build SQL string with the word Null for empty variables.
Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
& " VALUES (" & varA & ", " & varB & ", " & varC & ")"

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 11-11-2007 20:07 >>>
Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility of
a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
different strings, and so on.

Is there a way out of this?

Thanks!
Dan


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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 12 07:53:41 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:23:41 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$
	8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c82
	2a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122><00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanO
	ne><006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122><002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b
	3a8343@SusanOne><00bb01c824f1$07fb3100$bb57a27a@personalec1122> 
	<008601c8252b$7254a330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <006501c82533$901eda40$9957a27a@personalec1122>

    If you do wish to pass the second argument (which is optional) to serve as key, it has to be a string. That is why you correctly used CStr(Me.Page) instead of mere Me.Page. For element pertaining to page 3, key becomes "3", while its index position (i.e. element number is 3). 

    If you retrieve by using col(Me.Page) for page 3, it translates to col(3). It gets you the third element in collection, irrespective of its key. If retrieval is made by using col(CStr(Me.Page)), it will translate to col("3") and get you the element having "3" as its key, irrespective of its position in the collection. In your particular case, being a simple undisturbed collection, the results in either case are identical.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 18:26
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page


  I worked through this a little last night and you're right. I totally missed 
  the logic there -- thanks. But I do have a question for you.


  >    This means that "1" to "4" get stored as the key string values for 
  > elements "LV-1" to "LV-4" respectively of the collection. In this state, 
  > the index position of the four elements is 1 to 4. The results fetched by 
  > the following two statements for page 3 will be identical:
  >
  >    (a) Syntax: col(CStr(Me.Page)) - using key:
  >          col("3") fetches "LV-3"
  >
  >    (b) Syntax: col(Me.Page) - using index position:
  >          col(3) also fetches "LV-3"
  >
  >    If, for some reason (although not likely in this particular case), 
  > second element of collection were to be removed, and then re-added as 
  > "LLVV-2" with key "2" for page 2, the existing 3rd & 4th elements will 
  > move up to 2nd & 3rd positions respectively, while the newly added element 
  > "LLVV-2" will occupy the last i.e. fourth position (unless you take 
  > special care to specify its position in Add statement by making use of 
  > optional third & fourth arguments).

  ======The whole point of using Me.Page as the key value was to make sure 
  there was an identical match when I retrieved the value using Me.Page. I see 
  where storing Me.Page as the key is unnecessary in this particular case. But 
  wouldn't storing Me.Page as the key keep the above from happening? It sounds 
  like the key value is retrieving by position and not by actual value?

  Susan H. 

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 08:08:26 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:08:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
References: <001601c820ae$821c9a10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003301c82105$babcfd40$8c57a27a@personalec1122><003f01c8213b$9abb4390$4b3a8343@SusanOne><004101c822a5$4dd21160$8a57a27a@personalec1122><00a301c822e6$57e00220$4b3a8343@SusanOne><006f01c8239b$b4e504b0$7157a27a@personalec1122><002501c823a6$b905fda0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><00bb01c824f1$07fb3100$bb57a27a@personalec1122>
	<008601c8252b$7254a330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<006501c82533$901eda40$9957a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <001501c82535$8088c300$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OH!!!! I get it -- thanks so much A.P. -- that definitely clears things up 
for me.

Susan H.

>    If you do wish to pass the second argument (which is optional) to serve 
> as key, it has to be a string. That is why you correctly used 
> CStr(Me.Page) instead of mere Me.Page. For element pertaining to page 3, 
> key becomes "3", while its index position (i.e. element number is 3).
>
>    If you retrieve by using col(Me.Page) for page 3, it translates to 
> col(3). It gets you the third element in collection, irrespective of its 
> key. If retrieval is made by using col(CStr(Me.Page)), it will translate 
> to col("3") and get you the element having "3" as its key, irrespective of 
> its position in the collection. In your particular case, being a simple 
> undisturbed collection, the results in either case are identical.
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 18:26
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] storing last item on the page
>
>
>  I worked through this a little last night and you're right. I totally 
> missed
>  the logic there -- thanks. But I do have a question for you.
>
>
>  >    This means that "1" to "4" get stored as the key string values for
>  > elements "LV-1" to "LV-4" respectively of the collection. In this 
> state,
>  > the index position of the four elements is 1 to 4. The results fetched 
> by
>  > the following two statements for page 3 will be identical:
>  >
>  >    (a) Syntax: col(CStr(Me.Page)) - using key:
>  >          col("3") fetches "LV-3"
>  >
>  >    (b) Syntax: col(Me.Page) - using index position:
>  >          col(3) also fetches "LV-3"
>  >
>  >    If, for some reason (although not likely in this particular case),
>  > second element of collection were to be removed, and then re-added as
>  > "LLVV-2" with key "2" for page 2, the existing 3rd & 4th elements will
>  > move up to 2nd & 3rd positions respectively, while the newly added 
> element
>  > "LLVV-2" will occupy the last i.e. fourth position (unless you take
>  > special care to specify its position in Add statement by making use of
>  > optional third & fourth arguments).
>
>  ======The whole point of using Me.Page as the key value was to make sure
>  there was an identical match when I retrieved the value using Me.Page. I 
> see
>  where storing Me.Page as the key is unnecessary in this particular case. 
> But
>  wouldn't storing Me.Page as the key keep the above from happening? It 
> sounds
>  like the key value is retrieving by position and not by actual value?
>
>  Susan H.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 09:11:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:11:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
Message-ID: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color of
a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a sub-form
but I don't think that's relevant.  
 
What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to do
this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 12 09:28:57 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:28:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
In-Reply-To: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001001c82540$be3afa50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Rocky,

In design view, the select the text box or combobox.
Go to conditional formatting.
Select 'Field has Focus'.
Select your background color.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

Dear List:
 
I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color of
a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a sub-form
but I don't think that's relevant.  
 
What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to do
this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 09:53:10 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 07:53:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
In-Reply-To: <001001c82540$be3afa50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001001c82540$be3afa50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <005c01c82544$2018d000$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dan:

It doesn't work because the field never gets the focus.  I did this on
another app and the way I did it was to put a text box on the detail
section, move to back and change the color of the text box when the record
got the focus. There's no conditional formatting of the detail section.

I was able to do this in an expression by comparing the Autonumber ID of the
current record with an invisible text box in the header section.  But it was
a simple bound form with no subforms.

That won't work in this case - the subform data is coming from another
table.  

There must be some trick to telling the conditional formatting to operate on
the current record only.  

Thanks and regards,

Rocky
 


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

Rocky,

In design view, the select the text box or combobox.
Go to conditional formatting.
Select 'Field has Focus'.
Select your background color.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

Dear List:
 
I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color of
a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a sub-form
but I don't think that's relevant.  
 
What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to do
this?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 10:01:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:01:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] summing in a crosstab
Message-ID: <00b201c82545$3faa5dc0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I am doing a count like this
	10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 etc
AK
AL
AR
AZ

This is by state, by boat length.  However the user wants the boat lengths
grouped, i.e. a single column for 10-15, 15-20 etc. where I have summed the
counts for 10,11,12,13,14, and 15 and display that in a single column.  Is
this possible in a single query or am I going to have to go to a separate
query to sum the lengths by state and then add that in to the crosstab
somehow?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 12 10:15:41 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:15:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] summing in a crosstab
Message-ID: <s7388a60.005@cactus.dk>

Hi John

The "secret" function Partition (look up the on-line help) is what you are looking for.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 12-11-2007 17:01 >>>
I am doing a count like this
	10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 etc
AK
AL
AR
AZ

This is by state, by boat length.  However the user wants the boat lengths
grouped, i.e. a single column for 10-15, 15-20 etc. where I have summed the
counts for 10,11,12,13,14, and 15 and display that in a single column.  Is
this possible in a single query or am I going to have to go to a separate
query to sum the lengths by state and then add that in to the crosstab
somehow?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 12 12:06:10 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 23:36:10 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640
	$4b3a8343@SusanOne> <000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00fd01c82556$e1d1b010$9557a27a@personalec1122>

Dan,

    As an interesting alternative with significant advantages, VALUES clause can be replaced by SELECT clause. Sample code in form's module, as given at (A) below, demonstrates this approach. If it happens to be a subform, the code given at (B) below would be applicable.

    With this technique, all your problems should stand resolved. Some of the advantages inherent in this method are:

    1 - While building the SQL string, you don't have to worry about data type.
    2 - If the source text box is blank, Null value gets inserted in the destination field (Required property set to No).
    3 - If there are any embedded quotes (whether single, double or various combinations of these) in the contents of source text box, the same get faithfully transferred to destination field without needing any special treatment. If such a task were to be implemented via VALUES clause, tedious prior fixing of such embedded quotes would have been necessary.

    Note - As form based parameters are involved, DoCmd.RunSQL method has been used instead of CurrentDb.Execute.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

A - Code in independent form's module
F_Main is the name of this form. TxtA, TxtB and 
TxtC are text boxes whose values are to be appended 
to fields A, B & C respectively in table T_Main. 
(T_Dummy is a single field single record table).
'=====================================
Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
    Dim Qst As String
    
    Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
            "SELECT Forms!F_Main!TxtA, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!TxtB, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!TxtC FROM T_Dummy;"
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
End Sub
'=====================================

B - Code in subform's module
F_Main is the name of parent form. SF_Sub is the
name of control serving as container for the subform.
Txt1, Txt2 and Txt3 are text boxes on the subform
whose values are to be appended to fields A, B & C
respectively in table T_Main. (T_Dummy is a single 
field single record table).
'=====================================
Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
    Dim Qst As String
    
    Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
            "SELECT Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt1, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt2, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt3 FROM T_Dummy;"
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan Waters 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 01:40
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


  Hi Susan,

  If IsNull(txtA) then
  Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
  & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
  Else
  Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
  & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
  End If

  Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

  > Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into account
  > that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one possibility 
  > of a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there are
  > two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
  > different strings, and so on.
  >
  > Is there a way out of this?

  =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
  provide a simple example?

  Susan H.

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Nov 12 12:34:50 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:34:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c82556$e1d1b010$9557a27a@personalec1122>
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00fd01c82556$e1d1b010$9557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <001c01c8255a$b62c73b0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hello A.D.

This is absolutely clever!

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

Dan,

    As an interesting alternative with significant advantages, VALUES clause
can be replaced by SELECT clause. Sample code in form's module, as given at
(A) below, demonstrates this approach. If it happens to be a subform, the
code given at (B) below would be applicable.

    With this technique, all your problems should stand resolved. Some of
the advantages inherent in this method are:

    1 - While building the SQL string, you don't have to worry about data
type.
    2 - If the source text box is blank, Null value gets inserted in the
destination field (Required property set to No).
    3 - If there are any embedded quotes (whether single, double or various
combinations of these) in the contents of source text box, the same get
faithfully transferred to destination field without needing any special
treatment. If such a task were to be implemented via VALUES clause, tedious
prior fixing of such embedded quotes would have been necessary.

    Note - As form based parameters are involved, DoCmd.RunSQL method has
been used instead of CurrentDb.Execute.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

A - Code in independent form's module
F_Main is the name of this form. TxtA, TxtB and 
TxtC are text boxes whose values are to be appended 
to fields A, B & C respectively in table T_Main. 
(T_Dummy is a single field single record table).
'=====================================
Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
    Dim Qst As String
    
    Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
            "SELECT Forms!F_Main!TxtA, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!TxtB, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!TxtC FROM T_Dummy;"
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
End Sub
'=====================================

B - Code in subform's module
F_Main is the name of parent form. SF_Sub is the
name of control serving as container for the subform.
Txt1, Txt2 and Txt3 are text boxes on the subform
whose values are to be appended to fields A, B & C
respectively in table T_Main. (T_Dummy is a single 
field single record table).
'=====================================
Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
    Dim Qst As String
    
    Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
            "SELECT Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt1, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt2, " & _
            "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt3 FROM T_Dummy;"
    
    DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
    DoCmd.SetWarnings True
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan Waters 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 01:40
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


  Hi Susan,

  If IsNull(txtA) then
  Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
  & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
  Else
  Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
  & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
  End If

  Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
  Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

  > Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into
account
  > that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one
possibility 
  > of a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there
are
  > two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
  > different strings, and so on.
  >
  > Is there a way out of this?

  =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
  provide a simple example?

  Susan H.
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 12 13:13:56 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:43:56 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
References: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001001c82540$be3afa50$0
	200a8c0@danwaters> <005c01c82544$2018d000$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <01d001c82560$4abb34d0$9557a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    My sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you.

    (a) Form_SubformHighLightCurrentRow
    (b) HighLightDataSheetRows
    (c) ContFormsKeyNavAndHighLightMultiSelect
    (d) Form_HighLightUpdatedFields

    These are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library). Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 21:23
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record


  Dan:

  It doesn't work because the field never gets the focus.  I did this on
  another app and the way I did it was to put a text box on the detail
  section, move to back and change the color of the text box when the record
  got the focus. There's no conditional formatting of the detail section.

  I was able to do this in an expression by comparing the Autonumber ID of the
  current record with an invisible text box in the header section.  But it was
  a simple bound form with no subforms.

  That won't work in this case - the subform data is coming from another
  table.  

  There must be some trick to telling the conditional formatting to operate on
  the current record only.  

  Thanks and regards,

  Rocky  


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:29 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

  Rocky,

  In design view, the select the text box or combobox.
  Go to conditional formatting.
  Select 'Field has Focus'.
  Select your background color.

  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
  Beach Access Software
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:12 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

  Dear List:
   
  I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color of
  a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a sub-form
  but I don't think that's relevant.  
   
  What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to do
  this?
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky

From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 12 13:19:55 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:49:55 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields
References: <000701c82496$29f8ba80$0200a8c0@danwaters><017601c8249b$f4bdf640
	$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000801c8249e$dbce4420$0200a8c0@danwaters><00fd01c82556$
	e1d1b010$9557a27a@personalec1122> 
	<001c01c8255a$b62c73b0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <01e401c82561$1c987cb0$9557a27a@personalec1122>

    You are most welcome Dan!

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dan Waters 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 00:04
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


  Hello A.D.

  This is absolutely clever!

  Thanks!
  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:06 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

  Dan,

      As an interesting alternative with significant advantages, VALUES clause
  can be replaced by SELECT clause. Sample code in form's module, as given at
  (A) below, demonstrates this approach. If it happens to be a subform, the
  code given at (B) below would be applicable.

      With this technique, all your problems should stand resolved. Some of
  the advantages inherent in this method are:

      1 - While building the SQL string, you don't have to worry about data
  type.
      2 - If the source text box is blank, Null value gets inserted in the
  destination field (Required property set to No).
      3 - If there are any embedded quotes (whether single, double or various
  combinations of these) in the contents of source text box, the same get
  faithfully transferred to destination field without needing any special
  treatment. If such a task were to be implemented via VALUES clause, tedious
  prior fixing of such embedded quotes would have been necessary.

      Note - As form based parameters are involved, DoCmd.RunSQL method has
  been used instead of CurrentDb.Execute.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  A - Code in independent form's module
  F_Main is the name of this form. TxtA, TxtB and 
  TxtC are text boxes whose values are to be appended 
  to fields A, B & C respectively in table T_Main. 
  (T_Dummy is a single field single record table).
  '=====================================
  Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
      Dim Qst As String
      
      Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
              "SELECT Forms!F_Main!TxtA, " & _
              "Forms!F_Main!TxtB, " & _
              "Forms!F_Main!TxtC FROM T_Dummy;"
      
      DoCmd.SetWarnings False
      DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
      DoCmd.SetWarnings True
  End Sub
  '=====================================

  B - Code in subform's module
  F_Main is the name of parent form. SF_Sub is the
  name of control serving as container for the subform.
  Txt1, Txt2 and Txt3 are text boxes on the subform
  whose values are to be appended to fields A, B & C
  respectively in table T_Main. (T_Dummy is a single 
  field single record table).
  '=====================================
  Private Sub CmdAppend_Click()
      Dim Qst As String
      
      Qst = "INSERT INTO T_Main (A, B, C) " & _
              "SELECT Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt1, " & _
              "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt2, " & _
              "Forms!F_Main!SF_Sub!Txt3 FROM T_Dummy;"
      
      DoCmd.SetWarnings False
      DoCmd.RunSQL Qst
      DoCmd.SetWarnings True
  End Sub
  '=====================================

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Dan Waters 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 01:40
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields


    Hi Susan,

    If IsNull(txtA) then
    Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( B, C )" _
    & " VALUES ('" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
    Else
    Stg = "INSERT INTO tblMain ( A, B, C )" _
    & " VALUES ('" & txtA & "', '" & txtB & "', '" & txtC & "')"
    End If

    Trying to insert a Null value creates an error.

    Dan

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
    Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 1:49 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Insert Into with Null Fields

    > Sometimes when I write an INSERT INTO string, I have to take into
  account
    > that a text box or memo field might be null.  If there is one
  possibility 
    > of a Null, I have to write and choose from 2 different strings, if there
  are
    > two possibilities of Null fields, then I have to write and choose from 4
    > different strings, and so on.
    >
    > Is there a way out of this?

    =========I don't understand the need for mutliple statements. Can you 
    provide a simple example?

    Susan H.

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 13:46:50 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:46:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and rs.MoveLastand
debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns -1, when I know
there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

TIA,
Arthur


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 14:09:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:09:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the 
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote about it 
years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will know. Maybe 
she'll see this.

Susan H.



> I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and 
> rs.MoveLastand
> debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns -1, when I know
> there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 14:30:46 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:30:46 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record
In-Reply-To: <01d001c82560$4abb34d0$9557a27a@personalec1122>
References: <003901c8253e$5f6c9210$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001001c82540$be3afa50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<005c01c82544$2018d000$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<01d001c82560$4abb34d0$9557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <000101c8256a$e8143a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Thanks A.D. - I think that ranking scheme will work. 

Regards,

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

Rocky,

    My sample db's mentioned below, might be of interest to you.

    (a) Form_SubformHighLightCurrentRow
    (b) HighLightDataSheetRows
    (c) ContFormsKeyNavAndHighLightMultiSelect
    (d) Form_HighLightUpdatedFields

    These are available at Rogers Access Library (other developers library).
Link - http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/OtherLibraries.asp#Tejpal,A.D.
 
    You could adapt the underlying approach suitably, for your specific
needs.
 
Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 21:23
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record


  Dan:

  It doesn't work because the field never gets the focus.  I did this on
  another app and the way I did it was to put a text box on the detail
  section, move to back and change the color of the text box when the record
  got the focus. There's no conditional formatting of the detail section.

  I was able to do this in an expression by comparing the Autonumber ID of
the
  current record with an invisible text box in the header section.  But it
was
  a simple bound form with no subforms.

  That won't work in this case - the subform data is coming from another
  table.  

  There must be some trick to telling the conditional formatting to operate
on
  the current record only.  

  Thanks and regards,

  Rocky  


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 7:29 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

  Rocky,

  In design view, the select the text box or combobox.
  Go to conditional formatting.
  Select 'Field has Focus'.
  Select your background color.

  Dan

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
  Beach Access Software
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:12 AM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting - Current Record

  Dear List:
   
  I am trying to use conditional formatting to change the background color
of
  a control when it is the current record.  Control is actually on a
sub-form
  but I don't think that's relevant.  
   
  What is the expression I need in the conditional formatting dialog box to
do
  this?
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 12 14:52:24 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:52:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Are you sure it's a DAO recordset, Arthur?  ADO recordsets commonly
return 0 or -1.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and
rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns
-1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

TIA,
Arthur
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 12 14:54:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:54:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
	<00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Susan,

You give me more credit than I deserve.  I don't even work with DAO
recordsets any more, so my memory is failing.  I suspect a forward only
type will do this, but can't remember for sure.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote
about it years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will
know. Maybe she'll see this.

Susan H.



> I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and 
> rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns

> -1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

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From pharold at proftesting.com  Mon Nov 12 15:04:21 2007
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:04:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
	<00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B078B26@exchange.ptiorl.local>

Is it client side or server side cursor?

>From DEVX forum - 

"RecordCount for server side cursors returns "-1".

oRS.Source = SQL_str
oRS.CursorLocation = 3 'adUseClient
oRS.Open" 


Perry Harold
Professional Testing Inc


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote
about it years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will
know. Maybe she'll see this.

Susan H.



> I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and 
> rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns

> -1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 15:05:01 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 13:05:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com><00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000a01c8256f$b185e980$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Arthur:

Why don't you post your DIMs and opening statement? Maybe we'll see
something there.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Susan,

You give me more credit than I deserve.  I don't even work with DAO
recordsets any more, so my memory is failing.  I suspect a forward only type
will do this, but can't remember for sure.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote about it
years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will know. Maybe
she'll see this.

Susan H.



> I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and 
> rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns

> -1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 15:09:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:09:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pivot in SQL Server 2005
Message-ID: <00b801c82570$4af193d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I just wrote my first Pivot table by hand in SQL Server 2005 and HOLY COW
was that a PITA!!!  Is there a wizard anywhere for doing this?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Nov 12 15:51:44 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:51:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004601c82576$3844c9e0$8abea8c0@XPS>


  DAO recordsets return -1 on forward only and snapshot sets.  Also a set on
a linked tabledef will always return -1 when you open the recordset with the
table option.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 3:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Are you sure it's a DAO recordset, Arthur?  ADO recordsets commonly
return 0 or -1.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 11:47 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

I've got a DAO recordset and codes that does rs.moveFirst and
rs.MoveLastand debug.print rs.RecordCount, but it consistently returns
-1, when I know there are records in the set. What am I doing wrong?

TIA,
Arthur
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 16:16:23 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:16:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access to Outlook
Message-ID: <000b01c82579$ad1e6520$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I posted the following code on the tech list this weekend, but so far haven't resolved the problem I'm having. I'm trying to send Access values to Outlook as a new contact. The   Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact") statement returns a can't set object variable error. 

Susan H. 




Function SendContactsToOutlook()

  Dim rst As New ADODB.Recordset
  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  '---------
  'Must set reference to Outlook library
  '---------
  Dim itms As Outlook.Items
  Dim itm As Outlook.ContactItem
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  rst.Open "tblContacts", cnn

  'Outlook Folder name is hardcoded
  
  Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact")
  
  With itm
    .CustomerID = Nz(rst!CustomerID)
    .FirstName = Nz(rst!FirstName)
    .LastName = Nz(rst!LastName)
    .Department = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Birthday = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Close (olSave)
    'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
  End With
  

   
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  Set itms = Nothing
  Set itm = Nothing
  
End Function

From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Mon Nov 12 16:33:12 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:33:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Well, it's strange to me, anyway.

When I compile my code using the Debug|Compile menu options, I get no
errors.  I have one procedure, however, which throws a compile error -
not a runtime error - when I try to execute it.  The code for that
procedure is self-contained, with no calls to any other procedures.  I'm
scratching my head on this one.  I suspect some sort of corruption, but
don't know quite where to go looking or how to resolve.  

Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 16:34:13 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:34:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Access to Outlook
Message-ID: <003001c8257c$281f4710$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I think I've figured it out, although I haven't tried it -- I'm going to 
have to create an Outlook Application and NameSpace object, via a MAPI 
folder. I didn't think it'd be this much work, but it is Outlook...

Susan H.


I posted the following code on the tech list this weekend, but so far 
haven't resolved the problem I'm having. I'm trying to send Access values to 
Outlook as a new contact. The   Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact") statement 
returns a can't set object variable error.

Susan H.




Function SendContactsToOutlook()

  Dim rst As New ADODB.Recordset
  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  '---------
  'Must set reference to Outlook library
  '---------
  Dim itms As Outlook.Items
  Dim itm As Outlook.ContactItem
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  rst.Open "tblContacts", cnn

  'Outlook Folder name is hardcoded

  Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact")

  With itm
    .CustomerID = Nz(rst!CustomerID)
    .FirstName = Nz(rst!FirstName)
    .LastName = Nz(rst!LastName)
    .Department = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Birthday = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Close (olSave)
    'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
  End With




  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  Set itms = Nothing
  Set itm = Nothing

End Function 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 16:35:33 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:35:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <003501c8257c$58695690$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>
> Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

======I'd copy the procedure to a Word file, delete it from the module, and 
compile. Then copy the procedure back, and recompile.

Susan H. 



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Nov 12 16:43:15 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:43:15 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.l
	ocal>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com><00
	db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne> 
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFCC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


Nah, I think she meant it is soooo ooold only Charlotte is old enough to
remember. <ducking>
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Susan,

You give me more credit than I deserve.  I don't even work with DAO
recordsets any more, so my memory is failing.  I suspect a forward only
type will do this, but can't remember for sure.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote
about it years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will
know. Maybe she'll see this.

Susan H.




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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov 12 16:44:33 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:44:33 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
Message-ID: <200711122244.lACMijHL019663@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi team

 

Access 2003

 

I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB 

 

Then looping through the rs object and populating temp tables with the results -
Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display

 

This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it is possible to cut
out the middle man - 

 

I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a continuous form with the
various results straight from the rs object

 

EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from tblAccounts may return
say.10 records each with 3 fields of data

 

How then do I get these results from the rs object in code into a continuous
form without populating a temp table first?

 

Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is using a temp table
perfectly reasonable?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Have a great day

 

Darren

 

 



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Nov 12 16:51:58 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:51:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <006101c8257e$a1d00250$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Have you tried decompiling the database? 

Doug 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error

Well, it's strange to me, anyway.

When I compile my code using the Debug|Compile menu options, I get no
errors.  I have one procedure, however, which throws a compile error - not a
runtime error - when I try to execute it.  The code for that procedure is
self-contained, with no calls to any other procedures.  I'm scratching my
head on this one.  I suspect some sort of corruption, but don't know quite
where to go looking or how to resolve.  

Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray


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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Mon Nov 12 17:09:10 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:09:10 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
In-Reply-To: <006101c8257e$a1d00250$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
	<006101c8257e$a1d00250$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F12A@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Doug,

I did try that, to no avail.  I think I'll try Susan's suggestion and
see what I get. 

Thanks!

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange compile error

Have you tried decompiling the database? 

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray,
Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error

Well, it's strange to me, anyway.

When I compile my code using the Debug|Compile menu options, I get no
errors.  I have one procedure, however, which throws a compile error -
not a
runtime error - when I try to execute it.  The code for that procedure
is
self-contained, with no calls to any other procedures.  I'm scratching
my
head on this one.  I suspect some sort of corruption, but don't know
quite
where to go looking or how to resolve.  

Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray


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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Mon Nov 12 17:44:28 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:44:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
In-Reply-To: <003501c8257c$58695690$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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	<003501c8257c$58695690$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F1AA@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Sheesh, I'm an idiot.

Didn't notice that the procedure was part of a form's code module.
Moved it to its own module, and all's well.  Still, I didn't expect a
compile error when trying to invoke a form level procedure in the
immediate window, or should I?  Seems like I've done that before and
gotten a different error that was a bit more descriptive.

Ah well, thanks for the ideas, nonetheless . . .

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange compile error

>
> Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

======I'd copy the procedure to a Word file, delete it from the module,
and 
compile. Then copy the procedure back, and recompile.

Susan H. 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 12 17:49:29 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:49:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFCC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com><00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFCC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D40@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Oooooh!  You'd better duck.  I swing a mean cane!! LOL

Charlotte  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?


Nah, I think she meant it is soooo ooold only Charlotte is old enough to
remember. <ducking> Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:54 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Susan,

You give me more credit than I deserve.  I don't even work with DAO
recordsets any more, so my memory is failing.  I suspect a forward only
type will do this, but can't remember for sure.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 12:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?

Oh my... this is an old one Arthur -- so old, I can't even remember the
exact cure -- I think it has to do with the type of cursor. I wrote
about it years ago, I'll see if I can find the article. Charlotte will
know. Maybe she'll see this.

Susan H.




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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 17:50:37 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:50:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pass a recordset as parameter
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711121550n544e108el979a352d1678450e@mail.gmail.com>

Can one pass a recordset as a parameter to a function. I guess I could write
a quick tester to determine this, but I'm in the middle of something else.
If I could do this, I could seriously simplify some hairy code that I
inherited.

Just as an aside and casual invitation to start another lengthy debate, all
this inherited code is based on dynamically building SQL statements using
the values contained in a recordset. A typical example would be:

            sDocMemo = sDocMemo _
                & " is too close to the pinch point.  It is " &
Nz(rsLCData!DisToPinchPoint1, 0) _
                & " millimetres away and should be at least " _
                & Nz(rsLCData!DsPP1_ShouldBe, 0) & " millimetres away from
the Pinch Point." _
                & "  " & sBlankedBeamsText

Oh God, I hate this style of coding. It makes me crazy. It may work but even
with the logical line breaks it's hard as hell to read (or maybe I'm just
getting too old for this business.

There are a bunch of text-assembly blocks like this all stuck into one huge
(1000+ lines) procedure. My plan is to break each text-assembly chunk out
into a function that accepts a recordset as a parameter and builds the
string and returns it. If I can't pass the recordset, then I'll grab its
values and pass those instead, and break this 1000-liner into about 20
5-liners (or less lines per function), which fetch the text from a table and
then whose content uses a syntax like this:

The ///LCPosition1/// light curtain is too close to the pinch point. It is
///DisToPinchPoint1/// millimetres away and should be at least
///DsPP1_ShouldBe///  millimetres away from the Pinch Point.

The given function will use Replace() to find the triple-shlash-delimited
insertion-points and replace them with the passed parameters, then return
the string.

Anyone see any problems with this approach?

TIA,
Arthur


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 17:52:31 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:52:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
In-Reply-To: <200711122244.lACMijHL019663@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200711122244.lACMijHL019663@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711121552xa066b03wcd094da4192a705d@mail.gmail.com>

Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or view and use it
as the record source?

A.

On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi team
>
>
>
> Access 2003
>
>
>
> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>
>
>
> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp tables with the
> results -
> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>
>
>
> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it is possible to
> cut
> out the middle man -
>
>
>
> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a continuous form with
> the
> various results straight from the rs object
>
>
>
> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from tblAccounts may
> return
> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>
>
>
> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code into a
> continuous
> form without populating a temp table first?
>
>
>
> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is using a temp table
> perfectly reasonable?
>
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
>
>
> Have a great day
>
>
>
> Darren
>
>
>
>
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov 12 18:06:46 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:46 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711121552xa066b03wcd094da4192a705d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200711130006.lAD06tAA029982@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Arthur 

This sounds very efficient - Cool

Now the tricky bit...

How do I 'bind' a continuous form in access 2003 (NOT ADP) to a SPROC or view in
SQL SVR?

Thanks

Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 10:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form

Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or view and use it
as the record source?

A.

On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi team
>
>
>
> Access 2003
>
>
>
> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>
>
>
> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp tables with the
> results -
> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>
>
>
> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it is possible to
> cut
> out the middle man -
>
>
>
> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a continuous form with
> the
> various results straight from the rs object
>
>
>
> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from tblAccounts may
> return
> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>
>
>
> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code into a
> continuous
> form without populating a temp table first?
>
>
>
> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is using a temp table
> perfectly reasonable?
>
>
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
>
>
> Have a great day
>
>
>
> Darren
>
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 18:23:50 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:23:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
Message-ID: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list box
based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and retain
trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning with
R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name beginning
with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
 
Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
string?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


From pcs at azizaz.com  Mon Nov 12 18:26:45 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:26:45 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
Message-ID: <20071113102645.DHJ48961@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Darren,
Try:

Set Forms(strFrm).Recordset = rs

where rs is the recordset you have created and strForm is a
string variable holding the name of your Form 

Regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:46 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi Arthur 
>
>This sounds very efficient - Cool
>
>Now the tricky bit...
>
>How do I 'bind' a continuous form in access 2003 (NOT ADP) to
a SPROC or view in
>SQL SVR?
>
>Thanks
>
>Darren
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 10:53 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form
>
>Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or
view and use it
>as the record source?
>
>A.
>
>On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hi team
>>
>>
>>
>> Access 2003
>>
>>
>>
>> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>>
>>
>>
>> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp
tables with the
>> results -
>> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>>
>>
>>
>> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it
is possible to
>> cut
>> out the middle man -
>>
>>
>>
>> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a
continuous form with
>> the
>> various results straight from the rs object
>>
>>
>>
>> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from
tblAccounts may
>> return
>> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>>
>>
>>
>> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code
into a
>> continuous
>> form without populating a temp table first?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is
using a temp table
>> perfectly reasonable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a great day
>>
>>
>>
>> Darren
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 18:30:16 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:30:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] recordset count = -1?
References: <29f585dd0711121146q112b7cf2x652e9a61aaba5069@mail.gmail.com><00db01c82568$0111f640$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D2B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFCC@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <005f01c8258d$3eacaf20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OH NO YOU DON'T!!!!!!!! ;) 

I think Charlotte's about my age -- so be careful there! ;) 

Susan H. 


> 
> Nah, I think she meant it is soooo ooold only Charlotte is old enough to
> remember. <ducking>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 18:51:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:51:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
References: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A1147F076@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <00b901c8258f$5455f690$6c7aa8c0@M90>

decompile it, then compile it, compact and repair 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Strange compile error

Well, it's strange to me, anyway.

When I compile my code using the Debug|Compile menu options, I get no
errors.  I have one procedure, however, which throws a compile error - not a
runtime error - when I try to execute it.  The code for that procedure is
self-contained, with no calls to any other procedures.  I'm scratching my
head on this one.  I suspect some sort of corruption, but don't know quite
where to go looking or how to resolve.  

Can anybody suggest a solution - or a starting point?

Thanks!

Don McGillivray


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 12 18:52:58 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:52:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pass a recordset as parameter
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711121550n544e108el979a352d1678450e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711121550n544e108el979a352d1678450e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ba01c8258f$898624c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Yes, you can.  You can pass pretty much anything except a custom data type. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 6:51 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Pass a recordset as parameter

Can one pass a recordset as a parameter to a function. I guess I could write
a quick tester to determine this, but I'm in the middle of something else.
If I could do this, I could seriously simplify some hairy code that I
inherited.

Just as an aside and casual invitation to start another lengthy debate, all
this inherited code is based on dynamically building SQL statements using
the values contained in a recordset. A typical example would be:

            sDocMemo = sDocMemo _
                & " is too close to the pinch point.  It is " &
Nz(rsLCData!DisToPinchPoint1, 0) _
                & " millimetres away and should be at least " _
                & Nz(rsLCData!DsPP1_ShouldBe, 0) & " millimetres away from
the Pinch Point." _
                & "  " & sBlankedBeamsText

Oh God, I hate this style of coding. It makes me crazy. It may work but even
with the logical line breaks it's hard as hell to read (or maybe I'm just
getting too old for this business.

There are a bunch of text-assembly blocks like this all stuck into one huge
(1000+ lines) procedure. My plan is to break each text-assembly chunk out
into a function that accepts a recordset as a parameter and builds the
string and returns it. If I can't pass the recordset, then I'll grab its
values and pass those instead, and break this 1000-liner into about 20
5-liners (or less lines per function), which fetch the text from a table and
then whose content uses a syntax like this:

The ///LCPosition1/// light curtain is too close to the pinch point. It is
///DisToPinchPoint1/// millimetres away and should be at least
///DsPP1_ShouldBe///  millimetres away from the Pinch Point.

The given function will use Replace() to find the triple-shlash-delimited
insertion-points and replace them with the passed parameters, then return
the string.

Anyone see any problems with this approach?

TIA,
Arthur
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 12 18:58:35 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:58:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky,
the list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping
keystrokes, make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

Dear List:
 
I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list
box based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and
retain trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for
example, he presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those
beginning with R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all
the name beginning with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing
blank.
 
Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
string?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 12 19:47:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:47:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from the
Change event of the text box.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky, the
list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping keystrokes,
make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

Dear List:
 
I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list box
based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and retain
trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning with
R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name beginning
with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
 
Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
string?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From thewaddles at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 12 20:28:40 2007
From: thewaddles at sbcglobal.net (Kevin Waddle)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 18:28:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Access to Outlook
In-Reply-To: <000b01c82579$ad1e6520$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000b01c82579$ad1e6520$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <014601c8259c$e82872f0$6600a8c0@TheWaddles>

Susan,
I built a sample table...
	tblContacts
		ID
		Full Name
		Company
		File As
		E-mail
		Phone

...and added the following code:
	Function to add reference to Outlook2003
	Function to loop through tblContacts and add to Contacts in Outlook
	Sub to call the Functions

Seems to work OK for me.

HTH,
Kevin

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Function AddRefOutlook() As Boolean
    'Add a reference to Outlook 2003
    Dim strRef                               As String
    Dim ref                                  As Reference
    strRef = "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office11\msoutl.olb"
'My Office install in on my G drive
    'strRef = "G:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office11\msoutl.olb"

    On Error GoTo ErrorOnDLL

    Set ref = References.AddFromFile(strRef)

    Exit Function
ErrorOnDLL:
    'If the reference is already there then...
    If Err.Number = 32813 Then
        '...do something
Debug.Print "reference is already there"
AddRefOutlook = True
    Else
Debug.Print Err.Number & " " & Err.Description
AddRefOutlook = False
    End If

End Function

Function AddContacts()
    '---------
    'Must set reference to Outlook library
    '---------
    Dim rst                                  As New ADODB.Recordset
    Dim cnn                                  As New ADODB.Connection
    Dim ol                                   As New Outlook.Application
    Dim olns                                 As Outlook.NameSpace
    Dim fldContacts                          As Outlook.MAPIFolder
    Dim itms                                 As Outlook.Items
    Dim cf                                   As Object

    Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
    Set ol = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
    Set olns = ol.GetNamespace("MAPI")
    ' Which folder is the contacts list in?
    Set fldContacts = olns.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts)
    Set itms = fldContacts.Items

    rst.Open "tblContacts", cnn
    rst.MoveFirst
    Do While Not rst.EOF
        Set cf = itms.Add("IPM.Contact")
        With cf
            .FullName = rst.Fields(1).Value
            .CompanyName = rst.Fields(2).Value
            .FileAs = rst.Fields(3).Value
            .Email1Address = rst.Fields(4).Value
            If Not IsNull(rst.Fields(5).Value) Then
                .PrimaryTelephoneNumber = rst.Fields(5).Value
            End If
            .Save
        End With
        Set cf = Nothing
        rst.MoveNext
    Loop

    Set ol = Nothing
    Set olns = Nothing
    Set fldContacts = Nothing
    Set itms = Nothing

End Function

Sub Test()
    Dim x                                    As Variant
    x = AddRefOutlook
    x = AddContacts
End Sub
 


Famous Last Words:  'This should be easy...'

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 2:16 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access to Outlook

I posted the following code on the tech list this weekend, but so far
haven't resolved the problem I'm having. I'm trying to send Access values to
Outlook as a new contact. The   Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact") statement
returns a can't set object variable error. 

Susan H. 




Function SendContactsToOutlook()

  Dim rst As New ADODB.Recordset
  Dim cnn As New ADODB.Connection
  '---------
  'Must set reference to Outlook library
  '---------
  Dim itms As Outlook.Items
  Dim itm As Outlook.ContactItem
  Set cnn = CurrentProject.Connection
  rst.Open "tblContacts", cnn

  'Outlook Folder name is hardcoded
  
  Set itm = itms.Add("IPM.Contact")
  
  With itm
    .CustomerID = Nz(rst!CustomerID)
    .FirstName = Nz(rst!FirstName)
    .LastName = Nz(rst!LastName)
    .Department = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Birthday = Nz(rst!Department)
    .Close (olSave)
    'DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
  End With
  

   
  
  Set rst = Nothing
  Set cnn = Nothing
  Set itms = Nothing
  Set itm = Nothing
  
End Function
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 04:37:36 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:37:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes
Message-ID: <00d101c825e1$357b9520$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I ran across this this morning.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/scripts/Miscellaneous/31997/

I have not tested it yet but thought that someone might find it useful.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 13 05:44:33 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:44:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes
Message-ID: <s7399c43.029@cactus.dk>

Hi John

Thanks!
But what should the purpose be? Building a middle-tier?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-11-2007 11:37 >>>
I ran across this this morning.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/scripts/Miscellaneous/31997/ 

I have not tested it yet but thought that someone might find it useful.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 06:13:55 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:13:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes
In-Reply-To: <s7399c43.029@cactus.dk>
References: <s7399c43.029@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00d901c825ee$a9cb0d40$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Gustav,

The purpose should be automated building of classes from tables.  How many
times I have wished for such a thing for Access (in fact built one myself
and then lost it 8~( 

As for what to do with it... well suppose you had a table with 700 plus
fields and you wanted to do something with that table that was difficult to
do with SQL directly.  You therefore need to import the data into classes so
that you can programmatically manipulate the data...  Before you can even
begin you have to write a class with get/let and variable dim statements in
the top of the class...  How many days would it take you to write that one
class?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes

Hi John

Thanks!
But what should the purpose be? Building a middle-tier?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-11-2007 11:37 >>>
I ran across this this morning.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/scripts/Miscellaneous/31997/ 

I have not tested it yet but thought that someone might find it useful.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 13 06:53:51 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:53:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
Message-ID: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters>

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

http://submain.com/?nav=products.guidelines





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 06:53:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:53:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
Message-ID: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have tables of information about people.  The tables represent polls that
people have taken, so if a person takes a poll about brands of cigarettes
smoked, the table would have a record about that person for that poll.  If
that same person took a poll about software used, the table would have a NEW
record with information about the same person, but about the software that
person used.  And so forth and so on.  Now I need to "roll up" all of the
information about a person into a single record so that one record contains
all of the information about that person contained in all of the records
about that person in the table.

Is this possible directly in SQL?  Do I need to write code to iterate
through the table finding each person and all the records for that person,
and then consolidating the information from the second and subsequent
records into the first record found?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 07:20:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:20:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 13 07:37:38 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:37:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 07:52:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:52:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL, well... it goes in bursts.  Critical mass is one of those strange
things where people have to sign up and use it in order for others to
observe that it is use and sign up and use it so that others observe that it
is used.  

I do think that more and more of our AccessD members are trying out the .Net
stuff and so hopefully we will gain critical mass someday.  It won't happen
without YOUR support however.  

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 08:11:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:11:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation
Message-ID: <00ea01c825ff$0cfb67b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I installed Office 2007 on a server where I already had Office 2003
installed.  I use Office 2003 (specifically Excel) on that machine quite a
bit.  this morning I just double clicked on a spreadsheet and it was loaded
in Excel 2007 (Office 2007 apparently replaced my file type mappings).  I
checked the task manager memory usage and it was 20.6 mb for Excel with that
specific spreadsheet.  I then closed Excel 2007, opened Excel 2003 and then
loaded the same spreadsheet.  The memory usage was 10.5 mb.  

And BTW, there was no noticeable delay switching between the two versions,
nor did it request a disk etc.  I will do more testing on that subject later
when the server isn't working heavily on SQL Server stuff.

John W. Colby
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Nov 13 08:54:27 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 20:24:27 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB2459
	7D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local> 
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00c901c82605$35a1fe80$6c57a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    You wish to trap the trailing spaces in a text box, while using its contents for applying filter. This calls for certain special measures as trailing spaces (if any) get lost while exiting the text box.

    Sample code in form's module, as given below, demonstrates application of filter on a subform, duly taking into account the contents of text box (including trailing spaces if any) located on the parent form.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample code in form's module
Txt1 is the name of text box where criteria string is
entered. SF_Sub is the name of control holding the
subform. Clicking command button named CmdFilter
applies filter on subform records - duly taking into
account the trailing blanks (if any) in text box Txt1
PCode is the name of field on which filter is applied.
'=================================
' Declarations section
Private RefTxt As String
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdFilter_Click()
    With Me.SF_Sub.Form
        .Filter = "PCode Like '" & RefTxt & "*'"
        .FilterOn = True
    End With
End Sub
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Txt1_Change()
    RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
End Sub
'--------------------------------------------------

Private Sub Txt1_Enter()
    RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
End Sub
'=================================



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 07:17
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


  It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
  setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from the
  Change event of the text box.

  Rocky

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

  What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky, the
  list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping keystrokes,
  make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

  Charlotte Foust

  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
  Beach Access Software
  Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
  Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

  Dear List:
   
  I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list box
  based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and retain
  trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
  presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning with
  R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name beginning
  with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
   
  Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
  string?
   
  MTIA
   
  Rocky


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 13 09:08:59 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:08:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, well... it goes in bursts.  Critical mass is one of those strange
things where people have to sign up and use it in order for others to
observe that it is use and sign up and use it so that others observe that it
is used.  

I do think that more and more of our AccessD members are trying out the .Net
stuff and so hopefully we will gain critical mass someday.  It won't happen
without YOUR support however.  

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 09:11:50 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:11:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation
References: <00ea01c825ff$0cfb67b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <007a01c82607$85a32fb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Hi John,

In your tests, try using the Common Dialog or OpenFileName API
to open any version prior to Access 2007. Then use Start ... Run.
That should be an interesting excursion.

The explanation I've read for this is that the ProgID is unchanged
between versions and therefore resolves to 2007.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

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From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:11 AM
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation


>I installed Office 2007 on a server where I already had Office 2003
> installed.  I use Office 2003 (specifically Excel) on that machine quite a
> bit.  this morning I just double clicked on a spreadsheet and it was 
> loaded
> in Excel 2007 (Office 2007 apparently replaced my file type mappings).  I
> checked the task manager memory usage and it was 20.6 mb for Excel with 
> that
> specific spreadsheet.  I then closed Excel 2007, opened Excel 2003 and 
> then
> loaded the same spreadsheet.  The memory usage was 10.5 mb.
>
> And BTW, there was no noticeable delay switching between the two versions,
> nor did it request a disk etc.  I will do more testing on that subject 
> later
> when the server isn't working heavily on SQL Server stuff.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 09:24:41 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:24:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 So what does the resulting filter look like?  Have you tried replacing
a " " with a Space(1)?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from
the Change event of the text box.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky,
the list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping
keystrokes, make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

Charlotte Foust




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 09:30:57 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:30:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes
In-Reply-To: <00d901c825ee$a9cb0d40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <s7399c43.029@cactus.dk> <00d901c825ee$a9cb0d40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D50@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You also use such classes to enforce business rules in the data tier
rather than having to code them into the UI.  We use such classes for
virtually all interaction with the data, bind our forms, reports and
controls to the classes, etc.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes

Gustav,

The purpose should be automated building of classes from tables.  How
many times I have wished for such a thing for Access (in fact built one
myself and then lost it 8~( 

As for what to do with it... well suppose you had a table with 700 plus
fields and you wanted to do something with that table that was difficult
to do with SQL directly.  You therefore need to import the data into
classes so that you can programmatically manipulate the data...  Before
you can even begin you have to write a class with get/let and variable
dim statements in the top of the class...  How many days would it take
you to write that one class?

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SP to create C# classes

Hi John

Thanks!
But what should the purpose be? Building a middle-tier?

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-11-2007 11:37 >>>
I ran across this this morning.

http://www.sqlservercentral.com/scripts/Miscellaneous/31997/ 

I have not tested it yet but thought that someone might find it useful.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 09:33:11 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:33:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation
In-Reply-To: <00ea01c825ff$0cfb67b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00ea01c825ff$0cfb67b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Interesting, John.  I didn't try it with Excel, since I replaced all the
Office apps except Access with the 2007 version, and believe me, that
one runs the installer.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 6:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] An Excel 2007 Observation

I installed Office 2007 on a server where I already had Office 2003
installed.  I use Office 2003 (specifically Excel) on that machine quite
a bit.  this morning I just double clicked on a spreadsheet and it was
loaded in Excel 2007 (Office 2007 apparently replaced my file type
mappings).  I checked the task manager memory usage and it was 20.6 mb
for Excel with that specific spreadsheet.  I then closed Excel 2007,
opened Excel 2003 and then loaded the same spreadsheet.  The memory
usage was 10.5 mb.  

And BTW, there was no noticeable delay switching between the two
versions, nor did it request a disk etc.  I will do more testing on that
subject later when the server isn't working heavily on SQL Server stuff.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 09:44:34 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 07:44:34 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r.  There are
actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria to the row source
of the list box.  I do this four times adding Where clauses to the row
source:

    If Me.txtFirstNameFilter <> "" Then
        If InStr(1, lstGoTo.RowSource, "WHERE ") <> 0 Then
            Me.lstGoTo.RowSource = Me.lstGoTo.RowSource & " AND "
        Else
            Me.lstGoTo.RowSource = Me.lstGoTo.RowSource & " WHERE "
        End If
        
        Me.lstGoTo.RowSource = Me.lstGoTo.RowSource _
            & "tblPersonSearch.FirstName Like '" & Me.txtFirstNameFilter &
"*'"
    End If

Each of the four text boxes has a change event which calls the subroutine
SetSelectNameRowSource from which the above snip was taken.  

I put a message box in to see what was getting to the sub from the change
event:

MsgBox "*" & Nz(Me.txtLastNameFilter) & "*"

By the time the sub opens the trailing blank has been stripped.

Rocky
  




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

 So what does the resulting filter look like?  Have you tried replacing a "
" with a Space(1)?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 5:47 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from the
Change event of the text box.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky, the
list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping keystrokes,
make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

Charlotte Foust


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 09:58:08 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:58:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>

This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in the
database itself. You can't store "aaaa   " in a column. Access will trim it.
So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls, isn't
it?

A.

On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r.  There
> are
> actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria to the row
> source
> of the list box.  I do this four times adding Where clauses to the row
> source:
>
>


From accessd at vftt.co.uk  Tue Nov 13 10:04:41 2007
From: accessd at vftt.co.uk (Pete Phillipps)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:04:41 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Test
In-Reply-To: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <037401c8260e$ea6b7e50$0301a8c0@kilchoan>

Test - ignore 

Pete Phillipps


From accessd at vftt.co.uk  Tue Nov 13 10:05:29 2007
From: accessd at vftt.co.uk (Pete Phillipps)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:05:29 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Test 2
In-Reply-To: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <037501c8260f$07e7dd20$0301a8c0@kilchoan>

Test 2 - ignore again

Pete Phillipps


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 10:12:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:12:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c8260f$f7fb5df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Only natural.  So now I'm faced with the problem of committing an unnatural
act.  Any ideas?  Programming, that is.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:58 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in the
database itself. You can't store "aaaa   " in a column. Access will trim it.
So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls, isn't
it?

A.

On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r.  
> There are actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria to 
> the row source of the list box.  I do this four times adding Where 
> clauses to the row
> source:
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 10:13:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:13:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000201c82610$15da7630$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, well... it goes in bursts.  Critical mass is one of those strange
things where people have to sign up and use it in order for others to
observe that it is use and sign up and use it so that others observe that it
is used.  

I do think that more and more of our AccessD members are trying out the .Net
stuff and so hopefully we will gain critical mass someday.  It won't happen
without YOUR support however.  

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about .Net.



John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

http://submain.com/?nav=products.guidelines



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 10:25:57 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:25:57 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005> 
	<29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl>


Rocky,

It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

CODE START
Dim SpaceCheck
Dim Length
Dim TrimLength
Dim FinalString
FinalString = Me!Text0
Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
SpaceCheck = 0
Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
Loop
SKIP:
MsgBox FinalString & "test"
CODE END

> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:58:08 -0500
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in the
> database itself. You can't store "aaaa " in a column. Access will trim it.
> So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls, isn't
> it?
>
> A.
>
> On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
> wrote:
>>
>> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r. There
>> are
>> actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria to the row
>> source
>> of the list box. I do this four times adding Where clauses to the row
>> source:
>>
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 10:28:27 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:28:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <006c01c8260f$f7fb5df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com>
	<006c01c8260f$f7fb5df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711130828p495da587t5cd69a5e1d82008d@mail.gmail.com>

I re-read the thread from the top, and afaics the only thing you can do is
"empower" the user with a little education. Otherwise, you have a
significant problem enabling the user to enter "r " plus some other filter.
If you allow the user to enter "r *" then you'll get the effect you desire,
I think.

A.

On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Only natural.  So now I'm faced with the problem of committing an
> unnatural
> act.  Any ideas?  Programming, that is.
>
> Rocky
>


From accessd at vftt.co.uk  Tue Nov 13 10:31:30 2007
From: accessd at vftt.co.uk (Pete Phillipps)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:31:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Test 4
In-Reply-To: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <038301c82612$a8d0eb70$0301a8c0@kilchoan>

Test 4 - ignore

Pete Phillipps


From accessd at vftt.co.uk  Tue Nov 13 10:33:35 2007
From: accessd at vftt.co.uk (Pete Phillipps)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:33:35 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Test 5
In-Reply-To: <015201c81fa8$dc29c1b0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAG/lIk3cKxOubBqh/goLXnCgAAAEAAAABYC3LEpTXlJv74JeuC94qgBAAAAAA==@vftt.co.uk>

Yet another test  -just ignore me fo now :-)

Pete Phillipps


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 10:41:06 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:41:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <000201c82610$15da7630$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90><002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<000201c82610$15da7630$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D59@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Hah!  I'm still trying for that after 2 years of DOING it!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, well... it goes in bursts.  Critical mass is one of those strange
things where people have to sign up and use it in order for others to
observe that it is use and sign up and use it so that others observe
that it is used.  

I do think that more and more of our AccessD members are trying out the
.Net stuff and so hopefully we will gain critical mass someday.  It
won't happen without YOUR support however.  

;-) 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

I used to be signed up for that list, but there was almost no traffic on
it.
Has that changed recently?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:20 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Thanks Dan.  You should post this to the VB list since it really about
.Net.



John W. Colby
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

VB City is offering a free download (100 pages) of coding guidelines.

http://submain.com/?nav=products.guidelines



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 10:45:04 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:45:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
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Arthur:

Yes, it will do wild cards.  I'll see if that is a practical compromise.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

I re-read the thread from the top, and afaics the only thing you can do is
"empower" the user with a little education. Otherwise, you have a
significant problem enabling the user to enter "r " plus some other filter.
If you allow the user to enter "r *" then you'll get the effect you desire,
I think.

A.

On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Only natural.  So now I'm faced with the problem of committing an 
> unnatural act.  Any ideas?  Programming, that is.
>
> Rocky
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 10:48:38 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
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Mark:

I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting trimmed
from the string before I get hold of it.  I may have to use key trapping to
see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to the string during
the row source update.

Regards,

Rocky





 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


Rocky,

It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something like
(code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

CODE START
Dim SpaceCheck
Dim Length
Dim TrimLength
Dim FinalString
FinalString = Me!Text0
Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
SpaceCheck = 0
Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
Loop
SKIP:
MsgBox FinalString & "test"
CODE END

> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:58:08 -0500
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in 
> the database itself. You can't store "aaaa " in a column. Access will trim
it.
> So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls, 
> isn't it?
>
> A.
>
> On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> wrote:
>>
>> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r. 
>> There are actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria 
>> to the row source of the list box. I do this four times adding Where 
>> clauses to the row
>> source:
>>
>>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 10:54:05 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:54:05 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Rocky,

I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces where passed to the code.

Good luck,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting trimmed
> from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use key trapping to
> see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to the string during
> the row source update.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something like
> (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> CODE START
> Dim SpaceCheck
> Dim Length
> Dim TrimLength
> Dim FinalString
> FinalString = Me!Text0
> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
> If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
> SpaceCheck = 0
> Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
> FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
> SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
> Loop
> SKIP:
> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
> CODE END
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:58:08 -0500
>> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> This does not strike me as surprising, since the same thing happens in
>> the database itself. You can't store "aaaa " in a column. Access will trim
> it.
>> So it's only natural that it would do the same for its form controls,
>> isn't it?
>>
>> A.
>>
>> On 11/13/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> if I key in r and then a space the resulting filter is just an r.
>>> There are actually four text boxes like that which can add criteria
>>> to the row source of the list box. I do this four times adding Where
>>> clauses to the row
>>> source:
>>>
>>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 11:05:56 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W7EA8590762A91C2F6C1B4D2800@phx.gbl>
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Mark:

My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the blank is
already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has pressed the
space bar.  I'm updating the row source after every keystroke.  Your code
seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the trailing blanks.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


Rocky,

I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is
below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I
placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces where
passed to the code.

Good luck,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting 
> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use key 
> trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to 
> the string during the row source update.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something 
> like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> CODE START
> Dim SpaceCheck
> Dim Length
> Dim TrimLength
> Dim FinalString
> FinalString = Me!Text0
> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
> If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
> SpaceCheck = 0
> Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
> FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
> SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
> Loop
> SKIP:
> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
> CODE END
>



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 11:15:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:15:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D59@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90><002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters><000201c82610$15da7630$6c7aa8c0@M90>
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Yea, but you were still trying to be an Access programmer after how many
years?  Then you gave up and moved on to .Net!

;-) 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Hah!  I'm still trying for that after 2 years of DOING it!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 11:17:58 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:17:58 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  From Access to Hosted site???
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Hello All,

I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand.  Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house.  I want to have it hosted somewhere.  Here is what it does.

1.  check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
2.  gets ftp file
3.  unzips file
4.  imports file
LOOP HERE
5.  runs SQL against import
6.  concantenates results of sql into string
7.  emails string
END LOOP

Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)

At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).

If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?

I'm really lost at this point.  I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"

I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan.  I don't know where to start.

Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Again,

Mark A. Matte






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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 11:21:38 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:21:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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	<007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Rocky,

Yes the code impies that...kinda...lol.  the following is true on the BeforeUpdate

>> Me!Text0.Text has the trailing spaces
>> Me!Text0  does NOT have trailing spaces

Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the blank is
> already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has pressed the
> space bar. I'm updating the row source after every keystroke. Your code
> seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the trailing blanks.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is
> below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I
> placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces where
> passed to the code.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark
>
>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting
>> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use key
>> trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to
>> the string during the row source update.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something
>> like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>> CODE START
>> Dim SpaceCheck
>> Dim Length
>> Dim TrimLength
>> Dim FinalString
>> FinalString = Me!Text0
>> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
>> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
>> If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
>> SpaceCheck = 0
>> Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
>> FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
>> SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
>> Loop
>> SKIP:
>> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
>> CODE END
>>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 11:25:02 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:25:02 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W7EA8590762A91C2F6C1B4D2800@phx.gbl> 
	<007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W15714877579736BBA5E8E2D2800@phx.gbl>


Ok...I feel kinda silly now...after reading my last response...why not ignore all the funky loop thing I did and just:
(Again on the BeforeUpdate)
Dim FinalString
FinalString = Me!Text0.Text
MsgBox FinalString & "test"

I think we try to make this complicated.

Good Luck,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the blank is
> already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has pressed the
> space bar. I'm updating the row source after every keystroke. Your code
> seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the trailing blanks.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is
> below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I
> placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces where
> passed to the code.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark
>
>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting
>> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use key
>> trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it manually to
>> the string during the row source update.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using something
>> like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>> CODE START
>> Dim SpaceCheck
>> Dim Length
>> Dim TrimLength
>> Dim FinalString
>> FinalString = Me!Text0
>> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
>> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text))
>> If Length = TrimLength Then GoTo SKIP
>> SpaceCheck = 0
>> Do Until SpaceCheck = Length
>> FinalString = FinalString & Chr(32)
>> SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString)
>> Loop
>> SKIP:
>> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
>> CODE END
>>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 11:25:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:25:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query builder
Message-ID: <001201c8261a$24ba3f50$6c7aa8c0@M90>

My client is asking if there is a tool I can buy to make me more productive
in building the queries for the analysis he is asking me to do.  Just a
quick Google of "SQL Server query generator"  gets me these:

http://www.querytool.com/?gclid=COXT2a-i2o8CFQNlHgodhSWX1Q
http://sqlmanager.net/products/tools/querybuilder
http://www.activequerybuilder.com/

Has anyone ever used any of these or have any recommendations for other
tools like these?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 13 11:28:57 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:28:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <000e01c82618$d89e4220$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90><002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters><000201c82610$15da7630$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D59@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<000e01c82618$d89e4220$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D5D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Hmmn....

        If Me.DataBindings.ToString = "John Colby" Then
            Me.DataBindings.Clear()
        End If

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Yea, but you were still trying to be an Access programmer after how many
years?  Then you gave up and moved on to .Net!

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Hah!  I'm still trying for that after 2 years of DOING it!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 13 11:30:06 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:30:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W4545FF66298B2BA0F8F023D2800@phx.gbl>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl><007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W7EA8590762A91C2F6C1B4D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W4545FF66298B2BA0F8F023D2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008801c8261a$d661fbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Mark:

I've been doing VBA long enough not to ask for sense.  Just consistency.
Let me try it again with .Text.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


Rocky,

Yes the code impies that...kinda...lol.  the following is true on the
BeforeUpdate

>> Me!Text0.Text has the trailing spaces Me!Text0  does NOT have 
>> trailing spaces

Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Mark

> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the 
> blank is already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has 
> pressed the space bar. I'm updating the row source after every 
> keystroke. Your code seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the
trailing blanks.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is 
> below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I 
> placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces 
> where passed to the code.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark
>
>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting 
>> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use 
>> key trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it 
>> manually to the string during the row source update.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using 
>> something like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>> CODE START
>> Dim SpaceCheck
>> Dim Length
>> Dim TrimLength
>> Dim FinalString
>> FinalString = Me!Text0
>> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
>> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text)) If Length = TrimLength Then 
>> GoTo SKIP SpaceCheck = 0 Do Until SpaceCheck = Length FinalString = 
>> FinalString & Chr(32) SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString) Loop
>> SKIP:
>> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
>> CODE END
>>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 11:42:28 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:42:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <008801c8261a$d661fbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl><007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W7EA8590762A91C2F6C1B4D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007e01c82617$767a77e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W4545FF66298B2BA0F8F023D2800@phx.gbl> 
	<008801c8261a$d661fbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W437A4B56C17EE0B1E6D8FAD2800@phx.gbl>


Lately I have been making much sense and confusing myself...and others...so it was more of a reference to me.


> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:30:06 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
> Mark:
>
> I've been doing VBA long enough not to ask for sense. Just consistency.
> Let me try it again with .Text.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:22 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> Yes the code impies that...kinda...lol. the following is true on the
> BeforeUpdate
>
>>> Me!Text0.Text has the trailing spaces Me!Text0 does NOT have
>>> trailing spaces
>
> Does that make sense?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
>
>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:05:56 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>> Mark:
>>
>> My debug statement shows that even in the Before Update event the
>> blank is already gone. So I still need a way to know if the user has
>> pressed the space bar. I'm updating the row source after every
>> keystroke. Your code seems to imply that at that point Text0 still has the
> trailing blanks.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:54 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> I can't see exactly what you are looking at...but in testing what is
>> below...I was losing the spaces when I left the text box...thats why I
>> placed the code on the before update...and in that case the spaces
>> where passed to the code.
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:48:38 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>>
>>> Mark:
>>>
>>> I'm not sure that will work because the space seems to be getting
>>> trimmed from the string before I get hold of it. I may have to use
>>> key trapping to see what key was pressed. And if blank add it
>>> manually to the string during the row source update.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
>>> Matte
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:26 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
>>>
>>>
>>> Rocky,
>>>
>>> It might be crude, but could you just force the string using
>>> something like (code below) on the BeforeUpdate of the text box?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mark A. Matte
>>>
>>> CODE START
>>> Dim SpaceCheck
>>> Dim Length
>>> Dim TrimLength
>>> Dim FinalString
>>> FinalString = Me!Text0
>>> Length = Len(Me!Text0.Text)
>>> TrimLength = Len(Trim(Me!Text0.Text)) If Length = TrimLength Then
>>> GoTo SKIP SpaceCheck = 0 Do Until SpaceCheck = Length FinalString =
>>> FinalString & Chr(32) SpaceCheck = Len(FinalString) Loop
>>> SKIP:
>>> MsgBox FinalString & "test"
>>> CODE END
>>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 11:49:01 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:49:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D5D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <001201c825f4$3dbb9290$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e501c825f7$e696a000$6c7aa8c0@M90><001b01c825fa$5b7f4be0$0200a8c0@danwaters><00e801c825fc$7ac9c910$6c7aa8c0@M90><002001c82607$1ec654c0$0200a8c0@danwaters><000201c82610$15da7630$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D59@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><000e01c82618$d89e4220$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D5D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001401c8261d$7b2b6e10$6c7aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.

	If me.value = "Charlotte" then
		me.PokeWithAStick
	endif

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Hmmn....

        If Me.DataBindings.ToString = "John Colby" Then
            Me.DataBindings.Clear()
        End If

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Yea, but you were still trying to be an Access programmer after how many
years?  Then you gave up and moved on to .Net!

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

Hah!  I'm still trying for that after 2 years of DOING it!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 8:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

LOL, maybe someday I'll be a .Net programmer too. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] VB.Net / C# Guidelines

OK - my support exists!  

Maybe someday I'll be a VB.Net programmer. ;-)

Dan

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Nov 13 11:49:53 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E2F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?  

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


Hello All,

I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand.  Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house.  I want to have it hosted somewhere.  Here is what it does.

1.  check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
2.  gets ftp file
3.  unzips file
4.  imports file
LOOP HERE
5.  runs SQL against import
6.  concantenates results of sql into string
7.  emails string
END LOOP

Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)

At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).

If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?

I'm really lost at this point.  I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"

I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan.  I don't know where to start.

Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Again,

Mark A. Matte






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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Nov 13 11:50:42 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <046f01c8261d$b5c60620$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Mark:

If you're looking at running this on a hosted site, then you'll probably
require a provider that offers a virtual private server or a dedicated
server. Prices (and service) varies widely, but if you need to actually
install and schedule an access app, this is the way you'll probably need to
go. 

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


Hello All,

I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without
this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time
to expand.  Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a
machine at my house.  I want to have it hosted somewhere.  Here is what it
does.

1.  check for file on FTP every 5 minutes 2.  gets ftp file 3.  unzips file
4.  imports file LOOP HERE 5.  runs SQL against import 6.  concantenates
results of sql into string 7.  emails string END LOOP

Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and
emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a
table)

At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need
to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my
house...and somewhere reliable).

If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I
would...or can I?

I'm really lost at this point.  I guess my question is..."To put this out on
a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate
and execute these tasks?"

I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need
to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan.  I don't know where to
start.

Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Again,

Mark A. Matte






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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 12:02:28 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:02:28 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <046f01c8261d$b5c60620$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703D4F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><006001c8260c$17ad3730$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711130758m22473902gd14ab6fffc084344@mail.gmail.com><BAY127-W310335D9C9E1C1CC920209D2800@phx.gbl>
	<007501c82615$0afd99e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl> 
	<046f01c8261d$b5c60620$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W19FD988008FEF0BB49B85ED2800@phx.gbl>


Larry,

The functionality is currently in Access.  If I can go this route and leave it in access...I probably will.  I am curious as to what other approaches listers would suggest.

Thanks for the advice.

Mark


> From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:50:42 -0600
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> Hi Mark:
>
> If you're looking at running this on a hosted site, then you'll probably
> require a provider that offers a virtual private server or a dedicated
> server. Prices (and service) varies widely, but if you need to actually
> install and schedule an access app, this is the way you'll probably need to
> go.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without
> this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time
> to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a
> machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it
> does.
>
> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes 2. gets ftp file 3. unzips file
> 4. imports file LOOP HERE 5. runs SQL against import 6. concantenates
> results of sql into string 7. emails string END LOOP
>
> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and
> emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a
> table)
>
> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need
> to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my
> house...and somewhere reliable).
>
> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I
> would...or can I?
>
> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on
> a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate
> and execute these tasks?"
>
> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need
> to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to
> start.
>
> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 12:11:55 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:11:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E2F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800@phx.gbl>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E2F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl>




Drew,

There are a few reasons:

1.  There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
2.  Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
3.  I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users.  But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>
> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
> 2. gets ftp file
> 3. unzips file
> 4. imports file
> LOOP HERE
> 5. runs SQL against import
> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
> 7. emails string
> END LOOP
>
> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>
> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>
> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>
> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>
> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>
> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 13 12:28:00 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:28:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Query builder
Message-ID: <s739fad2.047@cactus.dk>

Hi John

A more comprehensive query and reporting tool from our (previous?) member, Rudolf Vanek, is DBxtra:

  http://www.dbxtra.com/

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 13-11-2007 18:25 >>>
My client is asking if there is a tool I can buy to make me more productive
in building the queries for the analysis he is asking me to do.  Just a
quick Google of "SQL Server query generator"  gets me these:

http://www.querytool.com/?gclid=COXT2a-i2o8CFQNlHgodhSWX1Q 
http://sqlmanager.net/products/tools/querybuilder 
http://www.activequerybuilder.com/ 

Has anyone ever used any of these or have any recommendations for other
tools like these?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From robert at webedb.com  Tue Nov 13 13:23:51 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:23:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2979.1194976232.29181.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.2979.1194976232.29181.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200711131926.lADJQr2O016019@databaseadvisors.com>

I would use SQL Server, create a job, and schedule it to run every X minutes.
The question would be if the hosting company would let you email from the
SQL Server.

At 11:50 AM 11/13/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:17:58 +0000
>From: Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [AccessD]  From Access to Hosted site???
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <BAY127-W42F5063540A700941CD5BCD2800 at phx.gbl>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>Hello All,
>
>I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, 
>without this list I would have never got this thing to work as 
>is...but now its time to expand.  Currently, everything listed below 
>is done in access on a machine at my house.  I want to have it 
>hosted somewhere.  Here is what it does.
>
>1.  check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
>2.  gets ftp file
>3.  unzips file
>4.  imports file
>LOOP HERE
>5.  runs SQL against import
>6.  concantenates results of sql into string
>7.  emails string
>END LOOP
>
>Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs 
>and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are 
>stored in a table)
>
>At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I 
>just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted 
>site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>
>If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I 
>would...or can I?
>
>I'm really lost at this point.  I guess my question is..."To put 
>this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force 
>that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>
>I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I 
>need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan.  I don't know 
>where to start.
>
>Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks Again,
>
>Mark A. Matte
>




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 14:13:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:13:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] 4 Core cpu
Message-ID: <000401c82631$b1463340$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Does anyone out there have a quad core processor?  I am interested in how
the 4 cores work with SQL Server specifically.  I can tell you that moving
to a dual core made a huge difference in "response time" for allowing me to
do things simultaneously in SQL Server.  I am running a compact database (I
think / hope) and am also able to run queries, build indexes on other
databases etc.  I am just wondering how it looks with a quad core?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Nov 13 14:43:22 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).

Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup. (Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS mirrored drives).  I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that let's you host an Access application.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???




Drew,

There are a few reasons:

1.  There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
2.  Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
3.  I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users.  But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>
> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
> 2. gets ftp file
> 3. unzips file
> 4. imports file
> LOOP HERE
> 5. runs SQL against import
> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
> 7. emails string
> END LOOP
>
> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>
> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>
> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>
> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>
> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>
> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 13 15:26:37 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:26:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
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So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program' should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup. (Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
> 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
>> 2. gets ftp file
>> 3. unzips file
>> 4. imports file
>> LOOP HERE
>> 5. runs SQL against import
>> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
>> 7. emails string
>> END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 13 15:39:30 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:39:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
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For that size application I would go with a site hosted on your own machine
(for now).  I would tend to think vb.net / sql server.  Once you get the
application ported and running then move it to a hosting site.  Lots of them
will allow VB.Net applications to run.  Until then you have total control
over everything.

Now, I can't claim 20/20 vision here since I do not host a web site from my
home, but you can get a business account with the cable company, get pretty
fair speeds, they know and are OK with web sites (over a business account)
and you can get fixed IP addresses.  Make it work, then swap it out to a pro
web hosting site later.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind
leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng
about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL
table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program'
should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup.
(Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS
mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that
let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe
to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few 
> emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to
pay for a site with email capability 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as
possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes
down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and
never had a need to create something on this scale (availability
scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty
is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly,
without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now
its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on
a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it
does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes 2. gets ftp file 3. unzips 
>> file 4. imports file LOOP HERE 5. runs SQL against import 6. 
>> concantenates results of sql into string 7. emails string END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs 
>> and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are 
>> stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just
need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just
not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I
would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out
on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would
coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need
to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live
OneCare!
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Nov 13 15:41:18 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:41:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl>
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Good question.  The problem is most hosting sites host web sites.  So you can have an Access .mdb, but they aren't going to actively run it for you.

There might be a company out there doing hosting like that, I just haven't heard of one.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program' should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup. (Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
> 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
>> 2. gets ftp file
>> 3. unzips file
>> 4. imports file
>> LOOP HERE
>> 5. runs SQL against import
>> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
>> 7. emails string
>> END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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From jengross at gte.net  Tue Nov 13 15:43:41 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:43:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
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Message-ID: <00de01c8263e$4293cef0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

NetworkSolutions.com will let you host an Access app.  I have been
poking around for a hosting company and just happened to notice this a
few weeks ago.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).

Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup.
(Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS
mirrored drives).  I personally don't know of any hosting site out there
that let's you host an Access application.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???




Drew,

There are a few reasons:

1.  There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to
subscribe to this service and need to be available. 2.  Right now I use
docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will
need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site
with email capability 3.  I'm trying to get as mobile as
possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes
down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte

P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and
never had a need to create something on this scale (availability
scale)...typically never more than a few users.  But my biggest
uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A
Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, 
> without this list I would have never got this thing to work as 
> is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is

> done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted 
> somewhere. Here is what it does.
>
> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
> 2. gets ftp file
> 3. unzips file
> 4. imports file
> LOOP HERE
> 5. runs SQL against import
> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
> 7. emails string
> END LOOP
>
> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs 
> and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are 
> stored in a table)
>
> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just

> need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site 
> (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>
> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I 
> would...or can I?
>
> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this 
> out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that 
> would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>
> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I 
> need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know 
> where to start.
>
> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
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From joeo at appoli.com  Tue Nov 13 15:53:03 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:53:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Mark,

There is no reason why you cannot leave it in Access and utilize a third party hosting service.  In addition to providing email services (both POP and Exchange), my company provides hosting services for many of our clients, including Terminal Services running Access applications.

If you can provide details of your requirements, I will be able to provide a quote for hosting your application.  What version of Access are you using?  What are the bandwidth requirements?  How long does it take to process each zip file?  Is the usage constant throughout the day, or are there peaks and valleys?  How large are the emails?  Do you have a preference for the email system that is used?  Are the emails text only or are they HTML?

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 4:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program' should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup. (Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to pay for a site with email capability
> 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and never had a need to create something on this scale (availability scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly, without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes
>> 2. gets ftp file
>> 3. unzips file
>> 4. imports file
>> LOOP HERE
>> 5. runs SQL against import
>> 6. concantenates results of sql into string
>> 7. emails string
>> END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Nov 13 15:55:09 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:55:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E90@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E90@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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The hosting companies that offer dedicated servers and virtual private
servers will allow you to load anything you'd like, as long as it doesn't
violate their terms of service (EX: no naughty sites, spamming, etc.).

So if you go to a host like:
http://www.maximumasp.com/products/virtualDedicated/, you'll find that
you'll be able to install programs, reboot the server, etc, without having
to risk downtime because the idiots behind you chopped up your buried phone
line while building a new house ... (happened to me several times in the
past few years). 

On my dedicated box, I've installed custom components (Browserhawk,
SmarterMail, etc.), all without the help or approval of the host. You
shouldn't have any problem at least installing a runtime version of Access
on one of these hosts. 

Larry Mrazek
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???

Good question.  The problem is most hosting sites host web sites.  So you
can have an Access .mdb, but they aren't going to actively run it for you.

There might be a company out there doing hosting like that, I just haven't
heard of one.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 3:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???


So if I ask for advise...and you give it...and I follow...proverbial blind
leading the blind???  I have a hammer AND a saw!!!

If I can't leave it in Access...what should I use...and we are not talkng
about record count...If I'm lucky...I might have 1000 records in my SQL
table and then import(then delete) 3k every 30 minutes.  What 'program'
should I use to manage/execute the tasks listed below...every 30 minutes.

Thanks,

Mark


> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:43:22 -0600
> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
> I see (said the blind man, as he picked up the hammer and saw).
>
> Pretty much everything you want to do, you could do with a home setup.
(Reliable ISP with a static IP address and domain name, UPS, server OS
mirrored drives). I personally don't know of any hosting site out there that
let's you host an Access application.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
> Matte
> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 12:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>
>
>
>
> Drew,
>
> There are a few reasons:
>
> 1. There will eventually be a front end/UI/webpage for people to subscribe
to this service and need to be available.
> 2. Right now I use docmd.sendobject to send the email..fine for a few 
> emails...but I will need to send 1000s (hopefully)...thought it easier to
pay for a site with email capability 3. I'm trying to get as mobile as
possible...don't want to be tied to that single machine...site goes
down...hosted =I call someone...Home=I fly home.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
> P.S...Most of the db's I have created were for very specific tasks...and
never had a need to create something on this scale (availability
scale)...typically never more than a few users. But my biggest uncertainty
is what 'engine' can drive this thing.
>
>
>> Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:49:53 -0600
>> From: DWUTKA at marlow.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>> Just curious, why don't you want this running from your house?
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A 
>> Matte
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 11:18 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] From Access to Hosted site???
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have asked questions related to this topic before...and honestly,
without this list I would have never got this thing to work as is...but now
its time to expand. Currently, everything listed below is done in access on
a machine at my house. I want to have it hosted somewhere. Here is what it
does.
>>
>> 1. check for file on FTP every 5 minutes 2. gets ftp file 3. unzips 
>> file 4. imports file LOOP HERE 5. runs SQL against import 6. 
>> concantenates results of sql into string 7. emails string END LOOP
>>
>> Lets say the loop part happens about 1000 times with different SQLs 
>> and emails that are constantly changing.(SQL and email addresses are 
>> stored in a table)
>>
>> At this point lets pretend that there is not a user interface...I just
need to replicate the above automated functionality on a hosted site (just
not my house...and somewhere reliable).
>>
>> If I could just drop my Access db out somewhere and let it run...I
would...or can I?
>>
>> I'm really lost at this point. I guess my question is..."To put this out
on a server...what would be the 'engine' or driving force that would
coordinate and execute these tasks?"
>>
>> I'm a quick study...and will tackle whatever language/db/platform I need
to...I'm just having trouble with my game plan. I don't know where to start.
>>
>> Any guidence or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks Again,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Nov 13 16:45:28 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:45:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Query builder
In-Reply-To: <001201c8261a$24ba3f50$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <001201c8261a$24ba3f50$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <b874372a0711131445j7ddde1b0m411b186dcb9413f8@mail.gmail.com>

If you're looking for tools I would check out the toolbelt from Red-Gate
software
http://www.red-gate.com/index.htm

For standardizing your existing code you can use the sql refractor tool, but
to build new queries quickly with intellisense-like technology, then use
sql-prompt. I really do enjoy this tool. (I do have this and sql-compare
plus sql backup from red gate, they tend to really put out quality software


On Nov 13, 2007 9:25 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:

> My client is asking if there is a tool I can buy to make me more
> productive
> in building the queries for the analysis he is asking me to do.  Just a
> quick Google of "SQL Server query generator"  gets me these:
>
> http://www.querytool.com/?gclid=COXT2a-i2o8CFQNlHgodhSWX1Q
> http://sqlmanager.net/products/tools/querybuilder
> http://www.activequerybuilder.com/
>
> Has anyone ever used any of these or have any recommendations for other
> tools like these?
>
> John W. Colby
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 14 00:03:05 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 11:33:05 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
References: <004901c8258b$77362c60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB2459
	7D7355EEA703D49@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local> 
	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> 
	<00c901c82605$35a1fe80$6c57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <018401c82684$14393090$0f57a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    Were you able to try the solution given in my post of 13-Nov-2007 ?

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: A.D.TEJPAL 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 20:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


  Rocky,

      You wish to trap the trailing spaces in a text box, while using its contents for applying filter. This calls for certain special measures as trailing spaces (if any) get lost while exiting the text box.

      Sample code in form's module, as given below, demonstrates application of filter on a subform, duly taking into account the contents of text box (including trailing spaces if any) located on the parent form.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Sample code in form's module
  Txt1 is the name of text box where criteria string is
  entered. SF_Sub is the name of control holding the
  subform. Clicking command button named CmdFilter
  applies filter on subform records - duly taking into
  account the trailing blanks (if any) in text box Txt1
  PCode is the name of field on which filter is applied.
  '=================================
  ' Declarations section
  Private RefTxt As String
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdFilter_Click()
      With Me.SF_Sub.Form
          .Filter = "PCode Like '" & RefTxt & "*'"
          .FilterOn = True
      End With
  End Sub
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Txt1_Change()
      RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
  End Sub
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Txt1_Enter()
      RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
  End Sub
  '=================================


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 07:17
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
    setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from the
    Change event of the text box.

    Rocky

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky, the
    list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping keystrokes,
    make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

    Charlotte Foust

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
    Beach Access Software
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    Dear List:
     
    I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list box
    based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and retain
    trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
    presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning with
    R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name beginning
    with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
     
    Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
    string?
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 14 00:20:49 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 22:20:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box
In-Reply-To: <018401c82684$14393090$0f57a27a@personalec1122>
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	<005401c82597$1f9b4ce0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00c901c82605$35a1fe80$6c57a27a@personalec1122>
	<018401c82684$14393090$0f57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <010c01c82686$808a0060$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:

A modification.  Or subset.  Looking at your code I could see that it was
the .Text property that I was missing.  So instead of making the row source
WHERE clauses from the text boxes, I stored the contents of the text boxes
in strings using the .Text property (strLastName = Me.txtLastName.Text).
The strings have the trailing blank so I use the strings to construct the
WHERE clause instead of the contents of the text boxes.

This works well to insert one blank.  But it won't do more than one blank.
I know how to solve this with a bit of code but I have  to ask the client if
that's really necessary.  The original requirement for the blank was a
company named R & R.  The client wanted to filter on that.  I think the need
to filter on a string that contains two blanks is astronomically small.  But
I'll ask.

With best regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

Rocky,

    Were you able to try the solution given in my post of 13-Nov-2007 ?

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: A.D.TEJPAL
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 20:24
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box


  Rocky,

      You wish to trap the trailing spaces in a text box, while using its
contents for applying filter. This calls for certain special measures as
trailing spaces (if any) get lost while exiting the text box.

      Sample code in form's module, as given below, demonstrates application
of filter on a subform, duly taking into account the contents of text box
(including trailing spaces if any) located on the parent form.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Sample code in form's module
  Txt1 is the name of text box where criteria string is
  entered. SF_Sub is the name of control holding the
  subform. Clicking command button named CmdFilter
  applies filter on subform records - duly taking into
  account the trailing blanks (if any) in text box Txt1
  PCode is the name of field on which filter is applied.
  '=================================
  ' Declarations section
  Private RefTxt As String
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdFilter_Click()
      With Me.SF_Sub.Form
          .Filter = "PCode Like '" & RefTxt & "*'"
          .FilterOn = True
      End With
  End Sub
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Txt1_Change()
      RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
  End Sub
  '--------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub Txt1_Enter()
      RefTxt = ActiveControl.Text
  End Sub
  '=================================


    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
    Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 07:17
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    It the text box where I want to have the trailing blanks retained. I'm
    setting the filter for the text box in a subroutine that's called from
the
    Change event of the text box.

    Rocky

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:59 PM
    To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
    Subject: Re: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    What is the "it" that won't accept and retain trailing blanks, Rocky,
the
    list box, the textbox, the filter, or what?  If you're trapping
keystrokes,
    make sure you aren't including a Trim in there somewhere.

    Charlotte Foust

    -----Original Message-----
    From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
    [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
    Beach Access Software
    Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 4:24 PM
    To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
    Subject: [AccessD] Blanks in text box

    Dear List:
     
    I am trapping keystrokes in a text box and setting a filter in a list
box
    based on the current value in the text box.  But it won't accept and
retain
    trailing blanks.  If my client wants to search on R & R for example, he
    presses R and the list box of names is filtered to all those beginning
with
    R.  if he then presses the space bar, it should show all the name
beginning
    with R-blank.  But of course, it strips the trailing blank.
     
    Is there some trick to getting the trailing blanks to be included in the
    string?
     
    MTIA
     
    Rocky
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 14 07:09:34 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 18:39:34 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a27a@personalec1122>

John,

    User defined function is found more convenient for such a situation. Sample query Q_Results, as given below, making use of function Fn_SurveyResults() given below, should get the desired results.

    PersonID, Qn and Ans are the fields (all text type) in table T_Survey.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Q_Results
==================================
SELECT T_Survey.PersonID, Fn_SurveyResults([PersonID]) AS SurveyResult 
FROM T_Survey 
GROUP BY T_Survey.PersonID;
==================================

Fn_SurveyResults()
'==================================
Function Fn_SurveyResults(Pid _
                        As String) As String
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    
    Qst = "SELECT Qn, Ans " & _
            "FROM T_Survey " & _
            "WHERE PersonID = '" & _
            Pid & "' ORDER BY Qn;"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(Qst)
    ' Note - For repeated calls from a query,
    '            DBEngine(0)(0) is preferred over
    '            CurrentDb
    
    Txt = ""
    Do Until rst.EOF
        Txt = Txt & ", [" & rst.Fields("Qn") & _
                " - " & rst.Fields("Ans") & "]"
        rst.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    ' Get rid of leading comma if any
    If Len(Txt) > 0 Then
        Txt = Mid(Txt, 3)
    End If
    
    Fn_SurveyResults = Txt
    
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
End Function
'==================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 18:23
  Subject: [AccessD] merging records


  I have tables of information about people.  The tables represent polls that
  people have taken, so if a person takes a poll about brands of cigarettes
  smoked, the table would have a record about that person for that poll.  If
  that same person took a poll about software used, the table would have a NEW
  record with information about the same person, but about the software that
  person used.  And so forth and so on.  Now I need to "roll up" all of the
  information about a person into a single record so that one record contains
  all of the information about that person contained in all of the records
  about that person in the table.

  Is this possible directly in SQL?  Do I need to write code to iterate
  through the table finding each person and all the records for that person,
  and then consolidating the information from the second and subsequent
  records into the first record found?

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 14 07:39:35 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 08:39:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90>

A.D.,

Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
for example:

FName LName	Addr	Smokes Softdrink Car
John  Colby	1723	N	 ''	     ''
John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort

In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
"sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length, type,
engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin, Etc.
Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
phones etc.

Thus there are entire sets of fields where there are answers, and
potentially (other than name / address) those may be the ONLY fields with
data, or potentially someone in the past has already merged the car fields
and the medical fields but not the electronics fields.

I am attempting to allow a form of data mining I guess, but not really.  The
user wants to be able to ask questions like "return name and address for all
people who smoke and drive a Chevy and purchased CBs".  Let's not get bogged
down in "why would he ask that", I am not saying that he will, that is just
an example.  Let's simply assume that he can ask for where clauses on ANY
combination of fields.  Obviously if the answers to fields are scattered out
in multiple records, then it becomes difficult to provide a name set who fit
all the criteria because they don't fit all the criteria in any one record.

Thus I need to merge the data for a single person at a single address into a
single record.  I can, and often but not always do, have several records for
a given person at that same address.

My gut tells me that this is a "software" kind of solution.  There are just
too many fields to manually type in all the field names that need merging.
I need to be able to say something like... merge fields 78-740.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 8:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records

John,

    User defined function is found more convenient for such a situation.
Sample query Q_Results, as given below, making use of function
Fn_SurveyResults() given below, should get the desired results.

    PersonID, Qn and Ans are the fields (all text type) in table T_Survey.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Q_Results
==================================
SELECT T_Survey.PersonID, Fn_SurveyResults([PersonID]) AS SurveyResult FROM
T_Survey GROUP BY T_Survey.PersonID; ==================================

Fn_SurveyResults()
'==================================
Function Fn_SurveyResults(Pid _
                        As String) As String
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim rst As DAO.Recordset
    
    Qst = "SELECT Qn, Ans " & _
            "FROM T_Survey " & _
            "WHERE PersonID = '" & _
            Pid & "' ORDER BY Qn;"
    Set rst = DBEngine(0)(0).OpenRecordset(Qst)
    ' Note - For repeated calls from a query,
    '            DBEngine(0)(0) is preferred over
    '            CurrentDb
    
    Txt = ""
    Do Until rst.EOF
        Txt = Txt & ", [" & rst.Fields("Qn") & _
                " - " & rst.Fields("Ans") & "]"
        rst.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    ' Get rid of leading comma if any
    If Len(Txt) > 0 Then
        Txt = Mid(Txt, 3)
    End If
    
    Fn_SurveyResults = Txt
    
    rst.Close
    Set rst = Nothing
End Function
'==================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jwcolby
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' ;
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 18:23
  Subject: [AccessD] merging records


  I have tables of information about people.  The tables represent polls
that
  people have taken, so if a person takes a poll about brands of cigarettes
  smoked, the table would have a record about that person for that poll.  If
  that same person took a poll about software used, the table would have a
NEW
  record with information about the same person, but about the software that
  person used.  And so forth and so on.  Now I need to "roll up" all of the
  information about a person into a single record so that one record
contains
  all of the information about that person contained in all of the records
  about that person in the table.

  Is this possible directly in SQL?  Do I need to write code to iterate
  through the table finding each person and all the records for that person,
  and then consolidating the information from the second and subsequent
  records into the first record found?

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 14 13:49:48 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:19:48 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90><002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a
	27a@personalec1122> <002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>

John,

    Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.

    As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:

    1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

    2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.

    3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.

    Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

    Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
'=====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results for each person in source table
    ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
    ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Fv As Variant
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fd As Field
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    
    ' Comma separated string of all field names
    ' that do not directly carry survey response
    Const ExemptFields As String = _
            "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        For Each fd In tdf.Fields
            Fnm = fd.Name
            If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
            Else
                Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                
                If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                            "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                Else
                    Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                End If
                
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 19:09
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.,

  Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
  are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
  Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
  for example:

  FName LName Addr Smokes Softdrink Car
  John  Colby 1723 N ''      ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort

  In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
  "sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length, type,
  engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin, Etc.
  Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
  phones etc.

  << SNIPPED to prevent overall size crossing limits >>

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 14 14:41:46 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:41:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90><002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a27a@personalec1122>
	<002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <004401c826fe$c6bbe350$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Precisely.  I will most likely run this in VB.Net since it has to eventually
process 50 million records.  

I long ago generated a hash field for the address, family (address+lastName)
and Person (Address+Family+FirstName) so I have hash fields to allow me to
find the "same person", ignoring such problems as John Colby and John W.
Colby at the same address.  

This project is one of the reasons I was asking the question about iterating
the fields of a class in .Net.  If I build a class which is instantiated
once for each record for a given person, I can then update the first
instance using the data in the subsequent instances, and when done, write
the first instance back to the table (or a new table).  

If I do it correctly the classes of the extraneous records can be told to
delete their record in the table after each "person" recordset is scrubbed.
I can put a system like this on autopilot to run over a week or month,
however long it might take.  And with 50 million records it is going to take
awhile.  But with a VB.Net program running in the background scrubbing the
table, I can continue to use the table, with increasing accuracy as the
table is being scrubbed.

None of the other providers for my client has ever attempted to do this, for
obvious reasons (it ain't easy!).

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records

John,

    Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group
of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to
display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing
only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the
record.

    As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:

    1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID
(PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other
fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

    2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be
identical to that of T_Data.

    3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one
record.

    Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine
P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with
the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out
and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

    Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file
format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results T_data is source table.
Results are appended to T_Result.
'=====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results for each person in source table
    ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
    ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Fv As Variant
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fd As Field
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    
    ' Comma separated string of all field names
    ' that do not directly carry survey response
    Const ExemptFields As String = _
            "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        For Each fd In tdf.Fields
            Fnm = fd.Name
            If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
            Else
                Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                
                If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                            "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                Else
                    Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                End If
                
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jwcolby
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 19:09
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.,

  Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
  are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
  Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
  for example:

  FName LName Addr Smokes Softdrink Car
  John  Colby 1723 N ''      ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort

  In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
  "sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length,
type,
  engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin,
Etc.
  Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
  phones etc.

  << SNIPPED to prevent overall size crossing limits >>

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From robert at servicexp.com  Wed Nov 14 14:43:52 2007
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:43:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90><002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a	27a@personalec1122>
	<002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001e01c826f7$b3738890$c857a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <473B5E08.8010808@servicexp.com>

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A.D.,
 Nice, that is very cooooool....

Robert

A.D.TEJPAL wrote:
> John,
> 
>     Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.
> 
>     As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:
> 
>     1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.
> 
>     2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.
> 
>     3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.
> 
>     Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.
> 
>     Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6
> 
> Best wishes,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
> 
> Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
> T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
> '=====================================
> Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
>     ' This subroutine merges the survey
>     ' results for each person in source table
>     ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
>     ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
>     ' is identical to that of T_Data
>     ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
>     
>     Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
>     Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
>     Dim Fv As Variant
>     
>     Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
>     Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
>     Dim fd As Field
>     Dim tdf As TableDef
>     Dim db As DAO.Database
>     
>     Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
>     Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
>     Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
>     
>     ' Comma separated string of all field names
>     ' that do not directly carry survey response
>     Const ExemptFields As String = _
>             "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
>     
>     Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
>     
>     ' Clear destination table
>     db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
>                     DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
>     
>     Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
>             "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
>             " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
>             "LastName, Address;"
>     Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
>     
>     Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
>     
>     Do Until rst1.EOF
>         Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
>                 " SELECT '" & _
>                 rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
>                 "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
>                 "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
>                 "' AS Address,"
>         For Each fd In tdf.Fields
>             Fnm = fd.Name
>             If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
>             Else
>                 Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
>                         " FROM " & SourceTable & _
>                         " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
>                         rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
>                         "' AND LastName = '" & _
>                         rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
>                         "' AND Address = '" & _
>                         rst1.Fields("Address") & _
>                         "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
>                 Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
>                 
>                 If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
>                     Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
>                             "' AS " & Fnm & ","
>                 Else
>                     Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
>                 End If
>                 
>             End If
>         Next
>         
>         ' Remove trailing comma
>         Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
>         Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
>         
>         ' Append to destination table
>         db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
>         
>         rst1.MoveNext
>     Loop
>     
>     rst1.Close
>     rst2.Close
>     Set rst1 = Nothing
>     Set rst2 = Nothing
>     Set fd = Nothing
>     Set tdf = Nothing
>     Set db = Nothing
> End Sub
> '=====================================
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jwcolby 
>   To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 19:09
>   Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records
> 
> 
>   A.D.,
> 
>   Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
>   are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
>   Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
>   for example:
> 
>   FName LName Addr Smokes Softdrink Car
>   John  Colby 1723 N ''      ''
>   John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
>   John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort
> 
>   In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
>   "sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length, type,
>   engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin, Etc.
>   Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
>   phones etc.
> 
>   << SNIPPED to prevent overall size crossing limits >>
> 
>   John W. Colby
>   Colby Consulting
>   www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 18:29:42 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:29:42 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
Message-ID: <200711150029.lAF0Tr06021471@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and rs.MoveFirst to
populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount - Simple

When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error about
backward fetching

"Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)

Rowset does not support fetching backward

If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works 

Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second recordset -
snip not included for that)

Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to compare one
rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they differ then do something
- else forget about it

Make sense?

Many thanks in advance

DD

 

 

'#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB

Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection

Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset

Dim selSQL1 As String

Dim intRecordCount As Integer

Dim i As Integer

 

selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"

conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and passed from
a function here

conn1.Open

 

rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1

 

intRecordCount = 0

 

With rs1

    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then

        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error

        rs1.MoveFirst

        

        Do Until rs1.EOF

          End If

             End With

            rs1.MoveNext

            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1

        Loop

    Else

    End If

End With



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 19:12:08 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 20:12:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
References: <200711150029.lAF0Tr06021471@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <02de01c82724$8d560570$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

ADO's default cursor type is Forward-Only. You can't move backward, so the 
MoveLast method returns an error.

ADO cursors:

dbOpenForwardOnly (the default): static copy, moves forward only
dbOpenStatic    static copy, all movement enabled
dbOpenDynamic    Updates are immediate and all types of movement are enabled 
(not supported by Jet OLEDB provider), so Jet defaults to adOpenKeyset
dbOpenKeyset    All records are updateable, but you can't see additions and 
deletions, all movements are enabled.

Choose your poison wisely. :)

Susan H.


Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO


> Hi All
>
>
>
> When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and rs.MoveFirst 
> to
> populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount - Simple
>
> When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error 
> about
> backward fetching
>
> "Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
> Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
> If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works
>
> Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second 
> recordset -
> snip not included for that)
>
> Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to compare 
> one
> rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they differ then do 
> something
> - else forget about it
>
> Make sense?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
>
>
>
>
> '#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
> Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
> Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
> Dim selSQL1 As String
>
> Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
> Dim i As Integer
>
>
>
> selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
> conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and passed 
> from
> a function here
>
> conn1.Open
>
>
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
>
>
>
> intRecordCount = 0
>
>
>
> With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
> End With
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 20:30:14 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:30:14 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
In-Reply-To: <02de01c82724$8d560570$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <200711150230.lAF2UVSL019384@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Susan
Brilliant - Many thanks
I chose dbOpenStatic

rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
becomes
rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

ADO's default cursor type is Forward-Only. You can't move backward, so the 
MoveLast method returns an error.

ADO cursors:

dbOpenForwardOnly (the default): static copy, moves forward only
dbOpenStatic    static copy, all movement enabled
dbOpenDynamic    Updates are immediate and all types of movement are enabled 
(not supported by Jet OLEDB provider), so Jet defaults to adOpenKeyset
dbOpenKeyset    All records are updateable, but you can't see additions and 
deletions, all movements are enabled.

Choose your poison wisely. :)

Susan H.


Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO


> Hi All
>
>
>
> When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and rs.MoveFirst 
> to
> populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount - Simple
>
> When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error 
> about
> backward fetching
>
> "Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
> Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
> If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works
>
> Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second 
> recordset -
> snip not included for that)
>
> Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to compare 
> one
> rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they differ then do 
> something
> - else forget about it
>
> Make sense?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
>
>
>
>
> '#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
> Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
> Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
> Dim selSQL1 As String
>
> Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
> Dim i As Integer
>
>
>
> selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
> conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and passed 
> from
> a function here
>
> conn1.Open
>
>
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
>
>
>
> intRecordCount = 0
>
>
>
> With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
> End With
>
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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed Nov 14 20:55:00 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:55:00 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
References: <200711150230.lAF2UVSL019384@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0128A09A@ddi-01.DDI.local>

Havn't used ADO for a while but I have 2 comments.
I thought ADO didn't require movelast movefirst to get a rowcount?
Rather then populating 2 recordsets (potentially expensive) why not just
execute 2 select count(1) from table queries?
Then populate the recordset if required.

cheers

Michael M

Hi Susan
Brilliant - Many thanks
I chose dbOpenStatic

rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
becomes
rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

ADO's default cursor type is Forward-Only. You can't move backward, so
the MoveLast method returns an error.

ADO cursors:

dbOpenForwardOnly (the default): static copy, moves forward only
dbOpenStatic    static copy, all movement enabled
dbOpenDynamic    Updates are immediate and all types of movement are
enabled 
(not supported by Jet OLEDB provider), so Jet defaults to adOpenKeyset
dbOpenKeyset    All records are updateable, but you can't see additions
and 
deletions, all movements are enabled.

Choose your poison wisely. :)

Susan H.


Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO


> Hi All
>
>
>
> When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and 
> rs.MoveFirst to populate the rs and then can do an accurate 
> rs.recordCount - Simple
>
> When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error

> about backward fetching
>
> "Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
> Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
> If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works
>
> Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second 
> recordset - snip not included for that)
>
> Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to 
> compare one rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they 
> differ then do something
> - else forget about it
>
> Make sense?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
>
>
>
>
> '#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
> Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
> Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
> Dim selSQL1 As String
>
> Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
> Dim i As Integer
>
>
>
> selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
> conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and 
> passed from a function here
>
> conn1.Open
>
>
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
>
>
>
> intRecordCount = 0
>
>
>
> With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
> End With
>
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Wed Nov 14 21:57:58 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:57:58 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
Message-ID: <20071115135758.DHO77064@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Darren,

In ADO

Just execute 

rs.RecordCount 

which works with :        .CursorType = adOpenKeyset

regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:29:42 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi All
>
> 
>
>When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and
rs.MoveFirst to
>populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount -
Simple
>
>When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a
strange error about
>backward fetching
>
>"Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
>Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
>If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works 
>
>Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a
second recordset -
>snip not included for that)
>
>Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want
to compare one
>rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they
differ then do something
>- else forget about it
>
>Make sense?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>DD
>
> 
>
> 
>
>'#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
>Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
>Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
>Dim selSQL1 As String
>
>Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
>Dim i As Integer
>
> 
>
>selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
>conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set
up and passed from
>a function here
>
>conn1.Open
>
> 
>
>rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
>
> 
>
>intRecordCount = 0
>
> 
>
>With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get
the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>        
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
>End With
>
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 14 22:51:59 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:21:59 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <00e401c825f4$3ca28170$6c7aa8c0@M90><002801c826bf$f7ba9b70$c657a
	27a@personalec1122><002001c826c3$cc055980$6c7aa8c0@M90><001e01c826f7$b3738
	890$c857a27a@personalec1122> <473B5E08.8010808@servicexp.com>
Message-ID: <012001c82743$96006700$a857a27a@personalec1122>

    Thanks Robert!  So nice of you.

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Robert 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 02:13
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


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  Hash: SHA1

  A.D.,

   Nice, that is very cooooool....

  Robert

  A.D.TEJPAL wrote:
  > John,
  > 
  >     Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.
  > 
  >     As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:
  > 
  >     1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.
  > 
  >     2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.
  > 
  >     3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.
  > 
  >     Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.
  > 
  >     Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6
  > 
  > Best wishes,
  > A.D.Tejpal
  > ------------
  > 
  > Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
  > T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
  > '=====================================
  > Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
  >     ' This subroutine merges the survey
  >     ' results for each person in source table
  >     ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
  >     ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
  >     ' is identical to that of T_Data
  >     ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
  >     
  >     Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
  >     Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
  >     Dim Fv As Variant
  >     
  >     Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
  >     Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
  >     Dim fd As Field
  >     Dim tdf As TableDef
  >     Dim db As DAO.Database
  >     
  >     Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
  >     Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
  >     Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
  >     
  >     ' Comma separated string of all field names
  >     ' that do not directly carry survey response
  >     Const ExemptFields As String = _
  >             "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
  >     
  >     Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
  >     
  >     ' Clear destination table
  >     db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
  >                     DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
  >     
  >     Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
  >             "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
  >             " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
  >             "LastName, Address;"
  >     Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
  >     
  >     Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
  >     
  >     Do Until rst1.EOF
  >         Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
  >                 " SELECT '" & _
  >                 rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
  >                 "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
  >                 "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
  >                 "' AS Address,"
  >         For Each fd In tdf.Fields
  >             Fnm = fd.Name
  >             If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
  >             Else
  >                 Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
  >                         " FROM " & SourceTable & _
  >                         " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
  >                         rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
  >                         "' AND LastName = '" & _
  >                         rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
  >                         "' AND Address = '" & _
  >                         rst1.Fields("Address") & _
  >                         "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
  >                 Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
  >                 
  >                 If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
  >                     Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
  >                             "' AS " & Fnm & ","
  >                 Else
  >                     Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
  >                 End If
  >                 
  >             End If
  >         Next
  >         
  >         ' Remove trailing comma
  >         Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
  >         Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
  >         
  >         ' Append to destination table
  >         db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
  >         
  >         rst1.MoveNext
  >     Loop
  >     
  >     rst1.Close
  >     rst2.Close
  >     Set rst1 = Nothing
  >     Set rst2 = Nothing
  >     Set fd = Nothing
  >     Set tdf = Nothing
  >     Set db = Nothing
  > End Sub
  > '=====================================

From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 23:10:49 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:49 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
In-Reply-To: <20071113102645.DHJ48961@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <200711150511.lAF5BEkb003143@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Borge

Thanks for the reply - I can see this is very efficient compared to the way I
was doing it
And - It works - kinda
If I use code similar to

	Dim strForm As String
          strForm = "frmRunDetails"
          DoCmd.OpenForm strForm '"frmRunDetails"
          Set Forms(strForm).Recordset = rs1

And ensure the form is not bound to any table or query - I get only 1 row
showing at a time
Even though the form is a continuous form and there are plenty of rows to show
I can scroll through all the records but only displaying one row at a time

Is there a trick to get the form to show say 20 records of say 200 then let the
user scroll as normal through 180 or so not showing?

Also I have text boxes at the footer of the form showing up with #Error using
the set RS method- They have things like...="Total Runs: " & Count([RunNo]) as
their control source
Any way around this too?

Many thanks

DD

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pcs at azizaz.com
Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form

Darren,
Try:

Set Forms(strFrm).Recordset = rs

where rs is the recordset you have created and strForm is a
string variable holding the name of your Form 

Regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:46 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi Arthur 
>
>This sounds very efficient - Cool
>
>Now the tricky bit...
>
>How do I 'bind' a continuous form in access 2003 (NOT ADP) to
a SPROC or view in
>SQL SVR?
>
>Thanks
>
>Darren
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Arthur Fuller
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 10:53 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form
>
>Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or
view and use it
>as the record source?
>
>A.
>
>On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Hi team
>>
>>
>>
>> Access 2003
>>
>>
>>
>> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>>
>>
>>
>> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp
tables with the
>> results -
>> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>>
>>
>>
>> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it
is possible to
>> cut
>> out the middle man -
>>
>>
>>
>> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a
continuous form with
>> the
>> various results straight from the rs object
>>
>>
>>
>> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from
tblAccounts may
>> return
>> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>>
>>
>>
>> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code
into a
>> continuous
>> form without populating a temp table first?
>>
>>
>>
>> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is
using a temp table
>> perfectly reasonable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Many thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a great day
>>
>>
>>
>> Darren
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 23:15:02 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:15:02 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
In-Reply-To: <20071115135758.DHO77064@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <200711150515.lAF5FQlR007806@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Borge

I am now realising I can get the rs1.RecordCount without 'populating' using
rs1.MoveLast and rs1.MoveFirst - Cool - It is in place now

But there are occasions where I do need to get to the last record so I can
display the description of the last record on the users form
EG In code in the line after rs1.MoveLast I have a line that reads
Me.lblDisplay.Caption = "Current Run: " & rs!RunDescription
Then the next line is .MoveFirst and then after that I do a loop and then I do
all the .Update stuff after that

Many thanks for your reply

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pcs at azizaz.com
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 2:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

Darren,

In ADO

Just execute 

rs.RecordCount 

which works with :        .CursorType = adOpenKeyset

regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:29:42 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi All
>
> 
>
>When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and
rs.MoveFirst to
>populate the rs and then can do an accurate rs.recordCount -
Simple
>
>When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a
strange error about
>backward fetching
>
>"Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
>Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
>If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works 
>
>Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a
second recordset -
>snip not included for that)
>
>Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want
to compare one
>rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they
differ then do something
>- else forget about it
>
>Make sense?
>
>Many thanks in advance
>
>DD
>
> 
>
> 
>
>'#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
>Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
>Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
>Dim selSQL1 As String
>
>Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
>Dim i As Integer
>
> 
>
>selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
>conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set
up and passed from
>a function here
>
>conn1.Open
>
> 
>
>rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
>
> 
>
>intRecordCount = 0
>
> 
>
>With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get
the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>        
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
>End With
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Nov 14 23:19:13 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:19:13 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
In-Reply-To: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D0128A09A@ddi-01.DDI.local>
Message-ID: <200711150519.lAF5JcXP009071@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Michael

Excellent - this is what Borge Suggested too
I have implemented it for the bits where I just need a record count
And I use the full blown rs1.Movelast rs1.moveFirst then a Loop for the bits
where I need to update a local table

I am grateful for the replies

Many thanks

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Maddison
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 1:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

Havn't used ADO for a while but I have 2 comments.
I thought ADO didn't require movelast movefirst to get a rowcount?
Rather then populating 2 recordsets (potentially expensive) why not just
execute 2 select count(1) from table queries?
Then populate the recordset if required.

cheers

Michael M

Hi Susan
Brilliant - Many thanks
I chose dbOpenStatic

rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
becomes
rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
Have a great day
 
Darren
-----------------
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO

ADO's default cursor type is Forward-Only. You can't move backward, so
the MoveLast method returns an error.

ADO cursors:

dbOpenForwardOnly (the default): static copy, moves forward only
dbOpenStatic    static copy, all movement enabled
dbOpenDynamic    Updates are immediate and all types of movement are
enabled 
(not supported by Jet OLEDB provider), so Jet defaults to adOpenKeyset
dbOpenKeyset    All records are updateable, but you can't see additions
and 
deletions, all movements are enabled.

Choose your poison wisely. :)

Susan H.


Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO


> Hi All
>
>
>
> When I use DAO Recordsets I can simply do a rs.movelast and 
> rs.MoveFirst to populate the rs and then can do an accurate 
> rs.recordCount - Simple
>
> When using ADO - IF I use the line rs.movelast - I get a strange error

> about backward fetching
>
> "Run Time Error -2147217884(80040e24)
>
> Rowset does not support fetching backward
>
> If I rem the line rs.MoveLast - the code works
>
> Code Snip Below (The real code does some updates etc on a second 
> recordset - snip not included for that)
>
> Anyone know about this - Is there a work around - I just want to 
> compare one rs.recordCount with another rs2.RecordCount and if they 
> differ then do something
> - else forget about it
>
> Make sense?
>
> Many thanks in advance
>
> DD
>
>
>
>
>
> '#############This is connecting a an SQL Server dB
>
> Dim conn1 As New ADODB.Connection
>
> Dim rs1 As New ADODB.Recordset
>
> Dim selSQL1 As String
>
> Dim intRecordCount As Integer
>
> Dim i As Integer
>
>
>
> selSQL1 = "SELECT * from BillRun"
>
> conn1 = f_SetSQLSVRConnection '<--SQL Server connections set up and 
> passed from a function here
>
> conn1.Open
>
>
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
>
>
>
> intRecordCount = 0
>
>
>
> With rs1
>
>    If Not rs1.BOF And Not rs1.EOF Then
>
>        'rs1.MoveLast <---- If I leave this line in - I get the error
>
>        rs1.MoveFirst
>
>
>
>        Do Until rs1.EOF
>
>          End If
>
>             End With
>
>            rs1.MoveNext
>
>            intRecordCount = intRecordCount + 1
>
>        Loop
>
>    Else
>
>    End If
>
> End With
>
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Wed Nov 14 23:41:56 2007
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:41:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
Message-ID: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>

My boss asked me today "What would be the effort to make an existing Microsoft Access application usable on the Web".  I could find no references in any of the books I have as a reference.  Any idea what I can say or where to look?

Thanks for the thoughts and chuckles

John

From pcs at azizaz.com  Thu Nov 15 00:11:44 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:11:44 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a Continuous form
Message-ID: <20071115161144.DHO89409@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Darren,
Sorry, no immediate suggestion to your question about the
calculated text controls in the Footer...

I don't fully understand how you have designed your Form...

We normally split the UI into a Summary Form and a Detail Form...

The Summary Form is a continous form that also allow us to
scroll horizontal across the columns of a row.... There are
usually a number of predefined selection criteria in the Form
Footer (a combo box served up by an auxiliary table holding
information about SPs that corresponds to each of these
predefined selection criteria)..... On the Summary Form above
the text control and label that forms each column we have
another unbound text control that functions as a 'filter' -
the user can enter filter criteria in any of these controls -
if an ad hoc 'filter' like that is present it will work in
conjunction with the predefined selection criteria that has
been selected. The  code module will then fetch the chunks of
SQL that was used to create the SP (the auxiliary table holds
the PK - Description - Name of SP - "Select Part" of SP in
memo field - "Where Part" of SP in memo field - "Order By"
Part in memo field) and along with the ad hoc filter provided
the code will build the SQL string that now is to be used to
fetch the record set from the Server instead of the
straightforward SP. Using ADO recordset....

Clicking on a column will open the Detail Form on the PK of
the Summary Form record... Using query on ODBC linked table(s)
limited to one record selected by the PK provided.... On the
Detail Form we have a combo box that gets populated with the
sub set of records from the Summary Form limited to the first
100 if the Summary Form shows more than 100 records.... So,
rather than scrolling on the Detail Form, the User clicks on
the combo box to select another record from the subset arrived
at on the Summary Form. 

On the Summary Form you normally show all the essential static
information about the records at hand plus any additional
fields that is relevant to search on ..... 

This provides the User with a very effective way of quickly
drilling down to the subset of records that the User will be
working on in more detail.... 

The record set on the Summary Form can be made up of any
complex (and non-updatable) query ....

I don't know if this is relevant to you...

Borge


---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:10:49 +1100
>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi Borge
>
>Thanks for the reply - I can see this is very efficient
compared to the way I
>was doing it
>And - It works - kinda
>If I use code similar to
>
>	Dim strForm As String
>          strForm = "frmRunDetails"
>          DoCmd.OpenForm strForm '"frmRunDetails"
>          Set Forms(strForm).Recordset = rs1
>
>And ensure the form is not bound to any table or query - I
get only 1 row
>showing at a time
>Even though the form is a continuous form and there are
plenty of rows to show
>I can scroll through all the records but only displaying one
row at a time
>
>Is there a trick to get the form to show say 20 records of
say 200 then let the
>user scroll as normal through 180 or so not showing?
>
>Also I have text boxes at the footer of the form showing up
with #Error using
>the set RS method- They have things like...="Total Runs: " &
Count([RunNo]) as
>their control source
>Any way around this too?
>
>Many thanks
>
>DD
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
pcs at azizaz.com
>Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 11:27 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
Continuous form
>
>Darren,
>Try:
>
>Set Forms(strFrm).Recordset = rs
>
>where rs is the recordset you have created and strForm is a
>string variable holding the name of your Form 
>
>Regards
>Borge
>
>---- Original message ----
>>Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:06:46 +1100
>>From: "Darren D" <darren at activebilling.com.au>  
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
>Continuous form  
>>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>
>>Hi Arthur 
>>
>>This sounds very efficient - Cool
>>
>>Now the tricky bit...
>>
>>How do I 'bind' a continuous form in access 2003 (NOT ADP) to
>a SPROC or view in
>>SQL SVR?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Darren
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>Arthur Fuller
>>Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2007 10:53 AM
>>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Getting Results from SQL SVR into a
>Continuous form
>>
>>Why not eliminate both at once and instead create a sproc or
>view and use it
>>as the record source?
>>
>>A.
>>
>>On 11/12/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi team
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Access 2003
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am running select statements to get results from an SQL dB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Then looping through the rs object and populating temp
>tables with the
>>> results -
>>> Then I am 'binding' my forms to these temp tables for display
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This all works fine - no Prob - I was just wondering if it
>is possible to
>>> cut
>>> out the middle man -
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I mean ditch the temp tables and somehow populate a
>continuous form with
>>> the
>>> various results straight from the rs object
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> EG Select AccountNo, AccountName, ContactPerson from
>tblAccounts may
>>> return
>>> say.10 records each with 3 fields of data
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How then do I get these results from the rs object in code
>into a
>>> continuous
>>> form without populating a temp table first?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also - Are there any advantages doing it this way or is
>using a temp table
>>> perfectly reasonable?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a great day
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Darren
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 15 02:13:00 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:13:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
Message-ID: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.

But - as you have the DAO recordset present - why not use AddNew/Update to replace the slow "Insert Into .." SQL execution?

/gustav

>>> adtp at airtelbroadband.in 14-11-2007 20:49 >>>
John,

    Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.

    As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:

    1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

    2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.

    3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.

    Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

    Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
'=====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results for each person in source table
    ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
    ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Fv As Variant
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim fd As Field
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    
    ' Comma separated string of all field names
    ' that do not directly carry survey response
    Const ExemptFields As String = _
            "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        For Each fd In tdf.Fields
            Fnm = fd.Name
            If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
            Else
                Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                
                If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                    Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                            "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                Else
                    Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                End If
                
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'=====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 19:09
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.,

  Thanks for the response.  Unfortunately it is not that simple, i.e. there
  are about 700 fields, of which about 600 are responses to query questions.
  Each of those 600 fields will need to be merged with the alternate record.
  for example:

  FName LName Addr Smokes Softdrink Car
  John  Colby 1723 N ''      ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     Pepsi     ''
  John  Colby 1723  ''     ''        Ford Escort

  In at least one table there are 600 fields.  The fields are divided into
  "sets" of fields.  One set is about boats - State registered, length, type,
  engine etc.  Another set is about medications taken - Zoloft, Aspirin, Etc.
  Another set is about electronics purchased - stereo, cb, computers, cell
  phones etc.

  << SNIPPED to prevent overall size crossing limits >>

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 07:10:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:10:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
Message-ID: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 


From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Nov 15 07:22:59 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 07:22:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <061301c8278a$a4c7d970$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 07:42:07 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:42:07 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <061301c8278a$a4c7d970$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<061301c8278a$a4c7d970$0702a8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <002a01c8278d$511b6140$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Nov 15 07:44:30 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:44:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000901c8278d$a6170e60$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...looked a number of times but the first problem was always been the length 
of time required to backup 40+ gigs over the net ...doesn't matter who the 
vendor is ...it would require days, not hours, over dsl for the first full 
backup and then incrementals can take hours themselves.

...but the real problem to me is system restoration on fail ...if file 
backup were my only consideration then web might be feasible ...but if the 
server fails and your only backup is the web then you're looking at a very, 
very long outage vs an hour fom tape and minutes from a hard disk b/u.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 07:58:18 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 08:58:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <000901c8278d$a6170e60$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000901c8278d$a6170e60$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <008801c8278f$93c8dc00$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Agreed on all counts.  I think web backup is great for some types of backup,
specifically files such as company documents or pictures.  I must say that
security would be a concern of mine though.  With all the issues of data
theft...

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

...looked a number of times but the first problem was always been the length
of time required to backup 40+ gigs over the net ...doesn't matter who the
vendor is ...it would require days, not hours, over dsl for the first full
backup and then incrementals can take hours themselves.

...but the real problem to me is system restoration on fail ...if file
backup were my only consideration then web might be feasible ...but if the
server fails and your only backup is the web then you're looking at a very,
very long outage vs an hour fom tape and minutes from a hard disk b/u.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:10 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 08:11:28 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:11:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Getting a Record Count using ADO
References: <200711150230.lAF2UVSL019384@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <007401c82791$b6a113d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

This was a huge issue years ago when they switched the default library from 
DAO to ADO because the DAO default cursor worked correctly. Many developers 
didn't include an explicit cursor type and when they tried that in ADO, they 
got errors they didn't understand.

What I find most interesting in the internal conversion of dynamic to 
keyset -- fascinating.

Susan H.


> Hi Susan
> Brilliant - Many thanks
> I chose dbOpenStatic
>
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1
> becomes
> rs1.Open selSQL1, conn1, dbOpenStatic
> Have a great day



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Nov 15 08:32:44 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:32:44 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <002a01c8278d$511b6140$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00ac01c82794$63558050$8119fea9@LTVM>

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 08:51:16 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 06:51:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c82794$63558050$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <002a01c8278d$511b6140$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00ac01c82794$63558050$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there -
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Nov 15 09:00:48 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:00:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
In-Reply-To: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000>

Hmmm ...

This is one of those "it depends" questions.

If you're looking to merely present tabular data on the web, with perhaps a
couple of lookups, filters, etc. this wouldn't be a problem. 

However, if you're app has a lot of custom functions, business logic, etc.,
then it will be a much larger project. 

Is the focus to make the application "usable on the web" or do you merely
need to enable remote access to the app?

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Eget
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:42 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based

My boss asked me today "What would be the effort to make an existing
Microsoft Access application usable on the Web".  I could find no references
in any of the books I have as a reference.  Any idea what I can say or where
to look?

Thanks for the thoughts and chuckles

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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Nov 15 10:07:47 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:07:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200711151609.lAFG8wDN015591@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Rocky,
These are enticing ideas aren't they? Seems everyone and their uncle is
offering it today.

After thorough evaluation, given the size of Access DB and Apps
(prerequisite Access related content ;-) , I decided against this option.
(Besides that fact that I also do a load of DP/graphics work so mdbs are
actually quite small in size comparison.)

I found that an external hard drive unit that can be kept off site is a more
cost effective and much faster alternative. Given the difficulties that most
of clients have using (especially restoring from) tape backup media for
security backups procedures I have started to implement multiple removable
hard drives instead. A simple USB or Fire wire cable connection is all it
takes.

For smaller size backups (35-90 GB) an Iomega Rev Drive is another option
and can directly replace a daily/weekly/monthly tape backup rotation scheme
as the removable Rev disks (which are a proprietary hard drive enclosure)
are about the size of a tape cartridge. They had been selling a reasonably
priced "starter kit" which included a drive unit, a number of disks and a
backup software solution (although you can use any form of backup including
a simple folder copy.

Another option for you, given that you have space on your web server is to
use an FTP client that you can schedule to do this automatically at night.
There are a number of good FTP clients available that can do this. Some
free.

HTH
John B




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Nov 15 09:39:05 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:39:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
In-Reply-To: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750D7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Depends on how complex it is, and how dependant you would be on client
side code.

For example,  recording data into a table is a server side process.
Selecting a value in one combo box, to display different values in
another, while that can be done on the server side, it would really be a
client side process.

If there's a lot of client side stuff, you'll need to figure out how to
do it.  Personally, I have a few apps like that, where I know the end
users all use IE, so I can get away with programming everything in
VBScript.  Pretty easy.  Unknown browsers, and you better go with
Javascript.  There's also the option of ASP.Net, which provides a
development environment that will appear a lot like access.

I mainly build web interfaces, though I have converted a handful to web
based applications.  I'm sorry I can't give you a solid ratio of
development time, but it's really going to depend on how the initial
database is designed.  I did a few that were mainly unbound (there were
classes and collection that acted as a business layer).  Those were very
easy, because it was just a matter of building a web interface on top of
that business layer, not too much different then just creating new
forms/reports.  In a completely bound interface, more time consuming,
because then you are basically starting from scratch.

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:42 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based

My boss asked me today "What would be the effort to make an existing
Microsoft Access application usable on the Web".  I could find no
references in any of the books I have as a reference.  Any idea what I
can say or where to look?

Thanks for the thoughts and chuckles

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Nov 15 10:18:49 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 10:18:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).  

But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key
chain.  You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about
$20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
-
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there
sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like
it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site
backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for
off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 11:42:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 12:42:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <009901c827ae$db89c0d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:

http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).  

But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
-
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

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Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Thu Nov 15 12:10:39 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:40:39 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>

Gustav,

    In its present version, the suggested procedure does not open any recordset for target table. After all the values meant to be inserted in various fields are lined up, the pertinent record gets inserted in destination table in one go via append query.

    As pointed out by you, pure recordset approach can also be adopted in lieu of append query method. John states that the number of fields involved is very large. That would require corresponding large number of assignment calls from one recordset to the other.

    It might be interesting if an actual trial could be conducted over a large data set, using append query visa-vis recordset approach. Perhaps John could do it and let us know.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 13:43
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  Hi A.D.

  But - as you have the DAO recordset present - why not use AddNew/Update to replace the slow "Insert Into .." SQL execution?

  /gustav

  >>> adtp at airtelbroadband.in 14-11-2007 20:49 >>>
  John,

      Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address, showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns across the record.

      As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is suggested:

      1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID (PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

      2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be identical to that of T_Data.

      3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with one record.

      Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

      Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
  T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
  '=====================================
  Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
      ' This subroutine merges the survey
      ' results for each person in source table
      ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
      ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
      ' is identical to that of T_Data
      ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
      
      Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
      Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
      Dim Fv As Variant
      
      Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
      Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
      Dim fd As Field
      Dim tdf As TableDef
      Dim db As DAO.Database
      
      Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
      Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
      Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
      
      ' Comma separated string of all field names
      ' that do not directly carry survey response
      Const ExemptFields As String = _
              "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
      
      Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
      
      ' Clear destination table
      db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                      DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
      
      Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
              "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
              " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
              "LastName, Address;"
      Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
      
      Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
      
      Do Until rst1.EOF
          Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                  " SELECT '" & _
                  rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                  "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                  "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                  "' AS Address,"
          For Each fd In tdf.Fields
              Fnm = fd.Name
              If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
              Else
                  Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                          " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                          " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                          "' AND LastName = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                          "' AND Address = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                          "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                  Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                  
                  If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                      Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                              "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                  Else
                      Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                  End If
                  
              End If
          Next
          
          ' Remove trailing comma
          Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
          Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
          
          ' Append to destination table
          db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
          
          rst1.MoveNext
      Loop
      
      rst1.Close
      rst2.Close
      Set rst1 = Nothing
      Set rst2 = Nothing
      Set fd = Nothing
      Set tdf = Nothing
      Set db = Nothing
  End Sub
  '=====================================

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 15 12:13:03 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 19:13:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Programming Font
Message-ID: <s73c9a65.076@cactus.dk>

Hi all

I got so tired of the "normal" programming fonts that I did some research.
The new font from MS for the purpose is Consolas, but it is too tight.

Here's a great source on monospaced fonts for programming:

http://cg.scs.carleton.ca/~luc/mono.html

It also has a link for this site:

http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GoodProgrammerTypeface

where I located this quite good font:

http://www.ms-studio.com/FontSales/anonymous.html 

Also, the SaxMono and Verily and Share-Tech font here:

http://www.dafont.com/theme.php?cat=503


I stopped at Dutchfonts - the page is huge and several links are broken.
After all I ended up with Lucida Console which still is the best due to the readability of this test:

1. Number 1, lowercase L, lower/uppercase I:
1lIi

2. Zero, uppercase O, uppercase slashed O:
0O?

3. The four sets of brackets etc:
<{[()]}>

4. Quote combo:
''""'"'"

Other suggestions?

/gustav




From robert at webedb.com  Thu Nov 15 13:15:02 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 13:15:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1195149601.14884.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1195149601.14884.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200711151916.lAFJGhue025034@databaseadvisors.com>

Rocky,

You can get a 500 gb NAS unit for about $130 (Buy.com SimpleTech)

Just get 2 of them and take one home at night, and bring the other
one in the next morning.  Rotating backup.

Or, you can use something like I do for my photographs. I have an
Addonics USB case that will hold 4 PATA drives. With what I have
in it now, it is 1.32 tb. You could put 4 1tb drives in it and get
4 tb of storage.  I have a full copy of all photos on each of the 4
drives. Plus, I have DVDs that cover everything also. I plan on
getting a safe deposit box at the bank and putting the backup DVDs
in there.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 11/15/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:10:17 -0800
>From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>Dear List:
>
>Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
>I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
>product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
>site backup.
>
>Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
>which one?  Recommendations?
>
>TIA
>
>Rocky




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 15 13:27:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:27:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk>
	<012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <00ba01c827bd$8061bb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>

A.D.

I will get around to this, just not sure when.  Running this through Access
/ VBA is probably a non starter since not only are there a lot of fields
(>600), but also a lot of records (>50 million).  Thus if this is ever to
actually work it will need to be done in VB.Net.  My experience so far is
that VB.Net speeds things up by a factor of 10 or more.

Even then I would suggest something like pulling the field names that will
be actually used out and placing them (or maybe their numeric field position
in the record object) in a collection.  That way the code that iterates the
fields becomes a simple "for each in colValidFld" construct instead of a
constant comparison to see if they are in the string of non-valid fields.

If you place the valid field names in the collection, then the For Each loop
would "just have" the field names to build up the SQL statement.
Additionally I think you can use the field names to index into the field
collection to extract the values:

rst.fields(strFldName).value

Believe me, with 600 fields and 50 million records, it needs all the
efficiency it can get.

And BTW thanks for the code.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records

Gustav,

    In its present version, the suggested procedure does not open any
recordset for target table. After all the values meant to be inserted in
various fields are lined up, the pertinent record gets inserted in
destination table in one go via append query.

    As pointed out by you, pure recordset approach can also be adopted in
lieu of append query method. John states that the number of fields involved
is very large. That would require corresponding large number of assignment
calls from one recordset to the other.

    It might be interesting if an actual trial could be conducted over a
large data set, using append query visa-vis recordset approach. Perhaps John
could do it and let us know.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gustav Brock
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 13:43
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  Hi A.D.

  But - as you have the DAO recordset present - why not use AddNew/Update to
replace the slow "Insert Into .." SQL execution?

  /gustav

  >>> adtp at airtelbroadband.in 14-11-2007 20:49 >>>
  John,

      Apparently, each column carries only one significant value (over a
group of records) for each combination of person & address. Your objective
is to display only one compacted row per combination of person & address,
showing only the significant values for survey results in various columns
across the record.

      As a programmatic solution, the following course of action is
suggested:

      1 - Let the source table be named T_Data. Its first four fields are ID
(PK), FirstName, LastName and Address, followed by large number of other
fields (like Smokes etc) meant to hold survey response.

      2 - Create an empty table named T_Result. Its structure should be
identical to that of T_Data.

      3 - Create a dummy table T_Dummy having one field. Populate it with
one record.

      Having taken the above steps, if you run sample subroutine
P_PopulateResultTable as given below, table T_Result will get populated with
the compacted survey results in desired format. You might like to try it out
and confirm whether it is in line with what you have been aiming at.

      Note - It has been tested on Access 2003 desktop (Access 2000 file
format). Reference required - DAO 3.6

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

  Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
  T_data is source table. Results are appended to T_Result.
  '=====================================
  Sub P_PopulateResultTable()
      ' This subroutine merges the survey
      ' results for each person in source table
      ' T_Data and appends the outcome into
      ' destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
      ' is identical to that of T_Data
      ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
      
      Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
      Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
      Dim Fv As Variant
      
      Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
      Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
      Dim fd As Field
      Dim tdf As TableDef
      Dim db As DAO.Database
      
      Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
      Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
      Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
      
      ' Comma separated string of all field names
      ' that do not directly carry survey response
      Const ExemptFields As String = _
              "ID,FirstName,LastName,Address"
      
      Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
      
      ' Clear destination table
      db.Execute "DELETE * FROM " & _
                      DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
      
      Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
              "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
              " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
              "LastName, Address;"
      Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
      
      Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
      
      Do Until rst1.EOF
          Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                  " SELECT '" & _
                  rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                  "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                  "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                  "' AS Address,"
          For Each fd In tdf.Fields
              Fnm = fd.Name
              If InStr(ExemptFields, Fnm) > 0 Then
              Else
                  Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                          " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                          " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                          "' AND LastName = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                          "' AND Address = '" & _
                          rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                          "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
                  Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
                  
                  If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                      Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                              "' AS " & Fnm & ","
                  Else
                      Qst = Qst & " Null AS " & Fnm & ","
                  End If
                  
              End If
          Next
          
          ' Remove trailing comma
          Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
          Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
          
          ' Append to destination table
          db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
          
          rst1.MoveNext
      Loop
      
      rst1.Close
      rst2.Close
      Set rst1 = Nothing
      Set rst2 = Nothing
      Set fd = Nothing
      Set tdf = Nothing
      Set db = Nothing
  End Sub
  '=====================================
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Thu Nov 15 13:34:58 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:34:58 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <473C9F62.40103@mvps.org>

Rocky,

I have been using Carbonite for over a year now, on my business 
computer, home computers and my server.  Not only that, but I have 
referred a number of other people who are also using it bor business and 
personal machines.  I highly recommend it.  I have had absolutely no 
problems with it, it does the job exactly as advertised, and it 
completely removes the need to think or worry about data/document 
backup.  And you can't beat the price.

Of course, if you are talking about backup on the system level, disk 
imaging and whatnot, then that's in a different ballpark.

Regards
Steve


Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>  
> Dear List:
>  
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>  
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
> site backup.
>  
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
> 
> TIA
>  
> Rocky
>  


From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu Nov 15 13:49:44 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 21:49:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6374B25FBE5348639828BDA880CB236B@kost36PC>

Hi all,

Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them 
are moving year by year

many thank's to all

/kostas


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 13:52:16 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:52:16 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <001d01c827c1$06654290$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I'm backed up to an external HD.  So I'm covered there.  But I'd like an
off-site.  I had enough lead time in the fires to grab the EHD.  But if I
wasn't home it would not be good.
Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).  

But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
-
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 13:53:06 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:53:06 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <200711151916.lAFJGhue025034@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1195149601.14884.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200711151916.lAFJGhue025034@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c827c1$24303690$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Only one fly in that ointment: I work at home. :o)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Rocky,

You can get a 500 gb NAS unit for about $130 (Buy.com SimpleTech)

Just get 2 of them and take one home at night, and bring the other one in
the next morning.  Rotating backup.

Or, you can use something like I do for my photographs. I have an Addonics
USB case that will hold 4 PATA drives. With what I have in it now, it is
1.32 tb. You could put 4 1tb drives in it and get
4 tb of storage.  I have a full copy of all photos on each of the 4 drives.
Plus, I have DVDs that cover everything also. I plan on getting a safe
deposit box at the bank and putting the backup DVDs in there.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 11/15/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 05:10:17 -0800
>From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>Dear List:
>
>Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
>I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site 
>backup product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web 
>site for off site backup.
>
>Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if 
>so, which one?  Recommendations?
>
>TIA
>
>Rocky


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Nov 15 14:33:33 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:33:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
In-Reply-To: <6374B25FBE5348639828BDA880CB236B@kost36PC>
References: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl><A5615CBECEC42E4791
	D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D
	6D2800@phx.gbl> <6374B25FBE5348639828BDA880CB236B@kost36PC>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFE9@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I am sending you a database offline
Regards,
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days

Hi all,

Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them 
are moving year by year

many thank's to all

/kostas
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Thu Nov 15 15:39:10 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:39:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
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Jim,
Excellent work but what I need to know is how many working days
there are between two dates, so I will be able to count at all times
the paid holydays of my fulltime employees

thank's a lot
/kostas




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hale, Jim" <Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days


>
> I am sending you a database offline
> Regards,
> Jim Hale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
> are moving year by year
>
> many thank's to all
>
> /kostas
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Nov 15 15:49:28 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:49:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
References: <003801c82796$f9fb9010$0301a8c0@HAL9005><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B750FF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<009901c827ae$db89c0d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002401c827d1$6638dd70$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...I used to take a laptop with me to clients ...now I plug the stick into a 
usb port before bed each night and put it back on my neck after the morning 
shower ...any changes are updated while I sleep ...and no matter where I go 
during the day, all it takes is a usb port to go to work ...no more lugging 
a laptop around with me :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:
>
> http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).
>
> But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
> You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 
> a
> month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
> -
> it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
> in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Pricings are here:
>
> https://mozy.com/pro/pricing
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
> however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
> version.  How much do you pay?
>
> T&R
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
> and have been impressed with the features.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com  Thu Nov 15 16:05:12 2007
From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 16:05:12 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
References: <BAY127-W44F10F807C7032B22DC4BED2800@phx.gbl><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2B74E74@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><BAY127-W13E11A60769E50EB5B59D6D2800@phx.gbl><6374B25FBE5348639828BDA880CB236B@kost36PC><FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFE9@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
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Message-ID: <AF469F21946F6442B5D4FF79AB854D6428CBD8@msgswbmnmsp45.wellsfargo.com>

Kostas,

We keep a little table called Holiday, with the correct dates for all
holidays, including those dreadful floating ones.  Then before you count
days, you query that table for how many are between your first date and
your last date and you're all set.  You could include weekend days in
the table if you liked.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kostas
Konstantinidis
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 3:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days

Jim,
Excellent work but what I need to know is how many working days there
are between two dates, so I will be able to count at all times the paid
holydays of my fulltime employees

thank's a lot
/kostas




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>
> I am sending you a database offline
> Regards,
> Jim Hale
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Konstantinidis
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:50 PM
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> Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
> are moving year by year
>
> many thank's to all
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Nov 15 16:07:21 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 14:07:21 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
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Kostas:

I did this for my MRP system to calculate Order Date from Due Date  minus
lead time.  But never found a slick way to doit other than looping
backwards, starting with the due date, checking each date to see what day of
the week it was and also checking the holiday calendar to see if it was a
holiday - and decrementing a lead time counter each date that was determined
to be a work day.  Works fast enough but it's definitely brute force.

Rocky





 	
	

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Konstantinidis
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days

Hi all,

Does anybody know how it could be possible to count the work days between
two days excluding weekends and local holidays To my coutry there are
several dates as holidays and some of them are moving year by year

many thank's to all

/kostas
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From gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 15 17:17:06 2007
From: gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 00:17:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
Message-ID: <s73ce1a5.079@cactus.dk>

Hi Kostas

Here is the function we use:

Public Function ISO_WorkdayDiff( _
  ByVal datDateFrom As Date, _
  ByVal datDateTo As Date) _
  As Long

' Purpose: Calculate number of working days between dates datDateFrom and datDateTo.
' Assumes: 5 or 6 working days per week. Weekend is (Saturday and) Sunday.
' Limitation: Does not count for public holidays.
' May be freely used and distributed.
' 1999-04-23. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
' 2000-10-03. Constants added.
'             Option for 5 or 6 working days per week added.

  Const cbytWorkdaysOfWeek  As Byte = 5

  Dim bytSunday             As Byte
  Dim intWeekdayDateFrom    As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayDateTo      As Integer
  Dim lngDays               As Long
  Dim datDateTemp           As Date
  
  ' Reverse dates if these have been input reversed.
  If datDateFrom > datDateTo Then
    datDateTemp = datDateFrom
    datDateFrom = datDateTo
    datDateTo = datDateTemp
  End If
  
  ' Find ISO weekday for Sunday.
  bytSunday = WeekDay(vbSunday, vbMonday)
  
  ' Find weekdays for the dates.
  intWeekdayDateFrom = WeekDay(datDateFrom, vbMonday)
  intWeekdayDateTo = WeekDay(datDateTo, vbMonday)
  
  ' Compensate weekdays' value for non-working days (weekends).
  intWeekdayDateFrom = intWeekdayDateFrom + (intWeekdayDateFrom = bytSunday)
  intWeekdayDateTo = intWeekdayDateTo + (intWeekdayDateTo = bytSunday)
  
  ' Calculate number of working days between the two weekdays, ignoring number of weeks.
  lngDays = intWeekdayDateTo - intWeekdayDateFrom - (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * (intWeekdayDateTo < intWeekdayDateFrom))
  ' Add number of working days between the weeks of the two dates.
  lngDays = lngDays + (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * DateDiff("w", datDateFrom, datDateTo, vbMonday, vbFirstFourDays))
  
  ISO_WorkdayDiff = lngDays

End Function

To exclude holidays, look up and count the holidays from a table of holidays not falling in weekends; substract this number from the count of working days.

/gustav

>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 15-11-07 20:49 >>>
Hi all,

Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them 
are moving year by year

many thank's to all

/kostas
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From R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk  Fri Nov 16 03:24:17 2007
From: R.Griffiths at bury.gov.uk (Griffiths, Richard)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:24:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <473C9F62.40103@mvps.org>
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Hi

I use Carbonite. (?25 per year).  This service has to be seen for what it is, simply off line backup.
I have other local backup options as well. I see Carbonite as the last layer of support/backup.
If my pc/hard disk and backup devices get stolen, irreparable etc the I can log on to any pc/laptop and get back the latest versions of my files.

Richard
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: 15 November 2007 19:35
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Rocky,

I have been using Carbonite for over a year now, on my business 
computer, home computers and my server.  Not only that, but I have 
referred a number of other people who are also using it bor business and 
personal machines.  I highly recommend it.  I have had absolutely no 
problems with it, it does the job exactly as advertised, and it 
completely removes the need to think or worry about data/document 
backup.  And you can't beat the price.

Of course, if you are talking about backup on the system level, disk 
imaging and whatnot, then that's in a different ballpark.

Regards
Steve


Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>  
> Dear List:
>  
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>  
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
> site backup.
>  
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
> 
> TIA
>  
> Rocky
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Fri Nov 16 04:23:46 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:23:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
In-Reply-To: <s73ce1a5.079@cactus.dk>
References: <s73ce1a5.079@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CD97502FABA541028EFA2090883FC58F@kost36PC>

Gustav,
could you please show me the way to use that function
I am not really familiar with function's code
thank's a lot
/kostas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days


> Hi Kostas
>
> Here is the function we use:
>
> Public Function ISO_WorkdayDiff( _
>  ByVal datDateFrom As Date, _
>  ByVal datDateTo As Date) _
>  As Long
>
> ' Purpose: Calculate number of working days between dates datDateFrom and 
> datDateTo.
> ' Assumes: 5 or 6 working days per week. Weekend is (Saturday and) Sunday.
> ' Limitation: Does not count for public holidays.
> ' May be freely used and distributed.
> ' 1999-04-23. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
> ' 2000-10-03. Constants added.
> '             Option for 5 or 6 working days per week added.
>
>  Const cbytWorkdaysOfWeek  As Byte = 5
>
>  Dim bytSunday             As Byte
>  Dim intWeekdayDateFrom    As Integer
>  Dim intWeekdayDateTo      As Integer
>  Dim lngDays               As Long
>  Dim datDateTemp           As Date
>
>  ' Reverse dates if these have been input reversed.
>  If datDateFrom > datDateTo Then
>    datDateTemp = datDateFrom
>    datDateFrom = datDateTo
>    datDateTo = datDateTemp
>  End If
>
>  ' Find ISO weekday for Sunday.
>  bytSunday = WeekDay(vbSunday, vbMonday)
>
>  ' Find weekdays for the dates.
>  intWeekdayDateFrom = WeekDay(datDateFrom, vbMonday)
>  intWeekdayDateTo = WeekDay(datDateTo, vbMonday)
>
>  ' Compensate weekdays' value for non-working days (weekends).
>  intWeekdayDateFrom = intWeekdayDateFrom + (intWeekdayDateFrom = 
> bytSunday)
>  intWeekdayDateTo = intWeekdayDateTo + (intWeekdayDateTo = bytSunday)
>
>  ' Calculate number of working days between the two weekdays, ignoring 
> number of weeks.
>  lngDays = intWeekdayDateTo - intWeekdayDateFrom - (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * 
> (intWeekdayDateTo < intWeekdayDateFrom))
>  ' Add number of working days between the weeks of the two dates.
>  lngDays = lngDays + (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * DateDiff("w", datDateFrom, 
> datDateTo, vbMonday, vbFirstFourDays))
>
>  ISO_WorkdayDiff = lngDays
>
> End Function
>
> To exclude holidays, look up and count the holidays from a table of 
> holidays not falling in weekends; substract this number from the count of 
> working days.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 15-11-07 20:49 >>>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
> are moving year by year
>
> many thank's to all
>
> /kostas
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 07:30:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 08:30:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Grouping values in crosstab
Message-ID: <002101c82854$d5b1c3a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

You might remember I asked if it is possible to group values in a field
directly in a crosstab.

For example a crosstab of length of boat by state where you group 7-15 the
count of the values (lengths) in a crosstab column called 7 to 15.  Well...
I tried it directly in the crosstab.

SELECT St as USState, [7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14] as '7 To 14'
FROM(
SELECT     IR3863.dbo.vBaseBoatLength.St,
IR3863.dbo.vBaseBoatLength.Boat_Length_4_through_50_feet
FROM       IR3863.dbo.vBaseBoatLength ) tmpBoatLength
PIVOT 
(
COUNT(tmpBoatLength.Boat_Length_4_through_50_feet)
FOR tmpBoatLength.Boat_Length_4_through_50_feet IN([7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14]))
AS tmpBL
ORDER BY USState

vBaseBoatLength pulls the ST and Boat_Length_4_through_50_feet fields.

The query did not complain and is currently running.  I will report back
when I get the counts, which I will then cross check against a simple
count() where IN() query, but it certainly looks like it might be working.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 08:24:26 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:24:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.


From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Fri Nov 16 08:24:42 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:54:42 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk><012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>
	<00ba01c827bd$8061bb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <004101c8285c$9b5880b0$1557a27a@personalec1122>


    You are welcome John!  I have since optimized the subroutine still further. Taking into account the point raised by you, iteration through fields is now implemented based upon their number position. This eliminates the repeated check against InStr() function for excluding initial set of fields (not directly representing survey response). Instead, the loop starts at first survey field. In the sample case, position of this field, represented by constant PosOfFirstSurveyField is 5. You can substitute this figure by an appropriate value as required.

    Two versions of the optimized subroutine have been made out, one uses append query for final insertion, while the other depends upon recorset's AddNew method as suggested by Gustav.

    The first routine, named P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry() is placed below. The other one, named P_PopulateResultTableByRecordset() shall be sent by subsequent post, so as to avoid crossing the max size prescribed by the moderators.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
T_data is source table. Compacted results (ignoring
blanks) are appended to T_Result.
'====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results (ignoring blanks) for each person in source
    ' table T_Data and appends the compacted outcome
    ' into destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    Const PosOfFirstSurveyField As Long = 5
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        ' Build first part of SQL for appending Person
        ' and address particulars
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        
        ' Build balance portion of SQL for appending
        ' survey results (ignoring blanks), field-wise
        For Cnt = (PosOfFirstSurveyField - 1) _
                                To (tdf.Fields.Count - 1)
            Fnm = tdf.Fields(Cnt).Name
            Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
            Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
            
            ' This If/End If block is meant to prevent
            ' error (no current record) if rst2 is empty
            If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                        "' AS " & Fnm & ","
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 00:57
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.

  I will get around to this, just not sure when.  Running this through Access
  / VBA is probably a non starter since not only are there a lot of fields
  (>600), but also a lot of records (>50 million).  Thus if this is ever to
  actually work it will need to be done in VB.Net.  My experience so far is
  that VB.Net speeds things up by a factor of 10 or more.

  Even then I would suggest something like pulling the field names that will
  be actually used out and placing them (or maybe their numeric field position
  in the record object) in a collection.  That way the code that iterates the
  fields becomes a simple "for each in colValidFld" construct instead of a
  constant comparison to see if they are in the string of non-valid fields.

  If you place the valid field names in the collection, then the For Each loop
  would "just have" the field names to build up the SQL statement.
  Additionally I think you can use the field names to index into the field
  collection to extract the values:

  rst.fields(strFldName).value

  Believe me, with 600 fields and 50 million records, it needs all the
  efficiency it can get.

  And BTW thanks for the code.

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 08:26:10 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:26:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <009901c827ae$db89c0d0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <011c01c8285c$a31f5120$8119fea9@LTVM>

John Colby:

Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now have all
my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in an encrypted
file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the computers they will never
get access to the data without my 40 char key to mount the volumes.

Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks

Max



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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:

http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).  

But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 a
month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
-
it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Pricings are here:

https://mozy.com/pro/pricing

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
version.  How much do you pay?

T&R

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi Rocky:

I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
and have been impressed with the features.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

 
Dear List:
 
Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
 
I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for off
site backup.
 
Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
which one?  Recommendations?

TIA
 
Rocky
 
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Fri Nov 16 08:43:26 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:13:26 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk><012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122>
	<00ba01c827bd$8061bb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <006401c8285f$4a72a290$1557a27a@personalec1122>


    Sample subroutine named P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry() was sent in my previous post. Alternative routine, named P_PopulateResultTableByRecordset() is placed below. This one carries out the append action using AddNew method of recordset, instead of append query.

    An interesting feature of this routine is that you don't even have to bother about exempt fields or starting position of first survey field. It simply takes care of all fields.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results
T_data is source table. Compacted results (ignoring
blanks) are appended to T_Result.
'====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTableByRecordset()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results (ignoring blanks) for each person in source
    ' table T_Data and appends the compacted outcome
    ' into destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst3 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Set rst3 = db.OpenRecordset(DestnTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        ' Append survey results (ignoring blanks), field-wise
        rst3.AddNew
        
        For Cnt = 0 To tdf.Fields.Count - 1
            Fnm = tdf.Fields(Cnt).Name
            Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
            Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
            
            ' This If/End If block is meant to prevent
            ' error (no current record) if rst2 is empty
            If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                rst3.Fields(Fnm) = rst2.Fields(0)
            End If
        Next
        
        rst3.Update
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    rst3.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set rst3 = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 00:57
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.

  I will get around to this, just not sure when.  Running this through Access
  / VBA is probably a non starter since not only are there a lot of fields
  (>600), but also a lot of records (>50 million).  Thus if this is ever to
  actually work it will need to be done in VB.Net.  My experience so far is
  that VB.Net speeds things up by a factor of 10 or more.

  Even then I would suggest something like pulling the field names that will
  be actually used out and placing them (or maybe their numeric field position
  in the record object) in a collection.  That way the code that iterates the
  fields becomes a simple "for each in colValidFld" construct instead of a
  constant comparison to see if they are in the string of non-valid fields.

  If you place the valid field names in the collection, then the For Each loop
  would "just have" the field names to build up the SQL statement.
  Additionally I think you can use the field names to index into the field
  collection to extract the values:

  rst.fields(strFldName).value

  Believe me, with 600 fields and 50 million records, it needs all the
  efficiency it can get.

  And BTW thanks for the code.

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com 

From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 16 08:47:54 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:47:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005201c8285f$af0a4870$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Thanks, Arthur.

Your eloquence is in writing if not in speech,
and well received here.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday


> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise 
> ...



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 16 08:59:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 06:59:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101c82861$5c933870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A:

Well, it doesn't get any better, does it?  I'm a year behind you.  You've
really raised the bar on 60th bd celebrations.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 16 09:00:50 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:00:50 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c82861$7f386440$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A:

Well, it doesn't get any better, does it?  I'm a year behind you.  You've
really raised the bar on 60th bd celebrations.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 16 09:01:33 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:01:33 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W24B917D39CFB099D1DF066D2830@phx.gbl>


Happy Belated Birthday!!!


> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:24:26 -0500
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
>
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
> on me.
>
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
>
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 09:02:38 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:02:38 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711160702v2f16dc56k23712a92a4a7afe8@mail.gmail.com>

Belated happy birthday Arthur. I was having a hard time keeping the
party a secret <GRIN>

Glad you survived the surprize.

GK

On 11/16/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Last night was my 60th birthday
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From RRANTHON at sentara.com  Fri Nov 16 09:37:16 2007
From: RRANTHON at sentara.com (RANDALL R ANTHONY)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:37:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: SQL Load/Stress Test Utilities
Message-ID: <200711161537.lAGFbWbl032449@databaseadvisors.com>

Anyone have any experience with Microsoft's SQLIOSim or any third party tools for stress testing SQL 2000 or 2005.  Any recommendations? Thanks!


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 09:42:01 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:42:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401c82867$3b884cf0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Arthur,

In fact you took me to that restaurant (and the bookstore as well) when I
visited you a couple of years ago so I can attend your birthday party
through my memories of my visit. 

Happy 60th and may you have another 60 in good health.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 09:45:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:45:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] merging records
In-Reply-To: <004101c8285c$9b5880b0$1557a27a@personalec1122>
References: <s73c0db7.063@cactus.dk><012001c827b2$fe29bfb0$5e57a27a@personalec1122><00ba01c827bd$8061bb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<004101c8285c$9b5880b0$1557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <003501c82867$b1e4e610$6c7aa8c0@M90>

By position is brilliant where it will work, which in this specific file
(and in most I suspect) it definitely does.  Thanks for the idea.  I will
try to build an Access database with links to the SQL Server BE and test the
code to see how fast it is.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


    You are welcome John!  I have since optimized the subroutine still
further. Taking into account the point raised by you, iteration through
fields is now implemented based upon their number position. This eliminates
the repeated check against InStr() function for excluding initial set of
fields (not directly representing survey response). Instead, the loop starts
at first survey field. In the sample case, position of this field,
represented by constant PosOfFirstSurveyField is 5. You can substitute this
figure by an appropriate value as required.

    Two versions of the optimized subroutine have been made out, one uses
append query for final insertion, while the other depends upon recorset's
AddNew method as suggested by Gustav.

    The first routine, named P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry() is placed
below. The other one, named P_PopulateResultTableByRecordset() shall be sent
by subsequent post, so as to avoid crossing the max size prescribed by the
moderators.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample subroutine - for merging survey results T_data is source table.
Compacted results (ignoring
blanks) are appended to T_Result.
'====================================
Sub P_PopulateResultTableByAppQry()
    ' This subroutine merges the survey
    ' results (ignoring blanks) for each person in source
    ' table T_Data and appends the compacted outcome
    ' into destination table T_Result. Structure of T_Result
    ' is identical to that of T_Data
    ' T_Dummy is a single field single record table.
    
    Dim Qst As String, Txt As String
    Dim Fnm As String, Qst2 As String
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    Dim rst1 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim rst2 As DAO.Recordset
    Dim tdf As TableDef
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    
    Const SourceTable As String = "T_Data"
    Const DestnTable As String = "T_Result"
    Const DummyTable As String = "T_Dummy"
    Const PosOfFirstSurveyField As Long = 5
    
    Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
    
    ' Clear destination table
    db.Execute "DELETE FROM " & _
                    DestnTable & ";", dbFailOnError
    
    Qst = "SELECT FirstName, LastName, " & _
            "Address FROM " & SourceTable & _
            " GROUP BY FirstName, " & _
            "LastName, Address;"
    Set rst1 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst)
    
    Set tdf = db.TableDefs(SourceTable)
    
    Do Until rst1.EOF
        ' Build first part of SQL for appending Person
        ' and address particulars
        Qst = "INSERT INTO " & DestnTable & _
                " SELECT '" & _
                rst1.Fields("FirstName") & "' AS " & _
                "FirstName, '" & rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                "' AS LastName, '" & rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                "' AS Address,"
        
        ' Build balance portion of SQL for appending
        ' survey results (ignoring blanks), field-wise
        For Cnt = (PosOfFirstSurveyField - 1) _
                                To (tdf.Fields.Count - 1)
            Fnm = tdf.Fields(Cnt).Name
            Qst2 = "SELECT " & Fnm & _
                        " FROM " & SourceTable & _
                        " WHERE FirstName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("FirstName") & _
                        "' AND LastName = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("LastName") & _
                        "' AND Address = '" & _
                        rst1.Fields("Address") & _
                        "' AND Len(" & Fnm & ") > 0;"
            Set rst2 = db.OpenRecordset(Qst2)
            
            ' This If/End If block is meant to prevent
            ' error (no current record) if rst2 is empty
            If rst2.RecordCount > 0 Then
                Qst = Qst & " '" & rst2.Fields(0) & _
                        "' AS " & Fnm & ","
            End If
        Next
        
        ' Remove trailing comma
        Qst = Left(Qst, Len(Qst) - 1)
        Qst = Qst & " FROM " & DummyTable & ";"
        
        ' Append to destination table
        db.Execute Qst, dbFailOnError
        
        rst1.MoveNext
    Loop
    
    rst1.Close
    rst2.Close
    Set rst1 = Nothing
    Set rst2 = Nothing
    Set tdf = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: jwcolby
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 00:57
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] merging records


  A.D.

  I will get around to this, just not sure when.  Running this through
Access
  / VBA is probably a non starter since not only are there a lot of fields
  (>600), but also a lot of records (>50 million).  Thus if this is ever to
  actually work it will need to be done in VB.Net.  My experience so far is
  that VB.Net speeds things up by a factor of 10 or more.

  Even then I would suggest something like pulling the field names that will
  be actually used out and placing them (or maybe their numeric field
position
  in the record object) in a collection.  That way the code that iterates
the
  fields becomes a simple "for each in colValidFld" construct instead of a
  constant comparison to see if they are in the string of non-valid fields.

  If you place the valid field names in the collection, then the For Each
loop
  would "just have" the field names to build up the SQL statement.
  Additionally I think you can use the field names to index into the field
  collection to extract the values:

  rst.fields(strFldName).value

  Believe me, with 600 fields and 50 million records, it needs all the
  efficiency it can get.

  And BTW thanks for the code.

  John W. Colby
  Colby Consulting
  www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 09:52:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 07:52:04 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703DF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Happy Birthday, Arthur.  You're only a few years behind me!  My friends
mostly know that I don't like surprises, good or bad, so I think my
heart (and pacemaker) are safe. LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a
surprise party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I
have a favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and
operated by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that
that was where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a
reservation, little knowing that the entire restaurant had already been
booked. Khalid managed to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend
Norma and my sister Clare came with me, and there's a great
bookstore/recordstore next door which I insisted upon visiting, little
knowing that there was a party awaiting me next door. This is a small
restaurant (always a good sign), and when I walked in, I saw that the
whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables united into one
enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I realized bit by
bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a
collection of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food,
wonderful conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards.
Forced at one point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was
to thank my friends for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in
attendance for 30 or so years, some more. There were even emails from
persons who could not attend, such as one of my oldest friends, Paul
Grenkow, who teaches English in Beijing, who could not attend only
because his wife was expected to give birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov 16 10:10:02 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:10:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101c8286b$258fec60$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Sounds like it was a great present!

  Happy birthday Arthur!

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Nov 16 10:43:00 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:43:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDF3@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Happy Birthday Arthur!  Years ago we had good friends who lived in
Toronto and we would always eat in Indian restaurants, good authentic
cuisine.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
> 
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends 
> had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned 
> and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided 
> that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a 
> reservation, little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. 
> Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and 
> my sister Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next 
> door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party 
> awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a 
> dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and 
> finally it dawned
> on me.
> 
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find 
> oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I 
> have a collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and 
> cards. Forced at one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to 
> thank my friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in 
> attendance for 30 or so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who 
> could not attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was 
> expected to give
> birth on the day.
> 
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution 
> you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better 
> way to go.
> 
> A.
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 12:21:56 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:21:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
References: <011c01c8285c$a31f5120$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <002601c8287d$92678520$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client 
that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to 
take another look at this.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> John Colby:
>
> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now have 
> all
> my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in an encrypted
> file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the computers they will never
> get access to the data without my 40 char key to mount the volumes.
>
> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>
> Max
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:
>
> http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).
>
> But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
> You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20 
> a
> month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
> -
> it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
> in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Pricings are here:
>
> https://mozy.com/pro/pricing
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
> however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
> version.  How much do you pay?
>
> T&R
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
> and have been impressed with the features.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Nov 16 12:52:44 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 12:52:44 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <200711160908.lAG985121511@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
References: <001f01c82788$de8012b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005> 
	<473C9F62.40103@mvps.org> 
	<200711160908.lAG985121511@smarthost.yourcomms.net>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFF3@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


How big a process does it leave in memory? I had to ditch one service because they were a huge memory hog.
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Griffiths, Richard
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

Hi

I use Carbonite. (?25 per year).  This service has to be seen for what it is, simply off line backup.
I have other local backup options as well. I see Carbonite as the last layer of support/backup.
If my pc/hard disk and backup devices get stolen, irreparable etc the I can log on to any pc/laptop and get back the latest versions of my files.

Richard

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 13:10:32 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 19:10:32 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <002601c8287d$92678520$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <002601c82884$6003b930$8119fea9@LTVM>


Hi William:

Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:

SECURITY? STICK IT!
A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues. 
To read the full story follow the link below...
<http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180> 


I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password protected.
Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".

BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
options, etc.

At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
(being the developer) then nothing else works.

Max




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
take another look at this.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> John Colby:
>
> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now have 
> all
> my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in an encrypted
> file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the computers they will never
> get access to the data without my 40 char key to mount the volumes.
>
> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>
> Max
>
>
>
> ----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> LOL.  Make sure that you use a good encryption scheme.  I use TrueCrypt:
>
> http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 11:19 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> At work we use Iron Mountain (www.ironmountain.com).
>
> But why don't you just get a big flash drive and put it on your key chain.
> You'll always have your critical stuff with you then.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:51 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Well, my local ghost  backup runs to 35GB - so that gets me into about $20

> a
> month.  I can FTP my stuff myself to me web site - plenty of space there
> -
> it's just the discipline.  I send the critical stuff up there sporadically
> in an encrypted zip file.  The upload time is a killer, though.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 6:33 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Pricings are here:
>
> https://mozy.com/pro/pricing
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Looks good from the web page.  I couldn't figure out how much it costs,
> however, if you want more than 2GB.  Guess you have to go with the Pro
> version.  How much do you pay?
>
> T&R
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 5:23 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> Hi Rocky:
>
> I'm using MozyPro (for clients and myself) ... www.mozy.com. I've like it,
> and have been impressed with the features.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 7:10 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> Maybe a bit OT but hopefully some answers that will be useful to all.
>
> I've just been solicited by WinZip Computing to try their off-site backup
> product Carbonite.  I occasionally FTP some stuff up to my web site for 
> off
> site backup.
>
> Are any of you doing off-site through a third party product?  And if so,
> which one?  Recommendations?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Fri Nov 16 14:44:47 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:44:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY ARTHUR
Glad to hear you had a wonderful time.  Enjoy life!!
Patti
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 09:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
> 
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends 
> had a surprise party for me. I was completely clueless about 
> its occurrence. I have a favourite Indian restaurant in 
> Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated by a good friend 
> called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was where 
> I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a 
> reservation, little knowing that the entire restaurant had 
> already been booked. Khalid managed to keep a straight voice 
> when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare came with 
> me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which 
> I insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a 
> party awaiting me next door. This is a small restaurant 
> (always a good sign), and when I walked in, I saw that the 
> whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables united into 
> one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I 
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and 
> finally it dawned on me.
> 
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find 
> oneself as the centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded 
> by good friends, is truly breathtaking -- and humbling. For 
> some reason or other, I have a collection of quality people 
> to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful 
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and 
> cards. Forced at one point to stand and make a speech, all I 
> could manage was to thank my friends for being my friends. 
> I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so years, 
> some more. There were even emails from persons who could not 
> attend, such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who 
> teaches English in Beijing, who could not attend only because 
> his wife was expected to give birth on the day.
> 
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution 
> you to think carefully about holding a surprise party for 
> 60yo people. The heart palpitations are unbelievable. On the 
> other hand, what better way to go.
> 
> A.
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Fri Nov 16 15:01:27 2007
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:01:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
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Happy belated Birthday Arthur. Sounds like you had such a great time!


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Nov 16 15:44:45 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:44:45 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
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Happy birthday Arthur!  Wow, 60 years old...is it about time to get a
Mac? <VBG>

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a
surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and
operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation,
little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid
managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister
Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which
I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting
me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen
tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it
dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a
collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at
one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my
friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or
so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not
attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 16 15:46:01 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:46:01 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
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References: <002601c8287d$92678520$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<002601c82884$6003b930$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <005801c8289a$15263800$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file that
contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does take
a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that you
can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.

I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.  The
TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have admin
rights in order to do this.

I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.

Just don't forget your password.

I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:

Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
MhAlLhFwWaS
(use alternating upper and lower case)
Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
0MhAlLhFwWaS9
Now throw two special characters in front of that
!0MhAlLhFwWaS9@

That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
twice, perhaps

Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

!0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
plus numbers and special symbols.  

Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
strength memorable password.

http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


Hi William:

Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:

SECURITY? STICK IT!
A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues. 
To read the full story follow the link below...
<http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180> 


I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password protected.
Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".

BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
options, etc.

At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
(being the developer) then nothing else works.

Max




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
take another look at this.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> John Colby:
>
> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now 
> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in 
> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the 
> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char 
> key to mount the volumes.
>
> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>
> Max



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 16:57:17 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:57:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <002601c8287d$92678520$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002601c82884$6003b930$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<005801c8289a$15263800$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000c01c828a4$098c5b00$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around 
my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most 
everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go 
to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune 
...shows my age, it does :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file 
>that
> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does 
> take
> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that 
> you
> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>
> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted. 
> The
> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have 
> admin
> rights in order to do this.
>
> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>
> Just don't forget your password.
>
> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>
> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
> MhAlLhFwWaS
> (use alternating upper and lower case)
> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
> Now throw two special characters in front of that
> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>
> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
> twice, perhaps
>
> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>
> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>
> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
> plus numbers and special symbols.
>
> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
> strength memorable password.
>
> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Hi William:
>
> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>
> SECURITY? STICK IT!
> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
> To read the full story follow the link below...
> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>
>
> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password 
> protected.
> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>
> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
> options, etc.
>
> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
> take another look at this.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
>> John Colby:
>>
>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in
>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>> key to mount the volumes.
>>
>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>
>> Max
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 17:00:42 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:00:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001c828a4$83e30520$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

Arthur

...may you share many, many more with your friends, both here and there.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday


> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, 
> little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister 
> Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it 
> dawned
> on me.
>
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a 
> collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at 
> one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my 
> friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or 
> so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not 
> attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
>
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
>
> A.
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Nov 16 17:04:44 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:04:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C680@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <001801c828a5$1436a6e0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...that's 60 years YOUNG, you pup! ...someday soon we'll talk about trading 
in your Playstation II for a real computer :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday


> Happy birthday Arthur!  Wow, 60 years old...is it about time to get a
> Mac? <VBG>
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
>
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a
> surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and
> operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation,
> little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid
> managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister
> Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which
> I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting
> me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen
> tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it
> dawned
> on me.
>
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a
> collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at
> one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my
> friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or
> so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not
> attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
>
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
>
> A.
> -- 
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> person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI 
> Proprietary and/or II-VI BusinessSensitve material. If you are not the 
> intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the 
> material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are 
> notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, 
> dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon 
> this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient 
> is prohibited.
>
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From joeget at vgernet.net  Fri Nov 16 17:29:09 2007
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:29:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
	<001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop>

usable on the web


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based


> Hmmm ...
>
> This is one of those "it depends" questions.
>
> If you're looking to merely present tabular data on the web, with perhaps 
> a
> couple of lookups, filters, etc. this wouldn't be a problem.
>
> However, if you're app has a lot of custom functions, business logic, 
> etc.,
> then it will be a much larger project.
>
> Is the focus to make the application "usable on the web" or do you merely
> need to enable remote access to the app?
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Eget
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:42 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
>
> My boss asked me today "What would be the effort to make an existing
> Microsoft Access application usable on the Web".  I could find no 
> references
> in any of the books I have as a reference.  Any idea what I can say or 
> where
> to look?
>
> Thanks for the thoughts and chuckles
>
> John
> --
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>
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From pcs at azizaz.com  Fri Nov 16 18:01:57 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:01:57 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
Message-ID: <20071117100157.DHS43880@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Arthur,
Your story touched my heart...happy Birthday!
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 09:24:26 -0500
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>  
>Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday  
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends
had a surprise
>party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. 
......


From accessd at shaw.ca  Sat Nov 17 00:38:11 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 22:38:11 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A925AFB392314F55902229B70D4B3D48@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Arthur; What a night to remember. Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Nov 17 03:05:00 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:05:00 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C680@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000001c828f8$efaef440$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Happy Birthday Arthur. Sounds like my idea of the ideal party.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: 16 November 2007 21:45
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
> 
> 
> Happy birthday Arthur!  Wow, 60 years old...is it about time 
> to get a Mac? <VBG>
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 8:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
> 
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends 
> had a surprise party for me. I was completely clueless about 
> its occurrence. I have a favourite Indian restaurant in 
> Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated by a good friend 
> called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was where 
> I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a 
> reservation, little knowing that the entire restaurant had 
> already been booked. Khalid managed to keep a straight voice 
> when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare came with 
> me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which 
> I insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a 
> party awaiting me next door. This is a small restaurant 
> (always a good sign), and when I walked in, I saw that the 
> whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables united into 
> one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I 
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and 
> finally it dawned on me.
> 
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find 
> oneself as the centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded 
> by good friends, is truly breathtaking -- and humbling. For 
> some reason or other, I have a collection of quality people 
> to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful 
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and 
> cards. Forced at one point to stand and make a speech, all I 
> could manage was to thank my friends for being my friends. 
> I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so years, 
> some more. There were even emails from persons who could not 
> attend, such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who 
> teaches English in Beijing, who could not attend only because 
> his wife was expected to give birth on the day.
> 
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution 
> you to think carefully about holding a surprise party for 
> 60yo people. The heart palpitations are unbelievable. On the 
> other hand, what better way to go.
> 
> A.
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> The information contained in this transmission is intended 
> only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and 
> may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI BusinessSensitve 
> material. If you are not the intended recipient, please 
> contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in 
> its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are 
> notified that any review, retransmission, copying, 
> disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any 
> action in reliance upon this information by persons or 
> entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.
> 
> 
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> 
> 




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 03:33:16 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:33:16 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <005801c8289a$15263800$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003001c828fc$e2cd3cb0$8119fea9@LTVM>


Hi John,
Yes, this is something that I will now set up, especially for my laptop and
memory stick.

FYI I also use cGeep to encrypt sensitive emails (www cgeep com) which uses
PGP encryption plus there is a web based version for those who do not want
to install it.  It can also encrypt files/directories directly which avoid
the need to mount a volume.  But what is great with TrueCrypt is that it
will run apps or all kinds directly from the encrypted file without storing
any decrypted data anywhere other than in memory.

All in all, in a few weeks I will have great encryption right across the
board.

Another trick which is easy to remember is "positioning" keys. Ie,
"qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhn" which if you look at a keyboard you will see that it
just traverses up/down across the key pad.  As long as  you remember
whatever positioning you use, then you actually do not need to even remember
the passphrase.  Needless to say, this positioning example is not my one
<smile>.  Throw a couple of other keys in with the alpha keys then it just
won't make any sense if terms of "real words" for brute force decryption
(although I think the TrueCrypt mention something like a billion years to
decrypt with a  supercomputer, so pretty safe really).

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file that
contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does take
a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that you
can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.

I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.  The
TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have admin
rights in order to do this.

I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.

Just don't forget your password.

I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:

Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow MhAlLhFwWaS (use
alternating upper and lower case) Throw two numbers in front of, behind or
around it
0MhAlLhFwWaS9
Now throw two special characters in front of that !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@

That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
twice, perhaps

Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

!0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
plus numbers and special symbols.  

Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
strength memorable password.

http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


Hi William:

Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:

SECURITY? STICK IT!
A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues. 
To read the full story follow the link below...
<http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180> 


I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password protected.
Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".

BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
options, etc.

At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
(being the developer) then nothing else works.

Max




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup

...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
take another look at this.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup


> John Colby:
>
> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now 
> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in 
> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the 
> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char 
> key to mount the volumes.
>
> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>
> Max

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 03:38:04 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:38:04 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <000c01c828a4$098c5b00$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM>

Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world famous
though.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
...shows my age, it does :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file 
>that
> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does 
> take
> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that 
> you
> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>
> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted. 
> The
> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have 
> admin
> rights in order to do this.
>
> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>
> Just don't forget your password.
>
> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>
> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
> MhAlLhFwWaS
> (use alternating upper and lower case)
> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
> Now throw two special characters in front of that
> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>
> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
> twice, perhaps
>
> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>
> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>
> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
> plus numbers and special symbols.
>
> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
> strength memorable password.
>
> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
> Hi William:
>
> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>
> SECURITY? STICK IT!
> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees store
> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security threats
> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
> To read the full story follow the link below...
> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>
>
> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password 
> protected.
> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>
> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
> options, etc.
>
> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a client
> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
> take another look at this.
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>
>
>> John Colby:
>>
>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in
>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>> key to mount the volumes.
>>
>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>
>> Max
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sat Nov 17 04:21:51 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:21:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAFF3@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <001201c82903$ab5e16d0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Yea this would be my question too. I might download the trial and see but
those of you who are already using Carbonite can probably answer the
question for us. The website blurb says it "works quietly and continuously
in the background". That worries me. I sometimes feel my PC has so much
stuff working "quietly" in the background that I've got no foreground left
(yes, just fitted more RAM before you ask). So can anyone give their
experience on what the performance hit is of Carbonite?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
> Sent: 16 November 2007 18:53
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
> 
> 
> 
> How big a process does it leave in memory? I had to ditch one 
> service because they were a huge memory hog. Jim Hale 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Griffiths, Richard
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 3:24 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
> 
> Hi
> 
> I use Carbonite. (?25 per year).  This service has to be seen 
> for what it is, simply off line backup. I have other local 
> backup options as well. I see Carbonite as the last layer of 
> support/backup. If my pc/hard disk and backup devices get 
> stolen, irreparable etc the I can log on to any pc/laptop and 
> get back the latest versions of my files.
> 
> Richard
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Nov 17 09:43:55 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:43:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological 
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code 
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that 
old :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file
>>that
>> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another 
>> encrypted
>> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does
>> take
>> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that
>> you
>> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
>> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>>
>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
>> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.
>> The
>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
>> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
>> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have
>> admin
>> rights in order to do this.
>>
>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>
>> Just don't forget your password.
>>
>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
>> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>
>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
>> MhAlLhFwWaS
>> (use alternating upper and lower case)
>> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>> Now throw two special characters in front of that
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>
>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do 
>> that
>> twice, perhaps
>>
>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
>> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
>> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, 
>> whatever
>> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each 
>> word,
>> plus numbers and special symbols.
>>
>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that 
>> would
>> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
>> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
>> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
>> strength memorable password.
>>
>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>> Hi William:
>>
>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>
>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees 
>> store
>> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security 
>> threats
>> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>
>>
>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password
>> protected.
>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
>> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>
>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
>> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
>> options, etc.
>>
>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
>> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a 
>> client
>> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
>> take another look at this.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>>> John Colby:
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in
>>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>
>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>
>>> Max
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 17 10:27:46 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:27:46 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000301c82936$ca838990$8119fea9@LTVM>

>besides which, only Charlotte is that old

Oh dear, are you going to get your legs slapped or what?
 
Max
Ps, As long as I don't look in the mirror, I am only 30'ish.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file
>>that
>> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another 
>> encrypted
>> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does
>> take
>> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that
>> you
>> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
>> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>>
>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
>> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.
>> The
>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
>> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
>> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have
>> admin
>> rights in order to do this.
>>
>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>
>> Just don't forget your password.
>>
>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
>> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>
>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
>> MhAlLhFwWaS
>> (use alternating upper and lower case)
>> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>> Now throw two special characters in front of that
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>
>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do 
>> that
>> twice, perhaps
>>
>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
>> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
>> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, 
>> whatever
>> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each 
>> word,
>> plus numbers and special symbols.
>>
>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that 
>> would
>> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
>> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
>> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
>> strength memorable password.
>>
>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>> Hi William:
>>
>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>
>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees 
>> store
>> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security 
>> threats
>> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>
>>
>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password
>> protected.
>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now contain
>> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>
>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined in
>> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing data
>> options, etc.
>>
>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am trusted
>> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a 
>> client
>> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have to
>> take another look at this.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>>> John Colby:
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's in
>>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>
>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>
>>> Max
>>
>> -- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 17 12:15:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 13:15:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <000301c82936$ca838990$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000301c82936$ca838990$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <008301c82945$db6d1320$6c7aa8c0@M90>

>Ps, As long as I don't look in the mirror, I am only 30'ish.

ROTFL.  ME TOO! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 11:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

>besides which, only Charlotte is that old

Oh dear, are you going to get your legs slapped or what?
 
Max
Ps, As long as I don't look in the mirror, I am only 30'ish.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world 
> famous though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain 
> around my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore 
> because most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, 
> log-on, sync, and go to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but 
> based on an Elvis tune ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted 
>>file that  contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have 
>>another  encrypted  drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if 
>>the laptop ever does  take  a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other 
>>nice thing about this is that  you  can backup all your work by 
>>copying a single encrypted file to a backup  location.  If that backup 
>>location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.
>>
>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an 
>> encrypted file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is
encrypted.
>> The
>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run 
>> from there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run 
>> TrueCrypt, mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do 
>> have to have admin rights in order to do this.
>>
>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>
>> Just don't forget your password.
>>
>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special 
>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you 
>> are first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>
>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow MhAlLhFwWaS (use 
>> alternating upper and lower case) Throw two numbers in front of, 
>> behind or around it
>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>> Now throw two special characters in front of that !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>
>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do 
>> that twice, perhaps
>>
>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water 
>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together 
>> are pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you 
>> have it assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, 
>> song, whatever you already have remembered and just use the first 
>> character of each word, plus numbers and special symbols.
>>
>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that 
>> would crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 
>> 21 characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 
>> 10 seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an 
>> industrial strength memorable password.
>>
>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>> Hi William:
>>
>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>
>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees 
>> store work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious 
>> security threats and exposure as well as compliance and information 
>> management issues.
>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>
>>
>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password 
>> protected.
>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now 
>> contain encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>
>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do things"
>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined 
>> in postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, 
>> printing data options, etc.
>>
>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am 
>> trusted (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a 
>> client that is very concerned about employees stealing his data 
>> ...I'll have to take another look at this.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>>> John Colby:
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now 
>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's 
>>> in an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the 
>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char 
>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>
>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>
>>> Max
>>
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 17 13:55:41 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:55:41 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
In-Reply-To: <010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop>
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
	<001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000>
	<010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <473F473D.50403@mvps.org>

John,

Do you mean by the general public at large?  Or restricted to a specific 
set of users?  If the latter, how many?

Your answer to Lawrence was not clear to me, as using an application via 
remote access / terminal server *is* "usable on the web".

Regards
Steve


John Eget wrote:
> usable on the web
> 


From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 17 13:57:55 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:57:55 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <473F47C3.4000500@mvps.org>

Thanks for sharing this great story, Arthur.  And congratulations.

Regards
Steve

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
> on me.
> 
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
> 
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
> 
> A.


From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 17 14:25:22 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:25:22 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <001201c82903$ab5e16d0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <001201c82903$ab5e16d0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <473F4E32.7060900@mvps.org>

Andy,

There is a setting in Carbonite for "low priority" on internet usage, so 
the backup upload only happens when there is no other internet traffic 
happening.  I haven't measured it in any way, but the actual system 
resources used seems to be very low, and I noticed no performance hit at 
all from a "foreground" point of view.

It is very easy to select within Windows Explorer which files and/or 
folders you want included in the backup.  I found I had to remove my 
email folders from the regular backup, as these are large and changing 
frequently, which was increasing my internet usage hugely.  Apart from 
that, I have found it great.

Let me know if you would like me to send you an invitation... If you 
install via an invitation by an existing user, and if you eventually 
subscribe, you get 13 months for the price of 12 (and oh yes, the 
inviter also gets a bonus added to their account too ;-) ).

Regards
Steve


Andy Lacey wrote:
> Yea this would be my question too. I might download the trial and see but
> those of you who are already using Carbonite can probably answer the
> question for us. The website blurb says it "works quietly and continuously
> in the background". That worries me. I sometimes feel my PC has so much
> stuff working "quietly" in the background that I've got no foreground left
> (yes, just fitted more RAM before you ask). So can anyone give their
> experience on what the performance hit is of Carbonite?
> 


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sat Nov 17 14:35:51 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:35:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <473F50A7.6030602@torchlake.com>

Happy birthday, Arthur.  I hope you celebrate for several days or 
weeks!  You are a lucky man to have such good friends - and they (and 
we) are truly fortunate to have you as a friend.
Best regards,
Tina

Arthur Fuller wrote:
> Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
> party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
> favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
> by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
> where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
> knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
> to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
> came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
> insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
> next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
> walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
> united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
> realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
> on me.
>
> To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
> centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
> breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
> of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
> conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
> point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
> for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
> years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
> such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
> Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
> birth on the day.
>
> I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
> carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
> palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.
>
> A.
>   


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sat Nov 17 14:41:53 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:41:53 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <001801c828a5$1436a6e0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C6BB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I've never owned a Playstation. Just Nintendos.

;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

...that's 60 years YOUNG, you pup! ...someday soon we'll talk about
trading 
in your Playstation II for a real computer :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday


> Happy birthday Arthur!  Wow, 60 years old...is it about time to get a
> Mac? <VBG>
>
> Drew
>

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sat Nov 17 14:45:48 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 14:45:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C6BC@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I have never been more worried for you William, even cane after cane
coming after ya, did you taunt them too? ;)

Drew

P.S.--You'll be missed.
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
gerontological 
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code

before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is
that 
old :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>

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From joeget at vgernet.net  Sat Nov 17 18:09:20 2007
From: joeget at vgernet.net (John Eget)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 19:09:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop><001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000><010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop>
	<473F473D.50403@mvps.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>

Steve

The application would be restricted to a specific set of users thru a 
security login.  The most users at anyone time would be around 20 or so.  We 
are using a split database (backend on server and front end on individual 
PCs) and my management would like users that are teleworking to login and 
add/edit records of their activities

Thanks for the reply

John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Schapel" <miscellany at mvps.org>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based


> John,
>
> Do you mean by the general public at large?  Or restricted to a specific
> set of users?  If the latter, how many?
>
> Your answer to Lawrence was not clear to me, as using an application via
> remote access / terminal server *is* "usable on the web".
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
>
> John Eget wrote:
>> usable on the web
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 17 20:15:30 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:15:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
Message-ID: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Folks (the Americans out there anyway), I don't normally do this but I think
this is a huge opportunity to help the world, and time is running out for
one particular aspect of this program.  What I am talking about is the One
Laptop Per Child program which is just getting off the ground.  The link
below is to the web page for the organization that is running this program.
I have been there, it is legit and will not load any nasties on your system.


You can see reviews here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04pogue.html?_r=1&oref
=slogin

With links to this same website where you can participate:

http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php

We can make a difference by simply donating (tax deductible) a laptop, or
you can do a "give one get one" where you essentially pay for two and one is
sent to you, and another is sent to a child in a developing nation.  THAT
offer expires on November 26th so if you want to participate in that, do it
now.

This thing is very real, not a scam, and I have been watching it develop for
several years.  The "Give one get one" program is a limited time deal and
only lasts for another 10 days which is why I think now is the time to think
about this if you have a youngster that could use such a system (and who
doesn't)?

I also don't EVER do this but I am making an exception now; I would ask you
to send this email on to other acquaintances who might be interested.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 17 20:30:16 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:30:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Access application to WEb Based
In-Reply-To: <001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop>
	<001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000>
	<010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop> <473F473D.50403@mvps.org>
	<001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <473FA3B8.4000405@mvps.org>

John,

If you want your users to be able to use the database via a browser, 
then you would need to move away from the Access application for this 
purpose.  The Access application could still be deployed on the local 
network, but for the web functionality you would need to have the server 
set up as a web server, and write a separate front-end application using 
a web technology such as ASP.Net or SharePoint (being the two most 
likely candidates).

However, in the scenario you have described, it would be a lot cheaper 
and easier to have your teleworking users to use their existing Access 
frontend remotely.  It may be possible, depending on your local network 
setup, to simply enable an RDP connection to their PCs.  Otherwise, an 
option would be to dedicate a machine for the purpose, and install 
WinConnect Server, which allows up to 21 remote connections to a Windows 
XP or Small Business Server machine.  I use this myself, to good effect.

Regards
Steve

-- 
Steve Schapel, Microsoft Access MVP


John Eget wrote:
> Steve
> 
> The application would be restricted to a specific set of users thru a 
> security login.  The most users at anyone time would be around 20 or so.  We 
> are using a split database (backend on server and front end on individual 
> PCs) and my management would like users that are teleworking to login and 
> add/edit records of their activities
> 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov 18 00:53:58 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 22:53:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I saw this on the news.  Promoting this is a good use of the
Databaseadvisors  resources.

Do you know what the tech specs are on the machine?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)

Folks (the Americans out there anyway), I don't normally do this but I think
this is a huge opportunity to help the world, and time is running out for
one particular aspect of this program.  What I am talking about is the One
Laptop Per Child program which is just getting off the ground.  The link
below is to the web page for the organization that is running this program.
I have been there, it is legit and will not load any nasties on your system.


You can see reviews here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04pogue.html?_r=1&oref
=slogin

With links to this same website where you can participate:

http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php

We can make a difference by simply donating (tax deductible) a laptop, or
you can do a "give one get one" where you essentially pay for two and one is
sent to you, and another is sent to a child in a developing nation.  THAT
offer expires on November 26th so if you want to participate in that, do it
now.

This thing is very real, not a scam, and I have been watching it develop for
several years.  The "Give one get one" program is a limited time deal and
only lasts for another 10 days which is why I think now is the time to think
about this if you have a youngster that could use such a system (and who
doesn't)?

I also don't EVER do this but I am making an exception now; I would ask you
to send this email on to other acquaintances who might be interested.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sun Nov 18 01:04:16 2007
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:04:16 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>


On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to
bring up a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, I
re-query the invoking continuous form to update the details.  This of
course takes me back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I want it
to stay where it is.  

I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....

Stephen Bond



From miscellany at mvps.org  Sun Nov 18 01:19:06 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:19:06 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
In-Reply-To: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>
References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <473FE76A.1040405@mvps.org>

Stephen,

In a nutshell... You need to assign the primary key value of the current 
record to a variable, prior to the requery, and then after the requery, 
you can use code to find that record again.

Regards
Steve


Stephen wrote:
> On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to
> bring up a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, I
> re-query the invoking continuous form to update the details.  This of
> course takes me back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I want it
> to stay where it is.  
> 
> I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....
> 
> Stephen Bond
> 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov 18 01:35:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 23:35:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
In-Reply-To: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>
References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB8@server.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <005901c829b5$953f6b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Stephen:

Save the primary key in a long variable. Do the requery. Then use FindFirst
and bookmark to set the recordset pointer back to the  original record:

        Me.RecordsetClone.FindFirst "ClientGroupID=" & lngClientGroupID
        If Me.RecordsetClone.NoMatch = False Then
            Me.Bookmark = Me.RecordsetClone.Bookmark
        Else
            MsgBox "Could not return to selected record", vbExclamation
        End If

HTH 

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 11:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer


On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to bring up
a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, I re-query the
invoking continuous form to update the details.  This of course takes me
back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I want it to stay where it
is.  

I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sun Nov 18 01:41:42 2007
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:41:42 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EB9@server.BondSoftware.local>

But how can I know when the invoking form gets the focus back from the
now closed dialog box.  I tested some (not all) events in the invoking
form (GotFocus etc), and none seemed to fire.  There is something I'm
missing here ...

BTW the invoking form is a subform of a tab in a tab control, but that
shouldn't matter should it?

Stephen

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 8:30 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer

Stephen,

In a nutshell... You need to assign the primary key value of the current
record to a variable, prior to the requery, and then after the requery,
you can use code to find that record again.

Regards
Steve


Stephen wrote:
> On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to 
> bring up a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, 
> I re-query the invoking continuous form to update the details.  This 
> of course takes me back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I 
> want it to stay where it is.
> 
> I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....
> 
> Stephen Bond
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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sun Nov 18 01:47:00 2007
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:47:00 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EBA@server.BondSoftware.local>

More info.  The Requery is done from the dialog box form.  It requeries
the invoking form.  

S 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Sunday, 18 November 2007 8:30 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer

Stephen,

In a nutshell... You need to assign the primary key value of the current
record to a variable, prior to the requery, and then after the requery,
you can use code to find that record again.

Regards
Steve


Stephen wrote:
> On a continuous form containing record vestiges I click a button to 
> bring up a dialog box to edit the full record.  When that's finished, 
> I re-query the invoking continuous form to update the details.  This 
> of course takes me back to the beginning of the continuous form.  I 
> want it to stay where it is.
> 
> I thought I had the solution once but can't find it.  Any ideas .....
> 
> Stephen Bond
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Nov 18 03:18:25 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:18:25 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
In-Reply-To: <473F4E32.7060900@mvps.org>
Message-ID: <002f01c829c3$f95afb30$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Thanks Steve. I'll get back to you for an invite if I go ahead.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Steve Schapel
> Sent: 17 November 2007 20:25
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> There is a setting in Carbonite for "low priority" on 
> internet usage, so 
> the backup upload only happens when there is no other 
> internet traffic 
> happening.  I haven't measured it in any way, but the actual system 
> resources used seems to be very low, and I noticed no 
> performance hit at 
> all from a "foreground" point of view.
> 
> It is very easy to select within Windows Explorer which files and/or 
> folders you want included in the backup.  I found I had to remove my 
> email folders from the regular backup, as these are large and 
> changing 
> frequently, which was increasing my internet usage hugely.  
> Apart from 
> that, I have found it great.
> 
> Let me know if you would like me to send you an invitation... If you 
> install via an invitation by an existing user, and if you eventually 
> subscribe, you get 13 months for the price of 12 (and oh yes, the 
> inviter also gets a bonus added to their account too ;-) ).
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> Andy Lacey wrote:
> > Yea this would be my question too. I might download the 
> trial and see 
> > but those of you who are already using Carbonite can 
> probably answer 
> > the question for us. The website blurb says it "works quietly and 
> > continuously in the background". That worries me. I 
> sometimes feel my 
> > PC has so much stuff working "quietly" in the background 
> that I've got 
> > no foreground left (yes, just fitted more RAM before you 
> ask). So can 
> > anyone give their experience on what the performance hit is of 
> > Carbonite?
> > 
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Nov 18 10:27:14 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:27:14 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy>

Good Morning to the list,

I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to create it.
Works great.
The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or null,
not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some statistical jive later
down the road.
So, how can I output a null?

TIA

Bob Heygood






 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 6:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] (no subject)

Folks (the Americans out there anyway), I don't normally do this but I think
this is a huge opportunity to help the world, and time is running out for
one particular aspect of this program.  What I am talking about is the One
Laptop Per Child program which is just getting off the ground.  The link
below is to the web page for the organization that is running this program.
I have been there, it is legit and will not load any nasties on your system.


You can see reviews here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/04/technology/circuits/04pogue.html?_r=1&oref
=slogin

With links to this same website where you can participate:

http://www.laptopgiving.org/en/index.php

We can make a difference by simply donating (tax deductible) a laptop, or
you can do a "give one get one" where you essentially pay for two and one is
sent to you, and another is sent to a child in a developing nation.  THAT
offer expires on November 26th so if you want to participate in that, do it
now.

This thing is very real, not a scam, and I have been watching it develop for
several years.  The "Give one get one" program is a limited time deal and
only lasts for another 10 days which is why I think now is the time to think
about this if you have a youngster that could use such a system (and who
doesn't)?

I also don't EVER do this but I am making an exception now; I would ask you
to send this email on to other acquaintances who might be interested.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 10:33:49 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:33:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to create 
> it.
> Works great.
> The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or null,
> not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some statistical jive 
> later
> down the road.
> So, how can I output a null?

=======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are you 
sure you really want to do that?

Susan H. 



From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Nov 18 10:47:22 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 08:47:22 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy>
	<00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy>

Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats. 

Thanks for replying.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

> I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to 
> create it.
> Works great.
> The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or 
> null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some statistical 
> jive later down the road.
> So, how can I output a null?

=======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are you
sure you really want to do that?

Susan H. 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 11:04:06 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:04:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy>
	<00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>

First step would be to ensure that all values in the column are nulls when
they are not meaningful (although as Susan pointed out, null is meaningful).
What I mean is that zero is not equivalent to null.

You can do this at the table-design level by changing the properties to
"allow null = yes" and then erase the default value property, which tends to
go to zero, and that's not what you want. So once you have eliminated the
zeroes and replaced them will nulls, then you're in business, and the front
end won't let you deposit zeroes.

Even that oversimplifies, and sorry about that. Suppose, for example, the
column was called NumberOfChildren. The answer, as in my case, is zero. That
is a valid answer, and different from null, which indicates the absence of
information, not its presence. Retrofitting this analysis to existing data
may be non-trivial. If you don't know how many kids I have, then the
appropriate value is Null. If you do know that I have no kids, then the
appropriate value is zero. Either way, you have to resolve the existing data
before you can enforce it at the table-level. I hope that you don't have a
lot of data already recorded with this ambiguity. If you do, then you don't
have much choice but to check all the questionable values (does zero mean no
kids or we don't know?). That's not going to be easy, but sometimes accuracy
outweighs easiness.

hth,
Arthur

On 11/18/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats.
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
>
> > I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to
> > create it.
> > Works great.
> > The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or
> > null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some statistical
> > jive later down the road.
> > So, how can I output a null?
>
> =======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are you
> sure you really want to do that?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Nov 18 11:18:28 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:18:28 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
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	<29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Arthur

As I said in my first message and in the title this is all happening in a
Query, not a table. 
Sorry if that was not clear.
This column does not appear in the underlying table.
It is output by my function. Per your example: my function would compute the
number of children. If it could not do so, I want a null returned.

I want the query to output a value computed by my function or contain a
null. Maybe this is not possible??


TIA

Bob




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

First step would be to ensure that all values in the column are nulls when
they are not meaningful (although as Susan pointed out, null is meaningful).
What I mean is that zero is not equivalent to null.

You can do this at the table-design level by changing the properties to
"allow null = yes" and then erase the default value property, which tends to
go to zero, and that's not what you want. So once you have eliminated the
zeroes and replaced them will nulls, then you're in business, and the front
end won't let you deposit zeroes.

Even that oversimplifies, and sorry about that. Suppose, for example, the
column was called NumberOfChildren. The answer, as in my case, is zero. That
is a valid answer, and different from null, which indicates the absence of
information, not its presence. Retrofitting this analysis to existing data
may be non-trivial. If you don't know how many kids I have, then the
appropriate value is Null. If you do know that I have no kids, then the
appropriate value is zero. Either way, you have to resolve the existing data
before you can enforce it at the table-level. I hope that you don't have a
lot of data already recorded with this ambiguity. If you do, then you don't
have much choice but to check all the questionable values (does zero mean no
kids or we don't know?). That's not going to be easy, but sometimes accuracy
outweighs easiness.

hth,
Arthur

On 11/18/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats.
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
>
> > I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to 
> > create it.
> > Works great.
> > The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or 
> > null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some 
> > statistical jive later down the road.
> > So, how can I output a null?
>
> =======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are 
> you sure you really want to do that?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 11:22:52 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:22:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>
> I want the query to output a value computed by my function or contain a
> null. Maybe this is not possible??

========JC recommended making VBA's vbNull constant global in a module. That 
way you can use it in a query expression. It's a terrific idea, wish I'd 
thought of it. You might try that.

Susan H. 



From miscellany at mvps.org  Sun Nov 18 11:43:39 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 06:43:39 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
In-Reply-To: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EBA@server.BondSoftware.local>
References: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EBA@server.BondSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <474079CB.7050206@mvps.org>

Stephen,

Therefore, you could do it within the same code that does the Requery. 
It would make it a lot easier to provide help if you could reveal the 
names of the forms, and info about the subform's primary key, and the 
code you have so far.  But possibly an adaptation of the code Rocky 
suggested would do it, e.g....

    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
    lngClientGroupID = Me.TheSubformsPrimaryKey   ' assumes number data type
    With Forms!YourForm!YourSubform.Form
        .Requery
        .RecordsetClone.FindFirst "TheSubformsPrimaryKey = " & 
lngClientGroupID
        If .RecordsetClone.NoMatch Then
           MsgBox "Could not return to selected record", vbExclamation
        Else
           .Bookmark = .RecordsetClone.Bookmark
         End If
    End With

Another option woulkd be to use the main form's Activate event. You 
described the editing form as a dialog box form.  If it is truly a 
dialog form (i.e. it is opened from the main form in acDialog mode), 
then possibly the main form's Activate event would be more applicable.

Regards
Steve

Stephen wrote:
> More info.  The Requery is done from the dialog box form.  It requeries
> the invoking form.  
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov 18 13:29:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:29:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
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	<29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009001c82a19$4ad59740$6c7aa8c0@M90>

And to which I reply ... hooey.

The absence of a value doesn't in fact mean anything.  It certainly does not
mean you don't know the answer.  It doesn't even mean the answer was never
entered.  It MIGHT mean that, with the enforcement of a bunch of rules but
it certainly doesn't inherently mean that.  And even if it does mean that,
it may or may not be any more valuable than a default value.  Furthermore a
default value can explicitly mean that (unknown).  I can have a table of
colors (for example) where the value zero is called "unknown", the value 1
is called black, 2 is brown etc.  

So IMNSHO, the value of NULL is way over simplified in such discussions.  

Let's take Arthur's example since he brought it up.  A null does NOT mean
you don't know the number of children.  What is he advising you to do?
Insert nulls with a query to replace the zeros already in place (with a
perfectly proper caution).  So what do those nulls now mean?  They mean you
ran a query and inserted nulls in the field.  Do you in fact know that a
zero means "unknown"?  Obviously not since the zero could (at this point in
time) mean unknown or in fact it could mean zero.  You MAY HAVE overwritten
valid zeros (they have no children) with a null and so now you are saying
you don't know how many children when in fact you did (in some cases).  Why
not make -1 the default value and specifically have -1 mean "unknown"?  Why
would I do that?  We will get to that in a minute.

So it becomes quite obvious to the most casual observer that, if any old
hooligan can insert a NULL in a field with a valid value (a zero in this
case) then the null means nothing more than some hooligan put a null in
there.  Except... oops, it doesn't even mean that since NOW you are going to
have "hooligan nulls" intermixed with real "never entered" nulls.

>From THIS discussion it becomes obvious that IF you start from the VERY
BEGINNING with a  table with a default value of null, and IF you prevent
hooligans from erasing valid values and placing nulls in there, THEN the
null might mean unknown.  It also might mean that the (valid known) answer
wasn't entered of course.  So now you have the null meaning "never entered"
and that (in the end) does NOT equate to "unknown", it really just means
"never entered".

NOW for the down side... NULLS wreak havoc with all kinds of operations.
Inner joins for example.  Math operations for another example.  Some types
of string operations for another example.  So... for all of your efforts to
get back to using nulls, you can (and probably will) BREAK THINGS in your
application.

Let me tell you a real life story.  I was brought in to maintain a database
where the original data was so poorly entered (and in fact designed) that
they could not get accurate results.  However because they did in fact use
nulls, EVERY SINGLE FIELD in the database had nulls in it, including all of
the foreign key fields.  Which meant EVERY SINGLE query in the database, and
EVERY SINGLE JOIN in the database had to use outer joins.  Inner joins
simply did not work.  Furthermore, because of the way access treats outer
joins, there was no way I could begin to use inner joins since I would get
the old "ambiguous join" message as soon as I tried to use an inner join in
amongst all the existing outer joins.  

Have you ever worked in a database where you open a query and every join is
an outer join?  Now you know why.  

Inner joins serve a very useful purpose but they were virtually unusable in
any complex query because of the requirement to pull in nulls (outer join)
if there was not a "valid" value.  It is of course perfectly possible to
have a record in the table which SPECIFICALLY MEANS "unknown", in which case
you suddenly have a "valid value" for the "unknown" and you can use inner
joins wherever they are appropriate.

I just thought I should pour a little cold water of reality on the purist
hooey.  So use Nulls if you must, but beware the pitfalls, and be aware of
the alternatives.

And of course we have been over all of this before and so now the flames
begin.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

First step would be to ensure that all values in the column are nulls when
they are not meaningful (although as Susan pointed out, null is meaningful).
What I mean is that zero is not equivalent to null.

You can do this at the table-design level by changing the properties to
"allow null = yes" and then erase the default value property, which tends to
go to zero, and that's not what you want. So once you have eliminated the
zeroes and replaced them will nulls, then you're in business, and the front
end won't let you deposit zeroes.

Even that oversimplifies, and sorry about that. Suppose, for example, the
column was called NumberOfChildren. The answer, as in my case, is zero. That
is a valid answer, and different from null, which indicates the absence of
information, not its presence. Retrofitting this analysis to existing data
may be non-trivial. If you don't know how many kids I have, then the
appropriate value is Null. If you do know that I have no kids, then the
appropriate value is zero. Either way, you have to resolve the existing data
before you can enforce it at the table-level. I hope that you don't have a
lot of data already recorded with this ambiguity. If you do, then you don't
have much choice but to check all the questionable values (does zero mean no
kids or we don't know?). That's not going to be easy, but sometimes accuracy
outweighs easiness.

hth,
Arthur

On 11/18/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats.
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
>
> > I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to 
> > create it.
> > Works great.
> > The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or 
> > null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some 
> > statistical jive later down the road.
> > So, how can I output a null?
>
> =======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are 
> you sure you really want to do that?
>
> Susan H.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov 18 13:30:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:30:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com>
	<001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <009101c82a19$8297baf0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

You use a function to perform the calculation and return a NULL where you
want to.  All you have to do is either not declare the return type or
specifically declare it a variant.  If you don't declare the return type it
is automatically a variant.  A variant can be set to NULL.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

Hello Arthur

As I said in my first message and in the title this is all happening in a
Query, not a table. 
Sorry if that was not clear.
This column does not appear in the underlying table.
It is output by my function. Per your example: my function would compute the
number of children. If it could not do so, I want a null returned.

I want the query to output a value computed by my function or contain a
null. Maybe this is not possible??


TIA

Bob




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

First step would be to ensure that all values in the column are nulls when
they are not meaningful (although as Susan pointed out, null is meaningful).
What I mean is that zero is not equivalent to null.

You can do this at the table-design level by changing the properties to
"allow null = yes" and then erase the default value property, which tends to
go to zero, and that's not what you want. So once you have eliminated the
zeroes and replaced them will nulls, then you're in business, and the front
end won't let you deposit zeroes.

Even that oversimplifies, and sorry about that. Suppose, for example, the
column was called NumberOfChildren. The answer, as in my case, is zero. That
is a valid answer, and different from null, which indicates the absence of
information, not its presence. Retrofitting this analysis to existing data
may be non-trivial. If you don't know how many kids I have, then the
appropriate value is Null. If you do know that I have no kids, then the
appropriate value is zero. Either way, you have to resolve the existing data
before you can enforce it at the table-level. I hope that you don't have a
lot of data already recorded with this ambiguity. If you do, then you don't
have much choice but to check all the questionable values (does zero mean no
kids or we don't know?). That's not going to be easy, but sometimes accuracy
outweighs easiness.

hth,
Arthur

On 11/18/07, Bob Heygood <bheygood at abestsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, we need to do things like count and such and use TAStats.
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 8:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
>
> > I have a query that outputs a column that uses a user function to 
> > create it.
> > Works great.
> > The client wants the results in that column to either be a value or 
> > null, not an empty string or zero. We are going to do some 
> > statistical jive later down the road.
> > So, how can I output a null?
>
> =======Null has a specific meaning -- forcing it might usurp that, are 
> you sure you really want to do that?
>
> Susan H.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov 18 13:31:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:31:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy>
	<012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Susan,

No, AFAIK you cannot use any constant directly in a query, even if it is
global.  you could call a function which returns a variant though. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

>
> I want the query to output a value computed by my function or contain 
> a null. Maybe this is not possible??

========JC recommended making VBA's vbNull constant global in a module. That
way you can use it in a query expression. It's a terrific idea, wish I'd
thought of it. You might try that.

Susan H. 

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sun Nov 18 13:59:24 2007
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:59:24 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer
Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE019EBB@server.BondSoftware.local>

Steve and Rocky, 

this combination sounds like what I want.  Will try it this afternoon
and let you know.

Cheers
Stephen  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 6:45 a.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Old problem - forgotten the answer

Stephen,

Therefore, you could do it within the same code that does the Requery. 
It would make it a lot easier to provide help if you could reveal the
names of the forms, and info about the subform's primary key, and the
code you have so far.  But possibly an adaptation of the code Rocky
suggested would do it, e.g....

    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSaveRecord
    lngClientGroupID = Me.TheSubformsPrimaryKey   ' assumes number data
type
    With Forms!YourForm!YourSubform.Form
        .Requery
        .RecordsetClone.FindFirst "TheSubformsPrimaryKey = " &
lngClientGroupID
        If .RecordsetClone.NoMatch Then
           MsgBox "Could not return to selected record", vbExclamation
        Else
           .Bookmark = .RecordsetClone.Bookmark
         End If
    End With

Another option woulkd be to use the main form's Activate event. You
described the editing form as a dialog box form.  If it is truly a
dialog form (i.e. it is opened from the main form in acDialog mode),
then possibly the main form's Activate event would be more applicable.

Regards
Steve

Stephen wrote:
> More info.  The Requery is done from the dialog box form.  It 
> requeries the invoking form.
> 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 14:08:43 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:08:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy><012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I think I totally misunderstand your response then. Someone was trying to 
use a vb constant in a query expression and I said you couldn't do that. I 
had always thought you couldn't use vb constants outside of a module until 
you responded with the global comment.

Maybe I'm just confusing two different threads. If so, I apologize.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> No, AFAIK you cannot use any constant directly in a query, even if it is
> global.  you could call a function which returns a variant though.



From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Sun Nov 18 14:26:37 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 12:26:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy><012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <004201c82a21$51fbe850$800101df@speedy>

Thanks to all who were up early and replied.

I got an answer from one of the folks here in the hood (San Diego). It was
just a matter of adding a line to my code in my function.
See answer below:
GetScope2Code = IIf(Scope2Code = "", Null, Scope2Code) 

Funny I just read an old Advisor with an article about the
use/understanding/misunderstanding of nulls. I think it was penned by one of
our frequent contributors.

Here then too is another reason nulls are important; for
statistical/counting/... purposes.



Best,

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 12:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

I think I totally misunderstand your response then. Someone was trying to
use a vb constant in a query expression and I said you couldn't do that. I
had always thought you couldn't use vb constants outside of a module until
you responded with the global comment.

Maybe I'm just confusing two different threads. If so, I apologize.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> No, AFAIK you cannot use any constant directly in a query, even if it 
> is global.  you could call a function which returns a variant though.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Nov 18 15:43:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:43:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
In-Reply-To: <01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy><012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <009601c82a2c$06b54610$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I think I was confused.  I thought you were asking about "seeing" a constant
outside of a module, not specifically in a query. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 3:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function

I think I totally misunderstand your response then. Someone was trying to
use a vb constant in a query expression and I said you couldn't do that. I
had always thought you couldn't use vb constants outside of a module until
you responded with the global comment.

Maybe I'm just confusing two different threads. If so, I apologize.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> No, AFAIK you cannot use any constant directly in a query, even if it 
> is global.  you could call a function which returns a variant though.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 18 15:48:40 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 16:48:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Outputing nulls in query with function
References: <008501c82988$e50ee9b0$6c7aa8c0@M90><005101c829af$cb777b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000601c829ff$e0f808d0$800101df@speedy><00f001c82a00$ce7e4f10$4b3a8343@SusanOne><000d01c82a02$b0c04170$800101df@speedy><29f585dd0711180904r418044fbgac369e1172bbd159@mail.gmail.com><001201c82a07$0915cb20$800101df@speedy><012501c82a07$a97a4780$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009201c82a19$ad2e97c0$6c7aa8c0@M90><01a501c82a1e$d63c2330$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009601c82a2c$06b54610$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <021801c82a2c$cbc6a520$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


Okay, that would make sense. I stand corrected -- you know, I hadn't tested 
it yet, but thought that would be so cool if it worked. Oh well...

Susan H.


>I think I was confused.  I thought you were asking about "seeing" a 
>constant
> outside of a module, not specifically in a query.



From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sun Nov 18 17:30:58 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:30:58 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711160624u58eab13ehd265398162a528dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200711182331.lAINV42O023020@databaseadvisors.com>

Happy birthday Arthur - Congratulations - 

I agree - Good friends - Healthy relationships - are truly the foundations of a
good life

Congratulations again

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2007 1:24 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday

Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.
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From paulrster at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 01:07:51 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:07:51 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] A test
Message-ID: <001801c82a7a$e766cd70$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

Thanks, Brian, for your help. When my thanks to you didn't appear, I felt it
best to resubscribe, which I have done now. All the best 

paul 

 

From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 06:41:35 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:41:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A test
In-Reply-To: <001801c82a7a$e766cd70$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
References: <001801c82a7a$e766cd70$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711190441kd38886cmee9523dde350cc2d@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 19, 2007 2:07 AM, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Brian, for your help. When my thanks to you didn't appear, I felt it
> best to resubscribe, which I have done now. All the best

Glad everything is now working for you.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 08:23:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:23:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
Message-ID: <s741aa89.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Kostas

You can copy and paste the code into a new module. Save this and the function can be used anywhere as the built-in functions of Access (like, say, DateDiff).
If this is what is causing you problems, somebody else could perhaps help you with a beginner's guide to VBA (I have none, sorry).

/gustav

>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 16-11-2007 11:23 >>>
Gustav,
could you please show me the way to use that function
I am not really familiar with function's code
thank's a lot
/kostas


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days


> Hi Kostas
>
> Here is the function we use:
>
> Public Function ISO_WorkdayDiff( _
>  ByVal datDateFrom As Date, _
>  ByVal datDateTo As Date) _
>  As Long
>
> ' Purpose: Calculate number of working days between dates datDateFrom and 
> datDateTo.
> ' Assumes: 5 or 6 working days per week. Weekend is (Saturday and) Sunday.
> ' Limitation: Does not count for public holidays.
> ' May be freely used and distributed.
> ' 1999-04-23. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
> ' 2000-10-03. Constants added.
> '             Option for 5 or 6 working days per week added.
>
>  Const cbytWorkdaysOfWeek  As Byte = 5
>
>  Dim bytSunday             As Byte
>  Dim intWeekdayDateFrom    As Integer
>  Dim intWeekdayDateTo      As Integer
>  Dim lngDays               As Long
>  Dim datDateTemp           As Date
>
>  ' Reverse dates if these have been input reversed.
>  If datDateFrom > datDateTo Then
>    datDateTemp = datDateFrom
>    datDateFrom = datDateTo
>    datDateTo = datDateTemp
>  End If
>
>  ' Find ISO weekday for Sunday.
>  bytSunday = WeekDay(vbSunday, vbMonday)
>
>  ' Find weekdays for the dates.
>  intWeekdayDateFrom = WeekDay(datDateFrom, vbMonday)
>  intWeekdayDateTo = WeekDay(datDateTo, vbMonday)
>
>  ' Compensate weekdays' value for non-working days (weekends).
>  intWeekdayDateFrom = intWeekdayDateFrom + (intWeekdayDateFrom = 
> bytSunday)
>  intWeekdayDateTo = intWeekdayDateTo + (intWeekdayDateTo = bytSunday)
>
>  ' Calculate number of working days between the two weekdays, ignoring 
> number of weeks.
>  lngDays = intWeekdayDateTo - intWeekdayDateFrom - (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * 
> (intWeekdayDateTo < intWeekdayDateFrom))
>  ' Add number of working days between the weeks of the two dates.
>  lngDays = lngDays + (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * DateDiff("w", datDateFrom, 
> datDateTo, vbMonday, vbFirstFourDays))
>
>  ISO_WorkdayDiff = lngDays
>
> End Function
>
> To exclude holidays, look up and count the holidays from a table of 
> holidays not falling in weekends; substract this number from the count of 
> working days.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 15-11-07 20:49 >>>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
> are moving year by year
>
> many thank's to all
>
> /kostas





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 08:59:24 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 09:59:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <003001c828fc$e2cd3cb0$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <005801c8289a$15263800$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<003001c828fc$e2cd3cb0$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <00ac01c82abc$c6ffcbd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Truecrypt is also able to encrypt entire volumes is you so desire.  I have
never done so since I like the ability to copy the file for backup.  I may
experiment on doing that however.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:33 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


Hi John,
Yes, this is something that I will now set up, especially for my laptop and
memory stick.

FYI I also use cGeep to encrypt sensitive emails (www cgeep com) which uses
PGP encryption plus there is a web based version for those who do not want
to install it.  It can also encrypt files/directories directly which avoid
the need to mount a volume.  But what is great with TrueCrypt is that it
will run apps or all kinds directly from the encrypted file without storing
any decrypted data anywhere other than in memory.

All in all, in a few weeks I will have great encryption right across the
board.

Another trick which is easy to remember is "positioning" keys. Ie,
"qazwsxedcrfvtgbyhn" which if you look at a keyboard you will see that it
just traverses up/down across the key pad.  As long as  you remember
whatever positioning you use, then you actually do not need to even remember
the passphrase.  Needless to say, this positioning example is not my one
<smile>.  Throw a couple of other keys in with the alpha keys then it just
won't make any sense if terms of "real words" for brute force decryption
(although I think the TrueCrypt mention something like a billion years to
decrypt with a  supercomputer, so pretty safe really).

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted file that
contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another encrypted
drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever does take
a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is that you
can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a backup
location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is exposed.

I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an encrypted
file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is encrypted.  The
TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run from
there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run TrueCrypt,
mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to have admin
rights in order to do this.

I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.

Just don't forget your password.

I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you are
first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:

Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow MhAlLhFwWaS (use
alternating upper and lower case) Throw two numbers in front of, behind or
around it
0MhAlLhFwWaS9
Now throw two special characters in front of that !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@

That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do that
twice, perhaps

Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

!0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$

You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together are
pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have it
assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, whatever
you already have remembered and just use the first character of each word,
plus numbers and special symbols.  

Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that would
crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an industrial
strength memorable password.

http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 09:14:19 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:14:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Hey, it's Friday
Message-ID: <s741b683.006@cactus.dk>

What a wonderful evening, Arthur! Thank you for sharing.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 16-11-2007 15:24 >>>
Last night was my 60th birthday, and about 25 of my friends had a surprise
party for me. I was completely clueless about its occurrence. I have a
favourite Indian restaurant in Toronto called Shalimar, owned and operated
by a good friend called Khalid, and ironically, I decided that that was
where I wanted to have dinner last night. So I booked a reservation, little
knowing that the entire restaurant had already been booked. Khalid managed
to keep a straight voice when I called. My friend Norma and my sister Clare
came with me, and there's a great bookstore/recordstore next door which I
insisted upon visiting, little knowing that there was a party awaiting me
next door. This is a small restaurant (always a good sign), and when I
walked in, I saw that the whole place had been re-arranged, a dozen tables
united into one enormous long table, and as I scanned the occupants I
realized bit by bit that I knew everyone at the table, and finally it dawned
on me.

To break bread with good friends is a good thing. To find oneself as the
centre of attention, so to speak, surrounded by good friends, is truly
breathtaking -- and humbling. For some reason or other, I have a collection
of quality people to call my friends. We had fabulous food, wonderful
conversation and I even received some cool presents and cards. Forced at one
point to stand and make a speech, all I could manage was to thank my friends
for being my friends. I've known almost everyone in attendance for 30 or so
years, some more. There were even emails from persons who could not attend,
such as one of my oldest friends, Paul Grenkow, who teaches English in
Beijing, who could not attend only because his wife was expected to give
birth on the day.

I'm a lucky man. I have wonderful friends. But I do caution you to think
carefully about holding a surprise party for 60yo people. The heart
palpitations are unbelievable. On the other hand, what better way to go.

A.





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 09:21:57 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:21:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
Message-ID: <s741b845.007@cactus.dk>

Hi William

I know what tune: Suspicion.

As I have heard you are talking to your computers, what came first to my mind was Love Me Tender, but that would be too sentimental.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 16-11-2007 23:57 >>>
I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around 
my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most 
everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go 
to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune 
...shows my age, it does :)

William





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 09:56:11 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 10:56:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
Message-ID: <00ad01c82ac4$b5604140$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have a Windows 2003 server with an dedicated Areca raid controller.  The
system disk C: is on the raid controller, however another pair of disks are
somehow involved in the  boot process.  These two disks are talking (SATA)
directly to the motherboard SATA ports (using Raid1 via the motherboard raid
controller), and to look at them there is nothing on them.  However if I
disconnect these disks then the system gives the old "boot disk not found"
when the computer is reset.  That implies that this pair of disks (a single
Raid1 volume) contains boot files required to actually boot the computer
even though the C: drive itself is on the Areca controller.

How do I set the C: drive to be the boot drive and contain whatever these
files are that are currently housed on this extra pair of disks?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 10:00:41 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:00:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <s741b845.007@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000f01c82ac5$568352b0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...lol ..."I'll Remember You" might be more appropriate :)))

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Hi William
>
> I know what tune: Suspicion.
>
> As I have heard you are talking to your computers, what came first to my 
> mind was Love Me Tender, but that would be too sentimental.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 16-11-2007 23:57 >>>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 09:58:49 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 07:58:49 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
only Charlotte is that old :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted
file
>>that
>> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another 
>> encrypted
>> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever
does
>> take
>> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is
that
>> you
>> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a
backup
>> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is
exposed.
>>
>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an
encrypted
>> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is
encrypted.
>> The
>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run
from
>> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run
TrueCrypt,
>> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to
have
>> admin
>> rights in order to do this.
>>
>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>
>> Just don't forget your password.
>>
>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you
are
>> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>
>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
>> MhAlLhFwWaS
>> (use alternating upper and lower case)
>> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>> Now throw two special characters in front of that
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>
>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do

>> that
>> twice, perhaps
>>
>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>
>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together
are
>> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have
it
>> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song, 
>> whatever
>> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each 
>> word,
>> plus numbers and special symbols.
>>
>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that 
>> would
>> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
>> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
>> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an
industrial
>> strength memorable password.
>>
>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>> Hi William:
>>
>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>
>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees 
>> store
>> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security 
>> threats
>> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>
>>
>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password
>> protected.
>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now
contain
>> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>
>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do
things"
>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined
in
>> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing
data
>> options, etc.
>>
>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am
trusted
>> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a 
>> client
>> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have
to
>> take another look at this.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>
>>
>>> John Colby:
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's
in
>>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>
>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>
>>> Max
>>
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>
>
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From kost36 at otenet.gr  Mon Nov 19 10:05:16 2007
From: kost36 at otenet.gr (Kostas Konstantinidis)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:05:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
In-Reply-To: <s741aa89.004@cactus.dk>
References: <s741aa89.004@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <36EF25C510BD445685F3851603BD65EF@kost36PC>

Hi Gustav,
I feel to say a great thank's to you and all the people aided me the last 
two years
to face many problems on my beggining in ms access.

Be well
kostas




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days


> Hi Kostas
>
> You can copy and paste the code into a new module. Save this and the 
> function can be used anywhere as the built-in functions of Access (like, 
> say, DateDiff).
> If this is what is causing you problems, somebody else could perhaps help 
> you with a beginner's guide to VBA (I have none, sorry).
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 16-11-2007 11:23 >>>
> Gustav,
> could you please show me the way to use that function
> I am not really familiar with function's code
> thank's a lot
> /kostas
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 1:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MSAccess 2007 - Count days
>
>
>> Hi Kostas
>>
>> Here is the function we use:
>>
>> Public Function ISO_WorkdayDiff( _
>>  ByVal datDateFrom As Date, _
>>  ByVal datDateTo As Date) _
>>  As Long
>>
>> ' Purpose: Calculate number of working days between dates datDateFrom and
>> datDateTo.
>> ' Assumes: 5 or 6 working days per week. Weekend is (Saturday and) 
>> Sunday.
>> ' Limitation: Does not count for public holidays.
>> ' May be freely used and distributed.
>> ' 1999-04-23. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
>> ' 2000-10-03. Constants added.
>> '             Option for 5 or 6 working days per week added.
>>
>>  Const cbytWorkdaysOfWeek  As Byte = 5
>>
>>  Dim bytSunday             As Byte
>>  Dim intWeekdayDateFrom    As Integer
>>  Dim intWeekdayDateTo      As Integer
>>  Dim lngDays               As Long
>>  Dim datDateTemp           As Date
>>
>>  ' Reverse dates if these have been input reversed.
>>  If datDateFrom > datDateTo Then
>>    datDateTemp = datDateFrom
>>    datDateFrom = datDateTo
>>    datDateTo = datDateTemp
>>  End If
>>
>>  ' Find ISO weekday for Sunday.
>>  bytSunday = WeekDay(vbSunday, vbMonday)
>>
>>  ' Find weekdays for the dates.
>>  intWeekdayDateFrom = WeekDay(datDateFrom, vbMonday)
>>  intWeekdayDateTo = WeekDay(datDateTo, vbMonday)
>>
>>  ' Compensate weekdays' value for non-working days (weekends).
>>  intWeekdayDateFrom = intWeekdayDateFrom + (intWeekdayDateFrom =
>> bytSunday)
>>  intWeekdayDateTo = intWeekdayDateTo + (intWeekdayDateTo = bytSunday)
>>
>>  ' Calculate number of working days between the two weekdays, ignoring
>> number of weeks.
>>  lngDays = intWeekdayDateTo - intWeekdayDateFrom - (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek *
>> (intWeekdayDateTo < intWeekdayDateFrom))
>>  ' Add number of working days between the weeks of the two dates.
>>  lngDays = lngDays + (cbytWorkdaysOfWeek * DateDiff("w", datDateFrom,
>> datDateTo, vbMonday, vbFirstFourDays))
>>
>>  ISO_WorkdayDiff = lngDays
>>
>> End Function
>>
>> To exclude holidays, look up and count the holidays from a table of
>> holidays not falling in weekends; substract this number from the count of
>> working days.
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>>>> kost36 at otenet.gr 15-11-07 20:49 >>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Does anybody know how it could be possible to count
>> the work days between two days excluding weekends and local holidays
>> To my coutry there are several dates as holidays and some of them
>> are moving year by year
>>
>> many thank's to all
>>
>> /kostas
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 10:11:31 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:11:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
famous
> though.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most 
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 10:14:47 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:14:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E37@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live
much longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
only Charlotte is that old :)

William




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 10:22:36 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:22:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E37@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E37@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00af01c82ac8$65ddf550$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Planning a trip to Disney World Orlando?  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live much
longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 10:29:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:29:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
Message-ID: <s741c801.010@cactus.dk>

Hi William

Wasn't that Frank Ifield?
O'boy, this is racing OT ...

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 19-11-2007 17:00 >>>
...lol ..."I'll Remember You" might be more appropriate :)))

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Hi William
>
> I know what tune: Suspicion.
>
> As I have heard you are talking to your computers, what came first to my 
> mind was Love Me Tender, but that would be too sentimental.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 16-11-2007 23:57 >>>
> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain around
> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync, and go
> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis tune
> ...shows my age, it does :)
>
> William





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 10:29:38 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 08:29:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <00af01c82ac8$65ddf550$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E37@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00af01c82ac8$65ddf550$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E38@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

<evilgrin>

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Planning a trip to Disney World Orlando?  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live
much longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
only Charlotte is that old :)

William


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Nov 19 10:37:15 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 17:37:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
Message-ID: <s741c9e1.011@cactus.dk>

Hi John

How dare you? Implying Charlotte to be the turkey at the upcoming parade?

/gustav

PS: That story about the lady spreading "baby powder" in the park has travelled the ocean ...

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-11-2007 17:22 >>>
Planning a trip to Disney World Orlando?  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live much
longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 10:57:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:57:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <s741c9e1.011@cactus.dk>
References: <s741c9e1.011@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00b601c82acd$447f8810$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I had never heard of that until you mentioned it.  I googled it and boy,
what a sicko lot we humans are!  It sounds like a HUGE expense for Disney
World. 

http://www.mouseowners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11584

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John

How dare you? Implying Charlotte to be the turkey at the upcoming parade?

/gustav

PS: That story about the lady spreading "baby powder" in the park has
travelled the ocean ...

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 19-11-2007 17:22 >>>
Planning a trip to Disney World Orlando?  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

 Well, I hope he enjoys his current age because he isn't likely to live much
longer! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
would sling stuff like that given his current age... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr

Charlotte Foust aka Granny 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the gerontological
gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is that
old :)

William


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 13:20:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:20:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
Message-ID: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 13:29:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:29:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
Message-ID: <00d101c82ae2$784fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Nov 19 13:38:17 2007
From: Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:38:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3108FEFB5E13@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Rocky

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/pdffiles.htm


Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
Queen's University
Riddel Hall
185 Stranmillis Road
Belfast
BT9 5EE
Tel : 02890974465
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 19 November 2007 19:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.

I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?

Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.

MTIA

Rocky

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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 13:59:17 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:59:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy>

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 19 14:42:15 2007
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:42:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00d101c82ae2$784fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00d101c82ae2$784fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV11C2ADE32A29F071B87B229A7E0@phx.gbl>

Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 14:53:45 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:53:45 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <005c01c82aee$474f6df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Acrobat 8 isn't the latest?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 15:05:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:05:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3108FEFB5E13@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3108FEFB5E13@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <005d01c82aef$f642c360$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Looks good.  Thanks.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Rocky

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/pdffiles.htm


Martin


Martin WP Reid
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Riddel Hall
185 Stranmillis Road
Belfast
BT9 5EE
Tel : 02890974465
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach
Access Software [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 19 November 2007 19:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.

I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?

Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.

MTIA

Rocky

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 19 15:21:59 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:21:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-DAV11C2ADE32A29F071B87B229A7E0@phx.gbl>
References: <00d101c82ae2$784fcb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY109-DAV11C2ADE32A29F071B87B229A7E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <00d801c82af2$394d2b30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have not taken any of the tests. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie Reardon
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 3:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From iggy at nanaimo.ark.com  Mon Nov 19 15:25:10 2007
From: iggy at nanaimo.ark.com (Tony Septav)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:25:10 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] PDF
Message-ID: <4741FF36.3050801@nanaimo.ark.com>

Hey Rocky
KISS
Checkout Lebans Access Reports to PDF
It is a beauty, been using it for years.


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Nov 19 15:39:23 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 13:39:23 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <004c01c82af4$a6d8ec00$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Rocky,

Use Lebans Output to PDF.  Works great and you can name files and store them
in any directory you want.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From bheygood at abestsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 16:22:36 2007
From: bheygood at abestsystems.com (Bob Heygood)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:22:36 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <005c01c82aee$474f6df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy>
	<005c01c82aee$474f6df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00fb01c82afa$b048c9d0$800101df@speedy>


Hey Rocky,

Sure but I read 3.0 in your original.... "Acrobat 3.0 Type Library"


Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Acrobat 8 isn't the latest?

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Mon Nov 19 16:39:55 2007
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:39:55 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c82afa$b048c9d0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <007c01c82afd$1ba52780$0d08a8c0@carltonone.local>

Rocky,

Don't worry about using the full blown Acrobat. Use PDFCreator which is Open
Source and has code samples available here:

http://www.pdfforge.org/

Vlad

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2007 9:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF


Hey Rocky,

Sure but I read 3.0 in your original.... "Acrobat 3.0 Type Library"


Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Acrobat 8 isn't the latest?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 19 17:05:22 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:05:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected Recordsets in 2007
Message-ID: <00f401c82b00$ad2cfc20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Is there any substantial difference in using disconnected Recordsets from 
2003 to 2007?

Susan H. 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Nov 19 17:35:25 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:35:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
References: <004c01c82af4$a6d8ec00$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <002101c82b04$dd5ecbe0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...amen to Lebans ...its in every one of my apps ...combined with his RTF 
control and his Report to Word stuff, you can build a really nice combo 
...and he actually supports his stuff in the MS news groups.

William

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From: "Doug Murphy" <dw-murphy at cox.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF


> Rocky,
>
> Use Lebans Output to PDF.  Works great and you can name files and store 
> them
> in any directory you want.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
>
> Dear List:
>
> I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach 
> them
> to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and 
> have
> a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
>
> I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
> Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
> these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
>
> Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a 
> specific
> location so I can attach it to an email.
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 18:01:47 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:01:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <00fb01c82afa$b048c9d0$800101df@speedy>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00ad01c82ae6$aad7e760$800101df@speedy><005c01c82aee$474f6df0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00fb01c82afa$b048c9d0$800101df@speedy>
Message-ID: <007f01c82b08$8c390920$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

O.  That was in the references.  They've got 8.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF


Hey Rocky,

Sure but I read 3.0 in your original.... "Acrobat 3.0 Type Library"


Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Acrobat 8 isn't the latest?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bob Heygood
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Hey Rocky,
The first thing I would do is to try to get them to upgrade to the latest
version of Acrobat.
Things only got easier as the product improved.

If they won't spring for it, you may want to forgo Acrobat and try some
shareware/less expensive solutions.

Bob Heygood
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.
 
I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?
 
Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 19 18:02:55 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 16:02:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF
In-Reply-To: <005d01c82aef$f642c360$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004701c82ae1$4abd7e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3108FEFB5E13@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<005d01c82aef$f642c360$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <008001c82b08$b44e9240$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

And thank you to everyone else who's touting me on Lebans.  I'm slow, but
I'm teachable.


Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
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Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 1:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Looks good.  Thanks.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Rocky

http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/pdffiles.htm


Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
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Riddel Hall
185 Stranmillis Road
Belfast
BT9 5EE
Tel : 02890974465
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach
Access Software [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 19 November 2007 19:20
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Output to PDF

Dear List:

I have a client who wants to put a couple of reports out to PDF, attach them
to emails and send them to customers.  I have his copy of Acrobat 8 and have
a couple of weeks left to figure out how to do this.

I see, since installing it that I have references to Acrobat, Acrobat 3.0
Type Library, and Acrobat Distiller.  Does anyone have a reference to how
these objects work?  Or maybe there's a simpler way?

Ideally, I want to be able to name the output file and send it to a specific
location so I can attach it to an email.

MTIA

Rocky

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From jedi at charm.net  Mon Nov 19 21:03:59 2007
From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 22:03:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c82ac4$b5604140$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00ad01c82ac4$b5604140$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <1289.24.35.45.228.1195527839.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

Try this:
1. Navigate to the Disk Management console.
2. Right-click the grey 'Disk Description' pane that is located to the
left of the Color-coded volume panes.
3. Select, Upgrade to Dynamic Disk.'  Note you will have to reboot not
once, but twice.

If that does not work then reformat.  Backup all your data then reformat.
The big negative about RAID is that it is one-way.  Once you set up as
RAID you can not go back without lots of pain.

Mike..


> I have a Windows 2003 server with an dedicated Areca raid controller.  The
> system disk C: is on the raid controller, however another pair of disks
> are
> somehow involved in the  boot process.  These two disks are talking (SATA)
> directly to the motherboard SATA ports (using Raid1 via the motherboard
> raid
> controller), and to look at them there is nothing on them.  However if I
> disconnect these disks then the system gives the old "boot disk not found"
> when the computer is reset.  That implies that this pair of disks (a
> single
> Raid1 volume) contains boot files required to actually boot the computer
> even though the C: drive itself is on the Areca controller.
>
> How do I set the C: drive to be the boot drive and contain whatever these
> files are that are currently housed on this extra pair of disks?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 20 01:20:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 23:20:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
Message-ID: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 20 04:16:11 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:16:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
Message-ID: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit" explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 07:58:04 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 08:58:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001601c82b7d$5fd01d40$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Gustav / Julie,

I think the link that I just posted is the notification of when it will be
available? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 08:12:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:12:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>

What I am still trying to figure out is... is this a way to get the Visual
Studio 2008 for "free"?  IOW it does not come in the action pack but they
will give it to action pack subscribers IS they take this test?  That is how
I got an additional copy of VS 2005, which I gave away as a door prize for
the First Annual Greater Smokey Mountain AccessD conference.  If I do this I
guess I will have to keep this one since I don't have VS 2008.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 08:16:48 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:16:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone finds 
out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)

Susan H.


> What I am still trying to figure out is... is this a way to get the Visual
> Studio 2008 for "free"?  IOW it does not come in the action pack but they
> will give it to action pack subscribers IS they take this test?  That is 
> how
> I got an additional copy of VS 2005, which I gave away as a door prize for
> the First Annual Greater Smokey Mountain AccessD conference.  If I do this 
> I
> guess I will have to keep this one since I don't have VS 2008.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi Julie
>
> This was discussed in the recent thread:
>
> "Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html
>
> I did take a test:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html
>
> As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
> explains:
>
> Step 4:
>  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it 
> is
> available.
>  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page.
>
> I guess you just have to trust that statement.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
> Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, 
> but
> never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?
>
> Julie Reardon
> PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
> 44 Public Square, Suite 5
> Watertown, NY  13601
> Phone:  315.785.0319
> Fax:  315.785.0323
> NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
> NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
> www.pro-soft.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 08:47:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:47:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <001801c82b84$36caffd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL, I doubt it.  But as Gustav indicated you can just go take the test
again. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone finds
out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)

Susan H.


> What I am still trying to figure out is... is this a way to get the 
> Visual Studio 2008 for "free"?  IOW it does not come in the action 
> pack but they will give it to action pack subscribers IS they take 
> this test?  That is how I got an additional copy of VS 2005, which I 
> gave away as a door prize for the First Annual Greater Smokey Mountain 
> AccessD conference.  If I do this I guess I will have to keep this one 
> since I don't have VS 2008.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi Julie
>
> This was discussed in the recent thread:
>
> "Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html
>
> I did take a test:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html
>
> As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
> explains:
>
> Step 4:
>  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that 
> it is available.
>  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page.
>
> I guess you just have to trust that statement.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
> Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and 
> passed, but never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else 
> take it?
>
> Julie Reardon
> PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
> 44 Public Square, Suite 5
> Watertown, NY  13601
> Phone:  315.785.0319
> Fax:  315.785.0323
> NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
> NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
> www.pro-soft.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> --
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>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 09:12:51 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:12:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<001801c82b84$36caffd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00b001c82b87$d441a3b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Yeah, in my spare time. :) Today, I'm caring for a sick grandbaby, just a 
few days away from the big T day -- so many opportunities, so little time. 
:) Right now, she is transferring dry dog food from bowls to the top of my 
cpu tower -- not sure why, but she's singing, so I think I'll leave her 
alone and just hope no crumbs wiggle their way into the casing. Now, if I 
could just keep socks on her...

Susan H.


> LOL, I doubt it.  But as Gustav indicated you can just go take the test
> again.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 09:23:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:23:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00b001c82b87$d441a3b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><001801c82b84$36caffd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<00b001c82b87$d441a3b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <001901c82b89$54b04050$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  You don't even want to put a spare bowl or plate next to my daughter
while she is eating or she will digress into transferring the food back and
forth.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Yeah, in my spare time. :) Today, I'm caring for a sick grandbaby, just a
few days away from the big T day -- so many opportunities, so little time. 
:) Right now, she is transferring dry dog food from bowls to the top of my
cpu tower -- not sure why, but she's singing, so I think I'll leave her
alone and just hope no crumbs wiggle their way into the casing. Now, if I
could just keep socks on her...

Susan H.


> LOL, I doubt it.  But as Gustav indicated you can just go take the 
> test again.

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 20 09:45:49 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:45:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>

<<Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone
finds 
out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)>>

  No as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.  Their trying
to clear out the deadwood like me<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone finds

out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)

Susan H.


> What I am still trying to figure out is... is this a way to get the Visual
> Studio 2008 for "free"?  IOW it does not come in the action pack but they
> will give it to action pack subscribers IS they take this test?  That is 
> how
> I got an additional copy of VS 2005, which I gave away as a door prize for
> the First Annual Greater Smokey Mountain AccessD conference.  If I do this

> I
> guess I will have to keep this one since I don't have VS 2008.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi Julie
>
> This was discussed in the recent thread:
>
> "Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html
>
> I did take a test:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html
>
> As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
> explains:
>
> Step 4:
>  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it 
> is
> available.
>  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page.
>
> I guess you just have to trust that statement.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
> Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, 
> but
> never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?
>
> Julie Reardon
> PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
> 44 Public Square, Suite 5
> Watertown, NY  13601
> Phone:  315.785.0319
> Fax:  315.785.0323
> NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
> NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
> www.pro-soft.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> --
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 09:54:50 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:54:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>  No as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.  Their trying
> to clear out the deadwood like me<g>.

======Deadwood? What does that even mean? If I don't have the software, I 
can't learn how to use it properly. Are they trying to weed out those that 
use it badly?????? If they limit the software to only those that know what 
they're doing, aren't they reducing their market?

Susan H. 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 10:15:09 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:15:09 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>

They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past
couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply
them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to
continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.

And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to

Resellers
Technology Consultants
Value-added Technology Partners
System Integrators
Developers
System Builders

Still pretty open I guess as those cover a lot of ground.

GK

On 11/20/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >  No as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.  Their trying
> > to clear out the deadwood like me<g>.
>
> ======Deadwood? What does that even mean? If I don't have the software, I
> can't learn how to use it properly. Are they trying to weed out those that
> use it badly?????? If they limit the software to only those that know what
> they're doing, aren't they reducing their market?
>
> Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 10:27:56 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:27:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



> They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past
> couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply
> them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to
> continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
>
> And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
>
> Resellers
> Technology Consultants
> Value-added Technology Partners
> System Integrators
> Developers
> System Builders

=========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not interested 
in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated software. Most of the 
time, I can get them from publishers if I really need them though.

I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this makes 
sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft products, but 
at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to learn new technologies 
from the ground floor.

Susan H. 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 10:46:11 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:46:11 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com>

Being a partner is just a matter of signing up to be a partner. Not a big deal.

It's $300 or so a year to subscribe. Includes 10 licenses to Office
and Windows and one each to the server OS's and back end stuff like
Exchange. You are not supposed to be using it to run your business
though. Supposed to be used to learn and demonstrate to customers and
to practice installing if you are a system builder.

GK

On 11/20/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past
> > couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply
> > them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to
> > continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
> >
> > And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
> >
> > Resellers
> > Technology Consultants
> > Value-added Technology Partners
> > System Integrators
> > Developers
> > System Builders
>
> =========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not interested
> in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated software. Most of the
> time, I can get them from publishers if I really need them though.
>
> I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this makes
> sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft products, but
> at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to learn new technologies
> from the ground floor.
>
> Susan H.

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Nov 20 11:02:18 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:02:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
Message-ID: <s7432140.040@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim and Susan

> .. as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.

You may be. Read again here:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 20-11-2007 16:45 >>>
<<Do you get the software even if you fail the test???????? ;) If anyone finds out, please let us know. I'll fail it, but I'll take it. :)>>

  No as you are not eligible for an Action Pack Subscription.  Their trying to clear out the deadwood like me<g>.

Jim. 





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 11:10:31 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:10:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot
is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede
the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 11:09:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:09:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <002801c82b98$10e16750$6c7aa8c0@M90>

It is worth the bucks to me.  I have three servers and three laptops and I
use the software to host SQL Server 2005 on the servers as well as office
for all of my computers.  I have two machines running Server 2003 with SQL
Server 2005, and 5 computers running XP Pro.  I am supposed to migrate all
of those XP machines to Vista but it would destroy my life doing so.  I also
run Office 2003 on three machines regularly and have installed 2007 to start
playing with and get used to.  All told it would cost me a thousand or two
more than I pay for the software I use so I do the action pack.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers



> They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past 
> couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply 
> them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to 
> continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
>
> And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
>
> Resellers
> Technology Consultants
> Value-added Technology Partners
> System Integrators
> Developers
> System Builders

=========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not interested
in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated software. Most of the
time, I can get them from publishers if I really need them though.

I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this makes
sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft products, but
at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to learn new technologies
from the ground floor.

Susan H. 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 11:11:15 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:11:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Gary,

AFAICT you ARE allowed (and encouraged) to use it to run your business, what
you are not supposed to do is use it to host commercial applications like
web sites, client stuff etc.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Being a partner is just a matter of signing up to be a partner. Not a big
deal.

It's $300 or so a year to subscribe. Includes 10 licenses to Office and
Windows and one each to the server OS's and back end stuff like Exchange.
You are not supposed to be using it to run your business though. Supposed to
be used to learn and demonstrate to customers and to practice installing if
you are a system builder.

GK

On 11/20/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the 
> > past couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to 
> > supply them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me 
> > to continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
> >
> > And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
> >
> > Resellers
> > Technology Consultants
> > Value-added Technology Partners
> > System Integrators
> > Developers
> > System Builders
>
> =========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not 
> interested in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated 
> software. Most of the time, I can get them from publishers if I really
need them though.
>
> I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this 
> makes sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft 
> products, but at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to 
> learn new technologies from the ground floor.
>
> Susan H.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 11:13:58 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:13:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Susan,

You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
reasons.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers



> They have tightened the requirements for the Action Pack over the past

> couple years. I am still eligible although barely. I had to supply 
> them with a company name last year or they wouldn't allow me to 
> continue to buy it. Now they are instituting a training requirement.
>
> And you have to be a "Microsoft Partner". Then it is open to
>
> Resellers
> Technology Consultants
> Value-added Technology Partners
> System Integrators
> Developers
> System Builders

=========Gotta be a partner too? Lets me out. Of course, I'm not
interested in the Action Pack -- just a few pieces of updated software.
Most of the time, I can get them from publishers if I really need them
though.

I jump through too many hoops as it is. I'm sure the logic of all this
makes sense to them. If I weren't so old, I'd shift to non-Microsoft
products, but at this stage of life and my career, I don't want to learn
new technologies from the ground floor.

Susan H. 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 11:28:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:28:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
In-Reply-To: <1289.24.35.45.228.1195527839.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
References: <00ad01c82ac4$b5604140$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<1289.24.35.45.228.1195527839.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
Message-ID: <002e01c82b9a$d3c83350$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Michael,

I am not sure I understand.  I have a system with the OS itself on a raid
drive, running on a dedicated raid controller card.  That works exactly as
expected and I like it - raid 6 protection etc.  I also have a pair of older
drives which probably (the details are hazy now) had the OS on them
originally, which run off of the raid controller on the motherboard.  These
two disks form a raid 1 array (mirrored) with nothing visible on it, and yes
I have told windows explorer to show system and hidden files.  However if I
disconnect these two older drives from the motherboard (remove power or
remove the SATA connector) windows does not boot.  

IIRC there is a master boot record that is written to a drive that is where
windows goes for the very first "bootstrap" code.  It then tells windows
where the rest of the OS is located.  I thought there was a "sys" command
(in the old days anyway) that would write this master boot record and
perhaps a couple of other files to a hard disk and that you could just "sys"
a drive to make it the drive with that MBR stuff.  If I can do that to the
C: drive on the Areca dedicated raid card then I could boot directly off of
that C: drive and get rid of these two older drives.  If they ever fail I am
doomed.  Yea they are raid one but I do NOT want to be trying to rebuild a
mirror just for some hidden MBR that should have been moved long ago.

Unfortunately I do not know as much about that stuff as I once did and have
so far been unable to discover how to change from "booting" off these older
drives to booting off the new.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable

Try this:
1. Navigate to the Disk Management console.
2. Right-click the grey 'Disk Description' pane that is located to the left
of the Color-coded volume panes.
3. Select, Upgrade to Dynamic Disk.'  Note you will have to reboot not once,
but twice.

If that does not work then reformat.  Backup all your data then reformat.
The big negative about RAID is that it is one-way.  Once you set up as RAID
you can not go back without lots of pain.

Mike..


> I have a Windows 2003 server with an dedicated Areca raid controller.  
> The system disk C: is on the raid controller, however another pair of 
> disks are somehow involved in the  boot process.  These two disks are 
> talking (SATA) directly to the motherboard SATA ports (using Raid1 via 
> the motherboard raid controller), and to look at them there is nothing 
> on them.  However if I disconnect these disks then the system gives 
> the old "boot disk not found"
> when the computer is reset.  That implies that this pair of disks (a 
> single
> Raid1 volume) contains boot files required to actually boot the 
> computer even though the C: drive itself is on the Areca controller.
>
> How do I set the C: drive to be the boot drive and contain whatever 
> these files are that are currently housed on this extra pair of disks?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 11:30:08 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 11:30:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711200930h63bee775yfa05512f9bb97a1f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

You are interpretting the statement differently than I then....

"The software products that are included with the subscription are NFD
versions. You can use them only for testing, evaluation,
demonstration, training, and educational purposes. For example, you
can use the Action Pack software to host your company's intranet but
the software cannot be used to host a commercial Web site. This is
considered a production environment that is outside the scope of the
software's intended purpose."

and Item (b) below under reasons for termination....

This is an excerpt from the agreement:
Subscription Term and Termination. The term of this Subscription is
one (1) year from the date you purchase the Subscription. It is
important that you maintain properly licensed Microsoft products. You
agree that Microsoft may terminate this Agreement, without prejudice
to any other rights or remedies, at any time without prior written
notice to you in the event that you:

(a) Violate the End User License Agreements accompanying Microsoft products;

(b) Resell, transfer, or use the Microsoft Action Pack Subscription
Product Licenses for any purpose other than demonstration, testing,
education, or evaluation; or

(c) Engage in, or participate with any third party in, the
unauthorized manufacture, duplication, distribution or use of any
Microsoft products or otherwise infringe any other intellectual
property right of Microsoft.

(d) Upon expiration or earlier termination of this Agreement, you
agree to immediately cease use of and to destroy all copies of any
Microsoft Products provided with or licensed under the Subscription,
including but not limited to, all Not for Retail Distribution software
media and all Microsoft Action Pack Subscription Product License
copies.

From:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/312310

GK

On 11/20/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Gary,
>
> AFAICT you ARE allowed (and encouraged) to use it to run your business, what
> you are not supposed to do is use it to host commercial applications like
> web sites, client stuff etc.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Tue Nov 20 11:34:06 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:34:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ  A97 vs A2k+
In-Reply-To: <001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>
References: <004a01c8274a$4156f460$4cc2f63f@JELaptop><001901c82798$4e771b40$75010a0a@lcmdv8000><010a01c828a8$80a4cd40$33c2f63f@JELaptop><473F473D.50403@mvps.org>
	<001c01c82977$4811c3f0$5ec2f63f@JELaptop>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB0FD@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I know about
having to create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)  

I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field (LastUpdtBy)
in a new record in my A97-tables for years.  

I created the function that was recommended and it works in my vb/vba
code portions. It is not working in the table field default.  Gives me
the runtime error # 3388 "unknown function 'Environ'.

Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives, please send a
complete link. I have tried finding something suggested in mails but
can't find them easily.

I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they should have
created a valid totally useable workaround

Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL
Patti
**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 11:50:02 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:50:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be 
part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did 
you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd 
rather not.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
> reasons.



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 20 11:55:42 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 09:55:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's pretty
much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 11:58:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:58:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711200930h63bee775yfa05512f9bb97a1f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com><002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711200930h63bee775yfa05512f9bb97a1f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c82b9e$ff4d1cd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>


https://partner.microsoft.com/global/40047166

Step 3: Take your business to new levels by signing up for the Microsoft
Action Pack Subscription. Your subscription offers a full suite of Microsoft
not-for-distribution (NFD) software to help you run your business, train
your staff, and demonstrate your Web-based solutions to your business
customers.

RUN YOUR BUSINESS...

and

https://partner.microsoft.com/global/program/managemembership/actionpack/map
slicensing

The Microsoft Action Pack Subscription License Agreement gives you the right
to use the Action Pack software to run your own business as well as for
evaluation, demonstration, testing, training, and education. They are not
for personal use, for hosting customer applications, or for installation at
a customer site. They may not be resold, transferred, or assigned to any
third party. 

Again, RUN YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

I think it is pretty clear that we can use it for business purposes.
Putting one of the licenses on your child's computer is no doubt illegal.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi John,

You are interpretting the statement differently than I then....

GK



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 12:00:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:00:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <003001c82b9f$3730ab30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Susan,

I am a Sole Proprietorship business.  It cost me about $25 to file the
paperwork with the county.  As such I am Colby Consulting, a licensed
business. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be
part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did
you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
rather not.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an 
> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for 
> various reasons.

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 12:04:18 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:04:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711201004i5a9d9603ob240c0b7c7868666@mail.gmail.com>

I am my own organization. I now am called "Gary Kjos Consulting" since
they needed a company name. But I don't have any officaly incorporated
company of that name. I do occaisional consulting work is all and have
done them without a company name but last year when I renewed they
required me to have a company name other than my own name. So i added
Consulting and they were good with that.

GK

On 11/20/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be
> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did
> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
> rather not.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Susan,
> >
> > You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
> > associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
> > reasons.
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 12:05:59 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:05:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <002f01c82b9e$ff4d1cd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200846td4252e7n7df6bf5005721181@mail.gmail.com>
	<002d01c82b98$5c455490$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711200930h63bee775yfa05512f9bb97a1f@mail.gmail.com>
	<002f01c82b9e$ff4d1cd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711201005s5b037c03v338df8e2e73ac8ed@mail.gmail.com>

Works for me.  I sit corrected.

GK

On 11/20/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/global/40047166
>
> Step 3: Take your business to new levels by signing up for the Microsoft
> Action Pack Subscription. Your subscription offers a full suite of Microsoft
> not-for-distribution (NFD) software to help you run your business, train
> your staff, and demonstrate your Web-based solutions to your business
> customers.
>
> RUN YOUR BUSINESS...
>
> and
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/global/program/managemembership/actionpack/map
> slicensing
>
> The Microsoft Action Pack Subscription License Agreement gives you the right
> to use the Action Pack software to run your own business as well as for
> evaluation, demonstration, testing, training, and education. They are not
> for personal use, for hosting customer applications, or for installation at
> a customer site. They may not be resold, transferred, or assigned to any
> third party.
>
> Again, RUN YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
>
> I think it is pretty clear that we can use it for business purposes.
> Putting one of the licenses on your child's computer is no doubt illegal.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:30 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi John,
>
> You are interpretting the statement differently than I then....
>
> GK
>

-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 12:14:59 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:14:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E59@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch
him over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007
look in Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't
pursued it to find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot
is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede
the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 20 12:19:49 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 12:19:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <20071120182010.CFD4924D6B@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>

Hi Susan,

I am a Registered Partner (lowest level).  It's no charge - I just get some
emails that are sometimes useful.  I've also been able to use my status to
get into two different launch events, and acquire a lot of free software.
Office, Visio, Project, OneNote, Sharepoint, Developer Extensions, etc. 

When I filled in their form, I just filled in the blanks.  They're just
asking for information which shows that you use their products as part of
your business.

Good luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be

part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did 
you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd 
rather not.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
> reasons.

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Nov 20 12:29:46 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:29:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ  A97 vs A2k+
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7424@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Is there a workaround? No. You have to use an API call to get the user ID.
So quit defaulting these fields in your tables and add a tiny bit of code to
the BeforeInsert (for new records) and BeforeUpdate (for edits) events on
your forms.

There's only a very limited list of functions you can use in the default
value property of field in table design view. It was even documented once,
but I'm damned if I can locate it in the Access XP help file. Oh well.

BTW it also makes sense to not allow Environ(). Environ is a risky
proposition because it is quite easy for a user to change an environment
variable, (like "USERNAME") and so potentially bypass 'security'.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+


I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I know about having to
create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)  

I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field (LastUpdtBy) in a
new record in my A97-tables for years.  

I created the function that was recommended and it works in my vb/vba code
portions. It is not working in the table field default.  Gives me the
runtime error # 3388 "unknown function 'Environ'.

Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives, please send a
complete link. I have tried finding something suggested in mails but can't
find them easily.

I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they should have created a
valid totally useable workaround

Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL
Patti
**************************************************
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Nov 20 12:54:17 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 10:54:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004501c82ba6$c099ce90$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

I have been looking at what is distributed in the Action Pack and don't see
Windows XP.  Is it still part of the program ?

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 13:07:07 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 13:07:07 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <004501c82ba6$c099ce90$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<004501c82ba6$c099ce90$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711201107k3f26898epf4a4ab6523fc4780@mail.gmail.com>

No I don't think so. Only Vista comes with it now. It did come with XP
licenses last year but once Vista was officially released, then that
is what comes in Action Pack.

GK

On 11/20/07, Doug Murphy <dw-murphy at cox.net> wrote:
> I have been looking at what is distributed in the Action Pack and don't see
> Windows XP.  Is it still part of the program ?
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:16 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> Hi Julie
>
> This was discussed in the recent thread:
>
> "Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html
>
> I did take a test:
>
> http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html
>
> As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
> explains:
>
> Step 4:
>  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
> available.
>  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page.
>
> I guess you just have to trust that statement.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
> Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
> never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?
>
> Julie Reardon
> PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
> 44 Public Square, Suite 5
> Watertown, NY  13601
> Phone:  315.785.0319
> Fax:  315.785.0323
> NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
> NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
> www.pro-soft.net
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
> dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
>
> For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 20 13:11:44 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:11:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <004501c82ba6$c099ce90$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<004501c82ba6$c099ce90$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <003401c82ba9$313d56b0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have the action pack and no, AFAICT it is no longer in the pack.  However
I have heard that if you got it in a previous version and kept the license
current they are allowing you to continue use. 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 1:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

I have been looking at what is distributed in the Action Pack and don't see
Windows XP.  Is it still part of the program ?

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Julie

This was discussed in the recent thread:

"Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers"

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055763.html 

I did take a test:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2007-October/055800.html 

As for the confirmation, step 4 at the tab "How to Get Your Toolkit"
explains:

Step 4: 
  Order the Web Solutions Toolkit when you receive an email alert that it is
available. 
  For scheduled ship dates, visit the Standard Contents page. 

I guess you just have to trust that statement.

/gustav

>>> prosoft6 at hotmail.com 19-11-2007 21:42 >>>
Thanks for that link John.  I took the test after the course and passed, but
never received a confirmation in e-mail.  Did anyone else take it?

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 2:29 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

For those of you doing Web stuff I just found this:

https://partner.microsoft.com/us/40047166 

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Tue Nov 20 13:23:31 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 14:23:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ  A97 vs A2k+
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Thank you - I had a feeling there might not be a work around 

The table was not being updated in, with or by a form when the error
occurred. 

Wanted to insure I knew the last person at the record.  It was something
that worked fine for 10 years - m$ could have made it read only if
modifying was a problem .  

**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
**************************************************
 

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 01:30 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> 
> Is there a workaround? No. You have to use an API call to get 
> the user ID.
> So quit defaulting these fields in your tables and add a tiny 
> bit of code to the BeforeInsert (for new records) and 
> BeforeUpdate (for edits) events on your forms.
> 
> There's only a very limited list of functions you can use in 
> the default value property of field in table design view. It 
> was even documented once, but I'm damned if I can locate it 
> in the Access XP help file. Oh well.
> 
> BTW it also makes sense to not allow Environ(). Environ is a 
> risky proposition because it is quite easy for a user to 
> change an environment variable, (like "USERNAME") and so 
> potentially bypass 'security'.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> 
> 
> I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I know 
> about having to create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)  
> 
> I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field 
> (LastUpdtBy) in a new record in my A97-tables for years.  
> 
> I created the function that was recommended and it works in 
> my vb/vba code portions. It is not working in the table field 
> default.  Gives me the runtime error # 3388 "unknown function 
> 'Environ'.
> 
> Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives, 
> please send a complete link. I have tried finding something 
> suggested in mails but can't find them easily.
> 
> I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they should 
> have created a valid totally useable workaround
> 
> Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL Patti
> **************************************************
> * Patricia O'Connor
> * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
> * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 14:20:24 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:20:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Message-ID: <29f585dd0711201220q2a34c953lac23792bab40e3aa@mail.gmail.com>

It replaces both the database window and also acts as a customizable
navigation window. Think of it like the navigation pane in Outlook. Once you
learn how to customize it, I think it's very cool. I have habitually used
the Switchboard Manager prior to this, and although it took me some time to
figure out exactly how to use the navigation pane, I vastly prefer it.

Arthur

On 11/20/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
> view?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
> pretty
> much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
> window in 2007.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
> on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
> don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
> something new in A2007?
>
> Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
> running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
> code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Nov 20 14:36:28 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:36:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
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Will this do?

<Code>
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Global Const SW_SHOWNORMAL = 1

Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias "ShellExecuteA"
_
    (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
    ByVal lpOperation As String, _
    ByVal lpFile As String, _
    ByVal lpParameters As String, _
    ByVal lpDirectory As String, _
    ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long

'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish
Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
    "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long

Public Function fOSUserName() As String
' Returns the network login name
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strUserName As String

   strUserName = String$(254, 0)
   lngLen = 255
   lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
   If lngX <> 0 Then
      fOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
   Else
      fOSUserName = ""
   End If
End Function
</Code>

hth,
Arthur

On 11/20/07, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA) <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
wrote:
>
> Thank you - I had a feeling there might not be a work around
>
> The table was not being updated in, with or by a form when the error
> occurred.
>
> Wanted to insure I knew the last person at the record.  It was something
> that worked fine for 10 years - m$ could have made it read only if
> modifying was a problem .
>
> **************************************************
> * Patricia O'Connor
> * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
> * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> * (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
> **************************************************
>
>
> >
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> attachments.  Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and
> delete the e-mail from your system.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Heenan, Lambert
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 01:30 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> >
> > Is there a workaround? No. You have to use an API call to get
> > the user ID.
> > So quit defaulting these fields in your tables and add a tiny
> > bit of code to the BeforeInsert (for new records) and
> > BeforeUpdate (for edits) events on your forms.
> >
> > There's only a very limited list of functions you can use in
> > the default value property of field in table design view. It
> > was even documented once, but I'm damned if I can locate it
> > in the Access XP help file. Oh well.
> >
> > BTW it also makes sense to not allow Environ(). Environ is a
> > risky proposition because it is quite easy for a user to
> > change an environment variable, (like "USERNAME") and so
> > potentially bypass 'security'.
> >
> > Lambert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:34 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> >
> >
> > I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I know
> > about having to create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)
> >
> > I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field
> > (LastUpdtBy) in a new record in my A97-tables for years.
> >
> > I created the function that was recommended and it works in
> > my vb/vba code portions. It is not working in the table field
> > default.  Gives me the runtime error # 3388 "unknown function
> > 'Environ'.
> >
> > Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives,
> > please send a complete link. I have tried finding something
> > suggested in mails but can't find them easily.
> >
> > I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they should
> > have created a valid totally useable workaround
> >
> > Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL Patti
> > **************************************************
> > * Patricia O'Connor
> > * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> > * OTDA - BDMA
> > * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> > * (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
> > **************************************************
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 21:30:18 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:30:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001201c82bee$d7c371a0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...it's all jc's fault :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>
> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
> only Charlotte is that old :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> famous
>> though.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
> around
>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
>> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
> and go
>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
> tune
>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 4:46 PM
>> Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>>>I use this for my own protection.  My laptop contains an encrypted
> file
>>>that
>>> contains my Colby Consulting stuff (books, etc).  I have another
>>> encrypted
>>> drive that contains all client projects.  Thus if the laptop ever
> does
>>> take
>>> a hike, all data is encrypted.  the other nice thing about this is
> that
>>> you
>>> can backup all your work by copying a single encrypted file to a
> backup
>>> location.  If that backup location ever takes a hike no data is
> exposed.
>>>
>>> I have a usb memory stick (just 1 gb for now) where 3/4 is an
> encrypted
>>> file.  If I ever need to carry anything on my person, it is
> encrypted.
>>> The
>>> TrueCrypt program is stored on the unencrypted part and can be run
> from
>>> there.  Thus I can stick the memory stick into a machine, run
> TrueCrypt,
>>> mount the drive and copy files to/from.  Of course you do have to
> have
>>> admin
>>> rights in order to do this.
>>>
>>> I have been using this for about two years now and it just works.
>>>
>>> Just don't forget your password.
>>>
>>> I use the first character from a phrase or song, along with special
>>> characters and numbers which make it dead simple to remember when you
> are
>>> first learning your password.  For example take two nursery rhymes:
>>>
>>> Mary Had A Little Lamb His Fleece Was White As Snow
>>> MhAlLhFwWaS
>>> (use alternating upper and lower case)
>>> Throw two numbers in front of, behind or around it
>>> 0MhAlLhFwWaS9
>>> Now throw two special characters in front of that
>>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@
>>>
>>> That all by itself is a pretty secure password.  If you want more, do
>
>>> that
>>> twice, perhaps
>>>
>>> Jack And Jill Went Up The Hill To Fetch A Pail Of Water
>>> #8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>>
>>> !0MhAlLhFwWaS9@#8JaJwUtHtFaPoW7$
>>>
>>> You get the picture.  Either one is a good password, the two together
> are
>>> pretty industrial strength, and dead easy to remember until you have
> it
>>> assigned to muscle memory.  Pick a favorite saying, slogan, song,
>>> whatever
>>> you already have remembered and just use the first character of each
>>> word,
>>> plus numbers and special symbols.
>>>
>>> Someone (on this list IIRC) claimed they had a password cracker that
>>> would
>>> crack any password in XX seconds.  I think not.  My password is 21
>>> characters long using a simple system like that and takes me about 10
>>> seconds to type in.  10 seconds is not too much to ask for an
> industrial
>>> strength memorable password.
>>>
>>> http://www.lockdown.co.uk/?pg=combi&s=articles
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> Colby Consulting
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 2:11 PM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi William:
>>>
>>> Here is such an article which bears out your client's concerns:
>>>
>>> SECURITY? STICK IT!
>>> A recent survey by Tower Software has revealed that 49% of employees
>>> store
>>> work-related files in multiple locations - posing serious security
>>> threats
>>> and exposure as well as compliance and information management issues.
>>> To read the full story follow the link below...
>>> <http://nfptechno.netxtra.net/3805.article?ref=538&cmr=1234180>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have the FE secured with user logins, etc.  The BE is password
>>> protected.
>>> Both ends (now) contained within encrypted files.  Backups now
> contain
>>> encrypted files.  Totally secure from "outsiders".
>>>
>>> BUT! - once you are in the system, a (valid) user can still "do
> things"
>>> unless he/she is totally restricted by the various methods outlined
> in
>>> postings to this site. Ie. Menu systems, exporting options, printing
> data
>>> options, etc.
>>>
>>> At some stage there has to be employee trust.  Ie, unless I am
> trusted
>>> (being the developer) then nothing else works.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 6:22 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>>
>>> ...whoa! ...now there is something I'd never considered ...I have a
>>> client
>>> that is very concerned about employees stealing his data ...I'll have
> to
>>> take another look at this.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 9:26 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Off-Site Backup
>>>
>>>
>>>> John Colby:
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks for the pointer to TrueCrypt. This is fantastic!  I now
>>>> have all my BE Data in an encrypted file on the Server and the FE's
> in
>>>> an encrypted file on user's PC's.  Even if they steal all the
>>>> computers they will never get access to the data without my 40 char
>>>> key to mount the volumes.
>>>>
>>>> Brilliant tip, John.  Many thanks
>>>>
>>>> Max
>>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 20 21:31:29 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:31:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
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...I've learned so much from you :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
> would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>
> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> gerontological
> gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
> before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is 
> that
> old :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> famous
>> though.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
> around
>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
>> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
> and go
>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
> tune
>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>
>> William
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Nov 20 23:26:03 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:56:03 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K & 2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

Code in form's module - A2K7
(Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
========================================
Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
========================================

    The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane can get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007 to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

    Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other object like table or query should be in open state.

    It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object in NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object, it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

    Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is meant for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant for hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in Access 2003).

    It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open state. It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk hiding/ unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in this state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample universal code in form's module - Access 2007
(for hiding / un-hiding NavPane window)
'====================================
' Declarations section
' Comma separated list of form names
' already in hidden state (so that these
' do not get un-hidden along with others)
' Note - This list gets generated automatically
Private HiddenFormsList As String
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdHide_Click()
    ' Hide all open forms & reports so that with
    ' statement (A) focus stays on NavPane even
    ' when no object is on display (e.g. all NavPane
    ' groups are in collapsed state)
    P_HideAllOpenFormsReports
    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True               ' (A)
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
    
    ' Unhide all open forms and reports (other than
    ' forms deliberately kept hidden).
    ' Activate this form
    P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_HideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    HiddenFormsList = ""        ' Default
    ' Hide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            ' Update list of deliberately hidden forms
            If frm.Visible = False Then
                HiddenFormsList = _
                    HiddenFormsList & "," & frm.Name
            End If
            frm.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Hide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    ' UnHide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            If InStr(HiddenFormsList, frm.Name) > 0 Then
            Else
                frm.Visible = True
            End If
        Next
    End If
    
    ' UnHide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = True
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Activate this form
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, Me.Name, False
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:50
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  Dear List:
   
  A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
  on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
  don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
  something new in A2007?
   
  Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
  running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
  code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
   
  MTIA,
   
  Rocky

From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 00:51:53 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:51:53 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
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Yeah, and I'd have to effect it through code since he's developing this
jewel to sell and distribute.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch him
over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007 look in
Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't pursued it to
find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's pretty
much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 00:53:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:53:59 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
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Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having it
there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both - A2007 and
Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I don't contaminate
a perfectly good working system with all that crap.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

It replaces both the database window and also acts as a customizable
navigation window. Think of it like the navigation pane in Outlook. Once you
learn how to customize it, I think it's very cool. I have habitually used
the Switchboard Manager prior to this, and although it took me some time to
figure out exactly how to use the navigation pane, I vastly prefer it.

Arthur

On 11/20/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in 
> form view?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's 
> pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database 
> window in 2007.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen 
> shot is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
> don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
> something new in A2007?
>
> Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user 
> is running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could 
> precede the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 00:57:41 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 22:57:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <004d01c82c0b$cf669c90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:

Thank you as usual for this solution.  I have to get A2007 I think to see
for myself what you are referring to by the collapsed state.   

What would the effect of the code be in A2003, though since there is no
navigation pane?

Regards,

Rocky

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Rocky,

    A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named
CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in
Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in
NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K &
2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

Code in form's module - A2K7
(Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
========================================
Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
========================================

    The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in
NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane can
get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution
of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007
to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent
object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active
form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form
itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with
hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

    Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the
NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other
object like table or query should be in open state.

    It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object in
NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank
Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the
group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object,
it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not
already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from
effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves
satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

    Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective
hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all
object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is meant
for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant for
hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in
Access 2003).

    It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open state.
It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk hiding/
unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in this
state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample universal code in form's module - Access 2007 (for hiding / un-hiding
NavPane window) '====================================
' Declarations section
' Comma separated list of form names
' already in hidden state (so that these ' do not get un-hidden along with
others) ' Note - This list gets generated automatically Private
HiddenFormsList As String
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdHide_Click()
    ' Hide all open forms & reports so that with
    ' statement (A) focus stays on NavPane even
    ' when no object is on display (e.g. all NavPane
    ' groups are in collapsed state)
    P_HideAllOpenFormsReports
    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True               ' (A)
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
    
    ' Unhide all open forms and reports (other than
    ' forms deliberately kept hidden).
    ' Activate this form
    P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_HideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    HiddenFormsList = ""        ' Default
    ' Hide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            ' Update list of deliberately hidden forms
            If frm.Visible = False Then
                HiddenFormsList = _
                    HiddenFormsList & "," & frm.Name
            End If
            frm.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Hide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    ' UnHide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            If InStr(HiddenFormsList, frm.Name) > 0 Then
            Else
                frm.Visible = True
            End If
        Next
    End If
    
    ' UnHide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = True
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Activate this form
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, Me.Name, False
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:50
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  Dear List:
   
  A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
  on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
  don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
  something new in A2007?
   
  Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
  running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
  code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
   
  MTIA,
   
  Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 06:44:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:44:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <004c01c82c0b$4be39e90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711201220q2a34c953lac23792bab40e3aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<004c01c82c0b$4be39e90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <007e01c82c3c$514b04f0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

VIRTUAL MACHINE! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having it
there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both - A2007 and
Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I don't contaminate
a perfectly good working system with all that crap.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

It replaces both the database window and also acts as a customizable
navigation window. Think of it like the navigation pane in Outlook. Once you
learn how to customize it, I think it's very cool. I have habitually used
the Switchboard Manager prior to this, and although it took me some time to
figure out exactly how to use the navigation pane, I vastly prefer it.

Arthur

On 11/20/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in 
> form view?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's 
> pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database 
> window in 2007.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> Dear List:
>
> A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen 
> shot is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear 
> through
code.  I
> don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
> something new in A2007?
>
> Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user 
> is running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could 
> precede the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
>
> MTIA,
>
> Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 06:46:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 07:46:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <007f01c82c3c$9253bb40$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick or two
from me as well.

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...I've learned so much from you :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
> would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>
> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> gerontological
> gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
> before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is 
> that
> old :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> famous
>> though.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
> around
>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
>> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
> and go
>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
> tune
>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>
>> William
>
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Wed Nov 21 06:46:17 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:16:17 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$c
	e59a27a@personalec1122> <004d01c82c0b$cf669c90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003a01c82c3c$a4166490$3d57a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    It works equally well in A2K & A2K3, where it acts upon the database window (Hide or Show as required). In fact the process becomes much simpler as unlike A2K7, it is no longer necessary to temporarily hide the forms / reports.

    Sample code for hiding / showing db window in A2K / A2K3 is given below.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Code in form's module - A2K & A2K3
(For Hiding and displaying database window)
========================================
Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
    ' Make db window the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    ' Show db window
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
========================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:27
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  A.D.:

  Thank you as usual for this solution.  I have to get A2007 I think to see
  for myself what you are referring to by the collapsed state.   

  What would the effect of the code be in A2003, though since there is no
  navigation pane?

  Regards,

  Rocky  

From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Nov 21 08:37:43 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:37:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>

Hi Susan,

I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines 
Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I 
am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply 
the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper 
than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I 
file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.  
That's it!

So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your 
"organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.

Kind regards,
Tina

Susan Harkins wrote:
> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must be 
> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How did 
> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd 
> rather not.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>   
>> Susan,
>>
>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
>> reasons.
>>     
>
>   


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Nov 21 08:40:16 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:40:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <007e01c82c3c$514b04f0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004101c8
	2b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711201220q2a34c953lac23792bab40e3aa@mail.gmail.com><004c01c82c0b$4be39e90$0301a8c0@HAL
	9005> <007e01c82c3c$514b04f0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <47444350.4030407@torchlake.com>

One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine 
concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of 
needing more than one box.
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> VIRTUAL MACHINE! 
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having it
> there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both - A2007 and
> Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I don't contaminate
> a perfectly good working system with all that crap.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>
> It replaces both the database window and also acts as a customizable
> navigation window. Think of it like the navigation pane in Outlook. Once you
> learn how to customize it, I think it's very cool. I have habitually used
> the Switchboard Manager prior to this, and although it took me some time to
> figure out exactly how to use the navigation pane, I vastly prefer it.
>
> Arthur
>
> On 11/20/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
> wrote:
>   
>> Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in 
>> form view?
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>> Foust
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>>
>> If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's 
>> pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database 
>> window in 2007.
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
>> Smolin at Beach Access Software
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
>>
>> Dear List:
>>
>> A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen 
>> shot is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear 
>> through
>>     
> code.  I
>   
>> don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
>> something new in A2007?
>>
>> Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user 
>> is running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could 
>> precede the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
>>
>> MTIA,
>>
>> Rocky
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Nov 21 08:33:47 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:33:47 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
In-Reply-To: <002e01c82b9a$d3c83350$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C9D8@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

So you probably installed your current OS with the 'old drives' online,
so Windows wrote the MBR to those drives.

Hmmm, I'd say the fastest way to fix this would be to run the repair
from the Windows 2003 CD.  Put it in.  See if it finds your existing OS.
Let it run the repair options. (Do this with the old drives out).  If it
still won't boot, don't panic, there is a 'hidden' repair option that
most people don't use.  Boot to the CD again, this time, tell it to
install the OS.  Go past the F8 licensing thing..... it will scan for
existing OSes before it installs the new one.  If it finds the OS on
your existing RAID controller, use the repair option at this step, and
it should do the trick.  This repair option literally reinstalls the OS,
while leaving the partition and installed software alone.  Had an
'imaged' system I was trying to restore in Virtual PC, wouldn't boot,
kept hanging.  Normal 'repair' options did nothing. Ran this repair
method, and about 30 minutes later, it was up and running.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable

Michael,

I am not sure I understand.  I have a system with the OS itself on a
raid
drive, running on a dedicated raid controller card.  That works exactly
as
expected and I like it - raid 6 protection etc.  I also have a pair of
older
drives which probably (the details are hazy now) had the OS on them
originally, which run off of the raid controller on the motherboard.
These
two disks form a raid 1 array (mirrored) with nothing visible on it, and
yes
I have told windows explorer to show system and hidden files.  However
if I
disconnect these two older drives from the motherboard (remove power or
remove the SATA connector) windows does not boot.  

IIRC there is a master boot record that is written to a drive that is
where
windows goes for the very first "bootstrap" code.  It then tells windows
where the rest of the OS is located.  I thought there was a "sys"
command
(in the old days anyway) that would write this master boot record and
perhaps a couple of other files to a hard disk and that you could just
"sys"
a drive to make it the drive with that MBR stuff.  If I can do that to
the
C: drive on the Areca dedicated raid card then I could boot directly off
of
that C: drive and get rid of these two older drives.  If they ever fail
I am
doomed.  Yea they are raid one but I do NOT want to be trying to rebuild
a
mirror just for some hidden MBR that should have been moved long ago.

Unfortunately I do not know as much about that stuff as I once did and
have
so far been unable to discover how to change from "booting" off these
older
drives to booting off the new.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 08:49:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:49:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
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Tina,

To be honest, I don't remember how much it was, I just remembered thinking
"that's cheap".  Just a few bucks so to speak.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Susan,

I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines
Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I am
also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply the
commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper than
John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I file a
Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.  
That's it!

So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your
"organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.

Kind regards,
Tina

Susan Harkins wrote:
> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you 
> must be part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are 
> partners? How did you fill in the organization holes? I could make 
> something up, but I'd rather not.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>   
>> Susan,
>>
>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an 
>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for 
>> various reasons.
>>     
>
>   
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Nov 21 08:50:51 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:50:51 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <007e01c82c3c$514b04f0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C9E3@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I feel the world beginning to shift.  I'm in complete agreement with you
JWC!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

VIRTUAL MACHINE! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having
it
there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both - A2007
and
Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I don't
contaminate
a perfectly good working system with all that crap.

Rocky
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 08:55:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:55:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable
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I tried that.  It did not offer to repair an existing OS install.  It did
find the drive (I have a slipstream disk with the raid drivers on it) and
asked if I wanted to format it etc, but when I answered no it started a new
install.  When it was done, there was an entire NEW copy of Windows 2003 in
it's own directory, but even that wouldn't boot without the old drives or
the slipstream CD disk in.  And yes, I disconnected the old drives before
doing the new install.

I hooked up the old drives and can get back to my original 2003 install (it
gives me a boot menu).  PITA really!  I ended up just giving up (real work
to do).  Will go back there someday.  Sigh.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 9:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable

So you probably installed your current OS with the 'old drives' online, so
Windows wrote the MBR to those drives.

Hmmm, I'd say the fastest way to fix this would be to run the repair from
the Windows 2003 CD.  Put it in.  See if it finds your existing OS.
Let it run the repair options. (Do this with the old drives out).  If it
still won't boot, don't panic, there is a 'hidden' repair option that most
people don't use.  Boot to the CD again, this time, tell it to install the
OS.  Go past the F8 licensing thing..... it will scan for existing OSes
before it installs the new one.  If it finds the OS on your existing RAID
controller, use the repair option at this step, and it should do the trick.
This repair option literally reinstalls the OS, while leaving the partition
and installed software alone.  Had an 'imaged' system I was trying to
restore in Virtual PC, wouldn't boot, kept hanging.  Normal 'repair' options
did nothing. Ran this repair method, and about 30 minutes later, it was up
and running.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: make volume bootable

Michael,

I am not sure I understand.  I have a system with the OS itself on a raid
drive, running on a dedicated raid controller card.  That works exactly as
expected and I like it - raid 6 protection etc.  I also have a pair of older
drives which probably (the details are hazy now) had the OS on them
originally, which run off of the raid controller on the motherboard.
These
two disks form a raid 1 array (mirrored) with nothing visible on it, and yes
I have told windows explorer to show system and hidden files.  However if I
disconnect these two older drives from the motherboard (remove power or
remove the SATA connector) windows does not boot.  

IIRC there is a master boot record that is written to a drive that is where
windows goes for the very first "bootstrap" code.  It then tells windows
where the rest of the OS is located.  I thought there was a "sys"
command
(in the old days anyway) that would write this master boot record and
perhaps a couple of other files to a hard disk and that you could just "sys"
a drive to make it the drive with that MBR stuff.  If I can do that to the
C: drive on the Areca dedicated raid card then I could boot directly off of
that C: drive and get rid of these two older drives.  If they ever fail I am
doomed.  Yea they are raid one but I do NOT want to be trying to rebuild a
mirror just for some hidden MBR that should have been moved long ago.

Unfortunately I do not know as much about that stuff as I once did and have
so far been unable to discover how to change from "booting" off these older
drives to booting off the new.


John W. Colby
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 08:52:36 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:52:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E56@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><004101c82b9e$91e12e20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0711201220q2a34c953lac23792bab40e3aa@mail.gmail.com><004c01c82c0b$4be39e90$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Message-ID: <00d001c82c4e$29329070$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Count me in on that Tina. I need to maintain two or three different versions 
of everything for articles and Outlook is throws a monkey wrench into that. 
Right now, Outlook 2003 is totally hosed and I have no idea why. It opens, 
the interface is there, but I can't do anything. I also have a very old 
virus in my startup file, which I keep under control by not enabling System 
Restore. I really need to reformat and start over and when I do, I plan a 
virtual machine for 2003 and 2007. The problem is finding the time to backup 
the hard drive and actually plow through it. Nobody's going to pay me to do 
that... ;)

I set aside time in July, and we moved instead. So, now I'm looking ahead to 
the Christmas holidays. Crossing my fingers...

Susan H.


> One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine
> concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of
> needing more than one box.
> Tina



From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Nov 21 09:05:54 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:05:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
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Arthur
I will give this a try
Thank you 
Patti
**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 03:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> 
> Will this do?
> 
> <Code>
> Option Compare Database
> Option Explicit
> Global Const SW_SHOWNORMAL = 1
> 
> Public Declare Function ShellExecute Lib "shell32.dll" Alias 
> "ShellExecuteA"
> _
>     (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
>     ByVal lpOperation As String, _
>     ByVal lpFile As String, _
>     ByVal lpParameters As String, _
>     ByVal lpDirectory As String, _
>     ByVal nShowCmd As Long) As Long
> 
> 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of 
> an application.
> 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the 
> copyright notice is left unchanged.
> 'Code courtesy of Dev Ashish
> Private Declare Function apiGetUserName Lib "advapi32.dll" Alias _
>     "GetUserNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long
> 
> Public Function fOSUserName() As String
> ' Returns the network login name
> Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> Dim strUserName As String
> 
>    strUserName = String$(254, 0)
>    lngLen = 255
>    lngX = apiGetUserName(strUserName, lngLen)
>    If lngX <> 0 Then
>       fOSUserName = Left$(strUserName, lngLen - 1)
>    Else
>       fOSUserName = ""
>    End If
> End Function
> </Code>
> 
> hth,
> Arthur
> 
> On 11/20/07, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA) 
> <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you - I had a feeling there might not be a work around
> >
> > The table was not being updated in, with or by a form when 
> the error 
> > occurred.
> >
> > Wanted to insure I knew the last person at the record.  It was 
> > something that worked fine for 10 years - m$ could have 
> made it read 
> > only if modifying was a problem .
> >
> > **************************************************
> > * Patricia O'Connor
> > * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> > * OTDA - BDMA
> > * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> > * (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
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> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of Heenan, 
> > > Lambert
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 01:30 PM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs 
> > > A2k+
> > >
> > > Is there a workaround? No. You have to use an API call to get the 
> > > user ID.
> > > So quit defaulting these fields in your tables and add a 
> tiny bit of 
> > > code to the BeforeInsert (for new records) and BeforeUpdate (for 
> > > edits) events on your forms.
> > >
> > > There's only a very limited list of functions you can use in the 
> > > default value property of field in table design view. It was even 
> > > documented once, but I'm damned if I can locate it in the 
> Access XP 
> > > help file. Oh well.
> > >
> > > BTW it also makes sense to not allow Environ(). Environ 
> is a risky 
> > > proposition because it is quite easy for a user to change an 
> > > environment variable, (like "USERNAME") and so potentially bypass 
> > > 'security'.
> > >
> > > Lambert
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of O'Connor, 
> > > Patricia (OTDA)
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:34 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Populate field with userid Environ A97 vs A2k+
> > >
> > >
> > > I am upgrading an Access97 to Access2k to Access2k3.  I 
> know about 
> > > having to create a function to use it in A2k and A2k3 (GRRR)
> > >
> > > I have been using =Environ("UserName") to populate a field
> > > (LastUpdtBy) in a new record in my A97-tables for years.
> > >
> > > I created the function that was recommended and it works in my 
> > > vb/vba code portions. It is not working in the table 
> field default.  
> > > Gives me the runtime error # 3388 "unknown function 'Environ'.
> > >
> > > Is there a workaround?  If there is one in the archives, 
> please send 
> > > a complete link. I have tried finding something suggested 
> in mails 
> > > but can't find them easily.
> > >
> > > I still think this ban was ridiculous or at least they 
> should have 
> > > created a valid totally useable workaround
> > >
> > > Thanks -  Have a wonderful Thanksgiving ALL Patti
> > > **************************************************
> > > * Patricia O'Connor
> > > * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> > > * OTDA - BDMA
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 21 09:21:45 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:21:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
Message-ID: <s7445b37.007@cactus.dk>

Hi Tina

Don't hesitate. We haven't worked that much with Microsoft's implementation or Xen (now bought by Citrix) but has focussed on the free VMware Server:

http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

It's a marvellous product and we (me and my colleagues) recommend it highly. All server installations we have carried out for the last six months have been on virtual machines and all future will except for some special situations (like old hardware with limited ram).
The negative part is that a virtual server runs about 10-15% slower than a clean physical installation on identical hardware, and that ram in a virtual server is limited to 3.6 GB for the free version. Everything else are pluses:

 - zero cost
 - runs on all decent hardware
 - host OS can be Windows (Server preferred) or Linux
 - remote control of the virtual servers including rebooting.
 - backup of a _complete_ virtual server to one single file is a snap. So is restore(!)
 - configuration of a server can be done on any decent hardware, then moved to the client's brand new hardware.
 - thus, extremely fast replacement of broken down hardware.

Virtual servers are about to revolutionize server installations and in a few years it will be the default method except for some rare cases.
If you prefer not to use Linux as the host OS, you can use an AMD 64 bit server which typically supports 8 GB ram or more and install the 64 bit Windows Server from the Action Pack you have wondered what to use for.

/gustav

>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 21-11-2007 15:40 >>>
One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine 
concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of 
needing more than one box.
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> VIRTUAL MACHINE! 





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 09:38:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:38:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
In-Reply-To: <s7445b37.007@cactus.dk>
References: <s7445b37.007@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <009501c82c54$95c3a0c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

The one thing I would add is that it also uses a virtual video device which
has poor capabilities, so NO GAMING.  

8-( 

It took me awhile to figure that out.  It does NOT use the actual installed
hardware, i.e. you cannot set the drivers for your actual hardware and so it
simply does not have the capabilities to run one of the modern games, and
there is just no way to make it do so.  I think it will run the old stuff
like pong or Tetris.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

Hi Tina

Don't hesitate. We haven't worked that much with Microsoft's implementation
or Xen (now bought by Citrix) but has focussed on the free VMware Server:

http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

It's a marvellous product and we (me and my colleagues) recommend it highly.
All server installations we have carried out for the last six months have
been on virtual machines and all future will except for some special
situations (like old hardware with limited ram).
The negative part is that a virtual server runs about 10-15% slower than a
clean physical installation on identical hardware, and that ram in a virtual
server is limited to 3.6 GB for the free version. Everything else are
pluses:

 - zero cost
 - runs on all decent hardware
 - host OS can be Windows (Server preferred) or Linux
 - remote control of the virtual servers including rebooting.
 - backup of a _complete_ virtual server to one single file is a snap. So is
restore(!)
 - configuration of a server can be done on any decent hardware, then moved
to the client's brand new hardware.
 - thus, extremely fast replacement of broken down hardware.

Virtual servers are about to revolutionize server installations and in a few
years it will be the default method except for some rare cases.
If you prefer not to use Linux as the host OS, you can use an AMD 64 bit
server which typically supports 8 GB ram or more and install the 64 bit
Windows Server from the Action Pack you have wondered what to use for.

/gustav

>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 21-11-2007 15:40 >>>
One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine
concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of needing
more than one box.
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> VIRTUAL MACHINE! 



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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Nov 21 10:05:59 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:05:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
In-Reply-To: <009501c82c54$95c3a0c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <s7445b37.007@cactus.dk> <009501c82c54$95c3a0c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003401c82c58$687b3bb0$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  This is one of the major drawbacks with virtualizing that I've found.
Your limited to VGA resolution (640x480) if you connect to the console.
It's a royal pain when you work with it.

  One workaround for that is if you don't need the console, you can RDP in. 

  Still doesn't help with the games though ;)

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

The one thing I would add is that it also uses a virtual video device which
has poor capabilities, so NO GAMING.  

8-( 

It took me awhile to figure that out.  It does NOT use the actual installed
hardware, i.e. you cannot set the drivers for your actual hardware and so it
simply does not have the capabilities to run one of the modern games, and
there is just no way to make it do so.  I think it will run the old stuff
like pong or Tetris.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:22 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

Hi Tina

Don't hesitate. We haven't worked that much with Microsoft's implementation
or Xen (now bought by Citrix) but has focussed on the free VMware Server:

http://www.vmware.com/products/server/

It's a marvellous product and we (me and my colleagues) recommend it highly.
All server installations we have carried out for the last six months have
been on virtual machines and all future will except for some special
situations (like old hardware with limited ram).
The negative part is that a virtual server runs about 10-15% slower than a
clean physical installation on identical hardware, and that ram in a virtual
server is limited to 3.6 GB for the free version. Everything else are
pluses:

 - zero cost
 - runs on all decent hardware
 - host OS can be Windows (Server preferred) or Linux
 - remote control of the virtual servers including rebooting.
 - backup of a _complete_ virtual server to one single file is a snap. So is
restore(!)
 - configuration of a server can be done on any decent hardware, then moved
to the client's brand new hardware.
 - thus, extremely fast replacement of broken down hardware.

Virtual servers are about to revolutionize server installations and in a few
years it will be the default method except for some rare cases.
If you prefer not to use Linux as the host OS, you can use an AMD 64 bit
server which typically supports 8 GB ram or more and install the 64 bit
Windows Server from the Action Pack you have wondered what to use for.

/gustav

>>> tinanfields at torchlake.com 21-11-2007 15:40 >>>
One of these days, I really have to investigate this virtual machine
concept.  It really is cool, and it seems to solve the problem of needing
more than one box.
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> VIRTUAL MACHINE! 



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 21 10:15:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:15:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
Message-ID: <s74467a6.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Seems like you have missed something! Just mark View, Autofit Window:

On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences. 

Autofit Preferences 
Use Autofit preferences to control how the console behaves when Autofit is active. Select Autofit window to have VMware Server change the console window size to match the guest operating system screen resolution. This is the same as choosing View > Autofit Window. Select Autofit guest to have VMware Server change the guest operating system display resolution to match the console window size. This is the same as choosing View > Autofit Guest. 

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 21-11-2007 17:05 >>>
John,

  This is one of the major drawbacks with virtualizing that I've found.
Your limited to VGA resolution (640x480) if you connect to the console.
It's a royal pain when you work with it.

  One workaround for that is if you don't need the console, you can RDP in. 





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:15:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:15:15 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <007f01c82c3c$9253bb40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
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Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick or
two from me as well.

;-)

John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...I've learned so much from you :)

William

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that 
>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>
> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+

> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,

> only Charlotte is that old :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> famous
>> though.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
> around
>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because 
>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, 
>> sync,
> and go
>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
> tune
>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>
>> William
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:16:58 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:16:58 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <004b01c82c0a$fffa0690$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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*He's* developing it?  Then what are you doing, hanging the curtains?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yeah, and I'd have to effect it through code since he's developing this
jewel to sell and distribute.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch
him over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007
look in Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't
pursued it to find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot
is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede
the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:19:54 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:19:54 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0C9E3@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Quick, everyone grab something solid!  The earthquake should being any
minute now! LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:51 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

I feel the world beginning to shift.  I'm in complete agreement with you
JWC!

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

VIRTUAL MACHINE! 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Well, he sent me a screen shot showing how it screws up the forms having
it there.  I think I may have to bite the  bullet here and get both -
A2007 and Vista, and maybe a separate machine to run both so that I
don't contaminate a perfectly good working system with all that crap.

Rocky
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:22:28 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:22:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<007f01c82c3c$9253bb40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000701c82c5a$b5ffd420$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...lol ...ladies first! :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick or 
> two
> from me as well.
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...I've learned so much from you :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that he
>> would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
>> Foust
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>>
>> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
>> gerontological
>> gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+ and writing code
>> before the first computer was built ...besides which, only Charlotte is
>> that
>> old :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
>> famous
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>>
>>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
>> around
>>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because most
>>> everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on, sync,
>> and go
>>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
>> tune
>>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>>
>>> William
>>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:29:18 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:29:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
References: <003101c828fd$8dcf9e50$8119fea9@LTVM><001301c82930$a9e31620$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E35@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00ae01c82ac6$d9d03010$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82bef$01dbf6b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local><007f01c82c3c$9253bb40$6c7aa8c0@M90>
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...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older man would you? 
:)

...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze ...you 
can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms and banana trees 
...among the orchids.

William

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From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick or
> two from me as well.
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...I've learned so much from you :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that
>>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>> Foust
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>>
>> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
>> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like 80+
>
>> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides which,
>
>> only Charlotte is that old :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
>> famous
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>>
>>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
>> around
>>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because
>>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on,
>>> sync,
>> and go
>>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
>> tune
>>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>>
>>> William
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 10:34:09 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:34:09 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
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Um...correction, I'm programming and providing design advice on forms and
reports, and the major design features that he hadn't considered, like
licensing, manual, consistency, etc.  But it's his idea and specification of
features and functions - I don't know squat about the patent and trademark
process.  So I guess I think of him as the developer and me as the hired
gun.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

*He's* developing it?  Then what are you doing, hanging the curtains?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yeah, and I'd have to effect it through code since he's developing this
jewel to sell and distribute.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch him
over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007 look in
Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't pursued it to
find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's pretty
much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:39:31 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:39:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
In-Reply-To: <000b01c82c5b$ab731070$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
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How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you keep on
about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I may not need any
other encouragement to come after you! LOL

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older man would
you? 
:)

...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze
...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms and banana
trees ...among the orchids.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup


> Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have learned a trick
or
> two from me as well.
>
> ;-)
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
> ...I've learned so much from you :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>
>
>>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...  And that
>>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>> Foust
>> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>>
>> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
>> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like
80+
>
>> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
which,
>
>> only Charlotte is that old :)
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
>> famous
>>> though.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>>
>>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it on a chain
>> around
>>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because
>>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it in, log-on,
>>> sync,
>> and go
>>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based on an Elvis
>> tune
>>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>>>
>>> William
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 10:41:08 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:41:08 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <003701c82c5c$578de6f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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LOL!  Cue the Sergio Leone music!

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Um...correction, I'm programming and providing design advice on forms
and reports, and the major design features that he hadn't considered,
like licensing, manual, consistency, etc.  But it's his idea and
specification of features and functions - I don't know squat about the
patent and trademark process.  So I guess I think of him as the
developer and me as the hired
gun.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

*He's* developing it?  Then what are you doing, hanging the curtains?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yeah, and I'd have to effect it through code since he's developing this
jewel to sell and distribute.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Yuck, I haven't worked with the beast enough to know.  Can you switch
him over to VB.Net??  LOL  

I know there's some kind of draconian method to get the old pre-2007
look in Office, so that may apply to Access as well, but I haven't
pursued it to find out.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Apparently it's in form view as well.  So no way to turn it off in form
view?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

If he's talking about the panel on the left in design view, then he's
pretty much out of luck, since that's the replacement for the database
window in 2007.   

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Dear List:
 
A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot
is on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through
code.  I
don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
something new in A2007?
 
Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede
the code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
 
MTIA,
 
Rocky
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Nov 21 11:16:42 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:16:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <20071121171707.7B5DE1CE58@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>

I sure do forget the obvious things!

My company is ProMation Systems, Inc. 

And I am also a single person company.  ProMation Systems is a subchapter S
corporation in Minnesota.  I did this partly for marketing and partly for
liability.  Minnesota didn't allow the option to set up my company as a
Limited Liability Corporation (LLC) 5 years ago, but that's what I would do
today.

Good Luck Susan,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

Hi Susan,

I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines 
Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I 
am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply 
the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper 
than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I 
file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.  
That's it!

So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your 
"organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.

Kind regards,
Tina

Susan Harkins wrote:
> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must
be 
> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How
did 
> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd 
> rather not.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>   
>> Susan,
>>
>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
>> reasons.
>>     
>
>   
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 11:56:07 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:56:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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OH MY GOSH!!!!!

It won't let me use Firefox to sign up! Fools...

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
>
> I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines
> Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I
> am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply
> the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper
> than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I
> file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.
> That's it!
>
> So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your
> "organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must 
>> be
>> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How 
>> did
>> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
>> rather not.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Susan,
>>>
>>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
>>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 12:21:39 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:21:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
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	<474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
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Well, I can't sign up. I don't have a web site. It would not accept my 
account without a url. What a hoot -- a waste of my time today. These folks 
just think too well of themselves if you ask me.

Susan H.

>
> I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines
> Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I
> am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply
> the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper
> than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I
> file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.
> That's it!
>
> So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your
> "organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must 
>> be
>> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How 
>> did
>> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
>> rather not.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Susan,
>>>
>>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
>>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 12:33:18 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 12:33:18 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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	<00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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It just wants something. I put in www.comcast.net I beleive.

On 11/21/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I can't sign up. I don't have a web site. It would not accept my
> account without a url. What a hoot -- a waste of my time today. These folks
> just think too well of themselves if you ask me.
>
> Susan H.
>
> >
> > I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall Pines
> > Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny company.  I
> > am also all the functions of the company, because Tall Pines is simply
> > the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the county was cheaper
> > than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed every three years. I
> > file a Schedule C for the business with my annual income tax return.
> > That's it!
> >
> > So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your
> > "organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Tina
> >
> > Susan Harkins wrote:
> >> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you must
> >> be
> >> part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are partners? How
> >> did
> >> you fill in the organization holes? I could make something up, but I'd
> >> rather not.
> >>
> >> Susan H.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Susan,
> >>>
> >>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an
> >>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for various
> >>> reasons.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 12:40:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:40:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <00b201c82c67$cc678890$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk><001701c82b7f$705dde20$6c7aa8c0@M90><006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
	<00b201c82c67$cc678890$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00a001c82c6d$f840e8c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  Yea, MS just HATES FireFox and does whatever they can to break it.  I
think they have a special "break Firefox goon squad" locked away in a little
room just searching for incompatibilities night and day. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

OH MY GOSH!!!!!

It won't let me use Firefox to sign up! Fools...

Susan H.


> Hi Susan,
>
> I am also just a Registered Partner, like Dan.  My company is Tall 
> Pines Computer Training and I am the sole proprietor of this tiny 
> company.  I am also all the functions of the company, because Tall 
> Pines is simply the commercial face of Tina Fields.  My DBA with the 
> county was cheaper than John's - only $10 - and it has to be renewed 
> every three years. I file a Schedule C for the business with my annual
income tax return.
> That's it!
>
> So, create a business or commercial face of Susan Harkins as your 
> "organization" and you are all set - legally, and ethically.
>
> Kind regards,
> Tina
>
> Susan Harkins wrote:
>> I haven't gone through the process, but the information suggests you 
>> must be part of an "organization" -- any loners out there who are 
>> partners? How did you fill in the organization holes? I could make 
>> something up, but I'd rather not.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>
>>> Susan,
>>>
>>> You can be a partner without being a "certified" partner.  I'm an 
>>> associate partner, but I don't subscribe to the action pack for 
>>> various reasons.
>>>
>>
>>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 12:42:25 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:42:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
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	<aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c82c6e$43112180$6c7aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL, that is too good.  You should have put in some porn site that would
have infected their computers with nasties when they clicked on it to test
that it was valid. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers

It just wants something. I put in www.comcast.net I beleive.

On 11/21/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I can't sign up. I don't have a web site. It would not accept my 
> account without a url. What a hoot -- a waste of my time today. These 
> folks just think too well of themselves if you ask me.
>
> Susan H.



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 21 12:42:17 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:42:17 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E6A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <012101c82c6e$3f0906c0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Enough already. What started as a Friday OT has staggered on to Wednesday
and that's probably enough. Please go OT if you want to carry this on.
Thanks.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: 21 November 2007 16:40
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was 
> offsite backup)
> 
> 
> How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you 
> keep on about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I 
> may not need any other encouragement to come after you! LOL
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> 
> ...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older 
> man would you? 
> :)
> 
> ...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle 
> breeze ...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the 
> palms and banana trees ...among the orchids.
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> 
> 
> > Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> > Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have 
> learned a trick
> or
> > two from me as well.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> > ...I've learned so much from you :)
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> >
> >>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age... 
>  And that 
> >>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
> >>
> >>
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte 
> >> Foust
> >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
> >>
> >> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> >> Hindman
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> >> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like
> 80+
> >
> >> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
> which,
> >
> >> only Charlotte is that old :)
> >>
> >> William
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >>
> >>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> >>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> >> famous
> >>> though.
> >>>
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> >> Hindman
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>>
> >>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it 
> on a chain
> >> around
> >>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because 
> >>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it 
> in, log-on, 
> >>> sync,
> >> and go
> >>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based 
> on an Elvis
> >> tune
> >>> ...shows my age, it does :)
> >>>
> >>> William
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 12:54:39 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:54:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
In-Reply-To: <012101c82c6e$3f0906c0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E6A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<012101c82c6e$3f0906c0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <00a201c82c6f$f88bc280$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Andy,

In the US this is the new Friday (for this week - Thanksgiving long weekend)



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)

Enough already. What started as a Friday OT has staggered on to Wednesday
and that's probably enough. Please go OT if you want to carry this on.
Thanks.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: 21 November 2007 16:40
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite 
> backup)
> 
> 
> How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you keep on 
> about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I may not need any 
> other encouragement to come after you! LOL
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> 
> ...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older man would 
> you?
> :)
> 
> ...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze 
> ...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms and banana 
> trees ...among the orchids.
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> 
> 
> > Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> > Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have
> learned a trick
> or
> > two from me as well.
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> > ...I've learned so much from you :)
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >
> >
> >>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age... 
>  And that
> >>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
> >>
> >>
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Charlotte
> >> Foust
> >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
> >>
> >> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> >> Hindman
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the 
> >> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like
> 80+
> >
> >> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
> which,
> >
> >> only Charlotte is that old :)
> >>
> >> William
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>
> >>
> >>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> >>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
> >> famous
> >>> though.
> >>>
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> >> Hindman
> >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> >>>
> >>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it
> on a chain
> >> around
> >>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because 
> >>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it
> in, log-on,
> >>> sync,
> >> and go
> >>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based
> on an Elvis
> >> tune
> >>> ...shows my age, it does :)
> >>>
> >>> William
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 13:09:11 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:09:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<006f01c82b7f$ff129cf0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><009e01c82b8c$6cf6d270$8abea8c0@XPS><000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com><00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010501c82c72$070d1190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, I really didn't think about doing something like that. I'm surprised 
they'll take anything, when they're forcing  a value -- that seems terribly 
inefficient.

Susan H.


> It just wants something. I put in www.comcast.net I beleive.



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Nov 21 13:18:59 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:18:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E6A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><012101c82c6e$3f0906c0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
	<00a201c82c6f$f88bc280$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003301c82c73$5f042ef0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...sssshhhhh! ...don't tell Charlotte, eh ...Andy got me off the hook, he 
did :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)


> Andy,
>
> In the US this is the new Friday (for this week - Thanksgiving long 
> weekend)
>
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
>
> Enough already. What started as a Friday OT has staggered on to Wednesday
> and that's probably enough. Please go OT if you want to carry this on.
> Thanks.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
>> Foust
>> Sent: 21 November 2007 16:40
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite
>> backup)
>>
>>
>> How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you keep on
>> about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I may not need any
>> other encouragement to come after you! LOL
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> Hindman
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>> ...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a older man would
>> you?
>> :)
>>
>> ...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze
>> ...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms and banana
>> trees ...among the orchids.
>>
>> William
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>>
>>
>> > Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
>> >
>> > Charlotte Foust
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
>> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >
>> > Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have
>> learned a trick
>> or
>> > two from me as well.
>> >
>> > ;-)
>> >
>> > John W. Colby
>> > Colby Consulting
>> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> > Hindman
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >
>> > ...I've learned so much from you :)
>> >
>> > William
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >
>> >
>> >>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...
>>  And that
>> >>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John W. Colby
>> >> Colby Consulting
>> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>> Charlotte
>> >> Foust
>> >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
>> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >>
>> >> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
>> >>
>> >> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> >> Hindman
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
>> >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >>
>> >> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
>> >> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you something like
>> 80+
>> >
>> >> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
>> which,
>> >
>> >> only Charlotte is that old :)
>> >>
>> >> William
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>> >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
>> >>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from Minnesota)- world
>> >> famous
>> >>> though.
>> >>>
>> >>> Max
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
>> >> Hindman
>> >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
>> >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
>> >>>
>> >>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it
>> on a chain
>> >> around
>> >>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices anymore because
>> >>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it
>> in, log-on,
>> >>> sync,
>> >> and go
>> >>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based
>> on an Elvis
>> >> tune
>> >>> ...shows my age, it does :)
>> >>>
>> >>> William
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> AccessD mailing list
>> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 




From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 13:25:43 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 13:25:43 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <010501c82c72$070d1190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk> <000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com>
	<002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com>
	<00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com>
	<010501c82c72$070d1190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711211125h715f00fbled080571ee991636@mail.gmail.com>

You could try putting "NONE" in there too.  Might just be looking for
a non-blank value.  Yes, it's dumb that it requires it, but you have
to give it what it wants.

On my companies website we have literally hundreds of thousands of
customers with things like "None" or "No E-MAIL" or "I don't have
e-mail" in the e-mail address field. We evidently were requiring
customers to enter something in there. I have had to do a lot of
filters over the years to weed out that kind of crud.

On 11/21/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I really didn't think about doing something like that. I'm surprised
> they'll take anything, when they're forcing  a value -- that seems terribly
> inefficient.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > It just wants something. I put in www.comcast.net I beleive.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 13:43:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:43:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <s742c217.019@cactus.dk>
	<000401c82b8d$b1960080$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711200815h6f4c3ae7j85c863c670cb3daf@mail.gmail.com><002901c82b92$51c7fe60$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E57@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><00c101c82b9d$ca1c6ee0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><474442B7.9010502@torchlake.com><00b701c82c6b$5e606e80$4b3a8343@SusanOne><aea6c4950711211033u629d0664o3c01cd6047b3fd37@mail.gmail.com><010501c82c72$070d1190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<aea6c4950711211125h715f00fbled080571ee991636@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c82c76$c1682490$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



> You could try putting "NONE" in there too.  Might just be looking for
> a non-blank value.  Yes, it's dumb that it requires it, but you have
> to give it what it wants.

=====Tried that. 

Susan H. 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 21 13:54:10 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:54:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup)
In-Reply-To: <00a201c82c6f$f88bc280$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <013401c82c78$48efec80$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Don't rub it in - work as usual for the rest of us. Happy Thanksgiving
anyway.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 21 November 2007 18:55
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was 
> offsite backup)
> 
> 
> Andy,
> 
> In the US this is the new Friday (for this week - 
> Thanksgiving long weekend)
> 
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:42 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was 
> offsite backup)
> 
> Enough already. What started as a Friday OT has staggered on 
> to Wednesday and that's probably enough. Please go OT if you 
> want to carry this on. Thanks.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> > Foust
> > Sent: 21 November 2007 16:40
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Was( Encrypting your stuff was offsite 
> > backup)
> > 
> > 
> > How much older?  Enough to give me a real advantage?  If you keep on
> > about your weather while I'm bundled up in fleece, I may 
> not need any 
> > other encouragement to come after you! LOL
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> > Hindman
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:29 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > 
> > ...now, now Charlotte ...you'd not take advantage of a 
> older man would
> > you?
> > :)
> > 
> > ...besides which, it's 80F here, partly cloudy, and a gentle breeze
> > ...you can find me outside in my hammock ...under the palms 
> and banana 
> > trees ...among the orchids.
> > 
> > William
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > 
> > 
> > > Hmmn ... and stay away from open windows?
> > >
> > > Charlotte Foust
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:47 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >
> > > Just don't go skydiving with Ms. Foust.  She may have
> > learned a trick
> > or
> > > two from me as well.
> > >
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > Colby Consulting
> > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> > > Hindman
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 10:31 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >
> > > ...I've learned so much from you :)
> > >
> > > William
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 11:11 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >
> > >
> > >>I am amazed that Mr Hindman has lived to his current age...
> >  And that
> > >>he  would sling stuff like that given his current age...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> John W. Colby
> > >> Colby Consulting
> > >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > Charlotte
> > >> Foust
> > >> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 10:59 AM
> > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >>
> > >> I'll GET you for that, Mr. Hindman.  Grrr
> > >>
> > >> Charlotte Foust aka Granny
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of William
> > >> Hindman
> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 7:44 AM
> > >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >>
> > >> ...now, now Max ...we'd all like to accept your claim to the
> > >> gerontological gold here ...but that would make you 
> something like
> > 80+
> > >
> > >> and writing code before the first computer was built ...besides
> > which,
> > >
> > >> only Charlotte is that old :)
> > >>
> > >> William
> > >>
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> > >> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > >> Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2007 4:38 AM
> > >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Elvis?  Crikey, I was coding before he was born!
> > >>> How about the Andrews Sisters (WW2 singers from 
> Minnesota)- world
> > >> famous
> > >>> though.
> > >>>
> > >>> Max
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > >>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf 
> Of William
> > >> Hindman
> > >>> Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 10:57 PM
> > >>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > >>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
> > >>>
> > >>> I use a 4gig stick with a u3 encryption program, wear it
> > on a chain
> > >> around
> > >>> my neck. I seldom take a laptop to client offices 
> anymore because
> > >>> most everything I need is on the stick ...just plug it
> > in, log-on,
> > >>> sync,
> > >> and go
> > >>> to work ...I use a similar password algorithm but based
> > on an Elvis
> > >> tune
> > >>> ...shows my age, it does :)
> > >>>
> > >>> William
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> AccessD mailing list
> > >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Nov 21 14:17:33 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:17:33 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
In-Reply-To: <000401c82c76$c1682490$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <20071121201759.436A61CD57@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>

How about www.databaseadvisors.com ?

It is where you work!!!  ;-)

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
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> You could try putting "NONE" in there too.  Might just be looking for
> a non-blank value.  Yes, it's dumb that it requires it, but you have
> to give it what it wants.

=====Tried that. 

Susan H. 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 15:04:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:04:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005
Message-ID: <00b401c82c82$29e9d4e0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have a lot of queries where I have to look for multiple values.  I have
been using an IN() clause but I am advised that is very slow.  OTOH I built
two queries that use an IN() in one query and a bunch of ORs in the other
and over a 56 million record table they were both so fast I couldn't see the
difference (Indexed column, containing values 1-9 and A-T (under 2 sec)

Any comments?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 15:07:06 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:07:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack Subscribers
References: <20071121201759.436A61CD57@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c82c82$7ba30130$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, I hadn't thought about that either. :) 

Susan H. 

> How about www.databaseadvisors.com ?
> 
> It is where you work!!!  ;-)



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 15:13:52 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 21:13:52 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <008301c82945$db6d1320$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
UK news site.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Nov 21 16:53:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:53:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <008301c82945$db6d1320$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <00bb01c82c91$6257f230$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Max,

The problem is rampant.  In the US it is another case every week.  Laptops
stolen, backups lost on the way to the archive, unencrypted data on servers.
This stuff isn't rocket science, I mean if I can do it anyone can. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
UK news site.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Nov 21 16:58:00 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:58:00 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <008301c82945$db6d1320$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<007401c82c83$6bad0c20$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <00b001c82c91$f74a4960$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Heard that on the news today.  Apparently big embarrassment for the
government.  Big enough to bring it down?  Any evidence yet that the data's
been used? 

Rocky'



 	
	

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Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
UK news site.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 17:10:06 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:10:06 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c82c91$6257f230$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009c01c82c93$a952ce10$8119fea9@LTVM>

Indeed! It is easy and there are so many tools available - free if our
Government is strapped for cash!

But this represents HALF of our population.
It now comes out that "It was too costly to separate the required/requested
information" (Names and Insurance Nos.) so Her Majesty's Inspector of Taxes
just dumped the lot onto 2xCDs and popped them in the postal system.  Bank
Details, Personal data, the lot!  Not even encrypted!
A simple query in Access would have done the job, followed by an encryption
routine.

Goodness me.  I am just so astounded by the incompetence of it all.
We all wait now to see how many Identify Fraud cases pop up because of this.
How many foreign illegal immigrants gain access by impersonation, etc.

Solution: Make it compulsory for all IT staff in Government to sign up to
databaseadvisors!

Max

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Max,

The problem is rampant.  In the US it is another case every week.  Laptops
stolen, backups lost on the way to the archive, unencrypted data on servers.
This stuff isn't rocket science, I mean if I can do it anyone can. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
UK news site.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Nov 21 17:11:23 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 23:11:23 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup
In-Reply-To: <00b001c82c91$f74a4960$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <009d01c82c93$d7f6ceb0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Not so far, but believe me, we are all waiting for the first case to
surface.

Max
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Heard that on the news today.  Apparently big embarrassment for the
government.  Big enough to bring it down?  Any evidence yet that the data's
been used? 

Rocky'



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Encrypting your stuff was offsite backup

Hi John (Colby)

No doubt you have heard of the disgraceful loss of data by our Government
who *lost* 25 million (yes, MILLION) personal details on two CDs.
Not only that, but they were UNENCRYPTED.
Obviously never heard of TrueCrypt.
Perhaps you should offer your services as IT Consultant to the British
Government.  God knows, they need some help!

Max
P.s To check the stories goto www.bbc.co.uk/news or www.itv.com/news or any
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From fahooper at trapo.com  Wed Nov 21 21:24:34 2007
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 22:24:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005
In-Reply-To: <00b401c82c82$29e9d4e0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005301c82cb7$34918b10$8151dd48@fredxp>

John,

I think that an IN() and a bunch of ORs are roughly equivalent.

Try selecting the values you want in a sub query and (inner) joining it to
the table you want to limit. E.g.

select foo.*
from foo 
inner join (select value_field from foo2 where choice = 'Y') lim
on foo.value_field = lim.value_field

If you use the limitation in more than one place, or just for readability,
try the With clause. E.g.

With limiting_values 
as (select value_field from foo2 where choice = 'Y')
select foo.*
from foo 
inner join limiting_values lim
on foo.value_field = lim.value_field

If you check the cost of both approaches I think you'll find that the IN/OR
approach causes a full table scan while limiting through a join avoids it.

I frequently do this when I've set the foo2.choice field using code and use
the values to limit another larger table. (Note: foo2 holds all possible
selection values for the value_field.)

Hope this helps,
Fred

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:05 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005

I have a lot of queries where I have to look for multiple values.  I have
been using an IN() clause but I am advised that is very slow.  OTOH I built
two queries that use an IN() in one query and a bunch of ORs in the other
and over a 56 million record table they were both so fast I couldn't see the
difference (Indexed column, containing values 1-9 and A-T (under 2 sec)

Any comments?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 22 01:34:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:34:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005
In-Reply-To: <005301c82cb7$34918b10$8151dd48@fredxp>
References: <00b401c82c82$29e9d4e0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<005301c82cb7$34918b10$8151dd48@fredxp>
Message-ID: <00ca01c82cda$0e4429e0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Thanks Fred.  I have situations where for example 

Where Income IN('A','B','C','D','E')

The values in the field range from 0-9 and A-T.  The obvious solution is to
"prep" the field by changing the 'A' to 10, 'B' to 11 etc and then doing a
numeric comparison.  Unfortunately the data owner needs to come on board and
do a conversion as well so that they can understand and ask for 11 when they
were used to asking for 'A'.

In any case, this is a common occurrence in my data.  The values are always
characters (ascii) as opposed to numbers, even when they are numeric
characters.  This is that huge table I deal with where there are 600 fields
of data, pulled in from text files.  I have other fields like (boat) hull
type where the values are 'A' (aluminum), 'R' (Rubber), 'F' (Fiberglass) etc
so there is just no getting around some sort of IN() or =X or =Y kind of
solution.

I am doing the subquery route however.  Today I had a case where I had to do
an Income IN('A','B'..'T') and then AND that with another field where there
were ORs - PresenceOfChildren11-13 IN('1','3','5','7') OR
PresenceOfChildren16-17 IN('1','3','5','7').  It just SEEMS to make sense to
do the Income IN() as a separate query and then inner join to the
PresenceOfChildren query to create the AND effect.

Whoever created the data obviously didn't understand databases and how to
optimize the data for the ability to retrieve results efficiently.  It's
just a PITA, the table is huge (600 fields wide) and over 50 million records
to sort through.  "Prepping" the table over time (one field at a time as it
is called for) will work and I will probably do that.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Fred Hooper
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 10:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005

John,

I think that an IN() and a bunch of ORs are roughly equivalent.

Try selecting the values you want in a sub query and (inner) joining it to
the table you want to limit. E.g.

select foo.*
from foo
inner join (select value_field from foo2 where choice = 'Y') lim on
foo.value_field = lim.value_field

If you use the limitation in more than one place, or just for readability,
try the With clause. E.g.

With limiting_values
as (select value_field from foo2 where choice = 'Y') select foo.* from foo
inner join limiting_values lim on foo.value_field = lim.value_field

If you check the cost of both approaches I think you'll find that the IN/OR
approach causes a full table scan while limiting through a join avoids it.

I frequently do this when I've set the foo2.choice field using code and use
the values to limit another larger table. (Note: foo2 holds all possible
selection values for the value_field.)

Hope this helps,
Fred

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 4:05 PM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Optimizing queries with in() - SQL Server 2005

I have a lot of queries where I have to look for multiple values.  I have
been using an IN() clause but I am advised that is very slow.  OTOH I built
two queries that use an IN() in one query and a bunch of ORs in the other
and over a 56 million record table they were both so fast I couldn't see the
difference (Indexed column, containing values 1-9 and A-T (under 2 sec)

Any comments?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Thu Nov 22 13:54:27 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:54:27 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

 
I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
Thanksgiving!



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 14:00:11 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:00:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. ;)

Susan H.


>
> I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
> grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
> some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
> know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
> needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all 
> of
> you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
> accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
> individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
> Thanksgiving!
>
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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Thu Nov 22 14:02:35 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 12:02:35 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local><000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
	<000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c82d42$a06e3e10$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

Susan, if you could see my bookshelf, you'll know you're at the top of the
list.... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. ;)

Susan H.


>
> I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely 
> grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, 
> through some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too 
> confused to even know what to ask...someone else in this group has 
> asked the question I needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all 
> the answers. I owe all of you a debt of gratitude and this is the best 
> I can do. Everything I have accomplished professionally, I owe to each 
> and every one of you. You are, individually and collectively, amazing. 
> Thank you for being here...Happy Thanksgiving!
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 14:10:57 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:10:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
	<000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920711221210j42883708q91f6aff6ebbc9d60@mail.gmail.com>

On Nov 22, 2007 3:00 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. ;)

Ain't that the truth!!!

Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving!!!!

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 14:39:40 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 15:39:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local><000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1><000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<000001c82d42$a06e3e10$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <002401c82d47$dbfbf670$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Oh my -- <tearing up> -- what a nice thing to say! Thank you so much!

Susan H.


> Susan, if you could see my bookshelf, you'll know you're at the top of the
> list....
>
>
> If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. ;)
>



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 15:00:42 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:00:42 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920711221210j42883708q91f6aff6ebbc9d60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005101c82d4a$bf3d8910$8119fea9@LTVM>

And it isn't always directly related to Access. Some of the other tips are
great - a wide range of experience from a wide range of people.
Always good tips and good references to information.  Some may be OT in this
regard but extremely useful none the less.

Thanks to all.

Max
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 8:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

On Nov 22, 2007 3:00 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved. 
> ;)

Ain't that the truth!!!

Hope you all have a great Thanksgiving!!!!

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Nov 22 15:53:16 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:53:16 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <200711222153.lAMLrMSV009754@databaseadvisors.com>

Here here 

And so say all of us

My wife even knows some of regular names on this list - And she doesn't even
have 'pewta' skills - I often talk about the victories that come from this list
with her
She'll see me smacking the monitor about the 'ears' in frustration and will say
- "Send an email to your nerd mates"
(That's her very sincere - tongue in cheek term for the team - Knowing how much
I truly rely on you guys)
Here in Oz we don't do thanksgiving - But I am very very grateful to this list
and the 'nerds' on it - And to the friendships that have come from it
Many many thanks

DD

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Friday, 23 November 2007 6:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

 
I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
Thanksgiving!

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From robert at servicexp.com  Thu Nov 22 19:20:06 2007
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:20:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <47462AC6.8050602@servicexp.com>

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Here Here, I raise my mug of hot coffee to every one in this group. This
list is one of the most civilized and professional list I have the great
privilege of reading, the wealth of talent and expertize is truly amazing.

We indeed have much to be thankful for..


WBR

 ~Robert

Dian wrote:
>  
> I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
> grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
> some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
> know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
> needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
> you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
> accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
> individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
> Thanksgiving!
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Nov 22 19:50:25 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:50:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Thanks for expressing it so well.  The strange thing is that we all feel the
same way.  Individually we each know a little or a lot, but together we are
more than the sum.  

Happy Thanksgiving to all of the Americans, and the same feelings go out to
the other list members.  Thanks for being there, my life would be very
different without you guys and gals.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com


PS I have no idea what the company books are like at this instant, but we
are a not for profit company, incorporated in Delaware, and we do take
donations to pay the bills.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/donations.asp

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dian
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

 
I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
Thanksgiving!

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Thu Nov 22 22:35:41 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:35:41 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <000a01c82d8a$4ef6c0f0$6401a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Couldn't agree more with the comments made. A couple of times I have had to add 'URGENT' in the subject header because I needed some help asap and the list has never let me down.

Happy thanksgiving to those of you who celebrate it,

Kath
______________________________________
Kath Pelletti


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 23 01:00:25 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:00:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <s74688ac.034@cactus.dk>

Hi Dian

On this side of the ocean Thanksgiving doesn't mean much more than the word itself.
But your writing explains why it has a deeper meaning for you - we should not take everything for granted.
Thank you for the kind words!

/gustav

>>> nd500_lo at charter.net 22-11-2007 20:54 >>>
 
I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years, through
some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to even
know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe all of
you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I have
accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You are,
individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being here...Happy
Thanksgiving!




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 23 02:07:41 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:07:41 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Message-ID: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Group,

Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)

I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate 
date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets 
of dates like so:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"

This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records 
that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with 
putting the two fields together into a single date/time.  Here is my code:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" & 
CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"

An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.

The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query 
expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a 
problem when I add the times.

How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for comparison?




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 02:19:53 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:19:53 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

Hi David
Well before you think about that how about this quick solution

> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])

OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])

ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.

Just a quick thought on my way out.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> David Emerson
> Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> 
> 
> Group,
> 
> Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
> 
> I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate 
> date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets 
> of dates like so:
> 
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
> 
> This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records 
> that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with 
> putting the two fields together into a single date/time.  
> Here is my code:
> 
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" & 
> CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
> 
> An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
> 
> The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query 
> expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a 
> problem when I add the times.
> 
> How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for 
> comparison?
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 23 02:42:01 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:42:01 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <20071123083944.CSVU9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Andy,

I have simplified the problem.  Ultimately I need to compare two sets 
of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and 
time, and a second date and time.

I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end 
date and time as well.  I would be interested though in finding out 
how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.

David

At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>Hi David
>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>
>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>
>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>
>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > David Emerson
> > Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> >
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
> >
> > I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
> > date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets
> > of dates like so:
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
> >
> > This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records
> > that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with
> > putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
> > Here is my code:
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
> > CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
> >
> > An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
> >
> > The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
> > expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
> > problem when I add the times.
> >
> > How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
> > comparison?
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 03:50:36 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:50:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Message-ID: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Well this principel works

(from Immediate window)

x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
31/12/07 11:56:00


--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Date: 23/11/07 08:42


Thanks Andy,

I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
time, and a second date and time.

I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.

David

At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>Hi David
>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>
>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>
>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>
>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>
>-- Andy Lacey
>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > David Emerson
> > Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> >
> >
> > Group,
> >
> > Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
> >
> > I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
> > date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
> > of dates like so:
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
> >
> > This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
> > that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
> > putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
> > Here is my code:
> >
> > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
> > CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
> >
> > An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
> >
> > The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
> > expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
> > problem when I add the times.
> >
> > How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
> > comparison?
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 07:53:08 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:53:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123083944.CSVU9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
	<20071123083944.CSVU9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711230553l14c5584aqa04f121cccfe48cf@mail.gmail.com>

I think that you can do this by doing a DateAdd() to the date field itself,
since without a time specified it will default to midnight. Therefore a
DateAdd() using the number of minutes indicated by the time ought to produce
a genuine datetime value.

Arthur

On 11/23/07, David Emerson <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
> I have simplified the problem.  Ultimately I need to compare two sets
> of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
> time, and a second date and time.
>
> I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
> date and time as well.  I would be interested though in finding out
> how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
> David
>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 07:59:56 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:59:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
References: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz><018701c82da9$a03db260$3183d355@minster33c3r25><20071123083944.CSVU9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<29f585dd0711230553l14c5584aqa04f121cccfe48cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005401c82dd9$23b3d3c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If the users insist on entering the date and time in two different fields, 
which I know, is totally common -- entering them together is a bit 
unnatural -- but this might be one of the few times when it's easier to 
break the rules of normalization and create a composite field in the 
underlying table that combines than two than to try to work with them 
separately. Just a thought.

Susan H.


>I think that you can do this by doing a DateAdd() to the date field itself,
> since without a time specified it will default to midnight. Therefore a
> DateAdd() using the number of minutes indicated by the time ought to 
> produce
> a genuine datetime value.



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 23 09:54:59 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:54:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W17B520C608125DE14B9061D27A0@phx.gbl>


I had a problem last week using FORMAT when building dates from text.  It displayed the dates correct, but sorted them as text, and filtered them that way...I could even use DATEPART, but they still were not dates...just text.

I ended up using CDATE to get what I needed.

Just food for thought.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:50:36 +0100
> From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
> Well this principel works
>
> (from Immediate window)
>
> x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
> ? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
> 31/12/07 11:56:00
>
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> 
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> 
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> Date: 23/11/07 08:42
>
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
> I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
> of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
> time, and a second date and time.
>
> I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
> date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
> how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
> David
>
> At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>>Hi David
>>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>>
>>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>>
>>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>>
>>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> David Emerson
>>> Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>>>
>>>
>>> Group,
>>>
>>> Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
>>>
>>> I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
>>> date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
>>> of dates like so:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
>>>
>>> This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
>>> that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
>>> putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
>>> Here is my code:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
>>> CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
>>>
>>> An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
>>> expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
>>> problem when I add the times.
>>>
>>> How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 10:04:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:04:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<BAY127-W17B520C608125DE14B9061D27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009e01c82dea$8bfcd920$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

All the results of Format() are strings.

Susan H.



I had a problem last week using FORMAT when building dates from text.  It 
displayed the dates correct, but sorted them as text, and filtered them that 
way...I could even use DATEPART, but they still were not dates...just text.

I ended up using CDATE to get what I needed.

Just food for thought.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:50:36 +0100
> From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
> Well this principel works
>
> (from Immediate window)
>
> x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
> ? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
> 31/12/07 11:56:00
>
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> Date: 23/11/07 08:42
>
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
> I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
> of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
> time, and a second date and time.
>
> I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
> date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
> how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
> David
>
> At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>>Hi David
>>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>>
>>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>>
>>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>>
>>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> David Emerson
>>> Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>>>
>>>
>>> Group,
>>>
>>> Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
>>>
>>> I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
>>> date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
>>> of dates like so:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
>>>
>>> This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
>>> that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
>>> putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
>>> Here is my code:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
>>> CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
>>>
>>> An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
>>> expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
>>> problem when I add the times.
>>>
>>> How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov 23 10:16:08 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:16:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
In-Reply-To: <s74467a6.009@cactus.dk>
References: <s74467a6.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000b01c82dec$28b34c30$8abea8c0@XPS>

Gustav,

  Thanks for posting that.

<<On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences.
>>

  Maybe I did, but I don't have anything like this when connecting to the
virtual server console with net meeting.   

  I didn't set this virtual server up and was told by the company that did
that it was a limitation of the video driver.  When I checked into this, I
found numerous articles that supported this, so I didn't bother to check
into it further.

  What happens is that when connecting with Net Meeting, even though a
different resolution is selected on the desktop, it still draws it as 640 x
480 in the Net Meeting window. The window itself however is correctly sized
for the given resolution.   If I remote Desktop in, I have no problem in
getting any resolution I want.  Also changing the resolution while Net
Meeting is active causes all the text to disappear on the screen.  The only
way to get it back is to quit and reconnect.

  It may be a combination of the driver and Net Meeting itself, but since I
will only be dealing with this server for another month or two, I didn't
want to spend a lot of time on it.

  I suppose though that at some point I'll need to start playing around with
Vmware myself.  I've got Microsoft's virtual PC as well.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

Hi Jim

Seems like you have missed something! Just mark View, Autofit Window:

On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences. 

Autofit Preferences 
Use Autofit preferences to control how the console behaves when Autofit is
active. Select Autofit window to have VMware Server change the console
window size to match the guest operating system screen resolution. This is
the same as choosing View > Autofit Window. Select Autofit guest to have
VMware Server change the guest operating system display resolution to match
the console window size. This is the same as choosing View > Autofit Guest. 

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 21-11-2007 17:05 >>>
John,

  This is one of the major drawbacks with virtualizing that I've found.
Your limited to VGA resolution (640x480) if you connect to the console.
It's a royal pain when you work with it.

  One workaround for that is if you don't need the console, you can RDP in. 



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 23 10:19:37 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 08:19:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
Message-ID: <001901c82dec$a4910b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Nov 23 09:30:33 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 16:30:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Message-ID: <20071123163038.4FFC44C637@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi Mark
I wasn't implying that David should use Format, just using it to demonstrate
that the 1st bit (DateValue & TimeValue) worked ok.
--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
Date: 23/11/07 15:58



I had a problem last week using FORMAT when building dates from text. It
displayed the dates correct, but sorted them as text, and filtered them that
way...I could even use DATEPART, but they still were not dates...just text.

I ended up using CDATE to get what I needed.

Just food for thought.

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte


> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:50:36 +0100
> From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
> Well this principel works
>
> (from Immediate window)
>
> x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
> ? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
> 31/12/07 11:56:00
>
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> Date: 23/11/07 08:42
>
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
> I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
> of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
> time, and a second date and time.
>
> I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
> date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
> how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
> David
>
> At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
>>Hi David
>>Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
>>
>>OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
>>EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
>>
>>ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
>>
>>Just a quick thought on my way out.
>>
>>-- Andy Lacey
>>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
>>> David Emerson
>>> Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
>>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>>> Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>>>
>>>
>>> Group,
>>>
>>> Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
>>>
>>> I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
>>> date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
>>> of dates like so:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
>>>
>>> This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
>>> that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
>>> putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
>>> Here is my code:
>>>
>>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>>> "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
>>> CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
>>>
>>> An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>>> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
>>>
>>> The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
>>> expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
>>> problem when I add the times.
>>>
>>> How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>>
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>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 11:25:55 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:25:55 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <001901c82dec$a4910b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003c01c82df5$e8dc0570$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Rocky,
Try this:


  Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application, myItem As Outlook.MailItem
  Dim strDataFileName As String, strEmailTo As String
  Set myolApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
  Set myItem = myolApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)

  strEmailTo = "Rocky at databaseadvisors.com"
  strDataFileName = "c:\filename.txt"
  myItem.HTMLBody =
fFileContents("c:\Templates\General\ExplainSecureMailings.html")
  myItem.To = strEmailTo
  myItem.Subject = "Data Mailings"
  myItem.Attachments.Add strDataFileName
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file2.txt"
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file3.txt"  
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file4.txt"
  myItem.Send

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 23 11:32:47 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:32:47 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <003c01c82df5$e8dc0570$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001901c82dec$a4910b80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<003c01c82df5$e8dc0570$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <003401c82df6$dd86e8b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Max:

That'll work as long as Outlook is loaded on the target machine.  Which I
know it isn't.  Because I had similar code in the current app but had to
disable it because of that very problem.  However,  now the client says
assume Outlook.  So that's what I'll do.  

Your code will work just fine.  Thanks.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Hi Rocky,
Try this:


  Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application, myItem As Outlook.MailItem
  Dim strDataFileName As String, strEmailTo As String
  Set myolApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
  Set myItem = myolApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)

  strEmailTo = "Rocky at databaseadvisors.com"
  strDataFileName = "c:\filename.txt"
  myItem.HTMLBody =
fFileContents("c:\Templates\General\ExplainSecureMailings.html")
  myItem.To = strEmailTo
  myItem.Subject = "Data Mailings"
  myItem.Attachments.Add strDataFileName
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file2.txt"
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file3.txt"  
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file4.txt"
  myItem.Send

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 23 11:32:36 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 18:32:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)
Message-ID: <s7471ce6.052@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Net meeting? I don't even know what that is. Also, my observations are for VMware Server only, I have never used MS Virtual PC if that is what you are referring to.

With VMware 1.x you have a dedicated remote console client as a Windows app. 
With VMware 2.x (still in beta) you run an Apache/Tomcat on the server and use IE with a plug-in as the client which is able to run a virtual server screen in clean full-screen.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 23-11-2007 17:16 >>>
Gustav,

  Thanks for posting that.

<<On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences.
>>

  Maybe I did, but I don't have anything like this when connecting to the
virtual server console with net meeting.   

  I didn't set this virtual server up and was told by the company that did
that it was a limitation of the video driver.  When I checked into this, I
found numerous articles that supported this, so I didn't bother to check
into it further.

  What happens is that when connecting with Net Meeting, even though a
different resolution is selected on the desktop, it still draws it as 640 x
480 in the Net Meeting window. The window itself however is correctly sized
for the given resolution.   If I remote Desktop in, I have no problem in
getting any resolution I want.  Also changing the resolution while Net
Meeting is active causes all the text to disappear on the screen.  The only
way to get it back is to quit and reconnect.

  It may be a combination of the driver and Net Meeting itself, but since I
will only be dealing with this server for another month or two, I didn't
want to spend a lot of time on it.

  I suppose though that at some point I'll need to start playing around with
Vmware myself.  I've got Microsoft's virtual PC as well.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:15 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Virtual Server (was: A2K7 Navigation Pane)

Hi Jim

Seems like you have missed something! Just mark View, Autofit Window:

On the Display tab, you can configure autofit and full-screen preferences. 

Autofit Preferences 
Use Autofit preferences to control how the console behaves when Autofit is
active. Select Autofit window to have VMware Server change the console
window size to match the guest operating system screen resolution. This is
the same as choosing View > Autofit Window. Select Autofit guest to have
VMware Server change the guest operating system display resolution to match
the console window size. This is the same as choosing View > Autofit Guest. 

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 21-11-2007 17:05 >>>
John,

  This is one of the major drawbacks with virtualizing that I've found.
Your limited to VGA resolution (640x480) if you connect to the console.
It's a royal pain when you work with it.

  One workaround for that is if you don't need the console, you can RDP in. 





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 11:51:28 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:51:28 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <003401c82df6$dd86e8b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <005c01c82df9$7b31d870$8119fea9@LTVM>

Would you like a CDO example?

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 5:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Max:

That'll work as long as Outlook is loaded on the target machine.  Which I
know it isn't.  Because I had similar code in the current app but had to
disable it because of that very problem.  However,  now the client says
assume Outlook.  So that's what I'll do.  

Your code will work just fine.  Thanks.

Rocky





 	
	

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Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Hi Rocky,
Try this:


  Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application, myItem As Outlook.MailItem
  Dim strDataFileName As String, strEmailTo As String
  Set myolApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
  Set myItem = myolApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)

  strEmailTo = "Rocky at databaseadvisors.com"
  strDataFileName = "c:\filename.txt"
  myItem.HTMLBody =
fFileContents("c:\Templates\General\ExplainSecureMailings.html")
  myItem.To = strEmailTo
  myItem.Subject = "Data Mailings"
  myItem.Attachments.Add strDataFileName
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file2.txt"
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file3.txt"  
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file4.txt"
  myItem.Send

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Nov 23 12:13:01 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:13:01 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <005c01c82df9$7b31d870$8119fea9@LTVM>
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	<005c01c82df9$7b31d870$8119fea9@LTVM>
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Thanks, Max.  Working the first solution at the moment.   If that works I'll
stop the clock, and go there to see if it works at their site.  

What's CDO?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Would you like a CDO example?

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 5:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Max:

That'll work as long as Outlook is loaded on the target machine.  Which I
know it isn't.  Because I had similar code in the current app but had to
disable it because of that very problem.  However,  now the client says
assume Outlook.  So that's what I'll do.  

Your code will work just fine.  Thanks.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 9:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Hi Rocky,
Try this:


  Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application, myItem As Outlook.MailItem
  Dim strDataFileName As String, strEmailTo As String
  Set myolApp = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
  Set myItem = myolApp.CreateItem(olMailItem)

  strEmailTo = "Rocky at databaseadvisors.com"
  strDataFileName = "c:\filename.txt"
  myItem.HTMLBody =
fFileContents("c:\Templates\General\ExplainSecureMailings.html")
  myItem.To = strEmailTo
  myItem.Subject = "Data Mailings"
  myItem.Attachments.Add strDataFileName
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file2.txt"
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file3.txt"  
  myItem.Attachments.Add "c:\file4.txt"
  myItem.Send

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 4:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments


 
Dear List:
 
Can you use SendObject to generate an email with two attachments?  If not,
in the absence of being assured that outlook is on every machine (which it
ain't in this case), is there some other simple global method to generate an
email with a couple of attachments?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Nov 23 14:05:44 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:05:44 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks to everyone who replied.

The final solution was twofold.  First change the query:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE (CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))>= 
CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]))) " & _
"And CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))<= 
CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + 
TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]))"


Secondly, tidy up the data to remove invalid entries in the time field.

David

At 23/11/2007, you wrote:
>Well this principel works
>
>(from Immediate window)
>
>x=datevalue("31/12/07") + timevalue("11:56:00")
>? format(x,"dd/mm/yy hh:nn:ss")
>31/12/07 11:56:00
>
>
>--
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>http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
>--------- Original Message --------
>From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>Date: 23/11/07 08:42
>
>
>Thanks Andy,
>
>I have simplified the problem. Ultimately I need to compare two sets
>of dates and times to get all records that fall between one date and
>time, and a second date and time.
>
>I could use your suggestion and do similar comparisons with the end
>date and time as well. I would be interested though in finding out
>how to create a full date/time from two separate fields.
>
>David
>
>At 23/11/2007, Andy Lacy wrote:
> >Hi David
> >Well before you think about that how about this quick solution
> >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date>[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])
> >
> >OR (EntryLogSets.Date=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] AND
> >EntryLogSets.Time>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartTime])
> >
> >ie the time only needs comparing if the dates are equal.
> >
> >Just a quick thought on my way out.
> >
> >-- Andy Lacey
> >http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> > > David Emerson
> > > Sent: 23 November 2007 08:08
> > > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
> > >
> > >
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
> > >
> > > I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
> > > date/time fields. Currently there is a query that compares two sets
> > > of dates like so:
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > > "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
> > >
> > > This works. However, I need to change it so that it gets records
> > > that are after a certain date AND TIME. I am having problems with
> > > putting the two fields together into a single date/time.
> > > Here is my code:
> > >
> > > DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
> > > ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> > > "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
> > > ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> > > "WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date & ' ' & EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
> > > CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
> > >
> > > An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
> > > [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
> > >
> > > The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
> > > expression. The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
> > > problem when I add the times.
> > >
> > > How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for
> > > comparison?
> > >
> > >
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 23 14:19:18 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:19:18 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  Replace text in memo field
In-Reply-To: <20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W27E1179300798A2E240E88D27A0@phx.gbl>


Hello All,

I have replaced text in a text file before...but If I already have the data in a table...and there is a 'phrase'/string I need to remove from the middle of a memo field...what is the best approach?

Thanks,

Mark A. Matte
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Nov 23 14:25:49 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:25:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W27E1179300798A2E240E88D27A0@phx.gbl>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<BAY127-W27E1179300798A2E240E88D27A0@phx.gbl>
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Anything wrong with Replace( [columnName], "searchTarget", "replaceString"
)?

On 11/23/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I have replaced text in a text file before...but If I already have the
> data in a table...and there is a 'phrase'/string I need to remove from the
> middle of a memo field...what is the best approach?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark A. Matte


From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Nov 23 14:48:04 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:48:04 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <47473C84.9000601@mvps.org>

David,

If the [Date] and [Time] fields in the table are a Date/Time data type, 
and if the criteria controls on the form are formatted with a valid date 
and/or time format, then I don't think you would need the CDate and 
DateValue functions as you have used them.  I would expect (without 
having tested) that this would work:
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date + EntryLogSets.Time) Between (#" & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & "# + #" &
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime] & "#) And (#" & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate] "# + #" & [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime] & "#)"

I always wrap date and time criteria in CLng or CDbl to handle 
international problem, so I would do it like this:
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date + EntryLogSets.Time) Between (" & 
CLng([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & ") And (" & 
CLng([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]) 
& ")"

Regards
Steve

David Emerson wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who replied.
> 
> The final solution was twofold.  First change the query:
> 
> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
> "WHERE (CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
> TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))>= 
> CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
> TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]))) " & _
> "And CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
> TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))<= 
> CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + 
> TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]))"
> 
> 
> Secondly, tidy up the data to remove invalid entries in the time field.
> 


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 23 14:50:44 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:50:44 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711231225l73608035l1a23df886c3cfb6b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<BAY127-W27E1179300798A2E240E88D27A0@phx.gbl> 
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Message-ID: <BAY127-W3223C84E478526506A032AD27A0@phx.gbl>


I guessed it was something simple...I just never actually did this to data already in a table...it was always external files using vba.

Thanks,


Mark A. Matte


> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:25:49 -0500
> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
>
> Anything wrong with Replace( [columnName], "searchTarget", "replaceString"
> )?
>
> On 11/23/07, Mark A Matte  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I have replaced text in a text file before...but If I already have the
>> data in a table...and there is a 'phrase'/string I need to remove from the
>> middle of a memo field...what is the best approach?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark A. Matte
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 23 14:56:38 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:56:38 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W3223C84E478526506A032AD27A0@phx.gbl>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<BAY127-W27E1179300798A2E240E88D27A0@phx.gbl> 
	<29f585dd0711231225l73608035l1a23df886c3cfb6b@mail.gmail.com> 
	<BAY127-W3223C84E478526506A032AD27A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W9CD25CE0076D2EE53CE59D27A0@phx.gbl>


Ok...that worked on XP...but it failed on A2k...is there a different function if I had to do this on a box with A2k?

Thanks,

Mark

> From: markamatte at hotmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 20:50:44 +0000
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
>
>
> I guessed it was something simple...I just never actually did this to data already in a table...it was always external files using vba.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 15:25:49 -0500
>> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replace text in memo field
>>
>> Anything wrong with Replace( [columnName], "searchTarget", "replaceString"
>> )?
>>
>> On 11/23/07, Mark A Matte wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I have replaced text in a text file before...but If I already have the
>>> data in a table...and there is a 'phrase'/string I need to remove from the
>>> middle of a memo field...what is the best approach?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mark A. Matte
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 05:40:10 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:40:10 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <003f01c82dfc$7c779780$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <006f01c82e8e$c5a7c780$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Rocky,
This should get you started with CDO.  Put your own parameters in - fairly
obvious where.
Max

Function RockyCDOTest()
  On Error GoTo errhandler
  Const conErr1 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 550 "
  Const conErr2 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 501 bad address syntax: <"
  Const ConErrX As String = "The transport failed to connect to the server"
  Const cdoReferenceTypeName = 1
  Dim strUserName As String, strPwd As String, strSMTPServer  As String,
strErr As String
  Dim objCDO, objBP
  Set objCDO = CreateObject("CDO.Message")    ' Create the message object.
  'Set objCDO = server.CreateObject("CDO.Message") ' alternative for
exchange I believe! Not tested
  objCDO.mimeformatted = True

  ' Sender/Email Contents/Details
  objCDO.from = "Rocky<rocky at rockydomain.com>"
  objCDO.To = "somebody at gmail.com"
  objCDO.cc = "person1 at domain.com;person2 at domain.com"
  objCDO.bcc = "person3 at domain.com"
  objCDO.Subject = "Testing 123"

  'body can be a string, or read from a file and can be text or html (Don't
use both)
  objCDO.HTMLBody = fFileContents("C:\body.html") ' or "C:\body.txt" '
create a test file

  ' Attachments
  objCDO.addattachment "C:\Att1.txt" ' create a test file
  objCDO.addattachment "C:\Att2.jpg" ' create a test file

  ' User SMTP login details
  strSMTPServer = "mail.rockydomain.org" ' send via this domain - can be IP
Address (sometimes this is smtp.mydomain.org)
  strUserName = "rocky" ' your user login name
  strPwd = "itsrockyletmein" ' your user login password

  ' SMTP Configuration Details
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendusing") = 2
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpserver") = strSMTPServer
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpauthenticate") = 1
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendusername") = strUserName
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendpassword") = strPwd
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpserverport") = 25 'normally 25  but can be anything, try 587, or
465 or check with your ISP.
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpusessl") = False
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpconnectiontimeout") = 60 ' before timing out
  objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Update    ' Update configuration
  'MsgBox objCDO.GetStream.ReadText  ' Use to show the message.
  objCDO.Send  ' Send the message.
exithere:
  Exit Function
errhandler:
  strErr = "pfEmailByCDO - Send Errors " & Err.Description
  If InStr(strErr, ConErrX) > 0 Then
    strErr = strErr & " No Email Sent"
  End If
  MsgBox strErr
  GoTo exithere
End Function

Private Function fFileContents(strFilePath As String) As String
  ' Set a Reference for FileSystemObjects in Office 11.
  'These constants are defined to make the code more readable
  Const ForReading = 1, ForWriting = 2, ForAppending = 8
  Dim fso, f
  Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
  'Open the file for reading
  Set f = fso.OpenTextFile(strFilePath, ForReading)
  'The ReadAll method reads the entire file
  fFileContents = f.ReadAll
  f.Close    'Close the file
  Set f = Nothing
  Set fso = Nothing
End Function 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 6:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Thanks, Max.  Working the first solution at the moment.   If that works I'll
stop the clock, and go there to see if it works at their site.  

What's CDO?

Rocky




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 06:46:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:46:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
Message-ID: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 07:51:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:51:48 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <006f01c82e8e$c5a7c780$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <003f01c82dfc$7c779780$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<006f01c82e8e$c5a7c780$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001501c82ea1$28bc98c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Max:

Thanks for the code. It begins to look familiar.  I think I was going to go
this route once but the users would have had trouble configuring it because
they'd need to know their own  smtp server string and stuff like that.   

This will work for the instant application because it's only one site.
However, I'd have to create a form to allow each user to configure to their
won email and password.  (At this point, too, the client is looking for
cheap solutions). But the outlook stuff you sent earlier worked a treat.
Just too a couple minutes to mod for their site and walla! email with pdf
attachments.

Which attachments, BTW, I implemented in a hurry using the Lebans stuff,
thanks again to the list.

Thanks again to the list.

Did I mention how thankful I am to the list?

Best,

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Hi Rocky,
This should get you started with CDO.  Put your own parameters in - fairly
obvious where.
Max

Function RockyCDOTest()
  On Error GoTo errhandler
  Const conErr1 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 550 "
  Const conErr2 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 501 bad address syntax: <"
  Const ConErrX As String = "The transport failed to connect to the server"
  Const cdoReferenceTypeName = 1
  Dim strUserName As String, strPwd As String, strSMTPServer  As String,
strErr As String
  Dim objCDO, objBP
  Set objCDO = CreateObject("CDO.Message")    ' Create the message object.
  'Set objCDO = server.CreateObject("CDO.Message") ' alternative for
exchange I believe! Not tested
  objCDO.mimeformatted = True

  ' Sender/Email Contents/Details
  objCDO.from = "Rocky<rocky at rockydomain.com>"
  objCDO.To = "somebody at gmail.com"
  objCDO.cc = "person1 at domain.com;person2 at domain.com"
  objCDO.bcc = "person3 at domain.com"
  objCDO.Subject = "Testing 123"

  'body can be a string, or read from a file and can be text or html (Don't
use both)
  objCDO.HTMLBody = fFileContents("C:\body.html") ' or "C:\body.txt" '
create a test file

  ' Attachments
  objCDO.addattachment "C:\Att1.txt" ' create a test file
  objCDO.addattachment "C:\Att2.jpg" ' create a test file

  ' User SMTP login details
  strSMTPServer = "mail.rockydomain.org" ' send via this domain - can be IP
Address (sometimes this is smtp.mydomain.org)
  strUserName = "rocky" ' your user login name
  strPwd = "itsrockyletmein" ' your user login password

  ' SMTP Configuration Details
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendusing") = 2
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpserver") = strSMTPServer
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpauthenticate") = 1
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendusername") = strUserName
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/sendpassword") = strPwd
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpserverport") = 25 'normally 25  but can be anything, try 587, or
465 or check with your ISP.
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpusessl") = False
 
objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/configura
tion/smtpconnectiontimeout") = 60 ' before timing out
  objCDO.Configuration.Fields.Update    ' Update configuration
  'MsgBox objCDO.GetStream.ReadText  ' Use to show the message.
  objCDO.Send  ' Send the message.
exithere:
  Exit Function
errhandler:
  strErr = "pfEmailByCDO - Send Errors " & Err.Description
  If InStr(strErr, ConErrX) > 0 Then
    strErr = strErr & " No Email Sent"
  End If
  MsgBox strErr
  GoTo exithere
End Function

Private Function fFileContents(strFilePath As String) As String
  ' Set a Reference for FileSystemObjects in Office 11.
  'These constants are defined to make the code more readable
  Const ForReading = 1, ForWriting = 2, ForAppending = 8
  Dim fso, f
  Set fso = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
  'Open the file for reading
  Set f = fso.OpenTextFile(strFilePath, ForReading)
  'The ReadAll method reads the entire file
  fFileContents = f.ReadAll
  f.Close    'Close the file
  Set f = Nothing
  Set fso = Nothing
End Function 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 6:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Thanks, Max.  Working the first solution at the moment.   If that works I'll
stop the clock, and go there to see if it works at their site.  

What's CDO?

Rocky


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 07:56:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 05:56:19 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router
firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any
compelling reason to switch?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 08:47:38 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 14:47:38 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <001501c82ea1$28bc98c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <009601c82ea8$f611e350$8119fea9@LTVM>

Rocky,
The email setting are easily found from the Outlook/Tools/Email Accounts
settings.  The smtp and user logins are all there.  Click on the More Tab
and find out which specific SMTP settings are set for the account they want
to use and then use these in CDO.  You can do this for them - takes a few
minutes that's all.

With CDO you do not need Outlook to be open (or any email client).  You can
feed a rst into the functions and send them all during silent hours.  
I have recently sent over 20,000 emails to participants in an event.  No
user overtime required.  It all happened during silent hours.

Very flexible once you start to use it.  No more Outlook warnings etc
(although these can be overcome with ClickYes).
You can wrap it all in a Form to make changes to parameters and feed these
through, etc, etc.

Max

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Max:

Thanks for the code. It begins to look familiar.  I think I was going to go
this route once but the users would have had trouble configuring it because
they'd need to know their own  smtp server string and stuff like that.   

This will work for the instant application because it's only one site.
However, I'd have to create a form to allow each user to configure to their
won email and password.  (At this point, too, the client is looking for
cheap solutions). But the outlook stuff you sent earlier worked a treat.
Just too a couple minutes to mod for their site and walla! email with pdf
attachments.

Which attachments, BTW, I implemented in a hurry using the Lebans stuff,
thanks again to the list.

Thanks again to the list.

Did I mention how thankful I am to the list?

Best,

Rocky



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 09:18:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:18:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Rocky,

I don't pretend to be a security expert.  Therefore all I can do is talk
about what I like and why.  The Comodo firewall is good and getting better.
It is free.  It has now added in a new layer which watches for the nasties
trying to load and also the nasties trying to hook in to or manipulate
already loaded applications.  This is a very common practice, even with the
non-nasties.  Outlook hooks into Firefox or IE to display web pages.  So if
an "application" tries to use another application, is it normal or a nasty?
If something tries to load, is it a normal known app or a nasty?  

There are already firewalls out there, there are already app monitors.  Some
are good, some are not so good, some are useless.  Unfortunately given the
very real importance of such things, I am not finding a good site dedicated
to testing firewalls and keeping those tests up to date.  I find tests for
Comodo's firewall but they are from Sept 2006.  That is well over a year ago
and are the results valid today?  As we know from the Microsoft debacle, bug
fixes can break things so any firewall developer can fix a bug and break
something else.  We really need some place that tests each firewall /
version at LEAST every few months.  Well if there is one I can't find it.

Anyway, Comodo is a company that I trust and I like their philosophy.  They
are in the business of selling security certificates, and they profess to
believe that trust is the most critical aspect of their job.  They already
have a background in the internet, and specifically in the security side of
the internet and they are trying to leverage that knowledge into good
products for the little guy to protect himself with.  They are openly
staking their reputation on these products, and the effect on their
reputation is their payback for the work they do on these products.  I just
like that.

They are doing a good job of staying on top of the various security issues
(AFAICT) and they have added a new "layer" of security directly into the
firewall application which does this monitoring of other applications.  It
has gotten to the point where I think this is a requirement (application
monitoring), and it just seems like a good idea to have one dev team
handling the whole thing rather than using the firewall from over here and
the monitor from over there.  Given that the nasties almost always try to
use the internet for some nefarious purpose, it makes sense to me for the
app monitor to be able to talk directly to the firewall should it need to.

Again, just my opinion, and making the assumption that they do a good job on
both sides of the security house of course.

Both of these things, firewalls and application monitoring, are complicated
issues which I don't understand well enough to do my own testing.  I keep
looking for some third party which is keeping up with such testing but I am
not finding such a place.  In the meantime, all I can say is, I like Comodo
and I like their firewall.  I have been using it for well over a year now,
on all of my machines and I still recommend it highly.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router
firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any
compelling reason to switch?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 09:20:18 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 07:20:18 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <009601c82ea8$f611e350$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001501c82ea1$28bc98c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<009601c82ea8$f611e350$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001701c82ead$85dd4570$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:48 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Rocky,
The email setting are easily found from the Outlook/Tools/Email Accounts
settings.  The smtp and user logins are all there.  Click on the More Tab
and find out which specific SMTP settings are set for the account they want
to use and then use these in CDO.  You can do this for them - takes a few
minutes that's all.

With CDO you do not need Outlook to be open (or any email client).  You can
feed a rst into the functions and send them all during silent hours.  
I have recently sent over 20,000 emails to participants in an event.  No
user overtime required.  It all happened during silent hours.

Very flexible once you start to use it.  No more Outlook warnings etc
(although these can be overcome with ClickYes).
You can wrap it all in a Form to make changes to parameters and feed these
through, etc, etc.

Max

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Max:

Thanks for the code. It begins to look familiar.  I think I was going to go
this route once but the users would have had trouble configuring it because
they'd need to know their own  smtp server string and stuff like that.   

This will work for the instant application because it's only one site.
However, I'd have to create a form to allow each user to configure to their
won email and password.  (At this point, too, the client is looking for
cheap solutions). But the outlook stuff you sent earlier worked a treat.
Just too a couple minutes to mod for their site and walla! email with pdf
attachments.

Which attachments, BTW, I implemented in a hurry using the Lebans stuff,
thanks again to the list.

Thanks again to the list.

Did I mention how thankful I am to the list?

Best,

Rocky

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov 24 09:36:54 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:36:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <20071124153723.9B584250DC@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>

I went looking for info on Comodo, and found this firewall analysis site:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/results.
php

Too much info for me to summarize! - But Comodo is one of the better
products.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 09:49:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:49:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <20071124153723.9B584250DC@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<20071124153723.9B584250DC@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <005e01c82eb1$898f7b30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I am unable to load the page, or even the home page.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I went looking for info on Comodo, and found this firewall analysis site:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/results.
php

Too much info for me to summarize! - But Comodo is one of the better
products.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 09:59:42 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 09:59:42 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a firewall testing site

http://www.firewallguide.com/software.htm

GK


On Nov 24, 2007 9:18 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Rocky,
>
> I don't pretend to be a security expert.  Therefore all I can do is talk
> about what I like and why.  The Comodo firewall is good and getting better.
> It is free.  It has now added in a new layer which watches for the nasties
> trying to load and also the nasties trying to hook in to or manipulate
> already loaded applications.  This is a very common practice, even with the
> non-nasties.  Outlook hooks into Firefox or IE to display web pages.  So if
> an "application" tries to use another application, is it normal or a nasty?
> If something tries to load, is it a normal known app or a nasty?
>
> There are already firewalls out there, there are already app monitors.  Some
> are good, some are not so good, some are useless.  Unfortunately given the
> very real importance of such things, I am not finding a good site dedicated
> to testing firewalls and keeping those tests up to date.  I find tests for
> Comodo's firewall but they are from Sept 2006.  That is well over a year ago
> and are the results valid today?  As we know from the Microsoft debacle, bug
> fixes can break things so any firewall developer can fix a bug and break
> something else.  We really need some place that tests each firewall /
> version at LEAST every few months.  Well if there is one I can't find it.
>
> Anyway, Comodo is a company that I trust and I like their philosophy.  They
> are in the business of selling security certificates, and they profess to
> believe that trust is the most critical aspect of their job.  They already
> have a background in the internet, and specifically in the security side of
> the internet and they are trying to leverage that knowledge into good
> products for the little guy to protect himself with.  They are openly
> staking their reputation on these products, and the effect on their
> reputation is their payback for the work they do on these products.  I just
> like that.
>
> They are doing a good job of staying on top of the various security issues
> (AFAICT) and they have added a new "layer" of security directly into the
> firewall application which does this monitoring of other applications.  It
> has gotten to the point where I think this is a requirement (application
> monitoring), and it just seems like a good idea to have one dev team
> handling the whole thing rather than using the firewall from over here and
> the monitor from over there.  Given that the nasties almost always try to
> use the internet for some nefarious purpose, it makes sense to me for the
> app monitor to be able to talk directly to the firewall should it need to.
>
> Again, just my opinion, and making the assumption that they do a good job on
> both sides of the security house of course.
>
> Both of these things, firewalls and application monitoring, are complicated
> issues which I don't understand well enough to do my own testing.  I keep
> looking for some third party which is keeping up with such testing but I am
> not finding such a place.  In the meantime, all I can say is, I like Comodo
> and I like their firewall.  I have been using it for well over a year now,
> on all of my machines and I still recommend it highly.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:56 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router
> firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any
> compelling reason to switch?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
> itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
> detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.
>
> If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
> any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
> better.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 10:26:41 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:26:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>

I'm about to reveal my colossal ignorance (just in case it was not already
evident), but my question is this: given a router that already has a
firewall in it (such as LinkSys or DLink), what is gained by  adding a
software firewall to the mix? Since I live alone, but have 2 desktops, one
notebook and one server, I want traffic between everything my house to be
open and free. I'm only concerned about externalities, as it were. I don't
want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission), but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?

TIA,
Arthur


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 10:27:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:27:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005><005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006401c82eb6$f3b8cfc0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Look at the dates though.  The two top picks were reviewed in summer 2006.
That is a LOOOONG time ago in this business. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Here's a firewall testing site

http://www.firewallguide.com/software.htm

GK


On Nov 24, 2007 9:18 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Rocky,
>
> I don't pretend to be a security expert.  Therefore all I can do is 
> talk about what I like and why.  The Comodo firewall is good and getting
better.
> It is free.  It has now added in a new layer which watches for the 
> nasties trying to load and also the nasties trying to hook in to or 
> manipulate already loaded applications.  This is a very common 
> practice, even with the non-nasties.  Outlook hooks into Firefox or IE 
> to display web pages.  So if an "application" tries to use another
application, is it normal or a nasty?
> If something tries to load, is it a normal known app or a nasty?
>
> There are already firewalls out there, there are already app monitors.  
> Some are good, some are not so good, some are useless.  Unfortunately 
> given the very real importance of such things, I am not finding a good 
> site dedicated to testing firewalls and keeping those tests up to 
> date.  I find tests for Comodo's firewall but they are from Sept 2006.  
> That is well over a year ago and are the results valid today?  As we 
> know from the Microsoft debacle, bug fixes can break things so any 
> firewall developer can fix a bug and break something else.  We really 
> need some place that tests each firewall / version at LEAST every few
months.  Well if there is one I can't find it.
>
> Anyway, Comodo is a company that I trust and I like their philosophy.  
> They are in the business of selling security certificates, and they 
> profess to believe that trust is the most critical aspect of their 
> job.  They already have a background in the internet, and specifically 
> in the security side of the internet and they are trying to leverage 
> that knowledge into good products for the little guy to protect 
> himself with.  They are openly staking their reputation on these 
> products, and the effect on their reputation is their payback for the 
> work they do on these products.  I just like that.
>
> They are doing a good job of staying on top of the various security 
> issues
> (AFAICT) and they have added a new "layer" of security directly into 
> the firewall application which does this monitoring of other 
> applications.  It has gotten to the point where I think this is a 
> requirement (application monitoring), and it just seems like a good 
> idea to have one dev team handling the whole thing rather than using 
> the firewall from over here and the monitor from over there.  Given 
> that the nasties almost always try to use the internet for some 
> nefarious purpose, it makes sense to me for the app monitor to be able to
talk directly to the firewall should it need to.
>
> Again, just my opinion, and making the assumption that they do a good 
> job on both sides of the security house of course.
>
> Both of these things, firewalls and application monitoring, are 
> complicated issues which I don't understand well enough to do my own 
> testing.  I keep looking for some third party which is keeping up with 
> such testing but I am not finding such a place.  In the meantime, all 
> I can say is, I like Comodo and I like their firewall.  I have been 
> using it for well over a year now, on all of my machines and I still
recommend it highly.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:56 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router 
> firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any 
> compelling reason to switch?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall 
> itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of 
> malware detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.
>
> If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If 
> you use any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep 
> getting better.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov 24 10:42:52 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:42:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <005e01c82eb1$898f7b30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <20071124164323.1E2EB1C8C2@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>

The URL here is wrapped.

I just tried again - their home page opened fine.  www.matousec.com

BTW - the reviews here are quite critical and technical.  For example, they
say that ZoneAlarm Pro should not be used because it has too many critical
bugs that would allow a skilled person to easily get into your PC!  Ouch!

They also gain some income by selling the full technical analysis to the
vendors of firewalls - and some vendors have taken them up on this and
improved their products as a result.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I am unable to load the page, or even the home page.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I went looking for info on Comodo, and found this firewall analysis site:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/results.
php

Too much info for me to summarize! - But Comodo is one of the better
products.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall
itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of malware
detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.

If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If you use
any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep getting
better.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Nov 24 10:52:37 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:52:37 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <006401c82eb6$f3b8cfc0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <20071124165307.8B4E224FCD@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>

If you scroll down about 1/4 of the page, you'll see an update on Comodo
dated Sept 2007.  Sounds like the company is going to make major
improvements pretty soon.  I'm going to try this when they do.

Hey I just checked!  They do now offer version 3.0.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Look at the dates though.  The two top picks were reviewed in summer 2006.
That is a LOOOONG time ago in this business. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:00 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Here's a firewall testing site

http://www.firewallguide.com/software.htm

GK


On Nov 24, 2007 9:18 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Rocky,
>
> I don't pretend to be a security expert.  Therefore all I can do is 
> talk about what I like and why.  The Comodo firewall is good and getting
better.
> It is free.  It has now added in a new layer which watches for the 
> nasties trying to load and also the nasties trying to hook in to or 
> manipulate already loaded applications.  This is a very common 
> practice, even with the non-nasties.  Outlook hooks into Firefox or IE 
> to display web pages.  So if an "application" tries to use another
application, is it normal or a nasty?
> If something tries to load, is it a normal known app or a nasty?
>
> There are already firewalls out there, there are already app monitors.  
> Some are good, some are not so good, some are useless.  Unfortunately 
> given the very real importance of such things, I am not finding a good 
> site dedicated to testing firewalls and keeping those tests up to 
> date.  I find tests for Comodo's firewall but they are from Sept 2006.  
> That is well over a year ago and are the results valid today?  As we 
> know from the Microsoft debacle, bug fixes can break things so any 
> firewall developer can fix a bug and break something else.  We really 
> need some place that tests each firewall / version at LEAST every few
months.  Well if there is one I can't find it.
>
> Anyway, Comodo is a company that I trust and I like their philosophy.  
> They are in the business of selling security certificates, and they 
> profess to believe that trust is the most critical aspect of their 
> job.  They already have a background in the internet, and specifically 
> in the security side of the internet and they are trying to leverage 
> that knowledge into good products for the little guy to protect 
> himself with.  They are openly staking their reputation on these 
> products, and the effect on their reputation is their payback for the 
> work they do on these products.  I just like that.
>
> They are doing a good job of staying on top of the various security 
> issues
> (AFAICT) and they have added a new "layer" of security directly into 
> the firewall application which does this monitoring of other 
> applications.  It has gotten to the point where I think this is a 
> requirement (application monitoring), and it just seems like a good 
> idea to have one dev team handling the whole thing rather than using 
> the firewall from over here and the monitor from over there.  Given 
> that the nasties almost always try to use the internet for some 
> nefarious purpose, it makes sense to me for the app monitor to be able to
talk directly to the firewall should it need to.
>
> Again, just my opinion, and making the assumption that they do a good 
> job on both sides of the security house of course.
>
> Both of these things, firewalls and application monitoring, are 
> complicated issues which I don't understand well enough to do my own 
> testing.  I keep looking for some third party which is keeping up with 
> such testing but I am not finding such a place.  In the meantime, all 
> I can say is, I like Comodo and I like their firewall.  I have been 
> using it for well over a year now, on all of my machines and I still
recommend it highly.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:56 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> Looks good from the site.  I'm using Sygate.  I'm also behind a router 
> firewall and have AVG going to the AV and their spyware product.  Any 
> compelling reason to switch?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 4:47 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
>
> I have to say the new Comodo firewall, v 3.x is AWESOME.  The firewall 
> itself is great, and now they are folding in the capabilities of 
> malware detection such as rootkits and other such goodies.
>
> If you don't use a software firewall, you should try this thing.  If 
> you use any other firewall, you should try this thing.  They just keep 
> getting better.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 11:05:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:05:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005><005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90><aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006501c82ebc$3084fb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Arthur,

A hardware firewall is about controlling the access to the NETWORK (not any
specific computer) almost exclusively INCOMING only.  It is definitely the
first and most powerful line of defense for what it does.  What it does not
do is control any specific computer attempting to phone home.  If you ever
catch a nasty, almost all of them attempt to pass information back out to
criminals.  These things are a major threat nowadays.  

In the beginning were the script kiddies and they were idiots.  Now there
are crime syndicates with more resources than IBM (literally), all of it
focused on breaking in to our computers.  They run out of mainland china,
Russia and other essentially lawless or uncaring host countries where we
can't get at them and prosecute them.  And they are powerful.  They have
made so much money that they can and do afford the best programmers in the
world, paying big bucks to little people who don't stand a chance of making
that kind of money legitimately, and all focused on figuring out how to get
past your router.  If they get in , they plant totally silent applications
that just look for passwords and stuff.


So... the software firewall (and application monitors) are designed to watch
for applications trying to do things they shouldn't and applications trying
to send stuff OUT of your computer.

You will never know if you need one until your bank account or credit card
is empty.  If you do not ever use your computer to buy stuff over the
internet or do web banking, then you do not really have much to worry about.
Your computer may end up a 'bot in someone's bot network but what do you
care?  OTOH if you ever use your credit card over the net then just keep a
close eye on things and hope for the best.

Oh yea, and then there is the identity theft issue.

That's the short answer.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I'm about to reveal my colossal ignorance (just in case it was not already
evident), but my question is this: given a router that already has a
firewall in it (such as LinkSys or DLink), what is gained by  adding a
software firewall to the mix? Since I live alone, but have 2 desktops, one
notebook and one server, I want traffic between everything my house to be
open and free. I'm only concerned about externalities, as it were. I don't
want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission), but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?

TIA,
Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 11:09:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:09:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <20071124164323.1E2EB1C8C2@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
References: <005e01c82eb1$898f7b30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<20071124164323.1E2EB1C8C2@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <006601c82ebc$ceb92a70$6c7aa8c0@M90>

I still can't get on it. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

The URL here is wrapped.

I just tried again - their home page opened fine.  www.matousec.com

BTW - the reviews here are quite critical and technical.  For example, they
say that ZoneAlarm Pro should not be used because it has too many critical
bugs that would allow a skilled person to easily get into your PC!  Ouch!

They also gain some income by selling the full technical analysis to the
vendors of firewalls - and some vendors have taken them up on this and
improved their products as a result.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I am unable to load the page, or even the home page.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I went looking for info on Comodo, and found this firewall analysis site:

http://www.matousec.com/projects/windows-personal-firewall-analysis/results.
php

Too much info for me to summarize! - But Comodo is one of the better
products.

Dan



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 11:10:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:10:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <006501c82ebc$3084fb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90><001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005><005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90><aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com><29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
	<006501c82ebc$3084fb90$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <006701c82ebc$f7bf7c30$6c7aa8c0@M90>

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2218894,00.asp?kc=EWKNLBOE112407STR1 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 12:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

Arthur,

A hardware firewall is about controlling the access to the NETWORK (not any
specific computer) almost exclusively INCOMING only.  It is definitely the
first and most powerful line of defense for what it does.  What it does not
do is control any specific computer attempting to phone home.  If you ever
catch a nasty, almost all of them attempt to pass information back out to
criminals.  These things are a major threat nowadays.  

In the beginning were the script kiddies and they were idiots.  Now there
are crime syndicates with more resources than IBM (literally), all of it
focused on breaking in to our computers.  They run out of mainland china,
Russia and other essentially lawless or uncaring host countries where we
can't get at them and prosecute them.  And they are powerful.  They have
made so much money that they can and do afford the best programmers in the
world, paying big bucks to little people who don't stand a chance of making
that kind of money legitimately, and all focused on figuring out how to get
past your router.  If they get in , they plant totally silent applications
that just look for passwords and stuff.


So... the software firewall (and application monitors) are designed to watch
for applications trying to do things they shouldn't and applications trying
to send stuff OUT of your computer.

You will never know if you need one until your bank account or credit card
is empty.  If you do not ever use your computer to buy stuff over the
internet or do web banking, then you do not really have much to worry about.
Your computer may end up a 'bot in someone's bot network but what do you
care?  OTOH if you ever use your credit card over the net then just keep a
close eye on things and hope for the best.

Oh yea, and then there is the identity theft issue.

That's the short answer.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I'm about to reveal my colossal ignorance (just in case it was not already
evident), but my question is this: given a router that already has a
firewall in it (such as LinkSys or DLink), what is gained by  adding a
software firewall to the mix? Since I live alone, but have 2 desktops, one
notebook and one server, I want traffic between everything my house to be
open and free. I'm only concerned about externalities, as it were. I don't
want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission), but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?

TIA,
Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Nov 24 11:15:35 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:15:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases
Message-ID: <006801c82ebd$a10fe810$6c7aa8c0@M90>

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2217123,00.asp

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 11:31:39 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 17:31:39 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <001701c82ead$85dd4570$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00a201c82ebf$dfee3260$8119fea9@LTVM>

Well Rocky,
As an alternative why not buy a client-domain and host it with a low-cost
ISP (minimum costs these days)* then give your clients the ability to send
emails from within your Access package (using CDO - no email client
required). You can then build in all the paramaters into your package with
zero installation overheads (you control all the values necessary).  You
could sell this to them as "Added-Value" with/without an price.  The
activation key could be part of the Licence Code.  When turned on, they can
use it, otherwise not (nice little popup inviting them to upgrade)

You could also have client-specific web pages for each client.  Get them to
sign up to a no-spam clause and drop them from the "approved list" if they
break this.  Enhancement could be a unique selling point!

Max
* or host the domain with your own PC if it has permanent internet
connection.  Traffic would be low and easily within the capabilities of a
standard PC.  I use Abyss (v1 is free, v2 is lowcost).
Ps. You can also automat the sending of error driven emails direct to your
computers from theirs.  Imagine their surprise when you call them the next
day and say "I see you had a problem, here is the solution".


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Nov 24 11:38:52 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:38:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004801c82e98$11a93e30$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<001601c82ea1$caa5b950$0301a8c0@HAL9005>	<005501c82ead$4bbda9c0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<aea6c4950711240759v42b7ba0bs482e1037c829c685@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0711240826g372c0e61xfcd6b7c46baa4967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01c82ec0$e1f66900$8abea8c0@XPS>

Arthur,

<<I don't want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission),
but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?>> 

  Even though both are called "firewalls", the approach and what they do are
different, but there is some overlap.

  Hardware Firewalls started off with simply NAT (Network Address
Translation).  NAT "hides" your internal network from the outside world.  As
time went on hardware Firewalls gained capabilities, such as keyword
checking, URL filtering, Time restrictions, etc, but their primary focus is
handling TCP/IP communications and enabling/disabling that.  The problem is,
they typically don't check what's going on inside the communication itself
(look inside the packets).

  Software firewalls started off in the other direction; more concerned with
content.  They typically have anti-virus, spam tools, content checking, etc
built in.  And they as well have gained features over time, such as checking
ports and allowing / disallowing communications at a basic level.

  So the line has blurred quite a bit, but you still typically use a pair
because a hardware firewall is better at handling basic communications (it's
faster) and a software firewall to check content, such as preventing
personal information (ie. a phone number or credit card) from being
transmitted out.  You can buy a hardware firewall that has a lot of the
features a software firewall has, but they are expensive and the
configuration your doing is at a network wide level.  If you stick with
strictly software, then you have a performance issue.

  By splitting the difference, you get the best of both worlds.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New Comodo Firewall

I'm about to reveal my colossal ignorance (just in case it was not already
evident), but my question is this: given a router that already has a
firewall in it (such as LinkSys or DLink), what is gained by  adding a
software firewall to the mix? Since I live alone, but have 2 desktops, one
notebook and one server, I want traffic between everything my house to be
open and free. I'm only concerned about externalities, as it were. I don't
want anybody in the outside world to get in (without permission), but within
my tiny world, everything is permitted. So what would a software firewall
bring to the party that I don't already have?

TIA,
Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 12:23:20 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 10:23:20 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <00a201c82ebf$dfee3260$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001701c82ead$85dd4570$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00a201c82ebf$dfee3260$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001b01c82ec7$17e5e0d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Piece of cake.  Next time you're in the neighborhood, stop by, and hook that
up for me, will you?   Weather's great, accommodations reasonable (ask
Martin). 

Actually, it sounds like a good idea.  But more responsibility (24/7) than I
think I want.  I'm a lone ranger, here.

Rocky Smolin
Not When The Surf's Up Software Company
Del Mar, California


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Well Rocky,
As an alternative why not buy a client-domain and host it with a low-cost
ISP (minimum costs these days)* then give your clients the ability to send
emails from within your Access package (using CDO - no email client
required). You can then build in all the paramaters into your package with
zero installation overheads (you control all the values necessary).  You
could sell this to them as "Added-Value" with/without an price.  The
activation key could be part of the Licence Code.  When turned on, they can
use it, otherwise not (nice little popup inviting them to upgrade)

You could also have client-specific web pages for each client.  Get them to
sign up to a no-spam clause and drop them from the "approved list" if they
break this.  Enhancement could be a unique selling point!

Max
* or host the domain with your own PC if it has permanent internet
connection.  Traffic would be low and easily within the capabilities of a
standard PC.  I use Abyss (v1 is free, v2 is lowcost).
Ps. You can also automat the sending of error driven emails direct to your
computers from theirs.  Imagine their surprise when you call them the next
day and say "I see you had a problem, here is the solution".


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 

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From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Nov 24 13:01:32 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 08:01:32 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <47473C84.9000601@mvps.org>
References: <20071123105039.7E2E92B58F6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<20071123200328.OUPJ9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<47473C84.9000601@mvps.org>
Message-ID: <4748750C.5070007@mvps.org>

David,

Another thought...  It would arguably be neater if you put a couple of 
unbound textboxes on the form, with control sources:
=[BsvrStartDate]+[BSVRStartTime]
=[BsvrEndDate]+[BSVREndTime]

Let's say you name these textboxes BSVRStartDateTime and BSVREndDateTime.

So then we could have:
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.[Date] + EntryLogSets.[Time]) Between " & 
CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartDateTime])  & " And " & 
CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndDateTime])

Or, assuming your code is actually running from an event within the BSVR 
form:
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.[Date] + EntryLogSets.[Time]) Between " & 
CDbl(Me.BSVRStartDateTime)  & " And " & CDbl(Me.BSVREndDateTime)

Regards
Steve


Steve Schapel wrote:
> David,
> 
> If the [Date] and [Time] fields in the table are a Date/Time data type, 
> and if the criteria controls on the form are formatted with a valid date 
> and/or time format, then I don't think you would need the CDate and 
> DateValue functions as you have used them.  I would expect (without 
> having tested) that this would work:
> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date + EntryLogSets.Time) Between (#" & 
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & "# + #" &
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime] & "#) And (#" & 
> [Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate] "# + #" & [Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime] & "#)"
> 
> I always wrap date and time criteria in CLng or CDbl to handle 
> international problem, so I would do it like this:
> "WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date + EntryLogSets.Time) Between (" & 
> CLng([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
> CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & ") And (" & 
> CLng([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + CDbl([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]) 
> & ")"
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> David Emerson wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone who replied.
>>
>> The final solution was twofold.  First change the query:
>>
>> DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
>> ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>> "FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
>> ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>> "WHERE (CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
>> TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))>= 
>> CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate]) + 
>> TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]))) " & _
>> "And CDate(DateValue(EntryLogSets.Date) + 
>> TimeValue(EntryLogSets.Time))<= 
>> CDate(DateValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrEndDate]) + 
>> TimeValue([Forms]![BSVR]![BSVREndTime]))"
>>
>>
>> Secondly, tidy up the data to remove invalid entries in the time field.
>>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Nov 24 13:01:42 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 19:01:42 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <001b01c82ec7$17e5e0d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00a601c82ecc$74255970$8119fea9@LTVM>

>> Piece of cake.
Yes it is, probably sounds more complicated than it actually is.   Probably
a day's work for the lot.

I would love to take up your offer, but it is a long drive from England!  My
son is currently in Orangevale, CA.  Is that anywhere near you?
Would be great to see him and drop in on you.

Max
Ps. You don't have to answer the email calls 24/7, just during office hours.
Pps. 
1. Abyss is such a doddle to set up. Complete with firewall etc
2. Domain set up is done by ISP, just connect to it.  They will give you the
parameters.  Just leave you PC online 24/7 if you offer web pages, otherwise
scratch Abyss.  You can collect any error emails via a mailbox on the ISP.
3. Access you already know.

Do it Rocky - be the first kid on the block to offer this service!





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Piece of cake.  Next time you're in the neighborhood, stop by, and hook that
up for me, will you?   Weather's great, accommodations reasonable (ask
Martin). 

Actually, it sounds like a good idea.  But more responsibility (24/7) than I
think I want.  I'm a lone ranger, here.

Rocky Smolin
Not When The Surf's Up Software Company
Del Mar, California


 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Well Rocky,
As an alternative why not buy a client-domain and host it with a low-cost
ISP (minimum costs these days)* then give your clients the ability to send
emails from within your Access package (using CDO - no email client
required). You can then build in all the paramaters into your package with
zero installation overheads (you control all the values necessary).  You
could sell this to them as "Added-Value" with/without an price.  The
activation key could be part of the Licence Code.  When turned on, they can
use it, otherwise not (nice little popup inviting them to upgrade)

You could also have client-specific web pages for each client.  Get them to
sign up to a no-spam clause and drop them from the "approved list" if they
break this.  Enhancement could be a unique selling point!

Max
* or host the domain with your own PC if it has permanent internet
connection.  Traffic would be low and easily within the capabilities of a
standard PC.  I use Abyss (v1 is free, v2 is lowcost).
Ps. You can also automat the sending of error driven emails direct to your
computers from theirs.  Imagine their surprise when you call them the next
day and say "I see you had a problem, here is the solution".


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Nov 24 13:27:57 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 11:27:57 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments
In-Reply-To: <00a601c82ecc$74255970$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <001b01c82ec7$17e5e0d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00a601c82ecc$74255970$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <001c01c82ed0$1e65c340$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Orangevale is about 500 miles  north - near Sacramento.  We're just North of
San Diego, about 35 miles from the Mexico border

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

>> Piece of cake.
Yes it is, probably sounds more complicated than it actually is.   Probably
a day's work for the lot.

I would love to take up your offer, but it is a long drive from England!  My
son is currently in Orangevale, CA.  Is that anywhere near you?
Would be great to see him and drop in on you.

Max
Ps. You don't have to answer the email calls 24/7, just during office hours.
Pps. 
1. Abyss is such a doddle to set up. Complete with firewall etc 2. Domain
set up is done by ISP, just connect to it.  They will give you the
parameters.  Just leave you PC online 24/7 if you offer web pages, otherwise
scratch Abyss.  You can collect any error emails via a mailbox on the ISP.
3. Access you already know.

Do it Rocky - be the first kid on the block to offer this service!





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 6:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Piece of cake.  Next time you're in the neighborhood, stop by, and hook that
up for me, will you?   Weather's great, accommodations reasonable (ask
Martin). 

Actually, it sounds like a good idea.  But more responsibility (24/7) than I
think I want.  I'm a lone ranger, here.

Rocky Smolin
Not When The Surf's Up Software Company
Del Mar, California


 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

Well Rocky,
As an alternative why not buy a client-domain and host it with a low-cost
ISP (minimum costs these days)* then give your clients the ability to send
emails from within your Access package (using CDO - no email client
required). You can then build in all the paramaters into your package with
zero installation overheads (you control all the values necessary).  You
could sell this to them as "Added-Value" with/without an price.  The
activation key could be part of the Licence Code.  When turned on, they can
use it, otherwise not (nice little popup inviting them to upgrade)

You could also have client-specific web pages for each client.  Get them to
sign up to a no-spam clause and drop them from the "approved list" if they
break this.  Enhancement could be a unique selling point!

Max
* or host the domain with your own PC if it has permanent internet
connection.  Traffic would be low and easily within the capabilities of a
standard PC.  I use Abyss (v1 is free, v2 is lowcost).
Ps. You can also automat the sending of error driven emails direct to your
computers from theirs.  Imagine their surprise when you call them the next
day and say "I see you had a problem, here is the solution".


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 3:20 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SendObject Attachments

I like it.  I wouldn't distribute it to a lot of users, however.  In my
manufacturing system the installation is dead simple.  First instruction
-Create a folder C:\E-Z-MRP.  50% of the users were stumped.  That's when I
switched to Wise/Sagekey.

But for one-off installations it looks like a better approach.

Rocky
 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Nov 25 13:55:42 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 11:55:42 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases
In-Reply-To: <006801c82ebd$a10fe810$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <006801c82ebd$a10fe810$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <192DFB7E988C405D89493E215F7168E1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Very interesting article John

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2217123,00.asp

John W. Colby
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From paulrster at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 14:14:15 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:14:15 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
Message-ID: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an old
database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be possible to
import it into Access?

Cheers all 

paul 

 
 
 

From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 14:52:06 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 15:52:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com>

See this: http://www.millenniacorp.com/Expressware/InfoFileExpress.htm

On 11/25/07, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an old
> database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be possible to
> import it into Access?
>
> Cheers all
>
> paul
>
>
>
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From paulrster at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 15:28:58 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:28:58 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c82faa$3244bad0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

Thanks, Arthur, but I got the impression that the site was abandoned some
time back.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 25 November 2007 20:52
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

See this: http://www.millenniacorp.com/Expressware/InfoFileExpress.htm

On 11/25/07, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an 
> old database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be 
> possible to import it into Access?
>
> Cheers all
>
> paul
>
>
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 15:39:56 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:39:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <000f01c82faa$3244bad0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<000f01c82faa$3244bad0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711251339v66d5943eye7dfc5dd4af63d1d@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think so.

On 11/25/07, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Arthur, but I got the impression that the site was abandoned some
> time back.
>


From paulrster at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 15:53:11 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:53:11 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711251339v66d5943eye7dfc5dd4af63d1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO><29f585dd0711251252vc248ea9jbb31696d4fe7c4fd@mail.gmail.com><000f01c82faa$3244bad0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<29f585dd0711251339v66d5943eye7dfc5dd4af63d1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001c82fad$938abd50$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

They seem to have become involved in family trees with the latest offering.
Is there a way to import DOS files from a program like File Express into
Access, do you think, Arthur? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 25 November 2007 21:40
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

I don't think so.

On 11/25/07, paulr <paulrster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Arthur, but I got the impression that the site was abandoned 
> some time back.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 15:55:50 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:55:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If you can't import it directly, you might be able to use a third program --  
look for a product that's supported by both File Express and Access and use 
it as a go-between if you have to.

If nothing else, you might export the FE data to a delimited text file.

Susan H.


> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an old
> database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be possible to
> import it into Access?



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 17:57:35 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 18:57:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
Message-ID: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I don't think there's a querydef-type object in ADO, is there? 

Susan H. 


From nd500_lo at charter.net  Sun Nov 25 18:42:37 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:42:37 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000001c82fc5$3e24efd0$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

Excel might do the trick, too...have used it several times with legacy
stuff... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

If you can't import it directly, you might be able to use a third program --
look for a product that's supported by both File Express and Access and use
it as a go-between if you have to.

If nothing else, you might export the FE data to a delimited text file.

Susan H.


> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an 
> old database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be 
> possible to import it into Access?

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From prodevmg at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 18:50:57 2007
From: prodevmg at yahoo.com (Lonnie Johnson)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 16:50:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
Message-ID: <118699.93917.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nope. That's the one thing that keeps me using the DAO.
 
May God bless you beyond your imagination!
Lonnie Johnson
ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
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From: Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:57:35 PM
Subject: [AccessD] ADO

I don't think there's a querydef-type object in ADO, is there? 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 19:02:54 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:02:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <118699.93917.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001701c82fc8$15c81d20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Yeah, that's what I thought. I seldom have need to reference a fixed query, 
so I never can remember. Thanks!

Susan H.


> Nope. That's the one thing that keeps me using the DAO.
>
> May God bless you beyond your imagination!
> Lonnie Johnson
> ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 19:29:22 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 20:29:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
Message-ID: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I'm using the following statement to retrieve the description properties for 
query fields:

SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")

As long as there's a description, it works fine. An empty property returns 
the error "property not found"

I've tried a Resume Next error statement, but VBA acts like it isn't even 
there and still returns the error.

I've tried numerous ways to avoid or capture it, and nothing's worked.

As far as I know, Description isn't user-defined and I think VBA's just 
returning one of its many, famous erroneous error messages that aren't so 
terribly helpful. However, you'd think Resume Next would ignore it, but it 
doesn't seem to.

Anyone seen anything like this before?

I haven't tried a real error handling routine because I'd hoped to avoid 
doing so if there was an easier solution.

Susan H. 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Nov 25 23:35:44 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:35:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
In-Reply-To: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <005a01c82fee$31357cd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

How about SetFieldDescription =  Nz( fld.Properties("Description"))?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:29 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error

I'm using the following statement to retrieve the description properties for
query fields:

SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")

As long as there's a description, it works fine. An empty property returns
the error "property not found"

I've tried a Resume Next error statement, but VBA acts like it isn't even
there and still returns the error.

I've tried numerous ways to avoid or capture it, and nothing's worked.

As far as I know, Description isn't user-defined and I think VBA's just
returning one of its many, famous erroneous error messages that aren't so
terribly helpful. However, you'd think Resume Next would ignore it, but it
doesn't seem to.

Anyone seen anything like this before?

I haven't tried a real error handling routine because I'd hoped to avoid
doing so if there was an easier solution.

Susan H. 

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From paulrster at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 00:36:12 2007
From: paulrster at gmail.com (paulr)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 06:36:12 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
	<006901c82fad$fa41e7d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <002901c82ff6$a47042e0$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>

Thanks, Susan H. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 25 November 2007 21:56
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

If you can't import it directly, you might be able to use a third program --
look for a product that's supported by both File Express and Access and use
it as a go-between if you have to.

If nothing else, you might export the FE data to a delimited text file.

Susan H.


> Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an 
> old database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be 
> possible to import it into Access?

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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Nov 26 00:43:53 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:13:53 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>

Susan,

    On Error Resume Next is found to work smoothly at my end. Sample subroutine named P_ListQryFieldDescr() is given below. It outputs only those fields where description property is not blank.

    If you are interested in listing all fields and show description where available (otherwise N.A.), sample subroutine named P_ListQryFieldDescr_A() as given below, will do the needful.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

'====================================
Sub P_ListQryFieldDescr(QryName As String)
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim qdf As QueryDef, fd As Field
    
    Set qdf = CurrentDb.QueryDefs(QryName)
    
    For Each fd In qdf.Fields
        Debug.Print fd.Name & " - (" & _
                    fd.Properties("Description") & ")"
    Next
    
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set qdf = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'------------------------------------------------------

Sub P_ListQryFieldDescr_A(QryName As String)
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim qdf As QueryDef, fd As Field
    Dim Txt As String
    
    Set qdf = CurrentDb.QueryDefs(QryName)
    
    For Each fd In qdf.Fields
        Err.Clear
        Txt = fd.Properties("Description")
        If Err.Number = 0 Then
            Debug.Print fd.Name & " - (" & _
                    fd.Properties("Description") & ")"
        Else
            Debug.Print fd.Name & " - (N.A.)"
        End If
    Next
    
    Set fd = Nothing
    Set qdf = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 06:59
  Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error


  I'm using the following statement to retrieve the description properties for 
  query fields:

  SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")

  As long as there's a description, it works fine. An empty property returns 
  the error "property not found"

  I've tried a Resume Next error statement, but VBA acts like it isn't even 
  there and still returns the error.

  I've tried numerous ways to avoid or capture it, and nothing's worked.

  As far as I know, Description isn't user-defined and I think VBA's just 
  returning one of its many, famous erroneous error messages that aren't so 
  terribly helpful. However, you'd think Resume Next would ignore it, but it 
  doesn't seem to.

  Anyone seen anything like this before?

  I haven't tried a real error handling routine because I'd hoped to avoid 
  doing so if there was an easier solution.

  Susan H. 

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 03:15:03 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:15:03 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
In-Reply-To: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <001601c8300c$d500cf40$8119fea9@LTVM>

Function xProp()
  'SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")
  On Error GoTo errhandler
  ' property 'DESCRIPTION' for a FIELD does not exist unless user creates it
and it is creatable!
  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, tbldef As DAO.TableDef, fld As Field, prp As
Property
  Dim strDescription As String
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  Set tbldef = dbs.TableDefs("Explains")
  For Each fld In tbldef.Fields
    For Each prp In fld.Properties
      If prp.Name = "Description" Then
        strDescription = prp.Value
      End If
    Next prp
  Next fld
exithere:
  Set dbs = Nothing: Set tbldef = Nothing: Set fld = Nothing: Set prp =
Nothing
  Exit Function
errhandler:
  Select Case Err.Number
    Case 3219, 3267, 3251 ' invalid operation type errors
      If prp.Name = "Description" Then
      ' You should never arrive here because the prp.name of 'Description'
does not exist if it not creatable.
        strDescription = fld.Name & " " & prp.Name & " No Description Held"
        MsgBox strDescription
      End If
      Resume Next
    Case Else
      MsgBox "Error: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description
  End Select
  Resume exithere
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:29 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error

I'm using the following statement to retrieve the description properties for
query fields:

SetFieldDescription = fld.Properties("Description")

As long as there's a description, it works fine. An empty property returns
the error "property not found"

I've tried a Resume Next error statement, but VBA acts like it isn't even
there and still returns the error.

I've tried numerous ways to avoid or capture it, and nothing's worked.

As far as I know, Description isn't user-defined and I think VBA's just
returning one of its many, famous erroneous error messages that aren't so
terribly helpful. However, you'd think Resume Next would ignore it, but it
doesn't seem to.

Anyone seen anything like this before?

I haven't tried a real error handling routine because I'd hoped to avoid
doing so if there was an easier solution.

Susan H. 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Nov 26 09:42:29 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:42:29 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al><000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1> 
	<00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>


I was off the last four days so I am late adding my two cents.
Nevertheless I feel compelled to say that this list has been
particularly valuable to this non-IT accounting type. As the sole VBA
user in the company there are no in house gurus. Consequently, over the
last ten years or so (10 years?!) this group has helped me elevate my
game and saved my rear countless times. I also very much enjoy the true
international nature of this group. I take comfort in the fact that in a
world with so many nasty disagreements there are places where
professionals from every continent can collaborate successfully. Thanks
to all.

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

Thanks for expressing it so well.  The strange thing is that we all feel
the
same way.  Individually we each know a little or a lot, but together we
are
more than the sum.  

Happy Thanksgiving to all of the Americans, and the same feelings go out
to
the other list members.  Thanks for being there, my life would be very
different without you guys and gals.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 09:58:41 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <002b01c83045$38cd1460$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>    On Error Resume Next is found to work smoothly at my end. Sample 
> subroutine named P_ListQryFieldDescr() is given below. It outputs only 
> those fields where description property is not blank.

======I will try it on another system -- there is so much wrong with this 
one, that I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Access and VBA aren't 
working properly either.

Susan H. 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 26 10:09:38 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:09:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>
References: <00df01c82b45$ced67c80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<02ba01c82bff$22d26dd0$ce59a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <004301c83046$bef83280$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:

Does the code:

    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide

have to appear in each form, or just called once from the opening form?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Rocky,

    A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named
CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in
Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in
NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K &
2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

Code in form's module - A2K7
(Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
========================================
Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
========================================

    The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in
NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane can
get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution
of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007
to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent
object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active
form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form
itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with
hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

    Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the
NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other
object like table or query should be in open state.

    It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object in
NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank
Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the
group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object,
it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not
already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from
effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves
satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

    Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective
hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all
object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is meant
for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant for
hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in
Access 2003).

    It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open state.
It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk hiding/
unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in this
state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

Sample universal code in form's module - Access 2007 (for hiding / un-hiding
NavPane window) '====================================
' Declarations section
' Comma separated list of form names
' already in hidden state (so that these ' do not get un-hidden along with
others) ' Note - This list gets generated automatically Private
HiddenFormsList As String
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdHide_Click()
    ' Hide all open forms & reports so that with
    ' statement (A) focus stays on NavPane even
    ' when no object is on display (e.g. all NavPane
    ' groups are in collapsed state)
    P_HideAllOpenFormsReports
    
    ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True               ' (A)
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
    
    ' Unhide all open forms and reports (other than
    ' forms deliberately kept hidden).
    ' Activate this form
    P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_HideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    HiddenFormsList = ""        ' Default
    ' Hide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            ' Update list of deliberately hidden forms
            If frm.Visible = False Then
                HiddenFormsList = _
                    HiddenFormsList & "," & frm.Name
            End If
            frm.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Hide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = False
        Next
    End If
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'-------------------------------------------------------

Private Sub P_UnHideAllOpenFormsReports()
    On Error Resume Next
    Dim frm As Form, rpt As Report
    Dim Cnt As Long
    
    ' UnHide all open forms
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Forms.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each frm In Forms
            If InStr(HiddenFormsList, frm.Name) > 0 Then
            Else
                frm.Visible = True
            End If
        Next
    End If
    
    ' UnHide all open reports
    Err.Clear
    Cnt = Reports.Count
    If Err.Number = 0 Then
        For Each rpt In Reports
            rpt.Visible = True
        Next
    End If
    
    ' Activate this form
    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, Me.Name, False
    
    Set frm = Nothing
    Set rpt = Nothing
    On Error GoTo 0
End Sub
'====================================

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 12:50
  Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  Dear List:
   
  A client writes to ask if the Navigation Pane (which in his screen shot is
  on the left side of the screen) can be made to disappear through code.  I
  don't have A2007 so I don't know.   I guess this 'Navigation Pane' is
  something new in A2007?
   
  Is there a line of code that will turn the pane off?  An if the user is
  running 2003 is suppose it would generate an error but I could precede the
  code to turn off the pane with On Error Resume Next?
   
  MTIA,
   
  Rocky
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 10:32:41 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:32:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

There is a query object in ADOX, but why do you ask?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 3:58 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADO

I don't think there's a querydef-type object in ADO, is there? 

Susan H. 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 10:35:56 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:35:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
	<00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com>

>> I also very much enjoy the true
international nature of this group. I take comfort in the fact that in a
world with so many nasty disagreements there are places where
professionals from every continent can collaborate successfully. Thanks
to all.

Wow! You said it all. I feel that I've made friends with people on every
continent except maybe Antarctica, and who knows, someone among us may hail
from there and just hasn't bothered yet to hail.
Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you know
how effort that takes! LOL.

Arthur


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:04:15 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:04:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> There is a query object in ADOX, but why do you ask?

Charlotte, I checked the ADOX OM before asking -- I knew there was a Table 
object and I found a View object, but not query object. Did I miss it or 
does the View object include an Access query object? I thought that was 
perhaps the case, but didn't see it mentioned in any of the documentation I 
read.

Susan H. 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:25:44 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:25:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711260925rdc234b1g272a5ca855312ad0@mail.gmail.com>

Like, Susan, that's like, because you are, like, the chief documenter of all
this. More cereally, ADOX refers to queries as View because that's how the
big boys (SQL) refer to them. If you wish, I can send you a few procedures
that use ADOX to list all the objects of any specified type.

Arthur

On 11/26/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > There is a query object in ADOX, but why do you ask?
>
> Charlotte, I checked the ADOX OM before asking -- I knew there was a Table
> object and I found a View object, but not query object. Did I miss it or
> does the View object include an Access query object? I thought that was
> perhaps the case, but didn't see it mentioned in any of the documentation
> I
> read.
>
> Susan H.
>


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 09:45:02 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:45:02 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000d01c82d42$4bb677c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBB0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ok, I want to be Greg House (I walked with a cane for a few months! ;)
)!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 2:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

If somebody on this list can't solve your problem, it can't be solved.
;)

Susan H.


>
> I was sitting here, thinking of all the things I have to be extremely
> grateful for today...and this group came to mind. Over the years,
through
> some miracle, every time I've hit a place where I was too confused to
even
> know what to ask...someone else in this group has asked the question I
> needed to ask and I've reaped the benefits of all the answers. I owe
all 
> of
> you a debt of gratitude and this is the best I can do. Everything I
have
> accomplished professionally, I owe to each and every one of you. You
are,
> individually and collectively, amazing. Thank you for being
here...Happy
> Thanksgiving!
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 11:35:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:35:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1><00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90><EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>
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Message-ID: <004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>

>Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you know
how effort that takes! LOL.

OK, share your secret!

;-)


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

>> I also very much enjoy the true
international nature of this group. I take comfort in the fact that in a
world with so many nasty disagreements there are places where professionals
from every continent can collaborate successfully. Thanks to all.

Wow! You said it all. I feel that I've made friends with people on every
continent except maybe Antarctica, and who knows, someone among us may hail
from there and just hasn't bothered yet to hail.
Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you know
how effort that takes! LOL.

Arthur
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 10:05:21 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:05:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases
In-Reply-To: <006801c82ebd$a10fe810$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBBD@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Wow...making a server side database directly open to the web is the
virtual equivalent to putting your companies file cabinets out on a
public street.  Just plain crazy!

Drew

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Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 11:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] An interesting article on exposed databases

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2217123,00.asp

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 10:09:05 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:09:05 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Just curious, what do you need one for?

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 5:58 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ADO

I don't think there's a querydef-type object in ADO, is there? 

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 10:09:50 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:09:50 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <001701c82fc8$15c81d20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 7:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO

Yeah, that's what I thought. I seldom have need to reference a fixed
query, 
so I never can remember. Thanks!

Susan H.


> Nope. That's the one thing that keeps me using the DAO.
>
> May God bless you beyond your imagination!
> Lonnie Johnson
> ProDev, Professional Development of MS Access Databases
> Visit me at ==> http://www.prodev.us

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:41:57 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:41:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
	<00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local>
	<29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com>
	<004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711260941l6361727bg21ff9655d05e1038@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, the shareware version does not cover this plan.

On 11/26/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you
> know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> OK, share your secret!
>
> ;-)
>


From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 26 11:48:38 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:48:38 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
In-Reply-To: <016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <56A8B254D93E468A91B03443645232F4@creativesystemdesigns.com>

> On Error Resume Next

Now that is cheating... but it sure is a time saver and that one line of
code can negate 20 lines of code. (Use it myself... ) Jim

Jim



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:53:44 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:53:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<29f585dd0711260925rdc234b1g272a5ca855312ad0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c83055$4b8fae40$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

If you wish, I can send you a few procedures
> that use ADOX to list all the objects of any specified type.

======Might as well send them to the entire group -- I'm sure I won't be the 
only one who's interested.

I've used ADOX before, but I don't use it often enough to remember 
everything -- I just look it up when I need it. I've never used it to 
reference a fixed query.

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:54:57 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:54:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <003301c83055$a586fde0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> Just curious, what do you need one for?

Cycling through query field properties. 

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:55:26 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:55:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 11:56:16 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:56:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Odd property error
References: <000301c82fcb$ccfa9560$4b3a8343@SusanOne><016e01c82ff7$d8dae1b0$1458a27a@personalec1122>
	<56A8B254D93E468A91B03443645232F4@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <003701c83055$a6de5080$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



>> On Error Resume Next
>
> Now that is cheating... but it sure is a time saver and that one line of
> code can negate 20 lines of code. (Use it myself... ) Jim

======I use it a lot. I find it much preferable and inefficient when the 
error just needs to be ignored rather than captured and reported.

Susan H. 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 09:47:03 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:47:03 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <200711222153.lAMLrMSV009754@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBB2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Nerd mates?  When I was in the Navy, the term was shipmates....ugh, that
one made my skin crawl.  Nerd mates isn't too bad though, I'm more of a
nerd then a ship!  ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 3:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

Here here 

And so say all of us

My wife even knows some of regular names on this list - And she doesn't
even
have 'pewta' skills - I often talk about the victories that come from
this list
with her
She'll see me smacking the monitor about the 'ears' in frustration and
will say
- "Send an email to your nerd mates"
(That's her very sincere - tongue in cheek term for the team - Knowing
how much
I truly rely on you guys)
Here in Oz we don't do thanksgiving - But I am very very grateful to
this list
and the 'nerds' on it - And to the friendships that have come from it
Many many thanks

DD
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 11:59:35 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:59:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1><00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90><EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local><29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com>
	<004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002201c83056$1c774b80$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

JC

...there is no secret ...nor any real effort required ...just kneel and all 
will be well.
...btw, Arthur makes a very nice supplicant :)

William ...exiting stage left.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving


> >Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you 
> >know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> OK, share your secret!
>
> ;-)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:36 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
>
>>> I also very much enjoy the true
> international nature of this group. I take comfort in the fact that in a
> world with so many nasty disagreements there are places where 
> professionals
> from every continent can collaborate successfully. Thanks to all.
>
> Wow! You said it all. I feel that I've made friends with people on every
> continent except maybe Antarctica, and who knows, someone among us may 
> hail
> from there and just hasn't bothered yet to hail.
> Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you 
> know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> Arthur
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 09:51:49 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:51:49 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071123080517.BXNN9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBB3@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Sorry to chime in here late, but if these are true date/time fields,
then you need to add them, not 'join' them.  In a date/time field, the
data is stored as a double, the integer portion is the date, the decimal
portion is the time.  To join a date and time together, you just add
them.  Joining them like text requires that they are represented by text
(which is more work, because you are converting from numbers to text,
then back to numbers)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time

Group,

Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)

I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate 
date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets 
of dates like so:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"

This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records 
that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with 
putting the two fields together into a single date/time.  Here is my
code:

DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT 
ShipmentDetail.* " & _
"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON 
ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
"WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" & 
CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"

An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " & 
[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.

The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query 
expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a 
problem when I add the times.

How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for comparison?


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 12:04:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:04:27 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <002201c83056$1c774b80$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1><00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90><EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local><29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com><004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<002201c83056$1c774b80$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <004101c83056$c98ad9e0$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  You have come a long ways from the early days, as have we all.
Kneeling is not likely however. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

JC

...there is no secret ...nor any real effort required ...just kneel and all
will be well.
...btw, Arthur makes a very nice supplicant :)

William ...exiting stage left.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving


> >Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and you 
> >know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> OK, share your secret!
>
> ;-)
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 12:24:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:24:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
Message-ID: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>

Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the install, with the
old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
than the old router.

I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the far end of
the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!

I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that.  Thus I
can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
business firewall (the old wireless router).

The hoops we jump through.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From robert at webedb.com  Mon Nov 26 12:45:34 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:45:34 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5729.1196098608.29181.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.5729.1196098608.29181.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200711261849.lAQInjc6011233@databaseadvisors.com>

My guess is that there is an export capability
within it. Export it to comma delimited files.

At 11:36 AM 11/26/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 21:53:11 -0000
>From: "paulr" <paulrster at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <001001c82fad$938abd50$6401a8c0 at PAULSLENOVO>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>They seem to have become involved in family trees with the latest offering.
>Is there a way to import DOS files from a program like File Express into
>Access, do you think, Arthur?




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 26 12:58:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

John:

I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years.  Same problem -
weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.

I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102).  They're
rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
plug and play.  It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.


So no more wireless.


Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the install, with the
old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
than the old router.

I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the far end of
the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!

I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that.  Thus I
can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
business firewall (the old wireless router).

The hoops we jump through.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 12:58:41 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:41 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E82@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Just for fun, here's an old routine I built to create a query using ADO:

'Sample call:

'CreateQuery "c:\Program Files\Microsoft
Office\Office\Samples\Northwind.mdb", _
'   "SELECT Products.* FROM Products WHERE Products.CategoryID=1;", _
'   "AllBeverages"

Sub CreateQuery(strDBPath As String, _
                strSQL As String, _
                strQryName As String)
   'Created by Charlotte Foust
   'Appends a new view to the specified database
   'from the SQL string passed
   Dim catDB As ADOX.Catalog
   Dim cmd   As ADODB.Command
    
   'instantiate the objects 
   Set catDB = New ADOX.Catalog
 
   'Define a Command object to contain the query's 
   'SQL.   
   Set cmd = New ADODB.Command  

   'Open the catalog.  
   catDB.ActiveConnection = CurrentProject.Connection  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 12:46:19 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:46:19 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CC18@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I don't see why not..... 

I'll take a look in a second.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 13:01:29 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:01:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
for this?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 13:02:40 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:02:40 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <004101c83056$c98ad9e0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000301c82d41$7dc3d790$6400a8c0@dsunit1><00ed01c82d73$37d4efd0$6c7aa8c0@M90><EB4CE6F971CE0948BFADB756562E8F330111202C@corp-es04.fleetpride.local><29f585dd0711260835u2b7dfddal4a903d9744f67295@mail.gmail.com><004001c83052$bd429cd0$647aa8c0@M90><002201c83056$1c774b80$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<004101c83056$c98ad9e0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E85@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

At my age, kneeling is becoming nearly IMPOSSIBLE!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:04 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

LOL.  You have come a long ways from the early days, as have we all.
Kneeling is not likely however. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving

JC

...there is no secret ...nor any real effort required ...just kneel and
all will be well.
...btw, Arthur makes a very nice supplicant :)

William ...exiting stage left.

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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Thanksgiving


> >Hell, I've even achieved a sort of working peace with Hindman, and 
> >you know
> how effort that takes! LOL.
>
> OK, share your secret!
>
> ;-)
>



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 12:51:46 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:51:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CC1F@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Using plain old ADO, with a recordset object lets you see a lot of field
properties, but I didn't see Description there....

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 13:15:20 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:15:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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Charlotte, I'm just trying to use that technique we wrote about years ago --  
using the query field Description property. I'm using it differently, but 
like I said -- works fine until I run into a query field that doesn't have a 
Description property setting.

However, I'm going to try it on another system. This one really does behave 
badly anymore. I can't trust that what's happening isn't just something 
that's broke, especially since A.D. said Resume Next worked fine for him.

Susan H.



> The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
> properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
> for this?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
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> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM
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> Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO
>
>
>> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.
>
> =====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing.
>
> Susan H.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 26 14:06:03 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:06:03 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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Are you talking about the query definition object?

Like: 
Dim qdf1 As QueryDef

The object allows you to check whether a query exists, delete, add or modify
a query as well as view all the properties. Am I missing something?
 
Jim

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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> There is a query object in ADOX, but why do you ask?

Charlotte, I checked the ADOX OM before asking -- I knew there was a Table 
object and I found a View object, but not query object. Did I miss it or 
does the View object include an Access query object? I thought that was 
perhaps the case, but didn't see it mentioned in any of the documentation I 
read.

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:21:09 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:21:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <000301c82fbe$f5d444c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E77@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><002b01c8304e$66742850$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<EB07F47DAC944194BD3E195F30801EF0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <000401c83069$e3089930$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



> Are you talking about the query definition object?
>
> Like:
> Dim qdf1 As QueryDef
>
> The object allows you to check whether a query exists, delete, add or 
> modify
> a query as well as view all the properties. Am I missing something?

=====That's it, and yes, it works -- just wondering if there was an ADO 
equivalent.

Susan H. 



From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 26 14:35:24 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:35:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <000001c82f9f$c1d1d940$6401a8c0@PAULSLENOVO>
Message-ID: <200711262036.lAQKaWRq007106@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Paul,
Hopefully you have access to the program and can use the built in export
feature (Fixed Length, Lotus and dBase formats). If not you can still
purchase File Express 6 and upgrade the data to it and then export it.
https://www.legacyfamilytree.net/Expressware/Order.htm

HTH
John B.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of paulr
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:14 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?

Does anyone have any experience with File Express, please? It was an old
database system, DOS-based. The main question is: Would it be possible to
import it into Access?

Cheers all 

paul 

 
 
 




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 14:41:31 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 12:41:31 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <003101c83060$b2000ac0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<003101c83060$b2000ac0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E89@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Hmmn.  There is a description property, but it isn't available until you
create it (go figure), if I remember correctly.  I know I built that
played with the description property years ago, but even in DAO I don't
think it's there until you create it once and append it to the
properties of the object.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO

Charlotte, I'm just trying to use that technique we wrote about years
ago -- using the query field Description property. I'm using it
differently, but like I said -- works fine until I run into a query
field that doesn't have a Description property setting.

However, I'm going to try it on another system. This one really does
behave badly anymore. I can't trust that what's happening isn't just
something that's broke, especially since A.D. said Resume Next worked
fine for him.

Susan H.





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:44:14 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:44:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>


I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap linxus wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I also use it outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of house)and I have gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little slower there).  Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and printing.  

I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?

Mark A. Matte


> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John:
>
> I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same problem -
> weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
>
> I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). They're
> rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
> plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.
>
>
> So no more wireless.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
> bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
> signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
> I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically because
> Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
> I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, with the
> old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
> poorer reception via this new router in her office. However if I take her
> laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
> strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
> than the old router.
>
> I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
> to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room at the far end of
> the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
> there. I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
> below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
> down to it. Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
> connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home. Yuk!
>
> I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
> parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
> behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that. Thus I
> can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
> to my internal (business) LAN. The original router will talk to the
> internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
> new router. All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
> all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
> business firewall (the old wireless router).
>
> The hoops we jump through.
>
> John W. Colby
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 14:45:37 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:45:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><003101c83060$b2000ac0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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Message-ID: <001001c8306d$4ee79ef0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> Hmmn.  There is a description property, but it isn't available until you
> create it (go figure), if I remember correctly.  I know I built that
> played with the description property years ago, but even in DAO I don't
> think it's there until you create it once and append it to the
> properties of the object.

=======That may be the case if you don't actually use the property via the 
properties window -- and that would explain the problem, although I think 
it's strange.

Susan H. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 14:46:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:46:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <005d01c8306d$62ce87d0$647aa8c0@M90>

Rocky,

I am definitely looking at this, however I have had a bad experience with
power line transmission.  I have an "intercom" system which is supposed to
send the voice over the AC wiring.  It works, except that it will not send
from this circuit to that circuit etc.  I had the same issue with that same
system back in CT.  It seems the issue is the circuits in the breaker panel.
This is a physically big house, with a new addition and the original house,
plus I installed a generator and pulled some circuits into a dedicated
breaker box for the generator etc.  That Rangemax system costs just enough
that I don't want to try it. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

John:

I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years.  Same problem -
weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.

I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102).  They're
rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
plug and play.  It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.


So no more wireless.


Rocky



 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the install, with the
old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
than the old router.

I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the far end of
the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!

I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that.  Thus I
can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
business firewall (the old wireless router).

The hoops we jump through.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov 26 14:56:02 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:56:02 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
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Thanks for the explanation Drew - it is always nice to know why I am 
doing something :-)

At 27/11/2007, you wrote:
>Sorry to chime in here late, but if these are true date/time fields,
>then you need to add them, not 'join' them.  In a date/time field, the
>data is stored as a double, the integer portion is the date, the decimal
>portion is the time.  To join a date and time together, you just add
>them.  Joining them like text requires that they are represented by text
>(which is more work, because you are converting from numbers to text,
>then back to numbers)
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 2:08 AM
>To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
>Group,
>
>Sorry to interrupt your feasting :-)
>
>I have a legacy database that stores times and dates in two separate
>date/time fields.  Currently there is a query that compares two sets
>of dates like so:
>
>DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>"WHERE (EntryLogSets.Date)>=[Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate])"
>
>This works.  However, I need to change it so that it gets records
>that are after a certain date AND TIME.  I am having problems with
>putting the two fields together into a single date/time.  Here is my
>code:
>
>DoCmd.RunSQL "INSERT INTO ShipmentDetailForBSVRperiod SELECT
>ShipmentDetail.* " & _
>"FROM ShipmentDetail INNER JOIN EntryLogSets ON
>ShipmentDetail.CargoID = EntryLogSets.CargoID " & _
>"WHERE CDate(EntryLogSets.Date  & ' ' &  EntryLogSets.Time)>= #" &
>CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) & "#"
>
>An example of CDate([Forms]![BSVR]![BsvrStartDate] & " " &
>[Forms]![BSVR]![BSVRStartTime]) is 28/09/2007 9:40:00 a.m.
>
>The error I get is Error 3075 - Syntax error in date in query
>expression.  The query runs ok if I just include the dates, but has a
>problem when I add the times.
>
>How can I combine the two fields into a single date/time for comparison?
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Nov 26 14:54:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:54:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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I do believe that is part of the problem.  Another part is simply the mass
of metal from all the computers in my office.  I really need to get the
routers physically away from all my computer cases.  I can have the antenna
router under the table and the signal strength will be abysmal.  Pick the
antenna up and place it on the table and it improves a LOT.  What I really
need is a router with a couple of antennas, and a couple of Cantennas to aim
directly at where I want to use the laptop.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap linxus
wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I also use it
outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of house)and I have
gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little slower there).
Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and printing.  

I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi
level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?

Mark A. Matte


> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John:
>
> I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same 
> problem - weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
>
> I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). 
> They're rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless 
> security issue, plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and uses
you house wiring.
>
>
> So no more wireless.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which 
> have a bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up 
> the strongest signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers
(mostly laptops).
> I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically 
> because Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor
reception.
> I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, 
> with the old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, 
> or slightly poorer reception via this new router in her office. 
> However if I take her laptop on out to the dining room at the far end 
> of the house, the signal strength is definitely higher, by about 6db 
> on average and sometimes more, than the old router.
>
> I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb 
> wireless to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room at 
> the far end of the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much 
> better reception down there. I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down 
> in the bedroom directly below my office, and am buying a bridge to put 
> on it to get the wireless down to it. Currently I am running a cable 
> down the stairs and manually connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to
phone home. Yuk!
>
> I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new 
> one "in parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch 
> immediately behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in 
> to that. Thus I can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to 
> the internet, but not to my internal (business) LAN. The original 
> router will talk to the internet as well but will have its firewall 
> between the internal LAN and the new router. All of the Tivos and my 
> wife's laptop and my son's laptop will all talk to the internet 
> through the new router and not be behind the business firewall (the old
wireless router).
>
> The hoops we jump through.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Mon Nov 26 15:08:47 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 16:08:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <005d01c8306d$62ce87d0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPGEGEFEAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I find your problems with the house wiring interesting.  I could see a
problem if the circuits are on different phases (assuming the system used
the hot wires).  Or if the electrician wired stuff backwards (landed the hot
on the neutral terminal of the outlet).

I don't know how it works, but I would assume it would use the neutral as it
is the only constant in the system.  I'd say you've got some voltage feeding
back onto your neutral or you have something wired incorrectly.

This technology obviously works as there are HUGE areas using BPL as their
internet service.  Only difference is getting around transformers.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:46 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
>
> Rocky,
>
> I am definitely looking at this, however I have had a bad experience with
> power line transmission.  I have an "intercom" system which is supposed to
> send the voice over the AC wiring.  It works, except that it will not send
> from this circuit to that circuit etc.  I had the same issue with
> that same
> system back in CT.  It seems the issue is the circuits in the
> breaker panel.
> This is a physically big house, with a new addition and the
> original house,
> plus I installed a generator and pulled some circuits into a dedicated
> breaker box for the generator etc.  That Rangemax system costs just enough
> that I don't want to try it.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
> Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John:
>
> I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years.  Same problem -
> weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
>
> I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge
> (XE102).  They're
> rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
> plug and play.  It's like a hard wired connection and uses you
> house wiring.
>
>
> So no more wireless.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
> bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
> signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers
> (mostly laptops).
> I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
> Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor
> reception.
> I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the
> install, with the
> old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
> poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
> laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
> strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
> than the old router.
>
> I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
> to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the
> far end of
> the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
> there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
> below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
> down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
> connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!
>
> I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the
> new one "in
> parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
> behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to
> that.  Thus I
> can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the
> internet, but not
> to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
> internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal
> LAN and the
> new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's
> laptop will
> all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
> business firewall (the old wireless router).
>
> The hoops we jump through.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Nov 26 15:17:48 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:17:48 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Anyone remember File Express?
In-Reply-To: <200711262036.lAQKaWRq007106@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200711262119.lAQLIvdk032192@databaseadvisors.com>

Oh, BTW, Yes I remember it :o)

There was a fellow I knew that used it exclusively back in the 90s. 




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Nov 26 17:10:54 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 17:10:54 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <20071126205318.HVLF17371.fep04.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CCB4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

No problem, glad you resolved it already.

Just an FYI, one handy trick with a query is that you can 'replace' a
table with it.  For example:

If you have a table called tblSomething with a Date field and a Time
field, you can rename your table to tblSomethingActual then build a
query named tblSomething with this:

SELECT *, DateField + TimeField AS CompleteDateTime FROM
tblSomethingActual 

By renaming the original table to something else, and naming the query
to the original table name, everything that used to use that table will
now use the query, and now that unified field is available for that
'table'.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time

Thanks for the explanation Drew - it is always nice to know why I am 
doing something :-)

At 27/11/2007, you wrote:
>Sorry to chime in here late, but if these are true date/time fields,
>then you need to add them, not 'join' them.  In a date/time field, the
>data is stored as a double, the integer portion is the date, the
decimal
>portion is the time.  To join a date and time together, you just add
>them.  Joining them like text requires that they are represented by
text
>(which is more work, because you are converting from numbers to text,
>then back to numbers)
>
>Drew
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Nov 26 17:14:44 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:14:44 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <005e01c8306e$8a7469c0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
	<005e01c8306e$8a7469c0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000601c83082$22027fd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I think that was part of my problem as well.  There's a microwave and a
refrigerator between the router and the wireless access point in my wife's
office. I even put a repeater in between at one point - no soap.  The
plug-ins are totally stable.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 12:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

I do believe that is part of the problem.  Another part is simply the mass
of metal from all the computers in my office.  I really need to get the
routers physically away from all my computer cases.  I can have the antenna
router under the table and the signal strength will be abysmal.  Pick the
antenna up and place it on the table and it improves a LOT.  What I really
need is a router with a couple of antennas, and a couple of Cantennas to aim
directly at where I want to use the laptop.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap linxus
wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I also use it
outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of house)and I have
gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little slower there).
Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and printing.  

I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi
level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?

Mark A. Matte


> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John:
>
> I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same 
> problem - weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
>
> I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). 
> They're rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless 
> security issue, plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and uses
you house wiring.
>
>
> So no more wireless.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of 
> Hardware and Software issues'
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which 
> have a bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up 
> the strongest signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers
(mostly laptops).
> I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically 
> because Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor
reception.
> I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, 
> with the old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, 
> or slightly poorer reception via this new router in her office. 
> However if I take her laptop on out to the dining room at the far end 
> of the house, the signal strength is definitely higher, by about 6db 
> on average and sometimes more, than the old router.
>
> I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb 
> wireless to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room at 
> the far end of the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much 
> better reception down there. I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down 
> in the bedroom directly below my office, and am buying a bridge to put 
> on it to get the wireless down to it. Currently I am running a cable 
> down the stairs and manually connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to
phone home. Yuk!
>
> I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new 
> one "in parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch 
> immediately behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in 
> to that. Thus I can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to 
> the internet, but not to my internal (business) LAN. The original 
> router will talk to the internet as well but will have its firewall 
> between the internal LAN and the new router. All of the Tivos and my 
> wife's laptop and my son's laptop will all talk to the internet 
> through the new router and not be behind the business firewall (the old
wireless router).
>
> The hoops we jump through.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov 26 17:28:21 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:28:21 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works
Message-ID: <200711262328.lAQNSI0E009091@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

Cross posted to DBASQL

 

>From an Access 2003 APP - I use a command line - built from a string - to spark
up Query Analyser

It used to work - Now it no longer works - I get the error

 

[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]SQLServer does not exist or
access is denied

When I click OK - I get another error message.

Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]ConnectionOpen (Connect())

 

The general syntax I use to spark up QA is.

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\Binn\isqlw.exe"  -S MyServer -d
MydB -E

This has worked in the past and just 'stopped' in the last few days - not sure
why

 

I did delete all my old - no longer used - DSN's form the DSN folder - That's
all I can recall

(I have since recreated a few - still no joy)

 

Any clues? - Many thanks in advance

 

Darren

 



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Nov 26 17:37:15 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:37:15 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CCB4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi .net>
References: <20071126205318.HVLF17371.fep04.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CCB4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <20071126233530.VDLZ18083.fep03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Good tip - I'll add that to my bag of tricks.

David

At 27/11/2007, you wrote:
>No problem, glad you resolved it already.
>
>Just an FYI, one handy trick with a query is that you can 'replace' a
>table with it.  For example:
>
>If you have a table called tblSomething with a Date field and a Time
>field, you can rename your table to tblSomethingActual then build a
>query named tblSomething with this:
>
>SELECT *, DateField + TimeField AS CompleteDateTime FROM
>tblSomethingActual
>
>By renaming the original table to something else, and naming the query
>to the original table name, everything that used to use that table will
>now use the query, and now that unified field is available for that
>'table'.
>
>Drew
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David Emerson
>Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:56 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Comparing date and time
>
>Thanks for the explanation Drew - it is always nice to know why I am
>doing something :-)
>
>At 27/11/2007, you wrote:
> >Sorry to chime in here late, but if these are true date/time fields,
> >then you need to add them, not 'join' them.  In a date/time field, the
> >data is stored as a double, the integer portion is the date, the
>decimal
> >portion is the time.  To join a date and time together, you just add
> >them.  Joining them like text requires that they are represented by
>text
> >(which is more work, because you are converting from numbers to text,
> >then back to numbers)
> >
> >Drew
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Nov 26 17:45:29 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:45:29 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works
In-Reply-To: <200711262328.lAQNSI0E009091@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200711262328.lAQNSI0E009091@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EB3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

And which version of SQL Server are you using?  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works

Hi All

 

Cross posted to DBASQL

 

>From an Access 2003 APP - I use a command line - built from a string - 
>to spark
up Query Analyser

It used to work - Now it no longer works - I get the error

 

[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]SQLServer does not
exist or access is denied

When I click OK - I get another error message.

Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]ConnectionOpen
(Connect())

 

The general syntax I use to spark up QA is.

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\Binn\isqlw.exe"  -S
MyServer -d MydB -E

This has worked in the past and just 'stopped' in the last few days -
not sure why

 

I did delete all my old - no longer used - DSN's form the DSN folder -
That's all I can recall

(I have since recreated a few - still no joy)

 

Any clues? - Many thanks in advance

 

Darren

 

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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Nov 26 19:43:21 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:43:21 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EB3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200711270143.lAR1hJXq019963@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Charlotte

SQL Server 2000

The odd thing is - when I sent the text...
"C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\Binn\isqlw.exe"  -S
MyServer -d MydB -E

To my colleague (With real dB details) - it worked on her machine 

So I think something has changed on my machine or I have dowloaded some MS
security patch that stops command line access to SQL Server -

I dunno

Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2007 10:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works

And which version of SQL Server are you using?  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A2003:Command line to start SQL QA No longer works

Hi All

 

Cross posted to DBASQL

 

>From an Access 2003 APP - I use a command line - built from a string - 
>to spark
up Query Analyser

It used to work - Now it no longer works - I get the error

 

[Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]SQLServer does not
exist or access is denied

When I click OK - I get another error message.

Microsoft][ODBC SQL Server Driver][TCP/IP Sockets]ConnectionOpen
(Connect())

 

The general syntax I use to spark up QA is.

"C:\Program Files\Microsoft SQL Server\80\Tools\Binn\isqlw.exe"  -S
MyServer -d MydB -E

This has worked in the past and just 'stopped' in the last few days -
not sure why

 

I did delete all my old - no longer used - DSN's form the DSN folder -
That's all I can recall

(I have since recreated a few - still no joy)

 

Any clues? - Many thanks in advance

 

Darren

 

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From fahooper at trapo.com  Mon Nov 26 20:02:35 2007
From: fahooper at trapo.com (Fred Hooper)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:02:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <004301c83099$9491ece0$8151dd48@fredxp>

Susan,

I'm not sure what you mean by "field properties" and if what I have is what
you want: I wrote a "data dictionary" that I use when I go to a new site.

It takes the table, field, key & index information from a db and places it
in an access table. Currently it works for SQL Server and Oracle by running
a query on the metadata tables/views in the database and saving the results.

If it sounds useful to you please let me know.

Fred Hooper

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO

The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
for this?

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 9:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


> But you can use a fixed query in ADO.

=====Can you reference the field properties? That's what I'm doing. 

Susan H. 
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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Nov 27 01:02:01 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:32:01 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7
	03E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local> 
	<003101c83060$b2000ac0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <02d101c830c3$fee0cb00$2557a27a@personalec1122>

    Also make sure that the setting in general tab of options dialog box in VBA window has not inadvertently reverted to "Break on all errors"

A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 00:45
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO


  Charlotte, I'm just trying to use that technique we wrote about years ago --  
  using the query field Description property. I'm using it differently, but 
  like I said -- works fine until I run into a query field that doesn't have a 
  Description property setting.

  However, I'm going to try it on another system. This one really does behave 
  badly anymore. I can't trust that what's happening isn't just something 
  that's broke, especially since A.D. said Resume Next worked fine for him.

  Susan H.


  > The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
  > properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
  > for this?
  >
  > Charlotte Foust

From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Tue Nov 27 00:53:16 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:23:16 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
References: <200711270143.lAR1hJXq019963@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <02d001c830c3$fe7a6810$2557a27a@personalec1122>

Rocky,

    No need to put it on every form. It is for you to decide as to which form is most convenient for carrying out this action. Typically, the switchboard form (which is usually the start up form) could be considered for such role.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 21:39
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  A.D.:

  Does the code:

      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
      DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide

  have to appear in each form, or just called once from the opening form?

  Thanks and regards,

  Rocky  


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:26 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

  Rocky,

      A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named
  CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in
  Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in
  NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K &
  2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

  Code in form's module - A2K7
  (Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
  ========================================
  Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
      ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
      DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
  End Sub
  '-------------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
  End Sub
  ========================================

      The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in
  NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane can
  get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution
  of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007
  to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent
  object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active
  form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form
  itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with
  hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

      Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the
  NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other
  object like table or query should be in open state.

      It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object in
  NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank
  Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the
  group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object,
  it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not
  already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from
  effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves
  satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

      Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective
  hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all
  object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is meant
  for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant for
  hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in
  Access 2003).

      It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open state.
  It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk hiding/
  unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in this
  state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 07:00:30 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:00:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ADO
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CBC1@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><003601c83055$a62dc530$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703E83@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<003101c83060$b2000ac0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<02d101c830c3$fee0cb00$2557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <003301c830f6$0dc65950$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I'll check that -- on my system, anything's possible at this point, although 
I didn't do it myself. :)

That's a good tip in itself. :)

Susan H.


>    Also make sure that the setting in general tab of options dialog box in 
> VBA window has not inadvertently reverted to "Break on all errors"
>
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>  Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 00:45
>  Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADO
>
>
>  Charlotte, I'm just trying to use that technique we wrote about years 
> ago --
>  using the query field Description property. I'm using it differently, but
>  like I said -- works fine until I run into a query field that doesn't 
> have a
>  Description property setting.
>
>  However, I'm going to try it on another system. This one really does 
> behave
>  badly anymore. I can't trust that what's happening isn't just something
>  that's broke, especially since A.D. said Resume Next worked fine for him.
>
>  Susan H.
>
>
>  > The simple answer is NO.  The query/view doesn't expose field
>  > properties, those are in the table.  Why would you try to use a query
>  > for this?
>  >
>  > Charlotte Foust
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 07:13:24 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:13:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Article on colorblindness
Message-ID: <006801c830f7$4f1e4ba0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

http://colorvisiontesting.com/color4.htm

This was written for the education industry, but seems like it would apply 
to a lot of development.

Susan H. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 07:18:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:18:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Licensing - just an FYI
Message-ID: <004901c830f7$fb435b50$647aa8c0@M90>

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/22242

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 07:32:26 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:32:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <005d01c8306d$62ce87d0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<005d01c8306d$62ce87d0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <007601c830f9$f39a6130$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  Just do a single run of Cat5e (6 if you might go to gigabit) over to the
other end of the house and put a WAP on the end of it and be done with it.

  You'll have plenty of coverage for the entire house that way.

  You can do this on the cheap to if you have another wireless router laying
around.  Just plug the cable into one of the ports (not the Internet Port),
disable all the routing type functions (DHCP, etc), assign a static IP to
the box, and it will act as a wireless access point.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Rocky,

I am definitely looking at this, however I have had a bad experience with
power line transmission.  I have an "intercom" system which is supposed to
send the voice over the AC wiring.  It works, except that it will not send
from this circuit to that circuit etc.  I had the same issue with that same
system back in CT.  It seems the issue is the circuits in the breaker panel.
This is a physically big house, with a new addition and the original house,
plus I installed a generator and pulled some circuits into a dedicated
breaker box for the generator etc.  That Rangemax system costs just enough
that I don't want to try it. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 1:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

John:

I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years.  Same problem -
weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.

I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102).  They're
rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
plug and play.  It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.


So no more wireless.


Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
Hardware and Software issues'
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
I have to say that it kinda sorta works.  I bought it specifically because
Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength.  After the install, with the
old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
poorer reception via this new router in her office.  However if I take her
laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
than the old router.

I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
to do the phone home stuff.  It will be in the living room at the far end of
the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
there.  I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
down to it.  Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home.  Yuk!

I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that.  Thus I
can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
to my internal (business) LAN.  The original router will talk to the
internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
new router.  All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
business firewall (the old wireless router).

The hoops we jump through.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 27 07:38:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 05:38:17 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane
In-Reply-To: <02d001c830c3$fe7a6810$2557a27a@personalec1122>
References: <200711270143.lAR1hJXq019963@databaseadvisors.com>
	<02d001c830c3$fe7a6810$2557a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <000c01c830fa$c4846f70$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

A.D.:

I put in just the two lines:

    DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
    DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide

to turn it off and sent it over to the client.  Worked perfectly.  So we'll
add it to the local options form so each user can decide whether they want
the Nav pane on or off.  

Thanks and regards,

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

Rocky,

    No need to put it on every form. It is for you to decide as to which
form is most convenient for carrying out this action. Typically, the
switchboard form (which is usually the start up form) could be considered
for such role.

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 21:39
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane


  A.D.:

  Does the code:

      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
      DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide

  have to appear in each form, or just called once from the opening form?

  Thanks and regards,

  Rocky  


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.TEJPAL
  Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:26 PM
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
  Cc: A.D.TEJPAL
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2K7 Navigation Pane

  Rocky,

      A convenient arrangement would be to have two command buttons named
  CmdHide and CmdShow on a form so as to hide or show the NavPane window in
  Access 2007. If the user is in a position to ensure that forms group in
  NavPane is never put in collapsed state, the code applicable in Access 2K
&
  2K3, as given below, would work in A2K7 as well.

  Code in form's module - A2K7
  (Forms group in NavPane must not be in collapsed state)
  ========================================
  Private Sub CmdHide_Click()    
      ' Make NavPane the active window and hide it
      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
      DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowHide
  End Sub
  '-------------------------------------------------------

  Private Sub CmdShow_Click()
      DoCmd.SelectObject acForm, , True
  End Sub
  ========================================

      The simple solution given above will not work if the forms group in
  NavPane window is in collapsed state. This is because hiding the NavPane
can
  get implemented only if the focus stays on NavPane window during execution
  of acCmdWindowHide command. However when an attempt is made in Access 2007
  to activate the NavPane via DoCmd.SelectObject method while the pertinent
  object group is in collapsed state, the focus reverts back to the active
  form. This results in acCmdWindowHide command taking effect on the form
  itself instead of the intended target (NavPane). Thus you land up with
  hiding the form itself, instead of the NavPane.

      Remedy lies in hiding all active forms and reports prior to hiding the
  NavPane, and thereafter, un-hiding the forms & reports. Of course no other
  object like table or query should be in open state.

      It is observed that it is not necessary to select any specific object
in
  NavPane. This argument in DoCmd.SelectObject statement can be left blank
  Mere selection of a type group (acForm, acTable etc) is adequate. If the
  group mentioned in DoCmd.SelectObject method does not yet have any object,
  it will not force that group's title bar to show up in the NavPane if not
  already visible (otherwise it will). This however does not detract from
  effectiveness of proposed approach and even such an empty group serves
  satisfactorily as an argument to DoCmd.SelectObject method.

      Sample code in form's module, as given below, will ensure effective
  hiding / un-hiding of NavPane window under all situations, even if all
  object groups in NavPane are in collapsed state. Although this code is
meant
  for Access 2007, it can be used in Access 2003 as well (statements meant
for
  hiding / un-hiding of active forms / reports are however not needed in
  Access 2003).

      It permits unrestricted number of forms / reports to stay in open
state.
  It is also ensured that while cycling through forms/reports for bulk
hiding/
  unhiding, any forms kept deliberately hidden to start with, continue in
this
  state while other temporarily hidden objects are made visible again.

  Best wishes,
  A.D.Tejpal
  ------------
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 08:57:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:57:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] test
Message-ID: <000001c83105$d8d4ee90$647aa8c0@M90>

test

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 08:58:39 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
Message-ID: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>

I would love to do that but the "details" always get in the way.  My office
is up in "the attic", in a "bonus room" kind of thing above my bedroom.
Thus on the other side of the office wall is the rest of the attic for the
house.  I can certainly run a cable through there.  The problem is that the
attic gets well over 130 degrees F during the day in the summer and so no
electronics are going to like that environment.  Thus I would have to snake
the cable down a wall to get it into the house.  And therein lies the
problem, I don't know how to do that.  Not to mention all the nasty
fiberglass insulation and stuff. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

John,

  Just do a single run of Cat5e (6 if you might go to gigabit) over to the
other end of the house and put a WAP on the end of it and be done with it.

  You'll have plenty of coverage for the entire house that way.

  You can do this on the cheap to if you have another wireless router laying
around.  Just plug the cable into one of the ports (not the Internet Port),
disable all the routing type functions (DHCP, etc), assign a static IP to
the box, and it will act as a wireless access point.

Jim.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:29:27 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:29:27 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270729h49a68a3cv470ba57bfc964bc1@mail.gmail.com>

Actually snaking cable through wood stud walls is pretty easy if you
get the right tool. I bought a wire snake or fish tape maybe it's
called at one o the home supply stores a few years back and it really
works well.

This looks like mine.
http://www.mytoolstore.com/klein/kln21.html

Espeically if you have good access to the wall cavity at either end of
the run. You would need to cut a hole in the wall where the cable
would end up and then you could fish that fish tape through to the
other end. You might als need to drill a hole though the wood at the
top of the wall for the wire to go through. But maybe not. Then you
just go down along between the insulation and the sheetrock inside the
wall. It would help a lot to have two people so one can watch for the
end to appear in the hole or out the top of the wall depending on
which way you are going. Then you just attach the cable you are
running to the end of the fish tape and pull it through. I've used
mine to run Speaker wires, Coax for TV cable, phone wire and ethernet
at various times. It's still WORK of course and it takes some time but
once you do it you will wonder why you didn't do it before. Now if
there are block walls or brick walls or if you have to go several
floors its s bit tougher but still not impossible.

GK.

On 11/27/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> I would love to do that but the "details" always get in the way.  My office
> is up in "the attic", in a "bonus room" kind of thing above my bedroom.
> Thus on the other side of the office wall is the rest of the attic for the
> house.  I can certainly run a cable through there.  The problem is that the
> attic gets well over 130 degrees F during the day in the summer and so no
> electronics are going to like that environment.  Thus I would have to snake
> the cable down a wall to get it into the house.  And therein lies the
> problem, I don't know how to do that.  Not to mention all the nasty
> fiberglass insulation and stuff.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com


-- 
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garykjos at gmail.com


From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:29:46 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:29:46 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] test
In-Reply-To: <000001c83105$d8d4ee90$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000001c83105$d8d4ee90$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270729i1bc75366pcdfdb2ba05b4938c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John!

On 11/27/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> test
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:37:59 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:37:59 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com>

My Linksys router also works all over our house. It's in the basement
and my wife's laptop is normally on the first floor and it works fine.
She has also used it in the bedroom on the second floor with no
problem. I have used my laptoip outside on the deck with no trouble
and fast speed and out in the driveway in front of the garage which is
quite a long distance and above the routers location. The room the
computer is in is directly under the kitchen so the refrigerator would
be in between the router and much of the rest of the house. I was not
able to see my router from across the street at my neighbors house
though. I can see 3 or 4 other neighbors routers from my house though
if I go looking for a connection.

GK

On 11/26/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap linxus wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I also use it outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of house)and I have gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little slower there).  Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and printing.
>
> I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
> > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same problem -
> > weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
> >
> > I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). They're
> > rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless security issue,
> > plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and uses you house wiring.
> >
> >
> > So no more wireless.
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion of
> > Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which have a
> > bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up the strongest
> > signal and uses that for talking to the wireless computers (mostly laptops).
> > I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically because
> > Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has poor reception.
> > I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, with the
> > old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the same, or slightly
> > poorer reception via this new router in her office. However if I take her
> > laptop on out to the dining room at the far end of the house, the signal
> > strength is definitely higher, by about 6db on average and sometimes more,
> > than the old router.
> >
> > I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb wireless
> > to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room at the far end of
> > the house, so it is encouraging that I get that much better reception down
> > there. I already have an old Series 1 Tivo down in the bedroom directly
> > below my office, and am buying a bridge to put on it to get the wireless
> > down to it. Currently I am running a cable down the stairs and manually
> > connecting it to the Series 1 once a week to phone home. Yuk!
> >
> > I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new one "in
> > parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 switch immediately
> > behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless routers in to that. Thus I
> > can have a wireless system (the new one) that talks to the internet, but not
> > to my internal (business) LAN. The original router will talk to the
> > internet as well but will have its firewall between the internal LAN and the
> > new router. All of the Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will
> > all talk to the internet through the new router and not be behind the
> > business firewall (the old wireless router).
> >
> > The hoops we jump through.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
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> > 4:24 PM
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Nov 27 09:50:51 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:50:51 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
	<aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of the condo and
my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out of direct
line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

My Linksys router also works all over our house. It's in the basement
and my wife's laptop is normally on the first floor and it works fine.
She has also used it in the bedroom on the second floor with no problem.
I have used my laptoip outside on the deck with no trouble and fast
speed and out in the driveway in front of the garage which is quite a
long distance and above the routers location. The room the computer is
in is directly under the kitchen so the refrigerator would be in between
the router and much of the rest of the house. I was not able to see my
router from across the street at my neighbors house though. I can see 3
or 4 other neighbors routers from my house though if I go looking for a
connection.

GK

On 11/26/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a small single level house(about 1600sq.ft)...I have a cheap
linxus wireless router...and have no issue anywhere in the house.  I
also use it outside on the deck(back of house) in the garage(front of
house)and I have gone as far as sitting at my neighbors house( a little
slower there).  Mostly for internet, but also for file sharing and
printing.
>
> I have been to both of your houses...and I believe both are multi
level...which makes me wonder how directional wireless routers are?
>
> Mark A. Matte
>
>
> > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 10:58:24 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > John:
> >
> > I struggled with the wireless thing for a couple of years. Same 
> > problem - weak signal even after I upgraded to the Netgear Rangemax.
> >
> > I solved the problem with the Netgear wall-plugged bridge (XE102). 
> > They're rock solid, no installation, no configuration, no wireless 
> > security issue, plug and play. It's like a hard wired connection and
uses you house wiring.
> >
> >
> > So no more wireless.
> >
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 10:24 AM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'; 'Discussion 
> > of Hardware and Software issues'
> > Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > Santa dropped off one of those new routers (Netgear WPN824v2) which 
> > have a bunch of antennas and dynamically selects the one picking up 
> > the strongest signal and uses that for talking to the wireless
computers (mostly laptops).
> > I have to say that it kinda sorta works. I bought it specifically 
> > because Mary's laptop, down a floor and a couple of rooms over, has
poor reception.
> > I use Network Stumbler to test signal strength. After the install, 
> > with the old router still out there, her laptop gets roughly the 
> > same, or slightly poorer reception via this new router in her 
> > office. However if I take her laptop on out to the dining room at 
> > the far end of the house, the signal strength is definitely higher, 
> > by about 6db on average and sometimes more, than the old router.
> >
> > I am looking to buy my wife a Tivo Series 2 and will need the usb 
> > wireless to do the phone home stuff. It will be in the living room 
> > at the far end of the house, so it is encouraging that I get that 
> > much better reception down there. I already have an old Series 1 
> > Tivo down in the bedroom directly below my office, and am buying a 
> > bridge to put on it to get the wireless down to it. Currently I am 
> > running a cable down the stairs and manually connecting it to the
Series 1 once a week to phone home. Yuk!
> >
> > I am looking to keep the old router in place however and put the new

> > one "in parallel", i.e. I will place a plain old vanilla 10/100 
> > switch immediately behind the cable modem, then plug BOTH wireless 
> > routers in to that. Thus I can have a wireless system (the new one) 
> > that talks to the internet, but not to my internal (business) LAN. 
> > The original router will talk to the internet as well but will have 
> > its firewall between the internal LAN and the new router. All of the

> > Tivos and my wife's laptop and my son's laptop will all talk to the 
> > internet through the new router and not be behind the business
firewall (the old wireless router).
> >
> > The hoops we jump through.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.7/1151 - Release Date: 
> > 11/25/2007
> > 4:24 PM
> >
> >
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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 27 09:52:07 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:52:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>


Hmmm...Just happen to live near you...have some skills...and I already have the "fish tape".

Let me know.

Mark


> From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:58:39 -0500
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> I would love to do that but the "details" always get in the way. My office
> is up in "the attic", in a "bonus room" kind of thing above my bedroom.
> Thus on the other side of the office wall is the rest of the attic for the
> house. I can certainly run a cable through there. The problem is that the
> attic gets well over 130 degrees F during the day in the summer and so no
> electronics are going to like that environment. Thus I would have to snake
> the cable down a wall to get it into the house. And therein lies the
> problem, I don't know how to do that. Not to mention all the nasty
> fiberglass insulation and stuff.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John,
>
> Just do a single run of Cat5e (6 if you might go to gigabit) over to the
> other end of the house and put a WAP on the end of it and be done with it.
>
> You'll have plenty of coverage for the entire house that way.
>
> You can do this on the cheap to if you have another wireless router laying
> around. Just plug the cable into one of the ports (not the Internet Port),
> disable all the routing type functions (DHCP, etc), assign a static IP to
> the box, and it will act as a wireless access point.
>
> Jim.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 10:45:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:45:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>
References: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c83114$e4d413b0$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  "Near" is not an adjective I would use, "easy afternoon drive" would
be more like it.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


Hmmm...Just happen to live near you...have some skills...and I already have
the "fish tape".

Let me know.

Mark


> From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:58:39 -0500
> Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> I would love to do that but the "details" always get in the way. My 
> office is up in "the attic", in a "bonus room" kind of thing above my
bedroom.
> Thus on the other side of the office wall is the rest of the attic for 
> the house. I can certainly run a cable through there. The problem is 
> that the attic gets well over 130 degrees F during the day in the 
> summer and so no electronics are going to like that environment. Thus 
> I would have to snake the cable down a wall to get it into the house. 
> And therein lies the problem, I don't know how to do that. Not to 
> mention all the nasty fiberglass insulation and stuff.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 8:32 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> John,
>
> Just do a single run of Cat5e (6 if you might go to gigabit) over to 
> the other end of the house and put a WAP on the end of it and be done with
it.
>
> You'll have plenty of coverage for the entire house that way.
>
> You can do this on the cheap to if you have another wireless router 
> laying around. Just plug the cable into one of the ports (not the 
> Internet Port), disable all the routing type functions (DHCP, etc), 
> assign a static IP to the box, and it will act as a wireless access point.
>
> Jim.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 10:46:24 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:46:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl>
	<aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com>

Yea Linksys!  ;-)

3 for 3!

GK

On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of the condo and
> my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out of direct
> line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> My Linksys router also works all over our house.

-- 
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garykjos at gmail.com


From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 10:47:40 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:47:40 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>
References: <000101c83105$ff27e020$647aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY127-W33AF1FF195E23D90346F6AD2760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711270847h48003aa0qb9e54c8a0b73ae46@mail.gmail.com>

There you go. Once you have done it or seen it done it seems a lot
less difficult.

GK

On 11/27/07, Mark A Matte <markamatte at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm...Just happen to live near you...have some skills...and I already have the "fish tape".
>
> Let me know.
>
> Mark
>

-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 11:04:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:04:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl><aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>

My original router is a dlink, and it does work, however it seems that the
specific location of my wife's laptop may be in a dead spot or something.
Not dead exactly, she does have internet, it is just slow 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

Yea Linksys!  ;-)

3 for 3!

GK

On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of the condo and 
> my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out of direct 
> line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>
> My Linksys router also works all over our house.

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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 27 11:21:37 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:21:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD]  More Web Stuff
In-Reply-To: <001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl><aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com> 
	<001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W10AA39A9ED7D26ADAC3DB2D2760@phx.gbl>


Hello All,

Anyone familiar with http://www.caspio.com

Its claims to be a wizard to move access dbs to the web.

Ideas?

Thanks,

mark
_________________________________________________________________
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Nov 27 11:45:15 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 17:45:15 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <023d01c8311d$452849e0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>

C'mon folks. This should be on the dbaTech list. There are dark mutterings
about the level of OT on the main list and I have to admit there is quite an
epidemic. So enough of this one please, and over to dbaTech or OT.

Thanks.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 27 November 2007 17:05
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> 
> 
> My original router is a dlink, and it does work, however it 
> seems that the specific location of my wife's laptop may be 
> in a dead spot or something. Not dead exactly, she does have 
> internet, it is just slow 
> 
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:46 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> 
> Yea Linksys!  ;-)
> 
> 3 for 3!
> 
> GK
> 
> On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> > My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of 
> the condo and
> > my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out 
> of direct 
> > line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
> >
> > My Linksys router also works all over our house.
> 
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
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> 
> 





From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 27 13:25:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:25:00 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] More Web Stuff
References: <004201c83059$89c327b0$647aa8c0@M90><009301c8305e$526578e0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><BAY127-W23ABBC6D4264C96B17F701D2750@phx.gbl><aea6c4950711270737m43e31a5k51ecac27246bcbe@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703EBE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><aea6c4950711270846s4334c756qd792806d918bf431@mail.gmail.com>
	<001a01c83117$9b2aa050$647aa8c0@M90>
	<BAY127-W10AA39A9ED7D26ADAC3DB2D2760@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000e01c8312b$346f4000$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...to THEIR web and THEIR db.
William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark A Matte" <markamatte at hotmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: [AccessD] More Web Stuff


>
> Hello All,
>
> Anyone familiar with http://www.caspio.com
>
> Its claims to be a wizard to move access dbs to the web.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Thanks,
>
> mark
> _________________________________________________________________
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 27 13:32:19 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:32:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
References: <023d01c8311d$452849e0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000d01c8312c$3a03d1b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...dark mutterings? ...you've read one too many Harry Potter books :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


> C'mon folks. This should be on the dbaTech list. There are dark mutterings
> about the level of OT on the main list and I have to admit there is quite 
> an
> epidemic. So enough of this one please, and over to dbaTech or OT.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: 27 November 2007 17:05
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>>
>>
>> My original router is a dlink, and it does work, however it
>> seems that the specific location of my wife's laptop may be
>> in a dead spot or something. Not dead exactly, she does have
>> internet, it is just slow
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>>
>> Yea Linksys!  ;-)
>>
>> 3 for 3!
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>> > My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of
>> the condo and
>> > my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out
>> of direct
>> > line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
>> >
>> > Charlotte Foust
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>> >
>> > My Linksys router also works all over our house.
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>> --
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>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Nov 27 13:43:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:43:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
In-Reply-To: <000d01c8312c$3a03d1b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <023d01c8311d$452849e0$3183d355@minster33c3r25>
	<000d01c8312c$3a03d1b0$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <003001c8312d$d60377e0$647aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.  I was about to ask if the mutterings were coming from the "pure
bloods". 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router

...dark mutterings? ...you've read one too many Harry Potter books :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router


> C'mon folks. This should be on the dbaTech list. There are dark mutterings
> about the level of OT on the main list and I have to admit there is quite 
> an
> epidemic. So enough of this one please, and over to dbaTech or OT.
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: 27 November 2007 17:05
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>>
>>
>> My original router is a dlink, and it does work, however it
>> seems that the specific location of my wife's laptop may be
>> in a dead spot or something. Not dead exactly, she does have
>> internet, it is just slow
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 11:46 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>>
>> Yea Linksys!  ;-)
>>
>> 3 for 3!
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On 11/27/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>> > My LinkSys wireless gateway is upstairs in one corner of
>> the condo and
>> > my laptop is usually downstairs in a well shielded spot out
>> of direct
>> > line of anything.  It works just fine everywhere I've tried.
>> >
>> > Charlotte Foust
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 7:38 AM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] MIMO-G router
>> >
>> > My Linksys router also works all over our house.
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>> --
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>>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Nov 27 16:03:41 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:03:41 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
Message-ID: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>

I'm in the midst of redoing all of my insurance and I was wondering what
kind of Professional Liability Insurance coverage you all have.
 

John B.





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Nov 27 16:32:08 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:32:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
In-Reply-To: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <20071127223215.5D64F253ED@smtp-out-01.usinternet.com>

Zero!

I'm incorporated and work at home.  So the most anyone could get out of me
would be my computer equipment.  But no one is going to initiate a lawsuit
over that amount of money.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 4:04 PM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage

I'm in the midst of redoing all of my insurance and I was wondering what
kind of Professional Liability Insurance coverage you all have.
 

John B.



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Nov 27 16:33:12 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:33:12 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
In-Reply-To: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I don't carry it.  When I had the office I had the usual coverage for theft,
fire, and broken leg.  But no professional or E&O insurance.  But I'm
incorporated which covers my assets.   

For The Sleep Advisor I looked into it because it's a quasi-medical app.
$50k for openers.  If they'd have us.

So we dropped the idea. 


Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:04 PM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage

I'm in the midst of redoing all of my insurance and I was wondering what
kind of Professional Liability Insurance coverage you all have.
 

John B.



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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Nov 27 17:57:28 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 18:57:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...a word of caution here ...incorporation protection varies significantly 
by state and structure you choose ...some states protect your "homestead" 
including personal property ...some protect only up to a set value ...and in 
some states if you are the primary beneficiary of a privately held 
corporation, especially a "c", you may not really have any corporate shield 
at all ...if you have any doubts, the best advice is to call your lawyer for 
an answer.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage


>I don't carry it.  When I had the office I had the usual coverage for 
>theft,
> fire, and broken leg.  But no professional or E&O insurance.  But I'm
> incorporated which covers my assets.
>
> For The Sleep Advisor I looked into it because it's a quasi-medical app.
> $50k for openers.  If they'd have us.
>
> So we dropped the idea.
>
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 2:04 PM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Professional Liability Insurance Coverage
>
> I'm in the midst of redoing all of my insurance and I was wondering what
> kind of Professional Liability Insurance coverage you all have.
>
>
> John B.
>
>
>
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> No virus found in this incoming message.
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Nov 27 20:38:17 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:38:17 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com><005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Folks:

I have an application written in Access 97 (yes, some people refuse to
upgrade ...), and have been getting reports back from the client regarding
some db problems. The db is a FE/BE configuration, with the BE on a network
share in a peer-to-peer network. 

1. They're experiencing wierdness when entering records ... Sometimes the
new record switches to an existing record. 
2. They can't pull up (or only sometimes) linked word documents.

This db has been cooking along quite nicely for over 10 yrs ... I'm thinking
that the problems they're experiencing are either network related or due to
a firewall being overly assertive. But perhaps this could be a corruption of
the BE?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645




From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Nov 27 23:10:32 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 21:10:32 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com>
	<005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <C0B9C313EF284BDDAF1D9BF7211642EE@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Larry:

Maybe you could check the database. I have had problems with databases that
got stopped a few times when the server was abruptly shutdown through
carelessness or maybe even a power outage.

If the site has been running successfully for a number of years and none of
the above are obviously the cause, my first thought would be that some
updating on the network is not compatible with the old DB. 

Access97 is not totally happy in a network environment where stations are
running an OS later than Windown2000. XP home edition is very unreliable on
a network, from my experience and I would never recommend that version for a
business... that is what XP Pro is for.

HTH

Jim
   
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 6:38 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions

Hi Folks:

I have an application written in Access 97 (yes, some people refuse to
upgrade ...), and have been getting reports back from the client regarding
some db problems. The db is a FE/BE configuration, with the BE on a network
share in a peer-to-peer network. 

1. They're experiencing wierdness when entering records ... Sometimes the
new record switches to an existing record. 
2. They can't pull up (or only sometimes) linked word documents.

This db has been cooking along quite nicely for over 10 yrs ... I'm thinking
that the problems they're experiencing are either network related or due to
a firewall being overly assertive. But perhaps this could be a corruption of
the BE?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Nov 28 00:46:09 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 01:46:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com><005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <000701c8318a$5c501860$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

Simplest first. Have you actually defined the problem yourself rather than 
relying on user reports? Your post makes it appear that you might not have 
actually done so as yet ...imnsho, users are almost always wrong in defining 
problems in a manner that enables you to address them effectively ...thy 
just don't see it with your eyes.

Do you/they have archive/master copies that don't exhibit the behavior? Hope 
they are doing daily backups.

Have you done a full decompile of both mdbs? With A97, you have to follow 
the steps very carefully or the decompile does not work as intended.

If none of the above clears the problem, try a system restore to a date 
prior to the problem first appearing to see if any system software changes 
have caused it. Look especially for any changes in AV software configuration 
or for changes in macro security settings. A97 was very susseptible to 
tamper protection schemes and heuristic type background scanning.

...just hit me but you didn't say what their OS is ...if its anything less 
than XP Pro, you ought to just Colbyize them and be done with it ...and if 
they installed Vista on even one system, start there.

Isolate any hardware/firmware changes in the environment ...or possibly a 
faulty nic on the workgroup share ...A97 was very intolerant of nic faults 
ime and they were the primary cause of intermittant problems.

...and for heaven's sake, upgrade them to AXP already ...if they are too 
cheap to buy Office upgrades, at least put them on a runtime of Access 2002 
...with the current prices on e-bay for such, its ridiculous for them not to 
do so.

hth

William


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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions


> Hi Folks:
>
> I have an application written in Access 97 (yes, some people refuse to
> upgrade ...), and have been getting reports back from the client regarding
> some db problems. The db is a FE/BE configuration, with the BE on a 
> network
> share in a peer-to-peer network.
>
> 1. They're experiencing wierdness when entering records ... Sometimes the
> new record switches to an existing record.
> 2. They can't pull up (or only sometimes) linked word documents.
>
> This db has been cooking along quite nicely for over 10 yrs ... I'm 
> thinking
> that the problems they're experiencing are either network related or due 
> to
> a firewall being overly assertive. But perhaps this could be a corruption 
> of
> the BE?
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
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> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 03:51:22 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:51:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
Message-ID: <s74d484b.005@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

That is not our experience. We see no difference in reliability between WinXP Home and Pro running on brand named hardware, and Access 97 runs rock steady on any Win OS from Win95 to XP (we have yet to experience some heavy use on Vista). 

/gustav

>>> accessd at shaw.ca 28-11-2007 06:10 >>>

Access97 is not totally happy in a network environment where stations are
running an OS later than Windown2000. XP home edition is very unreliable on
a network, from my experience and I would never recommend that version for a
business... that is what XP Pro is for.





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 03:54:39 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 10:54:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
Message-ID: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>

Hi William

So true. We have cooked this down to an in-house motto: Users lie.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 28-11-2007 07:46 >>>
Simplest first. Have you actually defined the problem yourself rather than 
relying on user reports? Your post makes it appear that you might not have 
actually done so as yet ...imnsho, users are almost always wrong in defining 
problems in a manner that enables you to address them effectively ...thy 
just don't see it with your eyes.





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Nov 28 05:48:45 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:48:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F6F@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I was wondering if someone has a VBA based  "HTML code stripper"  to
share with me?

 

The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.

 

thx

 

 

 

 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 06:23:13 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:23:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74d6be0.017@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

How about the rich text component of Access 2007? This isn't Rich Text (RTF) based but HTML based.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 12:48 >>>
I was wondering if someone has a VBA based  "HTML code stripper"  to
share with me?

The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.





From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Nov 28 05:27:25 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:27:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Hi Erwin
Sorry, I'm not replying because I have one but it's a nice idea. Iwonder
though if stripping is enough. Wouldn't you want to change <br> to vbCrLf,
and &nbsp; to a space? And I'm no HTML expert so there may be others that
need conversion rather than removal.

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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 06:29:46 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:29:46 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74d6d55.018@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Or use the free ActiveX String Component from ChilkatSoft:

http://www.example-code.com/asp/asp_html_entity_decode.asp 

/gustav


>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 12:48 >>>
I was wondering if someone has a VBA based  "HTML code stripper"  to
share with me?

The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.





From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Nov 28 07:35:08 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:35:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>
References: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00e601c831c3$7e57b4c0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Yes, users occassionally are "truth challenged". 

The funny thing about this issue is that the application has been solid for
the past 10 years, other than the occassional enhancement, It has happily
cooked along. 

I'm first going to look at the network issues, as well as the backend for
corruption. 

(and I'll probably get them on Access XP, if only to remove the need for
having Access97 on my machine).

Larry Mrazek
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions

Hi William

So true. We have cooked this down to an in-house motto: Users lie.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 28-11-2007 07:46 >>>
Simplest first. Have you actually defined the problem yourself rather than
relying on user reports? Your post makes it appear that you might not have
actually done so as yet ...imnsho, users are almost always wrong in defining
problems in a manner that enables you to address them effectively ...thy
just don't see it with your eyes.



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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 28 09:38:55 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:38:55 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
In-Reply-To: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D6DB8A965F4548499462247C161316A0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Erwin:

I have always just opened a page in the browser and simply cut and pasted
from there. Do you want an automated process?

Jim

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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Nov 28 09:56:39 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 07:56:39 -0800
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>
References: <s74d4901.006@cactus.dk>
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LOL!  Hear, hear!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:55 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions

Hi William

So true. We have cooked this down to an in-house motto: Users lie.

/gustav

>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 28-11-2007 07:46 >>>
Simplest first. Have you actually defined the problem yourself rather
than relying on user reports? Your post makes it appear that you might
not have actually done so as yet ...imnsho, users are almost always
wrong in defining problems in a manner that enables you to address them
effectively ...thy just don't see it with your eyes.



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From markamatte at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 10:53:11 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:53:11 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
In-Reply-To: <009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com><005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local> 
	<009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W705BD916D75915A4E4E87D2770@phx.gbl>


Larry,

I have read everyone else's feedback...and if these are truely the symptoms...I have seen similar issues that were not DB related...but they were not related to each other either.

1.  A new mouse can cause this type of issue.  I have seen it with the 'side buttons' that actually act as a 'BACK' button...and the mouse wheel will scroll back through records.

2. Not so sure about this one...but have seen something similar depending on version of word...and how the DB calls word...and whether or not it is already open.

Just thoughts.

Mark A. Matte


> From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:38:17 -0600
> Subject: [AccessD] Troubleshooting Opinions
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> I have an application written in Access 97 (yes, some people refuse to
> upgrade ...), and have been getting reports back from the client regarding
> some db problems. The db is a FE/BE configuration, with the BE on a network
> share in a peer-to-peer network.
>
> 1. They're experiencing wierdness when entering records ... Sometimes the
> new record switches to an existing record.
> 2. They can't pull up (or only sometimes) linked word documents.
>
> This db has been cooking along quite nicely for over 10 yrs ... I'm thinking
> that the problems they're experiencing are either network related or due to
> a firewall being overly assertive. But perhaps this could be a corruption of
> the BE?
>
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Nov 28 11:20:26 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:20:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F75@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Well indeed.

Converting of hyperlinks etc would be nice to.



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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin
Sorry, I'm not replying because I have one but it's a nice idea. Iwonder
though if stripping is enough. Wouldn't you want to change <br> to
vbCrLf,
and &nbsp; to a space? And I'm no HTML expert so there may be others
that
need conversion rather than removal.

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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









Erwin Craps

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From krosenstiel at comcast.net  Wed Nov 28 12:29:36 2007
From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (krosenstiel at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:29:36 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <112820071829.9326.474DB3900001C1A60000246E2216557996040A079B9C020A9C019D05@comcast.net>

Seems to me all you really need is a macro in your text editor to remove <*.*> from your docuement.

--
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Seattle WA USA

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
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> Well indeed.
> 
> Converting of hyperlinks etc would be nice to.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:27 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
> 
> Hi Erwin
> Sorry, I'm not replying because I have one but it's a nice idea. Iwonder
> though if stripping is enough. Wouldn't you want to change <br> to
> vbCrLf,
> and &nbsp; to a space? And I'm no HTML expert so there may be others
> that
> need conversion rather than removal.
> 
> --
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> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> --------- Original Message --------
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> To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
> Date: 28/11/07 11:54
> 
> 
> I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
> share with me?
> 
> 
> 
> The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
> a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
> stored in a database.
> 
> 
> 
> thx
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Erwin Craps
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Nov 28 12:39:17 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:39:17 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74dc409.012@cactus.dk>

Hi Karen

Oh no. Study the link I posted earlier today ...

/gustav

>>> krosenstiel at comcast.net 28-11-2007 19:29 >>>
Seems to me all you really need is a macro in your text editor to remove <*.*> from your docuement.





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Nov 28 13:40:30 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:40:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <20071128122729.4116D2B5A23@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<D6DB8A965F4548499462247C161316A0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F76@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.




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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin:

I have always just opened a page in the browser and simply cut and
pasted
from there. Do you want an automated process?

Jim

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Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Wed Nov 28 13:42:07 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:42:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <112820071829.9326.474DB3900001C1A60000246E2216557996040A079B9C020A9C019D05@comcast.net>
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That's what I thought, but it's not like that.



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Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Seems to me all you really need is a macro in your text editor to remove
<*.*> from your docuement.

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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Erwin Craps - IT Helps" <Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu>
> Well indeed.
> 
> Converting of hyperlinks etc would be nice to.
> 
> 
> 
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> Hi Erwin
> Sorry, I'm not replying because I have one but it's a nice idea.
Iwonder
> though if stripping is enough. Wouldn't you want to change <br> to
> vbCrLf,
> and &nbsp; to a space? And I'm no HTML expert so there may be others
> that
> need conversion rather than removal.
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> Date: 28/11/07 11:54
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> 
> I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
> share with me?
> 
> 
> 
> The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained
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be
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> 
> 
> 
> thx
> 
> 
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:10:24 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:10:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the double-post but I'm desperate.

I'm trying to change cell formulae in Excel using VBA code and am running
into two different problems (well, maybe problem 2 will disappear when I
figure out problem 1).

I have a string stored like this:

Dim strFormula as String
strFormula "=VLOOKUP(A6,'S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV Files\Sep
07\[# of securities.xls]SOI'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"

I am trying to assign it to the formula of a cell like this:

Range("E6").Formula = strFormula


What happens is that it gets pasted in as text, NOT as the formula. I tried
removing the equals sign and assigning the rest to the formula of the cell,
but that didn't work either.

I'm way behind on a deadline and I have to get this working. Any assistance
greatly appreciated!

TIA,
Arthur


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Nov 28 14:14:13 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:14:13 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
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A relatively simple way would be to open it with a browser, and just
read the text of it:

brwWebBrowser.Document.Body.innertext

where bwWebBrowser would be an instance of IE.

Drew

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.




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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin:

I have always just opened a page in the browser and simply cut and
pasted
from there. Do you want an automated process?

Jim

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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









Erwin Craps

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From jwelz at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:17:06 2007
From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:17:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
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Arthur:
 
Here is an example from code I use where M refers to a named range cell in a sheet:
 
                .Cells(14, 4).Select                .ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1 = "=IF(M=0,Tender!RC[-1],Tender!RC[-1]*Tender!RC[11])"CiaoJ?rgen WelzEdmonton, Albertajwelz at hotmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:10:24 -0500> From: fuller.artful at gmail.com> To: dba-tech at databaseadvisors.com; accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel> > Sorry for the double-post but I'm desperate.> > I'm trying to change cell formulae in Excel using VBA code and am running> into two different problems (well, maybe problem 2 will disappear when I> figure out problem 1).> > I have a string stored like this:> > Dim strFormula as String> strFormula "=VLOOKUP(A6,'S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV Files\Sep> 07\[# of securities.xls]SOI'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"> > I am trying to assign it to the formula of a cell like this:> > Range("E6").Formula = strFormula> > > What happens is that it gets pasted in as text, NOT as the formula. I tried> removing the equals sign and assigning the rest to the formula of the cell,> but that didn't work either.> > I'm way behind on a deadline and I have to get this working. Any assistance> greatly appreciated!> > TIA,> Arthur> -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Nov 28 14:21:42 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:21:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED74A7@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Try just 

	Range("E6") = strFormula

Works for me.

Lambert

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Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel


Sorry for the double-post but I'm desperate.

I'm trying to change cell formulae in Excel using VBA code and am running
into two different problems (well, maybe problem 2 will disappear when I
figure out problem 1).

I have a string stored like this:

Dim strFormula as String
strFormula "=VLOOKUP(A6,'S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV Files\Sep
07\[# of securities.xls]SOI'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"

I am trying to assign it to the formula of a cell like this:

Range("E6").Formula = strFormula


What happens is that it gets pasted in as text, NOT as the formula. I tried
removing the equals sign and assigning the rest to the formula of the cell,
but that didn't work either.

I'm way behind on a deadline and I have to get this working. Any assistance
greatly appreciated!

TIA,
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Nov 28 14:37:11 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:37:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
References: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

hi Arthur
Sorry I am not at work to really try this out before sending a answer
if I had a copy of the excel spreadsheet I could play with it a bit more and test 
But when building strings and I tend to put the " and ' in using the CHR()  and have gotten around many problems
 
Dim strFormula as String
strFormula = CHR(34) & "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) & 
strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)" & CHR(34)
 
or 
strFormula =  "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) & 
strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"  
 
HTH
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Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel



Sorry for the double-post but I'm desperate.

I'm trying to change cell formulae in Excel using VBA code and am running
into two different problems (well, maybe problem 2 will disappear when I
figure out problem 1).

I have a string stored like this:

Dim strFormula as String
strFormula "=VLOOKUP(A6,'S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV Files\Sep
07\[# of securities.xls]SOI'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"

I am trying to assign it to the formula of a cell like this:

Range("E6").Formula = strFormula


What happens is that it gets pasted in as text, NOT as the formula. I tried
removing the equals sign and assigning the rest to the formula of the cell,
but that didn't work either.

I'm way behind on a deadline and I have to get this working. Any assistance
greatly appreciated!

TIA,
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 14:54:22 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:54:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
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What's the R1C1 for, Jurgen?

Arthur

On Nov 28, 2007 3:17 PM, Jurgen Welz <jwelz at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Arthur:
>
> Here is an example from code I use where M refers to a named range cell in
> a sheet:
>
>                .Cells(14, 4).Select                .ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1
> = "=IF(M=0,Tender!RC[-1],Tender!RC[-1]*Tender!RC[11])"



> CiaoJ?rgen WelzEdmonton


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Nov 28 15:07:24 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:07:24 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370EB13@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I am using the API: Remove Close button from maximized forms from the
Access Web website.(www.mvps.org/access/api/aqpioo22.htm) It works great
on the first form in the DB that opens. On subsequent forms the result
is not as good. The form opens to full size with the blue bar across the
top. I use the following lines of code to run the function from the on
open event.

 

DoCmd.Restore

DoEvents

MaximizeRestoredForm Me

 

I have also tried it explicitly naming the form with the same result.

 

Thanks for your ideas.

 

 

 

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Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Nov 28 15:12:52 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:12:52 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
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	Y113-W41F4CD5D57CBA661171AC7A1770@phx.gbl> 
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Arthur,
This works for me, ie it places the formula in cell E6 correctly
 strFormula = "=VLOOKUP(A6,'C:\Documents and Settings\jhale\My Documents\[file1.xls]OutPut_Data'!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"
Range("E6").Formula = strFormula

HOWEVER if the cell E6 is formatted as text then it the sub pastes it in as a  text string. Check the cell formatting
Jim Hale

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 2:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel

What's the R1C1 for, Jurgen?

Arthur

On Nov 28, 2007 3:17 PM, Jurgen Welz <jwelz at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Arthur:
>
> Here is an example from code I use where M refers to a named range cell in
> a sheet:
>
>                .Cells(14, 4).Select                .ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1
> = "=IF(M=0,Tender!RC[-1],Tender!RC[-1]*Tender!RC[11])"



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From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:44:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
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	<BAY113-W41F4CD5D57CBA661171AC7A1770@phx.gbl>
	<29f585dd0711281254s2ef7992es85a4304f13c62f2d@mail.gmail.com>
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Never mind, I looked it up.

A.

On Nov 28, 2007 3:54 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:

> What's the R1C1 for, Jurgen?
>
> Arthur
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 3:17 PM, Jurgen Welz <jwelz at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Arthur:
> >
> > Here is an example from code I use where M refers to a named range cell
> > in a sheet:
> >
> >                .Cells(14, 4).Select
> >  .ActiveCell.FormulaR1C1 =
> > "=IF(M=0,Tender!RC[-1],Tender!RC[-1]*Tender!RC[11])"
>
>
>
> > CiaoJ?rgen WelzEdmonton
>
>
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Nov 28 17:07:36 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:07:36 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370EB13@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <20071128230746.197BF19FB0@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>

You can turn the Close button for forms on or off using each form's property
sheet.  I turn it off for every form.  Same for Min/Max.

Perhaps that would work . . .

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

I am using the API: Remove Close button from maximized forms from the
Access Web website.(www.mvps.org/access/api/aqpioo22.htm) It works great
on the first form in the DB that opens. On subsequent forms the result
is not as good. The form opens to full size with the blue bar across the
top. I use the following lines of code to run the function from the on
open event.

 

DoCmd.Restore

DoEvents

MaximizeRestoredForm Me

 

I have also tried it explicitly naming the form with the same result.

 

Thanks for your ideas.

 

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 17:39:53 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:39:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
References: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711281539l310b44f2g57fed833032a7486@mail.gmail.com>

Bizarrely enough, this appears to be the answer. Those accursed single
quotes! Who knew?

Arthur

On Nov 28, 2007 3:37 PM, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)
<Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
wrote:

> hi Arthur
> Sorry I am not at work to really try this out before sending a answer
> if I had a copy of the excel spreadsheet I could play with it a bit more
> and test
> But when building strings and I tend to put the " and ' in using the CHR()
>  and have gotten around many problems
>
> Dim strFormula as String
> strFormula = CHR(34) & "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) &
> strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV
> FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
> strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)" & CHR(34)
>
> or
> strFormula =  "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) &
> strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV
> FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
> strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"
>
> HTH
> Patti
>
>


From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Nov 28 17:58:39 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:58:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
References: <29f585dd0711281210j64aa846el1055ebdb3a034884@mail.gmail.com><01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
	<29f585dd0711281539l310b44f2g57fed833032a7486@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B3@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

Arthur
Glad it worked !!  Will add it to the list of " you better remember"  
For me with a last name of O'Connor and dealing with many legacy systems I have learned to try almost anything to work around.
 
Have a good evening
Patti
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Bizarrely enough, this appears to be the answer. Those accursed single
quotes! Who knew?

Arthur

On Nov 28, 2007 3:37 PM, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)
<Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
wrote:

> hi Arthur
> Sorry I am not at work to really try this out before sending a answer
> if I had a copy of the excel spreadsheet I could play with it a bit more
> and test
> But when building strings and I tend to put the " and ' in using the CHR()
>  and have gotten around many problems
>
> Dim strFormula as String
> strFormula = CHR(34) & "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) &
> strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV
> FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
> strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)" & CHR(34)
>
> or
> strFormula =  "=VBLOOKUP(A6," & CHR(39) &
> strFormula = strFormula & "S:\Lgroup\Fundacct\Excel\!INVPORT\CSV
> FILES\Sep07\[# of securities.xls]SOI"
> strFormula = strFormula & CHR(39) & "!$B$3:$C$100,2,TRUE)"
>
> HTH
> Patti
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 18:51:23 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:51:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Programmatically change cell formulae in Ecel
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B3@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
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	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B2@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
	<29f585dd0711281539l310b44f2g57fed833032a7486@mail.gmail.com>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B3@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711281651s3a62bafet7ca92da2f2854ace@mail.gmail.com>

Patti,

Given SQL Server's "respect" for single quotes, here's another trick (which
you may already know). When accepting a name such as O'Connor, do a Replace
of single quote with a pair of single quotes. That gets the data in as you
wanted. I ran into this very often in an app a while ago, and eventually
wrote a function to deal with it:

Function sqTo2sq( ByRef str as String )
   If Instr( str, Chr(39) ) > 0 then
      sqTo2sq = Replace( str, Chr(39), (Chr(39) & Chr(39) )
   End If
End Function

I didn't copy and paste, so this is the gmail compiler at not work. But
that's a best guess.

Arthur

On 11/28/07, O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA) <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
wrote:
>
> Arthur
> Glad it worked !!  Will add it to the list of " you better remember"
> For me with a last name of O'Connor and dealing with many legacy systems I
> have learned to try almost anything to work around.
>
> Have a good evening
> Patti
>


From scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com  Wed Nov 28 21:46:57 2007
From: scapistrant at symphonyinfo.com (steve)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 21:46:57 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Convert to 2007; Dependencies
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References: <200711272205.lARM526Y008312@databaseadvisors.com><005501c83145$7f1a65c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><001c01c83151$44849230$ef706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<009501c83167$bb5f32f0$036fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
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My initial attempts at converting Acc2000 mdbs to Acc07 have been not going
well.  It will convert, but at the end it tells me that Object Name
Dependencies must be mapped, and that Track Name Autocorrect must be turned
on, before the app will actually work.  I can see all the objects in the
left side navigation pane, and Acc07 presented me with a right pane showing
the Dependencies, but I can't figure out how to trigger that action. What am
I missing?  The converted file is essentially unworkable.

Coincidentally, I accidentally stumbled on that problem in the Acc2000
database (a 7 years old db) for the very first time today.  I pulled an
Front end table into design mode, and looked at its properties.  Then I get
that the very same Dependencies message that I've never seen before.
Happily, the dialog box offered to turn on Track AutoName Correct, and began
the process, which took about 15 minutes to do.  I don't know what's
different or why this is required.  I've always shied away from the
TrackNameAutocorrect because I don't like Access doing things without me
knowing.

Internet searches for this issue turn up very little.  Help!

Steve Capistrant
Symphony Information Services
www.symphonyinfo.com
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Phone:  763-391-7400 ext 801
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From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Nov 29 01:32:55 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:32:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CFD8@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F78@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

Thx Drew, I'll take a look at that.

I'm use now some HTML code to find a specific piece of text on the page,
so I will need to change that. But it's certainly worth to investigate.

Erwin


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:14 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

A relatively simple way would be to open it with a browser, and just
read the text of it:

brwWebBrowser.Document.Body.innertext

where bwWebBrowser would be an instance of IE.

Drew

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IT Helps
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 1:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.




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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 4:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin:

I have always just opened a page in the browser and simply cut and
pasted
from there. Do you want an automated process?

Jim

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Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Date: 28/11/07 11:54


I was wondering if someone has a VBA based "HTML code stripper" to
share with me?



The target is to strip all HTML code from a block of text obtained from
a downloaded HTML page with a plain simple text as a result that can be
stored in a database.



thx









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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 29 05:38:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:38:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74eb2d2.018@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Just curious, why wouldn't this control fit your purpose?
To me it seems exactly what you are looking for but I may be missing something.

<quote>
The Chilkat ASP String Component is freeware and may be used in any ASP application. To install, download and unzip the ASP String Component. Then copy the CkString.dll to a directory on your ASP Web Server and register it with regsvr32.exe.
The CkString.dll is a standard ActiveX component. It may also be used in Visual Basic 6.0, Delphi, Cold Fusion, Visual FoxPro, PowerBuilder, MFC, or any other programming language that supports ActiveX components.
</quote>

http://www.example-code.com/asp/aspstring.asp 

Example code here:

<snip>
set cks = Server.CreateObject("CkString.CkString")

' Strip HTML from a string.
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a testHere is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str + "<br>"

' Perhaps it's better to replace <br> tags with SPACE chars first...
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.ReplaceAll "<br>"," "
cks.ReplaceAll "<BR>"," "
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a test Here is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str
</snip>

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 20:40 >>>
I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.





From Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu  Thu Nov 29 06:07:06 2007
From: Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu (Erwin Craps - IT Helps)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:07:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
References: <s74eb2d2.018@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F7D@stekelbes.ithelps.local>

I thought it was a ASP for websites only!
Didn't see the "Strip HTML tags from a string" but only the " HTML
Entity Decode"
Mea culpa, I'll turn my but so you can kick it....

Rather like to have the VB code than the control, but it should do it...

Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin

Just curious, why wouldn't this control fit your purpose?
To me it seems exactly what you are looking for but I may be missing
something.

<quote>
The Chilkat ASP String Component is freeware and may be used in any ASP
application. To install, download and unzip the ASP String Component.
Then copy the CkString.dll to a directory on your ASP Web Server and
register it with regsvr32.exe.
The CkString.dll is a standard ActiveX component. It may also be used in
Visual Basic 6.0, Delphi, Cold Fusion, Visual FoxPro, PowerBuilder, MFC,
or any other programming language that supports ActiveX components.
</quote>

http://www.example-code.com/asp/aspstring.asp 

Example code here:

<snip>
set cks = Server.CreateObject("CkString.CkString")

' Strip HTML from a string.
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a
href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a testHere is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str + "<br>"

' Perhaps it's better to replace <br> tags with SPACE chars first...
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a
href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.ReplaceAll "<br>"," "
cks.ReplaceAll "<BR>"," "
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a test Here is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str
</snip>

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 20:40 >>>
I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Nov 29 06:26:14 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 13:26:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
Message-ID: <s74ebe1a.020@cactus.dk>

Hi Erwin

Good! That explains.
No kicking from here, but it would be nice if you posted your findings from experimenting with it.

Building an HTML parser yourself is an alternative but it's like reinventing the wheel.

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 29-11-2007 13:07 >>>
I thought it was a ASP for websites only!
Didn't see the "Strip HTML tags from a string" but only the " HTML
Entity Decode"
Mea culpa, I'll turn my but so you can kick it....

Rather like to have the VB code than the control, but it should do it...

Erwin



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 12:38 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] HTML code stripper

Hi Erwin

Just curious, why wouldn't this control fit your purpose?
To me it seems exactly what you are looking for but I may be missing
something.

<quote>
The Chilkat ASP String Component is freeware and may be used in any ASP
application. To install, download and unzip the ASP String Component.
Then copy the CkString.dll to a directory on your ASP Web Server and
register it with regsvr32.exe.
The CkString.dll is a standard ActiveX component. It may also be used in
Visual Basic 6.0, Delphi, Cold Fusion, Visual FoxPro, PowerBuilder, MFC,
or any other programming language that supports ActiveX components.
</quote>

http://www.example-code.com/asp/aspstring.asp 

Example code here:

<snip>
set cks = Server.CreateObject("CkString.CkString")

' Strip HTML from a string.
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a
href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a testHere is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str + "<br>"

' Perhaps it's better to replace <br> tags with SPACE chars first...
cks.Str = "<html><body><p>This is a test<br>Here is a <a
href=""http://www.chilkatsoft.com"">test link</a></p></body></html>"
cks.ReplaceAll "<br>"," "
cks.ReplaceAll "<BR>"," "
cks.StripHtml
' Prints "This is a test Here is a test link"
Response.Write cks.Str
</snip>

/gustav

>>> Erwin.Craps at ithelps.eu 28-11-2007 20:40 >>>
I already have the process automated, but I see that HTML code get's
into my database.

Things like <DIV> <b> color etc.
Some stuff I already replace/remove like <br> 

I just want plain simple text in this case.





From bbruen at unwired.com.au  Thu Nov 29 07:04:13 2007
From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce Bruen)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:04:13 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] HTML code stripper
In-Reply-To: <430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F78@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2C0CFD8@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<430E80531228BA4497C5EB1A7BA786B0276F78@stekelbes.ithelps.local>
Message-ID: <200711300004.13685.bbruen@unwired.com.au>

.Innertext will only return the complete html of the tag it is invoked on.
This includes all tags, scripting and booofle contained therein.

I have never yet been successful at html "scraping".  At best you can locate 
and extract [bold]well constructed[/bold] and [bold]for want of a better 
phrase, "well formed"[/bold] information.

However, the problems are:
1) the html page syntax can change, almost daily.
2) the paucious (specious?) html specification means that tag (mis)matching 
breaks the syntax parsing continually.

Much better to investigate whether there is an xml feed equivalent.

regards
bruce

 


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Nov 29 07:44:30 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 07:44:30 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms
In-Reply-To: <20071128230746.197BF19FB0@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370EB13@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
	<20071128230746.197BF19FB0@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370ECC7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

The code actually removes the restore window button. The problem with
turning off the close button is that when a form is maximized in code
the button reaapears.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

You can turn the Close button for forms on or off using each form's
property
sheet.  I turn it off for every form.  Same for Min/Max.

Perhaps that would work . . .

Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

I am using the API: Remove Close button from maximized forms from the
Access Web website.(www.mvps.org/access/api/aqpioo22.htm) It works great
on the first form in the DB that opens. On subsequent forms the result
is not as good. The form opens to full size with the blue bar across the
top. I use the following lines of code to run the function from the on
open event.

 

DoCmd.Restore

DoEvents

MaximizeRestoredForm Me

 

I have also tried it explicitly naming the form with the same result.

 

Thanks for your ideas.

 

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Nov 29 08:04:28 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:04:28 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370ECC7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370EB13@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><20071128230746.197BF19FB0@smtp-out-02.usinternet.com>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220370ECC7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <000501c83290$c1da7ca0$0300a8c0@danwaters>

I just looked at one of my forms - try this:

Control Box = No
Min Max Buttons = None
Close Button = No
Whats This Button = No

This combination of property settings keeps everything not visible on my
forms (but I always have a separate Close button).  However, I haven't used
maximized forms so I haven't seen what that would do.

Good Luck
Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:45 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

The code actually removes the restore window button. The problem with
turning off the close button is that when a form is maximized in code
the button reaapears.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 5:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

You can turn the Close button for forms on or off using each form's
property
sheet.  I turn it off for every form.  Same for Min/Max.

Perhaps that would work . . .

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] API: Remove Close button from maximized forms

I am using the API: Remove Close button from maximized forms from the
Access Web website.(www.mvps.org/access/api/aqpioo22.htm) It works great
on the first form in the DB that opens. On subsequent forms the result
is not as good. The form opens to full size with the blue bar across the
top. I use the following lines of code to run the function from the on
open event.

 

DoCmd.Restore

DoEvents

MaximizeRestoredForm Me

 

I have also tried it explicitly naming the form with the same result.

 

Thanks for your ideas.

 

 

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Nov 29 22:01:23 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:01:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>

All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)

I wrote:
For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" & 
fld.Name & "])"
    qdfTrim.Execute
Next

When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
What's going on here?

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 



From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Thu Nov 29 23:52:06 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 00:52:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B5@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

I think you are getting field.NAME mixed up with the value in the field.VALUE.
 I am not at work so I can't verify the full statement but you could try
 
Dim oDB As DAO.Database
Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
Dim oFld As DAO.Field

Dim strTmp as string
Dim strSql as string
 
Set oDB = CurrentDb
Set oTbl = odb.TableDefs("CASS")
strSql = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" 
 
For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
    strTmp = TRIM(ofld.VALUE)
    Debug.print = ofld.Name " - Untrimmed: " & LEN(fld.VALUE)  & " trimmed: " & LEN(strTmp)

    qdfTrim.SQL = strSQL & ofld.Name & "] =  " & strTmp 
    qdfTrim.Execute
Next

HTH
 
*************************************************************
* Patricia E. O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer/Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (W) mailto:aa1160 at otda.state.ny.us
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All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)

I wrote:
For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" &
fld.Name & "])"
    qdfTrim.Execute
Next

When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
What's going on here?

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 06:45:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:45:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
Message-ID: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 06:53:59 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:53:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0711300453i7193a214ydc276ee43b5354f9@mail.gmail.com>

If I'm not dead and cremated by then, Gustav, this could be important. I
will look into it, on the off-chance that I'm still breathing when it
happens. Better safe than sorry.

A.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 07:00:56 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:00:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001201c83351$0c307910$647aa8c0@M90>

OK, let's get real.  Assuming that Moore's law continues for that period, we
would double the number of transistors every 2 years which means 12 years /
2 = 6 doublings.  We currently have 4 processors so that means 2^8
processors = 256 processors.  

The problem as I see it is that memory module size is stalled.  I have to
hope that the problem lies in the fact that 32 bit windows did not allow
more than 4 g byte so there was no active need to go further.  With the 64
bit OS' finally making it into the picture, perhaps the memory module makers
will put the problem back on the front burner.

On a more interesting note, Solid State Disks are finally here and readily
available:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&Tpk=solid+state
+disk

Yes, they are still expensive but even these prices are low compared to what
was available and these prices are dropping rapidly as manufacturing picks
up steam.  Dell is now actually shipping laptops with a 64 gb solid state
disk. 

We live in exciting times.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 07:05:58 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:05:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B5@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <001c01c83351$c517fbb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Patricia & Group,

I wish to trim all values in the column rather than set them
all to a single value. I will certainly try this on a copy of my
table, but the SQL view of an Update query will confirm that
the Field.Name should be used.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)" <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


>I think you are getting field.NAME mixed up with the value in the 
>field.VALUE.
> I am not at work so I can't verify the full statement but you could try
>
> Dim oDB As DAO.Database
> Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
> Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
> Dim oFld As DAO.Field
>
> Dim strTmp as string
> Dim strSql as string
>
> Set oDB = CurrentDb
> Set oTbl = odb.TableDefs("CASS")
> strSql = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.["
>
> For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
>    strTmp = TRIM(ofld.VALUE)
>    Debug.print = ofld.Name " - Untrimmed: " & LEN(fld.VALUE)  & " trimmed: 
> " & LEN(strTmp)
>
>    qdfTrim.SQL = strSQL & ofld.Name & "] =  " & strTmp
>    qdfTrim.Execute
> Next
>
> HTH
>
> *************************************************************
> * Patricia E. O'Connor
> * Associate Computer Programmer/Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
> * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> * (W) mailto:aa1160 at otda.state.ny.us
> ***********************************************************
>
>
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> otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you 
> received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to 
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> delete the e-mail from your system.
>
>
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>
>
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Michael R Mattys
> Sent: Thu 11/29/2007 11:01 PM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>
>
>
> All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)
>
> I wrote:
> For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
>    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" &
> fld.Name & "])"
>    qdfTrim.Execute
> Next
>
> When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
> How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
> What's going on here?
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 07:08:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:08:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>

What I find amusing is that the current 4 core desktop computer is more that
a supercomputer from 1980.  Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago.  We could simulate a
nuclear bomb or the weather if we were willing to allow our computers to run
uninterrupted for a couple of months. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 08:04:06 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:04:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B5@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
	<001c01c83351$c517fbb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <004301c83359$e58e8e10$0202a8c0@Laptop>


Unfortunately, strTmp = Trim(oFld.Value) is invalid in this context.
Thank you anyway, Patricia. Feel free to try again. I'm stumped.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

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From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Patricia & Group,
>
> I wish to trim all values in the column rather than set them
> all to a single value. I will certainly try this on a copy of my
> table, but the SQL view of an Update query will confirm that
> the Field.Name should be used.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA)" <Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>
>
>>I think you are getting field.NAME mixed up with the value in the
>>field.VALUE.
>> I am not at work so I can't verify the full statement but you could try
>>
>> Dim oDB As DAO.Database
>> Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
>> Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
>> Dim oFld As DAO.Field
>>
>> Dim strTmp as string
>> Dim strSql as string
>>
>> Set oDB = CurrentDb
>> Set oTbl = odb.TableDefs("CASS")
>> strSql = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.["
>>
>> For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
>>    strTmp = TRIM(ofld.VALUE)
>>    Debug.print = ofld.Name " - Untrimmed: " & LEN(fld.VALUE)  & " 
>> trimmed:
>> " & LEN(strTmp)
>>
>>    qdfTrim.SQL = strSQL & ofld.Name & "] =  " & strTmp
>>    qdfTrim.Execute
>> Next
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> *************************************************************
>> * Patricia E. O'Connor
>> * Associate Computer Programmer/Analyst
>> * OTDA - BDMA
>> * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
>> * (W) mailto:aa1160 at otda.state.ny.us
>> ***********************************************************
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged 
>> or
>> otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If 
>> you
>> received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to
>> send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or
>> its attachments.  Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail 
>> and
>> delete the e-mail from your system.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Michael R Mattys
>> Sent: Thu 11/29/2007 11:01 PM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>>
>>
>>
>> All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)
>>
>> I wrote:
>> For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
>>    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" &
>> fld.Name & "])"
>>    qdfTrim.Execute
>> Next
>>
>> When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
>> How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
>> What's going on here?
>>
>> Michael R. Mattys
>> MapPoint & Access Dev
>> www.mattysconsulting.com
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 08:28:20 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 14:28:20 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00e901c8335d$4217f2e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Oh year, what a good idea. WOPR all over again...Play "Global Thermonuclear
War"

Wikepeida says:-

WOPR is a form of artificial intelligence, programmed to play numerous
strategy and war games, including one called Global Thermonuclear War, the
purpose being to enable itself to optimally respond to any possible enemy
nuclear attack.

WarGames
In WarGames, David Lightman (Matthew Broderick), a teenage computer hacker
unwittingly makes contact with WOPR by dialing random phone numbers (known
as Wardialing). Believing he has discovered a backdoor to the mainframe at a
computer game development company, he hacks into WOPR, finds a list of games
and gives the command to play the Global Thermonuclear War scenario. In the
process, WOPR begins running the simulation on the main screen at NORAD,
making the staff there think the Soviet Union is readying their missiles for
a first strike.


Max
 

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Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 1:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

What I find amusing is that the current 4 core desktop computer is more that
a supercomputer from 1980.  Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago.  We could simulate a
nuclear bomb or the weather if we were willing to allow our computers to run
uninterrupted for a couple of months. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 08:31:32 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:31:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s7502ce8.057@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

Haven't followed this thread until now. 
Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...

/gustav

>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of Michael R Mattys
>> Sent: Thu 11/29/2007 11:01 PM
>> To: AccessD
>> Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>>
>> All fields in table defined as TEXT (39)
>>
>> I wrote:
>> For Each fld In oDB.TableDefs("CASS").Fields
>>    qdfTrim.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & fld.Name & "] = Trim([" &
>> fld.Name & "])"
>>    qdfTrim.Execute
>> Next
>>
>> When I do a Len(AnyField), they are all 39.
>> How do I know if Trim() worked or not?
>> What's going on here?
>>
>> Michael R. Mattys
>> MapPoint & Access Dev
>> www.mattysconsulting.com 





From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 08:36:54 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:36:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <007b01c83305$afaca740$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE80253C1B5@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
	<001c01c83351$c517fbb0$0202a8c0@Laptop>
	<004301c83359$e58e8e10$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <004e01c8335e$7885b4b0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

This didn't work either; maybe the table is corrupt?

Function TrimCass()

    Dim oDB As DAO.Database
    Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
    Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
    Dim oFld As DAO.Field

    Dim strTmp As String
    Dim strSql As String

    Set oDB = CurrentDb
    Set oQry = oDB.CreateQueryDef("Trimmer", "SELECT * FROM CASS")
    Set oTbl = oDB.TableDefs("CASS")

    For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
        oQry.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & oFld.Name & "] = Trim([" & 
oFld.Name & "])"
        oDB.QueryDefs.Refresh
        DoCmd.SetWarnings False
        DoCmd.SelectObject acQuery, "Trimmer", True
        DoCmd.OpenQuery "Trimmer", acViewNormal
        DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    Next

    Set oTbl = Nothing
    Set oQry = Nothing
    Set oDB = Nothing

End Function

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


>
> Unfortunately, strTmp = Trim(oFld.Value) is invalid in this context.
> Thank you anyway, Patricia. Feel free to try again. I'm stumped.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com



From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 08:46:24 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:46:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s7502ce8.057@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005501c8335f$d0b14f90$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Gustav,

I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 

I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
> 
> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
> 
> /gustav


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 09:00:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:00:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s750339b.059@cactus.dk>

Hi Matt

Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:

Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String

' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
'
' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
  
  Dim lngTemp As Long
  Dim lngChop As Long
  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim strTemp As String
  Dim strTrim As String
    
  strTemp = Trim(strString)
  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
  If lngTemp > 0 Then
    strTrim = strTemp
    lngChop = 1
    Do
      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
      If lngChop > 0 Then
        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
      End If
    Loop Until lngChop = 0
    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
  End If
  
  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)

End Function

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 

I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
> 
> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
> 
> /gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 09:05:58 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:05:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s7503505.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

Ignoring Trim for a moment, why not just execute a temporary query:

Function TrimCass()

    Dim oDB As DAO.Database
    Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
    Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
    Dim oFld As DAO.Field

    Dim strTmp As String
    Dim strSql As String

    Set oDB = CurrentDb
    Set oQry = oDB.CreateQueryDef("", "SELECT * FROM CASS")
    Set oTbl = oDB.TableDefs("CASS")

    For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
        oQry.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & oFld.Name & "] = Trim([" & oFld.Name & "])"
        oQry.Execute
    Next

    Set oFld = Nothing
    Set oTbl = Nothing
    Set oQry = Nothing
    Set oDB = Nothing

End Function

/gustav




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:12:18 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:12:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s750339b.059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <007801c83363$9f904430$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Thanks Gustav,

That took out all spaces, proving the table is not corrupt
However, these are addresses ... :)

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Matt
> 
> Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:
> 
> Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String
> 
> ' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
> '
> ' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.
> 
>  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
>  
>  Dim lngTemp As Long
>  Dim lngChop As Long
>  Dim lngLoop As Long
>  Dim strTemp As String
>  Dim strTrim As String
>    
>  strTemp = Trim(strString)
>  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
>  If lngTemp > 0 Then
>    strTrim = strTemp
>    lngChop = 1
>    Do
>      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
>      If lngChop > 0 Then
>        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
>        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
>        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
>        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
>      End If
>    Loop Until lngChop = 0
>    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
>  End If
>  
>  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
>  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)
> 
> End Function
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
> 
> I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
> extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
> text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 
> 
> I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
> 
> 
>> Hi Michael
>> 
>> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
>> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
>> 
>> /gustav
> 
> 
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:13:46 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:13:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s7503505.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <007901c83363$a072b4f0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Yes, that's what I had originally.
Trim() does not appear to work at all
I'll have to do it with a custom function like yours.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
>
> Ignoring Trim for a moment, why not just execute a temporary query:
>
> Function TrimCass()
>
>    Dim oDB As DAO.Database
>    Dim oTbl As DAO.TableDef
>    Dim oQry As DAO.QueryDef
>    Dim oFld As DAO.Field
>
>    Dim strTmp As String
>    Dim strSql As String
>
>    Set oDB = CurrentDb
>    Set oQry = oDB.CreateQueryDef("", "SELECT * FROM CASS")
>    Set oTbl = oDB.TableDefs("CASS")
>
>    For Each oFld In oTbl.Fields
>        oQry.SQL = "UPDATE CASS SET CASS.[" & oFld.Name & "] = Trim([" & 
> oFld.Name & "])"
>        oQry.Execute
>    Next
>
>    Set oFld = Nothing
>    Set oTbl = Nothing
>    Set oQry = Nothing
>    Set oDB = Nothing
>
> End Function
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:24:40 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:24:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s7503505.060@cactus.dk> <007901c83363$a072b4f0$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <008b01c83365$23c1dc40$0202a8c0@Laptop>


I'm going to try this Trim replacement:
http://www.vbcode.com/Asp/showsn.asp?theID=967

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Yes, that's what I had originally.
> Trim() does not appear to work at all
> I'll have to do it with a custom function like yours.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>
>
>> Hi Michael
>>
>> Ignoring Trim for a moment, why not just execute a temporary query:



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 09:30:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 16:30:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s7503ac8.061@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

OK, then try to modify it like this:

 Const cstrSpace As String * 2 = "  "

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 16:12 >>>
Thanks Gustav,

That took out all spaces, proving the table is not corrupt
However, these are addresses ... :)

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Matt
> 
> Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:
> 
> Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String
> 
> ' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
> '
> ' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.
> 
>  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
>  
>  Dim lngTemp As Long
>  Dim lngChop As Long
>  Dim lngLoop As Long
>  Dim strTemp As String
>  Dim strTrim As String
>    
>  strTemp = Trim(strString)
>  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
>  If lngTemp > 0 Then
>    strTrim = strTemp
>    lngChop = 1
>    Do
>      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
>      If lngChop > 0 Then
>        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
>        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
>        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
>        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
>      End If
>    Loop Until lngChop = 0
>    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
>  End If
>  
>  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
>  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)
> 
> End Function
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
> Hi Gustav,
> 
> I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
> extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
> text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 
> 
> I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
> 
> 
>> Hi Michael
>> 
>> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
>> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
>> 
>> /gustav





From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Nov 30 09:39:06 2007
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 09:39:06 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584C070@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Not having worked with Access 2007 this is just a wag, but in SQL you can
set a field as char (fixed length text) or varchar ( variable length text).
Is this same capability in Access 2007 and could it be that your field type
is set to fixed length?

Rusty

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael R Mattys [mailto:mmattys at rochester.rr.com]
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007



I'm going to try this Trim replacement:
http://www.vbcode.com/Asp/showsn.asp?theID=967

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael R Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Yes, that's what I had originally.
> Trim() does not appear to work at all
> I'll have to do it with a custom function like yours.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>
>
>> Hi Michael
>>
>> Ignoring Trim for a moment, why not just execute a temporary query:

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From pharold at proftesting.com  Fri Nov 30 09:40:38 2007
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:40:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s750339b.059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B0790C1@exchange.ptiorl.local>

Michael

I think if you change the constant to 

  Const cstrSpace As String * 2 = "  " 

It should replace all double spaces with a single space.  If there are
multiple spaces, especially if the field is right packed, the loop would
have to be rerun until no double spaces exist.


Perry Harold


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:00 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007

Hi Matt

Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:

Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String

' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
'
' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.

  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
  
  Dim lngTemp As Long
  Dim lngChop As Long
  Dim lngLoop As Long
  Dim strTemp As String
  Dim strTrim As String
    
  strTemp = Trim(strString)
  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
  If lngTemp > 0 Then
    strTrim = strTemp
    lngChop = 1
    Do
      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
      If lngChop > 0 Then
        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
      End If
    Loop Until lngChop = 0
    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
  End If
  
  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)

End Function

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have extra
spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width text-file, but I
only receive the accdb. 

I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
> 
> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
> 
> /gustav


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:48:31 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:48:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s7503ac8.061@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00ae01c83368$7ace1280$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Yes! Excellent, Gustav.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
> 
> OK, then try to modify it like this:
> 
> Const cstrSpace As String * 2 = "  "
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 16:12 >>>
> Thanks Gustav,
> 
> That took out all spaces, proving the table is not corrupt
> However, these are addresses ... :)
> 
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
> 
> 
>> Hi Matt
>> 
>> Trim only trim outer spaces. Use MTrim to trim inner spaces as well:
>> 
>> Public Function MTrim(ByVal strString As String) As String
>> 
>> ' Trims strString for mid and outer spaces.
>> '
>> ' 1999-06-23. Cactus Data ApS. CPH.
>> 
>>  Const cstrSpace As String * 1 = " "
>>  
>>  Dim lngTemp As Long
>>  Dim lngChop As Long
>>  Dim lngLoop As Long
>>  Dim strTemp As String
>>  Dim strTrim As String
>>    
>>  strTemp = Trim(strString)
>>  lngTemp = Len(strTemp)
>>  If lngTemp > 0 Then
>>    strTrim = strTemp
>>    lngChop = 1
>>    Do
>>      lngChop = InStr(lngChop, strTrim, cstrSpace)
>>      If lngChop > 0 Then
>>        ' A space is found. Shift one character and
>>        ' overwrite this space in string strTrim.
>>        lngLoop = lngLoop + 1
>>        Mid(strTrim, lngChop) = Mid(strTemp, lngChop + lngLoop)
>>      End If
>>    Loop Until lngChop = 0
>>    ' String strTrim now contains no spaces.
>>  End If
>>  
>>  ' Return net length of trimmed string.
>>  MTrim = Left(strTrim, lngTemp - lngLoop)
>> 
>> End Function
>> 
>> /gustav
>> 
>>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 15:46 >>>
>> Hi Gustav,
>> 
>> I am doing the common operation of trimming fields that have
>> extra spaces in them. These probably came from a fixed-width
>> text-file, but I only receive the accdb. 
>> 
>> I execute the query and it has no effect on the spaces.
>> 
>> Michael R. Mattys
>> MapPoint & Access Dev
>> www.mattysconsulting.com 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi Michael
>>> 
>>> Haven't followed this thread until now. 
>>> Could you explain what you try to do? Clear as mud for me ...
>>> 
>>> /gustav
> 
> 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 09:49:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: For the diversified list
Message-ID: <00f001c83368$a8f40980$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

>From my 9 year old granddaughters: 

When you go into the bathroom, you're American. 
When you come out of the bathroom, you're American. 

What are you when you're IN the bathroom.... 

.

.

.

.

You're a peein!  

<groan>









Yo


From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 09:54:42 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:54:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584C070@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <00b301c83369$53c8cb70$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Hi Rusty,

No, still the same old field definitions (afaict)
Gustav's function works, I don't know why Trim wouldn't.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Not having worked with Access 2007 this is just a wag, but in SQL you can
> set a field as char (fixed length text) or varchar ( variable length 
> text).
> Is this same capability in Access 2007 and could it be that your field 
> type
> is set to fixed length?
>
> Rusty



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Nov 30 10:04:50 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:04:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED74E0@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Early adopters form a line. Personally I don't need to spend over $3,399 on
a 128 Gig drive. 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609259

Interesting that the spec provided quote data throughput but not access
speeds.

I think I'll wait until it gets down to a more realistic $40 or $50. :-)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136075

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang


<snip>

On a more interesting note, Solid State Disks are finally here and readily
available:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&Tpk=solid+state
+disk

Yes, they are still expensive but even these prices are low compared to what
was available and these prices are dropping rapidly as manufacturing picks
up steam.  Dell is now actually shipping laptops with a 64 gb solid state
disk. 

We live in exciting times.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing. Erlang is one. And it is free
and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 10:06:16 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:06:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s750431f.063@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

It could be that Trim on its own is a native function of JET SQL while using a custom function will call Trim of VBA.

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 16:54 >>>
Hi Rusty,

No, still the same old field definitions (afaict)
Gustav's function works, I don't know why Trim wouldn't.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Not having worked with Access 2007 this is just a wag, but in SQL you can
> set a field as char (fixed length text) or varchar ( variable length 
> text).
> Is this same capability in Access 2007 and could it be that your field 
> type
> is set to fixed length?
>
> Rusty






From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 10:24:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:24:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED74E0@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED74E0@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c8336d$6e1dd5c0$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL, think back Lambert.  In 1982 I purchased a dual 8" floppy which
provided me with 1 mb of data storage per drive.  $600 Paid.

I am certainly not buying these solid state disks, simply noting that they
are finally available.  However last year I paid $125 for a board and $100 /
gigabyte to build a 4 gig ram drive because I needed it.  The access speed
was key to getting double the performance out of an address validation
system.  That is $500 for 4 gigs, which I purchased less than 2 years ago,
and it did exactly what I needed and paid for itself 10 times over.  These
new drives are $430 for a 32 gig drive that is plug in compatible with my
IDE port.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147021

And how much was your example hard disk 2 years ago?

These flash disks will probably never replace rotating media everywhere, but
they are actually a great medium for certain uses.  Imagine a data logger on
low powered system, or in a car, logging data from the car's engine, or in
an airplane logging data, or in a low power laptop.  There are many places
where the unreliability of rotating media just makes them risky to use.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Early adopters form a line. Personally I don't need to spend over $3,399 on
a 128 Gig drive. 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820609259

Interesting that the spec provided quote data throughput but not access
speeds.

I think I'll wait until it gets down to a more realistic $40 or $50. :-)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136075

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang


<snip>

On a more interesting note, Solid State Disks are finally here and readily
available:

http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=636&Tpk=solid+state
+disk

Yes, they are still expensive but even these prices are low compared to what
was available and these prices are dropping rapidly as manufacturing picks
up steam.  Dell is now actually shipping laptops with a 64 gb solid state
disk. 

We live in exciting times.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing. Erlang is one. And it is free
and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 10:49:42 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:49:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s750431f.063@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <010601c83371$02564b70$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Gustav,

I don't know, but I'll use your MTrim from now on.
Thanks again.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007


> Hi Michael
>
> It could be that Trim on its own is a native function of JET SQL while 
> using a custom function will call Trim of VBA.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 16:54 >>>
> Hi Rusty,
>
> No, still the same old field definitions (afaict)
> Gustav's function works, I don't know why Trim wouldn't.
>
> Michael R. Mattys
> MapPoint & Access Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Nov 30 11:08:03 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:08:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk> <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001401c83373$91d944d0$8abea8c0@XPS>

<< Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago. >>

  Because we use Windoze...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

What I find amusing is that the current 4 core desktop computer is more that
a supercomputer from 1980.  Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago.  We could simulate a
nuclear bomb or the weather if we were willing to allow our computers to run
uninterrupted for a couple of months. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Nov 30 11:38:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:38:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang
In-Reply-To: <001401c83373$91d944d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <s75013eb.052@cactus.dk> <001801c83352$23f7b3f0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<001401c83373$91d944d0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <001d01c83377$d2a73f40$647aa8c0@M90>

Well besides that...

There are plenty of Linux machines running. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 12:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

<< Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool things that ran on the
supercomputers 30 years ago. >>

  Because we use Windoze...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

What I find amusing is that the current 4 core desktop computer is more that
a supercomputer from 1980.  Why aren't we able to run all of the oh so cool
things that ran on the supercomputers 30 years ago.  We could simulate a
nuclear bomb or the weather if we were willing to allow our computers to run
uninterrupted for a couple of months. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:45 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday (weekend) fun: Erlang

Hi all

Everyone seems so busy, so here's something for a relaxing weekend.

Predicting that in 2019 we will have the million core processor, you need to
use a language capable of parallel processing.
Erlang is one. And it is free and open-source:

  http://www.erlang.org 

Note chapter 3, Concurrent Programming, here:

  http://www.erlang.org/doc/getting_started/part_frame.html 

Also, a community exists:

  http://www.trapexit.org/

Have fun!

/gustav


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 11:51:21 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:51:21 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] OT: For the diversified list
In-Reply-To: <00f001c83368$a8f40980$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <00f001c83368$a8f40980$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950711300951n7eef6a6jddd4835e6f7a5fdf@mail.gmail.com>

HA. Good one!

GK

On 11/30/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> >From my 9 year old granddaughters:
>
> When you go into the bathroom, you're American.
> When you come out of the bathroom, you're American.
>
> What are you when you're IN the bathroom....
>
> .
>
> .
>
> .
>
> .
>
> You're a peein!
>
> <groan>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yo
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Nov 30 12:35:25 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:35:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
References: <s750431f.063@cactus.dk> <010601c83371$02564b70$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <016001c8337f$ca009c80$0202a8c0@Laptop>

I figured out what went wrong, but I still don't like it:

The imported table name is also called CASS
The SQL I used to create the table was 
SELECT TRIM([ID]) AS ID, ... INTO CASS FROM CASS IN 'dbpath'

No error occurred in the code, but manually creating the query tells
me that TRIM([ID]) AS ID is a circular reference. It created the table
anyway, it just refused to Trim.

??

(I did not use On Error Resume Next)

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Nov 30 12:53:52 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 19:53:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Trim in Access 2007
Message-ID: <s7506a68.066@cactus.dk>

Hi Michael

That's what happens when you keep small secrets for yourself ... had you posted the full SQL we would, of course, have spotted that right away(?)

/gustav

>>> mmattys at rochester.rr.com 30-11-2007 19:35 >>>
I figured out what went wrong, but I still don't like it:

The imported table name is also called CASS
The SQL I used to create the table was 
SELECT TRIM([ID]) AS ID, ... INTO CASS FROM CASS IN 'dbpath'

No error occurred in the code, but manually creating the query tells
me that TRIM([ID]) AS ID is a circular reference. It created the table
anyway, it just refused to Trim.

??

(I did not use On Error Resume Next)

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com