[AccessD] Access 2007

Robert robert at servicexp.com
Thu Jan 10 08:01:46 CST 2008


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 lol, Cute, :-)

WBR
~Robert

jwcolby wrote:
> LOL, No I don't need to chill out, I need someone to tell me how to get rid
> of the damned ribbon bar or stop telling me how great Office 2007 is (when I
> can't turn it off).   
> 
>> John, I have no idea where you got this impression, and I have not 
>> seen this objection stated elsewhere.  However, the fact is that there 
>> is no reason to have a Ribbon, either the default ones or your own 
>> custom ones, on your application if your don't want to.  There are a 
>> number of ways to control this.
> 
> And those ways would be....????
> 
>> And I have seen this objection stated elsewhere.
> 
> Read this (I just stumbled across) and found amusing.
> 
> http://www.musicalnerdery.com/nerdery/unequivocal-undeniable-irrefutable-pro
> of-that-the-new-office-2007-interface-sucks.html
> 
> and this
> 
> http://www.musicalnerdery.com/nerdery/corporate-hq-saves-the-day.html
> 
> <SMILE when you say that!>  ;-)
> 
> And don't rant on me about how it DOESN'T suck, I am not saying it does (or
> doesn't), I truly don't have an opinion because I don't use it yet.  I am
> just saying I want it gone from my applications.
> 
> So there ya go, and now I can "chill out".
> 
> John W. Colby
> Colby Consulting
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 8:03 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007
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> A little stressed John? Man you need to chill out...
> 
> WBR
> ~Robert
> 
> jwcolby wrote:
>> Steve,
>>
>> So tell me how you permanently disable them so they never appear when 
>> the application starts?  I have menus built in to my applications.  
>> Simple, one thin line at the top of the screen.  How do I get the 
>> ribbon bar to go away (never ever show) and the menu to appear?
>>
>> I have found no way to do that, except to pay $20 / machine to a third 
>> party to buy some aftermarket tool that does what?
>>
>> You say it can be done but you are not saying how.
>>
>> It is not really about "seeing advantages" to the ribbon, it is 
>> "seeing the value" that they provide in an 800 x 600 environment when 
>> my forms take up the whole screen and my clients don't want to upgrade 
>> every machine with a new $200 monitor in order to have a ribbon that the
> user does not need.
>> We are not discussing Word or Excel here.  I could give a rats patuty 
>> about the ribbon bar in those applications.  If users like the ribbon 
>> bar fine, great, wonderful, have at it.
>>
>> I am talking about the client's DATABASE application, which they often 
>> spent hundreds of thousands to get designed exactly as they specified.  
>> It is designed expressly to channel the user.  It opens and displays a 
>> specific set of options that they are allowed to have.  When they 
>> click a button a specific form opens (taking up the whole screen) and 
>> allows them to do a specific thing.  What is it that the ribbon 
>> provides that is so damned important that it has to be there?  It 
>> hasn't been there for the last five years and the user does their job 
>> without it.  The user is expressly prohibited - BY MY CLIENT!!! from 
>> doing things they are not supposed to be doing.
>>
>> That is the thing I think that you and Microsoft don't get.  The 
>> ribbon is about allowing power users to design their own database to 
>> do specific things and "play" with their own data.  My applications 
>> are the COMPANIES data.  My users are the COMPANIES employees, doing 
>> the COMPANIES job in a very clear and concise manner.  It is a very 
>> very VERY complex application with 200 tables, more than a hundred 
>> forms, dozens of reports, methods to import data out of attachments to 
>> emails, ways to mail merge and produce documents that can be printed, 
>> stored is specific locations on the server and attached to emails sent 
>> to people.  This is NOT about the vice president of marketing "designing
> his own".
>> My users have to input data in a specific order to get parent records 
>> in place in order to get child records put in place in order to get... 
>> down 6 or seven levels.  We have users with very specific jobs that 
>> see only this part of the application and are not allowed to see 
>> another part of the application.  There are data input people that 
>> ONLY input new claims, there are call center employees that ONLY take 
>> phone calls and talk to claimants, there are accounting people who ONLY
> enter expenses and balance things.
>> NONE of them need the ribbon bar!  They need to do exactly what they 
>> are told and NOT be allowed to do anything that they are not supposed 
>> to be doing!  I have a complex security system in place to expressly 
>> PREVENT them from doing what they are not supposed to be doing!
>>
>> Now, if I were to design this same application in VB.Net would we 
>> still be having this discussion?  I would design my application, there 
>> would be no ribbon bar and there would be no discussion about why my 
>> users should have or not have the ribbon bar.  It would not be there, 
>> it would NEVER be there, and MS nor you would be trying to convince my 
>> client that they needed to spend tens of thousands of dollars to 
>> upgrade their monitors to have room for a ribbon bar that they expressly
> do NOT WANT to be there.
>> Why does Access try to shove the ribbon bar down my throat.  Access is 
>> a TOOL to get a job done, a job which I have been getting done since 
>> the mid 90s in a manner dictated to me by my clients.  For MS to 
>> suddenly turn on a ribbon bar and say "too bad, LIKE IT!" is the height of
> HUBRIS.
>> So, when I go Google "turn off ribbon bar permanently" I found "can't 
>> be done" and "third party applications to do this".  How do I turn 
>> them off programmatically such that my applications function as they
> always did?
>> Tell me this and ONE objection to Access 2007 goes away and I will 
>> quit harping on it.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> Colby Consulting
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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