[AccessD] Web Applications

LOL.  Kind of ironic here William.  I am not trying to put down ASP.NET.
It's fine.  My only issue is with how some people use it, which can
happen to any tool.

Yet you are dumping on ASP.  I have a feeling you've never really used
asp, or if you did, you didn't become very good at it.  While I concur
that your sentiment about sticking with the first thing you use can be
true, there is a flip side to this William.  Sometimes, someone who gets
really good with a technology builds more tools to make things go even
faster.  Custom tools, that do just what you want, in a heartbeat.  That
really does take the shine off of new technology flash, when you already
have the capability that you built yourself.

With a few mouse clicks, I can have a fully functional data and
collection classes in either VB or asp.  (And that was really easy to do
with ASP since it's just a text file).  Why would I want a class in ASP
and not a .dll?  Does everything run asp.net?  Apache doesn't natively,
and not everyone has it setup with something like Mono.  But asp is
still pretty universal.  No .dll, just upload the .asp files....whalla.

Plus, not all of your mobile devices have browsers that jive well with
Javascript.  Just plain old HTML.  

So rant away.  But I think you're missing the point entirely!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 6:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web Applications

...what is YOUR point? ...developing data driven websites using notepad
went 
out long ago ...you can warm a cup of coffee by first building a
campfire in 
the middle of your kitchen but most people prefer the microwave 
...suggesting to someone that notepad or MSE are serious tools for web 
development in today's work environment is ...well, you fill in the
blanks, 
eh ...and given that VSWD Express is, among many other good web
development 
tools, absolutely free with great tutorial videos ...well ...I won't
waste 
my time "venting" ...its a closed case, eh.

...everyone starts somewhere Drew ...some start with one tool and never
move 
on when better ones come along.

William

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From: "Drew Wutka" <DWUTKA at marlow.com>
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:52 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Web Applications

> First, I said I could if I wanted to, though I prefer Microsoft Script
> Editor.
>
> Second, what's your point William?  I think you need to join OT again
> and vent somewhere else.  The original question was about learning to
> develop on the web.  Not what tool is the best.  I answered the
original
> question with my personal opinion, which is that you will be a better
> web developer if you get a strong grasp of some of the less flashy
> tools.
>
> Believe you me, I've met my share of developers that were handed the
> keys to an SR-71 package and were recklessly gallivanting around
> displaying their absolute lack of knowledge.....
>
> Drew
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