[AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants)

William Hindman wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Fri Apr 25 09:07:34 CDT 2008


...CCS = Code Charge Studio.

William

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From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 9:58 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants)

> ...I didn't try nor Iron Speed, nor CCS (what is that BTW?), nor 
> NHibernate
> - I have written my own multi-layer ORM/templating tool in parallel with
> actual real life ASP.NET development. Of course I couldn't recommend such 
> a
> practice to others because one has to be able to keep incredibly high
> pressure to overcome such endeavors/adventures...
>
> ...the reason to not use third-party tools was similar to yours, William - 
> I
> didn't have time to learn one or other third-party tool, and I didn't want
> to get "spoiled" by them (and I have rich experience in writing all kinds 
> of
> code generators/translators/interpreters therefore writing custom ORM 
> layer
> code generator wasn't a big challenge (except strict time limits))...
>
> ...in the future I plan to substitute as much my custom ORM generated code
> as possible by using LINQ for SQL if LINQ for SQL will prove to be good 
> for
> that substitution - if not I will keep developing using custom ORM: it 
> works
> well and I can control and tune every bit of my code...
>
> ...yes, AccessD is a group of professional very experienced developers who 
> I
> think can effectively solve any business application development task, and
> answer any question in this area...
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 5:08 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants)
>
> ...I tried both Iron Speed and CCS as code generators and wound up 
> throwing
> them out in favor of coding it myself ...just too many compromises and
> restrictions for me ...I wasn't willing to settle for what they put out 
> and
> thus spent as much or more time customizing their code than if I'd just 
> done
>
> it myself ...the real productivity tool for me was finding some really 
> good
> net resources and then building my own code library ...once that was in
> place, I could really start using the huge variety of tools in the .net
> framework where a simple one liner can bring a lot more results than you
> could ever dream of in Access.
>
> ...I will make one comment though ...I knew AccessD was invaluable to me 
> in
> learning and working with Access ...but it wasn't until I got into asp.net
> and c# and found no similar resource community that I realized just how
> valuable it truly was and remains even now ...don't know why that is but
> I've looked all over the net for more than a year now and just not found 
> the
>
> equivalent ...not even close.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:30 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants)
>
>> Hi Doug,
>>
>> It's nearly as RAD as using MS Access - sometimes (much) quicker 
>> sometimes
>> slower, but if one starts from zero level coming from VBA world then
>> rather
>> long learning curve should be taken into account...
>>
>> Using native ASP.NET controls in web apps development didn't create any
>> problems here with users working in IE7 (and IE6), FF, even Safari...
>>
>> To make simple ASP.NET application with just several (or even many) data
>> entry/edit/retrieval forms is relatively easy task but making the same
>> application ready to go scaled to enterprise level is a very different
>> task,
>> which will take much more efforts, still with good experience in ASP.NET
>> even enterprise level development could be as RAD as usual MS Access
>> development...
>>
>> Consider using one or another third-party (or hand-made) code generators
>> and
>> ORM frameworks: the LINQ for SQL, which MS targets to this ORM role
>> haven't
>> yet got proven to be the best ORM framework/tool (but I must say I could
>> have missed latest news/articles/books on this 'LINQ for SQL as ORM
>> framework' subject)...
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
>> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 6:02 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Access 2007 (and other rants)
>>
>> Does anyone have a rough idea of how long it takes to code a Web app
>> versus
>> a comparable Access database?
>>
>> Doug Steele
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> > ...otoh, I can't say enough good things about Visual Studio 8 and .net
>>> > ...MS
>>> > hit a home run there imnsho ...I'm moving clients into browser based
>> apps
>>> > as
>>> > fast as I can write the code.
>>>
>>> =========The link I posted yesterday is about that very subject, only
>>> specific to Access database applications.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
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