From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct  1 01:50:15 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:50:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a crosstab query
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0709300708i192982d9v426188a44db3fdb3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0709300708i192982d9v426188a44db3fdb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <470098A7.32029.8B72F886@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 30 Sep 2007 at 10:08, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> The xtab in question lists horses on the rows and lesson types on the
> columns (i.e. private, semi-private, group), then populates the columns with
> counts for the number of lessons per horse per lesson type. No problem so
> far. But the specs call for vertical totals of the columns, and I cannot
> figure out how to do them with the xtab wizard. What I need is a sum of
> each of the columns to be presented as the bottom row (i.e sum of private,
> semi-private and group columns, including all horses).
> 
> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

In a pure query, you would need to use a UNION of the crosstab with a second 
"SELECT DISTINCT...SUM(...).......GROUP BY...." query.

If you base a report on the query, you can have a Footer section where you can do the totalling.









From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 03:25:30 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:25:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - Locking Problem
Message-ID: <s700cb3f.089@cactus.dk>

Hi Robert and Reuben

But wasn't that patch (from April, 2005) included in Win2003 SP2?

<quote>
Service pack information
To resolve this problem, obtain the latest service pack for Windows Server 2003. ..
</quote>

If so, Reuben, this means that the notwork guys didn't update the server. And if so, what do they think SPs are for?

/gustav

>>> robert at servicexp.com 28-09-2007 23:55 >>>
Reuben,
 I struggled for a looooooong time with what sounds like the same error. I
just happened across a MS KB about the problem. Had my users install the
patches and problem solved. 


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895751 


If you need the patch's (Win 2003 & XP) I believe I still have them..



WBR
Robert

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:54 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - Locking Problem

I have a client that is receiving messages stating "The Microsoft Jet
Database engine stopped the process because you..."  Basically trying to say
that the record has been edited by someone else.

This has happened several times lately.  There is always a .ldb hangin
around after closing the app (by all users - there are 4 users).  This is
occurring even if only one person is using the app.  And even then the ldb
is still not deleted.

Any ideas?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 03:56:53 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:56:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
Message-ID: <s700d286.090@cactus.dk>

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are
' not allowed by Windows as a file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
' 2002-05-22. Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 30-09-2007 10:52 >>>
Hi Shamil,
Clearly your compiled solution is by way and far the quickest solution.
I have tried all sorts of VBA solutions including looking at XOR, IMP, EQV,
bitwise solutions, but there overheads were considerable.
The best I can come up with in VBA is below.
One million iterations on my Dell Inspiron comes in at 3 min 52 secs.

If John didn't want to Hump it, then RegExpr appears to be the answer within
pure VBA 

Max

Function dbc2()
  Const conGoodChars As String = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" ' valid
characters
  Const conBadChars As String = "?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in
this string
  Const conLoops As Long = 1000000
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVars As Integer, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLen As Integer, strTemp As String, bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As
String, strResult As String, strBit As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  "
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conLoops
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      strResult = ""
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop))
      str2Parse = UCase(Left(str2Parse, 1)) & Mid(str2Parse, 2)
      For iLen = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLen, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLen
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  MsgBox tLapsedTime: Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

<<<
However for more complicated
string operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very
suitable and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.
>>>
Hi Mike,

That's clear, and the John's task is to get the speediest solution.


--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Shamil, yes regex's are slower in .Net due to I believe all the objects
overhead.  For simple string operations regexes would probrably not be
effiecent BUT would be easier to write.  However for more complicated string
operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very suitable
and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.

Mike...

> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to note: I have seen somewhere an article about RegEx being 
> considerably slower than a mere strings comparison etc. I cannot find 
> this article now, can you?
>
> Here is a similar article on ColdFusion and Java (watch line wraps) -
>
>
http://www.bennadel.com/blog/410-Regular-Expression-Finds-vs-String-Finds.ht 
> m
>
> The info above should be also true for C#/VB.NET (just remember there 
> are no miracles in this world)...
>
> John, this could be critical information for you because of your 
> computers processing zillion gigabytes of data - if that slowness of RegEx
vs.
> string
> comparison operation proves to be true then mere chars/strings 
> comparison and simple iteration over source string's char array could 
> be the most effective solution, which will save you hours and hours of
computing time:
>
> - define a 256 bytes long table (I guess you use extended ASCII (256 
> chars
> max) only John - right?) with to be stripped out chars marked by 1;
> - define upperCase flag;
> - allocate destination string, which is as long as the source one - 
> use StringBuilder;
> - iterate source string and use current char's ASCII code as an index 
> of a cell of array mentioned above:
>     a) if the array's cell has value > 0  then the source char should 
> be stripped out/skipped; set uppercase flag = true;
>     b) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = true 
> then uppercase current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's; set uppercase flag = false;
>     c) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = false 
> then lower case current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's string;
>
>
> Here is C# code:
>
>
> private static string[] delimiters = "
> |%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|(|)".Split('|');
> private static byte[] sieve = new byte[255]; private static bool 
> initialized = false; static void JamOutBadChars() { if (!initialized) 
> {
>     sieve.Initialize();
>     foreach (string delimiter in delimiters)
>     {
>         sieve[(int)delimiter.Substring(0, 1).ToCharArray()[0]] = 1;
>     }
>     initialized = true;
> }
> string[] test = {"John colby  ",
>         "%idiotic_Field*name&!@",
>         " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#",
>         "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system          "};
>
> foreach (string source in test)
> {
>     StringBuilder result = new StringBuilder(source.Length);
>     bool upperCase = true;
>     foreach (char c in source.ToCharArray())
>     {
>         if (sieve[(int)c] > 0) upperCase = true;
>         else if (upperCase)
>         {
>             result.Append(c.ToString().ToUpper());
>             upperCase = false;
>         }
>         else result.Append(c.ToString().ToLower());
>     }
>     Console.WriteLine(source + " => {" + result + "}"); } }
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Bahr
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
>
> Hi John, here is one way to do it (although there are many ways to get 
> the same end result).  Mind you this is air code but hopefully should 
> be enough to get you going.  You will need to create the main loop 
> within your code.
>
> Create a list of all delimiters that are used in your CSV files such 
> as delimiters = '%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:| '
>
> then run through your CSV files line by line evaluating the line 
> saving the line into an array thisarray = Split(line, delimiters)
>
> then run through the array performing a Ucase on the first letter of 
> each word newline = ""
> For item=1 to ubound
>   newline = newline & whatEverToCapFirstChar(item) Next item
>
> where ubound is the array size
>
>
> Now here are two scripts that do the same thing, one is Perl and the 
> other is TCL.  Both of these languages are open source and free and 
> can be gotten at http://www.activestate.com/Products/languages.plex 
>
> Perl:
>
> my $delimiters = '/:| |\%|\*|\$|\@|\!|\#|\&|^|_|-|,|\./';
> my @test = ("John colby",
>             "%idiotic_Field*name",
>             "hey#hey#Hey,hello_world",
>             "this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system");
>
> foreach my $item (@test) {
>    my $temp = "";
>    my @list = split ($delimiters, $item);
>    foreach my $thing (@list) {
>       $temp .= ucfirst($thing);
>    }
>    print "$temp\n";
>
> }
>
> Result
> d:\Perl>pascalcase.pl
> JohnColby
> IdioticFieldName
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld
> ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
> TCL:
>
> set delimiters {%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|\ "} set test [list {John 
> colby} {%idiotic_Field*name} {hey#hey#Hey,hello_world} 
> {this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system}]
>
>
> foreach item $test {
>    set str ""
>    set mylist [split $item, $delimiters]
>    foreach thing $mylist {
>       set s [string totitle $thing]
>       set str "$str$s"
>    }
>    puts $str
>
> }
>
> Results
> D:\VisualTcl\Projects>tclsh pascalcase.tcl JohnColby IdioticFieldName 
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
>
> hth, Mike...



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 03:58:40 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:58:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <001801c80367$d1ceb980$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <000c01c80409$441b0f60$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Shamil,
Personnally, I think that you have probably achieved the fast time possible.
Although I don't think you have replicated my VBA code exactly, also I don't
know why your Dell runs faster than mine?

I have posted the code here:

http://www.peoplelinks.co.uk/msaccess/downloads/CamelCase.zip

With some comments at the top of the code section with regard to my system
setup.
 
Interesting exercise though.  No doubt there will be others out there who
can improve on the VBA Code.

Regards

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max,

I have programmed some more string jamming strategies, code is below. It's
interesting to note that the most obvious programming (StringJammer4), which
assumes that only alphabetic chars should be left and all the other should
be stripped out, is running as quick as the most generic one
(StringJammer3), which can use whatever set will be defined as the set of
the chars to be left in the result string. It's also interesting to note
that when millions iterations are "at stake" then very subtle code
differences can result in clearly visible/countable time execution gains,
e.g. checking that a char is in uppercase and NOT calling ToUpper function
works about 1 second faster on one million iterations than the code, which
just always calls ToUpper function.

I expect that the most generic solution (StringJammer3) can be made even
faster without going to C++ or Assmebler if somehow implement it using
inline coding instead of delegate function calls - of course this generic
solution has to be considerably refactored to achieve this goal: the gain
I'd expect could be  about 2 sec for one million iterations (it's  about 4
sec now). From practical point of view this gain looks very small(?) to take
into account but such kind of "manual coding optimization exercises" are
rather valuable to polish programming skills.

Your VBA code runs here 3 min 24 seconds under MS Access VBA IDE  for the
same set of the test strings, which is used in the below C# code:

-	4 sec vs. 204 sec. (3 min. 24 sec.) => 51 times quicker

Shamil 

P.S. the code:


using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;

using System.Text.RegularExpressions;  

namespace StringJammerTestConsoleApplication
{
    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer abstract class
    /// </summary>
    public unsafe abstract class StringJammer
    {
        protected static byte[] sieve = new byte[256];
        protected void Init()
        {
            sieve.Initialize();
            for (uint i = (int)'A'; i <= (int)'Z'; i++)
                sieve[i] = 1;
            for (uint i = (int)'a'; i <= (int)'z'; i++)
                sieve[i] = 1;

            copyProcs.Initialize();
            for (int i = 0; i < copyProcs.Length; i++)
            {
                if ((i >= (int)'A') && (i <= (int)'Z') ||
                    (i >= (int)'a') && (i <= (int)'z'))
                    copyProcs[i] = copyChar;
                    else
                    copyProcs[i] = dummyCopyChar;
            }
        }

        public abstract void Jam(ref string stringToJam);
        protected static copyCharDelegate[] copyProcs = new
copyCharDelegate[256];
        protected delegate void copyCharDelegate(char* c, ref int i, ref int
j, ref bool upperCase);

        protected static void copyChar(char* c, ref int i, ref int j, ref
bool upperCase)
        {
            Char cc = c[i++];
            if (upperCase)
            {
                if (Char.IsUpper(cc))
                    c[j++] = cc;
                else
                    c[j++] = Char.ToUpper(cc);
                upperCase = false;
            }
            else
            {
                if (char.IsLower(cc))
                    c[j++] = cc;
                else
                    c[j++] = Char.ToLower(cc);
            }
        }
        protected static void dummyCopyChar(char* c, ref int i, ref int j,
ref bool upperCase)
        {
            c[i++] = Char.MinValue;
            if (!upperCase ) upperCase = true;
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer1 class - first string jamming strategy
    /// </summary>
    public class StringJammer1 : StringJammer
    {
        public StringJammer1() { Init(); }
        public override void Jam(ref string stringToJam)
        {
            StringBuilder result = new StringBuilder(stringToJam.Length);
            bool upperCase = true;
            foreach (char c in stringToJam.ToCharArray())
            {
                if (sieve[(int)c] == 0) upperCase = true;
                else if (upperCase)
                {
                    result.Append(c.ToString().ToUpper());
                    upperCase = false;
                }
                else result.Append(c.ToString().ToLower());
            }
            stringToJam = result.ToString().Trim();
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer2 class - second string jamming strategy
    /// </summary>
    public class StringJammer2 : StringJammer
    {
        public StringJammer2() { Init(); }
        public override void Jam(ref string stringToJam)
        {
            unsafe
            {
                fixed (char* c = stringToJam)
                {
                    bool upperCase = true;
                    int i = 0, j = 0;
                    while (i < stringToJam.Length)
                    {
                        if (sieve[c[i]] == 0)
                        {
                            c[i++] = ' ';
                            upperCase = true;
                        }
                        else if (upperCase)
                        {
                            c[j++] = Char.ToUpper(c[i++]); upperCase =
false;
                        }
                        else
                        {
                            c[j++] = Char.ToLower(c[i++]);
                        }
                    }
                    while (j < stringToJam.Length) c[j++] = ' ';
                }
                stringToJam = stringToJam.Trim();
            }
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer3 class - third string jamming strategy
    /// </summary>
    public class StringJammer3 : StringJammer
    {
        public StringJammer3() { Init(); }
        public override void Jam(ref string stringToJam)
        {
            unsafe
            {
                fixed (char* c = stringToJam)
                {
                    bool upperCase = true;
                    int i = 0, j = 0;
                    while (i < stringToJam.Length)
                        copyProcs[c[i]](c, ref i, ref j, ref upperCase);
                    while (j < stringToJam.Length) c[j++] = Char.MinValue;
                }
                stringToJam = stringToJam.Trim(Char.MinValue);
            }
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer4 class - fourth string jamming strategy
    /// </summary>
    public class StringJammer4 : StringJammer
    {
        public StringJammer4() { Init(); }
        private bool isNotJammable(char c)
        {
            return Char.IsLetter(c); 
        }
        public override void Jam(ref string stringToJam)
        {
            unsafe
            {
                fixed (char* c = stringToJam)
                {
                    bool upperCase = true;
                    int i = 0, j = 0;
                    while (i < stringToJam.Length)
                    {
                        char cc = c[i++];
                        //if (Char.IsLetter(cc))
                        if (isNotJammable(cc))
                        {
                            if (upperCase)
                            {
                                if (Char.IsUpper(cc)) c[j++] = cc;
                                else c[j++] = Char.ToUpper(cc);
                                upperCase = false;
                            }
                            else
                            {
                                if (Char.IsLower(cc)) c[j++] = cc;
                                else c[j++] = Char.ToLower(cc);
                            }
                        }
                        else upperCase = true;
                    }
                    while (j < stringToJam.Length) c[j++] = Char.MinValue;
                }
                stringToJam = stringToJam.Trim(Char.MinValue);
            }
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// Test
    /// </summary>
    class Program
    {
        static void Main(string[] args)
        {
            const long MAX_CYCLES = 1000000;
            string[] test = {
            " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#=======",
            "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer=======",
            "gency-broadcast-system     $()#     "
            };
            
            StringJammer[] jummers = { 
                    new StringJammer1(), 
                    new StringJammer2(), 
                    new StringJammer3(),
                    new StringJammer4()
            };
            for (int k = 0; k < jummers.Length; k++)
            {
                long cyclesQty = MAX_CYCLES;
                Console.WriteLine("+ {0}\n  {1:D} cycles  started at  {2}",
                         jummers[k].GetType().ToString(),
                         MAX_CYCLES, DateTime.Now.ToLongTimeString());
                while (cyclesQty > 0)
                {
                    for (int i = 0; i < test.Length; i++)
                    {
                        string result = new
StringBuilder(test[i]).ToString();
                        jummers[k].Jam(ref result);
                        if (cyclesQty == MAX_CYCLES)
                        {
                            Console.WriteLine(test[i] + " => {" + result +
"}");
                        }
                    }
                    --cyclesQty;
                }
                Console.WriteLine("- {0}\n  {1:D} cycles finished at {2}\n",
                         jummers[k].GetType().ToString(),
                         MAX_CYCLES, DateTime.Now.ToLongTimeString());
            }

            Console.WriteLine("Press any key to continue...");
            Console.ReadKey();  
        }
    }
}


+ StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer1
  1000000 cycles  started at  13:09:56
 # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#======= => {HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld}
@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer======= => {ThisIsATestOfTheEmer}
gency-broadcast-system     $()#      => {GencyBroadcastSystem}
- StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer1
  1000000 cycles finished at  13:10:15

+ StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer2
  1000000 cycles  started at  13:10:15
 # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#======= => {HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld}
@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer======= => {ThisIsATestOfTheEmer}
gency-broadcast-system     $()#      => {GencyBroadcastSystem}
- StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer2
  1000000 cycles finished at  13:10:21

+ StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer3
  1000000 cycles  started at  13:10:21
 # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#======= => {HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld}
@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer======= => {ThisIsATestOfTheEmer}
gency-broadcast-system     $()#      => {GencyBroadcastSystem}
- StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer3
  1000000 cycles finished at  13:10:25

+ StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer4
  1000000 cycles  started at  13:10:25
 # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#======= => {HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld}
@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer======= => {ThisIsATestOfTheEmer}
gency-broadcast-system     $()#      => {GencyBroadcastSystem}
- StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer4
  1000000 cycles finished at  13:10:29




--
Shamil
 


--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 12:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Shamil,
Clearly your compiled solution is by way and far the quickest solution.
I have tried all sorts of VBA solutions including looking at XOR, IMP, EQV,
bitwise solutions, but there overheads were considerable.
The best I can come up with in VBA is below.
One million iterations on my Dell Inspiron comes in at 3 min 52 secs.

If John didn't want to Hump it, then RegExpr appears to be the answer within
pure VBA 

Max

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 03:59:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:59:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a crosstab query
Message-ID: <s700d31d.091@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

You could use a Union Query for this. Union the query you have with another one like that but without any grouping.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 30-09-2007 16:08 >>>
The xtab in question lists horses on the rows and lesson types on the
columns (i.e. private, semi-private, group), then populates the columns with
counts for the number of lessons per horse per lesson type. No problem so
far. But the specs call for vertical totals of the columns, and I cannot
figure out how to do them with the xtab wizard. What I need is a sum of
each of the columns to be presented as the bottom row (i.e sum of private,
semi-private and group columns, including all horses).

Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

Arthur




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 04:02:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:02:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a crosstab query
Message-ID: <s700d3d3.092@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Looks like we agree! 
I hadn't read your post before answering Arthur's request.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 01-10-2007 08:50 >>>
On 30 Sep 2007 at 10:08, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> The xtab in question lists horses on the rows and lesson types on the
> columns (i.e. private, semi-private, group), then populates the columns with
> counts for the number of lessons per horse per lesson type. No problem so
> far. But the specs call for vertical totals of the columns, and I cannot
> figure out how to do them with the xtab wizard. What I need is a sum of
> each of the columns to be presented as the bottom row (i.e sum of private,
> semi-private and group columns, including all horses).
> 
> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

In a pure query, you would need to use a UNION of the crosstab with a second 
"SELECT DISTINCT...SUM(...).......GROUP BY...." query.

If you base a report on the query, you can have a Footer section where you can do the totalling.





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 05:34:00 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:34:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <s700d286.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002d01c80416$94e2eaf0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Gustav,
I have tried your version of poking the values into a string using the MID.
The results is 31 seconds LONGER than the previous verions.
Both version are below.  Identical (I think) apart from the poking bit.

Max

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const conBadChars As String = "!?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in this
string
Const conIterations As Long = 1000000 ' one million iterations

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBAPoking()
  ' This times at 4 mins 16 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5), lngPos As Long
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      str2Parse = varStr(iVarLoop): bFlipCase = True: strResult =
Left(Space(255), Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = LCase(Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1))
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          lngPos = lngPos + 1
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          Mid(strResult, lngPos, 1) = strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      strResult = Trim(strResult) ' drop any spaces left in string
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBA()
  ' This times at 3 mins 45 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop)): bFlipCase = True: strResult = ""
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this
construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then
replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it
matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are ' not allowed by Windows as a
file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen ' 2002-05-22.
Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the
right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your
code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate
not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 30-09-2007 10:52 >>>
Hi Shamil,
Clearly your compiled solution is by way and far the quickest solution.
I have tried all sorts of VBA solutions including looking at XOR, IMP, EQV,
bitwise solutions, but there overheads were considerable.
The best I can come up with in VBA is below.
One million iterations on my Dell Inspiron comes in at 3 min 52 secs.

If John didn't want to Hump it, then RegExpr appears to be the answer within
pure VBA 

Max

Function dbc2()
  Const conGoodChars As String = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" ' valid
characters
  Const conBadChars As String = "?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in
this string
  Const conLoops As Long = 1000000
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVars As Integer, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLen As Integer, strTemp As String, bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As
String, strResult As String, strBit As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  "
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conLoops
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      strResult = ""
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop))
      str2Parse = UCase(Left(str2Parse, 1)) & Mid(str2Parse, 2)
      For iLen = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLen, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLen
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  MsgBox tLapsedTime: Debug.Print tLapsedTime End Function
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

<<<
However for more complicated
string operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very
suitable and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.
>>>
Hi Mike,

That's clear, and the John's task is to get the speediest solution.


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Shamil, yes regex's are slower in .Net due to I believe all the objects
overhead.  For simple string operations regexes would probrably not be
effiecent BUT would be easier to write.  However for more complicated string
operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very suitable
and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.

Mike...

> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to note: I have seen somewhere an article about RegEx being 
> considerably slower than a mere strings comparison etc. I cannot find 
> this article now, can you?
>
> Here is a similar article on ColdFusion and Java (watch line wraps) -
>
>
http://www.bennadel.com/blog/410-Regular-Expression-Finds-vs-String-Finds.ht

> m
>
> The info above should be also true for C#/VB.NET (just remember there 
> are no miracles in this world)...
>
> John, this could be critical information for you because of your 
> computers processing zillion gigabytes of data - if that slowness of 
> RegEx
vs.
> string
> comparison operation proves to be true then mere chars/strings 
> comparison and simple iteration over source string's char array could 
> be the most effective solution, which will save you hours and hours of
computing time:
>
> - define a 256 bytes long table (I guess you use extended ASCII (256 
> chars
> max) only John - right?) with to be stripped out chars marked by 1;
> - define upperCase flag;
> - allocate destination string, which is as long as the source one - 
> use StringBuilder;
> - iterate source string and use current char's ASCII code as an index 
> of a cell of array mentioned above:
>     a) if the array's cell has value > 0  then the source char should 
> be stripped out/skipped; set uppercase flag = true;
>     b) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = true 
> then uppercase current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's; set uppercase flag = false;
>     c) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = false 
> then lower case current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's string;
>
>
> Here is C# code:
>
>
> private static string[] delimiters = "
> |%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|(|)".Split('|');
> private static byte[] sieve = new byte[255]; private static bool 
> initialized = false; static void JamOutBadChars() { if (!initialized) 
> {
>     sieve.Initialize();
>     foreach (string delimiter in delimiters)
>     {
>         sieve[(int)delimiter.Substring(0, 1).ToCharArray()[0]] = 1;
>     }
>     initialized = true;
> }
> string[] test = {"John colby  ",
>         "%idiotic_Field*name&!@",
>         " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#",
>         "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system          "};
>
> foreach (string source in test)
> {
>     StringBuilder result = new StringBuilder(source.Length);
>     bool upperCase = true;
>     foreach (char c in source.ToCharArray())
>     {
>         if (sieve[(int)c] > 0) upperCase = true;
>         else if (upperCase)
>         {
>             result.Append(c.ToString().ToUpper());
>             upperCase = false;
>         }
>         else result.Append(c.ToString().ToLower());
>     }
>     Console.WriteLine(source + " => {" + result + "}"); } }
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Bahr
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
>
> Hi John, here is one way to do it (although there are many ways to get 
> the same end result).  Mind you this is air code but hopefully should 
> be enough to get you going.  You will need to create the main loop 
> within your code.
>
> Create a list of all delimiters that are used in your CSV files such 
> as delimiters = '%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:| '
>
> then run through your CSV files line by line evaluating the line 
> saving the line into an array thisarray = Split(line, delimiters)
>
> then run through the array performing a Ucase on the first letter of 
> each word newline = ""
> For item=1 to ubound
>   newline = newline & whatEverToCapFirstChar(item) Next item
>
> where ubound is the array size
>
>
> Now here are two scripts that do the same thing, one is Perl and the 
> other is TCL.  Both of these languages are open source and free and 
> can be gotten at http://www.activestate.com/Products/languages.plex
>
> Perl:
>
> my $delimiters = '/:| |\%|\*|\$|\@|\!|\#|\&|^|_|-|,|\./';
> my @test = ("John colby",
>             "%idiotic_Field*name",
>             "hey#hey#Hey,hello_world",
>             "this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system");
>
> foreach my $item (@test) {
>    my $temp = "";
>    my @list = split ($delimiters, $item);
>    foreach my $thing (@list) {
>       $temp .= ucfirst($thing);
>    }
>    print "$temp\n";
>
> }
>
> Result
> d:\Perl>pascalcase.pl
> JohnColby
> IdioticFieldName
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld
> ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
> TCL:
>
> set delimiters {%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|\ "} set test [list {John 
> colby} {%idiotic_Field*name} {hey#hey#Hey,hello_world} 
> {this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system}]
>
>
> foreach item $test {
>    set str ""
>    set mylist [split $item, $delimiters]
>    foreach thing $mylist {
>       set s [string totitle $thing]
>       set str "$str$s"
>    }
>    puts $str
>
> }
>
> Results
> D:\VisualTcl\Projects>tclsh pascalcase.tcl JohnColby IdioticFieldName 
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
>
> hth, Mike...

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From robert at servicexp.com  Mon Oct  1 06:21:28 2007
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:21:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - Locking Problem
In-Reply-To: <s700cb3f.089@cactus.dk>
References: <s700cb3f.089@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4700D838.8020509@servicexp.com>

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Gustav,
 I don't believe so. My users machines were fully patched, with the
problem. I don't believe that I discovered the solution until early this
year. I do remember posting a "Heads Up" here a few weeks after I
confirmed the patch worked.

 I had to call MS for the patches, as it was not openly available at the
time.  I would think by now though, the patches would have been rolled
up into an open released patch.

 If I remember correctly, there was a newer version of Jet in the patch..

WBR
Robert


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Robert and Reuben
> 
> But wasn't that patch (from April, 2005) included in Win2003 SP2?
> 
> <quote>
> Service pack information
> To resolve this problem, obtain the latest service pack for Windows Server 2003. ..
> </quote>
> 
> If so, Reuben, this means that the notwork guys didn't update the server. And if so, what do they think SPs are for?
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> robert at servicexp.com 28-09-2007 23:55 >>>
> Reuben,
>  I struggled for a looooooong time with what sounds like the same error. I
> just happened across a MS KB about the problem. Had my users install the
> patches and problem solved. 
> 
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895751 
> 
> 
> If you need the patch's (Win 2003 & XP) I believe I still have them..
> 
> 
> 
> WBR
> Robert
> 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:54 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K - Locking Problem
> 
> I have a client that is receiving messages stating "The Microsoft Jet
> Database engine stopped the process because you..."  Basically trying to say
> that the record has been edited by someone else.
> 
> This has happened several times lately.  There is always a .ldb hangin
> around after closing the app (by all users - there are 4 users).  This is
> occurring even if only one person is using the app.  And even then the ldb
> is still not deleted.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 07:11:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:11:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
Message-ID: <s7010017.097@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

No, they are not identical. Here is the corrected version which now runs slightly faster:

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBAPoking()
'  ' This times at 4 mins 16 seconds
  ' This times at 3 mins 40 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit As String
  Dim varStr(5), lngPos As Long
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted: "HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted: "Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
    
'     str2Parse = varStr(iVarLoop): bFlipCase = True: strResult = Left(Space(255), Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop)): bFlipCase = True: strResult = Space(Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
'        strBit = LCase(Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1))
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1)
        
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          lngPos = lngPos + 1
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          Mid(strResult, lngPos, 1) = strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      strResult = Trim(strResult) ' drop any spaces left in string
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 01-10-2007 12:34 >>>
Hi Gustav,
I have tried your version of poking the values into a string using the MID.
The results is 31 seconds LONGER than the previous verions.
Both version are below.  Identical (I think) apart from the poking bit.

Max

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const conBadChars As String = "!?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in this
string
Const conIterations As Long = 1000000 ' one million iterations

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBAPoking()
  ' This times at 4 mins 16 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5), lngPos As Long
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      str2Parse = varStr(iVarLoop): bFlipCase = True: strResult =
Left(Space(255), Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = LCase(Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1))
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          lngPos = lngPos + 1
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          Mid(strResult, lngPos, 1) = strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      strResult = Trim(strResult) ' drop any spaces left in string
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBA()
  ' This times at 3 mins 45 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop)): bFlipCase = True: strResult = ""
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this
construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then
replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it
matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are ' not allowed by Windows as a
file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen ' 2002-05-22.
Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the
right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your
code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate
not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 30-09-2007 10:52 >>>
Hi Shamil,
Clearly your compiled solution is by way and far the quickest solution.
I have tried all sorts of VBA solutions including looking at XOR, IMP, EQV,
bitwise solutions, but there overheads were considerable.
The best I can come up with in VBA is below.
One million iterations on my Dell Inspiron comes in at 3 min 52 secs.

If John didn't want to Hump it, then RegExpr appears to be the answer within
pure VBA 

Max

Function dbc2()
  Const conGoodChars As String = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" ' valid
characters
  Const conBadChars As String = "?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in
this string
  Const conLoops As Long = 1000000
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVars As Integer, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLen As Integer, strTemp As String, bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As
String, strResult As String, strBit As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  "
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conLoops
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      strResult = ""
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop))
      str2Parse = UCase(Left(str2Parse, 1)) & Mid(str2Parse, 2)
      For iLen = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLen, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLen
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  MsgBox tLapsedTime: Debug.Print tLapsedTime End Function
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

<<<
However for more complicated
string operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very
suitable and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.
>>>
Hi Mike,

That's clear, and the John's task is to get the speediest solution.


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Shamil, yes regex's are slower in .Net due to I believe all the objects
overhead.  For simple string operations regexes would probrably not be
effiecent BUT would be easier to write.  However for more complicated string
operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very suitable
and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.

Mike...

> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to note: I have seen somewhere an article about RegEx being 
> considerably slower than a mere strings comparison etc. I cannot find 
> this article now, can you?
>
> Here is a similar article on ColdFusion and Java (watch line wraps) -
>
>
http://www.bennadel.com/blog/410-Regular-Expression-Finds-vs-String-Finds.ht 

> m
>
> The info above should be also true for C#/VB.NET (just remember there 
> are no miracles in this world)...
>
> John, this could be critical information for you because of your 
> computers processing zillion gigabytes of data - if that slowness of 
> RegEx
vs.
> string
> comparison operation proves to be true then mere chars/strings 
> comparison and simple iteration over source string's char array could 
> be the most effective solution, which will save you hours and hours of
computing time:
>
> - define a 256 bytes long table (I guess you use extended ASCII (256 
> chars
> max) only John - right?) with to be stripped out chars marked by 1;
> - define upperCase flag;
> - allocate destination string, which is as long as the source one - 
> use StringBuilder;
> - iterate source string and use current char's ASCII code as an index 
> of a cell of array mentioned above:
>     a) if the array's cell has value > 0  then the source char should 
> be stripped out/skipped; set uppercase flag = true;
>     b) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = true 
> then uppercase current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's; set uppercase flag = false;
>     c) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = false 
> then lower case current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's string;
>
>
> Here is C# code:
>
>
> private static string[] delimiters = "
> |%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|(|)".Split('|');
> private static byte[] sieve = new byte[255]; private static bool 
> initialized = false; static void JamOutBadChars() { if (!initialized) 
> {
>     sieve.Initialize();
>     foreach (string delimiter in delimiters)
>     {
>         sieve[(int)delimiter.Substring(0, 1).ToCharArray()[0]] = 1;
>     }
>     initialized = true;
> }
> string[] test = {"John colby  ",
>         "%idiotic_Field*name&!@",
>         " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#",
>         "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system          "};
>
> foreach (string source in test)
> {
>     StringBuilder result = new StringBuilder(source.Length);
>     bool upperCase = true;
>     foreach (char c in source.ToCharArray())
>     {
>         if (sieve[(int)c] > 0) upperCase = true;
>         else if (upperCase)
>         {
>             result.Append(c.ToString().ToUpper());
>             upperCase = false;
>         }
>         else result.Append(c.ToString().ToLower());
>     }
>     Console.WriteLine(source + " => {" + result + "}"); } }
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Bahr
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
>
> Hi John, here is one way to do it (although there are many ways to get 
> the same end result).  Mind you this is air code but hopefully should 
> be enough to get you going.  You will need to create the main loop 
> within your code.
>
> Create a list of all delimiters that are used in your CSV files such 
> as delimiters = '%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:| '
>
> then run through your CSV files line by line evaluating the line 
> saving the line into an array thisarray = Split(line, delimiters)
>
> then run through the array performing a Ucase on the first letter of 
> each word newline = ""
> For item=1 to ubound
>   newline = newline & whatEverToCapFirstChar(item) Next item
>
> where ubound is the array size
>
>
> Now here are two scripts that do the same thing, one is Perl and the 
> other is TCL.  Both of these languages are open source and free and 
> can be gotten at http://www.activestate.com/Products/languages.plex 
>
> Perl:
>
> my $delimiters = '/:| |\%|\*|\$|\@|\!|\#|\&|^|_|-|,|\./';
> my @test = ("John colby",
>             "%idiotic_Field*name",
>             "hey#hey#Hey,hello_world",
>             "this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system");
>
> foreach my $item (@test) {
>    my $temp = "";
>    my @list = split ($delimiters, $item);
>    foreach my $thing (@list) {
>       $temp .= ucfirst($thing);
>    }
>    print "$temp\n";
>
> }
>
> Result
> d:\Perl>pascalcase.pl
> JohnColby
> IdioticFieldName
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld
> ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
> TCL:
>
> set delimiters {%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|\ "} set test [list {John 
> colby} {%idiotic_Field*name} {hey#hey#Hey,hello_world} 
> {this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system}]
>
>
> foreach item $test {
>    set str ""
>    set mylist [split $item, $delimiters]
>    foreach thing $mylist {
>       set s [string totitle $thing]
>       set str "$str$s"
>    }
>    puts $str
>
> }
>
> Results
> D:\VisualTcl\Projects>tclsh pascalcase.tcl JohnColby IdioticFieldName 
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
>
> hth, Mike...



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 07:47:01 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:47:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <s7010017.097@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000301c80429$2a8504f0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Thanks Gustav,missed those bits.
Poking now completes in 3 min 26 sec
Concatenating now completes in 3 mins 41 seconds 
A diff of 14 secs over 1 million iterations.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max

No, they are not identical. Here is the corrected version which now runs
slightly faster:

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBAPoking()
'  ' This times at 4 mins 16 seconds
  ' This times at 3 mins 40 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5), lngPos As Long
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
    
'     str2Parse = varStr(iVarLoop): bFlipCase = True: strResult =
Left(Space(255), Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop)): bFlipCase = True: strResult =
Space(Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
'        strBit = LCase(Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1))
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1)
        
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          lngPos = lngPos + 1
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          Mid(strResult, lngPos, 1) = strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      strResult = Trim(strResult) ' drop any spaces left in string
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function

/gustav



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 07:57:59 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:57:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
Message-ID: <s7010b05.001@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Fine. Now try with a string of, say, 8K ...

Hint: Reduce conIterations by a 10- or 100-factor.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 01-10-2007 14:47 >>>
Thanks Gustav,missed those bits.
Poking now completes in 3 min 26 sec
Concatenating now completes in 3 mins 41 seconds 
A diff of 14 secs over 1 million iterations.

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 08:44:08 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:44:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <s7010b05.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000901c80431$2500d7e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

No, need.  Faster is faster.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max

Fine. Now try with a string of, say, 8K ...

Hint: Reduce conIterations by a 10- or 100-factor.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 01-10-2007 14:47 >>>
Thanks Gustav,missed those bits.
Poking now completes in 3 min 26 sec
Concatenating now completes in 3 mins 41 seconds A diff of 14 secs over 1
million iterations.

Max


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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Oct  1 09:27:38 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:27:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DDBB@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 10:20:01 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:20:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?

There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

TIA.
Arthur


From askolits at nni.com  Mon Oct  1 10:47:29 2007
From: askolits at nni.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:47:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701c80442$5f753a90$0f01a8c0@officexp>

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field 
Dim prop As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  1 10:46:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:46:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DDBB@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DDBB@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Oct  1 10:51:11 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:51:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701c80442$e41679d0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Arthur,

Try DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowUnhide

doug 

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?

There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

TIA.
Arthur
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 10:53:03 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:53:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
Message-ID: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799






From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Oct  1 11:01:32 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:01:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DDBB@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF18@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I found what is happening but don't have a solution yet. When I click on the command button to print a report it triggers the on exit event of the startdate or enddate textboxes depending on which one has the focus. The code to print does not run and the report does not print. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Oct  1 11:07:38 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:07:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  1 11:10:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:10:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <003701c80442$e41679d0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
	<003701c80442$e41679d0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B7@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

That's the database window, not the switchboard manager.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Arthur,

Try DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowUnhide

doug 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard
manager?

There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

TIA.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  1 11:12:03 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:12:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

First examine why you have OnExit events there.  If this is in a header,
you can't have all that many controls in it.  Why not just use tab order
and skip the OnExit.  Setting a focus in OnExit can drive a user crazy.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


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Engineering Technician
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Office (432) 688-3797
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 11:28:32 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:28:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005301c80448$1c276780$8119fea9@LTVM>

Arthur,
Try this.

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSwitchboardManager

Max
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?

There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

TIA.
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Mon Oct  1 11:41:16 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:41:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <003701c80442$5f753a90$0f01a8c0@officexp>
References: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
	<003701c80442$5f753a90$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A106A842A@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Shot in the dark here, but maybe you have to create the caption property for the field BEFORE appending the field to the table.

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field 
Dim prop As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.


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From askolits at nni.com  Mon Oct  1 11:56:10 2007
From: askolits at nni.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:56:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A106A842A@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <004201c8044b$f7a6a110$6601a8c0@LaptopXP>

Actually tried that. Same error.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Shot in the dark here, but maybe you have to create the caption property for
the field BEFORE appending the field to the table.

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field 
Dim prop As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 11:59:41 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:59:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <005301c80448$1c276780$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
	<005301c80448$1c276780$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710010959w42b0dce2x8110753d1fe8fb1c@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly, that one is not listed. I should have mentioned that I tried that. At
least until I figure it out, it's available on the menu.

On 10/1/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur,
> Try this.
>
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSwitchboardManager
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
>
> Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?
>
> There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.
>
> TIA.
> Arthur
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 12:13:18 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:13:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710010959w42b0dce2x8110753d1fe8fb1c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006001c8044e$5da34340$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Arthur,
It works for my system (Access 2002-2003) V11.0 SP2

Are you running a different version to me perhaps?

Check out the  docmd.runcommand options.  There are tons there.


Max
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Sadly, that one is not listed. I should have mentioned that I tried that. At
least until I figure it out, it's available on the menu.

On 10/1/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur,
> Try this.
>
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSwitchboardManager
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
>
> Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?
>
> There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.
>
> TIA.
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 12:39:48 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:39:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <006001c8044e$5da34340$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <29f585dd0710010959w42b0dce2x8110753d1fe8fb1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<006001c8044e$5da34340$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710011039g438cba88w7ce7f9b170006826@mail.gmail.com>

That explains it. This app is in Access 2000. Thanks for the clarification.

On 10/1/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur,
> It works for my system (Access 2002-2003) V11.0 SP2
>
> Are you running a different version to me perhaps?
>
> Check out the  docmd.runcommand options.  There are tons there.
>
>


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct  1 12:53:02 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:53:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <003701c80442$5f753a90$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <008001c80453$e9b77450$2b51d355@minster33c3r25>

Hi John
Have you tried?


Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption")
prop.Type=dbText
prop.Value="Test Caption"
fld.Properties.Append prop

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Skolits
> Sent: 01 October 2007 16:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property
> 
> 
> My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table 
> fields. I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to 
> many archives and all the solution seemed similar, but it 
> still won't work for me. Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field 
> Dim prop As Dao.Property
>   
>     'Create Table (This Works)
>     Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
>     Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")
> 
>     'Create Field  (This Works)
>     Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
>     tdf.Fields.Append fld
>     
>     'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
>      Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")
> 
>     'Append the property (Breaks Here)
>     fld.Properties.Append prop
> 
>  
> Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 13:11:16 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:11:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <004201c8044b$f7a6a110$6601a8c0@LaptopXP>
Message-ID: <006a01c80456$78a6e040$8119fea9@LTVM>

John,
You cannot do that because the property already exists!  The CAPTION
property is already defined when you create a table.  You cannot re-create
it.

You should be able to do something with this code below.  I leave it to you
to adapt it to do whatever it is you want.

Regards

Max


Function fSetFieldCaptions()
  On Error Resume Next
  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, prp As Property, fld As Field, tbl As
DAO.TableDef
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  For Each tbl In dbs.TableDefs
    If tbl.Name = "Table1" Then
    For Each fld In tbl.Fields
      For Each prp In fld.Properties
        If fld.Name = "Desc" Then
          If prp.Name = "Caption" Then
              prp.Value = "MyNewCaptionName"
          End If
        End If
      Next prp
    Next fld
    End If
  Next tbl
End Function

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Actually tried that. Same error.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Shot in the dark here, but maybe you have to create the caption property for
the field BEFORE appending the field to the table.

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field Dim prop
As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.


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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Oct  1 13:20:24 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:20:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
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	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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I was using OnExit events on a start date and end date text boxes on the
form to perform data validation. Maybe there is a better way to do this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

First examine why you have OnExit events there.  If this is in a header,
you can't have all that many controls in it.  Why not just use tab order
and skip the OnExit.  Setting a focus in OnExit can drive a user crazy.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799




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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  1 13:46:16 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:46:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E042@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E042@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037C4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Another way might be use the AfterUpdate events instead to call a test
that looks at both controls.  I'm assuming you're cross checking the
dates to be sure start is before end, etc?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I was using OnExit events on a start date and end date text boxes on the
form to perform data validation. Maybe there is a better way to do this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

First examine why you have OnExit events there.  If this is in a header,
you can't have all that many controls in it.  Why not just use tab order
and skip the OnExit.  Setting a focus in OnExit can drive a user crazy.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799




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From askolits at nni.com  Mon Oct  1 13:50:44 2007
From: askolits at nni.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:50:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
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	<006a01c80456$78a6e040$8119fea9@LTVM>
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Hmmm... Well I tried your code and it did not find the Caption property,
unless I had entered its value manually at some point.

The tables I'm creating are through VBA and there were never any caption
provided.

The Caption property is a strange one. It is not part of the field
properties unless you create it yourself. (Or enter the caption text using
Table Design mode.)

If you print out the properties, based on your code, the only ones found
are:

ValidationText
Required
AllowZeroLength
FieldSize
OriginalValue
VisibleValue
ColumnWidth
ColumnOrder
ColumnHidden
DecimalPlaces
DisplayControl
GUID
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

John,
You cannot do that because the property already exists!  The CAPTION
property is already defined when you create a table.  You cannot re-create
it.

You should be able to do something with this code below.  I leave it to you
to adapt it to do whatever it is you want.

Regards

Max


Function fSetFieldCaptions()
  On Error Resume Next
  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, prp As Property, fld As Field, tbl As
DAO.TableDef
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  For Each tbl In dbs.TableDefs
    If tbl.Name = "Table1" Then
    For Each fld In tbl.Fields
      For Each prp In fld.Properties
        If fld.Name = "Desc" Then
          If prp.Name = "Caption" Then
              prp.Value = "MyNewCaptionName"
          End If
        End If
      Next prp
    Next fld
    End If
  Next tbl
End Function

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Actually tried that. Same error.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Shot in the dark here, but maybe you have to create the caption property for
the field BEFORE appending the field to the table.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field Dim prop
As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.


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From askolits at nni.com  Mon Oct  1 13:58:44 2007
From: askolits at nni.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:58:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property - RESOLVED
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	<008001c80453$e9b77450$2b51d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <008e01c8045d$17363fc0$0f01a8c0@officexp>

Yes, I did try that.

I have found that the problem is that you must append the table first to the
tables collection, before you can add the property.
That's weird since all the examples I have found seemed to indicate you
could do it while building the table.

Well, I finally figured it out.


Thanks,

John



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Hi John
Have you tried?


Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption") prop.Type=dbText prop.Value="Test
Caption"
fld.Properties.Append prop

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John 
> Skolits
> Sent: 01 October 2007 16:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property
> 
> 
> My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields. I'm 
> sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all 
> the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me. Can 
> anyone tell me what's wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field Dim 
> prop As Dao.Property
>   
>     'Create Table (This Works)
>     Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
>     Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")
> 
>     'Create Field  (This Works)
>     Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
>     tdf.Fields.Append fld
>     
>     'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
>      Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")
> 
>     'Append the property (Breaks Here)
>     fld.Properties.Append prop
> 
>  
> Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 14:14:41 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:14:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <008d01c8045b$f9423560$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <007101c8045f$52706140$8119fea9@LTVM>

John,
Here is an example from the help file.  I am sure you can work through this
to do what you want.
I *think* that perhaps the Caption field is shown in Table Design view, even
though it has not actually been created, which is why when I run code like
this:

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, sql as string 
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  sql = "Create Table Table2 (MyDesc Text, MyNumber number)"
  dbs.Execute (sql)

And then look at it in Table Design view, I can see the Caption Property,
but I cannot see it in code UNLESS I first of all type a value into the
Caption Field, at which time (I think) Access actually creates the property.

Below is some code which should give you what you want.

I am running Access 2002-2003 Version 11.0 SP2

Regards
Max

CreateProperty Method Example

This example tries to set the value of a user-defined property. If the
property doesn't exist, it uses the CreateProperty method to create and set
the value of the new property. The SetProperty procedure is required for
this procedure to run.

Sub CreatePropertyX()

   Dim dbsNorthwind As Database
   Dim prpLoop As Property

   Set dbsNorthwind = OpenDatabase("Northwind.mdb")

   ' Set the Archive property to True.
   SetProperty dbsNorthwind, "Archive", True
   
   With dbsNorthwind
      Debug.Print "Properties of " & .Name
      
      ' Enumerate Properties collection of the Northwind 
      ' database.
      For Each prpLoop In .Properties
         If prpLoop <> "" Then Debug.Print "  " & _
            prpLoop.Name & " = " & prpLoop
      Next prpLoop

      ' Delete the new property since this is a 
      ' demonstration.
      .Properties.Delete "Archive"

      .Close
   End With

End Sub

Sub SetProperty(dbsTemp As Database, strName As String, _
   booTemp As Boolean)

   Dim prpNew As Property
   Dim errLoop As Error

   ' Attempt to set the specified property.
   On Error GoTo Err_Property
   dbsTemp.Properties("strName") = booTemp
   On Error GoTo 0

   Exit Sub

Err_Property:

   ' Error 3270 means that the property was not found.
   If DBEngine.Errors(0).Number = 3270 Then
      ' Create property, set its value, and append it to the 
      ' Properties collection.
      Set prpNew = dbsTemp.CreateProperty(strName, _
         dbBoolean, booTemp)
      dbsTemp.Properties.Append prpNew
      Resume Next
   Else
      ' If different error has occurred, display message.
      For Each errLoop In DBEngine.Errors
         MsgBox "Error number: " & errLoop.Number & vbCr & _
            errLoop.Description
      Next errLoop
      End
   End If

End Sub



From jengross at gte.net  Mon Oct  1 15:43:05 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:43:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Microsoft Project
Message-ID: <011601c8046b$b25eace0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hello All,

I have a client that is looking into using Microsoft Project or some
other project management software.  They are looking at either 2003 Pro
or one of the 2007 versions.  They will have multiple concurrent users
and will likely require customization with integration to both Microsoft
Access and SQL Server database.

I have never worked with Project and am looking for opinions, insight,
any thoughts on the matter.

Thank you in advance,

Jennifer Gross
office:  (805) 480-1921
fax:	   (805) 499-0467 




From cjlabs at worldnet.att.net  Mon Oct  1 16:20:16 2007
From: cjlabs at worldnet.att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:20:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot export to RTF from Access2007
References: <009d01c8018b$aa123120$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001001c80470$de7f1da0$6401a8c0@XPcomputer>

FYI -- I got a return call from Microsoft that Access2007 cannot export to 
Word a report from a compiled Access2000 format database.   Access crashes 
when you attempt to export the report.  The original report that my database 
is corrupt was incorrect.

They are advising using 2002-2003 format or 2007 format with Access2007.


Carolyn Johnson



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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
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Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cannot export to RTF from Access2007


>I have encountered differences between mdbs and mdes on A2K3 and WXP where
> the mdb would run and the mde would fail.
>
> The only way I was able to trace it down was to put message boxes in the
> code after every line - MsgBox "Point 1", MsgBox "Point 2", MsgBox "Point
> 3", etc.  Eventually I found a problem in the code that DIDN'T (!) raise 
> an
> error in the mdb but failed in the mde.
>
> Access.  Ya gotta love it.
>
> Not much help I know but that's my only experience with this.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Cannot export to RTF from Access2007
>
> I have a compiled Access2000 database running on Vista/Access2007.
>
> When I try to export any report to RTF, I get an error that Access is
> shutting down.    On a second computer running Vista/Access2007, I get the
> error "Object variable or With block variable not set".  (Not sure why 
> there
> are different responses.)
>
> Non-compiled version of the database exports without an error on
> Vista/Access2007 machine.
>
> Either compiled or non-compiled database on the same computer in 
> Access2003
> exports fine.
>
> Either compiled or non-compiled database on a WindowsXP/Access2000 machine
> exports fine.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have Access2007 on a non-Vista computer at the
> moment.
>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this?
>
>
> TIA,
> Carolyn Johnson
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  2 07:59:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:59:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bulk insert and table names
Message-ID: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

You guys will love this one.  I am writing .Net stuff to do imports of these
huge text files.  I fill a directory with files to be imported, then the
code gets the file names in that directory and iterates through importing
the files.  I use the bulk copy object to do the insert.  

In this case I had files named using the two digit state code by the people
who generated the source files.

AK.txt
AL.txt
...
WY.txt

I simply stripped off the .txt and use the file name itself as the name of a
temp table into which I import the data.  Once imported and validated, I
then append the temp table to the permanent table and delete the temp table.
I log EVERYTHING from the start / stop time of each operation to the error
text, how many records successfully imported into the temp table etc.

With me so far?

My code takes off and runs.  I end up with TWO files - IN.txt and OR.txt -
that refuse to import.  The error message thrown by the Bulk Copy object is
"cannot access the destination table".  These tables - IN and OR do indeed
exist, nothing wrong with them.  I have code that builds the tables
on-the-fly and the tables are being built but the BulkCopy object cannot
append the data into them.

After an embarrassingly long period of head scratching, checking that I have
sufficient disk space (this is a terabyte array, I have enough space!),
compacting the database etc. it finally dawns on me that perhaps the table
names are verboten.  I changed the name of the input files from IN.txt to
IND.txt and OR.txt to ORE.txt and voila, she runs.

My best guess at this point is that the Bulk Copy object or something it
calls in SQL Server to get its job done views IN and OR as key words and
will not allow some operations to be performed on tables named that.  Notice
that I could execute, using the CMD object in .NET, SQL code to create the
tables and THAT worked.

Anyway, just another piece of trivia to remember - somewhere in the bowels
of SQL Server exists a distaste for table names (and field names as well?)
that are the same as key words.  Which of course leads us to the question,
where is the list of key words that we are not allowed to use?

On a related note, I also create and index a PKID in the tables.  In fact I
quite doing so in the temp tables since it served no useful purpose, however
while I was still doing so I ran into an interesting similar problem.  I was
naming the indexes IX & FieldName, whatever field name might be.  Because I
always used PKID as my field name, SQL Server complained about the index in
the second table I tried to create (I create the permanent and then the temp
table).  It turns out that the index names appear to be stored in a common
collection keyed on the index name and so the second time I tried to create
the same name for an index (in a DIFFERENT table) SQL Server threw an error.
I ended up using IX & TableName & FieldName as the index name and it worked
just fine of course.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Oct  2 08:07:00 2007
From: Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:07:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Bulk insert and table names
In-Reply-To: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107C792DF09@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Hi John

List of SQL 2000 Keywords

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa238507(SQL.80).aspx


Martin


Martin Reid
Telephone: 02890974465



From robert at webedb.com  Tue Oct  2 08:36:32 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:36:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7535.1190994530.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.7535.1190994530.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>

No.  The transactional tables are always part of a totally different system.

You use a process of some kind to load the data from the transactional system,
say orders, into the data mart.

tblCustomer                 tblCustomerType
CustID                      CustomerTypeID
CustName                    CustomerTypeDesc
CustTypeID
PmtTermsID

tblCustomerAddress          tblPmtTerms
CustAddressID               PmtTermsID
CustID                      PmtTermsDesc
AddressTypeID
AddressLine1                tblAddressType
AddressLine2                AddressTypeID
City                        AddressTypeDesc
State
PostalCode


tblOrder                    tblOrderDetail
OrderID                     OrderDetailID
CustID                      OrderID
ShippingMethodID            ProductID
OrderDate                   QtyOrdered
ShipDate                    QtyShipped

tblProducts                 tblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc
QtyOnHand
QtyOnOrder
ReorderPoint
LastCost
SalesPrice

Assuming the above as our transactional system and all the data entry
would be done in the above tables.

Our star schema would look something like this:

dtblCustomer                 dtblDates
CustomerID                   DateID
CustName                     YearText
CustTypeDesc                 YearNbr
PmtTermsDesc                 MonthText
ShippingAddressLine1         MonthNbr
ShippingAddressLine2         MonthAbrev
ShippingCity                 MonthYearText
ShippingState                YearMonthText
ShippingPostalCode           DayText
BillingAddressLine1          DayNbr
BillingAddressLine2          DayOfYearNbr
BillingCity
BillingState
BillingPostalCode

dtblProducts                dtblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc

ftblOrders
CustID
DateID
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

In ftblOrders the PK would be CustID, DateID, ProductID, ShippingMethodID.
Notice in dtblCustomer, the address information has been denormalized
so that we do not have to join to the address table.  If we did not do that,
it would be called a snowflake.

Sorry that I did not get back to you quicker. I would out of touch with email
due to my wedding :0)

Robert

At 10:48 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:21:10 +0100
>From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mucking around
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <019601c801da$d1b69000$8119fea9 at LTVM>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Robert, be careful now.  You are starting to drift away...
>
>Snowflake: This to me is a miltary policeman (RMP) so called because they
>wore white hats.
>True Stars: I can understand this cos my staff often say "Max you are a true
>star" (costs me a fortune each time).
>
>But, I *think* I am still with you.
>
>So, we have a Form which captures data.  (Is this the transactional system
>you mention).  The code then writes each entry into a Transaction Table
>(flat file) all data written regardless of duplication in other data
>entries.
>
>The Transaction Table then forms part of the data mart.  There is no lookup
>or linked tables. Everything is in the Transaction Table.
>
>Have I got it right so far?
>
>Max




From robert at webedb.com  Tue Oct  2 08:53:51 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:53:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7586.1191005567.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.7586.1191005567.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710021356.l92DuqWA003818@databaseadvisors.com>

Max,

I sent an example to the list a little while ago. I think
that will help you with the design. But, to expand on it
further.

ftblOrdersByWeek
CustID
WeekOfYear
YearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

ftblOrdersByMonthyear
CustID
MonthYearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

ftblOrdersByYear
CustID
YearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice


Now, there are additional fact tables that still use the same dimensions
but are now summarized differently. This is the advantage of a mart/warehouse.
All the math is already do. The data is stored at the granularity you
want to report at. Granularity is almost always related to the time dimension
of your facts.

ftbl - fact table
dtbl - dimension table

Robert

At 01:52 PM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:21:39 +0100
>From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mucking around
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <020e01c801fc$6ad269a0$8119fea9 at LTVM>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Thanks John,
>Normalised data I understand.
>What I don't understand is how we get from that to Data Marts.
>
>Q1: What do I  do with my normalised tables.  If the answer is to leave the
>data in the normalised table and then re-post it to a flat table, then why
>could that not have been done at data entry.
>Q2: If the answer to Q1 is go straight to flat tables, then what do I do
>AFTER that.
>
>When it then comes to pulling the data out into reports are we talking about
>using software other than Access?
>
>The terminology is throwing me a bit too (well, to be honest, it is throwing
>me a lot).
>With the help of you guys, I will undertand it eventually.
>
>What is conceptually throwing me at the moment though is this:  If the
>reason people use datamarts (Star/Snow) to quickly create reports which
>dice/slice down through the data, then are we or are we not just moving the
>"time Taken" from the report stage to the data input stage (which would make
>sense to me).  But if I am completely wrong here, then I really am "all at
>sea!"
>
>Thanks
>Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 08:58:13 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:58:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c804fc$471a8850$8119fea9@LTVM>

Thanks Robert,
I will digest all of that in due course.
Congratulations on your wedding.
I hope it all went well for you.
Regards
Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)

No.  The transactional tables are always part of a totally different system.

You use a process of some kind to load the data from the transactional
system, say orders, into the data mart.

tblCustomer                 tblCustomerType
CustID                      CustomerTypeID
CustName                    CustomerTypeDesc
CustTypeID
PmtTermsID

tblCustomerAddress          tblPmtTerms
CustAddressID               PmtTermsID
CustID                      PmtTermsDesc
AddressTypeID
AddressLine1                tblAddressType
AddressLine2                AddressTypeID
City                        AddressTypeDesc
State
PostalCode


tblOrder                    tblOrderDetail
OrderID                     OrderDetailID
CustID                      OrderID
ShippingMethodID            ProductID
OrderDate                   QtyOrdered
ShipDate                    QtyShipped

tblProducts                 tblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc
QtyOnHand
QtyOnOrder
ReorderPoint
LastCost
SalesPrice

Assuming the above as our transactional system and all the data entry would
be done in the above tables.

Our star schema would look something like this:

dtblCustomer                 dtblDates
CustomerID                   DateID
CustName                     YearText
CustTypeDesc                 YearNbr
PmtTermsDesc                 MonthText
ShippingAddressLine1         MonthNbr
ShippingAddressLine2         MonthAbrev
ShippingCity                 MonthYearText
ShippingState                YearMonthText
ShippingPostalCode           DayText
BillingAddressLine1          DayNbr
BillingAddressLine2          DayOfYearNbr
BillingCity
BillingState
BillingPostalCode

dtblProducts                dtblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc

ftblOrders
CustID
DateID
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

In ftblOrders the PK would be CustID, DateID, ProductID, ShippingMethodID.
Notice in dtblCustomer, the address information has been denormalized so
that we do not have to join to the address table.  If we did not do that, it
would be called a snowflake.

Sorry that I did not get back to you quicker. I would out of touch with
email due to my wedding :0)

Robert

At 10:48 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:21:10 +0100
>From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mucking around
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <019601c801da$d1b69000$8119fea9 at LTVM>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Robert, be careful now.  You are starting to drift away...
>
>Snowflake: This to me is a miltary policeman (RMP) so called because 
>they wore white hats.
>True Stars: I can understand this cos my staff often say "Max you are a 
>true star" (costs me a fortune each time).
>
>But, I *think* I am still with you.
>
>So, we have a Form which captures data.  (Is this the transactional 
>system you mention).  The code then writes each entry into a 
>Transaction Table (flat file) all data written regardless of 
>duplication in other data entries.
>
>The Transaction Table then forms part of the data mart.  There is no 
>lookup or linked tables. Everything is in the Transaction Table.
>
>Have I got it right so far?
>
>Max


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct  2 08:58:16 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:58:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bulk insert and table names
In-Reply-To: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002301c804fc$48550420$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Thanks John!

I once spent hours trying to do an INSERT INTO for an Access field titled
'Note'.  Eventually, on a hunch I changed the name and all worked well!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:59 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bulk insert and table names

You guys will love this one.  I am writing .Net stuff to do imports of these
huge text files.  I fill a directory with files to be imported, then the
code gets the file names in that directory and iterates through importing
the files.  I use the bulk copy object to do the insert.  

In this case I had files named using the two digit state code by the people
who generated the source files.

AK.txt
AL.txt
...
WY.txt

I simply stripped off the .txt and use the file name itself as the name of a
temp table into which I import the data.  Once imported and validated, I
then append the temp table to the permanent table and delete the temp table.
I log EVERYTHING from the start / stop time of each operation to the error
text, how many records successfully imported into the temp table etc.

With me so far?

My code takes off and runs.  I end up with TWO files - IN.txt and OR.txt -
that refuse to import.  The error message thrown by the Bulk Copy object is
"cannot access the destination table".  These tables - IN and OR do indeed
exist, nothing wrong with them.  I have code that builds the tables
on-the-fly and the tables are being built but the BulkCopy object cannot
append the data into them.

After an embarrassingly long period of head scratching, checking that I have
sufficient disk space (this is a terabyte array, I have enough space!),
compacting the database etc. it finally dawns on me that perhaps the table
names are verboten.  I changed the name of the input files from IN.txt to
IND.txt and OR.txt to ORE.txt and voila, she runs.

My best guess at this point is that the Bulk Copy object or something it
calls in SQL Server to get its job done views IN and OR as key words and
will not allow some operations to be performed on tables named that.  Notice
that I could execute, using the CMD object in .NET, SQL code to create the
tables and THAT worked.

Anyway, just another piece of trivia to remember - somewhere in the bowels
of SQL Server exists a distaste for table names (and field names as well?)
that are the same as key words.  Which of course leads us to the question,
where is the list of key words that we are not allowed to use?

On a related note, I also create and index a PKID in the tables.  In fact I
quite doing so in the temp tables since it served no useful purpose, however
while I was still doing so I ran into an interesting similar problem.  I was
naming the indexes IX & FieldName, whatever field name might be.  Because I
always used PKID as my field name, SQL Server complained about the index in
the second table I tried to create (I create the permanent and then the temp
table).  It turns out that the index names appear to be stored in a common
collection keyed on the index name and so the second time I tried to create
the same name for an index (in a DIFFERENT table) SQL Server threw an error.
I ended up using IX & TableName & FieldName as the index name and it worked
just fine of course.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  2 09:01:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:01:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Bulk insert and table names
In-Reply-To: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107C792DF09@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107C792DF09@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <015f01c804fc$ba890230$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  

Thanks for that but I suppose my question was a jab at the concept that I
would HAVE to make sure that my table / field names did not collide with
some list of reserved words inside of SQL Server.  The SQL Server
programming team should ensure that I can name my tables and fields whatever
I want to, NOT look up my proposed table field names in THEIR (ever
changing) list of keywords and change my choice if it collides with their
reserved words.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:07 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Bulk insert and table names

Hi John

List of SQL 2000 Keywords

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa238507(SQL.80).aspx


Martin


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  2 09:02:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:02:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.7535.1190994530.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <016001c804fc$ec01cdb0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Congratulations on the wedding! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)

No.  The transactional tables are always part of a totally different system.

You use a process of some kind to load the data from the transactional
system, say orders, into the data mart.

tblCustomer                 tblCustomerType
CustID                      CustomerTypeID
CustName                    CustomerTypeDesc
CustTypeID
PmtTermsID

tblCustomerAddress          tblPmtTerms
CustAddressID               PmtTermsID
CustID                      PmtTermsDesc
AddressTypeID
AddressLine1                tblAddressType
AddressLine2                AddressTypeID
City                        AddressTypeDesc
State
PostalCode


tblOrder                    tblOrderDetail
OrderID                     OrderDetailID
CustID                      OrderID
ShippingMethodID            ProductID
OrderDate                   QtyOrdered
ShipDate                    QtyShipped

tblProducts                 tblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc
QtyOnHand
QtyOnOrder
ReorderPoint
LastCost
SalesPrice

Assuming the above as our transactional system and all the data entry would
be done in the above tables.

Our star schema would look something like this:

dtblCustomer                 dtblDates
CustomerID                   DateID
CustName                     YearText
CustTypeDesc                 YearNbr
PmtTermsDesc                 MonthText
ShippingAddressLine1         MonthNbr
ShippingAddressLine2         MonthAbrev
ShippingCity                 MonthYearText
ShippingState                YearMonthText
ShippingPostalCode           DayText
BillingAddressLine1          DayNbr
BillingAddressLine2          DayOfYearNbr
BillingCity
BillingState
BillingPostalCode

dtblProducts                dtblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc

ftblOrders
CustID
DateID
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

In ftblOrders the PK would be CustID, DateID, ProductID, ShippingMethodID.
Notice in dtblCustomer, the address information has been denormalized so
that we do not have to join to the address table.  If we did not do that, it
would be called a snowflake.

Sorry that I did not get back to you quicker. I would out of touch with
email due to my wedding :0)

Robert



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Oct  2 09:12:59 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:12:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bulk insert and table names
In-Reply-To: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAEF2@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


 <Which of course leads us to the question, where is the list of key
words that we are not allowed to use?>

Given the huge volume you are dealing with you can probably look forward
to discovering EVERY forbidden word over time. Compile the list, publish
it as "Bill Gates forbidden word list and the men who found them" go on
Dr Phil with an expose and voila, a celebrity is born. (Sorry I was up
LATE last night boxing PALLETS of soap to sell on QVC no less. Don't
ask.)
:-)
Jim Hale




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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 09:27:14 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:27:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <200710021356.l92DuqWA003818@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c80500$54e76990$8119fea9@LTVM>

Thanks again, Robert

Regards

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)

Max,

I sent an example to the list a little while ago. I think that will help you
with the design. But, to expand on it further.

ftblOrdersByWeek
CustID
WeekOfYear
YearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

ftblOrdersByMonthyear
CustID
MonthYearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

ftblOrdersByYear
CustID
YearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice


Now, there are additional fact tables that still use the same dimensions but
are now summarized differently. This is the advantage of a mart/warehouse.
All the math is already do. The data is stored at the granularity you want
to report at. Granularity is almost always related to the time dimension of
your facts.

ftbl - fact table
dtbl - dimension table

Robert

At 01:52 PM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:21:39 +0100
>From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mucking around
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <020e01c801fc$6ad269a0$8119fea9 at LTVM>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Thanks John,
>Normalised data I understand.
>What I don't understand is how we get from that to Data Marts.
>
>Q1: What do I  do with my normalised tables.  If the answer is to leave 
>the data in the normalised table and then re-post it to a flat table, 
>then why could that not have been done at data entry.
>Q2: If the answer to Q1 is go straight to flat tables, then what do I 
>do AFTER that.
>
>When it then comes to pulling the data out into reports are we talking 
>about using software other than Access?
>
>The terminology is throwing me a bit too (well, to be honest, it is 
>throwing me a lot).
>With the help of you guys, I will undertand it eventually.
>
>What is conceptually throwing me at the moment though is this:  If the 
>reason people use datamarts (Star/Snow) to quickly create reports which 
>dice/slice down through the data, then are we or are we not just moving 
>the "time Taken" from the report stage to the data input stage (which 
>would make sense to me).  But if I am completely wrong here, then I 
>really am "all at sea!"
>
>Thanks
>Max


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From JRuff at SolutionsIQ.com  Tue Oct  2 09:39:56 2007
From: JRuff at SolutionsIQ.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:39:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Determine if Object is a Table or View
Message-ID: <4870DBEB7940B041B2EFB8F70F26334D44BC70@blv2-exc-01.siq.solutionsiq.com>

I'm not sure if the original message got thru, so I'm posting it one
more time.

 

I'm using ADOX in an Access2003 mdb to iterate through the tables in
SQL Server 2000. I only need to gather data on the tables and not any
of the views. Here is the snippit of code I use to capture the table
object.

 

Dim cat As ADOX.Catalog

Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset

Dim tbl As ADOX.Table

    

Set cat = New Catalog

    

cat.ActiveConnection = "Provider=SQLNCLI.1;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=SOLIQ;Data
Source=congo"

Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

 

For Each tbl In cat.Tables

                ' I would like to determine if the object is a table
or a view here.

 

 

Question: How can I determine if the tbl is a table or view?

 

papparuff

 

John V. Ruff 

Applications Support Analyst

SolutionsIQ

www.SolutionsIQ.com <http://www.solutionsiq.com/> 

10785 Willows Road NE

Redmond, WA 98052

425.250.3484

 

 


From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Oct  2 10:20:15 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:20:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Determine if Object is a Table or View
In-Reply-To: <4870DBEB7940B041B2EFB8F70F26334D44BC70@blv2-exc-01.siq.solutionsiq.com>
Message-ID: <000701c80507$bbfa4470$2101a8c0@AB>

Try something like this:

If tbl.Type="Table" Then ...
If tbl.Type="View" Then ...

hth
Asger


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Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [AccessD] Determine if Object is a Table or View

I'm not sure if the original message got thru, so I'm posting it one
more time.

 

I'm using ADOX in an Access2003 mdb to iterate through the tables in
SQL Server 2000. I only need to gather data on the tables and not any
of the views. Here is the snippit of code I use to capture the table
object.

 

Dim cat As ADOX.Catalog

Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset

Dim tbl As ADOX.Table

    

Set cat = New Catalog

    

cat.ActiveConnection = "Provider=SQLNCLI.1;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=SOLIQ;Data
Source=congo"

Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

 

For Each tbl In cat.Tables

                ' I would like to determine if the object is a table
or a view here.

 

 

Question: How can I determine if the tbl is a table or view?

 

papparuff

 

John V. Ruff 

Applications Support Analyst

SolutionsIQ

www.SolutionsIQ.com <http://www.solutionsiq.com/> 

10785 Willows Road NE

Redmond, WA 98052

425.250.3484

 

 





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:38:16 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:38:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>

Given how knee-deep I am lately into Excel programming, this will doubtless
seem a stupid question, or evidence of a stupid inquirer, but anyway... I
have a workbook which contains two sheets. One prints with a grid (boxes
around each cell) and another prints with just white space and values. I
want the second to print the grid, same as the first. What do I adjust to
make this occur?

TIA,
Arthur


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct  2 10:35:38 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:35:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.7535.1190994530.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <010401c80509$e282b300$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Congratulations on the wedding! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart

Sorry that I did not get back to you quicker. I would out of touch with
email due to my wedding :0)




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:47:21 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:47:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710020847u3d49a684qa2239a86ed38452a@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/2/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Given how knee-deep I am lately into Excel programming, this will doubtless
> seem a stupid question, or evidence of a stupid inquirer, but anyway... I
> have a workbook which contains two sheets. One prints with a grid (boxes
> around each cell) and another prints with just white space and values. I
> want the second to print the grid, same as the first. What do I adjust to
> make this occur?

File | Page Setup | Sheet Tab

Check the Gridlines checkbox about 1/2 way down.

P.S. This would have been a better post on DBA-Tech.

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Tue Oct  2 10:55:09 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:55:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A106E55CB@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Arthur,

This ought to do it . . .

File|Page Setup
Sheet tab
Gridlines checkbox

You can also get there from the print preview screen.  Click the Setup button, etc . . . 

Don

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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question

Given how knee-deep I am lately into Excel programming, this will doubtless
seem a stupid question, or evidence of a stupid inquirer, but anyway... I
have a workbook which contains two sheets. One prints with a grid (boxes
around each cell) and another prints with just white space and values. I
want the second to print the grid, same as the first. What do I adjust to
make this occur?

TIA,
Arthur
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:56:56 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:56:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]  Bulk insert and table names
In-Reply-To: <015f01c804fc$ba890230$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107C792DF09@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<015f01c804fc$ba890230$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <b874372a0710020856g6c7d0ab8maeb773d1fbf347f0@mail.gmail.com>

The thing is that if you bracket your table names, you're allowed to use
them, prefixing your table names with something simple such as tblOR or
tblIN would have clearly avoided the problem you faced.  Similarly with
indexes, you've found a great way to keep them unique by including the
tablename in the index.

On 10/2/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> LOL.
>
> Thanks for that but I suppose my question was a jab at the concept that I
> would HAVE to make sure that my table / field names did not collide with
> some list of reserved words inside of SQL Server.  The SQL Server
> programming team should ensure that I can name my tables and fields
> whatever
> I want to, NOT look up my proposed table field names in THEIR (ever
> changing) list of keywords and change my choice if it collides with their
> reserved words.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:07 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Bulk insert and table names
>
> Hi John
>
> List of SQL 2000 Keywords
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa238507(SQL.80).aspx
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin Reid
> Telephone: 02890974465
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From jengross at gte.net  Tue Oct  2 11:03:46 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:03:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A106E55CB@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c8050d$d38176d0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Arthur,

The sheet that you want to turn Gridlines on for needs to be the active
sheet.  Page Setup only effects the current active worksheet.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray,
Don [IT]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel formatting question


Arthur,

This ought to do it . . .

File|Page Setup
Sheet tab
Gridlines checkbox

You can also get there from the print preview screen.  Click the Setup
button, etc . . . 

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question

Given how knee-deep I am lately into Excel programming, this will
doubtless seem a stupid question, or evidence of a stupid inquirer, but
anyway... I have a workbook which contains two sheets. One prints with a
grid (boxes around each cell) and another prints with just white space
and values. I want the second to print the grid, same as the first. What
do I adjust to make this occur?

TIA,
Arthur
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct  2 15:46:13 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:46:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] When Was a Module Last Modified?
Message-ID: <002601c80535$4603d140$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Is there a way to determine, using code, when a standard module was actually
last modified?


Thanks!
Dan Waters



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Oct  2 15:48:21 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:48:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037C4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E042@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037C4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E779@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I tried moving the error checking code from the OnExit event to the
AfterUpdate event but after the error check occurs the focus moves to
the next text box. With the OnExit event the focus goes back to the
textbox that has the bad value. Here is the error checking code.

If IsNull(Me!StartDate) Then
        MsgBox "You must enter a start date"
        Cancel = True
      ElseIf CVDate(Me!StartDate) > CVDate(EndDate) Then
        MsgBox "Invalid Date. Start date must be before end date"
        Cancel = True
      Else
        Me!EndDate.Enabled = True
        Me!EndDate.SetFocus
        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry All Manifolds Production for a Time
Interval"
        Forms![frm All Manifolds Chart 90 Days].chtAllManifolds1.Requery
        Me.Repaint
End If

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Another way might be use the AfterUpdate events instead to call a test
that looks at both controls.  I'm assuming you're cross checking the
dates to be sure start is before end, etc?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I was using OnExit events on a start date and end date text boxes on the
form to perform data validation. Maybe there is a better way to do this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

First examine why you have OnExit events there.  If this is in a header,
you can't have all that many controls in it.  Why not just use tab order
and skip the OnExit.  Setting a focus in OnExit can drive a user crazy.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Oct  1 06:29:25 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:29:25 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <s700d286.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004d01c8041e$62466650$6501a8c0@nant>

<<<
Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
>>>
Hi Gustav,

Yes, I'm aware of that.

<<<
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance
>>>
Yes, that's clear but:

1) this thread was originated with the request of JC to find the quickest
way to "jam"/CamelCase strings...

2) the original request was about RegEx and VB.NET/C#. The hypothesis was
that RegEx could deliver the quickest solution. This hypothesis isn't yet
proved in this thread...

3) saving even one CPU cycle while programming user input could result in a
lot of saved energy if we count how many computers are currently running all
around the world :) - a kind of kidding you know: of course spending hours
trying to save a second for an algorithm, which validates user input could
be even more waste of energy - but for JC's task saving a sec could result
in significant time gains because of specifics of the business processes of
his customer requesting to "crunch" zillion gigabytes of data...

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this
construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then
replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it
matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are
' not allowed by Windows as a file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
' 2002-05-22. Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the
right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your
code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate
not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav




From pcs at azizaz.com  Wed Oct  3 00:39:01 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Wed,  3 Oct 2007 15:39:01 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD]  Basic Scripting Question
Message-ID: <20071003153901.DEE29932@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Hi,
I am discovering the world of scripting / vbscript

Coding in VBA  (Access2003)

In the context for a code line like

    Set fs = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


how can I get intellisence into the created object?

So that if I code fs.    the various properties and methods 
will appear

What reference do I need to set? 

If I set a reference, is that what is called 'early binding'

For the code to work I understand I don't need to set a 
reference, right.
 
But what library is driving the created object, providing 
properties and methods?

borge


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  3 02:59:14 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:59:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] When Was a Module Last Modified?
Message-ID: <s703680f.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Here is one method:

datUpdated = CurrentDb.Containers!Modules("NameOfYourModule").LastUpdated

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 02-10-2007 22:46 >>>
Is there a way to determine, using code, when a standard module was actually
last modified?


Thanks!
Dan Waters




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct  3 06:43:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:43:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <004d01c8041e$62466650$6501a8c0@nant>
References: <s700d286.090@cactus.dk> <004d01c8041e$62466650$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <018d01c805b2$a5546bf0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Shamil,

And while I haven't spoken up yet (nor had time to try all this) I am
watching the thread closely.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

<<<
Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
>>>
Hi Gustav,

Yes, I'm aware of that.

<<<
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance
>>>
Yes, that's clear but:

1) this thread was originated with the request of JC to find the quickest
way to "jam"/CamelCase strings...

2) the original request was about RegEx and VB.NET/C#. The hypothesis was
that RegEx could deliver the quickest solution. This hypothesis isn't yet
proved in this thread...

3) saving even one CPU cycle while programming user input could result in a
lot of saved energy if we count how many computers are currently running all
around the world :) - a kind of kidding you know: of course spending hours
trying to save a second for an algorithm, which validates user input could
be even more waste of energy - but for JC's task saving a sec could result
in significant time gains because of specifics of the business processes of
his customer requesting to "crunch" zillion gigabytes of data...

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this
construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then
replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it
matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are ' not allowed by Windows as a
file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen ' 2002-05-22.
Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the
right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your
code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate
not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct  3 07:22:52 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:22:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] When Was a Module Last Modified?
In-Reply-To: <s703680f.038@cactus.dk>
References: <s703680f.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000c01c805b8$1fdeb6f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Thanks Gustav - I'll give this a try.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] When Was a Module Last Modified?

Hi Dan

Here is one method:

datUpdated = CurrentDb.Containers!Modules("NameOfYourModule").LastUpdated

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 02-10-2007 22:46 >>>
Is there a way to determine, using code, when a standard module was actually
last modified?


Thanks!
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct  3 07:32:12 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:32:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <20071003153901.DEE29932@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
References: <20071003153901.DEE29932@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001401c805b9$6c895f90$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Borge,

There used to be a help file available called vbscript56.chm which covered
filesystemobjects, but I can't find it now.

I did find this site which appears to be pretty helpful:

http://www.excelsig.org/VBA/FileSystemObject.htm

Best of Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pcs at azizaz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question

Hi,
I am discovering the world of scripting / vbscript

Coding in VBA  (Access2003)

In the context for a code line like

    Set fs = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


how can I get intellisence into the created object?

So that if I code fs.    the various properties and methods 
will appear

What reference do I need to set? 

If I set a reference, is that what is called 'early binding'

For the code to work I understand I don't need to set a 
reference, right.
 
But what library is driving the created object, providing 
properties and methods?

borge
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 10:20:01 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:20:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E779@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E042@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037C4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E779@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037E9@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

At least part of my confusion is in which control's events you're trying
to use.  If you want to keep the focus, use the beforeupdate event of
each control to call a validation routine.  Just remember that you have
to handle the situation where the other date hasn't yet been entered.

Charlotte Foust   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I tried moving the error checking code from the OnExit event to the
AfterUpdate event but after the error check occurs the focus moves to
the next text box. With the OnExit event the focus goes back to the
textbox that has the bad value. Here is the error checking code.

If IsNull(Me!StartDate) Then
        MsgBox "You must enter a start date"
        Cancel = True
      ElseIf CVDate(Me!StartDate) > CVDate(EndDate) Then
        MsgBox "Invalid Date. Start date must be before end date"
        Cancel = True
      Else
        Me!EndDate.Enabled = True
        Me!EndDate.SetFocus
        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry All Manifolds Production for a Time
Interval"
        Forms![frm All Manifolds Chart 90 Days].chtAllManifolds1.Requery
        Me.Repaint
End If

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Another way might be use the AfterUpdate events instead to call a test
that looks at both controls.  I'm assuming you're cross checking the
dates to be sure start is before end, etc?

Charlotte Foust 

-



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct  3 12:51:58 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:51:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
Message-ID: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
other things:

***************************
My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached for
your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are very
negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from the web
search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS especially if
it is linked to other software tools. 

It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is not
stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for portability across
Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible, 
***************************

So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
parochialism we have seen before?

TIA

Rocky


 	
	



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 12:59:15 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:59:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 13:05:13 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:05:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031105o4d541144x38ad5c5774591967@mail.gmail.com>

Martin said it best a long time ago -- most problems developers have with
Access are their own fault. The product is very stable if you use it the way
you're supposed to.

Susan H.


On 10/3/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
> other things:
>
> ***************************
> My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached
> for
> your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are very
> negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from the web
> search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS especially
> if
> it is linked to other software tools.
>
> It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is
> not
> stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for portability
> across
> Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible,
> ***************************
>
> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
> parochialism we have seen before?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 13:08:13 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:08:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031105o4d541144x38ad5c5774591967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<17c80a4d0710031105o4d541144x38ad5c5774591967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703802@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Besides, he isn't in the market for Access at all if he wants solutions
that port to other platforms. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution

Martin said it best a long time ago -- most problems developers have
with Access are their own fault. The product is very stable if you use
it the way you're supposed to.

Susan H.


On 10/3/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes 
> among other things:
>
> ***************************
> My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes 
> attached for your kind attention. They have bad experiences with 
> ACCESS, and are very negative about the use of ACCESS. The information

> available from the web search also indicates that there are known 
> problems of ACCESS especially if it is linked to other software tools.
>
> It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that 
> is not stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for 
> portability across Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible,
> ***************************
>
> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the 
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL 
> parochialism we have seen before?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Oct  3 13:12:51 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:12:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <023301c805e9$02e881d0$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Rocky:

LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP ... Basically it looks like they want an
"open source" web-based solution. 

I guess you can't write bad code in PHP? <G>

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution

My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
other things:

***************************
My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached for
your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are very
negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from the web
search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS especially if
it is linked to other software tools. 

It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is not
stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for portability across
Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible,
***************************

So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
parochialism we have seen before?

TIA

Rocky


 	
	

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From delam at zyterra.com  Wed Oct  3 13:25:00 2007
From: delam at zyterra.com (delam at zyterra.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:25:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <873813444-1191435688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-332021243-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

That is right along the lines of what I charge. Sound very appropriate to the market in Texas. 

Debbie

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:59:15 
To:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees


I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 13:25:05 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:25:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710031125t64ad35c0l54ccc423f915bfe1@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
> parochialism we have seen before?

LAMP = Linux / Apache / MySQL / PHP

Basically open source software/solutions.

Although...

Linux can be Linux/Window/ Mac Unix

MySQL can be MySQL/PostGres or any other open source DB

PHP can be PHP, Python, Perl, or even Ruby on Rails these days.

The Access comment is the same old same old issues IT has with Access
dbs. They are just toys and not for real development.

The LAMP solution wouldn't be bad if you wanted to open up your code
for all eyes to see, since these are all non-compiled languages, but
(and I hate to say it because it sounds so derogatory) scripting
languages.

Sure you can obfuscate the code, but with enough time and some
automated tools, can be deobfuscated (is that even a word?)

I'm working on a side LAMP project right now, so I'm knee deep into it.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 13:53:04 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:53:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <873813444-1191435688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-332021243-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<873813444-1191435688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-332021243-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031153q4d2c7cd1n603ef6b68755ea43@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Deb!

Susan H.

That is right along the lines of what I charge. Sound very appropriate to
the market in Texas.


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct  3 13:58:31 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:58:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c805ef$64a337c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Charlotte,

I charge slightly less in the Minneapolis area - no one has an issue with
this.  Customers only seem to have an issue with 'what is in the budget' or
with total cost.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct  3 13:58:55 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:58:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Susan, I'm in San Antonio and in my experience, your fees are appropriate.
In some cases, it might be a little low.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:13:02 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:13:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>

> Susan, I'm in San Antonio and in my experience, your fees are appropriate.
> In some cases, it might be a little low.
>
> ===========Can you define "some cases?"



Also, what do you guys charge for straight development -- do any of you have
a separate fee? I always did, but I don't offer development anymore and
haven't kept up. I thought it would be best to present a full schedule
rather than one simple fee, but I'm not sure it's necessary or that I will.

Susan H.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  3 14:16:19 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:16:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <ce9786ab62ec4.47038813@shaw.ca>

Hi Rocky:

L Linux - instead of Windows OS
A Apache - instaed of IIS
M MySQL - instead of MDB/MS SQL
P PHP - instead of VB/VBA/VB.Net or any other Windows language.

They are also suggesting a Browser/web-based solution. I wonder if they really know what they are asking for? We are talking a major major re-write...  Sounds like the old Access is light weight and unstable statement again.

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 10:52 am
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He 
> writes among
> other things:
> 
> ***************************
> My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes 
> attached for
> your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and 
> are very
> negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from 
> the web
> search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS 
> especially if
> it is linked to other software tools. 
> 
> It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution 
> that is not
> stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for 
> portability across
> Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible, 
> ***************************
> 
> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him 
> about the
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old 
> ORACLE/SQLparochialism we have seen before?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Oct  3 14:25:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:25:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct  3 14:36:24 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:36:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
	<17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F8@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Consulting fees are usually higher than development because of the expertise required.  We use consultants for short term projects or when we need a specific skill set for a brief period.  Depending on the contract, if a person is an employee we usually double their hourly "rate" and sometimes add "profit" to the number.  The rate is the annual salary divided by 2080 hours.  

We have used consultants with an hourly rate of $200 and more and felt we got a bargain!  Project Managers and QC and SMEs are usually paid more than the developer.

We charge between $65 and $125 per hour for technical/developers depending on the expertise of the person and the complexity of the contract.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

> Susan, I'm in San Antonio and in my experience, your fees are appropriate.
> In some cases, it might be a little low.
>
> ===========Can you define "some cases?"



Also, what do you guys charge for straight development -- do any of you have
a separate fee? I always did, but I don't offer development anymore and
haven't kept up. I thought it would be best to present a full schedule
rather than one simple fee, but I'm not sure it's necessary or that I will.

Susan H.
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From delam at zyterra.com  Wed Oct  3 14:41:09 2007
From: delam at zyterra.com (delam at zyterra.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:41:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com><17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <624598587-1191440257-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1418299948-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I think the hourly rate should be covering any professional services, so the issue of straight development is not an issue in my mind. 

Debbie

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:13:02 
To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


> Susan, I'm in San Antonio and in my experience, your fees are appropriate.
> In some cases, it might be a little low.
>
> ===========Can you define "some cases?"



Also, what do you guys charge for straight development -- do any of you have
a separate fee? I always did, but I don't offer development anymore and
haven't kept up. I thought it would be best to present a full schedule
rather than one simple fee, but I'm not sure it's necessary or that I will.

Susan H.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:39:19 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:39:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>

I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less than $50 an
hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead of the
greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. There's no
one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure cancer.

A.

On 10/3/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>   I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
> development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
>
>   I charge for my time and not the skill set.
>
> Jim.
>


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:47:50 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:47:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710031247w58d3d0d6hfbe40fe1eee4e4c@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less than $50 an
> hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead of the
> greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. There's no
> one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure cancer.

I dunno 'bout that Arthur.

Last gig I did was earlier this summer and I charged $95 and hour.
Mind you that wasn't development but Mail Admin crap not development.
He didn't like the price but paid it.

I even told him I normally charge in USD (which I do, since most of
the work I've done has been for folks in  US) but charged him CAD.
Although I got screwed recently with the high dollar. I lost $3 CAD by
taking USD for payment on a different gig.:(

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:54:48 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:54:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031254v35c1c05aw6c993bf4490f6290@mail.gmail.com>

Where are you? I think you definitely need to increase your rates with your
next client! ;)

Susan H.

I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

I charge for my time and not the skill set.


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct  3 15:27:09 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:27:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301c805fb$c675acb0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Arthur,

When I started in 2003, I also charged $50/hr.  Next year $75, and so on.  

At that time I was talking to people who would give me some of their time as
one-time 'mentors'.  Universally, they pinged on me about my low rates.  The
first person I talked with said I should charge $125/hr to start and move up
to $175/hr in a couple of years.  They were basing their statements on the
Business Process Management System I've developed, saying that this is a big
money maker for companies.   A few years later, I now know that they were
correct.

We all partly base our judgment of value on something's price.  Sometimes
there's simply no way to do otherwise (like with programmers).  So, if you
are the lowest rate, then customers may think of you as the lowest value or
quality.  Some business customers are proud of spending a lot of money -
they can then brag that it cost THIS MUCH - and their buddies wish they
could do the same.  Would you like a Cadillac?  Why?  Because everyone
around you thinks you can afford it!

Raise your rates until you get some pushback - then you know you're charging
about the right amount.

Here's to the new mansion you'll be buying in a few years!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less than $50 an
hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead of the
greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. There's no
one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure cancer.

A.

On 10/3/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>   I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
> development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
>
>   I charge for my time and not the skill set.
>
> Jim.
>
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From spike at tenbus.co.uk  Wed Oct  3 13:21:33 2007
From: spike at tenbus.co.uk (Webadmin - Tenbus)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:21:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4703DDAD.6040908@tenbus.co.uk>

LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP = free.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_(software_bundle)>


Regards
Chris Foote

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
> other things:
>
> ***************************
> My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached for
> your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are very
> negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from the web
> search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS especially if
> it is linked to other software tools. 
>
> It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is not
> stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for portability across
> Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible, 
> ***************************
>
> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
> parochialism we have seen before?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
>   




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 16:33:27 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:33:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <023301c805e9$02e881d0$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<023301c805e9$02e881d0$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

LOL Bad programmers can write bad code in ANY language.  How's that for
talent?? ;0>

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution

Hi Rocky:

LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP ... Basically it looks like they want
an "open source" web-based solution. 

I guess you can't write bad code in PHP? <G>

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution

My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
other things:

***************************
My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached
for your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are
very negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from
the web search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS
especially if it is linked to other software tools. 

It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is
not stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for
portability across Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible,
***************************

So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
parochialism we have seen before?

TIA

Rocky


 	
	

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Oct  3 16:37:15 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:37:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031254v35c1c05aw6c993bf4490f6290@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<17c80a4d0710031254v35c1c05aw6c993bf4490f6290@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401c80605$914e73a0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Susan,

<<Where are you? >>

  Sorry; Based in Syracuse NY, with clients across the country.

<<I think you definitely need to increase your rates with your
next client! ;)>>

  Probably.  I've had the same rate now for quite a few years.  And I'm
actually a bit cheaper then that as I offer the rate of $55/hr for extended
projects (anything more then a couple of weeks).

  Mind you though, I charge for *everything*.  If the owner wants to shoot
the breeze for 15 minutes, they get billed for it.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Where are you? I think you definitely need to increase your rates with your
next client! ;)

Susan H.

I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

I charge for my time and not the skill set.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 16:36:48 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:36:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 16:38:55 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:38:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Even when you're designing the whole system, figuring out the
requirements from all the dust they blow your way and then making it
work?  I thought our neighbors to the North were quality seekers.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less than $50 an
hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead of the
greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. There's
no one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure
cancer.

A.

On 10/3/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>   I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I 
> do; development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
>
>   I charge for my time and not the skill set.
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> Jim.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  3 17:35:19 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:35:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Arthur:
 
You can not charge more than $50.00 an hour unless you are a company... greater depth, more reliability and more certifications/degrees is the reason given. Want to become a company and then we can say we a nation wide?
 
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less 
> than $50 an
> hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead 
> of the
> greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. 
> There's no
> one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure cancer.
> 
> A.
> 
> On 10/3/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
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> >   I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging 
> $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
> > development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
> >
> >   I charge for my time and not the skill set.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 18:37:06 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:37:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca>
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> You can not charge more than $50.00 an hour unless you are a company...



=======Says who?

Susan H.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 18:51:23 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:51:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, I think this
is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.

Arthur

On 10/3/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 19:03:00 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:03:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/3/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, I think this
> is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.

If this is true then I'm breaking the law everytime I do work for
anyone. I don't think I've ever charged less than $50 per hour.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 19:04:28 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:04:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710031703y171b8d3do421c9281445b30dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com><d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca><17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com><29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
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Who says crime doesn't pay?? LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

On 10/3/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, I think 
> this is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.

If this is true then I'm breaking the law everytime I do work for
anyone. I don't think I've ever charged less than $50 per hour.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 20:21:58 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:21:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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You have fixed fees in Canada?

Susan H.
This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, I think this
is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 20:32:02 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:32:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70381F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/3/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Who says crime doesn't pay?? LOL

I just wish it was easier to find victims, er clients :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From pcs at azizaz.com  Wed Oct  3 20:49:00 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Thu,  4 Oct 2007 11:49:00 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
Message-ID: <20071004114900.DEI18710@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Hi Dan,
It appears that the vbscript56.chm has been scrapped by M$.

VBScript is now part of their .NET Framework...

I found this - may have your interest ...

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/t0aew7h6.aspx

Regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:32:12 -0500
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>  
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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>Hi Borge,
>
>There used to be a help file available called 
vbscript56.chm which covered
>filesystemobjects, but I can't find it now.
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>I did find this site which appears to be pretty helpful:
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>http://www.excelsig.org/VBA/FileSystemObject.htm
>
>Best of Luck!
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
pcs at azizaz.com
>Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:39 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
>
>Hi,
>I am discovering the world of scripting / vbscript
>
>Coding in VBA  (Access2003)
>
>In the context for a code line like
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>    Set fs = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
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>how can I get intellisence into the created object?
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>So that if I code fs.    the various properties and methods 
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>What reference do I need to set? 
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>If I set a reference, is that what is called 'early binding'
>
>For the code to work I understand I don't need to set a 
>reference, right.
> 
>But what library is driving the created object, providing 
>properties and methods?
>
>borge
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  3 21:08:32 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:08:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca>
	<17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d134c1986628b.4703e8b0@shaw.ca>

Hi Susan... It is no rule just observation working both as a company and as a private contractor... It is the expectations of local clients.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> >
> > You can not charge more than $50.00 an hour unless you are a 
> company...
> 
> 
> =======Says who?
> 
> Susan H.
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  3 21:27:05 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:27:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70381F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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Bryan; I thought you worked for the government... What department do you work for?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> Who says crime doesn't pay?? LOL
> 
> Charlotte Foust 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
> 
> On 10/3/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, 
> I think 
> > this is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.
> 
> If this is true then I'm breaking the law everytime I do work for
> anyone. I don't think I've ever charged less than $50 per hour.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well 
> preservedbody, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, 
> shouting "What a
> great ride!"
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 04:36:48 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 05:36:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <d0cccc246354d.4703ed09@shaw.ca>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/3/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Bryan; I thought you worked for the government... What department do you work for?

Yep. My day job is working for the CBC in the Training department of
the Toronto TV Production Centre.

All the fees I've charged have been for side gigs I do, trying to get
outta the CBC.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Oct  4 07:49:31 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:49:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Oct  4 09:01:20 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:01:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
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Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 09:12:06 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:12:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
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First, you have to define bug and an unspecified request for change.

A bug is something they asked for, but isn't working as they expected. If
you can determine that the problem is on their end -- they didn't supply the
right parameters, etc. -- you might try to charge for fixing that, but the
convincing might take more time than just fixing the dang thing.

If you made the mistake, you fix it for free.

Changing something they don't like is up in the air -- if it's a simple fix,
do it for the sake of good will. If it's going to take some time, send them
a quote.

Or, you could put them on a monthly service fee and do whatever they like as
they crop up. This seems to be a popular trend, but I can see the sell being
difficult for smaller applications.

Susan H.


On 10/4/07, Lawrence Mrazek <lmrazek at lcm-res.com> wrote:
>
> Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
> them or not?
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> Charlotte,
>
> <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>
>
> Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
> was now and it caused a multitude of problems.
>
> One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
> considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god
> forbid
> I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
> another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make
> mistakes"
> comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
> meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually
> slowed
> down the pace of many projects.
>
> There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
> of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
> those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
> make a living).
>
> So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
> years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
> year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
> full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
> easily.
>
> There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
> learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
> rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
> done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much
> they
> irritate me!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
>
> I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
> development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
>
> I charge for my time and not the skill set.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
> under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
> development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
> technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
> technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as
> a
> technical advisor/collaborator.
>
> My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
> even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
> anymore, period.
>
> I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
> Opinions? Insight?
>
> Susan H.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct  4 09:16:50 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:16:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I charge straight time - including bug fixes. 

With many clients I tell them that when I write a routine I make it work
with a straight path through the code.  I'm the alpha tester. But there are
many ways to run a form from the outside, many sequences of operation, and
there will be bugs. And operational awkwardness that they want polished. 

So I give them the option - I can send it to them for testing and fix the
bugs they find and change the procedures to suit them, or I can spend a lot
of time testing all the combinations.  I tell them, and I believe this, that
it's more economical for them to test it.  And more effective.  I KNOW the
right way to do everything because I wrote the form and the code.  Users do
the craziest things.  And the program has to account for that.

All my clients prefer to be the beta tester.  They also understand that
there will be bugs.  And I've never had anyone complain about the additional
cost it takes to make a program work perfectly.  Time, yes.  Cost, no.  But
I make it clear up front so there's no dispute later.

Rocky







 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 09:29:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:29:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS>
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Jim,

I have to say your reasoning works for me.  Add to that the fact that as
your gross income goes up, your net taxable goes up even faster and it ends
up that a horrific amount of the additional income goes to the government.
Most of your deductible business expenses are approximately fixed - mileage
traveled to see clients doesn't vary based on the rate you charge.
Computers purchased, IRA contributions, medical insurance, all that stuff is
not directly related to your rate.  Those expenses are a relatively stable
fixed amount so as your rate goes up your "tax deductible percentage" goes
down, and thus the taxable amount goes up and the tax rate then goes up.  We
work and work to make more money only to find the government taking a larger
and larger cut.  

But hey, the government's coffers fill up faster.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  4 09:41:30 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:41:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS>
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My 2 cents...

A bug is something that doesn't work as agreed upon when delivered or
something that was specifically spelled out in a contract beforehand and not
delivered with correct functionality.

A bug is not something that doesn't work according to what the client wants
after the client has approved the initial functionality (6 months or 3 years
later). It is also not something that stops working correctly due to an
Operating System change, additional software installations (including MS
updates) or an infrastructure change (such as networking issues). To be more
specific, if something worked correctly upon delivery and doesn't work
correctly in the future - it is not a bug. It is a failure of function due
to unforeseen changes in the application's environment.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Oct  4 10:00:32 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:00:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <011601c80694$a6c0f890$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A299D5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

If I find the source of a problem and go 'oops' or 'crap', then it's a
bug.  Otherwise, it's a design change.

;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

My 2 cents...

A bug is something that doesn't work as agreed upon when delivered or
something that was specifically spelled out in a contract beforehand and
not
delivered with correct functionality.

A bug is not something that doesn't work according to what the client
wants
after the client has approved the initial functionality (6 months or 3
years
later). It is also not something that stops working correctly due to an
Operating System change, additional software installations (including MS
updates) or an infrastructure change (such as networking issues). To be
more
specific, if something worked correctly upon delivery and doesn't work
correctly in the future - it is not a bug. It is a failure of function
due
to unforeseen changes in the application's environment.

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Mrazek

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge
for
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Oct  4 10:04:20 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:04:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
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As you know I'm in NY and we usually pay $125 per hour.  However, we
have a current contract with a consulting firm at a rate of $105 per
hour but you have to factor in that the contract is for 500K.  I think
your rate is fine.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Susan Harkins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
> 
> I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
> under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical 
> expertise -- not a
> development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
> technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much 
> more than a
> technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd 
> be acting as a
> technical advisor/collaborator.
> 
> My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and 
> no one ever
> even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do 
> development work
> anymore, period.
> 
> I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
> Opinions? Insight?
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  4 10:11:51 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:11:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS>
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I never charged for them if they were actually bugs and not just a
change in the way they WANTED it to work.  That's one reason my rate was
fairly high.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge
for them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what
it was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what
was considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god
forbid I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug
fixes was another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to
make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually
slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A
lot of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one
of those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy
trying to make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been
without full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can
deal with easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time
to learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 10:18:03 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:18:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <005501c80699$c269b690$657aa8c0@M90>

I do the same thing Rocky.  There are going to be bugs.  Part of the cost of
development is making the thing work such that all the remaining bugs (you
will NEVER find and fix every single bug) do not effect the operation of the
program.  I am writing the program for them and so they pay for ALL COSTS of
getting the program running.  Debugging is just a cost of doing business.
The fact that I do not find and fix every single bug before they get the
code is irrelevant to the fact that it has to be fixed and someone has to
pay for that.  

I NEVER implying that I write bug free code (except perhaps to you guys ;-),
and I make clear that debugging and fixing bugs is a normal part of
development that they pay for.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I charge straight time - including bug fixes. 

With many clients I tell them that when I write a routine I make it work
with a straight path through the code.  I'm the alpha tester. But there are
many ways to run a form from the outside, many sequences of operation, and
there will be bugs. And operational awkwardness that they want polished. 

So I give them the option - I can send it to them for testing and fix the
bugs they find and change the procedures to suit them, or I can spend a lot
of time testing all the combinations.  I tell them, and I believe this, that
it's more economical for them to test it.  And more effective.  I KNOW the
right way to do everything because I wrote the form and the code.  Users do
the craziest things.  And the program has to account for that.

All my clients prefer to be the beta tester.  They also understand that
there will be bugs.  And I've never had anyone complain about the additional
cost it takes to make a program work perfectly.  Time, yes.  Cost, no.  But
I make it clear up front so there's no dispute later.

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Oct  4 10:38:56 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:38:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <008c01c8069c$ae3ac0d0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Rocky,

  That's my take here; if they want it bug free, I'll test the heck out of
it, but they'll pay for all that testing.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I charge straight time - including bug fixes. 

With many clients I tell them that when I write a routine I make it work
with a straight path through the code.  I'm the alpha tester. But there are
many ways to run a form from the outside, many sequences of operation, and
there will be bugs. And operational awkwardness that they want polished. 

So I give them the option - I can send it to them for testing and fix the
bugs they find and change the procedures to suit them, or I can spend a lot
of time testing all the combinations.  I tell them, and I believe this, that
it's more economical for them to test it.  And more effective.  I KNOW the
right way to do everything because I wrote the form and the code.  Users do
the craziest things.  And the program has to account for that.

All my clients prefer to be the beta tester.  They also understand that
there will be bugs.  And I've never had anyone complain about the additional
cost it takes to make a program work perfectly.  Time, yes.  Cost, no.  But
I make it clear up front so there's no dispute later.

Rocky







 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Oct  4 10:42:55 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:42:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim,

I have to say your reasoning works for me.  Add to that the fact that as
your gross income goes up, your net taxable goes up even faster and it ends
up that a horrific amount of the additional income goes to the government.
Most of your deductible business expenses are approximately fixed - mileage
traveled to see clients doesn't vary based on the rate you charge.
Computers purchased, IRA contributions, medical insurance, all that stuff is
not directly related to your rate.  Those expenses are a relatively stable
fixed amount so as your rate goes up your "tax deductible percentage" goes
down, and thus the taxable amount goes up and the tax rate then goes up.  We
work and work to make more money only to find the government taking a larger
and larger cut.  

But hey, the government's coffers fill up faster.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Oct  4 10:56:18 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:56:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <20071004114900.DEI18710@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <002301c8069f$19ee6640$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Take a look at http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms950396.aspx.
Scripting is live and well. I use hta and script files for lots of little
maintenance items.

Doug 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pcs at azizaz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question

Hi Dan,
It appears that the vbscript56.chm has been scrapped by M$.

VBScript is now part of their .NET Framework...

I found this - may have your interest ...

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/t0aew7h6.aspx

Regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:32:12 -0500
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi Borge,
>
>There used to be a help file available called
vbscript56.chm which covered
>filesystemobjects, but I can't find it now.
>
>I did find this site which appears to be pretty helpful:
>
>http://www.excelsig.org/VBA/FileSystemObject.htm
>
>Best of Luck!
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
pcs at azizaz.com
>Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:39 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
>
>Hi,
>I am discovering the world of scripting / vbscript
>
>Coding in VBA  (Access2003)
>
>In the context for a code line like
>
>    Set fs = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>
>how can I get intellisence into the created object?
>
>So that if I code fs.    the various properties and methods 
>will appear
>
>What reference do I need to set? 
>
>If I set a reference, is that what is called 'early binding'
>
>For the code to work I understand I don't need to set a reference, 
>right.
> 
>But what library is driving the created object, providing properties 
>and methods?
>
>borge
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 11:21:26 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:21:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710040921i3ce3a26dl5daa7081564791dc@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky, I have done that too and found it a positive experience for both
sides.

Susan H.



>
> So I give them the option - I can send it to them for testing and fix the
> bugs they find and change the procedures to suit them, or I can spend a
> lot
> of time testing all the combinations.  I tell them, and I believe this,
> that
> it's more economical for them to test it.  And more effective.  I KNOW the
> right way to do everything because I wrote the form and the code.  Users
> do
> the craziest things.  And the program has to account for that.
>
> All my clients prefer to be the beta tester.  They also understand that
> there will be bugs.  And I've never had anyone complain about the
> additional
> cost it takes to make a program work perfectly.  Time, yes.  Cost,
> no.  But
> I make it clear up front so there's no dispute later.
>
>


From robert at webedb.com  Thu Oct  4 12:53:05 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:53:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9300.1191513387.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.9300.1191513387.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710041755.l94HtPE6006500@databaseadvisors.com>

Define "bug."

If is does not work, I fix it free. If it works the way
they wanted and they changed their mind and called it a
bug, it is most assuredly billable. If it works and I
change it, it is billable.

Robert

At 10:56 AM 10/4/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:01:20 -0500
>From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0 at lcmdv8000>
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>Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
>them or not?
>
>Larry Mrazek
>LCM Research, Inc.
>www.lcm-res.com
>lmrazek at lcm-res.com
>ph. 314-432-5886
>mobile: 314-496-1645




From jengross at gte.net  Thu Oct  4 13:10:15 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:10:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <00dd01c806b1$d562d020$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Larry,

My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent
company to run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.
Otherwise, all bug fixes are on them.  Most clients want it done
yesterday so they are willing to do their own beta testing and pay me to
fix "bugs".

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge
for them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what
it was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what
was considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god
forbid I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug
fixes was another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to
make mistakes" comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.
Of course that meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt,
which actually slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A
lot of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one
of those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy
trying to make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been
without full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can
deal with easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time
to learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 13:43:05 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:43:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c806b1$d562d020$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<00dd01c806b1$d562d020$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>

>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Hi Larry,

My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.
Otherwise, all bug fixes are on them.  Most clients want it done yesterday
so they are willing to do their own beta testing and pay me to fix "bugs".

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.
Of course that meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which
actually slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
--
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 13:55:53 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:55:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003801c806b8$311618e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

And I bet you call him "Tiny Tim"

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Hi Larry,

My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.
Otherwise, all bug fixes are on them.  Most clients want it done yesterday
so they are willing to do their own beta testing and pay me to fix "bugs".

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.
Of course that meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which
actually slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  4 14:15:49 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:15:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710040236p6c471e52k15ef1f5eca9318af@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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Ahh... I see Bryan. Just thought you were working in some well heeled department I had never heard about. The whole trick is to get some steady high paying gig. These one offs are great but after a week or so the client wants to see your tail-end.

A steady medium priced gig and a few monthly support fee is what I have been living on.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2007 2:38 am
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> On 10/3/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Bryan; I thought you worked for the government... What 
> department do you work for?
> 
> Yep. My day job is working for the CBC in the Training 
> department of
> the Toronto TV Production Centre.
> 
> All the fees I've charged have been for side gigs I do, trying 
> to get
> outta the CBC.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From jengross at gte.net  Thu Oct  4 18:18:47 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:18:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005201c806dc$f09dbbe0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Is he single?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent
company to run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that
one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Hi Larry,

My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent
company to run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.
Otherwise, all bug fixes are on them.  Most clients want it done
yesterday so they are willing to do their own beta testing and pay me to
fix "bugs".

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge
for them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what
it was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what
was considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god
forbid I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug
fixes was another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to
make mistakes" comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.
Of course that meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt,
which actually slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A
lot of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one
of those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy
trying to make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been
without full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can
deal with easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time
to learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Oct  4 18:43:30 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:43:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29AC4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I'm 6'2", 4 tattoos (none of them say Mom though...) ;).

Had to post though, it's almost Friday, gotta tell ya'll an odd story
from Monday.  My little girl is a bit behind the curve on riding a bike,
so I've been going up to see her a lot to help her learn.  On Monday,
after work, I swung home, took a shower, and put on shorts and a tank
top (because when I go up in jeans and a 'work shirt'
(collared/buttoned), I end up sweating to death, from running behind
her).

I'm driving up 75, and I'm about 5 minutes away from my exit, when this
car pulls along and starts honking.  He rolls down his window and starts
pointing down.  Well, last weekend I had a nail in my tire, and had a
shop next door fix it. (they just pulled the nail and put in a plug) So
my immediate thought was that the plug didn't work, and my tires going
flat again, so I pull of the highway.  The whole way I'm praying that
I'm not destroying the tire.  Get to a place to pull off the service
road, and get out to look at the tire....

It's fine.  So now I'm looking under the car, seeing if I'm dragging
something... suddenly the guy who honked at me pulls up.  'I was just
saying you had a cool tattoo!'.  I have a panther tat on my right upper
arm, and he was trying to point to his arm, to say he liked my tat....

Ummmm.... I said thanks, hopped in the car and had NO idea why they give
some people driver's licenses.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent
company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that
one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 20:33:23 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:33:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29AC4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>
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Message-ID: <007201c806ef$b8d6e2a0$657aa8c0@M90>

I think Jennifer might want to talk to you.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I'm 6'2", 4 tattoos (none of them say Mom though...) ;).

Had to post though, it's almost Friday, gotta tell ya'll an odd story from
Monday.  My little girl is a bit behind the curve on riding a bike, so I've
been going up to see her a lot to help her learn.  On Monday, after work, I
swung home, took a shower, and put on shorts and a tank top (because when I
go up in jeans and a 'work shirt'
(collared/buttoned), I end up sweating to death, from running behind her).

I'm driving up 75, and I'm about 5 minutes away from my exit, when this car
pulls along and starts honking.  He rolls down his window and starts
pointing down.  Well, last weekend I had a nail in my tire, and had a shop
next door fix it. (they just pulled the nail and put in a plug) So my
immediate thought was that the plug didn't work, and my tires going flat
again, so I pull of the highway.  The whole way I'm praying that I'm not
destroying the tire.  Get to a place to pull off the service road, and get
out to look at the tire....

It's fine.  So now I'm looking under the car, seeing if I'm dragging
something... suddenly the guy who honked at me pulls up.  'I was just saying
you had a cool tattoo!'.  I have a panther tat on my right upper arm, and he
was trying to point to his arm, to say he liked my tat....

Ummmm.... I said thanks, hopped in the car and had NO idea why they give
some people driver's licenses.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 21:50:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:50:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
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Message-ID: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.



From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 23:50:04 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:50:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
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John,
We at DDI Solultions use our own custom made database.

It does everything that your spreadsheet does and also keeps track of who
billed what and who incurred the expense as we are 4 partners.

We can click a button to produce the tax figures for our accountant and we
have an executive summary screen where we can see where we are at regarding
invoicing, expected payments, tax saved up etc etc.

We each do our own billing and enter our own expenses in the database.

We don't spend much time on administration at all. Probably less than 1 hour
each per month.

Anita


1. How much money we each have
2. How much tax we have each saved up
3. The total $ eachHow much we have under process  how much tax we owe


On 10/5/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
> my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
> progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
> for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows
> me
> to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
> which will be the "income".
>
> I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
> paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).
>
> Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid
> but
> not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed
> Not
> Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these
> three
> columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
> money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
> from my account.
>
> I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance
> at
> any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update
> the
> Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.
>
> Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
> Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.
>
> Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
> medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
> actually) etc.
>
> Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
> for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
> actual (annualized) taxable amount.
>
> And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back
> in
> to the expense column.
>
> Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill
> over
> in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
> updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
> expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).
>
> But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
> state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what
> my
> FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
> taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
> account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
> (I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such
> as
> medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
> has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions
> change.  Or
> how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars
> left
> over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
> could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.
>
> Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
> position.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> John,
>
> You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
> a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
> are minor when compared to the government's take<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct  5 00:40:55 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:40:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000e01c80712$4d03ce80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Embarrassing to admit but I still keep the corporate books on a thirteen
column green pad.  In pencil.  Been working effectively like that since
1980.   Think of it as the original spreadsheet.  

I use the cigar box method of accounting.  Put all the money in the box as
it comes in.  Take money out to pay the business expenses as they come in.
Whatever's left in the box at the end of the year is mine.  One paycheck in
December - the accountant calculates all the state and federal skim. Keeps
things simple.

BTW, I take the minimum paycheck I can get away with.  The balance, God
willing there is some, goes directly onto my personal return anyway since
it's a sub-S corp.  But it saves quite a bit on the SS - both mine and the
corp's - and Medicare taxes and some state taxes.

Rocky



 	
	

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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 04:32:16 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:32:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <cf569aad67a0b.4704d975@shaw.ca>
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On 10/4/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Ahh... I see Bryan. Just thought you were working in some well heeled department I had never heard about.

No, Just a super secret agency, that's why I said I work for the Mother Corp :)

> The whole trick is to get some steady high paying gig. These one offs
are great but after a week or so the client wants to see your tail-end.

Naw, the whole trick is getting one well paying gig that will let you retire :)

> A steady medium priced gig and a few monthly support fee is what I have been living on.

I just started living on my base salary again, not the management
upgrade I've been in for the last 6 years :(

Nothing like a 25% pay cut!!

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 07:20:38 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:20:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000e01c80712$4d03ce80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000e01c80712$4d03ce80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000201c8074a$2433ad80$657aa8c0@M90>

LOL, OK.  I am sure that the rest of us wish we could be paid once per year.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

Embarrassing to admit but I still keep the corporate books on a thirteen
column green pad.  In pencil.  Been working effectively like that since
1980.   Think of it as the original spreadsheet.  

I use the cigar box method of accounting.  Put all the money in the box as
it comes in.  Take money out to pay the business expenses as they come in.
Whatever's left in the box at the end of the year is mine.  One paycheck in
December - the accountant calculates all the state and federal skim. Keeps
things simple.

BTW, I take the minimum paycheck I can get away with.  The balance, God
willing there is some, goes directly onto my personal return anyway since
it's a sub-S corp.  But it saves quite a bit on the SS - both mine and the
corp's - and Medicare taxes and some state taxes.

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct  5 08:20:25 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:20:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007201c806ef$b8d6e2a0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29B20@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

LOL, not single. ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I think Jennifer might want to talk to you.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I'm 6'2", 4 tattoos (none of them say Mom though...) ;).

Had to post though, it's almost Friday, gotta tell ya'll an odd story
from
Monday.  My little girl is a bit behind the curve on riding a bike, so
I've
been going up to see her a lot to help her learn.  On Monday, after
work, I
swung home, took a shower, and put on shorts and a tank top (because
when I
go up in jeans and a 'work shirt'
(collared/buttoned), I end up sweating to death, from running behind
her).

I'm driving up 75, and I'm about 5 minutes away from my exit, when this
car
pulls along and starts honking.  He rolls down his window and starts
pointing down.  Well, last weekend I had a nail in my tire, and had a
shop
next door fix it. (they just pulled the nail and put in a plug) So my
immediate thought was that the plug didn't work, and my tires going flat
again, so I pull of the highway.  The whole way I'm praying that I'm not
destroying the tire.  Get to a place to pull off the service road, and
get
out to look at the tire....

It's fine.  So now I'm looking under the car, seeing if I'm dragging
something... suddenly the guy who honked at me pulls up.  'I was just
saying
you had a cool tattoo!'.  I have a panther tat on my right upper arm,
and he
was trying to point to his arm, to say he liked my tat....

Ummmm.... I said thanks, hopped in the car and had NO idea why they give
some people driver's licenses.

Drew


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct  5 08:26:17 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:26:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
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	<007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <024d01c80753$5efdf200$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct  5 08:31:19 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:31:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
	<009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <024e01c80754$1f1d4b80$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 08:46:30 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:46:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90><009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS><007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<024d01c80753$5efdf200$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <003a01c80756$256f9270$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I use Access to track as well. I have a report that I work from for 
scheduling. In Excel I use a nifty expression that tracks my accounts 
receivable by the month -- I have to generate a specific amount of work each 
month to make ends meet and that helps me keep up with that.

Excel keeps up with payments and estimated taxes.

Susan H.



> John,
>
> <<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
> position.>>
>
>  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
> Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
> bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work 
> stops
> until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
> the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
> also keeps up a nice cash flow.
>
>  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do 
> them
> by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA 
> and
> record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both 
> it's
> easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
> reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end.
>
>  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
> at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements 
> to
> pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
> send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
> Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
> something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I 
> just
> never seem to get around to.
>
>  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
> avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is 
> make
> recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
> order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
> Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
> spreadsheet and remit quarterly.
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees
>
> I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
> my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
> progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
> for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows 
> me
> to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
> which will be the "income".
>
> I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
> paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).
>
> Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid 
> but
> not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed 
> Not
> Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these 
> three
> columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
> money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
> from my account.
>
> I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance 
> at
> any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update 
> the
> Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.
>
> Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
> Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.
>
> Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
> medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
> actually) etc.
>
> Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
> for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
> actual (annualized) taxable amount.
>
> And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back 
> in
> to the expense column.
>
> Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill 
> over
> in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
> updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
> expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).
>
> But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
> state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what 
> my
> FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
> taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
> account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
> (I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such 
> as
> medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
> has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change. 
> Or
> how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars 
> left
> over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
> could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.
>
> Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
> position.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> John,
>
>  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up 
> as
> a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
> are minor when compared to the government's take<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
> -- 
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>
> -- 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct  5 09:07:36 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:07:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
	<009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <026d01c80759$1acd8720$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct  5 09:43:26 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:43:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <003a01c80756$256f9270$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><00
	3301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@IN
	FOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693
	$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90><009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS><007401c806fa$8a
	c9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90><024d01c80753$5efdf200$8abea8c0@XPS> 
	<003a01c80756$256f9270$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF0D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


Ya'll should take a look at the neat receipts scanner. It is a very nice
scanner designed specifically to scan and keep track of receipts in a
database. It could serve as a great enhancement to the spreadsheets you
have all described.
 http://www.neatreceipts.com/

Personally I use this and quicken home/business. I've boiled everything
down to where it is almost all electronic. I seldom write checks
anymore. All paychecks, bank statements , investment accounts, 401k,
credit card accounts, etc. transactions I download directly into
quicken. I download almost all the statements in pdf form to store. Tax
info loads directly from quicken into turbotax.

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I use Access to track as well. I have a report that I work from for 
scheduling. In Excel I use a nifty expression that tracks my accounts 
receivable by the month -- I have to generate a specific amount of work
each 
month to make ends meet and that helps me keep up with that.

Excel keeps up with payments and estimated taxes.

Susan H.




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 09:48:46 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:48:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <026d01c80759$1acd8720$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90><009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS><007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
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Message-ID: <000801c8075e$d5c77cc0$657aa8c0@M90>

I'm not sure where the problem lies but I have received three copies of this
email.  Only one from everyone else so it appears that it is probably
somewhere in your vicinity. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Oct  5 09:51:01 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:51:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD82@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
A colleague has a table with a field 'matscode'.  It appears in the
table in design mode.  In datasheet mode it is missing.  If you use the
table to create a form, query or report the field is where it should be,
it's the third field in the table.  It's just not visible in datasheet
view, any clue as to why?
MTIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  5 09:53:03 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:53:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Has Data in .Net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703850@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Here's a routine I came up with to quickly answer the question of
whether any data exists in a record, outside of the key fields.  We
populate a field with a new record if there are none, but we want to
throw it away if they don't enter any data.  CurrentRow is a function
that returns a datarowview of the current record in a single record form
using the binding context.

    Private Function HasData() As Boolean
        ' Charlotte Foust 03-Oct-07
        Dim blnData As Boolean = False
        Dim intKeys As Integer = 2
        Try
            Dim flds() As Object = Me.CurrentRow.ItemArray
            ' skip the PK columns, which are filled by default
            For i As Integer = intKeys To flds.GetLength(0) - 1
                If Not IsDBNull(flds(i)) Then
                    blnData = True
                    Exit For
                End If
            Next

        Catch ex As Exception
            UIExceptionHandler.ProcessException(ex)
        End Try
        Return blnData
    End Function

This is in a subform module, but it could pretty easily be converted to
a public function in a shared class.

Charlotte Foust


From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Oct  5 10:11:19 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:11:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD82@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD82@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD83@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Never mind, deleted the field and re-entered it and it appears in
datasheet view.  Guess there was a hiccup in the system.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
> 
> Hi All,
> A colleague has a table with a field 'matscode'.  It appears in the
> table in design mode.  In datasheet mode it is missing.  If 
> you use the
> table to create a form, query or report the field is where it 
> should be,
> it's the third field in the table.  It's just not visible in datasheet
> view, any clue as to why?
> MTIA
> Ed
>  
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>  
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct  5 10:22:18 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:22:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000801c8075e$d5c77cc0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90><009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS><007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<026d01c80759$1acd8720$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000801c8075e$d5c77cc0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000901c80763$8872c9c0$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  My Outlook has timed out in the middle of sending 3 times this morning as
my ISP is having problems.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I'm not sure where the problem lies but I have received three copies of this
email.  Only one from everyone else so it appears that it is probably
somewhere in your vicinity. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 09:52:26 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:52:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF0D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <00e801c8075f$59b104c0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hello All,
I don't have the problems you lot seem to be having, but I thought you might
like to know about some nice software which I use for my own accounts for
the last few years.  No frills, but very good.  AceMoney.
http://www.mechcad.net/products/acemoney/
The lite version (only one account) is totally free.  The other is very
cheap.

Regards
Max
P.s It also handles investments, tracking etc for you very rich people.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees


Ya'll should take a look at the neat receipts scanner. It is a very nice
scanner designed specifically to scan and keep track of receipts in a
database. It could serve as a great enhancement to the spreadsheets you have
all described.
 http://www.neatreceipts.com/

Personally I use this and quicken home/business. I've boiled everything down
to where it is almost all electronic. I seldom write checks anymore. All
paychecks, bank statements , investment accounts, 401k, credit card
accounts, etc. transactions I download directly into quicken. I download
almost all the statements in pdf form to store. Tax info loads directly from
quicken into turbotax.

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I use Access to track as well. I have a report that I work from for
scheduling. In Excel I use a nifty expression that tracks my accounts
receivable by the month -- I have to generate a specific amount of work each
month to make ends meet and that helps me keep up with that.

Excel keeps up with payments and estimated taxes.

Susan H.




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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Oct  5 11:00:20 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:00:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD83@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD82@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD83@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <002a01c80768$d4fb2080$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Ed,

The table column may have been hidden in datasheet view.  This is just
formatting.

Right-click on a column and you can see a selection for Hide Columns.

Pick the Format menu and you can see a selection to Unhide Columns.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View

Never mind, deleted the field and re-entered it and it appears in
datasheet view.  Guess there was a hiccup in the system.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
> 
> Hi All,
> A colleague has a table with a field 'matscode'.  It appears in the
> table in design mode.  In datasheet mode it is missing.  If 
> you use the
> table to create a form, query or report the field is where it 
> should be,
> it's the third field in the table.  It's just not visible in datasheet
> view, any clue as to why?
> MTIA
> Ed
>  
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>  
> -- 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  5 11:00:33 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:00:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710050232k512c780mb44eca229dd38ff7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca>
	<17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<e04a6c920710031703y171b8d3do421c9281445b30dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70381F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<d0cccc246354d.4703ed09@shaw.ca>
	<e04a6c920710040236p6c471e52k15ef1f5eca9318af@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf569aad67a0b.4704d975@shaw.ca>
	<e04a6c920710050232k512c780mb44eca229dd38ff7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d114afe063d23.4705fd31@shaw.ca>

Bryan; Belts will be a little tighter this winter?...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, October 5, 2007 2:33 am
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> On 10/4/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Ahh... I see Bryan. Just thought you were working in some well 
> heeled department I had never heard about.
> 
> No, Just a super secret agency, that's why I said I work for the 
> Mother Corp :)
> 
> > The whole trick is to get some steady high paying gig. These 
> one offs
> are great but after a week or so the client wants to see your 
> tail-end.
> 
> Naw, the whole trick is getting one well paying gig that will 
> let you retire :)
> 
> > A steady medium priced gig and a few monthly support fee is 
> what I have been living on.
> 
> I just started living on my base salary again, not the management
> upgrade I've been in for the last 6 years :(
> 
> Nothing like a 25% pay cut!!
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 11:52:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:52:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
Message-ID: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls
90116640 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 11:58:25 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:58:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <d114afe063d23.4705fd31@shaw.ca>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<e04a6c920710031703y171b8d3do421c9281445b30dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70381F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<d0cccc246354d.4703ed09@shaw.ca>
	<e04a6c920710040236p6c471e52k15ef1f5eca9318af@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf569aad67a0b.4704d975@shaw.ca>
	<e04a6c920710050232k512c780mb44eca229dd38ff7@mail.gmail.com>
	<d114afe063d23.4705fd31@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710050958o32ebb771oc3034e9e434be449@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/5/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Bryan; Belts will be a little tighter this winter?...

Yea. :(

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  5 12:06:55 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:06:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

John,

I don't have any code handy but you want to use the ReadXML method to
read the contents into a table.  You can simply pass ReadXML a filename
in one of its overloads.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and
read) it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my
import process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I
will eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for
now I need to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The
XML produced by the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
 
<pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpe
c>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49
PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code
to read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 12:14:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:14:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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What is it a method of? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

John,

I don't have any code handy but you want to use the ReadXML method to read
the contents into a table.  You can simply pass ReadXML a filename in one of
its overloads.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and
read) it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
 
<pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpe
c>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  5 12:47:45 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:47:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000a01c80773$37881dc0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<000a01c80773$37881dc0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

DataSet.  There are about 8 overloads, but here's an example of how we
use it to read in our settings file:

Dim ds As DataSet
ds.ReadXml(_xmlPath) 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

What is it a method of? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

John,

I don't have any code handy but you want to use the ReadXML method to
read the contents into a table.  You can simply pass ReadXML a filename
in one of its overloads.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and
read) it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my
import process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I
will eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for
now I need to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The
XML produced by the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
 
<pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpe
c>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49
PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code
to read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 12:57:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:57:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000e01c80779$27296280$657aa8c0@M90>

Thanks. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

DataSet.  There are about 8 overloads, but here's an example of how we use
it to read in our settings file:

Dim ds As DataSet
ds.ReadXml(_xmlPath) 


Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

What is it a method of? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

John,

I don't have any code handy but you want to use the ReadXML method to read
the contents into a table.  You can simply pass ReadXML a filename in one of
its overloads.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and
read) it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
 
<pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpe
c>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 13:41:29 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:41:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday
Message-ID: <001901c8077f$59f0bf50$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

http://www.randomjoke.com/funny/micropsychic.php

Well, I appreciated it. :) Rare that I read an entire article. 

Susan H. 

From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Oct  5 14:01:02 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:01:02 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000f01c80782$135a0a30$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello John,

Here is the code to store your XML file (let's call it clsLogData.xml) into
MS Access database "testXML.mdb" in table named [clsLogData] with field
names equal to XML file elements' names:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb

Module TestImportXmlFile
    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"
            ds.ReadXml(xmlFileFullPath)
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

End Module


Of course XML file has to have a root element if you wanted to import
several records....

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls
90116640 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 14:31:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:31:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000f01c80782$135a0a30$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000f01c80782$135a0a30$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <000101c80786$61b62c00$657aa8c0@M90>

Holy smoke batman!  Will this do the same to SQL Server if I change the
connection? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Here is the code to store your XML file (let's call it clsLogData.xml) into
MS Access database "testXML.mdb" in table named [clsLogData] with field
names equal to XML file elements' names:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb

Module TestImportXmlFile
    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"
            ds.ReadXml(xmlFileFullPath)
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

End Module


Of course XML file has to have a root element if you wanted to import
several records....

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 14:54:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:54:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000f01c80782$135a0a30$6401a8c0@nant>
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Shamil,

I generate the XML file using the serialization code provided by .Net.  

Imports System.IO
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Public Class clsSerializableData
    ''' <summary>
    ''' Serializes the object to disk
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <param name="strFileName"></param>
    ''' <returns></returns>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Function mSave(ByVal strFileName As String) As Int16
        '
        'Make a temp filename
        Dim strTmpFileName As String
        strTmpFileName = strFileName & ".tmp"
        Dim TmpFileInfo As New FileInfo(strTmpFileName)

        'check if it exists
        If TmpFileInfo.Exists Then
            Try
                TmpFileInfo.Delete()
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return -1
            End Try
        End If

        '
        'Open the file
        Dim stream As New FileStream(strTmpFileName, FileMode.Create)

        '
        'Save the object
        mSave(stream)

        '
        'Close the object
        stream.Close()

        'Remove the existing file
        Try
            TmpFileInfo.CopyTo(strFileName, True)
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return -2
        End Try
        '
        'Rename the temp file
        Try
            TmpFileInfo.Delete()
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return -3
        End Try
    End Function
    ''' <summary>
    ''' Performs the serialization
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <param name="stream"></param>
    ''' <returns></returns>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function 

What I really want to do is to add code to this class to allow it to
serialize itself to a table.  Your code is tantalizing because it takes the
end result of my serialization (the xml file) and loads it back in to a
table which it then saves back to a data store.  Can that code be adapted to
short cut the actual storage of the data out to a file?  I.e. open a stream
that that the object can serialize itself to, but then hand that stream off
to be immediately read back and stored in a data set?  

.Net has provided a very nice facility for serializing a class, but (AFAIK)
it can only serialize itself to an XML file.  It does so however by
serializing itself onto a stream.  If that stream can be simly held and not
written to file, and then that stream handed back to a dataset to process
into a table I would have the holy grail of serialization to a table.  Any
class could then serialize itself directly into a database table. 

Of course I am completely incapable of actually coding such a solution if it
can even be done.  Or perhaps this is doable directly and I am so ignorant
that I do not even know it?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Here is the code to store your XML file (let's call it clsLogData.xml) into
MS Access database "testXML.mdb" in table named [clsLogData] with field
names equal to XML file elements' names:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb

Module TestImportXmlFile
    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"
            ds.ReadXml(xmlFileFullPath)
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

End Module


Of course XML file has to have a root element if you wanted to import
several records....

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Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Oct  5 14:58:04 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:58:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
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Message-ID: <000301c8078a$0aedff70$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello John,

Yes, it will work for MS SQL similar way.

And you can also change this code line:

Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")

If your target table name is different from [clsLogData]. E.g. if it's just
[LogData] then you can write:

Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Holy smoke batman!  Will this do the same to SQL Server if I change the
connection? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Here is the code to store your XML file (let's call it clsLogData.xml) into
MS Access database "testXML.mdb" in table named [clsLogData] with field
names equal to XML file elements' names:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb

Module TestImportXmlFile
    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"
            ds.ReadXml(xmlFileFullPath)
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

End Module


Of course XML file has to have a root element if you wanted to import
several records....

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Oct  5 17:41:16 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 02:41:16 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000201c80789$8a873590$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000401c807a0$d765e480$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

I generate the XML file using the serialization code provided by .Net.  

Imports System.IO
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Public Class clsSerializableData
    ''' <summary>
    ''' Serializes the object to disk
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <param name="strFileName"></param>
    ''' <returns></returns>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Function mSave(ByVal strFileName As String) As Int16
        '
        'Make a temp filename
        Dim strTmpFileName As String
        strTmpFileName = strFileName & ".tmp"
        Dim TmpFileInfo As New FileInfo(strTmpFileName)

        'check if it exists
        If TmpFileInfo.Exists Then
            Try
                TmpFileInfo.Delete()
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return -1
            End Try
        End If

        '
        'Open the file
        Dim stream As New FileStream(strTmpFileName, FileMode.Create)

        '
        'Save the object
        mSave(stream)

        '
        'Close the object
        stream.Close()

        'Remove the existing file
        Try
            TmpFileInfo.CopyTo(strFileName, True)
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return -2
        End Try
        '
        'Rename the temp file
        Try
            TmpFileInfo.Delete()
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return -3
        End Try
    End Function
    ''' <summary>
    ''' Performs the serialization
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <param name="stream"></param>
    ''' <returns></returns>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function 

What I really want to do is to add code to this class to allow it to
serialize itself to a table.  Your code is tantalizing because it takes the
end result of my serialization (the xml file) and loads it back in to a
table which it then saves back to a data store.  Can that code be adapted to
short cut the actual storage of the data out to a file?  I.e. open a stream
that that the object can serialize itself to, but then hand that stream off
to be immediately read back and stored in a data set?  

.Net has provided a very nice facility for serializing a class, but (AFAIK)
it can only serialize itself to an XML file.  It does so however by
serializing itself onto a stream.  If that stream can be simly held and not
written to file, and then that stream handed back to a dataset to process
into a table I would have the holy grail of serialization to a table.  Any
class could then serialize itself directly into a database table. 

Of course I am completely incapable of actually coding such a solution if it
can even be done.  Or perhaps this is doable directly and I am so ignorant
that I do not even know it?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Fri Oct  5 18:42:07 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:42:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]  Combo box default value
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071006093947.02386c20@dgsolutions.net.au>

I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default 
value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing 
the existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.

TIA

David




From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Oct  5 19:12:13 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:12:13 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20071006093947.02386c20@dgsolutions.net.au>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071006093947.02386c20@dgsolutions.net.au>
Message-ID: <4706D2DD.8060503@mvps.org>

David,

The Default Value of a control only has a meaning at the point where a 
new record is being created.  If another control already has a value, 
then that point has passed, and the default value of your combobox is no 
longer applicable.

Perhaps you could explain a bit more detail about what you are doing, 
and someone will be able to suggest an alternative approach.

Regards
Steve


David and Joanne Gould wrote:
> I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default 
> value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing 
> the existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct  6 08:14:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:14:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000401c807a0$d765e480$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <000201c80789$8a873590$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000401c807a0$d765e480$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001701c8081a$e2872a20$657aa8c0@M90>

Shamil,

First of all, thanks for your assistance on this.  I am so new to VB.Net
that I would never get there on my own, but given example code I can usually
adapt it to my needs.

OK, here is the adaptation I am trying.  The concept is that I create a
class which knows how to serialize an object (class).  The following
function performs that process using XMLSerializer to serialize the current
class onto a stream passed in.

    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

Now, here is your code for using a memory stream as you called it.  This
mSave method uses a connection string and a table name parameter.  You set
up a memory stream and call the mSave method shown above to serialize the
object into that stream.  Next your create a data set which reads the xml
data back out of the stream, which creates a table in the data set using the
xml  file element names as field names in the resulting table (very nice).
Finally the "Using" block of code writes the data now in the data set out to
a table in the database.  I left in the two lines of code (commented out the
original, then modified in a second copy) where I assume I need to
substitute in my passed in table name for your hard coded table names. 

    Public Function mSave(ByVal lcnn As String, ByVal strTblName As String)
As Int16
        Try
            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                'Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" & strTblName &
"]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                'adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                adapter.Update(ds, strTblName )
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
            Return 0
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
            Return -1
        End Try
    End Function

So with these two methods, I build a clsSerializableData.  This is inherited
by any class that I want to be able to write (and read back in) its data.
Assuming this works (I haven't yet tested it) I now can write any class'
data to a file on disk (using a different existing mSave overload) or to
table (using this new mSave overload).  Is overload the right term here?

Once I get this functioning I need to go back and generate the matching
mLoad() method.  I already have one to load the class from an xml disk file.
Now I have to build one to load it from an existing table in the database.

I will let you know how the testing goes.  I am curious what the data types
will be for this table.  The data types of the class are known to the
xmlSerializer but the data type does not show up in the XML file produced
from the stream.  Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?

At any rate, again, thanks a million for your assistance on this Shamil.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

--
Shamil



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Oct  6 12:06:10 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:06:10 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <001701c8081a$e2872a20$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000701c8083b$31542570$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello John,

Yes, your code should work with some fixes:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Imports System.IO

Namespace TEST2
    ''
    '' sample
    ''
    ''Sub Main()
    ''    Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\"
    ''    Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
    ''    Dim accConnection As String = _
    ''         "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
    ''         rootDir + accDbFileName
    ''    Try
    ''        Dim o As New TEST2.myTestClass()
    ''        o.mSave(accConnection, "tblTEST")
    ''    Catch ex As Exception
    ''        Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
    ''    End Try
    ''End Sub

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Custom serializer
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public MustInherit Class CustomSerializer
        Protected Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As String
            Dim className As String = Me.GetType().ToString()
            Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
            Try
                serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
                Return className
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return ""
            End Try
        End Function

        Public Function mSave( _
                    ByVal lcnn As String, _
                    ByVal strTblName As String) As Int16
            Try
                ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
                ' (use your custom object instance here)
                Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
                Dim className As String = mSave(myStream)
                If (className.Length = 0) Then
                    Throw New ApplicationException("Can't persist object
data to memory stream")
                End If
                Dim dotIndex As Integer = className.LastIndexOf(".")
                If (dotIndex > 0) Then className =
className.Substring(dotIndex + 1)

                ' read memory stream's data into dataset
                Dim ds As New DataSet()
                myStream.Position = 0
                ds.ReadXml(myStream)

                ' write DataSet's data into database table
                Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                    Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" &
strTblName & "]")
                    Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                    Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                    cnn.Open()
                    cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                    cmd.Connection = cnn
                    adapter.Update(ds, className)
                    cnn.Close()
                End Using
                Return 0
            Catch ex As Exception
                Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
                Return -1
            End Try
        End Function
    End Class

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Sample test class
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Class myTestClass
        Inherits CustomSerializer

        Public Sub New()
            ' needed for XML serializer
        End Sub

        Public One As String = "1"
        Public Two As String = "2"
    End Class
End Namespace

<<<
Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?
>>>

John, have a look in MSDN => XmlSerializer Constructor - it has many
overloads, some of them allow to define RootElement....


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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

First of all, thanks for your assistance on this.  I am so new to VB.Net
that I would never get there on my own, but given example code I can usually
adapt it to my needs.

OK, here is the adaptation I am trying.  The concept is that I create a
class which knows how to serialize an object (class).  The following
function performs that process using XMLSerializer to serialize the current
class onto a stream passed in.

    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

Now, here is your code for using a memory stream as you called it.  This
mSave method uses a connection string and a table name parameter.  You set
up a memory stream and call the mSave method shown above to serialize the
object into that stream.  Next your create a data set which reads the xml
data back out of the stream, which creates a table in the data set using the
xml  file element names as field names in the resulting table (very nice).
Finally the "Using" block of code writes the data now in the data set out to
a table in the database.  I left in the two lines of code (commented out the
original, then modified in a second copy) where I assume I need to
substitute in my passed in table name for your hard coded table names. 

    Public Function mSave(ByVal lcnn As String, ByVal strTblName As String)
As Int16
        Try
            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                'Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" & strTblName &
"]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                'adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                adapter.Update(ds, strTblName )
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
            Return 0
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
            Return -1
        End Try
    End Function

So with these two methods, I build a clsSerializableData.  This is inherited
by any class that I want to be able to write (and read back in) its data.
Assuming this works (I haven't yet tested it) I now can write any class'
data to a file on disk (using a different existing mSave overload) or to
table (using this new mSave overload).  Is overload the right term here?

Once I get this functioning I need to go back and generate the matching
mLoad() method.  I already have one to load the class from an xml disk file.
Now I have to build one to load it from an existing table in the database.

I will let you know how the testing goes.  I am curious what the data types
will be for this table.  The data types of the class are known to the
xmlSerializer but the data type does not show up in the XML file produced
from the stream.  Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?

At any rate, again, thanks a million for your assistance on this Shamil.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct  7 15:43:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:43:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000701c8083b$31542570$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <001701c8081a$e2872a20$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000701c8083b$31542570$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <000c01c80922$ac967a20$657aa8c0@M90>

Shamil,

The code line :

adapter.Update(ds, className)

Is throwing an exception "Deferred prepare could not be completed.
Statement(s) could not be prepared.
Invalid object name 'tlbLog'."

tblLog does NOT exist yet in SQL Server and so an update is probably not
legal.  Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, your code should work with some fixes:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Imports System.IO

Namespace TEST2
    ''
    '' sample
    ''
    ''Sub Main()
    ''    Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\"
    ''    Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
    ''    Dim accConnection As String = _
    ''         "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
    ''         rootDir + accDbFileName
    ''    Try
    ''        Dim o As New TEST2.myTestClass()
    ''        o.mSave(accConnection, "tblTEST")
    ''    Catch ex As Exception
    ''        Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
    ''    End Try
    ''End Sub

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Custom serializer
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public MustInherit Class CustomSerializer
        Protected Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As String
            Dim className As String = Me.GetType().ToString()
            Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
            Try
                serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
                Return className
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return ""
            End Try
        End Function

        Public Function mSave( _
                    ByVal lcnn As String, _
                    ByVal strTblName As String) As Int16
            Try
                ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
                ' (use your custom object instance here)
                Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
                Dim className As String = mSave(myStream)
                If (className.Length = 0) Then
                    Throw New ApplicationException("Can't persist object
data to memory stream")
                End If
                Dim dotIndex As Integer = className.LastIndexOf(".")
                If (dotIndex > 0) Then className =
className.Substring(dotIndex + 1)

                ' read memory stream's data into dataset
                Dim ds As New DataSet()
                myStream.Position = 0
                ds.ReadXml(myStream)

                ' write DataSet's data into database table
                Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                    Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" &
strTblName & "]")
                    Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                    Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                    cnn.Open()
                    cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                    cmd.Connection = cnn
                    adapter.Update(ds, className)
                    cnn.Close()
                End Using
                Return 0
            Catch ex As Exception
                Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
                Return -1
            End Try
        End Function
    End Class

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Sample test class
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Class myTestClass
        Inherits CustomSerializer

        Public Sub New()
            ' needed for XML serializer
        End Sub

        Public One As String = "1"
        Public Two As String = "2"
    End Class
End Namespace

<<<
Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data types in the xml file?
Is this part of the XML standard?
>>>

John, have a look in MSDN => XmlSerializer Constructor - it has many
overloads, some of them allow to define RootElement....


--
Shamil
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

First of all, thanks for your assistance on this.  I am so new to VB.Net
that I would never get there on my own, but given example code I can usually
adapt it to my needs.

OK, here is the adaptation I am trying.  The concept is that I create a
class which knows how to serialize an object (class).  The following
function performs that process using XMLSerializer to serialize the current
class onto a stream passed in.

    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

Now, here is your code for using a memory stream as you called it.  This
mSave method uses a connection string and a table name parameter.  You set
up a memory stream and call the mSave method shown above to serialize the
object into that stream.  Next your create a data set which reads the xml
data back out of the stream, which creates a table in the data set using the
xml  file element names as field names in the resulting table (very nice).
Finally the "Using" block of code writes the data now in the data set out to
a table in the database.  I left in the two lines of code (commented out the
original, then modified in a second copy) where I assume I need to
substitute in my passed in table name for your hard coded table names. 

    Public Function mSave(ByVal lcnn As String, ByVal strTblName As String)
As Int16
        Try
            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                'Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" & strTblName &
"]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                'adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                adapter.Update(ds, strTblName )
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
            Return 0
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
            Return -1
        End Try
    End Function

So with these two methods, I build a clsSerializableData.  This is inherited
by any class that I want to be able to write (and read back in) its data.
Assuming this works (I haven't yet tested it) I now can write any class'
data to a file on disk (using a different existing mSave overload) or to
table (using this new mSave overload).  Is overload the right term here?

Once I get this functioning I need to go back and generate the matching
mLoad() method.  I already have one to load the class from an xml disk file.
Now I have to build one to load it from an existing table in the database.

I will let you know how the testing goes.  I am curious what the data types
will be for this table.  The data types of the class are known to the
xmlSerializer but the data type does not show up in the XML file produced
from the stream.  Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?

At any rate, again, thanks a million for your assistance on this Shamil.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Oct  8 01:55:20 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:55:20 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000c01c80922$ac967a20$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002f01c80978$3959a180$6401a8c0@nant>

<<<
Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?
>>>
Yes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

The code line :

adapter.Update(ds, className)

Is throwing an exception "Deferred prepare could not be completed.
Statement(s) could not be prepared.
Invalid object name 'tlbLog'."

tblLog does NOT exist yet in SQL Server and so an update is probably not
legal.  Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, your code should work with some fixes:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Imports System.IO

Namespace TEST2
    ''
    '' sample
    ''
    ''Sub Main()
    ''    Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\"
    ''    Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
    ''    Dim accConnection As String = _
    ''         "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
    ''         rootDir + accDbFileName
    ''    Try
    ''        Dim o As New TEST2.myTestClass()
    ''        o.mSave(accConnection, "tblTEST")
    ''    Catch ex As Exception
    ''        Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
    ''    End Try
    ''End Sub

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Custom serializer
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public MustInherit Class CustomSerializer
        Protected Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As String
            Dim className As String = Me.GetType().ToString()
            Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
            Try
                serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
                Return className
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return ""
            End Try
        End Function

        Public Function mSave( _
                    ByVal lcnn As String, _
                    ByVal strTblName As String) As Int16
            Try
                ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
                ' (use your custom object instance here)
                Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
                Dim className As String = mSave(myStream)
                If (className.Length = 0) Then
                    Throw New ApplicationException("Can't persist object
data to memory stream")
                End If
                Dim dotIndex As Integer = className.LastIndexOf(".")
                If (dotIndex > 0) Then className =
className.Substring(dotIndex + 1)

                ' read memory stream's data into dataset
                Dim ds As New DataSet()
                myStream.Position = 0
                ds.ReadXml(myStream)

                ' write DataSet's data into database table
                Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                    Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" &
strTblName & "]")
                    Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                    Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                    cnn.Open()
                    cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                    cmd.Connection = cnn
                    adapter.Update(ds, className)
                    cnn.Close()
                End Using
                Return 0
            Catch ex As Exception
                Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
                Return -1
            End Try
        End Function
    End Class

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Sample test class
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Class myTestClass
        Inherits CustomSerializer

        Public Sub New()
            ' needed for XML serializer
        End Sub

        Public One As String = "1"
        Public Two As String = "2"
    End Class
End Namespace

<<<
Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data types in the xml file?
Is this part of the XML standard?
>>>

John, have a look in MSDN => XmlSerializer Constructor - it has many
overloads, some of them allow to define RootElement....


--
Shamil
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

First of all, thanks for your assistance on this.  I am so new to VB.Net
that I would never get there on my own, but given example code I can usually
adapt it to my needs.

OK, here is the adaptation I am trying.  The concept is that I create a
class which knows how to serialize an object (class).  The following
function performs that process using XMLSerializer to serialize the current
class onto a stream passed in.

    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

Now, here is your code for using a memory stream as you called it.  This
mSave method uses a connection string and a table name parameter.  You set
up a memory stream and call the mSave method shown above to serialize the
object into that stream.  Next your create a data set which reads the xml
data back out of the stream, which creates a table in the data set using the
xml  file element names as field names in the resulting table (very nice).
Finally the "Using" block of code writes the data now in the data set out to
a table in the database.  I left in the two lines of code (commented out the
original, then modified in a second copy) where I assume I need to
substitute in my passed in table name for your hard coded table names. 

    Public Function mSave(ByVal lcnn As String, ByVal strTblName As String)
As Int16
        Try
            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                'Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" & strTblName &
"]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                'adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                adapter.Update(ds, strTblName )
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
            Return 0
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
            Return -1
        End Try
    End Function

So with these two methods, I build a clsSerializableData.  This is inherited
by any class that I want to be able to write (and read back in) its data.
Assuming this works (I haven't yet tested it) I now can write any class'
data to a file on disk (using a different existing mSave overload) or to
table (using this new mSave overload).  Is overload the right term here?

Once I get this functioning I need to go back and generate the matching
mLoad() method.  I already have one to load the class from an xml disk file.
Now I have to build one to load it from an existing table in the database.

I will let you know how the testing goes.  I am curious what the data types
will be for this table.  The data types of the class are known to the
xmlSerializer but the data type does not show up in the XML file produced
from the stream.  Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?

At any rate, again, thanks a million for your assistance on this Shamil.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 05:01:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:01:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <002f01c80978$3959a180$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <000c01c80922$ac967a20$657aa8c0@M90>
	<002f01c80978$3959a180$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001b01c80992$27223e90$657aa8c0@M90>

I looked but did not find a way for the ADO stuff to just persist a table
that is in a data set but not in SQL Server.  Is there such a thing or will
I need to build up a sql statement to execute to do this? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

<<<
Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?
>>>
Yes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

The code line :

adapter.Update(ds, className)

Is throwing an exception "Deferred prepare could not be completed.
Statement(s) could not be prepared.
Invalid object name 'tlbLog'."

tblLog does NOT exist yet in SQL Server and so an update is probably not
legal.  Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct  8 08:15:42 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 White Paper
Message-ID: <001201c809ad$54a1ef30$0200a8c0@danwaters>

A white paper (10 minutes to read) describing Office 2003 SP3 is here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9c6736ba-ac90-4308-
855a-070812b11e03&DisplayLang=en

A couple of good things for Access (among several):

- Users can now install Microsoft Office AccessT add-ins on Windows Vista. 

- Moving the mouse over pages of a tab control in Access 2003 no longer
causes the computer screen to flicker. 

Has anyone had further experience with SP3 - good or bad or indifferent?

Dan



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 08:37:50 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:37:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>

It's CDN Thanksgiving, so here is my Thanksgiving: Thank you all for being
here on these various dba-subgroups: I learn somethings every day here,
which explains my reading virtually every message here. Thank you all!

Basically I'm a vegetarian, not for any spiritual or dietary reasons, and I
do allow myself to eat meat on various celebratory occasions, this being one
of them. I surely feel the pain in the morning, however, but it's nice to
share food and give thanks with friends. We have it sooooo good. We are not
murdering each other. We may have slight disagreements, to be sure, but we
get along and learn from one another. That is something precious for which
to be thankful.

I realize that the USA members have to wait another month or so celebrate,
and that this celebratory day may mean little or nothing to members in other
parts of the world, but anyway, Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
than I was.

Arthur


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 08:52:48 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:52:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003101c809b2$83b44fc0$657aa8c0@M90>

Happy Thanksgiving day Arthur.  We are unique in that politics do not
intrude on our lists and we all view each other as friends and human beings.
Enjoy your day. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of Hardware
and Software issues; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

It's CDN Thanksgiving, so here is my Thanksgiving: Thank you all for being
here on these various dba-subgroups: I learn somethings every day here,
which explains my reading virtually every message here. Thank you all!

Basically I'm a vegetarian, not for any spiritual or dietary reasons, and I
do allow myself to eat meat on various celebratory occasions, this being one
of them. I surely feel the pain in the morning, however, but it's nice to
share food and give thanks with friends. We have it sooooo good. We are not
murdering each other. We may have slight disagreements, to be sure, but we
get along and learn from one another. That is something precious for which
to be thankful.

I realize that the USA members have to wait another month or so celebrate,
and that this celebratory day may mean little or nothing to members in other
parts of the world, but anyway, Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
than I was.

Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  8 09:11:20 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:11:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501c809b5$1a36d1f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Amen.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of Hardware
and Software issues; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

It's CDN Thanksgiving, so here is my Thanksgiving: Thank you all for being
here on these various dba-subgroups: I learn somethings every day here,
which explains my reading virtually every message here. Thank you all!

Basically I'm a vegetarian, not for any spiritual or dietary reasons, and I
do allow myself to eat meat on various celebratory occasions, this being one
of them. I surely feel the pain in the morning, however, but it's nice to
share food and give thanks with friends. We have it sooooo good. We are not
murdering each other. We may have slight disagreements, to be sure, but we
get along and learn from one another. That is something precious for which
to be thankful.

I realize that the USA members have to wait another month or so celebrate,
and that this celebratory day may mean little or nothing to members in other
parts of the world, but anyway, Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
than I was.

Arthur
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon Oct  8 09:24:22 2007
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:24:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <001501c809b5$1a36d1f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531A@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last
date of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the
fourth Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth
Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if
there is an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  8 09:45:48 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:45:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70a5ec8.014@cactus.dk>

Hi Joe

What a strange request. Where do you use such info?

Anyway, the first function below should get you started; loop through the months in question, and when a month with a count of five is found, check if the preceeding two months each have a count of four. If a full 4-4-5 match is located, retrieve the last date of the last month using the second function.

/gustav

Public Function WeekdaysOfMonth( _
  ByVal datDateOfMonth As Date, _
  Optional ByVal intWeekday As Integer) _
  As Long

' Calculate count of a weekday in a month
' which always is four or five.
'
' 2002-07-14. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Minimum number of weeks for any month.
  Const clngCountWeekdayMin As Long = 4
  ' Number of days in a week.
  Const clngWeekdays        As Long = 7
  ' Specify default weekday.
  Const cintweekdayDefault  As Integer = vbSunday
  
  Dim datWeekday28th        As Date
  Dim datWeekdayLast        As Date
  Dim intWeekday28th        As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayLast        As Integer
  Dim intYear               As Integer
  Dim intMonth              As Integer
  Dim lngFive               As Long
  
  ' Validate intWeekday.
  Select Case intWeekday
    Case vbMonday, vbTuesday, vbWednesday, vbThursday, vbFriday, vbSaturday, vbSunday
      ' No change.
    Case Else
      ' Pick default weekday.
      intWeekday = cintweekdayDefault
  End Select

  intYear = Year(datDateOfMonth)
  intMonth = Month(datDateOfMonth)
  ' Dates of the 28th and the last of the month.
  datWeekday28th = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth, clngCountWeekdayMin * clngWeekdays)
  datWeekdayLast = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth + 1, 0)
  ' Weekdays of the 28th and the last of the month.
  intWeekday28th = WeekDay(datWeekday28th, vbSunday)
  intWeekdayLast = WeekDay(datWeekdayLast, vbSunday)
  
  ' Check if the weekday exists between the 28th and the last of the month.
  If intWeekday28th <= intWeekdayLast Then
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday And intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  Else
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday Or intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  End If
  
  WeekdaysOfMonth = clngCountWeekdayMin + lngFive

End Function


Public Function DateThisMonthLast( _
  Optional ByVal datDateThisMonth As Date) _
  As Date

  If datDateThisMonth = 0 Then
    datDateThisMonth = Date
  End If
  
  DateThisMonthLast = DateSerial(Year(datDateThisMonth), Month(datDateThisMonth) + 1, 0)

End Function



>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 08-10-2007 16:24 >>>
Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last
date of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the
fourth Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth
Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if
there is an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  8 10:03:27 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:03:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 White Paper
In-Reply-To: <001201c809ad$54a1ef30$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001201c809ad$54a1ef30$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000b01c809bc$63078d00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I was just having that flicker problem on a complex tab form.  So I did the
upgrade and it cleared it up.  Previous solution was to make a text box zero
height and width and associate the label with it.  That stopped the flicker
on labels, but there was no solution for command buttons which caused the
same flicker.

So I did the upgrade and sure enough the flicker stopped.  Now I'm waiting
for the new, fresh SP3 bugs.  


Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 White Paper

A white paper (10 minutes to read) describing Office 2003 SP3 is here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9c6736ba-ac90-4308-
855a-070812b11e03&DisplayLang=en

A couple of good things for Access (among several):

- Users can now install Microsoft Office AccessT add-ins on Windows Vista. 

- Moving the mouse over pages of a tab control in Access 2003 no longer
causes the computer screen to flicker. 

Has anyone had further experience with SP3 - good or bad or indifferent?

Dan

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  8 10:09:53 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:09:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071006093947.02386c20@dgsolutions.net.au>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703873@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I suspect what you're asking is how to display an existing value that
isn't in the combo dropdown list.  As was pointed out, this isn't the
same as a default value.  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David and
Joanne Gould
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value

I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default
value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing the
existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.

TIA

David


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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon Oct  8 10:26:37 2007
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:26:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <s70a5ec8.014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Thanks for the functions!

Some public companies use this pattern for their "end of months".
I don't know the logic behind it...I just know I need to make my app
work with it. :)

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov
only have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays.
The rational must be buried in that fact.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Joe

What a strange request. Where do you use such info?

Anyway, the first function below should get you started; loop through
the months in question, and when a month with a count of five is found,
check if the preceeding two months each have a count of four. If a full
4-4-5 match is located, retrieve the last date of the last month using
the second function.

/gustav

Public Function WeekdaysOfMonth( _
  ByVal datDateOfMonth As Date, _
  Optional ByVal intWeekday As Integer) _
  As Long

' Calculate count of a weekday in a month
' which always is four or five.
'
' 2002-07-14. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Minimum number of weeks for any month.
  Const clngCountWeekdayMin As Long = 4
  ' Number of days in a week.
  Const clngWeekdays        As Long = 7
  ' Specify default weekday.
  Const cintweekdayDefault  As Integer = vbSunday
  
  Dim datWeekday28th        As Date
  Dim datWeekdayLast        As Date
  Dim intWeekday28th        As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayLast        As Integer
  Dim intYear               As Integer
  Dim intMonth              As Integer
  Dim lngFive               As Long
  
  ' Validate intWeekday.
  Select Case intWeekday
    Case vbMonday, vbTuesday, vbWednesday, vbThursday, vbFriday,
vbSaturday, vbSunday
      ' No change.
    Case Else
      ' Pick default weekday.
      intWeekday = cintweekdayDefault
  End Select

  intYear = Year(datDateOfMonth)
  intMonth = Month(datDateOfMonth)
  ' Dates of the 28th and the last of the month.
  datWeekday28th = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth, clngCountWeekdayMin *
clngWeekdays)
  datWeekdayLast = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth + 1, 0)
  ' Weekdays of the 28th and the last of the month.
  intWeekday28th = WeekDay(datWeekday28th, vbSunday)
  intWeekdayLast = WeekDay(datWeekdayLast, vbSunday)
  
  ' Check if the weekday exists between the 28th and the last of the
month.
  If intWeekday28th <= intWeekdayLast Then
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday And intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  Else
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday Or intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  End If
  
  WeekdaysOfMonth = clngCountWeekdayMin + lngFive

End Function


Public Function DateThisMonthLast( _
  Optional ByVal datDateThisMonth As Date) _
  As Date

  If datDateThisMonth = 0 Then
    datDateThisMonth = Date
  End If
  
  DateThisMonthLast = DateSerial(Year(datDateThisMonth),
Month(datDateThisMonth) + 1, 0)

End Function



>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 08-10-2007 16:24 >>>
Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last
date of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the
fourth Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth
Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if
there is an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 10:36:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:36:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
References: <s70a5ec8.014@cactus.dk>
	<758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c809c1$0d2f7050$657aa8c0@M90>

Joe,

How many Saturdays each month contains will vary from year to year as the
calendar slides around.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Thanks for the functions!

Some public companies use this pattern for their "end of months".
I don't know the logic behind it...I just know I need to make my app work
with it. :)

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov only
have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays.
The rational must be buried in that fact.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Joe

What a strange request. Where do you use such info?

Anyway, the first function below should get you started; loop through the
months in question, and when a month with a count of five is found, check if
the preceeding two months each have a count of four. If a full
4-4-5 match is located, retrieve the last date of the last month using the
second function.

/gustav

Public Function WeekdaysOfMonth( _
  ByVal datDateOfMonth As Date, _
  Optional ByVal intWeekday As Integer) _
  As Long

' Calculate count of a weekday in a month ' which always is four or five.
'
' 2002-07-14. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Minimum number of weeks for any month.
  Const clngCountWeekdayMin As Long = 4
  ' Number of days in a week.
  Const clngWeekdays        As Long = 7
  ' Specify default weekday.
  Const cintweekdayDefault  As Integer = vbSunday
  
  Dim datWeekday28th        As Date
  Dim datWeekdayLast        As Date
  Dim intWeekday28th        As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayLast        As Integer
  Dim intYear               As Integer
  Dim intMonth              As Integer
  Dim lngFive               As Long
  
  ' Validate intWeekday.
  Select Case intWeekday
    Case vbMonday, vbTuesday, vbWednesday, vbThursday, vbFriday, vbSaturday,
vbSunday
      ' No change.
    Case Else
      ' Pick default weekday.
      intWeekday = cintweekdayDefault
  End Select

  intYear = Year(datDateOfMonth)
  intMonth = Month(datDateOfMonth)
  ' Dates of the 28th and the last of the month.
  datWeekday28th = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth, clngCountWeekdayMin *
clngWeekdays)
  datWeekdayLast = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth + 1, 0)
  ' Weekdays of the 28th and the last of the month.
  intWeekday28th = WeekDay(datWeekday28th, vbSunday)
  intWeekdayLast = WeekDay(datWeekdayLast, vbSunday)
  
  ' Check if the weekday exists between the 28th and the last of the month.
  If intWeekday28th <= intWeekdayLast Then
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday And intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  Else
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday Or intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  End If
  
  WeekdaysOfMonth = clngCountWeekdayMin + lngFive

End Function


Public Function DateThisMonthLast( _
  Optional ByVal datDateThisMonth As Date) _
  As Date

  If datDateThisMonth = 0 Then
    datDateThisMonth = Date
  End If
  
  DateThisMonthLast = DateSerial(Year(datDateThisMonth),
Month(datDateThisMonth) + 1, 0)

End Function



>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 08-10-2007 16:24 >>>
Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last date
of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the fourth
Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if there is
an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct  8 10:37:18 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:37:18 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7082@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

-----Original Message-----
<snip>

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov only
have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays. The rational must be
buried in that fact.

<snip>

Not so, I'm afraid. The number of Saturdays in a month is not static. It
depends on what year you are looking at. For instance May 2008 has 5, not 4.
June 2008 has 4, not 5.

Lambert


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Oct  8 10:39:57 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:39:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
References: <s70a5ec8.014@cactus.dk>
	<758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <007201c809c1$7b937aa0$8abea8c0@XPS>


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Thanks for the functions!

Some public companies use this pattern for their "end of months".
I don't know the logic behind it...I just know I need to make my app
work with it. :)

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov
only have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays.
The rational must be buried in that fact.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Joe

What a strange request. Where do you use such info?

Anyway, the first function below should get you started; loop through
the months in question, and when a month with a count of five is found,
check if the preceeding two months each have a count of four. If a full
4-4-5 match is located, retrieve the last date of the last month using
the second function.

/gustav

Public Function WeekdaysOfMonth( _
  ByVal datDateOfMonth As Date, _
  Optional ByVal intWeekday As Integer) _
  As Long

' Calculate count of a weekday in a month
' which always is four or five.
'
' 2002-07-14. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Minimum number of weeks for any month.
  Const clngCountWeekdayMin As Long = 4
  ' Number of days in a week.
  Const clngWeekdays        As Long = 7
  ' Specify default weekday.
  Const cintweekdayDefault  As Integer = vbSunday
  
  Dim datWeekday28th        As Date
  Dim datWeekdayLast        As Date
  Dim intWeekday28th        As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayLast        As Integer
  Dim intYear               As Integer
  Dim intMonth              As Integer
  Dim lngFive               As Long
  
  ' Validate intWeekday.
  Select Case intWeekday
    Case vbMonday, vbTuesday, vbWednesday, vbThursday, vbFriday,
vbSaturday, vbSunday
      ' No change.
    Case Else
      ' Pick default weekday.
      intWeekday = cintweekdayDefault
  End Select

  intYear = Year(datDateOfMonth)
  intMonth = Month(datDateOfMonth)
  ' Dates of the 28th and the last of the month.
  datWeekday28th = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth, clngCountWeekdayMin *
clngWeekdays)
  datWeekdayLast = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth + 1, 0)
  ' Weekdays of the 28th and the last of the month.
  intWeekday28th = WeekDay(datWeekday28th, vbSunday)
  intWeekdayLast = WeekDay(datWeekdayLast, vbSunday)
  
  ' Check if the weekday exists between the 28th and the last of the
month.
  If intWeekday28th <= intWeekdayLast Then
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday And intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  Else
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday Or intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  End If
  
  WeekdaysOfMonth = clngCountWeekdayMin + lngFive

End Function


Public Function DateThisMonthLast( _
  Optional ByVal datDateThisMonth As Date) _
  As Date

  If datDateThisMonth = 0 Then
    datDateThisMonth = Date
  End If
  
  DateThisMonthLast = DateSerial(Year(datDateThisMonth),
Month(datDateThisMonth) + 1, 0)

End Function



>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 08-10-2007 16:24 >>>
Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last
date of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the
fourth Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth
Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if
there is an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506



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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 11:30:56 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:30:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <007201c809c1$7b937aa0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29CFB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  8 11:42:28 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:42:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70a7a25.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

You can certainly do better than that.
Since when have you turned old and lazy?

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 18:30 >>>
.. Seems like the most efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew




From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon Oct  8 12:45:48 2007
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:45:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7082@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C5323@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Good catch.
Either way the requirement stays the same.

I ended up using DateSerial to move to the beginning of the month, then
to the first Saturday, and then add 3 or 4 week accordingly.
Seems to work out well.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

-----Original Message-----
<snip>

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov
only
have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays. The rational must be
buried in that fact.

<snip>

Not so, I'm afraid. The number of Saturdays in a month is not static. It
depends on what year you are looking at. For instance May 2008 has 5,
not 4.
June 2008 has 4, not 5.

Lambert
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Oct  8 12:59:07 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:59:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C5323@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7082@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
	<758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C5323@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <001501c809d4$ec7f94c0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Joe,

  To thoroughly test, make sure you try your calc for the next 7 years
forward.  I think where your going to run into trouble is with either the
start or end of the year, as they may not be full weeks.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Good catch.
Either way the requirement stays the same.

I ended up using DateSerial to move to the beginning of the month, then
to the first Saturday, and then add 3 or 4 week accordingly.
Seems to work out well.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

-----Original Message-----
<snip>

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov
only
have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays. The rational must be
buried in that fact.

<snip>

Not so, I'm afraid. The number of Saturdays in a month is not static. It
depends on what year you are looking at. For instance May 2008 has 5,
not 4.
June 2008 has 4, not 5.

Lambert
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Oct  8 13:05:09 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:05:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29CFB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <007201c809c1$7b937aa0$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29CFB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <002801c809d5$c446d6c0$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Besides which with a lookup table, they can implement whatever type of
closing schedule they want (monthly or 4-4-5).  For myself, I've always used
a hybrid approach; I use a lookup table, but fill that table automatically
for them with what I believe to be the correct dates based on what they tell
me the last day of the week is and what schedule their using.  Finial check
then is up to them.

  I'd be leery of using a totally calculated approach.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:11:41 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:11:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
References: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
	<003101c809b2$83b44fc0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

> intrude on our lists and we all view each other as friends and human 
> beings.



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:32:00 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:32:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
	<003101c809b2$83b44fc0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710081132wcf660beyc235144423dd94f3@mail.gmail.com>

Yup. I have found several reasons to use unbounded forms -- not often, to be
sure, but now and then, especially when dealing with classes rather than
tables.

A.

On 10/8/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Even the unbounders???? ;)
>
> Susan H.
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 13:36:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:36:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com><003101c809b2$83b44fc0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000801c809da$2d3f41e0$657aa8c0@M90>

Oh.  I forgot about them.

Never mind!

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:38:41 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:38:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <s70a7a25.021@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D22@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair
too.... ;)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Drew

You can certainly do better than that.
Since when have you turned old and lazy?

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 18:30 >>>
.. Seems like the most efficient route would be to just build a look up
table.

Drew


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:40:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:40:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
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Not sure if that will actually do the trick.  If you are going on a true
4 4 5 routine, eventually, the Saturday will be in a different month.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  Besides which with a lookup table, they can implement whatever type of
closing schedule they want (monthly or 4-4-5).  For myself, I've always
used
a hybrid approach; I use a lookup table, but fill that table
automatically
for them with what I believe to be the correct dates based on what they
tell
me the last day of the week is and what schedule their using.  Finial
check
then is up to them.

  I'd be leery of using a totally calculated approach.

Jim.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:41:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:41:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D24@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ya know, OT has been pretty quiet lately.  If you really want to stir
the pot, why not start something over there?

;)

Drew

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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

> intrude on our lists and we all view each other as friends and human 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:42:37 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:42:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000801c809da$2d3f41e0$657aa8c0@M90>
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Nice one JC, let everyone believe you haven't gone to the dark
side...good ploy! ;)

Drew

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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

Oh.  I forgot about them.

Never mind!

;-) 


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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

> intrude on our lists and we all view each other as friends and human 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:45:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:45:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D22@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c809db$87bf2d00$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

You certainly have given me a few... ;) 

Susan H. 


> Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair
> too.... ;)
> 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:54:11 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:54:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c809db$87bf2d00$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D2C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

LOL, so you were trying to get some more with stirring up the
unbound/bound issue here? LOL.

Glutton for punishment ya are! ;)

Drew

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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

You certainly have given me a few... ;) 

Susan H. 


> Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair
> too.... ;)
> 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 14:08:37 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:08:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D2C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00e401c809de$bec3ecc0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Now look, I wasn't trying to stir up nothing... you've got me all wrong!!! 
;)

Susan H.

> LOL, so you were trying to get some more with stirring up the
> unbound/bound issue here? LOL.
>
> Glutton for punishment ya are! ;)
.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 15:40:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:40:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
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References: <s70a7a25.021@cactus.dk>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D22@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000c01c809eb$6e4bb900$657aa8c0@M90>

Ahh, the long slide into oblivion... 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair too....
;)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Drew

You can certainly do better than that.
Since when have you turned old and lazy?

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 18:30 >>>
.. Seems like the most efficient route would be to just build a look up
table.

Drew


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 15:40:57 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:40:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
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8~)) 


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

Nice one JC, let everyone believe you haven't gone to the dark side...good
ploy! ;)

Drew

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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

Oh.  I forgot about them.

Never mind!

;-) 


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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:12 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct  8 22:38:35 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:38:35 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
Message-ID: <20071009033741.HYWK9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

AccessXP mde.

I have a drop down list with names of 
businesses.  It is set up so that when the user 
starts typing the first match is filled in.  The 
letters typed in are clear and the remaining 
letters of the match are highlighted.

In some cases, even though the whole name has not 
been typed in, the rest of the name automatically 
becomes unselected.  The user then needs to 
delete the matched letters they have NOT typed in 
to be able to continue typing to get the match they want.

It seems to be when the business name includes 
the word Cafe.  We have changed autocorrect so 
that Cafe is not automatically changed to Caf? 
(with the squiggle over the e) but this doesn't seem to have helped.

I think it may be settings as some computers work 
fine - only some have this problem. Although they 
are running the program through terminal server 
so I would have thought that they should all react the same.

Any thoughts what may be the problem?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 




From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Oct  8 23:26:19 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:26:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
References: <20071009033741.HYWK9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000701c80a2c$8b92ed80$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

David - I have a similiar routine for combo boxes and have never seen that 
(in A2K and 2003).

Have you actually turned off Autocorrect completely and then tried again?

Kath

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From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing


> AccessXP mde.
>
> I have a drop down list with names of
> businesses.  It is set up so that when the user
> starts typing the first match is filled in.  The
> letters typed in are clear and the remaining
> letters of the match are highlighted.
>
> In some cases, even though the whole name has not
> been typed in, the rest of the name automatically
> becomes unselected.  The user then needs to
> delete the matched letters they have NOT typed in
> to be able to continue typing to get the match they want.
>
> It seems to be when the business name includes
> the word Cafe.  We have changed autocorrect so
> that Cafe is not automatically changed to Caf?
> (with the squiggle over the e) but this doesn't seem to have helped.
>
> I think it may be settings as some computers work
> fine - only some have this problem. Although they
> are running the program through terminal server
> so I would have thought that they should all react the same.
>
> Any thoughts what may be the problem?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Oct  9 01:07:10 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:07:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Autocorrect Combo
Message-ID: <001901c80a3a$a19952a0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

David - sorry for change in subject line. I deleted the prev email and forgot what your original subject was.

Just a thought - if autocorrect IS causing the problem, and you don't want to turn off Autocorrect completely, then you could just disable it for that one control, eg.
Me.CboName.AllowAutoCorrect = False

You wouldn't really want Autocorrect in it anyway, would you?

hth
Kath Pelletti



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 04:41:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:41:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70b68f6.028@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Oh, that explains (... said the gray haired oldy).

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 20:38 >>>
Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair
too.... ;)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Drew

You can certainly do better than that.
Since when have you turned old and lazy?

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 18:30 >>>
.. Seems like the most efficient route would be to just build a look up
table.

Drew




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 04:46:35 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:46:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70b6a42.029@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Leery? I wonder why. A function like this will run in microseconds and begs to be wrapped into a callback function as source for your combo.

This is a general comment. That said, I still don't get how this 4-4-5 system should be used and calculated, and your comments about weeks at year end seem highly relevant.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 08-10-2007 20:05 >>>

  Besides which with a lookup table, they can implement whatever type of
closing schedule they want (monthly or 4-4-5).  For myself, I've always used
a hybrid approach; I use a lookup table, but fill that table automatically
for them with what I believe to be the correct dates based on what they tell
me the last day of the week is and what schedule their using.  Finial check
then is up to them.

  I'd be leery of using a totally calculated approach.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 08:06:00 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:06:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
References: <20071009033741.HYWK9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <006201c80a75$ccb1b9b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

What about updates? If it works on some systems and not others, could be a 
update inconsistency.

Susan H.



I think it may be settings as some computers work
fine - only some have this problem. Although they
are running the program through terminal server
so I would have thought that they should all react the same.

Any thoughts what may be the problem?




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Oct  9 08:18:17 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:18:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <s70b6a42.029@cactus.dk>
References: <s70b6a42.029@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004d01c80a76$db9828a0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Gustav,

<<Leery? I wonder why.>>

  My gut hunch is it would be easy for the calculation logic to be wrong and
miss it. It would be something that I would want to exhaustively test.  Case
in point; it was only seven years ago that a lot of date calculations messed
up because they didn't include the third rule for calculating leap years (if
it's divisible by 400, then it is a leap year).

  Then of course a large part of that distrust is probably just old habit;
I've been using a lookup table for fiscal dates since my Wang mini days.
Just seems a lot simpler and straight forward to me and I've never had a
problem doing it that way.  So as the saying goes, "If it's not broke...."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Jim

Leery? I wonder why. A function like this will run in microseconds and begs
to be wrapped into a callback function as source for your combo.

This is a general comment. That said, I still don't get how this 4-4-5
system should be used and calculated, and your comments about weeks at year
end seem highly relevant.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 08-10-2007 20:05 >>>

  Besides which with a lookup table, they can implement whatever type of
closing schedule they want (monthly or 4-4-5).  For myself, I've always used
a hybrid approach; I use a lookup table, but fill that table automatically
for them with what I believe to be the correct dates based on what they tell
me the last day of the week is and what schedule their using.  Finial check
then is up to them.

  I'd be leery of using a totally calculated approach.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 


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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Tue Oct  9 08:34:59 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:34:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703873@INFOSERVER04.infost
	at.local>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071006093947.02386c20@dgsolutions.net.au>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703873@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233315.023ee548@dgsolutions.net.au>

Charlotte

The value is in the drop down list, I just want it to show the most 
common value (the query doers it fine) so the user can just accept 
the value instead of having to select it from the dropdown list.

David

At 01:09 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>I suspect what you're asking is how to display an existing value that
>isn't in the combo dropdown list.  As was pointed out, this isn't the
>same as a default value.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David and
>Joanne Gould
>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:42 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
>
>I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default
>value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing the
>existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.
>
>TIA
>
>David
>
>
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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Tue Oct  9 08:38:12 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:38:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>

Steve

The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a 
tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by 
most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a 
blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default. 
The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order 
- just leaves it blank until a choice is made.

Hope this makes more sense.

David

At 10:12 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote:
>David,
>
>The Default Value of a control only has a meaning at the point where a
>new record is being created.  If another control already has a value,
>then that point has passed, and the default value of your combobox is no
>longer applicable.
>
>Perhaps you could explain a bit more detail about what you are doing,
>and someone will be able to suggest an alternative approach.
>
>Regards
>Steve
>
>
>David and Joanne Gould wrote:
> > I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default
> > value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing
> > the existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  9 09:41:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 07:41:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even bother
clicking the link.
 
Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download your
own copy of VisiCalc.
 
http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
<http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=10438
> &GT1=10438  

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com

 

 


 

 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 10:23:46 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:23:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710090823k2665b06i9f5e97542472e895@mail.gmail.com>

You could count the actual entries in the table (not in the lookup table)
and select top 1 descending: Here's an example drawn from one of my apps.

SELECT TOP 1 LightCurtainData_tbl.CompanyID, Count([CompanyID]) AS
Occurrences
FROM LightCurtainData_tbl
GROUP BY CompanyID
Order By Count([CompanyID]) DESC

Edit to suit, save as a named query. Use Dlookup() to obtain the value. Make
the default value of the combo "=Dlookup("[CompanyID]",
"LightCurtainData_tbl") in this case. Substitute your own values for the
table and columns and you're away to the races. I just whipped up a sample
form to test it and it works as advertised.

hth,
Arthur

On 10/9/07, David and Joanne Gould <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au> wrote:
>
> Steve
>
> The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.
>
> Hope this makes more sense.
>
> David
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 10:26:43 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:26:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710090823k2665b06i9f5e97542472e895@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
	<29f585dd0710090823k2665b06i9f5e97542472e895@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710090826u79c1c212l497bdc36f0ae9611@mail.gmail.com>

Oops. I clicked "Send" too quickly. In the Dlookup you refer to the named
query not the table. In my case  the combo box's  default  value is:

=DLookUp("CompanyID","CompanyCount_Desc_qs")

(The _qs is my naming convention, denoting a query select. _qu is a query
update, _qd is a delete, etc.)

A.

On 10/9/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You could count the actual entries in the table (not in the lookup table)
> and select top 1 descending: Here's an example drawn from one of my apps.
>
> SELECT TOP 1 LightCurtainData_tbl.CompanyID, Count([CompanyID]) AS
> Occurrences
> FROM LightCurtainData_tbl
> GROUP BY CompanyID
> Order By Count([CompanyID]) DESC
>
> Edit to suit, save as a named query. Use Dlookup() to obtain the value.
> Make the default value of the combo "=Dlookup("[CompanyID]",
> "LightCurtainData_tbl") in this case. Substitute your own values for the
> table and columns and you're away to the races. I just whipped up a sample
> form to test it and it works as advertised.
>
> hth,
> Arthur
>
> On 10/9/07, David and Joanne Gould <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> > tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> > most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> > blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> > The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> > - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.
> >
> > Hope this makes more sense.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 10:29:05 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:29:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even bother
> clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download your
> own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  9 10:41:27 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:41:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c80a8a$dba7c8f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I'm embarrassed to say how many of those machines I either owned or worked
on.  

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even 
> bother clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download 
> your own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=
> 10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  9 10:58:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:58:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004501c80a8d$461e0c60$657aa8c0@M90>

>My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M.

LOL.  My first PC I built from a kit.  It had 512K or ram and didn't come
with anything.  I ran CPM on it, and any software of interest that I could
download off of the bulletin boards that I dialed into using a 2400 baud
modem.  Stored them on a dual drive 8 inch floppy (which cost me $750) with
a whopping 1 meg storage per floppy.  I was writing programs in Turbo Pascal
at that time (~1983).

My first "PC" pc was an Epson PCXT with DOS, and I purchased Dbase III Plus,
Word Perfect and Lotus 123.  That would have been ~1986 or so.  An XT
machine with a 10 meg disk and (gasp) FIVE MEGS of ram, most of which was
just used as a RAM disk since DOS did not directly support more than about
640K at that time.  I knew I was "famous" when I got a call from a person in
New York (I was living in San Diego at that time) who had downloaded one of
my programs off of a bulletin board somewhere and wanted me to make some mod
or another.

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I
tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even 
> bother clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download 
> your own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=
> 10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 11:32:35 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:32:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <s70bc96b.040@cactus.dk>

Hi John

That was indeed a cruel action. Word 2.0 to replace WP ... she has my sympathy.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 17:58 >>>

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 11:41:29 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:41:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <BAY127-W34E5C6AC3FF55F4329BBCFD2A50@phx.gbl>


About 4 years ago I tried to write a function to determine a 4-4-5 calendar.  What I ran into is the business continuously had to adjust the calendar here and there to account for each year...even though they claimed, "Its easy...4-4-5,,,see>?"...then when I showed them the following year's dates...."Oh?>?>?...we just change that week...that doesn't count."
 
Being that this type of accounting is constantly evolving...I vote for a table that lists every date for the next 5 years...and just tell it what fiscal month/week/year it belongs to.
 
Mark A. Matte> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:59:07 -0400> From: jimdettman at verizon.net> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule> > Joe,> > To thoroughly test, make sure you try your calc for the next 7 years> forward. I think where your going to run into trouble is with either the> start or end of the year, as they may not be full weeks.> > Jim. > > -----Original Message-----> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:46 PM> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule> > Good catch.> Either way the requirement stays the same.> > I ended up using DateSerial to move to the beginning of the month, then> to the first Saturday, and then add 3 or 4 week accordingly.> Seems to work out well.> > Joe Rojas> Information Technology Manager> Symmetry Medical TNCO> 15 Colebrook Blvd> Whitman MA 02382> 781.447.6661 x7506> > > -----Original Message-----> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,> Lambert> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:37 AM> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule> > -----Original Message-----> <snip>> > If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov> only> have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays. The rational must be> buried in that fact.> > <snip>> > Not so, I'm afraid. The number of Saturdays in a month is not static. It> depends on what year you are looking at. For instance May 2008 has 5,> not 4.> June 2008 has 4, not 5.> > Lambert> -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  9 11:45:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:45:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <s70bc96b.040@cactus.dk>
References: <s70bc96b.040@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005601c80a93$dbcd6340$657aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

That was indeed a cruel action. Word 2.0 to replace WP ... she has my
sympathy.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 17:58 >>>

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I
tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 11:55:10 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:55:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <s70bceb2.041@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

That was indeed a cruel action. Word 2.0 to replace WP ... she has my
sympathy.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 17:58 >>>

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I
tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 11:59:24 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:59:24 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70bcfa3.042@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Thanks, that explains why I can't get hold on it. Computers are bad for systems with no strict rules.

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 09-10-2007 18:41 >>>

About 4 years ago I tried to write a function to determine a 4-4-5 calendar.  What I ran into is the business continuously had to adjust the calendar here and there to account for each year...even though they claimed, "Its easy...4-4-5,,,see>?"...then when I showed them the following year's dates...."Oh?>?>?...we just change that week...that doesn't count."
 
Being that this type of accounting is constantly evolving...I vote for a table that lists every date for the next 5 years...and just tell it what fiscal month/week/year it belongs to.





From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 12:02:32 2007
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:02:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code - Installation Key
Message-ID: <BAY109-F315DA972CAA18D71686F9D9AA50@phx.gbl>


With the Developer Extensions, you are given a product key when you package 
an Access application.  The product key is embedded in the Setup.ini file.   
I want to control how many copies the user can install at their office.  I 
have included the license agreement in the installation of the software, but 
cannot figure out how to control how many copies the user is able to 
install.

With the wizard, the product key is automatic.  I want to only allow the 
user to install one copy with one product key.  Is this possible with the 
developer extensions?

I cannot find any documentation on this.






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44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  9 12:16:57 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:16:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation
Message-ID: <008c01c80a98$32cbe870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I am dealing with an excel workbook through automation and need to change
the active worksheet using the worksheet name.  I'm creating these
worksheets on the fly taking the name from a data value in the Access app.
But can't seem to get the syntax.
 
Does anyone know this offhand?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 	
	


From jengross at gte.net  Tue Oct  9 12:35:21 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:35:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code - Installation
	Key
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-F315DA972CAA18D71686F9D9AA50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000a01c80a9a$c82f3f00$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Julie,

The way that I have handled restricting the number of installations is
by using a start up form that requires the user to enter a serial number
that we provide, then register the software on our website through the
software, the website kicks back an unlock code that is generated
through an algorithm that takes incorporates the serial number.  The
website only allows registration of each serial number once.  I use
registry settings to track date of install, serial number, etc.  All of
that is set during the installation.

As I have seen from the way that major software manufacturers deal with
piracy, there is no easy way to restrict the number of installs.
Microsoft themselves has spent years and a lot of money to come up with
their authentication scheme - which most high school kids can get
around.  The best we can do is make it difficult.  I do this with serial
numbers and required website registration through the software.

Also, as an aside, I stopped using Microsoft's packaging for
distribution with Access 97.  I now use SageKey scripts with Wise
Installer.  I haven't even bothered to try Microsoft's scripts since I
found SageKey.  They do a fantastic job, installing minimal extra stuff
(like the mandatory Internet Explorer install that is required to
distribute A2K runtime - Microsoft installs IE automatically and makes
it the default browser, while SageKey checks to see if any IE is already
installed, and if not, installs IE 3 I think, a very small installation,
and does not change the default browser)  www.sagekey.com  

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie Reardon
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code - Installation
Key



With the Developer Extensions, you are given a product key when you
package 
an Access application.  The product key is embedded in the Setup.ini
file.   
I want to control how many copies the user can install at their office.
I 
have included the license agreement in the installation of the software,
but 
cannot figure out how to control how many copies the user is able to 
install.

With the wizard, the product key is automatic.  I want to only allow the

user to install one copy with one product key.  Is this possible with
the 
developer extensions?

I cannot find any documentation on this.






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PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
www.pro-soft.net
NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business

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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Oct  9 12:40:08 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:40:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation
In-Reply-To: <008c01c80a98$32cbe870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <008c01c80a98$32cbe870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <095f01c80a9b$739a9ba0$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Rocky:

>From memory, I think it is something like:

    Set xlWs = xlWb.Worksheets(wrksheet)
    xlWs.Select 


Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation

Dear List:

I am dealing with an excel workbook through automation and need to change
the active worksheet using the worksheet name.  I'm creating these
worksheets on the fly taking the name from a data value in the Access app.
But can't seem to get the syntax.
 
Does anyone know this offhand?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct  9 12:27:00 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:27:00 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
In-Reply-To: <006201c80a75$ccb1b9b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <20071009033741.HYWK9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<006201c80a75$ccb1b9b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <20071009174458.YVIT18083.fep03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

The programme is working via terminal server.  My understanding is 
that all connections are using the same program (maybe with personal 
preferences stored?).

David

At 10/10/2007, you wrote:
>What about updates? If it works on some systems and not others, could be a
>update inconsistency.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
>
>I think it may be settings as some computers work
>fine - only some have this problem. Although they
>are running the program through terminal server
>so I would have thought that they should all react the same.
>
>Any thoughts what may be the problem?
>
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct  9 12:28:27 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:28:27 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
In-Reply-To: <001901c80a3a$a19952a0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <001901c80a3a$a19952a0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20071009174503.YVKA18083.fep03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Kath - Have changed the subject line back again for you :-)

Thanks for the suggestion - I will try that.

David

At 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>David - sorry for change in subject line. I deleted the prev email 
>and forgot what your original subject was.
>
>Just a thought - if autocorrect IS causing the problem, and you 
>don't want to turn off Autocorrect completely, then you could just 
>disable it for that one control, eg.
>Me.CboName.AllowAutoCorrect = False
>
>You wouldn't really want Autocorrect in it anyway, would you?
>
>hth
>Kath Pelletti
>
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 12:45:43 2007
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:45:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code -
	InstallationKey
In-Reply-To: <000a01c80a9a$c82f3f00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <BAY109-F315DA972CAA18D71686F9D9AA50@phx.gbl>
	<000a01c80a9a$c82f3f00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV13D4065F5444E4D101E3DD9AA50@phx.gbl>

Hi Jennifer,

Thanks for your answer.  I was experimenting with the installation keys are
part of the database, but could not figure out how to get the installation
key to only pop-up once during installation.

Kind of confusing.  I will try what you suggested.

Thanks,

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code -
InstallationKey

Hi Julie,

The way that I have handled restricting the number of installations is
by using a start up form that requires the user to enter a serial number
that we provide, then register the software on our website through the
software, the website kicks back an unlock code that is generated
through an algorithm that takes incorporates the serial number.  The
website only allows registration of each serial number once.  I use
registry settings to track date of install, serial number, etc.  All of
that is set during the installation.

As I have seen from the way that major software manufacturers deal with
piracy, there is no easy way to restrict the number of installs.
Microsoft themselves has spent years and a lot of money to come up with
their authentication scheme - which most high school kids can get
around.  The best we can do is make it difficult.  I do this with serial
numbers and required website registration through the software.

Also, as an aside, I stopped using Microsoft's packaging for
distribution with Access 97.  I now use SageKey scripts with Wise
Installer.  I haven't even bothered to try Microsoft's scripts since I
found SageKey.  They do a fantastic job, installing minimal extra stuff
(like the mandatory Internet Explorer install that is required to
distribute A2K runtime - Microsoft installs IE automatically and makes
it the default browser, while SageKey checks to see if any IE is already
installed, and if not, installs IE 3 I think, a very small installation,
and does not change the default browser)  www.sagekey.com  

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie Reardon
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code - Installation
Key



With the Developer Extensions, you are given a product key when you
package 
an Access application.  The product key is embedded in the Setup.ini
file.   
I want to control how many copies the user can install at their office.
I 
have included the license agreement in the installation of the software,
but 
cannot figure out how to control how many copies the user is able to 
install.

With the wizard, the product key is automatic.  I want to only allow the

user to install one copy with one product key.  Is this possible with
the 
developer extensions?

I cannot find any documentation on this.






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PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
www.pro-soft.net
NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 12:50:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:50:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation
Message-ID: <s70bdb7f.045@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

That is, if wkb is your WorkBook:

  wkb.Worksheets(<name or index of worksheet>).Activate

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 09-10-2007 19:16 >>>
Dear List:

I am dealing with an excel workbook through automation and need to change
the active worksheet using the worksheet name.  I'm creating these
worksheets on the fly taking the name from a data value in the Access app.
But can't seem to get the syntax.
 
Does anyone know this offhand?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  9 13:10:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:10:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation
In-Reply-To: <s70bdb7f.045@cactus.dk>
References: <s70bdb7f.045@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00a001c80a9f$bef4a100$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

IT WORKED! (You knew it would.)   Thank you. 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation

Hi Rocky

That is, if wkb is your WorkBook:

  wkb.Worksheets(<name or index of worksheet>).Activate

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 09-10-2007 19:16 >>>
Dear List:

I am dealing with an excel workbook through automation and need to change
the active worksheet using the worksheet name.  I'm creating these
worksheets on the fly taking the name from a data value in the Access app.
But can't seem to get the syntax.
 
Does anyone know this offhand?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 13:10:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:10:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
Message-ID: <013701c80a9f$db5c5b80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most 
often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the case, 
you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a simple 
expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my head --  
someone's going to know it -- 

control.Data(0)

or something like that.

Susan H.


> Steve
>
> The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.



From robert at webedb.com  Tue Oct  9 14:00:14 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:00:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1191949202.3778.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1191949202.3778.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710091904.l99J42q3003686@databaseadvisors.com>

So did any of you guys use Condor 3 or DataPerfect?

Tandy 1000 MS-DOS?

Tandy 4p CP/M, TRS-DOS, etc.?


At 12:00 PM 10/9/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:55:10 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70bceb2.041 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi John
>
>You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back 
>memories struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in 
>WP 5.x a lot of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
>LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
>questions but she refused...  What was I to do?




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Oct  9 14:12:37 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:12:37 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <s70bceb2.041@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot of
macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jengross at gte.net  Tue Oct  9 14:38:34 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:38:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <002d01c80aab$fe77ab40$6501a8c0@jefferson>

We use percussive maintenance quite a bit in the US as well.  I have one
computer that needs a good smack with the heel of my hand every once in
a while because the fan starts clattering and I can't stand the noise.
(I know I need to replace the fan before the whole thing overheats.)
The heel of the hand is great for eliminating many unwanted noises in
electrical equipment.

My first PC was the IBM pictured in the article.  At the time, with the
Epson dot matrix printer and a copy of Turbo Pascal, it was the largest
check I had ever written - over $3,000.  I still have the monitor - just
moved it from the garage to the attic - don't ask me why I've kept it.
It did not have a hard drive and I eventually put in a 10 meg drive and
an additional floppy drive.  There was so little RAM I can't remember
how little.  I used Turbo Pascal, VisiCalc, eventually Lotus 123, dBase
II.

I still have WordPerfect on one of my computers.  Hate that I can hardly
use it.  Love Reveal Codes.  Can never understand what the heck Word is
doing with formatting.

I've worked on Tandys in college.  I also used Vector Graphics computers
- they were the hot new thing in one lab, with Apple IIEs in the other.
A PDP-11 (I think) was in the main lab.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on
topic for this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have
had a high 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was
"sticked" to our house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we
used to go outside to the side of the house where this antenna was
installed and we used to beat it strongly, and that "beating" usually
helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6 years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter
time (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and
there is a moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a
magnificent frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from
moonlight snow on the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV,
and TV signal got worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and
so we go outside and beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and
voila' we had got very good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial
further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black & white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV
programmers from all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become
as usual here as it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I
used to make TV signal better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :) ...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot
of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with
her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Oct  9 15:00:49 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:00:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <s70bceb2.041@cactus.dk> <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF18@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I remember when the Mickey Mouse club was preempted for almost a WEEK
for the Eisenhower convention in '56. Dwight replacing Annette?! At age
5 I realized the country had its priorities backwards. I have seen
nothing since to convince me otherwise. :-)
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic
for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a
high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to
our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside
to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to
beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal
:) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there
is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow
on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside
and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got
very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers
from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual
here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV
signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct  9 17:48:17 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:48:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <002d01c80aab$fe77ab40$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29EB2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Just curious, why can you 'hardly use' Wordperfect?  Is it that you
don't get the chance to use it, or does it have a problem running in a
modern OS?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

We use percussive maintenance quite a bit in the US as well.  I have one
computer that needs a good smack with the heel of my hand every once in
a while because the fan starts clattering and I can't stand the noise.
(I know I need to replace the fan before the whole thing overheats.)
The heel of the hand is great for eliminating many unwanted noises in
electrical equipment.

My first PC was the IBM pictured in the article.  At the time, with the
Epson dot matrix printer and a copy of Turbo Pascal, it was the largest
check I had ever written - over $3,000.  I still have the monitor - just
moved it from the garage to the attic - don't ask me why I've kept it.
It did not have a hard drive and I eventually put in a 10 meg drive and
an additional floppy drive.  There was so little RAM I can't remember
how little.  I used Turbo Pascal, VisiCalc, eventually Lotus 123, dBase
II.

I still have WordPerfect on one of my computers.  Hate that I can hardly
use it.  Love Reveal Codes.  Can never understand what the heck Word is
doing with formatting.

I've worked on Tandys in college.  I also used Vector Graphics computers
- they were the hot new thing in one lab, with Apple IIEs in the other.
A PDP-11 (I think) was in the main lab.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on
topic for this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have
had a high 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was
"sticked" to our house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we
used to go outside to the side of the house where this antenna was
installed and we used to beat it strongly, and that "beating" usually
helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6 years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter
time (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and
there is a moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a
magnificent frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from
moonlight snow on the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV,
and TV signal got worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and
so we go outside and beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and
voila' we had got very good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial
further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black & white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV
programmers from all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become
as usual here as it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I
used to make TV signal better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :) ...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot
of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with
her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct  9 17:50:02 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:50:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF18@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
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LOL, so true, so true, the foreboding that the country was headed for 2
months of constant bombardment about the life and death of Anna Nicole
Smith...whose contribution to society was...erm...uh.....

I think it's time to start recruiting for the OT list, since William has
left, it's kind of slow over there!  I've actually been getting work
done...

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


I remember when the Mickey Mouse club was preempted for almost a WEEK
for the Eisenhower convention in '56. Dwight replacing Annette?! At age
5 I realized the country had its priorities backwards. I have seen
nothing since to convince me otherwise. :-)
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic
for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a
high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to
our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside
to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to
beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal
:) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there
is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow
on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside
and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got
very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers
from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual
here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV
signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  9 18:20:13 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:20:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <004501c80a8d$461e0c60$657aa8c0@M90>
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512K??  Mine had only 64K and only 56 of that was usable!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

>My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M.

LOL.  My first PC I built from a kit.  It had 512K or ram and didn't
come with anything.  I ran CPM on it, and any software of interest that
I could download off of the bulletin boards that I dialed into using a
2400 baud modem.  Stored them on a dual drive 8 inch floppy (which cost
me $750) with a whopping 1 meg storage per floppy.  I was writing
programs in Turbo Pascal at that time (~1983).

My first "PC" pc was an Epson PCXT with DOS, and I purchased Dbase III
Plus, Word Perfect and Lotus 123.  That would have been ~1986 or so.  An
XT machine with a 10 meg disk and (gasp) FIVE MEGS of ram, most of which
was just used as a RAM disk since DOS did not directly support more than
about 640K at that time.  I knew I was "famous" when I got a call from a
person in New York (I was living in San Diego at that time) who had
downloaded one of my programs off of a bulletin board somewhere and
wanted me to make some mod or another.

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when
I tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back
in the mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I
learned WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my
life trying to learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even 
> bother clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download 
> your own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=
> 10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  9 18:22:36 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:22:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
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The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column
headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the
heading row.

Charlotte Foust 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo box default value

The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most
often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the
case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a
simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my
head -- someone's going to know it -- 

control.Data(0)

or something like that.

Susan H.


> Steve
>
> The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a 
> tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by 
> most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a 
> blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 18:41:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:41:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
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That's it -- thank you Charlotte. I knew one of you guys would know it 
without looking it up. :)

Susan H.


> The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column
> headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the
> heading row.
>
>
> The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most
> often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the
> case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a
> simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my
> head -- someone's going to know it -- 
>
> control.Data(0)
>
> or something like that.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  9 19:17:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:17:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
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OMG, why did William leave.  I thought that was his home! 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

LOL, so true, so true, the foreboding that the country was headed for 2
months of constant bombardment about the life and death of Anna Nicole
Smith...whose contribution to society was...erm...uh.....

I think it's time to start recruiting for the OT list, since William has
left, it's kind of slow over there!  I've actually been getting work done...

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


I remember when the Mickey Mouse club was preempted for almost a WEEK for
the Eisenhower convention in '56. Dwight replacing Annette?! At age
5 I realized the country had its priorities backwards. I have seen nothing
since to convince me otherwise. :-) Jim Hale

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal
:) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957,
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see it...
 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  9 19:25:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:25:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
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>Mine had only 64K and only 56 of that was usable!

LOL.  The board directly supported 256 kbit ram chips.  But... if you
soldered a chip on top of the bottom chip, and bent the RAS pin up on that
top chip, you could solder just that pin down into another trace to add
another 256 Kbytes onto the board.  So of course I did that mod.  Having 512
kbytes was totally awesome at the time.  Most of the SBCs (single board
computers as they were known) were only 64K or perhaps 128K.  I had an 80186
(full 16 bit processor) running at 16 mhz, and this was ~1983.  In 1986 I
bought the Epson PCXT which used the 8088 (8 bit path to memory) running at
12 mhz.  It was actually SLOWER than the machine I built myself but it ran
DOS instead of CPM which was dying by then.  Plus it has a hard disk and
could use extended memory.

John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

512K??  Mine had only 64K and only 56 of that was usable!

Charlotte Foust 

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

>My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M.

LOL.  My first PC I built from a kit.  It had 512K or ram and didn't come
with anything.  I ran CPM on it, and any software of interest that I could
download off of the bulletin boards that I dialed into using a 2400 baud
modem.  Stored them on a dual drive 8 inch floppy (which cost me $750) with
a whopping 1 meg storage per floppy.  I was writing programs in Turbo Pascal
at that time (~1983).

My first "PC" pc was an Epson PCXT with DOS, and I purchased Dbase III Plus,
Word Perfect and Lotus 123.  That would have been ~1986 or so.  An XT
machine with a 10 meg disk and (gasp) FIVE MEGS of ram, most of which was
just used as a RAM disk since DOS did not directly support more than about
640K at that time.  I knew I was "famous" when I got a call from a person in
New York (I was living in San Diego at that time) who had downloaded one of
my programs off of a bulletin board somewhere and wanted me to make some mod
or another.

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I
tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even 
> bother clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download 
> your own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=
> 10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Tue Oct  9 19:32:39 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:32:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
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Arthur

Thanks for your suggestion.  The query works fine. It lists all the 
choices from a selection made in another combo box but starts with 
the most popular. When I use the DLookup code it doesn't do anything. 
The combo dropdown shows all the options as it should but doesn't 
show anything in the text box until a choice is made.

David

At 01:26 AM 10/10/2007, you wrote:
>Oops. I clicked "Send" too quickly. In the Dlookup you refer to the named
>query not the table. In my case  the combo box's  default  value is:
>
>=DLookUp("CompanyID","CompanyCount_Desc_qs")
>
>(The _qs is my naming convention, denoting a query select. _qu is a query
>update, _qd is a delete, etc.)
>
>A.
>
>On 10/9/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You could count the actual entries in the table (not in the lookup table)
> > and select top 1 descending: Here's an example drawn from one of my apps.
> >
> > SELECT TOP 1 LightCurtainData_tbl.CompanyID, Count([CompanyID]) AS
> > Occurrences
> > FROM LightCurtainData_tbl
> > GROUP BY CompanyID
> > Order By Count([CompanyID]) DESC
> >
> > Edit to suit, save as a named query. Use Dlookup() to obtain the value.
> > Make the default value of the combo "=Dlookup("[CompanyID]",
> > "LightCurtainData_tbl") in this case. Substitute your own values for the
> > table and columns and you're away to the races. I just whipped up a sample
> > form to test it and it works as advertised.
> >
> > hth,
> > Arthur
> >
> > On 10/9/07, David and Joanne Gould <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> > > tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> > > most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> > > blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> > > The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> > > - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.
> > >
> > > Hope this makes more sense.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> >
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From jengross at gte.net  Tue Oct  9 20:08:03 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:08:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
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All my clients use Word, so anything I want to send to them needs to be
in Word.  Neither Word nor WordPerfect has a good translator from one to
the other.  The only profession I know of that has a strong WordPerfect
following is the legal profession, but that too has dwindled.

I think there are recent versions of WordPerfect out there.  The latest
is one I have is 2000 and came with a computer I bought.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Just curious, why can you 'hardly use' Wordperfect?  Is it that you
don't get the chance to use it, or does it have a problem running in a
modern OS?

Drew

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Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

We use percussive maintenance quite a bit in the US as well.  I have one
computer that needs a good smack with the heel of my hand every once in
a while because the fan starts clattering and I can't stand the noise.
(I know I need to replace the fan before the whole thing overheats.) The
heel of the hand is great for eliminating many unwanted noises in
electrical equipment.

My first PC was the IBM pictured in the article.  At the time, with the
Epson dot matrix printer and a copy of Turbo Pascal, it was the largest
check I had ever written - over $3,000.  I still have the monitor - just
moved it from the garage to the attic - don't ask me why I've kept it.
It did not have a hard drive and I eventually put in a 10 meg drive and
an additional floppy drive.  There was so little RAM I can't remember
how little.  I used Turbo Pascal, VisiCalc, eventually Lotus 123, dBase
II.

I still have WordPerfect on one of my computers.  Hate that I can hardly
use it.  Love Reveal Codes.  Can never understand what the heck Word is
doing with formatting.

I've worked on Tandys in college.  I also used Vector Graphics computers
- they were the hot new thing in one lab, with Apple IIEs in the other.
A PDP-11 (I think) was in the main lab.

Jennifer

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Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on
topic for this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have
had a high 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was
"sticked" to our house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we
used to go outside to the side of the house where this antenna was
installed and we used to beat it strongly, and that "beating" usually
helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6 years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter
time (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and
there is a moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a
magnificent frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from
moonlight snow on the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV,
and TV signal got worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and
so we go outside and beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and
voila' we had got very good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial
further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black & white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV
programmers from all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become
as usual here as it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I
used to make TV signal better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :) ...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot
of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with
her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Tue Oct  9 20:21:45 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:21:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
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Thank you Charlotte and Susan

Sorry to take so long to reply. It just took me a long time to figure 
out where to put the code. For anyone who has been interested in the 
result of this - I put the following code in the after update event 
of the controlling combo box after requerying the target combo box.

TargetComboBox = TargetComboBox.ItemData(0)

Once again thanks for all your help with this.

David

At 09:22 AM 10/10/2007, you wrote:
>The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column
>headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the
>heading row.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:11 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo box default value
>
>The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most
>often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the
>case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a
>simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my
>head -- someone's going to know it --
>
>control.Data(0)
>
>or something like that.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
> > Steve
> >
> > The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> > tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> > most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> > blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> > The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> > - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.
>
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From krosenstiel at comcast.net  Tue Oct  9 21:47:42 2007
From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:47:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <200710100247.l9A2lU8t024318@databaseadvisors.com>

I must say that IS pretty impressive. Too bad all the windows on that nifty
carousel were boys' stuff.

I remember a crisp fall evening and I went out on the porch with my Dad. Up
and down our little cul de sac other folks were out on their porches and
driveways too. Dad pointed up and said, "There it is!"  It was Sputnik, just
little red jewel speeding by.

I am so glad I lived at the beginning of the Space era -- wish I could be
back in a couple of hundred years to see what's next. 


Regards,
 
Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957,
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot of
macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct  9 23:17:22 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:17:22 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
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Message-ID: <20071010041655.OVUJ18083.fep03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Kath - that did the trick.

David

At 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>David - sorry for change in subject line. I deleted the prev email 
>and forgot what your original subject was.
>
>Just a thought - if autocorrect IS causing the problem, and you 
>don't want to turn off Autocorrect completely, then you could just 
>disable it for that one control, eg.
>Me.CboName.AllowAutoCorrect = False
>
>You wouldn't really want Autocorrect in it anyway, would you?
>
>hth
>Kath Pelletti
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 03:09:07 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:09:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
Message-ID: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 03:27:39 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:27:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
Message-ID: <s70ca934.053@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan and Charlotte

The generic solution to bypass the "unless" is to include the value of the ColumnHeads property:

    With cboYourCombobox
      .Value = .ItemData(Abs(.ColumnHeads))
    End With

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 10-10-2007 01:41 >>>
That's it -- thank you Charlotte. I knew one of you guys would know it 
without looking it up. :)

Susan H.


> The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column
> headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the
> heading row.
>
>
> The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most
> often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the
> case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a
> simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my
> head -- someone's going to know it -- 
>
> control.Data(0)
>
> or something like that.




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 06:33:01 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:33:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <200710100247.l9A2lU8t024318@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
	<200710100247.l9A2lU8t024318@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710100433p47b8f34avf92d11642fe0980@mail.gmail.com>

Predictions:

Everyone in Africa will die of AIDS without us doing a thing. Unfortunately
the few survivors will be running email scams out of Nigeria.

Virtual reality will displace tourism. Physical reality will be solely for
the rich. The rest of us will visit other countries virtually.

Google will offer a terabyte of space for gmail + google apps, per user.

An earthquake will finally saw off California, making Las Vegas even
wealthier since it will then offer an excellent view of the Pacific ocean.

JWC will be nominated for a Nobel, but narrowly lose to Hilary Clinton (or
was it Paris Hilton -- I keep confusing them).

A.

On 10/9/07, Karen Rosenstiel <krosenstiel at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I must say that IS pretty impressive. Too bad all the windows on that
> nifty
> carousel were boys' stuff.
>
> I remember a crisp fall evening and I went out on the porch with my Dad.
> Up
> and down our little cul de sac other folks were out on their porches and
> driveways too. Dad pointed up and said, "There it is!"  It was Sputnik,
> just
> little red jewel speeding by.
>
> I am so glad I lived at the beginning of the Space era -- wish I could be
> back in a couple of hundred years to see what's next.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Karen Rosenstiel
> Seattle WA USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> Hi All,
>
> Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
> write
> next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic
> for
> this off-topic :) - pun intended :)
>
> I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
> father
> bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a high
> 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to
> our
> house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside to
> the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to beat
> it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal :)
>
> I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably a
> 6
> years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
> (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there is
> a
> moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
> frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow on
> the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
> worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside and
> beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got very
> good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further...
>
> ...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
> signal became much better...
>
> ... in a few years later we got colored TV...
>
> ...
> ...
> ...
>
> ... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own black
> &
> white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers
> from
> all around the World...
>
> ... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX technologies
> will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual here
> as
> it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV
> signal
> better...
>
> If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this site
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
>
> without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
> SilverLight
> here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx
>
> and then watch this page
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
>
> again...
>
> You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
> cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
> that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
> state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
> hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even TV-signal
> :)
> ...
>
> P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
> last
> half of a century:
>
> - world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
> 1957,
> - transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
> - one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
> here
> by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...
>
> All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
> made MS SilverLight a reality of today...
>
> Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
> developed
> to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do...
>
> And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
> becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
> it...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> Hi John
>
> You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
> struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot of
> macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
> LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
> questions but she refused...  What was I to do?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 07:00:26 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:00:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20071010102506.02411670@dgsolutions.net.au>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
	<29f585dd0710090823k2665b06i9f5e97542472e895@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0710090826u79c1c212l497bdc36f0ae9611@mail.gmail.com>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20071010102506.02411670@dgsolutions.net.au>
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Hmmm. On my machine the most popular is pre-selected when I add a new
record. Of course, it wouldn't be nor shouldn't be when editing a record. I
checked this is A2K and A2K3. I don't have A2K7.

Arthur

On 10/9/07, David and Joanne Gould <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au> wrote:
>
> Arthur
>
> Thanks for your suggestion.  The query works fine. It lists all the
> choices from a selection made in another combo box but starts with
> the most popular. When I use the DLookup code it doesn't do anything.
> The combo dropdown shows all the options as it should but doesn't
> show anything in the text box until a choice is made.
>
> David
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 07:27:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:27:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008a01c80b38$dd391940$657aa8c0@M90>

Gustav,

I did that to get a free copy of the VS2005 and gave it away as a door prize
for the meeting at my house.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct 10 07:30:32 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:30:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000c01c80b39$5a2c8e50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Gustav,

I am a Registered Partner with MS.  This doesn't cost me anything, but I do
occasionally get offers from MS that are useful - like attending Launch
events where they hand out a LOT of free software.

I have a VAGUE memory of finding out that as a registered partner with MS
that I can buy an Action Pack if I wanted to.  But since getting the
software free from the Launch events, I haven't pursued it.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 07:33:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:33:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710100433p47b8f34avf92d11642fe0980@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant><200710100247.l9A2lU8t024318@databaseadvisors.com>
	<29f585dd0710100433p47b8f34avf92d11642fe0980@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c80b39$b7c45d40$657aa8c0@M90>

>Google will offer a terabyte of space for gmail + google apps, per user.

Unfortunately it will not be enough by an order of magnitude. 

>JWC will be nominated for a Nobel

ROTFL.  JWC will instead receive an honorary doctorate degree from the
University of Advanced Computer Science (Purchased Degrees) in Nigeria
which, in order to receive the degree, he will only have to pay a $1297
paperwork processing fee, but will also have one million dollars deposited
into his account from the widow of the previous dictator if he will just....

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Predictions:

Everyone in Africa will die of AIDS without us doing a thing. Unfortunately
the few survivors will be running email scams out of Nigeria.

Virtual reality will displace tourism. Physical reality will be solely for
the rich. The rest of us will visit other countries virtually.

Google will offer a terabyte of space for gmail + google apps, per user.

An earthquake will finally saw off California, making Las Vegas even
wealthier since it will then offer an excellent view of the Pacific ocean.

JWC will be nominated for a Nobel, but narrowly lose to Hilary Clinton (or
was it Paris Hilton -- I keep confusing them).

A.

On 10/9/07, Karen Rosenstiel <krosenstiel at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I must say that IS pretty impressive. Too bad all the windows on that 
> nifty carousel were boys' stuff.
>
> I remember a crisp fall evening and I went out on the porch with my Dad.
> Up
> and down our little cul de sac other folks were out on their porches 
> and driveways too. Dad pointed up and said, "There it is!"  It was 
> Sputnik, just little red jewel speeding by.
>
> I am so glad I lived at the beginning of the Space era -- wish I could 
> be back in a couple of hundred years to see what's next.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Karen Rosenstiel
> Seattle WA USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> Hi All,
>
> Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will 
> write next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm 
> on topic for this off-topic :) - pun intended :)
>
> I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my 
> father bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have 
> had a high
> 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" 
> to our house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go 
> outside to the side of the house where this antenna was installed and 
> we used to beat it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get 
> better TV-signal :)
>
> I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm 
> probably a
> 6
> years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter 
> time (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and 
> there is a moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a 
> magnificent frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from 
> moonlight snow on the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our 
> TV, and TV signal got worsened on the most interesting event as usual 
> - and so we go outside and beat our antenna strongly using heavy 
> hammer - and voila' we had got very good TV signal and we can watch 
> our TV serial further...
>
> ...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and 
> TV signal became much better...
>
> ... in a few years later we got colored TV...
>
> ...
> ...
> ...
>
> ... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own 
> black & white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV 
> programmers from all around the World...
>
> ... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX 
> technologies will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will 
> become as usual here as it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a 
> hammer I used to make TV signal better...
>
> If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this 
> site
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
>
> without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS 
> SilverLight
> here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx
>
> and then watch this page
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
>
> again...
>
> You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken 
> Russian cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their 
> spaceships - that was funny... I do not think it was like that in 
> reality but I can't state that for sure - after all from my story 
> above you can find that a hammer was a rather universal tool here to 
> fix many things even TV-signal
> :)
> ...
>
> P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the 
> last half of a century:
>
> - world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of 
> October 1957,
> - transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell 
> Labs,
> - one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also 
> here by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...
>
> All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, 
> which made MS SilverLight a reality of today...
>
> Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting 
> developed to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do...
>
> And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is 
> is becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I 
> see it...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> Hi John
>
> You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back 
> memories struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 
> 5.x a lot of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
> LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with 
> her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Oct 10 07:35:23 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:35:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
 now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <021901c80b3a$07903880$8abea8c0@XPS>

Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 07:38:10 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:38:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <008b01c80b39$b7c45d40$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
	<200710100247.l9A2lU8t024318@databaseadvisors.com>
	<29f585dd0710100433p47b8f34avf92d11642fe0980@mail.gmail.com>
	<008b01c80b39$b7c45d40$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710100538o7b456197o4a24f4bb466c7db@mail.gmail.com>

LOL.

On 10/10/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >Google will offer a terabyte of space for gmail + google apps, per user.
>
> Unfortunately it will not be enough by an order of magnitude.
>
> >JWC will be nominated for a Nobel
>
> ROTFL.  JWC will instead receive an honorary doctorate degree from the
> University of Advanced Computer Science (Purchased Degrees) in Nigeria
> which, in order to receive the degree, he will only have to pay a $1297
> paperwork processing fee, but will also have one million dollars deposited
> into his account from the widow of the previous dictator if he will
> just....
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 07:42:19 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:42:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
Message-ID: <s70ce4d7.059@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Well, MS doesn't give that much away over here, mostly time-limited demos.

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 10-10-2007 14:30 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I am a Registered Partner with MS.  This doesn't cost me anything, but I do
occasionally get offers from MS that are useful - like attending Launch
events where they hand out a LOT of free software.

I have a VAGUE memory of finding out that as a registered partner with MS
that I can buy an Action Pack if I wanted to.  But since getting the
software free from the Launch events, I haven't pursued it.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 07:43:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:43:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>

Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely impressed
with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET 2.0 is a
programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the learning curve.  I
also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in fact my
experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in trying to do the
2.0 stuff.

I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 07:48:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:48:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ce4d7.059@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ce4d7.059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008f01c80b3b$e58df180$657aa8c0@M90>

Well, MS doesn't give that much away over here, mostly time-limited demos.

That's because they are pissed at the EU for suing them for their
monopolistic ways.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Dan

Well, MS doesn't give that much away over here, mostly time-limited demos.

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 10-10-2007 14:30 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I am a Registered Partner with MS.  This doesn't cost me anything, but I do
occasionally get offers from MS that are useful - like attending Launch
events where they hand out a LOT of free software.

I have a VAGUE memory of finding out that as a registered partner with MS
that I can buy an Action Pack if I wanted to.  But since getting the
software free from the Launch events, I haven't pursued it.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 07:50:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
Message-ID: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack 
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Oct 10 08:04:14 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:04:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003001c80b3e$1023aaf0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

I must say that it was the examples on the ColbyConsulting website that
propelled me into serious Access development in 1998 and steered me
over to Shamil's site where I learned WithEvents classes in Access in 1999.

Keep riding the wave, John & Shamil.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely impressed
> with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET 2.0 is a
> programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the learning curve. 
> I
> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in fact 
> my
> experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in trying to do the
> 2.0 stuff.
>
> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 08:17:27 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:17:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <009501c80b3f$e86e3140$8119fea9@LTVM>

What sort of questions do they ask?
Is it Access related or anything to do with MS Office?
Ta
MAx
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 08:29:21 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:29:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition	toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
Message-ID: <s70cefe6.064@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Not very likely, but study the list at the link.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 10-10-2007 15:17 >>>
What sort of questions do they ask?
Is it Access related or anything to do with MS Office?
Ta
MAx
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack 
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196 

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 09:01:35 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:01:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <009701c80b46$125efb50$657aa8c0@M90>

Well, I just renewed to avoid that hassle for another year. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 09:07:57 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:07:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <009701c80b46$125efb50$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk> <009701c80b46$125efb50$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710100707w5859b03fy263ee72cdf2e29f9@mail.gmail.com>

Me too.

GK

On 10/10/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Well, I just renewed to avoid that hassle for another year.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
> Solution Providers
>
> Hi Jim
>
> That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack
> https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196
>
> Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
> Gustav,
>
>  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
> certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
> shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
> subscription.
>
>  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
> Solution Providers
>
> Hi all
>
> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
> lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
> deal.
>
> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
> Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
> Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
> now that VS2008 is close.
>
> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
> interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
> limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
> Web Solution Providers:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>
> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>
> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>
>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
>  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>
> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
> spending some of your valuable time!
>
> /gustav
>
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 09:11:20 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:11:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <007001c80ad2$e94ee1d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F11@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

OMG, why did William leave.  I thought that was his home! 


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 09:13:33 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:13:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <004201c80ada$05bcb2a0$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F13@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ah, I see.  Just curious.  I have older programs (mostly games) that I
find play better in Virtual PC, then in a 'dos window'.

My favorite word processor was SPFPC.  It is DOS edit on steroids.  Used
to be an internal IBM only application, but in it's final versions
someone decided to release it. (my dad worked for IBM when I was growing
up)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

All my clients use Word, so anything I want to send to them needs to be
in Word.  Neither Word nor WordPerfect has a good translator from one to
the other.  The only profession I know of that has a strong WordPerfect
following is the legal profession, but that too has dwindled.

I think there are recent versions of WordPerfect out there.  The latest
is one I have is 2000 and came with a computer I bought.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Just curious, why can you 'hardly use' Wordperfect?  Is it that you
don't get the chance to use it, or does it have a problem running in a
modern OS?

Drew


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 09:17:45 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:17:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F11@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00ae01c80b48$550c27f0$8119fea9@LTVM>

If you are talking about William Hindman, he posted last month (or possibly
the month before)

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

OMG, why did William leave.  I thought that was his home! 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 10 09:22:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:22:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

My company just qualified as a full Microsoft Partner, so I imagine
we'll get those goodies anyhow.  It was kind of funny, because we
suddenly got a shipment of boxes of various sizes, so it looked like we
were getting a bunch of goodies.  When opened, the packages included a
Microsoft Partner banner (we haven't figured out what to do with that
item), a couple of fancy stand up plaques proclaiming us 2007 partners,
and logos, stickers, etc.  One of our developers wondered if they issued
badges as well, like law enforcement.  You show up at a client and flash
you MP (Microsoft Partner) badge and they stop doing stupid stuff with
your application!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus"
as the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status
will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that
anyway). No big deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is
bad now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be
of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt
the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition
toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay
by spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 10 09:23:39 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:23:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <s70ca934.053@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca934.053@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F2@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

True, and I've used that myself, but it is kind of overkill if the
developer is building one-off code.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo box default value

Hi Susan and Charlotte

The generic solution to bypass the "unless" is to include the value of
the ColumnHeads property:

    With cboYourCombobox
      .Value = .ItemData(Abs(.ColumnHeads))
    End With

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 10-10-2007 01:41 >>>
That's it -- thank you Charlotte. I knew one of you guys would know it
without looking it up. :)

Susan H.


> The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column 
> headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the 
> heading row.
>
>
> The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the 
> most often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's

> the case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- 
> there's a simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the 
> top of my head -- someone's going to know it --
>
> control.Data(0)
>
> or something like that.


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 09:38:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:38:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
Message-ID: <s70cfffc.065@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

I see your point and I myself very seldom use column heads.

A side note: If replacing 0 with Abs(.ColumnHeads) is overkill what is the wording for inserting one code line? Massive overkill!?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10-10-2007 16:23 >>>
True, and I've used that myself, but it is kind of overkill if the
developer is building one-off code.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo box default value

Hi Susan and Charlotte

The generic solution to bypass the "unless" is to include the value of
the ColumnHeads property:

    With cboYourCombobox
      .Value = .ItemData(Abs(.ColumnHeads))
    End With

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 10-10-2007 01:41 >>>
That's it -- thank you Charlotte. I knew one of you guys would know it
without looking it up. :)

Susan H.


> The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column 
> headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the 
> heading row.
>
>
> The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the 
> most often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's

> the case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- 
> there's a simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the 
> top of my head -- someone's going to know it --
>
> control.Data(0)
>
> or something like that.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 09:42:48 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:42:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.  I need one of those badges. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

My company just qualified as a full Microsoft Partner, so I imagine we'll
get those goodies anyhow.  It was kind of funny, because we suddenly got a
shipment of boxes of various sizes, so it looked like we were getting a
bunch of goodies.  When opened, the packages included a Microsoft Partner
banner (we haven't figured out what to do with that item), a couple of fancy
stand up plaques proclaiming us 2007 partners, and logos, stickers, etc.
One of our developers wondered if they issued badges as well, like law
enforcement.  You show up at a client and flash you MP (Microsoft Partner)
badge and they stop doing stupid stuff with your application!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus"
as the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will
be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 09:46:10 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:46:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c80b48$550c27f0$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F1B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Here....not on OT.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

If you are talking about William Hindman, he posted last month (or
possibly
the month before)

Max 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

OMG, why did William leave.  I thought that was his home! 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 09:47:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:47:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00c501c80b4d$abaf0320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Charlotte, were you involved in the process of acquiring partnership? I'd 
like to hear what the process is like and in the end, just what does that 
badge of honor net for you and your company besides some free gifts?

Susan H.

> My company just qualified as a full Microsoft Partner, so I imagine we'll
> get those goodies anyhow.  It was kind of funny, because we suddenly got a
> shipment of boxes of various sizes, so it looked like we were getting a
> bunch of goodies.  When opened, the packages included a Microsoft Partner
> banner (we haven't figured out what to do with that item), a couple of 
> fancy
> stand up plaques proclaiming us 2007 partners, and logos, stickers, etc.
> One of our developers wondered if they issued badges as well, like law
> enforcement.  You show up at a client and flash you MP (Microsoft Partner)
> badge and they stop doing stupid stuff with your application!  LOL



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 10 10:05:45 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:05:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <00c501c80b4d$abaf0320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90>
	<00c501c80b4d$abaf0320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

We had to produce a commercial product using Microsoft software and have
it examined and passed by a company (which turned out to be in China,
BTW) contracting with Microsoft.  I believe one of our developers had to
be certified, but I think he already was, so that wasn't an issue.
Hmmn, of course there are those who say that ALL developers are
certifiable .... LOL

There's a time limit on meeting the requirements, but I don't recall
what it was, a year or two.  I was involved only as a developer helping
create the application.  We can now market ourselves as a Microsoft
Partner, put their logo on our website and materials, ... and I have
managed to forget any other benes.  We get all the Microsoft software
for our company's use, operating systems, server products, Office, the
works.

Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers

Charlotte, were you involved in the process of acquiring partnership?
I'd like to hear what the process is like and in the end, just what does
that badge of honor net for you and your company besides some free
gifts?

Susan H.

> My company just qualified as a full Microsoft Partner, so I imagine 
> we'll get those goodies anyhow.  It was kind of funny, because we 
> suddenly got a shipment of boxes of various sizes, so it looked like 
> we were getting a bunch of goodies.  When opened, the packages 
> included a Microsoft Partner banner (we haven't figured out what to do

> with that item), a couple of fancy stand up plaques proclaiming us 
> 2007 partners, and logos, stickers, etc.
> One of our developers wondered if they issued badges as well, like law

> enforcement.  You show up at a client and flash you MP (Microsoft 
> Partner) badge and they stop doing stupid stuff with your application!

> LOL

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 10:19:35 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:19:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F1B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <00ae01c80b48$550c27f0$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F1B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710100819w13d29472kd9e8ae5cd033159e@mail.gmail.com>

Actually I see posts from him to OT in March of this year. I think he
got busy with work and with hurricane preperation.

Half a year.

GK

On 10/10/07, Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Here....not on OT.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> If you are talking about William Hindman, he posted last month (or
> possibly
> the month before)
>
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.
>
> Drew
>

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 10:23:28 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:23:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950710100819w13d29472kd9e8ae5cd033159e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F36@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Your right, I wonder if his ear are tingling.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Actually I see posts from him to OT in March of this year. I think he
got busy with work and with hurricane preperation.

Half a year.

GK

On 10/10/07, Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Here....not on OT.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> If you are talking about William Hindman, he posted last month (or
> possibly
> the month before)
>
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.
>
> Drew
>

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 10:24:56 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:24:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <s70d0b05.066@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Never heard of SPFPC, only pfs:Write and a more pro app (PC4 or Write 4??). But it reminds me of Borland Sprint. Anyone remembers that? Probably the last DOS word processor with the unique feature that it recorded each and every keystroke you made. Thus, while typing or editing, you could pull the plug. Then, when you had rebooted and launched Sprint a black screen appeared with the text like this (cannot recall the exact wording):

  Work in progress
  Resuming ..

and in half a minute or so you were back where you left!
Also, the macro language was much better; I remember one describing Sprint as "one big macro".

It arrived too late. I moved on to Am? Pro from Samna, a true Windows application later bought by Lotus and now renamed Lotus WordPro. Still the best word processor around.

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 10-10-2007 16:13 >>>
Ah, I see.  Just curious.  I have older programs (mostly games) that I
find play better in Virtual PC, then in a 'dos window'.

My favorite word processor was SPFPC.  It is DOS edit on steroids.  Used
to be an internal IBM only application, but in it's final versions
someone decided to release it. (my dad worked for IBM when I was growing
up)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

All my clients use Word, so anything I want to send to them needs to be
in Word.  Neither Word nor WordPerfect has a good translator from one to
the other.  The only profession I know of that has a strong WordPerfect
following is the legal profession, but that too has dwindled.

I think there are recent versions of WordPerfect out there.  The latest
is one I have is 2000 and came with a computer I bought.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Just curious, why can you 'hardly use' Wordperfect?  Is it that you
don't get the chance to use it, or does it have a problem running in a
modern OS?

Drew




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 10:43:44 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:43:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <s70d0b05.066@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F44@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Here's a link to the commercial one that was released to the public:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPFPC

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi Drew

Never heard of SPFPC, only pfs:Write and a more pro app (PC4 or Write 4??). But it reminds me of Borland Sprint. Anyone remembers that? Probably the last DOS word processor with the unique feature that it recorded each and every keystroke you made. Thus, while typing or editing, you could pull the plug. Then, when you had rebooted and launched Sprint a black screen appeared with the text like this (cannot recall the exact wording):

  Work in progress
  Resuming ..

and in half a minute or so you were back where you left!
Also, the macro language was much better; I remember one describing Sprint as "one big macro".

It arrived too late. I moved on to Am? Pro from Samna, a true Windows application later bought by Lotus and now renamed Lotus WordPro. Still the best word processor around.

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 10:54:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:54:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <s70d11d2.069@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Thanks. But it seems more like an editor than a word processor, so I guess mostly programmers know about it.

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 10-10-2007 17:43 >>>
Here's a link to the commercial one that was released to the public:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPFPC 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi Drew

Never heard of SPFPC, only pfs:Write and a more pro app (PC4 or Write 4??). But it reminds me of Borland Sprint. Anyone remembers that? Probably the last DOS word processor with the unique feature that it recorded each and every keystroke you made. Thus, while typing or editing, you could pull the plug. Then, when you had rebooted and launched Sprint a black screen appeared with the text like this (cannot recall the exact wording):

  Work in progress
  Resuming ..

and in half a minute or so you were back where you left!
Also, the macro language was much better; I remember one describing Sprint as "one big macro".

It arrived too late. I moved on to Am? Pro from Samna, a true Windows application later bought by Lotus and now renamed Lotus WordPro. Still the best word processor around.

/gustav





From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 11:01:57 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:01:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <s70d11d2.069@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F54@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ya, it was more of an editor, but it had some word processing features too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi Drew

Thanks. But it seems more like an editor than a word processor, so I guess mostly programmers know about it.

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 10-10-2007 17:43 >>>
Here's a link to the commercial one that was released to the public:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPFPC 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi Drew

Never heard of SPFPC, only pfs:Write and a more pro app (PC4 or Write 4??). But it reminds me of Borland Sprint. Anyone remembers that? Probably the last DOS word processor with the unique feature that it recorded each and every keystroke you made. Thus, while typing or editing, you could pull the plug. Then, when you had rebooted and launched Sprint a black screen appeared with the text like this (cannot recall the exact wording):

  Work in progress
  Resuming ..

and in half a minute or so you were back where you left!
Also, the macro language was much better; I remember one describing Sprint as "one big macro".

It arrived too late. I moved on to Am? Pro from Samna, a true Windows application later bought by Lotus and now renamed Lotus WordPro. Still the best word processor around.

/gustav



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 10 11:24:05 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:24:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <200710091904.l99J42q3003686@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1191949202.3778.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710091904.l99J42q3003686@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001301c80b59$fa2ff160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

TRS-DOS (raising hand).  Wrote some lead tracking software for my wife who
started a business doing lead fulfillment for local companies.   Great days.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

So did any of you guys use Condor 3 or DataPerfect?

Tandy 1000 MS-DOS?

Tandy 4p CP/M, TRS-DOS, etc.?


At 12:00 PM 10/9/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:55:10 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70bceb2.041 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi John
>
>You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories 
>struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot 
>of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
>LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with 
>her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 12:52:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:52:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90><00c501c80b4d$abaf0320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005401c80b66$6aca9450$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> We had to produce a commercial product using Microsoft software and have
> it examined and passed by a company (which turned out to be in China,
> BTW) contracting with Microsoft.  I believe one of our developers had to
> be certified, but I think he already was, so that wasn't an issue.

=========Did MS assign the company or do you guys just pick one -- I know 
that getting products certified is a cottage industry -- perhaps partnership 
is too or is considered part of the same process?
>
> There's a time limit on meeting the requirements, but I don't recall
> what it was, a year or two.  I was involved only as a developer helping
> create the application.  We can now market ourselves as a Microsoft
> Partner, put their logo on our website and materials, ... and I have
> managed to forget any other benes.  We get all the Microsoft software
> for our company's use, operating systems, server products, Office, the
> works.

=========A client is researching this process, so I'd be glad to learn more 
about it.

Susan H. 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 10 12:57:01 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:57:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <005401c80b66$6aca9450$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90><00c501c80b4d$abaf0320$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005401c80b66$6aca9450$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038FD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Nope, we had no idea who was certifying it.  It was only when Microsoft
told us we'd passed that we found out who had examined it.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers


> We had to produce a commercial product using Microsoft software and 
> have it examined and passed by a company (which turned out to be in 
> China,
> BTW) contracting with Microsoft.  I believe one of our developers had 
> to be certified, but I think he already was, so that wasn't an issue.

=========Did MS assign the company or do you guys just pick one -- I
know that getting products certified is a cottage industry -- perhaps
partnership is too or is considered part of the same process?
>
> There's a time limit on meeting the requirements, but I don't recall 
> what it was, a year or two.  I was involved only as a developer 
> helping create the application.  We can now market ourselves as a 
> Microsoft Partner, put their logo on our website and materials, ... 
> and I have managed to forget any other benes.  We get all the 
> Microsoft software for our company's use, operating systems, server 
> products, Office, the works.

=========A client is researching this process, so I'd be glad to learn
more about it.

Susan H. 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 11 04:08:36 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:08:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers (update)
Message-ID: <s70e044a.078@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It appears that taking a course to obtain the Web Solution toolkit also fulfills the requirement for the Action Pack:

https://partner.microsoft.com/40047166

Note: If you successfully complete one of the 
Web Solutions assessments, you'll also meet the 
assessment requirement to receive the full Action Pack Subscription.

Now, the intro course listed here:

https://training.partner.microsoft.com/plc/search_adv.aspx?ssid=13188e70-a871-4e14-83c6-24ebf503360b

  Microsoft Expression Quick Start: Creating a Standards-Based Website

https://training.partner.microsoft.com/plc/details.aspx?systemid=1715370&page=/plc/search_adv.aspx

is quite easy. Should you miss the 70% score, go to My Training, cancel the course and take it again.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 10-10-2007 14:50 >>>
Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack 
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196 

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Oct 11 21:08:55 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:08:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access to 
.Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)

...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few 
...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely impressed
> with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET 2.0 is a
> programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the learning curve. 
> I
> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in fact 
> my
> experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in trying to do the
> 2.0 stuff.
>
> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
> Solution Providers
>
> Hi all
>
> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" 
> as
> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will 
> be
> lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
> deal.
>
> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
> Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
> Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
> now that VS2008 is close.
>
> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be 
> of
> interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
> limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
> Web Solution Providers:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>
> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>
> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>
>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
>  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>
> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay 
> by
> spending some of your valuable time!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 11 22:18:58 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:18:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
	<003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90>

Well William, good to hear from you.  There are a few of us hanging out on
the AccessD VB group. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access to
.Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)

...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few
...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers


> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely 
> impressed with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET 
> 2.0 is a programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the learning
curve.
> I
> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in 
> fact my experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in 
> trying to do the 2.0 stuff.
>
> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web Solution Providers
>
> Hi all
>
> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" 
> as
> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status 
> will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that 
> anyway). No big deal.
>
> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with 
> the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered 
> Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS 
> which is bad now that VS2008 is close.
>
> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could 
> be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have 
> felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition 
> toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>
> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>
> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>
>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the  
> associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>
> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to 
> pay by spending some of your valuable time!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 00:15:37 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:15:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
	<008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> Well William, good to hear from you.  There are a few of us hanging out on
> the AccessD VB group.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
> ...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access to
> .Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)
>
> ...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few
> ...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
>
>> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely
>> impressed with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET
>> 2.0 is a programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the 
>> learning
> curve.
>> I
>> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in
>> fact my experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in
>> trying to do the 2.0 stuff.
>>
>> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
>> Brock
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
>> Web Solution Providers
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus"
>> as
>> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status
>> will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that
>> anyway). No big deal.
>>
>> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with
>> the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered
>> Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS
>> which is bad now that VS2008 is close.
>>
>> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could
>> be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have
>> felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition
>> toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:
>>
>> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>>
>> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
>> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>>
>> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>>
>>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
>> associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>>
>> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to
>> pay by spending some of your valuable time!
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 




From darren at activebilling.com.au  Fri Oct 12 01:06:09 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:06:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ADProject: Getting Database Name
Message-ID: <200710120606.l9C664rG004981@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

Cross posted to AccessD and dba_SQL Server

 

I want to get the Server name (Data Source) from code - I can get the dB name

 

Now I want just the server name as well - Not all the other stuff that comes
with the .Connection property

 

Can anyone assist?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Darren



From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 01:44:32 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:44:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
	<003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710112344n7627a0f9gb8cac6c113c2496@mail.gmail.com>

...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
>
> > Well William, good to hear from you.  There are a few of us hanging out
> on
> > the AccessD VB group.
> >
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:09 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> > Web
> > Solution Providers
> >
> > ...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access
> to
> > .Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)
> >
> > ...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few
> > ...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> > Web
> > Solution Providers
> >
> >
> >> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely
> >> impressed with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET
> >> 2.0 is a programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the
> >> learning
> > curve.
> >> I
> >> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in
> >> fact my experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in
> >> trying to do the 2.0 stuff.
> >>
> >> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
> >>
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
> >> Brock
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
> >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> >> Web Solution Providers
> >>
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam
> circus"
> >> as
> >> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status
> >> will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that
> >> anyway). No big deal.
> >>
> >> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with
> >> the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered
> >> Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS
> >> which is bad now that VS2008 is close.
> >>
> >> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could
> >> be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have
> >> felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition
> >> toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:
> >>
> >> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
> >>
> >> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression
> Studio.
> >> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
> >>
> >> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
> >>
> >>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
> >> associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
> >>
> >> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to
> >> pay by spending some of your valuable time!
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 12 05:23:32 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:23:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers
Message-ID: <s70f675f.003@cactus.dk>

Hi Anita

Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?

/gustav

>>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 12 05:27:48 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:27:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADProject: Getting Database Name
Message-ID: <s70f6850.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

Would it be something like this:

strConnect = "DATABASE=something;SERVER=192.168.1.100;PASSWORD=;PORT=3306;OPTION=3;STMT=;"
strKey = "SERVER="
strSearch = Mid(strConnect, InStr(1, strConnect, strKey, vbTextCompare) + Len(strKey))
strServer = Mid(strSearch, 1, InStr(1, strSearch, ";") - 1)

/gustav

>>> darren at activebilling.com.au 12-10-2007 08:06 >>>
Hi All

 

Cross posted to AccessD and dba_SQL Server

 

I want to get the Server name (Data Source) from code - I can get the dB name

 

Now I want just the server name as well - Not all the other stuff that comes
with the .Connection property

 

Can anyone assist?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Darren




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 06:57:14 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:57:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
	<003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710120457x269ebf26udf564c75b91b14ed@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:

> ...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few
> ...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)

Glutton for punishment? :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 12 07:06:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:06:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90>

I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there.  Please
at least be there to help us achieve critical mass. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers


> Well William, good to hear from you.  There are a few of us hanging 
> out on the AccessD VB group.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Hindman
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit 
> for Web Solution Providers
>
> ...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access 
> to .Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)
>
> ...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a 
> few ...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit 
> for Web Solution Providers
>
>
>> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely
>> impressed with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET
>> 2.0 is a programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the 
>> learning
> curve.
>> I
>> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in
>> fact my experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in
>> trying to do the 2.0 stuff.
>>
>> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
>> Brock
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
>> Web Solution Providers
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus"
>> as
>> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status
>> will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that
>> anyway). No big deal.
>>
>> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with
>> the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered
>> Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS
>> which is bad now that VS2008 is close.
>>
>> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could
>> be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have
>> felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition
>> toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:
>>
>> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>>
>> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
>> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>>
>> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>>
>>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
>> associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>>
>> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to
>> pay by spending some of your valuable time!
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 12 07:07:18 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:07:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70f675f.003@cactus.dk>
References: <s70f675f.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002201c80cc8$6fce1b30$657aa8c0@M90>

I would love to have that happen. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Anita

Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?

/gustav

>>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 08:04:00 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:04:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, I'll bite -- can you guys hold my hand through the process. I really 
do NOT want to learn another new technology, but at this point, can't hurt 
anything to try. I mean, I'm so dense on the subject that I don't know where 
to start. I do believe that I have .net because I have SQL Server 2005 
Express and it required .net, but beyond that -- no clue what to do with it.

Susan H.


>I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there. 
>Please
> at least be there to help us achieve critical mass.



From pharold at proftesting.com  Fri Oct 12 08:06:30 2007
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:06:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers
References: <s70f675f.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B02DFEF@exchange.ptiorl.local>

Everyone hasn't switched to dot net. 


Perry Harold
Professional Testing Inc


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers

Hi Anita

Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?

/gustav

>>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 12 08:22:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:22:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <003401c80cd2$f7cea680$657aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  I hear you Susan.  As for "I must have...", nope, not true.  SQL
Server 2005 uses the .net framework but the programming language and
environment layers are not embedded in SQL Server.

You can get VB.Net Express for free from a download on MS site.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa718406.aspx

That is a programming environment that mimics Visual Studio.Net.  In fact is
it so close in look and feel that it may be a subset.  There are some subtle
programming differences that prevent VB.Net Express programs from being
easily portable to the full on version, but the express version will allow
you to get your feet wet for free, and in fact it allows you to write full
on VB.Net programs for free.  Highly recommended for the people who do not
intend to develop industrial grade applications in .Net but would like to
see / learn the VB.Net syntax and even write programs in it.  It is simpler
than the Visual Studio environment but will still be a learning curve.

OTOH it has been easy for developers to get free STANDARD versions of Visual
Studio.Net.  I got one by attending a product event back when SQL Server
2005 was being introduced.  I also got one for watching a pair of videos on
the MS site.  I think the same kind of thing is happening now for the VS2008
version and I will be doing that when I discover how.

Move your questions over to the VB list and you can get a lot of help there.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Well, I'll bite -- can you guys hold my hand through the process. I really
do NOT want to learn another new technology, but at this point, can't hurt
anything to try. I mean, I'm so dense on the subject that I don't know where
to start. I do believe that I have .net because I have SQL Server 2005
Express and it required .net, but beyond that -- no clue what to do with it.

Susan H.


>I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there. 
>Please
> at least be there to help us achieve critical mass.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 12 08:22:07 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:22:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers
Message-ID: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Perry

You mean (it's Friday):
Everyone hasn't switched to dot yet?

I didn't mean to exclude someone. But traffic on that list is really low, and I'm sure there would still be room for VB6 postings.

/gustav

>>> pharold at proftesting.com 12-10-2007 15:06 >>>
Everyone hasn't switched to dot net. 


Perry Harold
Professional Testing Inc


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers

Hi Anita

Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?

/gustav

>>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 08:31:37 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:31:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90><005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<003401c80cd2$f7cea680$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <008f01c80cd4$43cfc8b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>




> LOL.  I hear you Susan.  As for "I must have...", nope, not true.  SQL
> Server 2005 uses the .net framework but the programming language and
> environment layers are not embedded in SQL Server.

========So Express will run without it? It wouldn't with the beta and that 
I'm sure of -- ask me how I know. :)
>
> You can get VB.Net Express for free from a download on MS site.
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa718406.aspx
>
> That is a programming environment that mimics Visual Studio.Net.  In fact 
> is
> it so close in look and feel that it may be a subset.  There are some 
> subtle
> programming differences that prevent VB.Net Express programs from being
> easily portable to the full on version, but the express version will allow
> you to get your feet wet for free, and in fact it allows you to write full
> on VB.Net programs for free.  Highly recommended for the people who do not
> intend to develop industrial grade applications in .Net but would like to
> see / learn the VB.Net syntax and even write programs in it.  It is 
> simpler
> than the Visual Studio environment but will still be a learning curve.

=========Sounds like a good place to start, thanks. I'll download it this 
morning and join the VB list -- can't promise I'll actually do anything. ;) 
I do have VB Express, in fact, I think I may have the entire Express studio, 
but I can't recall. I'd have to get in the <dread, despair, deep fear> 
closet...

>
> OTOH it has been easy for developers to get free STANDARD versions of 
> Visual
> Studio.Net.  I got one by attending a product event back when SQL Server
> 2005 was being introduced.  I also got one for watching a pair of videos 
> on
> the MS site.  I think the same kind of thing is happening now for the 
> VS2008
> version and I will be doing that when I discover how.

==========Well, that's good. If someone runs into one of these free offers, 
please post a link for the rest of us, just in case.
>
> Move your questions over to the VB list and you can get a lot of help 
> there.

==========I will. Thanks.

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 08:33:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90><005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<003401c80cd2$f7cea680$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009401c80cd4$9e5611e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OK, here's a question -- are VB Express and VB.NET express the same thing?

Susan H.


> LOL.  I hear you Susan.  As for "I must have...", nope, not true.  SQL
> Server 2005 uses the .net framework but the programming language and
> environment layers are not embedded in SQL Server.
>
> You can get VB.Net Express for free from a download on MS site.
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa718406.aspx
>
> That is a programming environment that mimics Visual Studio.Net.  In fact 
> is
> it so close in look and feel that it may be a subset.  There are some 
> subtle
> programming differences that prevent VB.Net Express programs from being
> easily portable to the full on version, but the express version will allow
> you to get your feet wet for free, and in fact it allows you to write full
> on VB.Net programs for free.  Highly recommended for the people who do not
> intend to develop industrial grade applications in .Net but would like to
> see / learn the VB.Net syntax and even write programs in it.  It is 
> simpler
> than the Visual Studio environment but will still be a learning curve.
>
> OTOH it has been easy for developers to get free STANDARD versions of 
> Visual
> Studio.Net.  I got one by attending a product event back when SQL Server
> 2005 was being introduced.  I also got one for watching a pair of videos 
> on
> the MS site.  I think the same kind of thing is happening now for the 
> VS2008
> version and I will be doing that when I discover how.
>
> Move your questions over to the VB list and you can get a lot of help 
> there.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
> Well, I'll bite -- can you guys hold my hand through the process. I really
> do NOT want to learn another new technology, but at this point, can't hurt
> anything to try. I mean, I'm so dense on the subject that I don't know 
> where
> to start. I do believe that I have .net because I have SQL Server 2005
> Express and it required .net, but beyond that -- no clue what to do with 
> it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>>I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there.
>>Please
>> at least be there to help us achieve critical mass.
>
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 08:39:20 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:39:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>
References: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710120639r585b1f9exa927ecb8ad354af@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> I didn't mean to exclude someone. But traffic on that list is really low, and I'm sure there would still be room for VB6 postings.

No worries folks. Nothing is changing at the moment.

John (our illustrious president) and I are discussing this suggestion.
Well I sent him an e-mail a short while ago and waiting for him to
come online :)

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 09:38:43 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:38:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <009401c80cd4$9e5611e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90><005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003401c80cd2$f7cea680$657aa8c0@M90>
	<009401c80cd4$9e5611e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70392B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

VB.Net is VB7, so I'd say the answer is yes.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers

OK, here's a question -- are VB Express and VB.NET express the same
thing?

Susan H.


> LOL.  I hear you Susan.  As for "I must have...", nope, not true.  SQL

> Server 2005 uses the .net framework but the programming language and 
> environment layers are not embedded in SQL Server.
>
> You can get VB.Net Express for free from a download on MS site.
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa718406.aspx
>
> That is a programming environment that mimics Visual Studio.Net.  In 
> fact is it so close in look and feel that it may be a subset.  There 
> are some subtle programming differences that prevent VB.Net Express 
> programs from being easily portable to the full on version, but the 
> express version will allow you to get your feet wet for free, and in 
> fact it allows you to write full on VB.Net programs for free.  Highly 
> recommended for the people who do not intend to develop industrial 
> grade applications in .Net but would like to see / learn the VB.Net 
> syntax and even write programs in it.  It is simpler than the Visual 
> Studio environment but will still be a learning curve.
>
> OTOH it has been easy for developers to get free STANDARD versions of 
> Visual Studio.Net.  I got one by attending a product event back when 
> SQL Server
> 2005 was being introduced.  I also got one for watching a pair of 
> videos on the MS site.  I think the same kind of thing is happening 
> now for the
> VS2008
> version and I will be doing that when I discover how.
>
> Move your questions over to the VB list and you can get a lot of help 
> there.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit 
> for Web Solution Providers
>
> Well, I'll bite -- can you guys hold my hand through the process. I 
> really do NOT want to learn another new technology, but at this point,

> can't hurt anything to try. I mean, I'm so dense on the subject that I

> don't know where to start. I do believe that I have .net because I 
> have SQL Server 2005 Express and it required .net, but beyond that -- 
> no clue what to do with it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>>I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there.
>>Please
>> at least be there to help us achieve critical mass.
>
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 12 10:12:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:12:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
Message-ID: <000f01c80ce2$5c4d6f60$657aa8c0@M90>

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 12 10:51:38 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
In-Reply-To: <000f01c80ce2$5c4d6f60$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1CF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Actually, if you have admin access to a server, you can boot everyone
out of a database with Computer management.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot
the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows
what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct 12 11:12:51 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:12:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1CF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <000f01c80ce2$5c4d6f60$657aa8c0@M90>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1CF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Drew,

 That only works for net processes (assuming your talking about Shares/open
files) and even then, might not always clear things up.

Jim. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Actually, if you have admin access to a server, you can boot everyone
out of a database with Computer management.

Drew

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Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot
the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows
what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 12 11:53:24 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:53:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
In-Reply-To: <000901c80cea$bd9cf580$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

No, it should work for a locally used file too.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Drew,

 That only works for net processes (assuming your talking about
Shares/open
files) and even then, might not always clear things up.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Actually, if you have admin access to a server, you can boot everyone
out of a database with Computer management.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot
the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows
what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 15:24:03 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:24:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dear DBA....
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710121324w6f42b29apa31efbe6485c37fb@mail.gmail.com>

Friday Humour

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/jeffs/archive/2007/03/28/60145.aspx

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preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From robert at webedb.com  Fri Oct 12 14:04:55 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:04:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>

Most of the people that I have seen on the other list
are from other countries (i.e. India). Most have not
even read the on-line manual and ask some of the least
bright questions I have ever seen. I would have for
the dba list to go to that.

I did not know there was another one. So, now, I will
join it also. Most of the work I am doing is SQL Server.
But I am still teaching DotNet once a month at a local
user group.


At 12:00 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:23:32 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,     now with special edition toolkit
>         for Web Solution Providers
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70f675f.003 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi Anita
>
>Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
>...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.
>
>Anita
>
>
>On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
> >
> > William




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 15:55:46 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:55:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dear DBA....
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710121324w6f42b29apa31efbe6485c37fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c920710121324w6f42b29apa31efbe6485c37fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703946@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

ROTFL

I just got notified that we're making some table changes that will
require me to totally rebuild a number of forms/subforms and all the
interaction involved.  Perfect timing!

Charlotte Foust

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Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Dear DBA....

Friday Humour

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/jeffs/archive/2007/03/28/60145.aspx

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 15:56:49 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:56:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb
In-Reply-To: <200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703947@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I haven't seen any activity at all there lately except from us dotNet
types.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb

Most of the people that I have seen on the other list are from other
countries (i.e. India). Most have not even read the on-line manual and
ask some of the least bright questions I have ever seen. I would have
for the dba list to go to that.

I did not know there was another one. So, now, I will join it also. Most
of the work I am doing is SQL Server.
But I am still teaching DotNet once a month at a local user group.


At 12:00 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:23:32 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,     now with special edition
toolkit
>         for Web Solution Providers
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70f675f.003 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi Anita
>
>Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
>...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.
>
>Anita
>
>
>On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
> >
> > William


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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Fri Oct 12 16:15:41 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:15:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703947@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703947@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000501c80d15$0b62d580$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

Ummmmmm...silly question, I'm sure...but, since not all of us are into
Access exclusively, although it remains close to our hearts...couldn't we
rename THIS list to simply "Database Advisors" or something and include the
new technologies as they come up? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb

I haven't seen any activity at all there lately except from us dotNet types.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb

Most of the people that I have seen on the other list are from other
countries (i.e. India). Most have not even read the on-line manual and ask
some of the least bright questions I have ever seen. I would have for the
dba list to go to that.

I did not know there was another one. So, now, I will join it also. Most of
the work I am doing is SQL Server.
But I am still teaching DotNet once a month at a local user group.


At 12:00 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:23:32 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,     now with special edition
toolkit
>         for Web Solution Providers
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70f675f.003 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi Anita
>
>Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
>...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.
>
>Anita
>
>
>On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
> >
> > William


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 16:39:52 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:39:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb
In-Reply-To: <000501c80d15$0b62d580$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
References: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703947@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<000501c80d15$0b62d580$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710121439q78f3b0e6kfa685482041cef46@mail.gmail.com>

Absitively and posolutely not. (c.f. eecummings) Hey, it's Friday.

On 10/12/07, Dian <nd500_lo at charter.net> wrote:
>
> Ummmmmm...silly question, I'm sure...but, since not all of us are into
> Access exclusively, although it remains close to our hearts...couldn't we
> rename THIS list to simply "Database Advisors" or something and include
> the
> new technologies as they come up?
>


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 20:08:58 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:08:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
References: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>
	<e04a6c920710120639r585b1f9exa927ecb8ad354af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002501c80d35$a2d5af80$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C# 
rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C# 
really is, especially with the growing number of code translators available 
...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)

William

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> On 10/12/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
>> I didn't mean to exclude someone. But traffic on that list is really low, 
>> and I'm sure there would still be room for VB6 postings.
>
> No worries folks. Nothing is changing at the moment.
>
> John (our illustrious president) and I are discussing this suggestion.
> Well I sent him an e-mail a short while ago and waiting for him to
> come online :)
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 20:17:58 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:17:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <002501c80d35$a2d5af80$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>
	<e04a6c920710120639r585b1f9exa927ecb8ad354af@mail.gmail.com>
	<002501c80d35$a2d5af80$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710121817k4f645a8bqd2eb001b84abc849@mail.gmail.com>

There's a purely monetary reason for going that way, too. According to my
admittedly loose stats, you make about +$15 an hour by claiming C# vs.
VB.NET. I agree with you, William, C# is a piece of cake given even a
modicum of VB.NET. But there seems to be a monetary advantage as well. And
to be fair, there are a couple of things you can do in C# that you can't in
VB.NET.

As to the name change, I'm seriously in favour. Who programs in VB6 any
more? Somebody, somewhere, no doubt. But to preserve the name for him?

A.

On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C#
> rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C#
> really is, especially with the growing number of code translators
> available
> ...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)
>
> William
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct 12 20:41:16 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:41:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <000901c80cea$bd9cf580$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00cc01c80d3a$25d2dee0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Drew, 

  Only if it's accessed through a share.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

No, it should work for a locally used file too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Drew,

 That only works for net processes (assuming your talking about
Shares/open
files) and even then, might not always clear things up.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Actually, if you have admin access to a server, you can boot everyone
out of a database with Computer management.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot
the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows
what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Oct 13 03:13:17 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:13:17 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710121817k4f645a8bqd2eb001b84abc849@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c80d70$e8e921b0$6401a8c0@nant>

Yes, that would be very useful to talk about C# in DBA-CS (?).

IMO C# is great not only as very laconic and powerful programming language
etc.etc. but also because it's so easy to post and copy and paste and run
code samples written on C# and posted in e-mail messages where they can get
"screwed"/wrapped out because of message's text line length limitations etc.

Here is a simple sample to demonstrate this C# feature-by-design:

Save the following two lines into hw.cs:

using System;class hw {static void Main(){Console.WriteLine("\nHello,
World!\n");}}

Save the following seven lines into csc.bat

@echo off
echo Compiling hw.cs...
C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\csc.exe hw.cs /nologo
echo Running hw.exe...
hw.exe
pause
del hw.exe

In the case you have .NET Framework installed in
C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727 you'll get the following
results while running csc.bat:

Compiling hw.cs...
Running hw.exe...

Hello, World!

Press any key to continue . . .

Of course you can generalize this idea to have parameterized batch files as
well as csc.exe and/or vbc.exe response files as well as msbuild.exe project
files as well as ... - then you can get very advanced samples compiled and
built from source files without VS and "automagically" tested if samples
will be supplied with (unit) tests for tools like NUnit...

And with some more efforts you can get agile software factory continually
integrating (CruseControl.NET) and (re-)deploying in hot mode your
customers' applications automagically built from code snippets borrowed from
all corners of Internet...

A kind of kidding about the latter of course but...

And a funny story in the end:

"I've got so angry today: when I've got back home I have found a diskette
sticked by a magnet to the fridge's door with a note: 'Darling, here is the
diskette with important documents you've been desperately looking for all
the yesterday evening...' "

I must note that's not a story about my wife - I do not use diskettes for a
long time now :)

BTW, we have a XXVI's Wedding Anniversary today...

Have nice weekend. :)

--
Shamil

P.S. 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

There's a purely monetary reason for going that way, too. According to my
admittedly loose stats, you make about +$15 an hour by claiming C# vs.
VB.NET. I agree with you, William, C# is a piece of cake given even a
modicum of VB.NET. But there seems to be a monetary advantage as well. And
to be fair, there are a couple of things you can do in C# that you can't in
VB.NET.

As to the name change, I'm seriously in favour. Who programs in VB6 any
more? Somebody, somewhere, no doubt. But to preserve the name for him?

A.

On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C#
> rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C#
> really is, especially with the growing number of code translators
> available
> ...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)
>
> William
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Oct 13 08:48:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:48:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
References: <000001c80d70$e8e921b0$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001801c80d9f$ac1ea5f0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...as usual, most of that kind of whoooshed right on by me  ...but congrats 
on the anniversary :)

...I will say that I've been very surprised by how easily large parts of my 
Access code ported to vb.net and eventually C# ...a couple of paradigm 
changes in understanding inheritance and objects but otherwise I'm finding 
it at least as easy as vba ever was ...and there are so many freaking things 
that dotnet does automagically that Access pales in comparison ...and I've 
just begun to poke at its possibilities.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> Yes, that would be very useful to talk about C# in DBA-CS (?).
>
> IMO C# is great not only as very laconic and powerful programming language
> etc.etc. but also because it's so easy to post and copy and paste and run
> code samples written on C# and posted in e-mail messages where they can 
> get
> "screwed"/wrapped out because of message's text line length limitations 
> etc.
>
> Here is a simple sample to demonstrate this C# feature-by-design:
>
> Save the following two lines into hw.cs:
>
> using System;class hw {static void Main(){Console.WriteLine("\nHello,
> World!\n");}}
>
> Save the following seven lines into csc.bat
>
> @echo off
> echo Compiling hw.cs...
> C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\csc.exe hw.cs /nologo
> echo Running hw.exe...
> hw.exe
> pause
> del hw.exe
>
> In the case you have .NET Framework installed in
> C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727 you'll get the following
> results while running csc.bat:
>
> Compiling hw.cs...
> Running hw.exe...
>
> Hello, World!
>
> Press any key to continue . . .
>
> Of course you can generalize this idea to have parameterized batch files 
> as
> well as csc.exe and/or vbc.exe response files as well as msbuild.exe 
> project
> files as well as ... - then you can get very advanced samples compiled and
> built from source files without VS and "automagically" tested if samples
> will be supplied with (unit) tests for tools like NUnit...
>
> And with some more efforts you can get agile software factory continually
> integrating (CruseControl.NET) and (re-)deploying in hot mode your
> customers' applications automagically built from code snippets borrowed 
> from
> all corners of Internet...
>
> A kind of kidding about the latter of course but...
>
> And a funny story in the end:
>
> "I've got so angry today: when I've got back home I have found a diskette
> sticked by a magnet to the fridge's door with a note: 'Darling, here is 
> the
> diskette with important documents you've been desperately looking for all
> the yesterday evening...' "
>
> I must note that's not a story about my wife - I do not use diskettes for 
> a
> long time now :)
>
> BTW, we have a XXVI's Wedding Anniversary today...
>
> Have nice weekend. :)
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
> There's a purely monetary reason for going that way, too. According to my
> admittedly loose stats, you make about +$15 an hour by claiming C# vs.
> VB.NET. I agree with you, William, C# is a piece of cake given even a
> modicum of VB.NET. But there seems to be a monetary advantage as well. And
> to be fair, there are a couple of things you can do in C# that you can't 
> in
> VB.NET.
>
> As to the name change, I'm seriously in favour. Who programs in VB6 any
> more? Somebody, somewhere, no doubt. But to preserve the name for him?
>
> A.
>
> On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> ...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C#
>> rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C#
>> really is, especially with the growing number of code translators
>> available
>> ...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)
>>
>> William
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 08:47:19 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:47:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <000001c80d70$e8e921b0$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <29f585dd0710121817k4f645a8bqd2eb001b84abc849@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c80d70$e8e921b0$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710130647j2835d7cexa85ef5630add12dc@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for a great story, Shamil! That's definitely a keeper!

And a funny story in the end:
>
> "I've got so angry today: when I've got back home I have found a diskette
> sticked by a magnet to the fridge's door with a note: 'Darling, here is
> the
> diskette with important documents you've been desperately looking for all
> the yesterday evening...' "
>
> I must note that's not a story about my wife - I do not use diskettes for
> a
> long time now :)
>
> BTW, we have a XXVI's Wedding Anniversary today...
>
> Have nice weekend. :)
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
> There's a purely monetary reason for going that way, too. According to my
> admittedly loose stats, you make about +$15 an hour by claiming C# vs.
> VB.NET. I agree with you, William, C# is a piece of cake given even a
> modicum of VB.NET. But there seems to be a monetary advantage as well. And
> to be fair, there are a couple of things you can do in C# that you can't
> in
> VB.NET.
>
> As to the name change, I'm seriously in favour. Who programs in VB6 any
> more? Somebody, somewhere, no doubt. But to preserve the name for him?
>
> A.
>
> On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C#
> > rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C#
> > really is, especially with the growing number of code translators
> > available
> > ...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)
> >
> > William
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Oct 13 08:55:03 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:55:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
Message-ID: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

"If you want it here it is.  Come and get it.  But you'd better hurry 'cause
it's going fast." The Beatles

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21028201/

Rocky


 	
	



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Oct 13 08:57:40 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:57:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 14
Message-ID: <000601c80da1$05b45820$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Clint Covington is collecting requests for Access improvements and
information about Access applications you currently sell:

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2007/10/12/do-you-sell-and-access-appli
cation.aspx

Dan






From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Oct 13 12:31:54 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:31:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
References: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...if they don't really "fix" Vista, they'll have no choice but to extend it 
again ...I'm still specing XP for all client systems ...I've installed Vista 
twice now on test systems and wound up removing it both times ...with 2MB of 
ram XP still runs circles around Vista imnshe ...past 4MB it levels out 
...but for what advantage vs the costs? ...and Access has problems with 
Vista that don't show in XP ...MS has blown this intro big time.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22windows+xp%22%2C+%22windows+vista%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

...and while Vista sales have bogged down, the latest Mac OS is taking a 
substantially greater portion of the new systems market ...and with Mac OS 
portability to the X86 environment MS may have cut its own throat in 
releasing Vista before it was ready.

...AND the beta of XP SP3 apparently includes several core Vista features 
...plus you must believe MS isn't putting an XP SP into beta now if it 
really means to cut XP off in a few months time, eh.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?


> "If you want it here it is.  Come and get it.  But you'd better hurry 
> 'cause
> it's going fast." The Beatles
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21028201/
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 14 13:15:50 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:15:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
In-Reply-To: <000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <015901c80e8e$40145b80$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Ditto on this William.
(Albeit GB instead of MB ;o) 

The only worthy thing Vista has done IMO is lower the cost of hardware -
great for XP users!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?

...if they don't really "fix" Vista, they'll have no choice but to extend it
again ...I'm still specing XP for all client systems ...I've installed Vista
twice now on test systems and wound up removing it both times ...with 2MB of
ram XP still runs circles around Vista imnshe ...past 4MB it levels out
...but for what advantage vs the costs? ...and Access has problems with
Vista that don't show in XP ...MS has blown this intro big time.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22windows+xp%22%2C+%22windows+vista%22&ctab=
0&geo=all&date=all

...and while Vista sales have bogged down, the latest Mac OS is taking a
substantially greater portion of the new systems market ...and with Mac OS
portability to the X86 environment MS may have cut its own throat in
releasing Vista before it was ready.

...AND the beta of XP SP3 apparently includes several core Vista features
...plus you must believe MS isn't putting an XP SP into beta now if it
really means to cut XP off in a few months time, eh.




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 13:53:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:53:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group
Message-ID: <000501c80e93$97a9fb20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I've got a simple report grouped by a date field using the Week Group On 
setting. However, the dates within each group aren't sorting, even though 
I've set an Ascending sort both via the Sorting and Grouping feature and in 
the underlying query.

Year values are the same, but only one group is sorting as expected -- 17 
July, 18 July, 19 July, and so on. All the others are just skipping 
around -- 19 July, 18 July, 15 July, 16 July, 17 July.

I don't understand why the dates are sorting correctly within the groups.

Susan H. 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Oct 14 18:09:57 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:09:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
References: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<015901c80e8e$40145b80$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000301c80eb7$572e8650$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

"GB instead of MB" ...ssssshhhhh ...no one else will notice, eh :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?


> Ditto on this William.
> (Albeit GB instead of MB ;o)
>
> The only worthy thing Vista has done IMO is lower the cost of hardware -
> great for XP users!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
>
> ...if they don't really "fix" Vista, they'll have no choice but to extend 
> it
> again ...I'm still specing XP for all client systems ...I've installed 
> Vista
> twice now on test systems and wound up removing it both times ...with 2MB 
> of
> ram XP still runs circles around Vista imnshe ...past 4MB it levels out
> ...but for what advantage vs the costs? ...and Access has problems with
> Vista that don't show in XP ...MS has blown this intro big time.
>
> http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22windows+xp%22%2C+%22windows+vista%22&ctab=
> 0&geo=all&date=all
>
> ...and while Vista sales have bogged down, the latest Mac OS is taking a
> substantially greater portion of the new systems market ...and with Mac OS
> portability to the X86 environment MS may have cut its own throat in
> releasing Vista before it was ready.
>
> ...AND the beta of XP SP3 apparently includes several core Vista features
> ...plus you must believe MS isn't putting an XP SP into beta now if it
> really means to cut XP off in a few months time, eh.
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 14 19:04:15 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:04:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
In-Reply-To: <000301c80eb7$572e8650$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local><015901c80e8e$40145b80$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000301c80eb7$572e8650$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000d01c80ebe$ed793d60$0eac1cac@M90>

Naw, just showing your age.  'twas a time in my youth when I would kill for
2 mb of Ram. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?

"GB instead of MB" ...ssssshhhhh ...no one else will notice, eh :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?


> Ditto on this William.
> (Albeit GB instead of MB ;o)
>
> The only worthy thing Vista has done IMO is lower the cost of hardware -
> great for XP users!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
>
> ...if they don't really "fix" Vista, they'll have no choice but to extend 
> it
> again ...I'm still specing XP for all client systems ...I've installed 
> Vista
> twice now on test systems and wound up removing it both times ...with 2MB 
> of
> ram XP still runs circles around Vista imnshe ...past 4MB it levels out
> ...but for what advantage vs the costs? ...and Access has problems with
> Vista that don't show in XP ...MS has blown this intro big time.
>
>
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22windows+xp%22%2C+%22windows+vista%22&ctab=
> 0&geo=all&date=all
>
> ...and while Vista sales have bogged down, the latest Mac OS is taking a
> substantially greater portion of the new systems market ...and with Mac OS
> portability to the X86 environment MS may have cut its own throat in
> releasing Vista before it was ready.
>
> ...AND the beta of XP SP3 apparently includes several core Vista features
> ...plus you must believe MS isn't putting an XP SP into beta now if it
> really means to cut XP off in a few months time, eh.
>
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Oct 15 00:06:29 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:06:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ADProject: Getting Database Name
In-Reply-To: <s70f6850.004@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <200710150506.l9F56MBm022081@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Gustav - 

Perfect - As I have said many times - legend

I did modify it a bit - I am assuming there already is a connection
So Now I have 2 functions - 
1 to get the Current DB name and the other to get the server name - See below

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Function f_GetServerName() As String

On Error GoTo Err_

Dim strConnect As String
Dim strKey As String
Dim strSearch As String
Dim strServer As String

strConnect = Application.CurrentProject.Connection

strKey = "SOURCE="
strSearch = Mid(strConnect, InStr(1, strConnect, strKey, vbTextCompare) +
Len(strKey))
strServer = Mid(strSearch, 1, InStr(1, strSearch, ";") - 1)

f_ GetServerName = strServer

Exit_:
Exit Function

Err_:
DoCmd.Hourglass False
MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in f_
GetServerName Routine"
Resume Exit_
End Function
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Function f_dBName() As String

On Error GoTo Err_

    Dim rs As Object
    Dim con As Object
    Dim selSQL As String
    Set rs = CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
    Set con = Application.CurrentProject.Connection
      
    selSQL = "SELECT DB_NAME() AS CurrentDB"
    
    rs.Open selSQL, con, 1, 3
    
    f_dBName = rs!CurrentDb
    
rs.Close
Set rs = Nothing

Exit_:
Exit Function

Err_:
DoCmd.Hourglass False
MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in f_dBName
Routine"
Resume Exit_
End Function
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, 12 October 2007 8:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADProject: Getting Database Name

Hi Darren

Would it be something like this:

strConnect =
"DATABASE=something;SERVER=192.168.1.100;PASSWORD=;PORT=3306;OPTION=3;STMT=;"
strKey = "SERVER="
strSearch = Mid(strConnect, InStr(1, strConnect, strKey, vbTextCompare) +
Len(strKey))
strServer = Mid(strSearch, 1, InStr(1, strSearch, ";") - 1)

/gustav

>>> darren at activebilling.com.au 12-10-2007 08:06 >>>
Hi All

 

Cross posted to AccessD and dba_SQL Server

 

I want to get the Server name (Data Source) from code - I can get the dB name

 

Now I want just the server name as well - Not all the other stuff that comes
with the .Connection property

 

Can anyone assist?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Darren


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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Oct 15 00:26:32 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:56:32 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group
References: <000501c80e93$97a9fb20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00bc01c80eec$1310d4c0$5958a27a@personalec1122>

Susan,

    As soon as any setting is made via Sorting and Grouping dialog box, existing sort order (if any) in the source query gets ignored.

    Your problem should stand resolved by adding the date field explicitly as the last item in first column of this dialog box (and selecting Ascending or Descending in second column as desired).

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 00:23
  Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group


  I've got a simple report grouped by a date field using the Week Group On 
  setting. However, the dates within each group aren't sorting, even though 
  I've set an Ascending sort both via the Sorting and Grouping feature and in 
  the underlying query.

  Year values are the same, but only one group is sorting as expected -- 17 
  July, 18 July, 19 July, and so on. All the others are just skipping 
  around -- 19 July, 18 July, 15 July, 16 July, 17 July.

  I don't understand why the dates are sorting correctly within the groups.

  Susan H. 

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 07:00:52 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:00:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group
References: <000501c80e93$97a9fb20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<00bc01c80eec$1310d4c0$5958a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <003101c80f24$0daba090$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

You know, this sounds really familiar -- I'm betting I've seen this before 
and just forgotten. Thanks.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
>    As soon as any setting is made via Sorting and Grouping dialog box, 
> existing sort order (if any) in the source query gets ignored.
>
>    Your problem should stand resolved by adding the date field explicitly 
> as the last item in first column of this dialog box (and selecting 
> Ascending or Descending in second column as desired).
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 00:23
>  Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group
>
>
>  I've got a simple report grouped by a date field using the Week Group On
>  setting. However, the dates within each group aren't sorting, even though
>  I've set an Ascending sort both via the Sorting and Grouping feature and 
> in
>  the underlying query.
>
>  Year values are the same, but only one group is sorting as expected -- 17
>  July, 18 July, 19 July, and so on. All the others are just skipping
>  around -- 19 July, 18 July, 15 July, 16 July, 17 July.
>
>  I don't understand why the dates are sorting correctly within the groups.
>
>  Susan H.
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 15 07:50:53 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:50:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s7137e5d.033@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan et al

Now this topic is up again, those interested could review the thread(s) from April.

By reading about and redoing the sample application in this chapter (link below), you'll get a feeling for what it is all about (thanks Arthur). It is obtuse but that's the price for moving quickly.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 27-04-2007 17:39 >>>
Hi Arthur

All samples? It lists 470 on Visual Studio alone!

Found the JumpStart code download and the book: 

  http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ 
  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ 

Thanks!

/gustav



>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:28 >>>
Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly since
MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio Magazine and
CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google vbJumpStart
and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this book so good that
I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than Access.

Arthur




From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 15 10:15:51 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:15:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <001301c80b59$fa2ff160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <mailman.1.1191949202.3778.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200710091904.l99J42q3003686@databaseadvisors.com>
	<001301c80b59$fa2ff160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <02be01c80f3e$46810a30$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Here's a link to a romantic visual tour down "CrustyOldComputerGeek Lane"
;o)

http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-169761-1.html 

Ya, sheeesh! I started programming on some of these too :o(




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 15 12:31:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:31:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs in
	Vista?
Message-ID: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

>From a fellow developer:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=935370
 
Rocky
 


 	
	



From jengross at gte.net  Mon Oct 15 14:21:08 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:21:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
 inVista?
In-Reply-To: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson>

That cracked me up Rocky . . . "You can temporarily work around this
problem by sharing the database from a computer that is not running
Windows Vista"

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
inVista?


>From a fellow developer:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=935370
 
Rocky
 


 	
	

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 15 16:25:47 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:25:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
	inVista?
In-Reply-To: <00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

>From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 - don't know if this
one's been talked about here or not

You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833


Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
inVista?

That cracked me up Rocky . . . "You can temporarily work around this problem
by sharing the database from a computer that is not running Windows Vista"

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
inVista?


>From a fellow developer:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=935370
 
Rocky
 


 	
	

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 15 16:51:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:51:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access
	dbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
	<00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

That one I knew about.  It isn't just Vista, either.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access
dbsinVista?

>From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 - don't know if 
>this
one's been talked about here or not

You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833


Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access
dbs inVista?

That cracked me up Rocky . . . "You can temporarily work around this
problem by sharing the database from a computer that is not running
Windows Vista"

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
inVista?


>From a fellow developer:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=935370
 
Rocky
 


 	
	

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 15 20:49:31 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:49:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
Message-ID: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000976.html

This makes things clear and useful - I'm putting it on my bulletin board!

Dan







From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 21:56:49 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:56:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
In-Reply-To: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>

Dan, you should visit www.artfulsoftware.com. We did this years ago, and
also explained the more complicated joins such as loose joins and others --
and in more than one flavour of SQL.

Arthur

On 10/15/07, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000976.html
>
> This makes things clear and useful - I'm putting it on my bulletin board!
>
> Dan
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 15 23:39:38 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:39:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c80fae$8fefc240$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I should have guessed!!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins

Dan, you should visit www.artfulsoftware.com. We did this years ago, and
also explained the more complicated joins such as loose joins and others --
and in more than one flavour of SQL.

Arthur

On 10/15/07, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000976.html
>
> This makes things clear and useful - I'm putting it on my bulletin board!
>
> Dan
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct 16 08:29:49 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:29:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c80ff8$a099f710$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Arthur,

>From the page you referenced, what path would I take?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins

Dan, you should visit www.artfulsoftware.com. We did this years ago, and
also explained the more complicated joins such as loose joins and others --
and in more than one flavour of SQL.

Arthur

On 10/15/07, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000976.html
>
> This makes things clear and useful - I'm putting it on my bulletin board!
>
> Dan
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Tue Oct 16 09:38:18 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:38:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running
	AccessdbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson><00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal
with helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

**************************************************
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**************************************************
 
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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem 
> running Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 - 
> don't know if 
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
>




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 09:45:53 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:45:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
	runningAccessdbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson><00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703994@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Personnally, I was never satisfied with the export to Excel except for
the simplest of reports or for queries.  I don't think anyone ever sat
the two teams down and said they had to talk to each other!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal
with helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running 
> Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 -
> don't know if
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
>


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Oct 16 10:28:40 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:28:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
 runningAccessdbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson><00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <00ff01c81009$3c4d2d20$8abea8c0@XPS>

Patricia,

  It's not really Microsoft; they lost a lawsuit and don't want to pay what
the patent holder is asking.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal
with helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem 
> running Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 - 
> don't know if 
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 10:48:56 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:48:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
but I'm not counting on it.

Charlotte Foust


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Oct 16 10:53:08 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:53:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
	runningAccessdbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c81009$3c4d2d20$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <002c01c8100c$a5effe80$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

This isn't about linking to Excel from Access.  The functionality that was
removed simply exported data from Access to an Excel file format. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Patricia,

  It's not really Microsoft; they lost a lawsuit and don't want to pay what
the patent holder is asking.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal with
helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running 
> Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 -
> don't know if
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 16 11:12:57 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:12:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
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Good luck - whatever it is.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email, but
I'm not counting on it.

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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Tue Oct 16 11:22:48 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:22:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
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Good luck and best wishes on your surgery

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* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
> 
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting 
> tomorrow for some minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in 
> from home and check my email, but I'm not counting on it.
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 11:24:55 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:24:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a
technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Good luck - whatever it is.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
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Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
but I'm not counting on it.

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 11:48:13 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:48:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>

Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any
post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any
pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)

GK

On 10/16/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a
> technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Good luck - whatever it is.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
> minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
> but I'm not counting on it.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 16 11:54:53 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:54:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
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Message-ID: <00e901c81015$464a2100$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Good Luck on the surgery and best wishes for a rapid recovery! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:49 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email, but
I'm not counting on it.

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 12:34:46 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:34:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
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Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399C@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Right, and now I have an excuse! LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any post
surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any pictures
of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)

GK

On 10/16/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a 
> technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Good luck - whatever it is.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for 
> some minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my 
> email, but I'm not counting on it.
>
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From robert at webedb.com  Tue Oct 16 12:54:35 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:54:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Artful Lib
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1192554002.22500.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1192554002.22500.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710161759.l9GHxhBj031742@databaseadvisors.com>

Arthur,

My new wife is going through all my boxes and we are
trying to reduce the amount of stuff I have. I ran
across the original disks for Artful Lib. I kept
them in case you wanted a set for nostalgia.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:56:49 -0400
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9 at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Dan, you should visit www.artfulsoftware.com. We did this years ago, and
>also explained the more complicated joins such as loose joins and others --
>and in more than one flavour of SQL.
>
>Arthur




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 16 13:05:28 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:05:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
	runningAccessdbsi	nVista?
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED713B@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

The Kb article clearly states that the issue involves exporting *reports* to
Excel. It does not mention any problems with exporting *Queries* to Excel
files. Not being an Access 2007 user I cannot test this. So could anyone
confirm that we can still export queries to Excel?

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?


This isn't about linking to Excel from Access.  The functionality that was
removed simply exported data from Access to an Excel file format. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Patricia,

  It's not really Microsoft; they lost a lawsuit and don't want to pay what
the patent holder is asking.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal with
helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

**************************************************
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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running 
> Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 -
> don't know if
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
>


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:17:29 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:17:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Artful Lib
In-Reply-To: <200710161759.l9GHxhBj031742@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1192554002.22500.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710161759.l9GHxhBj031742@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710161117x4d940889gd6c3723f504c349c@mail.gmail.com>

Wow. I don't own a set! Several wives and moves later, a lot of stuff has
gone under the bridge.

A.

On 10/16/07, Robert L. Stewart <robert at webedb.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur,
>
> My new wife is going through all my boxes and we are
> trying to reduce the amount of stuff I have. I ran
> across the original disks for Artful Lib. I kept
> them in case you wanted a set for nostalgia.
>
> Robert
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 16 13:29:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:29:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a
	problemrunningAccessdbsi	nVista?
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED713B@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED713B@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c81022$85fafc90$0eac1cac@M90>

I just saw queries exported to Excel a few minutes ago. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problemrunningAccessdbsi
nVista?

The Kb article clearly states that the issue involves exporting *reports* to
Excel. It does not mention any problems with exporting *Queries* to Excel
files. Not being an Access 2007 user I cannot test this. So could anyone
confirm that we can still export queries to Excel?

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?


This isn't about linking to Excel from Access.  The functionality that was
removed simply exported data from Access to an Excel file format. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Patricia,

  It's not really Microsoft; they lost a lawsuit and don't want to pay what
the patent holder is asking.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal with
helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running 
> Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 -
> don't know if
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
>


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 16 13:30:31 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:30:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>

I think she's under the witness protection program. 


John W. Colby
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www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any post
surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any pictures of
you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)

GK

On 10/16/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a 
> technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Good luck - whatever it is.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for 
> some minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my 
> email, but I'm not counting on it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:37:12 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:37:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>
	<002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
Message-ID: <009401c81023$94662100$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

She turned you in???????????? :) 

susan H. 


>I think she's under the witness protection program. 
> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:43:45 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:43:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Message-ID: <29f585dd0710161143y756ef75frfbde071bd25e9269@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah she talked about some low-life coder she hired and now the Los Angeles
combine is all over her. If you can't fix a bug, then what can you fix?
Otherwise we're back in the jungle. I'm telling you as a courtesy, this
thing is gonna get done.

(c.f. Miller's Crossing, my fave movie of all time).

A.

On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 16 14:19:25 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:19:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a
	problemrunningAccessdbsi		nVista?
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7143@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Thanks John. I export to Excel all the time, but only queries. I never
thought the 'feature' to export reports was worth the effort. They usually
looked awful.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problemrunningAccessdbsi
nVista?


I just saw queries exported to Excel a few minutes ago. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problemrunningAccessdbsi
nVista?

The Kb article clearly states that the issue involves exporting *reports* to
Excel. It does not mention any problems with exporting *Queries* to Excel
files. Not being an Access 2007 user I cannot test this. So could anyone
confirm that we can still export queries to Excel?

Lambert


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 16:08:45 2007
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:08:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Message-ID: <8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more like
her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any post
> surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any pictures
> of
> you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 16:12:41 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:12:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com><002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
	<8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7039AC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Rats!  You outted me! LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more
like her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any 
> post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any 
> pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 16 16:21:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:21:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com><002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
	<8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c8103a$84125280$0eac1cac@M90>

LOL, I jut had plastic surgery to look like her.  I had to hire a PI to find
her and take pictures. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more like
her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any 
> post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any 
> pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct 16 16:22:58 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:22:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7039AC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF80A@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Sorry, late to the thread, been having WAY too much fun on OT, William
would be busting a gut if he was over there the last few days.

Good luck Charlotte!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Rats!  You outted me! LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more
like her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any 
> post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any 
> pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 16:24:09 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:24:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
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I've seen JC and this thread is getting a tad too sick for me. LOL.

On 10/16/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Rats!  You outted me! LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 16:25:41 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:25:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <003301c8103a$84125280$0eac1cac@M90>
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	<005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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What I meant. On the other hand, you'd make a cute couple.

On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> LOL, I jut had plastic surgery to look like her.  I had to hire a PI to
> find
> her and take pictures.
>


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 16 16:32:17 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:32:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF80A@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Message-ID: <005d01c8103c$068ac8e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yes, he would. 

And BTW I'll bet no one here knew that they were Assembly coders, but
according to Drew you are.

Want to know why? Join dba-OT
;o) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Sorry, late to the thread, been having WAY too much fun on OT, William would
be busting a gut if he was over there the last few days.




From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Oct 16 17:58:02 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:58:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005701c81048$022de0f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Sounds painful - hope it goes well.

Take care

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away


> Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a
> technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Good luck - whatever it is.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
> minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
> but I'm not counting on it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 16 20:03:02 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:03:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200710170103.l9H12xRk015797@databaseadvisors.com>

Good Luck Charlotte - I do hope it goes well

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 2:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a
technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Good luck - whatever it is.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
but I'm not counting on it.

Charlotte Foust
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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Tue Oct 16 20:53:50 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:53:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com><002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
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Message-ID: <000601c81060$909926c0$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

Wait...he's a code word, not an idol... 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more like
her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any 
> post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any 
> pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
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From Jeff at outbaktech.com  Wed Oct 17 09:46:55 2007
From: Jeff at outbaktech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:46:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ERP Systems
Message-ID: <E2FBF0A51D2A324C90BA16C566366A6D0D922C@belgarion.Outbak.local>

Does anyone here work on a Lawson ERP System?
 
If so, could you please contact me off list at jeff.barrows @ racine.k12.wi.us 
 
Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 17 11:22:07 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:22:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <005d01c8103c$068ac8e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF8FC@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Trying to recruit for OT?  I never said that by the way.... ;)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Yes, he would. 

And BTW I'll bet no one here knew that they were Assembly coders, but
according to Drew you are.

Want to know why? Join dba-OT
;o) 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Sorry, late to the thread, been having WAY too much fun on OT, William
would
be busting a gut if he was over there the last few days.


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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Oct 17 11:22:20 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:22:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
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Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB062@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

I am upgrading an old A97 system to 2k3 but have to go through 2k first.
It is a front end connected to 2 back ends.   I currently have them in
2k.  

When I open the mdb it takes a little time nothing substantial.
Then when I look at the FORMS or REPORTS it has changed all the create
and modify dates to the current date.   This doesn't help me know which
ones I have finished correcting or changing or when.  Why is it doing
this and how can I stop it.

I never saw this happen in A97 for the last 10+ years.
Thanks

**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 17 11:39:54 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:39:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF8FC@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <005d01c8103c$068ac8e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF8FC@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <007601c810dc$58a95100$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yes, and you did imply such - via other analogies.

:o)

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka

Trying to recruit for OT?  I never said that by the way.... ;)




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 17 11:48:07 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:48:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
Message-ID: <s71658f6.082@cactus.dk>

Hi Patricia

Could it be that you haven't turned AutoCorrect or -Trace (don't recall the exact word) off?

/gustav

>>> Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us 17-10-2007 18:22 >>>
I am upgrading an old A97 system to 2k3 but have to go through 2k first.
It is a front end connected to 2 back ends.   I currently have them in
2k.  

When I open the mdb it takes a little time nothing substantial.
Then when I look at the FORMS or REPORTS it has changed all the create
and modify dates to the current date.   This doesn't help me know which
ones I have finished correcting or changing or when.  Why is it doing
this and how can I stop it.

I never saw this happen in A97 for the last 10+ years.
Thanks

**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us 
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us 




From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Oct 17 11:58:24 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:58:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
In-Reply-To: <s71658f6.082@cactus.dk>
References: <s71658f6.082@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB063@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

Thought that might have something to do with it.
Thank you 
Patti

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
> 
> Hi Patricia
> 
> Could it be that you haven't turned AutoCorrect or -Trace 
> (don't recall the exact word) off?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us 17-10-2007 18:22 >>>
> I am upgrading an old A97 system to 2k3 but have to go 
> through 2k first.
> It is a front end connected to 2 back ends.   I currently have them in
> 2k.  
> 
> When I open the mdb it takes a little time nothing substantial.
> Then when I look at the FORMS or REPORTS it has changed all the create
> and modify dates to the current date.   This doesn't help me 
> know which
> ones I have finished correcting or changing or when.  Why is 
> it doing this and how can I stop it.
> 
> I never saw this happen in A97 for the last 10+ years.
> Thanks
> 
> **************************************************
> * Patricia O'Connor
> * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
> * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> * (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us 
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Wed Oct 17 12:25:31 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:25:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB063@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEEJFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I think it's something you're going to have to deal with.

A2K has done this for ever.  In fact, just to check, I looked at the objects
in an app I am currently working on.  I have been building this app since
about 2000.  It was started in A2K and is still in A2K.  When I get ready
for some "major" revisions I always make a copy  and start from there.

The forms, reports, modules, and table links objects in this app are now
dated 10-11-2007 unless I have worked on them since the 11th.  In that case
they show the proper dates.

Queries and local tables keep the actual create and modify date.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
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> Patricia (OTDA)
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
>
>
> Thought that might have something to do with it.
> Thank you
> Patti
>
> **************************************************
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> * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
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> > Gustav Brock
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:48 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
> >
> > Hi Patricia
> >
> > Could it be that you haven't turned AutoCorrect or -Trace
> > (don't recall the exact word) off?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us 17-10-2007 18:22 >>>
> > I am upgrading an old A97 system to 2k3 but have to go
> > through 2k first.
> > It is a front end connected to 2 back ends.   I currently have them in
> > 2k.
> >
> > When I open the mdb it takes a little time nothing substantial.
> > Then when I look at the FORMS or REPORTS it has changed all the create
> > and modify dates to the current date.   This doesn't help me
> > know which
> > ones I have finished correcting or changing or when.  Why is
> > it doing this and how can I stop it.
> >
> > I never saw this happen in A97 for the last 10+ years.
> > Thanks
> >
> > **************************************************
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> > * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> > * OTDA - BDMA
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 17 14:33:55 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:33:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <007601c810dc$58a95100$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF946@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

You misunderstood then...go back an re-read the thread, to be sure you
get everything in context! ;)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Yes, and you did imply such - via other analogies.

:o)

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Trying to recruit for OT?  I never said that by the way.... ;)


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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Oct 17 22:02:17 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:02:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
Message-ID: <200710180302.l9I32CB3003936@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

I am trying to drop an ADP file (That connects to SQL dB's) onto a machine that
does not have full blown Access (Any flavour)

 

Just the run time version of Access 2003 (I think it's 2003 - Anyway.)

 

When I load my ADP the startup functions fail - that's OK - I can get around
them but the ADP tells me the last SQL dB it connected to cannot be found 

 

I thought this is no big deal I will simply use my built in routine to specify
another SQL dB

 

When I click on the button I created that does this - I get an error that the
App has cause an error and needs to be closed

 

That's not good - So I try to open it holding down the shift key so I can get at
the 'Connection' item in the 'File' Drop down menu

 

 This doesn't work either as it seems the dB startup doesn't recognise (or
ignores) the old shift/open trick

 

So - Does anyone know what my options are to get this thing to connect to
another dB either by menu item of by the click of my button?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

 



From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 22:49:44 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:49:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <200710180302.l9I32CB3003936@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200710180302.l9I32CB3003936@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710172049x7c5ca20cre435683485501037@mail.gmail.com>

Darren,
I normally run a function before I ship my database to make sure that the
adp has no connection string. I run this from the debug window:
MakeADPConnectionless
IsConnectionSet = False

You should then be able to set the connection on open of the adp.

This is the function I use to remove the current connection:

Public Function MakeADPConnectionless() As Boolean
        ' Close the connection.
        Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection

        ' Set the connection to nothing.
        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection

        ' Set the flag...
        MakeADPConnectionless = True
End Function

The Shift Key won't work in runtime mode.

Anita


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Oct 18 00:29:45 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:29:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <c5e112ad0710172049x7c5ca20cre435683485501037@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200710180529.l9I5TcnM013866@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Anita et al

Thanks for the response

Excellent - it got me one step closer

Now I am unable to get the SQL Server properties dialogue box to come up

You know the one  -
http://www.blueclaw-db.com/website_database_connections/udl.gif

Even when I Include a tool bar with the "File | Connection" item from the FILE
tool bar

I can see the tool bar I added - but when I click It nothing happens - no
dialogue at all

I have even set up a Macro (RunCommand | ConnectDatabase) still won't work

I even set it up to work via code - Still no joy

Any reason why that dialogue will appear in full blown access but not in the
runtime?

It all hangs on this little bit - If I can get that Dialogue to appear - I think
it will be deliverable
 
Darren
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Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime

Darren,
I normally run a function before I ship my database to make sure that the
adp has no connection string. I run this from the debug window:
MakeADPConnectionless
IsConnectionSet = False

You should then be able to set the connection on open of the adp.

This is the function I use to remove the current connection:

Public Function MakeADPConnectionless() As Boolean
        ' Close the connection.
        Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection

        ' Set the connection to nothing.
        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection

        ' Set the flag...
        MakeADPConnectionless = True
End Function

The Shift Key won't work in runtime mode.

Anita
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From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 01:30:23 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:30:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <200710180529.l9I5TcnM013866@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <c5e112ad0710172049x7c5ca20cre435683485501037@mail.gmail.com>
	<200710180529.l9I5TcnM013866@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710172330k418b1fe1t37a3e0306b324e2c@mail.gmail.com>

Darren,
Call this function when your adp opens (it will set the connection for you
without using the dialog) - it will only attempt to set the connection if is
is not already set, which is why I clear the connection before I give the
users a new adp:

Public Function RunConnection() As Boolean
   Dim sUID As String
   Dim sPWD As String
   Dim sServerName As String
   Dim sDatabaseName As String

        If IsConnectionSet = True Then
            RunConnection = True
            Exit Function
        End If

        sUID = "UserID"
        sPWD = "Password"
        sServerName = "ServerName"
        sDatabaseName = "DBName"
        '
        ' Clear the current connection
        '
        MakeADPConnectionless

        ' Make a new connection and connect this adp to new database.
            '
          sConnectionString = "PROVIDER=SQLOLEDB.1;PASSWORD=" & sPWD & _
         ";PERSIST SECURITY INFO=TRUE;USER ID=" & sUID & _
         ";INITIAL CATALOG=" & sDatabaseName & _
         ";DATA SOURCE=" & sServerName

        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection sConnectionString

        RunConnection = True
        IsConnectionSet = True

End Function



On 10/18/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Anita et al
>
> Thanks for the response
>
> Excellent - it got me one step closer
>
> Now I am unable to get the SQL Server properties dialogue box to come up
>
> You know the one  -
> http://www.blueclaw-db.com/website_database_connections/udl.gif
>
> Even when I Include a tool bar with the "File | Connection" item from the
> FILE
> tool bar
>
> I can see the tool bar I added - but when I click It nothing happens - no
> dialogue at all
>
> I have even set up a Macro (RunCommand | ConnectDatabase) still won't work
>
> I even set it up to work via code - Still no joy
>
> Any reason why that dialogue will appear in full blown access but not in
> the
> runtime?
>
> It all hangs on this little bit - If I can get that Dialogue to appear - I
> think
> it will be deliverable
>
> Darren
> -----------------
> T: 1300 301 731
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
>
> Darren,
> I normally run a function before I ship my database to make sure that the
> adp has no connection string. I run this from the debug window:
> MakeADPConnectionless
> IsConnectionSet = False
>
> You should then be able to set the connection on open of the adp.
>
> This is the function I use to remove the current connection:
>
> Public Function MakeADPConnectionless() As Boolean
>        ' Close the connection.
>        Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
>
>        ' Set the connection to nothing.
>        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection
>
>        ' Set the flag...
>        MakeADPConnectionless = True
> End Function
>
> The Shift Key won't work in runtime mode.
>
> Anita
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 18 07:55:37 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:55:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
Message-ID: <20071018125542.613AC4E7A0@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

For the past few years I've been developing a large ERP-style Access app for
a company in Peterborough. This company has recently been taken over and
whilst the new owners like and value the app they do not like feeling so
exposed on the support front, i.e. what happens if I go under a bus or, more
prosaically, when I go on holiday. Reasonable enough really. I've therefore
been tasked with finding a software house who will spend a few days with me
to understand as much as practically possible about the system and then will
act as second-line support when I'm unavailable. Does anyone out there in
the UK a) have any interest in taking this on, and b) have any experience of
similar operations for other systems? Reasonable proximity to Peterborough
would be a big advantage, but if not then preparedness to travel here as and
when necessary would I'm sure be acceptable.

Any interested parties please email me off-list at andy at minstersystems.co.uk
.

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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Fri Oct 19 00:31:04 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:31:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <c5e112ad0710172330k418b1fe1t37a3e0306b324e2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200710190531.l9J5Uw7b021294@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Anita

Perfect - well done and many thanks - ready for deployment

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 4:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime

Darren,
Call this function when your adp opens (it will set the connection for you
without using the dialog) - it will only attempt to set the connection if is
is not already set, which is why I clear the connection before I give the
users a new adp:

Public Function RunConnection() As Boolean
   Dim sUID As String
   Dim sPWD As String
   Dim sServerName As String
   Dim sDatabaseName As String

        If IsConnectionSet = True Then
            RunConnection = True
            Exit Function
        End If

        sUID = "UserID"
        sPWD = "Password"
        sServerName = "ServerName"
        sDatabaseName = "DBName"
        '
        ' Clear the current connection
        '
        MakeADPConnectionless

        ' Make a new connection and connect this adp to new database.
            '
          sConnectionString = "PROVIDER=SQLOLEDB.1;PASSWORD=" & sPWD & _
         ";PERSIST SECURITY INFO=TRUE;USER ID=" & sUID & _
         ";INITIAL CATALOG=" & sDatabaseName & _
         ";DATA SOURCE=" & sServerName

        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection sConnectionString

        RunConnection = True
        IsConnectionSet = True

End Function



On 10/18/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Anita et al
>
> Thanks for the response
>
> Excellent - it got me one step closer
>
> Now I am unable to get the SQL Server properties dialogue box to come up
>
> You know the one  -
> http://www.blueclaw-db.com/website_database_connections/udl.gif
>
> Even when I Include a tool bar with the "File | Connection" item from the
> FILE
> tool bar
>
> I can see the tool bar I added - but when I click It nothing happens - no
> dialogue at all
>
> I have even set up a Macro (RunCommand | ConnectDatabase) still won't work
>
> I even set it up to work via code - Still no joy
>
> Any reason why that dialogue will appear in full blown access but not in
> the
> runtime?
>
> It all hangs on this little bit - If I can get that Dialogue to appear - I
> think
> it will be deliverable
>
> Darren
> -----------------
> T: 1300 301 731
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
>
> Darren,
> I normally run a function before I ship my database to make sure that the
> adp has no connection string. I run this from the debug window:
> MakeADPConnectionless
> IsConnectionSet = False
>
> You should then be able to set the connection on open of the adp.
>
> This is the function I use to remove the current connection:
>
> Public Function MakeADPConnectionless() As Boolean
>        ' Close the connection.
>        Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
>
>        ' Set the connection to nothing.
>        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection
>
>        ' Set the flag...
>        MakeADPConnectionless = True
> End Function
>
> The Shift Key won't work in runtime mode.
>
> Anita
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From joeo at appoli.com  Fri Oct 19 07:09:32 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
References: <200710190531.l9J5Uw7b021294@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3A26@exch1.Onappsad.net>

A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
snags to be avoided?

Joe O'Connell




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 19 08:08:35 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:08:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
Message-ID: <380-220071051913835333@M2W021.mail2web.com>

Joe:

I set up an application to support multiple languages through tables but
that's for the static labels and command button captions.

As you describe it, I don't think you have to do anything to your program. 
What goes into the two memo fields  is up to the user. So it's transparent
to your program what they're putting in there.  

What kind of problems are you anticipating?

The only thing I can think of that might be a convenience for the user is,
when the Spanish memo field gets the focus, you change the keyboard to
Spanish so they get the accents and tilde - stuff specific to the SPanish
language keyboard.  When it loses the focus, change the keyboard back to
English.

Regards,

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joe O'Connell joeo at appoli.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:32 -0400
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text


A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
snags to be avoided?

Joe O'Connell


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From joeo at appoli.com  Fri Oct 19 08:16:25 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:16:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
References: <380-220071051913835333@M2W021.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3A27@exch1.Onappsad.net>

Thanks Rocky.  Do you know how to change the keyboard to Spanish?

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text

Joe:

I set up an application to support multiple languages through tables but
that's for the static labels and command button captions.

As you describe it, I don't think you have to do anything to your
program. 
What goes into the two memo fields  is up to the user. So it's
transparent
to your program what they're putting in there.  

What kind of problems are you anticipating?

The only thing I can think of that might be a convenience for the user
is,
when the Spanish memo field gets the focus, you change the keyboard to
Spanish so they get the accents and tilde - stuff specific to the
SPanish
language keyboard.  When it loses the focus, change the keyboard back to
English.

Regards,

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joe O'Connell joeo at appoli.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:32 -0400
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text


A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
snags to be avoided?

Joe O'Connell


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 08:05:40 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:05:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
References: <200710190531.l9J5Uw7b021294@databaseadvisors.com>
	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3A26@exch1.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <008801c81251$ec361f40$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Rocky has an app with multiple languages and we even wrote about it. If I 
can find the article still on my hard drive, I'll send it to you privately.

Susan H.


>A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
> English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
> need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
> two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
> snags to be avoided?
>



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 19 08:39:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:39:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
Message-ID: <380-220071051913392470@M2W017.mail2web.com>

Never done that Joe.  It's controlled by WIndows so I'm guessing that it's
probably an API call. Someone here will know, though.

ROcky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joe O'Connell joeo at appoli.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:16:25 -0400
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text


Thanks Rocky.  Do you know how to change the keyboard to Spanish?

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text

Joe:

I set up an application to support multiple languages through tables but
that's for the static labels and command button captions.

As you describe it, I don't think you have to do anything to your
program. 
What goes into the two memo fields  is up to the user. So it's
transparent
to your program what they're putting in there.  

What kind of problems are you anticipating?

The only thing I can think of that might be a convenience for the user
is,
when the Spanish memo field gets the focus, you change the keyboard to
Spanish so they get the accents and tilde - stuff specific to the
SPanish
language keyboard.  When it loses the focus, change the keyboard back to
English.

Regards,

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joe O'Connell joeo at appoli.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:32 -0400
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text


A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
snags to be avoided?

Joe O'Connell


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct 19 09:11:35 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:11:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


	When insults had class 
	"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I
admire." -- 
	Winston Churchill 
	
	"A modest little person, with much to be modest about." -- 
	Winston Churchill 
	
	"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with

	great pleasure." -- 
	Clarence Darrow 
	
	"He has never been known to use a word that might send a 
	reader to the dictionary." -- 
	William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway)
	
	"Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from 
	big words?" 
	-- Ernest Hemingway (about William Faulkner)
	
	"Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no 
	time reading it." -- 
	Moses Hadas 
	
	"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any 
	man I know." -- 
	Abraham Lincoln 
	
	"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." --

	Groucho Marx 
	
	"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying 
	I approved of it." -- 
	Mark Twain 
	
	"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends."
-- 
	Oscar Wilde 
	
	"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play, 
	bring a friend... if you have one." -- 
	George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill 
	
	"Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if
there 
	is one." --
	Winston Churchill, in response 
	
	"I feel so miserable without you, it's almost like having you 
	here." -- 
	Stephen Bishop 
	
	"He is a self-made man and worships his creator." -- 
	John Bright 
	
	"I've just learned about his illness. Let's hope it's nothing
	trivial." -- 
	Irvin S. Cobb 
	
	"He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in 
	others." --
	Samuel Johnson 
	
	"He is simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up." --
	Paul Keating 
	
	"He had delusions of adequacy." -- Walter Kerr 
	
	"There's nothing wrong with you that reincarnation won't cure."
-- 
	Jack E. Leonard 
	
	"He has the attention span of a lightning bolt." -- 
	Robert Redford 
	
	"They never open their mouths without subtracting from the 
	sum of human knowledge." -- 
	Thomas Brackett Reed 
	
	"He inherited some good instincts from his Quaker forebears,
	but by diligent hard work, he overcame them." -- 
	James Reston (about Richard Nixon) 
	
	"In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded
easily." -- 
	Charles, Count Talleyrand
	
	"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." -- 
	Forrest Tucker 
	
	"Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any 
	address on it?" -- 
	Mark Twain 
	
	"His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork." -- 
	Mae West 
	
	"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever
	they go." -- 
	Oscar Wilde 
	
	"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for 
	support rather than illumination."
	-- Andrew Lang (1844-1912) 
	
	"He has Van Gogh's ear for music." -- 
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Fri Oct 19 09:27:02 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:27:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
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Thank you all
I did uncheck AutoCorrect and trace.  When I opened it today it kept the
last date.  
It also seemed to open quicker without going into a trance 

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Reuben Cummings
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 01:26 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
> 
> I think it's something you're going to have to deal with.
> 
> A2K has done this for ever.  In fact, just to check, I looked 
> at the objects in an app I am currently working on.  I have 
> been building this app since about 2000.  It was started in 
> A2K and is still in A2K.  When I get ready for some "major" 
> revisions I always make a copy  and start from there.
> 
> The forms, reports, modules, and table links objects in this 
> app are now dated 10-11-2007 unless I have worked on them 
> since the 11th.  In that case they show the proper dates.
> 
> Queries and local tables keep the actual create and modify date.
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
>




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:11:24 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:11:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>

Only one more to add, that readily comes to mind:

"This is a book not to be put lightly aside, but rather flung, with great
vigor."

Arthur


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 19 11:24:21 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:24:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c8126c$82217da0$647aa8c0@M90>

Is that one of yours?

;-) 


John W. Colby
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www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Only one more to add, that readily comes to mind:

"This is a book not to be put lightly aside, but rather flung, with great
vigor."

Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:32:52 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:32:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <001701c8126c$82217da0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<001701c8126c$82217da0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710190932j41a3c65bn1336110a31727e4a@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.

On 10/19/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Is that one of yours?
>
> ;-)
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:42:23 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:42:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190932j41a3c65bn1336110a31727e4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009001c8126f$082484e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

What is TCP divided by PI?
Max
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Yes.

On 10/19/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Is that one of yours?
>
> ;-)
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:47:44 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:47:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <009001c8126f$082484e0$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <29f585dd0710190932j41a3c65bn1336110a31727e4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<009001c8126f$082484e0$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710190947n11fcd198qf320539533ad7e36@mail.gmail.com>

Seven.

On 10/19/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What is TCP divided by PI?
> Max
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:53:25 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:53:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190947n11fcd198qf320539533ad7e36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009401c81270$9d9f2970$8119fea9@LTVM>

How di you arrive at that answer?
Max
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Seven.

On 10/19/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What is TCP divided by PI?
> Max
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:59:16 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:59:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <009401c81270$9d9f2970$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <29f585dd0710190947n11fcd198qf320539533ad7e36@mail.gmail.com>
	<009401c81270$9d9f2970$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710190959t21a5c89dk7e0bbc9149c186d1@mail.gmail.com>

I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

On 10/19/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How di you arrive at that answer?
> Max
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 12:13:08 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:13:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190959t21a5c89dk7e0bbc9149c186d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c81273$566b22e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

No, serious.  Intel are running a competition and I need the answer to open
the safe.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

On 10/19/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How di you arrive at that answer?
> Max
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct 19 13:19:19 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:19:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al> <29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF5A@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I forgot one of my favorites:
"God in His infinite wisdom brought these two people together so that
two people instead of four would be miserable."
-anon
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Only one more to add, that readily comes to mind:

"This is a book not to be put lightly aside, but rather flung, with
great
vigor."

Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 19 13:33:11 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:33:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
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And then in his infinite wisdom, he had them read Arthur's book to
concentrate the misery even further. 


John W. Colby
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www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class


I forgot one of my favorites:
"God in His infinite wisdom brought these two people together so that two
people instead of four would be miserable."
-anon
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Only one more to add, that readily comes to mind:

"This is a book not to be put lightly aside, but rather flung, with great
vigor."

Arthur
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Oct 20 00:22:31 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:22:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 menus
Message-ID: <000a01c812d9$383f39d0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Struggling a bit to get an app ready for distribution in 2007. 

>From what I have read from posts to our list and on msdn and web, I cannot 'remove' the Office Fluent Ribbon, and I can not have menus. When I import menus from otehr databases, they appear under the 'Add Ins' area which is a bit unfriendly for a client.

What I want is for certain forms and reports to use specific menus.  I am wondering how everyone else is handling this........

I tried customising the QAT for 'this database only' - i thought that might be the way to go, but then this database gets all of the options which were already there (for all databases) and the new ones I have added.

I know there are some ways to play with the Nav Pane - but has anyone found anything which is simple / looks good?

And how do I disable the shift key in 07?

tia

Kath

______________________________________
Kath Pelletti


From Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Oct 20 05:30:34 2007
From: Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:30:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 menus
In-Reply-To: <000a01c812d9$383f39d0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <000a01c812d9$383f39d0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107FF46D788@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Kath

Interesting example at http://www.pdtltd.co.uk/pdtl/technicalresources.htm
RE The ribbon. You can create your own ribbons and associate them with forms and reports etc just as normal. Takes some XML etc to do this but nothing major. I covered this in Pro Access 2007.

Watch the wrap here

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=291704cb-655a-491f-8089-566be7d2e9b0&displaylang=en

good developer tool for this from
http://pschmid.net/index.php

I helped the beta on this and it makes sth eentire ribbon customisation fairly painless.

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2006/07/13/customizing-the-new-access-ui.aspx

Some good tips here re Access 2007 and users

http://allenbrowne.com/ser-69.html


Martin


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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Oct 20 18:37:33 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:37:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 menus
References: <000a01c812d9$383f39d0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107FF46D788@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <001f01c81372$310ec470$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

thanks so much for those links Martin -

Kath

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin W Reid" <Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 menus


> Kath
>
> Interesting example at http://www.pdtltd.co.uk/pdtl/technicalresources.htm
> RE The ribbon. You can create your own ribbons and associate them with 
> forms and reports etc just as normal. Takes some XML etc to do this but 
> nothing major. I covered this in Pro Access 2007.
>
> Watch the wrap here
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=291704cb-655a-491f-8089-566be7d2e9b0&displaylang=en
>
> good developer tool for this from
> http://pschmid.net/index.php
>
> I helped the beta on this and it makes sth eentire ribbon customisation 
> fairly painless.
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2006/07/13/customizing-the-new-access-ui.aspx
>
> Some good tips here re Access 2007 and users
>
> http://allenbrowne.com/ser-69.html
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> Queen's University
> Riddel Hall
> 185 Stranmillis Road
> Belfast
> BT9 5EE
> Tel : 02890974465
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Oct 21 01:42:56 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:42:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <20071018125542.613AC4E7A0@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25>

Ok, no takers. So, next question is can anyone suggest a UK outfit who would
be interested (and are good)?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 18 October 2007 13:56
> To: Dba
> Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> For the past few years I've been developing a large ERP-style 
> Access app for a company in Peterborough. This company has 
> recently been taken over and whilst the new owners like and 
> value the app they do not like feeling so exposed on the 
> support front, i.e. what happens if I go under a bus or, more 
> prosaically, when I go on holiday. Reasonable enough really. 
> I've therefore been tasked with finding a software house who 
> will spend a few days with me to understand as much as 
> practically possible about the system and then will act as 
> second-line support when I'm unavailable. Does anyone out 
> there in the UK a) have any interest in taking this on, and 
> b) have any experience of similar operations for other 
> systems? Reasonable proximity to Peterborough would be a big 
> advantage, but if not then preparedness to travel here as and 
> when necessary would I'm sure be acceptable.
> 
> Any interested parties please email me off-list at 
> andy at minstersystems.co.uk .
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 21 07:32:08 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:32:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>

If you went a little more global than the UK you would get a better
response. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Ok, no takers. So, next question is can anyone suggest a UK outfit who would
be interested (and are good)?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 18 October 2007 13:56
> To: Dba
> Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> For the past few years I've been developing a large ERP-style 
> Access app for a company in Peterborough. This company has 
> recently been taken over and whilst the new owners like and 
> value the app they do not like feeling so exposed on the 
> support front, i.e. what happens if I go under a bus or, more 
> prosaically, when I go on holiday. Reasonable enough really. 
> I've therefore been tasked with finding a software house who 
> will spend a few days with me to understand as much as 
> practically possible about the system and then will act as 
> second-line support when I'm unavailable. Does anyone out 
> there in the UK a) have any interest in taking this on, and 
> b) have any experience of similar operations for other 
> systems? Reasonable proximity to Peterborough would be a big 
> advantage, but if not then preparedness to travel here as and 
> when necessary would I'm sure be acceptable.
> 
> Any interested parties please email me off-list at 
> andy at minstersystems.co.uk .
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> ________________________________________________
> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 21 10:25:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:25:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
	<063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001701c813f6$979ed2f0$647aa8c0@M90>

Apparently the company wants or needs them to come onsite. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

If you went a little more global than the UK you would get a better
response. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Ok, no takers. So, next question is can anyone suggest a UK outfit who would
be interested (and are good)?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 18 October 2007 13:56
> To: Dba
> Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> For the past few years I've been developing a large ERP-style Access 
> app for a company in Peterborough. This company has recently been 
> taken over and whilst the new owners like and value the app they do 
> not like feeling so exposed on the support front, i.e. what happens if 
> I go under a bus or, more prosaically, when I go on holiday. 
> Reasonable enough really.
> I've therefore been tasked with finding a software house who will 
> spend a few days with me to understand as much as practically possible 
> about the system and then will act as second-line support when I'm 
> unavailable. Does anyone out there in the UK a) have any interest in 
> taking this on, and
> b) have any experience of similar operations for other systems? 
> Reasonable proximity to Peterborough would be a big advantage, but if 
> not then preparedness to travel here as and when necessary would I'm 
> sure be acceptable.
> 
> Any interested parties please email me off-list at 
> andy at minstersystems.co.uk .
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> ________________________________________________
> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 21 11:40:53 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:40:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <001701c813f6$979ed2f0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25><063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001701c813f6$979ed2f0$647aa8c0@M90>
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Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business expense :o)


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Apparently the company wants or needs them to come onsite. 




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 21 11:48:56 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:48:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
Message-ID: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

 
Dear List:
 
In A2K I turned off the standard menu bar by changing the MenuBar property
of the database to False.  This property doesn't seem to be present in A2K3.
How do I turn off the menu bar?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 11:59:00 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:59:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <02c401c81401$2909cc90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
	<063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001701c813f6$979ed2f0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<02c401c81401$2909cc90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710210959k1ee17690te38679afa4f0df2b@mail.gmail.com>

I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN dollar soaring
past its American counterpart, it's no doubt cheaper to fly from here to
Peterborough.

A.

On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business expense
> :o)
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 12:15:42 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:15:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A Problem with Static Functions
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710211015i47097d9ei2b873074d559fcb3@mail.gmail.com>

As regulars here well know, I'm a big fan of static functions. But I
recently came across a situation in which the conventional use of statics
didn't work, because they hide the value of interest within themselves, so
two static functions cannot share a single value.

This concerns an implementation of PushDir and PopDir. I ended up writing it
like this. I invite revisions.

<code>
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Global DirName_glb As String

Sub PushD()
    DirName_glb = CurDir
    Debug.Print "Current Directory: " & DirName_glb
End Sub

Sub PopD()
    ChDir DirName_glb
    Debug.Print "Back to Directory: " & DirName_glb
End Sub

Sub TestPushPop()
    PushD
    ChDir "c:\Apps"
    Debug.Print "New directory: " & CurDir
    PopD
End Sub
</code>

TIA,
Arthur


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 21 17:38:58 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:38:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
Message-ID: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

John:
 
I used your Error Handler to make error traps for all the modules in
E-Z-MRP. Worked really slick.

I'm trying to do the same for another app and I thought I imported all of
the necessary stuff but I'm getting a compile error in the new app
C2DbErrHndlrBldr, module ccFillUsrProc, line:
 
Case vbext_pk_Get
 
The error is variable not defined.  I can't figure out what I'm missing. Is
it DIMmed in another module?  Or is it a constant my new app's not seeing?
E-Z-MRP compiles OK so I know the new app is missing something.

Do you know what it might be?

Thanks and regards,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	



From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 22:11:49 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:11:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710212011r4e41b712y9b33aa96d9beb595@mail.gmail.com>

Rodky,
Try
    DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
Anita


On 10/22/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> In A2K I turned off the standard menu bar by changing the MenuBar property
> of the database to False.  This property doesn't seem to be present in
> A2K3.
> How do I turn off the menu bar?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 21 23:24:22 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:24:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <c5e112ad0710212011r4e41b712y9b33aa96d9beb595@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<c5e112ad0710212011r4e41b712y9b33aa96d9beb595@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c81463$6c22b1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I ended up discovering a command somewhere on the web which seems to work:

    Application.CommandBars("menu bar").Enabled = False

Is the DoCmd a better approach?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar

Rodky,
Try
    DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo Anita


On 10/22/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> In A2K I turned off the standard menu bar by changing the MenuBar 
> property of the database to False.  This property doesn't seem to be 
> present in A2K3.
> How do I turn off the menu bar?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Mon Oct 22 00:01:48 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:01:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <008f01c81463$6c22b1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<c5e112ad0710212011r4e41b712y9b33aa96d9beb595@mail.gmail.com>
	<008f01c81463$6c22b1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710212201y65b64351kefe6706628ef6811@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know which is better. I never knew of the other method - thanks it
might come in handy.

On 10/22/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> I ended up discovering a command somewhere on the web which seems to work:
>
>    Application.CommandBars("menu bar").Enabled = False
>
> Is the DoCmd a better approach?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
>
> Rodky,
> Try
>    DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo Anita
>
>
> On 10/22/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > In A2K I turned off the standard menu bar by changing the MenuBar
> > property of the database to False.  This property doesn't seem to be
> > present in A2K3.
> > How do I turn off the menu bar?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 02:12:45 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:12:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710210959k1ee17690te38679afa4f0df2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028b01c8147a$f1d7b370$e149d355@minster33c3r25>

Bit of a practicality issue there guys. If I'm off for a day and system
crashes that day....... The response that you'll be on tonight's red-eye
wouldn't go down great. Seriously though I'm disappointed that I've had
interest from your side of the pond but no-one over here. Shame.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 21 October 2007 17:59
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN 
> dollar soaring past its American counterpart, it's no doubt 
> cheaper to fly from here to Peterborough.
> 
> A.
> 
> On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> >
> > Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business 
> > expense
> > :o)
> >
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 22 08:13:06 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:13:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
In-Reply-To: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/21/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> John:
>
> I used your Error Handler to make error traps for all the modules in
> E-Z-MRP. Worked really slick.
>
> I'm trying to do the same for another app and I thought I imported all of
> the necessary stuff but I'm getting a compile error in the new app
> C2DbErrHndlrBldr, module ccFillUsrProc, line:
>
> Case vbext_pk_Get
>
> The error is variable not defined.  I can't figure out what I'm missing. Is
> it DIMmed in another module?  Or is it a constant my new app's not seeing?
> E-Z-MRP compiles OK so I know the new app is missing something.
>
> Do you know what it might be?

You need to set a reference to Visual Basic for Application
Extensibility Library.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 22 08:35:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:35:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c814b0$64ce9940$647aa8c0@M90>

It would be much easier to just download the new VB6 version from our
website.  Register than, close then reopen the FE.  It is immediately
available as a toolbar IIRC.  You will need to first click the "setup"
button of the toolbar and select the options you want and then you can start
using it.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder

On 10/21/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> John:
>
> I used your Error Handler to make error traps for all the modules in 
> E-Z-MRP. Worked really slick.
>
> I'm trying to do the same for another app and I thought I imported all 
> of the necessary stuff but I'm getting a compile error in the new app 
> C2DbErrHndlrBldr, module ccFillUsrProc, line:
>
> Case vbext_pk_Get
>
> The error is variable not defined.  I can't figure out what I'm 
> missing. Is it DIMmed in another module?  Or is it a constant my new app's
not seeing?
> E-Z-MRP compiles OK so I know the new app is missing something.
>
> Do you know what it might be?

You need to set a reference to Visual Basic for Application Extensibility
Library.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 22 08:44:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:44:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <028b01c8147a$f1d7b370$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <29f585dd0710210959k1ee17690te38679afa4f0df2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<028b01c8147a$f1d7b370$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <003401c814b1$a088dcb0$647aa8c0@M90>

Is the site available through remote desktop?  That makes maintenance from
afar much more practical, and opens up your options.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Bit of a practicality issue there guys. If I'm off for a day and system
crashes that day....... The response that you'll be on tonight's red-eye
wouldn't go down great. Seriously though I'm disappointed that I've had
interest from your side of the pond but no-one over here. Shame.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: 21 October 2007 17:59
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN dollar 
> soaring past its American counterpart, it's no doubt cheaper to fly 
> from here to Peterborough.
> 
> A.
> 
> On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> >
> > Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business 
> > expense
> > :o)
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 22 10:02:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:02:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
In-Reply-To: <003301c814b0$64ce9940$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c814b0$64ce9940$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003101c814bc$87a984a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Thanks.  I'm already registered.  Will do that.   VB6 version is an add-on?
dll?  compatible with Access I assume.  Through 2007?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder

It would be much easier to just download the new VB6 version from our
website.  Register than, close then reopen the FE.  It is immediately
available as a toolbar IIRC.  You will need to first click the "setup"
button of the toolbar and select the options you want and then you can start
using it.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder

On 10/21/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> John:
>
> I used your Error Handler to make error traps for all the modules in 
> E-Z-MRP. Worked really slick.
>
> I'm trying to do the same for another app and I thought I imported all 
> of the necessary stuff but I'm getting a compile error in the new app 
> C2DbErrHndlrBldr, module ccFillUsrProc, line:
>
> Case vbext_pk_Get
>
> The error is variable not defined.  I can't figure out what I'm 
> missing. Is it DIMmed in another module?  Or is it a constant my new 
> app's
not seeing?
> E-Z-MRP compiles OK so I know the new app is missing something.
>
> Do you know what it might be?

You need to set a reference to Visual Basic for Application Extensibility
Library.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
--
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 22 11:11:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:11:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
In-Reply-To: <003101c814bc$87a984a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com><003301c814b0$64ce9940$647aa8c0@M90>
	<003101c814bc$87a984a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000001c814c6$400b4660$647aa8c0@M90>

The new version is a DLL I believe.  When I said "register" I meant the DLL.
There is a "how to use this" text file in the zip with the dll.  You
register the dll.  It is then usable with ALL of the office applications
that use the VBA editor, from inside of the VBA editor.  IOW you can use it
to insert error handlers in modules in Word, Excel, PowerPoint and of course
Access.  

The only thing to be aware of is that it will complain IF:

You open TWO office applications BEFORE attempting to use the error handler.
Essentially it cannot discover which application to hook into.  If however
you open some application, let's say Word, then open a module in Word and
insert an error handler in any function in Word, and then you open Excel,
you will be able to continue to insert error handlers in Word, but you will
not be able to insert error handlers in Excel or in fact in any Office
application opened after the first.

This is also the case (and more confusing) if you open two instances of
Access.

So the rule is, open the application that you want to insert an error
handler in.  Insert an error handler in any function.  Open any other Office
application as desired.  You will still be able to insert error handlers in
that first application.

IF you happen to open two Office applications and then want to insert an
error handler IN EITHER ONE OF THEM, you must close all but the one you want
to insert error handlers in, insert at least one error handler in that
application, and then you may open any Office application you wish and still
insert error handlers in that first application.

It appears that the error handler insertion wizard "hooks into" one and only
one instance of any Office application (specifically the editor), and if
there are more than one Office applications open before you try to use it,
it cannot figure out which to hook into.


Other than that it works wonderfully, and does not require a reference to
the VBE IDE library as the "native" version did.

BTW I did not port this to VB6 and I do not even have the source at my
finger tips, though I may be able to dig it up.  

Let me know if you have any problems.

NO IDEA whether it works with 2007.  It does work with 2003 and previous.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder

Thanks.  I'm already registered.  Will do that.   VB6 version is an add-on?
dll?  compatible with Access I assume.  Through 2007?

Rocky



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 13:23:03 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:23:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <003401c814b1$a088dcb0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <02d201c814d8$962a1190$e149d355@minster33c3r25>

Tis a thought you're right JC, thanks. It's not at the moment but I'll
enquire about the possibilty.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 22 October 2007 14:44
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> Is the site available through remote desktop?  That makes 
> maintenance from afar much more practical, and opens up your options.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> Bit of a practicality issue there guys. If I'm off for a day 
> and system crashes that day....... The response that you'll 
> be on tonight's red-eye wouldn't go down great. Seriously 
> though I'm disappointed that I've had interest from your side 
> of the pond but no-one over here. Shame.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> > Fuller
> > Sent: 21 October 2007 17:59
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> > 
> > 
> > I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN dollar
> > soaring past its American counterpart, it's no doubt cheaper to fly 
> > from here to Peterborough.
> > 
> > A.
> > 
> > On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business
> > > expense
> > > :o)
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 22 13:36:35 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:36:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <02d201c814d8$962a1190$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <003401c814b1$a088dcb0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<02d201c814d8$962a1190$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000a01c814da$7a5d73b0$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  Also makes YOUR maintenance from afar much more practical.  

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Tis a thought you're right JC, thanks. It's not at the moment but I'll
enquire about the possibilty.

-- Andy Lacey
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 22 October 2007 14:44
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> Is the site available through remote desktop?  That makes maintenance 
> from afar much more practical, and opens up your options.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> Bit of a practicality issue there guys. If I'm off for a day and 
> system crashes that day....... The response that you'll be on 
> tonight's red-eye wouldn't go down great. Seriously though I'm 
> disappointed that I've had interest from your side of the pond but 
> no-one over here. Shame.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
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> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Fuller
> > Sent: 21 October 2007 17:59
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> > 
> > 
> > I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN dollar 
> > soaring past its American counterpart, it's no doubt cheaper to fly 
> > from here to Peterborough.
> > 
> > A.
> > 
> > On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business 
> > > expense
> > > :o)
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Oct 22 21:34:52 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:34:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
Message-ID: <200710230234.l9N2Yktl031341@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 04:55:26 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:55:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Oct 23 06:10:49 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:10:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
References: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002101c81565$5f69d270$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Andy - I have some previous posts on this topic - I will foward to you 
offline,

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Dba" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes


> Morning campers
>
> Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.
>
> So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
> construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also 
> read
> from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
> out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
> Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
> have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it 
> looks
> like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.
>
> --
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> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 23 06:11:11 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:11:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <s71df2f5.069@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments, calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose. 

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 





From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 23 06:31:02 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:31:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710230234.l9N2Yktl031341@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <04E25951408A4DFDBA46AD6E545EDC6F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 06:41:18 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:41:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <20071023114122.6B54C2B9ECD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Interesting advice as always Gustav. The full list of what I need to do is
(I think):

- construct email, address it (to, CC and/or BCC) and add attachments
- optionally send the email or open it in email client for previewing,
editing and further addressing

Separately I also need to extract Access contact data nd write to address
books.

Does this sound feasible without talking to Notes itself? If so any
suggestions where I'd go to read more on this?

Andy


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 11:13


Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments,
calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and
you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other
proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose.

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's
account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems
offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 23 07:02:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:02:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <003501c8156c$a5100180$647aa8c0@M90>

Watcha wanna use Lotus Notes for?

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:55 AM
To: Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes

Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 07:34:38 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:34:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <20071023123442.353AE4C077@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Pretty hard to resist eh? :-)

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 12:06


Watcha wanna use Lotus Notes for?

;-)


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:55 AM
To: Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes

Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 23 07:56:50 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:56:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <s71e0bc2.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Yes, that is doable. Marty and others have posted several code snippets how to handle the CDOSYS dll.
In the archives you can look up cdosys for these months:

2007-08
2006-07
2006-06
2006-02
2005-11

If you can accept to install external controls you may look for BLAT (which I haven't used) or those that I prefer and is much faster to work with than CDOSYS, the controls from Chilkat, though not free:

http://www.chilkatsoft.com/products.asp 

Note the IMAP component.
Also, the support is excellent.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 13:41 >>>
Interesting advice as always Gustav. The full list of what I need to do is
(I think):

- construct email, address it (to, CC and/or BCC) and add attachments
- optionally send the email or open it in email client for previewing,
editing and further addressing

Separately I also need to extract Access contact data nd write to address
books.

Does this sound feasible without talking to Notes itself? If so any
suggestions where I'd go to read more on this?

Andy


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 11:13


Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments,
calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and
you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other
proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose.

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's
account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems
offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 





From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 09:58:10 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:58:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I'll look into it. Thanks Gustav.
--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 13:00


Hi Andy

Yes, that is doable. Marty and others have posted several code snippets how
to handle the CDOSYS dll.
In the archives you can look up cdosys for these months:

2007-08
2006-07
2006-06
2006-02
2005-11

If you can accept to install external controls you may look for BLAT (which
I haven't used) or those that I prefer and is much faster to work with than
CDOSYS, the controls from Chilkat, though not free:

http://www.chilkatsoft.com/products.asp

Note the IMAP component.
Also, the support is excellent.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 13:41 >>>
Interesting advice as always Gustav. The full list of what I need to do is
(I think):

- construct email, address it (to, CC and/or BCC) and add attachments
- optionally send the email or open it in email client for previewing,
editing and further addressing

Separately I also need to extract Access contact data nd write to address
books.

Does this sound feasible without talking to Notes itself? If so any
suggestions where I'd go to read more on this?

Andy


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 11:13


Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments,
calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and
you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other
proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose.

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's
account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems
offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 23 12:20:26 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:20:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01ce01c81599$00b4d610$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Andy,
I have had a system in place that does this for about 7 years now. This was
originally set up when GroupWise was the corp. mail system. They are now
converting to MS Exchange/Outlook. I also have it working with Lotus Notes
on another site. I went around the corp. mail system as Gustav suggests. I
didn't use the same software but that is somewhat irrelevant to my comments.

One item of concern I'd like to point out if using a separate system to
process email is the network/email/gateway security systems in place.
Occasionally my system quits working properly. The reason always has been
that the IT staff has changed their gateway security settings and not my
system's configuration settings. This is usually a port number change and
takes all of 2 minutes so it's never been a big issue.

Best of luck,
John B




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 12:59:47 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:59:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <01ce01c81599$00b4d610$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000001c8159e$852ec4f0$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Thanks for the input John.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 23 October 2007 18:20
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
> 
> 
> Andy,
> I have had a system in place that does this for about 7 years 
> now. This was originally set up when GroupWise was the corp. 
> mail system. They are now converting to MS Exchange/Outlook. 
> I also have it working with Lotus Notes on another site. I 
> went around the corp. mail system as Gustav suggests. I 
> didn't use the same software but that is somewhat irrelevant 
> to my comments.
> 
> One item of concern I'd like to point out if using a separate 
> system to process email is the network/email/gateway security 
> systems in place. Occasionally my system quits working 
> properly. The reason always has been that the IT staff has 
> changed their gateway security settings and not my system's 
> configuration settings. This is usually a port number change 
> and takes all of 2 minutes so it's never been a big issue.
> 
> Best of luck,
> John B
> 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 23 13:21:52 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:21:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
References: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005801c815a1$9675ce40$6b706c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>

...have you looked at the FMS Access e-mailer solution? ...its a plug-in, 
works smoothly, gets updated frequently, has good support, and is Notes 
compatible ...as with all FMS products you pay for quality but I've always 
found it money well spent.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Dba" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:55 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes


> Morning campers
>
> Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.
>
> So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
> construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also 
> read
> from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
> out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
> Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
> have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it 
> looks
> like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 23 14:47:00 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:47:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sure wish it was Friday
Message-ID: <005d01c815ad$7aa57b50$647aa8c0@M90>

http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct 23 18:45:07 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:45:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sure wish it was Friday
In-Reply-To: <005d01c815ad$7aa57b50$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADFED6@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

That was great...and so true!  (You could say the same for Microsoft's
OS cycle... ;) )

Drew

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http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 23 20:29:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:29:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sure wish it was Friday
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LOL, yea maybe.  MS has fanboys but not like Apple. 


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That was great...and so true!  (You could say the same for Microsoft's OS
cycle... ;) )

Drew

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct 24 02:23:01 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:23:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <005801c815a1$9675ce40$6b706c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
Message-ID: <002001c8160e$b67c1ec0$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Thanks William. Another possibility I didn't know about.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: 23 October 2007 19:22
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
> 
> 
> ...have you looked at the FMS Access e-mailer solution? 
> ...its a plug-in, 
> works smoothly, gets updated frequently, has good support, 
> and is Notes 
> compatible ...as with all FMS products you pay for quality 
> but I've always 
> found it money well spent.
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Dba" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:55 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
> 
> 
> > Morning campers
> >
> > Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not 
> my choice.
> >
> > So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to 
> > construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I 
> > also read from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser 
> concern. What 
> > I need to find out is how I'd do the same if we go from 
> > Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino. Do any of you heroes have any 
> > experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or have any good 
> ideas where 
> > to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
> > like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.
> >
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 04:22:24 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:22:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00ae01c8161f$63fc5e60$8119fea9@LTVM>

 
Hi Andy,

Nothing to do with  Lotus Notes per se, but I have just written a CDO email
system for bulk emails (Access 2003).
Your welcome to a copy if it  would help.  It is  not super-duper stuff and
I  have only used it in test mode.  I will be using it for real next week.

I was tempted to offer some help but as I am in Derby it is a bit far to
cover Peterborough.
Regards
Max


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes

I'll look into it. Thanks Gustav.
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 13:00


Hi Andy

Yes, that is doable. Marty and others have posted several code snippets how
to handle the CDOSYS dll.
In the archives you can look up cdosys for these months:

2007-08
2006-07
2006-06
2006-02
2005-11

If you can accept to install external controls you may look for BLAT (which
I haven't used) or those that I prefer and is much faster to work with than
CDOSYS, the controls from Chilkat, though not free:

http://www.chilkatsoft.com/products.asp

Note the IMAP component.
Also, the support is excellent.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 13:41 >>>
Interesting advice as always Gustav. The full list of what I need to do is
(I think):

- construct email, address it (to, CC and/or BCC) and add attachments
- optionally send the email or open it in email client for previewing,
editing and further addressing

Separately I also need to extract Access contact data nd write to address
books.

Does this sound feasible without talking to Notes itself? If so any
suggestions where I'd go to read more on this?

Andy


--------- Original Message --------
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 11:13


Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments,
calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and
you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other
proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose.

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's
account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems
offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 24 08:43:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:43:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
Message-ID: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 24 08:55:50 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:55:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

I have friends in Del Mar too and they've been evacuated for the past 36
hours. It's a treacherous situation but what they need is more firefighters,
not "more than firefighters". Prayers? Don't get me started.

Lambert

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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Oct 24 08:55:27 2007
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>

Rocky contacted OT and said that he and his family evacuated, the night before last. He went back yesterday, and wrote while he was there, and his house was still OK at that point.
 
 
 
John W. Clark
Computer Programmer 
Niagara County
Central Data Processing
         


>>> "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> 10/24/2007 9:43 AM >>>
For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 24 09:05:21 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:05:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000001c81646$eb0c41f0$697aa8c0@M90>

>Prayers? Don't get me started.

LOL, I don't want to get you started.  But when the winds are gusting to 80
miles an hour, fire fighters are helpless.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

I have friends in Del Mar too and they've been evacuated for the past 36
hours. It's a treacherous situation but what they need is more firefighters,
not "more than firefighters". Prayers? Don't get me started.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 09:13:49 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:13:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c8161f$63fc5e60$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<00ae01c8161f$63fc5e60$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <004501c81648$1aab00d0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

How far would that actually be? 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com

I was tempted to offer some help but as I am in Derby it is a bit far to
cover Peterborough.




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 09:13:49 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:13:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <004401c81648$1a78f450$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Its Wednesday - let's not start a "fire" of our own here - please.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

Prayers? Don't get me started.




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 09:28:43 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:28:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <004501c81648$1aab00d0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <004801c8164a$2ea16820$8119fea9@LTVM>

About 75 miles.  With good traffic, about 1 hr 45 mins to 2 hrs.

Guess that doesn't sound a lot for USA, but with our roads and traffic, it
can be tortuous!

Max 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes

How far would that actually be? 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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max.wanadoo at gmail.com

I was tempted to offer some help but as I am in Derby it is a bit far to
cover Peterborough.


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 09:32:34 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:32:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
	<471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710240732n21d5dbbehe5dc05d0a91efb7c@mail.gmail.com>

Yes as John said, Rocky and his family evacuated and then were given
the OK to go back home. Last heard from him about 11pm last night so
he could have been evacuated again by now. He said that the cars were
still loaded and ready to leave quickly. He described needing to wear
a mask and goggles if you went outside.

Best of luck to everyone in the area. You are all welcome to come to
Minnesota. We have had lots of rain here over the past two months. We
just had 4 days without rain which they said was the first time in 51
days that had happened.

OK. Back to Access talk now ;-)

GK

On 10/24/07, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:
> Rocky contacted OT and said that he and his family evacuated, the night before last. He went back yesterday, and wrote while he was there, and his house was still OK at that point.
>
>
>
> John W. Clark
> Computer Programmer
> Niagara County
> Central Data Processing
>
>
>
> >>> "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> 10/24/2007 9:43 AM >>>
> For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
> square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
> sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
> tell.
>
> Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
> Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
> your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
> fire?
>
> Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
> firefighters to put this thing out.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 24 09:32:54 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:32:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
	<471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703A6F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Thanks for letting us know that.  I know others in the area who think
they've lost their homes but can't find out for sure right now.  It is
such a shame, but also one of the known hazards of the area.  We'll keep
Rocky and his family in our thoughts, certainly.  If there is anything
we could do to help, I hope he knows he can call on us.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

Rocky contacted OT and said that he and his family evacuated, the night
before last. He went back yesterday, and wrote while he was there, and
his house was still OK at that point.
 
 
 
John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing
         


>>> "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> 10/24/2007 9:43 AM >>>
For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end
in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway
from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by
this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 24 09:50:58 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:50:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71DA@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

No denying that!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


>Prayers? Don't get me started.

LOL, I don't want to get you started.  But when the winds are gusting to 80
miles an hour, fire fighters are helpless.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

I have friends in Del Mar too and they've been evacuated for the past 36
hours. It's a treacherous situation but what they need is more firefighters,
not "more than firefighters". Prayers? Don't get me started.

Lambert

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 24 09:59:06 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:59:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to evacuate.  Didn't
know if the fires would get to the coast but it was predicted.  There's
really no way to stop a fire in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters
can't go up.  It came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al
the maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/

It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 and 10 percent.
Bu, unless something changes radically, we're going to unpack today.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 10:01:03 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:01:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950710240732n21d5dbbehe5dc05d0a91efb7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90><471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
	<aea6c4950710240732n21d5dbbehe5dc05d0a91efb7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c8164e$b2810840$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Rocky just posted an update on dba-OT. They're back home now.




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 24 08:59:31 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:59:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D8@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Certainly good news there!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


Rocky contacted OT and said that he and his family evacuated, the night
before last. He went back yesterday, and wrote while he was there, and his
house was still OK at that point.
 
 
 
John W. Clark
Computer Programmer 
Niagara County
Central Data Processing
         


>>> "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> 10/24/2007 9:43 AM >>>
For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Wed Oct 24 10:30:10 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:30:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
References: <004801c8164a$2ea16820$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <005001c81652$c3f23960$1800a8c0@s1800>

I understand it is just kind of safetynet, so it might not be necessary at 
all if the customer doesnt get a problem just when Any is on vacation.
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes


> About 75 miles.  With good traffic, about 1 hr 45 mins to 2 hrs.
>
> Guess that doesn't sound a lot for USA, but with our roads and traffic, it
> can be tortuous!
>
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:14 PM
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> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
>
> How far would that actually be?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
> I was tempted to offer some help but as I am in Derby it is a bit far to
> cover Peterborough.
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 11:23:38 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:23:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
Message-ID: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Has anyone experienced Access FE forms (2k-2k3) not refreshing properly over
a network?
 
1GB Ethernet to the BE. All other work stations work well but this
particular WS does not refresh data even when refresh is done manually with
records refresh or F9. the only way to get the new data is to close the app
and reopen it.
 
The only difference between this WS and others is that it goes through two
GB switches to get to the BE. The others go through one switch. Any ideas on
why this may be happening?
 
BTW this is not my app but I have access to the source code. The developer
has not been able to figure this out on her own.
 
TIA
John B.




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 11:28:58 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:28:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <005001c81652$c3f23960$1800a8c0@s1800>
References: <004801c8164a$2ea16820$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<005001c81652$c3f23960$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <001a01c8165a$fac9dc60$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

If I were closer I'd seriously consider it for no other reason than being a
business partner with Andy would look good on the 'ol resume' :o)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik

I understand it is just kind of safetynet, so it might not be necessary at
all if the customer doesnt get a problem just when Any is on vacation.
Lembit




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 24 12:48:11 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:48:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <002101c81666$0c4c6e70$697aa8c0@M90>

I would look first at service pack stuff, both windows and office. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:24 PM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

Has anyone experienced Access FE forms (2k-2k3) not refreshing properly over
a network?
 
1GB Ethernet to the BE. All other work stations work well but this
particular WS does not refresh data even when refresh is done manually with
records refresh or F9. the only way to get the new data is to close the app
and reopen it.
 
The only difference between this WS and others is that it goes through two
GB switches to get to the BE. The others go through one switch. Any ideas on
why this may be happening?
 
BTW this is not my app but I have access to the source code. The developer
has not been able to figure this out on her own.
 
TIA
John B.


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 13:33:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:33:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 breaks AutoCorrect
Message-ID: <012a01c8166c$66fa0700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943519



I'm seeing this one all over this weekend. I'm beginning to think MS can't fix anything without breaking something else. Woody ought to be in stitches!!!



SUsan H. 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 24 13:46:06 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:46:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <91266CC8839B4BCEA204CA8407FAA617@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Very informative... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to evacuate.  Didn't
know if the fires would get to the coast but it was predicted.  There's
really no way to stop a fire in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters
can't go up.  It came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al
the maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/

It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 and 10 percent.
Bu, unless something changes radically, we're going to unpack today.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 13:41:54 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:41:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 breaks AutoCorrect
In-Reply-To: <012a01c8166c$66fa0700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <012a01c8166c$66fa0700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710241141t34d1e8dydbb0e572abb71783@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I'll say it. You are just BEGINNING to think that NOW?  ;-)

GK

On 10/24/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943519
>
>
>
> I'm seeing this one all over this weekend. I'm beginning to think MS can't fix anything without breaking something else. Woody ought to be in stitches!!!
>
>
>
> SUsan H.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 24 13:51:35 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:51:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <D625EBC6EB7941689F2BB3367A1FDF29@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Unfortunately, I can not be of much help with this but have experienced this
condition for years with a large variety of 'bound' Access sites.

Traditionally, if given the mandate, I convert the site to 'unbound' with a
MS SQL BE and the client has never had that problem afterwards.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:24 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

Has anyone experienced Access FE forms (2k-2k3) not refreshing properly over
a network?
 
1GB Ethernet to the BE. All other work stations work well but this
particular WS does not refresh data even when refresh is done manually with
records refresh or F9. the only way to get the new data is to close the app
and reopen it.
 
The only difference between this WS and others is that it goes through two
GB switches to get to the BE. The others go through one switch. Any ideas on
why this may be happening?
 
BTW this is not my app but I have access to the source code. The developer
has not been able to figure this out on her own.
 
TIA
John B.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 24 13:54:29 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:54:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 breaks AutoCorrect
In-Reply-To: <012a01c8166c$66fa0700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <C795DE6CAFDE4B2EB96C916D93C30E9B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thanks for the heads up... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:34 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 breaks AutoCorrect

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943519



I'm seeing this one all over this weekend. I'm beginning to think MS can't
fix anything without breaking something else. Woody ought to be in
stitches!!!



SUsan H. 
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Oct 24 14:47:20 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:47:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From greg at worthey.com  Wed Oct 24 15:13:41 2007
From: greg at worthey.com (Greg Worthey)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:13:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>

I live in san diego.

Facts on the So Cal fires:
- has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
- 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
- most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
- 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
- information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
at best. Best mapped info is here:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
- while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
(as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
fighting fires (as if no one could help)
- Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.


While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
all. 

Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
inferno).

So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
(ie. trees and houses).

Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 24 15:22:08 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:22:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <008a01c8167b$8d42c190$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

What part of town do you live in?

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

I live in san diego.

Facts on the So Cal fires:
- has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
- 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
- most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
- 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
- information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
at best. Best mapped info is here:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
- while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
(as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
fighting fires (as if no one could help)
- Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.


While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
all. 

Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
inferno).

So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
(ie. trees and houses).

Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 24 16:12:22 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:12:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <008a01c8167b$8d42c190$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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	<008a01c8167b$8d42c190$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Hi Rocky and Greg,
My son also lives out there.  He and his family were evacuated from La 
Mesa and are "camping out" for the duration at his place of business, 
which is right near the ocean.  I am glad for my son's family's safety 
and for yours.  I am dismayed to have the sort of wild-eyed 
disinformation that Greg refers to being spread and causing panic.  Is 
there anything we can do to help promote rational thinking?
Kindest regards,
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> What part of town do you live in?
>
> Rocky
>  
>
>
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
> Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
> several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
> fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
> at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
> (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
> fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
> suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
> TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
> conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
> western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
> covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
> mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
> picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
> rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
> over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
> all. 
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
> garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
> consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
> hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
> out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
> inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
> frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
> removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
> that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
> (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
> while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 24 16:14:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <003001c81682$d3c03dd0$697aa8c0@M90>

Greg,

I was a (volunteer) firefighter up in Connecticut and completed the
Firefighter 1 training (required to go inside burning buildings).  I also
lived in San Marcos for 15 years (1980-1995) before moving on.  While you
are correct in everything you say it still doesn't paint the full picture.  

The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs.  If these
shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out.  A fully engulfed
home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
can go very quickly.  People caught in those situations can quite easily
die.  Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles
(in brush).  In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you
would think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries;
They can but all too often do not because of the winds.  Thus a single house
on fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV.  A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
the brush around them.  In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
your face.  Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
even heart attacks.  

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives.  Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line.  A
single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
their home with garden hoses.  Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

I live in san diego.

Facts on the So Cal fires:
- has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
- 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
- most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
- 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
- information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
at best. Best mapped info is here:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
- while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
(as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
fighting fires (as if no one could help)
- Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.


While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
all. 

Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
inferno).

So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
(ie. trees and houses).

Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 24 16:29:04 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <471FB536.8010805@torchlake.com>
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	<471FB536.8010805@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no panic
here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks about how
orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the shelters were set
up and run efficiently, and although there were some problems in fighting
the fires, how could there not be, overall I think the operation will be
judged very successful.

I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the street
for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly upwind was a
fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in a
minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the fire
itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems prudent.  

I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single complaint
yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute information.

There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up on it
and judge for yourself.

What was your son's experience with the information and his evacuation?  

And how long can we get away with this thread before the moderators pinch
us?

Rocky

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

Hi Rocky and Greg,
My son also lives out there.  He and his family were evacuated from La Mesa
and are "camping out" for the duration at his place of business, which is
right near the ocean.  I am glad for my son's family's safety and for yours.
I am dismayed to have the sort of wild-eyed disinformation that Greg refers
to being spread and causing panic.  Is there anything we can do to help
promote rational thinking?
Kindest regards,
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> What part of town do you live in?
>
> Rocky
>  
>
>
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google 
> earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, 
> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for 
> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) 
> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, 
> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent 
> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Oct 24 16:34:38 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:34:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <006101c81685$ae1ce5d0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

This is probably not the place to have this discussion, but I can't help but
comment.  

I live in the County of San Diego, in an area that burned in 2003.  Several
of my neighbors lost their homes. Most of the whole community of Crest, just
up the road from me lost their homes.  Several families in Muth Valley lost
members due to lack of warning.  The biggest criticism of how that fire was
handled was that people were not given adequate notice.  I am all for
getting information out and the reverse 911 system is probably the best way
to do it.  We were ready to leave for this fire but our area never got
beyond voluntary evacuation.  From my perspective, living in a fire area,
I'll take all the news I can get.

We can't control the media, but we can thank all the city, county, state
folks who have helped with this event.  If you want to see the extent of the
fires on what I think is one of the best fire reporting maps go to
http://www.kpbs.org/news/fires and click on the interactive fire map.  Great
use of a Google maps mashup.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

I live in san diego.

Facts on the So Cal fires:
- has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
- 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
- most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
- 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
- information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
at best. Best mapped info is here:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
- while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
(as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
fighting fires (as if no one could help)
- Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.


While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
all. 

Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
inferno).

So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
(ie. trees and houses).

Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 24 16:34:50 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:34:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <003001c81682$d3c03dd0$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
	<003001c81682$d3c03dd0$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <471FBA7A.7060805@torchlake.com>

John,
Thanks for your thoughtful and informative discussion. 
Best regards,
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> Greg,
>
> I was a (volunteer) firefighter up in Connecticut and completed the
> Firefighter 1 training (required to go inside burning buildings).  I also
> lived in San Marcos for 15 years (1980-1995) before moving on.  While you
> are correct in everything you say it still doesn't paint the full picture.  
>
> The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
> 70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs.  If these
> shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
> patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out.  A fully engulfed
> home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
> can go very quickly.  People caught in those situations can quite easily
> die.  Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles
> (in brush).  In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you
> would think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries;
> They can but all too often do not because of the winds.  Thus a single house
> on fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.
>
> Watch the TV.  A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
> with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
> down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.
>
> Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
> get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
> the brush around them.  In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
> provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
> them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.
>
> I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
> the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
> with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
> withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
> your face.  Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
> will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
> even heart attacks.  
>
> Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
> lives.  Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
> want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line.  A
> single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
> burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
> even for trained professionals.
>
> It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
> from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
> their home with garden hoses.  Personally I don't mind if idiots die
> (cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
> rescue the idiots.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
> Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
> several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
> fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
> at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
> (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
> fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
> suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
> TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
> conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
> western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
> covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
> mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
> picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
> rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
> over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
> all. 
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
> garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
> consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
> hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
> out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
> inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
> frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
> removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
> that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
> (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
> while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>
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>
>   


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct 24 16:37:48 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:37:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <001a01c8165a$fac9dc60$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000001c81686$234bad50$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Aw shucks you flatterer. The honour would be all ine John.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 24 October 2007 17:29
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
> 
> 
> If I were closer I'd seriously consider it for no other 
> reason than being a business partner with Andy would look 
> good on the 'ol resume' :o)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lembit Soobik
> 
> I understand it is just kind of safetynet, so it might not be 
> necessary at all if the customer doesnt get a problem just 
> when Any is on vacation. Lembit
> 
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> 




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 19:44:48 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:44:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <D625EBC6EB7941689F2BB3367A1FDF29@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<D625EBC6EB7941689F2BB3367A1FDF29@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <002301c816a0$3eb46f90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

SQL Server would be ideal for this site as they have 3 other apps running on
it. But alas:
#1) I don't think the developer can do SQL
#2.) I don't have time to rewrite this app for them
Big #3) they wouldn't want to pay for it

:o) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

Unfortunately, I can not be of much help with this but have experienced this
condition for years with a large variety of 'bound' Access sites.

Traditionally, if given the mandate, I convert the site to 'unbound' with a
MS SQL BE and the client has never had that problem afterwards.




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 19:44:48 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:44:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <002101c81666$0c4c6e70$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<002101c81666$0c4c6e70$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002401c816a0$3ef98ee0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Thanks for the suggestion. I keep that stuff up to par. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby

I would look first at service pack stuff, both windows and office. 




From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 24 20:50:46 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:50:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim:

You have done a very good job... It has a very nice layout and feel to it.

Regards
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 24 21:44:15 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:44:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21><008a01c8167b$8d42c190
	$0301a8c0@HAL9005><471FB536.8010805@torchlake.com>
	<009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <472002FF.1070604@torchlake.com>

Hi Rocky,

My son Doug said that the smoke was a real factor.  I don't think he has 
a problem, either, with leaving the house until it is safe to come back.

My response to Greg took his information at face value.  I am not on the 
scene and cannot judge.  From what you and John Colby have since 
explained, I agree that the measures taken are rational.

I want all of you, my friends and my family, to be safe and to get 
through this very scary fire.

Kindest regards,
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no panic
> here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks about how
> orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the shelters were set
> up and run efficiently, and although there were some problems in fighting
> the fires, how could there not be, overall I think the operation will be
> judged very successful.
>
> I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
> outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the street
> for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly upwind was a
> fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
> you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in a
> minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the fire
> itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems prudent.  
>
> I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single complaint
> yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute information.
>
> There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
> makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
> bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up on it
> and judge for yourself.
>
> What was your son's experience with the information and his evacuation?  
>
> And how long can we get away with this thread before the moderators pinch
> us?
>
> Rocky
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> Hi Rocky and Greg,
> My son also lives out there.  He and his family were evacuated from La Mesa
> and are "camping out" for the duration at his place of business, which is
> right near the ocean.  I am glad for my son's family's safety and for yours.
> I am dismayed to have the sort of wild-eyed disinformation that Greg refers
> to being spread and causing panic.  Is there anything we can do to help
> promote rational thinking?
> Kindest regards,
> Tina
>
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>   
>> What part of town do you live in?
>>
>> Rocky
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  	
>> 	
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
>> Worthey
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>>
>> I live in san diego.
>>
>> Facts on the So Cal fires:
>> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
>> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
>> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
>> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
>> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
>> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
>> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
>> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
>> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
>> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google 
>> earth)
>> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
>> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
>> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
>> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, 
>> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
>> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
>> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>>
>>
>> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
>> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
>> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for 
>> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) 
>> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
>> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
>> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
>> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>>
>> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
>> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
>> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, 
>> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
>> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
>> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
>> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>>
>> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
>> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
>> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
>> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent 
>> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>>
>> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
>> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 24 23:21:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:21:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <472002FF.1070604@torchlake.com>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21><008a01c8167b$8d42c190$0301a8c0@HAL9005><471FB536.8010805@torchlake.com><009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<472002FF.1070604@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <00d901c816be$7ae870b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Well, everybody has only their personal experience.  So everybody sees it
differently.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

Hi Rocky,

My son Doug said that the smoke was a real factor.  I don't think he has a
problem, either, with leaving the house until it is safe to come back.

My response to Greg took his information at face value.  I am not on the
scene and cannot judge.  From what you and John Colby have since explained,
I agree that the measures taken are rational.

I want all of you, my friends and my family, to be safe and to get through
this very scary fire.

Kindest regards,
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no 
> panic here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and 
> weeks about how orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how 
> the shelters were set up and run efficiently, and although there were 
> some problems in fighting the fires, how could there not be, overall I 
> think the operation will be judged very successful.
>
> I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't 
> go outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the 
> street for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly
upwind was a
> fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
> you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn 
> in a minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by 
> the fire itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems
prudent.
>
> I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single 
> complaint yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute
information.
>
> There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong 
> - makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to 
> be a bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to 
> read up on it and judge for yourself.
>
> What was your son's experience with the information and his evacuation?  
>
> And how long can we get away with this thread before the moderators 
> pinch us?
>
> Rocky
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris 
> Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> Hi Rocky and Greg,
> My son also lives out there.  He and his family were evacuated from La 
> Mesa and are "camping out" for the duration at his place of business, 
> which is right near the ocean.  I am glad for my son's family's safety and
for yours.
> I am dismayed to have the sort of wild-eyed disinformation that Greg 
> refers to being spread and causing panic.  Is there anything we can do 
> to help promote rational thinking?
> Kindest regards,
> Tina
>
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>   
>> What part of town do you live in?
>>
>> Rocky
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  	
>> 	
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
>> Worthey
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>>
>> I live in san diego.
>>
>> Facts on the So Cal fires:
>> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
>> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
>> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
>> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
>> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
>> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
>> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
>> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
>> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
>> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
>> earth)
>> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
>> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
>> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
>> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on 
>> Malibu, tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
>> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
>> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>>
>>
>> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
>> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
>> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy 
>> for wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and 
>> underreaction) re people. The news picks the most impressive clips 
>> (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno), rather than the 
>> prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image over and 
>> over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>>
>> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
>> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
>> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the 
>> spot, before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of 
>> course, but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and 
>> a quick garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later 
>> can only try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>>
>> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
>> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
>> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
>> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to 
>> prevent spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>>
>> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
>> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 25 01:46:53 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:46:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <002301c816a0$3eb46f90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <C1B1DC5D6D4B41F4ABDC3446DB91E792@creativesystemdesigns.com>

John it looks like a Strike three situation...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

SQL Server would be ideal for this site as they have 3 other apps running on
it. But alas:
#1) I don't think the developer can do SQL
#2.) I don't have time to rewrite this app for them
Big #3) they wouldn't want to pay for it

:o) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

Unfortunately, I can not be of much help with this but have experienced this
condition for years with a large variety of 'bound' Access sites.

Traditionally, if given the mandate, I convert the site to 'unbound' with a
MS SQL BE and the client has never had that problem afterwards.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 25 01:58:20 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:58:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <86BEC5781B124571B969B53FAE9A7A08@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim:

I just looked down further in your email and noticed the questions you had
posed. I have done a number of wed sites that use databases but have never
attempted the challenge with an Access DB. I have always used on the many
SQL databases and have never had that problem. What sort of WebServer are
you using? IIS or Apache?

A WebServer and a real SQL DB should be able to manage/queue multiple calls
with ease. Here is a website that has a group of tools for stress testing
web sites: http://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From greg at worthey.com  Thu Oct 25 08:52:28 2007
From: greg at worthey.com (Greg Worthey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:52:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c8170e$4986ef60$1901a8c0@wsp21>

John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should stand
in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house has any
significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a firestorm, get
out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases, homes are lost (AND
infernos grew into being) simply because no one was there to hold back small
incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing. Certainly some people stay
far too long and sometimes die--that is an error in judgment. But so is
calling everyone with a garden hose an idiot. Situations vary, but the vast
majority were FAR from any danger (much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2 million
from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4 old
people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes have
costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing happened
just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It seems they spent
all their money on the database to evac the world, and none training
volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed), the
real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions eagerly
buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems. Way too much
reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out fires. There's wasn't
even anyone left to piece together a picture of where the fires were
raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg


------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

...
The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs.  If these
shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out.  A fully engulfed
home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
can go very quickly.  People caught in those situations can quite easily
die.  Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles
(in brush).  In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you
would think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries;
They can but all too often do not because of the winds.  Thus a single house
on fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV.  A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
the brush around them.  In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
your face.  Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
even heart attacks.  

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives.  Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line.  A
single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
their home with garden hoses.  Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 08:54:33 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:54:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al> <F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


Thanks!
Any advice on how to prevent users from getting file busy errors?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

You have done a very good job... It has a very nice layout and feel to
it.

Regards
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 08:55:40 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:55:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
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Thanks
Jim hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

I just looked down further in your email and noticed the questions you
had
posed. I have done a number of wed sites that use databases but have
never
attempted the challenge with an Access DB. I have always used on the
many
SQL databases and have never had that problem. What sort of WebServer
are
you using? IIS or Apache?

A WebServer and a real SQL DB should be able to manage/queue multiple
calls
with ease. Here is a website that has a group of tools for stress
testing
web sites: http://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 09:15:09 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:15:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Message-ID: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. Please
take this to OT if you want to continue.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Date: 25/10/07 13:59


John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should stand
in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house has any
significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a firestorm, get
out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases, homes are lost (AND
infernos grew into being) simply because no one was there to hold back small
incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing. Certainly some people stay
far too long and sometimes die--that is an error in judgment. But so is
calling everyone with a garden hose an idiot. Situations vary, but the vast
majority were FAR from any danger (much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2 million
from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4 old
people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes have
costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing happened
just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It seems they spent
all their money on the database to evac the world, and none training
volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed), the
real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions eagerly
buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems. Way too much
reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out fires. There's wasn't
even anyone left to piece together a picture of where the fires were
raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg


------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

....
The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs. If these
shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out. A fully engulfed
home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
can go very quickly. People caught in those situations can quite easily
die. Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles
(in brush). In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you
would think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries;
They can but all too often do not because of the winds. Thus a single house
on fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV. A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
the brush around them. In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
your face. Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
even heart attacks.

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives. Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line. A
single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
their home with garden hoses. Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Oct 25 09:21:47 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:21:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <0bd901c81712$60cc96d0$066fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Jim:

How are you connecting to the db? Basically, what type of connection string
are you using? (DSNLESS, OBDC, ADO, OLEDB, etc.)

I've run sites off Access and generally haven't had any problems. You want
to make sure your recordsets only pull the data you need (avoid the "select
* from tblproduct" type statements).

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend


Thanks!
Any advice on how to prevent users from getting file busy errors?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

You have done a very good job... It has a very nice layout and feel to it.

Regards
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off the
shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access serves
as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if two users
click on the same product link at the same time one will get a "file in use"
error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous shoppers (hey I can
dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a function of Access and c) is
there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale

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If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 25 09:24:47 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:24:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703A8B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Thanks, Andy.  It was time for that.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's
hat on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low
side. Please take this to OT if you want to continue.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Date: 25/10/07 13:59


John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should
stand in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house
has any significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a
firestorm, get out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases,
homes are lost (AND infernos grew into being) simply because no one was
there to hold back small incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing.
Certainly some people stay far too long and sometimes die--that is an
error in judgment. But so is calling everyone with a garden hose an
idiot. Situations vary, but the vast majority were FAR from any danger
(much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than
lose lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2
million from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note
that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4
old people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes
have costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing
happened just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It
seems they spent all their money on the database to evac the world, and
none training volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed),
the real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions
eagerly buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems.
Way too much reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out
fires. There's wasn't even anyone left to piece together a picture of
where the fires were raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg


------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

....
The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in
the 70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs. If
these shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and
once a patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out. A fully
engulfed home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire
neighborhoods can go very quickly. People caught in those situations can
quite easily die. Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards
or even miles (in brush). In fact this is exactly how they jump the
freeways which you would think would act as natural firebreaks and
create natural boundaries; They can but all too often do not because of
the winds. Thus a single house on fire can "cause" another house
hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV. A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home
fire with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control
and wet down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because
they get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them
and catches the brush around them. In fact firemen fighting brush fires
are often provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives
by allowing them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a
fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have
done the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training
buildings with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits
designed to withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2
inches in front of your face. Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed
burning neighborhood will die, if not from the flames and heat, then
from smoke inhalation or even heart attacks.

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than
lose lives. Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the
idiots that want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the
fire line. A single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire
or an entire burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn
deadly in seconds, even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people
die from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to
save their home with garden hoses. Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:03:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:03:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <00b301c8170e$4986ef60$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00b301c8170e$4986ef60$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <007901c81718$2f37d020$697aa8c0@M90>

Greg,

Give me a break!  If you evacuate a million people, then how can you say
"the only casualties were... " when you may very well have evacuated
hundreds of "would have been" casualties.  That is a non sequitur.  

The decisions to evacuate an area are not made in a vacuum.  There are
people trying to make these decisions based on information like the current
size of the fire, direction and speed of the wind, the current location of
fire crews, the number of trained firemen and equipment available,
evacuation routes, available police, available medics and other trained
emergency crews etc.  If they evacuate 1 million people, 1 million people
are inconvenienced.  If they make the wrong decision, people can and DO die!
Hmmm... inconvenience... death... inconvenience... death...

If asked to leave, people have no business staying behind.  Fighting fires
is not the job of the guy next door.  It is a dangerous, even deadly job.
How many of the million evacuated would have been deaths just because they
were 90 years old and couldn't breath the smoke without dying.  How many of
the eight who actually died would have died anyway from just being there
breathing smoke?  How many would have died staying behind to take care of
them when the fire jumped an entire neighborhood and ended up burning their
rest home to the ground?  Just because it didn't happened doesn't mean it
couldn't happen.

And precisely right, why not 10 million or 100 million?  Who makes that
decision?  How many houses might burn to the ground because you did not
evacuate a neighborhood until too late and then the equipment could not get
in because of traffic jams of people trying to get out?  And who should
stay?  I assume the women and children should leave?  But wait, no cars for
the poor guys to get out when the time comes?  Oh, I understand, we could
organize bus routes to run this "volunteer corp" of yours around eh?
Brilliant idea I must admit.  I kinda wish I had thought of it! 8-(

And how long should the men stay?  Until the fire is in the block behind
them?  Two blocks away?  A half mile away?  But wait, if the fire is in the
block next door isn't that exactly when you would be most value putting out
the "small incipient fires" caused by embers raining down?  But wait, if the
fire is just two houses away NOW is exactly when you would be of the most
value because of the embers raining down, right?  

Now, TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOU!!!  Of the 100 adult males in the blocks around
you how many would DIE OF A HEART ATTACK from ANY physical exertion?  So
let's ask every adult male to stick around and lose 1 out of 100 of them to
heart attacks.  Hmmm... if you assume out of 1 million people evacuated AT
LEAST 100K of them would be "adult males able to fight fires" and you assume
just 1 percent of them have heart attacks because they are just not
physically capable of doing the job.... hm... that is 1 THOUSAND heart
attack victims (or "only" 100?  or "only" 10?).  But wait, we could arrange
screening facilities in the middle of every block... to decide who stays and
goes...  OK, everybody, line up over there... let's get your blood
pressure... hmm.. could you do even 10 pushups for me to demonstrate that
you can do ANYTHING?

I have to assume from your "tone of voice" that you have ready scientific
answers to this question?  I also assume that you were right down there
offering your scientifically proofed advice to the "idiots" running the
show?  And of course I have to ask, how vocal would you be about the idiotic
decision NOT to evacuate when a hundred people die that should have been
evacuated.  And finally, how many of those who died because they were NOT
forced to evacuate would the family have won 100 million dollar law suits
against the city for the "idiotic decision" not to evacuate them?

I repeat, it is easy to second guess, and it is easy to ridicule the efforts
of those who are put on the spot to make those decisions.  I highly
recommend that YOU spend the many hours to go get training to be a fireman
and YOU go do it and then come back and repeat your remarks.  Tell me that
YOU are an expert on these matters and then your opinions will be highly
valued, until then they are just ridicule of people doing a lot of different
jobs that you quite obviously know nothing about.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should stand
in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house has any
significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a firestorm, get
out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases, homes are lost (AND
infernos grew into being) simply because no one was there to hold back small
incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing. Certainly some people stay
far too long and sometimes die--that is an error in judgment. But so is
calling everyone with a garden hose an idiot. Situations vary, but the vast
majority were FAR from any danger (much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2 million
from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4 old
people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes have
costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing happened
just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It seems they spent
all their money on the database to evac the world, and none training
volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed), the
real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions eagerly
buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems. Way too much
reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out fires. There's wasn't
even anyone left to piece together a picture of where the fires were
raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:10:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:10:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90>

Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. Please
take this to OT if you want to continue.

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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Date: 25/10/07 13:59


John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should stand
in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house has any
significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a firestorm, get
out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases, homes are lost (AND
infernos grew into being) simply because no one was there to hold back small
incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing. Certainly some people stay
far too long and sometimes die--that is an error in judgment. But so is
calling everyone with a garden hose an idiot. Situations vary, but the vast
majority were FAR from any danger (much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2 million
from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4 old
people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes have
costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing happened
just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It seems they spent
all their money on the database to evac the world, and none training
volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed), the
real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions eagerly
buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems. Way too much
reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out fires. There's wasn't
even anyone left to piece together a picture of where the fires were
raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg


------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

....
The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs. If these
shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out. A fully engulfed
home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
can go very quickly. People caught in those situations can quite easily die.
Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles (in
brush). In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you would
think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries; They
can but all too often do not because of the winds. Thus a single house on
fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV. A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
the brush around them. In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
your face. Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
even heart attacks.

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives. Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line. A
single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
their home with garden hoses. Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 10:13:18 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:13:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <0bd901c81712$60cc96d0$066fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al><F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com><FBEA4C39D79
	34A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local> 
	<0bd901c81712$60cc96d0$066fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF70@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I'll dig into the web developer's code and let you know. I have no
experience with asp so at the moment I am clueless.
Jim hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

How are you connecting to the db? Basically, what type of connection
string
are you using? (DSNLESS, OBDC, ADO, OLEDB, etc.)

I've run sites off Access and generally haven't had any problems. You
want
to make sure your recordsets only pull the data you need (avoid the
"select
* from tblproduct" type statements).

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:15:32 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:15:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <008f01c81719$e35b4590$697aa8c0@M90>

They did use a database to decide who to call for evacuation.  Does that
make it Access related?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. Please
take this to OT if you want to continue.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:17:31 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:17:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE:  San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
	<001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <009001c8171a$2a3d5430$697aa8c0@M90>

Rocky, I was SERIOUSLY worried that our Southern California AccessD
conference location was in danger.  Oh yea, and that you and your family
were safe as well...

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to evacuate.  Didn't
know if the fires would get to the coast but it was predicted.  There's
really no way to stop a fire in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters
can't go up.  It came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al
the maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/

It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 and 10 percent.
Bu, unless something changes radically, we're going to unpack today.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 10:30:20 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:30:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Message-ID: <20071025153025.CA75F2DFDF6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

ROTFL. 11/10 for cheek.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Date: 25/10/07 15:21


They did use a database to decide who to call for evacuation. Does that
make it Access related?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.

8-(


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. Please
take this to OT if you want to continue.

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Oct 25 10:30:56 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:30:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90>
	<008f01c81719$e35b4590$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <02ca01c8171c$0af83160$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Backyard barbeque with Greg and John, anyone?

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective


> They did use a database to decide who to call for evacuation.  Does that
> make it Access related?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
>
> Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.
>
> 8-(
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
>
> Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
> on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. 
> Please
> take this to OT if you want to continue.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:51:18 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:51:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <02ca01c8171c$0af83160$0202a8c0@Laptop>
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk><008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90><008f01c81719$e35b4590$697aa8c0@M90>
	<02ca01c8171c$0af83160$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <009c01c8171e$e2a63420$697aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.  Who is being BBQd? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Backyard barbeque with Greg and John, anyone?

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective


> They did use a database to decide who to call for evacuation.  Does that
> make it Access related?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
>
> Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.
>
> 8-(
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
>
> Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
> on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. 
> Please
> take this to OT if you want to continue.
>
> --
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> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 25 10:55:34 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:55:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE:  San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <009001c8171a$2a3d5430$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90><001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<009001c8171a$2a3d5430$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Yeah, AOK today (if I can impose on the moderator for one more update).
Worse air quality this morning, very smoky.  Fires are burning towards the
east as the Santa Ana has broken down.  Big fires in Camp Pendleton and
Mount Palomar. Some homes in Rancho Santa Fe burned - just east of us.  But
we're not in any danger of burning now.  There's a lot of coverage including
a lots of video on line if people are interested.   

The local paper: http://www.signonsandiego.com/
CBS affiliate: http://www.cbs8.com/
NBC affiliate: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/index.html probably the best for
pictures and video.

I'd like to thank everybody who asked on-line and off-line about us, for
your concern and your prayers.  

(OK, Andy, I'm done.)

Best to all

Rocky

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires

Rocky, I was SERIOUSLY worried that our Southern California AccessD
conference location was in danger.  Oh yea, and that you and your family
were safe as well...

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to evacuate.  Didn't
know if the fires would get to the coast but it was predicted.  There's
really no way to stop a fire in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters
can't go up.  It came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al
the maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/

It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 and 10 percent.
Bu, unless something changes radically, we're going to unpack today.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From joeo at appoli.com  Thu Oct 25 11:11:52 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:11:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA05E88F@exch1.Onappsad.net>

Jim,

Is the database opened in shared or exclusive mode?  Be sure that it is
shared.  From the database window, click on Options then select the
Advanced tab.  The Default Open Mode should be set to Shared.

Joe O'Connell

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From greg at worthey.com  Thu Oct 25 11:30:18 2007
From: greg at worthey.com (Greg Worthey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:30:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
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Rocky,

To kick a million people from their homes when less than 1% were near any
actual danger, I call that panic. Orderly panic, even cheerful panic, but
panic nonetheless. The largest evacuation in California history.

It sounds like you were uncomfortable with the air quality, anxious to
leave, and didn't need an order. I support your right to evacuate any time
you wish. But if fire is several miles from me, you would support my right
to remain a vigilent non-refugee, right? 

Looking at the updating map that I linked before --
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google 
earth)... The closest that fire came to del mar--and most of the evac'd
areas--was 6 miles. 

I've been watching the tv coverage most waking hours since early Monday
morning, and they sure paint it like "fire racing"; a "wall of fire",
"firestorm 2007", and showing ad nauseum only the spots of sensational
inferno. In reality, the most any fire moved was a few miles per DAY, in the
windiest mountain conditions. 

As for perspective, it took the news over 24 hours from start before they
showed a rudimentary map of where the fires were. Every authority really
seemed to not know exactly where the fires were, even days later, and not
even recognize a problem in that. FIVE days later, they still show only
these extremely vague colored maps which are misleading in many ways. 1)
they color using a very broad brush, overstating area, 2) the maps are so
grossly undetailed that they don't even label most cities, 3) they give no
indication of fire strength or intensity or speed, and 4) they give no
indication of populated areas (versus unpopulated areas with very little
fuel). It's not easy to find the truthful detail I linked above, and after
all this time, still nobody seems to notice the lack of clarity. That is
scary to me.

This was really really bad for wildlife. For people, it was 99%
over-reaction. In both cases, there was massively insufficient useful
response.

I too have heard few complaints about the record-breaking needless upheaval
and broad-brush sensationalist reporting. Kind of like nailclippers at the
airport. It seems people can't recognize irrational excess and folly
anymore; all too happy to relinquish anything (or everything) for any
reason. Scares me much more than any fire. Where is the perspective!?

I'm glad you and 99% of the million evacuees are unscathed and still with
home & possessions Rocky. I just hope you'll get skeptical enough to notice
how little was done to fight the fires. The firefighters are working
absolutely insane hours, but there are so few of them! This same thing
happened just 4 years ago. Shall we all evacuate en mass every 4 years,
pretend it's the best that could be done, and skip the needed firefighters?
People were screaming about the lack of water drops last time, and then too,
water drops were plentiful in LA since days before anyone even noticed the
lack here. And now from the induced shock of needlessly enforced mass-scale
panic, it seems that everyone is too shellshocked to use critical thinking. 

What was needed here was NOT another database to force people from their
homes (and the massive effort and expense to accommodate them), but rather
some common sense (i.e. reserve firefighters, water-drop planes, and
moderately precise information about where the fires were). We made all
these mistakes (sans the million refugees) just 4 years ago. 

Greg



Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:04 -0700
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no panic
here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks about how
orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the shelters were set
up and run efficiently, and although there were some problems in fighting
the fires, how could there not be, overall I think the operation will be
judged very successful.

I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the street
for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly upwind was a
fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in a
minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the fire
itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems prudent.  

I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single complaint
yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute information.

There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up on it
and judge for yourself.

...

Rocky

 	

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google 
> earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, 
> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for 
> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) 
> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, 
> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent 
> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Oct 25 11:32:54 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:32:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <002301c81724$b18fc530$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

I have done a few ASP sites with Access backends and have not seen that
problem.  Admitedly they aren't high trafic sites, but the connections to
the db are only open for a fraction of a second for each transaction.  Does
the code your using close each connection when a database transaction is
performed?

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend


Thanks!
Any advice on how to prevent users from getting file busy errors?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

You have done a very good job... It has a very nice layout and feel to it.

Regards
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off the
shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access serves
as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if two users
click on the same product link at the same time one will get a "file in use"
error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous shoppers (hey I can
dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a function of Access and c) is
there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 25 11:37:35 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:37:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
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Greg,

You're entitled to your opinions, but the Santa Anas made water drops
impossible a good portion of the time.  Please don't keep THIS fire
burning!  ;0}

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Rocky,

To kick a million people from their homes when less than 1% were near
any actual danger, I call that panic. Orderly panic, even cheerful
panic, but panic nonetheless. The largest evacuation in California
history.

It sounds like you were uncomfortable with the air quality, anxious to
leave, and didn't need an order. I support your right to evacuate any
time you wish. But if fire is several miles from me, you would support
my right to remain a vigilent non-refugee, right? 

Looking at the updating map that I linked before --
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
earth)... The closest that fire came to del mar--and most of the evac'd
areas--was 6 miles. 

I've been watching the tv coverage most waking hours since early Monday
morning, and they sure paint it like "fire racing"; a "wall of fire",
"firestorm 2007", and showing ad nauseum only the spots of sensational
inferno. In reality, the most any fire moved was a few miles per DAY, in
the windiest mountain conditions. 

As for perspective, it took the news over 24 hours from start before
they showed a rudimentary map of where the fires were. Every authority
really seemed to not know exactly where the fires were, even days later,
and not even recognize a problem in that. FIVE days later, they still
show only these extremely vague colored maps which are misleading in
many ways. 1) they color using a very broad brush, overstating area, 2)
the maps are so grossly undetailed that they don't even label most
cities, 3) they give no indication of fire strength or intensity or
speed, and 4) they give no indication of populated areas (versus
unpopulated areas with very little fuel). It's not easy to find the
truthful detail I linked above, and after all this time, still nobody
seems to notice the lack of clarity. That is scary to me.

This was really really bad for wildlife. For people, it was 99%
over-reaction. In both cases, there was massively insufficient useful
response.

I too have heard few complaints about the record-breaking needless
upheaval and broad-brush sensationalist reporting. Kind of like
nailclippers at the airport. It seems people can't recognize irrational
excess and folly anymore; all too happy to relinquish anything (or
everything) for any reason. Scares me much more than any fire. Where is
the perspective!?

I'm glad you and 99% of the million evacuees are unscathed and still
with home & possessions Rocky. I just hope you'll get skeptical enough
to notice how little was done to fight the fires. The firefighters are
working absolutely insane hours, but there are so few of them! This same
thing happened just 4 years ago. Shall we all evacuate en mass every 4
years, pretend it's the best that could be done, and skip the needed
firefighters?
People were screaming about the lack of water drops last time, and then
too, water drops were plentiful in LA since days before anyone even
noticed the lack here. And now from the induced shock of needlessly
enforced mass-scale panic, it seems that everyone is too shellshocked to
use critical thinking. 

What was needed here was NOT another database to force people from their
homes (and the massive effort and expense to accommodate them), but
rather some common sense (i.e. reserve firefighters, water-drop planes,
and moderately precise information about where the fires were). We made
all these mistakes (sans the million refugees) just 4 years ago. 

Greg



Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:04 -0700
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no
panic here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks
about how orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the
shelters were set up and run efficiently, and although there were some
problems in fighting the fires, how could there not be, overall I think
the operation will be judged very successful.

I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the
street for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly
upwind was a
fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn
area
you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in
a minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the
fire itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems
prudent.  

I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single
complaint yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute
information.

There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up
on it and judge for yourself.

...

Rocky

 	

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
> earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu,

> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for

> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction)

> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot,

> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent

> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 25 12:22:05 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:22:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <006e01c8172b$90eea290$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

We can have this debate but you have to join the OT list to do it.  

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Rocky,

To kick a million people from their homes when less than 1% were near any
actual danger, I call that panic. Orderly panic, even cheerful panic, but
panic nonetheless. The largest evacuation in California history.

It sounds like you were uncomfortable with the air quality, anxious to
leave, and didn't need an order. I support your right to evacuate any time
you wish. But if fire is several miles from me, you would support my right
to remain a vigilent non-refugee, right? 

Looking at the updating map that I linked before --
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
earth)... The closest that fire came to del mar--and most of the evac'd
areas--was 6 miles. 

I've been watching the tv coverage most waking hours since early Monday
morning, and they sure paint it like "fire racing"; a "wall of fire",
"firestorm 2007", and showing ad nauseum only the spots of sensational
inferno. In reality, the most any fire moved was a few miles per DAY, in the
windiest mountain conditions. 

As for perspective, it took the news over 24 hours from start before they
showed a rudimentary map of where the fires were. Every authority really
seemed to not know exactly where the fires were, even days later, and not
even recognize a problem in that. FIVE days later, they still show only
these extremely vague colored maps which are misleading in many ways. 1)
they color using a very broad brush, overstating area, 2) the maps are so
grossly undetailed that they don't even label most cities, 3) they give no
indication of fire strength or intensity or speed, and 4) they give no
indication of populated areas (versus unpopulated areas with very little
fuel). It's not easy to find the truthful detail I linked above, and after
all this time, still nobody seems to notice the lack of clarity. That is
scary to me.

This was really really bad for wildlife. For people, it was 99%
over-reaction. In both cases, there was massively insufficient useful
response.

I too have heard few complaints about the record-breaking needless upheaval
and broad-brush sensationalist reporting. Kind of like nailclippers at the
airport. It seems people can't recognize irrational excess and folly
anymore; all too happy to relinquish anything (or everything) for any
reason. Scares me much more than any fire. Where is the perspective!?

I'm glad you and 99% of the million evacuees are unscathed and still with
home & possessions Rocky. I just hope you'll get skeptical enough to notice
how little was done to fight the fires. The firefighters are working
absolutely insane hours, but there are so few of them! This same thing
happened just 4 years ago. Shall we all evacuate en mass every 4 years,
pretend it's the best that could be done, and skip the needed firefighters?
People were screaming about the lack of water drops last time, and then too,
water drops were plentiful in LA since days before anyone even noticed the
lack here. And now from the induced shock of needlessly enforced mass-scale
panic, it seems that everyone is too shellshocked to use critical thinking. 

What was needed here was NOT another database to force people from their
homes (and the massive effort and expense to accommodate them), but rather
some common sense (i.e. reserve firefighters, water-drop planes, and
moderately precise information about where the fires were). We made all
these mistakes (sans the million refugees) just 4 years ago. 

Greg



Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:04 -0700
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no panic
here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks about how
orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the shelters were set
up and run efficiently, and although there were some problems in fighting
the fires, how could there not be, overall I think the operation will be
judged very successful.

I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the street
for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly upwind was a
fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in a
minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the fire
itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems prudent.  

I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single complaint
yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute information.

There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up on it
and judge for yourself.

...

Rocky

 	

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
> earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, 
> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for 
> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) 
> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, 
> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent 
> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 12:42:49 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:42:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE:  San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Rocky, posts about your safety are always on-topic AFAIC. Great to hear
you're ok.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 25 October 2007 16:56
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
> 
> 
> Yeah, AOK today (if I can impose on the moderator for one 
> more update). Worse air quality this morning, very smoky.  
> Fires are burning towards the east as the Santa Ana has 
> broken down.  Big fires in Camp Pendleton and Mount Palomar. 
> Some homes in Rancho Santa Fe burned - just east of us.  But 
> we're not in any danger of burning now.  There's a lot of 
> coverage including
> a lots of video on line if people are interested.   
> 
> The local paper: http://www.signonsandiego.com/
> CBS affiliate: http://www.cbs8.com/
> NBC affiliate: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/index.html probably 
> the best for pictures and video.
> 
> I'd like to thank everybody who asked on-line and off-line 
> about us, for your concern and your prayers.  
> 
> (OK, Andy, I'm done.)
> 
> Best to all
> 
> Rocky
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
> 
> Rocky, I was SERIOUSLY worried that our Southern California 
> AccessD conference location was in danger.  Oh yea, and that 
> you and your family were safe as well...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
> 
> We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to 
> evacuate.  Didn't know if the fires would get to the coast 
> but it was predicted.  There's really no way to stop a fire 
> in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters can't go up.  It 
> came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al the 
> maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/
> 
> It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 
> and 10 percent. Bu, unless something changes radically, we're 
> going to unpack today.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
> 
> For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is 
> burning, tens of square miles of land with thousands of 
> buildings lost already and no end in sight.  The fires have 
> been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can tell.
> 
> Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I 
> understand Rancho Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently 
> is just across the freeway from your neighborhood.  Is there 
> anyone else on the list being affected by this fire?
> 
> Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more 
> than firefighters to put this thing out.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From greg at worthey.com  Thu Oct 25 12:45:21 2007
From: greg at worthey.com (Greg Worthey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:45:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Intelligence subjugated to database computations
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2872.1193328713.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.2872.1193328713.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00d001c8172e$d18b4940$1901a8c0@wsp21>

John,

Truly, your intellect is dizzying. Full of worst-possible assumptions,
reality aside. Please know that you're well in the majority.

"There are people trying to make these decisions based on information like
the current size of the fire, direction and speed of the wind, the current
location of fire crews, the number of trained firemen and equipment
available, evacuation routes, available police, available medics and other
trained emergency crews etc."
That's how it should be, yes. But alas your faith is unrequited. Five days
later, emergency officials still profess shocking ignorance, without
challenge/question. Shockingly understaffed firefighters. No water drops.
Most people are too in awe to question anything. Don't worry, your wild
worst-case imaginings and blind faith is fully in the majority.

"How many of the million evacuated would have been deaths just because they
were 90 years old and couldn't breath the smoke without dying.  How many of
the eight who actually died would have died anyway from just being there
breathing smoke?"
Well, I said five died, not 8, but they had been indoors with filtered air,
before the experts upheaved them. The damage overall is very scattered, and
very slight compared to the panic. 

"And precisely right, why not 10 million or 100 million?  ... How many
houses might burn to the ground because you did not evacuate a neighborhood
until too late and then the equipment could not get in because of traffic
jams of people trying to get out?"
Yeah, perhaps the whole western seaboard should evac, weeks instead of days
in advance, just in case. Airlift to Hawaii! (There were no traffic jams.)
You are normally level-headed, I assume.

"And how long should the men stay?  Until the fire is in the block behind
them?  Two blocks away?  A half mile away?"
People used to be entrusted with judgment; responsible for their own lives.
And people have cars--this is not a flood or a tornado, it's just fire.
Moves slow. Look at the map. Please don't panic John, everything will be ok.

"Of the 100 adult males in the blocks around you how many would DIE OF A
HEART ATTACK from ANY physical exertion?  So let's ask every adult male to
stick around and lose 1 out of 100 of them to heart attacks."
Uh, yeah. Let's lock them inside, and order them not to evacuate. It's
strange how the reactionary panic is supported from so far away, even when
you have less info than we do. Anyone is free to leave whenever they want;
the question is the necessity of forcing people and striking needless fear
and hardship. Reality is, the danger was relatively small and scant compared
to the evac. Believe me, there's no shortage of wild imaginations. Fox &
friends even suggested alqueda was responsible!

"I also assume that you were right down there offering your scientifically
proofed advice to the "idiots" running the show? ... "idiot decision"..."
You used the word idiots, not me. Why are you quoting things I didn't say?
You seem very panicked.

"I repeat, it is easy to second guess, and it is easy to ridicule the
efforts of those who are put on the spot to make those decisions."
I didn't ridicule. I criticized, and rationally. You are ridiculing. 

It's really scary how these sorts of things invoke blind faith in random
unknown officials, and delete the ability for rational conversation. Really,
you're not alone John. I just hope people can regain some common sense
before the next round of fires... or the next duct-tape frenzy... A database
is not the solution for everything.

Greg



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 12:53:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:53:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Intelligence subjugated to database computations
In-Reply-To: <00d001c8172e$d18b4940$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.2872.1193328713.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00d001c8172e$d18b4940$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <00be01c8172f$e8e9b030$697aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL, indeed it is. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Intelligence subjugated to database computations

John,

Truly, your intellect is dizzying. Full of worst-possible assumptions,
reality aside. Please know that you're well in the majority.

"There are people trying to make these decisions based on information like
the current size of the fire, direction and speed of the wind, the current
location of fire crews, the number of trained firemen and equipment
available, evacuation routes, available police, available medics and other
trained emergency crews etc."
That's how it should be, yes. But alas your faith is unrequited. Five days
later, emergency officials still profess shocking ignorance, without
challenge/question. Shockingly understaffed firefighters. No water drops.
Most people are too in awe to question anything. Don't worry, your wild
worst-case imaginings and blind faith is fully in the majority.

"How many of the million evacuated would have been deaths just because they
were 90 years old and couldn't breath the smoke without dying.  How many of
the eight who actually died would have died anyway from just being there
breathing smoke?"
Well, I said five died, not 8, but they had been indoors with filtered air,
before the experts upheaved them. The damage overall is very scattered, and
very slight compared to the panic. 

"And precisely right, why not 10 million or 100 million?  ... How many
houses might burn to the ground because you did not evacuate a neighborhood
until too late and then the equipment could not get in because of traffic
jams of people trying to get out?"
Yeah, perhaps the whole western seaboard should evac, weeks instead of days
in advance, just in case. Airlift to Hawaii! (There were no traffic jams.)
You are normally level-headed, I assume.

"And how long should the men stay?  Until the fire is in the block behind
them?  Two blocks away?  A half mile away?"
People used to be entrusted with judgment; responsible for their own lives.
And people have cars--this is not a flood or a tornado, it's just fire.
Moves slow. Look at the map. Please don't panic John, everything will be ok.

"Of the 100 adult males in the blocks around you how many would DIE OF A
HEART ATTACK from ANY physical exertion?  So let's ask every adult male to
stick around and lose 1 out of 100 of them to heart attacks."
Uh, yeah. Let's lock them inside, and order them not to evacuate. It's
strange how the reactionary panic is supported from so far away, even when
you have less info than we do. Anyone is free to leave whenever they want;
the question is the necessity of forcing people and striking needless fear
and hardship. Reality is, the danger was relatively small and scant compared
to the evac. Believe me, there's no shortage of wild imaginations. Fox &
friends even suggested alqueda was responsible!

"I also assume that you were right down there offering your scientifically
proofed advice to the "idiots" running the show? ... "idiot decision"..."
You used the word idiots, not me. Why are you quoting things I didn't say?
You seem very panicked.

"I repeat, it is easy to second guess, and it is easy to ridicule the
efforts of those who are put on the spot to make those decisions."
I didn't ridicule. I criticized, and rationally. You are ridiculing. 

It's really scary how these sorts of things invoke blind faith in random
unknown officials, and delete the ability for rational conversation. Really,
you're not alone John. I just hope people can regain some common sense
before the next round of fires... or the next duct-tape frenzy... A database
is not the solution for everything.

Greg

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 13:17:47 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:17:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703A94@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703A94@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710251117o36a20122r1b6c34eb249c21f6@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/25/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:

> You're entitled to your opinions, but the Santa Anas made water drops
> impossible a good portion of the time.  Please don't keep THIS fire
> burning!  ;0}

No worries. This thread is now dead.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 13:30:58 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:30:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
References: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710251130h6f9deac8x4bfd215262d14230@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/25/07, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Rocky, posts about your safety are always on-topic AFAIC. Great to hear
> you're ok.

Or any other member for that matter. Well maybe not JC ;) Naw, yea him too :)

It's the editorializing of the other stuff that isn't OK.

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 13:38:23 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:38:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710251130h6f9deac8x4bfd215262d14230@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
	<e04a6c920710251130h6f9deac8x4bfd215262d14230@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c81736$3a0fb580$697aa8c0@M90>

Now c'mon Bryan, where would the list be without my dizzying intellect
(completely void of any grip on reality) and humble opinions full of worst
case assumptions? 

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires

On 10/25/07, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Rocky, posts about your safety are always on-topic AFAIC. Great to 
> hear you're ok.

Or any other member for that matter. Well maybe not JC ;) Naw, yea him too
:)

It's the editorializing of the other stuff that isn't OK.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 25 13:43:14 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:43:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <00c701c81736$3a0fb580$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25><e04a6c920710251130h6f9deac8x4bfd215262d14230@mail.gmail.com>
	<00c701c81736$3a0fb580$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <008601c81736$e72ce0d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dryer, more factual, and much less entertaining.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires

Now c'mon Bryan, where would the list be without my dizzying intellect
(completely void of any grip on reality) and humble opinions full of worst
case assumptions? 

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires

On 10/25/07, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Rocky, posts about your safety are always on-topic AFAIC. Great to 
> hear you're ok.

Or any other member for that matter. Well maybe not JC ;) Naw, yea him too
:)

It's the editorializing of the other stuff that isn't OK.

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Oct 25 14:26:19 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:26:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF70@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE010E@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Something else to keep in mind.  If you are working directly with the
data, you could be locking it up.  That is why my apps pull the data
into classes.  It only touches the data when necessary, everything else
is done through the data stored within classes and collections.  (and be
sure to only use the locks necessary, ie, if you aren't going to change
the data, keep it read only)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I'll dig into the web developer's code and let you know. I have no
experience with asp so at the moment I am clueless.
Jim hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

How are you connecting to the db? Basically, what type of connection
string
are you using? (DSNLESS, OBDC, ADO, OLEDB, etc.)

I've run sites off Access and generally haven't had any problems. You
want
to make sure your recordsets only pull the data you need (avoid the
"select
* from tblproduct" type statements).

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 14:55:09 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:55:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
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Good stuff, thanks
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Something else to keep in mind.  If you are working directly with the
data, you could be locking it up.  That is why my apps pull the data
into classes.  It only touches the data when necessary, everything else
is done through the data stored within classes and collections.  (and be
sure to only use the locks necessary, ie, if you aren't going to change
the data, keep it read only)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I'll dig into the web developer's code and let you know. I have no
experience with asp so at the moment I am clueless.
Jim hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

How are you connecting to the db? Basically, what type of connection
string
are you using? (DSNLESS, OBDC, ADO, OLEDB, etc.)

I've run sites off Access and generally haven't had any problems. You
want
to make sure your recordsets only pull the data you need (avoid the
"select
* from tblproduct" type statements).

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 21:46:45 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:46:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710251946h7d0c51c9v5472f2d8990c2989@mail.gmail.com>

1. What's a legal alien?
2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every two
hours screaming, with a full diaper?

Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too high.
The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got him!"

Arthur


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 25 22:28:56 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:28:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
Message-ID: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
 
Problem 1. )
 
This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen aid) that
basically shows the user a miniature summation of what they have already
entered in a time sheet:
 
SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, tblStaffTime.fldStfID,
tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours,
tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], tlkProgram.fldProgName,
tlkActType.fldActTypeCode
FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType RIGHT JOIN
tblStaffTime ON tlkActType.fldActTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) ON
tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) ON
tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID
WHERE (((tblStaffTime.fldStfID)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]) AND
((tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]));
 
This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of course,
happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
 
I created a separate, identical query and ran it while using the form to try
figure out what is going on. It reacts the same way. The query always works
except when the date is today. I hard coded the date into the query with no
better results.
 
I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
 
 





From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 22:40:46 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:40:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
In-Reply-To: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710252040h32111027w36647a6115b2efed@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps there is time involved.

Try formatting the field and the criteria:
WHERE Format(TimeDate, "dd-mmm-yyyy") =
Format([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate], "dd-mmm-yyyy")

Anita



On 10/26/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
> A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
>
> Problem 1. )
>
> This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen aid) that
> basically shows the user a miniature summation of what they have already
> entered in a time sheet:
>
> SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, tblStaffTime.fldStfID,
> tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours,
> tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], tlkProgram.fldProgName,
> tlkActType.fldActTypeCode
> FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType RIGHT JOIN
> tblStaffTime ON tlkActType.fldActTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) ON
> tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) ON
> tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID
> WHERE (((tblStaffTime.fldStfID)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]) AND
> ((tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]));
>
> This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of course,
> happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
>
> I created a separate, identical query and ran it while using the form to
> try
> figure out what is going on. It reacts the same way. The query always
> works
> except when the date is today. I hard coded the date into the query with
> no
> better results.
>
> I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
>
>
>
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 01:10:52 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:10:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710251946h7d0c51c9v5472f2d8990c2989@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c81796$f6fbced0$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about

A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going deaf." 

The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 

The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow heads."

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 26 October 2007 03:47
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> 1. What's a legal alien?
> 2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking 
> up every two hours screaming, with a full diaper?
> 
> Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 
> feet too high. The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third 
> one said, "We got him!"
> 
> Arthur
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 01:18:51 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:18:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
In-Reply-To: <c5e112ad0710252040h32111027w36647a6115b2efed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801c81798$13abe780$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Hi John
I had the same thought as Anita - I'll bet it's the fact that you're storing
date AND time. Not sure then though why other dates would work but then we
don't know what you know. If it is that though an alternative to Anita's
solution is to wrap Int() around the dates.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> Sent: 26 October 2007 04:41
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query oddity
> 
> 
> Perhaps there is time involved.
> 
> Try formatting the field and the criteria:
> WHERE Format(TimeDate, "dd-mmm-yyyy") = 
> Format([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate], "dd-mmm-yyyy")
> 
> Anita
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/26/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> >
> > I have recently found a couple of issues in an app 
> converted from A97 
> > to A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
> >
> > Problem 1. )
> >
> > This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen 
> aid) that 
> > basically shows the user a miniature summation of what they have 
> > already entered in a time sheet:
> >
> > SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, tblStaffTime.fldStfID, 
> > tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours, 
> > tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], tlkProgram.fldProgName, 
> > tlkActType.fldActTypeCode FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType 
> > RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType RIGHT JOIN tblStaffTime ON 
> > tlkActType.fldActTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) ON 
> > tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) ON 
> > tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID WHERE 
> > (((tblStaffTime.fldStfID)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]) AND 
> > ((tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]));
> >
> > This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of 
> > course, happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
> >
> > I created a separate, identical query and ran it while 
> using the form 
> > to try figure out what is going on. It reacts the same way. 
> The query 
> > always works
> > except when the date is today. I hard coded the date into 
> the query with
> > no
> > better results.
> >
> > I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 26 01:43:09 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:43:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <000d01c81796$f6fbced0$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
References: <29f585dd0710251946h7d0c51c9v5472f2d8990c2989@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01c81796$f6fbced0$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <012901c8179b$78eae990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dad:  I just spent $4800 on the best and very finest, most technologically
advanced hearing aid ever made.
Son:  Really what kind is it?
Dad:  About four thirty.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about

A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going deaf." 

The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 

The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow heads."

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: 26 October 2007 03:47
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> 1. What's a legal alien?
> 2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every 
> two hours screaming, with a full diaper?
> 
> Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too 
> high. The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got 
> him!"
> 
> Arthur
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Fri Oct 26 02:13:33 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:13:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <012901c8179b$78eae990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200710260713.l9Q7DXbw015797@databaseadvisors.com>

3 men walk into a bar

Mmm - you'd think one of them would have seen it


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach
Access Software
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2007 4:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Dad:  I just spent $4800 on the best and very finest, most technologically
advanced hearing aid ever made.
Son:  Really what kind is it?
Dad:  About four thirty.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about

A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going deaf." 

The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 

The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow heads."

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: 26 October 2007 03:47
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> 1. What's a legal alien?
> 2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every 
> two hours screaming, with a full diaper?
> 
> Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too 
> high. The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got 
> him!"
> 
> Arthur
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 26 02:23:12 2007
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:23:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
Message-ID: <7303A459C921B5499AF732CCEEAD2B7F064D1222@craws161660.int.rdel.co.uk>

Or...

A blond goes for a job interview. She sits down in front of the interviewer
who asks her how old she is. The blond takes a calculator out of her
handbag, after a couple of key presses she replies '24.

Next, the interviewer asks her how tall she is. This time she removes a tape
measure from her bag, stands up, and measures her height, reading the tape
she replies '5 ft 4 inches'.

The next question is 'what is your name'. The blond sways her head from side
to side, humming to herself for 15 seconds and then replies 'Cindy'.

Intrigued, the interviewer says 'what were you doing then?'. 'Oh' says the
blond, 'I was running through that song in my head'. 'Song?' said the
interviewer 'What song?'.

'You know' replies the blond, 'the one that goes "Happy birthday to you,
happy birthday to you.......'.

(Apologies to blonds and people named 'Cindy')
Chris Foote
(Hard of hearing statistician) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:11 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about
> 
> A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm 
> going deaf." 
> 
> The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 
> 
> The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with 
> yellow heads."
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 04:39:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:39:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <200710260713.l9Q7DXbw015797@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <012901c8179b$78eae990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<200710260713.l9Q7DXbw015797@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000901c817b4$1afefdd0$697aa8c0@M90>

Nawww, they just stumbled out of the bar across the street. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

3 men walk into a bar

Mmm - you'd think one of them would have seen it


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2007 4:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Dad:  I just spent $4800 on the best and very finest, most technologically
advanced hearing aid ever made.
Son:  Really what kind is it?
Dad:  About four thirty.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about

A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going deaf." 

The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 

The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow heads."

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: 26 October 2007 03:47
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> 1. What's a legal alien?
> 2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every 
> two hours screaming, with a full diaper?
> 
> Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too 
> high. The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got 
> him!"
> 
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 05:03:20 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:03:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
In-Reply-To: <001801c81798$13abe780$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
References: <c5e112ad0710252040h32111027w36647a6115b2efed@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801c81798$13abe780$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710260303i54ec0165s38d85534c8fec8b@mail.gmail.com>

I agree. If your form is asking for just the date, then you should revise
the code to compare against just the date portion of the SQL column. Here's
a function that does this:

>code>
CREATE FUNCTION [dbo].[JustDate_fn]
  ( @date datetime )
RETURNS varchar(10)
AS
BEGIN
  RETURN ( CONVERT(varchar(10), at date,101) )
END
<./code>

While I'm at it, here's a function that returns just the time portion of a
SQL datetime column:

<code>
CREATE FUNCTION [dbo].[JustTime_fn]
  ( @fDate datetime )
RETURNS varchar(10)
AS
BEGIN
  RETURN ( CONVERT(varchar(7),right(@fDate,7),101) )
END
</code>

hth,
Arthur

On 10/26/07, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi John
> I had the same thought as Anita - I'll bet it's the fact that you're
> storing
> date AND time. Not sure then though why other dates would work but then we
> don't know what you know. If it is that though an alternative to Anita's
> solution is to wrap Int() around the dates.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> > Sent: 26 October 2007 04:41
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query oddity
> >
> >
> > Perhaps there is time involved.
> >
> > Try formatting the field and the criteria:
> > WHERE Format(TimeDate, "dd-mmm-yyyy") =
> > Format([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate], "dd-mmm-yyyy")
> >
> > Anita
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/26/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have recently found a couple of issues in an app
> > converted from A97
> > > to A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
> > >
> > > Problem 1. )
> > >
> > > This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen
> > aid) that
> > > basically shows the user a miniature summation of what they have
> > > already entered in a time sheet:
> > >
> > > SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, tblStaffTime.fldStfID,
> > > tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours,
> > > tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], tlkProgram.fldProgName,
> > > tlkActType.fldActTypeCode FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType
> > > RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType RIGHT JOIN tblStaffTime ON
> > > tlkActType.fldActTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) ON
> > > tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) ON
> > > tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID WHERE
> > > (((tblStaffTime.fldStfID)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]) AND
> > > ((tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]));
> > >
> > > This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of
> > > course, happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
> > >
> > > I created a separate, identical query and ran it while
> > using the form
> > > to try figure out what is going on. It reacts the same way.
> > The query
> > > always works
> > > except when the date is today. I hard coded the date into
> > the query with
> > > no
> > > better results.
> > >
> > > I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Fri Oct 26 06:28:33 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:28:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3001.1193393006.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>

I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating 
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access 
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just 
start importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first 
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP), 
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 07:49:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:49:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
References: <7303A459C921B5499AF732CCEEAD2B7F064D1222@craws161660.int.rdel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005d01c817ce$c1facc80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than 
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this 
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can 
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to 
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.

> Or...
>
> A blond goes for a job interview. She sits down in front of the 
> interviewer
> who asks her how old she is. The blond takes a calculator out of her
> handbag, after a couple of key presses she replies '24.
>
> Next, the interviewer asks her how tall she is. This time she removes a 
> tape
> measure from her bag, stands up, and measures her height, reading the tape
> she replies '5 ft 4 inches'.
>
> The next question is 'what is your name'. The blond sways her head from 
> side
> to side, humming to herself for 15 seconds and then replies 'Cindy'.
>
> Intrigued, the interviewer says 'what were you doing then?'. 'Oh' says the
> blond, 'I was running through that song in my head'. 'Song?' said the
> interviewer 'What song?'.
>
> 'You know' replies the blond, 'the one that goes "Happy birthday to you,
> happy birthday to you.......'.
>
> (Apologies to blonds and people named 'Cindy')
> Chris Foote
> (Hard of hearing statistician)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:11 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>>
>>
>> Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about
>>
>> A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm
>> going deaf."
>>
>> The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?"
>>
>> The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with
>> yellow heads."
>>
>> -- Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 07:50:38 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:50:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
References: <OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <006001c817ce$d21766f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

The number of blank lines won't deviate?

Susan H.


>I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
> system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access
> to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just
> start importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
> 65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP),
> and am using VBA, of course.



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 07:59:36 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:59:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <005d01c817ce$c1facc80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00b401c817d0$107ad160$8119fea9@LTVM>

Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.

> Or...
>
> A blond goes for a job interview. She sits down in front of the 
> interviewer who asks her how old she is. The blond takes a calculator 
> out of her handbag, after a couple of key presses she replies '24.
>
> Next, the interviewer asks her how tall she is. This time she removes 
> a tape measure from her bag, stands up, and measures her height, 
> reading the tape she replies '5 ft 4 inches'.
>
> The next question is 'what is your name'. The blond sways her head 
> from side to side, humming to herself for 15 seconds and then replies 
> 'Cindy'.
>
> Intrigued, the interviewer says 'what were you doing then?'. 'Oh' says 
> the blond, 'I was running through that song in my head'. 'Song?' said 
> the interviewer 'What song?'.
>
> 'You know' replies the blond, 'the one that goes "Happy birthday to 
> you, happy birthday to you.......'.
>
> (Apologies to blonds and people named 'Cindy') Chris Foote (Hard of 
> hearing statistician)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:11 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>>
>>
>> Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How 
>> about
>>
>> A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going 
>> deaf."
>>
>> The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?"
>>
>> The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow 
>> heads."
>>
>> -- Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 08:21:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:21:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
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References: <mailman.3001.1193393006.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c817d3$2b0c16d0$697aa8c0@M90>

I do it by opening a file for input and a file for output, read line by
line, count 65 lines, then start writing out to the output file on line 66. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just start
importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP),
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Oct 26 09:02:34 2007
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:02:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BF7B@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Do you know what a boobee is?

It's an insect that hides behinds flowers and scares bees!


p.s.  I try to get my kids to tell their teachers that joke and none of them
will



-----Original Message-----
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com [mailto:max.wanadoo at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.

> Or...
>
> A blond goes for a job interview. She sits down in front of the 
> interviewer who asks her how old she is. The blond takes a calculator 
> out of her handbag, after a couple of key presses she replies '24.
>
> Next, the interviewer asks her how tall she is. This time she removes 
> a tape measure from her bag, stands up, and measures her height, 
> reading the tape she replies '5 ft 4 inches'.
>
> The next question is 'what is your name'. The blond sways her head 
> from side to side, humming to herself for 15 seconds and then replies 
> 'Cindy'.
>
> Intrigued, the interviewer says 'what were you doing then?'. 'Oh' says 
> the blond, 'I was running through that song in my head'. 'Song?' said 
> the interviewer 'What song?'.
>
> 'You know' replies the blond, 'the one that goes "Happy birthday to 
> you, happy birthday to you.......'.
>
> (Apologies to blonds and people named 'Cindy') Chris Foote (Hard of 
> hearing statistician)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:11 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>>
>>
>> Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How 
>> about
>>
>> A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going 
>> deaf."
>>
>> The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?"
>>
>> The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow 
>> heads."
>>
>> -- Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
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From shait at stephenhait.com  Fri Oct 26 09:04:44 2007
From: shait at stephenhait.com (Stephen Hait)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:04:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <00b401c817d0$107ad160$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <005d01c817ce$c1facc80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<00b401c817d0$107ad160$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <bb9d2d1e0710260704s7ca85114q86f89b94a300b7d9@mail.gmail.com>

A cowboy stopped in a wayside tavern for a beer.  When he was ready to
move on, his horse  was gone.  He returned to the tavern and shot a
hole in the ceiling and proclaimed his horse had better be there when
he finished another beer or he might have to do what he done in Texas
-- and he didn't want to have to do what he done in Texas.  His horse
re-appeared and he climbed on -- but the bartender came out and said
he was curious about what he did in Texas.  "I had to walk home."

Stephen


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 26 09:11:55 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:11:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
In-Reply-To: <OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <mailman.3001.1193393006.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W287B946A3E9CE42A8A35A8D2960@phx.gbl>


I have a DB that imports a text file where every other line is blank.  I just run a delete query AFTER the import...to remove the unwanted rows.  
 
Another aproach would be to open the file for input and output and remove lines you don't want.
 
Will the file import without deleting the unwanted rows (as is)?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> From: ewaldt at gdls.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:28:33 -0400> Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing> > I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating > system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access > to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just > start importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first > 65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP), > and am using VBA, of course.> > TIA.> > Thomas F. Ewald> Stryker Mass Properties> General Dynamics Land Systems> > > This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged information. No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act in reliance on it or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, please return this message to the sender and delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Your cooperation is appreciated.> > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From mfisch4 at capex.com.ar  Fri Oct 26 09:18:31 2007
From: mfisch4 at capex.com.ar (MF)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:18:31 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] No Question and several Jokes
In-Reply-To: <bb9d2d1e0710260704s7ca85114q86f89b94a300b7d9@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <005d01c817ce$c1facc80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<00b401c817d0$107ad160$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<bb9d2d1e0710260704s7ca85114q86f89b94a300b7d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200710261418.l9QEIZg8013008@databaseadvisors.com>



Two neighboring farmers cannot stop feuding.

One, out hunting, shoots a duck which falls inside the other's field.

Climbing over the fence, he is stopped by farmer 
#2 who claims the duck as his since it ended up in his field.

After much arguing farmer #2 states that he is 
prepared to settle the matter by the Viking method.

He explains that the method involves kicking each 
other in turn between the legs until one gives up, and the other is the winner.

Farmer #1 agrees reluctantly.

Farmer #2 states that since they are on his land, 
he goes first. Farmer #1 stands with legs apart 
and hands on hips while Farmer #2 takes an 
almighty swing with his foot and sends farmer #1 into the air.

After ten minutes writhing on the ground farmer 
#1 eventually gets to his feet and prepares to take his turn.

Farmer #2 turns and walks away saying " O.K. I give in! You keep the duck!"

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First Kid : "My dad is a doctor."
Second kid : "My dad is a lawyer."
First kid : "Honest?"
Second kid : "No, just regular."

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What do vampires cross the sea in?

Blood vessels!

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Have you heard about the magic tractor?


It turned into a field.



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Did you hear about the farmer who won an award?


He was out standing in his field.


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Zebidiah Zacariah joined the army, before long 
there was a call to war and they all lined up to 
receive their kit. Now because the army did 
everything in alphabetical order Zebidiah Zacariah was always last in line.
Whenhe got to the head of the line for his rifle 
there were none left so the seargent gave him a 
broom and said 'point this at the enemy and yell 
bang bang gun!' Zebidiah wasn't to bright so he 
accepted his broom with glee. The smae thing 
happened in the line for grenades and he was 
given lemons and told 'Hurl these at the enemy 
yelling Boom Boom grenade and youll be right.
He went to war and the battling was fierce, he 
threw his lemons and bang banged on his gun for 
all he was worth. Soon he looked around and 
realized there was only him and a guy from the 
other side left alive, he pulled out his broom 
and yelled'Bang Bang Gun!' but the guy kept on 
coming so he hauled off with his lemons yelling 
'Boom Boom grenade! and still the guy kept on 
coming ...until he was almost right on top of 
Zebidiah and Zebidiah heard him say " Rumble Rumble Tank!"


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A man and a woman were dating. She, being from a 
rather conservative religious background, had 
held back the worldly pleasures that he wanted 
from her so bad. In fact, he had never even seen her naked.

One day, as they driving down the freeway, she 
remarked about his slow driving habits.

"I can't stand it anymore, " she told him. "Look, 
let's play a game. For every 5 miles per hour 
over the speed limit you drive, I'll remove one piece of clothing."

He of course enthusiastically agreed and began speeding up the car.

He reached the 55 MPH mark, so she took off her blouse.

At 60 off came the pants.

At 65 it was her bra and at 70 her panties.

Now seeing her naked for the first time and 
traveling faster than he ever had before, the man 
became very excited and lost control of the car. 
He sweered off the road, over an embankment, and 
wrapped the car around a tree. Luckily for her, 
the girlfriend was thrown clear, but he was 
trapped inside. She tried mightily to pull him free, but alas he was stuck.

"Go to the road and get help, " he said weakly.

"I don't have anything to cover myself with, my 
clothes are all still in the car and I can't reach them! " she replied.

The man felt around, but could only reach one of 
his shoes. "You'll have to put this between your 
legs to cover it up," he told her.

So she did as he said and went up to the road for 
help. Along came a truck driver behind an 
18-wheeler. Seeing a naked, crying woman along 
the road, he naturally pulled over to hear her story.

"My boyfriend! My boyfriend! " she sobed, "He's 
stuck and I can't pull him out!"

The truck driver looking down at the shoe between 
her legs replies, "Ma'am, if he's in that far, I'm afraid he's a goner!


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Q. What do you get if you drop a piano down a mine shaft?


A. A flat minor.


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When Laura was three months pregnant she fell into a deep coma.

Six months later, she awoke and asked the nearest 
doctor about the fate of her baby.

"You had twins, a boy and a girl, and they are both fine," the doctor told her.

"Luckily, your brother named them for you."

"Oh no, not by brother! He's an idiot! What did he call the girl?"

"Denise," the doctor replied.

Thinking that isn't so bad, she asked, "And what did he call the boy?"

The doctor answered, "Denephew."


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Teacher: "What is the outermost part of the tree trunk called?"



Student: "I don't know, sir."



Teacher: "Bark, boy, bark."



Student: "Woof ? Woof!"



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 26 09:31:49 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:31:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
Message-ID: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.




From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Fri Oct 26 09:37:45 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:37:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
In-Reply-To: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB08C@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

The problem is if the table date is a full date with time. If you try
the exact date you will either lose all those dates or 1/2 depending on
when the time occurs. I ran into this against an ORACLE db.  
 
You can do two things

1) This is what I generally use in both straight access to oracle and
passthrus. It works and saves me pain
*   select where the date is one day prior and after
          Where (Tbldt > #03/02/2007# and TblDt < #03/04/2007# ) 
          WHERE tblStaffTime.fldStfID =[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]

           AND (tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate >
([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate] -1)
             and  tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate <
([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate] + 1;

2) use this function FormatDateTime - I tried it against an Access table
and it worked
   *  add an extra column to your query gui without show checked
       *  In the field portion put  FormatDateTime(fldTimeDate, 2)
       *  In the criteria put = [Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate] 
   *  Actual sql should look like 
        *  WHERE tblStaffTime.fldStfID
=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]    
           AND (FormatDateTime(tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate,2) =
([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate])

HTH
Patti      
**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
**************************************************
 

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:29 PM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
> 
> I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted 
> from A97 to A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but 
> fail in A2k3.
>  
> Problem 1. )
>  
> This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen 
> aid) that basically shows the user a miniature summation of 
> what they have already entered in a time sheet:
>  
> SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, 
>        tblStaffTime.fldStfID,  
>        tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, 
>        tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours, 
>        tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], 
>        tlkProgram.fldProgName, 
>        tlkActType.fldActTypeCode 
> FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType 
>                    RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType 
>                       RIGHT JOIN tblStaffTime 
>                       ON tlkActType.fldActTypeID =
tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) 
>                    ON tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID =
tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) 
>                ON tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID 
> WHERE tblStaffTime.fldStfID =[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]    
>    AND tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate =[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]
;
>  
> This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, 
> of course, happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
>  
> I created a separate, identical query and ran it while using 
> the form to try figure out what is going on. It reacts the 
> same way. The query always works except when the date is 
> today. I hard coded the date into the query with no better results.
>  
> I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
>  
>  
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 26 09:46:25 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:46:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who shot
my paw."

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 26 10:08:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:08:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk> <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

That's three legged dog - three --> 3 <--  (darn spell chequer)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who shot
my paw."

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 10:15:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:15:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk> <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001f01c817e2$fe3764b0$697aa8c0@M90>

I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
And I called him my paw and he called me his son
And I come away with a different point of view

Well I think about him every now n then
Every time I try n every time I win
And if I ever have a boy, I think I'll call him...
Bill or George... ANYTHING but Sue


Some country legend or another


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who shot
my paw."

Rocky



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 26 10:17:35 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:17:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk> <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703AC3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 
>>(darn spell chequer)
LOL

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

That's three legged dog - three --> 3 <--  (darn spell chequer)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who
shot my paw."

Rocky
 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 10:21:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:21:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk> <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002b01c817e3$d9d4dc00$697aa8c0@M90>

There aint enough room in this here email for three legs... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

That's three legged dog - three --> 3 <--  (darn spell chequer)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who shot
my paw."

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.


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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Oct 26 10:27:58 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:27:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BF7B@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPKEIIFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I tried to get my son to tell a slightly different version...

What did the ghost say to the bee?     Boobee.

I chuckle just writing it.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:03 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> Do you know what a boobee is?
> 
> It's an insect that hides behinds flowers and scares bees!
> 
> 
> p.s.  I try to get my kids to tell their teachers that joke and 
> none of them
> will





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 11:45:45 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:45:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <014201c817ef$a8779150$8119fea9@LTVM>

This could work.
 
An older, white haired man walked into a jewelry store one Friday evening
with a beautiful young gal at his side.  He told the jeweler he was looking
for a special ring for his girlfriend.
 
The jeweler looked through his stock and brought out a $5,000 ring. The old
man said, "No, I'd like to see something more special."
 
At that statement, the jeweler went to his special stock and brought another
ring over.  "Here's a stunning ring at only $40,000" the jeweler said.  The
young lady's eyes sparkled and her whole body trembled with excitement.  The
old man seeing this said, "We'll take it."
 
The jeweler asked how payment would be made and the old man stated,"by
check. I know you need to make sure my check is good, so I'll write it now
and you can call the bank on Monday to verify the funds and I'll pick the
ring up on Monday afternoon," he said.
 
On Monday morning, the jeweler phoned the old man.  "There's no money in
that account."
 
"I know," said the old man, "But let me tell you about my weekend!
 
Don't mess with Old People.

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct 26 12:54:14 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:54:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
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<This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of course,
happens to be the most usual case in end user experience. ....I'm
running on empty - anyone else have an idea?>

Keep trying until its tomorrow? Sorry I couldn't resist :-)
Jim Hale


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 13:34:09 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:34:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ERP experts for writing job
Message-ID: <005301c817fe$ce867730$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/4/5/453382e3bcb86b1b72a7cdf457de1b49 at endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=writer

====I know some of you are experts in this area. 

Susan H. 

From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 13:54:33 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:54:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE0223@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.

Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was
no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It
is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many
years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats
him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish
Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 13:57:20 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:57:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE0224@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

A hydrogen atom walks into a bar:

Hydrogen Atom:"I think I lost my electron in here."
Bartender:"Are you sure?"
Hydrogen Atom:"I'm positive!"

;)

Drew
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 13:57:57 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:57:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPKEIIFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE0225@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

My daughters first joke was why did the dog drink water?  He didn't want
to become a hot dog.

Drew

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Cummings
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

I tried to get my son to tell a slightly different version...

What did the ghost say to the bee?     Boobee.

I chuckle just writing it.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


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> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> Do you know what a boobee is?
> 
> It's an insect that hides behinds flowers and scares bees!
> 
> 
> p.s.  I try to get my kids to tell their teachers that joke and 
> none of them
> will



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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 14:02:40 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:02:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
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Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE0229@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Egads, that sounds ugly!

Dim i as long
Dim f as long
Dim strArray() as string
Dim strTemp as string	
Dim strFilePath as string
strFilePath="C:\YourImportFile.txt"
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access read as f
strtemp=space(lof(f))
get f,,strtemp
close f
strArray=split(strtemp,vbcrlf)
kill strfilepath
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access write as f
for i=65 to ubound(strarray())
	put f,,strarray(i)
next i
close f


Drew

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I do it by opening a file for input and a file for output, read line by
line, count 65 lines, then start writing out to the output file on line
66. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell
Access
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just
start
importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002
(XP),
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 14:04:13 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:04:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE0223@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <008401c81803$01eeb9d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

You are SO 0 1

Susan H. 


> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
> 
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
> 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 14:20:54 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:20:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <008401c81803$01eeb9d0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE023C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Chr(84) Chr(104) Chr(97) Chr(110) Chr(107) Chr(115)

Chr(68) Chr(114) Chr(101) Chr(119)

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

You are SO 0 1

Susan H. 


> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
> 
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
> 

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 14:22:32 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:22:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
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References: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <01fa01c81805$8eb3f2c0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Thanks to all who responded. The DateTime field was the issue and formatting
it for date only resolved the issue.

Now, why did this work as originally written in A97.




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 14:26:42 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:26:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF7F@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
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	<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF7F@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
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Jim,
This will be my initial response to the customer :o))) 

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<This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of course,
happens to be the most usual case in end user experience. ....I'm running on
empty - anyone else have an idea?>

Keep trying until its tomorrow? Sorry I couldn't resist :-) Jim Hale




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 14:37:52 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:37:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
Message-ID: <020001c81807$b2e13340$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.

Problem 2. )

(Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)

SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between DATE1 -1 and
between DATE2 +1

 

BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it seems to be many
of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 14:42:06 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:42:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE023C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00da01c81808$4d01d5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

There goes that accent again... 

Susan H. 


> Chr(84) Chr(104) Chr(97) Chr(110) Chr(107) Chr(115)
> 
> Chr(68) Chr(114) Chr(101) Chr(119)



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 26 15:12:17 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:12:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
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References: <020001c81807$b2e13340$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
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Someone mentioned this to me yesterday...but it was about A2K2.  I tested on a number field and it WAS inclusive.  Is it related to dates?...or what are the circumstances?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte
> From: john at winhaven.net> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:37:52 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] SQL between> > I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to> A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.> > Problem 2. )> > (Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)> > SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between DATE1 -1 and> between DATE2 +1> > > > BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it seems to be many> of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Oct 26 15:17:06 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:17:06 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
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John,

Can you say more about the context in which you are seeing this problem.

As far as I know, there has been no change in the behaviour of 
Between...And in Access 2003, and it certainly is inclusive for me, in 
query criteria, and in SQL strings constructed in VBA.

Regards
Steve


John Bartow wrote:
> I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
> A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
> 
> Problem 2. )
> 
> (Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)
> 
> SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between DATE1 -1 and
> between DATE2 +1
> 
>  
> 
> BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it seems to be many
> of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?
> 
> 
> 


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 26 15:58:13 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:58:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7206@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Between #10/29/2002# And #11/12/2002# will return different results
depending on whether the underlying field in the table has a time value or
not.

If it does not have a time value, then all date values are implicitly some
date at 12 midnight. So Between #10/29/2002# And #11/12/2002# will return
all the records that have a date of 10/29/2002 to 11/12/2002 inclusive. 

However, if the date field does store a time value as well, explicitly, then
the exact same criterion Between #10/29/2002# And #11/12/2002# has a
different effect.

If will return all records where the date field is 10/29/2002 (at any time
of the day, as we implicitly have asked to start at midnight) up to
11/11/2002, plus any records which just happen to have a date value of
11/12/2002 00:00:00 AM. 

In other words, just any amount of time after midnight on 11/12/2002 is
sufficient to exclude a record from the results. So Between is , and always
has been inclusive, but it always uses the time part of date fields, which
is what trips some people up occasionally. :-)

Lambert

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:38 PM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between


I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.

Problem 2. )

(Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)

SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between DATE1 -1 and
between DATE2 +1

 

BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it seems to be many
of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?



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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Fri Oct 26 16:25:05 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:25:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
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I stopped using the BETWEEN in all my queries using dates about 7 years
ago.  Doesn't matter to me what database  ORACLE, MS SQL, SYBASE,
ACCESS, ETC..   It is safer and more accurate to use.  This way I also
don't mess up going from one to another.

As I said in the query problem before it has to do with a date having
date/time.  A certain "time" during the day will not get selected when
just using a plain date in the where statement.  

WHERE tbldate > day_before_start_dt and tbldate < day_after_End_date
Where tbledate > '31-AUG-2005' and tbldate < '01-OCT-2005' 

What fun
Have a great weekend
Patti
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 03:38 PM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
> 
> I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted 
> from A97 to A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but 
> fail in A2k3.
> 
> Problem 2. )
> 
> (Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)
> 
> SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between 
> DATE1 -1 and between DATE2 +1
> 
>  
> 
> BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it 
> seems to be many of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?
> 
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From robert at webedb.com  Fri Oct 26 16:28:11 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:28:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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At 05:03 AM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:46:45 -0400
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <29f585dd0710251946h7d0c51c9v5472f2d8990c2989 at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>1. What's a legal alien?

My wife and daughter.  Here in the USA from Russia on a
US visa. Legal, but alien to the USA.

>2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every two
>hours screaming, with a full diaper?

or Sleep like the dead, not breathing, cold and starting to decay????


>Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too high.
>The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got him!"


Sounds like an Aggie joke.  :-)


>Arthur




From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct 26 16:59:29 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:59:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: one last  Friday Humor
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF81@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


One more for the road........

Ed was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary. His wife was
really 
angry. She told him "Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a gift in the
driveway 
that goes from 0 to 200 in less than 6 seconds AND IT BETTER BE THERE!" 

The next morning Ed got up early and left for work. When his wife woke
up she 
looked out the window and sure enough there was a box gift-wrapped in
the middle 
of the driveway. Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran out to the 
driveway, and brought the box back in the house. 

She opened it and found a brand new bathroom scale. 
Ed has been missing since Friday. Please pray for him. 



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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 17:18:12 2007
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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:18:12 +0100
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> Subject: [AccessD] OT: one last Friday Humor
> 
> 
> 
> One more for the road........
> 
> Ed was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary. His 
> wife was really 
> angry. She told him "Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a 
> gift in the driveway 
> that goes from 0 to 200 in less than 6 seconds AND IT BETTER 
> BE THERE!" 
> 
> The next morning Ed got up early and left for work. When his 
> wife woke up she 
> looked out the window and sure enough there was a box 
> gift-wrapped in the middle 
> of the driveway. Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran 
> out to the 
> driveway, and brought the box back in the house. 
> 
> She opened it and found a brand new bathroom scale. 
> Ed has been missing since Friday. Please pray for him. 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 17:23:12 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:23:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: one last  Friday Humor
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LOL! 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim

One more for the road........

Ed was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary. His wife was really
angry. She told him "Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a gift in the
driveway that goes from 0 to 200 in less than 6 seconds AND IT BETTER BE
THERE!" 

The next morning Ed got up early and left for work. When his wife woke up
she looked out the window and sure enough there was a box gift-wrapped in
the middle of the driveway. Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran out
to the driveway, and brought the box back in the house. 

She opened it and found a brand new bathroom scale. 
Ed has been missing since Friday. Please pray for him. 




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 17:23:12 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:23:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
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Thanks for the responses to this.

I had actually composed this at the same time as the Query Oddity message. I
believe it probably is a DateTime type issue again. 

I'm now going through all DateTime related items and making sure they
reference the new functions I added which eliminates this issue.

I'll review the rest of my messages concerning my newly found issues before
sending them to the list.

Sorry for the confusion.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 18:12:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:12:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two types,
and those that don't... 


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.

Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

;)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Oct 26 19:34:35 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:34:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and 
jc :)

William

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> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types,
> and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish 
> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 20:16:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:16:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and
jc :)

William

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types,
> and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish 
> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 20:19:04 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:19:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
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LOL, what did you gain with that?  I can (and do) open files of 10 gigabytes
with my method.


John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

Egads, that sounds ugly!

Dim i as long
Dim f as long
Dim strArray() as string
Dim strTemp as string	
Dim strFilePath as string
strFilePath="C:\YourImportFile.txt"
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access read as f
strtemp=space(lof(f))
get f,,strtemp
close f
strArray=split(strtemp,vbcrlf)
kill strfilepath
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access write as f for i=65 to ubound(strarray())
	put f,,strarray(i)
next i
close f


Drew

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I do it by opening a file for input and a file for output, read line by
line, count 65 lines, then start writing out to the output file on line 66. 


John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just start
importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP),
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 20:24:22 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:24:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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Dim c As Colbized

Susan H. 



> ;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.
\


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Oct 28 18:45:57 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:45:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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Don't you mean fizzling, not dizzying?

;)

Drew

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


John W. Colby
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Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
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...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them,
and
jc :)

William

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> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types,
> and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
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>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
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>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger
was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.
It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats
him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish

> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Oct 28 18:46:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:46:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
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I know, just seems ugly... ;)

Drew

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LOL, what did you gain with that?  I can (and do) open files of 10
gigabytes
with my method.


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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

Egads, that sounds ugly!

Dim i as long
Dim f as long
Dim strArray() as string
Dim strTemp as string	
Dim strFilePath as string
strFilePath="C:\YourImportFile.txt"
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access read as f
strtemp=space(lof(f))
get f,,strtemp
close f
strArray=split(strtemp,vbcrlf)
kill strfilepath
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access write as f for i=65 to
ubound(strarray())
	put f,,strarray(i)
next i
close f


Drew

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I do it by opening a file for input and a file for output, read line by
line, count 65 lines, then start writing out to the output file on line
66. 


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Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell
Access
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just
start
importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002
(XP),
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 28 19:43:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:43:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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LOL, I didn't say it.  Just quoting my admirers.

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Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:46 PM
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Don't you mean fizzling, not dizzying?

;)

Drew

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:16 PM
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;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


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Colby Consulting
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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and
jc :)

William

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> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types, and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 28 22:53:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:53:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ERP experts for writing job
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Thanks for the heads up.  Looks like you have to be an Edwards user to
qualify but I sent them my c.v. anyway.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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====I know some of you are experts in this area. 

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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Oct 29 05:31:22 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:31:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subject: Re: Eliminating lines of text before importing
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Mark:

I experimented with this after I posted the message, before receiving any 
answers, and ended up importing and then running a delete query (with null 
for the blank lines, and also deleting some other unwanted lines - e.g., 
totals - that I didn't want to import). I had thought Access would mess up 
the import, since a blank line has no fields (duh), but I created an 
import spec and had Access use that, and it did just fine.

I'd still like to learn how to do it the other way, though, just for my 
own knowledge's sake.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:11:55 +0000
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I have a DB that imports a text file where every other line is blank.  I 
just run a delete query AFTER the import...to remove the unwanted rows.  



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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 06:25:48 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:25:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710290425w9105293y9eef83768d43c3b6@mail.gmail.com>

Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


TIA
Arthur


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Mon Oct 29 06:45:59 2007
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:45:59 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
Message-ID: <7303A459C921B5499AF732CCEEAD2B7F064D1226@craws161660.int.rdel.co.uk>

Hi Arthur!

Depending upon Operating System you may find you'll have to use forward
slashes "/" rather than back slashes "\".

I've had all sorts of games with this on HTML docs on Apache servers.

HTH!
Chris Foote

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> 
> 
> Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which 
> stores (gasp)
> images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the 
> references to
> this directory relative to the home directory but I can't 
> make it work. I've
> tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
> "..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 07:01:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:01:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
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currentapplication.path 


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Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images

Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


TIA
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 07:15:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:15:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
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Sorry Arthur, that should have been 

currentproject.Path 


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currentapplication.path 


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images

Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


TIA
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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Oct 29 08:30:19 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:30:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
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I take this one step further.
I store the name of the image file in a table.  That way I don't have to worry about changing the code to replace the image - all I do is change the field in the table.

I use:
        Images.Picture = Application.CurrentProject.Path & "\images\" & GraphicFile

Images is the name of the image container.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
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Sorry Arthur, that should have been 

currentproject.Path 


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To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relative path for images

currentapplication.path 


John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images

Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


TIA
Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 09:16:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:16:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
Message-ID: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That is
where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the number
of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged one
time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Oct 29 09:33:09 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:33:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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But does that class have error trapping and can it function outside of a
framework? 
Jim Hale 

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them,
and
jc :)

William

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types,
> and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger
was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.
It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats
him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish

> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 29 09:39:28 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:39:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
Message-ID: <s725fece.001@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

It could be: ".\Images\logo.jpg"

Same goes for the icon file of the app: ".\appicon.ico"

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-10-2007 12:25 >>>
Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


TIA
Arthur




From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Oct 29 09:54:03 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:54:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
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I finally was able to check the DB this weekend. It was set to shared
mode. Good thought though, thanks
Jim Hale

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe O'Connell
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Jim,

Is the database opened in shared or exclusive mode?  Be sure that it is
shared.  From the database window, click on Options then select the
Advanced tab.  The Default Open Mode should be set to Shared.

Joe O'Connell

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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:47 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 29 09:59:09 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:59:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
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The only information I have is logic and a long ago session with a SQL
guru.  NOT IN will always be slower because it has to examine ever
record in the dataset to return a value.  IN is faster because it only
needs to examine records until it finds a match.  Of course, if the
match is in the last record, then there's no difference in speed.  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

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Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That
is where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the
PK (or any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all
records "not in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the
number of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in
tblClaimLogged one time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN
tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be
in there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 10:02:18 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:02:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
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If the column being searched for matches is indexed, then SQL builds a
"table" in memory from your IN() clause. If the column is not indexed, SQL
has no choice but to do a full table scan.

A.

On 10/29/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That
> is
> where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
> any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not
> in"
> the outer joined table?
>
> Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
> overhead because of the where clause?
>
> In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
> tblClaim.
> Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the
> number
> of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged
> one
> time.
>
> Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.
> Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.
>
> Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
> records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
> there once.
>
> Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 10:04:37 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:04:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
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References: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
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I clicked Send too quickly. I didn't realize that you wanted so many records
in your NOT IN() clause. For that many rows, I would do the join instead.

Arthur

On 10/29/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That
> is
> where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
> any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not
> in"
> the outer joined table?
>
> Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
> overhead because of the where clause?
>
> In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
> tblClaim.
> Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the
> number
> of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged
> one
> time.
>
> Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.
> Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.
>
> Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
> records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
> there once.
>
> Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 10:17:46 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:17:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
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References: <s725fece.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710290817h16d1823fqc0eb8c860907106@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting. The app is being run in Access 2000, which doesn't support
this. I didn't try it in A2K3 or higher yet.

Thanks, all.
Arthur

On 10/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> It could be: ".\Images\logo.jpg"
>
> Same goes for the icon file of the app: ".\appicon.ico"
>
> /gustav
>


From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Mon Oct 29 10:20:57 2007
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge, Jack: SBMS)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:20:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
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Message-ID: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B0A6A9187@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>

John,
If you are timing queries using IN and Not IN, you may wish to try 
EXISTS and NOT Exists. We have had many queries that were just "too
slow" with IN operator that were speeded up by using Exists.

eg

SELECT claimId 
FROM tblClaim
where NOT EXISTS 
  (select "x" from  tblClaimLogged WHERE tblClaim.claimId =
tblClaimLogged.claimId)
 
Jack

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That
is
where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK
(or
any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not
in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the
number
of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged
one
time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN
tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be
in
there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Mon Oct 29 10:30:02 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:30:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cumulative sum
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDB6@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
I think this should be easy but I can't figure it out.  To simplify, say
you have three fields, ProviderNo, ReportDate, ActiveClients.  So, if
you have 3 months of data for a provider you can create a chart plotting
each month.  Is there a way in a query to get the sum of the 3 months?  
MTIA,
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 29 10:31:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:31:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
Message-ID: <s7260b08.005@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Even more interesting. It works in A97.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-10-2007 16:17 >>>
Interesting. The app is being run in Access 2000, which doesn't support
this. I didn't try it in A2K3 or higher yet.

Thanks, all.
Arthur

On 10/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> It could be: ".\Images\logo.jpg"
>
> Same goes for the icon file of the app: ".\appicon.ico"
>
> /gustav




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 10:43:11 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:43:11 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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Message-ID: <00c301c81a42$69cb3d30$8119fea9@LTVM>

Q. does that class have error trapping
A, Yes - This List
Q. can it function outside of a framework? 
A. Obviously not.

Max


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


But does that class have error trapping and can it function outside of a
framework? 
Jim Hale 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and
jc :)

William

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From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types, and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger
was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.
It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats
him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish

> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 29 10:46:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:46:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
Message-ID: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?  Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 29 11:11:42 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:11:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
Message-ID: <s7261471.008@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

We've always used Help Magican 3.0, a 16 bit program from the days of Access 2.0, to create hlp files. Great program, and on today's equipment it compiles at an incredible speed. You may be able to obtain a copy on Ebay filed under antiques!

But now you have to use the html help file format which I don't like. Others may chime in here with advice.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 29-10-2007 16:46 >>>
Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?  Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 11:20:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:20:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710290804r286975b6r903d611595961cc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
	<29f585dd0710290804r286975b6r903d611595961cc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c81a47$9ecacc30$647aa8c0@M90>

Actually I don't want either.  I am not using an IN() clause, nor NOT IN().
I am using an outer join TableA to TableB with a where clause "some field in
tableB is null".  I call that a "not in" query because it shows you where
records in TableA are "not in" TableB.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

I clicked Send too quickly. I didn't realize that you wanted so many records
in your NOT IN() clause. For that many rows, I would do the join instead.

Arthur

On 10/29/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  
> That is where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set 
> on the PK (or any field really) of the outer joined table to discover 
> all records "not in"
> the outer joined table?
>
> Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more 
> overhead because of the where clause?
>
> In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in 
> tblClaim.
> Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the 
> number of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in 
> tblClaimLogged one time.
>
> Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.
> Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.
>
> Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of 
> the records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can 
> only be in there once.
>
> Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 11:21:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:21:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B0A6A9187@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>
References: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
	<0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B0A6A9187@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <002c01c81a47$b9b9f070$647aa8c0@M90>

Sorry, this is not using an IN() clause in any manner.  See my response to
Arthur. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drawbridge, Jack:
SBMS
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

John,
If you are timing queries using IN and Not IN, you may wish to try EXISTS
and NOT Exists. We have had many queries that were just "too slow" with IN
operator that were speeded up by using Exists.

eg

SELECT claimId
FROM tblClaim
where NOT EXISTS
  (select "x" from  tblClaimLogged WHERE tblClaim.claimId =
tblClaimLogged.claimId)
 
Jack

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That is
where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the number
of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged one
time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 11:21:57 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:21:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <00c301c81a42$69cb3d30$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF84@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<00c301c81a42$69cb3d30$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <002d01c81a47$d4663f50$647aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Q. does that class have error trapping
A, Yes - This List
Q. can it function outside of a framework? 
A. Obviously not.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


But does that class have error trapping and can it function outside of a
framework? 
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


John W. Colby
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and
jc :)

William

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types, and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger
was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.
It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years, I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit 
> and eats
him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish

> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 29 11:25:42 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:25:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
In-Reply-To: <s7260b08.005@cactus.dk>
References: <s7260b08.005@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B04@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I don't know why it wouldn't work in A2k (well, except for the fact that
it IS A2k!) since it's actually a Windows shorthand.  I do recall that
at least some of the versions replaced the relative path for icons and
images with a fixed path somewhere along the ... er, path. LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relative path for images

Hi Arthur

Even more interesting. It works in A97.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-10-2007 16:17 >>>
Interesting. The app is being run in Access 2000, which doesn't support
this. I didn't try it in A2K3 or higher yet.

Thanks, all.
Arthur

On 10/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> It could be: ".\Images\logo.jpg"
>
> Same goes for the icon file of the app: ".\appicon.ico"
>
> /gustav


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 29 12:16:13 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:16:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <06048CA5DE0B48DE9E4B124AC9ECE5FF@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Other than it is the SLOWEST, most resource hungry query there is in the
world of SQL and even running a 'loop' usually is significantly faster.

In one particular situation when adding a huge amount of data, to a table,
creating a unique key (also not usually recommended when adding large
amounts of data) and testing for data collision errors produced a superior
result.

Jim  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That is
where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the number
of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged one
time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 29 12:23:33 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:23:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
In-Reply-To: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001c01c81a50$6ee36000$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Rocky,

Well - I've been trying to use .chm files, and am having bad luck.
Apparently, MS has found a possibility (remote) that a .chm file could have
malicious code in it.  So now to open a .chm file on a company's network
using a hyperlink or using ShellExecute requires that they 'relax' their
security setting a bit.  I haven't been able to find the exact details.  A
.chm file can still be opened directly.

By coincidence, I was going to begin writing a help file today.  But what
I'm going to do is to just create a small web site that can be opened by my
application.  This can contain text, screenshots, links to other files, and
links to short videos I make to show some intricate aspect of the user
interface.  I hope this works!

Good Luck,
Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help

Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?  Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Oct 29 13:01:54 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:01:54 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
In-Reply-To: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000301c81a55$ca8a1b10$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Rocky,

You can try this software:

http://www.helpgenerator.com/downloadacchelp.htm 

It has free trial version and it can generate html help skeleton including
screenshots with hotspots from MS Access 2000-2007 projects. It has also
quite some other goodies useful for HTML help authoring process...

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help

Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?  Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 29 13:12:11 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:12:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
Message-ID: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 


From joeo at appoli.com  Mon Oct 29 13:47:12 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:47:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
References: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3AF4@exch1.Onappsad.net>

Rocky,

Years ago I used Doc-to-Help to create both a manual and help file for a
commercial application.  As I recall, it was essentially a Word template
and macros that allows one document to produce both the manual and help
file.  It has coding built in to be able to mark passages of the
document to be included only in the printed manual or only in the help
file.  It was extremely easy to use and produced very well indexed help
files.  I have not done anything with it lately, but I would assume that
the current version would be much better than what I used.

Joe O'Connell


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help

Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating
the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?
Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 29 13:49:16 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:49:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 29 14:03:43 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:03:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

That will definitely help.  I'll probably define some hot key to trigger the
spell check since the user may want it off - or maybe a check box and use
the enter/exit approach.  

The DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling if call separately, does that normally
run on all the text boxes on the form or just the text box that has the
focus?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 29 14:18:08 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:18:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002401c81a60$70c6d2c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

The code I listed was a little simplified.  In my app I have a User Settings
form.  One of the settings is if a user wants the auto-spellcheck turned on.
That value is stored in a tblPeopleMain field, and it's value is True by
default.

The reason this is only checking a specific field is because all the text in
that field is selected in code.  I've never tried to run acCmdSpelling
without selecting text first!  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

That will definitely help.  I'll probably define some hot key to trigger the
spell check since the user may want it off - or maybe a check box and use
the enter/exit approach.  

The DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling if call separately, does that normally
run on all the text boxes on the form or just the text box that has the
focus?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Mon Oct 29 16:31:33 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:31:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cumulative sum
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDB6@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDB6@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB0A3@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

Ed
It depends on how the ReportDate is created. Is it a full real date or
say just the beginning of each month.  Do you want each month summed or
all three together?  Is ActiveClients a count or Indicator?

I assume this is Access gui
1) IF real date and want each month and ActiveClients is count
    SELECT  ProviderNo,
            FORMAT(ReportDate,"MM/YYYY") as RptDt,
                         or FORMAT(ReportDate, "MM/01/YYYY"
            SUM(ActiveClients) as ActClient
    FROM Tbl1
    GROUP BY ProviderNo,
             FORMAT(ReportDate,"MM/YYYY") 
 
2) IF real date and want each month and activeclient is indicator
     SELECT  ProviderNo,
             FORMAT(ReportDate,"MM/YYYY") as RptDt,
                         or FORMAT(ReportDate, "MM/01/YYYY"
             SUM (IIF(ActiveClients = TRUE,1,0) as ActClient
    FROM Tbl1
    GROUP BY ProviderNo,
             FORMAT(ReportDate,"MM/YYYY") 

I didn't have time to fully test this but it is what I remember
HTH 
Patti   
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> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Cumulative sum
> 
> Hi All,
> I think this should be easy but I can't figure it out.  To 
> simplify, say you have three fields, ProviderNo, ReportDate, 
> ActiveClients.  So, if you have 3 months of data for a 
> provider you can create a chart plotting each month.  Is 
> there a way in a query to get the sum of the 3 months?  
> MTIA,
> Ed
>  
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Oct 30 08:42:04 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:42:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F0FA7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that
a user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then
set the auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the
chart but it still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of
the chart disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or
off so the unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions
appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Oct 30 09:02:47 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:02:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF90@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA102388991033.aspx

I just ran across this.
Jim Hale


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 30 09:20:46 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:20:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Can you set the chart's Enabled property to False? That should prevent it
getting the focus.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that a
user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then set the
auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the chart but it
still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of the chart
disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or off so the
unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Oct 30 09:50:16 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:50:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that
the user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set
the focus to an invisible dummy text box.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

Can you set the chart's Enabled property to False? That should prevent
it
getting the focus.

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that
a
user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then set
the
auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the chart but it
still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of the chart
disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or off so the
unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 10:07:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:07:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Have you tried Enabled = False, Locked = True?  I don't work with charts
on forms, so I'm not sure both properties are available.

Charlotte Foust 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that
the user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set
the focus to an invisible dummy text box.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

Can you set the chart's Enabled property to False? That should prevent
it getting the focus.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that
a user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then
set the auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the
chart but it still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of
the chart disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or
off so the unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions
appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 10:43:11 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:43:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
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Message-ID: <015001c81b0b$b0b7b9c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
> chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
> event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that
> the user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set
> the focus to an invisible dummy text box.

======You'll get calls -- "It's broke....when I click it, it takes me back 
to ... "

Susan H. 



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 30 10:52:19 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:52:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7259@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

You won't be able to set the focus to an *invisible* textbox, but you can
set the height and width of a visible control to some tiny number like 0.01.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that the
user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set the
focus to an invisible dummy text box.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

Can you set the chart's Enabled property to False? That should prevent it
getting the focus.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that a
user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then set the
auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the chart but it
still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of the chart
disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or off so the
unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Oct 30 10:56:26 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:56:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
In-Reply-To: <015001c81b0b$b0b7b9c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<015001c81b0b$b0b7b9c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0BFD06@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

I would think, a msgbox on the click and double-click events, indicating it cannot be modified then refocus on the previous control work.  The user would then know it's not broken and it's by design it cannot be edited.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

> That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
> chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
> event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that
> the user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set
> the focus to an invisible dummy text box.

======You'll get calls -- "It's broke....when I click it, it takes me back 
to ... "

Susan H. 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 11:00:13 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:00:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF90@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF90@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710300900v57ecfdb7q1ce84a5e88a70426@mail.gmail.com>

Thatnks for sharing that Jim.

GK

On 10/30/07, Hale, Jim <Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
>
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA102388991033.aspx
>
> I just ran across this.
> Jim Hale
>
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From barry.herring at att.net  Tue Oct 30 11:04:35 2007
From: barry.herring at att.net (Barry G. Herring)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:04:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Developer Needed (St. Louis Area)
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References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
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Message-ID: <007501c81b0e$916c11d0$b4443570$@herring@att.net>

Dear List,

My company is looking for a access developer in the St. Louis area, I do not
know the pay or the work load will be. Just wanted to know if anyone on the
list was interested. It might be just a contractor position.

But FYI I started as a contractor and moved to a full time employee, so it
is possible.

Please respond off line to the email address listed below. I do not want to
tie up the list with this. I am also using an email account that I do not
care if spammers get. Emails sent to that address will be moved over to
another account and a email from my work account will be sent to individuals
interested.

Thanks,

Barry G. Herring
Project Manager / Software Developer
Herringb at hotmail.com





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 11:02:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:02:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><015001c81b0b$b0b7b9c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0BFD06@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <018701c81b0e$7a63ebc0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Yes, that's a good idea.

Susan H.



>I would think, a msgbox on the click and double-click events, indicating it 
>cannot be modified then refocus on the previous control work.  The user 
>would then know it's not broken and it's by design it cannot be edited.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 30 12:26:22 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:26:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF90@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <4DA3B66404A444188DEEBC3410B6537B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Excellent. Thanks Jim

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE


http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA102388991033.aspx

I just ran across this.
Jim Hale


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 12:46:42 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:46:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<007501c81b0e$916c11d0$b4443570$@herring@att.net>
Message-ID: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the code 
is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the ability to 
respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 




From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 30 12:52:58 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:52:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
In-Reply-To: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><007501c81b0e$916c11d0$b4443570$@herring@att.net>
	<003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <002801c81b1d$b4ee8070$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

William,
If you already own FMS's emailer maybe they could offer some methods of
using it to collect that info.

They've been pretty helpful to me over the years with other products of
theirs.




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 13:16:35 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:16:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><007501c81b0e$916c11d0$b4443570$@herring@att.net><003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<002801c81b1d$b4ee8070$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <005201c81b21$02168480$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...thanks John but I've already ran it past them with no results other than 
that would be a neat improvement for a future release but we have no idea 
how we could do it ...my real problem with the fms e-mailer is that I have 
no access to the code and I know that this client is going to expect me to 
provide further mods.

...btw, I do use and swear by FMS' tools ...just not their apps or 
components.

William

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed


> William,
> If you already own FMS's emailer maybe they could offer some methods of
> using it to collect that info.
>
> They've been pretty helpful to me over the years with other products of
> theirs.
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct 30 13:23:53 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:23:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
In-Reply-To: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><007501c81b0e$916c11d0$b4443570$@herring@att.net>
	<003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <002601c81b22$06dc7b90$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi William,

I know that vbSendMail can detect when an email is rejected (using
WithEvents in a Class).  

The download for this also has two sample screens which show all of
capabilities.

It's written as a complete vb6 app, perhaps you could call it from Access if
you need it working quickly.

BOL!
Dan

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed

...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the code

is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the ability to

respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 30 13:27:37 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:27:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
Message-ID: <s72785d0.044@cactus.dk>

Hi William

> keep an audit trail of addresses rejected by the receiving isp

That is "tuff" ... communication with the receiving SMTP server may fail or be delayed as well. 
This is the job of an SMTP server and I don't think you really wish to build such an animal.

However, if you and the client need to operate at this serious level, I can strongly recommend hMailServer:

  http://www.hmailserver.com/

This is a wonderful product, free and open-source, which will run on the Windows Server you love so much and with SQL Server or MySQL as the datastore.
What separate it from many other offerings are the COM API and the ability to be controlled via DCOM:

  http://www.hmailserver.com/documentation/?page=com_objects

and it is easy to install and configure.

If this is too hardcore, an option might be to use CDOSYS and connect to the SMTP Service of IIS at a Windows Server OS. On these (contrary to workstation OS) you have the added feature of ODBC access to the SMTP log.

/gustav


>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 30-10-2007 18:46 >>>
...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the code 
is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the ability to 
respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Oct 30 13:39:53 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:39:53 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
In-Reply-To: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <002101c81b24$49630d60$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi William,

You can make C# Classlib from this open source or similar code

http://csharp-source.net/open-source/web-mail 

and then expose it as a COM component and use from within MS Access....


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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed

...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the code

is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the ability to

respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 30 13:47:46 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:47:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
Message-ID: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I would like to have a pop-up form open directly below the icon used to open
it. The pop-up form is used throughout the application and the icon is not
always in the same location on each form. Does anyone have form positioning
code that I could adopt for this?


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 30 15:16:55 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:16:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl>


John,
 
I don't have an example...but I have moved objects and db windows before...for the form itself it should be similar.  The unit of measure will be in "TWIPS".  
 
I would call a function that gets the location of what you clicked on(bottom and left...this will be in twips)...and come up with a small formula(say 25 twips down and 30 twips left...you will have to add and subtract these from/to the location numbers you got above)
 
Now...when your popup opens...use the MOVE method in conjunction with your twip calculations from above.(the WindowLeft or WindowTop properties are read only...but MOVE works.)
 
This should allow you to open a popup anywhere and have it move to your clicking location.
 
Good Luck,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
P.S...When I first started moving stuff like this...I did a little exercise to get a good understanding of what was happening.  I created a form with :  1 button, 1 text box....when I clicked the button...the text box displayed the top left of the textbox in TWIPS.  Then I changed the button to where it found txtbox.topleft...and added 25 twips to it...then displayed in the text box the new number.  Then I did the same thing...moving right and left...and so on.  This way I could see how far each change actually moved my object.  
 
Point of this...I still don't know exactly how big a twip is...and 25 of them is just a nudge.
 
...and if your calculation goes off the screen...db does NOT like it...so use error handling.  
 
Mark> From: john at winhaven.net> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:47:46 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] Form Position> > I would like to have a pop-up form open directly below the icon used to open> it. The pop-up form is used throughout the application and the icon is not> always in the same location on each form. Does anyone have form positioning> code that I could adopt for this?> -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102225181033.aspx?pid=CL100626971033

From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct 30 13:58:16 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:58:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
In-Reply-To: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE04F7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Does it need to receive email, or just send?  Sending email is VERY easy
to do with just a winsock control.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed

...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the
code 
is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit
trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the
ability to 
respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 17:11:47 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:11:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710301511u50ff7630i662a179d84c5204d@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a(n ideally free) tool that lets you compare two versions of a
given FE? I know the data is in synch; it's the forms, queries and other FE
items that might not be.

TIA,
Arthur


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct 30 17:44:24 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:44:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?
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References: <29f585dd0710301511u50ff7630i662a179d84c5204d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c81b46$6be04660$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Yes - look at the FMS product call Total Access Detective.

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?

Is there a(n ideally free) tool that lets you compare two versions of a
given FE? I know the data is in synch; it's the forms, queries and other FE
items that might not be.

TIA,
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 30 17:47:40 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:47:40 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F0FA7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <200710302247.l9UMlbh7007673@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Chester

Drop the chart onto a form all its own - Then drop that new form as a subform
onto your main form and make the subform enabled = false

Should work
 
Darren
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 12:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that
a user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then
set the auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the
chart but it still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of
the chart disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or
off so the unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions
appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 30 18:22:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:22:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl>
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Mark:

That's the approach I would use.  But one caveat.  If the target machines'
monitors have different resolutions, the amount to add or subtract relative
to the command button will be different.   The initial x and y deltas would
need to be multiplied by the target monitor's resolution divided by the
design resolution.

Rocky





 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Position


John,
 
I don't have an example...but I have moved objects and db windows
before...for the form itself it should be similar.  The unit of measure will
be in "TWIPS".  
 
I would call a function that gets the location of what you clicked on(bottom
and left...this will be in twips)...and come up with a small formula(say 25
twips down and 30 twips left...you will have to add and subtract these
from/to the location numbers you got above)
 
Now...when your popup opens...use the MOVE method in conjunction with your
twip calculations from above.(the WindowLeft or WindowTop properties are
read only...but MOVE works.)
 
This should allow you to open a popup anywhere and have it move to your
clicking location.
 
Good Luck,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
P.S...When I first started moving stuff like this...I did a little exercise
to get a good understanding of what was happening.  I created a form with :
1 button, 1 text box....when I clicked the button...the text box displayed
the top left of the textbox in TWIPS.  Then I changed the button to where it
found txtbox.topleft...and added 25 twips to it...then displayed in the text
box the new number.  Then I did the same thing...moving right and left...and
so on.  This way I could see how far each change actually moved my object.  
 
Point of this...I still don't know exactly how big a twip is...and 25 of
them is just a nudge.
 
...and if your calculation goes off the screen...db does NOT like it...so
use error handling.  
 
Mark> From: john at winhaven.net> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: 
Mark> Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:47:46 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] Form Position> 
Mark> > I would like to have a pop-up form open directly below the icon 
Mark> used to open> it. The pop-up form is used throughout the 
Mark> application and the icon is not> always in the same location on 
Mark> each form. Does anyone have form positioning> code that I could 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 30 18:23:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:23:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710301511u50ff7630i662a179d84c5204d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710301511u50ff7630i662a179d84c5204d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c81b4b$ecd10e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I don't know if it will do exactly what you want by take a look at Starinix
Database Compare (http://www.starinix.com/)

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?

Is there a(n ideally free) tool that lets you compare two versions of a
given FE? I know the data is in synch; it's the forms, queries and other FE
items that might not be.

TIA,
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Tue Oct 30 19:10:16 2007
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:10:16 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710301511u50ff7630i662a179d84c5204d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c81b52$6a7219f0$0d08a8c0@carltonone.local>

Arthur,

I wrote this tool by correlating a heap of code snippets from the net over
the years and it does something similar to what you want. It is written in
VB6 and done for a client of mine that runs an app for multiple users that I
wrote a few years ago.

It checks the users version of the FE to "the current" version on a
predefined network drive. This ensures all users are using the same version
of the front and updates it automatically if they aren't and then opens the
updated FE. 

Hope this makes sense and you get some use out of it. You can get it here:

http://download.actebs.com.au/eg/UpdateFile.zip

Regards

Vlad

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 9:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?

Is there a(n ideally free) tool that lets you compare two versions of a
given FE? I know the data is in synch; it's the forms, queries and other FE
items that might not be.

TIA,
Arthur
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 30 19:47:18 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:47:18 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <04E25951408A4DFDBA46AD6E545EDC6F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <200710310047.l9V0lHfR001824@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 30 20:34:43 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:34:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310047.l9V0lHfR001824@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Jim

Sorry - Wasn't clear

In an Access dB I would do something like the code below To get records

How is this achieved using the Connection strings to an SQL Server 2000 dB??

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim sel_SQL As String
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    sel_SQL1 = "SELECT * FROM Account"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(sel_SQL)
    
    If (rs.EOF) Then
        MsgBox "NOTHING TO SHOW DUDE"
    Else
        While (Not (rs.EOF))
            Debug.Print !AccountNo
            rs.MoveNext
        Wend
    End If


    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 11:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From demulling at centurytel.net  Tue Oct 30 21:03:29 2007
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling Family)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:03:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4727E271.9030404@centurytel.net>

Darren,

Here is one way:

Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim cmdtext As String

cmdtext = "SELECT"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " FROM tblSEILinks"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " GROUP BY tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber;"

con = setconnection
con.Open

rs.Open cmdtext, con

If Not rs.BOF And Not rs.EOF Then
        rs.MoveFirst

        Do Until rs.EOF
            rs.MoveNext
        Loop
End If

rs.Close
con..Close
set rs = Nothing
set con = Nothing


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 30 21:16:31 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:16:31 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <4727E271.9030404@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <200710310216.l9V2GSD1013761@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi

Thanks for the post Jeff

When I first copied and pasted your code - the debugger failed on "con =
setconnection"

So it rem'd "Option Explicit" and it worked - Any suggestions on how to get it
to work with Explicit on?

Also - When I ran it after that I got the following error...

"-2147467259 [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no
default driver specified"

Any suggestions on that one?

Obviously I have somehow stuffed the connection info - Was your code designed to
go hand in hand with Jim's earlier connection string post?

Thanks again

Darren
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Demulling Family
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Darren,

Here is one way:

Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim cmdtext As String

cmdtext = "SELECT"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " FROM tblSEILinks"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " GROUP BY tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber;"

con = setconnection
con.Open

rs.Open cmdtext, con

If Not rs.BOF And Not rs.EOF Then
        rs.MoveFirst

        Do Until rs.EOF
            rs.MoveNext
        Loop
End If

rs.Close
con..Close
set rs = Nothing
set con = Nothing
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 21:38:50 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:38:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE04F7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000701c81b67$35e28c00$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...send only Drew ...but as others have mentioned, the real problem is 
getting the server to talk to Access to identify bad sends.

William

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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed


> Does it need to receive email, or just send?  Sending email is VERY easy
> to do with just a winsock control.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
>
> ...group
>
> ...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003
> ...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the
> code
> is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit
> trail
> of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the
> ability to
> respond to that information.
>
> ...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references
> appreciated
>
> William
>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 21:38:50 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:38:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE04F7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000701c81b67$35e28c00$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...send only Drew ...but as others have mentioned, the real problem is 
getting the server to talk to Access to identify bad sends.

William

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed


> Does it need to receive email, or just send?  Sending email is VERY easy
> to do with just a winsock control.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
>
> ...group
>
> ...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003
> ...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the
> code
> is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit
> trail
> of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the
> ability to
> respond to that information.
>
> ...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references
> appreciated
>
> William
>
>
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From demulling at centurytel.net  Tue Oct 30 22:26:48 2007
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling Family)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:26:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310216.l9V2GSD1013761@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200710310216.l9V2GSD1013761@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4727F5F8.5090809@centurytel.net>

Darren D wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thanks for the post Jeff
>
> When I first copied and pasted your code - the debugger failed on "con =
> setconnection"
>
> So it rem'd "Option Explicit" and it worked - Any suggestions on how to get it
> to work with Explicit on?
>
> Also - When I ran it after that I got the following error...
>
> "-2147467259 [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no
> default driver specified"
>
> Any suggestions on that one?
>
> Obviously I have somehow stuffed the connection info - Was your code designed to
> go hand in hand with Jim's earlier connection string post?
>
> Thanks again
>
> Darren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Demulling Family
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 1:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
>
> Darren,
>
> Here is one way:
>
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
> Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
> Dim cmdtext As String
>
> cmdtext = "SELECT"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " FROM tblSEILinks"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " GROUP BY tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber;"
>
> con = setconnection
> con.Open
>
> rs.Open cmdtext, con
>
> If Not rs.BOF And Not rs.EOF Then
>         rs.MoveFirst
>
>         Do Until rs.EOF
>             rs.MoveNext
>         Loop
> End If
>
> rs.Close
> con..Close
> set rs = Nothing
> set con = Nothing
>   
Sorry about that, I have a function that I use to set the connection string.

Function setconnection()
'This is for trusted connections  
setconnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Persist Security Info=True;User 
ID=<<User Id Here>>;Initial Catalog=<<Database Name Here>>;Data 
Source=<<Server Name Here>>;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
'This is for non trusted connections
setconnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Persist Security Info=True;User 
ID=<<User Id Here>>;Initial Catalog=<<Database Name Here>>;Data 
Source=<<Server Name Here>>;Password=<<Password Here>>

End Function


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Oct 31 00:23:10 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:23:10 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <4727F5F8.5090809@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <200710310523.l9V5N3ia030901@databaseadvisors.com>

Brilliant - excellent - works like a charm

I really am gratefull

DD

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Demulling Family
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 2:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Darren D wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thanks for the post Jeff
>
> When I first copied and pasted your code - the debugger failed on "con =
> setconnection"
>
> So it rem'd "Option Explicit" and it worked - Any suggestions on how to get it
> to work with Explicit on?
>
> Also - When I ran it after that I got the following error...
>
> "-2147467259 [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and
no
> default driver specified"
>
> Any suggestions on that one?
>
> Obviously I have somehow stuffed the connection info - Was your code designed
to
> go hand in hand with Jim's earlier connection string post?
>
> Thanks again
>
> Darren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Demulling Family
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 1:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
>
> Darren,
>
> Here is one way:
>
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
> Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
> Dim cmdtext As String
>
> cmdtext = "SELECT"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " FROM tblSEILinks"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " GROUP BY tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber;"
>
> con = setconnection
> con.Open
>
> rs.Open cmdtext, con
>
> If Not rs.BOF And Not rs.EOF Then
>         rs.MoveFirst
>
>         Do Until rs.EOF
>             rs.MoveNext
>         Loop
> End If
>
> rs.Close
> con..Close
> set rs = Nothing
> set con = Nothing
>   
Sorry about that, I have a function that I use to set the connection string.

Function setconnection()
'This is for trusted connections  
setconnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Persist Security Info=True;User 
ID=<<User Id Here>>;Initial Catalog=<<Database Name Here>>;Data 
Source=<<Server Name Here>>;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
'This is for non trusted connections
setconnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Persist Security Info=True;User 
ID=<<User Id Here>>;Initial Catalog=<<Database Name Here>>;Data 
Source=<<Server Name Here>>;Password=<<Password Here>>

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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed Oct 31 00:55:43 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:55:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE04F7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<000701c81b67$35e28c00$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01289FCD@ddi-01.DDI.local>

I seem to recall reading somewhere of a similar request where the
consensus was that
any solution would be unreliable.  If IIRC the problem was that a
significant # of mail servers do not
respond to bad sends as an anti spam / security measure.

http://www.componentspace.com/emailchecker.net.aspx

see the * at the bottom of the page.

cheers

Michael M

...send only Drew ...but as others have mentioned, the real problem is
getting the server to talk to Access to identify bad sends.

William

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> Does it need to receive email, or just send?  Sending email is VERY
easy
> to do with just a winsock control.
>
> Drew
>
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> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
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> Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
>
> ...group
>
> ...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access
2003
> ...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and
the
> code
> is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit
> trail
> of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the
> ability to
> respond to that information.
>
> ...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references
> appreciated
>
> William
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 31 11:06:05 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:06:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl>
	<008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <004e01c81bd7$f1561bd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Thanks guys,
Its the aproach I will take too - if I have to :o) 

I was actually asking for some code snippets that I could modify for this
because its just one one of those nicity-nice things and I just don't have
the time to write the code from scratch for it right now. I am just going to
center the pop-up form on screen for now.




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 31 12:28:18 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:28:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server observed performance
Message-ID: <s728c95c.080@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It appears that the new Falcon engine of MySQL has improved regarding speed of inserts:

http://blogs.mysql.com/robin/2007/10/03/improved-handling-of-large-falcon-transactions/

This equals to about 48,000 records per second which is approaching that of loading a file directly (link below).
I guess no index can be present to reach this speed.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 31-10-2006 18:03 >>>
Hi John

Under some specific conditions you could easily increase import speed about 20 fold with MySQL:

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2006-May/043865.html 

And "modest hardware" indeed: IBM PC300, 266 MHz CPU, 256 MB ram, one IDE drive.

Of course, you would need to build indices etc. later, but still ...

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 31-10-2006 17:20:43 >>>
I thought you guys might find this interesting.  
 
I have a database that I imported a couple of years ago.  On a single
processor 3 ghz AMD64 running 2 mbytes of memory, using (4) individual IDE
250gb hard drives (no raid) the system would import ~ 1000 rows per second
into SQL Server.  Each text file was ~10 gbytes, consisted of ~700 fields
and 3 million records per file.  Each field was originally padded right with
spaces (comma delimited, but fixed width).
 
This time around, I built an Access (really just VBA) preprocessor to open
each file, read it line by line, strip all of the padding off the left and
right sides (there was some left padding as well) and write it back out to
another file.  This dropped the average text file size to ~ 6.5 gbytes,
which leaves us with average padding of well over 35%.  It also left the
resulting data in the unpadded after importing into SQL Server which makes
sorts / searches and indexes possible.
 
Anyway, after stripping all of this padding and building new files, I am now
importing these into my new server which is a AMD64 X2 dual processor 3.8
ghz with 2 gbytes of ram.  The disk subsystem is now a pair of volumes
hosted on a raid 6 array, 1 tbyte for the main data store and ~400 gb for
the temp databases.  The new system imports the new (stripped) data files at
about 3000 records per second.  I have to run 3 imports at a time to keep
both cores above 90% usage.  Running 3 imports at a time, the imports happen
roughly at 2k records / second FOR EACH IMPORT.
 
Oddly, if I run more than 4 imports at a time, the processor usage drops
back to ~70% for some reason and in fact each import slows to ~500 imports /
second.  This may have to do with the limits of disk streaming off of the
machine that holds the source text files.  The source files come from a
second machine, all the files on the same disk / directory, over a 1ghz
network (switch).
 
I am happy to say though that the new dual processor server appears to be
able to perform this specific task ~3 to 6 times as fast which is a huge and
much needed performance boost.  The other advantage to this configuration is
that I am no longer playing games splitting the database up into smaller
files residing on individual hard drives, and of course, the whole thing is
using raid 6 which provides much needed security.
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 31 14:30:57 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:30:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <004e01c81bd7$f1561bd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl><008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<004e01c81bd7$f1561bd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Went to lunch, got another project, got a free lunch, thought of "Lebans",
looked it up and found the form positioning code I needed!

I need to go out to lunch more ;o)




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct 31 15:14:30 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:14:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <014801c81bfa$a56717b0$056d8552@minster33c3r25>

And so say all of us.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 31 October 2007 19:31
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Position
> 
> 
> Went to lunch, got another project, got a free lunch, thought 
> of "Lebans", looked it up and found the form positioning code 
> I needed!
> 
> I need to go out to lunch more ;o)
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 31 15:19:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:19:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl><008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><004e01c81bd7$f1561bd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <001901c81bfb$5f8fcce0$647aa8c0@M90>

Indeed! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Position

Went to lunch, got another project, got a free lunch, thought of "Lebans",
looked it up and found the form positioning code I needed!

I need to go out to lunch more ;o)


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 31 15:25:18 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:25:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <81A7FE4F0D334606AB8809C527A84D13@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Darren:

To actually retrieve the data from the MS SQL server could be like this:

<code>
Public Function FillCompanies() As Boolean
    Dim objCmd As ADODB.Command
    
    On Error GoTo Err_FillCompanies
    
    FillCompanies = False
    
    Set objCmd = New ADODB.Command
    
    With objCmd
        .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
        .CommandText = "REFillCompanies"
        .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
    End With
    
    Set rsCompanies = New ADODB.Recordset
    rsCompanies.CursorLocation = adUseClient
    rsCompanies.Open objCmd, , adOpenStatic, adLockOptimistic
    
    With rsCompanies
        If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then .MoveLast
    End With
    
    Set objCmd = Nothing
    FillCompanies = True
    
    Exit Function
    
Err_FillCompanies:
    ShowErrMsg "FillCompanies"
    
End Function
</code>

Note this is using a MS SQL SP. The simple SP looks like this:

<code>
CREATE PROC REFillCompanies
AS
SELECT CasinoCompany.CompanyCode, CasinoCompany.CompanyName,
CasinoCompany.CompanyAbrev, CasinoCompany.Active AS CompanyActive,
CasinoLocations.LocationCode, CasinoLocations.LocationName,
CasinoLocations.Active AS LocationActive
 FROM CasinoCompany INNER JOIN CasinoLocations ON CasinoCompany.CompanyCode
= CasinoLocations.CompanyCode
 WHERE CasinoCompany.Active=1
 ORDER BY CasinoCompany.CompanyName, CasinoLocations.LocationName;

GO
</code>

I will send another piece of code that stores the retrieved recordset in a
list box.

HTH
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim

Sorry - Wasn't clear

In an Access dB I would do something like the code below To get records

How is this achieved using the Connection strings to an SQL Server 2000 dB??

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim sel_SQL As String
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    sel_SQL1 = "SELECT * FROM Account"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(sel_SQL)
    
    If (rs.EOF) Then
        MsgBox "NOTHING TO SHOW DUDE"
    Else
        While (Not (rs.EOF))
            Debug.Print !AccountNo
            rs.MoveNext
        Wend
    End If


    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 11:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop
through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate
a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 15:42:35 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:42:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save
Message-ID: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

The following is a simple event procedure that updates a value list combo with user input. It works fine. The problem is, the form won't save the new item. The next time you open the form, the newly added item's gone. It's kind of like, the form doesn't think there's anything to change, because I don't get the Save prompt. 

Susan H. 



Private Sub cboMetals_NotInList(NewData As String, _
 Response As Integer)
  'Update value list with user input.
  On Error GoTo ErrHandler
  Dim bytUpdate As Byte
  bytUpdate = MsgBox("Do you want to add " & _
   cboMetals.Value & " to the list?", _
   vbYesNo, "Non-list item!")
  'Add user input
  If bytUpdate = vbYes Then
    Response = acDataErrAdded
    cboMetals.AddItem NewData
    'Update RowSource property for
    'XP and older.
    'cboMetals.RowSource = _
    ' cboMetals.RowSource _
    ' & ";" & NewData
    'Save updated list.
    DoCmd.Save acForm, "ValueList"
  'Don't add user input
  Else
    Response = acDataErrContinue
    cboMetals.Undo
  End If
  Exit Sub
  
ErrHandler:
  MsgBox Err.Number & ": " & Err.Description, _
   vbOKOnly, "Error"
  
End Sub


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 31 16:01:16 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:01:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Darren:

Here is a code sample that I would use to fill a list box:

<code>
Public Function FillCompanyList(ctlBox As Control, Id As Variant, row As
Variant, col As Variant, CODE As Variant) As Variant
    
'Common Combo and List box fill function.
'Assumes rsCasinoCompany recordset is the supplied data and has
'equal or more fields than required in the control.
    
On Error GoTo Err_FillCompanyList
    
Dim mvReturnVal As Variant
    
mvReturnVal = Null
    
With rsCompaniesResults
 Select Case CODE
  Case acLBInitialize                 ' Initialize.
   Set rsCompaniesResults = New ADODB.Recordset
   Set rsCompaniesResults = rsCompanies.Clone

   ' Or you can simply call the populating records like:
   ' set rsCompaniesResults = FillCompanies().clone given
   ' that the function is setup like so:
   ' Public Function FillCompanies() As Recordset...
   '   FillCompanies = rsCompanies
	             
   If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
    .MoveFirst
    mvReturnVal = .RecordCount
   Else
    mvReturnVal = 0
   End If

   Case acLBOpen                  ' Open.
    mvReturnVal = Timer           ' Generate unique ID for control.
    gvComboTimer = mvReturnVal
   Case acLBGetRowCount           ' Get number of rows.
    mvReturnVal = .RecordCount
   Case acLBGetColumnCount        ' Get number of columns.
    mvReturnVal = ctlBox.ColumnCount
   Case acLBGetColumnWidth        ' Column width.
    mvReturnVal = -1              ' -1 forces use of default width.
   Case acLBGetFormat             ' Get format
    mvReturnVal = -1
   Case acLBGetValue              ' Get data.
    .MoveFirst
    .Move (row)
    mvReturnVal = .Fields(col)
  End Select
 End With
    
 FillCompanyList = mvReturnVal

Exit_FillCompanyList:
    Exit Function
    
Err_FillCompanyList:
    'Handles error situation caused an apparent unrelated error(s)
    'generated in other modules. (It loses its brains...)
    If Err.Number <> 91 Then
        ShowErrMsg "FillCompanyList"
    End If
    Resume Exit_FillCompanyList
    
End Function
</code>

Note: Using clone does not make another copy of the data but makes another
pointer to the data. Within the List box Row Source insert the name of the
function. I.e: FillCompanyList 

HTH
Jim
 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim

Sorry - Wasn't clear

In an Access dB I would do something like the code below To get records

How is this achieved using the Connection strings to an SQL Server 2000 dB??

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim sel_SQL As String
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    sel_SQL1 = "SELECT * FROM Account"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(sel_SQL)
    
    If (rs.EOF) Then
        MsgBox "NOTHING TO SHOW DUDE"
    Else
        While (Not (rs.EOF))
            Debug.Print !AccountNo
            rs.MoveNext
        Wend
    End If


    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 11:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop
through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate
a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 31 16:13:06 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:13:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save
In-Reply-To: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B7A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

As I recall, you have to be in design view to permanently change the
values in the value list.  You'd be better off storing the values in a
table instead if you want to allow the users to permanently add a value.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:43 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save

The following is a simple event procedure that updates a value list
combo with user input. It works fine. The problem is, the form won't
save the new item. The next time you open the form, the newly added
item's gone. It's kind of like, the form doesn't think there's anything
to change, because I don't get the Save prompt. 

Susan H. 



Private Sub cboMetals_NotInList(NewData As String, _  Response As
Integer)
  'Update value list with user input.
  On Error GoTo ErrHandler
  Dim bytUpdate As Byte
  bytUpdate = MsgBox("Do you want to add " & _
   cboMetals.Value & " to the list?", _
   vbYesNo, "Non-list item!")
  'Add user input
  If bytUpdate = vbYes Then
    Response = acDataErrAdded
    cboMetals.AddItem NewData
    'Update RowSource property for
    'XP and older.
    'cboMetals.RowSource = _
    ' cboMetals.RowSource _
    ' & ";" & NewData
    'Save updated list.
    DoCmd.Save acForm, "ValueList"
  'Don't add user input
  Else
    Response = acDataErrContinue
    cboMetals.Undo
  End If
  Exit Sub
  
ErrHandler:
  MsgBox Err.Number & ": " & Err.Description, _
   vbOKOnly, "Error"
  
End Sub
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 31 16:31:10 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:31:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl><008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><004e01c81bd7$f1561bd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <008401c81c05$5b6fd8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

John:

I just came up with a requirement to do this today.  But can't find the
right page on Lebans' site.  Can you give me a URL?

I found that a pop up form will auto center at the design resolution of 800
x 600 but when I change the resolution to 1280 x 960 it appears shifted way
to the left and down. SO I need to get the initial position and adjust it by
the ratio of the design resolution to the current resolution.

Thanks and best,

Rocky





 	
	

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Went to lunch, got another project, got a free lunch, thought of "Lebans",
looked it up and found the form positioning code I needed!

I need to go out to lunch more ;o)


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From jengross at gte.net  Wed Oct 31 16:58:20 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:58:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
Message-ID: <00eb01c81c09$29e5f980$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Happy Halloween Everyone,

I have a client that for reasons relating to Outlook has updated their
systems to Office 2003, without Access 2003, while leaving Access 2000
so that my databases can run.  I don't want to move the databases to
Access 2003 because they are running fine in A2K and have been for
years.  However, they are running into some bumps in the road,
particularly with exporting to Excel using Tools > Office Links.

If anybody has an tips regarding the co-existence of Office 2003 with
Access 2000 I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
databasics
Newbury Park, CA 
office:  (805) 480-1921
fax:	   (805) 499-0467 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 16:20:02 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:20:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save
References: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B7A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <007101c81c09$3ea91190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



> As I recall, you have to be in design view to permanently change the
> values in the value list.  You'd be better off storing the values in a
> table instead if you want to allow the users to permanently add a value.

=======It's just an example of "how-to" Charlotte, not something I have to 
actually make work, but I didn't know the bit about being in Design view to 
permanently change the value list -- that would make perfect sense. I hadn't 
thought to check that, just figured it was the Save method -- something I 
was doing wrong.

Susan H. 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 31 17:07:26 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:07:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save
In-Reply-To: <007101c81c09$3ea91190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B7A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<007101c81c09$3ea91190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B7D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I haven't worked with a value list in so long, I've forgotten how they
behave, but there is an AllowDesignChanges property of forms that
specifies the view that allows changes, All Views or Design View Only.
YOu might be able to switch that in code to save changes to a value
list.  I've never tried it, and I've always allowed Design View Only
changes, but it might be worth a try.

Charlotte 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] form doesn't save



> As I recall, you have to be in design view to permanently change the 
> values in the value list.  You'd be better off storing the values in a

> table instead if you want to allow the users to permanently add a
value.

=======It's just an example of "how-to" Charlotte, not something I have
to actually make work, but I didn't know the bit about being in Design
view to permanently change the value list -- that would make perfect
sense. I hadn't thought to check that, just figured it was the Save
method -- something I was doing wrong.

Susan H. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 31 17:13:23 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:13:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server observed performance
In-Reply-To: <s728c95c.080@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CC591F7456B14F10A85906D133083D29@creativesystemdesigns.com>

My son-in-law is the senior designer and builder of a web site using MySQL
with the Falcon engine. He is claiming that his site receives an excess of
200,000 hits per day. (The site pages are totally database driven). 

He is not sure what the maximum hit level is but the system seems to have
room to spare and has so far not flinched.

It seems like an awesome engine and approaches the performance of a well
tuned MS SQL DB. It would be interesting to see a side by side performance
test where all things are equal and see where each tops out.

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server observed performance

Hi all

It appears that the new Falcon engine of MySQL has improved regarding speed
of inserts:

http://blogs.mysql.com/robin/2007/10/03/improved-handling-of-large-falcon-tr
ansactions/

This equals to about 48,000 records per second which is approaching that of
loading a file directly (link below).
I guess no index can be present to reach this speed.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 31-10-2006 18:03 >>>
Hi John

Under some specific conditions you could easily increase import speed about
20 fold with MySQL:

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2006-May/043865.html 

And "modest hardware" indeed: IBM PC300, 266 MHz CPU, 256 MB ram, one IDE
drive.

Of course, you would need to build indices etc. later, but still ...

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 31-10-2006 17:20:43 >>>
I thought you guys might find this interesting.  
 
I have a database that I imported a couple of years ago.  On a single
processor 3 ghz AMD64 running 2 mbytes of memory, using (4) individual IDE
250gb hard drives (no raid) the system would import ~ 1000 rows per second
into SQL Server.  Each text file was ~10 gbytes, consisted of ~700 fields
and 3 million records per file.  Each field was originally padded right with
spaces (comma delimited, but fixed width).
 
This time around, I built an Access (really just VBA) preprocessor to open
each file, read it line by line, strip all of the padding off the left and
right sides (there was some left padding as well) and write it back out to
another file.  This dropped the average text file size to ~ 6.5 gbytes,
which leaves us with average padding of well over 35%.  It also left the
resulting data in the unpadded after importing into SQL Server which makes
sorts / searches and indexes possible.
 
Anyway, after stripping all of this padding and building new files, I am now
importing these into my new server which is a AMD64 X2 dual processor 3.8
ghz with 2 gbytes of ram.  The disk subsystem is now a pair of volumes
hosted on a raid 6 array, 1 tbyte for the main data store and ~400 gb for
the temp databases.  The new system imports the new (stripped) data files at
about 3000 records per second.  I have to run 3 imports at a time to keep
both cores above 90% usage.  Running 3 imports at a time, the imports happen
roughly at 2k records / second FOR EACH IMPORT.
 
Oddly, if I run more than 4 imports at a time, the processor usage drops
back to ~70% for some reason and in fact each import slows to ~500 imports /
second.  This may have to do with the limits of disk streaming off of the
machine that holds the source text files.  The source files come from a
second machine, all the files on the same disk / directory, over a 1ghz
network (switch).
 
I am happy to say though that the new dual processor server appears to be
able to perform this specific task ~3 to 6 times as fast which is a huge and
much needed performance boost.  The other advantage to this configuration is
that I am no longer playing games splitting the database up into smaller
files residing on individual hard drives, and of course, the whole thing is
using raid 6 which provides much needed security.
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 31 17:15:02 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:15:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <008401c81c05$5b6fd8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl><008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><004e01c81bd7$f1561bd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<008401c81c05$5b6fd8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00e601c81c0b$7c150730$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

http://www.lebans.com/openform.htm 

good luck

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software

I just came up with a requirement to do this today.  But can't find the
right page on Lebans' site.  Can you give me a URL?




From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Oct 31 17:41:05 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:41:05 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF90@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <007501c81c0f$206b76e0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

And this is another great summary of what's good, bad, gone and buggy in 
2007:

http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=The-lowdown-on-Access-2007

Kath

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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE


> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA102388991033.aspx
>
> I just ran across this.
> Jim Hale
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 31 18:15:34 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:15:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <00e601c81c0b$7c150730$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl><008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><004e01c81bd7$f1561bd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><008401c81c05$5b6fd8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00e601c81c0b$7c150730$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <00a801c81c13$f0ff5200$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Got it.  Thanks.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Position

http://www.lebans.com/openform.htm 

good luck

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
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I just came up with a requirement to do this today.  But can't find the
right page on Lebans' site.  Can you give me a URL?


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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Oct 31 21:01:19 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:01:19 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Jim

Brilliant - I am experimenting with this type of thing a lot and was going to
start asking questions about Stored Procedures - thank you very much

DD
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 8:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Here is a code sample that I would use to fill a list box:

<code>
Public Function FillCompanyList(ctlBox As Control, Id As Variant, row As
Variant, col As Variant, CODE As Variant) As Variant
    
'Common Combo and List box fill function.
'Assumes rsCasinoCompany recordset is the supplied data and has
'equal or more fields than required in the control.
    
On Error GoTo Err_FillCompanyList
    
Dim mvReturnVal As Variant
    
mvReturnVal = Null
    
With rsCompaniesResults
 Select Case CODE
  Case acLBInitialize                 ' Initialize.
   Set rsCompaniesResults = New ADODB.Recordset
   Set rsCompaniesResults = rsCompanies.Clone

   ' Or you can simply call the populating records like:
   ' set rsCompaniesResults = FillCompanies().clone given
   ' that the function is setup like so:
   ' Public Function FillCompanies() As Recordset...
   '   FillCompanies = rsCompanies
	             
   If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
    .MoveFirst
    mvReturnVal = .RecordCount
   Else
    mvReturnVal = 0
   End If

   Case acLBOpen                  ' Open.
    mvReturnVal = Timer           ' Generate unique ID for control.
    gvComboTimer = mvReturnVal
   Case acLBGetRowCount           ' Get number of rows.
    mvReturnVal = .RecordCount
   Case acLBGetColumnCount        ' Get number of columns.
    mvReturnVal = ctlBox.ColumnCount
   Case acLBGetColumnWidth        ' Column width.
    mvReturnVal = -1              ' -1 forces use of default width.
   Case acLBGetFormat             ' Get format
    mvReturnVal = -1
   Case acLBGetValue              ' Get data.
    .MoveFirst
    .Move (row)
    mvReturnVal = .Fields(col)
  End Select
 End With
    
 FillCompanyList = mvReturnVal

Exit_FillCompanyList:
    Exit Function
    
Err_FillCompanyList:
    'Handles error situation caused an apparent unrelated error(s)
    'generated in other modules. (It loses its brains...)
    If Err.Number <> 91 Then
        ShowErrMsg "FillCompanyList"
    End If
    Resume Exit_FillCompanyList
    
End Function
</code>

Note: Using clone does not make another copy of the data but makes another
pointer to the data. Within the List box Row Source insert the name of the
function. I.e: FillCompanyList 

HTH
Jim
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim

Sorry - Wasn't clear

In an Access dB I would do something like the code below To get records

How is this achieved using the Connection strings to an SQL Server 2000 dB??

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim sel_SQL As String
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    sel_SQL1 = "SELECT * FROM Account"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(sel_SQL)
    
    If (rs.EOF) Then
        MsgBox "NOTHING TO SHOW DUDE"
    Else
        While (Not (rs.EOF))
            Debug.Print !AccountNo
            rs.MoveNext
        Wend
    End If


    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 11:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop
through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate
a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Oct  1 01:50:15 2007
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 16:50:15 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a crosstab query
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0709300708i192982d9v426188a44db3fdb3@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <470098A7.32029.8B72F886@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

On 30 Sep 2007 at 10:08, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> The xtab in question lists horses on the rows and lesson types on the
> columns (i.e. private, semi-private, group), then populates the columns with
> counts for the number of lessons per horse per lesson type. No problem so
> far. But the specs call for vertical totals of the columns, and I cannot
> figure out how to do them with the xtab wizard. What I need is a sum of
> each of the columns to be presented as the bottom row (i.e sum of private,
> semi-private and group columns, including all horses).
> 
> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

In a pure query, you would need to use a UNION of the crosstab with a second 
"SELECT DISTINCT...SUM(...).......GROUP BY...." query.

If you base a report on the query, you can have a Footer section where you can do the totalling.









From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 03:25:30 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:25:30 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - Locking Problem
Message-ID: <s700cb3f.089@cactus.dk>

Hi Robert and Reuben

But wasn't that patch (from April, 2005) included in Win2003 SP2?

<quote>
Service pack information
To resolve this problem, obtain the latest service pack for Windows Server 2003. ..
</quote>

If so, Reuben, this means that the notwork guys didn't update the server. And if so, what do they think SPs are for?

/gustav

>>> robert at servicexp.com 28-09-2007 23:55 >>>
Reuben,
 I struggled for a looooooong time with what sounds like the same error. I
just happened across a MS KB about the problem. Had my users install the
patches and problem solved. 


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895751 


If you need the patch's (Win 2003 & XP) I believe I still have them..



WBR
Robert

 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:54 AM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - Locking Problem

I have a client that is receiving messages stating "The Microsoft Jet
Database engine stopped the process because you..."  Basically trying to say
that the record has been edited by someone else.

This has happened several times lately.  There is always a .ldb hangin
around after closing the app (by all users - there are 4 users).  This is
occurring even if only one person is using the app.  And even then the ldb
is still not deleted.

Any ideas?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 03:56:53 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:56:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
Message-ID: <s700d286.090@cactus.dk>

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are
' not allowed by Windows as a file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
' 2002-05-22. Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 30-09-2007 10:52 >>>
Hi Shamil,
Clearly your compiled solution is by way and far the quickest solution.
I have tried all sorts of VBA solutions including looking at XOR, IMP, EQV,
bitwise solutions, but there overheads were considerable.
The best I can come up with in VBA is below.
One million iterations on my Dell Inspiron comes in at 3 min 52 secs.

If John didn't want to Hump it, then RegExpr appears to be the answer within
pure VBA 

Max

Function dbc2()
  Const conGoodChars As String = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" ' valid
characters
  Const conBadChars As String = "?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in
this string
  Const conLoops As Long = 1000000
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVars As Integer, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLen As Integer, strTemp As String, bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As
String, strResult As String, strBit As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  "
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conLoops
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      strResult = ""
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop))
      str2Parse = UCase(Left(str2Parse, 1)) & Mid(str2Parse, 2)
      For iLen = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLen, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLen
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  MsgBox tLapsedTime: Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

<<<
However for more complicated
string operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very
suitable and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.
>>>
Hi Mike,

That's clear, and the John's task is to get the speediest solution.


--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Shamil, yes regex's are slower in .Net due to I believe all the objects
overhead.  For simple string operations regexes would probrably not be
effiecent BUT would be easier to write.  However for more complicated string
operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very suitable
and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.

Mike...

> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to note: I have seen somewhere an article about RegEx being 
> considerably slower than a mere strings comparison etc. I cannot find 
> this article now, can you?
>
> Here is a similar article on ColdFusion and Java (watch line wraps) -
>
>
http://www.bennadel.com/blog/410-Regular-Expression-Finds-vs-String-Finds.ht 
> m
>
> The info above should be also true for C#/VB.NET (just remember there 
> are no miracles in this world)...
>
> John, this could be critical information for you because of your 
> computers processing zillion gigabytes of data - if that slowness of RegEx
vs.
> string
> comparison operation proves to be true then mere chars/strings 
> comparison and simple iteration over source string's char array could 
> be the most effective solution, which will save you hours and hours of
computing time:
>
> - define a 256 bytes long table (I guess you use extended ASCII (256 
> chars
> max) only John - right?) with to be stripped out chars marked by 1;
> - define upperCase flag;
> - allocate destination string, which is as long as the source one - 
> use StringBuilder;
> - iterate source string and use current char's ASCII code as an index 
> of a cell of array mentioned above:
>     a) if the array's cell has value > 0  then the source char should 
> be stripped out/skipped; set uppercase flag = true;
>     b) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = true 
> then uppercase current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's; set uppercase flag = false;
>     c) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = false 
> then lower case current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's string;
>
>
> Here is C# code:
>
>
> private static string[] delimiters = "
> |%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|(|)".Split('|');
> private static byte[] sieve = new byte[255]; private static bool 
> initialized = false; static void JamOutBadChars() { if (!initialized) 
> {
>     sieve.Initialize();
>     foreach (string delimiter in delimiters)
>     {
>         sieve[(int)delimiter.Substring(0, 1).ToCharArray()[0]] = 1;
>     }
>     initialized = true;
> }
> string[] test = {"John colby  ",
>         "%idiotic_Field*name&!@",
>         " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#",
>         "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system          "};
>
> foreach (string source in test)
> {
>     StringBuilder result = new StringBuilder(source.Length);
>     bool upperCase = true;
>     foreach (char c in source.ToCharArray())
>     {
>         if (sieve[(int)c] > 0) upperCase = true;
>         else if (upperCase)
>         {
>             result.Append(c.ToString().ToUpper());
>             upperCase = false;
>         }
>         else result.Append(c.ToString().ToLower());
>     }
>     Console.WriteLine(source + " => {" + result + "}"); } }
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Bahr
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
>
> Hi John, here is one way to do it (although there are many ways to get 
> the same end result).  Mind you this is air code but hopefully should 
> be enough to get you going.  You will need to create the main loop 
> within your code.
>
> Create a list of all delimiters that are used in your CSV files such 
> as delimiters = '%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:| '
>
> then run through your CSV files line by line evaluating the line 
> saving the line into an array thisarray = Split(line, delimiters)
>
> then run through the array performing a Ucase on the first letter of 
> each word newline = ""
> For item=1 to ubound
>   newline = newline & whatEverToCapFirstChar(item) Next item
>
> where ubound is the array size
>
>
> Now here are two scripts that do the same thing, one is Perl and the 
> other is TCL.  Both of these languages are open source and free and 
> can be gotten at http://www.activestate.com/Products/languages.plex 
>
> Perl:
>
> my $delimiters = '/:| |\%|\*|\$|\@|\!|\#|\&|^|_|-|,|\./';
> my @test = ("John colby",
>             "%idiotic_Field*name",
>             "hey#hey#Hey,hello_world",
>             "this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system");
>
> foreach my $item (@test) {
>    my $temp = "";
>    my @list = split ($delimiters, $item);
>    foreach my $thing (@list) {
>       $temp .= ucfirst($thing);
>    }
>    print "$temp\n";
>
> }
>
> Result
> d:\Perl>pascalcase.pl
> JohnColby
> IdioticFieldName
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld
> ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
> TCL:
>
> set delimiters {%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|\ "} set test [list {John 
> colby} {%idiotic_Field*name} {hey#hey#Hey,hello_world} 
> {this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system}]
>
>
> foreach item $test {
>    set str ""
>    set mylist [split $item, $delimiters]
>    foreach thing $mylist {
>       set s [string totitle $thing]
>       set str "$str$s"
>    }
>    puts $str
>
> }
>
> Results
> D:\VisualTcl\Projects>tclsh pascalcase.tcl JohnColby IdioticFieldName 
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
>
> hth, Mike...



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 03:58:40 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:58:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <001801c80367$d1ceb980$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <000c01c80409$441b0f60$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Shamil,
Personnally, I think that you have probably achieved the fast time possible.
Although I don't think you have replicated my VBA code exactly, also I don't
know why your Dell runs faster than mine?

I have posted the code here:

http://www.peoplelinks.co.uk/msaccess/downloads/CamelCase.zip

With some comments at the top of the code section with regard to my system
setup.
 
Interesting exercise though.  No doubt there will be others out there who
can improve on the VBA Code.

Regards

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 2:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max,

I have programmed some more string jamming strategies, code is below. It's
interesting to note that the most obvious programming (StringJammer4), which
assumes that only alphabetic chars should be left and all the other should
be stripped out, is running as quick as the most generic one
(StringJammer3), which can use whatever set will be defined as the set of
the chars to be left in the result string. It's also interesting to note
that when millions iterations are "at stake" then very subtle code
differences can result in clearly visible/countable time execution gains,
e.g. checking that a char is in uppercase and NOT calling ToUpper function
works about 1 second faster on one million iterations than the code, which
just always calls ToUpper function.

I expect that the most generic solution (StringJammer3) can be made even
faster without going to C++ or Assmebler if somehow implement it using
inline coding instead of delegate function calls - of course this generic
solution has to be considerably refactored to achieve this goal: the gain
I'd expect could be  about 2 sec for one million iterations (it's  about 4
sec now). From practical point of view this gain looks very small(?) to take
into account but such kind of "manual coding optimization exercises" are
rather valuable to polish programming skills.

Your VBA code runs here 3 min 24 seconds under MS Access VBA IDE  for the
same set of the test strings, which is used in the below C# code:

-	4 sec vs. 204 sec. (3 min. 24 sec.) => 51 times quicker

Shamil 

P.S. the code:


using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using System.Text;

using System.Text.RegularExpressions;  

namespace StringJammerTestConsoleApplication
{
    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer abstract class
    /// </summary>
    public unsafe abstract class StringJammer
    {
        protected static byte[] sieve = new byte[256];
        protected void Init()
        {
            sieve.Initialize();
            for (uint i = (int)'A'; i <= (int)'Z'; i++)
                sieve[i] = 1;
            for (uint i = (int)'a'; i <= (int)'z'; i++)
                sieve[i] = 1;

            copyProcs.Initialize();
            for (int i = 0; i < copyProcs.Length; i++)
            {
                if ((i >= (int)'A') && (i <= (int)'Z') ||
                    (i >= (int)'a') && (i <= (int)'z'))
                    copyProcs[i] = copyChar;
                    else
                    copyProcs[i] = dummyCopyChar;
            }
        }

        public abstract void Jam(ref string stringToJam);
        protected static copyCharDelegate[] copyProcs = new
copyCharDelegate[256];
        protected delegate void copyCharDelegate(char* c, ref int i, ref int
j, ref bool upperCase);

        protected static void copyChar(char* c, ref int i, ref int j, ref
bool upperCase)
        {
            Char cc = c[i++];
            if (upperCase)
            {
                if (Char.IsUpper(cc))
                    c[j++] = cc;
                else
                    c[j++] = Char.ToUpper(cc);
                upperCase = false;
            }
            else
            {
                if (char.IsLower(cc))
                    c[j++] = cc;
                else
                    c[j++] = Char.ToLower(cc);
            }
        }
        protected static void dummyCopyChar(char* c, ref int i, ref int j,
ref bool upperCase)
        {
            c[i++] = Char.MinValue;
            if (!upperCase ) upperCase = true;
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer1 class - first string jamming strategy
    /// </summary>
    public class StringJammer1 : StringJammer
    {
        public StringJammer1() { Init(); }
        public override void Jam(ref string stringToJam)
        {
            StringBuilder result = new StringBuilder(stringToJam.Length);
            bool upperCase = true;
            foreach (char c in stringToJam.ToCharArray())
            {
                if (sieve[(int)c] == 0) upperCase = true;
                else if (upperCase)
                {
                    result.Append(c.ToString().ToUpper());
                    upperCase = false;
                }
                else result.Append(c.ToString().ToLower());
            }
            stringToJam = result.ToString().Trim();
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer2 class - second string jamming strategy
    /// </summary>
    public class StringJammer2 : StringJammer
    {
        public StringJammer2() { Init(); }
        public override void Jam(ref string stringToJam)
        {
            unsafe
            {
                fixed (char* c = stringToJam)
                {
                    bool upperCase = true;
                    int i = 0, j = 0;
                    while (i < stringToJam.Length)
                    {
                        if (sieve[c[i]] == 0)
                        {
                            c[i++] = ' ';
                            upperCase = true;
                        }
                        else if (upperCase)
                        {
                            c[j++] = Char.ToUpper(c[i++]); upperCase =
false;
                        }
                        else
                        {
                            c[j++] = Char.ToLower(c[i++]);
                        }
                    }
                    while (j < stringToJam.Length) c[j++] = ' ';
                }
                stringToJam = stringToJam.Trim();
            }
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer3 class - third string jamming strategy
    /// </summary>
    public class StringJammer3 : StringJammer
    {
        public StringJammer3() { Init(); }
        public override void Jam(ref string stringToJam)
        {
            unsafe
            {
                fixed (char* c = stringToJam)
                {
                    bool upperCase = true;
                    int i = 0, j = 0;
                    while (i < stringToJam.Length)
                        copyProcs[c[i]](c, ref i, ref j, ref upperCase);
                    while (j < stringToJam.Length) c[j++] = Char.MinValue;
                }
                stringToJam = stringToJam.Trim(Char.MinValue);
            }
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// StringJammer4 class - fourth string jamming strategy
    /// </summary>
    public class StringJammer4 : StringJammer
    {
        public StringJammer4() { Init(); }
        private bool isNotJammable(char c)
        {
            return Char.IsLetter(c); 
        }
        public override void Jam(ref string stringToJam)
        {
            unsafe
            {
                fixed (char* c = stringToJam)
                {
                    bool upperCase = true;
                    int i = 0, j = 0;
                    while (i < stringToJam.Length)
                    {
                        char cc = c[i++];
                        //if (Char.IsLetter(cc))
                        if (isNotJammable(cc))
                        {
                            if (upperCase)
                            {
                                if (Char.IsUpper(cc)) c[j++] = cc;
                                else c[j++] = Char.ToUpper(cc);
                                upperCase = false;
                            }
                            else
                            {
                                if (Char.IsLower(cc)) c[j++] = cc;
                                else c[j++] = Char.ToLower(cc);
                            }
                        }
                        else upperCase = true;
                    }
                    while (j < stringToJam.Length) c[j++] = Char.MinValue;
                }
                stringToJam = stringToJam.Trim(Char.MinValue);
            }
        }
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// Test
    /// </summary>
    class Program
    {
        static void Main(string[] args)
        {
            const long MAX_CYCLES = 1000000;
            string[] test = {
            " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#=======",
            "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer=======",
            "gency-broadcast-system     $()#     "
            };
            
            StringJammer[] jummers = { 
                    new StringJammer1(), 
                    new StringJammer2(), 
                    new StringJammer3(),
                    new StringJammer4()
            };
            for (int k = 0; k < jummers.Length; k++)
            {
                long cyclesQty = MAX_CYCLES;
                Console.WriteLine("+ {0}\n  {1:D} cycles  started at  {2}",
                         jummers[k].GetType().ToString(),
                         MAX_CYCLES, DateTime.Now.ToLongTimeString());
                while (cyclesQty > 0)
                {
                    for (int i = 0; i < test.Length; i++)
                    {
                        string result = new
StringBuilder(test[i]).ToString();
                        jummers[k].Jam(ref result);
                        if (cyclesQty == MAX_CYCLES)
                        {
                            Console.WriteLine(test[i] + " => {" + result +
"}");
                        }
                    }
                    --cyclesQty;
                }
                Console.WriteLine("- {0}\n  {1:D} cycles finished at {2}\n",
                         jummers[k].GetType().ToString(),
                         MAX_CYCLES, DateTime.Now.ToLongTimeString());
            }

            Console.WriteLine("Press any key to continue...");
            Console.ReadKey();  
        }
    }
}


+ StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer1
  1000000 cycles  started at  13:09:56
 # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#======= => {HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld}
@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer======= => {ThisIsATestOfTheEmer}
gency-broadcast-system     $()#      => {GencyBroadcastSystem}
- StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer1
  1000000 cycles finished at  13:10:15

+ StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer2
  1000000 cycles  started at  13:10:15
 # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#======= => {HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld}
@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer======= => {ThisIsATestOfTheEmer}
gency-broadcast-system     $()#      => {GencyBroadcastSystem}
- StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer2
  1000000 cycles finished at  13:10:21

+ StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer3
  1000000 cycles  started at  13:10:21
 # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#======= => {HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld}
@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer======= => {ThisIsATestOfTheEmer}
gency-broadcast-system     $()#      => {GencyBroadcastSystem}
- StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer3
  1000000 cycles finished at  13:10:25

+ StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer4
  1000000 cycles  started at  13:10:25
 # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#======= => {HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld}
@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emer======= => {ThisIsATestOfTheEmer}
gency-broadcast-system     $()#      => {GencyBroadcastSystem}
- StringJammerTestConsoleApplication.StringJammer4
  1000000 cycles finished at  13:10:29




--
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Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 12:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Shamil,
Clearly your compiled solution is by way and far the quickest solution.
I have tried all sorts of VBA solutions including looking at XOR, IMP, EQV,
bitwise solutions, but there overheads were considerable.
The best I can come up with in VBA is below.
One million iterations on my Dell Inspiron comes in at 3 min 52 secs.

If John didn't want to Hump it, then RegExpr appears to be the answer within
pure VBA 

Max

<<<tail trimmed to make this message smaller>>>


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 03:59:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:59:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a crosstab query
Message-ID: <s700d31d.091@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

You could use a Union Query for this. Union the query you have with another one like that but without any grouping.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 30-09-2007 16:08 >>>
The xtab in question lists horses on the rows and lesson types on the
columns (i.e. private, semi-private, group), then populates the columns with
counts for the number of lessons per horse per lesson type. No problem so
far. But the specs call for vertical totals of the columns, and I cannot
figure out how to do them with the xtab wizard. What I need is a sum of
each of the columns to be presented as the bottom row (i.e sum of private,
semi-private and group columns, including all horses).

Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

Arthur




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 04:02:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 11:02:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Totals on a crosstab query
Message-ID: <s700d3d3.092@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Looks like we agree! 
I hadn't read your post before answering Arthur's request.

/gustav

>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 01-10-2007 08:50 >>>
On 30 Sep 2007 at 10:08, Arthur Fuller wrote:

> The xtab in question lists horses on the rows and lesson types on the
> columns (i.e. private, semi-private, group), then populates the columns with
> counts for the number of lessons per horse per lesson type. No problem so
> far. But the specs call for vertical totals of the columns, and I cannot
> figure out how to do them with the xtab wizard. What I need is a sum of
> each of the columns to be presented as the bottom row (i.e sum of private,
> semi-private and group columns, including all horses).
> 
> Any suggestions gratefully accepted.

In a pure query, you would need to use a UNION of the crosstab with a second 
"SELECT DISTINCT...SUM(...).......GROUP BY...." query.

If you base a report on the query, you can have a Footer section where you can do the totalling.





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 05:34:00 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:34:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <s700d286.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002d01c80416$94e2eaf0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Gustav,
I have tried your version of poking the values into a string using the MID.
The results is 31 seconds LONGER than the previous verions.
Both version are below.  Identical (I think) apart from the poking bit.

Max

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const conBadChars As String = "!?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in this
string
Const conIterations As Long = 1000000 ' one million iterations

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBAPoking()
  ' This times at 4 mins 16 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5), lngPos As Long
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      str2Parse = varStr(iVarLoop): bFlipCase = True: strResult =
Left(Space(255), Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = LCase(Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1))
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          lngPos = lngPos + 1
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          Mid(strResult, lngPos, 1) = strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      strResult = Trim(strResult) ' drop any spaces left in string
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBA()
  ' This times at 3 mins 45 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop)): bFlipCase = True: strResult = ""
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this
construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then
replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it
matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are ' not allowed by Windows as a
file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen ' 2002-05-22.
Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the
right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your
code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate
not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 30-09-2007 10:52 >>>
Hi Shamil,
Clearly your compiled solution is by way and far the quickest solution.
I have tried all sorts of VBA solutions including looking at XOR, IMP, EQV,
bitwise solutions, but there overheads were considerable.
The best I can come up with in VBA is below.
One million iterations on my Dell Inspiron comes in at 3 min 52 secs.

If John didn't want to Hump it, then RegExpr appears to be the answer within
pure VBA 

Max

Function dbc2()
  Const conGoodChars As String = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" ' valid
characters
  Const conBadChars As String = "?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in
this string
  Const conLoops As Long = 1000000
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVars As Integer, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLen As Integer, strTemp As String, bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As
String, strResult As String, strBit As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  "
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conLoops
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      strResult = ""
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop))
      str2Parse = UCase(Left(str2Parse, 1)) & Mid(str2Parse, 2)
      For iLen = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLen, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLen
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  MsgBox tLapsedTime: Debug.Print tLapsedTime End Function
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

<<<
However for more complicated
string operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very
suitable and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.
>>>
Hi Mike,

That's clear, and the John's task is to get the speediest solution.


--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Shamil, yes regex's are slower in .Net due to I believe all the objects
overhead.  For simple string operations regexes would probrably not be
effiecent BUT would be easier to write.  However for more complicated string
operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very suitable
and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.

Mike...

> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to note: I have seen somewhere an article about RegEx being 
> considerably slower than a mere strings comparison etc. I cannot find 
> this article now, can you?
>
> Here is a similar article on ColdFusion and Java (watch line wraps) -
>
>
http://www.bennadel.com/blog/410-Regular-Expression-Finds-vs-String-Finds.ht

> m
>
> The info above should be also true for C#/VB.NET (just remember there 
> are no miracles in this world)...
>
> John, this could be critical information for you because of your 
> computers processing zillion gigabytes of data - if that slowness of 
> RegEx
vs.
> string
> comparison operation proves to be true then mere chars/strings 
> comparison and simple iteration over source string's char array could 
> be the most effective solution, which will save you hours and hours of
computing time:
>
> - define a 256 bytes long table (I guess you use extended ASCII (256 
> chars
> max) only John - right?) with to be stripped out chars marked by 1;
> - define upperCase flag;
> - allocate destination string, which is as long as the source one - 
> use StringBuilder;
> - iterate source string and use current char's ASCII code as an index 
> of a cell of array mentioned above:
>     a) if the array's cell has value > 0  then the source char should 
> be stripped out/skipped; set uppercase flag = true;
>     b) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = true 
> then uppercase current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's; set uppercase flag = false;
>     c) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = false 
> then lower case current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's string;
>
>
> Here is C# code:
>
>
> private static string[] delimiters = "
> |%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|(|)".Split('|');
> private static byte[] sieve = new byte[255]; private static bool 
> initialized = false; static void JamOutBadChars() { if (!initialized) 
> {
>     sieve.Initialize();
>     foreach (string delimiter in delimiters)
>     {
>         sieve[(int)delimiter.Substring(0, 1).ToCharArray()[0]] = 1;
>     }
>     initialized = true;
> }
> string[] test = {"John colby  ",
>         "%idiotic_Field*name&!@",
>         " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#",
>         "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system          "};
>
> foreach (string source in test)
> {
>     StringBuilder result = new StringBuilder(source.Length);
>     bool upperCase = true;
>     foreach (char c in source.ToCharArray())
>     {
>         if (sieve[(int)c] > 0) upperCase = true;
>         else if (upperCase)
>         {
>             result.Append(c.ToString().ToUpper());
>             upperCase = false;
>         }
>         else result.Append(c.ToString().ToLower());
>     }
>     Console.WriteLine(source + " => {" + result + "}"); } }
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Bahr
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
>
> Hi John, here is one way to do it (although there are many ways to get 
> the same end result).  Mind you this is air code but hopefully should 
> be enough to get you going.  You will need to create the main loop 
> within your code.
>
> Create a list of all delimiters that are used in your CSV files such 
> as delimiters = '%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:| '
>
> then run through your CSV files line by line evaluating the line 
> saving the line into an array thisarray = Split(line, delimiters)
>
> then run through the array performing a Ucase on the first letter of 
> each word newline = ""
> For item=1 to ubound
>   newline = newline & whatEverToCapFirstChar(item) Next item
>
> where ubound is the array size
>
>
> Now here are two scripts that do the same thing, one is Perl and the 
> other is TCL.  Both of these languages are open source and free and 
> can be gotten at http://www.activestate.com/Products/languages.plex
>
> Perl:
>
> my $delimiters = '/:| |\%|\*|\$|\@|\!|\#|\&|^|_|-|,|\./';
> my @test = ("John colby",
>             "%idiotic_Field*name",
>             "hey#hey#Hey,hello_world",
>             "this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system");
>
> foreach my $item (@test) {
>    my $temp = "";
>    my @list = split ($delimiters, $item);
>    foreach my $thing (@list) {
>       $temp .= ucfirst($thing);
>    }
>    print "$temp\n";
>
> }
>
> Result
> d:\Perl>pascalcase.pl
> JohnColby
> IdioticFieldName
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld
> ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
> TCL:
>
> set delimiters {%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|\ "} set test [list {John 
> colby} {%idiotic_Field*name} {hey#hey#Hey,hello_world} 
> {this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system}]
>
>
> foreach item $test {
>    set str ""
>    set mylist [split $item, $delimiters]
>    foreach thing $mylist {
>       set s [string totitle $thing]
>       set str "$str$s"
>    }
>    puts $str
>
> }
>
> Results
> D:\VisualTcl\Projects>tclsh pascalcase.tcl JohnColby IdioticFieldName 
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
>
> hth, Mike...

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From robert at servicexp.com  Mon Oct  1 06:21:28 2007
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 07:21:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2K - Locking Problem
In-Reply-To: <s700cb3f.089@cactus.dk>
References: <s700cb3f.089@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4700D838.8020509@servicexp.com>

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Gustav,
 I don't believe so. My users machines were fully patched, with the
problem. I don't believe that I discovered the solution until early this
year. I do remember posting a "Heads Up" here a few weeks after I
confirmed the patch worked.

 I had to call MS for the patches, as it was not openly available at the
time.  I would think by now though, the patches would have been rolled
up into an open released patch.

 If I remember correctly, there was a newer version of Jet in the patch..

WBR
Robert


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Robert and Reuben
> 
> But wasn't that patch (from April, 2005) included in Win2003 SP2?
> 
> <quote>
> Service pack information
> To resolve this problem, obtain the latest service pack for Windows Server 2003. ..
> </quote>
> 
> If so, Reuben, this means that the notwork guys didn't update the server. And if so, what do they think SPs are for?
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> robert at servicexp.com 28-09-2007 23:55 >>>
> Reuben,
>  I struggled for a looooooong time with what sounds like the same error. I
> just happened across a MS KB about the problem. Had my users install the
> patches and problem solved. 
> 
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/895751 
> 
> 
> If you need the patch's (Win 2003 & XP) I believe I still have them..
> 
> 
> 
> WBR
> Robert
> 
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 9:54 AM
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] A2K - Locking Problem
> 
> I have a client that is receiving messages stating "The Microsoft Jet
> Database engine stopped the process because you..."  Basically trying to say
> that the record has been edited by someone else.
> 
> This has happened several times lately.  There is always a .ldb hangin
> around after closing the app (by all users - there are 4 users).  This is
> occurring even if only one person is using the app.  And even then the ldb
> is still not deleted.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 07:11:06 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:11:06 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
Message-ID: <s7010017.097@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

No, they are not identical. Here is the corrected version which now runs slightly faster:

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBAPoking()
'  ' This times at 4 mins 16 seconds
  ' This times at 3 mins 40 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit As String
  Dim varStr(5), lngPos As Long
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted: "HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted: "Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
    
'     str2Parse = varStr(iVarLoop): bFlipCase = True: strResult = Left(Space(255), Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop)): bFlipCase = True: strResult = Space(Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
'        strBit = LCase(Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1))
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1)
        
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          lngPos = lngPos + 1
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          Mid(strResult, lngPos, 1) = strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      strResult = Trim(strResult) ' drop any spaces left in string
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 01-10-2007 12:34 >>>
Hi Gustav,
I have tried your version of poking the values into a string using the MID.
The results is 31 seconds LONGER than the previous verions.
Both version are below.  Identical (I think) apart from the poking bit.

Max

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Const conBadChars As String = "!?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in this
string
Const conIterations As Long = 1000000 ' one million iterations

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBAPoking()
  ' This times at 4 mins 16 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5), lngPos As Long
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      str2Parse = varStr(iVarLoop): bFlipCase = True: strResult =
Left(Space(255), Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = LCase(Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1))
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          lngPos = lngPos + 1
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          Mid(strResult, lngPos, 1) = strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      strResult = Trim(strResult) ' drop any spaces left in string
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBA()
  ' This times at 3 mins 45 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop)): bFlipCase = True: strResult = ""
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:57 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this
construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then
replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it
matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are ' not allowed by Windows as a
file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen ' 2002-05-22.
Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the
right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your
code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate
not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 30-09-2007 10:52 >>>
Hi Shamil,
Clearly your compiled solution is by way and far the quickest solution.
I have tried all sorts of VBA solutions including looking at XOR, IMP, EQV,
bitwise solutions, but there overheads were considerable.
The best I can come up with in VBA is below.
One million iterations on my Dell Inspiron comes in at 3 min 52 secs.

If John didn't want to Hump it, then RegExpr appears to be the answer within
pure VBA 

Max

Function dbc2()
  Const conGoodChars As String = "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" ' valid
characters
  Const conBadChars As String = "?$%^&*()_-+@'#~?><|\, " ' space also in
this string
  Const conLoops As Long = 1000000
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVars As Integer, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLen As Integer, strTemp As String, bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As
String, strResult As String, strBit As String
  Dim varStr(5)
  varStr(1) = "John colby  "
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conLoops
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
      strResult = ""
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop))
      str2Parse = UCase(Left(str2Parse, 1)) & Mid(str2Parse, 2)
      For iLen = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLen, 1)
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          strResult = strResult & strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLen
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  MsgBox tLapsedTime: Debug.Print tLapsedTime End Function
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

<<<
However for more complicated
string operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very
suitable and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.
>>>
Hi Mike,

That's clear, and the John's task is to get the speediest solution.


--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael Bahr
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Shamil, yes regex's are slower in .Net due to I believe all the objects
overhead.  For simple string operations regexes would probrably not be
effiecent BUT would be easier to write.  However for more complicated string
operations like validating an email address, a regex would be very suitable
and doable in one line vs. many, many lines the other way.

Mike...

> Hi All,
>
> I wanted to note: I have seen somewhere an article about RegEx being 
> considerably slower than a mere strings comparison etc. I cannot find 
> this article now, can you?
>
> Here is a similar article on ColdFusion and Java (watch line wraps) -
>
>
http://www.bennadel.com/blog/410-Regular-Expression-Finds-vs-String-Finds.ht 

> m
>
> The info above should be also true for C#/VB.NET (just remember there 
> are no miracles in this world)...
>
> John, this could be critical information for you because of your 
> computers processing zillion gigabytes of data - if that slowness of 
> RegEx
vs.
> string
> comparison operation proves to be true then mere chars/strings 
> comparison and simple iteration over source string's char array could 
> be the most effective solution, which will save you hours and hours of
computing time:
>
> - define a 256 bytes long table (I guess you use extended ASCII (256 
> chars
> max) only John - right?) with to be stripped out chars marked by 1;
> - define upperCase flag;
> - allocate destination string, which is as long as the source one - 
> use StringBuilder;
> - iterate source string and use current char's ASCII code as an index 
> of a cell of array mentioned above:
>     a) if the array's cell has value > 0  then the source char should 
> be stripped out/skipped; set uppercase flag = true;
>     b) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = true 
> then uppercase current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's; set uppercase flag = false;
>     c) if the array's cell has zero value and uppercase flag = false 
> then lower case current source char and copy it to the destination 
> StringBuilder's string;
>
>
> Here is C# code:
>
>
> private static string[] delimiters = "
> |%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|(|)".Split('|');
> private static byte[] sieve = new byte[255]; private static bool 
> initialized = false; static void JamOutBadChars() { if (!initialized) 
> {
>     sieve.Initialize();
>     foreach (string delimiter in delimiters)
>     {
>         sieve[(int)delimiter.Substring(0, 1).ToCharArray()[0]] = 1;
>     }
>     initialized = true;
> }
> string[] test = {"John colby  ",
>         "%idiotic_Field*name&!@",
>         " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#",
>         "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system          "};
>
> foreach (string source in test)
> {
>     StringBuilder result = new StringBuilder(source.Length);
>     bool upperCase = true;
>     foreach (char c in source.ToCharArray())
>     {
>         if (sieve[(int)c] > 0) upperCase = true;
>         else if (upperCase)
>         {
>             result.Append(c.ToString().ToUpper());
>             upperCase = false;
>         }
>         else result.Append(c.ToString().ToLower());
>     }
>     Console.WriteLine(source + " => {" + result + "}"); } }
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael 
> Bahr
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:25 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
>
> Hi John, here is one way to do it (although there are many ways to get 
> the same end result).  Mind you this is air code but hopefully should 
> be enough to get you going.  You will need to create the main loop 
> within your code.
>
> Create a list of all delimiters that are used in your CSV files such 
> as delimiters = '%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:| '
>
> then run through your CSV files line by line evaluating the line 
> saving the line into an array thisarray = Split(line, delimiters)
>
> then run through the array performing a Ucase on the first letter of 
> each word newline = ""
> For item=1 to ubound
>   newline = newline & whatEverToCapFirstChar(item) Next item
>
> where ubound is the array size
>
>
> Now here are two scripts that do the same thing, one is Perl and the 
> other is TCL.  Both of these languages are open source and free and 
> can be gotten at http://www.activestate.com/Products/languages.plex 
>
> Perl:
>
> my $delimiters = '/:| |\%|\*|\$|\@|\!|\#|\&|^|_|-|,|\./';
> my @test = ("John colby",
>             "%idiotic_Field*name",
>             "hey#hey#Hey,hello_world",
>             "this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system");
>
> foreach my $item (@test) {
>    my $temp = "";
>    my @list = split ($delimiters, $item);
>    foreach my $thing (@list) {
>       $temp .= ucfirst($thing);
>    }
>    print "$temp\n";
>
> }
>
> Result
> d:\Perl>pascalcase.pl
> JohnColby
> IdioticFieldName
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld
> ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
> TCL:
>
> set delimiters {%|*|$|@|!|#|&|^|_|-|,|.|;|:|\ "} set test [list {John 
> colby} {%idiotic_Field*name} {hey#hey#Hey,hello_world} 
> {this#is_a_test_of_the-emergency-broadcast-system}]
>
>
> foreach item $test {
>    set str ""
>    set mylist [split $item, $delimiters]
>    foreach thing $mylist {
>       set s [string totitle $thing]
>       set str "$str$s"
>    }
>    puts $str
>
> }
>
> Results
> D:\VisualTcl\Projects>tclsh pascalcase.tcl JohnColby IdioticFieldName 
> HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld ThisIsATestOfTheEmergencyBroadcastSystem
>
>
> hth, Mike...



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 07:47:01 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:47:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <s7010017.097@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000301c80429$2a8504f0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Thanks Gustav,missed those bits.
Poking now completes in 3 min 26 sec
Concatenating now completes in 3 mins 41 seconds 
A diff of 14 secs over 1 million iterations.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:11 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max

No, they are not identical. Here is the corrected version which now runs
slightly faster:

Function CamelCaseBestSoFar4VBAPoking()
'  ' This times at 4 mins 16 seconds
  ' This times at 3 mins 40 seconds
  Dim tStartTime As Date, tEndTime As Date, tLapsedTime As Date, iLoop As
Long, iVarLoop As Integer
  Dim iLenLoop As Integer, iVars As Integer
  Dim bFlipCase As Boolean, str2Parse As String, strResult As String, strBit
As String
  Dim varStr(5), lngPos As Long
  varStr(1) = "John colby  " ' Result wanted: "JohnColby"
  varStr(2) = "%idiotic_Field*name&!@" ' Result wanted: "IdioticFieldName"
  varStr(3) = " # hey#hey#Hey,hello_world$%#" ' Result wanted:
"HeyHeyHeyHelloWorld"
  varStr(4) = "@#$this#is_a_test_of_the-emerGency-broadcast-system" ' Result
wanted: "ThisIsATestOftheEmergencyBroadcastSystem"
  varStr(5) = "thisisastringwithnobadchars" ' Result wanted:
"Thisisastringwithnobadchars"
  iVars = 5
  tStartTime = Now
  For iLoop = 1 To conIterations
    For iVarLoop = 1 To iVars
    
'     str2Parse = varStr(iVarLoop): bFlipCase = True: strResult =
Left(Space(255), Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      str2Parse = LCase(varStr(iVarLoop)): bFlipCase = True: strResult =
Space(Len(str2Parse)): lngPos = 0
      
      For iLenLoop = 1 To Len(str2Parse)
'        strBit = LCase(Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1))
        strBit = Mid(str2Parse, iLenLoop, 1)
        
        If InStr(conBadChars, strBit) = 0 Then
          lngPos = lngPos + 1
          If bFlipCase = True Then strBit = UCase(strBit): bFlipCase = False
          Mid(strResult, lngPos, 1) = strBit
        Else
          bFlipCase = True
        End If
      Next iLenLoop
      strResult = Trim(strResult) ' drop any spaces left in string
      'Debug.Print strResult
    Next iVarLoop
  Next iLoop
  tEndTime = Now
  tLapsedTime = tEndTime - tStartTime
  'MsgBox tLapsedTime:
  Debug.Print tLapsedTime
End Function

/gustav



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 07:57:59 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 14:57:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
Message-ID: <s7010b05.001@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Fine. Now try with a string of, say, 8K ...

Hint: Reduce conIterations by a 10- or 100-factor.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 01-10-2007 14:47 >>>
Thanks Gustav,missed those bits.
Poking now completes in 3 min 26 sec
Concatenating now completes in 3 mins 41 seconds 
A diff of 14 secs over 1 million iterations.

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 08:44:08 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:44:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <s7010b05.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000901c80431$2500d7e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

No, need.  Faster is faster.

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:58 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max

Fine. Now try with a string of, say, 8K ...

Hint: Reduce conIterations by a 10- or 100-factor.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 01-10-2007 14:47 >>>
Thanks Gustav,missed those bits.
Poking now completes in 3 min 26 sec
Concatenating now completes in 3 mins 41 seconds A diff of 14 secs over 1
million iterations.

Max


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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Oct  1 09:27:38 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:27:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DDBB@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 10:20:01 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:20:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?

There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

TIA.
Arthur


From askolits at nni.com  Mon Oct  1 10:47:29 2007
From: askolits at nni.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:47:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701c80442$5f753a90$0f01a8c0@officexp>

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field 
Dim prop As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  1 10:46:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:46:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DDBB@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DDBB@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Mon Oct  1 10:51:11 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 08:51:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701c80442$e41679d0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Arthur,

Try DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowUnhide

doug 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?

There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

TIA.
Arthur
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  1 10:53:03 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 17:53:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
Message-ID: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk>

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799






From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Oct  1 11:01:32 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:01:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DDBB@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF18@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I found what is happening but don't have a solution yet. When I click on the command button to print a report it triggers the on exit event of the startdate or enddate textboxes depending on which one has the focus. The code to print does not run and the report does not print. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Oct  1 11:07:38 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:07:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  1 11:10:04 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:10:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <003701c80442$e41679d0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
	<003701c80442$e41679d0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B7@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

That's the database window, not the switchboard manager.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Arthur,

Try DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdWindowUnhide

doug 

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard
manager?

There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

TIA.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  1 11:12:03 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 09:12:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

First examine why you have OnExit events there.  If this is in a header,
you can't have all that many controls in it.  Why not just use tab order
and skip the OnExit.  Setting a focus in OnExit can drive a user crazy.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


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Engineering Technician
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 11:28:32 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 17:28:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005301c80448$1c276780$8119fea9@LTVM>

Arthur,
Try this.

DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSwitchboardManager

Max
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?

There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

TIA.
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From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Mon Oct  1 11:41:16 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:41:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <003701c80442$5f753a90$0f01a8c0@officexp>
References: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
	<003701c80442$5f753a90$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A106A842A@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Shot in the dark here, but maybe you have to create the caption property for the field BEFORE appending the field to the table.

Don

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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field 
Dim prop As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.


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From askolits at nni.com  Mon Oct  1 11:56:10 2007
From: askolits at nni.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:56:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A106A842A@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <004201c8044b$f7a6a110$6601a8c0@LaptopXP>

Actually tried that. Same error.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Shot in the dark here, but maybe you have to create the caption property for
the field BEFORE appending the field to the table.

Don

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field 
Dim prop As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 11:59:41 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 12:59:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <005301c80448$1c276780$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <29f585dd0710010820l3ef42cbai6f55cbf9ab536a69@mail.gmail.com>
	<005301c80448$1c276780$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710010959w42b0dce2x8110753d1fe8fb1c@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly, that one is not listed. I should have mentioned that I tried that. At
least until I figure it out, it's available on the menu.

On 10/1/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur,
> Try this.
>
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSwitchboardManager
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
>
> Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?
>
> There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.
>
> TIA.
> Arthur
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 12:13:18 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:13:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710010959w42b0dce2x8110753d1fe8fb1c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006001c8044e$5da34340$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hi Arthur,
It works for my system (Access 2002-2003) V11.0 SP2

Are you running a different version to me perhaps?

Check out the  docmd.runcommand options.  There are tons there.


Max
 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 6:00 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager

Sadly, that one is not listed. I should have mentioned that I tried that. At
least until I figure it out, it's available on the menu.

On 10/1/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur,
> Try this.
>
> DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSwitchboardManager
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 4:20 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
>
> Anyone know what the docmd.runcommand is to open the switchboard manager?
>
> There is a whole list of these somewhere but I can't seem to find it.
>
> TIA.
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 12:39:48 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:39:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Command to access the switchboard manager
In-Reply-To: <006001c8044e$5da34340$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <29f585dd0710010959w42b0dce2x8110753d1fe8fb1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<006001c8044e$5da34340$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710011039g438cba88w7ce7f9b170006826@mail.gmail.com>

That explains it. This app is in Access 2000. Thanks for the clarification.

On 10/1/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur,
> It works for my system (Access 2002-2003) V11.0 SP2
>
> Are you running a different version to me perhaps?
>
> Check out the  docmd.runcommand options.  There are tons there.
>
>


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct  1 12:53:02 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 18:53:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <003701c80442$5f753a90$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <008001c80453$e9b77450$2b51d355@minster33c3r25>

Hi John
Have you tried?


Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption")
prop.Type=dbText
prop.Value="Test Caption"
fld.Properties.Append prop

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Skolits
> Sent: 01 October 2007 16:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property
> 
> 
> My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table 
> fields. I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to 
> many archives and all the solution seemed similar, but it 
> still won't work for me. Can anyone tell me what's wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field 
> Dim prop As Dao.Property
>   
>     'Create Table (This Works)
>     Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
>     Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")
> 
>     'Create Field  (This Works)
>     Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
>     tdf.Fields.Append fld
>     
>     'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
>      Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")
> 
>     'Append the property (Breaks Here)
>     fld.Properties.Append prop
> 
>  
> Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 13:11:16 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 19:11:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <004201c8044b$f7a6a110$6601a8c0@LaptopXP>
Message-ID: <006a01c80456$78a6e040$8119fea9@LTVM>

John,
You cannot do that because the property already exists!  The CAPTION
property is already defined when you create a table.  You cannot re-create
it.

You should be able to do something with this code below.  I leave it to you
to adapt it to do whatever it is you want.

Regards

Max


Function fSetFieldCaptions()
  On Error Resume Next
  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, prp As Property, fld As Field, tbl As
DAO.TableDef
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  For Each tbl In dbs.TableDefs
    If tbl.Name = "Table1" Then
    For Each fld In tbl.Fields
      For Each prp In fld.Properties
        If fld.Name = "Desc" Then
          If prp.Name = "Caption" Then
              prp.Value = "MyNewCaptionName"
          End If
        End If
      Next prp
    Next fld
    End If
  Next tbl
End Function

 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Actually tried that. Same error.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Shot in the dark here, but maybe you have to create the caption property for
the field BEFORE appending the field to the table.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field Dim prop
As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.


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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Oct  1 13:20:24 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 13:20:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E042@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I was using OnExit events on a start date and end date text boxes on the
form to perform data validation. Maybe there is a better way to do this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

First examine why you have OnExit events there.  If this is in a header,
you can't have all that many controls in it.  Why not just use tab order
and skip the OnExit.  Setting a focus in OnExit can drive a user crazy.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  1 13:46:16 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 11:46:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E042@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E042@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037C4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Another way might be use the AfterUpdate events instead to call a test
that looks at both controls.  I'm assuming you're cross checking the
dates to be sure start is before end, etc?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I was using OnExit events on a start date and end date text boxes on the
form to perform data validation. Maybe there is a better way to do this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

First examine why you have OnExit events there.  If this is in a header,
you can't have all that many controls in it.  Why not just use tab order
and skip the OnExit.  Setting a focus in OnExit can drive a user crazy.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799




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From askolits at nni.com  Mon Oct  1 13:50:44 2007
From: askolits at nni.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:50:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <006a01c80456$78a6e040$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <004201c8044b$f7a6a110$6601a8c0@LaptopXP>
	<006a01c80456$78a6e040$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <008d01c8045b$f9423560$0f01a8c0@officexp>

Hmmm... Well I tried your code and it did not find the Caption property,
unless I had entered its value manually at some point.

The tables I'm creating are through VBA and there were never any caption
provided.

The Caption property is a strange one. It is not part of the field
properties unless you create it yourself. (Or enter the caption text using
Table Design mode.)

If you print out the properties, based on your code, the only ones found
are:

ValidationText
Required
AllowZeroLength
FieldSize
OriginalValue
VisibleValue
ColumnWidth
ColumnOrder
ColumnHidden
DecimalPlaces
DisplayControl
GUID
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

John,
You cannot do that because the property already exists!  The CAPTION
property is already defined when you create a table.  You cannot re-create
it.

You should be able to do something with this code below.  I leave it to you
to adapt it to do whatever it is you want.

Regards

Max


Function fSetFieldCaptions()
  On Error Resume Next
  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, prp As Property, fld As Field, tbl As
DAO.TableDef
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  For Each tbl In dbs.TableDefs
    If tbl.Name = "Table1" Then
    For Each fld In tbl.Fields
      For Each prp In fld.Properties
        If fld.Name = "Desc" Then
          If prp.Name = "Caption" Then
              prp.Value = "MyNewCaptionName"
          End If
        End If
      Next prp
    Next fld
    End If
  Next tbl
End Function

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:56 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Actually tried that. Same error.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray, Don
[IT]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Shot in the dark here, but maybe you have to create the caption property for
the field BEFORE appending the field to the table.

Don

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Skolits
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 8:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields.
I'm sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all
the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me.
Can anyone tell me what's wrong?



Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field Dim prop
As Dao.Property
  
    'Create Table (This Works)
    Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
    Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")

    'Create Field  (This Works)
    Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
    tdf.Fields.Append fld
    
    'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
     Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")

    'Append the property (Breaks Here)
    fld.Properties.Append prop

 
Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.


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From askolits at nni.com  Mon Oct  1 13:58:44 2007
From: askolits at nni.com (John Skolits)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 14:58:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property - RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <008001c80453$e9b77450$2b51d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <003701c80442$5f753a90$0f01a8c0@officexp>
	<008001c80453$e9b77450$2b51d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <008e01c8045d$17363fc0$0f01a8c0@officexp>

Yes, I did try that.

I have found that the problem is that you must append the table first to the
tables collection, before you can add the property.
That's weird since all the examples I have found seemed to indicate you
could do it while building the table.

Well, I finally figured it out.


Thanks,

John



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property

Hi John
Have you tried?


Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption") prop.Type=dbText prop.Value="Test
Caption"
fld.Properties.Append prop

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John 
> Skolits
> Sent: 01 October 2007 16:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption Property
> 
> 
> My objective is to simply add a caption to all my table fields. I'm 
> sure I'm missing something basic here. I went to many archives and all 
> the solution seemed similar, but it still won't work for me. Can 
> anyone tell me what's wrong?
> 
> 
> 
> Dim dbCurr As Dao.Database, tdf As Dao.TableDef, fld As Dao.Field Dim 
> prop As Dao.Property
>   
>     'Create Table (This Works)
>     Set dbCurr = CurrentDb()
>     Set tdf = dbs.CreateTableDef("tbl_TEST")
> 
>     'Create Field  (This Works)
>     Set fld = tdf.CreateField("Test Field" ,dbtext,  255)
>     tdf.Fields.Append fld
>     
>     'Create the CAPTION property. (This line is accepted)    
>      Set prop = fld.CreateProperty("Caption", dbText, "Test Caption")
> 
>     'Append the property (Breaks Here)
>     fld.Properties.Append prop
> 
>  
> Error: Run-time error '3219' - Invlaid operation.
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct  1 14:14:41 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 20:14:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Adding Caption  Property
In-Reply-To: <008d01c8045b$f9423560$0f01a8c0@officexp>
Message-ID: <007101c8045f$52706140$8119fea9@LTVM>

John,
Here is an example from the help file.  I am sure you can work through this
to do what you want.
I *think* that perhaps the Caption field is shown in Table Design view, even
though it has not actually been created, which is why when I run code like
this:

  Dim dbs As DAO.Database, sql as string 
  Set dbs = CurrentDb
  sql = "Create Table Table2 (MyDesc Text, MyNumber number)"
  dbs.Execute (sql)

And then look at it in Table Design view, I can see the Caption Property,
but I cannot see it in code UNLESS I first of all type a value into the
Caption Field, at which time (I think) Access actually creates the property.

Below is some code which should give you what you want.

I am running Access 2002-2003 Version 11.0 SP2

Regards
Max

CreateProperty Method Example

This example tries to set the value of a user-defined property. If the
property doesn't exist, it uses the CreateProperty method to create and set
the value of the new property. The SetProperty procedure is required for
this procedure to run.

Sub CreatePropertyX()

   Dim dbsNorthwind As Database
   Dim prpLoop As Property

   Set dbsNorthwind = OpenDatabase("Northwind.mdb")

   ' Set the Archive property to True.
   SetProperty dbsNorthwind, "Archive", True
   
   With dbsNorthwind
      Debug.Print "Properties of " & .Name
      
      ' Enumerate Properties collection of the Northwind 
      ' database.
      For Each prpLoop In .Properties
         If prpLoop <> "" Then Debug.Print "  " & _
            prpLoop.Name & " = " & prpLoop
      Next prpLoop

      ' Delete the new property since this is a 
      ' demonstration.
      .Properties.Delete "Archive"

      .Close
   End With

End Sub

Sub SetProperty(dbsTemp As Database, strName As String, _
   booTemp As Boolean)

   Dim prpNew As Property
   Dim errLoop As Error

   ' Attempt to set the specified property.
   On Error GoTo Err_Property
   dbsTemp.Properties("strName") = booTemp
   On Error GoTo 0

   Exit Sub

Err_Property:

   ' Error 3270 means that the property was not found.
   If DBEngine.Errors(0).Number = 3270 Then
      ' Create property, set its value, and append it to the 
      ' Properties collection.
      Set prpNew = dbsTemp.CreateProperty(strName, _
         dbBoolean, booTemp)
      dbsTemp.Properties.Append prpNew
      Resume Next
   Else
      ' If different error has occurred, display message.
      For Each errLoop In DBEngine.Errors
         MsgBox "Error number: " & errLoop.Number & vbCr & _
            errLoop.Description
      Next errLoop
      End
   End If

End Sub



From jengross at gte.net  Mon Oct  1 15:43:05 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2007 13:43:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Microsoft Project
Message-ID: <011601c8046b$b25eace0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hello All,

I have a client that is looking into using Microsoft Project or some
other project management software.  They are looking at either 2003 Pro
or one of the 2007 versions.  They will have multiple concurrent users
and will likely require customization with integration to both Microsoft
Access and SQL Server database.

I have never worked with Project and am looking for opinions, insight,
any thoughts on the matter.

Thank you in advance,

Jennifer Gross
office:  (805) 480-1921
fax:	   (805) 499-0467 




From cjlabs at worldnet.att.net  Mon Oct  1 16:20:16 2007
From: cjlabs at worldnet.att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 16:20:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Cannot export to RTF from Access2007
References: <009d01c8018b$aa123120$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001001c80470$de7f1da0$6401a8c0@XPcomputer>

FYI -- I got a return call from Microsoft that Access2007 cannot export to 
Word a report from a compiled Access2000 format database.   Access crashes 
when you attempt to export the report.  The original report that my database 
is corrupt was incorrect.

They are advising using 2002-2003 format or 2007 format with Access2007.


Carolyn Johnson



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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Cannot export to RTF from Access2007


>I have encountered differences between mdbs and mdes on A2K3 and WXP where
> the mdb would run and the mde would fail.
>
> The only way I was able to trace it down was to put message boxes in the
> code after every line - MsgBox "Point 1", MsgBox "Point 2", MsgBox "Point
> 3", etc.  Eventually I found a problem in the code that DIDN'T (!) raise 
> an
> error in the mdb but failed in the mde.
>
> Access.  Ya gotta love it.
>
> Not much help I know but that's my only experience with this.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Johnson
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 7:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Cannot export to RTF from Access2007
>
> I have a compiled Access2000 database running on Vista/Access2007.
>
> When I try to export any report to RTF, I get an error that Access is
> shutting down.    On a second computer running Vista/Access2007, I get the
> error "Object variable or With block variable not set".  (Not sure why 
> there
> are different responses.)
>
> Non-compiled version of the database exports without an error on
> Vista/Access2007 machine.
>
> Either compiled or non-compiled database on the same computer in 
> Access2003
> exports fine.
>
> Either compiled or non-compiled database on a WindowsXP/Access2000 machine
> exports fine.
>
> Unfortunately, I don't have Access2007 on a non-Vista computer at the
> moment.
>
>
> Does anyone have any experience with this?
>
>
> TIA,
> Carolyn Johnson
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  2 07:59:12 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:59:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bulk insert and table names
Message-ID: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

You guys will love this one.  I am writing .Net stuff to do imports of these
huge text files.  I fill a directory with files to be imported, then the
code gets the file names in that directory and iterates through importing
the files.  I use the bulk copy object to do the insert.  

In this case I had files named using the two digit state code by the people
who generated the source files.

AK.txt
AL.txt
...
WY.txt

I simply stripped off the .txt and use the file name itself as the name of a
temp table into which I import the data.  Once imported and validated, I
then append the temp table to the permanent table and delete the temp table.
I log EVERYTHING from the start / stop time of each operation to the error
text, how many records successfully imported into the temp table etc.

With me so far?

My code takes off and runs.  I end up with TWO files - IN.txt and OR.txt -
that refuse to import.  The error message thrown by the Bulk Copy object is
"cannot access the destination table".  These tables - IN and OR do indeed
exist, nothing wrong with them.  I have code that builds the tables
on-the-fly and the tables are being built but the BulkCopy object cannot
append the data into them.

After an embarrassingly long period of head scratching, checking that I have
sufficient disk space (this is a terabyte array, I have enough space!),
compacting the database etc. it finally dawns on me that perhaps the table
names are verboten.  I changed the name of the input files from IN.txt to
IND.txt and OR.txt to ORE.txt and voila, she runs.

My best guess at this point is that the Bulk Copy object or something it
calls in SQL Server to get its job done views IN and OR as key words and
will not allow some operations to be performed on tables named that.  Notice
that I could execute, using the CMD object in .NET, SQL code to create the
tables and THAT worked.

Anyway, just another piece of trivia to remember - somewhere in the bowels
of SQL Server exists a distaste for table names (and field names as well?)
that are the same as key words.  Which of course leads us to the question,
where is the list of key words that we are not allowed to use?

On a related note, I also create and index a PKID in the tables.  In fact I
quite doing so in the temp tables since it served no useful purpose, however
while I was still doing so I ran into an interesting similar problem.  I was
naming the indexes IX & FieldName, whatever field name might be.  Because I
always used PKID as my field name, SQL Server complained about the index in
the second table I tried to create (I create the permanent and then the temp
table).  It turns out that the index names appear to be stored in a common
collection keyed on the index name and so the second time I tried to create
the same name for an index (in a DIFFERENT table) SQL Server threw an error.
I ended up using IX & TableName & FieldName as the index name and it worked
just fine of course.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Oct  2 08:07:00 2007
From: Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:07:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Bulk insert and table names
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Hi John

List of SQL 2000 Keywords

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa238507(SQL.80).aspx


Martin


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Telephone: 02890974465



From robert at webedb.com  Tue Oct  2 08:36:32 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:36:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7535.1190994530.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.7535.1190994530.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>

No.  The transactional tables are always part of a totally different system.

You use a process of some kind to load the data from the transactional system,
say orders, into the data mart.

tblCustomer                 tblCustomerType
CustID                      CustomerTypeID
CustName                    CustomerTypeDesc
CustTypeID
PmtTermsID

tblCustomerAddress          tblPmtTerms
CustAddressID               PmtTermsID
CustID                      PmtTermsDesc
AddressTypeID
AddressLine1                tblAddressType
AddressLine2                AddressTypeID
City                        AddressTypeDesc
State
PostalCode


tblOrder                    tblOrderDetail
OrderID                     OrderDetailID
CustID                      OrderID
ShippingMethodID            ProductID
OrderDate                   QtyOrdered
ShipDate                    QtyShipped

tblProducts                 tblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc
QtyOnHand
QtyOnOrder
ReorderPoint
LastCost
SalesPrice

Assuming the above as our transactional system and all the data entry
would be done in the above tables.

Our star schema would look something like this:

dtblCustomer                 dtblDates
CustomerID                   DateID
CustName                     YearText
CustTypeDesc                 YearNbr
PmtTermsDesc                 MonthText
ShippingAddressLine1         MonthNbr
ShippingAddressLine2         MonthAbrev
ShippingCity                 MonthYearText
ShippingState                YearMonthText
ShippingPostalCode           DayText
BillingAddressLine1          DayNbr
BillingAddressLine2          DayOfYearNbr
BillingCity
BillingState
BillingPostalCode

dtblProducts                dtblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc

ftblOrders
CustID
DateID
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

In ftblOrders the PK would be CustID, DateID, ProductID, ShippingMethodID.
Notice in dtblCustomer, the address information has been denormalized
so that we do not have to join to the address table.  If we did not do that,
it would be called a snowflake.

Sorry that I did not get back to you quicker. I would out of touch with email
due to my wedding :0)

Robert

At 10:48 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:21:10 +0100
>From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mucking around
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <019601c801da$d1b69000$8119fea9 at LTVM>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Robert, be careful now.  You are starting to drift away...
>
>Snowflake: This to me is a miltary policeman (RMP) so called because they
>wore white hats.
>True Stars: I can understand this cos my staff often say "Max you are a true
>star" (costs me a fortune each time).
>
>But, I *think* I am still with you.
>
>So, we have a Form which captures data.  (Is this the transactional system
>you mention).  The code then writes each entry into a Transaction Table
>(flat file) all data written regardless of duplication in other data
>entries.
>
>The Transaction Table then forms part of the data mart.  There is no lookup
>or linked tables. Everything is in the Transaction Table.
>
>Have I got it right so far?
>
>Max




From robert at webedb.com  Tue Oct  2 08:53:51 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:53:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7586.1191005567.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.7586.1191005567.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710021356.l92DuqWA003818@databaseadvisors.com>

Max,

I sent an example to the list a little while ago. I think
that will help you with the design. But, to expand on it
further.

ftblOrdersByWeek
CustID
WeekOfYear
YearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

ftblOrdersByMonthyear
CustID
MonthYearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

ftblOrdersByYear
CustID
YearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice


Now, there are additional fact tables that still use the same dimensions
but are now summarized differently. This is the advantage of a mart/warehouse.
All the math is already do. The data is stored at the granularity you
want to report at. Granularity is almost always related to the time dimension
of your facts.

ftbl - fact table
dtbl - dimension table

Robert

At 01:52 PM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:21:39 +0100
>From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mucking around
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <020e01c801fc$6ad269a0$8119fea9 at LTVM>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Thanks John,
>Normalised data I understand.
>What I don't understand is how we get from that to Data Marts.
>
>Q1: What do I  do with my normalised tables.  If the answer is to leave the
>data in the normalised table and then re-post it to a flat table, then why
>could that not have been done at data entry.
>Q2: If the answer to Q1 is go straight to flat tables, then what do I do
>AFTER that.
>
>When it then comes to pulling the data out into reports are we talking about
>using software other than Access?
>
>The terminology is throwing me a bit too (well, to be honest, it is throwing
>me a lot).
>With the help of you guys, I will undertand it eventually.
>
>What is conceptually throwing me at the moment though is this:  If the
>reason people use datamarts (Star/Snow) to quickly create reports which
>dice/slice down through the data, then are we or are we not just moving the
>"time Taken" from the report stage to the data input stage (which would make
>sense to me).  But if I am completely wrong here, then I really am "all at
>sea!"
>
>Thanks
>Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 08:58:13 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:58:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00c601c804fc$471a8850$8119fea9@LTVM>

Thanks Robert,
I will digest all of that in due course.
Congratulations on your wedding.
I hope it all went well for you.
Regards
Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:37 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)

No.  The transactional tables are always part of a totally different system.

You use a process of some kind to load the data from the transactional
system, say orders, into the data mart.

tblCustomer                 tblCustomerType
CustID                      CustomerTypeID
CustName                    CustomerTypeDesc
CustTypeID
PmtTermsID

tblCustomerAddress          tblPmtTerms
CustAddressID               PmtTermsID
CustID                      PmtTermsDesc
AddressTypeID
AddressLine1                tblAddressType
AddressLine2                AddressTypeID
City                        AddressTypeDesc
State
PostalCode


tblOrder                    tblOrderDetail
OrderID                     OrderDetailID
CustID                      OrderID
ShippingMethodID            ProductID
OrderDate                   QtyOrdered
ShipDate                    QtyShipped

tblProducts                 tblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc
QtyOnHand
QtyOnOrder
ReorderPoint
LastCost
SalesPrice

Assuming the above as our transactional system and all the data entry would
be done in the above tables.

Our star schema would look something like this:

dtblCustomer                 dtblDates
CustomerID                   DateID
CustName                     YearText
CustTypeDesc                 YearNbr
PmtTermsDesc                 MonthText
ShippingAddressLine1         MonthNbr
ShippingAddressLine2         MonthAbrev
ShippingCity                 MonthYearText
ShippingState                YearMonthText
ShippingPostalCode           DayText
BillingAddressLine1          DayNbr
BillingAddressLine2          DayOfYearNbr
BillingCity
BillingState
BillingPostalCode

dtblProducts                dtblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc

ftblOrders
CustID
DateID
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

In ftblOrders the PK would be CustID, DateID, ProductID, ShippingMethodID.
Notice in dtblCustomer, the address information has been denormalized so
that we do not have to join to the address table.  If we did not do that, it
would be called a snowflake.

Sorry that I did not get back to you quicker. I would out of touch with
email due to my wedding :0)

Robert

At 10:48 AM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:21:10 +0100
>From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mucking around
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <019601c801da$d1b69000$8119fea9 at LTVM>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Robert, be careful now.  You are starting to drift away...
>
>Snowflake: This to me is a miltary policeman (RMP) so called because 
>they wore white hats.
>True Stars: I can understand this cos my staff often say "Max you are a 
>true star" (costs me a fortune each time).
>
>But, I *think* I am still with you.
>
>So, we have a Form which captures data.  (Is this the transactional 
>system you mention).  The code then writes each entry into a 
>Transaction Table (flat file) all data written regardless of 
>duplication in other data entries.
>
>The Transaction Table then forms part of the data mart.  There is no 
>lookup or linked tables. Everything is in the Transaction Table.
>
>Have I got it right so far?
>
>Max


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct  2 08:58:16 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:58:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bulk insert and table names
In-Reply-To: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002301c804fc$48550420$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Thanks John!

I once spent hours trying to do an INSERT INTO for an Access field titled
'Note'.  Eventually, on a hunch I changed the name and all worked well!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 7:59 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Bulk insert and table names

You guys will love this one.  I am writing .Net stuff to do imports of these
huge text files.  I fill a directory with files to be imported, then the
code gets the file names in that directory and iterates through importing
the files.  I use the bulk copy object to do the insert.  

In this case I had files named using the two digit state code by the people
who generated the source files.

AK.txt
AL.txt
...
WY.txt

I simply stripped off the .txt and use the file name itself as the name of a
temp table into which I import the data.  Once imported and validated, I
then append the temp table to the permanent table and delete the temp table.
I log EVERYTHING from the start / stop time of each operation to the error
text, how many records successfully imported into the temp table etc.

With me so far?

My code takes off and runs.  I end up with TWO files - IN.txt and OR.txt -
that refuse to import.  The error message thrown by the Bulk Copy object is
"cannot access the destination table".  These tables - IN and OR do indeed
exist, nothing wrong with them.  I have code that builds the tables
on-the-fly and the tables are being built but the BulkCopy object cannot
append the data into them.

After an embarrassingly long period of head scratching, checking that I have
sufficient disk space (this is a terabyte array, I have enough space!),
compacting the database etc. it finally dawns on me that perhaps the table
names are verboten.  I changed the name of the input files from IN.txt to
IND.txt and OR.txt to ORE.txt and voila, she runs.

My best guess at this point is that the Bulk Copy object or something it
calls in SQL Server to get its job done views IN and OR as key words and
will not allow some operations to be performed on tables named that.  Notice
that I could execute, using the CMD object in .NET, SQL code to create the
tables and THAT worked.

Anyway, just another piece of trivia to remember - somewhere in the bowels
of SQL Server exists a distaste for table names (and field names as well?)
that are the same as key words.  Which of course leads us to the question,
where is the list of key words that we are not allowed to use?

On a related note, I also create and index a PKID in the tables.  In fact I
quite doing so in the temp tables since it served no useful purpose, however
while I was still doing so I ran into an interesting similar problem.  I was
naming the indexes IX & FieldName, whatever field name might be.  Because I
always used PKID as my field name, SQL Server complained about the index in
the second table I tried to create (I create the permanent and then the temp
table).  It turns out that the index names appear to be stored in a common
collection keyed on the index name and so the second time I tried to create
the same name for an index (in a DIFFERENT table) SQL Server threw an error.
I ended up using IX & TableName & FieldName as the index name and it worked
just fine of course.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  2 09:01:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:01:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Bulk insert and table names
In-Reply-To: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107C792DF09@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107C792DF09@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <015f01c804fc$ba890230$6c7aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  

Thanks for that but I suppose my question was a jab at the concept that I
would HAVE to make sure that my table / field names did not collide with
some list of reserved words inside of SQL Server.  The SQL Server
programming team should ensure that I can name my tables and fields whatever
I want to, NOT look up my proposed table field names in THEIR (ever
changing) list of keywords and change my choice if it collides with their
reserved words.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:07 AM
To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Bulk insert and table names

Hi John

List of SQL 2000 Keywords

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa238507(SQL.80).aspx


Martin


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  2 09:02:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:02:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.7535.1190994530.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <016001c804fc$ec01cdb0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Congratulations on the wedding! 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:37 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)

No.  The transactional tables are always part of a totally different system.

You use a process of some kind to load the data from the transactional
system, say orders, into the data mart.

tblCustomer                 tblCustomerType
CustID                      CustomerTypeID
CustName                    CustomerTypeDesc
CustTypeID
PmtTermsID

tblCustomerAddress          tblPmtTerms
CustAddressID               PmtTermsID
CustID                      PmtTermsDesc
AddressTypeID
AddressLine1                tblAddressType
AddressLine2                AddressTypeID
City                        AddressTypeDesc
State
PostalCode


tblOrder                    tblOrderDetail
OrderID                     OrderDetailID
CustID                      OrderID
ShippingMethodID            ProductID
OrderDate                   QtyOrdered
ShipDate                    QtyShipped

tblProducts                 tblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc
QtyOnHand
QtyOnOrder
ReorderPoint
LastCost
SalesPrice

Assuming the above as our transactional system and all the data entry would
be done in the above tables.

Our star schema would look something like this:

dtblCustomer                 dtblDates
CustomerID                   DateID
CustName                     YearText
CustTypeDesc                 YearNbr
PmtTermsDesc                 MonthText
ShippingAddressLine1         MonthNbr
ShippingAddressLine2         MonthAbrev
ShippingCity                 MonthYearText
ShippingState                YearMonthText
ShippingPostalCode           DayText
BillingAddressLine1          DayNbr
BillingAddressLine2          DayOfYearNbr
BillingCity
BillingState
BillingPostalCode

dtblProducts                dtblShippingMethod
ProductID                   ShippingMethodID
ProductName                 ShippingMethodDesc

ftblOrders
CustID
DateID
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

In ftblOrders the PK would be CustID, DateID, ProductID, ShippingMethodID.
Notice in dtblCustomer, the address information has been denormalized so
that we do not have to join to the address table.  If we did not do that, it
would be called a snowflake.

Sorry that I did not get back to you quicker. I would out of touch with
email due to my wedding :0)

Robert



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Oct  2 09:12:59 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 09:12:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Bulk insert and table names
In-Reply-To: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAEF2@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


 <Which of course leads us to the question, where is the list of key
words that we are not allowed to use?>

Given the huge volume you are dealing with you can probably look forward
to discovering EVERY forbidden word over time. Compile the list, publish
it as "Bill Gates forbidden word list and the men who found them" go on
Dr Phil with an expose and voila, a celebrity is born. (Sorry I was up
LATE last night boxing PALLETS of soap to sell on QVC no less. Don't
ask.)
:-)
Jim Hale




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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 09:27:14 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:27:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <200710021356.l92DuqWA003818@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00cd01c80500$54e76990$8119fea9@LTVM>

Thanks again, Robert

Regards

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 2:54 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)

Max,

I sent an example to the list a little while ago. I think that will help you
with the design. But, to expand on it further.

ftblOrdersByWeek
CustID
WeekOfYear
YearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

ftblOrdersByMonthyear
CustID
MonthYearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice

ftblOrdersByYear
CustID
YearText
ProductID
ShippingMethodID
TotalQtySold
SalesPrice


Now, there are additional fact tables that still use the same dimensions but
are now summarized differently. This is the advantage of a mart/warehouse.
All the math is already do. The data is stored at the granularity you want
to report at. Granularity is almost always related to the time dimension of
your facts.

ftbl - fact table
dtbl - dimension table

Robert

At 01:52 PM 9/28/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:21:39 +0100
>From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Mucking around
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <020e01c801fc$6ad269a0$8119fea9 at LTVM>
>Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"
>
>Thanks John,
>Normalised data I understand.
>What I don't understand is how we get from that to Data Marts.
>
>Q1: What do I  do with my normalised tables.  If the answer is to leave 
>the data in the normalised table and then re-post it to a flat table, 
>then why could that not have been done at data entry.
>Q2: If the answer to Q1 is go straight to flat tables, then what do I 
>do AFTER that.
>
>When it then comes to pulling the data out into reports are we talking 
>about using software other than Access?
>
>The terminology is throwing me a bit too (well, to be honest, it is 
>throwing me a lot).
>With the help of you guys, I will undertand it eventually.
>
>What is conceptually throwing me at the moment though is this:  If the 
>reason people use datamarts (Star/Snow) to quickly create reports which 
>dice/slice down through the data, then are we or are we not just moving 
>the "time Taken" from the report stage to the data input stage (which 
>would make sense to me).  But if I am completely wrong here, then I 
>really am "all at sea!"
>
>Thanks
>Max


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From JRuff at SolutionsIQ.com  Tue Oct  2 09:39:56 2007
From: JRuff at SolutionsIQ.com (John Ruff)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 07:39:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Determine if Object is a Table or View
Message-ID: <4870DBEB7940B041B2EFB8F70F26334D44BC70@blv2-exc-01.siq.solutionsiq.com>

I'm not sure if the original message got thru, so I'm posting it one
more time.

 

I'm using ADOX in an Access2003 mdb to iterate through the tables in
SQL Server 2000. I only need to gather data on the tables and not any
of the views. Here is the snippit of code I use to capture the table
object.

 

Dim cat As ADOX.Catalog

Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset

Dim tbl As ADOX.Table

    

Set cat = New Catalog

    

cat.ActiveConnection = "Provider=SQLNCLI.1;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=SOLIQ;Data
Source=congo"

Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

 

For Each tbl In cat.Tables

                ' I would like to determine if the object is a table
or a view here.

 

 

Question: How can I determine if the tbl is a table or view?

 

papparuff

 

John V. Ruff 

Applications Support Analyst

SolutionsIQ

www.SolutionsIQ.com <http://www.solutionsiq.com/> 

10785 Willows Road NE

Redmond, WA 98052

425.250.3484

 

 


From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Tue Oct  2 10:20:15 2007
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 17:20:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Determine if Object is a Table or View
In-Reply-To: <4870DBEB7940B041B2EFB8F70F26334D44BC70@blv2-exc-01.siq.solutionsiq.com>
Message-ID: <000701c80507$bbfa4470$2101a8c0@AB>

Try something like this:

If tbl.Type="Table" Then ...
If tbl.Type="View" Then ...

hth
Asger


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Sendt: 2. oktober 2007 16:40
Til: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Emne: [AccessD] Determine if Object is a Table or View

I'm not sure if the original message got thru, so I'm posting it one
more time.

 

I'm using ADOX in an Access2003 mdb to iterate through the tables in
SQL Server 2000. I only need to gather data on the tables and not any
of the views. Here is the snippit of code I use to capture the table
object.

 

Dim cat As ADOX.Catalog

Dim rst As ADODB.Recordset

Dim tbl As ADOX.Table

    

Set cat = New Catalog

    

cat.ActiveConnection = "Provider=SQLNCLI.1;Integrated
Security=SSPI;Persist Security Info=False;Initial Catalog=SOLIQ;Data
Source=congo"

Set rst = New ADODB.Recordset

 

For Each tbl In cat.Tables

                ' I would like to determine if the object is a table
or a view here.

 

 

Question: How can I determine if the tbl is a table or view?

 

papparuff

 

John V. Ruff 

Applications Support Analyst

SolutionsIQ

www.SolutionsIQ.com <http://www.solutionsiq.com/> 

10785 Willows Road NE

Redmond, WA 98052

425.250.3484

 

 





From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:38:16 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:38:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>

Given how knee-deep I am lately into Excel programming, this will doubtless
seem a stupid question, or evidence of a stupid inquirer, but anyway... I
have a workbook which contains two sheets. One prints with a grid (boxes
around each cell) and another prints with just white space and values. I
want the second to print the grid, same as the first. What do I adjust to
make this occur?

TIA,
Arthur


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct  2 10:35:38 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:35:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Warehouse design (was Mucking Around)
In-Reply-To: <200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.7535.1190994530.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710021341.l92DftrF024487@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <010401c80509$e282b300$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Congratulations on the wedding! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart

Sorry that I did not get back to you quicker. I would out of touch with
email due to my wedding :0)




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:47:21 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:47:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710020847u3d49a684qa2239a86ed38452a@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/2/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> Given how knee-deep I am lately into Excel programming, this will doubtless
> seem a stupid question, or evidence of a stupid inquirer, but anyway... I
> have a workbook which contains two sheets. One prints with a grid (boxes
> around each cell) and another prints with just white space and values. I
> want the second to print the grid, same as the first. What do I adjust to
> make this occur?

File | Page Setup | Sheet Tab

Check the Gridlines checkbox about 1/2 way down.

P.S. This would have been a better post on DBA-Tech.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com  Tue Oct  2 10:55:09 2007
From: Donald.A.McGillivray at sprint.com (McGillivray, Don [IT])
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 10:55:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710020838n15fd445t565bb99cf0f477db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A106E55CB@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>

Arthur,

This ought to do it . . .

File|Page Setup
Sheet tab
Gridlines checkbox

You can also get there from the print preview screen.  Click the Setup button, etc . . . 

Don

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Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question

Given how knee-deep I am lately into Excel programming, this will doubtless
seem a stupid question, or evidence of a stupid inquirer, but anyway... I
have a workbook which contains two sheets. One prints with a grid (boxes
around each cell) and another prints with just white space and values. I
want the second to print the grid, same as the first. What do I adjust to
make this occur?

TIA,
Arthur
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From fhtapia at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:56:56 2007
From: fhtapia at gmail.com (Francisco Tapia)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:56:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer]  Bulk insert and table names
In-Reply-To: <015f01c804fc$ba890230$6c7aa8c0@M90>
References: <015e01c804f4$0851f7a0$6c7aa8c0@M90>
	<E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107C792DF09@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<015f01c804fc$ba890230$6c7aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <b874372a0710020856g6c7d0ab8maeb773d1fbf347f0@mail.gmail.com>

The thing is that if you bracket your table names, you're allowed to use
them, prefixing your table names with something simple such as tblOR or
tblIN would have clearly avoided the problem you faced.  Similarly with
indexes, you've found a great way to keep them unique by including the
tablename in the index.

On 10/2/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> LOL.
>
> Thanks for that but I suppose my question was a jab at the concept that I
> would HAVE to make sure that my table / field names did not collide with
> some list of reserved words inside of SQL Server.  The SQL Server
> programming team should ensure that I can name my tables and fields
> whatever
> I want to, NOT look up my proposed table field names in THEIR (ever
> changing) list of keywords and change my choice if it collides with their
> reserved words.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin W Reid
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 9:07 AM
> To: dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com; 'Access Developers discussion and
> problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Bulk insert and table names
>
> Hi John
>
> List of SQL 2000 Keywords
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa238507(SQL.80).aspx
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin Reid
> Telephone: 02890974465
>
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From jengross at gte.net  Tue Oct  2 11:03:46 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2007 09:03:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question
In-Reply-To: <EC829B33DF5B5B48A956B7A2E894AA9A106E55CB@PLSWB06C.ad.sprint.com>
Message-ID: <008a01c8050d$d38176d0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Arthur,

The sheet that you want to turn Gridlines on for needs to be the active
sheet.  Page Setup only effects the current active worksheet.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of McGillivray,
Don [IT]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel formatting question


Arthur,

This ought to do it . . .

File|Page Setup
Sheet tab
Gridlines checkbox

You can also get there from the print preview screen.  Click the Setup
button, etc . . . 

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Excel formatting question

Given how knee-deep I am lately into Excel programming, this will
doubtless seem a stupid question, or evidence of a stupid inquirer, but
anyway... I have a workbook which contains two sheets. One prints with a
grid (boxes around each cell) and another prints with just white space
and values. I want the second to print the grid, same as the first. What
do I adjust to make this occur?

TIA,
Arthur
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct  2 15:46:13 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:46:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] When Was a Module Last Modified?
Message-ID: <002601c80535$4603d140$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Is there a way to determine, using code, when a standard module was actually
last modified?


Thanks!
Dan Waters



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Oct  2 15:48:21 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 15:48:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037C4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E042@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037C4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E779@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I tried moving the error checking code from the OnExit event to the
AfterUpdate event but after the error check occurs the focus moves to
the next text box. With the OnExit event the focus goes back to the
textbox that has the bad value. Here is the error checking code.

If IsNull(Me!StartDate) Then
        MsgBox "You must enter a start date"
        Cancel = True
      ElseIf CVDate(Me!StartDate) > CVDate(EndDate) Then
        MsgBox "Invalid Date. Start date must be before end date"
        Cancel = True
      Else
        Me!EndDate.Enabled = True
        Me!EndDate.SetFocus
        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry All Manifolds Production for a Time
Interval"
        Forms![frm All Manifolds Chart 90 Days].chtAllManifolds1.Requery
        Me.Repaint
End If

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Another way might be use the AfterUpdate events instead to call a test
that looks at both controls.  I'm assuming you're cross checking the
dates to be sure start is before end, etc?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I was using OnExit events on a start date and end date text boxes on the
form to perform data validation. Maybe there is a better way to do this?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

First examine why you have OnExit events there.  If this is in a header,
you can't have all that many controls in it.  Why not just use tab order
and skip the OnExit.  Setting a focus in OnExit can drive a user crazy.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:08 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Exactly. The OnExit event of the TextBox StartDate runs instead of the
print command. How to detect the command button click and bypass the on
OnExit Event???

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:53 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Hi Chester and Charlotte

 - or an OnExit at StartDate ...

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 01-10-2007 17:46 >>>
Chester,

It isn't the button click code that's the problem.  Have you put in
break points to be sure the click event is actually occurring the first
time you click it?  It sounds like you might have an OnEnter event
firing first.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:28 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I have a command button in the header of form to print a report. When I
click on the button the focus moves from a text box on the form named
StartDate to a text box on the form named EndDate. The report does not
print. The second time I click the command button the form prints. Code
for the command button is below. I tried compacting and repairing the
database and moving everything to a new form but to no avail. 

Private Sub Command1_Click()
On Error GoTo Err_Command1_Click

    Dim stDocName As String

    stDocName = "rpt All Manifolds Oil Gas Water 90 Days"
    DoCmd.OpenReport stDocName, acNormal

Exit_Command1_Click:
    Exit Sub

Err_Command1_Click:
    MsgBox Err.Description
    Resume Exit_Command1_Click
    
End Sub


Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799




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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Oct  1 06:29:25 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2007 15:29:25 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <s700d286.090@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004d01c8041e$62466650$6501a8c0@nant>

<<<
Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
>>>
Hi Gustav,

Yes, I'm aware of that.

<<<
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance
>>>
Yes, that's clear but:

1) this thread was originated with the request of JC to find the quickest
way to "jam"/CamelCase strings...

2) the original request was about RegEx and VB.NET/C#. The hypothesis was
that RegEx could deliver the quickest solution. This hypothesis isn't yet
proved in this thread...

3) saving even one CPU cycle while programming user input could result in a
lot of saved energy if we count how many computers are currently running all
around the world :) - a kind of kidding you know: of course spending hours
trying to save a second for an algorithm, which validates user input could
be even more waste of energy - but for JC's task saving a sec could result
in significant time gains because of specifics of the business processes of
his customer requesting to "crunch" zillion gigabytes of data...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this
construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then
replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it
matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are
' not allowed by Windows as a file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen
' 2002-05-22. Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the
right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your
code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate
not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav




From pcs at azizaz.com  Wed Oct  3 00:39:01 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Wed,  3 Oct 2007 15:39:01 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD]  Basic Scripting Question
Message-ID: <20071003153901.DEE29932@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Hi,
I am discovering the world of scripting / vbscript

Coding in VBA  (Access2003)

In the context for a code line like

    Set fs = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


how can I get intellisence into the created object?

So that if I code fs.    the various properties and methods 
will appear

What reference do I need to set? 

If I set a reference, is that what is called 'early binding'

For the code to work I understand I don't need to set a 
reference, right.
 
But what library is driving the created object, providing 
properties and methods?

borge


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct  3 02:59:14 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:59:14 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] When Was a Module Last Modified?
Message-ID: <s703680f.038@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Here is one method:

datUpdated = CurrentDb.Containers!Modules("NameOfYourModule").LastUpdated

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 02-10-2007 22:46 >>>
Is there a way to determine, using code, when a standard module was actually
last modified?


Thanks!
Dan Waters




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct  3 06:43:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:43:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case
In-Reply-To: <004d01c8041e$62466650$6501a8c0@nant>
References: <s700d286.090@cactus.dk> <004d01c8041e$62466650$6501a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <018d01c805b2$a5546bf0$6c7aa8c0@M90>

Shamil,

And while I haven't spoken up yet (nor had time to try all this) I am
watching the thread closely.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

<<<
Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
>>>
Hi Gustav,

Yes, I'm aware of that.

<<<
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance
>>>
Yes, that's clear but:

1) this thread was originated with the request of JC to find the quickest
way to "jam"/CamelCase strings...

2) the original request was about RegEx and VB.NET/C#. The hypothesis was
that RegEx could deliver the quickest solution. This hypothesis isn't yet
proved in this thread...

3) saving even one CPU cycle while programming user input could result in a
lot of saved energy if we count how many computers are currently running all
around the world :) - a kind of kidding you know: of course spending hours
trying to save a second for an algorithm, which validates user input could
be even more waste of energy - but for JC's task saving a sec could result
in significant time gains because of specifics of the business processes of
his customer requesting to "crunch" zillion gigabytes of data...

--
Shamil
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 12:57 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Use Regex - Create Camel Case

Hi Max and Shamil

Max, the main reason for VBA running slow on string concatenation is this
construct:

        strResult = strResult & strBit

Indeed for long strings (some 10K) this is so slow that it is hard to
believe.
The traditional work-around is to create a dummy target string and then
replace the chars one by one using Mid().
Here's an example (though path/file names seldom are so long that it
matters):

Public Function TrimFileName( _
  ByVal strFileName As String) _
  As String

' Replaces characters in strFileName that are ' not allowed by Windows as a
file name.
' Truncates length of strFileName to clngFileNameLen.
'
' 2000-12-07. Gustav Brock, Cactus Data ApS, Copenhagen ' 2002-05-22.
Replaced string concatenating with Mid().

  ' No special error handling.
  On Error Resume Next

  ' String containing all not allowed characters.
  Const cstrInValidChars  As String = "\/:*?""<>|"
  ' Replace character for not allowed characters.
  Const cstrReplaceChar   As String * 1 = "-"
  ' Maximum length of a file name.
  Const clngFileNameLen  As Long = 255
  
  Dim lngLen    As Long
  Dim lngPos    As Long
  Dim strChar   As String
  Dim strTrim   As String
  
  ' Strip leading and trailing spaces.
  strTrim = Left(Trim(strFileName), clngFileNameLen)
  lngLen = Len(strTrim)
  For lngPos = 1 To lngLen Step 1
    strChar = Mid(strTrim, lngPos, 1)
    If InStr(cstrInValidChars, strChar) > 0 Then
      Mid(strTrim, lngPos) = cstrReplaceChar
    End If
  Next
    
  TrimFileName = strTrim

End Function

Shamil, I have not been working with this in C# but I think you are on the
right track using arrays. I hope to find some time to experiment with your
code examples. 
As we all know, for validation of a user input in a textbox, speed is of
zero practical importance, but from time to time your task is to manipulate
not one but thousands of strings and then it matters.

/gustav


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct  3 07:22:52 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:22:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] When Was a Module Last Modified?
In-Reply-To: <s703680f.038@cactus.dk>
References: <s703680f.038@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000c01c805b8$1fdeb6f0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Thanks Gustav - I'll give this a try.  

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:59 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] When Was a Module Last Modified?

Hi Dan

Here is one method:

datUpdated = CurrentDb.Containers!Modules("NameOfYourModule").LastUpdated

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 02-10-2007 22:46 >>>
Is there a way to determine, using code, when a standard module was actually
last modified?


Thanks!
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct  3 07:32:12 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:32:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <20071003153901.DEE29932@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
References: <20071003153901.DEE29932@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <001401c805b9$6c895f90$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Borge,

There used to be a help file available called vbscript56.chm which covered
filesystemobjects, but I can't find it now.

I did find this site which appears to be pretty helpful:

http://www.excelsig.org/VBA/FileSystemObject.htm

Best of Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pcs at azizaz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:39 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question

Hi,
I am discovering the world of scripting / vbscript

Coding in VBA  (Access2003)

In the context for a code line like

    Set fs = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")


how can I get intellisence into the created object?

So that if I code fs.    the various properties and methods 
will appear

What reference do I need to set? 

If I set a reference, is that what is called 'early binding'

For the code to work I understand I don't need to set a 
reference, right.
 
But what library is driving the created object, providing 
properties and methods?

borge
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 10:20:01 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 08:20:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E779@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <s7013422.006@cactus.dk><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331DF2D@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037B8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E042@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037C4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D3220331E779@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7037E9@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

At least part of my confusion is in which control's events you're trying
to use.  If you want to keep the focus, use the beforeupdate event of
each control to call a validation routine.  Just remember that you have
to handle the situation where the other date hasn't yet been entered.

Charlotte Foust   

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

I tried moving the error checking code from the OnExit event to the
AfterUpdate event but after the error check occurs the focus moves to
the next text box. With the OnExit event the focus goes back to the
textbox that has the bad value. Here is the error checking code.

If IsNull(Me!StartDate) Then
        MsgBox "You must enter a start date"
        Cancel = True
      ElseIf CVDate(Me!StartDate) > CVDate(EndDate) Then
        MsgBox "Invalid Date. Start date must be before end date"
        Cancel = True
      Else
        Me!EndDate.Enabled = True
        Me!EndDate.SetFocus
        DoCmd.OpenQuery "qry All Manifolds Production for a Time
Interval"
        Forms![frm All Manifolds Chart 90 Days].chtAllManifolds1.Requery
        Me.Repaint
End If

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Strange Command Button Behavior

Another way might be use the AfterUpdate events instead to call a test
that looks at both controls.  I'm assuming you're cross checking the
dates to be sure start is before end, etc?

Charlotte Foust 

-



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct  3 12:51:58 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 10:51:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
Message-ID: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
other things:

***************************
My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached for
your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are very
negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from the web
search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS especially if
it is linked to other software tools. 

It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is not
stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for portability across
Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible, 
***************************

So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
parochialism we have seen before?

TIA

Rocky


 	
	



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 12:59:15 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:59:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 13:05:13 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:05:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031105o4d541144x38ad5c5774591967@mail.gmail.com>

Martin said it best a long time ago -- most problems developers have with
Access are their own fault. The product is very stable if you use it the way
you're supposed to.

Susan H.


On 10/3/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
> other things:
>
> ***************************
> My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached
> for
> your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are very
> negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from the web
> search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS especially
> if
> it is linked to other software tools.
>
> It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is
> not
> stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for portability
> across
> Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible,
> ***************************
>
> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
> parochialism we have seen before?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 13:08:13 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:08:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031105o4d541144x38ad5c5774591967@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<17c80a4d0710031105o4d541144x38ad5c5774591967@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703802@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Besides, he isn't in the market for Access at all if he wants solutions
that port to other platforms. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution

Martin said it best a long time ago -- most problems developers have
with Access are their own fault. The product is very stable if you use
it the way you're supposed to.

Susan H.


On 10/3/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes 
> among other things:
>
> ***************************
> My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes 
> attached for your kind attention. They have bad experiences with 
> ACCESS, and are very negative about the use of ACCESS. The information

> available from the web search also indicates that there are known 
> problems of ACCESS especially if it is linked to other software tools.
>
> It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that 
> is not stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for 
> portability across Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible,
> ***************************
>
> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the 
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL 
> parochialism we have seen before?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Wed Oct  3 13:12:51 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:12:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <023301c805e9$02e881d0$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Rocky:

LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP ... Basically it looks like they want an
"open source" web-based solution. 

I guess you can't write bad code in PHP? <G>

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution

My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
other things:

***************************
My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached for
your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are very
negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from the web
search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS especially if
it is linked to other software tools. 

It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is not
stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for portability across
Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible,
***************************

So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
parochialism we have seen before?

TIA

Rocky


 	
	

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From delam at zyterra.com  Wed Oct  3 13:25:00 2007
From: delam at zyterra.com (delam at zyterra.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 18:25:00 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <873813444-1191435688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-332021243-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

That is right along the lines of what I charge. Sound very appropriate to the market in Texas. 

Debbie

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:59:15 
To:AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees


I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 13:25:05 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:25:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710031125t64ad35c0l54ccc423f915bfe1@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:

> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
> parochialism we have seen before?

LAMP = Linux / Apache / MySQL / PHP

Basically open source software/solutions.

Although...

Linux can be Linux/Window/ Mac Unix

MySQL can be MySQL/PostGres or any other open source DB

PHP can be PHP, Python, Perl, or even Ruby on Rails these days.

The Access comment is the same old same old issues IT has with Access
dbs. They are just toys and not for real development.

The LAMP solution wouldn't be bad if you wanted to open up your code
for all eyes to see, since these are all non-compiled languages, but
(and I hate to say it because it sounds so derogatory) scripting
languages.

Sure you can obfuscate the code, but with enough time and some
automated tools, can be deobfuscated (is that even a word?)

I'm working on a side LAMP project right now, so I'm knee deep into it.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 13:53:04 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:53:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <873813444-1191435688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-332021243-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<873813444-1191435688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-332021243-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031153q4d2c7cd1n603ef6b68755ea43@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Deb!

Susan H.

That is right along the lines of what I charge. Sound very appropriate to
the market in Texas.


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct  3 13:58:31 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:58:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c805ef$64a337c0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Charlotte,

I charge slightly less in the Minneapolis area - no one has an issue with
this.  Customers only seem to have an issue with 'what is in the budget' or
with total cost.

Dan Waters

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct  3 13:58:55 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:58:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Susan, I'm in San Antonio and in my experience, your fees are appropriate.
In some cases, it might be a little low.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:13:02 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:13:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>

> Susan, I'm in San Antonio and in my experience, your fees are appropriate.
> In some cases, it might be a little low.
>
> ===========Can you define "some cases?"



Also, what do you guys charge for straight development -- do any of you have
a separate fee? I always did, but I don't offer development anymore and
haven't kept up. I thought it would be best to present a full schedule
rather than one simple fee, but I'm not sure it's necessary or that I will.

Susan H.


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  3 14:16:19 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 12:16:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <ce9786ab62ec4.47038813@shaw.ca>

Hi Rocky:

L Linux - instead of Windows OS
A Apache - instaed of IIS
M MySQL - instead of MDB/MS SQL
P PHP - instead of VB/VBA/VB.Net or any other Windows language.

They are also suggesting a Browser/web-based solution. I wonder if they really know what they are asking for? We are talking a major major re-write...  Sounds like the old Access is light weight and unstable statement again.

Jim


----- Original Message -----
From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 10:52 am
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He 
> writes among
> other things:
> 
> ***************************
> My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes 
> attached for
> your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and 
> are very
> negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from 
> the web
> search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS 
> especially if
> it is linked to other software tools. 
> 
> It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution 
> that is not
> stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for 
> portability across
> Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible, 
> ***************************
> 
> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him 
> about the
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old 
> ORACLE/SQLparochialism we have seen before?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Oct  3 14:25:21 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:25:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From JHewson at karta.com  Wed Oct  3 14:36:24 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:36:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
	<17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F8@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

Consulting fees are usually higher than development because of the expertise required.  We use consultants for short term projects or when we need a specific skill set for a brief period.  Depending on the contract, if a person is an employee we usually double their hourly "rate" and sometimes add "profit" to the number.  The rate is the annual salary divided by 2080 hours.  

We have used consultants with an hourly rate of $200 and more and felt we got a bargain!  Project Managers and QC and SMEs are usually paid more than the developer.

We charge between $65 and $125 per hour for technical/developers depending on the expertise of the person and the complexity of the contract.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

> Susan, I'm in San Antonio and in my experience, your fees are appropriate.
> In some cases, it might be a little low.
>
> ===========Can you define "some cases?"



Also, what do you guys charge for straight development -- do any of you have
a separate fee? I always did, but I don't offer development anymore and
haven't kept up. I thought it would be best to present a full schedule
rather than one simple fee, but I'm not sure it's necessary or that I will.

Susan H.
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From delam at zyterra.com  Wed Oct  3 14:41:09 2007
From: delam at zyterra.com (delam at zyterra.com)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:41:09 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0197F7@karta-exc-int.Karta.com><17c80a4d0710031213m378d2907q479591ca0d1d54e6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <624598587-1191440257-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1418299948-@bxe018.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I think the hourly rate should be covering any professional services, so the issue of straight development is not an issue in my mind. 

Debbie

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>

Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:13:02 
To:"Access Developers discussion and problem solving"<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


> Susan, I'm in San Antonio and in my experience, your fees are appropriate.
> In some cases, it might be a little low.
>
> ===========Can you define "some cases?"



Also, what do you guys charge for straight development -- do any of you have
a separate fee? I always did, but I don't offer development anymore and
haven't kept up. I thought it would be best to present a full schedule
rather than one simple fee, but I'm not sure it's necessary or that I will.

Susan H.
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:39:19 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:39:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>

I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less than $50 an
hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead of the
greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. There's no
one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure cancer.

A.

On 10/3/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>   I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
> development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
>
>   I charge for my time and not the skill set.
>
> Jim.
>


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:47:50 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:47:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710031247w58d3d0d6hfbe40fe1eee4e4c@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/3/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less than $50 an
> hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead of the
> greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. There's no
> one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure cancer.

I dunno 'bout that Arthur.

Last gig I did was earlier this summer and I charged $95 and hour.
Mind you that wasn't development but Mail Admin crap not development.
He didn't like the price but paid it.

I even told him I normally charge in USD (which I do, since most of
the work I've done has been for folks in  US) but charged him CAD.
Although I got screwed recently with the high dollar. I lost $3 CAD by
taking USD for payment on a different gig.:(

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 14:54:48 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:54:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710031254v35c1c05aw6c993bf4490f6290@mail.gmail.com>

Where are you? I think you definitely need to increase your rates with your
next client! ;)

Susan H.

I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

I charge for my time and not the skill set.


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct  3 15:27:09 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:27:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301c805fb$c675acb0$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Arthur,

When I started in 2003, I also charged $50/hr.  Next year $75, and so on.  

At that time I was talking to people who would give me some of their time as
one-time 'mentors'.  Universally, they pinged on me about my low rates.  The
first person I talked with said I should charge $125/hr to start and move up
to $175/hr in a couple of years.  They were basing their statements on the
Business Process Management System I've developed, saying that this is a big
money maker for companies.   A few years later, I now know that they were
correct.

We all partly base our judgment of value on something's price.  Sometimes
there's simply no way to do otherwise (like with programmers).  So, if you
are the lowest rate, then customers may think of you as the lowest value or
quality.  Some business customers are proud of spending a lot of money -
they can then brag that it cost THIS MUCH - and their buddies wish they
could do the same.  Would you like a Cadillac?  Why?  Because everyone
around you thinks you can afford it!

Raise your rates until you get some pushback - then you know you're charging
about the right amount.

Here's to the new mansion you'll be buying in a few years!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less than $50 an
hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead of the
greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. There's no
one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure cancer.

A.

On 10/3/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>   I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
> development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
>
>   I charge for my time and not the skill set.
>
> Jim.
>
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From spike at tenbus.co.uk  Wed Oct  3 13:21:33 2007
From: spike at tenbus.co.uk (Webadmin - Tenbus)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:21:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4703DDAD.6040908@tenbus.co.uk>

LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP = free.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_(software_bundle)>


Regards
Chris Foote

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
> other things:
>
> ***************************
> My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached for
> your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are very
> negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from the web
> search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS especially if
> it is linked to other software tools. 
>
> It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is not
> stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for portability across
> Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible, 
> ***************************
>
> So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
> problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
> parochialism we have seen before?
>
> TIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
>   




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 16:33:27 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:33:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution
In-Reply-To: <023301c805e9$02e881d0$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <003901c805e6$18260160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<023301c805e9$02e881d0$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

LOL Bad programmers can write bad code in ANY language.  How's that for
talent?? ;0>

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution

Hi Rocky:

LAMP = Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP ... Basically it looks like they want
an "open source" web-based solution. 

I guess you can't write bad code in PHP? <G>

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Lamp-Based Solution

My system is being evaluated by a fellow in Singapore.  He writes among
other things:

***************************
My systems personnel have tested the EZ-MRP, and have the notes attached
for your kind attention. They have bad experiences with ACCESS, and are
very negative about the use of ACCESS. The information available from
the web search also indicates that there are known problems of ACCESS
especially if it is linked to other software tools. 

It would be very difficult for us to market a software solution that is
not stable. We would have welcome the LAMP-based solution for
portability across Linux, Windows and other platforms, if possible,
***************************

So what is a LAMP-based solution?  What would you tell him about the
problems his staff see with Access?  Is this the same old ORACLE/SQL
parochialism we have seen before?

TIA

Rocky


 	
	

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Oct  3 16:37:15 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 17:37:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031254v35c1c05aw6c993bf4490f6290@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<17c80a4d0710031254v35c1c05aw6c993bf4490f6290@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401c80605$914e73a0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Susan,

<<Where are you? >>

  Sorry; Based in Syracuse NY, with clients across the country.

<<I think you definitely need to increase your rates with your
next client! ;)>>

  Probably.  I've had the same rate now for quite a few years.  And I'm
actually a bit cheaper then that as I offer the rate of $55/hr for extended
projects (anything more then a couple of weeks).

  Mind you though, I charge for *everything*.  If the owner wants to shoot
the breeze for 15 minutes, they get billed for it.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 3:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Where are you? I think you definitely need to increase your rates with your
next client! ;)

Susan H.

I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

I charge for my time and not the skill set.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 16:36:48 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:36:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 16:38:55 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 14:38:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Even when you're designing the whole system, figuring out the
requirements from all the dust they blow your way and then making it
work?  I thought our neighbors to the North were quality seekers.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less than $50 an
hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead of the
greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. There's
no one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure
cancer.

A.

On 10/3/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>   I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I 
> do; development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
>
>   I charge for my time and not the skill set.
>
> Jim.
>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  3 17:35:19 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:35:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca>

Hi Arthur:
 
You can not charge more than $50.00 an hour unless you are a company... greater depth, more reliability and more certifications/degrees is the reason given. Want to become a company and then we can say we a nation wide?
 
Jim 

----- Original Message -----
From: Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 12:55 pm
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> I must be the cheapest game in town. Some gigs I do for less 
> than $50 an
> hour. Sheesh. Mind you, that's $50 CDN, which is currently ahead 
> of the
> greenback. But still nowhere near what some of you charge. Wow. 
> There's no
> one in Canada that would pay $135 an hour, unless you can cure cancer.
> 
> A.
> 
> On 10/3/07, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >   I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging 
> $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
> > development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
> >
> >   I charge for my time and not the skill set.
> >
> > Jim.
> >
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> 


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 18:37:06 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:37:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
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	<d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca>
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> You can not charge more than $50.00 an hour unless you are a company...



=======Says who?

Susan H.


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 18:51:23 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:51:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, I think this
is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.

Arthur

On 10/3/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 19:03:00 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:03:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/3/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, I think this
> is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.

If this is true then I'm breaking the law everytime I do work for
anyone. I don't think I've ever charged less than $50 per hour.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct  3 19:04:28 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:04:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710031703y171b8d3do421c9281445b30dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com><d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca><17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com><29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
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Who says crime doesn't pay?? LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Carbonnell
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

On 10/3/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, I think 
> this is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.

If this is true then I'm breaking the law everytime I do work for
anyone. I don't think I've ever charged less than $50 per hour.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 20:21:58 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:21:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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You have fixed fees in Canada?

Susan H.
This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, I think this
is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 20:32:02 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:32:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70381F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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On 10/3/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Who says crime doesn't pay?? LOL

I just wish it was easier to find victims, er clients :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From pcs at azizaz.com  Wed Oct  3 20:49:00 2007
From: pcs at azizaz.com (pcs at azizaz.com)
Date: Thu,  4 Oct 2007 11:49:00 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
Message-ID: <20071004114900.DEI18710@dommail.onthenet.com.au>

Hi Dan,
It appears that the vbscript56.chm has been scrapped by M$.

VBScript is now part of their .NET Framework...

I found this - may have your interest ...

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/t0aew7h6.aspx

Regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:32:12 -0500
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>  
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question  
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
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>Hi Borge,
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>There used to be a help file available called 
vbscript56.chm which covered
>filesystemobjects, but I can't find it now.
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>I did find this site which appears to be pretty helpful:
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>http://www.excelsig.org/VBA/FileSystemObject.htm
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>Best of Luck!
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
pcs at azizaz.com
>Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:39 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
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>Hi,
>I am discovering the world of scripting / vbscript
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>Coding in VBA  (Access2003)
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>In the context for a code line like
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>What reference do I need to set? 
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>If I set a reference, is that what is called 'early binding'
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>For the code to work I understand I don't need to set a 
>reference, right.
> 
>But what library is driving the created object, providing 
>properties and methods?
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>borge
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  3 21:08:32 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:08:32 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca>
	<17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d134c1986628b.4703e8b0@shaw.ca>

Hi Susan... It is no rule just observation working both as a company and as a private contractor... It is the expectations of local clients.
 
Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 4:37 pm
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> >
> > You can not charge more than $50.00 an hour unless you are a 
> company...
> 
> 
> =======Says who?
> 
> Susan H.
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct  3 21:27:05 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:27:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70381F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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Bryan; I thought you worked for the government... What department do you work for?

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2007 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> Who says crime doesn't pay?? LOL
> 
> Charlotte Foust 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Carbonnell
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
> 
> On 10/3/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This might be a border issue, Susan. This side of the border, 
> I think 
> > this is correct. I could be wrong. I'm no lawyer.
> 
> If this is true then I'm breaking the law everytime I do work for
> anyone. I don't think I've ever charged less than $50 per hour.
> 
> --
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well 
> preservedbody, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, 
> shouting "What a
> great ride!"
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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> -- 
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 04:36:48 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 05:36:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <d0cccc246354d.4703ed09@shaw.ca>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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On 10/3/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Bryan; I thought you worked for the government... What department do you work for?

Yep. My day job is working for the CBC in the Training department of
the Toronto TV Production Centre.

All the fees I've charged have been for side gigs I do, trying to get
outta the CBC.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Oct  4 07:49:31 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 08:49:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Oct  4 09:01:20 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:01:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 09:12:06 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:12:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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First, you have to define bug and an unspecified request for change.

A bug is something they asked for, but isn't working as they expected. If
you can determine that the problem is on their end -- they didn't supply the
right parameters, etc. -- you might try to charge for fixing that, but the
convincing might take more time than just fixing the dang thing.

If you made the mistake, you fix it for free.

Changing something they don't like is up in the air -- if it's a simple fix,
do it for the sake of good will. If it's going to take some time, send them
a quote.

Or, you could put them on a monthly service fee and do whatever they like as
they crop up. This seems to be a popular trend, but I can see the sell being
difficult for smaller applications.

Susan H.


On 10/4/07, Lawrence Mrazek <lmrazek at lcm-res.com> wrote:
>
> Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
> them or not?
>
> Larry Mrazek
> LCM Research, Inc.
> www.lcm-res.com
> lmrazek at lcm-res.com
> ph. 314-432-5886
> mobile: 314-496-1645
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> Charlotte,
>
> <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>
>
> Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
> was now and it caused a multitude of problems.
>
> One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
> considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god
> forbid
> I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
> another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make
> mistakes"
> comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
> meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually
> slowed
> down the pace of many projects.
>
> There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
> of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
> those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
> make a living).
>
> So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
> years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
> year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
> full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
> easily.
>
> There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
> learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
> rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
> done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much
> they
> irritate me!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
>
> I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
> development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.
>
> I charge for my time and not the skill set.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
> under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
> development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
> technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
> technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as
> a
> technical advisor/collaborator.
>
> My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
> even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
> anymore, period.
>
> I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
> Opinions? Insight?
>
> Susan H.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct  4 09:16:50 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:16:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I charge straight time - including bug fixes. 

With many clients I tell them that when I write a routine I make it work
with a straight path through the code.  I'm the alpha tester. But there are
many ways to run a form from the outside, many sequences of operation, and
there will be bugs. And operational awkwardness that they want polished. 

So I give them the option - I can send it to them for testing and fix the
bugs they find and change the procedures to suit them, or I can spend a lot
of time testing all the combinations.  I tell them, and I believe this, that
it's more economical for them to test it.  And more effective.  I KNOW the
right way to do everything because I wrote the form and the code.  Users do
the craziest things.  And the program has to account for that.

All my clients prefer to be the beta tester.  They also understand that
there will be bugs.  And I've never had anyone complain about the additional
cost it takes to make a program work perfectly.  Time, yes.  Cost, no.  But
I make it clear up front so there's no dispute later.

Rocky







 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 09:29:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:29:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS>
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Jim,

I have to say your reasoning works for me.  Add to that the fact that as
your gross income goes up, your net taxable goes up even faster and it ends
up that a horrific amount of the additional income goes to the government.
Most of your deductible business expenses are approximately fixed - mileage
traveled to see clients doesn't vary based on the rate you charge.
Computers purchased, IRA contributions, medical insurance, all that stuff is
not directly related to your rate.  Those expenses are a relatively stable
fixed amount so as your rate goes up your "tax deductible percentage" goes
down, and thus the taxable amount goes up and the tax rate then goes up.  We
work and work to make more money only to find the government taking a larger
and larger cut.  

But hey, the government's coffers fill up faster.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct  4 09:41:30 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:41:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
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My 2 cents...

A bug is something that doesn't work as agreed upon when delivered or
something that was specifically spelled out in a contract beforehand and not
delivered with correct functionality.

A bug is not something that doesn't work according to what the client wants
after the client has approved the initial functionality (6 months or 3 years
later). It is also not something that stops working correctly due to an
Operating System change, additional software installations (including MS
updates) or an infrastructure change (such as networking issues). To be more
specific, if something worked correctly upon delivery and doesn't work
correctly in the future - it is not a bug. It is a failure of function due
to unforeseen changes in the application's environment.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Oct  4 10:00:32 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:00:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <011601c80694$a6c0f890$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A299D5@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

If I find the source of a problem and go 'oops' or 'crap', then it's a
bug.  Otherwise, it's a design change.

;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

My 2 cents...

A bug is something that doesn't work as agreed upon when delivered or
something that was specifically spelled out in a contract beforehand and
not
delivered with correct functionality.

A bug is not something that doesn't work according to what the client
wants
after the client has approved the initial functionality (6 months or 3
years
later). It is also not something that stops working correctly due to an
Operating System change, additional software installations (including MS
updates) or an infrastructure change (such as networking issues). To be
more
specific, if something worked correctly upon delivery and doesn't work
correctly in the future - it is not a bug. It is a failure of function
due
to unforeseen changes in the application's environment.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge
for
them or not?  


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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Thu Oct  4 10:04:20 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:04:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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As you know I'm in NY and we usually pay $125 per hour.  However, we
have a current contract with a consulting firm at a rate of $105 per
hour but you have to factor in that the contract is for 500K.  I think
your rate is fine.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Susan Harkins
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
> 
> I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
> under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical 
> expertise -- not a
> development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
> technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much 
> more than a
> technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd 
> be acting as a
> technical advisor/collaborator.
> 
> My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and 
> no one ever
> even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do 
> development work
> anymore, period.
> 
> I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
> Opinions? Insight?
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct  4 10:11:51 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:11:51 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS>
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I never charged for them if they were actually bugs and not just a
change in the way they WANTED it to work.  That's one reason my rate was
fairly high.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge
for them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what
it was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what
was considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god
forbid I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug
fixes was another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to
make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually
slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A
lot of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one
of those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy
trying to make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been
without full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can
deal with easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time
to learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 10:18:03 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 11:18:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <005501c80699$c269b690$657aa8c0@M90>

I do the same thing Rocky.  There are going to be bugs.  Part of the cost of
development is making the thing work such that all the remaining bugs (you
will NEVER find and fix every single bug) do not effect the operation of the
program.  I am writing the program for them and so they pay for ALL COSTS of
getting the program running.  Debugging is just a cost of doing business.
The fact that I do not find and fix every single bug before they get the
code is irrelevant to the fact that it has to be fixed and someone has to
pay for that.  

I NEVER implying that I write bug free code (except perhaps to you guys ;-),
and I make clear that debugging and fixing bugs is a normal part of
development that they pay for.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I charge straight time - including bug fixes. 

With many clients I tell them that when I write a routine I make it work
with a straight path through the code.  I'm the alpha tester. But there are
many ways to run a form from the outside, many sequences of operation, and
there will be bugs. And operational awkwardness that they want polished. 

So I give them the option - I can send it to them for testing and fix the
bugs they find and change the procedures to suit them, or I can spend a lot
of time testing all the combinations.  I tell them, and I believe this, that
it's more economical for them to test it.  And more effective.  I KNOW the
right way to do everything because I wrote the form and the code.  Users do
the craziest things.  And the program has to account for that.

All my clients prefer to be the beta tester.  They also understand that
there will be bugs.  And I've never had anyone complain about the additional
cost it takes to make a program work perfectly.  Time, yes.  Cost, no.  But
I make it clear up front so there's no dispute later.

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Oct  4 10:38:56 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:38:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <008c01c8069c$ae3ac0d0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Rocky,

  That's my take here; if they want it bug free, I'll test the heck out of
it, but they'll pay for all that testing.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:17 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I charge straight time - including bug fixes. 

With many clients I tell them that when I write a routine I make it work
with a straight path through the code.  I'm the alpha tester. But there are
many ways to run a form from the outside, many sequences of operation, and
there will be bugs. And operational awkwardness that they want polished. 

So I give them the option - I can send it to them for testing and fix the
bugs they find and change the procedures to suit them, or I can spend a lot
of time testing all the combinations.  I tell them, and I believe this, that
it's more economical for them to test it.  And more effective.  I KNOW the
right way to do everything because I wrote the form and the code.  Users do
the craziest things.  And the program has to account for that.

All my clients prefer to be the beta tester.  They also understand that
there will be bugs.  And I've never had anyone complain about the additional
cost it takes to make a program work perfectly.  Time, yes.  Cost, no.  But
I make it clear up front so there's no dispute later.

Rocky







 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Oct  4 10:42:55 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:42:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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	<005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:30 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Jim,

I have to say your reasoning works for me.  Add to that the fact that as
your gross income goes up, your net taxable goes up even faster and it ends
up that a horrific amount of the additional income goes to the government.
Most of your deductible business expenses are approximately fixed - mileage
traveled to see clients doesn't vary based on the rate you charge.
Computers purchased, IRA contributions, medical insurance, all that stuff is
not directly related to your rate.  Those expenses are a relatively stable
fixed amount so as your rate goes up your "tax deductible percentage" goes
down, and thus the taxable amount goes up and the tax rate then goes up.  We
work and work to make more money only to find the government taking a larger
and larger cut.  

But hey, the government's coffers fill up faster.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.  Of course that
meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which actually slowed
down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Oct  4 10:56:18 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:56:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
In-Reply-To: <20071004114900.DEI18710@dommail.onthenet.com.au>
Message-ID: <002301c8069f$19ee6640$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

Take a look at http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms950396.aspx.
Scripting is live and well. I use hta and script files for lots of little
maintenance items.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of pcs at azizaz.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question

Hi Dan,
It appears that the vbscript56.chm has been scrapped by M$.

VBScript is now part of their .NET Framework...

I found this - may have your interest ...

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/t0aew7h6.aspx

Regards
Borge

---- Original message ----
>Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 07:32:12 -0500
>From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>
>Hi Borge,
>
>There used to be a help file available called
vbscript56.chm which covered
>filesystemobjects, but I can't find it now.
>
>I did find this site which appears to be pretty helpful:
>
>http://www.excelsig.org/VBA/FileSystemObject.htm
>
>Best of Luck!
>Dan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
pcs at azizaz.com
>Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:39 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problemsolving
>Subject: [AccessD] Basic Scripting Question
>
>Hi,
>I am discovering the world of scripting / vbscript
>
>Coding in VBA  (Access2003)
>
>In the context for a code line like
>
>    Set fs = CreateObject("Scripting.FileSystemObject")
>
>
>how can I get intellisence into the created object?
>
>So that if I code fs.    the various properties and methods 
>will appear
>
>What reference do I need to set? 
>
>If I set a reference, is that what is called 'early binding'
>
>For the code to work I understand I don't need to set a reference, 
>right.
> 
>But what library is driving the created object, providing properties 
>and methods?
>
>borge
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 11:21:26 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 12:21:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<000601c80691$34cf6210$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <17c80a4d0710040921i3ce3a26dl5daa7081564791dc@mail.gmail.com>

Rocky, I have done that too and found it a positive experience for both
sides.

Susan H.



>
> So I give them the option - I can send it to them for testing and fix the
> bugs they find and change the procedures to suit them, or I can spend a
> lot
> of time testing all the combinations.  I tell them, and I believe this,
> that
> it's more economical for them to test it.  And more effective.  I KNOW the
> right way to do everything because I wrote the form and the code.  Users
> do
> the craziest things.  And the program has to account for that.
>
> All my clients prefer to be the beta tester.  They also understand that
> there will be bugs.  And I've never had anyone complain about the
> additional
> cost it takes to make a program work perfectly.  Time, yes.  Cost,
> no.  But
> I make it clear up front so there's no dispute later.
>
>


From robert at webedb.com  Thu Oct  4 12:53:05 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:53:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9300.1191513387.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com
 >
References: <mailman.9300.1191513387.12557.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710041755.l94HtPE6006500@databaseadvisors.com>

Define "bug."

If is does not work, I fix it free. If it works the way
they wanted and they changed their mind and called it a
bug, it is most assuredly billable. If it works and I
change it, it is billable.

Robert

At 10:56 AM 10/4/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 09:01:20 -0500
>From: "Lawrence Mrazek" <lmrazek at lcm-res.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0 at lcmdv8000>
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>Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
>them or not?
>
>Larry Mrazek
>LCM Research, Inc.
>www.lcm-res.com
>lmrazek at lcm-res.com
>ph. 314-432-5886
>mobile: 314-496-1645




From jengross at gte.net  Thu Oct  4 13:10:15 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:10:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <00dd01c806b1$d562d020$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Larry,

My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent
company to run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.
Otherwise, all bug fixes are on them.  Most clients want it done
yesterday so they are willing to do their own beta testing and pay me to
fix "bugs".

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge
for them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what
it was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what
was considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god
forbid I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug
fixes was another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to
make mistakes" comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.
Of course that meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt,
which actually slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A
lot of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one
of those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy
trying to make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been
without full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can
deal with easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time
to learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 13:43:05 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 14:43:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c806b1$d562d020$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <03ac01c8068f$0c5bec60$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
	<00dd01c806b1$d562d020$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>

>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Hi Larry,

My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.
Otherwise, all bug fixes are on them.  Most clients want it done yesterday
so they are willing to do their own beta testing and pay me to fix "bugs".

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.
Of course that meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which
actually slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 13:55:53 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 19:55:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003801c806b8$311618e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

And I bet you call him "Tiny Tim"

Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Hi Larry,

My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.
Otherwise, all bug fixes are on them.  Most clients want it done yesterday
so they are willing to do their own beta testing and pay me to fix "bugs".

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge for
them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what it
was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what was
considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god forbid
I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug fixes was
another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to make mistakes"
comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.
Of course that meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt, which
actually slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A lot
of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one of
those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy trying to
make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been without
full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can deal with
easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time to
learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of a
rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I haven't
done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on how much they
irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting as a
technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct  4 14:15:49 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:15:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
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References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca>
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	<29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
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	<d0cccc246354d.4703ed09@shaw.ca>
	<e04a6c920710040236p6c471e52k15ef1f5eca9318af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cf569aad67a0b.4704d975@shaw.ca>

Ahh... I see Bryan. Just thought you were working in some well heeled department I had never heard about. The whole trick is to get some steady high paying gig. These one offs are great but after a week or so the client wants to see your tail-end.

A steady medium priced gig and a few monthly support fee is what I have been living on.

Jim  

----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>
Date: Thursday, October 4, 2007 2:38 am
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> On 10/3/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Bryan; I thought you worked for the government... What 
> department do you work for?
> 
> Yep. My day job is working for the CBC in the Training 
> department of
> the Toronto TV Production Centre.
> 
> All the fees I've charged have been for side gigs I do, trying 
> to get
> outta the CBC.
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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> 


From jengross at gte.net  Thu Oct  4 18:18:47 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2007 16:18:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005201c806dc$f09dbbe0$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Is he single?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent
company to run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that
one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 2:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Hi Larry,

My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent
company to run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.
Otherwise, all bug fixes are on them.  Most clients want it done
yesterday so they are willing to do their own beta testing and pay me to
fix "bugs".

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


Jim mentioned bug fixes ... Do we have opinions on whether you charge
for them or not?  

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

Charlotte,

  <<You don't set enough value on your time, Jim. >>

  Hum...don't know about that.  Long ago, my rate was approx double what
it was now and it caused a multitude of problems.  
  
  One of which was the never ending fight with some clients about what
was considered billable or not. Every invoice I sent was checked and god
forbid I took ten minutes to get a coffee and forget to deduct it.  Bug
fixes was another.  Many times I got the "I'm not paying you $135/hr to
make mistakes" comment.  They expected everything to be fixed for free.
Of course that meant everything needed to be documented to the hilt,
which actually slowed down the pace of many projects.

  There is also the issue of resentment that you need to deal with.  A
lot of management and employees end up with the attitude that your "one
of those" (highly paid consultants) instead of "one of them" (a guy
trying to make a living).

  So quite some time ago, I cut my rate in half (has to be at least ten
years).  As a result, I have a lot less headaches, still make $100K per
year, which is quite comfortable for where I live, have never been
without full time work, and I have a lot of happy clients that I can
deal with easily.

  There are of course some drawbacks, like never having enough free time
to learn new things, etc, but I'm happy enough with the way things are.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 5:37 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

You don't set enough value on your time, Jim.  I only offer that kind of
a rate to non-profits or special buddies.  My normal rate is (was, I
haven't done any consulting lately) between $150 and $200 depending on
how much they irritate me!  LOL  

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:25 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees


  I must be cheap<g> as I'm charging $70/hr.  Doesn't matter what I do;
development, training, doc's, travel time, etc.

  I charge for my time and not the skill set.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:59 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees

I have a unique consulting opportunity and I want to make sure I don't
under/over bid myself -- it's strictly for technical expertise -- not a
development or writing project. I'd be reviewing technical content for
technical accuracy, comprehension, and advice. This is much more than a
technical editor -- they already have that -- but rather, I'd be acting
as a technical advisor/collaborator.

My consulting fees are $135 an hour, but I'm in Kentucky and no one ever
even bats an eye. This company is in Texas. I don't do development work
anymore, period.

I don't want to be too nosy and ask you guys what you charge. Advice?
Opinions? Insight?

Susan H.
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Oct  4 18:43:30 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 18:43:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29AC4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I'm 6'2", 4 tattoos (none of them say Mom though...) ;).

Had to post though, it's almost Friday, gotta tell ya'll an odd story
from Monday.  My little girl is a bit behind the curve on riding a bike,
so I've been going up to see her a lot to help her learn.  On Monday,
after work, I swung home, took a shower, and put on shorts and a tank
top (because when I go up in jeans and a 'work shirt'
(collared/buttoned), I end up sweating to death, from running behind
her).

I'm driving up 75, and I'm about 5 minutes away from my exit, when this
car pulls along and starts honking.  He rolls down his window and starts
pointing down.  Well, last weekend I had a nail in my tire, and had a
shop next door fix it. (they just pulled the nail and put in a plug) So
my immediate thought was that the plug didn't work, and my tires going
flat again, so I pull of the highway.  The whole way I'm praying that
I'm not destroying the tire.  Get to a place to pull off the service
road, and get out to look at the tire....

It's fine.  So now I'm looking under the car, seeing if I'm dragging
something... suddenly the guy who honked at me pulls up.  'I was just
saying you had a cool tattoo!'.  I have a panther tat on my right upper
arm, and he was trying to point to his arm, to say he liked my tat....

Ummmm.... I said thanks, hopped in the car and had NO idea why they give
some people driver's licenses.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent
company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that
one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 20:33:23 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 21:33:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29AC4@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <005c01c806b6$67976a10$657aa8c0@M90>
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Message-ID: <007201c806ef$b8d6e2a0$657aa8c0@M90>

I think Jennifer might want to talk to you.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I'm 6'2", 4 tattoos (none of them say Mom though...) ;).

Had to post though, it's almost Friday, gotta tell ya'll an odd story from
Monday.  My little girl is a bit behind the curve on riding a bike, so I've
been going up to see her a lot to help her learn.  On Monday, after work, I
swung home, took a shower, and put on shorts and a tank top (because when I
go up in jeans and a 'work shirt'
(collared/buttoned), I end up sweating to death, from running behind her).

I'm driving up 75, and I'm about 5 minutes away from my exit, when this car
pulls along and starts honking.  He rolls down his window and starts
pointing down.  Well, last weekend I had a nail in my tire, and had a shop
next door fix it. (they just pulled the nail and put in a plug) So my
immediate thought was that the plug didn't work, and my tires going flat
again, so I pull of the highway.  The whole way I'm praying that I'm not
destroying the tire.  Get to a place to pull off the service road, and get
out to look at the tire....

It's fine.  So now I'm looking under the car, seeing if I'm dragging
something... suddenly the guy who honked at me pulls up.  'I was just saying
you had a cool tattoo!'.  I have a panther tat on my right upper arm, and he
was trying to point to his arm, to say he liked my tat....

Ummmm.... I said thanks, hopped in the car and had NO idea why they give
some people driver's licenses.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 1:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

>My policy on bug fixes is that if the client wants to pay for a fully
documented set of measurable objectives as well as an independent company to
run true beta testing, then I will not charge for bug fixes.

Oooooh I like that.  If I ever get static on my policy I will use that one!


So far no one has ever given me static.  

Of course I always take Larry (6'5, 300 lbs, "Mom" tatoo") in to my
negotiations with me.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct  4 21:50:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:50:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
	<009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.



From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 23:50:04 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:50:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS>
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John,
We at DDI Solultions use our own custom made database.

It does everything that your spreadsheet does and also keeps track of who
billed what and who incurred the expense as we are 4 partners.

We can click a button to produce the tax figures for our accountant and we
have an executive summary screen where we can see where we are at regarding
invoicing, expected payments, tax saved up etc etc.

We each do our own billing and enter our own expenses in the database.

We don't spend much time on administration at all. Probably less than 1 hour
each per month.

Anita


1. How much money we each have
2. How much tax we have each saved up
3. The total $ eachHow much we have under process  how much tax we owe


On 10/5/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
> my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
> progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
> for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows
> me
> to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
> which will be the "income".
>
> I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
> paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).
>
> Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid
> but
> not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed
> Not
> Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these
> three
> columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
> money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
> from my account.
>
> I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance
> at
> any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update
> the
> Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.
>
> Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
> Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.
>
> Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
> medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
> actually) etc.
>
> Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
> for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
> actual (annualized) taxable amount.
>
> And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back
> in
> to the expense column.
>
> Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill
> over
> in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
> updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
> expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).
>
> But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
> state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what
> my
> FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
> taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
> account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
> (I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such
> as
> medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
> has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions
> change.  Or
> how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars
> left
> over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
> could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.
>
> Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
> position.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> John,
>
> You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
> a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
> are minor when compared to the government's take<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct  5 00:40:55 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 22:40:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000e01c80712$4d03ce80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Embarrassing to admit but I still keep the corporate books on a thirteen
column green pad.  In pencil.  Been working effectively like that since
1980.   Think of it as the original spreadsheet.  

I use the cigar box method of accounting.  Put all the money in the box as
it comes in.  Take money out to pay the business expenses as they come in.
Whatever's left in the box at the end of the year is mine.  One paycheck in
December - the accountant calculates all the state and federal skim. Keeps
things simple.

BTW, I take the minimum paycheck I can get away with.  The balance, God
willing there is some, goes directly onto my personal return anyway since
it's a sub-S corp.  But it saves quite a bit on the SS - both mine and the
corp's - and Medicare taxes and some state taxes.

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 04:32:16 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 05:32:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
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On 10/4/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Ahh... I see Bryan. Just thought you were working in some well heeled department I had never heard about.

No, Just a super secret agency, that's why I said I work for the Mother Corp :)

> The whole trick is to get some steady high paying gig. These one offs
are great but after a week or so the client wants to see your tail-end.

Naw, the whole trick is getting one well paying gig that will let you retire :)

> A steady medium priced gig and a few monthly support fee is what I have been living on.

I just started living on my base salary again, not the management
upgrade I've been in for the last 6 years :(

Nothing like a 25% pay cut!!

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 07:20:38 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:20:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000e01c80712$4d03ce80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000e01c80712$4d03ce80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000201c8074a$2433ad80$657aa8c0@M90>

LOL, OK.  I am sure that the rest of us wish we could be paid once per year.



John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:41 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

Embarrassing to admit but I still keep the corporate books on a thirteen
column green pad.  In pencil.  Been working effectively like that since
1980.   Think of it as the original spreadsheet.  

I use the cigar box method of accounting.  Put all the money in the box as
it comes in.  Take money out to pay the business expenses as they come in.
Whatever's left in the box at the end of the year is mine.  One paycheck in
December - the accountant calculates all the state and federal skim. Keeps
things simple.

BTW, I take the minimum paycheck I can get away with.  The balance, God
willing there is some, goes directly onto my personal return anyway since
it's a sub-S corp.  But it saves quite a bit on the SS - both mine and the
corp's - and Medicare taxes and some state taxes.

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct  5 08:20:25 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 08:20:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007201c806ef$b8d6e2a0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29B20@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

LOL, not single. ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I think Jennifer might want to talk to you.  ;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

I'm 6'2", 4 tattoos (none of them say Mom though...) ;).

Had to post though, it's almost Friday, gotta tell ya'll an odd story
from
Monday.  My little girl is a bit behind the curve on riding a bike, so
I've
been going up to see her a lot to help her learn.  On Monday, after
work, I
swung home, took a shower, and put on shorts and a tank top (because
when I
go up in jeans and a 'work shirt'
(collared/buttoned), I end up sweating to death, from running behind
her).

I'm driving up 75, and I'm about 5 minutes away from my exit, when this
car
pulls along and starts honking.  He rolls down his window and starts
pointing down.  Well, last weekend I had a nail in my tire, and had a
shop
next door fix it. (they just pulled the nail and put in a plug) So my
immediate thought was that the plug didn't work, and my tires going flat
again, so I pull of the highway.  The whole way I'm praying that I'm not
destroying the tire.  Get to a place to pull off the service road, and
get
out to look at the tire....

It's fine.  So now I'm looking under the car, seeing if I'm dragging
something... suddenly the guy who honked at me pulls up.  'I was just
saying
you had a cool tattoo!'.  I have a panther tat on my right upper arm,
and he
was trying to point to his arm, to say he liked my tat....

Ummmm.... I said thanks, hopped in the car and had NO idea why they give
some people driver's licenses.

Drew


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct  5 08:26:17 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:26:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
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	<007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <024d01c80753$5efdf200$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct  5 08:31:19 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:31:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
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	<007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <024e01c80754$1f1d4b80$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 08:46:30 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:46:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90><009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS><007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<024d01c80753$5efdf200$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <003a01c80756$256f9270$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I use Access to track as well. I have a report that I work from for 
scheduling. In Excel I use a nifty expression that tracks my accounts 
receivable by the month -- I have to generate a specific amount of work each 
month to make ends meet and that helps me keep up with that.

Excel keeps up with payments and estimated taxes.

Susan H.



> John,
>
> <<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
> position.>>
>
>  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
> Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
> bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work 
> stops
> until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
> the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
> also keeps up a nice cash flow.
>
>  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do 
> them
> by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA 
> and
> record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both 
> it's
> easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
> reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end.
>
>  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
> at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements 
> to
> pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
> send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
> Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
> something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I 
> just
> never seem to get around to.
>
>  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
> avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is 
> make
> recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
> order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
> Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
> spreadsheet and remit quarterly.
>
> Jim.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees
>
> I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
> my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
> progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
> for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows 
> me
> to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
> which will be the "income".
>
> I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
> paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).
>
> Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid 
> but
> not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed 
> Not
> Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these 
> three
> columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
> money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
> from my account.
>
> I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance 
> at
> any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update 
> the
> Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.
>
> Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
> Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.
>
> Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
> medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
> actually) etc.
>
> Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
> for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
> actual (annualized) taxable amount.
>
> And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back 
> in
> to the expense column.
>
> Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill 
> over
> in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
> updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
> expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).
>
> But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
> state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what 
> my
> FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
> taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
> account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
> (I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such 
> as
> medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
> has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change. 
> Or
> how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars 
> left
> over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
> could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.
>
> Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
> position.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
>
> John,
>
>  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up 
> as
> a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
> are minor when compared to the government's take<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct  5 09:07:36 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:07:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90>
	<009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <026d01c80759$1acd8720$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

-- 
AccessD mailing list
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct  5 09:43:26 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 09:43:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <003a01c80756$256f9270$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><00
	3301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@IN
	FOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693
	$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90><009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS><007401c806fa$8a
	c9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90><024d01c80753$5efdf200$8abea8c0@XPS> 
	<003a01c80756$256f9270$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF0D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


Ya'll should take a look at the neat receipts scanner. It is a very nice
scanner designed specifically to scan and keep track of receipts in a
database. It could serve as a great enhancement to the spreadsheets you
have all described.
 http://www.neatreceipts.com/

Personally I use this and quicken home/business. I've boiled everything
down to where it is almost all electronic. I seldom write checks
anymore. All paychecks, bank statements , investment accounts, 401k,
credit card accounts, etc. transactions I download directly into
quicken. I download almost all the statements in pdf form to store. Tax
info loads directly from quicken into turbotax.

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I use Access to track as well. I have a report that I work from for 
scheduling. In Excel I use a nifty expression that tracks my accounts 
receivable by the month -- I have to generate a specific amount of work
each 
month to make ends meet and that helps me keep up with that.

Excel keeps up with payments and estimated taxes.

Susan H.




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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 09:48:46 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:48:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <026d01c80759$1acd8720$8abea8c0@XPS>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90><009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS><007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<026d01c80759$1acd8720$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <000801c8075e$d5c77cc0$657aa8c0@M90>

I'm not sure where the problem lies but I have received three copies of this
email.  Only one from everyone else so it appears that it is probably
somewhere in your vicinity. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

--
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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com

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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Oct  5 09:51:01 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:51:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD82@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
A colleague has a table with a field 'matscode'.  It appears in the
table in design mode.  In datasheet mode it is missing.  If you use the
table to create a form, query or report the field is where it should be,
it's the third field in the table.  It's just not visible in datasheet
view, any clue as to why?
MTIA
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  5 09:53:03 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:53:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Has Data in .Net
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703850@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Here's a routine I came up with to quickly answer the question of
whether any data exists in a record, outside of the key fields.  We
populate a field with a new record if there are none, but we want to
throw it away if they don't enter any data.  CurrentRow is a function
that returns a datarowview of the current record in a single record form
using the binding context.

    Private Function HasData() As Boolean
        ' Charlotte Foust 03-Oct-07
        Dim blnData As Boolean = False
        Dim intKeys As Integer = 2
        Try
            Dim flds() As Object = Me.CurrentRow.ItemArray
            ' skip the PK columns, which are filled by default
            For i As Integer = intKeys To flds.GetLength(0) - 1
                If Not IsDBNull(flds(i)) Then
                    blnData = True
                    Exit For
                End If
            Next

        Catch ex As Exception
            UIExceptionHandler.ProcessException(ex)
        End Try
        Return blnData
    End Function

This is in a subform module, but it could pretty easily be converted to
a public function in a shared class.

Charlotte Foust


From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Fri Oct  5 10:11:19 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:11:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD82@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD82@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD83@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Never mind, deleted the field and re-entered it and it appears in
datasheet view.  Guess there was a hiccup in the system.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
> 
> Hi All,
> A colleague has a table with a field 'matscode'.  It appears in the
> table in design mode.  In datasheet mode it is missing.  If 
> you use the
> table to create a form, query or report the field is where it 
> should be,
> it's the third field in the table.  It's just not visible in datasheet
> view, any clue as to why?
> MTIA
> Ed
>  
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>  
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct  5 10:22:18 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 11:22:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <000801c8075e$d5c77cc0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com><003301c805f3$26589330$8abea8c0@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70380D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><01d401c80685$022b5370$8abea8c0@XPS><005001c80693$0717f970$657aa8c0@M90><009501c8069d$3bcf1b80$8abea8c0@XPS><007401c806fa$8ac9c9d0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<026d01c80759$1acd8720$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<000801c8075e$d5c77cc0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000901c80763$8872c9c0$8abea8c0@XPS>

John,

  My Outlook has timed out in the middle of sending 3 times this morning as
my ISP is having problems.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I'm not sure where the problem lies but I have received three copies of this
email.  Only one from everyone else so it appears that it is probably
somewhere in your vicinity. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:08 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

John,

<<Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.>>

  I take a pretty simplistic approach to my books.  My AR is setup in
Access, which gives me an aging.  I really don't look at it too much as I
bill bi-monthly and my terms are net 15.  If I don't see a check, work stops
until I get one (actually, I've never had to resort to that yet).  Part of
the idea behind that is if there is a problem, it surfaces real quick.  It
also keeps up a nice cash flow.

  As far as AP, I have so few bills really that it's just simpler to do them
by hand.  For payroll I have a single spreadsheet to calculate the FICA and
record Federal and State taxes owed.  Since I deposit monthly for both it's
easy to keep on top of those.  I also use Access for tracking my expense
reports, which I typically don't bother with till year end. 

  At the end of the year, I do an income/expense statement just by looking
at my billings and then running through the check book and cc statements to
pickup expenses.  I also come up with some balance sheet totals, and then
send it to the accountant.  He takes care of the corporate tax filings.
Actually, he's been after me for years to get it all computerized with
something, but client work always comes first, so it's something that I just
never seem to get around to.

  Only other thing I need to keep track of is Sales Taxes, but I try to
avoid selling any hardware or software directly anymore.  What I do is make
recommendations, scope out sources, and then turn it over to the client to
order it directly.  I do pay some use taxes on stuff I buy over the
Internet, like my MSDN Universal subscription, which I keep track of on a
spreadsheet and remit quarterly.

Jim.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I have developed a really cool and useful spreadsheet to allow me to track
my actual expenses, income, taxes etc.  It has so far been a work in
progress, leaving last month's sheet locked and copying it to a new sheet
for this month, then to new sheets for "out into the future".  It allows me
to input my actual billing (from the previous month) or projected billing
which will be the "income".  

I have columns for Expense name, Expense amount, "will pay this someday",
paid but not cleared and cleared checkboxes (actually little Xs).  

Putting an x in those columns copies the expense amount over to a "paid but
not cleared" and "Paid and cleared" column.  The Expense Amount, Billed Not
Paid and Billed and Paid columns get summed at the bottom.  Thus these three
columns show what my expenses are, what expenses have been paid but the
money has not been deducted from my account, and bills paid and deducted
from my account.   

I use internet banking and can see my bills clear and my account balance at
any given instant in time which I copy into the spreadsheet as I update the
Xs that mark bills paid not cleared and paid and cleared.

Off to the right side I have a pair of columns to track the bank account,
Billing not received, Paid not Cleared etc.

Also in the same column I have a small section for tax deductible items -
medical insurance, mortgage interest, SEP IRA, FICA (self insurance
actually) etc. 

Way off out of sight I have a section to compute the FICA using the rules
for Sole Proprietor.  Another area calculates the Progressive tax on the
actual (annualized) taxable amount.

And finally a section that computes my taxes (roughly) and feeds it back in
to the expense column.  

Doing all of this allows all of my totals to change as I enter any bill over
in the left hand "expense amount" column.  Also as I change my billing it
updates my taxes owed and subtracts all expenses (taxes are fed into the
expense column) to give me a "net after expenses" (truly sad).

But... The good news is that for the first time EVER I know my financial
state given my bills and a billing amount.  And it WORKS!  I can see what my
FICA is so I can save that in a tax account, and what my state and federal
taxes will be after legitimate deductions so I can save that in a tax
account.  In future months I can play with how much I pay to credit cards
(I'm paying them off), how much I pay into my various tax deductions such as
medical and SEP Ira and have that instantly feed back to tell me how much
has to go into the tax account (again, roughly) as my deductions change.  Or
how much I have to work (bill) to pay all the bills and have X dollars left
over.  It can be depressing but at least I know where I stand or where I
could stand if I worked 20 hours every day.

Would anyone care to comment on what you use to know your financial
position.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees

John,

  You make an excellent point.  There are some other things that do go up as
a result as well, like workmen's comp and disability insurance, but those
are minor when compared to the government's take<g>. 

Jim.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 09:52:26 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:52:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE:  consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF0D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <00e801c8075f$59b104c0$8119fea9@LTVM>

Hello All,
I don't have the problems you lot seem to be having, but I thought you might
like to know about some nice software which I use for my own accounts for
the last few years.  No frills, but very good.  AceMoney.
http://www.mechcad.net/products/acemoney/
The lite version (only one account) is totally free.  The other is very
cheap.

Regards
Max
P.s It also handles investments, tracking etc for you very rich people.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees


Ya'll should take a look at the neat receipts scanner. It is a very nice
scanner designed specifically to scan and keep track of receipts in a
database. It could serve as a great enhancement to the spreadsheets you have
all described.
 http://www.neatreceipts.com/

Personally I use this and quicken home/business. I've boiled everything down
to where it is almost all electronic. I seldom write checks anymore. All
paychecks, bank statements , investment accounts, 401k, credit card
accounts, etc. transactions I download directly into quicken. I download
almost all the statements in pdf form to store. Tax info loads directly from
quicken into turbotax.

Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Budget spreadsheet - was RE: consulting fees

I use Access to track as well. I have a report that I work from for
scheduling. In Excel I use a nifty expression that tracks my accounts
receivable by the month -- I have to generate a specific amount of work each
month to make ends meet and that helps me keep up with that.

Excel keeps up with payments and estimated taxes.

Susan H.




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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Oct  5 11:00:20 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 11:00:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD83@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD82@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFD83@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <002a01c80768$d4fb2080$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Ed,

The table column may have been hidden in datasheet view.  This is just
formatting.

Right-click on a column and you can see a selection for Hide Columns.

Pick the Format menu and you can see a selection to Unhide Columns.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View

Never mind, deleted the field and re-entered it and it appears in
datasheet view.  Guess there was a hiccup in the system.

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed
> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:51 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Fields in Datasheet View
> 
> Hi All,
> A colleague has a table with a field 'matscode'.  It appears in the
> table in design mode.  In datasheet mode it is missing.  If 
> you use the
> table to create a form, query or report the field is where it 
> should be,
> it's the third field in the table.  It's just not visible in datasheet
> view, any clue as to why?
> MTIA
> Ed
>  
> Edward P. Tesiny
> Assistant Director for Evaluation
> Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
> New York State OASAS
> 1450 Western Ave.
> Albany, New York  12203-3526
> Phone:  (518) 485-7189
> Fax:  (518) 485-5769
> Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Oct  5 11:00:33 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:00:33 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710050232k512c780mb44eca229dd38ff7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0710031239p502adb76w6e3b7f9cf2b9500a@mail.gmail.com>
	<d12a800e62756.4703b6b7@shaw.ca>
	<17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<e04a6c920710031703y171b8d3do421c9281445b30dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70381F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<d0cccc246354d.4703ed09@shaw.ca>
	<e04a6c920710040236p6c471e52k15ef1f5eca9318af@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf569aad67a0b.4704d975@shaw.ca>
	<e04a6c920710050232k512c780mb44eca229dd38ff7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d114afe063d23.4705fd31@shaw.ca>

Bryan; Belts will be a little tighter this winter?...

Jim

----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Carbonnell <carbonnb at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, October 5, 2007 2:33 am
Subject: Re: [AccessD] consulting fees
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>

> On 10/4/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> > Ahh... I see Bryan. Just thought you were working in some well 
> heeled department I had never heard about.
> 
> No, Just a super secret agency, that's why I said I work for the 
> Mother Corp :)
> 
> > The whole trick is to get some steady high paying gig. These 
> one offs
> are great but after a week or so the client wants to see your 
> tail-end.
> 
> Naw, the whole trick is getting one well paying gig that will 
> let you retire :)
> 
> > A steady medium priced gig and a few monthly support fee is 
> what I have been living on.
> 
> I just started living on my base salary again, not the management
> upgrade I've been in for the last 6 years :(
> 
> Nothing like a 25% pay cut!!
> 
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 11:52:54 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:52:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
Message-ID: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls
90116640 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 11:58:25 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 12:58:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] consulting fees
In-Reply-To: <d114afe063d23.4705fd31@shaw.ca>
References: <17c80a4d0710031059t61cdb2a5g672dcfe656207338@mail.gmail.com>
	<17c80a4d0710031637p38635452n929a39a6fa2cb1cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0710031651u3b4f830ew5f0fef5497b28bbf@mail.gmail.com>
	<e04a6c920710031703y171b8d3do421c9281445b30dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70381F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<d0cccc246354d.4703ed09@shaw.ca>
	<e04a6c920710040236p6c471e52k15ef1f5eca9318af@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf569aad67a0b.4704d975@shaw.ca>
	<e04a6c920710050232k512c780mb44eca229dd38ff7@mail.gmail.com>
	<d114afe063d23.4705fd31@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710050958o32ebb771oc3034e9e434be449@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/5/07, Jim Lawrence <accessd at shaw.ca> wrote:
> Bryan; Belts will be a little tighter this winter?...

Yea. :(

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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  5 12:06:55 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:06:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

John,

I don't have any code handy but you want to use the ReadXML method to
read the contents into a table.  You can simply pass ReadXML a filename
in one of its overloads.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and
read) it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my
import process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I
will eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for
now I need to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The
XML produced by the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
 
<pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpe
c>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49
PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code
to read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 12:14:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:14:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000a01c80773$37881dc0$657aa8c0@M90>

What is it a method of? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

John,

I don't have any code handy but you want to use the ReadXML method to read
the contents into a table.  You can simply pass ReadXML a filename in one of
its overloads.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and
read) it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
 
<pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpe
c>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct  5 12:47:45 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 10:47:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000a01c80773$37881dc0$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<000a01c80773$37881dc0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

DataSet.  There are about 8 overloads, but here's an example of how we
use it to read in our settings file:

Dim ds As DataSet
ds.ReadXml(_xmlPath) 


Charlotte Foust

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

What is it a method of? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

John,

I don't have any code handy but you want to use the ReadXML method to
read the contents into a table.  You can simply pass ReadXML a filename
in one of its overloads.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and
read) it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my
import process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I
will eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for
now I need to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The
XML produced by the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
 
<pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpe
c>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49
PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code
to read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 12:57:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 13:57:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><000a01c80773$37881dc0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70385F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000e01c80779$27296280$657aa8c0@M90>

Thanks. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

DataSet.  There are about 8 overloads, but here's an example of how we use
it to read in our settings file:

Dim ds As DataSet
ds.ReadXml(_xmlPath) 


Charlotte Foust

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:15 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

What is it a method of? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 1:07 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

John,

I don't have any code handy but you want to use the ReadXML method to read
the contents into a table.  You can simply pass ReadXML a filename in one of
its overloads.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and
read) it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
 
<pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpe
c>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct  5 13:41:29 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:41:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday
Message-ID: <001901c8077f$59f0bf50$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

http://www.randomjoke.com/funny/micropsychic.php

Well, I appreciated it. :) Rare that I read an entire article. 

Susan H. 

From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Oct  5 14:01:02 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:01:02 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000f01c80782$135a0a30$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello John,

Here is the code to store your XML file (let's call it clsLogData.xml) into
MS Access database "testXML.mdb" in table named [clsLogData] with field
names equal to XML file elements' names:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb

Module TestImportXmlFile
    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"
            ds.ReadXml(xmlFileFullPath)
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

End Module


Of course XML file has to have a root element if you wanted to import
several records....

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls
90116640 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 14:31:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:31:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000f01c80782$135a0a30$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000f01c80782$135a0a30$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <000101c80786$61b62c00$657aa8c0@M90>

Holy smoke batman!  Will this do the same to SQL Server if I change the
connection? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Here is the code to store your XML file (let's call it clsLogData.xml) into
MS Access database "testXML.mdb" in table named [clsLogData] with field
names equal to XML file elements' names:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb

Module TestImportXmlFile
    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"
            ds.ReadXml(xmlFileFullPath)
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

End Module


Of course XML file has to have a root element if you wanted to import
several records....

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct  5 14:54:28 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 15:54:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000f01c80782$135a0a30$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <000901c80770$2cefbe20$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000f01c80782$135a0a30$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <000201c80789$8a873590$657aa8c0@M90>

Shamil,

I generate the XML file using the serialization code provided by .Net.  

Imports System.IO
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Public Class clsSerializableData
    ''' <summary>
    ''' Serializes the object to disk
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <param name="strFileName"></param>
    ''' <returns></returns>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Function mSave(ByVal strFileName As String) As Int16
        '
        'Make a temp filename
        Dim strTmpFileName As String
        strTmpFileName = strFileName & ".tmp"
        Dim TmpFileInfo As New FileInfo(strTmpFileName)

        'check if it exists
        If TmpFileInfo.Exists Then
            Try
                TmpFileInfo.Delete()
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return -1
            End Try
        End If

        '
        'Open the file
        Dim stream As New FileStream(strTmpFileName, FileMode.Create)

        '
        'Save the object
        mSave(stream)

        '
        'Close the object
        stream.Close()

        'Remove the existing file
        Try
            TmpFileInfo.CopyTo(strFileName, True)
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return -2
        End Try
        '
        'Rename the temp file
        Try
            TmpFileInfo.Delete()
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return -3
        End Try
    End Function
    ''' <summary>
    ''' Performs the serialization
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <param name="stream"></param>
    ''' <returns></returns>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function 

What I really want to do is to add code to this class to allow it to
serialize itself to a table.  Your code is tantalizing because it takes the
end result of my serialization (the xml file) and loads it back in to a
table which it then saves back to a data store.  Can that code be adapted to
short cut the actual storage of the data out to a file?  I.e. open a stream
that that the object can serialize itself to, but then hand that stream off
to be immediately read back and stored in a data set?  

.Net has provided a very nice facility for serializing a class, but (AFAIK)
it can only serialize itself to an XML file.  It does so however by
serializing itself onto a stream.  If that stream can be simly held and not
written to file, and then that stream handed back to a dataset to process
into a table I would have the holy grail of serialization to a table.  Any
class could then serialize itself directly into a database table. 

Of course I am completely incapable of actually coding such a solution if it
can even be done.  Or perhaps this is doable directly and I am so ignorant
that I do not even know it?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Here is the code to store your XML file (let's call it clsLogData.xml) into
MS Access database "testXML.mdb" in table named [clsLogData] with field
names equal to XML file elements' names:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb

Module TestImportXmlFile
    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"
            ds.ReadXml(xmlFileFullPath)
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

End Module


Of course XML file has to have a root element if you wanted to import
several records....

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Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Oct  5 14:58:04 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 23:58:04 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000101c80786$61b62c00$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000301c8078a$0aedff70$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello John,

Yes, it will work for MS SQL similar way.

And you can also change this code line:

Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")

If your target table name is different from [clsLogData]. E.g. if it's just
[LogData] then you can write:

Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Holy smoke batman!  Will this do the same to SQL Server if I change the
connection? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:01 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Here is the code to store your XML file (let's call it clsLogData.xml) into
MS Access database "testXML.mdb" in table named [clsLogData] with field
names equal to XML file elements' names:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb

Module TestImportXmlFile
    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"
            ds.ReadXml(xmlFileFullPath)
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [clsLogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

End Module


Of course XML file has to have a root element if you wanted to import
several records....

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving';
dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

I have found / written code in VB.Net to allow a class to write (and read)
it's data out to a text file on disk.  I use this ATM to log my import
process.  When I am done I have a log file per file imported.  I will
eventually be switching to a direct write to a data table but for now I need
to know if I can import these log files into a table.  The XML produced by
the code looks like the following (actual file written):

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<clsLogData xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema">
  <pTblName>AK</pTblName>
  <pStatus>Complete</pStatus>
  <pCommittedID>205453</pCommittedID>
  <pFileSpec>\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt</pFileSpec>
  <pStartTime>2007-10-03T12:55:49.890375-04:00</pStartTime>
  <pStopTime>2007-10-03T12:57:15.49325-04:00</pStopTime>
  <pStartID>0</pStartID>
  <pStopID>205453</pStopID>
  <pMemo>90071218 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read Directory: TaxRolls
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Loading CSVReader10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM
90071234 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Read File:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071250 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : File Loaded:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\AK.txt
90071296 : 10/3/2007 12:55:49 PM : Bulk Copy: tblTaxRolls 90116640 :
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Bulk Copy Finished: tblTaxRolls
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS READ: 205453
90116656 : 10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : RECORDS BULK COPIED: 205453
10/3/2007 12:56:35 PM : Copy Temp table AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Temp table copied AK_X to the permanent table
tblTaxRolls
10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : DROPPED Temp table AK_X
90156765 : 10/3/2007 12:57:15 PM : Move to Archive:
\\Stonehenge\psm\Data\FirstAmerican\TaxRolls\Archive\AK.txt</pMemo>
</clsLogData>

Can SQL Server just read these files?  Does anyone have any VB.Net code to
read a file such as this and append the data to a table?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Fri Oct  5 17:41:16 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 02:41:16 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000201c80789$8a873590$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000401c807a0$d765e480$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 11:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

I generate the XML file using the serialization code provided by .Net.  

Imports System.IO
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Public Class clsSerializableData
    ''' <summary>
    ''' Serializes the object to disk
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <param name="strFileName"></param>
    ''' <returns></returns>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Function mSave(ByVal strFileName As String) As Int16
        '
        'Make a temp filename
        Dim strTmpFileName As String
        strTmpFileName = strFileName & ".tmp"
        Dim TmpFileInfo As New FileInfo(strTmpFileName)

        'check if it exists
        If TmpFileInfo.Exists Then
            Try
                TmpFileInfo.Delete()
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return -1
            End Try
        End If

        '
        'Open the file
        Dim stream As New FileStream(strTmpFileName, FileMode.Create)

        '
        'Save the object
        mSave(stream)

        '
        'Close the object
        stream.Close()

        'Remove the existing file
        Try
            TmpFileInfo.CopyTo(strFileName, True)
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return -2
        End Try
        '
        'Rename the temp file
        Try
            TmpFileInfo.Delete()
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return -3
        End Try
    End Function
    ''' <summary>
    ''' Performs the serialization
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <param name="stream"></param>
    ''' <returns></returns>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function 

What I really want to do is to add code to this class to allow it to
serialize itself to a table.  Your code is tantalizing because it takes the
end result of my serialization (the xml file) and loads it back in to a
table which it then saves back to a data store.  Can that code be adapted to
short cut the actual storage of the data out to a file?  I.e. open a stream
that that the object can serialize itself to, but then hand that stream off
to be immediately read back and stored in a data set?  

.Net has provided a very nice facility for serializing a class, but (AFAIK)
it can only serialize itself to an XML file.  It does so however by
serializing itself onto a stream.  If that stream can be simly held and not
written to file, and then that stream handed back to a dataset to process
into a table I would have the holy grail of serialization to a table.  Any
class could then serialize itself directly into a database table. 

Of course I am completely incapable of actually coding such a solution if it
can even be done.  Or perhaps this is doable directly and I am so ignorant
that I do not even know it?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Fri Oct  5 18:42:07 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 09:42:07 +1000
Subject: [AccessD]  Combo box default value
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071006093947.02386c20@dgsolutions.net.au>

I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default 
value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing 
the existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.

TIA

David




From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Oct  5 19:12:13 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:12:13 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20071006093947.02386c20@dgsolutions.net.au>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071006093947.02386c20@dgsolutions.net.au>
Message-ID: <4706D2DD.8060503@mvps.org>

David,

The Default Value of a control only has a meaning at the point where a 
new record is being created.  If another control already has a value, 
then that point has passed, and the default value of your combobox is no 
longer applicable.

Perhaps you could explain a bit more detail about what you are doing, 
and someone will be able to suggest an alternative approach.

Regards
Steve


David and Joanne Gould wrote:
> I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default 
> value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing 
> the existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Oct  6 08:14:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 09:14:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000401c807a0$d765e480$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <000201c80789$8a873590$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000401c807a0$d765e480$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001701c8081a$e2872a20$657aa8c0@M90>

Shamil,

First of all, thanks for your assistance on this.  I am so new to VB.Net
that I would never get there on my own, but given example code I can usually
adapt it to my needs.

OK, here is the adaptation I am trying.  The concept is that I create a
class which knows how to serialize an object (class).  The following
function performs that process using XMLSerializer to serialize the current
class onto a stream passed in.

    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

Now, here is your code for using a memory stream as you called it.  This
mSave method uses a connection string and a table name parameter.  You set
up a memory stream and call the mSave method shown above to serialize the
object into that stream.  Next your create a data set which reads the xml
data back out of the stream, which creates a table in the data set using the
xml  file element names as field names in the resulting table (very nice).
Finally the "Using" block of code writes the data now in the data set out to
a table in the database.  I left in the two lines of code (commented out the
original, then modified in a second copy) where I assume I need to
substitute in my passed in table name for your hard coded table names. 

    Public Function mSave(ByVal lcnn As String, ByVal strTblName As String)
As Int16
        Try
            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                'Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" & strTblName &
"]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                'adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                adapter.Update(ds, strTblName )
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
            Return 0
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
            Return -1
        End Try
    End Function

So with these two methods, I build a clsSerializableData.  This is inherited
by any class that I want to be able to write (and read back in) its data.
Assuming this works (I haven't yet tested it) I now can write any class'
data to a file on disk (using a different existing mSave overload) or to
table (using this new mSave overload).  Is overload the right term here?

Once I get this functioning I need to go back and generate the matching
mLoad() method.  I already have one to load the class from an xml disk file.
Now I have to build one to load it from an existing table in the database.

I will let you know how the testing goes.  I am curious what the data types
will be for this table.  The data types of the class are known to the
xmlSerializer but the data type does not show up in the XML file produced
from the stream.  Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?

At any rate, again, thanks a million for your assistance on this Shamil.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

--
Shamil



From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Oct  6 12:06:10 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 21:06:10 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <001701c8081a$e2872a20$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000701c8083b$31542570$6401a8c0@nant>

Hello John,

Yes, your code should work with some fixes:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Imports System.IO

Namespace TEST2
    ''
    '' sample
    ''
    ''Sub Main()
    ''    Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\"
    ''    Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
    ''    Dim accConnection As String = _
    ''         "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
    ''         rootDir + accDbFileName
    ''    Try
    ''        Dim o As New TEST2.myTestClass()
    ''        o.mSave(accConnection, "tblTEST")
    ''    Catch ex As Exception
    ''        Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
    ''    End Try
    ''End Sub

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Custom serializer
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public MustInherit Class CustomSerializer
        Protected Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As String
            Dim className As String = Me.GetType().ToString()
            Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
            Try
                serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
                Return className
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return ""
            End Try
        End Function

        Public Function mSave( _
                    ByVal lcnn As String, _
                    ByVal strTblName As String) As Int16
            Try
                ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
                ' (use your custom object instance here)
                Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
                Dim className As String = mSave(myStream)
                If (className.Length = 0) Then
                    Throw New ApplicationException("Can't persist object
data to memory stream")
                End If
                Dim dotIndex As Integer = className.LastIndexOf(".")
                If (dotIndex > 0) Then className =
className.Substring(dotIndex + 1)

                ' read memory stream's data into dataset
                Dim ds As New DataSet()
                myStream.Position = 0
                ds.ReadXml(myStream)

                ' write DataSet's data into database table
                Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                    Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" &
strTblName & "]")
                    Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                    Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                    cnn.Open()
                    cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                    cmd.Connection = cnn
                    adapter.Update(ds, className)
                    cnn.Close()
                End Using
                Return 0
            Catch ex As Exception
                Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
                Return -1
            End Try
        End Function
    End Class

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Sample test class
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Class myTestClass
        Inherits CustomSerializer

        Public Sub New()
            ' needed for XML serializer
        End Sub

        Public One As String = "1"
        Public Two As String = "2"
    End Class
End Namespace

<<<
Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?
>>>

John, have a look in MSDN => XmlSerializer Constructor - it has many
overloads, some of them allow to define RootElement....


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Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

First of all, thanks for your assistance on this.  I am so new to VB.Net
that I would never get there on my own, but given example code I can usually
adapt it to my needs.

OK, here is the adaptation I am trying.  The concept is that I create a
class which knows how to serialize an object (class).  The following
function performs that process using XMLSerializer to serialize the current
class onto a stream passed in.

    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

Now, here is your code for using a memory stream as you called it.  This
mSave method uses a connection string and a table name parameter.  You set
up a memory stream and call the mSave method shown above to serialize the
object into that stream.  Next your create a data set which reads the xml
data back out of the stream, which creates a table in the data set using the
xml  file element names as field names in the resulting table (very nice).
Finally the "Using" block of code writes the data now in the data set out to
a table in the database.  I left in the two lines of code (commented out the
original, then modified in a second copy) where I assume I need to
substitute in my passed in table name for your hard coded table names. 

    Public Function mSave(ByVal lcnn As String, ByVal strTblName As String)
As Int16
        Try
            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                'Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" & strTblName &
"]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                'adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                adapter.Update(ds, strTblName )
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
            Return 0
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
            Return -1
        End Try
    End Function

So with these two methods, I build a clsSerializableData.  This is inherited
by any class that I want to be able to write (and read back in) its data.
Assuming this works (I haven't yet tested it) I now can write any class'
data to a file on disk (using a different existing mSave overload) or to
table (using this new mSave overload).  Is overload the right term here?

Once I get this functioning I need to go back and generate the matching
mLoad() method.  I already have one to load the class from an xml disk file.
Now I have to build one to load it from an existing table in the database.

I will let you know how the testing goes.  I am curious what the data types
will be for this table.  The data types of the class are known to the
xmlSerializer but the data type does not show up in the XML file produced
from the stream.  Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?

At any rate, again, thanks a million for your assistance on this Shamil.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct  7 15:43:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 16:43:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000701c8083b$31542570$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <001701c8081a$e2872a20$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000701c8083b$31542570$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <000c01c80922$ac967a20$657aa8c0@M90>

Shamil,

The code line :

adapter.Update(ds, className)

Is throwing an exception "Deferred prepare could not be completed.
Statement(s) could not be prepared.
Invalid object name 'tlbLog'."

tblLog does NOT exist yet in SQL Server and so an update is probably not
legal.  Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, your code should work with some fixes:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Imports System.IO

Namespace TEST2
    ''
    '' sample
    ''
    ''Sub Main()
    ''    Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\"
    ''    Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
    ''    Dim accConnection As String = _
    ''         "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
    ''         rootDir + accDbFileName
    ''    Try
    ''        Dim o As New TEST2.myTestClass()
    ''        o.mSave(accConnection, "tblTEST")
    ''    Catch ex As Exception
    ''        Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
    ''    End Try
    ''End Sub

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Custom serializer
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public MustInherit Class CustomSerializer
        Protected Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As String
            Dim className As String = Me.GetType().ToString()
            Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
            Try
                serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
                Return className
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return ""
            End Try
        End Function

        Public Function mSave( _
                    ByVal lcnn As String, _
                    ByVal strTblName As String) As Int16
            Try
                ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
                ' (use your custom object instance here)
                Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
                Dim className As String = mSave(myStream)
                If (className.Length = 0) Then
                    Throw New ApplicationException("Can't persist object
data to memory stream")
                End If
                Dim dotIndex As Integer = className.LastIndexOf(".")
                If (dotIndex > 0) Then className =
className.Substring(dotIndex + 1)

                ' read memory stream's data into dataset
                Dim ds As New DataSet()
                myStream.Position = 0
                ds.ReadXml(myStream)

                ' write DataSet's data into database table
                Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                    Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" &
strTblName & "]")
                    Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                    Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                    cnn.Open()
                    cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                    cmd.Connection = cnn
                    adapter.Update(ds, className)
                    cnn.Close()
                End Using
                Return 0
            Catch ex As Exception
                Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
                Return -1
            End Try
        End Function
    End Class

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Sample test class
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Class myTestClass
        Inherits CustomSerializer

        Public Sub New()
            ' needed for XML serializer
        End Sub

        Public One As String = "1"
        Public Two As String = "2"
    End Class
End Namespace

<<<
Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data types in the xml file?
Is this part of the XML standard?
>>>

John, have a look in MSDN => XmlSerializer Constructor - it has many
overloads, some of them allow to define RootElement....


--
Shamil
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

First of all, thanks for your assistance on this.  I am so new to VB.Net
that I would never get there on my own, but given example code I can usually
adapt it to my needs.

OK, here is the adaptation I am trying.  The concept is that I create a
class which knows how to serialize an object (class).  The following
function performs that process using XMLSerializer to serialize the current
class onto a stream passed in.

    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

Now, here is your code for using a memory stream as you called it.  This
mSave method uses a connection string and a table name parameter.  You set
up a memory stream and call the mSave method shown above to serialize the
object into that stream.  Next your create a data set which reads the xml
data back out of the stream, which creates a table in the data set using the
xml  file element names as field names in the resulting table (very nice).
Finally the "Using" block of code writes the data now in the data set out to
a table in the database.  I left in the two lines of code (commented out the
original, then modified in a second copy) where I assume I need to
substitute in my passed in table name for your hard coded table names. 

    Public Function mSave(ByVal lcnn As String, ByVal strTblName As String)
As Int16
        Try
            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                'Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" & strTblName &
"]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                'adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                adapter.Update(ds, strTblName )
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
            Return 0
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
            Return -1
        End Try
    End Function

So with these two methods, I build a clsSerializableData.  This is inherited
by any class that I want to be able to write (and read back in) its data.
Assuming this works (I haven't yet tested it) I now can write any class'
data to a file on disk (using a different existing mSave overload) or to
table (using this new mSave overload).  Is overload the right term here?

Once I get this functioning I need to go back and generate the matching
mLoad() method.  I already have one to load the class from an xml disk file.
Now I have to build one to load it from an existing table in the database.

I will let you know how the testing goes.  I am curious what the data types
will be for this table.  The data types of the class are known to the
xmlSerializer but the data type does not show up in the XML file produced
from the stream.  Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?

At any rate, again, thanks a million for your assistance on this Shamil.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Oct  8 01:55:20 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:55:20 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <000c01c80922$ac967a20$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002f01c80978$3959a180$6401a8c0@nant>

<<<
Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?
>>>
Yes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

The code line :

adapter.Update(ds, className)

Is throwing an exception "Deferred prepare could not be completed.
Statement(s) could not be prepared.
Invalid object name 'tlbLog'."

tblLog does NOT exist yet in SQL Server and so an update is probably not
legal.  Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 1:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, your code should work with some fixes:

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization
Imports System.IO

Namespace TEST2
    ''
    '' sample
    ''
    ''Sub Main()
    ''    Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\"
    ''    Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
    ''    Dim accConnection As String = _
    ''         "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
    ''         rootDir + accDbFileName
    ''    Try
    ''        Dim o As New TEST2.myTestClass()
    ''        o.mSave(accConnection, "tblTEST")
    ''    Catch ex As Exception
    ''        Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
    ''    End Try
    ''End Sub

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Custom serializer
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public MustInherit Class CustomSerializer
        Protected Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As String
            Dim className As String = Me.GetType().ToString()
            Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
            Try
                serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
                Return className
            Catch ex As Exception
                Return ""
            End Try
        End Function

        Public Function mSave( _
                    ByVal lcnn As String, _
                    ByVal strTblName As String) As Int16
            Try
                ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
                ' (use your custom object instance here)
                Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
                Dim className As String = mSave(myStream)
                If (className.Length = 0) Then
                    Throw New ApplicationException("Can't persist object
data to memory stream")
                End If
                Dim dotIndex As Integer = className.LastIndexOf(".")
                If (dotIndex > 0) Then className =
className.Substring(dotIndex + 1)

                ' read memory stream's data into dataset
                Dim ds As New DataSet()
                myStream.Position = 0
                ds.ReadXml(myStream)

                ' write DataSet's data into database table
                Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                    Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" &
strTblName & "]")
                    Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                    Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                    cnn.Open()
                    cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                    cmd.Connection = cnn
                    adapter.Update(ds, className)
                    cnn.Close()
                End Using
                Return 0
            Catch ex As Exception
                Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
                Return -1
            End Try
        End Function
    End Class

    ''' <summary>
    ''' Sample test class
    ''' </summary>
    ''' <remarks></remarks>
    Public Class myTestClass
        Inherits CustomSerializer

        Public Sub New()
            ' needed for XML serializer
        End Sub

        Public One As String = "1"
        Public Two As String = "2"
    End Class
End Namespace

<<<
Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data types in the xml file?
Is this part of the XML standard?
>>>

John, have a look in MSDN => XmlSerializer Constructor - it has many
overloads, some of them allow to define RootElement....


--
Shamil
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Cc: dba-vb at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

First of all, thanks for your assistance on this.  I am so new to VB.Net
that I would never get there on my own, but given example code I can usually
adapt it to my needs.

OK, here is the adaptation I am trying.  The concept is that I create a
class which knows how to serialize an object (class).  The following
function performs that process using XMLSerializer to serialize the current
class onto a stream passed in.

    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As Stream) As Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(Me.GetType)
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, Me)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

Now, here is your code for using a memory stream as you called it.  This
mSave method uses a connection string and a table name parameter.  You set
up a memory stream and call the mSave method shown above to serialize the
object into that stream.  Next your create a data set which reads the xml
data back out of the stream, which creates a table in the data set using the
xml  file element names as field names in the resulting table (very nice).
Finally the "Using" block of code writes the data now in the data set out to
a table in the database.  I left in the two lines of code (commented out the
original, then modified in a second copy) where I assume I need to
substitute in my passed in table name for your hard coded table names. 

    Public Function mSave(ByVal lcnn As String, ByVal strTblName As String)
As Int16
        Try
            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(lcnn)
                'Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [" & strTblName &
"]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                'adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                adapter.Update(ds, strTblName )
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
            Return 0
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
            Return -1
        End Try
    End Function

So with these two methods, I build a clsSerializableData.  This is inherited
by any class that I want to be able to write (and read back in) its data.
Assuming this works (I haven't yet tested it) I now can write any class'
data to a file on disk (using a different existing mSave overload) or to
table (using this new mSave overload).  Is overload the right term here?

Once I get this functioning I need to go back and generate the matching
mLoad() method.  I already have one to load the class from an xml disk file.
Now I have to build one to load it from an existing table in the database.

I will let you know how the testing goes.  I am curious what the data types
will be for this table.  The data types of the class are known to the
xmlSerializer but the data type does not show up in the XML file produced
from the stream.  Is it possible to tell the serializer to include data
types in the xml file?  Is this part of the XML standard?

At any rate, again, thanks a million for your assistance on this Shamil.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 6:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Hello John,

Yes, I think you can use MemoryStream - here is a sample code (watch line
wraps):

Imports System.Data
Imports System.Data.OleDb
Imports System.Xml.Serialization

Module TestImportXmlFile

    Sub Main()
        Dim rootDir As String = "E:\Temp\XML\"
        Dim accDbFileName As String = "testXML.mdb"
        Try
            Dim accConnection As String = _
                 "Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;Data Source=" + _
                 rootDir + accDbFileName

            ' simulate custom object instance by 
            ' using DataSet instance, which data
            ' is loaded from external XMl file
            Dim xmlFileFullPath As String = rootDir + "clsLogData.xml"

            Dim textImportStream As System.IO.StreamReader = _
                  New IO.StreamReader(xmlFileFullPath)
            Dim dsObjectSimulator As New DataSet()
            dsObjectSimulator.ReadXml(textImportStream, _
				XmlReadMode.InferSchema)

            ' serialize DataSet data into memory stream
            ' (use your custom object instance here)
            Dim myStream As System.IO.Stream = New IO.MemoryStream()
            mSave(myStream, dsObjectSimulator)

            ' read memory stream's data into dataset
            Dim ds As New DataSet()
            myStream.Position = 0
            ds.ReadXml(myStream)

            ' write DataSet's data into database table
            Using cnn As New OleDbConnection(accConnection)
                Dim cmd As New OleDbCommand("select * from [LogData]")
                Dim adapter As New OleDbDataAdapter(cmd)
                Dim builder As New OleDbCommandBuilder(adapter)
                cnn.Open()
                cmd.CommandType = CommandType.Text
                cmd.Connection = cnn
                adapter.Update(ds, "clsLogData")
                cnn.Close()
            End Using
        Catch ex As Exception
            Console.WriteLine(ex.Message)
        End Try

    End Sub

    'Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Type) As
Boolean
    Public Function mSave(ByVal stream As IO.Stream, ByVal t As Object) As
Boolean
        Dim serializer As New XmlSerializer(t.GetType())
        Try
            serializer.Serialize(stream, t)
            Return True
        Catch ex As Exception
            Return False
        End Try
    End Function

End Module

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 05:01:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 06:01:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database
In-Reply-To: <002f01c80978$3959a180$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <000c01c80922$ac967a20$657aa8c0@M90>
	<002f01c80978$3959a180$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001b01c80992$27223e90$657aa8c0@M90>

I looked but did not find a way for the ADO stuff to just persist a table
that is in a data set but not in SQL Server.  Is there such a thing or will
I need to build up a sql statement to execute to do this? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

<<<
Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?
>>>
Yes.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Importing XML into a database

Shamil,

The code line :

adapter.Update(ds, className)

Is throwing an exception "Deferred prepare could not be completed.
Statement(s) could not be prepared.
Invalid object name 'tlbLog'."

tblLog does NOT exist yet in SQL Server and so an update is probably not
legal.  Somehow the table has to be created in SQL Server first?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct  8 08:15:42 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:15:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 White Paper
Message-ID: <001201c809ad$54a1ef30$0200a8c0@danwaters>

A white paper (10 minutes to read) describing Office 2003 SP3 is here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9c6736ba-ac90-4308-
855a-070812b11e03&DisplayLang=en

A couple of good things for Access (among several):

- Users can now install Microsoft Office AccessT add-ins on Windows Vista. 

- Moving the mouse over pages of a tab control in Access 2003 no longer
causes the computer screen to flicker. 

Has anyone had further experience with SP3 - good or bad or indifferent?

Dan



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 08:37:50 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:37:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>

It's CDN Thanksgiving, so here is my Thanksgiving: Thank you all for being
here on these various dba-subgroups: I learn somethings every day here,
which explains my reading virtually every message here. Thank you all!

Basically I'm a vegetarian, not for any spiritual or dietary reasons, and I
do allow myself to eat meat on various celebratory occasions, this being one
of them. I surely feel the pain in the morning, however, but it's nice to
share food and give thanks with friends. We have it sooooo good. We are not
murdering each other. We may have slight disagreements, to be sure, but we
get along and learn from one another. That is something precious for which
to be thankful.

I realize that the USA members have to wait another month or so celebrate,
and that this celebratory day may mean little or nothing to members in other
parts of the world, but anyway, Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
than I was.

Arthur


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 08:52:48 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 09:52:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003101c809b2$83b44fc0$657aa8c0@M90>

Happy Thanksgiving day Arthur.  We are unique in that politics do not
intrude on our lists and we all view each other as friends and human beings.
Enjoy your day. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 9:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of Hardware
and Software issues; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

It's CDN Thanksgiving, so here is my Thanksgiving: Thank you all for being
here on these various dba-subgroups: I learn somethings every day here,
which explains my reading virtually every message here. Thank you all!

Basically I'm a vegetarian, not for any spiritual or dietary reasons, and I
do allow myself to eat meat on various celebratory occasions, this being one
of them. I surely feel the pain in the morning, however, but it's nice to
share food and give thanks with friends. We have it sooooo good. We are not
murdering each other. We may have slight disagreements, to be sure, but we
get along and learn from one another. That is something precious for which
to be thankful.

I realize that the USA members have to wait another month or so celebrate,
and that this celebratory day may mean little or nothing to members in other
parts of the world, but anyway, Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
than I was.

Arthur
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  8 09:11:20 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 07:11:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501c809b5$1a36d1f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Amen.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Discussion of Hardware
and Software issues; dba-sqlserver at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

It's CDN Thanksgiving, so here is my Thanksgiving: Thank you all for being
here on these various dba-subgroups: I learn somethings every day here,
which explains my reading virtually every message here. Thank you all!

Basically I'm a vegetarian, not for any spiritual or dietary reasons, and I
do allow myself to eat meat on various celebratory occasions, this being one
of them. I surely feel the pain in the morning, however, but it's nice to
share food and give thanks with friends. We have it sooooo good. We are not
murdering each other. We may have slight disagreements, to be sure, but we
get along and learn from one another. That is something precious for which
to be thankful.

I realize that the USA members have to wait another month or so celebrate,
and that this celebratory day may mean little or nothing to members in other
parts of the world, but anyway, Thanks to you all I am a better programmer
than I was.

Arthur
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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon Oct  8 09:24:22 2007
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 10:24:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <001501c809b5$1a36d1f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531A@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last
date of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the
fourth Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth
Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if
there is an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  8 09:45:48 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:45:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70a5ec8.014@cactus.dk>

Hi Joe

What a strange request. Where do you use such info?

Anyway, the first function below should get you started; loop through the months in question, and when a month with a count of five is found, check if the preceeding two months each have a count of four. If a full 4-4-5 match is located, retrieve the last date of the last month using the second function.

/gustav

Public Function WeekdaysOfMonth( _
  ByVal datDateOfMonth As Date, _
  Optional ByVal intWeekday As Integer) _
  As Long

' Calculate count of a weekday in a month
' which always is four or five.
'
' 2002-07-14. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Minimum number of weeks for any month.
  Const clngCountWeekdayMin As Long = 4
  ' Number of days in a week.
  Const clngWeekdays        As Long = 7
  ' Specify default weekday.
  Const cintweekdayDefault  As Integer = vbSunday
  
  Dim datWeekday28th        As Date
  Dim datWeekdayLast        As Date
  Dim intWeekday28th        As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayLast        As Integer
  Dim intYear               As Integer
  Dim intMonth              As Integer
  Dim lngFive               As Long
  
  ' Validate intWeekday.
  Select Case intWeekday
    Case vbMonday, vbTuesday, vbWednesday, vbThursday, vbFriday, vbSaturday, vbSunday
      ' No change.
    Case Else
      ' Pick default weekday.
      intWeekday = cintweekdayDefault
  End Select

  intYear = Year(datDateOfMonth)
  intMonth = Month(datDateOfMonth)
  ' Dates of the 28th and the last of the month.
  datWeekday28th = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth, clngCountWeekdayMin * clngWeekdays)
  datWeekdayLast = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth + 1, 0)
  ' Weekdays of the 28th and the last of the month.
  intWeekday28th = WeekDay(datWeekday28th, vbSunday)
  intWeekdayLast = WeekDay(datWeekdayLast, vbSunday)
  
  ' Check if the weekday exists between the 28th and the last of the month.
  If intWeekday28th <= intWeekdayLast Then
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday And intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  Else
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday Or intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  End If
  
  WeekdaysOfMonth = clngCountWeekdayMin + lngFive

End Function


Public Function DateThisMonthLast( _
  Optional ByVal datDateThisMonth As Date) _
  As Date

  If datDateThisMonth = 0 Then
    datDateThisMonth = Date
  End If
  
  DateThisMonthLast = DateSerial(Year(datDateThisMonth), Month(datDateThisMonth) + 1, 0)

End Function



>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 08-10-2007 16:24 >>>
Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last
date of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the
fourth Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth
Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if
there is an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct  8 10:03:27 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:03:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 White Paper
In-Reply-To: <001201c809ad$54a1ef30$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001201c809ad$54a1ef30$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <000b01c809bc$63078d00$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I was just having that flicker problem on a complex tab form.  So I did the
upgrade and it cleared it up.  Previous solution was to make a text box zero
height and width and associate the label with it.  That stopped the flicker
on labels, but there was no solution for command buttons which caused the
same flicker.

So I did the upgrade and sure enough the flicker stopped.  Now I'm waiting
for the new, fresh SP3 bugs.  


Rocky
 




 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 White Paper

A white paper (10 minutes to read) describing Office 2003 SP3 is here:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=9c6736ba-ac90-4308-
855a-070812b11e03&DisplayLang=en

A couple of good things for Access (among several):

- Users can now install Microsoft Office AccessT add-ins on Windows Vista. 

- Moving the mouse over pages of a tab control in Access 2003 no longer
causes the computer screen to flicker. 

Has anyone had further experience with SP3 - good or bad or indifferent?

Dan

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct  8 10:09:53 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 08:09:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071006093947.02386c20@dgsolutions.net.au>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703873@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I suspect what you're asking is how to display an existing value that
isn't in the combo dropdown list.  As was pointed out, this isn't the
same as a default value.  

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David and
Joanne Gould
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value

I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default
value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing the
existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.

TIA

David


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From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon Oct  8 10:26:37 2007
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:26:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <s70a5ec8.014@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Thanks for the functions!

Some public companies use this pattern for their "end of months".
I don't know the logic behind it...I just know I need to make my app
work with it. :)

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov
only have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays.
The rational must be buried in that fact.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Joe

What a strange request. Where do you use such info?

Anyway, the first function below should get you started; loop through
the months in question, and when a month with a count of five is found,
check if the preceeding two months each have a count of four. If a full
4-4-5 match is located, retrieve the last date of the last month using
the second function.

/gustav

Public Function WeekdaysOfMonth( _
  ByVal datDateOfMonth As Date, _
  Optional ByVal intWeekday As Integer) _
  As Long

' Calculate count of a weekday in a month
' which always is four or five.
'
' 2002-07-14. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Minimum number of weeks for any month.
  Const clngCountWeekdayMin As Long = 4
  ' Number of days in a week.
  Const clngWeekdays        As Long = 7
  ' Specify default weekday.
  Const cintweekdayDefault  As Integer = vbSunday
  
  Dim datWeekday28th        As Date
  Dim datWeekdayLast        As Date
  Dim intWeekday28th        As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayLast        As Integer
  Dim intYear               As Integer
  Dim intMonth              As Integer
  Dim lngFive               As Long
  
  ' Validate intWeekday.
  Select Case intWeekday
    Case vbMonday, vbTuesday, vbWednesday, vbThursday, vbFriday,
vbSaturday, vbSunday
      ' No change.
    Case Else
      ' Pick default weekday.
      intWeekday = cintweekdayDefault
  End Select

  intYear = Year(datDateOfMonth)
  intMonth = Month(datDateOfMonth)
  ' Dates of the 28th and the last of the month.
  datWeekday28th = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth, clngCountWeekdayMin *
clngWeekdays)
  datWeekdayLast = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth + 1, 0)
  ' Weekdays of the 28th and the last of the month.
  intWeekday28th = WeekDay(datWeekday28th, vbSunday)
  intWeekdayLast = WeekDay(datWeekdayLast, vbSunday)
  
  ' Check if the weekday exists between the 28th and the last of the
month.
  If intWeekday28th <= intWeekdayLast Then
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday And intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  Else
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday Or intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  End If
  
  WeekdaysOfMonth = clngCountWeekdayMin + lngFive

End Function


Public Function DateThisMonthLast( _
  Optional ByVal datDateThisMonth As Date) _
  As Date

  If datDateThisMonth = 0 Then
    datDateThisMonth = Date
  End If
  
  DateThisMonthLast = DateSerial(Year(datDateThisMonth),
Month(datDateThisMonth) + 1, 0)

End Function



>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 08-10-2007 16:24 >>>
Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last
date of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the
fourth Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth
Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if
there is an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 10:36:52 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:36:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
References: <s70a5ec8.014@cactus.dk>
	<758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c809c1$0d2f7050$657aa8c0@M90>

Joe,

How many Saturdays each month contains will vary from year to year as the
calendar slides around.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Thanks for the functions!

Some public companies use this pattern for their "end of months".
I don't know the logic behind it...I just know I need to make my app work
with it. :)

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov only
have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays.
The rational must be buried in that fact.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Joe

What a strange request. Where do you use such info?

Anyway, the first function below should get you started; loop through the
months in question, and when a month with a count of five is found, check if
the preceeding two months each have a count of four. If a full
4-4-5 match is located, retrieve the last date of the last month using the
second function.

/gustav

Public Function WeekdaysOfMonth( _
  ByVal datDateOfMonth As Date, _
  Optional ByVal intWeekday As Integer) _
  As Long

' Calculate count of a weekday in a month ' which always is four or five.
'
' 2002-07-14. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Minimum number of weeks for any month.
  Const clngCountWeekdayMin As Long = 4
  ' Number of days in a week.
  Const clngWeekdays        As Long = 7
  ' Specify default weekday.
  Const cintweekdayDefault  As Integer = vbSunday
  
  Dim datWeekday28th        As Date
  Dim datWeekdayLast        As Date
  Dim intWeekday28th        As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayLast        As Integer
  Dim intYear               As Integer
  Dim intMonth              As Integer
  Dim lngFive               As Long
  
  ' Validate intWeekday.
  Select Case intWeekday
    Case vbMonday, vbTuesday, vbWednesday, vbThursday, vbFriday, vbSaturday,
vbSunday
      ' No change.
    Case Else
      ' Pick default weekday.
      intWeekday = cintweekdayDefault
  End Select

  intYear = Year(datDateOfMonth)
  intMonth = Month(datDateOfMonth)
  ' Dates of the 28th and the last of the month.
  datWeekday28th = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth, clngCountWeekdayMin *
clngWeekdays)
  datWeekdayLast = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth + 1, 0)
  ' Weekdays of the 28th and the last of the month.
  intWeekday28th = WeekDay(datWeekday28th, vbSunday)
  intWeekdayLast = WeekDay(datWeekdayLast, vbSunday)
  
  ' Check if the weekday exists between the 28th and the last of the month.
  If intWeekday28th <= intWeekdayLast Then
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday And intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  Else
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday Or intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  End If
  
  WeekdaysOfMonth = clngCountWeekdayMin + lngFive

End Function


Public Function DateThisMonthLast( _
  Optional ByVal datDateThisMonth As Date) _
  As Date

  If datDateThisMonth = 0 Then
    datDateThisMonth = Date
  End If
  
  DateThisMonthLast = DateSerial(Year(datDateThisMonth),
Month(datDateThisMonth) + 1, 0)

End Function



>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 08-10-2007 16:24 >>>
Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last date
of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the fourth
Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if there is
an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506



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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Mon Oct  8 10:37:18 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:37:18 -0400 
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7082@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

-----Original Message-----
<snip>

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov only
have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays. The rational must be
buried in that fact.

<snip>

Not so, I'm afraid. The number of Saturdays in a month is not static. It
depends on what year you are looking at. For instance May 2008 has 5, not 4.
June 2008 has 4, not 5.

Lambert


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Oct  8 10:39:57 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 11:39:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
References: <s70a5ec8.014@cactus.dk>
	<758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C531D@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <007201c809c1$7b937aa0$8abea8c0@XPS>


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Thanks for the functions!

Some public companies use this pattern for their "end of months".
I don't know the logic behind it...I just know I need to make my app
work with it. :)

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov
only have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays.
The rational must be buried in that fact.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:46 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Joe

What a strange request. Where do you use such info?

Anyway, the first function below should get you started; loop through
the months in question, and when a month with a count of five is found,
check if the preceeding two months each have a count of four. If a full
4-4-5 match is located, retrieve the last date of the last month using
the second function.

/gustav

Public Function WeekdaysOfMonth( _
  ByVal datDateOfMonth As Date, _
  Optional ByVal intWeekday As Integer) _
  As Long

' Calculate count of a weekday in a month
' which always is four or five.
'
' 2002-07-14. Cactus Data ApS, CPH.

  ' Minimum number of weeks for any month.
  Const clngCountWeekdayMin As Long = 4
  ' Number of days in a week.
  Const clngWeekdays        As Long = 7
  ' Specify default weekday.
  Const cintweekdayDefault  As Integer = vbSunday
  
  Dim datWeekday28th        As Date
  Dim datWeekdayLast        As Date
  Dim intWeekday28th        As Integer
  Dim intWeekdayLast        As Integer
  Dim intYear               As Integer
  Dim intMonth              As Integer
  Dim lngFive               As Long
  
  ' Validate intWeekday.
  Select Case intWeekday
    Case vbMonday, vbTuesday, vbWednesday, vbThursday, vbFriday,
vbSaturday, vbSunday
      ' No change.
    Case Else
      ' Pick default weekday.
      intWeekday = cintweekdayDefault
  End Select

  intYear = Year(datDateOfMonth)
  intMonth = Month(datDateOfMonth)
  ' Dates of the 28th and the last of the month.
  datWeekday28th = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth, clngCountWeekdayMin *
clngWeekdays)
  datWeekdayLast = DateSerial(intYear, intMonth + 1, 0)
  ' Weekdays of the 28th and the last of the month.
  intWeekday28th = WeekDay(datWeekday28th, vbSunday)
  intWeekdayLast = WeekDay(datWeekdayLast, vbSunday)
  
  ' Check if the weekday exists between the 28th and the last of the
month.
  If intWeekday28th <= intWeekdayLast Then
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday And intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  Else
    If intWeekday28th < intWeekday Or intWeekday <= intWeekdayLast Then
      lngFive = 1
    End If
  End If
  
  WeekdaysOfMonth = clngCountWeekdayMin + lngFive

End Function


Public Function DateThisMonthLast( _
  Optional ByVal datDateThisMonth As Date) _
  As Date

  If datDateThisMonth = 0 Then
    datDateThisMonth = Date
  End If
  
  DateThisMonthLast = DateSerial(Year(datDateThisMonth),
Month(datDateThisMonth) + 1, 0)

End Function



>>> JRojas at tnco-inc.com 08-10-2007 16:24 >>>
Hello,

I am trying to come up with a code snippet that will give me the last
date of the month on a 4-4-5 schedule.
A 4-4-5 schedule is when the first two months in a quarter end on the
fourth Saturday of the month and the 3rd month ends on the fifth
Saturday.

e.g.
Jan 07 - 1/27/2007
Feb 07 - 2/24/2007
Mar 07 - 3/31/2007

I can get these dates using brute force but I was looking to see if
there is an elegant way.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506



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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 11:30:56 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 11:30:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <007201c809c1$7b937aa0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29CFB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct  8 11:42:28 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:42:28 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70a7a25.021@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

You can certainly do better than that.
Since when have you turned old and lazy?

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 18:30 >>>
.. Seems like the most efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew




From JRojas at tnco-inc.com  Mon Oct  8 12:45:48 2007
From: JRojas at tnco-inc.com (Joe Rojas)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:45:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7082@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C5323@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>

Good catch.
Either way the requirement stays the same.

I ended up using DateSerial to move to the beginning of the month, then
to the first Saturday, and then add 3 or 4 week accordingly.
Seems to work out well.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

-----Original Message-----
<snip>

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov
only
have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays. The rational must be
buried in that fact.

<snip>

Not so, I'm afraid. The number of Saturdays in a month is not static. It
depends on what year you are looking at. For instance May 2008 has 5,
not 4.
June 2008 has 4, not 5.

Lambert
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Oct  8 12:59:07 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:59:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C5323@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7082@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
	<758E92433C4F3740B67BE4DD369AF5775C5323@ex2k3.corp.tnco-inc.com>
Message-ID: <001501c809d4$ec7f94c0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Joe,

  To thoroughly test, make sure you try your calc for the next 7 years
forward.  I think where your going to run into trouble is with either the
start or end of the year, as they may not be full weeks.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:46 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Good catch.
Either way the requirement stays the same.

I ended up using DateSerial to move to the beginning of the month, then
to the first Saturday, and then add 3 or 4 week accordingly.
Seems to work out well.

Joe Rojas
Information Technology Manager
Symmetry Medical TNCO
15 Colebrook Blvd
Whitman MA 02382
781.447.6661 x7506


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

-----Original Message-----
<snip>

If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov
only
have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays. The rational must be
buried in that fact.

<snip>

Not so, I'm afraid. The number of Saturdays in a month is not static. It
depends on what year you are looking at. For instance May 2008 has 5,
not 4.
June 2008 has 4, not 5.

Lambert
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Oct  8 13:05:09 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 08 Oct 2007 14:05:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29CFB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <007201c809c1$7b937aa0$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29CFB@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <002801c809d5$c446d6c0$8abea8c0@XPS>


  Besides which with a lookup table, they can implement whatever type of
closing schedule they want (monthly or 4-4-5).  For myself, I've always used
a hybrid approach; I use a lookup table, but fill that table automatically
for them with what I believe to be the correct dates based on what they tell
me the last day of the week is and what schedule their using.  Finial check
then is up to them.

  I'd be leery of using a totally calculated approach.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:11:41 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:11:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
References: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
	<003101c809b2$83b44fc0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

> intrude on our lists and we all view each other as friends and human 
> beings.



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:32:00 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:32:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com>
	<003101c809b2$83b44fc0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710081132wcf660beyc235144423dd94f3@mail.gmail.com>

Yup. I have found several reasons to use unbounded forms -- not often, to be
sure, but now and then, especially when dealing with classes rather than
tables.

A.

On 10/8/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Even the unbounders???? ;)
>
> Susan H.
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 13:36:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:36:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <29f585dd0710080637m7beea296tbd5412cd413cad75@mail.gmail.com><003101c809b2$83b44fc0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <000801c809da$2d3f41e0$657aa8c0@M90>

Oh.  I forgot about them.

Never mind!

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

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> beings.

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:38:41 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:38:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <s70a7a25.021@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D22@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair
too.... ;)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Drew

You can certainly do better than that.
Since when have you turned old and lazy?

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 18:30 >>>
.. Seems like the most efficient route would be to just build a look up
table.

Drew


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:40:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:40:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <002801c809d5$c446d6c0$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D23@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Not sure if that will actually do the trick.  If you are going on a true
4 4 5 routine, eventually, the Saturday will be in a different month.

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  Besides which with a lookup table, they can implement whatever type of
closing schedule they want (monthly or 4-4-5).  For myself, I've always
used
a hybrid approach; I use a lookup table, but fill that table
automatically
for them with what I believe to be the correct dates based on what they
tell
me the last day of the week is and what schedule their using.  Finial
check
then is up to them.

  I'd be leery of using a totally calculated approach.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:41:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:41:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <004801c809d6$cfe7b7a0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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Ya know, OT has been pretty quiet lately.  If you really want to stir
the pot, why not start something over there?

;)

Drew

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:42:37 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:42:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <000801c809da$2d3f41e0$657aa8c0@M90>
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Nice one JC, let everyone believe you haven't gone to the dark
side...good ploy! ;)

Drew

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Oh.  I forgot about them.

Never mind!

;-) 


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Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 13:45:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 14:45:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D22@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00ac01c809db$87bf2d00$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

You certainly have given me a few... ;) 

Susan H. 


> Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair
> too.... ;)
> 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Oct  8 13:54:11 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:54:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c809db$87bf2d00$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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LOL, so you were trying to get some more with stirring up the
unbound/bound issue here? LOL.

Glutton for punishment ya are! ;)

Drew

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

You certainly have given me a few... ;) 

Susan H. 


> Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair
> too.... ;)
> 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct  8 14:08:37 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 15:08:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D2C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00e401c809de$bec3ecc0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Now look, I wasn't trying to stir up nothing... you've got me all wrong!!! 
;)

Susan H.

> LOL, so you were trying to get some more with stirring up the
> unbound/bound issue here? LOL.
>
> Glutton for punishment ya are! ;)
.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 15:40:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:40:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
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	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29D22@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Ahh, the long slide into oblivion... 


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:39 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair too....
;)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Drew

You can certainly do better than that.
Since when have you turned old and lazy?

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 18:30 >>>
.. Seems like the most efficient route would be to just build a look up
table.

Drew


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct  8 15:40:57 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 16:40:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving
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8~)) 


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Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 2:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Canadian Thanksgiving

Nice one JC, let everyone believe you haven't gone to the dark side...good
ploy! ;)

Drew

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Oh.  I forgot about them.

Never mind!

;-) 


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Even the unbounders???? ;)

Susan H.

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Mon Oct  8 22:38:35 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 16:38:35 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
Message-ID: <20071009033741.HYWK9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

AccessXP mde.

I have a drop down list with names of 
businesses.  It is set up so that when the user 
starts typing the first match is filled in.  The 
letters typed in are clear and the remaining 
letters of the match are highlighted.

In some cases, even though the whole name has not 
been typed in, the rest of the name automatically 
becomes unselected.  The user then needs to 
delete the matched letters they have NOT typed in 
to be able to continue typing to get the match they want.

It seems to be when the business name includes 
the word Cafe.  We have changed autocorrect so 
that Cafe is not automatically changed to Caf? 
(with the squiggle over the e) but this doesn't seem to have helped.

I think it may be settings as some computers work 
fine - only some have this problem. Although they 
are running the program through terminal server 
so I would have thought that they should all react the same.

Any thoughts what may be the problem?

Regards

David Emerson
Dalyn Software Ltd
Wellington, New Zealand 




From kp at sdsonline.net  Mon Oct  8 23:26:19 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:26:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
References: <20071009033741.HYWK9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <000701c80a2c$8b92ed80$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

David - I have a similiar routine for combo boxes and have never seen that 
(in A2K and 2003).

Have you actually turned off Autocorrect completely and then tried again?

Kath

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From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:38 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing


> AccessXP mde.
>
> I have a drop down list with names of
> businesses.  It is set up so that when the user
> starts typing the first match is filled in.  The
> letters typed in are clear and the remaining
> letters of the match are highlighted.
>
> In some cases, even though the whole name has not
> been typed in, the rest of the name automatically
> becomes unselected.  The user then needs to
> delete the matched letters they have NOT typed in
> to be able to continue typing to get the match they want.
>
> It seems to be when the business name includes
> the word Cafe.  We have changed autocorrect so
> that Cafe is not automatically changed to Caf?
> (with the squiggle over the e) but this doesn't seem to have helped.
>
> I think it may be settings as some computers work
> fine - only some have this problem. Although they
> are running the program through terminal server
> so I would have thought that they should all react the same.
>
> Any thoughts what may be the problem?
>
> Regards
>
> David Emerson
> Dalyn Software Ltd
> Wellington, New Zealand
>
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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Oct  9 01:07:10 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:07:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Autocorrect Combo
Message-ID: <001901c80a3a$a19952a0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

David - sorry for change in subject line. I deleted the prev email and forgot what your original subject was.

Just a thought - if autocorrect IS causing the problem, and you don't want to turn off Autocorrect completely, then you could just disable it for that one control, eg.
Me.CboName.AllowAutoCorrect = False

You wouldn't really want Autocorrect in it anyway, would you?

hth
Kath Pelletti



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 04:41:23 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:41:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70b68f6.028@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Oh, that explains (... said the gray haired oldy).

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 20:38 >>>
Well I did turn 35 a few weeks ago, starting to get some grey hair
too.... ;)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Drew

You can certainly do better than that.
Since when have you turned old and lazy?

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 08-10-2007 18:30 >>>
.. Seems like the most efficient route would be to just build a look up
table.

Drew




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 04:46:35 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 11:46:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70b6a42.029@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

Leery? I wonder why. A function like this will run in microseconds and begs to be wrapped into a callback function as source for your combo.

This is a general comment. That said, I still don't get how this 4-4-5 system should be used and calculated, and your comments about weeks at year end seem highly relevant.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 08-10-2007 20:05 >>>

  Besides which with a lookup table, they can implement whatever type of
closing schedule they want (monthly or 4-4-5).  For myself, I've always used
a hybrid approach; I use a lookup table, but fill that table automatically
for them with what I believe to be the correct dates based on what they tell
me the last day of the week is and what schedule their using.  Finial check
then is up to them.

  I'd be leery of using a totally calculated approach.

Jim.


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 08:06:00 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 09:06:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
References: <20071009033741.HYWK9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <006201c80a75$ccb1b9b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

What about updates? If it works on some systems and not others, could be a 
update inconsistency.

Susan H.



I think it may be settings as some computers work
fine - only some have this problem. Although they
are running the program through terminal server
so I would have thought that they should all react the same.

Any thoughts what may be the problem?




From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Oct  9 08:18:17 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 09:18:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
In-Reply-To: <s70b6a42.029@cactus.dk>
References: <s70b6a42.029@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <004d01c80a76$db9828a0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Gustav,

<<Leery? I wonder why.>>

  My gut hunch is it would be easy for the calculation logic to be wrong and
miss it. It would be something that I would want to exhaustively test.  Case
in point; it was only seven years ago that a lot of date calculations messed
up because they didn't include the third rule for calculating leap years (if
it's divisible by 400, then it is a leap year).

  Then of course a large part of that distrust is probably just old habit;
I've been using a lookup table for fiscal dates since my Wang mini days.
Just seems a lot simpler and straight forward to me and I've never had a
problem doing it that way.  So as the saying goes, "If it's not broke...."

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 5:47 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

Hi Jim

Leery? I wonder why. A function like this will run in microseconds and begs
to be wrapped into a callback function as source for your combo.

This is a general comment. That said, I still don't get how this 4-4-5
system should be used and calculated, and your comments about weeks at year
end seem highly relevant.

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 08-10-2007 20:05 >>>

  Besides which with a lookup table, they can implement whatever type of
closing schedule they want (monthly or 4-4-5).  For myself, I've always used
a hybrid approach; I use a lookup table, but fill that table automatically
for them with what I believe to be the correct dates based on what they tell
me the last day of the week is and what schedule their using.  Finial check
then is up to them.

  I'd be leery of using a totally calculated approach.

Jim.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 12:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule

I concur.  If you want the last Saturday of any month, I can do that in
one line of code, but this 4-4-5 thing is going to shift one day every
year (and 2 every leap year).  So eventually, you will end up with the
start of a fiscal month at the beginning of another month. (Take 2007,
if you say that 1-31-2007 is the end of the month, the beginning would
actually be 12-31-2006).  I'm good at math, but the 4 4 5 thing eludes
me how to come up with an equation to calculate it.  Seems like the most
efficient route would be to just build a look up table.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule


  It's a standard in the US financial community.  It's based on the fact
that the year needs to be divided up into 13 week quarters for
accounting,
yet the calendar varies.

  The way I typically see this implemented is a table containing the
last
(or first) fiscal date for each month, and the last day of the fiscal
year.
It's then easy to determine which month (and hence quarter) a given date
falls into.

Jim. 


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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Tue Oct  9 08:34:59 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:34:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703873@INFOSERVER04.infost
	at.local>
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	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703873@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233315.023ee548@dgsolutions.net.au>

Charlotte

The value is in the drop down list, I just want it to show the most 
common value (the query doers it fine) so the user can just accept 
the value instead of having to select it from the dropdown list.

David

At 01:09 AM 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>I suspect what you're asking is how to display an existing value that
>isn't in the combo dropdown list.  As was pointed out, this isn't the
>same as a default value.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David and
>Joanne Gould
>Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:42 PM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
>
>I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default
>value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing the
>existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.
>
>TIA
>
>David
>
>
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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Tue Oct  9 08:38:12 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 23:38:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
Message-ID: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>

Steve

The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a 
tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by 
most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a 
blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default. 
The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order 
- just leaves it blank until a choice is made.

Hope this makes more sense.

David

At 10:12 AM 6/10/2007, you wrote:
>David,
>
>The Default Value of a control only has a meaning at the point where a
>new record is being created.  If another control already has a value,
>then that point has passed, and the default value of your combobox is no
>longer applicable.
>
>Perhaps you could explain a bit more detail about what you are doing,
>and someone will be able to suggest an alternative approach.
>
>Regards
>Steve
>
>
>David and Joanne Gould wrote:
> > I hope someone can help with this. I am trying to control the default
> > value of a combo box from a value in another combo box while showing
> > the existing value for a record. I hope this makes sense.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  9 09:41:19 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 07:41:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even bother
clicking the link.
 
Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download your
own copy of VisiCalc.
 
http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
<http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=10438
> &GT1=10438  

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com

 

 


 

 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 10:23:46 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:23:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710090823k2665b06i9f5e97542472e895@mail.gmail.com>

You could count the actual entries in the table (not in the lookup table)
and select top 1 descending: Here's an example drawn from one of my apps.

SELECT TOP 1 LightCurtainData_tbl.CompanyID, Count([CompanyID]) AS
Occurrences
FROM LightCurtainData_tbl
GROUP BY CompanyID
Order By Count([CompanyID]) DESC

Edit to suit, save as a named query. Use Dlookup() to obtain the value. Make
the default value of the combo "=Dlookup("[CompanyID]",
"LightCurtainData_tbl") in this case. Substitute your own values for the
table and columns and you're away to the races. I just whipped up a sample
form to test it and it works as advertised.

hth,
Arthur

On 10/9/07, David and Joanne Gould <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au> wrote:
>
> Steve
>
> The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.
>
> Hope this makes more sense.
>
> David
>
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 10:26:43 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:26:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710090823k2665b06i9f5e97542472e895@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
	<29f585dd0710090823k2665b06i9f5e97542472e895@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710090826u79c1c212l497bdc36f0ae9611@mail.gmail.com>

Oops. I clicked "Send" too quickly. In the Dlookup you refer to the named
query not the table. In my case  the combo box's  default  value is:

=DLookUp("CompanyID","CompanyCount_Desc_qs")

(The _qs is my naming convention, denoting a query select. _qu is a query
update, _qd is a delete, etc.)

A.

On 10/9/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You could count the actual entries in the table (not in the lookup table)
> and select top 1 descending: Here's an example drawn from one of my apps.
>
> SELECT TOP 1 LightCurtainData_tbl.CompanyID, Count([CompanyID]) AS
> Occurrences
> FROM LightCurtainData_tbl
> GROUP BY CompanyID
> Order By Count([CompanyID]) DESC
>
> Edit to suit, save as a named query. Use Dlookup() to obtain the value.
> Make the default value of the combo "=Dlookup("[CompanyID]",
> "LightCurtainData_tbl") in this case. Substitute your own values for the
> table and columns and you're away to the races. I just whipped up a sample
> form to test it and it works as advertised.
>
> hth,
> Arthur
>
> On 10/9/07, David and Joanne Gould <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> > tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> > most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> > blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> > The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> > - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.
> >
> > Hope this makes more sense.
> >
> > David
> >
> >
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 10:29:05 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:29:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even bother
> clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download your
> own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  9 10:41:27 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 08:41:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c80a8a$dba7c8f0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I'm embarrassed to say how many of those machines I either owned or worked
on.  

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even 
> bother clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download 
> your own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=
> 10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  9 10:58:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:58:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004501c80a8d$461e0c60$657aa8c0@M90>

>My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M.

LOL.  My first PC I built from a kit.  It had 512K or ram and didn't come
with anything.  I ran CPM on it, and any software of interest that I could
download off of the bulletin boards that I dialed into using a 2400 baud
modem.  Stored them on a dual drive 8 inch floppy (which cost me $750) with
a whopping 1 meg storage per floppy.  I was writing programs in Turbo Pascal
at that time (~1983).

My first "PC" pc was an Epson PCXT with DOS, and I purchased Dbase III Plus,
Word Perfect and Lotus 123.  That would have been ~1986 or so.  An XT
machine with a 10 meg disk and (gasp) FIVE MEGS of ram, most of which was
just used as a RAM disk since DOS did not directly support more than about
640K at that time.  I knew I was "famous" when I got a call from a person in
New York (I was living in San Diego at that time) who had downloaded one of
my programs off of a bulletin board somewhere and wanted me to make some mod
or another.

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I
tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even 
> bother clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download 
> your own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=
> 10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 11:32:35 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:32:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <s70bc96b.040@cactus.dk>

Hi John

That was indeed a cruel action. Word 2.0 to replace WP ... she has my sympathy.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 17:58 >>>

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.





From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 11:41:29 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:41:29 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <BAY127-W34E5C6AC3FF55F4329BBCFD2A50@phx.gbl>


About 4 years ago I tried to write a function to determine a 4-4-5 calendar.  What I ran into is the business continuously had to adjust the calendar here and there to account for each year...even though they claimed, "Its easy...4-4-5,,,see>?"...then when I showed them the following year's dates...."Oh?>?>?...we just change that week...that doesn't count."
 
Being that this type of accounting is constantly evolving...I vote for a table that lists every date for the next 5 years...and just tell it what fiscal month/week/year it belongs to.
 
Mark A. Matte> Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2007 13:59:07 -0400> From: jimdettman at verizon.net> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule> > Joe,> > To thoroughly test, make sure you try your calc for the next 7 years> forward. I think where your going to run into trouble is with either the> start or end of the year, as they may not be full weeks.> > Jim. > > -----Original Message-----> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe Rojas> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 1:46 PM> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule> > Good catch.> Either way the requirement stays the same.> > I ended up using DateSerial to move to the beginning of the month, then> to the first Saturday, and then add 3 or 4 week accordingly.> Seems to work out well.> > Joe Rojas> Information Technology Manager> Symmetry Medical TNCO> 15 Colebrook Blvd> Whitman MA 02382> 781.447.6661 x7506> > > -----Original Message-----> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,> Lambert> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 11:37 AM> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule> > -----Original Message-----> <snip>> > If you look at a calendar, Jan, Feb, Apr, May, Jul, Aug, Oct, and Nov> only> have 4 Saturdays and the others have 5 Saturdays. The rational must be> buried in that fact.> > <snip>> > Not so, I'm afraid. The number of Saturdays in a month is not static. It> depends on what year you are looking at. For instance May 2008 has 5,> not 4.> June 2008 has 4, not 5.> > Lambert> -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  9 11:45:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:45:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <s70bc96b.040@cactus.dk>
References: <s70bc96b.040@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <005601c80a93$dbcd6340$657aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

That was indeed a cruel action. Word 2.0 to replace WP ... she has my
sympathy.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 17:58 >>>

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I
tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 11:55:10 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:55:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <s70bceb2.041@cactus.dk>

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

That was indeed a cruel action. Word 2.0 to replace WP ... she has my
sympathy.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 17:58 >>>

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I
tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 11:59:24 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:59:24 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Calculating End of Month on a 4-4-5 Schedule
Message-ID: <s70bcfa3.042@cactus.dk>

Hi Mark

Thanks, that explains why I can't get hold on it. Computers are bad for systems with no strict rules.

/gustav

>>> markamatte at hotmail.com 09-10-2007 18:41 >>>

About 4 years ago I tried to write a function to determine a 4-4-5 calendar.  What I ran into is the business continuously had to adjust the calendar here and there to account for each year...even though they claimed, "Its easy...4-4-5,,,see>?"...then when I showed them the following year's dates...."Oh?>?>?...we just change that week...that doesn't count."
 
Being that this type of accounting is constantly evolving...I vote for a table that lists every date for the next 5 years...and just tell it what fiscal month/week/year it belongs to.





From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 12:02:32 2007
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 13:02:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code - Installation Key
Message-ID: <BAY109-F315DA972CAA18D71686F9D9AA50@phx.gbl>


With the Developer Extensions, you are given a product key when you package 
an Access application.  The product key is embedded in the Setup.ini file.   
I want to control how many copies the user can install at their office.  I 
have included the license agreement in the installation of the software, but 
cannot figure out how to control how many copies the user is able to 
install.

With the wizard, the product key is automatic.  I want to only allow the 
user to install one copy with one product key.  Is this possible with the 
developer extensions?

I cannot find any documentation on this.






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PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
www.pro-soft.net
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  9 12:16:57 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 10:16:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation
Message-ID: <008c01c80a98$32cbe870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I am dealing with an excel workbook through automation and need to change
the active worksheet using the worksheet name.  I'm creating these
worksheets on the fly taking the name from a data value in the Access app.
But can't seem to get the syntax.
 
Does anyone know this offhand?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 	
	


From jengross at gte.net  Tue Oct  9 12:35:21 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 10:35:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code - Installation
	Key
In-Reply-To: <BAY109-F315DA972CAA18D71686F9D9AA50@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000a01c80a9a$c82f3f00$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Hi Julie,

The way that I have handled restricting the number of installations is
by using a start up form that requires the user to enter a serial number
that we provide, then register the software on our website through the
software, the website kicks back an unlock code that is generated
through an algorithm that takes incorporates the serial number.  The
website only allows registration of each serial number once.  I use
registry settings to track date of install, serial number, etc.  All of
that is set during the installation.

As I have seen from the way that major software manufacturers deal with
piracy, there is no easy way to restrict the number of installs.
Microsoft themselves has spent years and a lot of money to come up with
their authentication scheme - which most high school kids can get
around.  The best we can do is make it difficult.  I do this with serial
numbers and required website registration through the software.

Also, as an aside, I stopped using Microsoft's packaging for
distribution with Access 97.  I now use SageKey scripts with Wise
Installer.  I haven't even bothered to try Microsoft's scripts since I
found SageKey.  They do a fantastic job, installing minimal extra stuff
(like the mandatory Internet Explorer install that is required to
distribute A2K runtime - Microsoft installs IE automatically and makes
it the default browser, while SageKey checks to see if any IE is already
installed, and if not, installs IE 3 I think, a very small installation,
and does not change the default browser)  www.sagekey.com  

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie Reardon
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code - Installation
Key



With the Developer Extensions, you are given a product key when you
package 
an Access application.  The product key is embedded in the Setup.ini
file.   
I want to control how many copies the user can install at their office.
I 
have included the license agreement in the installation of the software,
but 
cannot figure out how to control how many copies the user is able to 
install.

With the wizard, the product key is automatic.  I want to only allow the

user to install one copy with one product key.  Is this possible with
the 
developer extensions?

I cannot find any documentation on this.






Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
www.pro-soft.net
NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business

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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Tue Oct  9 12:40:08 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 12:40:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation
In-Reply-To: <008c01c80a98$32cbe870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <008c01c80a98$32cbe870$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <095f01c80a9b$739a9ba0$056fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Rocky:

>From memory, I think it is something like:

    Set xlWs = xlWb.Worksheets(wrksheet)
    xlWs.Select 


Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation

Dear List:

I am dealing with an excel workbook through automation and need to change
the active worksheet using the worksheet name.  I'm creating these
worksheets on the fly taking the name from a data value in the Access app.
But can't seem to get the syntax.
 
Does anyone know this offhand?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 	
	
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct  9 12:27:00 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:27:00 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
In-Reply-To: <006201c80a75$ccb1b9b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <20071009033741.HYWK9910.fep05.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<006201c80a75$ccb1b9b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <20071009174458.YVIT18083.fep03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

The programme is working via terminal server.  My understanding is 
that all connections are using the same program (maybe with personal 
preferences stored?).

David

At 10/10/2007, you wrote:
>What about updates? If it works on some systems and not others, could be a
>update inconsistency.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
>
>I think it may be settings as some computers work
>fine - only some have this problem. Although they
>are running the program through terminal server
>so I would have thought that they should all react the same.
>
>Any thoughts what may be the problem?
>
>
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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct  9 12:28:27 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 06:28:27 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
In-Reply-To: <001901c80a3a$a19952a0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <001901c80a3a$a19952a0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20071009174503.YVKA18083.fep03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Kath - Have changed the subject line back again for you :-)

Thanks for the suggestion - I will try that.

David

At 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>David - sorry for change in subject line. I deleted the prev email 
>and forgot what your original subject was.
>
>Just a thought - if autocorrect IS causing the problem, and you 
>don't want to turn off Autocorrect completely, then you could just 
>disable it for that one control, eg.
>Me.CboName.AllowAutoCorrect = False
>
>You wouldn't really want Autocorrect in it anyway, would you?
>
>hth
>Kath Pelletti
>
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From prosoft6 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  9 12:45:43 2007
From: prosoft6 at hotmail.com (Julie Reardon)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 13:45:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code -
	InstallationKey
In-Reply-To: <000a01c80a9a$c82f3f00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <BAY109-F315DA972CAA18D71686F9D9AA50@phx.gbl>
	<000a01c80a9a$c82f3f00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <BAY109-DAV13D4065F5444E4D101E3DD9AA50@phx.gbl>

Hi Jennifer,

Thanks for your answer.  I was experimenting with the installation keys are
part of the database, but could not figure out how to get the installation
key to only pop-up once during installation.

Kind of confusing.  I will try what you suggested.

Thanks,

Julie Reardon
PRO-SOFT of NY, Inc.
44 Public Square, Suite 5
Watertown, NY  13601
Phone:  315.785.0319
Fax:  315.785.0323
NYS IT Contract#CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business
www.pro-soft.net

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 1:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code -
InstallationKey

Hi Julie,

The way that I have handled restricting the number of installations is
by using a start up form that requires the user to enter a serial number
that we provide, then register the software on our website through the
software, the website kicks back an unlock code that is generated
through an algorithm that takes incorporates the serial number.  The
website only allows registration of each serial number once.  I use
registry settings to track date of install, serial number, etc.  All of
that is set during the installation.

As I have seen from the way that major software manufacturers deal with
piracy, there is no easy way to restrict the number of installs.
Microsoft themselves has spent years and a lot of money to come up with
their authentication scheme - which most high school kids can get
around.  The best we can do is make it difficult.  I do this with serial
numbers and required website registration through the software.

Also, as an aside, I stopped using Microsoft's packaging for
distribution with Access 97.  I now use SageKey scripts with Wise
Installer.  I haven't even bothered to try Microsoft's scripts since I
found SageKey.  They do a fantastic job, installing minimal extra stuff
(like the mandatory Internet Explorer install that is required to
distribute A2K runtime - Microsoft installs IE automatically and makes
it the default browser, while SageKey checks to see if any IE is already
installed, and if not, installs IE 3 I think, a very small installation,
and does not change the default browser)  www.sagekey.com  

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Julie Reardon
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Developer Extensions and Product Code - Installation
Key



With the Developer Extensions, you are given a product key when you
package 
an Access application.  The product key is embedded in the Setup.ini
file.   
I want to control how many copies the user can install at their office.
I 
have included the license agreement in the installation of the software,
but 
cannot figure out how to control how many copies the user is able to 
install.

With the wizard, the product key is automatic.  I want to only allow the

user to install one copy with one product key.  Is this possible with
the 
developer extensions?

I cannot find any documentation on this.






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PRO-SOFT OF NY, INC.
44 Public Square Suite #5
Watertown, NY 13601
Phone: 315.785.0319
Fax: 315.785.0323
www.pro-soft.net
NYS IT Services Contract CMT026A
NYS Certified Woman-Owned Business

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct  9 12:50:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 19:50:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation
Message-ID: <s70bdb7f.045@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

That is, if wkb is your WorkBook:

  wkb.Worksheets(<name or index of worksheet>).Activate

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 09-10-2007 19:16 >>>
Dear List:

I am dealing with an excel workbook through automation and need to change
the active worksheet using the worksheet name.  I'm creating these
worksheets on the fly taking the name from a data value in the Access app.
But can't seem to get the syntax.
 
Does anyone know this offhand?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct  9 13:10:59 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 11:10:59 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Excel Automation
In-Reply-To: <s70bdb7f.045@cactus.dk>
References: <s70bdb7f.045@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00a001c80a9f$bef4a100$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

IT WORKED! (You knew it would.)   Thank you. 

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 10:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Excel Automation

Hi Rocky

That is, if wkb is your WorkBook:

  wkb.Worksheets(<name or index of worksheet>).Activate

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 09-10-2007 19:16 >>>
Dear List:

I am dealing with an excel workbook through automation and need to change
the active worksheet using the worksheet name.  I'm creating these
worksheets on the fly taking the name from a data value in the Access app.
But can't seem to get the syntax.
 
Does anyone know this offhand?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 13:10:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 14:10:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
Message-ID: <013701c80a9f$db5c5b80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most 
often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the case, 
you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a simple 
expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my head --  
someone's going to know it -- 

control.Data(0)

or something like that.

Susan H.


> Steve
>
> The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.



From robert at webedb.com  Tue Oct  9 14:00:14 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 14:00:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1191949202.3778.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1191949202.3778.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710091904.l99J42q3003686@databaseadvisors.com>

So did any of you guys use Condor 3 or DataPerfect?

Tandy 1000 MS-DOS?

Tandy 4p CP/M, TRS-DOS, etc.?


At 12:00 PM 10/9/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:55:10 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70bceb2.041 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi John
>
>You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back 
>memories struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in 
>WP 5.x a lot of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
>LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
>questions but she refused...  What was I to do?




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Oct  9 14:12:37 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 23:12:37 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <s70bceb2.041@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot of
macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From jengross at gte.net  Tue Oct  9 14:38:34 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 12:38:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <002d01c80aab$fe77ab40$6501a8c0@jefferson>

We use percussive maintenance quite a bit in the US as well.  I have one
computer that needs a good smack with the heel of my hand every once in
a while because the fan starts clattering and I can't stand the noise.
(I know I need to replace the fan before the whole thing overheats.)
The heel of the hand is great for eliminating many unwanted noises in
electrical equipment.

My first PC was the IBM pictured in the article.  At the time, with the
Epson dot matrix printer and a copy of Turbo Pascal, it was the largest
check I had ever written - over $3,000.  I still have the monitor - just
moved it from the garage to the attic - don't ask me why I've kept it.
It did not have a hard drive and I eventually put in a 10 meg drive and
an additional floppy drive.  There was so little RAM I can't remember
how little.  I used Turbo Pascal, VisiCalc, eventually Lotus 123, dBase
II.

I still have WordPerfect on one of my computers.  Hate that I can hardly
use it.  Love Reveal Codes.  Can never understand what the heck Word is
doing with formatting.

I've worked on Tandys in college.  I also used Vector Graphics computers
- they were the hot new thing in one lab, with Apple IIEs in the other.
A PDP-11 (I think) was in the main lab.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on
topic for this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have
had a high 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was
"sticked" to our house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we
used to go outside to the side of the house where this antenna was
installed and we used to beat it strongly, and that "beating" usually
helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6 years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter
time (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and
there is a moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a
magnificent frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from
moonlight snow on the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV,
and TV signal got worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and
so we go outside and beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and
voila' we had got very good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial
further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black & white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV
programmers from all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become
as usual here as it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I
used to make TV signal better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :) ...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot
of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with
her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Oct  9 15:00:49 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 15:00:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <s70bceb2.041@cactus.dk> <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF18@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I remember when the Mickey Mouse club was preempted for almost a WEEK
for the Eisenhower convention in '56. Dwight replacing Annette?! At age
5 I realized the country had its priorities backwards. I have seen
nothing since to convince me otherwise. :-)
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic
for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a
high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to
our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside
to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to
beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal
:) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there
is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow
on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside
and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got
very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers
from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual
here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV
signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct  9 17:48:17 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:48:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <002d01c80aab$fe77ab40$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29EB2@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Just curious, why can you 'hardly use' Wordperfect?  Is it that you
don't get the chance to use it, or does it have a problem running in a
modern OS?

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

We use percussive maintenance quite a bit in the US as well.  I have one
computer that needs a good smack with the heel of my hand every once in
a while because the fan starts clattering and I can't stand the noise.
(I know I need to replace the fan before the whole thing overheats.)
The heel of the hand is great for eliminating many unwanted noises in
electrical equipment.

My first PC was the IBM pictured in the article.  At the time, with the
Epson dot matrix printer and a copy of Turbo Pascal, it was the largest
check I had ever written - over $3,000.  I still have the monitor - just
moved it from the garage to the attic - don't ask me why I've kept it.
It did not have a hard drive and I eventually put in a 10 meg drive and
an additional floppy drive.  There was so little RAM I can't remember
how little.  I used Turbo Pascal, VisiCalc, eventually Lotus 123, dBase
II.

I still have WordPerfect on one of my computers.  Hate that I can hardly
use it.  Love Reveal Codes.  Can never understand what the heck Word is
doing with formatting.

I've worked on Tandys in college.  I also used Vector Graphics computers
- they were the hot new thing in one lab, with Apple IIEs in the other.
A PDP-11 (I think) was in the main lab.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on
topic for this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have
had a high 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was
"sticked" to our house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we
used to go outside to the side of the house where this antenna was
installed and we used to beat it strongly, and that "beating" usually
helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6 years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter
time (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and
there is a moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a
magnificent frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from
moonlight snow on the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV,
and TV signal got worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and
so we go outside and beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and
voila' we had got very good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial
further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black & white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV
programmers from all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become
as usual here as it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I
used to make TV signal better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :) ...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot
of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with
her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct  9 17:50:02 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 17:50:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
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LOL, so true, so true, the foreboding that the country was headed for 2
months of constant bombardment about the life and death of Anna Nicole
Smith...whose contribution to society was...erm...uh.....

I think it's time to start recruiting for the OT list, since William has
left, it's kind of slow over there!  I've actually been getting work
done...

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:01 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


I remember when the Mickey Mouse club was preempted for almost a WEEK
for the Eisenhower convention in '56. Dwight replacing Annette?! At age
5 I realized the country had its priorities backwards. I have seen
nothing since to convince me otherwise. :-)
Jim Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic
for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a
high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to
our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside
to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to
beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal
:) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there
is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow
on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside
and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got
very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers
from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual
here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV
signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  9 18:20:13 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:20:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <004501c80a8d$461e0c60$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <002d01c80a82$75746e10$0301a8c0@HAL9005><29f585dd0710090829q1bf3ecf2we8b9c0842b38ba64@mail.gmail.com>
	<004501c80a8d$461e0c60$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038E8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

512K??  Mine had only 64K and only 56 of that was usable!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

>My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M.

LOL.  My first PC I built from a kit.  It had 512K or ram and didn't
come with anything.  I ran CPM on it, and any software of interest that
I could download off of the bulletin boards that I dialed into using a
2400 baud modem.  Stored them on a dual drive 8 inch floppy (which cost
me $750) with a whopping 1 meg storage per floppy.  I was writing
programs in Turbo Pascal at that time (~1983).

My first "PC" pc was an Epson PCXT with DOS, and I purchased Dbase III
Plus, Word Perfect and Lotus 123.  That would have been ~1986 or so.  An
XT machine with a 10 meg disk and (gasp) FIVE MEGS of ram, most of which
was just used as a RAM disk since DOS did not directly support more than
about 640K at that time.  I knew I was "famous" when I got a call from a
person in New York (I was living in San Diego at that time) who had
downloaded one of my programs off of a bulletin board somewhere and
wanted me to make some mod or another.

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when
I tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back
in the mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I
learned WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my
life trying to learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even 
> bother clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download 
> your own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=
> 10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct  9 18:22:36 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 16:22:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <013701c80a9f$db5c5b80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
	<013701c80a9f$db5c5b80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038E9@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column
headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the
heading row.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo box default value

The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most
often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the
case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a
simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my
head -- someone's going to know it -- 

control.Data(0)

or something like that.

Susan H.


> Steve
>
> The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a 
> tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by 
> most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a 
> blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 18:41:10 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:41:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au><013701c80a9f$db5c5b80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
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Message-ID: <001b01c80ace$3f008ac0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

That's it -- thank you Charlotte. I knew one of you guys would know it 
without looking it up. :)

Susan H.


> The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column
> headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the
> heading row.
>
>
> The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most
> often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the
> case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a
> simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my
> head -- someone's going to know it -- 
>
> control.Data(0)
>
> or something like that.



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  9 19:17:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:17:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
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OMG, why did William leave.  I thought that was his home! 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 6:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

LOL, so true, so true, the foreboding that the country was headed for 2
months of constant bombardment about the life and death of Anna Nicole
Smith...whose contribution to society was...erm...uh.....

I think it's time to start recruiting for the OT list, since William has
left, it's kind of slow over there!  I've actually been getting work done...

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


I remember when the Mickey Mouse club was preempted for almost a WEEK for
the Eisenhower convention in '56. Dwight replacing Annette?! At age
5 I realized the country had its priorities backwards. I have seen nothing
since to convince me otherwise. :-) Jim Hale

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal
:) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957,
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see it...
 


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct  9 19:25:29 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 20:25:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
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>Mine had only 64K and only 56 of that was usable!

LOL.  The board directly supported 256 kbit ram chips.  But... if you
soldered a chip on top of the bottom chip, and bent the RAS pin up on that
top chip, you could solder just that pin down into another trace to add
another 256 Kbytes onto the board.  So of course I did that mod.  Having 512
kbytes was totally awesome at the time.  Most of the SBCs (single board
computers as they were known) were only 64K or perhaps 128K.  I had an 80186
(full 16 bit processor) running at 16 mhz, and this was ~1983.  In 1986 I
bought the Epson PCXT which used the 8088 (8 bit path to memory) running at
12 mhz.  It was actually SLOWER than the machine I built myself but it ran
DOS instead of CPM which was dying by then.  Plus it has a hard disk and
could use extended memory.

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

512K??  Mine had only 64K and only 56 of that was usable!

Charlotte Foust 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

>My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M.

LOL.  My first PC I built from a kit.  It had 512K or ram and didn't come
with anything.  I ran CPM on it, and any software of interest that I could
download off of the bulletin boards that I dialed into using a 2400 baud
modem.  Stored them on a dual drive 8 inch floppy (which cost me $750) with
a whopping 1 meg storage per floppy.  I was writing programs in Turbo Pascal
at that time (~1983).

My first "PC" pc was an Epson PCXT with DOS, and I purchased Dbase III Plus,
Word Perfect and Lotus 123.  That would have been ~1986 or so.  An XT
machine with a 10 meg disk and (gasp) FIVE MEGS of ram, most of which was
just used as a RAM disk since DOS did not directly support more than about
640K at that time.  I knew I was "famous" when I got a call from a person in
New York (I was living in San Diego at that time) who had downloaded one of
my programs off of a bulletin board somewhere and wanted me to make some mod
or another.

My wife harasses me to this day about deleting WP from her computer when I
tired of supporting (her using) it after I had switched to Word back in the
mid 90s.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

My first PC came with WordStar, VisiCalc and dBASE II, plus CP/M. I learned
WS in two days, VC in two days, and I've spent the rest of my life trying to
learn databases LOL.

A.

On 10/9/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> Worth a few minutes if you're old enough.  Under 30?  Don't even 
> bother clicking the link.
>
> Easter egg:  there's a link in there on one of the pages to download 
> your own copy of VisiCalc.
>
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179
> <
> http://tech.msn.com/products/slideshow.aspx?cp-documentid=5428179&GT1=
> 10438
> > &GT1=10438
>
> Rocky Smolin
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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Tue Oct  9 19:32:39 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:32:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
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Arthur

Thanks for your suggestion.  The query works fine. It lists all the 
choices from a selection made in another combo box but starts with 
the most popular. When I use the DLookup code it doesn't do anything. 
The combo dropdown shows all the options as it should but doesn't 
show anything in the text box until a choice is made.

David

At 01:26 AM 10/10/2007, you wrote:
>Oops. I clicked "Send" too quickly. In the Dlookup you refer to the named
>query not the table. In my case  the combo box's  default  value is:
>
>=DLookUp("CompanyID","CompanyCount_Desc_qs")
>
>(The _qs is my naming convention, denoting a query select. _qu is a query
>update, _qd is a delete, etc.)
>
>A.
>
>On 10/9/07, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You could count the actual entries in the table (not in the lookup table)
> > and select top 1 descending: Here's an example drawn from one of my apps.
> >
> > SELECT TOP 1 LightCurtainData_tbl.CompanyID, Count([CompanyID]) AS
> > Occurrences
> > FROM LightCurtainData_tbl
> > GROUP BY CompanyID
> > Order By Count([CompanyID]) DESC
> >
> > Edit to suit, save as a named query. Use Dlookup() to obtain the value.
> > Make the default value of the combo "=Dlookup("[CompanyID]",
> > "LightCurtainData_tbl") in this case. Substitute your own values for the
> > table and columns and you're away to the races. I just whipped up a sample
> > form to test it and it works as advertised.
> >
> > hth,
> > Arthur
> >
> > On 10/9/07, David and Joanne Gould <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> > > The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> > > tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> > > most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> > > blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> > > The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> > > - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.
> > >
> > > Hope this makes more sense.
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > >
> >
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From jengross at gte.net  Tue Oct  9 20:08:03 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:08:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
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All my clients use Word, so anything I want to send to them needs to be
in Word.  Neither Word nor WordPerfect has a good translator from one to
the other.  The only profession I know of that has a strong WordPerfect
following is the legal profession, but that too has dwindled.

I think there are recent versions of WordPerfect out there.  The latest
is one I have is 2000 and came with a computer I bought.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Just curious, why can you 'hardly use' Wordperfect?  Is it that you
don't get the chance to use it, or does it have a problem running in a
modern OS?

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 2:39 PM
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We use percussive maintenance quite a bit in the US as well.  I have one
computer that needs a good smack with the heel of my hand every once in
a while because the fan starts clattering and I can't stand the noise.
(I know I need to replace the fan before the whole thing overheats.) The
heel of the hand is great for eliminating many unwanted noises in
electrical equipment.

My first PC was the IBM pictured in the article.  At the time, with the
Epson dot matrix printer and a copy of Turbo Pascal, it was the largest
check I had ever written - over $3,000.  I still have the monitor - just
moved it from the garage to the attic - don't ask me why I've kept it.
It did not have a hard drive and I eventually put in a 10 meg drive and
an additional floppy drive.  There was so little RAM I can't remember
how little.  I used Turbo Pascal, VisiCalc, eventually Lotus 123, dBase
II.

I still have WordPerfect on one of my computers.  Hate that I can hardly
use it.  Love Reveal Codes.  Can never understand what the heck Word is
doing with formatting.

I've worked on Tandys in college.  I also used Vector Graphics computers
- they were the hot new thing in one lab, with Apple IIEs in the other.
A PDP-11 (I think) was in the main lab.

Jennifer

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Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
write next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on
topic for this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
father bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have
had a high 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was
"sticked" to our house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we
used to go outside to the side of the house where this antenna was
installed and we used to beat it strongly, and that "beating" usually
helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably
a 6 years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter
time (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and
there is a moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a
magnificent frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from
moonlight snow on the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV,
and TV signal got worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and
so we go outside and beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and
voila' we had got very good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial
further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own
black & white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV
programmers from all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX
technologies will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become
as usual here as it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I
used to make TV signal better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this
site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even
TV-signal :) ...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
last half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957, 
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
here by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
developed to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
it...
 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot
of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with
her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
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From dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au  Tue Oct  9 20:21:45 2007
From: dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au (David and Joanne Gould)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:21:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
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Thank you Charlotte and Susan

Sorry to take so long to reply. It just took me a long time to figure 
out where to put the code. For anyone who has been interested in the 
result of this - I put the following code in the after update event 
of the controlling combo box after requerying the target combo box.

TargetComboBox = TargetComboBox.ItemData(0)

Once again thanks for all your help with this.

David

At 09:22 AM 10/10/2007, you wrote:
>The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column
>headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the
>heading row.
>
>Charlotte Foust
>
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>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 11:11 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo box default value
>
>The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most
>often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the
>case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a
>simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my
>head -- someone's going to know it --
>
>control.Data(0)
>
>or something like that.
>
>Susan H.
>
>
> > Steve
> >
> > The combo box is based on a query that lists departure points for a
> > tour bus based on the postcode of the client. It lists the options by
> > most popular to least popular. At the moment it starts off with a
> > blank text box and I want it to show the most popular as a default.
> > The combo works fine as far as listing the options in the right order
> > - just leaves it blank until a choice is made.
>
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From krosenstiel at comcast.net  Tue Oct  9 21:47:42 2007
From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2007 19:47:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
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I must say that IS pretty impressive. Too bad all the windows on that nifty
carousel were boys' stuff.

I remember a crisp fall evening and I went out on the porch with my Dad. Up
and down our little cul de sac other folks were out on their porches and
driveways too. Dad pointed up and said, "There it is!"  It was Sputnik, just
little red jewel speeding by.

I am so glad I lived at the beginning of the Space era -- wish I could be
back in a couple of hundred years to see what's next. 


Regards,
 
Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi All,

Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will write
next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic for
this off-topic :) - pun intended :)

I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my father
bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a high
7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to our
house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside to
the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to beat
it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal :) 

I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably a 6
years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
(and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there is a
moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow on
the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside and
beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got very
good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further... 

...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
signal became much better...

... in a few years later we got colored TV...

...
...
...

... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own black &
white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers from
all around the World...

... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX technologies
will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual here as
it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV signal
better...

If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this site

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS SilverLight
here:

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx 

and then watch this page 

http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/ 

again... 

You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....

--
Shamil

P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even TV-signal :)
...

P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the last
half of a century:

- world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
1957,
- transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
- one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also here
by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...

All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
made MS SilverLight a reality of today...

Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting developed
to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do... 

And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see it...
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi John

You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot of
macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Tue Oct  9 23:17:22 2007
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:17:22 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box auto completing
In-Reply-To: <001901c80a3a$a19952a0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <001901c80a3a$a19952a0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <20071010041655.OVUJ18083.fep03.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Thanks Kath - that did the trick.

David

At 9/10/2007, you wrote:
>David - sorry for change in subject line. I deleted the prev email 
>and forgot what your original subject was.
>
>Just a thought - if autocorrect IS causing the problem, and you 
>don't want to turn off Autocorrect completely, then you could just 
>disable it for that one control, eg.
>Me.CboName.AllowAutoCorrect = False
>
>You wouldn't really want Autocorrect in it anyway, would you?
>
>hth
>Kath Pelletti
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 03:09:07 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:09:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
Message-ID: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 03:27:39 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:27:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
Message-ID: <s70ca934.053@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan and Charlotte

The generic solution to bypass the "unless" is to include the value of the ColumnHeads property:

    With cboYourCombobox
      .Value = .ItemData(Abs(.ColumnHeads))
    End With

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 10-10-2007 01:41 >>>
That's it -- thank you Charlotte. I knew one of you guys would know it 
without looking it up. :)

Susan H.


> The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column
> headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the
> heading row.
>
>
> The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the most
> often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's the
> case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- there's a
> simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the top of my
> head -- someone's going to know it -- 
>
> control.Data(0)
>
> or something like that.




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 06:33:01 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:33:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <200710100247.l9A2lU8t024318@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
	<200710100247.l9A2lU8t024318@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710100433p47b8f34avf92d11642fe0980@mail.gmail.com>

Predictions:

Everyone in Africa will die of AIDS without us doing a thing. Unfortunately
the few survivors will be running email scams out of Nigeria.

Virtual reality will displace tourism. Physical reality will be solely for
the rich. The rest of us will visit other countries virtually.

Google will offer a terabyte of space for gmail + google apps, per user.

An earthquake will finally saw off California, making Las Vegas even
wealthier since it will then offer an excellent view of the Pacific ocean.

JWC will be nominated for a Nobel, but narrowly lose to Hilary Clinton (or
was it Paris Hilton -- I keep confusing them).

A.

On 10/9/07, Karen Rosenstiel <krosenstiel at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I must say that IS pretty impressive. Too bad all the windows on that
> nifty
> carousel were boys' stuff.
>
> I remember a crisp fall evening and I went out on the porch with my Dad.
> Up
> and down our little cul de sac other folks were out on their porches and
> driveways too. Dad pointed up and said, "There it is!"  It was Sputnik,
> just
> little red jewel speeding by.
>
> I am so glad I lived at the beginning of the Space era -- wish I could be
> back in a couple of hundred years to see what's next.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Karen Rosenstiel
> Seattle WA USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> Hi All,
>
> Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will
> write
> next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm on topic
> for
> this off-topic :) - pun intended :)
>
> I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my
> father
> bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have had a high
> 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" to
> our
> house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go outside to
> the side of the house where this antenna was installed and we used to beat
> it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get better TV-signal :)
>
> I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm probably a
> 6
> years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter time
> (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and there is
> a
> moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a magnificent
> frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from moonlight snow on
> the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our TV, and TV signal got
> worsened on the most interesting event as usual - and so we go outside and
> beat our antenna strongly using heavy hammer - and voila' we had got very
> good TV signal and we can watch our TV serial further...
>
> ...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and TV
> signal became much better...
>
> ... in a few years later we got colored TV...
>
> ...
> ...
> ...
>
> ... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own black
> &
> white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV programmers
> from
> all around the World...
>
> ... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX technologies
> will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will become as usual here
> as
> it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a hammer I used to make TV
> signal
> better...
>
> If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this site
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
>
> without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS
> SilverLight
> here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx
>
> and then watch this page
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
>
> again...
>
> You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken Russian
> cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their spaceships -
> that was funny... I do not think it was like that in reality but I can't
> state that for sure - after all from my story above you can find that a
> hammer was a rather universal tool here to fix many things even TV-signal
> :)
> ...
>
> P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the
> last
> half of a century:
>
> - world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of October
> 1957,
> - transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell Labs,
> - one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also
> here
> by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...
>
> All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, which
> made MS SilverLight a reality of today...
>
> Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting
> developed
> to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do...
>
> And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is is
> becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I see
> it...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> Hi John
>
> You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories
> struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot of
> macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
> LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with her
> questions but she refused...  What was I to do?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
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>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 07:00:26 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:00:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <7.0.0.16.2.20071010102506.02411670@dgsolutions.net.au>
References: <7.0.0.16.2.20071009233807.023eea20@dgsolutions.net.au>
	<29f585dd0710090823k2665b06i9f5e97542472e895@mail.gmail.com>
	<29f585dd0710090826u79c1c212l497bdc36f0ae9611@mail.gmail.com>
	<7.0.0.16.2.20071010102506.02411670@dgsolutions.net.au>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710100500w51d4b469va22432c524119d42@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm. On my machine the most popular is pre-selected when I add a new
record. Of course, it wouldn't be nor shouldn't be when editing a record. I
checked this is A2K and A2K3. I don't have A2K7.

Arthur

On 10/9/07, David and Joanne Gould <dajomigo at dgsolutions.net.au> wrote:
>
> Arthur
>
> Thanks for your suggestion.  The query works fine. It lists all the
> choices from a selection made in another combo box but starts with
> the most popular. When I use the DLookup code it doesn't do anything.
> The combo dropdown shows all the options as it should but doesn't
> show anything in the text box until a choice is made.
>
> David
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 07:27:02 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:27:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008a01c80b38$dd391940$657aa8c0@M90>

Gustav,

I did that to get a free copy of the VS2005 and gave it away as a door prize
for the meeting at my house.   


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Oct 10 07:30:32 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:30:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <000c01c80b39$5a2c8e50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Gustav,

I am a Registered Partner with MS.  This doesn't cost me anything, but I do
occasionally get offers from MS that are useful - like attending Launch
events where they hand out a LOT of free software.

I have a VAGUE memory of finding out that as a registered partner with MS
that I can buy an Action Pack if I wanted to.  But since getting the
software free from the Launch events, I haven't pursued it.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 07:33:09 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:33:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710100433p47b8f34avf92d11642fe0980@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant><200710100247.l9A2lU8t024318@databaseadvisors.com>
	<29f585dd0710100433p47b8f34avf92d11642fe0980@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c80b39$b7c45d40$657aa8c0@M90>

>Google will offer a terabyte of space for gmail + google apps, per user.

Unfortunately it will not be enough by an order of magnitude. 

>JWC will be nominated for a Nobel

ROTFL.  JWC will instead receive an honorary doctorate degree from the
University of Advanced Computer Science (Purchased Degrees) in Nigeria
which, in order to receive the degree, he will only have to pay a $1297
paperwork processing fee, but will also have one million dollars deposited
into his account from the widow of the previous dictator if he will just....

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:33 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Predictions:

Everyone in Africa will die of AIDS without us doing a thing. Unfortunately
the few survivors will be running email scams out of Nigeria.

Virtual reality will displace tourism. Physical reality will be solely for
the rich. The rest of us will visit other countries virtually.

Google will offer a terabyte of space for gmail + google apps, per user.

An earthquake will finally saw off California, making Las Vegas even
wealthier since it will then offer an excellent view of the Pacific ocean.

JWC will be nominated for a Nobel, but narrowly lose to Hilary Clinton (or
was it Paris Hilton -- I keep confusing them).

A.

On 10/9/07, Karen Rosenstiel <krosenstiel at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I must say that IS pretty impressive. Too bad all the windows on that 
> nifty carousel were boys' stuff.
>
> I remember a crisp fall evening and I went out on the porch with my Dad.
> Up
> and down our little cul de sac other folks were out on their porches 
> and driveways too. Dad pointed up and said, "There it is!"  It was 
> Sputnik, just little red jewel speeding by.
>
> I am so glad I lived at the beginning of the Space era -- wish I could 
> be back in a couple of hundred years to see what's next.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Karen Rosenstiel
> Seattle WA USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> Hi All,
>
> Maybe it's a kind of Off-Topic for this Off-Topic thread, what I will 
> write next but in the end of this message it should be clear that I'm 
> on topic for this off-topic :) - pun intended :)
>
> I still remember the time I first time had watched a TV set, which my 
> father bought and that was a black & white screen TV set, and we have 
> had a high
> 7-8 antenna to receive TV signals - first this antenna was "sticked" 
> to our house and I remember that when TV signal was bad we used to go 
> outside to the side of the house where this antenna was installed and 
> we used to beat it strongly, and that "beating" usually helped to get 
> better TV-signal :)
>
> I also remember - I even clearly see the picture now, when I'm 
> probably a
> 6
> years old boy and I alone or with my mother go outside night winter 
> time (and this is Russian winter you know), and it's not that dark and 
> there is a moon and there are stars on the skies - all in all it is a 
> magnificent frosty Russian winter night with a lot of sparkling from 
> moonlight snow on the nearby trees etc. - and we have a movie on our 
> TV, and TV signal got worsened on the most interesting event as usual 
> - and so we go outside and beat our antenna strongly using heavy 
> hammer - and voila' we had got very good TV signal and we can watch 
> our TV serial further...
>
> ...soon we got our antenna installed very high on the nearby tree and 
> TV signal became much better...
>
> ... in a few years later we got colored TV...
>
> ...
> ...
> ...
>
> ... now the house where I have got my first impression from our own 
> black & white TV - that house has a satellite dish and I can get TV 
> programmers from all around the World...
>
> ... and I can also use mobile Internet and when 3G and WiMAX 
> technologies will soon become widespread then MS SilverLight will 
> become as usual here as it was the snow sparkling on moonlight and a 
> hammer I used to make TV signal better...
>
> If you do not have MS SilverLight yet installed then first watch this 
> site
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
>
> without SilverLight; then go and get downloaded and installed MS 
> SilverLight
> here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/downloads.aspx
>
> and then watch this page
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
>
> again...
>
> You'll get (very) impressed is my bet....
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S. Yes, I have seen HollyWood movies where slightly(?) drunken 
> Russian cosmonauts used to use hammer or similar tools to fix their 
> spaceships - that was funny... I do not think it was like that in 
> reality but I can't state that for sure - after all from my story 
> above you can find that a hammer was a rather universal tool here to 
> fix many things even TV-signal
> :)
> ...
>
> P.P.S. Yes, we on Earth have got incredible technology progress in the 
> last half of a century:
>
> - world first spaceship - Sputnik - was launched here on 7th of 
> October 1957,
> - transistors  were invented several years before at 1950 at Bell 
> Labs,
> - one of the main methids of laser beam pumping was found in 1955 also 
> here by Basov and Prokhorov based on works of Charles H. Townes...
>
> All that and many other foundation technologies were predesessors, 
> which made MS SilverLight a reality of today...
>
> Unfortunately, as far as I can see, social progress is not getting 
> developed to the better so rapidly worldwide as technologies do...
>
> And who knows what this "developing to the better social progress" is 
> is becoming more and more open question today - at least as far as I 
> see it...
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> Hi John
>
> You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back 
> memories struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 
> 5.x a lot of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
> LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with 
> her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Oct 10 07:35:23 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:35:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
 now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <021901c80b3a$07903880$8abea8c0@XPS>

Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 07:38:10 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:38:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <008b01c80b39$b7c45d40$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <000101c80aa8$5afc8060$6401a8c0@nant>
	<200710100247.l9A2lU8t024318@databaseadvisors.com>
	<29f585dd0710100433p47b8f34avf92d11642fe0980@mail.gmail.com>
	<008b01c80b39$b7c45d40$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710100538o7b456197o4a24f4bb466c7db@mail.gmail.com>

LOL.

On 10/10/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> >Google will offer a terabyte of space for gmail + google apps, per user.
>
> Unfortunately it will not be enough by an order of magnitude.
>
> >JWC will be nominated for a Nobel
>
> ROTFL.  JWC will instead receive an honorary doctorate degree from the
> University of Advanced Computer Science (Purchased Degrees) in Nigeria
> which, in order to receive the degree, he will only have to pay a $1297
> paperwork processing fee, but will also have one million dollars deposited
> into his account from the widow of the previous dictator if he will
> just....
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 07:42:19 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:42:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
Message-ID: <s70ce4d7.059@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Well, MS doesn't give that much away over here, mostly time-limited demos.

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 10-10-2007 14:30 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I am a Registered Partner with MS.  This doesn't cost me anything, but I do
occasionally get offers from MS that are useful - like attending Launch
events where they hand out a LOT of free software.

I have a VAGUE memory of finding out that as a registered partner with MS
that I can buy an Action Pack if I wanted to.  But since getting the
software free from the Launch events, I haven't pursued it.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 07:43:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:43:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>

Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely impressed
with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET 2.0 is a
programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the learning curve.  I
also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in fact my
experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in trying to do the
2.0 stuff.

I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 07:48:45 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:48:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ce4d7.059@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ce4d7.059@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008f01c80b3b$e58df180$657aa8c0@M90>

Well, MS doesn't give that much away over here, mostly time-limited demos.

That's because they are pissed at the EU for suing them for their
monopolistic ways.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:42 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Dan

Well, MS doesn't give that much away over here, mostly time-limited demos.

/gustav

>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 10-10-2007 14:30 >>>
Hi Gustav,

I am a Registered Partner with MS.  This doesn't cost me anything, but I do
occasionally get offers from MS that are useful - like attending Launch
events where they hand out a LOT of free software.

I have a VAGUE memory of finding out that as a registered partner with MS
that I can buy an Action Pack if I wanted to.  But since getting the
software free from the Launch events, I haven't pursued it.

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 07:50:01 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:50:01 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
Message-ID: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack 
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Oct 10 08:04:14 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:04:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003001c80b3e$1023aaf0$0202a8c0@Laptop>

I must say that it was the examples on the ColbyConsulting website that
propelled me into serious Access development in 1998 and steered me
over to Shamil's site where I learned WithEvents classes in Access in 1999.

Keep riding the wave, John & Shamil.

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely impressed
> with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET 2.0 is a
> programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the learning curve. 
> I
> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in fact 
> my
> experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in trying to do the
> 2.0 stuff.
>
> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 08:17:27 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 14:17:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <009501c80b3f$e86e3140$8119fea9@LTVM>

What sort of questions do they ask?
Is it Access related or anything to do with MS Office?
Ta
MAx
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 08:29:21 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:29:21 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition	toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
Message-ID: <s70cefe6.064@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Not very likely, but study the list at the link.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 10-10-2007 15:17 >>>
What sort of questions do they ask?
Is it Access related or anything to do with MS Office?
Ta
MAx
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:50 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack 
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196 

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 09:01:35 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:01:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <009701c80b46$125efb50$657aa8c0@M90>

Well, I just renewed to avoid that hassle for another year. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:50 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 09:07:57 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:07:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <009701c80b46$125efb50$657aa8c0@M90>
References: <s70ce6bb.060@cactus.dk> <009701c80b46$125efb50$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710100707w5859b03fy263ee72cdf2e29f9@mail.gmail.com>

Me too.

GK

On 10/10/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Well, I just renewed to avoid that hassle for another year.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:50 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
> Solution Providers
>
> Hi Jim
>
> That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack
> https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196
>
> Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...
>
> /gustav
>
> >>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
> Gustav,
>
>  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
> certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
> shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
> subscription.
>
>  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
> Solution Providers
>
> Hi all
>
> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
> lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
> deal.
>
> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
> Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
> Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
> now that VS2008 is close.
>
> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
> interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
> limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
> Web Solution Providers:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>
> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>
> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>
>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
>  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>
> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
> spending some of your valuable time!
>
> /gustav
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 09:11:20 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:11:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <007001c80ad2$e94ee1d0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F11@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

OMG, why did William leave.  I thought that was his home! 


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 09:13:33 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:13:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <004201c80ada$05bcb2a0$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F13@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ah, I see.  Just curious.  I have older programs (mostly games) that I
find play better in Virtual PC, then in a 'dos window'.

My favorite word processor was SPFPC.  It is DOS edit on steroids.  Used
to be an internal IBM only application, but in it's final versions
someone decided to release it. (my dad worked for IBM when I was growing
up)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

All my clients use Word, so anything I want to send to them needs to be
in Word.  Neither Word nor WordPerfect has a good translator from one to
the other.  The only profession I know of that has a strong WordPerfect
following is the legal profession, but that too has dwindled.

I think there are recent versions of WordPerfect out there.  The latest
is one I have is 2000 and came with a computer I bought.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Just curious, why can you 'hardly use' Wordperfect?  Is it that you
don't get the chance to use it, or does it have a problem running in a
modern OS?

Drew


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 09:17:45 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:17:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F11@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00ae01c80b48$550c27f0$8119fea9@LTVM>

If you are talking about William Hindman, he posted last month (or possibly
the month before)

Max 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

OMG, why did William leave.  I thought that was his home! 


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 10 09:22:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:22:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

My company just qualified as a full Microsoft Partner, so I imagine
we'll get those goodies anyhow.  It was kind of funny, because we
suddenly got a shipment of boxes of various sizes, so it looked like we
were getting a bunch of goodies.  When opened, the packages included a
Microsoft Partner banner (we haven't figured out what to do with that
item), a couple of fancy stand up plaques proclaiming us 2007 partners,
and logos, stickers, etc.  One of our developers wondered if they issued
badges as well, like law enforcement.  You show up at a client and flash
you MP (Microsoft Partner) badge and they stop doing stupid stuff with
your application!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus"
as the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status
will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that
anyway). No big deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is
bad now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be
of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt
the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition
toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay
by spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 10 09:23:39 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 07:23:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
In-Reply-To: <s70ca934.053@cactus.dk>
References: <s70ca934.053@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F2@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

True, and I've used that myself, but it is kind of overkill if the
developer is building one-off code.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo box default value

Hi Susan and Charlotte

The generic solution to bypass the "unless" is to include the value of
the ColumnHeads property:

    With cboYourCombobox
      .Value = .ItemData(Abs(.ColumnHeads))
    End With

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 10-10-2007 01:41 >>>
That's it -- thank you Charlotte. I knew one of you guys would know it
without looking it up. :)

Susan H.


> The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column 
> headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the 
> heading row.
>
>
> The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the 
> most often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's

> the case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- 
> there's a simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the 
> top of my head -- someone's going to know it --
>
> control.Data(0)
>
> or something like that.


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 09:38:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:38:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Combo box default value
Message-ID: <s70cfffc.065@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

I see your point and I myself very seldom use column heads.

A side note: If replacing 0 with Abs(.ColumnHeads) is overkill what is the wording for inserting one code line? Massive overkill!?

/gustav

>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 10-10-2007 16:23 >>>
True, and I've used that myself, but it is kind of overkill if the
developer is building one-off code.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combo box default value

Hi Susan and Charlotte

The generic solution to bypass the "unless" is to include the value of
the ColumnHeads property:

    With cboYourCombobox
      .Value = .ItemData(Abs(.ColumnHeads))
    End With

/gustav

>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 10-10-2007 01:41 >>>
That's it -- thank you Charlotte. I knew one of you guys would know it
without looking it up. :)

Susan H.


> The simple express is ItemData(0) unless you have turned on column 
> headings in the dropdown and then it's ItemData(1), since zero is the 
> heading row.
>
>
> The query sorts by most often chosen? That's interesting -- so the 
> most often chosen should be the top item in the combo right? If that's

> the case, you simply set the default value to the first item -- 
> there's a simple expression for doing so that I can't recall off the 
> top of my head -- someone's going to know it --
>
> control.Data(0)
>
> or something like that.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 10 09:42:48 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:42:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.  I need one of those badges. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:22 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

My company just qualified as a full Microsoft Partner, so I imagine we'll
get those goodies anyhow.  It was kind of funny, because we suddenly got a
shipment of boxes of various sizes, so it looked like we were getting a
bunch of goodies.  When opened, the packages included a Microsoft Partner
banner (we haven't figured out what to do with that item), a couple of fancy
stand up plaques proclaiming us 2007 partners, and logos, stickers, etc.
One of our developers wondered if they issued badges as well, like law
enforcement.  You show up at a client and flash you MP (Microsoft Partner)
badge and they stop doing stupid stuff with your application!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus"
as the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will
be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 09:46:10 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:46:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c80b48$550c27f0$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F1B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Here....not on OT.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

If you are talking about William Hindman, he posted last month (or
possibly
the month before)

Max 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

OMG, why did William leave.  I thought that was his home! 


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 09:47:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:47:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <00c501c80b4d$abaf0320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Charlotte, were you involved in the process of acquiring partnership? I'd 
like to hear what the process is like and in the end, just what does that 
badge of honor net for you and your company besides some free gifts?

Susan H.

> My company just qualified as a full Microsoft Partner, so I imagine we'll
> get those goodies anyhow.  It was kind of funny, because we suddenly got a
> shipment of boxes of various sizes, so it looked like we were getting a
> bunch of goodies.  When opened, the packages included a Microsoft Partner
> banner (we haven't figured out what to do with that item), a couple of 
> fancy
> stand up plaques proclaiming us 2007 partners, and logos, stickers, etc.
> One of our developers wondered if they issued badges as well, like law
> enforcement.  You show up at a client and flash you MP (Microsoft Partner)
> badge and they stop doing stupid stuff with your application!  LOL



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 10 10:05:45 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 08:05:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <00c501c80b4d$abaf0320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90>
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Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

We had to produce a commercial product using Microsoft software and have
it examined and passed by a company (which turned out to be in China,
BTW) contracting with Microsoft.  I believe one of our developers had to
be certified, but I think he already was, so that wasn't an issue.
Hmmn, of course there are those who say that ALL developers are
certifiable .... LOL

There's a time limit on meeting the requirements, but I don't recall
what it was, a year or two.  I was involved only as a developer helping
create the application.  We can now market ourselves as a Microsoft
Partner, put their logo on our website and materials, ... and I have
managed to forget any other benes.  We get all the Microsoft software
for our company's use, operating systems, server products, Office, the
works.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers

Charlotte, were you involved in the process of acquiring partnership?
I'd like to hear what the process is like and in the end, just what does
that badge of honor net for you and your company besides some free
gifts?

Susan H.

> My company just qualified as a full Microsoft Partner, so I imagine 
> we'll get those goodies anyhow.  It was kind of funny, because we 
> suddenly got a shipment of boxes of various sizes, so it looked like 
> we were getting a bunch of goodies.  When opened, the packages 
> included a Microsoft Partner banner (we haven't figured out what to do

> with that item), a couple of fancy stand up plaques proclaiming us 
> 2007 partners, and logos, stickers, etc.
> One of our developers wondered if they issued badges as well, like law

> enforcement.  You show up at a client and flash you MP (Microsoft 
> Partner) badge and they stop doing stupid stuff with your application!

> LOL

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 10:19:35 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:19:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F1B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <00ae01c80b48$550c27f0$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F1B@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710100819w13d29472kd9e8ae5cd033159e@mail.gmail.com>

Actually I see posts from him to OT in March of this year. I think he
got busy with work and with hurricane preperation.

Half a year.

GK

On 10/10/07, Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Here....not on OT.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> If you are talking about William Hindman, he posted last month (or
> possibly
> the month before)
>
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.
>
> Drew
>

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 10:23:28 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:23:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950710100819w13d29472kd9e8ae5cd033159e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F36@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Your right, I wonder if his ear are tingling.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:20 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Actually I see posts from him to OT in March of this year. I think he
got busy with work and with hurricane preperation.

Half a year.

GK

On 10/10/07, Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:
> Here....not on OT.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> If you are talking about William Hindman, he posted last month (or
> possibly
> the month before)
>
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 3:11 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>
> He hasn't posted in probably close to a year.
>
> Drew
>

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 10:24:56 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:24:56 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <s70d0b05.066@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Never heard of SPFPC, only pfs:Write and a more pro app (PC4 or Write 4??). But it reminds me of Borland Sprint. Anyone remembers that? Probably the last DOS word processor with the unique feature that it recorded each and every keystroke you made. Thus, while typing or editing, you could pull the plug. Then, when you had rebooted and launched Sprint a black screen appeared with the text like this (cannot recall the exact wording):

  Work in progress
  Resuming ..

and in half a minute or so you were back where you left!
Also, the macro language was much better; I remember one describing Sprint as "one big macro".

It arrived too late. I moved on to Am? Pro from Samna, a true Windows application later bought by Lotus and now renamed Lotus WordPro. Still the best word processor around.

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 10-10-2007 16:13 >>>
Ah, I see.  Just curious.  I have older programs (mostly games) that I
find play better in Virtual PC, then in a 'dos window'.

My favorite word processor was SPFPC.  It is DOS edit on steroids.  Used
to be an internal IBM only application, but in it's final versions
someone decided to release it. (my dad worked for IBM when I was growing
up)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:08 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

All my clients use Word, so anything I want to send to them needs to be
in Word.  Neither Word nor WordPerfect has a good translator from one to
the other.  The only profession I know of that has a strong WordPerfect
following is the legal profession, but that too has dwindled.

I think there are recent versions of WordPerfect out there.  The latest
is one I have is 2000 and came with a computer I bought.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 3:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs


Just curious, why can you 'hardly use' Wordperfect?  Is it that you
don't get the chance to use it, or does it have a problem running in a
modern OS?

Drew




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 10:43:44 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:43:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <s70d0b05.066@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F44@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Here's a link to the commercial one that was released to the public:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPFPC

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi Drew

Never heard of SPFPC, only pfs:Write and a more pro app (PC4 or Write 4??). But it reminds me of Borland Sprint. Anyone remembers that? Probably the last DOS word processor with the unique feature that it recorded each and every keystroke you made. Thus, while typing or editing, you could pull the plug. Then, when you had rebooted and launched Sprint a black screen appeared with the text like this (cannot recall the exact wording):

  Work in progress
  Resuming ..

and in half a minute or so you were back where you left!
Also, the macro language was much better; I remember one describing Sprint as "one big macro".

It arrived too late. I moved on to Am? Pro from Samna, a true Windows application later bought by Lotus and now renamed Lotus WordPro. Still the best word processor around.

/gustav


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 10 10:54:04 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:54:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
Message-ID: <s70d11d2.069@cactus.dk>

Hi Drew

Thanks. But it seems more like an editor than a word processor, so I guess mostly programmers know about it.

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 10-10-2007 17:43 >>>
Here's a link to the commercial one that was released to the public:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPFPC 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi Drew

Never heard of SPFPC, only pfs:Write and a more pro app (PC4 or Write 4??). But it reminds me of Borland Sprint. Anyone remembers that? Probably the last DOS word processor with the unique feature that it recorded each and every keystroke you made. Thus, while typing or editing, you could pull the plug. Then, when you had rebooted and launched Sprint a black screen appeared with the text like this (cannot recall the exact wording):

  Work in progress
  Resuming ..

and in half a minute or so you were back where you left!
Also, the macro language was much better; I remember one describing Sprint as "one big macro".

It arrived too late. I moved on to Am? Pro from Samna, a true Windows application later bought by Lotus and now renamed Lotus WordPro. Still the best word processor around.

/gustav





From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 10 11:01:57 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 11:01:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <s70d11d2.069@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A29F54@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Ya, it was more of an editor, but it had some word processing features too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:54 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi Drew

Thanks. But it seems more like an editor than a word processor, so I guess mostly programmers know about it.

/gustav

>>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 10-10-2007 17:43 >>>
Here's a link to the commercial one that was released to the public:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPFPC 

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:25 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

Hi Drew

Never heard of SPFPC, only pfs:Write and a more pro app (PC4 or Write 4??). But it reminds me of Borland Sprint. Anyone remembers that? Probably the last DOS word processor with the unique feature that it recorded each and every keystroke you made. Thus, while typing or editing, you could pull the plug. Then, when you had rebooted and launched Sprint a black screen appeared with the text like this (cannot recall the exact wording):

  Work in progress
  Resuming ..

and in half a minute or so you were back where you left!
Also, the macro language was much better; I remember one describing Sprint as "one big macro".

It arrived too late. I moved on to Am? Pro from Samna, a true Windows application later bought by Lotus and now renamed Lotus WordPro. Still the best word processor around.

/gustav



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 10 11:24:05 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 09:24:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <200710091904.l99J42q3003686@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1191949202.3778.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710091904.l99J42q3003686@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001301c80b59$fa2ff160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

TRS-DOS (raising hand).  Wrote some lead tracking software for my wife who
started a business doing lead fulfillment for local companies.   Great days.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L. Stewart
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:00 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs

So did any of you guys use Condor 3 or DataPerfect?

Tandy 1000 MS-DOS?

Tandy 4p CP/M, TRS-DOS, etc.?


At 12:00 PM 10/9/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2007 18:55:10 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70bceb2.041 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi John
>
>You could have written her a macro or two. Oh boy, brings back memories 
>struggling with the curly brackets. I wrote about 1990 in WP 5.x a lot 
>of macros for clients - it was dark ages compared to now.
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 09-10-2007 18:45 >>>
>LOL.  There was no future in WP.  I kept telling her to email you with 
>her questions but she refused...  What was I to do?


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 10 12:52:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 13:52:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90><00c501c80b4d$abaf0320$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005401c80b66$6aca9450$4b3a8343@SusanOne>


> We had to produce a commercial product using Microsoft software and have
> it examined and passed by a company (which turned out to be in China,
> BTW) contracting with Microsoft.  I believe one of our developers had to
> be certified, but I think he already was, so that wasn't an issue.

=========Did MS assign the company or do you guys just pick one -- I know 
that getting products certified is a cottage industry -- perhaps partnership 
is too or is considered part of the same process?
>
> There's a time limit on meeting the requirements, but I don't recall
> what it was, a year or two.  I was involved only as a developer helping
> create the application.  We can now market ourselves as a Microsoft
> Partner, put their logo on our website and materials, ... and I have
> managed to forget any other benes.  We get all the Microsoft software
> for our company's use, operating systems, server products, Office, the
> works.

=========A client is researching this process, so I'd be glad to learn more 
about it.

Susan H. 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 10 12:57:01 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:57:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <005401c80b66$6aca9450$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><009f01c80b4b$d506e230$657aa8c0@M90><00c501c80b4d$abaf0320$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038F5@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7038FD@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Nope, we had no idea who was certifying it.  It was only when Microsoft
told us we'd passed that we found out who had examined it.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 10:53 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers


> We had to produce a commercial product using Microsoft software and 
> have it examined and passed by a company (which turned out to be in 
> China,
> BTW) contracting with Microsoft.  I believe one of our developers had 
> to be certified, but I think he already was, so that wasn't an issue.

=========Did MS assign the company or do you guys just pick one -- I
know that getting products certified is a cottage industry -- perhaps
partnership is too or is considered part of the same process?
>
> There's a time limit on meeting the requirements, but I don't recall 
> what it was, a year or two.  I was involved only as a developer 
> helping create the application.  We can now market ourselves as a 
> Microsoft Partner, put their logo on our website and materials, ... 
> and I have managed to forget any other benes.  We get all the 
> Microsoft software for our company's use, operating systems, server 
> products, Office, the works.

=========A client is researching this process, so I'd be glad to learn
more about it.

Susan H. 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Oct 11 04:08:36 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:08:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers (update)
Message-ID: <s70e044a.078@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It appears that taking a course to obtain the Web Solution toolkit also fulfills the requirement for the Action Pack:

https://partner.microsoft.com/40047166

Note: If you successfully complete one of the 
Web Solutions assessments, you'll also meet the 
assessment requirement to receive the full Action Pack Subscription.

Now, the intro course listed here:

https://training.partner.microsoft.com/plc/search_adv.aspx?ssid=13188e70-a871-4e14-83c6-24ebf503360b

  Microsoft Expression Quick Start: Creating a Standards-Based Website

https://training.partner.microsoft.com/plc/details.aspx?systemid=1715370&page=/plc/search_adv.aspx

is quite easy. Should you miss the 70% score, go to My Training, cancel the course and take it again.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 10-10-2007 14:50 >>>
Hi Jim

That's right, but only every second year, and it is an on-line course:

https://partner.microsoft.com/actionpack 
https://partner.microsoft.com/40044196 

Some of these my colleague can do with closed eyes ...

/gustav

>>> jimdettman at verizon.net 10-10-2007 14:35 >>>
Gustav,

  I hate the Microsoft exam circus as well and in fact gave up on the SBS
certification because of it.  But got bad news for you; the Action Pack will
shortly require passing a Microsoft exam in order to continue to receive the
subscription.

  They want to get rid of the deadwood<g>.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack, now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi all

We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" as
the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will be
lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
deal. 

However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
now that VS2008 is close.

But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be of
interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
Web Solution Providers:

https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit 

It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.

One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:

  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the 
  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..

These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay by
spending some of your valuable time!

/gustav




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Thu Oct 11 21:08:55 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 22:08:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access to 
.Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)

...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few 
...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)

William

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From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely impressed
> with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET 2.0 is a
> programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the learning curve. 
> I
> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in fact 
> my
> experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in trying to do the
> 2.0 stuff.
>
> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
> Solution Providers
>
> Hi all
>
> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" 
> as
> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status will 
> be
> lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that anyway). No big
> deal.
>
> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with the
> Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered Visual
> Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS which is bad
> now that VS2008 is close.
>
> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could be 
> of
> interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have felt the
> limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition toolkit" for
> Web Solution Providers:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>
> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>
> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>
>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
>  associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>
> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to pay 
> by
> spending some of your valuable time!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 11 22:18:58 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 23:18:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
	<003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90>

Well William, good to hear from you.  There are a few of us hanging out on
the AccessD VB group. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access to
.Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)

...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few
...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers


> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely 
> impressed with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET 
> 2.0 is a programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the learning
curve.
> I
> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in 
> fact my experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in 
> trying to do the 2.0 stuff.
>
> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav 
> Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web Solution Providers
>
> Hi all
>
> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus" 
> as
> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status 
> will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that 
> anyway). No big deal.
>
> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with 
> the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered 
> Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS 
> which is bad now that VS2008 is close.
>
> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could 
> be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have 
> felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition 
> toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:
>
> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>
> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>
> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>
>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the  
> associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>
> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to 
> pay by spending some of your valuable time!
>
> /gustav
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


--
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 00:15:37 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 01:15:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk>
	<008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> Well William, good to hear from you.  There are a few of us hanging out on
> the AccessD VB group.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
> ...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access to
> .Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)
>
> ...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few
> ...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
>
>> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely
>> impressed with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET
>> 2.0 is a programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the 
>> learning
> curve.
>> I
>> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in
>> fact my experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in
>> trying to do the 2.0 stuff.
>>
>> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
>> Brock
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
>> Web Solution Providers
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus"
>> as
>> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status
>> will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that
>> anyway). No big deal.
>>
>> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with
>> the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered
>> Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS
>> which is bad now that VS2008 is close.
>>
>> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could
>> be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have
>> felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition
>> toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:
>>
>> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>>
>> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
>> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>>
>> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>>
>>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
>> associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>>
>> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to
>> pay by spending some of your valuable time!
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 




From darren at activebilling.com.au  Fri Oct 12 01:06:09 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:06:09 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ADProject: Getting Database Name
Message-ID: <200710120606.l9C664rG004981@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

Cross posted to AccessD and dba_SQL Server

 

I want to get the Server name (Data Source) from code - I can get the dB name

 

Now I want just the server name as well - Not all the other stuff that comes
with the .Connection property

 

Can anyone assist?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Darren



From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 01:44:32 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:44:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
	<003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710112344n7627a0f9gb8cac6c113c2496@mail.gmail.com>

...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
>
> > Well William, good to hear from you.  There are a few of us hanging out
> on
> > the AccessD VB group.
> >
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > Colby Consulting
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> > Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:09 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> > Web
> > Solution Providers
> >
> > ...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access
> to
> > .Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)
> >
> > ...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few
> > ...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)
> >
> > William
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> > Web
> > Solution Providers
> >
> >
> >> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely
> >> impressed with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET
> >> 2.0 is a programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the
> >> learning
> > curve.
> >> I
> >> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in
> >> fact my experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in
> >> trying to do the 2.0 stuff.
> >>
> >> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
> >>
> >> John W. Colby
> >> Colby Consulting
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
> >> Brock
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
> >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> >> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> >> Web Solution Providers
> >>
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam
> circus"
> >> as
> >> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status
> >> will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that
> >> anyway). No big deal.
> >>
> >> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with
> >> the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered
> >> Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS
> >> which is bad now that VS2008 is close.
> >>
> >> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could
> >> be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have
> >> felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition
> >> toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:
> >>
> >> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
> >>
> >> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression
> Studio.
> >> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
> >>
> >> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
> >>
> >>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
> >> associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
> >>
> >> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to
> >> pay by spending some of your valuable time!
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 12 05:23:32 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:23:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers
Message-ID: <s70f675f.003@cactus.dk>

Hi Anita

Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?

/gustav

>>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 12 05:27:48 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:27:48 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] ADProject: Getting Database Name
Message-ID: <s70f6850.004@cactus.dk>

Hi Darren

Would it be something like this:

strConnect = "DATABASE=something;SERVER=192.168.1.100;PASSWORD=;PORT=3306;OPTION=3;STMT=;"
strKey = "SERVER="
strSearch = Mid(strConnect, InStr(1, strConnect, strKey, vbTextCompare) + Len(strKey))
strServer = Mid(strSearch, 1, InStr(1, strSearch, ";") - 1)

/gustav

>>> darren at activebilling.com.au 12-10-2007 08:06 >>>
Hi All

 

Cross posted to AccessD and dba_SQL Server

 

I want to get the Server name (Data Source) from code - I can get the dB name

 

Now I want just the server name as well - Not all the other stuff that comes
with the .Connection property

 

Can anyone assist?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Darren




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 06:57:14 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:57:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk> <008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90>
	<003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710120457x269ebf26udf564c75b91b14ed@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:

> ...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a few
> ...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)

Glutton for punishment? :)

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 12 07:06:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:06:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90>

I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there.  Please
at least be there to help us achieve critical mass. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:16 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers


> Well William, good to hear from you.  There are a few of us hanging 
> out on the AccessD VB group.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William 
> Hindman
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 10:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit 
> for Web Solution Providers
>
> ...I too have shifted my development environment from primarily Access 
> to .Net ...and if you like 2 you're going to love 3.5 :)
>
> ...if only there was an AccessD equivalent for .Net ...tried quite a 
> few ...keep coming back here for some damn reason :)
>
> William
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit 
> for Web Solution Providers
>
>
>> Having started using VS2005 (in 2007) I must say I am extremely
>> impressed with the functionality of VB.Net and Visual Studio.  .NET
>> 2.0 is a programmers dream, assuming you are willing to climb the 
>> learning
> curve.
>> I
>> also have to say I was not nearly as impressed with .Net 1.0 and in
>> fact my experience with that was one reason I delayed so long in
>> trying to do the 2.0 stuff.
>>
>> I am nowhere near proficient with 2.0 but I like it a lot.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
>> Brock
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 4:09 AM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
>> Web Solution Providers
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> We (my employer and I) don't want to spend money on the "MS exam circus"
>> as
>> the ROI is zero. Thus, our official Small Business Specialist status
>> will be lost (and our clients don't care as they hardly knew that
>> anyway). No big deal.
>>
>> However, that status have the additional benefit that combined with
>> the Action Pack Subscription (where the ROI is huge) you are offered
>> Visual Studio Standard 2005 for free. So no SB partner => no free VS
>> which is bad now that VS2008 is close.
>>
>> But a new free add-on to the Action Pack is now announced which could
>> be of interest for those of you not having Visual Studio yet or have
>> felt the limitations of the free Express editions, a "special edition
>> toolkit" for Web Solution Providers:
>>
>> https://partner.microsoft.com/webresourcekit
>>
>> It includes Microsoft Visual Studio Standard 2008 and Expression Studio.
>> The estimated ship date for the kit is January 2008.
>>
>> One of the steps to obtain the kit is to:
>>
>>  Successfully complete one of three free online courses and the
>> associated assessment with a score of 70 percent or higher ..
>>
>> These seems to have a duration from 0,5 to 1,5 hours, so you have to
>> pay by spending some of your valuable time!
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 


-- 
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 12 07:07:18 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 08:07:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70f675f.003@cactus.dk>
References: <s70f675f.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <002201c80cc8$6fce1b30$657aa8c0@M90>

I would love to have that happen. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Hi Anita

Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?

/gustav

>>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 08:04:00 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:04:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
	<002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Well, I'll bite -- can you guys hold my hand through the process. I really 
do NOT want to learn another new technology, but at this point, can't hurt 
anything to try. I mean, I'm so dense on the subject that I don't know where 
to start. I do believe that I have .net because I have SQL Server 2005 
Express and it required .net, but beyond that -- no clue what to do with it.

Susan H.


>I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there. 
>Please
> at least be there to help us achieve critical mass.



From pharold at proftesting.com  Fri Oct 12 08:06:30 2007
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:06:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers
References: <s70f675f.003@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B02DFEF@exchange.ptiorl.local>

Everyone hasn't switched to dot net. 


Perry Harold
Professional Testing Inc


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers

Hi Anita

Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?

/gustav

>>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 12 08:22:37 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:22:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90>
	<005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <003401c80cd2$f7cea680$657aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  I hear you Susan.  As for "I must have...", nope, not true.  SQL
Server 2005 uses the .net framework but the programming language and
environment layers are not embedded in SQL Server.

You can get VB.Net Express for free from a download on MS site.

http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa718406.aspx

That is a programming environment that mimics Visual Studio.Net.  In fact is
it so close in look and feel that it may be a subset.  There are some subtle
programming differences that prevent VB.Net Express programs from being
easily portable to the full on version, but the express version will allow
you to get your feet wet for free, and in fact it allows you to write full
on VB.Net programs for free.  Highly recommended for the people who do not
intend to develop industrial grade applications in .Net but would like to
see / learn the VB.Net syntax and even write programs in it.  It is simpler
than the Visual Studio environment but will still be a learning curve.

OTOH it has been easy for developers to get free STANDARD versions of Visual
Studio.Net.  I got one by attending a product event back when SQL Server
2005 was being introduced.  I also got one for watching a pair of videos on
the MS site.  I think the same kind of thing is happening now for the VS2008
version and I will be doing that when I discover how.

Move your questions over to the VB list and you can get a lot of help there.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

Well, I'll bite -- can you guys hold my hand through the process. I really
do NOT want to learn another new technology, but at this point, can't hurt
anything to try. I mean, I'm so dense on the subject that I don't know where
to start. I do believe that I have .net because I have SQL Server 2005
Express and it required .net, but beyond that -- no clue what to do with it.

Susan H.


>I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there. 
>Please
> at least be there to help us achieve critical mass.

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 12 08:22:07 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:22:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit	for Web Solution Providers
Message-ID: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Perry

You mean (it's Friday):
Everyone hasn't switched to dot yet?

I didn't mean to exclude someone. But traffic on that list is really low, and I'm sure there would still be room for VB6 postings.

/gustav

>>> pharold at proftesting.com 12-10-2007 15:06 >>>
Everyone hasn't switched to dot net. 


Perry Harold
Professional Testing Inc


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:24 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers

Hi Anita

Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?

/gustav

>>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.

Anita


On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
>
> William





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 08:31:37 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:31:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90><005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<003401c80cd2$f7cea680$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <008f01c80cd4$43cfc8b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>




> LOL.  I hear you Susan.  As for "I must have...", nope, not true.  SQL
> Server 2005 uses the .net framework but the programming language and
> environment layers are not embedded in SQL Server.

========So Express will run without it? It wouldn't with the beta and that 
I'm sure of -- ask me how I know. :)
>
> You can get VB.Net Express for free from a download on MS site.
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa718406.aspx
>
> That is a programming environment that mimics Visual Studio.Net.  In fact 
> is
> it so close in look and feel that it may be a subset.  There are some 
> subtle
> programming differences that prevent VB.Net Express programs from being
> easily portable to the full on version, but the express version will allow
> you to get your feet wet for free, and in fact it allows you to write full
> on VB.Net programs for free.  Highly recommended for the people who do not
> intend to develop industrial grade applications in .Net but would like to
> see / learn the VB.Net syntax and even write programs in it.  It is 
> simpler
> than the Visual Studio environment but will still be a learning curve.

=========Sounds like a good place to start, thanks. I'll download it this 
morning and join the VB list -- can't promise I'll actually do anything. ;) 
I do have VB Express, in fact, I think I may have the entire Express studio, 
but I can't recall. I'd have to get in the <dread, despair, deep fear> 
closet...

>
> OTOH it has been easy for developers to get free STANDARD versions of 
> Visual
> Studio.Net.  I got one by attending a product event back when SQL Server
> 2005 was being introduced.  I also got one for watching a pair of videos 
> on
> the MS site.  I think the same kind of thing is happening now for the 
> VS2008
> version and I will be doing that when I discover how.

==========Well, that's good. If someone runs into one of these free offers, 
please post a link for the rest of us, just in case.
>
> Move your questions over to the VB list and you can get a lot of help 
> there.

==========I will. Thanks.

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 08:33:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:33:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90><005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<003401c80cd2$f7cea680$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <009401c80cd4$9e5611e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

OK, here's a question -- are VB Express and VB.NET express the same thing?

Susan H.


> LOL.  I hear you Susan.  As for "I must have...", nope, not true.  SQL
> Server 2005 uses the .net framework but the programming language and
> environment layers are not embedded in SQL Server.
>
> You can get VB.Net Express for free from a download on MS site.
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa718406.aspx
>
> That is a programming environment that mimics Visual Studio.Net.  In fact 
> is
> it so close in look and feel that it may be a subset.  There are some 
> subtle
> programming differences that prevent VB.Net Express programs from being
> easily portable to the full on version, but the express version will allow
> you to get your feet wet for free, and in fact it allows you to write full
> on VB.Net programs for free.  Highly recommended for the people who do not
> intend to develop industrial grade applications in .Net but would like to
> see / learn the VB.Net syntax and even write programs in it.  It is 
> simpler
> than the Visual Studio environment but will still be a learning curve.
>
> OTOH it has been easy for developers to get free STANDARD versions of 
> Visual
> Studio.Net.  I got one by attending a product event back when SQL Server
> 2005 was being introduced.  I also got one for watching a pair of videos 
> on
> the MS site.  I think the same kind of thing is happening now for the 
> VS2008
> version and I will be doing that when I discover how.
>
> Move your questions over to the VB list and you can get a lot of help 
> there.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
> Well, I'll bite -- can you guys hold my hand through the process. I really
> do NOT want to learn another new technology, but at this point, can't hurt
> anything to try. I mean, I'm so dense on the subject that I don't know 
> where
> to start. I do believe that I have .net because I have SQL Server 2005
> Express and it required .net, but beyond that -- no clue what to do with 
> it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>>I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there.
>>Please
>> at least be there to help us achieve critical mass.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 08:39:20 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 09:39:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>
References: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710120639r585b1f9exa927ecb8ad354af@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/12/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> I didn't mean to exclude someone. But traffic on that list is really low, and I'm sure there would still be room for VB6 postings.

No worries folks. Nothing is changing at the moment.

John (our illustrious president) and I are discussing this suggestion.
Well I sent him an e-mail a short while ago and waiting for him to
come online :)

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 09:38:43 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 07:38:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution	Providers
In-Reply-To: <009401c80cd4$9e5611e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <s70ca4dd.051@cactus.dk><008d01c80b3b$35aa5330$657aa8c0@M90><003001c80c74$d8858db0$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><000801c80c7e$a1b363c0$657aa8c0@M90><000301c80c8e$ed4dd710$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local><002101c80cc8$456bbbe0$657aa8c0@M90><005501c80cd0$62315430$4b3a8343@SusanOne><003401c80cd2$f7cea680$657aa8c0@M90>
	<009401c80cd4$9e5611e0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70392B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

VB.Net is VB7, so I'd say the answer is yes.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 6:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
Web Solution Providers

OK, here's a question -- are VB Express and VB.NET express the same
thing?

Susan H.


> LOL.  I hear you Susan.  As for "I must have...", nope, not true.  SQL

> Server 2005 uses the .net framework but the programming language and 
> environment layers are not embedded in SQL Server.
>
> You can get VB.Net Express for free from a download on MS site.
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/express/aa718406.aspx
>
> That is a programming environment that mimics Visual Studio.Net.  In 
> fact is it so close in look and feel that it may be a subset.  There 
> are some subtle programming differences that prevent VB.Net Express 
> programs from being easily portable to the full on version, but the 
> express version will allow you to get your feet wet for free, and in 
> fact it allows you to write full on VB.Net programs for free.  Highly 
> recommended for the people who do not intend to develop industrial 
> grade applications in .Net but would like to see / learn the VB.Net 
> syntax and even write programs in it.  It is simpler than the Visual 
> Studio environment but will still be a learning curve.
>
> OTOH it has been easy for developers to get free STANDARD versions of 
> Visual Studio.Net.  I got one by attending a product event back when 
> SQL Server
> 2005 was being introduced.  I also got one for watching a pair of 
> videos on the MS site.  I think the same kind of thing is happening 
> now for the
> VS2008
> version and I will be doing that when I discover how.
>
> Move your questions over to the VB list and you can get a lot of help 
> there.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:04 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit 
> for Web Solution Providers
>
> Well, I'll bite -- can you guys hold my hand through the process. I 
> really do NOT want to learn another new technology, but at this point,

> can't hurt anything to try. I mean, I'm so dense on the subject that I

> don't know where to start. I do believe that I have .net because I 
> have SQL Server 2005 Express and it required .net, but beyond that -- 
> no clue what to do with it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>>I know that but critical mass is caused by people hanging out there.
>>Please
>> at least be there to help us achieve critical mass.
>
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 12 10:12:51 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:12:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
Message-ID: <000f01c80ce2$5c4d6f60$657aa8c0@M90>

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 12 10:51:38 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 10:51:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
In-Reply-To: <000f01c80ce2$5c4d6f60$657aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1CF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Actually, if you have admin access to a server, you can boot everyone
out of a database with Computer management.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot
the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows
what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct 12 11:12:51 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:12:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1CF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <000f01c80ce2$5c4d6f60$657aa8c0@M90>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1CF@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Drew,

 That only works for net processes (assuming your talking about Shares/open
files) and even then, might not always clear things up.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Actually, if you have admin access to a server, you can boot everyone
out of a database with Computer management.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot
the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows
what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 12 11:53:24 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:53:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
In-Reply-To: <000901c80cea$bd9cf580$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

No, it should work for a locally used file too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Drew,

 That only works for net processes (assuming your talking about
Shares/open
files) and even then, might not always clear things up.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Actually, if you have admin access to a server, you can boot everyone
out of a database with Computer management.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot
the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows
what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 15:24:03 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:24:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dear DBA....
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710121324w6f42b29apa31efbe6485c37fb@mail.gmail.com>

Friday Humour

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/jeffs/archive/2007/03/28/60145.aspx

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From robert at webedb.com  Fri Oct 12 14:04:55 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:04:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>

Most of the people that I have seen on the other list
are from other countries (i.e. India). Most have not
even read the on-line manual and ask some of the least
bright questions I have ever seen. I would have for
the dba list to go to that.

I did not know there was another one. So, now, I will
join it also. Most of the work I am doing is SQL Server.
But I am still teaching DotNet once a month at a local
user group.


At 12:00 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:23:32 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,     now with special edition toolkit
>         for Web Solution Providers
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70f675f.003 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi Anita
>
>Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
>...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.
>
>Anita
>
>
>On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
> >
> > William




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 15:55:46 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:55:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Dear DBA....
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710121324w6f42b29apa31efbe6485c37fb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e04a6c920710121324w6f42b29apa31efbe6485c37fb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703946@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

ROTFL

I just got notified that we're making some table changes that will
require me to totally rebuild a number of forms/subforms and all the
interaction involved.  Perfect timing!

Charlotte Foust

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Carbonnell
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Dear DBA....

Friday Humour

http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/jeffs/archive/2007/03/28/60145.aspx

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 15:56:49 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:56:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb
In-Reply-To: <200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703947@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I haven't seen any activity at all there lately except from us dotNet
types.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb

Most of the people that I have seen on the other list are from other
countries (i.e. India). Most have not even read the on-line manual and
ask some of the least bright questions I have ever seen. I would have
for the dba list to go to that.

I did not know there was another one. So, now, I will join it also. Most
of the work I am doing is SQL Server.
But I am still teaching DotNet once a month at a local user group.


At 12:00 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:23:32 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,     now with special edition
toolkit
>         for Web Solution Providers
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70f675f.003 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi Anita
>
>Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
>...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.
>
>Anita
>
>
>On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
> >
> > William


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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Fri Oct 12 16:15:41 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:15:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703947@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703947@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <000501c80d15$0b62d580$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

Ummmmmm...silly question, I'm sure...but, since not all of us are into
Access exclusively, although it remains close to our hearts...couldn't we
rename THIS list to simply "Database Advisors" or something and include the
new technologies as they come up? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb

I haven't seen any activity at all there lately except from us dotNet types.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Stewart
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:05 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb

Most of the people that I have seen on the other list are from other
countries (i.e. India). Most have not even read the on-line manual and ask
some of the least bright questions I have ever seen. I would have for the
dba list to go to that.

I did not know there was another one. So, now, I will join it also. Most of
the work I am doing is SQL Server.
But I am still teaching DotNet once a month at a local user group.


At 12:00 PM 10/12/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 12:23:32 +0200
>From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,     now with special edition
toolkit
>         for Web Solution Providers
>To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID: <s70f675f.003 at cactus.dk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Hi Anita
>
>Yes, and perhaps it should be renamed to dba-dotNet?
>
>/gustav
>
> >>> anitatiedemann at gmail.com 12-10-2007 08:44 >>>
>...perhaps it needs to be advertised to attract new members.
>
>Anita
>
>
>On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...not enough critical mass in the dba-vb list jc :(
> >
> > William


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 16:39:52 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:39:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Rename to dba-dotNet fron dba-vb
In-Reply-To: <000501c80d15$0b62d580$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
References: <mailman.1.1192208405.17936.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710122114.l9CLDwbI003119@databaseadvisors.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703947@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<000501c80d15$0b62d580$6400a8c0@dsunit1>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710121439q78f3b0e6kfa685482041cef46@mail.gmail.com>

Absitively and posolutely not. (c.f. eecummings) Hey, it's Friday.

On 10/12/07, Dian <nd500_lo at charter.net> wrote:
>
> Ummmmmm...silly question, I'm sure...but, since not all of us are into
> Access exclusively, although it remains close to our hearts...couldn't we
> rename THIS list to simply "Database Advisors" or something and include
> the
> new technologies as they come up?
>


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Oct 12 20:08:58 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:08:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
References: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>
	<e04a6c920710120639r585b1f9exa927ecb8ad354af@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002501c80d35$a2d5af80$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C# 
rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C# 
really is, especially with the growing number of code translators available 
...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)

William

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> On 10/12/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
>> I didn't mean to exclude someone. But traffic on that list is really low, 
>> and I'm sure there would still be room for VB6 postings.
>
> No worries folks. Nothing is changing at the moment.
>
> John (our illustrious president) and I are discussing this suggestion.
> Well I sent him an e-mail a short while ago and waiting for him to
> come online :)
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 12 20:17:58 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:17:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <002501c80d35$a2d5af80$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <s70f9143.009@cactus.dk>
	<e04a6c920710120639r585b1f9exa927ecb8ad354af@mail.gmail.com>
	<002501c80d35$a2d5af80$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710121817k4f645a8bqd2eb001b84abc849@mail.gmail.com>

There's a purely monetary reason for going that way, too. According to my
admittedly loose stats, you make about +$15 an hour by claiming C# vs.
VB.NET. I agree with you, William, C# is a piece of cake given even a
modicum of VB.NET. But there seems to be a monetary advantage as well. And
to be fair, there are a couple of things you can do in C# that you can't in
VB.NET.

As to the name change, I'm seriously in favour. Who programs in VB6 any
more? Somebody, somewhere, no doubt. But to preserve the name for him?

A.

On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C#
> rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C#
> really is, especially with the growing number of code translators
> available
> ...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)
>
> William
>


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Oct 12 20:41:16 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 21:41:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <000901c80cea$bd9cf580$8abea8c0@XPS>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2A2A1F0@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00cc01c80d3a$25d2dee0$8abea8c0@XPS>

Drew, 

  Only if it's accessed through a share.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:53 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

No, it should work for a locally used file too.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Drew,

 That only works for net processes (assuming your talking about
Shares/open
files) and even then, might not always clear things up.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:52 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Unlocker

Actually, if you have admin access to a server, you can boot everyone
out of a database with Computer management.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 10:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Unlocker

I just ran across this:

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker/

It MIGHT work to unlock Access when you would otherwise have to reboot
the
server to boot everyone because Access has screwed up.  OTOH who knows
what
would happen if it does work and unlocked real valid locks on the BE.

If anyone wants to test this for us...  ;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Sat Oct 13 03:13:17 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:13:17 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710121817k4f645a8bqd2eb001b84abc849@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c80d70$e8e921b0$6401a8c0@nant>

Yes, that would be very useful to talk about C# in DBA-CS (?).

IMO C# is great not only as very laconic and powerful programming language
etc.etc. but also because it's so easy to post and copy and paste and run
code samples written on C# and posted in e-mail messages where they can get
"screwed"/wrapped out because of message's text line length limitations etc.

Here is a simple sample to demonstrate this C# feature-by-design:

Save the following two lines into hw.cs:

using System;class hw {static void Main(){Console.WriteLine("\nHello,
World!\n");}}

Save the following seven lines into csc.bat

@echo off
echo Compiling hw.cs...
C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\csc.exe hw.cs /nologo
echo Running hw.exe...
hw.exe
pause
del hw.exe

In the case you have .NET Framework installed in
C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727 you'll get the following
results while running csc.bat:

Compiling hw.cs...
Running hw.exe...

Hello, World!

Press any key to continue . . .

Of course you can generalize this idea to have parameterized batch files as
well as csc.exe and/or vbc.exe response files as well as msbuild.exe project
files as well as ... - then you can get very advanced samples compiled and
built from source files without VS and "automagically" tested if samples
will be supplied with (unit) tests for tools like NUnit...

And with some more efforts you can get agile software factory continually
integrating (CruseControl.NET) and (re-)deploying in hot mode your
customers' applications automagically built from code snippets borrowed from
all corners of Internet...

A kind of kidding about the latter of course but...

And a funny story in the end:

"I've got so angry today: when I've got back home I have found a diskette
sticked by a magnet to the fridge's door with a note: 'Darling, here is the
diskette with important documents you've been desperately looking for all
the yesterday evening...' "

I must note that's not a story about my wife - I do not use diskettes for a
long time now :)

BTW, we have a XXVI's Wedding Anniversary today...

Have nice weekend. :)

--
Shamil

P.S. 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:18 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web
Solution Providers

There's a purely monetary reason for going that way, too. According to my
admittedly loose stats, you make about +$15 an hour by claiming C# vs.
VB.NET. I agree with you, William, C# is a piece of cake given even a
modicum of VB.NET. But there seems to be a monetary advantage as well. And
to be fair, there are a couple of things you can do in C# that you can't in
VB.NET.

As to the name change, I'm seriously in favour. Who programs in VB6 any
more? Somebody, somewhere, no doubt. But to preserve the name for him?

A.

On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
> ...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C#
> rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C#
> really is, especially with the growing number of code translators
> available
> ...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)
>
> William
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Oct 13 08:48:00 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:48:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
References: <000001c80d70$e8e921b0$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <001801c80d9f$ac1ea5f0$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...as usual, most of that kind of whoooshed right on by me  ...but congrats 
on the anniversary :)

...I will say that I've been very surprised by how easily large parts of my 
Access code ported to vb.net and eventually C# ...a couple of paradigm 
changes in understanding inheritance and objects but otherwise I'm finding 
it at least as easy as vba ever was ...and there are so many freaking things 
that dotnet does automagically that Access pales in comparison ...and I've 
just begun to poke at its possibilities.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at users.mns.ru>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for Web 
Solution Providers


> Yes, that would be very useful to talk about C# in DBA-CS (?).
>
> IMO C# is great not only as very laconic and powerful programming language
> etc.etc. but also because it's so easy to post and copy and paste and run
> code samples written on C# and posted in e-mail messages where they can 
> get
> "screwed"/wrapped out because of message's text line length limitations 
> etc.
>
> Here is a simple sample to demonstrate this C# feature-by-design:
>
> Save the following two lines into hw.cs:
>
> using System;class hw {static void Main(){Console.WriteLine("\nHello,
> World!\n");}}
>
> Save the following seven lines into csc.bat
>
> @echo off
> echo Compiling hw.cs...
> C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727\csc.exe hw.cs /nologo
> echo Running hw.exe...
> hw.exe
> pause
> del hw.exe
>
> In the case you have .NET Framework installed in
> C:\WINDOWS\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v2.0.50727 you'll get the following
> results while running csc.bat:
>
> Compiling hw.cs...
> Running hw.exe...
>
> Hello, World!
>
> Press any key to continue . . .
>
> Of course you can generalize this idea to have parameterized batch files 
> as
> well as csc.exe and/or vbc.exe response files as well as msbuild.exe 
> project
> files as well as ... - then you can get very advanced samples compiled and
> built from source files without VS and "automagically" tested if samples
> will be supplied with (unit) tests for tools like NUnit...
>
> And with some more efforts you can get agile software factory continually
> integrating (CruseControl.NET) and (re-)deploying in hot mode your
> customers' applications automagically built from code snippets borrowed 
> from
> all corners of Internet...
>
> A kind of kidding about the latter of course but...
>
> And a funny story in the end:
>
> "I've got so angry today: when I've got back home I have found a diskette
> sticked by a magnet to the fridge's door with a note: 'Darling, here is 
> the
> diskette with important documents you've been desperately looking for all
> the yesterday evening...' "
>
> I must note that's not a story about my wife - I do not use diskettes for 
> a
> long time now :)
>
> BTW, we have a XXVI's Wedding Anniversary today...
>
> Have nice weekend. :)
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for 
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
> There's a purely monetary reason for going that way, too. According to my
> admittedly loose stats, you make about +$15 an hour by claiming C# vs.
> VB.NET. I agree with you, William, C# is a piece of cake given even a
> modicum of VB.NET. But there seems to be a monetary advantage as well. And
> to be fair, there are a couple of things you can do in C# that you can't 
> in
> VB.NET.
>
> As to the name change, I'm seriously in favour. Who programs in VB6 any
> more? Somebody, somewhere, no doubt. But to preserve the name for him?
>
> A.
>
> On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> ...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C#
>> rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C#
>> really is, especially with the growing number of code translators
>> available
>> ...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)
>>
>> William
>>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Oct 13 08:47:19 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 09:47:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Action Pack,
	now with special edition toolkit for Web Solution Providers
In-Reply-To: <000001c80d70$e8e921b0$6401a8c0@nant>
References: <29f585dd0710121817k4f645a8bqd2eb001b84abc849@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c80d70$e8e921b0$6401a8c0@nant>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710130647j2835d7cexa85ef5630add12dc@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for a great story, Shamil! That's definitely a keeper!

And a funny story in the end:
>
> "I've got so angry today: when I've got back home I have found a diskette
> sticked by a magnet to the fridge's door with a note: 'Darling, here is
> the
> diskette with important documents you've been desperately looking for all
> the yesterday evening...' "
>
> I must note that's not a story about my wife - I do not use diskettes for
> a
> long time now :)
>
> BTW, we have a XXVI's Wedding Anniversary today...
>
> Have nice weekend. :)
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> P.S.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 5:18 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Action Pack,now with special edition toolkit for
> Web
> Solution Providers
>
> There's a purely monetary reason for going that way, too. According to my
> admittedly loose stats, you make about +$15 an hour by claiming C# vs.
> VB.NET. I agree with you, William, C# is a piece of cake given even a
> modicum of VB.NET. But there seems to be a monetary advantage as well. And
> to be fair, there are a couple of things you can do in C# that you can't
> in
> VB.NET.
>
> As to the name change, I'm seriously in favour. Who programs in VB6 any
> more? Somebody, somewhere, no doubt. But to preserve the name for him?
>
> A.
>
> On 10/12/07, William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...imnsho, the name change would be most helpful ...I'm focusing on C#
> > rather than vb ...you might be amazed at how easy the move from vb to C#
> > really is, especially with the growing number of code translators
> > available
> > ...and you know if I can do it, anyone can :)
> >
> > William
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Oct 13 08:55:03 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 06:55:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
Message-ID: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

"If you want it here it is.  Come and get it.  But you'd better hurry 'cause
it's going fast." The Beatles

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21028201/

Rocky


 	
	



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Oct 13 08:57:40 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:57:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 14
Message-ID: <000601c80da1$05b45820$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Clint Covington is collecting requests for Access improvements and
information about Access applications you currently sell:

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2007/10/12/do-you-sell-and-access-appli
cation.aspx

Dan






From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Oct 13 12:31:54 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 13:31:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
References: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...if they don't really "fix" Vista, they'll have no choice but to extend it 
again ...I'm still specing XP for all client systems ...I've installed Vista 
twice now on test systems and wound up removing it both times ...with 2MB of 
ram XP still runs circles around Vista imnshe ...past 4MB it levels out 
...but for what advantage vs the costs? ...and Access has problems with 
Vista that don't show in XP ...MS has blown this intro big time.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22windows+xp%22%2C+%22windows+vista%22&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all

...and while Vista sales have bogged down, the latest Mac OS is taking a 
substantially greater portion of the new systems market ...and with Mac OS 
portability to the X86 environment MS may have cut its own throat in 
releasing Vista before it was ready.

...AND the beta of XP SP3 apparently includes several core Vista features 
...plus you must believe MS isn't putting an XP SP into beta now if it 
really means to cut XP off in a few months time, eh.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?


> "If you want it here it is.  Come and get it.  But you'd better hurry 
> 'cause
> it's going fast." The Beatles
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21028201/
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 14 13:15:50 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:15:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
In-Reply-To: <000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <015901c80e8e$40145b80$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Ditto on this William.
(Albeit GB instead of MB ;o) 

The only worthy thing Vista has done IMO is lower the cost of hardware -
great for XP users!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?

...if they don't really "fix" Vista, they'll have no choice but to extend it
again ...I'm still specing XP for all client systems ...I've installed Vista
twice now on test systems and wound up removing it both times ...with 2MB of
ram XP still runs circles around Vista imnshe ...past 4MB it levels out
...but for what advantage vs the costs? ...and Access has problems with
Vista that don't show in XP ...MS has blown this intro big time.

http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22windows+xp%22%2C+%22windows+vista%22&ctab=
0&geo=all&date=all

...and while Vista sales have bogged down, the latest Mac OS is taking a
substantially greater portion of the new systems market ...and with Mac OS
portability to the X86 environment MS may have cut its own throat in
releasing Vista before it was ready.

...AND the beta of XP SP3 apparently includes several core Vista features
...plus you must believe MS isn't putting an XP SP into beta now if it
really means to cut XP off in a few months time, eh.




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 13:53:59 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:53:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group
Message-ID: <000501c80e93$97a9fb20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

I've got a simple report grouped by a date field using the Week Group On 
setting. However, the dates within each group aren't sorting, even though 
I've set an Ascending sort both via the Sorting and Grouping feature and in 
the underlying query.

Year values are the same, but only one group is sorting as expected -- 17 
July, 18 July, 19 July, and so on. All the others are just skipping 
around -- 19 July, 18 July, 15 July, 16 July, 17 July.

I don't understand why the dates are sorting correctly within the groups.

Susan H. 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Oct 14 18:09:57 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 19:09:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
References: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
	<015901c80e8e$40145b80$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000301c80eb7$572e8650$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

"GB instead of MB" ...ssssshhhhh ...no one else will notice, eh :)

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?


> Ditto on this William.
> (Albeit GB instead of MB ;o)
>
> The only worthy thing Vista has done IMO is lower the cost of hardware -
> great for XP users!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
>
> ...if they don't really "fix" Vista, they'll have no choice but to extend 
> it
> again ...I'm still specing XP for all client systems ...I've installed 
> Vista
> twice now on test systems and wound up removing it both times ...with 2MB 
> of
> ram XP still runs circles around Vista imnshe ...past 4MB it levels out
> ...but for what advantage vs the costs? ...and Access has problems with
> Vista that don't show in XP ...MS has blown this intro big time.
>
> http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22windows+xp%22%2C+%22windows+vista%22&ctab=
> 0&geo=all&date=all
>
> ...and while Vista sales have bogged down, the latest Mac OS is taking a
> substantially greater portion of the new systems market ...and with Mac OS
> portability to the X86 environment MS may have cut its own throat in
> releasing Vista before it was ready.
>
> ...AND the beta of XP SP3 apparently includes several core Vista features
> ...plus you must believe MS isn't putting an XP SP into beta now if it
> really means to cut XP off in a few months time, eh.
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 14 19:04:15 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 20:04:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
In-Reply-To: <000301c80eb7$572e8650$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <001201c80da0$a8233ff0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000401c80dbe$f346a620$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local><015901c80e8e$40145b80$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<000301c80eb7$572e8650$517a6c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <000d01c80ebe$ed793d60$0eac1cac@M90>

Naw, just showing your age.  'twas a time in my youth when I would kill for
2 mb of Ram. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 7:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?

"GB instead of MB" ...ssssshhhhh ...no one else will notice, eh :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?


> Ditto on this William.
> (Albeit GB instead of MB ;o)
>
> The only worthy thing Vista has done IMO is lower the cost of hardware -
> great for XP users!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 12:32 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Goodbye XP?
>
> ...if they don't really "fix" Vista, they'll have no choice but to extend 
> it
> again ...I'm still specing XP for all client systems ...I've installed 
> Vista
> twice now on test systems and wound up removing it both times ...with 2MB 
> of
> ram XP still runs circles around Vista imnshe ...past 4MB it levels out
> ...but for what advantage vs the costs? ...and Access has problems with
> Vista that don't show in XP ...MS has blown this intro big time.
>
>
http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22windows+xp%22%2C+%22windows+vista%22&ctab=
> 0&geo=all&date=all
>
> ...and while Vista sales have bogged down, the latest Mac OS is taking a
> substantially greater portion of the new systems market ...and with Mac OS
> portability to the X86 environment MS may have cut its own throat in
> releasing Vista before it was ready.
>
> ...AND the beta of XP SP3 apparently includes several core Vista features
> ...plus you must believe MS isn't putting an XP SP into beta now if it
> really means to cut XP off in a few months time, eh.
>
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Oct 15 00:06:29 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 15:06:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] ADProject: Getting Database Name
In-Reply-To: <s70f6850.004@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <200710150506.l9F56MBm022081@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Gustav - 

Perfect - As I have said many times - legend

I did modify it a bit - I am assuming there already is a connection
So Now I have 2 functions - 
1 to get the Current DB name and the other to get the server name - See below

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Function f_GetServerName() As String

On Error GoTo Err_

Dim strConnect As String
Dim strKey As String
Dim strSearch As String
Dim strServer As String

strConnect = Application.CurrentProject.Connection

strKey = "SOURCE="
strSearch = Mid(strConnect, InStr(1, strConnect, strKey, vbTextCompare) +
Len(strKey))
strServer = Mid(strSearch, 1, InStr(1, strSearch, ";") - 1)

f_ GetServerName = strServer

Exit_:
Exit Function

Err_:
DoCmd.Hourglass False
MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in f_
GetServerName Routine"
Resume Exit_
End Function
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Function f_dBName() As String

On Error GoTo Err_

    Dim rs As Object
    Dim con As Object
    Dim selSQL As String
    Set rs = CreateObject("ADODB.Recordset")
    Set con = Application.CurrentProject.Connection
      
    selSQL = "SELECT DB_NAME() AS CurrentDB"
    
    rs.Open selSQL, con, 1, 3
    
    f_dBName = rs!CurrentDb
    
rs.Close
Set rs = Nothing

Exit_:
Exit Function

Err_:
DoCmd.Hourglass False
MsgBox Err.Number & " " & Err.Description, vbCritical, "Error in f_dBName
Routine"
Resume Exit_
End Function
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, 12 October 2007 8:28 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] ADProject: Getting Database Name

Hi Darren

Would it be something like this:

strConnect =
"DATABASE=something;SERVER=192.168.1.100;PASSWORD=;PORT=3306;OPTION=3;STMT=;"
strKey = "SERVER="
strSearch = Mid(strConnect, InStr(1, strConnect, strKey, vbTextCompare) +
Len(strKey))
strServer = Mid(strSearch, 1, InStr(1, strSearch, ";") - 1)

/gustav

>>> darren at activebilling.com.au 12-10-2007 08:06 >>>
Hi All

 

Cross posted to AccessD and dba_SQL Server

 

I want to get the Server name (Data Source) from code - I can get the dB name

 

Now I want just the server name as well - Not all the other stuff that comes
with the .Connection property

 

Can anyone assist?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Darren


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From adtp at airtelbroadband.in  Mon Oct 15 00:26:32 2007
From: adtp at airtelbroadband.in (A.D.TEJPAL)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:56:32 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group
References: <000501c80e93$97a9fb20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00bc01c80eec$1310d4c0$5958a27a@personalec1122>

Susan,

    As soon as any setting is made via Sorting and Grouping dialog box, existing sort order (if any) in the source query gets ignored.

    Your problem should stand resolved by adding the date field explicitly as the last item in first column of this dialog box (and selecting Ascending or Descending in second column as desired).

Best wishes,
A.D.Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Susan Harkins 
  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 00:23
  Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group


  I've got a simple report grouped by a date field using the Week Group On 
  setting. However, the dates within each group aren't sorting, even though 
  I've set an Ascending sort both via the Sorting and Grouping feature and in 
  the underlying query.

  Year values are the same, but only one group is sorting as expected -- 17 
  July, 18 July, 19 July, and so on. All the others are just skipping 
  around -- 19 July, 18 July, 15 July, 16 July, 17 July.

  I don't understand why the dates are sorting correctly within the groups.

  Susan H. 

From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 07:00:52 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 08:00:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group
References: <000501c80e93$97a9fb20$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<00bc01c80eec$1310d4c0$5958a27a@personalec1122>
Message-ID: <003101c80f24$0daba090$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

You know, this sounds really familiar -- I'm betting I've seen this before 
and just forgotten. Thanks.

Susan H.


> Susan,
>
>    As soon as any setting is made via Sorting and Grouping dialog box, 
> existing sort order (if any) in the source query gets ignored.
>
>    Your problem should stand resolved by adding the date field explicitly 
> as the last item in first column of this dialog box (and selecting 
> Ascending or Descending in second column as desired).
>
> Best wishes,
> A.D.Tejpal
> ------------
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Susan Harkins
>  To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 00:23
>  Subject: [AccessD] problem sorting in group
>
>
>  I've got a simple report grouped by a date field using the Week Group On
>  setting. However, the dates within each group aren't sorting, even though
>  I've set an Ascending sort both via the Sorting and Grouping feature and 
> in
>  the underlying query.
>
>  Year values are the same, but only one group is sorting as expected -- 17
>  July, 18 July, 19 July, and so on. All the others are just skipping
>  around -- 19 July, 18 July, 15 July, 16 July, 17 July.
>
>  I don't understand why the dates are sorting correctly within the groups.
>
>  Susan H.
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 15 07:50:53 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:50:53 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Dot Net, where to start?
Message-ID: <s7137e5d.033@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan et al

Now this topic is up again, those interested could review the thread(s) from April.

By reading about and redoing the sample application in this chapter (link below), you'll get a feeling for what it is all about (thanks Arthur). It is obtuse but that's the price for moving quickly.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 27-04-2007 17:39 >>>
Hi Arthur

All samples? It lists 470 on Visual Studio alone!

Found the JumpStart code download and the book: 

  http://examples.oreilly.com/vbjumpstart/ 
  http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/vbjumpstart/ 

Thanks!

/gustav



>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 27-04-2007 16:28 >>>
Go to GotDotNet and download all the samples. Do it relatively quickly since
MS has decided to phase out this site. Also go to Visual Studio Magazine and
CodePlex.

There is a very good intro book called VB.NET JumpStart (google vbJumpStart
and you should get to the downloadable code). I found this book so good that
I am currently thinking that .NET is even easier than Access.

Arthur




From john at winhaven.net  Mon Oct 15 10:15:51 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:15:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Tuesday? FW: The Most Collectible PCs
In-Reply-To: <001301c80b59$fa2ff160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <mailman.1.1191949202.3778.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><200710091904.l99J42q3003686@databaseadvisors.com>
	<001301c80b59$fa2ff160$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <02be01c80f3e$46810a30$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Here's a link to a romantic visual tour down "CrustyOldComputerGeek Lane"
;o)

http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-169761-1.html 

Ya, sheeesh! I started programming on some of these too :o(




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 15 12:31:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 10:31:24 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs in
	Vista?
Message-ID: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

>From a fellow developer:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=935370
 
Rocky
 


 	
	



From jengross at gte.net  Mon Oct 15 14:21:08 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:21:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
 inVista?
In-Reply-To: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson>

That cracked me up Rocky . . . "You can temporarily work around this
problem by sharing the database from a computer that is not running
Windows Vista"

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
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at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
inVista?


>From a fellow developer:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=935370
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 15 16:25:47 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:25:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
	inVista?
In-Reply-To: <00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
Message-ID: <00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

>From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 - don't know if this
one's been talked about here or not

You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833


Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
inVista?

That cracked me up Rocky . . . "You can temporarily work around this problem
by sharing the database from a computer that is not running Windows Vista"

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
inVista?


>From a fellow developer:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=935370
 
Rocky
 


 	
	

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 15 16:51:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 14:51:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access
	dbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson>
	<00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

That one I knew about.  It isn't just Vista, either.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access
dbsinVista?

>From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 - don't know if 
>this
one's been talked about here or not

You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833


Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access
dbs inVista?

That cracked me up Rocky . . . "You can temporarily work around this
problem by sharing the database from a computer that is not running
Windows Vista"

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 10:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running Access dbs
inVista?


>From a fellow developer:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=935370
 
Rocky
 


 	
	

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 15 20:49:31 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:49:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
Message-ID: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000976.html

This makes things clear and useful - I'm putting it on my bulletin board!

Dan







From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 21:56:49 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:56:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
In-Reply-To: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>

Dan, you should visit www.artfulsoftware.com. We did this years ago, and
also explained the more complicated joins such as loose joins and others --
and in more than one flavour of SQL.

Arthur

On 10/15/07, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000976.html
>
> This makes things clear and useful - I'm putting it on my bulletin board!
>
> Dan
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 15 23:39:38 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 23:39:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c80fae$8fefc240$0200a8c0@danwaters>

I should have guessed!!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins

Dan, you should visit www.artfulsoftware.com. We did this years ago, and
also explained the more complicated joins such as loose joins and others --
and in more than one flavour of SQL.

Arthur

On 10/15/07, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000976.html
>
> This makes things clear and useful - I'm putting it on my bulletin board!
>
> Dan
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct 16 08:29:49 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:29:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001e01c80f96$cbfdad50$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101c80ff8$a099f710$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Arthur,

>From the page you referenced, what path would I take?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins

Dan, you should visit www.artfulsoftware.com. We did this years ago, and
also explained the more complicated joins such as loose joins and others --
and in more than one flavour of SQL.

Arthur

On 10/15/07, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000976.html
>
> This makes things clear and useful - I'm putting it on my bulletin board!
>
> Dan
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Tue Oct 16 09:38:18 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:38:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running
	AccessdbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson><00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal
with helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

**************************************************
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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem 
> running Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 - 
> don't know if 
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
>




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 09:45:53 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 07:45:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
	runningAccessdbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson><00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703994@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Personnally, I was never satisfied with the export to Excel except for
the simplest of reports or for queries.  I don't think anyone ever sat
the two teams down and said they had to talk to each other!

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 7:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal
with helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running 
> Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 -
> don't know if
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
>


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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Oct 16 10:28:40 2007
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:28:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
 runningAccessdbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
References: <007201c80f51$36c3ac20$0301a8c0@HAL9005><00a001c80f60$905bee00$6501a8c0@jefferson><00c301c80f71$f4387180$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703987@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05E@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <00ff01c81009$3c4d2d20$8abea8c0@XPS>

Patricia,

  It's not really Microsoft; they lost a lawsuit and don't want to pay what
the patent holder is asking.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal
with helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem 
> running Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 - 
> don't know if 
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 10:48:56 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:48:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
but I'm not counting on it.

Charlotte Foust


From dw-murphy at cox.net  Tue Oct 16 10:53:08 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 08:53:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
	runningAccessdbsinVista?
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c81009$3c4d2d20$8abea8c0@XPS>
Message-ID: <002c01c8100c$a5effe80$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

This isn't about linking to Excel from Access.  The functionality that was
removed simply exported data from Access to an Excel file format. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Patricia,

  It's not really Microsoft; they lost a lawsuit and don't want to pay what
the patent holder is asking.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal with
helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
**************************************************
 
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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running 
> Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 -
> don't know if
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
>


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 16 11:12:57 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:12:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Good luck - whatever it is.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email, but
I'm not counting on it.

Charlotte Foust
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Tue Oct 16 11:22:48 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:22:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB05F@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

Good luck and best wishes on your surgery

**************************************************
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* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
> 
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting 
> tomorrow for some minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in 
> from home and check my email, but I'm not counting on it.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 11:24:55 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:24:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a
technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Good luck - whatever it is.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
but I'm not counting on it.

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 11:48:13 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:48:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>

Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any
post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any
pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)

GK

On 10/16/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a
> technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Good luck - whatever it is.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
> minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
> but I'm not counting on it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 16 11:54:53 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 11:54:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <00e901c81015$464a2100$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Good Luck on the surgery and best wishes for a rapid recovery! 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:49 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email, but
I'm not counting on it.

Charlotte Foust
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 12:34:46 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 10:34:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399C@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Right, and now I have an excuse! LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:48 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any post
surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any pictures
of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)

GK

On 10/16/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a 
> technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Good luck - whatever it is.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for 
> some minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my 
> email, but I'm not counting on it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From robert at webedb.com  Tue Oct 16 12:54:35 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 12:54:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Artful Lib
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1192554002.22500.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1192554002.22500.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710161759.l9GHxhBj031742@databaseadvisors.com>

Arthur,

My new wife is going through all my boxes and we are
trying to reduce the amount of stuff I have. I ran
across the original disks for Artful Lib. I kept
them in case you wanted a set for nostalgia.

Robert

At 12:00 PM 10/16/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:56:49 -0400
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Venn Diagrams to Represent SQL Joins
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>         <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Message-ID:
>         <29f585dd0710151956s44846a23n7a9f727dbbd253e9 at mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
>Dan, you should visit www.artfulsoftware.com. We did this years ago, and
>also explained the more complicated joins such as loose joins and others --
>and in more than one flavour of SQL.
>
>Arthur




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 16 13:05:28 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:05:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
	runningAccessdbsi	nVista?
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED713B@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

The Kb article clearly states that the issue involves exporting *reports* to
Excel. It does not mention any problems with exporting *Queries* to Excel
files. Not being an Access 2007 user I cannot test this. So could anyone
confirm that we can still export queries to Excel?

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?


This isn't about linking to Excel from Access.  The functionality that was
removed simply exported data from Access to an Excel file format. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Patricia,

  It's not really Microsoft; they lost a lawsuit and don't want to pay what
the patent holder is asking.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal with
helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running 
> Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 -
> don't know if
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
>


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:17:29 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:17:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Artful Lib
In-Reply-To: <200710161759.l9GHxhBj031742@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1192554002.22500.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200710161759.l9GHxhBj031742@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710161117x4d940889gd6c3723f504c349c@mail.gmail.com>

Wow. I don't own a set! Several wives and moves later, a lot of stuff has
gone under the bridge.

A.

On 10/16/07, Robert L. Stewart <robert at webedb.com> wrote:
>
> Arthur,
>
> My new wife is going through all my boxes and we are
> trying to reduce the amount of stuff I have. I ran
> across the original disks for Artful Lib. I kept
> them in case you wanted a set for nostalgia.
>
> Robert
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 16 13:29:43 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:29:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a
	problemrunningAccessdbsi	nVista?
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED713B@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED713B@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c81022$85fafc90$0eac1cac@M90>

I just saw queries exported to Excel a few minutes ago. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problemrunningAccessdbsi
nVista?

The Kb article clearly states that the issue involves exporting *reports* to
Excel. It does not mention any problems with exporting *Queries* to Excel
files. Not being an Access 2007 user I cannot test this. So could anyone
confirm that we can still export queries to Excel?

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:53 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?


This isn't about linking to Excel from Access.  The functionality that was
removed simply exported data from Access to an Excel file format. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Patricia,

  It's not really Microsoft; they lost a lawsuit and don't want to pay what
the patent holder is asking.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of O'Connor,
Patricia (OTDA)
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem
runningAccessdbsinVista?

Why is MS doing this nonsense? They are getting worse and worse.  
We put quite a bit to excel.  This is going to cause me to have to deal with
helping coworkers and  rework many apps. 
Lovely NOT

**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
**************************************************
 
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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 2:26 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problem running 
> Access dbsinVista?
> 
> >From the same colleague - a problem  with Access 2007 -
> don't know if
> >this
> one's been talked about here or not
> 
> You cannot export a report to an Excel format in Access 2007
> 
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934833
> 
> 
> Rocky
> 
>


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 16 13:30:31 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:30:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>

I think she's under the witness protection program. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any post
surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any pictures of
you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)

GK

On 10/16/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
> Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a 
> technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky 
> Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Good luck - whatever it is.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte 
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for 
> some minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my 
> email, but I'm not counting on it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
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> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.12/1072 - Release Date:
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:37:12 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:37:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>
	<002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
Message-ID: <009401c81023$94662100$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

She turned you in???????????? :) 

susan H. 


>I think she's under the witness protection program. 
> 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 13:43:45 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:43:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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	<002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710161143y756ef75frfbde071bd25e9269@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah she talked about some low-life coder she hired and now the Los Angeles
combine is all over her. If you can't fix a bug, then what can you fix?
Otherwise we're back in the jungle. I'm telling you as a courtesy, this
thing is gonna get done.

(c.f. Miller's Crossing, my fave movie of all time).

A.

On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 16 14:19:25 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 15:19:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a
	problemrunningAccessdbsi		nVista?
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7143@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Thanks John. I export to Excel all the time, but only queries. I never
thought the 'feature' to export reports was worth the effort. They usually
looked awful.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problemrunningAccessdbsi
nVista?


I just saw queries exported to Excel a few minutes ago. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:05 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Can you believe there's a problemrunningAccessdbsi
nVista?

The Kb article clearly states that the issue involves exporting *reports* to
Excel. It does not mention any problems with exporting *Queries* to Excel
files. Not being an Access 2007 user I cannot test this. So could anyone
confirm that we can still export queries to Excel?

Lambert


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 16:08:45 2007
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:08:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com>
	<002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more like
her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any post
> surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any pictures
> of
> you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 16 16:12:41 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 14:12:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com><002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
	<8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7039AC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Rats!  You outted me! LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more
like her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any 
> post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any 
> pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 16 16:21:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:21:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><aea6c4950710160948o548ed436ve00e76d23e796dce@mail.gmail.com><002c01c81022$a2d2b6f0$0eac1cac@M90>
	<8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c8103a$84125280$0eac1cac@M90>

LOL, I jut had plastic surgery to look like her.  I had to hire a PI to find
her and take pictures. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 5:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more like
her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any 
> post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any 
> pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct 16 16:22:58 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:22:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7039AC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF80A@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Sorry, late to the thread, been having WAY too much fun on OT, William
would be busting a gut if he was over there the last few days.

Good luck Charlotte!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:13 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Rats!  You outted me! LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more
like her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any 
> post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any 
> pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 16:24:09 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:24:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7039AC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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I've seen JC and this thread is getting a tad too sick for me. LOL.

On 10/16/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Rats!  You outted me! LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 16:25:41 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:25:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <003301c8103a$84125280$0eac1cac@M90>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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What I meant. On the other hand, you'd make a cute couple.

On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> LOL, I jut had plastic surgery to look like her.  I had to hire a PI to
> find
> her and take pictures.
>


From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 16 16:32:17 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 16:32:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF80A@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA7039AC@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Message-ID: <005d01c8103c$068ac8e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yes, he would. 

And BTW I'll bet no one here knew that they were Assembly coders, but
according to Drew you are.

Want to know why? Join dba-OT
;o) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Sorry, late to the thread, been having WAY too much fun on OT, William would
be busting a gut if he was over there the last few days.




From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Oct 16 17:58:02 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 08:58:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703997@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><005d01c8100f$6a7f4a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <005701c81048$022de0f0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Sounds painful - hope it goes well.

Take care

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away


> Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a
> technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Good luck - whatever it is.
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
> Foust
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
> minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
> but I'm not counting on it.
>
> Charlotte Foust
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 16 20:03:02 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:03:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA70399A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <200710170103.l9H12xRk015797@databaseadvisors.com>

Good Luck Charlotte - I do hope it goes well

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2007 2:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Having a skin cancer removed from a lower eyelid.  I should be a
technicolor wonder for a week or so!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Good luck - whatever it is.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:49 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Just to let you know, I'll be off for a week starting tomorrow for some
minor surgery.  I may be able to VPN in from home and check my email,
but I'm not counting on it.

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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Tue Oct 16 20:53:50 2007
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 18:53:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00710161408p2f911ae2rf0aacbae935642ca@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <000601c81060$909926c0$6400a8c0@dsunit1>

Wait...he's a code word, not an idol... 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 2:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

I heard she was getting plastic surgery done to make herself look more like
her idol, John Colby.

:P

Good luck & hope for a speedy recovery!



On 10/16/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> I think she's under the witness protection program.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
>
> Hope it goes well Charlotte. Guess we know you won't be posting any 
> post surgery pictures anywhere since as I recall you don't allow any 
> pictures of you to be posted at all ever right  ;-)
>
> GK
>
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From Jeff at outbaktech.com  Wed Oct 17 09:46:55 2007
From: Jeff at outbaktech.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:46:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: ERP Systems
Message-ID: <E2FBF0A51D2A324C90BA16C566366A6D0D922C@belgarion.Outbak.local>

Does anyone here work on a Lawson ERP System?
 
If so, could you please contact me off list at jeff.barrows @ racine.k12.wi.us 
 
Jeff Barrows
MCP, MCAD, MCSD
 
Outbak Technologies, LLC
Racine, WI
jeff at outbaktech.com


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 17 11:22:07 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:22:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <005d01c8103c$068ac8e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF8FC@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Trying to recruit for OT?  I never said that by the way.... ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Yes, he would. 

And BTW I'll bet no one here knew that they were Assembly coders, but
according to Drew you are.

Want to know why? Join dba-OT
;o) 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 4:23 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Sorry, late to the thread, been having WAY too much fun on OT, William
would
be busting a gut if he was over there the last few days.


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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Oct 17 11:22:20 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:22:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
In-Reply-To: <0JHS00JDGDGESWGE@vms048.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <005201c79262$d279b3b0$657aa8c0@m6805>
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Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB062@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

I am upgrading an old A97 system to 2k3 but have to go through 2k first.
It is a front end connected to 2 back ends.   I currently have them in
2k.  

When I open the mdb it takes a little time nothing substantial.
Then when I look at the FORMS or REPORTS it has changed all the create
and modify dates to the current date.   This doesn't help me know which
ones I have finished correcting or changing or when.  Why is it doing
this and how can I stop it.

I never saw this happen in A97 for the last 10+ years.
Thanks

**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 17 11:39:54 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 11:39:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF8FC@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <005d01c8103c$068ac8e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF8FC@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <007601c810dc$58a95100$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Yes, and you did imply such - via other analogies.

:o)

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Trying to recruit for OT?  I never said that by the way.... ;)




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 17 11:48:07 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 18:48:07 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
Message-ID: <s71658f6.082@cactus.dk>

Hi Patricia

Could it be that you haven't turned AutoCorrect or -Trace (don't recall the exact word) off?

/gustav

>>> Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us 17-10-2007 18:22 >>>
I am upgrading an old A97 system to 2k3 but have to go through 2k first.
It is a front end connected to 2 back ends.   I currently have them in
2k.  

When I open the mdb it takes a little time nothing substantial.
Then when I look at the FORMS or REPORTS it has changed all the create
and modify dates to the current date.   This doesn't help me know which
ones I have finished correcting or changing or when.  Why is it doing
this and how can I stop it.

I never saw this happen in A97 for the last 10+ years.
Thanks

**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us 
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us 




From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Wed Oct 17 11:58:24 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 12:58:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
In-Reply-To: <s71658f6.082@cactus.dk>
References: <s71658f6.082@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB063@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

Thought that might have something to do with it.
Thank you 
Patti

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* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Gustav Brock
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:48 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
> 
> Hi Patricia
> 
> Could it be that you haven't turned AutoCorrect or -Trace 
> (don't recall the exact word) off?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us 17-10-2007 18:22 >>>
> I am upgrading an old A97 system to 2k3 but have to go 
> through 2k first.
> It is a front end connected to 2 back ends.   I currently have them in
> 2k.  
> 
> When I open the mdb it takes a little time nothing substantial.
> Then when I look at the FORMS or REPORTS it has changed all the create
> and modify dates to the current date.   This doesn't help me 
> know which
> ones I have finished correcting or changing or when.  Why is 
> it doing this and how can I stop it.
> 
> I never saw this happen in A97 for the last 10+ years.
> Thanks
> 
> **************************************************
> * Patricia O'Connor
> * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
> * (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
> * (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us 
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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Wed Oct 17 12:25:31 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 13:25:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
In-Reply-To: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB063@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPIEEJFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I think it's something you're going to have to deal with.

A2K has done this for ever.  In fact, just to check, I looked at the objects
in an app I am currently working on.  I have been building this app since
about 2000.  It was started in A2K and is still in A2K.  When I get ready
for some "major" revisions I always make a copy  and start from there.

The forms, reports, modules, and table links objects in this app are now
dated 10-11-2007 unless I have worked on them since the 11th.  In that case
they show the proper dates.

Queries and local tables keep the actual create and modify date.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


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> Patricia (OTDA)
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:58 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
>
>
> Thought that might have something to do with it.
> Thank you
> Patti
>
> **************************************************
> * Patricia O'Connor
> * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> * OTDA - BDMA
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> > Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:48 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
> >
> > Hi Patricia
> >
> > Could it be that you haven't turned AutoCorrect or -Trace
> > (don't recall the exact word) off?
> >
> > /gustav
> >
> > >>> Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us 17-10-2007 18:22 >>>
> > I am upgrading an old A97 system to 2k3 but have to go
> > through 2k first.
> > It is a front end connected to 2 back ends.   I currently have them in
> > 2k.
> >
> > When I open the mdb it takes a little time nothing substantial.
> > Then when I look at the FORMS or REPORTS it has changed all the create
> > and modify dates to the current date.   This doesn't help me
> > know which
> > ones I have finished correcting or changing or when.  Why is
> > it doing this and how can I stop it.
> >
> > I never saw this happen in A97 for the last 10+ years.
> > Thanks
> >
> > **************************************************
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> > * Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
> > * OTDA - BDMA
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Oct 17 14:33:55 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 14:33:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away
In-Reply-To: <007601c810dc$58a95100$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADF946@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

You misunderstood then...go back an re-read the thread, to be sure you
get everything in context! ;)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT - I'll be away

Yes, and you did imply such - via other analogies.

:o)

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Trying to recruit for OT?  I never said that by the way.... ;)


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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Oct 17 22:02:17 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:02:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
Message-ID: <200710180302.l9I32CB3003936@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

I am trying to drop an ADP file (That connects to SQL dB's) onto a machine that
does not have full blown Access (Any flavour)

 

Just the run time version of Access 2003 (I think it's 2003 - Anyway.)

 

When I load my ADP the startup functions fail - that's OK - I can get around
them but the ADP tells me the last SQL dB it connected to cannot be found 

 

I thought this is no big deal I will simply use my built in routine to specify
another SQL dB

 

When I click on the button I created that does this - I get an error that the
App has cause an error and needs to be closed

 

That's not good - So I try to open it holding down the shift key so I can get at
the 'Connection' item in the 'File' Drop down menu

 

 This doesn't work either as it seems the dB startup doesn't recognise (or
ignores) the old shift/open trick

 

So - Does anyone know what my options are to get this thing to connect to
another dB either by menu item of by the click of my button?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

 



From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Wed Oct 17 22:49:44 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:49:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <200710180302.l9I32CB3003936@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200710180302.l9I32CB3003936@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710172049x7c5ca20cre435683485501037@mail.gmail.com>

Darren,
I normally run a function before I ship my database to make sure that the
adp has no connection string. I run this from the debug window:
MakeADPConnectionless
IsConnectionSet = False

You should then be able to set the connection on open of the adp.

This is the function I use to remove the current connection:

Public Function MakeADPConnectionless() As Boolean
        ' Close the connection.
        Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection

        ' Set the connection to nothing.
        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection

        ' Set the flag...
        MakeADPConnectionless = True
End Function

The Shift Key won't work in runtime mode.

Anita


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Thu Oct 18 00:29:45 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:29:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <c5e112ad0710172049x7c5ca20cre435683485501037@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200710180529.l9I5TcnM013866@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Anita et al

Thanks for the response

Excellent - it got me one step closer

Now I am unable to get the SQL Server properties dialogue box to come up

You know the one  -
http://www.blueclaw-db.com/website_database_connections/udl.gif

Even when I Include a tool bar with the "File | Connection" item from the FILE
tool bar

I can see the tool bar I added - but when I click It nothing happens - no
dialogue at all

I have even set up a Macro (RunCommand | ConnectDatabase) still won't work

I even set it up to work via code - Still no joy

Any reason why that dialogue will appear in full blown access but not in the
runtime?

It all hangs on this little bit - If I can get that Dialogue to appear - I think
it will be deliverable
 
Darren
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime

Darren,
I normally run a function before I ship my database to make sure that the
adp has no connection string. I run this from the debug window:
MakeADPConnectionless
IsConnectionSet = False

You should then be able to set the connection on open of the adp.

This is the function I use to remove the current connection:

Public Function MakeADPConnectionless() As Boolean
        ' Close the connection.
        Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection

        ' Set the connection to nothing.
        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection

        ' Set the flag...
        MakeADPConnectionless = True
End Function

The Shift Key won't work in runtime mode.

Anita
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From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Thu Oct 18 01:30:23 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 16:30:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <200710180529.l9I5TcnM013866@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <c5e112ad0710172049x7c5ca20cre435683485501037@mail.gmail.com>
	<200710180529.l9I5TcnM013866@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710172330k418b1fe1t37a3e0306b324e2c@mail.gmail.com>

Darren,
Call this function when your adp opens (it will set the connection for you
without using the dialog) - it will only attempt to set the connection if is
is not already set, which is why I clear the connection before I give the
users a new adp:

Public Function RunConnection() As Boolean
   Dim sUID As String
   Dim sPWD As String
   Dim sServerName As String
   Dim sDatabaseName As String

        If IsConnectionSet = True Then
            RunConnection = True
            Exit Function
        End If

        sUID = "UserID"
        sPWD = "Password"
        sServerName = "ServerName"
        sDatabaseName = "DBName"
        '
        ' Clear the current connection
        '
        MakeADPConnectionless

        ' Make a new connection and connect this adp to new database.
            '
          sConnectionString = "PROVIDER=SQLOLEDB.1;PASSWORD=" & sPWD & _
         ";PERSIST SECURITY INFO=TRUE;USER ID=" & sUID & _
         ";INITIAL CATALOG=" & sDatabaseName & _
         ";DATA SOURCE=" & sServerName

        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection sConnectionString

        RunConnection = True
        IsConnectionSet = True

End Function



On 10/18/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Anita et al
>
> Thanks for the response
>
> Excellent - it got me one step closer
>
> Now I am unable to get the SQL Server properties dialogue box to come up
>
> You know the one  -
> http://www.blueclaw-db.com/website_database_connections/udl.gif
>
> Even when I Include a tool bar with the "File | Connection" item from the
> FILE
> tool bar
>
> I can see the tool bar I added - but when I click It nothing happens - no
> dialogue at all
>
> I have even set up a Macro (RunCommand | ConnectDatabase) still won't work
>
> I even set it up to work via code - Still no joy
>
> Any reason why that dialogue will appear in full blown access but not in
> the
> runtime?
>
> It all hangs on this little bit - If I can get that Dialogue to appear - I
> think
> it will be deliverable
>
> Darren
> -----------------
> T: 1300 301 731
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
>
> Darren,
> I normally run a function before I ship my database to make sure that the
> adp has no connection string. I run this from the debug window:
> MakeADPConnectionless
> IsConnectionSet = False
>
> You should then be able to set the connection on open of the adp.
>
> This is the function I use to remove the current connection:
>
> Public Function MakeADPConnectionless() As Boolean
>        ' Close the connection.
>        Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
>
>        ' Set the connection to nothing.
>        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection
>
>        ' Set the flag...
>        MakeADPConnectionless = True
> End Function
>
> The Shift Key won't work in runtime mode.
>
> Anita
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 18 07:55:37 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:55:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
Message-ID: <20071018125542.613AC4E7A0@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

For the past few years I've been developing a large ERP-style Access app for
a company in Peterborough. This company has recently been taken over and
whilst the new owners like and value the app they do not like feeling so
exposed on the support front, i.e. what happens if I go under a bus or, more
prosaically, when I go on holiday. Reasonable enough really. I've therefore
been tasked with finding a software house who will spend a few days with me
to understand as much as practically possible about the system and then will
act as second-line support when I'm unavailable. Does anyone out there in
the UK a) have any interest in taking this on, and b) have any experience of
similar operations for other systems? Reasonable proximity to Peterborough
would be a big advantage, but if not then preparedness to travel here as and
when necessary would I'm sure be acceptable.

Any interested parties please email me off-list at andy at minstersystems.co.uk
.

Cheers
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Fri Oct 19 00:31:04 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 15:31:04 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
In-Reply-To: <c5e112ad0710172330k418b1fe1t37a3e0306b324e2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200710190531.l9J5Uw7b021294@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Anita

Perfect - well done and many thanks - ready for deployment

Darren

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 4:30 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime

Darren,
Call this function when your adp opens (it will set the connection for you
without using the dialog) - it will only attempt to set the connection if is
is not already set, which is why I clear the connection before I give the
users a new adp:

Public Function RunConnection() As Boolean
   Dim sUID As String
   Dim sPWD As String
   Dim sServerName As String
   Dim sDatabaseName As String

        If IsConnectionSet = True Then
            RunConnection = True
            Exit Function
        End If

        sUID = "UserID"
        sPWD = "Password"
        sServerName = "ServerName"
        sDatabaseName = "DBName"
        '
        ' Clear the current connection
        '
        MakeADPConnectionless

        ' Make a new connection and connect this adp to new database.
            '
          sConnectionString = "PROVIDER=SQLOLEDB.1;PASSWORD=" & sPWD & _
         ";PERSIST SECURITY INFO=TRUE;USER ID=" & sUID & _
         ";INITIAL CATALOG=" & sDatabaseName & _
         ";DATA SOURCE=" & sServerName

        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection sConnectionString

        RunConnection = True
        IsConnectionSet = True

End Function



On 10/18/07, Darren D <darren at activebilling.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Anita et al
>
> Thanks for the response
>
> Excellent - it got me one step closer
>
> Now I am unable to get the SQL Server properties dialogue box to come up
>
> You know the one  -
> http://www.blueclaw-db.com/website_database_connections/udl.gif
>
> Even when I Include a tool bar with the "File | Connection" item from the
> FILE
> tool bar
>
> I can see the tool bar I added - but when I click It nothing happens - no
> dialogue at all
>
> I have even set up a Macro (RunCommand | ConnectDatabase) still won't work
>
> I even set it up to work via code - Still no joy
>
> Any reason why that dialogue will appear in full blown access but not in
> the
> runtime?
>
> It all hangs on this little bit - If I can get that Dialogue to appear - I
> think
> it will be deliverable
>
> Darren
> -----------------
> T: 1300 301 731
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2007 1:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Data Project (ADP) and Access Runtime
>
> Darren,
> I normally run a function before I ship my database to make sure that the
> adp has no connection string. I run this from the debug window:
> MakeADPConnectionless
> IsConnectionSet = False
>
> You should then be able to set the connection on open of the adp.
>
> This is the function I use to remove the current connection:
>
> Public Function MakeADPConnectionless() As Boolean
>        ' Close the connection.
>        Application.CurrentProject.CloseConnection
>
>        ' Set the connection to nothing.
>        Application.CurrentProject.OpenConnection
>
>        ' Set the flag...
>        MakeADPConnectionless = True
> End Function
>
> The Shift Key won't work in runtime mode.
>
> Anita
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From joeo at appoli.com  Fri Oct 19 07:09:32 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
References: <200710190531.l9J5Uw7b021294@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3A26@exch1.Onappsad.net>

A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
snags to be avoided?

Joe O'Connell




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 19 08:08:35 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:08:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
Message-ID: <380-220071051913835333@M2W021.mail2web.com>

Joe:

I set up an application to support multiple languages through tables but
that's for the static labels and command button captions.

As you describe it, I don't think you have to do anything to your program. 
What goes into the two memo fields  is up to the user. So it's transparent
to your program what they're putting in there.  

What kind of problems are you anticipating?

The only thing I can think of that might be a convenience for the user is,
when the Spanish memo field gets the focus, you change the keyboard to
Spanish so they get the accents and tilde - stuff specific to the SPanish
language keyboard.  When it loses the focus, change the keyboard back to
English.

Regards,

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joe O'Connell joeo at appoli.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:32 -0400
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text


A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
snags to be avoided?

Joe O'Connell


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From joeo at appoli.com  Fri Oct 19 08:16:25 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:16:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
References: <380-220071051913835333@M2W021.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3A27@exch1.Onappsad.net>

Thanks Rocky.  Do you know how to change the keyboard to Spanish?

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text

Joe:

I set up an application to support multiple languages through tables but
that's for the static labels and command button captions.

As you describe it, I don't think you have to do anything to your
program. 
What goes into the two memo fields  is up to the user. So it's
transparent
to your program what they're putting in there.  

What kind of problems are you anticipating?

The only thing I can think of that might be a convenience for the user
is,
when the Spanish memo field gets the focus, you change the keyboard to
Spanish so they get the accents and tilde - stuff specific to the
SPanish
language keyboard.  When it loses the focus, change the keyboard back to
English.

Regards,

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joe O'Connell joeo at appoli.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:32 -0400
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text


A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
snags to be avoided?

Joe O'Connell


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 08:05:40 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:05:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
References: <200710190531.l9J5Uw7b021294@databaseadvisors.com>
	<AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3A26@exch1.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <008801c81251$ec361f40$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Rocky has an app with multiple languages and we even wrote about it. If I 
can find the article still on my hard drive, I'll send it to you privately.

Susan H.


>A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
> English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
> need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
> two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
> snags to be avoided?
>



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 19 08:39:24 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:39:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text
Message-ID: <380-220071051913392470@M2W017.mail2web.com>

Never done that Joe.  It's controlled by WIndows so I'm guessing that it's
probably an API call. Someone here will know, though.

ROcky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joe O'Connell joeo at appoli.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:16:25 -0400
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text


Thanks Rocky.  Do you know how to change the keyboard to Spanish?

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:09 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text

Joe:

I set up an application to support multiple languages through tables but
that's for the static labels and command button captions.

As you describe it, I don't think you have to do anything to your
program. 
What goes into the two memo fields  is up to the user. So it's
transparent
to your program what they're putting in there.  

What kind of problems are you anticipating?

The only thing I can think of that might be a convenience for the user
is,
when the Spanish memo field gets the focus, you change the keyboard to
Spanish so they get the accents and tilde - stuff specific to the
SPanish
language keyboard.  When it loses the focus, change the keyboard back to
English.

Regards,

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Joe O'Connell joeo at appoli.com
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 08:09:32 -0400
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Storing English and Spanish text


A new application has two memo fields in a table.  One will store only
English text, and the other will store only Spanish text.  There is no
need to mix languages in either memo field.  I have never worked with
two languages before.  Has anyone else done this?  Any hints, tips or
snags to be avoided?

Joe O'Connell


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct 19 09:11:35 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 09:11:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


	When insults had class 
	"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I
admire." -- 
	Winston Churchill 
	
	"A modest little person, with much to be modest about." -- 
	Winston Churchill 
	
	"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with

	great pleasure." -- 
	Clarence Darrow 
	
	"He has never been known to use a word that might send a 
	reader to the dictionary." -- 
	William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway)
	
	"Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from 
	big words?" 
	-- Ernest Hemingway (about William Faulkner)
	
	"Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no 
	time reading it." -- 
	Moses Hadas 
	
	"He can compress the most words into the smallest idea of any 
	man I know." -- 
	Abraham Lincoln 
	
	"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But this wasn't it." --

	Groucho Marx 
	
	"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying 
	I approved of it." -- 
	Mark Twain 
	
	"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends."
-- 
	Oscar Wilde 
	
	"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play, 
	bring a friend... if you have one." -- 
	George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill 
	
	"Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if
there 
	is one." --
	Winston Churchill, in response 
	
	"I feel so miserable without you, it's almost like having you 
	here." -- 
	Stephen Bishop 
	
	"He is a self-made man and worships his creator." -- 
	John Bright 
	
	"I've just learned about his illness. Let's hope it's nothing
	trivial." -- 
	Irvin S. Cobb 
	
	"He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in 
	others." --
	Samuel Johnson 
	
	"He is simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up." --
	Paul Keating 
	
	"He had delusions of adequacy." -- Walter Kerr 
	
	"There's nothing wrong with you that reincarnation won't cure."
-- 
	Jack E. Leonard 
	
	"He has the attention span of a lightning bolt." -- 
	Robert Redford 
	
	"They never open their mouths without subtracting from the 
	sum of human knowledge." -- 
	Thomas Brackett Reed 
	
	"He inherited some good instincts from his Quaker forebears,
	but by diligent hard work, he overcame them." -- 
	James Reston (about Richard Nixon) 
	
	"In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded
easily." -- 
	Charles, Count Talleyrand
	
	"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him." -- 
	Forrest Tucker 
	
	"Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any 
	address on it?" -- 
	Mark Twain 
	
	"His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork." -- 
	Mae West 
	
	"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever
	they go." -- 
	Oscar Wilde 
	
	"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for 
	support rather than illumination."
	-- Andrew Lang (1844-1912) 
	
	"He has Van Gogh's ear for music." -- 
	Billy Wilder 
	



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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Fri Oct 19 09:27:02 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:27:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
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Thank you all
I did uncheck AutoCorrect and trace.  When I opened it today it kept the
last date.  
It also seemed to open quicker without going into a trance 

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-----Original Message-----

> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Reuben Cummings
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 01:26 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2k - changes item create dates when opening
> 
> I think it's something you're going to have to deal with.
> 
> A2K has done this for ever.  In fact, just to check, I looked 
> at the objects in an app I am currently working on.  I have 
> been building this app since about 2000.  It was started in 
> A2K and is still in A2K.  When I get ready for some "major" 
> revisions I always make a copy  and start from there.
> 
> The forms, reports, modules, and table links objects in this 
> app are now dated 10-11-2007 unless I have worked on them 
> since the 11th.  In that case they show the proper dates.
> 
> Queries and local tables keep the actual create and modify date.
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
>




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:11:24 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:11:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>

Only one more to add, that readily comes to mind:

"This is a book not to be put lightly aside, but rather flung, with great
vigor."

Arthur


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 19 11:24:21 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:24:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701c8126c$82217da0$647aa8c0@M90>

Is that one of yours?

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:11 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Only one more to add, that readily comes to mind:

"This is a book not to be put lightly aside, but rather flung, with great
vigor."

Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:32:52 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:32:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <001701c8126c$82217da0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<001701c8126c$82217da0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710190932j41a3c65bn1336110a31727e4a@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.

On 10/19/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Is that one of yours?
>
> ;-)
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:42:23 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:42:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190932j41a3c65bn1336110a31727e4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009001c8126f$082484e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

What is TCP divided by PI?
Max
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Yes.

On 10/19/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Is that one of yours?
>
> ;-)
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:47:44 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:47:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <009001c8126f$082484e0$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <29f585dd0710190932j41a3c65bn1336110a31727e4a@mail.gmail.com>
	<009001c8126f$082484e0$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710190947n11fcd198qf320539533ad7e36@mail.gmail.com>

Seven.

On 10/19/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What is TCP divided by PI?
> Max
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:53:25 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:53:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190947n11fcd198qf320539533ad7e36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009401c81270$9d9f2970$8119fea9@LTVM>

How di you arrive at that answer?
Max
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Seven.

On 10/19/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What is TCP divided by PI?
> Max
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 11:59:16 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 12:59:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <009401c81270$9d9f2970$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <29f585dd0710190947n11fcd198qf320539533ad7e36@mail.gmail.com>
	<009401c81270$9d9f2970$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710190959t21a5c89dk7e0bbc9149c186d1@mail.gmail.com>

I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

On 10/19/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How di you arrive at that answer?
> Max
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 12:13:08 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 18:13:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190959t21a5c89dk7e0bbc9149c186d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c81273$566b22e0$8119fea9@LTVM>

No, serious.  Intel are running a competition and I need the answer to open
the safe.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 5:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

I could tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

On 10/19/07, max.wanadoo at gmail.com <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How di you arrive at that answer?
> Max
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct 19 13:19:19 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 13:19:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF56@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al> <29f585dd0710190911kd25fe0esea1a3aced21a22fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF5A@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I forgot one of my favorites:
"God in His infinite wisdom brought these two people together so that
two people instead of four would be miserable."
-anon
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Only one more to add, that readily comes to mind:

"This is a book not to be put lightly aside, but rather flung, with
great
vigor."

Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 19 13:33:11 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:33:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class
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And then in his infinite wisdom, he had them read Arthur's book to
concentrate the misery even further. 


John W. Colby
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www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class


I forgot one of my favorites:
"God in His infinite wisdom brought these two people together so that two
people instead of four would be miserable."
-anon
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 11:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Friday Humor - When Insults Had Class

Only one more to add, that readily comes to mind:

"This is a book not to be put lightly aside, but rather flung, with great
vigor."

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Oct 20 00:22:31 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 15:22:31 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 menus
Message-ID: <000a01c812d9$383f39d0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Struggling a bit to get an app ready for distribution in 2007. 

>From what I have read from posts to our list and on msdn and web, I cannot 'remove' the Office Fluent Ribbon, and I can not have menus. When I import menus from otehr databases, they appear under the 'Add Ins' area which is a bit unfriendly for a client.

What I want is for certain forms and reports to use specific menus.  I am wondering how everyone else is handling this........

I tried customising the QAT for 'this database only' - i thought that might be the way to go, but then this database gets all of the options which were already there (for all databases) and the new ones I have added.

I know there are some ways to play with the Nav Pane - but has anyone found anything which is simple / looks good?

And how do I disable the shift key in 07?

tia

Kath

______________________________________
Kath Pelletti


From Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk  Sat Oct 20 05:30:34 2007
From: Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin W Reid)
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 11:30:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 menus
In-Reply-To: <000a01c812d9$383f39d0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
References: <000a01c812d9$383f39d0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
Message-ID: <E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107FF46D788@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Kath

Interesting example at http://www.pdtltd.co.uk/pdtl/technicalresources.htm
RE The ribbon. You can create your own ribbons and associate them with forms and reports etc just as normal. Takes some XML etc to do this but nothing major. I covered this in Pro Access 2007.

Watch the wrap here

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=291704cb-655a-491f-8089-566be7d2e9b0&displaylang=en

good developer tool for this from
http://pschmid.net/index.php

I helped the beta on this and it makes sth eentire ribbon customisation fairly painless.

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2006/07/13/customizing-the-new-access-ui.aspx

Some good tips here re Access 2007 and users

http://allenbrowne.com/ser-69.html


Martin


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Tel : 02890974465
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk



From kp at sdsonline.net  Sat Oct 20 18:37:33 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:37:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 menus
References: <000a01c812d9$383f39d0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>
	<E59F7B6A13672C408C58831FF0622B3107FF46D788@EX2K7-VIRT-1.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <001f01c81372$310ec470$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

thanks so much for those links Martin -

Kath

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From: "Martin W Reid" <Mwp.Reid at qub.ac.uk>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 menus


> Kath
>
> Interesting example at http://www.pdtltd.co.uk/pdtl/technicalresources.htm
> RE The ribbon. You can create your own ribbons and associate them with 
> forms and reports etc just as normal. Takes some XML etc to do this but 
> nothing major. I covered this in Pro Access 2007.
>
> Watch the wrap here
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=291704cb-655a-491f-8089-566be7d2e9b0&displaylang=en
>
> good developer tool for this from
> http://pschmid.net/index.php
>
> I helped the beta on this and it makes sth eentire ribbon customisation 
> fairly painless.
>
> http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2006/07/13/customizing-the-new-access-ui.aspx
>
> Some good tips here re Access 2007 and users
>
> http://allenbrowne.com/ser-69.html
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> Queen's University
> Riddel Hall
> 185 Stranmillis Road
> Belfast
> BT9 5EE
> Tel : 02890974465
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Sun Oct 21 01:42:56 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 07:42:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <20071018125542.613AC4E7A0@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25>

Ok, no takers. So, next question is can anyone suggest a UK outfit who would
be interested (and are good)?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 18 October 2007 13:56
> To: Dba
> Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> For the past few years I've been developing a large ERP-style 
> Access app for a company in Peterborough. This company has 
> recently been taken over and whilst the new owners like and 
> value the app they do not like feeling so exposed on the 
> support front, i.e. what happens if I go under a bus or, more 
> prosaically, when I go on holiday. Reasonable enough really. 
> I've therefore been tasked with finding a software house who 
> will spend a few days with me to understand as much as 
> practically possible about the system and then will act as 
> second-line support when I'm unavailable. Does anyone out 
> there in the UK a) have any interest in taking this on, and 
> b) have any experience of similar operations for other 
> systems? Reasonable proximity to Peterborough would be a big 
> advantage, but if not then preparedness to travel here as and 
> when necessary would I'm sure be acceptable.
> 
> Any interested parties please email me off-list at 
> andy at minstersystems.co.uk .
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Oct 21 07:32:08 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 05:32:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>

If you went a little more global than the UK you would get a better
response. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Ok, no takers. So, next question is can anyone suggest a UK outfit who would
be interested (and are good)?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 18 October 2007 13:56
> To: Dba
> Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> For the past few years I've been developing a large ERP-style 
> Access app for a company in Peterborough. This company has 
> recently been taken over and whilst the new owners like and 
> value the app they do not like feeling so exposed on the 
> support front, i.e. what happens if I go under a bus or, more 
> prosaically, when I go on holiday. Reasonable enough really. 
> I've therefore been tasked with finding a software house who 
> will spend a few days with me to understand as much as 
> practically possible about the system and then will act as 
> second-line support when I'm unavailable. Does anyone out 
> there in the UK a) have any interest in taking this on, and 
> b) have any experience of similar operations for other 
> systems? Reasonable proximity to Peterborough would be a big 
> advantage, but if not then preparedness to travel here as and 
> when necessary would I'm sure be acceptable.
> 
> Any interested parties please email me off-list at 
> andy at minstersystems.co.uk .
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> ________________________________________________
> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 21 10:25:19 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:25:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
	<063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <001701c813f6$979ed2f0$647aa8c0@M90>

Apparently the company wants or needs them to come onsite. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:32 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

If you went a little more global than the UK you would get a better
response. 

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Ok, no takers. So, next question is can anyone suggest a UK outfit who would
be interested (and are good)?

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 18 October 2007 13:56
> To: Dba
> Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> For the past few years I've been developing a large ERP-style Access 
> app for a company in Peterborough. This company has recently been 
> taken over and whilst the new owners like and value the app they do 
> not like feeling so exposed on the support front, i.e. what happens if 
> I go under a bus or, more prosaically, when I go on holiday. 
> Reasonable enough really.
> I've therefore been tasked with finding a software house who will 
> spend a few days with me to understand as much as practically possible 
> about the system and then will act as second-line support when I'm 
> unavailable. Does anyone out there in the UK a) have any interest in 
> taking this on, and
> b) have any experience of similar operations for other systems? 
> Reasonable proximity to Peterborough would be a big advantage, but if 
> not then preparedness to travel here as and when necessary would I'm 
> sure be acceptable.
> 
> Any interested parties please email me off-list at 
> andy at minstersystems.co.uk .
> 
> Cheers
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> ________________________________________________
> Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Sun Oct 21 11:40:53 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 11:40:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <001701c813f6$979ed2f0$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25><063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001701c813f6$979ed2f0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <02c401c81401$2909cc90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business expense :o)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 10:25 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Apparently the company wants or needs them to come onsite. 




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 21 11:48:56 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:48:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
Message-ID: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

 
Dear List:
 
In A2K I turned off the standard menu bar by changing the MenuBar property
of the database to False.  This property doesn't seem to be present in A2K3.
How do I turn off the menu bar?
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 11:59:00 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 12:59:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <02c401c81401$2909cc90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <024b01c813ad$9d514c80$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
	<063B9915FD1F469889EC8018F3312CCF@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<001701c813f6$979ed2f0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<02c401c81401$2909cc90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710210959k1ee17690te38679afa4f0df2b@mail.gmail.com>

I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN dollar soaring
past its American counterpart, it's no doubt cheaper to fly from here to
Peterborough.

A.

On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business expense
> :o)
>


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 12:15:42 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:15:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A Problem with Static Functions
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710211015i47097d9ei2b873074d559fcb3@mail.gmail.com>

As regulars here well know, I'm a big fan of static functions. But I
recently came across a situation in which the conventional use of statics
didn't work, because they hide the value of interest within themselves, so
two static functions cannot share a single value.

This concerns an implementation of PushDir and PopDir. I ended up writing it
like this. I invite revisions.

<code>
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit
Global DirName_glb As String

Sub PushD()
    DirName_glb = CurDir
    Debug.Print "Current Directory: " & DirName_glb
End Sub

Sub PopD()
    ChDir DirName_glb
    Debug.Print "Back to Directory: " & DirName_glb
End Sub

Sub TestPushPop()
    PushD
    ChDir "c:\Apps"
    Debug.Print "New directory: " & CurDir
    PopD
End Sub
</code>

TIA,
Arthur


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 21 17:38:58 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 15:38:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
Message-ID: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

John:
 
I used your Error Handler to make error traps for all the modules in
E-Z-MRP. Worked really slick.

I'm trying to do the same for another app and I thought I imported all of
the necessary stuff but I'm getting a compile error in the new app
C2DbErrHndlrBldr, module ccFillUsrProc, line:
 
Case vbext_pk_Get
 
The error is variable not defined.  I can't figure out what I'm missing. Is
it DIMmed in another module?  Or is it a constant my new app's not seeing?
E-Z-MRP compiles OK so I know the new app is missing something.

Do you know what it might be?

Thanks and regards,
 
Rocky
 


 	
	



From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Sun Oct 21 22:11:49 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:11:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710212011r4e41b712y9b33aa96d9beb595@mail.gmail.com>

Rodky,
Try
    DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo
Anita


On 10/22/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> In A2K I turned off the standard menu bar by changing the MenuBar property
> of the database to False.  This property doesn't seem to be present in
> A2K3.
> How do I turn off the menu bar?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 21 23:24:22 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 21:24:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <c5e112ad0710212011r4e41b712y9b33aa96d9beb595@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<c5e112ad0710212011r4e41b712y9b33aa96d9beb595@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008f01c81463$6c22b1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I ended up discovering a command somewhere on the web which seems to work:

    Application.CommandBars("menu bar").Enabled = False

Is the DoCmd a better approach?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar

Rodky,
Try
    DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo Anita


On 10/22/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Dear List:
>
> In A2K I turned off the standard menu bar by changing the MenuBar 
> property of the database to False.  This property doesn't seem to be 
> present in A2K3.
> How do I turn off the menu bar?
>
> MTIA
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
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From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Mon Oct 22 00:01:48 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 15:01:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <008f01c81463$6c22b1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <002301c81402$45499740$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<c5e112ad0710212011r4e41b712y9b33aa96d9beb595@mail.gmail.com>
	<008f01c81463$6c22b1b0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710212201y65b64351kefe6706628ef6811@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know which is better. I never knew of the other method - thanks it
might come in handy.

On 10/22/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
>
> I ended up discovering a command somewhere on the web which seems to work:
>
>    Application.CommandBars("menu bar").Enabled = False
>
> Is the DoCmd a better approach?
>
> Rocky
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Turn Off Menu Bar
>
> Rodky,
> Try
>    DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Menu Bar", acToolbarNo Anita
>
>
> On 10/22/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dear List:
> >
> > In A2K I turned off the standard menu bar by changing the MenuBar
> > property of the database to False.  This property doesn't seem to be
> > present in A2K3.
> > How do I turn off the menu bar?
> >
> > MTIA
> >
> > Rocky
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 02:12:45 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:12:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710210959k1ee17690te38679afa4f0df2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028b01c8147a$f1d7b370$e149d355@minster33c3r25>

Bit of a practicality issue there guys. If I'm off for a day and system
crashes that day....... The response that you'll be on tonight's red-eye
wouldn't go down great. Seriously though I'm disappointed that I've had
interest from your side of the pond but no-one over here. Shame.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 21 October 2007 17:59
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN 
> dollar soaring past its American counterpart, it's no doubt 
> cheaper to fly from here to Peterborough.
> 
> A.
> 
> On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> >
> > Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business 
> > expense
> > :o)
> >
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> 
> 




From carbonnb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 22 08:13:06 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:13:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
In-Reply-To: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/21/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
<rockysmolin at bchacc.com> wrote:
> John:
>
> I used your Error Handler to make error traps for all the modules in
> E-Z-MRP. Worked really slick.
>
> I'm trying to do the same for another app and I thought I imported all of
> the necessary stuff but I'm getting a compile error in the new app
> C2DbErrHndlrBldr, module ccFillUsrProc, line:
>
> Case vbext_pk_Get
>
> The error is variable not defined.  I can't figure out what I'm missing. Is
> it DIMmed in another module?  Or is it a constant my new app's not seeing?
> E-Z-MRP compiles OK so I know the new app is missing something.
>
> Do you know what it might be?

You need to set a reference to Visual Basic for Application
Extensibility Library.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 22 08:35:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:35:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003301c814b0$64ce9940$647aa8c0@M90>

It would be much easier to just download the new VB6 version from our
website.  Register than, close then reopen the FE.  It is immediately
available as a toolbar IIRC.  You will need to first click the "setup"
button of the toolbar and select the options you want and then you can start
using it.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder

On 10/21/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> John:
>
> I used your Error Handler to make error traps for all the modules in 
> E-Z-MRP. Worked really slick.
>
> I'm trying to do the same for another app and I thought I imported all 
> of the necessary stuff but I'm getting a compile error in the new app 
> C2DbErrHndlrBldr, module ccFillUsrProc, line:
>
> Case vbext_pk_Get
>
> The error is variable not defined.  I can't figure out what I'm 
> missing. Is it DIMmed in another module?  Or is it a constant my new app's
not seeing?
> E-Z-MRP compiles OK so I know the new app is missing something.
>
> Do you know what it might be?

You need to set a reference to Visual Basic for Application Extensibility
Library.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 22 08:44:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:44:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <028b01c8147a$f1d7b370$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <29f585dd0710210959k1ee17690te38679afa4f0df2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<028b01c8147a$f1d7b370$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <003401c814b1$a088dcb0$647aa8c0@M90>

Is the site available through remote desktop?  That makes maintenance from
afar much more practical, and opens up your options.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Bit of a practicality issue there guys. If I'm off for a day and system
crashes that day....... The response that you'll be on tonight's red-eye
wouldn't go down great. Seriously though I'm disappointed that I've had
interest from your side of the pond but no-one over here. Shame.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: 21 October 2007 17:59
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN dollar 
> soaring past its American counterpart, it's no doubt cheaper to fly 
> from here to Peterborough.
> 
> A.
> 
> On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> >
> > Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business 
> > expense
> > :o)
> >
> --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 22 10:02:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:02:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
In-Reply-To: <003301c814b0$64ce9940$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com>
	<003301c814b0$64ce9940$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <003101c814bc$87a984a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Thanks.  I'm already registered.  Will do that.   VB6 version is an add-on?
dll?  compatible with Access I assume.  Through 2007?

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 6:35 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder

It would be much easier to just download the new VB6 version from our
website.  Register than, close then reopen the FE.  It is immediately
available as a toolbar IIRC.  You will need to first click the "setup"
button of the toolbar and select the options you want and then you can start
using it.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 9:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder

On 10/21/07, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
wrote:
> John:
>
> I used your Error Handler to make error traps for all the modules in 
> E-Z-MRP. Worked really slick.
>
> I'm trying to do the same for another app and I thought I imported all 
> of the necessary stuff but I'm getting a compile error in the new app 
> C2DbErrHndlrBldr, module ccFillUsrProc, line:
>
> Case vbext_pk_Get
>
> The error is variable not defined.  I can't figure out what I'm 
> missing. Is it DIMmed in another module?  Or is it a constant my new 
> app's
not seeing?
> E-Z-MRP compiles OK so I know the new app is missing something.
>
> Do you know what it might be?

You need to set a reference to Visual Basic for Application Extensibility
Library.

--
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved
body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
great ride!"
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 22 11:11:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 12:11:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder
In-Reply-To: <003101c814bc$87a984a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <005801c81433$2c0a9dc0$0301a8c0@HAL9005><e04a6c920710220613x4ec94101h379b775c3a178253@mail.gmail.com><003301c814b0$64ce9940$647aa8c0@M90>
	<003101c814bc$87a984a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000001c814c6$400b4660$647aa8c0@M90>

The new version is a DLL I believe.  When I said "register" I meant the DLL.
There is a "how to use this" text file in the zip with the dll.  You
register the dll.  It is then usable with ALL of the office applications
that use the VBA editor, from inside of the VBA editor.  IOW you can use it
to insert error handlers in modules in Word, Excel, PowerPoint and of course
Access.  

The only thing to be aware of is that it will complain IF:

You open TWO office applications BEFORE attempting to use the error handler.
Essentially it cannot discover which application to hook into.  If however
you open some application, let's say Word, then open a module in Word and
insert an error handler in any function in Word, and then you open Excel,
you will be able to continue to insert error handlers in Word, but you will
not be able to insert error handlers in Excel or in fact in any Office
application opened after the first.

This is also the case (and more confusing) if you open two instances of
Access.

So the rule is, open the application that you want to insert an error
handler in.  Insert an error handler in any function.  Open any other Office
application as desired.  You will still be able to insert error handlers in
that first application.

IF you happen to open two Office applications and then want to insert an
error handler IN EITHER ONE OF THEM, you must close all but the one you want
to insert error handlers in, insert at least one error handler in that
application, and then you may open any Office application you wish and still
insert error handlers in that first application.

It appears that the error handler insertion wizard "hooks into" one and only
one instance of any Office application (specifically the editor), and if
there are more than one Office applications open before you try to use it,
it cannot figure out which to hook into.


Other than that it works wonderfully, and does not require a reference to
the VBE IDE library as the "native" version did.

BTW I did not port this to VB6 and I do not even have the source at my
finger tips, though I may be able to dig it up.  

Let me know if you have any problems.

NO IDEA whether it works with 2007.  It does work with 2003 and previous.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 11:02 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Colby's Error Handler Builder

Thanks.  I'm already registered.  Will do that.   VB6 version is an add-on?
dll?  compatible with Access I assume.  Through 2007?

Rocky



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Mon Oct 22 13:23:03 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:23:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <003401c814b1$a088dcb0$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <02d201c814d8$962a1190$e149d355@minster33c3r25>

Tis a thought you're right JC, thanks. It's not at the moment but I'll
enquire about the possibilty.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 22 October 2007 14:44
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> Is the site available through remote desktop?  That makes 
> maintenance from afar much more practical, and opens up your options.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> Bit of a practicality issue there guys. If I'm off for a day 
> and system crashes that day....... The response that you'll 
> be on tonight's red-eye wouldn't go down great. Seriously 
> though I'm disappointed that I've had interest from your side 
> of the pond but no-one over here. Shame.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur
> > Fuller
> > Sent: 21 October 2007 17:59
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> > 
> > 
> > I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN dollar
> > soaring past its American counterpart, it's no doubt cheaper to fly 
> > from here to Peterborough.
> > 
> > A.
> > 
> > On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business
> > > expense
> > > :o)
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com 
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 22 13:36:35 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:36:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
In-Reply-To: <02d201c814d8$962a1190$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
References: <003401c814b1$a088dcb0$647aa8c0@M90>
	<02d201c814d8$962a1190$e149d355@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <000a01c814da$7a5d73b0$647aa8c0@M90>

LOL.  Also makes YOUR maintenance from afar much more practical.  

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 2:23 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers

Tis a thought you're right JC, thanks. It's not at the moment but I'll
enquire about the possibilty.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 22 October 2007 14:44
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> 
> Is the site available through remote desktop?  That makes maintenance 
> from afar much more practical, and opens up your options.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 3:13 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> 
> Bit of a practicality issue there guys. If I'm off for a day and 
> system crashes that day....... The response that you'll be on 
> tonight's red-eye wouldn't go down great. Seriously though I'm 
> disappointed that I've had interest from your side of the pond but 
> no-one over here. Shame.
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> > Fuller
> > Sent: 21 October 2007 17:59
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Attention UK developers
> > 
> > 
> > I was thinking exactly the same thing, John! And with the CDN dollar 
> > soaring past its American counterpart, it's no doubt cheaper to fly 
> > from here to Peterborough.
> > 
> > A.
> > 
> > On 10/21/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Great excuse to travel and be able to write it off as a business 
> > > expense
> > > :o)
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Oct 22 21:34:52 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:34:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
Message-ID: <200710230234.l9N2Yktl031341@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD



From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 04:55:26 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:55:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

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From kp at sdsonline.net  Tue Oct 23 06:10:49 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:10:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
References: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002101c81565$5f69d270$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

Andy - I have some previous posts on this topic - I will foward to you 
offline,

Kath
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Dba" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes


> Morning campers
>
> Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.
>
> So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
> construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also 
> read
> from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
> out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
> Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
> have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it 
> looks
> like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 23 06:11:11 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:11:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <s71df2f5.069@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments, calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose. 

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 





From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 23 06:31:02 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:31:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710230234.l9N2Yktl031341@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <04E25951408A4DFDBA46AD6E545EDC6F@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 06:41:18 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:41:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <20071023114122.6B54C2B9ECD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Interesting advice as always Gustav. The full list of what I need to do is
(I think):

- construct email, address it (to, CC and/or BCC) and add attachments
- optionally send the email or open it in email client for previewing,
editing and further addressing

Separately I also need to extract Access contact data nd write to address
books.

Does this sound feasible without talking to Notes itself? If so any
suggestions where I'd go to read more on this?

Andy


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 11:13


Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments,
calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and
you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other
proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose.

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's
account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems
offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 23 07:02:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 08:02:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <003501c8156c$a5100180$647aa8c0@M90>

Watcha wanna use Lotus Notes for?

;-) 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:55 AM
To: Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes

Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 07:34:38 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:34:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <20071023123442.353AE4C077@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Pretty hard to resist eh? :-)

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 12:06


Watcha wanna use Lotus Notes for?

;-)


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:55 AM
To: Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes

Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 23 07:56:50 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:56:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <s71e0bc2.084@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

Yes, that is doable. Marty and others have posted several code snippets how to handle the CDOSYS dll.
In the archives you can look up cdosys for these months:

2007-08
2006-07
2006-06
2006-02
2005-11

If you can accept to install external controls you may look for BLAT (which I haven't used) or those that I prefer and is much faster to work with than CDOSYS, the controls from Chilkat, though not free:

http://www.chilkatsoft.com/products.asp 

Note the IMAP component.
Also, the support is excellent.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 13:41 >>>
Interesting advice as always Gustav. The full list of what I need to do is
(I think):

- construct email, address it (to, CC and/or BCC) and add attachments
- optionally send the email or open it in email client for previewing,
editing and further addressing

Separately I also need to extract Access contact data nd write to address
books.

Does this sound feasible without talking to Notes itself? If so any
suggestions where I'd go to read more on this?

Andy


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 11:13


Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments,
calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and
you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other
proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose.

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's
account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems
offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 





From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 09:58:10 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:58:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Message-ID: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

I'll look into it. Thanks Gustav.
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 13:00


Hi Andy

Yes, that is doable. Marty and others have posted several code snippets how
to handle the CDOSYS dll.
In the archives you can look up cdosys for these months:

2007-08
2006-07
2006-06
2006-02
2005-11

If you can accept to install external controls you may look for BLAT (which
I haven't used) or those that I prefer and is much faster to work with than
CDOSYS, the controls from Chilkat, though not free:

http://www.chilkatsoft.com/products.asp

Note the IMAP component.
Also, the support is excellent.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 13:41 >>>
Interesting advice as always Gustav. The full list of what I need to do is
(I think):

- construct email, address it (to, CC and/or BCC) and add attachments
- optionally send the email or open it in email client for previewing,
editing and further addressing

Separately I also need to extract Access contact data nd write to address
books.

Does this sound feasible without talking to Notes itself? If so any
suggestions where I'd go to read more on this?

Andy


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 11:13


Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments,
calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and
you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other
proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose.

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's
account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems
offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 23 12:20:26 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:20:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01ce01c81599$00b4d610$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Andy,
I have had a system in place that does this for about 7 years now. This was
originally set up when GroupWise was the corp. mail system. They are now
converting to MS Exchange/Outlook. I also have it working with Lotus Notes
on another site. I went around the corp. mail system as Gustav suggests. I
didn't use the same software but that is somewhat irrelevant to my comments.

One item of concern I'd like to point out if using a separate system to
process email is the network/email/gateway security systems in place.
Occasionally my system quits working properly. The reason always has been
that the IT staff has changed their gateway security settings and not my
system's configuration settings. This is usually a port number change and
takes all of 2 minutes so it's never been a big issue.

Best of luck,
John B




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Oct 23 12:59:47 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:59:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <01ce01c81599$00b4d610$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000001c8159e$852ec4f0$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Thanks for the input John.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 23 October 2007 18:20
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
> 
> 
> Andy,
> I have had a system in place that does this for about 7 years 
> now. This was originally set up when GroupWise was the corp. 
> mail system. They are now converting to MS Exchange/Outlook. 
> I also have it working with Lotus Notes on another site. I 
> went around the corp. mail system as Gustav suggests. I 
> didn't use the same software but that is somewhat irrelevant 
> to my comments.
> 
> One item of concern I'd like to point out if using a separate 
> system to process email is the network/email/gateway security 
> systems in place. Occasionally my system quits working 
> properly. The reason always has been that the IT staff has 
> changed their gateway security settings and not my system's 
> configuration settings. This is usually a port number change 
> and takes all of 2 minutes so it's never been a big issue.
> 
> Best of luck,
> John B
> 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 23 13:21:52 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:21:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
References: <20071023095529.6DB8A4CB3C@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005801c815a1$9675ce40$6b706c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>

...have you looked at the FMS Access e-mailer solution? ...its a plug-in, 
works smoothly, gets updated frequently, has good support, and is Notes 
compatible ...as with all FMS products you pay for quality but I've always 
found it money well spent.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
To: "Dba" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:55 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes


> Morning campers
>
> Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.
>
> So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
> construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also 
> read
> from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
> out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
> Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
> have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it 
> looks
> like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 23 14:47:00 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 15:47:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sure wish it was Friday
Message-ID: <005d01c815ad$7aa57b50$647aa8c0@M90>

http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

John W. Colby
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct 23 18:45:07 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:45:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sure wish it was Friday
In-Reply-To: <005d01c815ad$7aa57b50$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2ADFED6@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

That was great...and so true!  (You could say the same for Microsoft's
OS cycle... ;) )

Drew

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http://www.misterbg.org/AppleProductCycle/

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Oct 23 20:29:17 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 21:29:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Sure wish it was Friday
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LOL, yea maybe.  MS has fanboys but not like Apple. 


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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sure wish it was Friday

That was great...and so true!  (You could say the same for Microsoft's OS
cycle... ;) )

Drew

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct 24 02:23:01 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:23:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <005801c815a1$9675ce40$6b706c4c@JISREGISTRATION.local>
Message-ID: <002001c8160e$b67c1ec0$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Thanks William. Another possibility I didn't know about.

-- Andy Lacey
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> William Hindman
> Sent: 23 October 2007 19:22
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
> 
> 
> ...have you looked at the FMS Access e-mailer solution? 
> ...its a plug-in, 
> works smoothly, gets updated frequently, has good support, 
> and is Notes 
> compatible ...as with all FMS products you pay for quality 
> but I've always 
> found it money well spent.
> 
> William
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Andy Lacey" <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
> To: "Dba" <AccessD at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:55 AM
> Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
> 
> 
> > Morning campers
> >
> > Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not 
> my choice.
> >
> > So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to 
> > construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I 
> > also read from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser 
> concern. What 
> > I need to find out is how I'd do the same if we go from 
> > Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino. Do any of you heroes have any 
> > experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or have any good 
> ideas where 
> > to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
> > like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.
> >
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 04:22:24 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:22:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00ae01c8161f$63fc5e60$8119fea9@LTVM>

 
Hi Andy,

Nothing to do with  Lotus Notes per se, but I have just written a CDO email
system for bulk emails (Access 2003).
Your welcome to a copy if it  would help.  It is  not super-duper stuff and
I  have only used it in test mode.  I will be using it for real next week.

I was tempted to offer some help but as I am in Derby it is a bit far to
cover Peterborough.
Regards
Max


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 3:58 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes

I'll look into it. Thanks Gustav.
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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 13:00


Hi Andy

Yes, that is doable. Marty and others have posted several code snippets how
to handle the CDOSYS dll.
In the archives you can look up cdosys for these months:

2007-08
2006-07
2006-06
2006-02
2005-11

If you can accept to install external controls you may look for BLAT (which
I haven't used) or those that I prefer and is much faster to work with than
CDOSYS, the controls from Chilkat, though not free:

http://www.chilkatsoft.com/products.asp

Note the IMAP component.
Also, the support is excellent.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 13:41 >>>
Interesting advice as always Gustav. The full list of what I need to do is
(I think):

- construct email, address it (to, CC and/or BCC) and add attachments
- optionally send the email or open it in email client for previewing,
editing and further addressing

Separately I also need to extract Access contact data nd write to address
books.

Does this sound feasible without talking to Notes itself? If so any
suggestions where I'd go to read more on this?

Andy


--------- Original Message --------
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To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
Date: 23/10/07 11:13


Hi Andy

Your situation illustrates why we never user Outlook - in all its varieties.

If all you do is "construct, address and send emails" (no appointments,
calendar etc.), all you need is to have an SMTP server at your service, and
you can use a generic approach independent of Notes, Exhange or other
proprietary mail server. Windows offers the component CDO for this purpose.

If a copy of the outgoing mails are needed for the user, just add the user's
account as blind copy.

If you need to look up addresses in the client's mail system, most systems
offer an LDAP interface.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 23-10-2007 11:55 >>>
Morning campers

Please no "watcha want to use Lotus Notes for" answers. Not my choice.

So the thing is my mega-app uses the Outlook object model a lot to
construct, address and send emails, with or without attachments. I also read
from incoming emails too, but that's a lesser concern. What I need to find
out is how I'd do the same if we go from Outlook/Exchange to Notes/Domino.
Do any of you heroes have any experience interfacing to Notes with VBA, or
have any good ideas where to look? I've found a couple of links and it looks
like it can be done but some help and guidance would be great.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 24 08:43:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:43:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
Message-ID: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 24 08:55:50 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:55:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

I have friends in Del Mar too and they've been evacuated for the past 36
hours. It's a treacherous situation but what they need is more firefighters,
not "more than firefighters". Prayers? Don't get me started.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From John.Clark at niagaracounty.com  Wed Oct 24 08:55:27 2007
From: John.Clark at niagaracounty.com (John Clark)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:55:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>

Rocky contacted OT and said that he and his family evacuated, the night before last. He went back yesterday, and wrote while he was there, and his house was still OK at that point.
 
 
 
John W. Clark
Computer Programmer 
Niagara County
Central Data Processing
         


>>> "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> 10/24/2007 9:43 AM >>>
For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 24 09:05:21 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:05:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <000001c81646$eb0c41f0$697aa8c0@M90>

>Prayers? Don't get me started.

LOL, I don't want to get you started.  But when the winds are gusting to 80
miles an hour, fire fighters are helpless.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

I have friends in Del Mar too and they've been evacuated for the past 36
hours. It's a treacherous situation but what they need is more firefighters,
not "more than firefighters". Prayers? Don't get me started.

Lambert

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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 09:13:49 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:13:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <00ae01c8161f$63fc5e60$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <20071023145816.02C6E4E0BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<00ae01c8161f$63fc5e60$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <004501c81648$1aab00d0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

How far would that actually be? 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com

I was tempted to offer some help but as I am in Derby it is a bit far to
cover Peterborough.




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 09:13:49 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:13:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D6@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <004401c81648$1a78f450$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Its Wednesday - let's not start a "fire" of our own here - please.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert

Prayers? Don't get me started.




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 09:28:43 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:28:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <004501c81648$1aab00d0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <004801c8164a$2ea16820$8119fea9@LTVM>

About 75 miles.  With good traffic, about 1 hr 45 mins to 2 hrs.

Guess that doesn't sound a lot for USA, but with our roads and traffic, it
can be tortuous!

Max 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:14 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes

How far would that actually be? 

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max.wanadoo at gmail.com

I was tempted to offer some help but as I am in Derby it is a bit far to
cover Peterborough.


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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 09:32:34 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:32:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
	<471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710240732n21d5dbbehe5dc05d0a91efb7c@mail.gmail.com>

Yes as John said, Rocky and his family evacuated and then were given
the OK to go back home. Last heard from him about 11pm last night so
he could have been evacuated again by now. He said that the cars were
still loaded and ready to leave quickly. He described needing to wear
a mask and goggles if you went outside.

Best of luck to everyone in the area. You are all welcome to come to
Minnesota. We have had lots of rain here over the past two months. We
just had 4 days without rain which they said was the first time in 51
days that had happened.

OK. Back to Access talk now ;-)

GK

On 10/24/07, John Clark <John.Clark at niagaracounty.com> wrote:
> Rocky contacted OT and said that he and his family evacuated, the night before last. He went back yesterday, and wrote while he was there, and his house was still OK at that point.
>
>
>
> John W. Clark
> Computer Programmer
> Niagara County
> Central Data Processing
>
>
>
> >>> "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> 10/24/2007 9:43 AM >>>
> For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
> square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
> sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
> tell.
>
> Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
> Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
> your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
> fire?
>
> Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
> firefighters to put this thing out.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 24 09:32:54 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:32:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
	<471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703A6F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Thanks for letting us know that.  I know others in the area who think
they've lost their homes but can't find out for sure right now.  It is
such a shame, but also one of the known hazards of the area.  We'll keep
Rocky and his family in our thoughts, certainly.  If there is anything
we could do to help, I hope he knows he can call on us.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

Rocky contacted OT and said that he and his family evacuated, the night
before last. He went back yesterday, and wrote while he was there, and
his house was still OK at that point.
 
 
 
John W. Clark
Computer Programmer
Niagara County
Central Data Processing
         


>>> "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> 10/24/2007 9:43 AM >>>
For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end
in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway
from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by
this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 24 09:50:58 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:50:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71DA@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

No denying that!

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


>Prayers? Don't get me started.

LOL, I don't want to get you started.  But when the winds are gusting to 80
miles an hour, fire fighters are helpless.  

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:56 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

I have friends in Del Mar too and they've been evacuated for the past 36
hours. It's a treacherous situation but what they need is more firefighters,
not "more than firefighters". Prayers? Don't get me started.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 24 09:59:06 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:59:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to evacuate.  Didn't
know if the fires would get to the coast but it was predicted.  There's
really no way to stop a fire in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters
can't go up.  It came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al
the maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/

It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 and 10 percent.
Bu, unless something changes radically, we're going to unpack today.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 10:01:03 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:01:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950710240732n21d5dbbehe5dc05d0a91efb7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90><471F1685.167F.006B.0@niagaracounty.com>
	<aea6c4950710240732n21d5dbbehe5dc05d0a91efb7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901c8164e$b2810840$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Rocky just posted an update on dba-OT. They're back home now.




From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Wed Oct 24 08:59:31 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:59:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED71D8@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Certainly good news there!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires


Rocky contacted OT and said that he and his family evacuated, the night
before last. He went back yesterday, and wrote while he was there, and his
house was still OK at that point.
 
 
 
John W. Clark
Computer Programmer 
Niagara County
Central Data Processing
         


>>> "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> 10/24/2007 9:43 AM >>>
For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Wed Oct 24 10:30:10 2007
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:30:10 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
References: <004801c8164a$2ea16820$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <005001c81652$c3f23960$1800a8c0@s1800>

I understand it is just kind of safetynet, so it might not be necessary at 
all if the customer doesnt get a problem just when Any is on vacation.
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes


> About 75 miles.  With good traffic, about 1 hr 45 mins to 2 hrs.
>
> Guess that doesn't sound a lot for USA, but with our roads and traffic, it
> can be tortuous!
>
> Max
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:14 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
>
> How far would that actually be?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
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>
> I was tempted to offer some help but as I am in Derby it is a bit far to
> cover Peterborough.
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 11:23:38 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:23:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
Message-ID: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Has anyone experienced Access FE forms (2k-2k3) not refreshing properly over
a network?
 
1GB Ethernet to the BE. All other work stations work well but this
particular WS does not refresh data even when refresh is done manually with
records refresh or F9. the only way to get the new data is to close the app
and reopen it.
 
The only difference between this WS and others is that it goes through two
GB switches to get to the BE. The others go through one switch. Any ideas on
why this may be happening?
 
BTW this is not my app but I have access to the source code. The developer
has not been able to figure this out on her own.
 
TIA
John B.




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 11:28:58 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:28:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <005001c81652$c3f23960$1800a8c0@s1800>
References: <004801c8164a$2ea16820$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<005001c81652$c3f23960$1800a8c0@s1800>
Message-ID: <001a01c8165a$fac9dc60$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

If I were closer I'd seriously consider it for no other reason than being a
business partner with Andy would look good on the 'ol resume' :o)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lembit Soobik

I understand it is just kind of safetynet, so it might not be necessary at
all if the customer doesnt get a problem just when Any is on vacation.
Lembit




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 24 12:48:11 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:48:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <002101c81666$0c4c6e70$697aa8c0@M90>

I would look first at service pack stuff, both windows and office. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:24 PM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

Has anyone experienced Access FE forms (2k-2k3) not refreshing properly over
a network?
 
1GB Ethernet to the BE. All other work stations work well but this
particular WS does not refresh data even when refresh is done manually with
records refresh or F9. the only way to get the new data is to close the app
and reopen it.
 
The only difference between this WS and others is that it goes through two
GB switches to get to the BE. The others go through one switch. Any ideas on
why this may be happening?
 
BTW this is not my app but I have access to the source code. The developer
has not been able to figure this out on her own.
 
TIA
John B.


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 13:33:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:33:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 breaks AutoCorrect
Message-ID: <012a01c8166c$66fa0700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943519



I'm seeing this one all over this weekend. I'm beginning to think MS can't fix anything without breaking something else. Woody ought to be in stitches!!!



SUsan H. 


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 24 13:46:06 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:46:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <91266CC8839B4BCEA204CA8407FAA617@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Very informative... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to evacuate.  Didn't
know if the fires would get to the coast but it was predicted.  There's
really no way to stop a fire in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters
can't go up.  It came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al
the maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/

It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 and 10 percent.
Bu, unless something changes radically, we're going to unpack today.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 13:41:54 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:41:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 breaks AutoCorrect
In-Reply-To: <012a01c8166c$66fa0700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <012a01c8166c$66fa0700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710241141t34d1e8dydbb0e572abb71783@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I'll say it. You are just BEGINNING to think that NOW?  ;-)

GK

On 10/24/07, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943519
>
>
>
> I'm seeing this one all over this weekend. I'm beginning to think MS can't fix anything without breaking something else. Woody ought to be in stitches!!!
>
>
>
> SUsan H.
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 24 13:51:35 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:51:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <D625EBC6EB7941689F2BB3367A1FDF29@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Unfortunately, I can not be of much help with this but have experienced this
condition for years with a large variety of 'bound' Access sites.

Traditionally, if given the mandate, I convert the site to 'unbound' with a
MS SQL BE and the client has never had that problem afterwards.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 9:24 AM
To: _DBA-Access
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

Has anyone experienced Access FE forms (2k-2k3) not refreshing properly over
a network?
 
1GB Ethernet to the BE. All other work stations work well but this
particular WS does not refresh data even when refresh is done manually with
records refresh or F9. the only way to get the new data is to close the app
and reopen it.
 
The only difference between this WS and others is that it goes through two
GB switches to get to the BE. The others go through one switch. Any ideas on
why this may be happening?
 
BTW this is not my app but I have access to the source code. The developer
has not been able to figure this out on her own.
 
TIA
John B.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 24 13:54:29 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 11:54:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 breaks AutoCorrect
In-Reply-To: <012a01c8166c$66fa0700$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <C795DE6CAFDE4B2EB96C916D93C30E9B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thanks for the heads up... Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:34 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Office 2003 SP3 breaks AutoCorrect

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943519



I'm seeing this one all over this weekend. I'm beginning to think MS can't
fix anything without breaking something else. Woody ought to be in
stitches!!!



SUsan H. 
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Wed Oct 24 14:47:20 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:47:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From greg at worthey.com  Wed Oct 24 15:13:41 2007
From: greg at worthey.com (Greg Worthey)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:13:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>

I live in san diego.

Facts on the So Cal fires:
- has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
- 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
- most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
- 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
- information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
at best. Best mapped info is here:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
- while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
(as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
fighting fires (as if no one could help)
- Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.


While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
all. 

Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
inferno).

So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
(ie. trees and houses).

Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 24 15:22:08 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:22:08 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <008a01c8167b$8d42c190$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

What part of town do you live in?

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

I live in san diego.

Facts on the So Cal fires:
- has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
- 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
- most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
- 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
- information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
at best. Best mapped info is here:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
- while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
(as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
fighting fires (as if no one could help)
- Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.


While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
all. 

Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
inferno).

So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
(ie. trees and houses).

Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 24 16:12:22 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:12:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <008a01c8167b$8d42c190$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
	<008a01c8167b$8d42c190$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <471FB536.8010805@torchlake.com>

Hi Rocky and Greg,
My son also lives out there.  He and his family were evacuated from La 
Mesa and are "camping out" for the duration at his place of business, 
which is right near the ocean.  I am glad for my son's family's safety 
and for yours.  I am dismayed to have the sort of wild-eyed 
disinformation that Greg refers to being spread and causing panic.  Is 
there anything we can do to help promote rational thinking?
Kindest regards,
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> What part of town do you live in?
>
> Rocky
>  
>
>
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
> Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
> several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
> fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
> at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
> (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
> fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
> suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
> TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
> conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
> western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
> covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
> mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
> picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
> rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
> over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
> all. 
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
> garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
> consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
> hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
> out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
> inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
> frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
> removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
> that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
> (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
> while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 24 16:14:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <003001c81682$d3c03dd0$697aa8c0@M90>

Greg,

I was a (volunteer) firefighter up in Connecticut and completed the
Firefighter 1 training (required to go inside burning buildings).  I also
lived in San Marcos for 15 years (1980-1995) before moving on.  While you
are correct in everything you say it still doesn't paint the full picture.  

The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs.  If these
shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out.  A fully engulfed
home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
can go very quickly.  People caught in those situations can quite easily
die.  Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles
(in brush).  In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you
would think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries;
They can but all too often do not because of the winds.  Thus a single house
on fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV.  A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
the brush around them.  In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
your face.  Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
even heart attacks.  

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives.  Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line.  A
single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
their home with garden hoses.  Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

I live in san diego.

Facts on the So Cal fires:
- has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
- 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
- most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
- 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
- information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
at best. Best mapped info is here:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
- while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
(as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
fighting fires (as if no one could help)
- Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.


While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
all. 

Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
inferno).

So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
(ie. trees and houses).

Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 24 16:29:04 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:04 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <471FB536.8010805@torchlake.com>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21><008a01c8167b$8d42c190$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<471FB536.8010805@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no panic
here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks about how
orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the shelters were set
up and run efficiently, and although there were some problems in fighting
the fires, how could there not be, overall I think the operation will be
judged very successful.

I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the street
for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly upwind was a
fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in a
minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the fire
itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems prudent.  

I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single complaint
yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute information.

There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up on it
and judge for yourself.

What was your son's experience with the information and his evacuation?  

And how long can we get away with this thread before the moderators pinch
us?

Rocky

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

Hi Rocky and Greg,
My son also lives out there.  He and his family were evacuated from La Mesa
and are "camping out" for the duration at his place of business, which is
right near the ocean.  I am glad for my son's family's safety and for yours.
I am dismayed to have the sort of wild-eyed disinformation that Greg refers
to being spread and causing panic.  Is there anything we can do to help
promote rational thinking?
Kindest regards,
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> What part of town do you live in?
>
> Rocky
>  
>
>
>
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google 
> earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, 
> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for 
> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) 
> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, 
> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent 
> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Oct 24 16:34:38 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:34:38 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <006101c81685$ae1ce5d0$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

This is probably not the place to have this discussion, but I can't help but
comment.  

I live in the County of San Diego, in an area that burned in 2003.  Several
of my neighbors lost their homes. Most of the whole community of Crest, just
up the road from me lost their homes.  Several families in Muth Valley lost
members due to lack of warning.  The biggest criticism of how that fire was
handled was that people were not given adequate notice.  I am all for
getting information out and the reverse 911 system is probably the best way
to do it.  We were ready to leave for this fire but our area never got
beyond voluntary evacuation.  From my perspective, living in a fire area,
I'll take all the news I can get.

We can't control the media, but we can thank all the city, county, state
folks who have helped with this event.  If you want to see the extent of the
fires on what I think is one of the best fire reporting maps go to
http://www.kpbs.org/news/fires and click on the interactive fire map.  Great
use of a Google maps mashup.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

I live in san diego.

Facts on the So Cal fires:
- has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
- 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
- most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
- 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
- information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
at best. Best mapped info is here:
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
- while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
(as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
fighting fires (as if no one could help)
- Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.


While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
all. 

Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
inferno).

So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
(ie. trees and houses).

Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 24 16:34:50 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:34:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <003001c81682$d3c03dd0$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21>
	<003001c81682$d3c03dd0$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <471FBA7A.7060805@torchlake.com>

John,
Thanks for your thoughtful and informative discussion. 
Best regards,
Tina

jwcolby wrote:
> Greg,
>
> I was a (volunteer) firefighter up in Connecticut and completed the
> Firefighter 1 training (required to go inside burning buildings).  I also
> lived in San Marcos for 15 years (1980-1995) before moving on.  While you
> are correct in everything you say it still doesn't paint the full picture.  
>
> The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
> 70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs.  If these
> shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
> patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out.  A fully engulfed
> home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
> can go very quickly.  People caught in those situations can quite easily
> die.  Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles
> (in brush).  In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you
> would think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries;
> They can but all too often do not because of the winds.  Thus a single house
> on fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.
>
> Watch the TV.  A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
> with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
> down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.
>
> Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
> get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
> the brush around them.  In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
> provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
> them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.
>
> I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
> the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
> with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
> withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
> your face.  Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
> will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
> even heart attacks.  
>
> Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
> lives.  Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
> want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line.  A
> single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
> burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
> even for trained professionals.
>
> It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
> from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
> their home with garden hoses.  Personally I don't mind if idiots die
> (cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
> rescue the idiots.
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard for San
> Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated recording,
> several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This "perfect storm", in
> fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly fuzzy
> at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and auditoriums
> (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in all of so cal are
> fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, tout
> suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, officials are still
> TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing to do with wind
> conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out the
> western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires in scantly
> covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for wildlife, but
> mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) re people. The news
> picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno),
> rather than the prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image
> over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at
> all. 
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person with a
> garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, before they
> consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, but when an ember
> hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick garden hose can put it
> out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only try to calm the all-consuming
> inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience and
> frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, it also
> removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos due to the fact
> that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent spreading to big fuel
> (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail clippers,
> while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct 24 16:37:48 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:37:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
In-Reply-To: <001a01c8165a$fac9dc60$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <000001c81686$234bad50$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Aw shucks you flatterer. The honour would be all ine John.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 24 October 2007 17:29
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Lotus Notes
> 
> 
> If I were closer I'd seriously consider it for no other 
> reason than being a business partner with Andy would look 
> good on the 'ol resume' :o)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lembit Soobik
> 
> I understand it is just kind of safetynet, so it might not be 
> necessary at all if the customer doesnt get a problem just 
> when Any is on vacation. Lembit
> 
> 
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 19:44:48 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:44:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <D625EBC6EB7941689F2BB3367A1FDF29@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<D625EBC6EB7941689F2BB3367A1FDF29@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <002301c816a0$3eb46f90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

SQL Server would be ideal for this site as they have 3 other apps running on
it. But alas:
#1) I don't think the developer can do SQL
#2.) I don't have time to rewrite this app for them
Big #3) they wouldn't want to pay for it

:o) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

Unfortunately, I can not be of much help with this but have experienced this
condition for years with a large variety of 'bound' Access sites.

Traditionally, if given the mandate, I convert the site to 'unbound' with a
MS SQL BE and the client has never had that problem afterwards.




From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 24 19:44:48 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:44:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <002101c81666$0c4c6e70$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <001801c8165a$3be091e0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<002101c81666$0c4c6e70$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <002401c816a0$3ef98ee0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Thanks for the suggestion. I keep that stuff up to par. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby

I would look first at service pack stuff, both windows and office. 




From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 24 20:50:46 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:50:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim:

You have done a very good job... It has a very nice layout and feel to it.

Regards
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Wed Oct 24 21:44:15 2007
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 22:44:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21><008a01c8167b$8d42c190
	$0301a8c0@HAL9005><471FB536.8010805@torchlake.com>
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Hi Rocky,

My son Doug said that the smoke was a real factor.  I don't think he has 
a problem, either, with leaving the house until it is safe to come back.

My response to Greg took his information at face value.  I am not on the 
scene and cannot judge.  From what you and John Colby have since 
explained, I agree that the measures taken are rational.

I want all of you, my friends and my family, to be safe and to get 
through this very scary fire.

Kindest regards,
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no panic
> here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks about how
> orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the shelters were set
> up and run efficiently, and although there were some problems in fighting
> the fires, how could there not be, overall I think the operation will be
> judged very successful.
>
> I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
> outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the street
> for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly upwind was a
> fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
> you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in a
> minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the fire
> itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems prudent.  
>
> I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single complaint
> yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute information.
>
> There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
> makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
> bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up on it
> and judge for yourself.
>
> What was your son's experience with the information and his evacuation?  
>
> And how long can we get away with this thread before the moderators pinch
> us?
>
> Rocky
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> Hi Rocky and Greg,
> My son also lives out there.  He and his family were evacuated from La Mesa
> and are "camping out" for the duration at his place of business, which is
> right near the ocean.  I am glad for my son's family's safety and for yours.
> I am dismayed to have the sort of wild-eyed disinformation that Greg refers
> to being spread and causing panic.  Is there anything we can do to help
> promote rational thinking?
> Kindest regards,
> Tina
>
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>   
>> What part of town do you live in?
>>
>> Rocky
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  	
>> 	
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
>> Worthey
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>>
>> I live in san diego.
>>
>> Facts on the So Cal fires:
>> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
>> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
>> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
>> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
>> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
>> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
>> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
>> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
>> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
>> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google 
>> earth)
>> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
>> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
>> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
>> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, 
>> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
>> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
>> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>>
>>
>> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
>> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
>> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for 
>> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) 
>> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
>> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
>> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
>> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>>
>> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
>> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
>> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, 
>> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
>> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
>> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
>> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>>
>> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
>> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
>> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
>> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent 
>> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>>
>> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
>> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 24 23:21:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:21:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
In-Reply-To: <472002FF.1070604@torchlake.com>
References: <mailman.1.1193245201.13575.accessd@databaseadvisors.com><008301c8167a$60478460$1901a8c0@wsp21><008a01c8167b$8d42c190$0301a8c0@HAL9005><471FB536.8010805@torchlake.com><009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Well, everybody has only their personal experience.  So everybody sees it
differently.   

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007

Hi Rocky,

My son Doug said that the smoke was a real factor.  I don't think he has a
problem, either, with leaving the house until it is safe to come back.

My response to Greg took his information at face value.  I am not on the
scene and cannot judge.  From what you and John Colby have since explained,
I agree that the measures taken are rational.

I want all of you, my friends and my family, to be safe and to get through
this very scary fire.

Kindest regards,
Tina

Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
> I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no 
> panic here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and 
> weeks about how orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how 
> the shelters were set up and run efficiently, and although there were 
> some problems in fighting the fires, how could there not be, overall I 
> think the operation will be judged very successful.
>
> I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't 
> go outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the 
> street for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly
upwind was a
> fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
> you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn 
> in a minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by 
> the fire itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems
prudent.
>
> I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single 
> complaint yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute
information.
>
> There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong 
> - makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to 
> be a bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to 
> read up on it and judge for yourself.
>
> What was your son's experience with the information and his evacuation?  
>
> And how long can we get away with this thread before the moderators 
> pinch us?
>
> Rocky
>
>  	
> 	
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris 
> Fields
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 2:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> Hi Rocky and Greg,
> My son also lives out there.  He and his family were evacuated from La 
> Mesa and are "camping out" for the duration at his place of business, 
> which is right near the ocean.  I am glad for my son's family's safety and
for yours.
> I am dismayed to have the sort of wild-eyed disinformation that Greg 
> refers to being spread and causing panic.  Is there anything we can do 
> to help promote rational thinking?
> Kindest regards,
> Tina
>
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote:
>   
>> What part of town do you live in?
>>
>> Rocky
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  	
>> 	
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
>> Worthey
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
>> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
>> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>>
>> I live in san diego.
>>
>> Facts on the So Cal fires:
>> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
>> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
>> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
>> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
>> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
>> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
>> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
>> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
>> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
>> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
>> earth)
>> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
>> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
>> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
>> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on 
>> Malibu, tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
>> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
>> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>>
>>
>> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
>> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
>> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy 
>> for wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and 
>> underreaction) re people. The news picks the most impressive clips 
>> (i.e. a house or patch of trees in inferno), rather than the 
>> prevalent lowscale desert brush fire, and loops that image over and 
>> over. Most of the 1,000,000 people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>>
>> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
>> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
>> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the 
>> spot, before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of 
>> course, but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and 
>> a quick garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later 
>> can only try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>>
>> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
>> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
>> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
>> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to 
>> prevent spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>>
>> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
>> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>>
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 25 01:46:53 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:46:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem
In-Reply-To: <002301c816a0$3eb46f90$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <C1B1DC5D6D4B41F4ABDC3446DB91E792@creativesystemdesigns.com>

John it looks like a Strike three situation...

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 5:45 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

SQL Server would be ideal for this site as they have 3 other apps running on
it. But alas:
#1) I don't think the developer can do SQL
#2.) I don't have time to rewrite this app for them
Big #3) they wouldn't want to pay for it

:o) 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:52 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Data Refresh Problem

Unfortunately, I can not be of much help with this but have experienced this
condition for years with a large variety of 'bound' Access sites.

Traditionally, if given the mandate, I convert the site to 'unbound' with a
MS SQL BE and the client has never had that problem afterwards.


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 25 01:58:20 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 23:58:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <86BEC5781B124571B969B53FAE9A7A08@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Jim:

I just looked down further in your email and noticed the questions you had
posed. I have done a number of wed sites that use databases but have never
attempted the challenge with an Access DB. I have always used on the many
SQL databases and have never had that problem. What sort of WebServer are
you using? IIS or Apache?

A WebServer and a real SQL DB should be able to manage/queue multiple calls
with ease. Here is a website that has a group of tools for stress testing
web sites: http://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html

Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From greg at worthey.com  Thu Oct 25 08:52:28 2007
From: greg at worthey.com (Greg Worthey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:52:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c8170e$4986ef60$1901a8c0@wsp21>

John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should stand
in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house has any
significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a firestorm, get
out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases, homes are lost (AND
infernos grew into being) simply because no one was there to hold back small
incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing. Certainly some people stay
far too long and sometimes die--that is an error in judgment. But so is
calling everyone with a garden hose an idiot. Situations vary, but the vast
majority were FAR from any danger (much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2 million
from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4 old
people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes have
costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing happened
just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It seems they spent
all their money on the database to evac the world, and none training
volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed), the
real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions eagerly
buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems. Way too much
reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out fires. There's wasn't
even anyone left to piece together a picture of where the fires were
raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg


------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

...
The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs.  If these
shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out.  A fully engulfed
home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
can go very quickly.  People caught in those situations can quite easily
die.  Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles
(in brush).  In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you
would think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries;
They can but all too often do not because of the winds.  Thus a single house
on fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV.  A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
the brush around them.  In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
your face.  Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
even heart attacks.  

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives.  Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line.  A
single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
their home with garden hoses.  Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 08:54:33 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:54:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al> <F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


Thanks!
Any advice on how to prevent users from getting file busy errors?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

You have done a very good job... It has a very nice layout and feel to
it.

Regards
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 08:55:40 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:55:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
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Thanks
Jim hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:58 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

I just looked down further in your email and noticed the questions you
had
posed. I have done a number of wed sites that use databases but have
never
attempted the challenge with an Access DB. I have always used on the
many
SQL databases and have never had that problem. What sort of WebServer
are
you using? IIS or Apache?

A WebServer and a real SQL DB should be able to manage/queue multiple
calls
with ease. Here is a website that has a group of tools for stress
testing
web sites: http://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html

Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 09:15:09 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 15:15:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Message-ID: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. Please
take this to OT if you want to continue.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Date: 25/10/07 13:59


John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should stand
in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house has any
significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a firestorm, get
out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases, homes are lost (AND
infernos grew into being) simply because no one was there to hold back small
incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing. Certainly some people stay
far too long and sometimes die--that is an error in judgment. But so is
calling everyone with a garden hose an idiot. Situations vary, but the vast
majority were FAR from any danger (much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2 million
from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4 old
people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes have
costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing happened
just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It seems they spent
all their money on the database to evac the world, and none training
volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed), the
real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions eagerly
buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems. Way too much
reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out fires. There's wasn't
even anyone left to piece together a picture of where the fires were
raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg


------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

....
The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs. If these
shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out. A fully engulfed
home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
can go very quickly. People caught in those situations can quite easily
die. Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles
(in brush). In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you
would think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries;
They can but all too often do not because of the winds. Thus a single house
on fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV. A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
the brush around them. In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
your face. Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
even heart attacks.

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives. Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line. A
single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
their home with garden hoses. Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From lmrazek at lcm-res.com  Thu Oct 25 09:21:47 2007
From: lmrazek at lcm-res.com (Lawrence Mrazek)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:21:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <0bd901c81712$60cc96d0$066fa8c0@lcmdv8000>

Hi Jim:

How are you connecting to the db? Basically, what type of connection string
are you using? (DSNLESS, OBDC, ADO, OLEDB, etc.)

I've run sites off Access and generally haven't had any problems. You want
to make sure your recordsets only pull the data you need (avoid the "select
* from tblproduct" type statements).

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend


Thanks!
Any advice on how to prevent users from getting file busy errors?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

You have done a very good job... It has a very nice layout and feel to it.

Regards
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off the
shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access serves
as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if two users
click on the same product link at the same time one will get a "file in use"
error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous shoppers (hey I can
dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a function of Access and c) is
there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 25 09:24:47 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 07:24:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703A8B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Thanks, Andy.  It was time for that.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 7:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's
hat on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low
side. Please take this to OT if you want to continue.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Date: 25/10/07 13:59


John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should
stand in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house
has any significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a
firestorm, get out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases,
homes are lost (AND infernos grew into being) simply because no one was
there to hold back small incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing.
Certainly some people stay far too long and sometimes die--that is an
error in judgment. But so is calling everyone with a garden hose an
idiot. Situations vary, but the vast majority were FAR from any danger
(much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than
lose lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2
million from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note
that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4
old people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes
have costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing
happened just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It
seems they spent all their money on the database to evac the world, and
none training volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed),
the real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions
eagerly buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems.
Way too much reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out
fires. There's wasn't even anyone left to piece together a picture of
where the fires were raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg


------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

....
The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in
the 70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs. If
these shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and
once a patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out. A fully
engulfed home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire
neighborhoods can go very quickly. People caught in those situations can
quite easily die. Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards
or even miles (in brush). In fact this is exactly how they jump the
freeways which you would think would act as natural firebreaks and
create natural boundaries; They can but all too often do not because of
the winds. Thus a single house on fire can "cause" another house
hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV. A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home
fire with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control
and wet down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because
they get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them
and catches the brush around them. In fact firemen fighting brush fires
are often provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives
by allowing them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a
fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have
done the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training
buildings with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits
designed to withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2
inches in front of your face. Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed
burning neighborhood will die, if not from the flames and heat, then
from smoke inhalation or even heart attacks.

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than
lose lives. Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the
idiots that want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the
fire line. A single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire
or an entire burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn
deadly in seconds, even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people
die from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to
save their home with garden hoses. Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:03:20 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:03:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <00b301c8170e$4986ef60$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00b301c8170e$4986ef60$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <007901c81718$2f37d020$697aa8c0@M90>

Greg,

Give me a break!  If you evacuate a million people, then how can you say
"the only casualties were... " when you may very well have evacuated
hundreds of "would have been" casualties.  That is a non sequitur.  

The decisions to evacuate an area are not made in a vacuum.  There are
people trying to make these decisions based on information like the current
size of the fire, direction and speed of the wind, the current location of
fire crews, the number of trained firemen and equipment available,
evacuation routes, available police, available medics and other trained
emergency crews etc.  If they evacuate 1 million people, 1 million people
are inconvenienced.  If they make the wrong decision, people can and DO die!
Hmmm... inconvenience... death... inconvenience... death...

If asked to leave, people have no business staying behind.  Fighting fires
is not the job of the guy next door.  It is a dangerous, even deadly job.
How many of the million evacuated would have been deaths just because they
were 90 years old and couldn't breath the smoke without dying.  How many of
the eight who actually died would have died anyway from just being there
breathing smoke?  How many would have died staying behind to take care of
them when the fire jumped an entire neighborhood and ended up burning their
rest home to the ground?  Just because it didn't happened doesn't mean it
couldn't happen.

And precisely right, why not 10 million or 100 million?  Who makes that
decision?  How many houses might burn to the ground because you did not
evacuate a neighborhood until too late and then the equipment could not get
in because of traffic jams of people trying to get out?  And who should
stay?  I assume the women and children should leave?  But wait, no cars for
the poor guys to get out when the time comes?  Oh, I understand, we could
organize bus routes to run this "volunteer corp" of yours around eh?
Brilliant idea I must admit.  I kinda wish I had thought of it! 8-(

And how long should the men stay?  Until the fire is in the block behind
them?  Two blocks away?  A half mile away?  But wait, if the fire is in the
block next door isn't that exactly when you would be most value putting out
the "small incipient fires" caused by embers raining down?  But wait, if the
fire is just two houses away NOW is exactly when you would be of the most
value because of the embers raining down, right?  

Now, TAKE A LOOK AROUND YOU!!!  Of the 100 adult males in the blocks around
you how many would DIE OF A HEART ATTACK from ANY physical exertion?  So
let's ask every adult male to stick around and lose 1 out of 100 of them to
heart attacks.  Hmmm... if you assume out of 1 million people evacuated AT
LEAST 100K of them would be "adult males able to fight fires" and you assume
just 1 percent of them have heart attacks because they are just not
physically capable of doing the job.... hm... that is 1 THOUSAND heart
attack victims (or "only" 100?  or "only" 10?).  But wait, we could arrange
screening facilities in the middle of every block... to decide who stays and
goes...  OK, everybody, line up over there... let's get your blood
pressure... hmm.. could you do even 10 pushups for me to demonstrate that
you can do ANYTHING?

I have to assume from your "tone of voice" that you have ready scientific
answers to this question?  I also assume that you were right down there
offering your scientifically proofed advice to the "idiots" running the
show?  And of course I have to ask, how vocal would you be about the idiotic
decision NOT to evacuate when a hundred people die that should have been
evacuated.  And finally, how many of those who died because they were NOT
forced to evacuate would the family have won 100 million dollar law suits
against the city for the "idiotic decision" not to evacuate them?

I repeat, it is easy to second guess, and it is easy to ridicule the efforts
of those who are put on the spot to make those decisions.  I highly
recommend that YOU spend the many hours to go get training to be a fireman
and YOU go do it and then come back and repeat your remarks.  Tell me that
YOU are an expert on these matters and then your opinions will be highly
valued, until then they are just ridicule of people doing a lot of different
jobs that you quite obviously know nothing about.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should stand
in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house has any
significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a firestorm, get
out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases, homes are lost (AND
infernos grew into being) simply because no one was there to hold back small
incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing. Certainly some people stay
far too long and sometimes die--that is an error in judgment. But so is
calling everyone with a garden hose an idiot. Situations vary, but the vast
majority were FAR from any danger (much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2 million
from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4 old
people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes have
costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing happened
just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It seems they spent
all their money on the database to evac the world, and none training
volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed), the
real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions eagerly
buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems. Way too much
reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out fires. There's wasn't
even anyone left to piece together a picture of where the fires were
raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:10:40 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:10:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
Message-ID: <008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90>

Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. Please
take this to OT if you want to continue.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk


--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "accessd at databaseadvisors.com" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Date: 25/10/07 13:59


John,

This is an example of the kind of jumping to extremes that causes the
toothpaste and nailclippers problem. I'm not saying that people should stand
in the middle of an inferno with a garden hose!!! If your house has any
significant fire going, get out. If your neighborhood is a firestorm, get
out. If you can't breathe, get out. But in many cases, homes are lost (AND
infernos grew into being) simply because no one was there to hold back small
incipient fires, spread by few embers blowing. Certainly some people stay
far too long and sometimes die--that is an error in judgment. But so is
calling everyone with a garden hose an idiot. Situations vary, but the vast
majority were FAR from any danger (much less near an inferno).

"Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives." Based on what? Look at the map I linked. Why not force 2 million
from their non-endangered homes? Why not the whole county? Note that of the
5 people who died, there was one "idiot" (tried to save his home), and 4 old
people who died as a result of the needless upheaval. Both extremes have
costs.

What was ACTUALLY needed was water drops (like they had in LA from the
beginning), and many more reserve firemen. This exact same thing happened
just 4 years ago, and it's certain to happen again soon. It seems they spent
all their money on the database to evac the world, and none training
volunteer/reserve firemen. There's no sense in that.

Aside from the overreaction in forcing evacuations, and the vilifying of
people who would reasonably try to protect their home (now outlawed), the
real problem is that the groupthink that carries these overreactions eagerly
buries the vast lack of actually addressing the real problems. Way too much
reactionary evacuating, and way too little putting out fires. There's wasn't
even anyone left to piece together a picture of where the fires were
raging/threatening! Info is still very sketchy.

Greg


------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 17:14:10 -0400
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

....
The shake shingle roofs which were quite common on the houses built in the
70s and 80s will catch fire from embers landing on the roofs. If these
shingles are old and untreated they will catch fairly rapidly and once a
patch of roof is engulfed no garden hose will put it out. A fully engulfed
home can and will catch the house next door and in fact entire neighborhoods
can go very quickly. People caught in those situations can quite easily die.
Fires blown by high winds can "jump" hundreds of yards or even miles (in
brush). In fact this is exactly how they jump the freeways which you would
think would act as natural firebreaks and create natural boundaries; They
can but all too often do not because of the winds. Thus a single house on
fire can "cause" another house hundreds of yards away to burn.

Watch the TV. A full fire crew CANNOT EXTINGUISH a fully engulfed home fire
with entire engines available to them, all they can do is control and wet
down the adjacent buildings to prevent the spread.

Trained firemen die every year (encased in full on fire gear) because they
get caught in the middle of a fire when the fire jumps over them and catches
the brush around them. In fact firemen fighting brush fires are often
provided "solar blankets" which can SOMETIMES save their lives by allowing
them to hide under these blankets if they do get caught in a fire.

I have never been inside of a real live burning structure but I have done
the training with air packs and fire suits, going into training buildings
with real fires (and LOTS of smoke) and even with suits designed to
withstand 600 degree heat it is HOT and you can't see 2 inches in front of
your face. Unprotected civilians in a fully engulfed burning neighborhood
will die, if not from the flames and heat, then from smoke inhalation or
even heart attacks.

Evacuating a million people is the exact right thing to do rather than lose
lives. Even worse is to lose firefighters trying to rescue the idiots that
want to try and save their homes and get caught behind the fire line. A
single house burning is nothing to mess with, a brush fire or an entire
burning neighborhood whipped up by high winds can turn deadly in seconds,
even for trained professionals.

It is easy to criticize the effects of evacuations but in fact people die
from these fires every year because they refuse to leave and try to save
their home with garden hoses. Personally I don't mind if idiots die
(cleansing the gene pool) but I object to firefighters dying trying to
rescue the idiots.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 10:13:18 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:13:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <0bd901c81712$60cc96d0$066fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al><F3F2EB0167D34FCBB27E39A152FE13A9@creativesystemdesigns.com><FBEA4C39D79
	34A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local> 
	<0bd901c81712$60cc96d0$066fa8c0@lcmdv8000>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF70@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I'll dig into the web developer's code and let you know. I have no
experience with asp so at the moment I am clueless.
Jim hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

How are you connecting to the db? Basically, what type of connection
string
are you using? (DSNLESS, OBDC, ADO, OLEDB, etc.)

I've run sites off Access and generally haven't had any problems. You
want
to make sure your recordsets only pull the data you need (avoid the
"select
* from tblproduct" type statements).

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:15:32 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:15:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <008f01c81719$e35b4590$697aa8c0@M90>

They did use a database to decide who to call for evacuation.  Does that
make it Access related?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.  

8-( 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. Please
take this to OT if you want to continue.

--
Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:17:31 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:17:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE:  San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90>
	<001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <009001c8171a$2a3d5430$697aa8c0@M90>

Rocky, I was SERIOUSLY worried that our Southern California AccessD
conference location was in danger.  Oh yea, and that you and your family
were safe as well...

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to evacuate.  Didn't
know if the fires would get to the coast but it was predicted.  There's
really no way to stop a fire in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters
can't go up.  It came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al
the maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/

It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 and 10 percent.
Bu, unless something changes radically, we're going to unpack today.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 10:30:20 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 16:30:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Message-ID: <20071025153025.CA75F2DFDF6@smtp.nildram.co.uk>

ROTFL. 11/10 for cheek.

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
Date: 25/10/07 15:21


They did use a database to decide who to call for evacuation. Does that
make it Access related?


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.

8-(


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. Please
take this to OT if you want to continue.

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Oct 25 10:30:56 2007
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Michael R Mattys)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:30:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk>
	<008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90>
	<008f01c81719$e35b4590$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <02ca01c8171c$0af83160$0202a8c0@Laptop>

Backyard barbeque with Greg and John, anyone?

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective


> They did use a database to decide who to call for evacuation.  Does that
> make it Access related?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
>
> Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.
>
> 8-(
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
>
> Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
> on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. 
> Please
> take this to OT if you want to continue.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 10:51:18 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:51:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <02ca01c8171c$0af83160$0202a8c0@Laptop>
References: <20071025141513.B496C2B88BD@smtp.nildram.co.uk><008e01c81719$35a7cdb0$697aa8c0@M90><008f01c81719$e35b4590$697aa8c0@M90>
	<02ca01c8171c$0af83160$0202a8c0@Laptop>
Message-ID: <009c01c8171e$e2a63420$697aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL.  Who is being BBQd? 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Michael R Mattys
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Backyard barbeque with Greg and John, anyone?

Michael R. Mattys
MapPoint & Access Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective


> They did use a database to decide who to call for evacuation.  Does that
> make it Access related?
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
>
> Sorry Andy, I pressed send and came back to see this.
>
> 8-(
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:15 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
>
> Sorry folks. I'm really interested in the discussion but with my mod's hat
> on I have to say that the Access content is a little on the low side. 
> Please
> take this to OT if you want to continue.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 25 10:55:34 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 08:55:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE:  San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <009001c8171a$2a3d5430$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <000d01c81643$d39c12a0$697aa8c0@M90><001d01c8164e$6d217af0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<009001c8171a$2a3d5430$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Yeah, AOK today (if I can impose on the moderator for one more update).
Worse air quality this morning, very smoky.  Fires are burning towards the
east as the Santa Ana has broken down.  Big fires in Camp Pendleton and
Mount Palomar. Some homes in Rancho Santa Fe burned - just east of us.  But
we're not in any danger of burning now.  There's a lot of coverage including
a lots of video on line if people are interested.   

The local paper: http://www.signonsandiego.com/
CBS affiliate: http://www.cbs8.com/
NBC affiliate: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/index.html probably the best for
pictures and video.

I'd like to thank everybody who asked on-line and off-line about us, for
your concern and your prayers.  

(OK, Andy, I'm done.)

Best to all

Rocky

 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires

Rocky, I was SERIOUSLY worried that our Southern California AccessD
conference location was in danger.  Oh yea, and that you and your family
were safe as well...

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:59 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to evacuate.  Didn't
know if the fires would get to the coast but it was predicted.  There's
really no way to stop a fire in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters
can't go up.  It came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al
the maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/

It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 and 10 percent.
Bu, unless something changes radically, we're going to unpack today.

Rocky





 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires

For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is burning, tens of
square miles of land with thousands of buildings lost already and no end in
sight.  The fires have been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can
tell.

Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I understand Rancho
Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently is just across the freeway from
your neighborhood.  Is there anyone else on the list being affected by this
fire?

Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more than
firefighters to put this thing out.

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From joeo at appoli.com  Thu Oct 25 11:11:52 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 12:11:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA05E88F@exch1.Onappsad.net>

Jim,

Is the database opened in shared or exclusive mode?  Be sure that it is
shared.  From the database window, click on Options then select the
Advanced tab.  The Default Open Mode should be set to Shared.

Joe O'Connell

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From greg at worthey.com  Thu Oct 25 11:30:18 2007
From: greg at worthey.com (Greg Worthey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:30:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>

Rocky,

To kick a million people from their homes when less than 1% were near any
actual danger, I call that panic. Orderly panic, even cheerful panic, but
panic nonetheless. The largest evacuation in California history.

It sounds like you were uncomfortable with the air quality, anxious to
leave, and didn't need an order. I support your right to evacuate any time
you wish. But if fire is several miles from me, you would support my right
to remain a vigilent non-refugee, right? 

Looking at the updating map that I linked before --
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google 
earth)... The closest that fire came to del mar--and most of the evac'd
areas--was 6 miles. 

I've been watching the tv coverage most waking hours since early Monday
morning, and they sure paint it like "fire racing"; a "wall of fire",
"firestorm 2007", and showing ad nauseum only the spots of sensational
inferno. In reality, the most any fire moved was a few miles per DAY, in the
windiest mountain conditions. 

As for perspective, it took the news over 24 hours from start before they
showed a rudimentary map of where the fires were. Every authority really
seemed to not know exactly where the fires were, even days later, and not
even recognize a problem in that. FIVE days later, they still show only
these extremely vague colored maps which are misleading in many ways. 1)
they color using a very broad brush, overstating area, 2) the maps are so
grossly undetailed that they don't even label most cities, 3) they give no
indication of fire strength or intensity or speed, and 4) they give no
indication of populated areas (versus unpopulated areas with very little
fuel). It's not easy to find the truthful detail I linked above, and after
all this time, still nobody seems to notice the lack of clarity. That is
scary to me.

This was really really bad for wildlife. For people, it was 99%
over-reaction. In both cases, there was massively insufficient useful
response.

I too have heard few complaints about the record-breaking needless upheaval
and broad-brush sensationalist reporting. Kind of like nailclippers at the
airport. It seems people can't recognize irrational excess and folly
anymore; all too happy to relinquish anything (or everything) for any
reason. Scares me much more than any fire. Where is the perspective!?

I'm glad you and 99% of the million evacuees are unscathed and still with
home & possessions Rocky. I just hope you'll get skeptical enough to notice
how little was done to fight the fires. The firefighters are working
absolutely insane hours, but there are so few of them! This same thing
happened just 4 years ago. Shall we all evacuate en mass every 4 years,
pretend it's the best that could be done, and skip the needed firefighters?
People were screaming about the lack of water drops last time, and then too,
water drops were plentiful in LA since days before anyone even noticed the
lack here. And now from the induced shock of needlessly enforced mass-scale
panic, it seems that everyone is too shellshocked to use critical thinking. 

What was needed here was NOT another database to force people from their
homes (and the massive effort and expense to accommodate them), but rather
some common sense (i.e. reserve firefighters, water-drop planes, and
moderately precise information about where the fires were). We made all
these mistakes (sans the million refugees) just 4 years ago. 

Greg



Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:04 -0700
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no panic
here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks about how
orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the shelters were set
up and run efficiently, and although there were some problems in fighting
the fires, how could there not be, overall I think the operation will be
judged very successful.

I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the street
for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly upwind was a
fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in a
minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the fire
itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems prudent.  

I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single complaint
yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute information.

There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up on it
and judge for yourself.

...

Rocky

 	

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google 
> earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, 
> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for 
> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) 
> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, 
> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent 
> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>



From dw-murphy at cox.net  Thu Oct 25 11:32:54 2007
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:32:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF6D@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <002301c81724$b18fc530$0200a8c0@murphy3234aaf1>

I have done a few ASP sites with Access backends and have not seen that
problem.  Admitedly they aren't high trafic sites, but the connections to
the db are only open for a fraction of a second for each transaction.  Does
the code your using close each connection when a database transaction is
performed?

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 6:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend


Thanks!
Any advice on how to prevent users from getting file busy errors?
Jim Hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 8:51 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

You have done a very good job... It has a very nice layout and feel to it.

Regards
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:47 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off the
shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access serves
as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if two users
click on the same product link at the same time one will get a "file in use"
error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous shoppers (hey I can
dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a function of Access and c) is
there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Oct 25 11:37:35 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 09:37:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703A94@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Greg,

You're entitled to your opinions, but the Santa Anas made water drops
impossible a good portion of the time.  Please don't keep THIS fire
burning!  ;0}

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Rocky,

To kick a million people from their homes when less than 1% were near
any actual danger, I call that panic. Orderly panic, even cheerful
panic, but panic nonetheless. The largest evacuation in California
history.

It sounds like you were uncomfortable with the air quality, anxious to
leave, and didn't need an order. I support your right to evacuate any
time you wish. But if fire is several miles from me, you would support
my right to remain a vigilent non-refugee, right? 

Looking at the updating map that I linked before --
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
earth)... The closest that fire came to del mar--and most of the evac'd
areas--was 6 miles. 

I've been watching the tv coverage most waking hours since early Monday
morning, and they sure paint it like "fire racing"; a "wall of fire",
"firestorm 2007", and showing ad nauseum only the spots of sensational
inferno. In reality, the most any fire moved was a few miles per DAY, in
the windiest mountain conditions. 

As for perspective, it took the news over 24 hours from start before
they showed a rudimentary map of where the fires were. Every authority
really seemed to not know exactly where the fires were, even days later,
and not even recognize a problem in that. FIVE days later, they still
show only these extremely vague colored maps which are misleading in
many ways. 1) they color using a very broad brush, overstating area, 2)
the maps are so grossly undetailed that they don't even label most
cities, 3) they give no indication of fire strength or intensity or
speed, and 4) they give no indication of populated areas (versus
unpopulated areas with very little fuel). It's not easy to find the
truthful detail I linked above, and after all this time, still nobody
seems to notice the lack of clarity. That is scary to me.

This was really really bad for wildlife. For people, it was 99%
over-reaction. In both cases, there was massively insufficient useful
response.

I too have heard few complaints about the record-breaking needless
upheaval and broad-brush sensationalist reporting. Kind of like
nailclippers at the airport. It seems people can't recognize irrational
excess and folly anymore; all too happy to relinquish anything (or
everything) for any reason. Scares me much more than any fire. Where is
the perspective!?

I'm glad you and 99% of the million evacuees are unscathed and still
with home & possessions Rocky. I just hope you'll get skeptical enough
to notice how little was done to fight the fires. The firefighters are
working absolutely insane hours, but there are so few of them! This same
thing happened just 4 years ago. Shall we all evacuate en mass every 4
years, pretend it's the best that could be done, and skip the needed
firefighters?
People were screaming about the lack of water drops last time, and then
too, water drops were plentiful in LA since days before anyone even
noticed the lack here. And now from the induced shock of needlessly
enforced mass-scale panic, it seems that everyone is too shellshocked to
use critical thinking. 

What was needed here was NOT another database to force people from their
homes (and the massive effort and expense to accommodate them), but
rather some common sense (i.e. reserve firefighters, water-drop planes,
and moderately precise information about where the fires were). We made
all these mistakes (sans the million refugees) just 4 years ago. 

Greg



Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:04 -0700
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no
panic here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks
about how orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the
shelters were set up and run efficiently, and although there were some
problems in fighting the fires, how could there not be, overall I think
the operation will be judged very successful.

I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the
street for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly
upwind was a
fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn
area
you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in
a minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the
fire itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems
prudent.  

I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single
complaint yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute
information.

There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up
on it and judge for yourself.

...

Rocky

 	

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
> earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu,

> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for

> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction)

> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot,

> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent

> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 25 12:22:05 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:22:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <006e01c8172b$90eea290$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

We can have this debate but you have to join the OT list to do it.  

Rocky



 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:30 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective

Rocky,

To kick a million people from their homes when less than 1% were near any
actual danger, I call that panic. Orderly panic, even cheerful panic, but
panic nonetheless. The largest evacuation in California history.

It sounds like you were uncomfortable with the air quality, anxious to
leave, and didn't need an order. I support your right to evacuate any time
you wish. But if fire is several miles from me, you would support my right
to remain a vigilent non-refugee, right? 

Looking at the updating map that I linked before --
http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
earth)... The closest that fire came to del mar--and most of the evac'd
areas--was 6 miles. 

I've been watching the tv coverage most waking hours since early Monday
morning, and they sure paint it like "fire racing"; a "wall of fire",
"firestorm 2007", and showing ad nauseum only the spots of sensational
inferno. In reality, the most any fire moved was a few miles per DAY, in the
windiest mountain conditions. 

As for perspective, it took the news over 24 hours from start before they
showed a rudimentary map of where the fires were. Every authority really
seemed to not know exactly where the fires were, even days later, and not
even recognize a problem in that. FIVE days later, they still show only
these extremely vague colored maps which are misleading in many ways. 1)
they color using a very broad brush, overstating area, 2) the maps are so
grossly undetailed that they don't even label most cities, 3) they give no
indication of fire strength or intensity or speed, and 4) they give no
indication of populated areas (versus unpopulated areas with very little
fuel). It's not easy to find the truthful detail I linked above, and after
all this time, still nobody seems to notice the lack of clarity. That is
scary to me.

This was really really bad for wildlife. For people, it was 99%
over-reaction. In both cases, there was massively insufficient useful
response.

I too have heard few complaints about the record-breaking needless upheaval
and broad-brush sensationalist reporting. Kind of like nailclippers at the
airport. It seems people can't recognize irrational excess and folly
anymore; all too happy to relinquish anything (or everything) for any
reason. Scares me much more than any fire. Where is the perspective!?

I'm glad you and 99% of the million evacuees are unscathed and still with
home & possessions Rocky. I just hope you'll get skeptical enough to notice
how little was done to fight the fires. The firefighters are working
absolutely insane hours, but there are so few of them! This same thing
happened just 4 years ago. Shall we all evacuate en mass every 4 years,
pretend it's the best that could be done, and skip the needed firefighters?
People were screaming about the lack of water drops last time, and then too,
water drops were plentiful in LA since days before anyone even noticed the
lack here. And now from the induced shock of needlessly enforced mass-scale
panic, it seems that everyone is too shellshocked to use critical thinking. 

What was needed here was NOT another database to force people from their
homes (and the massive effort and expense to accommodate them), but rather
some common sense (i.e. reserve firefighters, water-drop planes, and
moderately precise information about where the fires were). We made all
these mistakes (sans the million refugees) just 4 years ago. 

Greg



Message: 12
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:29:04 -0700
From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
	<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <009201c81684$e75412c0$0301a8c0 at HAL9005>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"

I don't find that the information is wild or irrational.  There's no panic
here.  I believe you'll hear reports in the coming days and weeks about how
orderly and effective the evacuations proceeded, how the shelters were set
up and run efficiently, and although there were some problems in fighting
the fires, how could there not be, overall I think the operation will be
judged very successful.

I personally had no problem leaving when the order came.  I couldn't go
outside without a mask and goggles, couldn't see to the end of the street
for the smoke, was standing in a 20-40 mph wind, and directly upwind was a
fire racing towards Del Mar.    If you look at a map of the fire burn area
you can see how unpredictable the progress of a fire is.  It can turn in a
minute based on the shifting winds or even the wind created by the fire
itself.  Evacuating folks in a wide margin around a fire seems prudent.  

I know lots of people who were evacuated.  Haven't heard a single complaint
yet.  And we're being flooded with good minute to minute information.

There will also be lots of reporting about the things that went wrong -
makes for good press.  By these reports everyone will be judged to be a
bumbling, shortsighted, incompetent fool.  You'll just have to read up on it
and judge for yourself.

...

Rocky

 	

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg 
> Worthey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 1:14 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Perspective on So Cal fires 2007
>
> I live in san diego.
>
> Facts on the So Cal fires:
> - has affected about 640 square miles (410,000 acres) so far. 
> - 1,000,000 people have been forcibly evacuated (last number I heard 
> for San Diego county was 513,000, yesterday)
> - most of those people were ordered to leave by an automated 
> recording, several miles in advance of any possible fire path. This 
> "perfect storm", in fact, came nowhere near 99% of their homes.
> - 1,250 homes have been destroyed; half that from the 2003 fires
> - information about the size and location of the fires remains wildly 
> fuzzy at best. Best mapped info is here:
> http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/kml/conus.kmz (note: you need google
> earth)
> - while a million people are forced to sit in parking lots and 
> auditoriums (as if panic were called for), only about 1000 people in 
> all of so cal are fighting fires (as if no one could help)
> - Planes were scooping water from the pacific ocean to drop on Malibu, 
> tout suite, by early Monday morning. As of Wednesday morning, 
> officials are still TALKING about doing the same here. It has nothing 
> to do with wind conditions; same lie they used 4 years ago.
>
>
> While it's depicted on the news as a wild inferno racing to wipe out 
> the western seaboard, the reality is that it's mostly low brush fires 
> in scantly covered (semi-desert) unpopulated areas. It's a tragedy for 
> wildlife, but mostly it's just insane overreaction (and underreaction) 
> re people. The news picks the most impressive clips (i.e. a house or 
> patch of trees in inferno), rather than the prevalent lowscale desert 
> brush fire, and loops that image over and over. Most of the 1,000,000 
> people evacuated were in no danger at all.
>
> Most of the 1200 houses were randomly hit (i.e. one destroyed, while 
> neighbors were untouched). This indicates that in many cases a person 
> with a garden hose could have put out the incipient fires on the spot, 
> before they consumed anything and grew. Not in all cases, of course, 
> but when an ember hits, it's going to start a SMALL fire, and a quick 
> garden hose can put it out (whereas a firetruck hours later can only 
> try to calm the all-consuming inferno).
>
> So not only did this new "reverse 911 system" massively inconvenience 
> and frighten a MILLION people, and nearly shut down the whole county, 
> it also removed all witnesses to small brush fires becoming infernos 
> due to the fact that no one was there to do the least thing to prevent 
> spreading to big fuel (ie. trees and houses).
>
> Insanity. Kind of like dutifully confiscating toothpaste and nail 
> clippers, while allowing 75% of bombs through airport security.
>

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Oct 25 12:42:49 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:42:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE:  San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Rocky, posts about your safety are always on-topic AFAIC. Great to hear
you're ok.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: 25 October 2007 16:56
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
> 
> 
> Yeah, AOK today (if I can impose on the moderator for one 
> more update). Worse air quality this morning, very smoky.  
> Fires are burning towards the east as the Santa Ana has 
> broken down.  Big fires in Camp Pendleton and Mount Palomar. 
> Some homes in Rancho Santa Fe burned - just east of us.  But 
> we're not in any danger of burning now.  There's a lot of 
> coverage including
> a lots of video on line if people are interested.   
> 
> The local paper: http://www.signonsandiego.com/
> CBS affiliate: http://www.cbs8.com/
> NBC affiliate: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/index.html probably 
> the best for pictures and video.
> 
> I'd like to thank everybody who asked on-line and off-line 
> about us, for your concern and your prayers.  
> 
> (OK, Andy, I'm done.)
> 
> Best to all
> 
> Rocky
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:18 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
> 
> Rocky, I was SERIOUSLY worried that our Southern California 
> AccessD conference location was in danger.  Oh yea, and that 
> you and your family were safe as well...
> 
> ;-)
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 10:59 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
> 
> We're back and safe.  We had most of Monday to prepare to 
> evacuate.  Didn't know if the fires would get to the coast 
> but it was predicted.  There's really no way to stop a fire 
> in that wind.  Air tankers and helicopters can't go up.  It 
> came within about 5-10 miles of Del Mar.  You can get al the 
> maps and stats at http://www.signonsandiego.com/
> 
> It's not over.  Containment of the fires is still between 0 
> and 10 percent. Bu, unless something changes radically, we're 
> going to unpack today.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  	
> 	
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 6:43 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] San Diego Fires
> 
> For those who don't read the news, San Diego county is 
> burning, tens of square miles of land with thousands of 
> buildings lost already and no end in sight.  The fires have 
> been moving towards Rocky's home from what I can tell.
> 
> Rocky, are you still at home and how are you doing?  I 
> understand Rancho Santa Fe is burning and the fire apparently 
> is just across the freeway from your neighborhood.  Is there 
> anyone else on the list being affected by this fire?
> 
> Let's keep these people in our prayers folks, they need more 
> than firefighters to put this thing out.
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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From greg at worthey.com  Thu Oct 25 12:45:21 2007
From: greg at worthey.com (Greg Worthey)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:45:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Intelligence subjugated to database computations
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2872.1193328713.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.2872.1193328713.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <00d001c8172e$d18b4940$1901a8c0@wsp21>

John,

Truly, your intellect is dizzying. Full of worst-possible assumptions,
reality aside. Please know that you're well in the majority.

"There are people trying to make these decisions based on information like
the current size of the fire, direction and speed of the wind, the current
location of fire crews, the number of trained firemen and equipment
available, evacuation routes, available police, available medics and other
trained emergency crews etc."
That's how it should be, yes. But alas your faith is unrequited. Five days
later, emergency officials still profess shocking ignorance, without
challenge/question. Shockingly understaffed firefighters. No water drops.
Most people are too in awe to question anything. Don't worry, your wild
worst-case imaginings and blind faith is fully in the majority.

"How many of the million evacuated would have been deaths just because they
were 90 years old and couldn't breath the smoke without dying.  How many of
the eight who actually died would have died anyway from just being there
breathing smoke?"
Well, I said five died, not 8, but they had been indoors with filtered air,
before the experts upheaved them. The damage overall is very scattered, and
very slight compared to the panic. 

"And precisely right, why not 10 million or 100 million?  ... How many
houses might burn to the ground because you did not evacuate a neighborhood
until too late and then the equipment could not get in because of traffic
jams of people trying to get out?"
Yeah, perhaps the whole western seaboard should evac, weeks instead of days
in advance, just in case. Airlift to Hawaii! (There were no traffic jams.)
You are normally level-headed, I assume.

"And how long should the men stay?  Until the fire is in the block behind
them?  Two blocks away?  A half mile away?"
People used to be entrusted with judgment; responsible for their own lives.
And people have cars--this is not a flood or a tornado, it's just fire.
Moves slow. Look at the map. Please don't panic John, everything will be ok.

"Of the 100 adult males in the blocks around you how many would DIE OF A
HEART ATTACK from ANY physical exertion?  So let's ask every adult male to
stick around and lose 1 out of 100 of them to heart attacks."
Uh, yeah. Let's lock them inside, and order them not to evacuate. It's
strange how the reactionary panic is supported from so far away, even when
you have less info than we do. Anyone is free to leave whenever they want;
the question is the necessity of forcing people and striking needless fear
and hardship. Reality is, the danger was relatively small and scant compared
to the evac. Believe me, there's no shortage of wild imaginations. Fox &
friends even suggested alqueda was responsible!

"I also assume that you were right down there offering your scientifically
proofed advice to the "idiots" running the show? ... "idiot decision"..."
You used the word idiots, not me. Why are you quoting things I didn't say?
You seem very panicked.

"I repeat, it is easy to second guess, and it is easy to ridicule the
efforts of those who are put on the spot to make those decisions."
I didn't ridicule. I criticized, and rationally. You are ridiculing. 

It's really scary how these sorts of things invoke blind faith in random
unknown officials, and delete the ability for rational conversation. Really,
you're not alone John. I just hope people can regain some common sense
before the next round of fires... or the next duct-tape frenzy... A database
is not the solution for everything.

Greg



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 12:53:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:53:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Intelligence subjugated to database computations
In-Reply-To: <00d001c8172e$d18b4940$1901a8c0@wsp21>
References: <mailman.2872.1193328713.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00d001c8172e$d18b4940$1901a8c0@wsp21>
Message-ID: <00be01c8172f$e8e9b030$697aa8c0@M90>

ROTFL, indeed it is. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Greg Worthey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 1:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Intelligence subjugated to database computations

John,

Truly, your intellect is dizzying. Full of worst-possible assumptions,
reality aside. Please know that you're well in the majority.

"There are people trying to make these decisions based on information like
the current size of the fire, direction and speed of the wind, the current
location of fire crews, the number of trained firemen and equipment
available, evacuation routes, available police, available medics and other
trained emergency crews etc."
That's how it should be, yes. But alas your faith is unrequited. Five days
later, emergency officials still profess shocking ignorance, without
challenge/question. Shockingly understaffed firefighters. No water drops.
Most people are too in awe to question anything. Don't worry, your wild
worst-case imaginings and blind faith is fully in the majority.

"How many of the million evacuated would have been deaths just because they
were 90 years old and couldn't breath the smoke without dying.  How many of
the eight who actually died would have died anyway from just being there
breathing smoke?"
Well, I said five died, not 8, but they had been indoors with filtered air,
before the experts upheaved them. The damage overall is very scattered, and
very slight compared to the panic. 

"And precisely right, why not 10 million or 100 million?  ... How many
houses might burn to the ground because you did not evacuate a neighborhood
until too late and then the equipment could not get in because of traffic
jams of people trying to get out?"
Yeah, perhaps the whole western seaboard should evac, weeks instead of days
in advance, just in case. Airlift to Hawaii! (There were no traffic jams.)
You are normally level-headed, I assume.

"And how long should the men stay?  Until the fire is in the block behind
them?  Two blocks away?  A half mile away?"
People used to be entrusted with judgment; responsible for their own lives.
And people have cars--this is not a flood or a tornado, it's just fire.
Moves slow. Look at the map. Please don't panic John, everything will be ok.

"Of the 100 adult males in the blocks around you how many would DIE OF A
HEART ATTACK from ANY physical exertion?  So let's ask every adult male to
stick around and lose 1 out of 100 of them to heart attacks."
Uh, yeah. Let's lock them inside, and order them not to evacuate. It's
strange how the reactionary panic is supported from so far away, even when
you have less info than we do. Anyone is free to leave whenever they want;
the question is the necessity of forcing people and striking needless fear
and hardship. Reality is, the danger was relatively small and scant compared
to the evac. Believe me, there's no shortage of wild imaginations. Fox &
friends even suggested alqueda was responsible!

"I also assume that you were right down there offering your scientifically
proofed advice to the "idiots" running the show? ... "idiot decision"..."
You used the word idiots, not me. Why are you quoting things I didn't say?
You seem very panicked.

"I repeat, it is easy to second guess, and it is easy to ridicule the
efforts of those who are put on the spot to make those decisions."
I didn't ridicule. I criticized, and rationally. You are ridiculing. 

It's really scary how these sorts of things invoke blind faith in random
unknown officials, and delete the ability for rational conversation. Really,
you're not alone John. I just hope people can regain some common sense
before the next round of fires... or the next duct-tape frenzy... A database
is not the solution for everything.

Greg

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From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 13:17:47 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:17:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] So Cal fires perspective
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703A94@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <mailman.2764.1193286072.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<00ba01c81724$558266d0$1901a8c0@wsp21>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703A94@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710251117o36a20122r1b6c34eb249c21f6@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/25/07, Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:

> You're entitled to your opinions, but the Santa Anas made water drops
> impossible a good portion of the time.  Please don't keep THIS fire
> burning!  ;0}

No worries. This thread is now dead.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 13:30:58 2007
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:30:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
References: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920710251130h6f9deac8x4bfd215262d14230@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/25/07, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Rocky, posts about your safety are always on-topic AFAIC. Great to hear
> you're ok.

Or any other member for that matter. Well maybe not JC ;) Naw, yea him too :)

It's the editorializing of the other stuff that isn't OK.

-- 
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Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Oct 25 13:38:23 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:38:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920710251130h6f9deac8x4bfd215262d14230@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
	<e04a6c920710251130h6f9deac8x4bfd215262d14230@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c81736$3a0fb580$697aa8c0@M90>

Now c'mon Bryan, where would the list be without my dizzying intellect
(completely void of any grip on reality) and humble opinions full of worst
case assumptions? 

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires

On 10/25/07, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Rocky, posts about your safety are always on-topic AFAIC. Great to 
> hear you're ok.

Or any other member for that matter. Well maybe not JC ;) Naw, yea him too
:)

It's the editorializing of the other stuff that isn't OK.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Oct 25 13:43:14 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 11:43:14 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires
In-Reply-To: <00c701c81736$3a0fb580$697aa8c0@M90>
References: <005001c8171f$7b3efe10$0301a8c0@HAL9005><000001c8172e$769a0940$8b408552@minster33c3r25><e04a6c920710251130h6f9deac8x4bfd215262d14230@mail.gmail.com>
	<00c701c81736$3a0fb580$697aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <008601c81736$e72ce0d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dryer, more factual, and much less entertaining.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:38 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires

Now c'mon Bryan, where would the list be without my dizzying intellect
(completely void of any grip on reality) and humble opinions full of worst
case assumptions? 

;-)

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Good to hear - was RE: San Diego Fires

On 10/25/07, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Rocky, posts about your safety are always on-topic AFAIC. Great to 
> hear you're ok.

Or any other member for that matter. Well maybe not JC ;) Naw, yea him too
:)

It's the editorializing of the other stuff that isn't OK.

--
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body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Oct 25 14:26:19 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:26:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF70@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE010E@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Something else to keep in mind.  If you are working directly with the
data, you could be locking it up.  That is why my apps pull the data
into classes.  It only touches the data when necessary, everything else
is done through the data stored within classes and collections.  (and be
sure to only use the locks necessary, ie, if you aren't going to change
the data, keep it read only)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I'll dig into the web developer's code and let you know. I have no
experience with asp so at the moment I am clueless.
Jim hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

How are you connecting to the db? Basically, what type of connection
string
are you using? (DSNLESS, OBDC, ADO, OLEDB, etc.)

I've run sites off Access and generally haven't had any problems. You
want
to make sure your recordsets only pull the data you need (avoid the
"select
* from tblproduct" type statements).

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645


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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Thu Oct 25 14:55:09 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 14:55:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE010E@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net >
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF70@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al> <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE010E@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF7B@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


Good stuff, thanks
Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 2:26 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Something else to keep in mind.  If you are working directly with the
data, you could be locking it up.  That is why my apps pull the data
into classes.  It only touches the data when necessary, everything else
is done through the data stored within classes and collections.  (and be
sure to only use the locks necessary, ie, if you aren't going to change
the data, keep it read only)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 10:13 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I'll dig into the web developer's code and let you know. I have no
experience with asp so at the moment I am clueless.
Jim hale 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Mrazek
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 9:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Hi Jim:

How are you connecting to the db? Basically, what type of connection
string
are you using? (DSNLESS, OBDC, ADO, OLEDB, etc.)

I've run sites off Access and generally haven't had any problems. You
want
to make sure your recordsets only pull the data you need (avoid the
"select
* from tblproduct" type statements).

Larry Mrazek
LCM Research, Inc.
www.lcm-res.com
lmrazek at lcm-res.com
ph. 314-432-5886
mobile: 314-496-1645


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 21:46:45 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:46:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710251946h7d0c51c9v5472f2d8990c2989@mail.gmail.com>

1. What's a legal alien?
2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every two
hours screaming, with a full diaper?

Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too high.
The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got him!"

Arthur


From john at winhaven.net  Thu Oct 25 22:28:56 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:28:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
Message-ID: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
 
Problem 1. )
 
This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen aid) that
basically shows the user a miniature summation of what they have already
entered in a time sheet:
 
SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, tblStaffTime.fldStfID,
tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours,
tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], tlkProgram.fldProgName,
tlkActType.fldActTypeCode
FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType RIGHT JOIN
tblStaffTime ON tlkActType.fldActTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) ON
tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) ON
tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID
WHERE (((tblStaffTime.fldStfID)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]) AND
((tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]));
 
This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of course,
happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
 
I created a separate, identical query and ran it while using the form to try
figure out what is going on. It reacts the same way. The query always works
except when the date is today. I hard coded the date into the query with no
better results.
 
I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
 
 





From anitatiedemann at gmail.com  Thu Oct 25 22:40:46 2007
From: anitatiedemann at gmail.com (Anita Smith)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:40:46 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
In-Reply-To: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <c5e112ad0710252040h32111027w36647a6115b2efed@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps there is time involved.

Try formatting the field and the criteria:
WHERE Format(TimeDate, "dd-mmm-yyyy") =
Format([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate], "dd-mmm-yyyy")

Anita



On 10/26/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
>
> I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
> A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
>
> Problem 1. )
>
> This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen aid) that
> basically shows the user a miniature summation of what they have already
> entered in a time sheet:
>
> SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, tblStaffTime.fldStfID,
> tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours,
> tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], tlkProgram.fldProgName,
> tlkActType.fldActTypeCode
> FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType RIGHT JOIN
> tblStaffTime ON tlkActType.fldActTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) ON
> tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) ON
> tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID
> WHERE (((tblStaffTime.fldStfID)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]) AND
> ((tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]));
>
> This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of course,
> happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
>
> I created a separate, identical query and ran it while using the form to
> try
> figure out what is going on. It reacts the same way. The query always
> works
> except when the date is today. I hard coded the date into the query with
> no
> better results.
>
> I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
>
>
>
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 01:10:52 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:10:52 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710251946h7d0c51c9v5472f2d8990c2989@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c81796$f6fbced0$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about

A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going deaf." 

The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 

The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow heads."

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Arthur Fuller
> Sent: 26 October 2007 03:47
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> 1. What's a legal alien?
> 2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking 
> up every two hours screaming, with a full diaper?
> 
> Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 
> feet too high. The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third 
> one said, "We got him!"
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 01:18:51 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:18:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
In-Reply-To: <c5e112ad0710252040h32111027w36647a6115b2efed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801c81798$13abe780$8b408552@minster33c3r25>

Hi John
I had the same thought as Anita - I'll bet it's the fact that you're storing
date AND time. Not sure then though why other dates would work but then we
don't know what you know. If it is that though an alternative to Anita's
solution is to wrap Int() around the dates.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> Sent: 26 October 2007 04:41
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query oddity
> 
> 
> Perhaps there is time involved.
> 
> Try formatting the field and the criteria:
> WHERE Format(TimeDate, "dd-mmm-yyyy") = 
> Format([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate], "dd-mmm-yyyy")
> 
> Anita
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/26/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> >
> > I have recently found a couple of issues in an app 
> converted from A97 
> > to A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
> >
> > Problem 1. )
> >
> > This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen 
> aid) that 
> > basically shows the user a miniature summation of what they have 
> > already entered in a time sheet:
> >
> > SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, tblStaffTime.fldStfID, 
> > tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours, 
> > tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], tlkProgram.fldProgName, 
> > tlkActType.fldActTypeCode FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType 
> > RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType RIGHT JOIN tblStaffTime ON 
> > tlkActType.fldActTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) ON 
> > tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) ON 
> > tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID WHERE 
> > (((tblStaffTime.fldStfID)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]) AND 
> > ((tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]));
> >
> > This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of 
> > course, happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
> >
> > I created a separate, identical query and ran it while 
> using the form 
> > to try figure out what is going on. It reacts the same way. 
> The query 
> > always works
> > except when the date is today. I hard coded the date into 
> the query with
> > no
> > better results.
> >
> > I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 26 01:43:09 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:43:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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References: <29f585dd0710251946h7d0c51c9v5472f2d8990c2989@mail.gmail.com>
	<000d01c81796$f6fbced0$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <012901c8179b$78eae990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dad:  I just spent $4800 on the best and very finest, most technologically
advanced hearing aid ever made.
Son:  Really what kind is it?
Dad:  About four thirty.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about

A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going deaf." 

The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 

The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow heads."

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: 26 October 2007 03:47
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> 1. What's a legal alien?
> 2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every 
> two hours screaming, with a full diaper?
> 
> Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too 
> high. The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got 
> him!"
> 
> Arthur
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Fri Oct 26 02:13:33 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:13:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <012901c8179b$78eae990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <200710260713.l9Q7DXbw015797@databaseadvisors.com>

3 men walk into a bar

Mmm - you'd think one of them would have seen it


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach
Access Software
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2007 4:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Dad:  I just spent $4800 on the best and very finest, most technologically
advanced hearing aid ever made.
Son:  Really what kind is it?
Dad:  About four thirty.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about

A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going deaf." 

The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 

The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow heads."

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: 26 October 2007 03:47
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> 1. What's a legal alien?
> 2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every 
> two hours screaming, with a full diaper?
> 
> Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too 
> high. The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got 
> him!"
> 
> Arthur
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From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Fri Oct 26 02:23:12 2007
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:23:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
Message-ID: <7303A459C921B5499AF732CCEEAD2B7F064D1222@craws161660.int.rdel.co.uk>

Or...

A blond goes for a job interview. She sits down in front of the interviewer
who asks her how old she is. The blond takes a calculator out of her
handbag, after a couple of key presses she replies '24.

Next, the interviewer asks her how tall she is. This time she removes a tape
measure from her bag, stands up, and measures her height, reading the tape
she replies '5 ft 4 inches'.

The next question is 'what is your name'. The blond sways her head from side
to side, humming to herself for 15 seconds and then replies 'Cindy'.

Intrigued, the interviewer says 'what were you doing then?'. 'Oh' says the
blond, 'I was running through that song in my head'. 'Song?' said the
interviewer 'What song?'.

'You know' replies the blond, 'the one that goes "Happy birthday to you,
happy birthday to you.......'.

(Apologies to blonds and people named 'Cindy')
Chris Foote
(Hard of hearing statistician) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:11 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about
> 
> A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm 
> going deaf." 
> 
> The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 
> 
> The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with 
> yellow heads."
> 
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 04:39:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 05:39:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <200710260713.l9Q7DXbw015797@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <012901c8179b$78eae990$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<200710260713.l9Q7DXbw015797@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <000901c817b4$1afefdd0$697aa8c0@M90>

Nawww, they just stumbled out of the bar across the street. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:14 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

3 men walk into a bar

Mmm - you'd think one of them would have seen it


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2007 4:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Dad:  I just spent $4800 on the best and very finest, most technologically
advanced hearing aid ever made.
Son:  Really what kind is it?
Dad:  About four thirty.

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about

A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going deaf." 

The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?" 

The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow heads."

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: 26 October 2007 03:47
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> 1. What's a legal alien?
> 2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every 
> two hours screaming, with a full diaper?
> 
> Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too 
> high. The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got 
> him!"
> 
> Arthur
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 05:03:20 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 06:03:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
In-Reply-To: <001801c81798$13abe780$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
References: <c5e112ad0710252040h32111027w36647a6115b2efed@mail.gmail.com>
	<001801c81798$13abe780$8b408552@minster33c3r25>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710260303i54ec0165s38d85534c8fec8b@mail.gmail.com>

I agree. If your form is asking for just the date, then you should revise
the code to compare against just the date portion of the SQL column. Here's
a function that does this:

>code>
CREATE FUNCTION [dbo].[JustDate_fn]
  ( @date datetime )
RETURNS varchar(10)
AS
BEGIN
  RETURN ( CONVERT(varchar(10), at date,101) )
END
<./code>

While I'm at it, here's a function that returns just the time portion of a
SQL datetime column:

<code>
CREATE FUNCTION [dbo].[JustTime_fn]
  ( @fDate datetime )
RETURNS varchar(10)
AS
BEGIN
  RETURN ( CONVERT(varchar(7),right(@fDate,7),101) )
END
</code>

hth,
Arthur

On 10/26/07, Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi John
> I had the same thought as Anita - I'll bet it's the fact that you're
> storing
> date AND time. Not sure then though why other dates would work but then we
> don't know what you know. If it is that though an alternative to Anita's
> solution is to wrap Int() around the dates.
>
> -- Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Anita Smith
> > Sent: 26 October 2007 04:41
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Query oddity
> >
> >
> > Perhaps there is time involved.
> >
> > Try formatting the field and the criteria:
> > WHERE Format(TimeDate, "dd-mmm-yyyy") =
> > Format([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate], "dd-mmm-yyyy")
> >
> > Anita
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/26/07, John Bartow <john at winhaven.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have recently found a couple of issues in an app
> > converted from A97
> > > to A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
> > >
> > > Problem 1. )
> > >
> > > This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen
> > aid) that
> > > basically shows the user a miniature summation of what they have
> > > already entered in a time sheet:
> > >
> > > SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, tblStaffTime.fldStfID,
> > > tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours,
> > > tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], tlkProgram.fldProgName,
> > > tlkActType.fldActTypeCode FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType
> > > RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType RIGHT JOIN tblStaffTime ON
> > > tlkActType.fldActTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) ON
> > > tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID = tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) ON
> > > tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID WHERE
> > > (((tblStaffTime.fldStfID)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]) AND
> > > ((tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate)=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]));
> > >
> > > This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of
> > > course, happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
> > >
> > > I created a separate, identical query and ran it while
> > using the form
> > > to try figure out what is going on. It reacts the same way.
> > The query
> > > always works
> > > except when the date is today. I hard coded the date into
> > the query with
> > > no
> > > better results.
> > >
> > > I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Fri Oct 26 06:28:33 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:28:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3001.1193393006.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>

I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating 
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access 
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just 
start importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first 
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP), 
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 07:49:34 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:49:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
References: <7303A459C921B5499AF732CCEEAD2B7F064D1222@craws161660.int.rdel.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005d01c817ce$c1facc80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than 
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this 
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can 
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to 
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.

> Or...
>
> A blond goes for a job interview. She sits down in front of the 
> interviewer
> who asks her how old she is. The blond takes a calculator out of her
> handbag, after a couple of key presses she replies '24.
>
> Next, the interviewer asks her how tall she is. This time she removes a 
> tape
> measure from her bag, stands up, and measures her height, reading the tape
> she replies '5 ft 4 inches'.
>
> The next question is 'what is your name'. The blond sways her head from 
> side
> to side, humming to herself for 15 seconds and then replies 'Cindy'.
>
> Intrigued, the interviewer says 'what were you doing then?'. 'Oh' says the
> blond, 'I was running through that song in my head'. 'Song?' said the
> interviewer 'What song?'.
>
> 'You know' replies the blond, 'the one that goes "Happy birthday to you,
> happy birthday to you.......'.
>
> (Apologies to blonds and people named 'Cindy')
> Chris Foote
> (Hard of hearing statistician)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:11 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>>
>>
>> Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How about
>>
>> A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm
>> going deaf."
>>
>> The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?"
>>
>> The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with
>> yellow heads."
>>
>> -- Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 07:50:38 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:50:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
References: <OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <006001c817ce$d21766f0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

The number of blank lines won't deviate?

Susan H.


>I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
> system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access
> to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just
> start importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
> 65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP),
> and am using VBA, of course.



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 07:59:36 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:59:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <005d01c817ce$c1facc80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00b401c817d0$107ad160$8119fea9@LTVM>

Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.

> Or...
>
> A blond goes for a job interview. She sits down in front of the 
> interviewer who asks her how old she is. The blond takes a calculator 
> out of her handbag, after a couple of key presses she replies '24.
>
> Next, the interviewer asks her how tall she is. This time she removes 
> a tape measure from her bag, stands up, and measures her height, 
> reading the tape she replies '5 ft 4 inches'.
>
> The next question is 'what is your name'. The blond sways her head 
> from side to side, humming to herself for 15 seconds and then replies 
> 'Cindy'.
>
> Intrigued, the interviewer says 'what were you doing then?'. 'Oh' says 
> the blond, 'I was running through that song in my head'. 'Song?' said 
> the interviewer 'What song?'.
>
> 'You know' replies the blond, 'the one that goes "Happy birthday to 
> you, happy birthday to you.......'.
>
> (Apologies to blonds and people named 'Cindy') Chris Foote (Hard of 
> hearing statistician)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:11 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>>
>>
>> Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How 
>> about
>>
>> A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going 
>> deaf."
>>
>> The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?"
>>
>> The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow 
>> heads."
>>
>> -- Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 08:21:47 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:21:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
In-Reply-To: <OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <mailman.3001.1193393006.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c817d3$2b0c16d0$697aa8c0@M90>

I do it by opening a file for input and a file for output, read line by
line, count 65 lines, then start writing out to the output file on line 66. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just start
importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP),
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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From rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com  Fri Oct 26 09:02:34 2007
From: rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com (rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:02:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
Message-ID: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BF7B@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>

Do you know what a boobee is?

It's an insect that hides behinds flowers and scares bees!


p.s.  I try to get my kids to tell their teachers that joke and none of them
will



-----Original Message-----
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com [mailto:max.wanadoo at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:00 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.

> Or...
>
> A blond goes for a job interview. She sits down in front of the 
> interviewer who asks her how old she is. The blond takes a calculator 
> out of her handbag, after a couple of key presses she replies '24.
>
> Next, the interviewer asks her how tall she is. This time she removes 
> a tape measure from her bag, stands up, and measures her height, 
> reading the tape she replies '5 ft 4 inches'.
>
> The next question is 'what is your name'. The blond sways her head 
> from side to side, humming to herself for 15 seconds and then replies 
> 'Cindy'.
>
> Intrigued, the interviewer says 'what were you doing then?'. 'Oh' says 
> the blond, 'I was running through that song in my head'. 'Song?' said 
> the interviewer 'What song?'.
>
> 'You know' replies the blond, 'the one that goes "Happy birthday to 
> you, happy birthday to you.......'.
>
> (Apologies to blonds and people named 'Cindy') Chris Foote (Hard of 
> hearing statistician)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:11 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>>
>>
>> Oh hurrah for some friday humour. Whatever happened to that? How 
>> about
>>
>> A  guy  goes to the doctor and says, "Doctor, I think I'm going 
>> deaf."
>>
>> The doctor says, "What are the symptoms?"
>>
>> The  guy  says, "They're a disfunctional cartoon family with yellow 
>> heads."
>>
>> -- Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
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From shait at stephenhait.com  Fri Oct 26 09:04:44 2007
From: shait at stephenhait.com (Stephen Hait)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:04:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <00b401c817d0$107ad160$8119fea9@LTVM>
References: <005d01c817ce$c1facc80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<00b401c817d0$107ad160$8119fea9@LTVM>
Message-ID: <bb9d2d1e0710260704s7ca85114q86f89b94a300b7d9@mail.gmail.com>

A cowboy stopped in a wayside tavern for a beer.  When he was ready to
move on, his horse  was gone.  He returned to the tavern and shot a
hole in the ceiling and proclaimed his horse had better be there when
he finished another beer or he might have to do what he done in Texas
-- and he didn't want to have to do what he done in Texas.  His horse
re-appeared and he climbed on -- but the bartender came out and said
he was curious about what he did in Texas.  "I had to walk home."

Stephen


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 26 09:11:55 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:11:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
In-Reply-To: <OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>
References: <mailman.3001.1193393006.5613.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<OFA788C18F.A76BE195-ON85257380.003EF2DE-85257380.003F0A24@is002023.gdls.com>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W287B946A3E9CE42A8A35A8D2960@phx.gbl>


I have a DB that imports a text file where every other line is blank.  I just run a delete query AFTER the import...to remove the unwanted rows.  
 
Another aproach would be to open the file for input and output and remove lines you don't want.
 
Will the file import without deleting the unwanted rows (as is)?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> From: ewaldt at gdls.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:28:33 -0400> Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing> > I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating > system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access > to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just > start importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first > 65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP), > and am using VBA, of course.> > TIA.> > Thomas F. Ewald> Stryker Mass Properties> General Dynamics Land Systems> > > This is an e-mail from General Dynamics Land Systems. It is for the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and privileged information. No one else may read, print, store, copy, forward or act in reliance on it or its attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, please return this message to the sender and delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Your cooperation is appreciated.> > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From mfisch4 at capex.com.ar  Fri Oct 26 09:18:31 2007
From: mfisch4 at capex.com.ar (MF)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:18:31 -0300
Subject: [AccessD] No Question and several Jokes
In-Reply-To: <bb9d2d1e0710260704s7ca85114q86f89b94a300b7d9@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <005d01c817ce$c1facc80$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<00b401c817d0$107ad160$8119fea9@LTVM>
	<bb9d2d1e0710260704s7ca85114q86f89b94a300b7d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200710261418.l9QEIZg8013008@databaseadvisors.com>



Two neighboring farmers cannot stop feuding.

One, out hunting, shoots a duck which falls inside the other's field.

Climbing over the fence, he is stopped by farmer 
#2 who claims the duck as his since it ended up in his field.

After much arguing farmer #2 states that he is 
prepared to settle the matter by the Viking method.

He explains that the method involves kicking each 
other in turn between the legs until one gives up, and the other is the winner.

Farmer #1 agrees reluctantly.

Farmer #2 states that since they are on his land, 
he goes first. Farmer #1 stands with legs apart 
and hands on hips while Farmer #2 takes an 
almighty swing with his foot and sends farmer #1 into the air.

After ten minutes writhing on the ground farmer 
#1 eventually gets to his feet and prepares to take his turn.

Farmer #2 turns and walks away saying " O.K. I give in! You keep the duck!"

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First Kid : "My dad is a doctor."
Second kid : "My dad is a lawyer."
First kid : "Honest?"
Second kid : "No, just regular."

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What do vampires cross the sea in?

Blood vessels!

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Have you heard about the magic tractor?


It turned into a field.



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Did you hear about the farmer who won an award?


He was out standing in his field.


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Zebidiah Zacariah joined the army, before long 
there was a call to war and they all lined up to 
receive their kit. Now because the army did 
everything in alphabetical order Zebidiah Zacariah was always last in line.
Whenhe got to the head of the line for his rifle 
there were none left so the seargent gave him a 
broom and said 'point this at the enemy and yell 
bang bang gun!' Zebidiah wasn't to bright so he 
accepted his broom with glee. The smae thing 
happened in the line for grenades and he was 
given lemons and told 'Hurl these at the enemy 
yelling Boom Boom grenade and youll be right.
He went to war and the battling was fierce, he 
threw his lemons and bang banged on his gun for 
all he was worth. Soon he looked around and 
realized there was only him and a guy from the 
other side left alive, he pulled out his broom 
and yelled'Bang Bang Gun!' but the guy kept on 
coming so he hauled off with his lemons yelling 
'Boom Boom grenade! and still the guy kept on 
coming ...until he was almost right on top of 
Zebidiah and Zebidiah heard him say " Rumble Rumble Tank!"


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


A man and a woman were dating. She, being from a 
rather conservative religious background, had 
held back the worldly pleasures that he wanted 
from her so bad. In fact, he had never even seen her naked.

One day, as they driving down the freeway, she 
remarked about his slow driving habits.

"I can't stand it anymore, " she told him. "Look, 
let's play a game. For every 5 miles per hour 
over the speed limit you drive, I'll remove one piece of clothing."

He of course enthusiastically agreed and began speeding up the car.

He reached the 55 MPH mark, so she took off her blouse.

At 60 off came the pants.

At 65 it was her bra and at 70 her panties.

Now seeing her naked for the first time and 
traveling faster than he ever had before, the man 
became very excited and lost control of the car. 
He sweered off the road, over an embankment, and 
wrapped the car around a tree. Luckily for her, 
the girlfriend was thrown clear, but he was 
trapped inside. She tried mightily to pull him free, but alas he was stuck.

"Go to the road and get help, " he said weakly.

"I don't have anything to cover myself with, my 
clothes are all still in the car and I can't reach them! " she replied.

The man felt around, but could only reach one of 
his shoes. "You'll have to put this between your 
legs to cover it up," he told her.

So she did as he said and went up to the road for 
help. Along came a truck driver behind an 
18-wheeler. Seeing a naked, crying woman along 
the road, he naturally pulled over to hear her story.

"My boyfriend! My boyfriend! " she sobed, "He's 
stuck and I can't pull him out!"

The truck driver looking down at the shoe between 
her legs replies, "Ma'am, if he's in that far, I'm afraid he's a goner!


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Q. What do you get if you drop a piano down a mine shaft?


A. A flat minor.


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


When Laura was three months pregnant she fell into a deep coma.

Six months later, she awoke and asked the nearest 
doctor about the fate of her baby.

"You had twins, a boy and a girl, and they are both fine," the doctor told her.

"Luckily, your brother named them for you."

"Oh no, not by brother! He's an idiot! What did he call the girl?"

"Denise," the doctor replied.

Thinking that isn't so bad, she asked, "And what did he call the boy?"

The doctor answered, "Denephew."


---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Teacher: "What is the outermost part of the tree trunk called?"



Student: "I don't know, sir."



Teacher: "Bark, boy, bark."



Student: "Woof ? Woof!"



--------------------------------------------------------------------------






From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Oct 26 09:31:49 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:31:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
Message-ID: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.




From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Fri Oct 26 09:37:45 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 10:37:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
In-Reply-To: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <014701c81780$57fd4d10$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB08C@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

The problem is if the table date is a full date with time. If you try
the exact date you will either lose all those dates or 1/2 depending on
when the time occurs. I ran into this against an ORACLE db.  
 
You can do two things

1) This is what I generally use in both straight access to oracle and
passthrus. It works and saves me pain
*   select where the date is one day prior and after
          Where (Tbldt > #03/02/2007# and TblDt < #03/04/2007# ) 
          WHERE tblStaffTime.fldStfID =[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]

           AND (tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate >
([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate] -1)
             and  tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate <
([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate] + 1;

2) use this function FormatDateTime - I tried it against an Access table
and it worked
   *  add an extra column to your query gui without show checked
       *  In the field portion put  FormatDateTime(fldTimeDate, 2)
       *  In the criteria put = [Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate] 
   *  Actual sql should look like 
        *  WHERE tblStaffTime.fldStfID
=[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]    
           AND (FormatDateTime(tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate,2) =
([Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate])

HTH
Patti      
**************************************************
* Patricia O'Connor
* Associate Computer Programmer Analyst
* OTDA - BDMA
* (W) mailto:Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us
* (w) mailto:aa1160 at nysemail.state.ny.us
**************************************************
 

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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:29 PM
> To: _DBA-Access
> Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
> 
> I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted 
> from A97 to A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but 
> fail in A2k3.
>  
> Problem 1. )
>  
> This is the SQL for the row source of a ListBox (on screen 
> aid) that basically shows the user a miniature summation of 
> what they have already entered in a time sheet:
>  
> SELECT tblStaffTime.fldTimeID, 
>        tblStaffTime.fldStfID,  
>        tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate, 
>        tblStaffTime.fldTimeHours AS Hours, 
>        tlkHourType.fldHrsType AS [Type of Hours], 
>        tlkProgram.fldProgName, 
>        tlkActType.fldActTypeCode 
> FROM tlkProgram RIGHT JOIN (tlkHourType 
>                    RIGHT JOIN (tlkActType 
>                       RIGHT JOIN tblStaffTime 
>                       ON tlkActType.fldActTypeID =
tblStaffTime.fldActTypeID) 
>                    ON tlkHourType.fldHrsTypeID =
tblStaffTime.fldHrsTypeID) 
>                ON tlkProgram.fldProgID = tblStaffTime.fldProgID 
> WHERE tblStaffTime.fldStfID =[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtStfID]    
>    AND tblStaffTime.fldTimeDate =[Forms]![frmEnterTime]![txtTimeDate]
;
>  
> This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, 
> of course, happens to be the most usual case in end user experience.
>  
> I created a separate, identical query and ran it while using 
> the form to try figure out what is going on. It reacts the 
> same way. The query always works except when the date is 
> today. I hard coded the date into the query with no better results.
>  
> I'm running on empty - anyone else have an idea?
>  
>  
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 26 09:46:25 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 07:46:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who shot
my paw."

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Oct 26 10:08:39 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:08:39 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk> <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

That's three legged dog - three --> 3 <--  (darn spell chequer)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who shot
my paw."

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 10:15:06 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:15:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk> <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001f01c817e2$fe3764b0$697aa8c0@M90>

I got all choked up and I threw down my gun
And I called him my paw and he called me his son
And I come away with a different point of view

Well I think about him every now n then
Every time I try n every time I win
And if I ever have a boy, I think I'll call him...
Bill or George... ANYTHING but Sue


Some country legend or another


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who shot
my paw."

Rocky



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Oct 26 10:17:35 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 08:17:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk> <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703AC3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

 
>>(darn spell chequer)
LOL

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

That's three legged dog - three --> 3 <--  (darn spell chequer)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who
shot my paw."

Rocky
 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 10:21:14 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:21:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk> <001501c817de$fc4332a0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002f01c817e2$17909c20$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002b01c817e3$d9d4dc00$697aa8c0@M90>

There aint enough room in this here email for three legs... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 11:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

That's three legged dog - three --> 3 <--  (darn spell chequer)

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

The legged dog walks into a bar and says :"I'm lookin' for the man who shot
my paw."

Rocky
 




 	
	

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:50 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

P.S. No dogs are men were harmed in the preparation of this joke.


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From reuben at gfconsultants.com  Fri Oct 26 10:27:58 2007
From: reuben at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:27:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <8301C8A868251E4C8ECD3D4FFEA40F8A2584BF7B@cpixchng-1.cpiqpc.net>
Message-ID: <DPEKLCIHBOJKCKJECLCPKEIIFDAA.reuben@gfconsultants.com>

I tried to get my son to tell a slightly different version...

What did the ghost say to the bee?     Boobee.

I chuckle just writing it.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of
> rusty.hammond at cpiqpc.com
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 10:03 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
> 
> 
> Do you know what a boobee is?
> 
> It's an insect that hides behinds flowers and scares bees!
> 
> 
> p.s.  I try to get my kids to tell their teachers that joke and 
> none of them
> will





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 11:45:45 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:45:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <014201c817ef$a8779150$8119fea9@LTVM>

This could work.
 
An older, white haired man walked into a jewelry store one Friday evening
with a beautiful young gal at his side.  He told the jeweler he was looking
for a special ring for his girlfriend.
 
The jeweler looked through his stock and brought out a $5,000 ring. The old
man said, "No, I'd like to see something more special."
 
At that statement, the jeweler went to his special stock and brought another
ring over.  "Here's a stunning ring at only $40,000" the jeweler said.  The
young lady's eyes sparkled and her whole body trembled with excitement.  The
old man seeing this said, "We'll take it."
 
The jeweler asked how payment would be made and the old man stated,"by
check. I know you need to make sure my check is good, so I'll write it now
and you can call the bank on Monday to verify the funds and I'll pick the
ring up on Monday afternoon," he said.
 
On Monday morning, the jeweler phoned the old man.  "There's no money in
that account."
 
"I know," said the old man, "But let me tell you about my weekend!
 
Don't mess with Old People.

Max 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:32 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

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My all-time favorite:

There's this guy who really loves his dog. He loves his dog more than
anything in the world, but sadly, the dog has no legs. So  much does this
man love his dog that he has special wooden legs made for his dog, so he can
walk and run. Then, one night, the house caught on fire. The dog burned to
the ground.

You have to be sort of sick to appreciate it...

Susan H.

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct 26 12:54:14 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:54:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
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<This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of course,
happens to be the most usual case in end user experience. ....I'm
running on empty - anyone else have an idea?>

Keep trying until its tomorrow? Sorry I couldn't resist :-)
Jim Hale


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 13:34:09 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:34:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] ERP experts for writing job
Message-ID: <005301c817fe$ce867730$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

http://seeker.dice.com/jobsearch/servlet/JobSearch?op=302&dockey=xml/4/5/453382e3bcb86b1b72a7cdf457de1b49 at endecaindex&source=19&FREE_TEXT=writer

====I know some of you are experts in this area. 

Susan H. 

From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 13:54:33 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:54:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.

Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

;)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was
no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It
is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many
years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats
him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish
Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 13:57:20 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:57:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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A hydrogen atom walks into a bar:

Hydrogen Atom:"I think I lost my electron in here."
Bartender:"Are you sure?"
Hydrogen Atom:"I'm positive!"

;)

Drew
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 13:57:57 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:57:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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My daughters first joke was why did the dog drink water?  He didn't want
to become a hot dog.

Drew

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I tried to get my son to tell a slightly different version...

What did the ghost say to the bee?     Boobee.

I chuckle just writing it.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
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> 
> Do you know what a boobee is?
> 
> It's an insect that hides behinds flowers and scares bees!
> 
> 
> p.s.  I try to get my kids to tell their teachers that joke and 
> none of them
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 14:02:40 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:02:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
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Egads, that sounds ugly!

Dim i as long
Dim f as long
Dim strArray() as string
Dim strTemp as string	
Dim strFilePath as string
strFilePath="C:\YourImportFile.txt"
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access read as f
strtemp=space(lof(f))
get f,,strtemp
close f
strArray=split(strtemp,vbcrlf)
kill strfilepath
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access write as f
for i=65 to ubound(strarray())
	put f,,strarray(i)
next i
close f


Drew

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I do it by opening a file for input and a file for output, read line by
line, count 65 lines, then start writing out to the output file on line
66. 


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I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell
Access
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just
start
importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002
(XP),
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 14:04:13 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:04:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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You are SO 0 1

Susan H. 


> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
> 
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
> 



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Oct 26 14:20:54 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:20:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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Chr(84) Chr(104) Chr(97) Chr(110) Chr(107) Chr(115)

Chr(68) Chr(114) Chr(101) Chr(119)

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You are SO 0 1

Susan H. 


> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
> 
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
> 

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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 14:22:32 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:22:32 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
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Thanks to all who responded. The DateTime field was the issue and formatting
it for date only resolved the issue.

Now, why did this work as originally written in A97.




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 14:26:42 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:26:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Query oddity
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Jim,
This will be my initial response to the customer :o))) 

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<This works as expected EXCEPT when the date is today. Which, of course,
happens to be the most usual case in end user experience. ....I'm running on
empty - anyone else have an idea?>

Keep trying until its tomorrow? Sorry I couldn't resist :-) Jim Hale




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 14:37:52 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:37:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
Message-ID: <020001c81807$b2e13340$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.

Problem 2. )

(Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)

SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between DATE1 -1 and
between DATE2 +1

 

BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it seems to be many
of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 14:42:06 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 15:42:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE023C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <00da01c81808$4d01d5b0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

There goes that accent again... 

Susan H. 


> Chr(84) Chr(104) Chr(97) Chr(110) Chr(107) Chr(115)
> 
> Chr(68) Chr(114) Chr(101) Chr(119)



From markamatte at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 26 15:12:17 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:12:17 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
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Someone mentioned this to me yesterday...but it was about A2K2.  I tested on a number field and it WAS inclusive.  Is it related to dates?...or what are the circumstances?
 
Thanks,
 
Mark A. Matte
> From: john at winhaven.net> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:37:52 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] SQL between> > I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to> A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.> > Problem 2. )> > (Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)> > SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between DATE1 -1 and> between DATE2 +1> > > > BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it seems to be many> of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?> > > > -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Oct 26 15:17:06 2007
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2007 09:17:06 +1300
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
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John,

Can you say more about the context in which you are seeing this problem.

As far as I know, there has been no change in the behaviour of 
Between...And in Access 2003, and it certainly is inclusive for me, in 
query criteria, and in SQL strings constructed in VBA.

Regards
Steve


John Bartow wrote:
> I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
> A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.
> 
> Problem 2. )
> 
> (Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)
> 
> SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between DATE1 -1 and
> between DATE2 +1
> 
>  
> 
> BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it seems to be many
> of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?
> 
> 
> 


From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Fri Oct 26 15:58:13 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:58:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7206@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Between #10/29/2002# And #11/12/2002# will return different results
depending on whether the underlying field in the table has a time value or
not.

If it does not have a time value, then all date values are implicitly some
date at 12 midnight. So Between #10/29/2002# And #11/12/2002# will return
all the records that have a date of 10/29/2002 to 11/12/2002 inclusive. 

However, if the date field does store a time value as well, explicitly, then
the exact same criterion Between #10/29/2002# And #11/12/2002# has a
different effect.

If will return all records where the date field is 10/29/2002 (at any time
of the day, as we implicitly have asked to start at midnight) up to
11/11/2002, plus any records which just happen to have a date value of
11/12/2002 00:00:00 AM. 

In other words, just any amount of time after midnight on 11/12/2002 is
sufficient to exclude a record from the results. So Between is , and always
has been inclusive, but it always uses the time part of date fields, which
is what trips some people up occasionally. :-)

Lambert

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I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted from A97 to
A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but fail in A2k3.

Problem 2. )

(Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)

SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between DATE1 -1 and
between DATE2 +1

 

BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it seems to be many
of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?



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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Fri Oct 26 16:25:05 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:25:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
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I stopped using the BETWEEN in all my queries using dates about 7 years
ago.  Doesn't matter to me what database  ORACLE, MS SQL, SYBASE,
ACCESS, ETC..   It is safer and more accurate to use.  This way I also
don't mess up going from one to another.

As I said in the query problem before it has to do with a date having
date/time.  A certain "time" during the day will not get selected when
just using a plain date in the where statement.  

WHERE tbldate > day_before_start_dt and tbldate < day_after_End_date
Where tbledate > '31-AUG-2005' and tbldate < '01-OCT-2005' 

What fun
Have a great weekend
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> Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
> 
> I have recently found a couple of issues in an app converted 
> from A97 to A2k3. The items of questions worked in A97 but 
> fail in A2k3.
> 
> Problem 2. )
> 
> (Well, I guess this is more of a heads up.)
> 
> SQL between is not inclusive. So now I have to do a between 
> DATE1 -1 and between DATE2 +1
> 
>  
> 
> BTW I've always though it odd that it was inclusive but it 
> seems to be many of the SQL products but not in others. Standards!?
> 
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From robert at webedb.com  Fri Oct 26 16:28:11 2007
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert L. Stewart)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:28:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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At 05:03 AM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:46:45 -0400
>From: "Arthur Fuller" <fuller.artful at gmail.com>
>Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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>1. What's a legal alien?

My wife and daughter.  Here in the USA from Russia on a
US visa. Legal, but alien to the USA.

>2. When someone says I slept like a baby, do they mean waking up every two
>hours screaming, with a full diaper?

or Sleep like the dead, not breathing, cold and starting to decay????


>Three statisticians went duck hunting. The first one shot 5 feet too high.
>The second one shot 5 feet too low. The third one said, "We got him!"


Sounds like an Aggie joke.  :-)


>Arthur




From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Fri Oct 26 16:59:29 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:59:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: one last  Friday Humor
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF81@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


One more for the road........

Ed was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary. His wife was
really 
angry. She told him "Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a gift in the
driveway 
that goes from 0 to 200 in less than 6 seconds AND IT BETTER BE THERE!" 

The next morning Ed got up early and left for work. When his wife woke
up she 
looked out the window and sure enough there was a box gift-wrapped in
the middle 
of the driveway. Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran out to the 
driveway, and brought the box back in the house. 

She opened it and found a brand new bathroom scale. 
Ed has been missing since Friday. Please pray for him. 



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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Fri Oct 26 17:18:12 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 23:18:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: one last  Friday Humor
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> Subject: [AccessD] OT: one last Friday Humor
> 
> 
> 
> One more for the road........
> 
> Ed was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary. His 
> wife was really 
> angry. She told him "Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a 
> gift in the driveway 
> that goes from 0 to 200 in less than 6 seconds AND IT BETTER 
> BE THERE!" 
> 
> The next morning Ed got up early and left for work. When his 
> wife woke up she 
> looked out the window and sure enough there was a box 
> gift-wrapped in the middle 
> of the driveway. Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran 
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> driveway, and brought the box back in the house. 
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From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 17:23:12 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:23:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: one last  Friday Humor
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LOL! 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hale, Jim

One more for the road........

Ed was in trouble. He forgot his wedding anniversary. His wife was really
angry. She told him "Tomorrow morning, I expect to find a gift in the
driveway that goes from 0 to 200 in less than 6 seconds AND IT BETTER BE
THERE!" 

The next morning Ed got up early and left for work. When his wife woke up
she looked out the window and sure enough there was a box gift-wrapped in
the middle of the driveway. Confused, the wife put on her robe and ran out
to the driveway, and brought the box back in the house. 

She opened it and found a brand new bathroom scale. 
Ed has been missing since Friday. Please pray for him. 




From john at winhaven.net  Fri Oct 26 17:23:12 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:23:12 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL between
In-Reply-To: <020001c81807$b2e13340$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <020001c81807$b2e13340$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <023201c8181e$cc0abb40$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

Thanks for the responses to this.

I had actually composed this at the same time as the Query Oddity message. I
believe it probably is a DateTime type issue again. 

I'm now going through all DateTime related items and making sure they
reference the new functions I added which eliminates this issue.

I'll review the rest of my messages concerning my newly found issues before
sending them to the list.

Sorry for the confusion.




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 18:12:50 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:12:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE0223@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two types,
and those that don't... 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.

Those who understand binary, and those who don't.

;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Hi Susan and Max

Now, how sick are these jokes!
More please.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
Digger
"but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many years,
I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish Skip
was here now, he would love those bones".

Max
 
Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.

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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Fri Oct 26 19:34:35 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:34:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and 
jc :)

William

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From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types,
> and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish 
> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 20:16:10 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:16:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


John W. Colby
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and
jc :)

William

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types,
> and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.  It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish 
> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 26 20:19:04 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:19:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
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LOL, what did you gain with that?  I can (and do) open files of 10 gigabytes
with my method.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 3:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

Egads, that sounds ugly!

Dim i as long
Dim f as long
Dim strArray() as string
Dim strTemp as string	
Dim strFilePath as string
strFilePath="C:\YourImportFile.txt"
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access read as f
strtemp=space(lof(f))
get f,,strtemp
close f
strArray=split(strtemp,vbcrlf)
kill strfilepath
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access write as f for i=65 to ubound(strarray())
	put f,,strarray(i)
next i
close f


Drew

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:22 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I do it by opening a file for input and a file for output, read line by
line, count 65 lines, then start writing out to the output file on line 66. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of ewaldt at gdls.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:29 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell Access
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just start
importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002 (XP),
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Oct 26 20:24:22 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 21:24:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
References: <s722168e.078@cactus.dk><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE0223@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net><001101c81825$bb8d8610$647aa8c0@M90><004401c81831$271ac8b0$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
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Dim c As Colbized

Susan H. 



> ;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.
\


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Oct 28 18:45:57 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:45:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <001901c81836$f5e7aa00$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE029C@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Don't you mean fizzling, not dizzying?

;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them,
and
jc :)

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types,
> and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger
was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.
It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats
him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish

> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
>
> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for
the
> person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI 
> Proprietary
> and/or II-VI BusinessSensitve material. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the
material 
> in
> its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that
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> of,
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Oct 28 18:46:43 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 18:46:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing
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I know, just seems ugly... ;)

Drew

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LOL, what did you gain with that?  I can (and do) open files of 10
gigabytes
with my method.


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Egads, that sounds ugly!

Dim i as long
Dim f as long
Dim strArray() as string
Dim strTemp as string	
Dim strFilePath as string
strFilePath="C:\YourImportFile.txt"
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access read as f
strtemp=space(lof(f))
get f,,strtemp
close f
strArray=split(strtemp,vbcrlf)
kill strfilepath
f=freefile
open strfilepath for binary access write as f for i=65 to
ubound(strarray())
	put f,,strarray(i)
next i
close f


Drew

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I do it by opening a file for input and a file for output, read line by
line, count 65 lines, then start writing out to the output file on line
66. 


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Subject: [AccessD] Eliminating lines of text before importing

I have a semicolon-delimited text file coming in from another operating
system. The data I want to import begins on line 66. How can I tell
Access
to either delete the first 65 lines before importing the data, or just
start
importing on line 66? At this point the user has to delete the first
65 lines manually, but I'd like to automate this. I have Access 2002
(XP),
and am using VBA, of course.

TIA.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Oct 28 19:43:53 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:43:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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LOL, I didn't say it.  Just quoting my admirers.

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Don't you mean fizzling, not dizzying?

;)

Drew

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;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


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...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and
jc :)

William

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> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types, and those that don't...
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Oct 28 22:53:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2007 20:53:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ERP experts for writing job
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Thanks for the heads up.  Looks like you have to be an Edwards user to
qualify but I sent them my c.v. anyway.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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From ewaldt at gdls.com  Mon Oct 29 05:31:22 2007
From: ewaldt at gdls.com (ewaldt at gdls.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 06:31:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Subject: Re: Eliminating lines of text before importing
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Mark:

I experimented with this after I posted the message, before receiving any 
answers, and ended up importing and then running a delete query (with null 
for the blank lines, and also deleting some other unwanted lines - e.g., 
totals - that I didn't want to import). I had thought Access would mess up 
the import, since a blank line has no fields (duh), but I created an 
import spec and had Access use that, and it did just fine.

I'd still like to learn how to do it the other way, though, just for my 
own knowledge's sake.

Thomas F. Ewald
Stryker Mass Properties
General Dynamics Land Systems


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I have a DB that imports a text file where every other line is blank.  I 
just run a delete query AFTER the import...to remove the unwanted rows.  



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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 06:25:48 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:25:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710290425w9105293y9eef83768d43c3b6@mail.gmail.com>

Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


TIA
Arthur


From Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com  Mon Oct 29 06:45:59 2007
From: Chris.Foote at uk.thalesgroup.com (Foote, Chris)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:45:59 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
Message-ID: <7303A459C921B5499AF732CCEEAD2B7F064D1226@craws161660.int.rdel.co.uk>

Hi Arthur!

Depending upon Operating System you may find you'll have to use forward
slashes "/" rather than back slashes "\".

I've had all sorts of games with this on HTML docs on Apache servers.

HTH!
Chris Foote

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> 
> 
> Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which 
> stores (gasp)
> images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the 
> references to
> this directory relative to the home directory but I can't 
> make it work. I've
> tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
> "..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 07:01:26 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:01:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
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currentapplication.path 


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Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images

Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 07:15:49 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:15:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
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Sorry Arthur, that should have been 

currentproject.Path 


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currentapplication.path 


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images

Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


TIA
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From JHewson at karta.com  Mon Oct 29 08:30:19 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:30:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
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I take this one step further.
I store the name of the image file in a table.  That way I don't have to worry about changing the code to replace the image - all I do is change the field in the table.

I use:
        Images.Picture = Application.CurrentProject.Path & "\images\" & GraphicFile

Images is the name of the image container.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
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Sorry Arthur, that should have been 

currentproject.Path 


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currentapplication.path 


John W. Colby
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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images

Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


TIA
Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 09:16:08 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:16:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
Message-ID: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That is
where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the number
of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged one
time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Oct 29 09:33:09 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:33:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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But does that class have error trapping and can it function outside of a
framework? 
Jim Hale 

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;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


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Hindman
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To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them,
and
jc :)

William

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types,
> and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
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> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
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>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
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> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger
was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.
It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats
him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish

> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 29 09:39:28 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:39:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
Message-ID: <s725fece.001@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

It could be: ".\Images\logo.jpg"

Same goes for the icon file of the app: ".\appicon.ico"

/gustav


>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-10-2007 12:25 >>>
Within my app's directory is a directory called Images, which stores (gasp)
images used by the app, such as logos. I'd like to make the references to
this directory relative to the home directory but I can't make it work. I've
tried various syntaxes without success (i.e. "Images\logo.jpg" and
"..\Images\logo.jpg"). Is there a way to do this?


TIA
Arthur




From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Mon Oct 29 09:54:03 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:54:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend
In-Reply-To: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA05E88F@exch1.Onappsad.net>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF69@corp-es01.fleetpride.loc
	al> <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA05E88F@exch1.Onappsad.net>
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF85@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


I finally was able to check the DB this weekend. It was set to shared
mode. Good thought though, thanks
Jim Hale

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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 11:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access as web backend

Jim,

Is the database opened in shared or exclusive mode?  Be sure that it is
shared.  From the database window, click on Options then select the
Advanced tab.  The Default Open Mode should be set to Shared.

Joe O'Connell

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Subject: [AccessD] Access as web backend


I have just relaunched my web site www.therareshop.com. It uses an off
the shelf shopping cart template spiffed up by a web programmer. Access
serves as the backend database. I noticed by accident in testing that if
two users click on the same product link at the same time one will get a
"file in use" error. Not very good for the hundreds of simultaneous
shoppers (hey I can dream can't I). Is this a) bad design or b) a
function of Access and c) is there a fix besides using SQL server?
Jim Hale


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 29 09:59:09 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:59:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703AF8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The only information I have is logic and a long ago session with a SQL
guru.  NOT IN will always be slower because it has to examine ever
record in the dataset to return a value.  IN is faster because it only
needs to examine records until it finds a match.  Of course, if the
match is in the last record, then there's no difference in speed.  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That
is where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the
PK (or any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all
records "not in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the
number of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in
tblClaimLogged one time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN
tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be
in there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 10:02:18 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:02:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710290802o4217fe07ie71889e8c6516201@mail.gmail.com>

If the column being searched for matches is indexed, then SQL builds a
"table" in memory from your IN() clause. If the column is not indexed, SQL
has no choice but to do a full table scan.

A.

On 10/29/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That
> is
> where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
> any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not
> in"
> the outer joined table?
>
> Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
> overhead because of the where clause?
>
> In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
> tblClaim.
> Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the
> number
> of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged
> one
> time.
>
> Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.
> Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.
>
> Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
> records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
> there once.
>
> Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 10:04:37 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:04:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
References: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710290804r286975b6r903d611595961cc2@mail.gmail.com>

I clicked Send too quickly. I didn't realize that you wanted so many records
in your NOT IN() clause. For that many rows, I would do the join instead.

Arthur

On 10/29/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That
> is
> where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
> any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not
> in"
> the outer joined table?
>
> Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
> overhead because of the where clause?
>
> In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
> tblClaim.
> Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the
> number
> of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged
> one
> time.
>
> Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.
> Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.
>
> Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
> records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
> there once.
>
> Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 10:17:46 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:17:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
In-Reply-To: <s725fece.001@cactus.dk>
References: <s725fece.001@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710290817h16d1823fqc0eb8c860907106@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting. The app is being run in Access 2000, which doesn't support
this. I didn't try it in A2K3 or higher yet.

Thanks, all.
Arthur

On 10/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> It could be: ".\Images\logo.jpg"
>
> Same goes for the icon file of the app: ".\appicon.ico"
>
> /gustav
>


From Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca  Mon Oct 29 10:20:57 2007
From: Drawbridge.Jack at ic.gc.ca (Drawbridge, Jack: SBMS)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:20:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B0A6A9187@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>

John,
If you are timing queries using IN and Not IN, you may wish to try 
EXISTS and NOT Exists. We have had many queries that were just "too
slow" with IN operator that were speeded up by using Exists.

eg

SELECT claimId 
FROM tblClaim
where NOT EXISTS 
  (select "x" from  tblClaimLogged WHERE tblClaim.claimId =
tblClaimLogged.claimId)
 
Jack

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That
is
where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK
(or
any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not
in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the
number
of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged
one
time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN
tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be
in
there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Mon Oct 29 10:30:02 2007
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:30:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cumulative sum
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDB6@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Hi All,
I think this should be easy but I can't figure it out.  To simplify, say
you have three fields, ProviderNo, ReportDate, ActiveClients.  So, if
you have 3 months of data for a provider you can create a chart plotting
each month.  Is there a way in a query to get the sum of the 3 months?  
MTIA,
Ed
 
Edward P. Tesiny
Assistant Director for Evaluation
Bureau of Evaluation and Practice Improvement
New York State OASAS
1450 Western Ave.
Albany, New York  12203-3526
Phone:  (518) 485-7189
Fax:  (518) 485-5769
Email: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 29 10:31:31 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:31:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
Message-ID: <s7260b08.005@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Even more interesting. It works in A97.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-10-2007 16:17 >>>
Interesting. The app is being run in Access 2000, which doesn't support
this. I didn't try it in A2K3 or higher yet.

Thanks, all.
Arthur

On 10/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> It could be: ".\Images\logo.jpg"
>
> Same goes for the icon file of the app: ".\appicon.ico"
>
> /gustav




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 29 10:43:11 2007
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (max.wanadoo at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 15:43:11 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF84@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <00c301c81a42$69cb3d30$8119fea9@LTVM>

Q. does that class have error trapping
A, Yes - This List
Q. can it function outside of a framework? 
A. Obviously not.

Max


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


But does that class have error trapping and can it function outside of a
framework? 
Jim Hale 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and
jc :)

William

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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types, and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger
was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.
It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years,
> I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit and eats
him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish

> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 29 10:46:17 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 08:46:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
Message-ID: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?  Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky
 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Oct 29 11:11:42 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:11:42 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
Message-ID: <s7261471.008@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

We've always used Help Magican 3.0, a 16 bit program from the days of Access 2.0, to create hlp files. Great program, and on today's equipment it compiles at an incredible speed. You may be able to obtain a copy on Ebay filed under antiques!

But now you have to use the html help file format which I don't like. Others may chime in here with advice.

/gustav

>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 29-10-2007 16:46 >>>
Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?  Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 11:20:27 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:20:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710290804r286975b6r903d611595961cc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
	<29f585dd0710290804r286975b6r903d611595961cc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c81a47$9ecacc30$647aa8c0@M90>

Actually I don't want either.  I am not using an IN() clause, nor NOT IN().
I am using an outer join TableA to TableB with a where clause "some field in
tableB is null".  I call that a "not in" query because it shows you where
records in TableA are "not in" TableB.


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:05 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

I clicked Send too quickly. I didn't realize that you wanted so many records
in your NOT IN() clause. For that many rows, I would do the join instead.

Arthur

On 10/29/07, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  
> That is where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set 
> on the PK (or any field really) of the outer joined table to discover 
> all records "not in"
> the outer joined table?
>
> Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more 
> overhead because of the where clause?
>
> In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in 
> tblClaim.
> Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the 
> number of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in 
> tblClaimLogged one time.
>
> Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.
> Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.
>
> Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of 
> the records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can 
> only be in there once.
>
> Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 11:21:13 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:21:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B0A6A9187@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>
References: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
	<0F3AFAE449DD4A40BED8B6C4A97ABF5B0A6A9187@MSG-MB3.icent.ic.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <002c01c81a47$b9b9f070$647aa8c0@M90>

Sorry, this is not using an IN() clause in any manner.  See my response to
Arthur. 


John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drawbridge, Jack:
SBMS
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

John,
If you are timing queries using IN and Not IN, you may wish to try EXISTS
and NOT Exists. We have had many queries that were just "too slow" with IN
operator that were speeded up by using Exists.

eg

SELECT claimId
FROM tblClaim
where NOT EXISTS
  (select "x" from  tblClaimLogged WHERE tblClaim.claimId =
tblClaimLogged.claimId)
 
Jack

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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That is
where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the number
of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged one
time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Oct 29 11:21:57 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:21:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
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References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF84@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
	<00c301c81a42$69cb3d30$8119fea9@LTVM>
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ROTFL. 


John W. Colby
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

Q. does that class have error trapping
A, Yes - This List
Q. can it function outside of a framework? 
A. Obviously not.

Max


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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke


But does that class have error trapping and can it function outside of a
framework? 
Jim Hale 

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

;-)  In a class by myself, dizzying intellect and all.


John W. Colby
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:35 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke

...and here I was thinking there were three types of people ...we, them, and
jc :)

William

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> Actually the two types of people are those who divide people into two 
> types, and those that don't...
>
>
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Ya know, there are 10 types of people in this world.
>
> Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
>
> ;)
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav
Brock
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:32 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Two Questions and a Joke
>
> Hi Susan and Max
>
> Now, how sick are these jokes!
> More please.
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 26-10-2007 14:59 >>>
> Digger and his dog Skip were walking in the outback.  Northern
territories
> are infamous for the number of people who get lost there and Digger
was no
> exception.   After a few days his water ran out.  "Sorry Skip", says
> Digger
> "but no water".  A few days later his grub runs out.  A few days more
and
> Digger is starving hungry.  He looks at Skip and says, "sorry mate.
It is
> you or me and as much as I love you as the faithfully friend for many 
> years, I have no option".  So he kills Skip, roasts him over a spit 
> and eats
him.
> When he has eaten, he looks down at the pile of bones and says "I wish

> Skip
> was here now, he would love those bones".
>
> Max
>
> Ps.  Only one dog was harmed during the making of this joke.
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Oct 29 11:25:42 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 09:25:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Relative path for images
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References: <s7260b08.005@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B04@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I don't know why it wouldn't work in A2k (well, except for the fact that
it IS A2k!) since it's actually a Windows shorthand.  I do recall that
at least some of the versions replaced the relative path for icons and
images with a fixed path somewhere along the ... er, path. LOL

Charlotte Foust 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:32 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Relative path for images

Hi Arthur

Even more interesting. It works in A97.

/gustav

>>> fuller.artful at gmail.com 29-10-2007 16:17 >>>
Interesting. The app is being run in Access 2000, which doesn't support
this. I didn't try it in A2K3 or higher yet.

Thanks, all.
Arthur

On 10/29/07, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:
>
> Hi Arthur
>
> It could be: ".\Images\logo.jpg"
>
> Same goes for the icon file of the app: ".\appicon.ico"
>
> /gustav


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Oct 29 12:16:13 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:16:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed
In-Reply-To: <002101c81a36$40a60f40$647aa8c0@M90>
Message-ID: <06048CA5DE0B48DE9E4B124AC9ECE5FF@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi John:

Other than it is the SLOWEST, most resource hungry query there is in the
world of SQL and even running a 'loop' usually is significantly faster.

In one particular situation when adding a huge amount of data, to a table,
creating a unique key (also not usually recommended when adding large
amounts of data) and testing for data collision errors produced a superior
result.

Jim  

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
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Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] "Not In" query speed

Does anyone have any information on the speed of a "not in" query?  That is
where an outer join to a table is used and then a filter set on the PK (or
any field really) of the outer joined table to discover all records "not in"
the outer joined table?

Is the speed the same as an inner join would have been?  Is there more
overhead because of the where clause?  

In other words, assume a table where there are 50K claim records in
tblClaim.  
Assume that there are 25K records in TblClaimLogged (exactly 1/2 the number
of records in tblClaim) and that each ClaimID is only in tblClaimLogged one
time.  

Now do an inner join to discover which records are IN tblClaimLogged.  
Now do an outer join to discover which records are NOT IN tblClaimLogged.  

Both queries should return exactly 25K records since exactly 1/2 of the
records in tblClaim are in tblClaimLogged, and each record can only be in
there once.

Do the two queries return the result sets in the same amount of time?

John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 29 12:23:33 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:23:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
In-Reply-To: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <001c01c81a50$6ee36000$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Rocky,

Well - I've been trying to use .chm files, and am having bad luck.
Apparently, MS has found a possibility (remote) that a .chm file could have
malicious code in it.  So now to open a .chm file on a company's network
using a hyperlink or using ShellExecute requires that they 'relax' their
security setting a bit.  I haven't been able to find the exact details.  A
.chm file can still be opened directly.

By coincidence, I was going to begin writing a help file today.  But what
I'm going to do is to just create a small web site that can be opened by my
application.  This can contain text, screenshots, links to other files, and
links to short videos I make to show some intricate aspect of the user
interface.  I hope this works!

Good Luck,
Dan

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Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help

Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?  Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From shamil at users.mns.ru  Mon Oct 29 13:01:54 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 21:01:54 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
In-Reply-To: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000301c81a55$ca8a1b10$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi Rocky,

You can try this software:

http://www.helpgenerator.com/downloadacchelp.htm 

It has free trial version and it can generate html help skeleton including
screenshots with hotspots from MS Access 2000-2007 projects. It has also
quite some other goodies useful for HTML help authoring process...

--
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 6:46 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help

Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?  Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 29 13:12:11 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 11:12:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
Message-ID: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 


From joeo at appoli.com  Mon Oct 29 13:47:12 2007
From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:47:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help
References: <003201c81a42$d8cebbd0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <AB9121797C57DB488F684C0E2BDA52AA1B3AF4@exch1.Onappsad.net>

Rocky,

Years ago I used Doc-to-Help to create both a manual and help file for a
commercial application.  As I recall, it was essentially a Word template
and macros that allows one document to produce both the manual and help
file.  It has coding built in to be able to mark passages of the
document to be included only in the printed manual or only in the help
file.  It was extremely easy to use and produced very well indexed help
files.  I have not done anything with it lately, but I would assume that
the current version would be much better than what I used.

Joe O'Connell


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
at Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:46 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] On-Line Help

Dear List:
 
Comes now the part of the book I'm writing where I talk about creating
the
user manual.  But I also want to give some direction to creating on-line
help.  If you have ever done this, what product or method did you use?
Any
advice about doing this greatly appreciated.
 
MMTIA
 
Rocky
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 29 13:49:16 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 13:49:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


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Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
Rocky
 

 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Oct 29 14:03:43 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:03:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
	<002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

That will definitely help.  I'll probably define some hot key to trigger the
spell check since the user may want it off - or maybe a check box and use
the enter/exit approach.  

The DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling if call separately, does that normally
run on all the text boxes on the form or just the text box that has the
focus?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Oct 29 14:18:08 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:18:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check
In-Reply-To: <008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <007d01c81a57$3f1b2680$0301a8c0@HAL9005><002301c81a5c$68c54010$0200a8c0@danwaters>
	<008b01c81a5e$6cebf470$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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The code I listed was a little simplified.  In my app I have a User Settings
form.  One of the settings is if a user wants the auto-spellcheck turned on.
That value is stored in a tblPeopleMain field, and it's value is True by
default.

The reason this is only checking a specific field is because all the text in
that field is selected in code.  I've never tried to run acCmdSpelling
without selecting text first!  

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

That will definitely help.  I'll probably define some hot key to trigger the
spell check since the user may want it off - or maybe a check box and use
the enter/exit approach.  

The DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling if call separately, does that normally
run on all the text boxes on the form or just the text box that has the
focus?

Thanks and regards,

Rocky



 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:49 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Spell Check

Hi Rocky,

To do spellchecking on textboxes I use this code I've developed through
trial & error.  It works pretty well - although I've had one 'user' try to
paste a long email into a textbox field and then crash the whole database.
I retrained him in alternate methods!

First, you need to declare a modular variable for each form you'll be using
this in like this: 


	Private MvarOriginalText As Variant


Second, you need to enter the following into the Enter and Exit events of
each textbox (here called memDescription):


	Private Sub memDescription_Enter()

    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription

	End Sub

	Private Sub memDescription_Exit(Delete As Integer)

    		Call SpellCheckField(memDescription, MvarOriginalText)
    		MvarOriginalText = memDescription
    
	End Sub


Third, put these two procedures into a standard module:


	Public Sub SpellCheckField(varField As Variant, varOriginalFieldText
As Variant)
    
    		If IsNull(varField) Or varField = "" Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If varField = varOriginalFieldText Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		Call Spellcheck
    
    		Exit Sub

	End Sub

	Public Sub Spellcheck()

    		Dim ctl As Control
    		Dim lngText As Long
    		Dim varFieldContents As Variant
    
    		Set ctl = Screen.ActiveControl

    		If Not ctl.ControlType = acTextBox Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		If ctl.Locked = True Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If
    
    		If ctl.Enabled = False Then
        		Exit Sub
    		End If

    		ctl.SelStart = 0
    		ctl.SelLength = Len(ctl.Text)
    
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings False
    		DoCmd.RunCommand acCmdSpelling
    		DoCmd.SetWarnings True
    
    		Set ctl = Nothing
    
    		Exit Sub
    
	End Sub

This ends up working the way a person would probably intuitively expect
automatic spellchecking to work.  The user doesn't have to take any action,
it just pops up the spellchecking window if something is misspelled, and
doesn't do anything at all if all the text is spelled correctly.

Hope this helps!

Dan


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 1:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Spell Check

Dear List:
 
Is there a way through code to trigger the spell checker on a specific
field?   I think the F7 hotkey does all the fields.   
 
MTIA
 
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From Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us  Mon Oct 29 16:31:33 2007
From: Patricia.O'Connor at otda.state.ny.us (O'Connor, Patricia (OTDA))
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 17:31:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cumulative sum
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDB6@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC77FFDB6@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <01DBAB52E30A9A4AB3D94EF8029EDBE8021BB0A3@EXCNYSM0A1AI.nysemail.nyenet>

Ed
It depends on how the ReportDate is created. Is it a full real date or
say just the beginning of each month.  Do you want each month summed or
all three together?  Is ActiveClients a count or Indicator?

I assume this is Access gui
1) IF real date and want each month and ActiveClients is count
    SELECT  ProviderNo,
            FORMAT(ReportDate,"MM/YYYY") as RptDt,
                         or FORMAT(ReportDate, "MM/01/YYYY"
            SUM(ActiveClients) as ActClient
    FROM Tbl1
    GROUP BY ProviderNo,
             FORMAT(ReportDate,"MM/YYYY") 
 
2) IF real date and want each month and activeclient is indicator
     SELECT  ProviderNo,
             FORMAT(ReportDate,"MM/YYYY") as RptDt,
                         or FORMAT(ReportDate, "MM/01/YYYY"
             SUM (IIF(ActiveClients = TRUE,1,0) as ActClient
    FROM Tbl1
    GROUP BY ProviderNo,
             FORMAT(ReportDate,"MM/YYYY") 

I didn't have time to fully test this but it is what I remember
HTH 
Patti   
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> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 11:30 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Cumulative sum
> 
> Hi All,
> I think this should be easy but I can't figure it out.  To 
> simplify, say you have three fields, ProviderNo, ReportDate, 
> ActiveClients.  So, if you have 3 months of data for a 
> provider you can create a chart plotting each month.  Is 
> there a way in a query to get the sum of the 3 months?  
> MTIA,
> Ed
>  
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Oct 30 08:42:04 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:42:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F0FA7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that
a user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then
set the auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the
chart but it still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of
the chart disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or
off so the unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions
appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799

 

 

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From Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com  Tue Oct 30 09:02:47 2007
From: Jim.Hale at FleetPride.com (Hale, Jim)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:02:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE
Message-ID: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF90@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>


http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA102388991033.aspx

I just ran across this.
Jim Hale


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From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 30 09:20:46 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:20:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

Can you set the chart's Enabled property to False? That should prevent it
getting the focus.

Lambert

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that a
user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then set the
auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the chart but it
still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of the chart
disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or off so the
unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Oct 30 09:50:16 2007
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:50:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
In-Reply-To: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
Message-ID: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>

That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that
the user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set
the focus to an invisible dummy text box.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

Can you set the chart's Enabled property to False? That should prevent
it
getting the focus.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that
a
user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then set
the
auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the chart but it
still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of the chart
disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or off so the
unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 10:07:15 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:07:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>
	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Have you tried Enabled = False, Locked = True?  I don't work with charts
on forms, so I'm not sure both properties are available.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that
the user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set
the focus to an invisible dummy text box.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

Can you set the chart's Enabled property to False? That should prevent
it getting the focus.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that
a user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then
set the auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the
chart but it still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of
the chart disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or
off so the unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions
appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 10:43:11 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:43:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <015001c81b0b$b0b7b9c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

> That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
> chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
> event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that
> the user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set
> the focus to an invisible dummy text box.

======You'll get calls -- "It's broke....when I click it, it takes me back 
to ... "

Susan H. 



From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com  Tue Oct 30 10:52:19 2007
From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:52:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
Message-ID: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7259@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>

You won't be able to set the focus to an *invisible* textbox, but you can
set the height and width of a visible control to some tiny number like 0.01.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that the
user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set the
focus to an invisible dummy text box.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:21 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

Can you set the chart's Enabled property to False? That should prevent it
getting the focus.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue


I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that a
user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then set the
auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the chart but it
still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of the chart
disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or off so the
unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions appreciated.

 

Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

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From JHewson at karta.com  Tue Oct 30 10:56:26 2007
From: JHewson at karta.com (Jim Hewson)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:56:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
In-Reply-To: <015001c81b0b$b0b7b9c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<015001c81b0b$b0b7b9c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0BFD06@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>

I would think, a msgbox on the click and double-click events, indicating it cannot be modified then refocus on the previous control work.  The user would then know it's not broken and it's by design it cannot be edited.

Jim 
jhewson at karta.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

> That works but the undesirable side effect is that the background of the
> chart changes to gray. One idea I came up with was to create an onclick
> event for the chart that sets the focus back to the first text box that
> the user can edit the default value in. It might also be possible to set
> the focus to an invisible dummy text box.

======You'll get calls -- "It's broke....when I click it, it takes me back 
to ... "

Susan H. 

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 11:00:13 2007
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:00:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE
In-Reply-To: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF90@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF90@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950710300900v57ecfdb7q1ce84a5e88a70426@mail.gmail.com>

Thatnks for sharing that Jim.

GK

On 10/30/07, Hale, Jim <Jim.Hale at fleetpride.com> wrote:
>
> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA102388991033.aspx
>
> I just ran across this.
> Jim Hale
>
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From barry.herring at att.net  Tue Oct 30 11:04:35 2007
From: barry.herring at att.net (Barry G. Herring)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 11:04:35 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Developer Needed (St. Louis Area)
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References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
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Dear List,

My company is looking for a access developer in the St. Louis area, I do not
know the pay or the work load will be. Just wanted to know if anyone on the
list was interested. It might be just a contractor position.

But FYI I started as a contractor and moved to a full time employee, so it
is possible.

Please respond off line to the email address listed below. I do not want to
tie up the list with this. I am also using an email account that I do not
care if spammers get. Emails sent to that address will be moved over to
another account and a email from my work account will be sent to individuals
interested.

Thanks,

Barry G. Herring
Project Manager / Software Developer
Herringb at hotmail.com





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 11:02:55 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:02:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com><F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><015001c81b0b$b0b7b9c0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<3918C60D59E7D84BBE11101EB0FDEF6F0BFD06@karta-exc-int.Karta.com>
Message-ID: <018701c81b0e$7a63ebc0$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

Yes, that's a good idea.

Susan H.



>I would think, a msgbox on the click and double-click events, indicating it 
>cannot be modified then refocus on the previous control work.  The user 
>would then know it's not broken and it's by design it cannot be edited.



From accessd at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 30 12:26:22 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:26:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE
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Message-ID: <4DA3B66404A444188DEEBC3410B6537B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Excellent. Thanks Jim

Jim

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http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA102388991033.aspx

I just ran across this.
Jim Hale


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 12:46:42 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:46:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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Message-ID: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>

...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the code 
is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the ability to 
respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 




From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 30 12:52:58 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:52:58 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
In-Reply-To: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><007501c81b0e$916c11d0$b4443570$@herring@att.net>
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Message-ID: <002801c81b1d$b4ee8070$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

William,
If you already own FMS's emailer maybe they could offer some methods of
using it to collect that info.

They've been pretty helpful to me over the years with other products of
theirs.




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 13:16:35 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:16:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><007501c81b0e$916c11d0$b4443570$@herring@att.net><003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
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...thanks John but I've already ran it past them with no results other than 
that would be a neat improvement for a future release but we have no idea 
how we could do it ...my real problem with the fms e-mailer is that I have 
no access to the code and I know that this client is going to expect me to 
provide further mods.

...btw, I do use and swear by FMS' tools ...just not their apps or 
components.

William

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Subject: Re: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed


> William,
> If you already own FMS's emailer maybe they could offer some methods of
> using it to collect that info.
>
> They've been pretty helpful to me over the years with other products of
> theirs.
>
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct 30 13:23:53 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:23:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
In-Reply-To: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
References: <34C8A2AB1EF3564CB0D64DB6AFFDD5C208ED7242@XLIVMBX35bkup.aig.com>	<F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F108C@houexch1.kindermorgan.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B36@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><007501c81b0e$916c11d0$b4443570$@herring@att.net>
	<003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <002601c81b22$06dc7b90$0200a8c0@danwaters>

Hi William,

I know that vbSendMail can detect when an email is rejected (using
WithEvents in a Class).  

The download for this also has two sample screens which show all of
capabilities.

It's written as a complete vb6 app, perhaps you could call it from Access if
you need it working quickly.

BOL!
Dan

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed

...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the code

is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the ability to

respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Oct 30 13:27:37 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:27:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
Message-ID: <s72785d0.044@cactus.dk>

Hi William

> keep an audit trail of addresses rejected by the receiving isp

That is "tuff" ... communication with the receiving SMTP server may fail or be delayed as well. 
This is the job of an SMTP server and I don't think you really wish to build such an animal.

However, if you and the client need to operate at this serious level, I can strongly recommend hMailServer:

  http://www.hmailserver.com/

This is a wonderful product, free and open-source, which will run on the Windows Server you love so much and with SQL Server or MySQL as the datastore.
What separate it from many other offerings are the COM API and the ability to be controlled via DCOM:

  http://www.hmailserver.com/documentation/?page=com_objects

and it is easy to install and configure.

If this is too hardcore, an option might be to use CDOSYS and connect to the SMTP Service of IIS at a Windows Server OS. On these (contrary to workstation OS) you have the added feature of ODBC access to the SMTP log.

/gustav


>>> wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com 30-10-2007 18:46 >>>
...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the code 
is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the ability to 
respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 




From shamil at users.mns.ru  Tue Oct 30 13:39:53 2007
From: shamil at users.mns.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:39:53 +0300
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
In-Reply-To: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <002101c81b24$49630d60$6401a8c0@nant>

Hi William,

You can make C# Classlib from this open source or similar code

http://csharp-source.net/open-source/web-mail 

and then expose it as a COM component and use from within MS Access....


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed

...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the code

is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the ability to

respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 


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From john at winhaven.net  Tue Oct 30 13:47:46 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:47:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
Message-ID: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

I would like to have a pop-up form open directly below the icon used to open
it. The pop-up form is used throughout the application and the icon is not
always in the same location on each form. Does anyone have form positioning
code that I could adopt for this?


From markamatte at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 30 15:16:55 2007
From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:16:55 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl>


John,
 
I don't have an example...but I have moved objects and db windows before...for the form itself it should be similar.  The unit of measure will be in "TWIPS".  
 
I would call a function that gets the location of what you clicked on(bottom and left...this will be in twips)...and come up with a small formula(say 25 twips down and 30 twips left...you will have to add and subtract these from/to the location numbers you got above)
 
Now...when your popup opens...use the MOVE method in conjunction with your twip calculations from above.(the WindowLeft or WindowTop properties are read only...but MOVE works.)
 
This should allow you to open a popup anywhere and have it move to your clicking location.
 
Good Luck,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
P.S...When I first started moving stuff like this...I did a little exercise to get a good understanding of what was happening.  I created a form with :  1 button, 1 text box....when I clicked the button...the text box displayed the top left of the textbox in TWIPS.  Then I changed the button to where it found txtbox.topleft...and added 25 twips to it...then displayed in the text box the new number.  Then I did the same thing...moving right and left...and so on.  This way I could see how far each change actually moved my object.  
 
Point of this...I still don't know exactly how big a twip is...and 25 of them is just a nudge.
 
...and if your calculation goes off the screen...db does NOT like it...so use error handling.  
 
Mark> From: john at winhaven.net> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:47:46 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] Form Position> > I would like to have a pop-up form open directly below the icon used to open> it. The pop-up form is used throughout the application and the icon is not> always in the same location on each form. Does anyone have form positioning> code that I could adopt for this?> -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Tue Oct 30 13:58:16 2007
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:58:16 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
In-Reply-To: <003001c81b1c$d5acb940$0c10a8c0@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE04F7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>

Does it need to receive email, or just send?  Sending email is VERY easy
to do with just a winsock control.

Drew

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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed

...group

...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003 
...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the
code 
is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit
trail 
of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the
ability to 
respond to that information.

...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references 
appreciated

William 


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 17:11:47 2007
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 18:11:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?
Message-ID: <29f585dd0710301511u50ff7630i662a179d84c5204d@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a(n ideally free) tool that lets you compare two versions of a
given FE? I know the data is in synch; it's the forms, queries and other FE
items that might not be.

TIA,
Arthur


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Oct 30 17:44:24 2007
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 17:44:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?
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Yes - look at the FMS product call Total Access Detective.

Dan

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Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?

Is there a(n ideally free) tool that lets you compare two versions of a
given FE? I know the data is in synch; it's the forms, queries and other FE
items that might not be.

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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 30 17:47:40 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 09:47:40 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue
In-Reply-To: <F1DD538AE6BCE74EBE562DE51564D322034F0FA7@houexch1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <200710302247.l9UMlbh7007673@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Chester

Drop the chart onto a form all its own - Then drop that new form as a subform
onto your main form and make the subform enabled = false

Should work
 
Darren
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 12:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Form Detail Double Click Issue

I have a form with a chart in the detail section. I have discovered that
a user can double click on the chart and it can then be edited. I then
set the auto activate property to manual which prevents editing the
chart but it still gets the focus and the unbound text boxes on top of
the chart disappear. Is there some other setting I need to turn on or
off so the unbound text boxes remain visible. Any suggestions
appreciated.

 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 30 18:22:13 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:22:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Mark:

That's the approach I would use.  But one caveat.  If the target machines'
monitors have different resolutions, the amount to add or subtract relative
to the command button will be different.   The initial x and y deltas would
need to be multiplied by the target monitor's resolution divided by the
design resolution.

Rocky





 	
	

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 1:17 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Position


John,
 
I don't have an example...but I have moved objects and db windows
before...for the form itself it should be similar.  The unit of measure will
be in "TWIPS".  
 
I would call a function that gets the location of what you clicked on(bottom
and left...this will be in twips)...and come up with a small formula(say 25
twips down and 30 twips left...you will have to add and subtract these
from/to the location numbers you got above)
 
Now...when your popup opens...use the MOVE method in conjunction with your
twip calculations from above.(the WindowLeft or WindowTop properties are
read only...but MOVE works.)
 
This should allow you to open a popup anywhere and have it move to your
clicking location.
 
Good Luck,
 
Mark A. Matte
 
P.S...When I first started moving stuff like this...I did a little exercise
to get a good understanding of what was happening.  I created a form with :
1 button, 1 text box....when I clicked the button...the text box displayed
the top left of the textbox in TWIPS.  Then I changed the button to where it
found txtbox.topleft...and added 25 twips to it...then displayed in the text
box the new number.  Then I did the same thing...moving right and left...and
so on.  This way I could see how far each change actually moved my object.  
 
Point of this...I still don't know exactly how big a twip is...and 25 of
them is just a nudge.
 
...and if your calculation goes off the screen...db does NOT like it...so
use error handling.  
 
Mark> From: john at winhaven.net> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Date: 
Mark> Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:47:46 -0500> Subject: [AccessD] Form Position> 
Mark> > I would like to have a pop-up form open directly below the icon 
Mark> used to open> it. The pop-up form is used throughout the 
Mark> application and the icon is not> always in the same location on 
Mark> each form. Does anyone have form positioning> code that I could 
Mark> adopt for this?> -- > AccessD mailing list> 
Mark> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> 
Mark> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: 
Mark> http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Oct 30 18:23:48 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:23:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710301511u50ff7630i662a179d84c5204d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0710301511u50ff7630i662a179d84c5204d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c81b4b$ecd10e80$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

I don't know if it will do exactly what you want by take a look at Starinix
Database Compare (http://www.starinix.com/)

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?

Is there a(n ideally free) tool that lets you compare two versions of a
given FE? I know the data is in synch; it's the forms, queries and other FE
items that might not be.

TIA,
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From actebs at actebs.com.au  Tue Oct 30 19:10:16 2007
From: actebs at actebs.com.au (ACTEBS)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:10:16 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0710301511u50ff7630i662a179d84c5204d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002e01c81b52$6a7219f0$0d08a8c0@carltonone.local>

Arthur,

I wrote this tool by correlating a heap of code snippets from the net over
the years and it does something similar to what you want. It is written in
VB6 and done for a client of mine that runs an app for multiple users that I
wrote a few years ago.

It checks the users version of the FE to "the current" version on a
predefined network drive. This ensures all users are using the same version
of the front and updates it automatically if they aren't and then opens the
updated FE. 

Hope this makes sense and you get some use out of it. You can get it here:

http://download.actebs.com.au/eg/UpdateFile.zip

Regards

Vlad

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 9:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] FE comparison tool?

Is there a(n ideally free) tool that lets you compare two versions of a
given FE? I know the data is in synch; it's the forms, queries and other FE
items that might not be.

TIA,
Arthur
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 30 19:47:18 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:47:18 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <04E25951408A4DFDBA46AD6E545EDC6F@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <200710310047.l9V0lHfR001824@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 30 20:34:43 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 12:34:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310047.l9V0lHfR001824@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Jim

Sorry - Wasn't clear

In an Access dB I would do something like the code below To get records

How is this achieved using the Connection strings to an SQL Server 2000 dB??

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim sel_SQL As String
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    sel_SQL1 = "SELECT * FROM Account"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(sel_SQL)
    
    If (rs.EOF) Then
        MsgBox "NOTHING TO SHOW DUDE"
    Else
        While (Not (rs.EOF))
            Debug.Print !AccountNo
            rs.MoveNext
        Wend
    End If


    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 11:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From demulling at centurytel.net  Tue Oct 30 21:03:29 2007
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling Family)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 21:03:29 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4727E271.9030404@centurytel.net>

Darren,

Here is one way:

Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim cmdtext As String

cmdtext = "SELECT"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " FROM tblSEILinks"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " GROUP BY tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber;"

con = setconnection
con.Open

rs.Open cmdtext, con

If Not rs.BOF And Not rs.EOF Then
        rs.MoveFirst

        Do Until rs.EOF
            rs.MoveNext
        Loop
End If

rs.Close
con..Close
set rs = Nothing
set con = Nothing


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Tue Oct 30 21:16:31 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:16:31 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <4727E271.9030404@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <200710310216.l9V2GSD1013761@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi

Thanks for the post Jeff

When I first copied and pasted your code - the debugger failed on "con =
setconnection"

So it rem'd "Option Explicit" and it worked - Any suggestions on how to get it
to work with Explicit on?

Also - When I ran it after that I got the following error...

"-2147467259 [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no
default driver specified"

Any suggestions on that one?

Obviously I have somehow stuffed the connection info - Was your code designed to
go hand in hand with Jim's earlier connection string post?

Thanks again

Darren
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Demulling Family
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 1:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Darren,

Here is one way:

Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
Dim cmdtext As String

cmdtext = "SELECT"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " FROM tblSEILinks"
cmdtext = cmdtext & " GROUP BY tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber;"

con = setconnection
con.Open

rs.Open cmdtext, con

If Not rs.BOF And Not rs.EOF Then
        rs.MoveFirst

        Do Until rs.EOF
            rs.MoveNext
        Loop
End If

rs.Close
con..Close
set rs = Nothing
set con = Nothing
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 21:38:50 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:38:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE04F7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000701c81b67$35e28c00$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...send only Drew ...but as others have mentioned, the real problem is 
getting the server to talk to Access to identify bad sends.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed


> Does it need to receive email, or just send?  Sending email is VERY easy
> to do with just a winsock control.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
>
> ...group
>
> ...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003
> ...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the
> code
> is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit
> trail
> of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the
> ability to
> respond to that information.
>
> ...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references
> appreciated
>
> William
>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Oct 30 21:38:50 2007
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:38:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE04F7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <000701c81b67$35e28c00$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>

...send only Drew ...but as others have mentioned, the real problem is 
getting the server to talk to Access to identify bad sends.

William

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed


> Does it need to receive email, or just send?  Sending email is VERY easy
> to do with just a winsock control.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
>
> ...group
>
> ...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access 2003
> ...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and the
> code
> is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit
> trail
> of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the
> ability to
> respond to that information.
>
> ...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references
> appreciated
>
> William
>
>
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From demulling at centurytel.net  Tue Oct 30 22:26:48 2007
From: demulling at centurytel.net (Demulling Family)
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:26:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310216.l9V2GSD1013761@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200710310216.l9V2GSD1013761@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <4727F5F8.5090809@centurytel.net>

Darren D wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thanks for the post Jeff
>
> When I first copied and pasted your code - the debugger failed on "con =
> setconnection"
>
> So it rem'd "Option Explicit" and it worked - Any suggestions on how to get it
> to work with Explicit on?
>
> Also - When I ran it after that I got the following error...
>
> "-2147467259 [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and no
> default driver specified"
>
> Any suggestions on that one?
>
> Obviously I have somehow stuffed the connection info - Was your code designed to
> go hand in hand with Jim's earlier connection string post?
>
> Thanks again
>
> Darren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Demulling Family
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 1:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
>
> Darren,
>
> Here is one way:
>
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
> Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
> Dim cmdtext As String
>
> cmdtext = "SELECT"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " FROM tblSEILinks"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " GROUP BY tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber;"
>
> con = setconnection
> con.Open
>
> rs.Open cmdtext, con
>
> If Not rs.BOF And Not rs.EOF Then
>         rs.MoveFirst
>
>         Do Until rs.EOF
>             rs.MoveNext
>         Loop
> End If
>
> rs.Close
> con..Close
> set rs = Nothing
> set con = Nothing
>   
Sorry about that, I have a function that I use to set the connection string.

Function setconnection()
'This is for trusted connections  
setconnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Persist Security Info=True;User 
ID=<<User Id Here>>;Initial Catalog=<<Database Name Here>>;Data 
Source=<<Server Name Here>>;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
'This is for non trusted connections
setconnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Persist Security Info=True;User 
ID=<<User Id Here>>;Initial Catalog=<<Database Name Here>>;Data 
Source=<<Server Name Here>>;Password=<<Password Here>>

End Function


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Oct 31 00:23:10 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:23:10 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <4727F5F8.5090809@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <200710310523.l9V5N3ia030901@databaseadvisors.com>

Brilliant - excellent - works like a charm

I really am gratefull

DD

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Demulling Family
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 2:27 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Darren D wrote:
> Hi
>
> Thanks for the post Jeff
>
> When I first copied and pasted your code - the debugger failed on "con =
> setconnection"
>
> So it rem'd "Option Explicit" and it worked - Any suggestions on how to get it
> to work with Explicit on?
>
> Also - When I ran it after that I got the following error...
>
> "-2147467259 [Microsoft][ODBC Driver Manager] Data source name not found and
no
> default driver specified"
>
> Any suggestions on that one?
>
> Obviously I have somehow stuffed the connection info - Was your code designed
to
> go hand in hand with Jim's earlier connection string post?
>
> Thanks again
>
> Darren
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Demulling Family
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 1:03 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
>
> Darren,
>
> Here is one way:
>
> Dim con As New ADODB.Connection
> Dim rs As New ADODB.Recordset
> Dim cmdtext As String
>
> cmdtext = "SELECT"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " FROM tblSEILinks"
> cmdtext = cmdtext & " GROUP BY tblSEILinks.SEIAccountNumber;"
>
> con = setconnection
> con.Open
>
> rs.Open cmdtext, con
>
> If Not rs.BOF And Not rs.EOF Then
>         rs.MoveFirst
>
>         Do Until rs.EOF
>             rs.MoveNext
>         Loop
> End If
>
> rs.Close
> con..Close
> set rs = Nothing
> set con = Nothing
>   
Sorry about that, I have a function that I use to set the connection string.

Function setconnection()
'This is for trusted connections  
setconnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Persist Security Info=True;User 
ID=<<User Id Here>>;Initial Catalog=<<Database Name Here>>;Data 
Source=<<Server Name Here>>;Trusted_Connection=Yes"
'This is for non trusted connections
setconnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB.1;Persist Security Info=True;User 
ID=<<User Id Here>>;Initial Catalog=<<Database Name Here>>;Data 
Source=<<Server Name Here>>;Password=<<Password Here>>

End Function
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From michael at ddisolutions.com.au  Wed Oct 31 00:55:43 2007
From: michael at ddisolutions.com.au (Michael Maddison)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:55:43 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2AE04F7@MIEXCH.marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<000701c81b67$35e28c00$6b706c4c@jisshowsbs.local>
Message-ID: <59A61174B1F5B54B97FD4ADDE71E7D01289FCD@ddi-01.DDI.local>

I seem to recall reading somewhere of a similar request where the
consensus was that
any solution would be unreliable.  If IIRC the problem was that a
significant # of mail servers do not
respond to bad sends as an anti spam / security measure.

http://www.componentspace.com/emailchecker.net.aspx

see the * at the bottom of the page.

cheers

Michael M

...send only Drew ...but as others have mentioned, the real problem is
getting the server to talk to Access to identify bad sends.

William

----- Original Message -----
From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed


> Does it need to receive email, or just send?  Sending email is VERY
easy
> to do with just a winsock control.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 12:47 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] e-mail plug-in needed
>
> ...group
>
> ...I need to get a full blown e-mail app running quickly in Access
2003
> ...looking at the FMS plug-in but it is only a partial solution and
the
> code
> is locked ...need to be able do everything it does plus keep an audit
> trail
> of addresses rejected by the receiving isp and offer the user the
> ability to
> respond to that information.
>
> ...any ideas, suggestions, experence, recommendations, or references
> appreciated
>
> William
>
>
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for
the 
> person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI 
> Proprietary and/or II-VI BusinessSensitve material. If you are not the

> intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy
the 
> material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are 
> notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, 
> dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance
upon 
> this information by persons or entities other than the intended
recipient 
> is prohibited.
>
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 31 11:06:05 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 11:06:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Thanks guys,
Its the aproach I will take too - if I have to :o) 

I was actually asking for some code snippets that I could modify for this
because its just one one of those nicity-nice things and I just don't have
the time to write the code from scratch for it right now. I am just going to
center the pop-up form on screen for now.




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Oct 31 12:28:18 2007
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 18:28:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server observed performance
Message-ID: <s728c95c.080@cactus.dk>

Hi all

It appears that the new Falcon engine of MySQL has improved regarding speed of inserts:

http://blogs.mysql.com/robin/2007/10/03/improved-handling-of-large-falcon-transactions/

This equals to about 48,000 records per second which is approaching that of loading a file directly (link below).
I guess no index can be present to reach this speed.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 31-10-2006 18:03 >>>
Hi John

Under some specific conditions you could easily increase import speed about 20 fold with MySQL:

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2006-May/043865.html 

And "modest hardware" indeed: IBM PC300, 266 MHz CPU, 256 MB ram, one IDE drive.

Of course, you would need to build indices etc. later, but still ...

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 31-10-2006 17:20:43 >>>
I thought you guys might find this interesting.  
 
I have a database that I imported a couple of years ago.  On a single
processor 3 ghz AMD64 running 2 mbytes of memory, using (4) individual IDE
250gb hard drives (no raid) the system would import ~ 1000 rows per second
into SQL Server.  Each text file was ~10 gbytes, consisted of ~700 fields
and 3 million records per file.  Each field was originally padded right with
spaces (comma delimited, but fixed width).
 
This time around, I built an Access (really just VBA) preprocessor to open
each file, read it line by line, strip all of the padding off the left and
right sides (there was some left padding as well) and write it back out to
another file.  This dropped the average text file size to ~ 6.5 gbytes,
which leaves us with average padding of well over 35%.  It also left the
resulting data in the unpadded after importing into SQL Server which makes
sorts / searches and indexes possible.
 
Anyway, after stripping all of this padding and building new files, I am now
importing these into my new server which is a AMD64 X2 dual processor 3.8
ghz with 2 gbytes of ram.  The disk subsystem is now a pair of volumes
hosted on a raid 6 array, 1 tbyte for the main data store and ~400 gb for
the temp databases.  The new system imports the new (stripped) data files at
about 3000 records per second.  I have to run 3 imports at a time to keep
both cores above 90% usage.  Running 3 imports at a time, the imports happen
roughly at 2k records / second FOR EACH IMPORT.
 
Oddly, if I run more than 4 imports at a time, the processor usage drops
back to ~70% for some reason and in fact each import slows to ~500 imports /
second.  This may have to do with the limits of disk streaming off of the
machine that holds the source text files.  The source files come from a
second machine, all the files on the same disk / directory, over a 1ghz
network (switch).
 
I am happy to say though that the new dual processor server appears to be
able to perform this specific task ~3 to 6 times as fast which is a huge and
much needed performance boost.  The other advantage to this configuration is
that I am no longer playing games splitting the database up into smaller
files residing on individual hard drives, and of course, the whole thing is
using raid 6 which provides much needed security.
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 31 14:30:57 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:30:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
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Went to lunch, got another project, got a free lunch, thought of "Lebans",
looked it up and found the form positioning code I needed!

I need to go out to lunch more ;o)




From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Oct 31 15:14:30 2007
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:14:30 -0000
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
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Message-ID: <014801c81bfa$a56717b0$056d8552@minster33c3r25>

And so say all of us.

-- Andy Lacey
http://www.minstersystems.co.uk 

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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 31 October 2007 19:31
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> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Position
> 
> 
> Went to lunch, got another project, got a free lunch, thought 
> of "Lebans", looked it up and found the form positioning code 
> I needed!
> 
> I need to go out to lunch more ;o)
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Oct 31 15:19:42 2007
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:19:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
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Indeed! 


John W. Colby
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Position

Went to lunch, got another project, got a free lunch, thought of "Lebans",
looked it up and found the form positioning code I needed!

I need to go out to lunch more ;o)


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 31 15:25:18 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 13:25:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <81A7FE4F0D334606AB8809C527A84D13@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Darren:

To actually retrieve the data from the MS SQL server could be like this:

<code>
Public Function FillCompanies() As Boolean
    Dim objCmd As ADODB.Command
    
    On Error GoTo Err_FillCompanies
    
    FillCompanies = False
    
    Set objCmd = New ADODB.Command
    
    With objCmd
        .ActiveConnection = gstrConnection
        .CommandText = "REFillCompanies"
        .CommandType = adCmdStoredProc
    End With
    
    Set rsCompanies = New ADODB.Recordset
    rsCompanies.CursorLocation = adUseClient
    rsCompanies.Open objCmd, , adOpenStatic, adLockOptimistic
    
    With rsCompanies
        If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then .MoveLast
    End With
    
    Set objCmd = Nothing
    FillCompanies = True
    
    Exit Function
    
Err_FillCompanies:
    ShowErrMsg "FillCompanies"
    
End Function
</code>

Note this is using a MS SQL SP. The simple SP looks like this:

<code>
CREATE PROC REFillCompanies
AS
SELECT CasinoCompany.CompanyCode, CasinoCompany.CompanyName,
CasinoCompany.CompanyAbrev, CasinoCompany.Active AS CompanyActive,
CasinoLocations.LocationCode, CasinoLocations.LocationName,
CasinoLocations.Active AS LocationActive
 FROM CasinoCompany INNER JOIN CasinoLocations ON CasinoCompany.CompanyCode
= CasinoLocations.CompanyCode
 WHERE CasinoCompany.Active=1
 ORDER BY CasinoCompany.CompanyName, CasinoLocations.LocationName;

GO
</code>

I will send another piece of code that stores the retrieved recordset in a
list box.

HTH
Jim

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim

Sorry - Wasn't clear

In an Access dB I would do something like the code below To get records

How is this achieved using the Connection strings to an SQL Server 2000 dB??

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim sel_SQL As String
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    sel_SQL1 = "SELECT * FROM Account"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(sel_SQL)
    
    If (rs.EOF) Then
        MsgBox "NOTHING TO SHOW DUDE"
    Else
        While (Not (rs.EOF))
            Debug.Print !AccountNo
            rs.MoveNext
        Wend
    End If


    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 11:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop
through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate
a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
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Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 15:42:35 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:42:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save
Message-ID: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne>

The following is a simple event procedure that updates a value list combo with user input. It works fine. The problem is, the form won't save the new item. The next time you open the form, the newly added item's gone. It's kind of like, the form doesn't think there's anything to change, because I don't get the Save prompt. 

Susan H. 



Private Sub cboMetals_NotInList(NewData As String, _
 Response As Integer)
  'Update value list with user input.
  On Error GoTo ErrHandler
  Dim bytUpdate As Byte
  bytUpdate = MsgBox("Do you want to add " & _
   cboMetals.Value & " to the list?", _
   vbYesNo, "Non-list item!")
  'Add user input
  If bytUpdate = vbYes Then
    Response = acDataErrAdded
    cboMetals.AddItem NewData
    'Update RowSource property for
    'XP and older.
    'cboMetals.RowSource = _
    ' cboMetals.RowSource _
    ' & ";" & NewData
    'Save updated list.
    DoCmd.Save acForm, "ValueList"
  'Don't add user input
  Else
    Response = acDataErrContinue
    cboMetals.Undo
  End If
  Exit Sub
  
ErrHandler:
  MsgBox Err.Number & ": " & Err.Description, _
   vbOKOnly, "Error"
  
End Sub


From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 31 16:01:16 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:01:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <200710310134.l9V1YbPA025486@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Darren:

Here is a code sample that I would use to fill a list box:

<code>
Public Function FillCompanyList(ctlBox As Control, Id As Variant, row As
Variant, col As Variant, CODE As Variant) As Variant
    
'Common Combo and List box fill function.
'Assumes rsCasinoCompany recordset is the supplied data and has
'equal or more fields than required in the control.
    
On Error GoTo Err_FillCompanyList
    
Dim mvReturnVal As Variant
    
mvReturnVal = Null
    
With rsCompaniesResults
 Select Case CODE
  Case acLBInitialize                 ' Initialize.
   Set rsCompaniesResults = New ADODB.Recordset
   Set rsCompaniesResults = rsCompanies.Clone

   ' Or you can simply call the populating records like:
   ' set rsCompaniesResults = FillCompanies().clone given
   ' that the function is setup like so:
   ' Public Function FillCompanies() As Recordset...
   '   FillCompanies = rsCompanies
	             
   If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
    .MoveFirst
    mvReturnVal = .RecordCount
   Else
    mvReturnVal = 0
   End If

   Case acLBOpen                  ' Open.
    mvReturnVal = Timer           ' Generate unique ID for control.
    gvComboTimer = mvReturnVal
   Case acLBGetRowCount           ' Get number of rows.
    mvReturnVal = .RecordCount
   Case acLBGetColumnCount        ' Get number of columns.
    mvReturnVal = ctlBox.ColumnCount
   Case acLBGetColumnWidth        ' Column width.
    mvReturnVal = -1              ' -1 forces use of default width.
   Case acLBGetFormat             ' Get format
    mvReturnVal = -1
   Case acLBGetValue              ' Get data.
    .MoveFirst
    .Move (row)
    mvReturnVal = .Fields(col)
  End Select
 End With
    
 FillCompanyList = mvReturnVal

Exit_FillCompanyList:
    Exit Function
    
Err_FillCompanyList:
    'Handles error situation caused an apparent unrelated error(s)
    'generated in other modules. (It loses its brains...)
    If Err.Number <> 91 Then
        ShowErrMsg "FillCompanyList"
    End If
    Resume Exit_FillCompanyList
    
End Function
</code>

Note: Using clone does not make another copy of the data but makes another
pointer to the data. Within the List box Row Source insert the name of the
function. I.e: FillCompanyList 

HTH
Jim
 
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim

Sorry - Wasn't clear

In an Access dB I would do something like the code below To get records

How is this achieved using the Connection strings to an SQL Server 2000 dB??

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim sel_SQL As String
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    sel_SQL1 = "SELECT * FROM Account"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(sel_SQL)
    
    If (rs.EOF) Then
        MsgBox "NOTHING TO SHOW DUDE"
    Else
        While (Not (rs.EOF))
            Debug.Print !AccountNo
            rs.MoveNext
        Wend
    End If


    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 11:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop
through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate
a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

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Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 31 16:13:06 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:13:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save
In-Reply-To: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B7A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

As I recall, you have to be in design view to permanently change the
values in the value list.  You'd be better off storing the values in a
table instead if you want to allow the users to permanently add a value.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:43 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save

The following is a simple event procedure that updates a value list
combo with user input. It works fine. The problem is, the form won't
save the new item. The next time you open the form, the newly added
item's gone. It's kind of like, the form doesn't think there's anything
to change, because I don't get the Save prompt. 

Susan H. 



Private Sub cboMetals_NotInList(NewData As String, _  Response As
Integer)
  'Update value list with user input.
  On Error GoTo ErrHandler
  Dim bytUpdate As Byte
  bytUpdate = MsgBox("Do you want to add " & _
   cboMetals.Value & " to the list?", _
   vbYesNo, "Non-list item!")
  'Add user input
  If bytUpdate = vbYes Then
    Response = acDataErrAdded
    cboMetals.AddItem NewData
    'Update RowSource property for
    'XP and older.
    'cboMetals.RowSource = _
    ' cboMetals.RowSource _
    ' & ";" & NewData
    'Save updated list.
    DoCmd.Save acForm, "ValueList"
  'Don't add user input
  Else
    Response = acDataErrContinue
    cboMetals.Undo
  End If
  Exit Sub
  
ErrHandler:
  MsgBox Err.Number & ": " & Err.Description, _
   vbOKOnly, "Error"
  
End Sub
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 31 16:31:10 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:31:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
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	<00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
Message-ID: <008401c81c05$5b6fd8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

John:

I just came up with a requirement to do this today.  But can't find the
right page on Lebans' site.  Can you give me a URL?

I found that a pop up form will auto center at the design resolution of 800
x 600 but when I change the resolution to 1280 x 960 it appears shifted way
to the left and down. SO I need to get the initial position and adjust it by
the ratio of the design resolution to the current resolution.

Thanks and best,

Rocky





 	
	

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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 12:31 PM
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Went to lunch, got another project, got a free lunch, thought of "Lebans",
looked it up and found the form positioning code I needed!

I need to go out to lunch more ;o)


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From jengross at gte.net  Wed Oct 31 16:58:20 2007
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:58:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A2K and Office 2003
Message-ID: <00eb01c81c09$29e5f980$6501a8c0@jefferson>

Happy Halloween Everyone,

I have a client that for reasons relating to Outlook has updated their
systems to Office 2003, without Access 2003, while leaving Access 2000
so that my databases can run.  I don't want to move the databases to
Access 2003 because they are running fine in A2K and have been for
years.  However, they are running into some bumps in the road,
particularly with exporting to Excel using Tools > Office Links.

If anybody has an tips regarding the co-existence of Office 2003 with
Access 2000 I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
databasics
Newbury Park, CA 
office:  (805) 480-1921
fax:	   (805) 499-0467 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 16:20:02 2007
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:20:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save
References: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B7A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <007101c81c09$3ea91190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>



> As I recall, you have to be in design view to permanently change the
> values in the value list.  You'd be better off storing the values in a
> table instead if you want to allow the users to permanently add a value.

=======It's just an example of "how-to" Charlotte, not something I have to 
actually make work, but I didn't know the bit about being in Design view to 
permanently change the value list -- that would make perfect sense. I hadn't 
thought to check that, just figured it was the Save method -- something I 
was doing wrong.

Susan H. 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Oct 31 17:07:26 2007
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:07:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] form doesn't save
In-Reply-To: <007101c81c09$3ea91190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
References: <004c01c81bfe$94273620$4b3a8343@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B7A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<007101c81c09$3ea91190$4b3a8343@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEA703B7D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I haven't worked with a value list in so long, I've forgotten how they
behave, but there is an AllowDesignChanges property of forms that
specifies the view that allows changes, All Views or Design View Only.
YOu might be able to switch that in code to save changes to a value
list.  I've never tried it, and I've always allowed Design View Only
changes, but it might be worth a try.

Charlotte 

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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 2:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] form doesn't save



> As I recall, you have to be in design view to permanently change the 
> values in the value list.  You'd be better off storing the values in a

> table instead if you want to allow the users to permanently add a
value.

=======It's just an example of "how-to" Charlotte, not something I have
to actually make work, but I didn't know the bit about being in Design
view to permanently change the value list -- that would make perfect
sense. I hadn't thought to check that, just figured it was the Save
method -- something I was doing wrong.

Susan H. 

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 31 17:13:23 2007
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 15:13:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server observed performance
In-Reply-To: <s728c95c.080@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <CC591F7456B14F10A85906D133083D29@creativesystemdesigns.com>

My son-in-law is the senior designer and builder of a web site using MySQL
with the Falcon engine. He is claiming that his site receives an excess of
200,000 hits per day. (The site pages are totally database driven). 

He is not sure what the maximum hit level is but the system seems to have
room to spare and has so far not flinched.

It seems like an awesome engine and approaches the performance of a well
tuned MS SQL DB. It would be interesting to see a side by side performance
test where all things are equal and see where each tops out.

Jim 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 10:28 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL Server observed performance

Hi all

It appears that the new Falcon engine of MySQL has improved regarding speed
of inserts:

http://blogs.mysql.com/robin/2007/10/03/improved-handling-of-large-falcon-tr
ansactions/

This equals to about 48,000 records per second which is approaching that of
loading a file directly (link below).
I guess no index can be present to reach this speed.

/gustav


>>> Gustav at cactus.dk 31-10-2006 18:03 >>>
Hi John

Under some specific conditions you could easily increase import speed about
20 fold with MySQL:

http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/htdig/accessd/2006-May/043865.html 

And "modest hardware" indeed: IBM PC300, 266 MHz CPU, 256 MB ram, one IDE
drive.

Of course, you would need to build indices etc. later, but still ...

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 31-10-2006 17:20:43 >>>
I thought you guys might find this interesting.  
 
I have a database that I imported a couple of years ago.  On a single
processor 3 ghz AMD64 running 2 mbytes of memory, using (4) individual IDE
250gb hard drives (no raid) the system would import ~ 1000 rows per second
into SQL Server.  Each text file was ~10 gbytes, consisted of ~700 fields
and 3 million records per file.  Each field was originally padded right with
spaces (comma delimited, but fixed width).
 
This time around, I built an Access (really just VBA) preprocessor to open
each file, read it line by line, strip all of the padding off the left and
right sides (there was some left padding as well) and write it back out to
another file.  This dropped the average text file size to ~ 6.5 gbytes,
which leaves us with average padding of well over 35%.  It also left the
resulting data in the unpadded after importing into SQL Server which makes
sorts / searches and indexes possible.
 
Anyway, after stripping all of this padding and building new files, I am now
importing these into my new server which is a AMD64 X2 dual processor 3.8
ghz with 2 gbytes of ram.  The disk subsystem is now a pair of volumes
hosted on a raid 6 array, 1 tbyte for the main data store and ~400 gb for
the temp databases.  The new system imports the new (stripped) data files at
about 3000 records per second.  I have to run 3 imports at a time to keep
both cores above 90% usage.  Running 3 imports at a time, the imports happen
roughly at 2k records / second FOR EACH IMPORT.
 
Oddly, if I run more than 4 imports at a time, the processor usage drops
back to ~70% for some reason and in fact each import slows to ~500 imports /
second.  This may have to do with the limits of disk streaming off of the
machine that holds the source text files.  The source files come from a
second machine, all the files on the same disk / directory, over a 1ghz
network (switch).
 
I am happy to say though that the new dual processor server appears to be
able to perform this specific task ~3 to 6 times as fast which is a huge and
much needed performance boost.  The other advantage to this configuration is
that I am no longer playing games splitting the database up into smaller
files residing on individual hard drives, and of course, the whole thing is
using raid 6 which provides much needed security.
 
John W. Colby
Colby Consulting
www.ColbyConsulting.com 



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From john at winhaven.net  Wed Oct 31 17:15:02 2007
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:15:02 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <008401c81c05$5b6fd8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl><008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><004e01c81bd7$f1561bd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
	<008401c81c05$5b6fd8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <00e601c81c0b$7c150730$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>

http://www.lebans.com/openform.htm 

good luck

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at
Beach Access Software

I just came up with a requirement to do this today.  But can't find the
right page on Lebans' site.  Can you give me a URL?




From kp at sdsonline.net  Wed Oct 31 17:41:05 2007
From: kp at sdsonline.net (Kath Pelletti)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:41:05 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE
References: <FBEA4C39D7934A47A057CDFD3CF070EF4CAF90@corp-es01.fleetpride.local>
Message-ID: <007501c81c0f$206b76e0$6701a8c0@DELLAPTOP>

And this is another great summary of what's good, bad, gone and buggy in 
2007:

http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=The-lowdown-on-Access-2007

Kath

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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 1:02 AM
Subject: [AccessD] ACCESS 2003 TO 2007 COMMAND REFERENCE GUIDE


> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/access/HA102388991033.aspx
>
> I just ran across this.
> Jim Hale
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Oct 31 18:15:34 2007
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software)
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:15:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Form Position
In-Reply-To: <00e601c81c0b$7c150730$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq>
References: <003301c81b25$5d410020$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><BAY127-W18DDB4571D3D32EF4EB24ED2920@phx.gbl><008a01c81b4b$b4740a60$0301a8c0@HAL9005><004e01c81bd7$f1561bd0$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><00a501c81bf4$8fcf3230$6402a8c0@ScuzzPaq><008401c81c05$5b6fd8d0$0301a8c0@HAL9005>
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Message-ID: <00a801c81c13$f0ff5200$0301a8c0@HAL9005>

Got it.  Thanks.

Rocky
 




 	
	

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 3:15 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Form Position

http://www.lebans.com/openform.htm 

good luck

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I just came up with a requirement to do this today.  But can't find the
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Wed Oct 31 21:01:19 2007
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 13:01:19 +1100
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records
In-Reply-To: <054781CF8ED948F797CE5E75B02C58E0@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <200711010201.lA121Ea9026644@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Jim

Brilliant - I am experimenting with this type of thing a lot and was going to
start asking questions about Stored Procedures - thank you very much

DD
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 8:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Here is a code sample that I would use to fill a list box:

<code>
Public Function FillCompanyList(ctlBox As Control, Id As Variant, row As
Variant, col As Variant, CODE As Variant) As Variant
    
'Common Combo and List box fill function.
'Assumes rsCasinoCompany recordset is the supplied data and has
'equal or more fields than required in the control.
    
On Error GoTo Err_FillCompanyList
    
Dim mvReturnVal As Variant
    
mvReturnVal = Null
    
With rsCompaniesResults
 Select Case CODE
  Case acLBInitialize                 ' Initialize.
   Set rsCompaniesResults = New ADODB.Recordset
   Set rsCompaniesResults = rsCompanies.Clone

   ' Or you can simply call the populating records like:
   ' set rsCompaniesResults = FillCompanies().clone given
   ' that the function is setup like so:
   ' Public Function FillCompanies() As Recordset...
   '   FillCompanies = rsCompanies
	             
   If .BOF = False Or .EOF = False Then
    .MoveFirst
    mvReturnVal = .RecordCount
   Else
    mvReturnVal = 0
   End If

   Case acLBOpen                  ' Open.
    mvReturnVal = Timer           ' Generate unique ID for control.
    gvComboTimer = mvReturnVal
   Case acLBGetRowCount           ' Get number of rows.
    mvReturnVal = .RecordCount
   Case acLBGetColumnCount        ' Get number of columns.
    mvReturnVal = ctlBox.ColumnCount
   Case acLBGetColumnWidth        ' Column width.
    mvReturnVal = -1              ' -1 forces use of default width.
   Case acLBGetFormat             ' Get format
    mvReturnVal = -1
   Case acLBGetValue              ' Get data.
    .MoveFirst
    .Move (row)
    mvReturnVal = .Fields(col)
  End Select
 End With
    
 FillCompanyList = mvReturnVal

Exit_FillCompanyList:
    Exit Function
    
Err_FillCompanyList:
    'Handles error situation caused an apparent unrelated error(s)
    'generated in other modules. (It loses its brains...)
    If Err.Number <> 91 Then
        ShowErrMsg "FillCompanyList"
    End If
    Resume Exit_FillCompanyList
    
End Function
</code>

Note: Using clone does not make another copy of the data but makes another
pointer to the data. Within the List box Row Source insert the name of the
function. I.e: FillCompanyList 

HTH
Jim
 
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 6:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim

Sorry - Wasn't clear

In an Access dB I would do something like the code below To get records

How is this achieved using the Connection strings to an SQL Server 2000 dB??

Many thanks

Darren

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Dim db As DAO.Database
    Dim sel_SQL As String
    Dim rs As DAO.Recordset
    
    Set db = CurrentDb()
    sel_SQL1 = "SELECT * FROM Account"
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset(sel_SQL)
    
    If (rs.EOF) Then
        MsgBox "NOTHING TO SHOW DUDE"
    Else
        While (Not (rs.EOF))
            Debug.Print !AccountNo
            rs.MoveNext
        Wend
    End If


    rs.Close
    Set rs = Nothing
    Set db = Nothing
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 11:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Jim 

Thanks for this

I was after the bits after that - Where you set up a RS object then loop
through
the rs and build a string say of results and put them to a grid or populate
a
grid with the results 



Thanks in advance

Darren

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Tuesday, 23 October 2007 9:31 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi Darren:

Once the MS SQL Database is setup it is really easy.

Public gstrConnection As String
Private mobjConn As ADODB.Connection

Public Function InitializeDB() As Boolean

On Error GoTo Err_InitializeDB

gstrConnection = "Provider=SQLOLEDB;Initial Catalog=MyDatabase;Data
Source=MyServer;Integrated Security=SSPI"

'Test connection string
Set mobjConn = New ADODB.Connection
mobjConn.ConnectionString = gstrConnection
mobjConn.Open
InitializeDB = True

Exit_InitializeDB:
    Exit Function

Err_InitializeDB:
InitializeDB = False

End Function

HTH
Jim

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:35 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Connect to SQL and retrieve records

Hi All

 

>From an Access 200/2003 MdB

 

Does anyone have an example or some sample code where I can connect to an
SQL
Server dB

 

Perform a select on a table in the SQL dB

 

Return the records

 

Display them on some form or grid 

 

Then close the connections?

 

Many thanks in advance

 

DD

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