From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 05:15:00 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:15:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Create email in Access via Thunderbird
In-Reply-To: <4BD01FB6929F4FA7B03D9DB2E535631D@Dell>
References: <4BD01FB6929F4FA7B03D9DB2E535631D@Dell>
Message-ID: <4a741630.0508d00a.7133.ffffd538@mx.google.com>

Hi Carolyn,

You could try CDO.  Here is an example (not tested, just extracted and
stripped from code that does work)
Max
Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Sub sSendMailByCDOExample()
  On Error GoTo errhandler
    Dim objMessage
    Dim strErr As String
  Const conErr1 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 550 "
  Const conErr2 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
addresses. The server response was: 501 bad address syntax: <"
  Const ConErrX As String = "The transport failed to connect to the server"
    Set objMessage = CreateObject("CDO.Message")    ' Create the message
object.
    objMessage.From = "You Are Supported<Support at mydomain.com>"
    objMessage.To = "joe.bloggs at botmail.com"
    objMessage.Subject = "My Subject"
    objMessage.TextBody = "This is some sample message text.." & vbCrLf &
"It was sent using SMTP authentication."
    ' objMessage.HTMLBody = strHTML' Or you could use HTML as:
    ' ATTACHMENT : Add an attachment Can be any valid url
    objMessage.AddAttachment "C:\MyAttachment"

 
objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
guration/sendusing") = 2
 
objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
guration/smtpserver") = "smtp.mydomain.com"
 
objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
guration/smtpauthenticate") = 1
 
objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
guration/sendusername") = "Support at MyDomain.com"
 
objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
guration/sendpassword") = "secret"
 
objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
guration/smtpserverport") = 587  ' or try 465  or 25
 
objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
guration/smtpusessl") = False
 
objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
guration/smtpconnectiontimeout") = 60
    objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Update    ' Update configuration

    MsgBox objMessage.GetStream.ReadText  ' Use to show the message.
    objMessage.Send  ' Send the message.

exithere:
  Exit Sub
errhandler:
  strErr = Err.Description
  'debug.print strErr
  If InStr(strErr, ConErrX) > 0 Then
    MsgBox ConErrX & " Program Aborted"
    Stop
  End If
  If InStr(strErr, conErr1) > 0 Then
    If InStr(strErr, "no such domain") > 0 Then
      MsgBox "Bad Domain"
    End If
  End If
 GoTo exithere
End Sub




From cjlabs at worldnet.att.net  Sat Aug  1 07:05:42 2009
From: cjlabs at worldnet.att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:05:42 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Create email in Access via Thunderbird
References: <4BD01FB6929F4FA7B03D9DB2E535631D@Dell>
	<4a741630.0508d00a.7133.ffffd538@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <14A189A10E6047F684630D39B729CEBE@Dell>

Thanks -- I'll give it a try.

Carolyn



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Max Wanadoo 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] Create email in Access via Thunderbird


  Hi Carolyn,

  You could try CDO.  Here is an example (not tested, just extracted and
  stripped from code that does work)
  Max
  Option Compare Database
  Option Explicit

  Private Sub sSendMailByCDOExample()
    On Error GoTo errhandler
      Dim objMessage
      Dim strErr As String
    Const conErr1 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
  addresses. The server response was: 550 "
    Const conErr2 As String = "The server rejected one or more recipient
  addresses. The server response was: 501 bad address syntax: <"
    Const ConErrX As String = "The transport failed to connect to the server"
      Set objMessage = CreateObject("CDO.Message")    ' Create the message
  object.
      objMessage.From = "You Are Supported<Support at mydomain.com>"
      objMessage.To = "joe.bloggs at botmail.com"
      objMessage.Subject = "My Subject"
      objMessage.TextBody = "This is some sample message text.." & vbCrLf &
  "It was sent using SMTP authentication."
      ' objMessage.HTMLBody = strHTML' Or you could use HTML as:
      ' ATTACHMENT : Add an attachment Can be any valid url
      objMessage.AddAttachment "C:\MyAttachment"

   
  objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
  guration/sendusing") = 2
   
  objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
  guration/smtpserver") = "smtp.mydomain.com"
   
  objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
  guration/smtpauthenticate") = 1
   
  objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
  guration/sendusername") = "Support at MyDomain.com"
   
  objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
  guration/sendpassword") = "secret"
   
  objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
  guration/smtpserverport") = 587  ' or try 465  or 25
   
  objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
  guration/smtpusessl") = False
   
  objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Item("http://schemas.microsoft.com/cdo/confi
  guration/smtpconnectiontimeout") = 60
      objMessage.Configuration.Fields.Update    ' Update configuration

      MsgBox objMessage.GetStream.ReadText  ' Use to show the message.
      objMessage.Send  ' Send the message.

  exithere:
    Exit Sub
  errhandler:
    strErr = Err.Description
    'debug.print strErr
    If InStr(strErr, ConErrX) > 0 Then
      MsgBox ConErrX & " Program Aborted"
      Stop
    End If
    If InStr(strErr, conErr1) > 0 Then
      If InStr(strErr, "no such domain") > 0 Then
        MsgBox "Bad Domain"
      End If
    End If
   GoTo exithere
  End Sub


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Aug  1 08:42:42 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 06:42:42 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items
In-Reply-To: <4A738E4B.28637.2EEE2274@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com>,
	<4A7380A7.241.2EB8DA0E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<BB9B2746804C450EB185B87BC8ACA663@HAL9005>
	<4A738E4B.28637.2EEE2274@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <8292965533A249D3AC016BF45D0E200E@HAL9005>

Those kinds of costs would seem to make internet access beyond the reach of
a lot of people.  Are the prices artificially high? Is it a monopoly?  Or
are there good reasons why it's so expensive? 

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items

A lot of people are now using wireless connections from home.

The connection itself costs $100 per month for a residential connection and
$200 per month 
for a business connection.    Since my office is in my home, I get away with
the  lower rate.

Dialup costs about 2c per minute  ($1.20 per hour) to our state monopoly
telco and about 30c per hour as a connection charge to the ISP.

The abve is purely for the connection.  ISPs also  charge per MB downloaded,
so it's really up to the user to determine how much they download and how
much they pay.

A basic dialup plan will cost about $25 per month for the first 150MB and
then about 15c per additional MB

In my case, I effectively pay about 8c per MB - so for example, the "free"
434MB Vista SP1 costs me about $35 to download.( and it will take about 8
hours).


-- 
Stuart



On 31 Jul 2009 at 16:55, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Fascinating website.  So internet access is primarily for business
> customers?  If you want internet for personal use at home, is it
> $4-500/month?
> 
> R
> 
> On TV it's really one world, isn't it:
http://www.hitron.com.pg/wantok.html
> - many of the same channels we get. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:39 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items
> 
> No,  Wireless.
> 
> http://www.hitron.com.pg/wireless_2008.html
> 
> Dialup is only capable of about 1/3 of those speeds.
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2009 at 15:54, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > Dial up?
> > 
> > R
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> > McLachlan
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:42 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; 
> > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items
> > 
> > Using the same server, my speeds are:
> > Download: 127kbps
> > Upload:   153 kbps
> > 
> > and I pay on average  $400 - 500 per month for the service.  :-(
> > 
> > 
> > On 31 Jul 2009 at 5:50, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > 
> > > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server.  
> > > Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps.  I use Road 
> > > Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for
the
> service.
> > > 
> > > Rocky
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max 
> > > Wanadoo
> > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM
> > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > This is where your bits go.
> > > 
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Smart Phone matters
> > > 
> > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Attack on your iphone
> > > 
> > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-secur
> > > it
> > > y/
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > max
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  1 09:05:47 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 00:05:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items
In-Reply-To: <8292965533A249D3AC016BF45D0E200E@HAL9005>
References: <4a72b189.0702d00a.3f02.69b7@mx.google.com>,
	<4A738E4B.28637.2EEE2274@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<8292965533A249D3AC016BF45D0E200E@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4A744BBB.11227.31D22273@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

It's a monopoly.  The state owned Telco are the only ones allowed to operate an 
international gateway and they set the rates.  It's the same with international phone calls.
They also set the termination rates for incoming calls which is why it is so expensive for 
people to make calls to PNG.

That's why a Skype call to a landline in Australia costs 2.1c per minute but to  PNG costs 
80.1c per minute - yep 40 times as much!.


-- 
Stuart


On 1 Aug 2009 at 6:42, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Those kinds of costs would seem to make internet access beyond the reach of
> a lot of people.  Are the prices artificially high? Is it a monopoly?  Or
> are there good reasons why it's so expensive? 
> 
> Rocky
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 5:38 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving;
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items
> 
> A lot of people are now using wireless connections from home.
> 
> The connection itself costs $100 per month for a residential connection and
> $200 per month 
> for a business connection.    Since my office is in my home, I get away with
> the  lower rate.
> 
> Dialup costs about 2c per minute  ($1.20 per hour) to our state monopoly
> telco and about 30c per hour as a connection charge to the ISP.
> 
> The abve is purely for the connection.  ISPs also  charge per MB downloaded,
> so it's really up to the user to determine how much they download and how
> much they pay.
> 
> A basic dialup plan will cost about $25 per month for the first 150MB and
> then about 15c per additional MB
> 
> In my case, I effectively pay about 8c per MB - so for example, the "free"
> 434MB Vista SP1 costs me about $35 to download.( and it will take about 8
> hours).
> 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2009 at 16:55, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > Fascinating website.  So internet access is primarily for business
> > customers?  If you want internet for personal use at home, is it
> > $4-500/month?
> > 
> > R
> > 
> > On TV it's really one world, isn't it:
> http://www.hitron.com.pg/wantok.html
> > - many of the same channels we get. 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 4:39 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items
> > 
> > No,  Wireless.
> > 
> > http://www.hitron.com.pg/wireless_2008.html
> > 
> > Dialup is only capable of about 1/3 of those speeds.
> > 
> > 
> > On 31 Jul 2009 at 15:54, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > 
> > > Dial up?
> > > 
> > > R
> > >  
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> > > McLachlan
> > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 3:42 PM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; 
> > > accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items
> > > 
> > > Using the same server, my speeds are:
> > > Download: 127kbps
> > > Upload:   153 kbps
> > > 
> > > and I pay on average  $400 - 500 per month for the service.  :-(
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 31 Jul 2009 at 5:50, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I use Speakeasy for speed tests, using the Los Angeles server.  
> > > > Today download speed is 8439kbps and upload is 983kbps.  I use Road 
> > > > Runner from Time Warner and am on cable. I pay about $50 a month for
> the
> > service.
> > > > 
> > > > Rocky
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max 
> > > > Wanadoo
> > > > Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:54 AM
> > > > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > > > Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday: Some interesting news items
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > This is where your bits go.
> > > > 
> > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8171984.stm
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Smart Phone matters
> > > > 
> > > > http://downloads.zdnet.com/abstract.aspx?docid=1001067&tag=nl.e530
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > Attack on your iphone
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32222633/ns/technology_and_science-secur
> > > > it
> > > > y/
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > max
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > AccessD mailing list
> > > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > > 
> > > --
> > > AccessD mailing list
> > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug  1 18:06:21 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 19:06:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm
Message-ID: <4A74CA6D.101@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know if the Windows VM stuff allows the vm to access disk drives on the host machine?

I use Windows Home Server, which runs over the top of Windows 2003.  I have been using it 
successfully for well over a year, however it seems I overclocked my cpu some time back and managed 
to damage the OS - it started rebooting on me.  By the time I discovered the problem I had to do a 
reinstall.

I run MyMovies which is a third party add-in for Windows Media Center.  It uses a SQL Server 2005 
express database (very small, about 10 mbytes), which I had running on the WHS server.  Now of 
course I have to rebuild that as well as other software I had installed for the purpose of ripping 
my dvds to hard disk etc.

Since I have to reinstall, it occurred to me that if I placed that in a VM (and it will run in a vm) 
then I can place the vm out in another drive and if the time ever comes to move the database, it 
will be in a vm and be easily portable.

I tried to use VMWare.  While it does allow me to map a physical drive to the vm and see it from 
inside the vm, for some reason it does not see all of the directories of the host's drive and even 
those that it can see it cannot manipulate correctly.  Maaaaaybe it has to do with the drive being 
1.5 gb, not sure.  At any rate, the software running in the vm needs to be able to read (rip) dvds 
and store them on a physical drive on the host machine.

I am trying to get Microsoft's VM stuff set up but I know nothing about it and before I get too 
deeply into this and discover it does not do this, I thought I'd ask.

So, can the VM see, read and write to a host drive or partition, which is still visible to the host, 
i.e. either writing to the disk will not cause corruption.  In fact the Windows Media Center does 
not write to the movies stuff but it does write to music files IIRC and so I do not want any chance 
of corrupting stuff.

Anyone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  1 18:38:18 2009
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 16:38:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm
In-Reply-To: <4A74CA6D.101@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A74CA6D.101@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E52D13A4020B440EAC1F05B11894C086@BPCS>

John,

I'm not sure I understand the question but this is what I do with not known 
problem.
Main Machine Vista 64 running MS Virtual PC2007.
The VM's are stored on my server (2003)
I run an XP pro VM with QuickBooks in it. Each time I exit QB it creates a 
backup on the Server.

I just tested copying a folder on the main machine and pasting it back with 
no problems.

HTH

Bill

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 4:06 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm

Does anyone know if the Windows VM stuff allows the vm to access disk drives 
on the host machine?

I use Windows Home Server, which runs over the top of Windows 2003.  I have 
been using it
successfully for well over a year, however it seems I overclocked my cpu 
some time back and managed
to damage the OS - it started rebooting on me.  By the time I discovered the 
problem I had to do a
reinstall.

I run MyMovies which is a third party add-in for Windows Media Center.  It 
uses a SQL Server 2005
express database (very small, about 10 mbytes), which I had running on the 
WHS server.  Now of
course I have to rebuild that as well as other software I had installed for 
the purpose of ripping
my dvds to hard disk etc.

Since I have to reinstall, it occurred to me that if I placed that in a VM 
(and it will run in a vm)
then I can place the vm out in another drive and if the time ever comes to 
move the database, it
will be in a vm and be easily portable.

I tried to use VMWare.  While it does allow me to map a physical drive to 
the vm and see it from
inside the vm, for some reason it does not see all of the directories of the 
host's drive and even
those that it can see it cannot manipulate correctly.  Maaaaaybe it has to 
do with the drive being
1.5 gb, not sure.  At any rate, the software running in the vm needs to be 
able to read (rip) dvds
and store them on a physical drive on the host machine.

I am trying to get Microsoft's VM stuff set up but I know nothing about it 
and before I get too
deeply into this and discover it does not do this, I thought I'd ask.

So, can the VM see, read and write to a host drive or partition, which is 
still visible to the host,
i.e. either writing to the disk will not cause corruption.  In fact the 
Windows Media Center does
not write to the movies stuff but it does write to music files IIRC and so I 
do not want any chance
of corrupting stuff.

Anyone?

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sat Aug  1 19:00:06 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:00:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm
In-Reply-To: <4A74CA6D.101@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A74CA6D.101@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E51AE8000D1749029DB34C6279E5D7EA@jislaptopdev>

...the xp version allows sharing of folders between guest and host
...afaik the Win7 version allows actual HD sharing

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 7:06 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm

> Does anyone know if the Windows VM stuff allows the vm to access disk 
> drives on the host machine?
>
> I use Windows Home Server, which runs over the top of Windows 2003.  I 
> have been using it
> successfully for well over a year, however it seems I overclocked my cpu 
> some time back and managed
> to damage the OS - it started rebooting on me.  By the time I discovered 
> the problem I had to do a
> reinstall.
>
> I run MyMovies which is a third party add-in for Windows Media Center.  It 
> uses a SQL Server 2005
> express database (very small, about 10 mbytes), which I had running on the 
> WHS server.  Now of
> course I have to rebuild that as well as other software I had installed 
> for the purpose of ripping
> my dvds to hard disk etc.
>
> Since I have to reinstall, it occurred to me that if I placed that in a VM 
> (and it will run in a vm)
> then I can place the vm out in another drive and if the time ever comes to 
> move the database, it
> will be in a vm and be easily portable.
>
> I tried to use VMWare.  While it does allow me to map a physical drive to 
> the vm and see it from
> inside the vm, for some reason it does not see all of the directories of 
> the host's drive and even
> those that it can see it cannot manipulate correctly.  Maaaaaybe it has to 
> do with the drive being
> 1.5 gb, not sure.  At any rate, the software running in the vm needs to be 
> able to read (rip) dvds
> and store them on a physical drive on the host machine.
>
> I am trying to get Microsoft's VM stuff set up but I know nothing about it 
> and before I get too
> deeply into this and discover it does not do this, I thought I'd ask.
>
> So, can the VM see, read and write to a host drive or partition, which is 
> still visible to the host,
> i.e. either writing to the disk will not cause corruption.  In fact the 
> Windows Media Center does
> not write to the movies stuff but it does write to music files IIRC and so 
> I do not want any chance
> of corrupting stuff.
>
> Anyone?
>
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug  1 22:42:14 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 23:42:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm
In-Reply-To: <E52D13A4020B440EAC1F05B11894C086@BPCS>
References: <4A74CA6D.101@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E52D13A4020B440EAC1F05B11894C086@BPCS>
Message-ID: <4A750B16.9050000@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks Bill.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Bill Patten wrote:
> John,
> 
> I'm not sure I understand the question but this is what I do with not known 
> problem.
> Main Machine Vista 64 running MS Virtual PC2007.
> The VM's are stored on my server (2003)
> I run an XP pro VM with QuickBooks in it. Each time I exit QB it creates a 
> backup on the Server.
> 
> I just tested copying a folder on the main machine and pasting it back with 
> no problems.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Bill
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 4:06 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: [AccessD] windows vm
> 
> Does anyone know if the Windows VM stuff allows the vm to access disk drives 
> on the host machine?
> 
> I use Windows Home Server, which runs over the top of Windows 2003.  I have 
> been using it
> successfully for well over a year, however it seems I overclocked my cpu 
> some time back and managed
> to damage the OS - it started rebooting on me.  By the time I discovered the 
> problem I had to do a
> reinstall.
> 
> I run MyMovies which is a third party add-in for Windows Media Center.  It 
> uses a SQL Server 2005
> express database (very small, about 10 mbytes), which I had running on the 
> WHS server.  Now of
> course I have to rebuild that as well as other software I had installed for 
> the purpose of ripping
> my dvds to hard disk etc.
> 
> Since I have to reinstall, it occurred to me that if I placed that in a VM 
> (and it will run in a vm)
> then I can place the vm out in another drive and if the time ever comes to 
> move the database, it
> will be in a vm and be easily portable.
> 
> I tried to use VMWare.  While it does allow me to map a physical drive to 
> the vm and see it from
> inside the vm, for some reason it does not see all of the directories of the 
> host's drive and even
> those that it can see it cannot manipulate correctly.  Maaaaaybe it has to 
> do with the drive being
> 1.5 gb, not sure.  At any rate, the software running in the vm needs to be 
> able to read (rip) dvds
> and store them on a physical drive on the host machine.
> 
> I am trying to get Microsoft's VM stuff set up but I know nothing about it 
> and before I get too
> deeply into this and discover it does not do this, I thought I'd ask.
> 
> So, can the VM see, read and write to a host drive or partition, which is 
> still visible to the host,
> i.e. either writing to the disk will not cause corruption.  In fact the 
> Windows Media Center does
> not write to the movies stuff but it does write to music files IIRC and so I 
> do not want any chance
> of corrupting stuff.
> 
> Anyone?
> 


From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Sun Aug  2 04:14:40 2009
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:14:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm
References: <4A74CA6D.101@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <890156FF6E854413A1C787DBD06F06F2@s1800>

I have just recently worked whti the winXP virtual on a winXP host and read 
and written a lot back and forth between host drive and virtual drive.Null 
problemo.
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:06 AM
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm


> Does anyone know if the Windows VM stuff allows the vm to access disk 
> drives on the host machine?
>
> I use Windows Home Server, which runs over the top of Windows 2003.  I 
> have been using it
> successfully for well over a year, however it seems I overclocked my cpu 
> some time back and managed
> to damage the OS - it started rebooting on me.  By the time I discovered 
> the problem I had to do a
> reinstall.
>
> I run MyMovies which is a third party add-in for Windows Media Center.  It 
> uses a SQL Server 2005
> express database (very small, about 10 mbytes), which I had running on the 
> WHS server.  Now of
> course I have to rebuild that as well as other software I had installed 
> for the purpose of ripping
> my dvds to hard disk etc.
>
> Since I have to reinstall, it occurred to me that if I placed that in a VM 
> (and it will run in a vm)
> then I can place the vm out in another drive and if the time ever comes to 
> move the database, it
> will be in a vm and be easily portable.
>
> I tried to use VMWare.  While it does allow me to map a physical drive to 
> the vm and see it from
> inside the vm, for some reason it does not see all of the directories of 
> the host's drive and even
> those that it can see it cannot manipulate correctly.  Maaaaaybe it has to 
> do with the drive being
> 1.5 gb, not sure.  At any rate, the software running in the vm needs to be 
> able to read (rip) dvds
> and store them on a physical drive on the host machine.
>
> I am trying to get Microsoft's VM stuff set up but I know nothing about it 
> and before I get too
> deeply into this and discover it does not do this, I thought I'd ask.
>
> So, can the VM see, read and write to a host drive or partition, which is 
> still visible to the host,
> i.e. either writing to the disk will not cause corruption.  In fact the 
> Windows Media Center does
> not write to the movies stuff but it does write to music files IIRC and so 
> I do not want any chance
> of corrupting stuff.
>
> Anyone?
>
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 08:02:35 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:02:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E7@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com>	<cda8f54e0907270412h37a0aa5g99c560b3e6460e43@mail.gmail.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E3@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E7@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>

Hi List:
I had many frustrating times when I was trying to figure out which of you
were awake and which asleep
Anyway, here is a .hta text file to keep open on your desktop.  If your
interested, just copy everything below my name to a text file called
MyDeskop.hta and put in somewhere.  Then d/click it.

Some other PC info as well.  Bit of a hack.

Max

<head>
<title>Access-D Dashboard.      max.wanadoo at gmail.com</title>
<!-- Author Max Sherman 2nd August 2009 - Free to all. -->

<!-- Runs on Vista Machines.
Some code may run on other platforms but not tested.
No guarantees and definitely NO support.
This is a big  hack from the help files.  Once I understand
what I am actually doing, I may be able to improve on it !!
Please report bugs or suggestions to:
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Many thanks.
Hope you find it useful.
Max -->

<!-- The clocks come from /www.worldtimeserver.com and reflect six time 
zones I am interested in across the World to see when my colleagues 
on Access-D might be available to help with MS Access problems.

It start on the West coast of N.America across the the E.Coast, then London,

Moscow and ending up in the two sides of Oz.

Add, delete as you wish.

There are 24 hour (military) style clocks - which I prefer - and 
normal 12 hour clocks with the DAY shown in the centre.
The showing of the day is very useful because frequently my 
colleagues "down-under" are starting a new day when I am ending 
the previous one. -->

<HTA:APPLICATION 
     APPLICATIONNAME="AccessD-Desktop"
     SCROLL="yes"
     SINGLEINSTANCE="yes"
     WINDOWSTATE="normal">
</head>

<body>
<hr>
<br>
<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr><td align="left"><font color="#FF0000"><p><span id =
"MyName"></span></font></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">World Local Times - 24hr
Military (with Day) and 12Hr (with AM/PM)</font></b></td></tr>
</table>

<table>
<tr>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objUSCA = new Object;objUSCA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSCA.color =
"6495ED";objUSCA.wtsid = "US-CA";objUSCA.width = 100;objUSCA.height =
100;objUSCA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSCA);</script>
</td>

<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objUSNY = new Object;objUSNY.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSNY.color =
"6495ED";objUSNY.wtsid = "US-NY";objUSNY.width = 100;objUSNY.height =
100;objUSNY.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSNY);</script>
</td>

<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objGB = new Object;objGB.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objGB.color =
"6495ED";objGB.wtsid = "GB";objGB.width = 100;objGB.height = 100;objGB.wmode
= "transparent";showClock(objGB);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type=<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objRUMOW = new Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objRUMOW.color =
"6495ED";objRUMOW.wtsid = "RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width = 100;objRUMOW.height =
100;objRUMOW.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
</td>

<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA = new
Object;objAUWA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUWA.color =
"6495ED";objAUWA.wtsid = "AU-WA";objAUWA.width = 100;objAUWA.height =
100;objAUWA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUWA);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objAUACT = new Object;objAUACT.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUACT.color =
"6495ED";objAUACT.wtsid = "AU-ACT";objAUACT.width = 100;objAUACT.height =
100;objAUACT.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td align="center"><h4>California</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>New York</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>London</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>Moscow</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>Perth</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>Canbera</h4></td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objUSCA=new
Object;objUSCA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSCA.color="FFFF00";objUSCA.wts
id="US-CA";objUSCA.width=100;objUSCA.height=100;objUSCA.wmode="transparent";
showClock(objUSCA);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objUSNY=new
Object;objUSNY.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSNY.color="FFFF00";objUSNY.wts
id="US-NY";objUSNY.width=100;objUSNY.height=100;objUSNY.wmode="transparent";
showClock(objUSNY);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objGB=new
Object;objGB.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objGB.color="FFFF00";objGB.wtsid="GB
";objGB.width=100;objGB.height=100;objGB.wmode="transparent";showClock(objGB
);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objRUMOW=new
Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objRUMOW.color="FFFF00";objRUMOW.
wtsid="RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width=100;objRUMOW.height=100;objRUMOW.wmode="transp
arent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA=new
Object;objAUWA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUWA.color="FFFF00";objAUWA.wts
id="AU-WA";objAUWA.width=100;objAUWA.height=100;objAUWA.wmode="transparent";
showClock(objAUWA);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUACT=new
Object;objAUACT.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUACT.color="FFFF00";objAUACT.
wtsid="AU-ACT";objAUACT.width=100;objAUACT.height=100;objAUACT.wmode="transp
arent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<br>

<hr>
<br>
<table>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Outlook
Mail</font></b></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Inbox Total Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyInboxCt"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Inbox Unread Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyInboxUnreadCt"></span></td></tr>
</table>
<br>

<hr>
<br>
<table>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Operating
System</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"OSVersion"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Service
Pack</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"OSServicePack"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Computer
Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyComputerType"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Physical No. of
Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyProcessorsPhysical"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Logical No. of
Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyProcessorsLogical"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Architecture
Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyArchitecture"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">HyperThreading
Architecture</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyHyperThreading"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Total Physical
Memory</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyMemory"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">System Rating
Scores:-</font></b></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Processor</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyProcessorScore"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Memory</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyMemoryScore"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Primary Hard Disk</span></td><td align="left"><p><span
id = "MyDiskScore"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Graphics</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyGraphicsScore"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Gaming Graphic</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id
= "MyD3DScore"></span></td></tr>
</table>
<br>

<hr>
<br>
<table>
<tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running Applications:-</font></b></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningApps"></span></td></tr>
</table>
<br>

<!-- What Processes Are Running-->
<hr>
<br>
<table>
<tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running Processes:-</font></b></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningProcesses"></span></td></tr>
</table>
<br>

<hr>
</body>

<script language="VBScript">
    sub window_onLoad
	<!-- Update Outlook mail count every 30 seconds -->
	<!--   GetMemory -->
   <!--    iTimerID = window.setInterval("GetOutlookInBox", 30000) -->
	  getMyName
	  GetRunningApps
	  GetOSVersion
	  GetOSServicePack
	  GetSystem
	  GetProcesses
	  GetComputerType
	  GetProcessors
	  GetArchitecture
      GetOutlookInBox
    end sub

	sub GetSystem
	<!-- Vista Only -->
	strComputer = "."
    Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
    Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * From Win32_WinSAT")
    
    For Each objItem in colItems
        MyProcessorScore.InnerHTML = objItem.CPUScore
        MyMemoryScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.MemoryScore 
        MyDiskScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.DiskScore
        MyGraphicsScore.InnerHTML=  objItem.GraphicsScore
        MyD3DScore.InnerHTML = objItem.D3DScore
        <!-- strHTML = strHTML &  "Windows System Performance Rating: " &
objItem.WinCRSLevel & "<br>" -->
    Next
	end sub

    Sub GetOSVersion
	       strComputer = "."
           Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
           Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
               ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
           For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
            	OSVersion.InnerHTML=objOperatingSystem.Caption & " " &
objOperatingSystem.Version
           Next
    End Sub

    sub GetOSServicePack
	strComputer = "."
	Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
	Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
	    ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
	For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
	    OSServicePack.InnerHTML ="(Major.Minor) " &
objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMajorVersion & "." &
objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMinorVersion
	Next
    end sub

	sub GetComputerType
	strComputer = "." 
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\CIMV2") 
      Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_ComputerSystem") 
      
      Select Case colItems.ItemIndex(0).PCSystemType
          Case 0
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Unspecified"
          Case 1
             MyComputerType.InnerHTML="Desktop"
          Case 2
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Mobile"
          Case 3
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Workstation"
          Case 4
              MyComputerTyp.InnerHTMLe= "Enterprise Server"
          Case 5
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "SOHO Server"
          Case 6
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Applicance PC"
          Case 7
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Performance Server"
          Case 8
             MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Role Maximum"
      End Select
	end sub
	
	sub GetProcessors
  		strComputer = "." 
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\CIMV2") 
      Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_ComputerSystem") 
      
      intLogical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfLogicalProcessors
      intPhysical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfProcessors
      
      MyProcessorsLogical.InnerHTML= "Logical: " & intLogical
	  MyProcessorsPhysical.InnerHTML= "Physical: " & intPhysical
      
      If  intLogical > intPhysical Then
          MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML= "This is a hyperthreading
architecture."
      Else
          MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML="This is not a hyperthreading
architecture."
      End If	
	end sub
	
	sub GetArchitecture
		strComputer = "." 
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\CIMV2") 
      Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_Processor") 
      For Each objItem in colItems 
          MyArchitecture.InnerHTML= "Architecture: " & objItem.Architecture
          Select Case objItem.Architecture
              Case 0
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
(x86)"
              Case 1
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
(MIPS)"
              Case 2
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
(Alpha)"
              Case 3
                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
(PowerPC)"
              Case 6
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
(Intel Itanium Processor Family [IPF])"
              Case 9
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
(x64)"
          End Select         
      Next
	end sub
	
	sub GetOutlookInBox
	Const olFolderInbox = 6
		  strComputer = "."
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
      Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
          ("Select * From Win32_Process Where Name = 'outlook.exe'") 
      If colItems.Count = 0 Then
          Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
          Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
          objNamespace.Logon "Default Outlook Profile",, False, True    
          Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
          objFolder.Display
          Set colItems = objFolder.Items
		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML=objFolder.UnreadItemCount
      Else
          Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
          Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
          Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
          Set colItems = objFolder.Items
		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML= objFolder.UnreadItemCount
      End If
	end sub

	sub GetRunningApps
	  strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "
& _
          "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
	  Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
      Set colTasks = objWord.Tasks      
      For Each objTask in colTasks
          If objTask.Visible Then
		     strHTML = strHTML & "<tr><td>" & objTask.Name &
"</td></tr>"
          End If
      Next      
      objWord.Quit
      strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
	  MyRunningApps.InnerHTML=strHTML
    end sub
	
    Sub GetProcesses
  	strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "  &
_
          "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
	  strHTML=strHTML & "<tr><td>Processes</td><td>Process ID</td></tr>"
       strComputer = "."
       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
       Set colProcesses = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
Win32_Process")  
       For Each objProcess in colProcesses
          strHTML = strHTML & "<tr>"
          strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.Name & "</td>"
          strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.ProcessID & _
              "</td>"
       Next  
      strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
      MyRunningProcesses.InnerHTML = strHTML
    End Sub
	
	sub GetMemory	
  	strComputer = "atl-dc-01" 
      Set wbemServices = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer) 
      Set wbemObjectSet =
wbemServices.InstancesOf("Win32_LogicalMemoryConfiguration") 
      For Each wbemObject In wbemObjectSet 
          MyMemory.InnerHTML= wbemObject.TotalPhysicalMemory 
      Next 
	end sub
	
	sub GetMyName
		strHTML=""
      	strComputer = "."
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
      Set colComputers = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
          ("Select * from Win32_ComputerSystem")
      For Each objComputer in colComputers
          strHTML=  objComputer.Name
      Next	  
	  strComputer = "."
        Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
        Set IPConfigSet = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
            ("Select IPAddress from Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration Where
IPEnabled=TRUE")
        For Each IPConfig in IPConfigSet
            If Not IsNull(IPConfig.IPAddress) Then
                For Each strAddress in IPConfig.IPAddress
                    strHMTL = strHTML & " IP Address: " & strAddress
                Next
            End If
        Next
		MyName.InnerHTML = strHTML
    end sub
</script>




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 10:08:55 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:08:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
Message-ID: <4a75ac74.1818d00a.70da.ffff91e0@mx.google.com>

Rocky,

Here is a good site?

 

http://www.speedtest.net/

 

Try different locations - graphics great.

 

Max

 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 10:12:25 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:12:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Chinese astronauts wanted - but no bad breath
Message-ID: <4a75ad4b.0a1ad00a.6d7e.71f0@mx.google.com>

 

Bloody hell guys!

 

This means that if I lived in China, I cannot even leave the house!

 

I would like Mr Xiong Ping Pong to know that, whether I need it or not, I have a shower every New Year.

 

Max

p.s. Hope it is still Friday somewhere?.

 

Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Posted on: 02 August 2009 15:52
Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Subject: Chinese astronauts wanted - but no bad breath

 


China draws up 100 health requirements for people wanting to go into space, banning body odours, runny noses and tooth cavities.


View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/8180480.stm>  article...



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug  2 10:50:54 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 08:50:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
In-Reply-To: <4a75ac74.1818d00a.70da.ffff91e0@mx.google.com>
References: <4a75ac74.1818d00a.70da.ffff91e0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F170D3CBDE6B4E02BEF4FA8785687AE9@HAL9005>

Nicer graphics than speakeasy, for sure. It would be nice to know the
methodologies for these different speed tests. But this one came out very
close to speakeasy so I guess it doesn't make that much difference.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests

Rocky,

Here is a good site?

 

http://www.speedtest.net/

 

Try different locations - graphics great.

 

Max

 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 11:03:32 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:03:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
In-Reply-To: <F170D3CBDE6B4E02BEF4FA8785687AE9@HAL9005>
References: <4a75ac74.1818d00a.70da.ffff91e0@mx.google.com>
	<F170D3CBDE6B4E02BEF4FA8785687AE9@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4a75b945.0a04d00a.060e.ffff8e9c@mx.google.com>

At the end of the day, all I want is INSTANTANEOUS  -  Is that tooo much to
ask for?

Max
Ps - preferably for free.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 02 August 2009 16:51
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests

Nicer graphics than speakeasy, for sure. It would be nice to know the
methodologies for these different speed tests. But this one came out very
close to speakeasy so I guess it doesn't make that much difference.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests

Rocky,

Here is a good site?

 

http://www.speedtest.net/

 

Try different locations - graphics great.

 

Max

 

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sun Aug  2 11:25:20 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:25:20 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
References: <4a75ac74.1818d00a.70da.ffff91e0@mx.google.com><F170D3CBDE6B4E02BEF4FA8785687AE9@HAL9005>
	<4a75b945.0a04d00a.060e.ffff8e9c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B9A50051C3BE4954BA0D40559625D74A@Mattys>

Fascinating, Captain.

This lifeform is beginning to progress beyond his evolutionary limits.

It is possible that his DNA is aware that it needs this information added
at lightspeed in order to attain unencumbered travel within the space-time
continuum. Very soon he may also develop his own personal forcefield.

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests


> At the end of the day, all I want is INSTANTANEOUS  -  Is that tooo much 
> to
> ask for?
>
> Max
> Ps - preferably for free.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: 02 August 2009 16:51
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
>
> Nicer graphics than speakeasy, for sure. It would be nice to know the
> methodologies for these different speed tests. But this one came out very
> close to speakeasy so I guess it doesn't make that much difference.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:09 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
>
> Rocky,
>
> Here is a good site?
>
>
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/
>
>
>
> Try different locations - graphics great.
>
>
>
> Max
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug  2 12:43:47 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:43:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com>	<cda8f54e0907270412h37a0aa5g99c560b3e6460e43@mail.gmail.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E3@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E7@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com>

I get an "unterminated string" error message.  Several in fact.  It eventually does open, and 
displays a bunch of clocks, and then hardware info lines with no info.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hi List:
> I had many frustrating times when I was trying to figure out which of you
> were awake and which asleep
> Anyway, here is a .hta text file to keep open on your desktop.  If your
> interested, just copy everything below my name to a text file called
> MyDeskop.hta and put in somewhere.  Then d/click it.
> 
> Some other PC info as well.  Bit of a hack.
> 
> Max
> 
> <head>
> <title>Access-D Dashboard.      max.wanadoo at gmail.com</title>
> <!-- Author Max Sherman 2nd August 2009 - Free to all. -->
> 
> <!-- Runs on Vista Machines.
> Some code may run on other platforms but not tested.
> No guarantees and definitely NO support.
> This is a big  hack from the help files.  Once I understand
> what I am actually doing, I may be able to improve on it !!
> Please report bugs or suggestions to:
> max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Many thanks.
> Hope you find it useful.
> Max -->
> 
> <!-- The clocks come from /www.worldtimeserver.com and reflect six time 
> zones I am interested in across the World to see when my colleagues 
> on Access-D might be available to help with MS Access problems.
> 
> It start on the West coast of N.America across the the E.Coast, then London,
> 
> Moscow and ending up in the two sides of Oz.
> 
> Add, delete as you wish.
> 
> There are 24 hour (military) style clocks - which I prefer - and 
> normal 12 hour clocks with the DAY shown in the centre.
> The showing of the day is very useful because frequently my 
> colleagues "down-under" are starting a new day when I am ending 
> the previous one. -->
> 
> <HTA:APPLICATION 
>      APPLICATIONNAME="AccessD-Desktop"
>      SCROLL="yes"
>      SINGLEINSTANCE="yes"
>      WINDOWSTATE="normal">
> </head>
> 
> <body>
> <hr>
> <br>
> <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
> <tr><td align="left"><font color="#FF0000"><p><span id =
> "MyName"></span></font></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">World Local Times - 24hr
> Military (with Day) and 12Hr (with AM/PM)</font></b></td></tr>
> </table>
> 
> <table>
> <tr>
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> objUSCA = new Object;objUSCA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSCA.color =
> "6495ED";objUSCA.wtsid = "US-CA";objUSCA.width = 100;objUSCA.height =
> 100;objUSCA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSCA);</script>
> </td>
> 
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> objUSNY = new Object;objUSNY.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSNY.color =
> "6495ED";objUSNY.wtsid = "US-NY";objUSNY.width = 100;objUSNY.height =
> 100;objUSNY.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSNY);</script>
> </td>
> 
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> objGB = new Object;objGB.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objGB.color =
> "6495ED";objGB.wtsid = "GB";objGB.width = 100;objGB.height = 100;objGB.wmode
> = "transparent";showClock(objGB);</script>
> </td>
> <td align="center">
> <script type=<script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> objRUMOW = new Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objRUMOW.color =
> "6495ED";objRUMOW.wtsid = "RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width = 100;objRUMOW.height =
> 100;objRUMOW.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
> </td>
> 
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA = new
> Object;objAUWA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUWA.color =
> "6495ED";objAUWA.wtsid = "AU-WA";objAUWA.width = 100;objAUWA.height =
> 100;objAUWA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUWA);</script>
> </td>
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> objAUACT = new Object;objAUACT.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUACT.color =
> "6495ED";objAUACT.wtsid = "AU-ACT";objAUACT.width = 100;objAUACT.height =
> 100;objAUACT.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
> </td>
> </tr>
> 
> <tr>
> <td align="center"><h4>California</h4></td>
> <td align="center"><h4>New York</h4></td>
> <td align="center"><h4>London</h4></td>
> <td align="center"><h4>Moscow</h4></td>
> <td align="center"><h4>Perth</h4></td>
> <td align="center"><h4>Canbera</h4></td>
> </tr>
> 
> <tr>
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> objUSCA=new
> Object;objUSCA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSCA.color="FFFF00";objUSCA.wts
> id="US-CA";objUSCA.width=100;objUSCA.height=100;objUSCA.wmode="transparent";
> showClock(objUSCA);</script>
> </td>
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> objUSNY=new
> Object;objUSNY.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSNY.color="FFFF00";objUSNY.wts
> id="US-NY";objUSNY.width=100;objUSNY.height=100;objUSNY.wmode="transparent";
> showClock(objUSNY);</script>
> </td>
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objGB=new
> Object;objGB.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objGB.color="FFFF00";objGB.wtsid="GB
> ";objGB.width=100;objGB.height=100;objGB.wmode="transparent";showClock(objGB
> );</script>
> </td>
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objRUMOW=new
> Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objRUMOW.color="FFFF00";objRUMOW.
> wtsid="RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width=100;objRUMOW.height=100;objRUMOW.wmode="transp
> arent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
> </td>
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA=new
> Object;objAUWA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUWA.color="FFFF00";objAUWA.wts
> id="AU-WA";objAUWA.width=100;objAUWA.height=100;objAUWA.wmode="transparent";
> showClock(objAUWA);</script>
> </td>
> <td align="center">
> <script type="text/javascript"
> src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUACT=new
> Object;objAUACT.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUACT.color="FFFF00";objAUACT.
> wtsid="AU-ACT";objAUACT.width=100;objAUACT.height=100;objAUACT.wmode="transp
> arent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
> </td>
> </tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> 
> <hr>
> <br>
> <table>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Outlook
> Mail</font></b></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left">Inbox Total Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyInboxCt"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left">Inbox Unread Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyInboxUnreadCt"></span></td></tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> 
> <hr>
> <br>
> <table>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Operating
> System</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "OSVersion"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Service
> Pack</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "OSServicePack"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Computer
> Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyComputerType"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Physical No. of
> Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyProcessorsPhysical"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Logical No. of
> Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyProcessorsLogical"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Architecture
> Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyArchitecture"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">HyperThreading
> Architecture</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyHyperThreading"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Total Physical
> Memory</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyMemory"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">System Rating
> Scores:-</font></b></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left">Processor</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyProcessorScore"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left">Memory</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyMemoryScore"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left">Primary Hard Disk</span></td><td align="left"><p><span
> id = "MyDiskScore"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left">Graphics</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> "MyGraphicsScore"></span></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left">Gaming Graphic</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id
> = "MyD3DScore"></span></td></tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> 
> <hr>
> <br>
> <table>
> <tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running Applications:-</font></b></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningApps"></span></td></tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> 
> <!-- What Processes Are Running-->
> <hr>
> <br>
> <table>
> <tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running Processes:-</font></b></td></tr>
> <tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningProcesses"></span></td></tr>
> </table>
> <br>
> 
> <hr>
> </body>
> 
> <script language="VBScript">
>     sub window_onLoad
> 	<!-- Update Outlook mail count every 30 seconds -->
> 	<!--   GetMemory -->
>    <!--    iTimerID = window.setInterval("GetOutlookInBox", 30000) -->
> 	  getMyName
> 	  GetRunningApps
> 	  GetOSVersion
> 	  GetOSServicePack
> 	  GetSystem
> 	  GetProcesses
> 	  GetComputerType
> 	  GetProcessors
> 	  GetArchitecture
>       GetOutlookInBox
>     end sub
> 
> 	sub GetSystem
> 	<!-- Vista Only -->
> 	strComputer = "."
>     Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\cimv2")
>     Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * From Win32_WinSAT")
>     
>     For Each objItem in colItems
>         MyProcessorScore.InnerHTML = objItem.CPUScore
>         MyMemoryScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.MemoryScore 
>         MyDiskScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.DiskScore
>         MyGraphicsScore.InnerHTML=  objItem.GraphicsScore
>         MyD3DScore.InnerHTML = objItem.D3DScore
>         <!-- strHTML = strHTML &  "Windows System Performance Rating: " &
> objItem.WinCRSLevel & "<br>" -->
>     Next
> 	end sub
> 
>     Sub GetOSVersion
> 	       strComputer = "."
>            Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\cimv2")
>            Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
>                ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
>            For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
>             	OSVersion.InnerHTML=objOperatingSystem.Caption & " " &
> objOperatingSystem.Version
>            Next
>     End Sub
> 
>     sub GetOSServicePack
> 	strComputer = "."
> 	Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\cimv2")
> 	Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> 	    ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
> 	For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
> 	    OSServicePack.InnerHTML ="(Major.Minor) " &
> objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMajorVersion & "." &
> objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMinorVersion
> 	Next
>     end sub
> 
> 	sub GetComputerType
> 	strComputer = "." 
>       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\CIMV2") 
>       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> Win32_ComputerSystem") 
>       
>       Select Case colItems.ItemIndex(0).PCSystemType
>           Case 0
>               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Unspecified"
>           Case 1
>              MyComputerType.InnerHTML="Desktop"
>           Case 2
>               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Mobile"
>           Case 3
>               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Workstation"
>           Case 4
>               MyComputerTyp.InnerHTMLe= "Enterprise Server"
>           Case 5
>               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "SOHO Server"
>           Case 6
>               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Applicance PC"
>           Case 7
>               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Performance Server"
>           Case 8
>              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Role Maximum"
>       End Select
> 	end sub
> 	
> 	sub GetProcessors
>   		strComputer = "." 
>       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\CIMV2") 
>       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> Win32_ComputerSystem") 
>       
>       intLogical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfLogicalProcessors
>       intPhysical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfProcessors
>       
>       MyProcessorsLogical.InnerHTML= "Logical: " & intLogical
> 	  MyProcessorsPhysical.InnerHTML= "Physical: " & intPhysical
>       
>       If  intLogical > intPhysical Then
>           MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML= "This is a hyperthreading
> architecture."
>       Else
>           MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML="This is not a hyperthreading
> architecture."
>       End If	
> 	end sub
> 	
> 	sub GetArchitecture
> 		strComputer = "." 
>       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\CIMV2") 
>       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> Win32_Processor") 
>       For Each objItem in colItems 
>           MyArchitecture.InnerHTML= "Architecture: " & objItem.Architecture
>           Select Case objItem.Architecture
>               Case 0
>                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> (x86)"
>               Case 1
>                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> (MIPS)"
>               Case 2
>                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> (Alpha)"
>               Case 3
>                   MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> (PowerPC)"
>               Case 6
>                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> (Intel Itanium Processor Family [IPF])"
>               Case 9
>                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> (x64)"
>           End Select         
>       Next
> 	end sub
> 	
> 	sub GetOutlookInBox
> 	Const olFolderInbox = 6
> 		  strComputer = "."
>       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\cimv2")
>       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
>           ("Select * From Win32_Process Where Name = 'outlook.exe'") 
>       If colItems.Count = 0 Then
>           Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>           Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
>           objNamespace.Logon "Default Outlook Profile",, False, True    
>           Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
>           objFolder.Display
>           Set colItems = objFolder.Items
> 		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
> 		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML=objFolder.UnreadItemCount
>       Else
>           Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>           Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
>           Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
>           Set colItems = objFolder.Items
> 		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
> 		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML= objFolder.UnreadItemCount
>       End If
> 	end sub
> 
> 	sub GetRunningApps
> 	  strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "
> & _
>           "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
> 	  Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
>       Set colTasks = objWord.Tasks      
>       For Each objTask in colTasks
>           If objTask.Visible Then
> 		     strHTML = strHTML & "<tr><td>" & objTask.Name &
> "</td></tr>"
>           End If
>       Next      
>       objWord.Quit
>       strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
> 	  MyRunningApps.InnerHTML=strHTML
>     end sub
> 	
>     Sub GetProcesses
>   	strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "  &
> _
>           "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
> 	  strHTML=strHTML & "<tr><td>Processes</td><td>Process ID</td></tr>"
>        strComputer = "."
>        Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\cimv2")
>        Set colProcesses = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
> Win32_Process")  
>        For Each objProcess in colProcesses
>           strHTML = strHTML & "<tr>"
>           strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.Name & "</td>"
>           strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.ProcessID & _
>               "</td>"
>        Next  
>       strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
>       MyRunningProcesses.InnerHTML = strHTML
>     End Sub
> 	
> 	sub GetMemory	
>   	strComputer = "atl-dc-01" 
>       Set wbemServices = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer) 
>       Set wbemObjectSet =
> wbemServices.InstancesOf("Win32_LogicalMemoryConfiguration") 
>       For Each wbemObject In wbemObjectSet 
>           MyMemory.InnerHTML= wbemObject.TotalPhysicalMemory 
>       Next 
> 	end sub
> 	
> 	sub GetMyName
> 		strHTML=""
>       	strComputer = "."
>       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\cimv2")
>       Set colComputers = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
>           ("Select * from Win32_ComputerSystem")
>       For Each objComputer in colComputers
>           strHTML=  objComputer.Name
>       Next	  
> 	  strComputer = "."
>         Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\cimv2")
>         Set IPConfigSet = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
>             ("Select IPAddress from Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration Where
> IPEnabled=TRUE")
>         For Each IPConfig in IPConfigSet
>             If Not IsNull(IPConfig.IPAddress) Then
>                 For Each strAddress in IPConfig.IPAddress
>                     strHMTL = strHTML & " IP Address: " & strAddress
>                 Next
>             End If
>         Next
> 		MyName.InnerHTML = strHTML
>     end sub
> </script>
> 
> 


From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sun Aug  2 12:46:52 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:46:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
References: <4a75ac74.1818d00a.70da.ffff91e0@mx.google.com><F170D3CBDE6B4E02BEF4FA8785687AE9@HAL9005><4a75b945.0a04d00a.060e.ffff8e9c@mx.google.com>
	<B9A50051C3BE4954BA0D40559625D74A@Mattys>
Message-ID: <4B15B3B43CC44B9FBB0055B16839E686@Mattys>

Max ... ? I was just making it feel more like Friday ...

-
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MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests


> Fascinating, Captain.
>
> This lifeform is beginning to progress beyond his evolutionary limits.
>
> It is possible that his DNA is aware that it needs this information added
> at lightspeed in order to attain unencumbered travel within the space-time
> continuum. Very soon he may also develop his own personal forcefield.
>
> -
> Michael R Mattys
> MapPoint and Database Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> -
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
>
>
>> At the end of the day, all I want is INSTANTANEOUS  -  Is that tooo much
>> to
>> ask for?
>>
>> Max
>> Ps - preferably for free.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: 02 August 2009 16:51
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
>>
>> Nicer graphics than speakeasy, for sure. It would be nice to know the
>> methodologies for these different speed tests. But this one came out very
>> close to speakeasy so I guess it doesn't make that much difference.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:09 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> Here is a good site?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.speedtest.net/
>>
>>
>>
>> Try different locations - graphics great.
>>
>>
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Aug  2 13:44:59 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:44:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010
Message-ID: <465380FEA47C4036AC5767D9886AAD82@danwaters>

Interesting!

(To find this quickly, do a search for 'Trigger' on the web page.)

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/28/meet-the-access-2010-macro-d
esigner.aspx

Dan




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 13:51:49 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:51:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times
Message-ID: <4a75e057.1c07d00a.1050.1072@mx.google.com>

Uh?, I would have got the  message after the first bite?.

 

Who was doing the counting, the adder?

 

Max

 

 

Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Posted on: 02 August 2009 17:23
Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Subject: Man bitten by adder three times

 


A 31-year-old man has been bitten by Britain's only poisonous snake - an adder - three times while on a beach.


View article... <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/wales/8180530.stm> 

 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 13:53:55 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:53:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
In-Reply-To: <4B15B3B43CC44B9FBB0055B16839E686@Mattys>
References: <4a75ac74.1818d00a.70da.ffff91e0@mx.google.com><F170D3CBDE6B4E02BEF4FA8785687AE9@HAL9005><4a75b945.0a04d00a.060e.ffff8e9c@mx.google.com>	<B9A50051C3BE4954BA0D40559625D74A@Mattys>
	<4B15B3B43CC44B9FBB0055B16839E686@Mattys>
Message-ID: <4a75e0d5.0a04d00a.0624.fffffa4e@mx.google.com>

I do the gags around here, ok?

Max
Ps - very good...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: 02 August 2009 18:47
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests

Max ... ? I was just making it feel more like Friday ...

-
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MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests


> Fascinating, Captain.
>
> This lifeform is beginning to progress beyond his evolutionary limits.
>
> It is possible that his DNA is aware that it needs this information added
> at lightspeed in order to attain unencumbered travel within the space-time
> continuum. Very soon he may also develop his own personal forcefield.
>
> -
> Michael R Mattys
> MapPoint and Database Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> -
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
>
>
>> At the end of the day, all I want is INSTANTANEOUS  -  Is that tooo much
>> to
>> ask for?
>>
>> Max
>> Ps - preferably for free.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
>> Sent: 02 August 2009 16:51
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
>>
>> Nicer graphics than speakeasy, for sure. It would be nice to know the
>> methodologies for these different speed tests. But this one came out very
>> close to speakeasy so I guess it doesn't make that much difference.
>>
>> Rocky
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:09 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Speed Tests
>>
>> Rocky,
>>
>> Here is a good site?
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.speedtest.net/
>>
>>
>>
>> Try different locations - graphics great.
>>
>>
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 14:11:11 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:11:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <465380FEA47C4036AC5767D9886AAD82@danwaters>
References: <465380FEA47C4036AC5767D9886AAD82@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4a75e4e2.0707d00a.6da4.7f7b@mx.google.com>

I got something about hyperlinks - is that what you meant?
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 02 August 2009 19:45
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

Interesting!

(To find this quickly, do a search for 'Trigger' on the web page.)

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/28/meet-the-access-2010-macro-d
esigner.aspx

Dan


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 14:24:12 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:24:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Desktop.HTA
Message-ID: <4a75e7f1.0508d00a.6a29.ffffc1c1@mx.google.com>

Sorry Guys,

I should have made it clear in my posting that it was written for Vista.

It probably won't work on other versions (some of it may, some may not)

 

Max

 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Aug  2 14:48:26 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 14:48:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <4a75e4e2.0707d00a.6da4.7f7b@mx.google.com>
References: <465380FEA47C4036AC5767D9886AAD82@danwaters>
	<4a75e4e2.0707d00a.6da4.7f7b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3D81E6992882456F85DAC2BCDDCEA1B8@danwaters>

Check to see if you're entering the entire URL.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

I got something about hyperlinks - is that what you meant?
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 02 August 2009 19:45
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

Interesting!

(To find this quickly, do a search for 'Trigger' on the web page.)

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/28/meet-the-access-2010-macro-d
esigner.aspx

Dan


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 14:52:55 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 20:52:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <3D81E6992882456F85DAC2BCDDCEA1B8@danwaters>
References: <465380FEA47C4036AC5767D9886AAD82@danwaters>	<4a75e4e2.0707d00a.6da4.7f7b@mx.google.com>
	<3D81E6992882456F85DAC2BCDDCEA1B8@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4a75eeb0.0a1ad00a.6d7e.09c5@mx.google.com>

I got the site ok, all about the new macros, but when I keyed in TRIGGERS
into the page search it came up with one hit which was about hyperlinks.
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 02 August 2009 20:48
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

Check to see if you're entering the entire URL.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

I got something about hyperlinks - is that what you meant?
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 02 August 2009 19:45
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

Interesting!

(To find this quickly, do a search for 'Trigger' on the web page.)

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/28/meet-the-access-2010-macro-d
esigner.aspx

Dan


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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Aug  2 15:37:41 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:37:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <4a75eeb0.0a1ad00a.6d7e.09c5@mx.google.com>
References: <465380FEA47C4036AC5767D9886AAD82@danwaters>	<4a75e4e2.0707d00a.6da4.7f7b@mx.google.com><3D81E6992882456F85DAC2BCDDCEA1B8@danwaters>
	<4a75eeb0.0a1ad00a.6d7e.09c5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F8DD1C4E193A4BD7B24B8E95286F6337@danwaters>

Sorry - what I meant was to click on the page itself, then push Ctrl+F to
find a word on the page.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

I got the site ok, all about the new macros, but when I keyed in TRIGGERS
into the page search it came up with one hit which was about hyperlinks.
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 02 August 2009 20:48
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

Check to see if you're entering the entire URL.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

I got something about hyperlinks - is that what you meant?
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 02 August 2009 19:45
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

Interesting!

(To find this quickly, do a search for 'Trigger' on the web page.)

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/28/meet-the-access-2010-macro-d
esigner.aspx

Dan


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug  2 15:39:35 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:39:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista
Message-ID: <E75615665BD0422BA74BDDCF752E6C23@HAL9005>

Is there some equivalent to VPC 2007 that is compatible with Vista?

TIA

 

Rocky

 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug  2 15:59:28 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 06:59:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

A lot of line breaks were inserted by the mailing.

Quite a few of these were in points which break the code (inside strings for example).
You need to do a fair bit of tidying up  to get it all working.  

Even then, I get one error "can't create object" on "Set objWord = 
CreateObject("Word.Application")".

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Aug 2009 at 13:43, jwcolby wrote:

> I get an "unterminated string" error message.  Several in fact.  It eventually does open, and 
> displays a bunch of clocks, and then hardware info lines with no info.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
> > Hi List:
> > I had many frustrating times when I was trying to figure out which of you
> > were awake and which asleep
> > Anyway, here is a .hta text file to keep open on your desktop.  If your
> > interested, just copy everything below my name to a text file called
> > MyDeskop.hta and put in somewhere.  Then d/click it.
> > 
> > Some other PC info as well.  Bit of a hack.
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > <head>
> > <title>Access-D Dashboard.      max.wanadoo at gmail.com</title>
> > <!-- Author Max Sherman 2nd August 2009 - Free to all. -->
> > 
> > <!-- Runs on Vista Machines.
> > Some code may run on other platforms but not tested.
> > No guarantees and definitely NO support.
> > This is a big  hack from the help files.  Once I understand
> > what I am actually doing, I may be able to improve on it !!
> > Please report bugs or suggestions to:
> > max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> > Many thanks.
> > Hope you find it useful.
> > Max -->
> > 
> > <!-- The clocks come from /www.worldtimeserver.com and reflect six time 
> > zones I am interested in across the World to see when my colleagues 
> > on Access-D might be available to help with MS Access problems.
> > 
> > It start on the West coast of N.America across the the E.Coast, then London,
> > 
> > Moscow and ending up in the two sides of Oz.
> > 
> > Add, delete as you wish.
> > 
> > There are 24 hour (military) style clocks - which I prefer - and 
> > normal 12 hour clocks with the DAY shown in the centre.
> > The showing of the day is very useful because frequently my 
> > colleagues "down-under" are starting a new day when I am ending 
> > the previous one. -->
> > 
> > <HTA:APPLICATION 
> >      APPLICATIONNAME="AccessD-Desktop"
> >      SCROLL="yes"
> >      SINGLEINSTANCE="yes"
> >      WINDOWSTATE="normal">
> > </head>
> > 
> > <body>
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
> > <tr><td align="left"><font color="#FF0000"><p><span id =
> > "MyName"></span></font></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">World Local Times - 24hr
> > Military (with Day) and 12Hr (with AM/PM)</font></b></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > 
> > <table>
> > <tr>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objUSCA = new Object;objUSCA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSCA.color =
> > "6495ED";objUSCA.wtsid = "US-CA";objUSCA.width = 100;objUSCA.height =
> > 100;objUSCA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSCA);</script>
> > </td>
> > 
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objUSNY = new Object;objUSNY.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSNY.color =
> > "6495ED";objUSNY.wtsid = "US-NY";objUSNY.width = 100;objUSNY.height =
> > 100;objUSNY.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSNY);</script>
> > </td>
> > 
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objGB = new Object;objGB.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objGB.color =
> > "6495ED";objGB.wtsid = "GB";objGB.width = 100;objGB.height = 100;objGB.wmode
> > = "transparent";showClock(objGB);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type=<script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objRUMOW = new Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objRUMOW.color =
> > "6495ED";objRUMOW.wtsid = "RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width = 100;objRUMOW.height =
> > 100;objRUMOW.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
> > </td>
> > 
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA = new
> > Object;objAUWA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUWA.color =
> > "6495ED";objAUWA.wtsid = "AU-WA";objAUWA.width = 100;objAUWA.height =
> > 100;objAUWA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUWA);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objAUACT = new Object;objAUACT.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUACT.color =
> > "6495ED";objAUACT.wtsid = "AU-ACT";objAUACT.width = 100;objAUACT.height =
> > 100;objAUACT.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
> > </td>
> > </tr>
> > 
> > <tr>
> > <td align="center"><h4>California</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>New York</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>London</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>Moscow</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>Perth</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>Canbera</h4></td>
> > </tr>
> > 
> > <tr>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objUSCA=new
> > Object;objUSCA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSCA.color="FFFF00";objUSCA.wts
> > id="US-CA";objUSCA.width=100;objUSCA.height=100;objUSCA.wmode="transparent";
> > showClock(objUSCA);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objUSNY=new
> > Object;objUSNY.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSNY.color="FFFF00";objUSNY.wts
> > id="US-NY";objUSNY.width=100;objUSNY.height=100;objUSNY.wmode="transparent";
> > showClock(objUSNY);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objGB=new
> > Object;objGB.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objGB.color="FFFF00";objGB.wtsid="GB
> > ";objGB.width=100;objGB.height=100;objGB.wmode="transparent";showClock(objGB
> > );</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objRUMOW=new
> > Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objRUMOW.color="FFFF00";objRUMOW.
> > wtsid="RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width=100;objRUMOW.height=100;objRUMOW.wmode="transp
> > arent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA=new
> > Object;objAUWA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUWA.color="FFFF00";objAUWA.wts
> > id="AU-WA";objAUWA.width=100;objAUWA.height=100;objAUWA.wmode="transparent";
> > showClock(objAUWA);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUACT=new
> > Object;objAUACT.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUACT.color="FFFF00";objAUACT.
> > wtsid="AU-ACT";objAUACT.width=100;objAUACT.height=100;objAUACT.wmode="transp
> > arent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
> > </td>
> > </tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Outlook
> > Mail</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Inbox Total Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyInboxCt"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Inbox Unread Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyInboxUnreadCt"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Operating
> > System</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "OSVersion"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Service
> > Pack</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "OSServicePack"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Computer
> > Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyComputerType"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Physical No. of
> > Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyProcessorsPhysical"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Logical No. of
> > Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyProcessorsLogical"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Architecture
> > Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyArchitecture"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">HyperThreading
> > Architecture</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyHyperThreading"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Total Physical
> > Memory</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyMemory"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">System Rating
> > Scores:-</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Processor</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyProcessorScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Memory</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyMemoryScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Primary Hard Disk</span></td><td align="left"><p><span
> > id = "MyDiskScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Graphics</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyGraphicsScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Gaming Graphic</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id
> > = "MyD3DScore"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running Applications:-</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningApps"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <!-- What Processes Are Running-->
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running Processes:-</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningProcesses"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > </body>
> > 
> > <script language="VBScript">
> >     sub window_onLoad
> > 	<!-- Update Outlook mail count every 30 seconds -->
> > 	<!--   GetMemory -->
> >    <!--    iTimerID = window.setInterval("GetOutlookInBox", 30000) -->
> > 	  getMyName
> > 	  GetRunningApps
> > 	  GetOSVersion
> > 	  GetOSServicePack
> > 	  GetSystem
> > 	  GetProcesses
> > 	  GetComputerType
> > 	  GetProcessors
> > 	  GetArchitecture
> >       GetOutlookInBox
> >     end sub
> > 
> > 	sub GetSystem
> > 	<!-- Vista Only -->
> > 	strComputer = "."
> >     Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >     Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * From Win32_WinSAT")
> >     
> >     For Each objItem in colItems
> >         MyProcessorScore.InnerHTML = objItem.CPUScore
> >         MyMemoryScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.MemoryScore 
> >         MyDiskScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.DiskScore
> >         MyGraphicsScore.InnerHTML=  objItem.GraphicsScore
> >         MyD3DScore.InnerHTML = objItem.D3DScore
> >         <!-- strHTML = strHTML &  "Windows System Performance Rating: " &
> > objItem.WinCRSLevel & "<br>" -->
> >     Next
> > 	end sub
> > 
> >     Sub GetOSVersion
> > 	       strComputer = "."
> >            Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >            Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >                ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
> >            For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
> >             	OSVersion.InnerHTML=objOperatingSystem.Caption & " " &
> > objOperatingSystem.Version
> >            Next
> >     End Sub
> > 
> >     sub GetOSServicePack
> > 	strComputer = "."
> > 	Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> > 	Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> > 	    ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
> > 	For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
> > 	    OSServicePack.InnerHTML ="(Major.Minor) " &
> > objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMajorVersion & "." &
> > objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMinorVersion
> > 	Next
> >     end sub
> > 
> > 	sub GetComputerType
> > 	strComputer = "." 
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2") 
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_ComputerSystem") 
> >       
> >       Select Case colItems.ItemIndex(0).PCSystemType
> >           Case 0
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Unspecified"
> >           Case 1
> >              MyComputerType.InnerHTML="Desktop"
> >           Case 2
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Mobile"
> >           Case 3
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Workstation"
> >           Case 4
> >               MyComputerTyp.InnerHTMLe= "Enterprise Server"
> >           Case 5
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "SOHO Server"
> >           Case 6
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Applicance PC"
> >           Case 7
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Performance Server"
> >           Case 8
> >              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Role Maximum"
> >       End Select
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetProcessors
> >   		strComputer = "." 
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2") 
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_ComputerSystem") 
> >       
> >       intLogical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfLogicalProcessors
> >       intPhysical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfProcessors
> >       
> >       MyProcessorsLogical.InnerHTML= "Logical: " & intLogical
> > 	  MyProcessorsPhysical.InnerHTML= "Physical: " & intPhysical
> >       
> >       If  intLogical > intPhysical Then
> >           MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML= "This is a hyperthreading
> > architecture."
> >       Else
> >           MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML="This is not a hyperthreading
> > architecture."
> >       End If	
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetArchitecture
> > 		strComputer = "." 
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2") 
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_Processor") 
> >       For Each objItem in colItems 
> >           MyArchitecture.InnerHTML= "Architecture: " & objItem.Architecture
> >           Select Case objItem.Architecture
> >               Case 0
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> > (x86)"
> >               Case 1
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> > (MIPS)"
> >               Case 2
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> > (Alpha)"
> >               Case 3
> >                   MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> > (PowerPC)"
> >               Case 6
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> > (Intel Itanium Processor Family [IPF])"
> >               Case 9
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> > (x64)"
> >           End Select         
> >       Next
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetOutlookInBox
> > 	Const olFolderInbox = 6
> > 		  strComputer = "."
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >           ("Select * From Win32_Process Where Name = 'outlook.exe'") 
> >       If colItems.Count = 0 Then
> >           Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> >           Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> >           objNamespace.Logon "Default Outlook Profile",, False, True    
> >           Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
> >           objFolder.Display
> >           Set colItems = objFolder.Items
> > 		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
> > 		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML=objFolder.UnreadItemCount
> >       Else
> >           Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> >           Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> >           Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
> >           Set colItems = objFolder.Items
> > 		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
> > 		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML= objFolder.UnreadItemCount
> >       End If
> > 	end sub
> > 
> > 	sub GetRunningApps
> > 	  strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "
> > & _
> >           "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
> > 	  Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
> >       Set colTasks = objWord.Tasks      
> >       For Each objTask in colTasks
> >           If objTask.Visible Then
> > 		     strHTML = strHTML & "<tr><td>" & objTask.Name &
> > "</td></tr>"
> >           End If
> >       Next      
> >       objWord.Quit
> >       strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
> > 	  MyRunningApps.InnerHTML=strHTML
> >     end sub
> > 	
> >     Sub GetProcesses
> >   	strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "  &
> > _
> >           "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
> > 	  strHTML=strHTML & "<tr><td>Processes</td><td>Process ID</td></tr>"
> >        strComputer = "."
> >        Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >        Set colProcesses = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
> > Win32_Process")  
> >        For Each objProcess in colProcesses
> >           strHTML = strHTML & "<tr>"
> >           strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.Name & "</td>"
> >           strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.ProcessID & _
> >               "</td>"
> >        Next  
> >       strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
> >       MyRunningProcesses.InnerHTML = strHTML
> >     End Sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetMemory	
> >   	strComputer = "atl-dc-01" 
> >       Set wbemServices = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer) 
> >       Set wbemObjectSet =
> > wbemServices.InstancesOf("Win32_LogicalMemoryConfiguration") 
> >       For Each wbemObject In wbemObjectSet 
> >           MyMemory.InnerHTML= wbemObject.TotalPhysicalMemory 
> >       Next 
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetMyName
> > 		strHTML=""
> >       	strComputer = "."
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >       Set colComputers = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >           ("Select * from Win32_ComputerSystem")
> >       For Each objComputer in colComputers
> >           strHTML=  objComputer.Name
> >       Next	  
> > 	  strComputer = "."
> >         Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >         Set IPConfigSet = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >             ("Select IPAddress from Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration Where
> > IPEnabled=TRUE")
> >         For Each IPConfig in IPConfigSet
> >             If Not IsNull(IPConfig.IPAddress) Then
> >                 For Each strAddress in IPConfig.IPAddress
> >                     strHMTL = strHTML & " IP Address: " & strAddress
> >                 Next
> >             End If
> >         Next
> > 		MyName.InnerHTML = strHTML
> >     end sub
> > </script>
> > 
> > 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 16:05:49 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:05:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <F8DD1C4E193A4BD7B24B8E95286F6337@danwaters>
References: <465380FEA47C4036AC5767D9886AAD82@danwaters>	<4a75e4e2.0707d00a.6da4.7f7b@mx.google.com><3D81E6992882456F85DAC2BCDDCEA1B8@danwaters>	<4a75eeb0.0a1ad00a.6d7e.09c5@mx.google.com>
	<F8DD1C4E193A4BD7B24B8E95286F6337@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4a75ffce.1818d00a.18f8.3fc2@mx.google.com>

Got it.  Very interesting and the conversation from one of the links here:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1159394/data-macros-in-access2010-trigger
s

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 02 August 2009 21:38
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

Sorry - what I meant was to click on the page itself, then push Ctrl+F to
find a word on the page.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:53 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

I got the site ok, all about the new macros, but when I keyed in TRIGGERS
into the page search it came up with one hit which was about hyperlinks.
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 02 August 2009 20:48
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

Check to see if you're entering the entire URL.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

I got something about hyperlinks - is that what you meant?
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 02 August 2009 19:45
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010

Interesting!

(To find this quickly, do a search for 'Trigger' on the web page.)

http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/07/28/meet-the-access-2010-macro-d
esigner.aspx

Dan


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug  2 16:17:59 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:17:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A760287.8020709@colbyconsulting.com>

Duh!  I'll go clean it up.

Thanks.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> A lot of line breaks were inserted by the mailing.
> 
> Quite a few of these were in points which break the code (inside strings for example).
> You need to do a fair bit of tidying up  to get it all working.  
> 
> Even then, I get one error "can't create object" on "Set objWord = 
> CreateObject("Word.Application")".
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 16:22:01 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:22:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com>

I will send it off-line to you Stuart.  (you are up early?) If any body
wants a copy, let me know.
It is also handy to quickly see what OS, updates etc you have on your
machine when answering questions from people.

A reminder that is was written for Vista so some code may not work on other
platforms.

Just d/click to run it and let it sit at the bottom of the screen, just a
click away.

This is my first stab and I will try to improve on it.

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 16:23:58 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:23:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4A760287.8020709@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A760287.8020709@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a76040f.0506d00a.759d.fffff3e1@mx.google.com>

John,
I sent it off line to you
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 02 August 2009 22:18
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop

Duh!  I'll go clean it up.

Thanks.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> A lot of line breaks were inserted by the mailing.
> 
> Quite a few of these were in points which break the code (inside strings
for example).
> You need to do a fair bit of tidying up  to get it all working.  
> 
> Even then, I get one error "can't create object" on "Set objWord = 
> CreateObject("Word.Application")".
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug  2 16:31:37 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:31:37 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Table Triggers in Access 2010
In-Reply-To: <4a75ffce.1818d00a.18f8.3fc2@mx.google.com>
References: <465380FEA47C4036AC5767D9886AAD82@danwaters>,
	<F8DD1C4E193A4BD7B24B8E95286F6337@danwaters>,
	<4a75ffce.1818d00a.18f8.3fc2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7605B9.20239.3890AA6A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That sort of confirms the answer to the  question I posed  about two weeks ago when I first 
heard of this. ("Worth upgrading for?")

Looks like the answer is "Yes".   Guess I will put up with the Ribbon in exchange for this.

-- 
Stuart



On 2 Aug 2009 at 22:05, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Got it.  Very interesting and the conversation from one of the links here:
> 
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1159394/data-macros-in-access2010-trigger
> s



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug  2 16:40:28 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 07:40:28 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7607CC.6941.3898C74D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

No need to send a copy.  That won't change the error on Set objWord..

I've just commented out the "GetRunningApps" for now - along with the 'GetOutlookInbox" 
since I don't use Outlook.   I'll try to track down the reason for the error later.  I suspect it is 
something to do with my Registry.

Up at my normal time. - I normally work through the overnight list mail and check out my 
Daily websites over a cup of copy at around 7:00am.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Aug 2009 at 22:22, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> I will send it off-line to you Stuart.  (you are up early?) If any body
> wants a copy, let me know.
> It is also handy to quickly see what OS, updates etc you have on your
> machine when answering questions from people.
> 
> A reminder that is was written for Vista so some code may not work on other
> platforms.
> 
> Just d/click to run it and let it sit at the bottom of the screen, just a
> click away.
> 
> This is my first stab and I will try to improve on it.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Sun Aug  2 16:52:00 2009
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:52:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista
In-Reply-To: <E75615665BD0422BA74BDDCF752E6C23@HAL9005>
References: <E75615665BD0422BA74BDDCF752E6C23@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000a01ca13bb$76d96050$648c20f0$@rr.com>

I don't know about VPC, but VMware workstation 6 supports Vista.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista

Is there some equivalent to VPC 2007 that is compatible with Vista?

TIA

 

Rocky

 





From djkr at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 17:34:04 2009
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:34:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4A7607CC.6941.3898C74D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV133FFFA9970DC9972415B2D20E0@phx.gbl>

Not enough cappeine in your copy?

John
:-)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 02 August 2009 22:40
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop


No need to send a copy.  That won't change the error on Set objWord..

I've just commented out the "GetRunningApps" for now - along with the
'GetOutlookInbox" 
since I don't use Outlook.   I'll try to track down the reason for the error
later.  I suspect it is 
something to do with my Registry.

Up at my normal time. - I normally work through the overnight list mail and
check out my 
Daily websites over a cup of copy at around 7:00am.

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Aug 2009 at 22:22, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> I will send it off-line to you Stuart.  (you are up early?) If any 
> body wants a copy, let me know. It is also handy to quickly see what 
> OS, updates etc you have on your machine when answering questions from 
> people.
> 
> A reminder that is was written for Vista so some code may not work on 
> other platforms.
> 
> Just d/click to run it and let it sit at the bottom of the screen, 
> just a click away.
> 
> This is my first stab and I will try to improve on it.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Sun Aug  2 17:36:30 2009
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:36:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista
In-Reply-To: <E75615665BD0422BA74BDDCF752E6C23@HAL9005>
References: <E75615665BD0422BA74BDDCF752E6C23@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A3B2FC87FFEB47E2ABC7A9EC64E78A2E@murphy3234aaf1>

Rocky,

What do you mean compatible with Vista. I run VMWare on Windows XP and have
a Vista virtual machine on it that I use for product testing.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista

Is there some equivalent to VPC 2007 that is compatible with Vista?

TIA

 

Rocky

 




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 17:39:43 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:39:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista
In-Reply-To: <A3B2FC87FFEB47E2ABC7A9EC64E78A2E@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <E75615665BD0422BA74BDDCF752E6C23@HAL9005>
	<A3B2FC87FFEB47E2ABC7A9EC64E78A2E@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <4a7615d6.1818d00a.18f8.7db6@mx.google.com>

You will have a problem if your Vista is the home edition. VPC won't run on
it.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: 02 August 2009 23:37
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VPC for Vista

Rocky,

What do you mean compatible with Vista. I run VMWare on Windows XP and have
a Vista virtual machine on it that I use for product testing.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista

Is there some equivalent to VPC 2007 that is compatible with Vista?

TIA

 

Rocky

 


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From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Sun Aug  2 18:44:22 2009
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 16:44:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com>	<cda8f54e0907270412h37a0aa5g99c560b3e6460e43@mail.gmail.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E3@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E7@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <712D284FF1F641D78A57F2D558ED952E@BPCS>

Max

Way cool.

I found a bunch of problems because of word wrap I guess, I learned a lot 
about scripting while playing with them. . I also fixed the
total Physical Memory thing. Removed the rem's from the get memory call and 
replaced the code in
get memory with this.


sub GetMemory
    strComputer = "."
     Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & 
"\root\cimv2")
     Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
Win32_ComputerSystem")
     For Each subItem in colItems
        MyMemory.InnerHTML = int((subItem.TotalPhysicalMemory + 1023) 
/1000000000 ) & " GB"
     Next
end sub


I won't tell how much time I spent "learning this"  <grin>  but it was fun 
learning.

Bill




--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 6:02 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop

Hi List:
I had many frustrating times when I was trying to figure out which of you
were awake and which asleep
Anyway, here is a .hta text file to keep open on your desktop.  If your
interested, just copy everything below my name to a text file called
MyDeskop.hta and put in somewhere.  Then d/click it.

Some other PC info as well.  Bit of a hack.

Max

<head>
<title>Access-D Dashboard.      max.wanadoo at gmail.com</title>
<!-- Author Max Sherman 2nd August 2009 - Free to all. -->

<!-- Runs on Vista Machines.
Some code may run on other platforms but not tested.
No guarantees and definitely NO support.
This is a big  hack from the help files.  Once I understand
what I am actually doing, I may be able to improve on it !!
Please report bugs or suggestions to:
max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Many thanks.
Hope you find it useful.
Max -->

<!-- The clocks come from /www.worldtimeserver.com and reflect six time
zones I am interested in across the World to see when my colleagues
on Access-D might be available to help with MS Access problems.

It start on the West coast of N.America across the the E.Coast, then London,

Moscow and ending up in the two sides of Oz.

Add, delete as you wish.

There are 24 hour (military) style clocks - which I prefer - and
normal 12 hour clocks with the DAY shown in the centre.
The showing of the day is very useful because frequently my
colleagues "down-under" are starting a new day when I am ending
the previous one. -->

<HTA:APPLICATION
     APPLICATIONNAME="AccessD-Desktop"
     SCROLL="yes"
     SINGLEINSTANCE="yes"
     WINDOWSTATE="normal">
</head>

<body>
<hr>
<br>
<table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
<tr><td align="left"><font color="#FF0000"><p><span id =
"MyName"></span></font></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">World Local Times - 24hr
Military (with Day) and 12Hr (with AM/PM)</font></b></td></tr>
</table>

<table>
<tr>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objUSCA = new Object;objUSCA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSCA.color =
"6495ED";objUSCA.wtsid = "US-CA";objUSCA.width = 100;objUSCA.height =
100;objUSCA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSCA);</script>
</td>

<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objUSNY = new Object;objUSNY.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSNY.color =
"6495ED";objUSNY.wtsid = "US-NY";objUSNY.width = 100;objUSNY.height =
100;objUSNY.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSNY);</script>
</td>

<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objGB = new Object;objGB.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objGB.color =
"6495ED";objGB.wtsid = "GB";objGB.width = 100;objGB.height = 100;objGB.wmode
= "transparent";showClock(objGB);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type=<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objRUMOW = new Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objRUMOW.color =
"6495ED";objRUMOW.wtsid = "RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width = 100;objRUMOW.height =
100;objRUMOW.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
</td>

<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA = new
Object;objAUWA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUWA.color =
"6495ED";objAUWA.wtsid = "AU-WA";objAUWA.width = 100;objAUWA.height =
100;objAUWA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUWA);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objAUACT = new Object;objAUACT.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUACT.color =
"6495ED";objAUACT.wtsid = "AU-ACT";objAUACT.width = 100;objAUACT.height =
100;objAUACT.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
</td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td align="center"><h4>California</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>New York</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>London</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>Moscow</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>Perth</h4></td>
<td align="center"><h4>Canbera</h4></td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objUSCA=new
Object;objUSCA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSCA.color="FFFF00";objUSCA.wts
id="US-CA";objUSCA.width=100;objUSCA.height=100;objUSCA.wmode="transparent";
showClock(objUSCA);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
objUSNY=new
Object;objUSNY.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSNY.color="FFFF00";objUSNY.wts
id="US-NY";objUSNY.width=100;objUSNY.height=100;objUSNY.wmode="transparent";
showClock(objUSNY);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objGB=new
Object;objGB.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objGB.color="FFFF00";objGB.wtsid="GB
";objGB.width=100;objGB.height=100;objGB.wmode="transparent";showClock(objGB
);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objRUMOW=new
Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objRUMOW.color="FFFF00";objRUMOW.
wtsid="RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width=100;objRUMOW.height=100;objRUMOW.wmode="transp
arent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA=new
Object;objAUWA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUWA.color="FFFF00";objAUWA.wts
id="AU-WA";objAUWA.width=100;objAUWA.height=100;objAUWA.wmode="transparent";
showClock(objAUWA);</script>
</td>
<td align="center">
<script type="text/javascript"
src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUACT=new
Object;objAUACT.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUACT.color="FFFF00";objAUACT.
wtsid="AU-ACT";objAUACT.width=100;objAUACT.height=100;objAUACT.wmode="transp
arent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
</td>
</tr>
</table>
<br>

<hr>
<br>
<table>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Outlook
Mail</font></b></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Inbox Total Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyInboxCt"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Inbox Unread Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyInboxUnreadCt"></span></td></tr>
</table>
<br>

<hr>
<br>
<table>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Operating
System</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"OSVersion"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Service
Pack</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"OSServicePack"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Computer
Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyComputerType"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Physical No. of
Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyProcessorsPhysical"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Logical No. of
Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyProcessorsLogical"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Architecture
Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyArchitecture"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">HyperThreading
Architecture</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyHyperThreading"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Total Physical
Memory</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyMemory"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">System Rating
Scores:-</font></b></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Processor</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyProcessorScore"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Memory</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyMemoryScore"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Primary Hard Disk</span></td><td align="left"><p><span
id = "MyDiskScore"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Graphics</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyGraphicsScore"></span></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left">Gaming Graphic</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id
= "MyD3DScore"></span></td></tr>
</table>
<br>

<hr>
<br>
<table>
<tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running Applications:-</font></b></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningApps"></span></td></tr>
</table>
<br>

<!-- What Processes Are Running-->
<hr>
<br>
<table>
<tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running Processes:-</font></b></td></tr>
<tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningProcesses"></span></td></tr>
</table>
<br>

<hr>
</body>

<script language="VBScript">
    sub window_onLoad
<!-- Update Outlook mail count every 30 seconds -->
<!--   GetMemory -->
   <!--    iTimerID = window.setInterval("GetOutlookInBox", 30000) -->
  getMyName
  GetRunningApps
  GetOSVersion
  GetOSServicePack
  GetSystem
  GetProcesses
  GetComputerType
  GetProcessors
  GetArchitecture
      GetOutlookInBox
    end sub

sub GetSystem
<!-- Vista Only -->
strComputer = "."
    Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
    Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * From Win32_WinSAT")

    For Each objItem in colItems
        MyProcessorScore.InnerHTML = objItem.CPUScore
        MyMemoryScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.MemoryScore
        MyDiskScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.DiskScore
        MyGraphicsScore.InnerHTML=  objItem.GraphicsScore
        MyD3DScore.InnerHTML = objItem.D3DScore
        <!-- strHTML = strHTML &  "Windows System Performance Rating: " &
objItem.WinCRSLevel & "<br>" -->
    Next
end sub

    Sub GetOSVersion
       strComputer = "."
           Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
           Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
               ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
           For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
            OSVersion.InnerHTML=objOperatingSystem.Caption & " " &
objOperatingSystem.Version
           Next
    End Sub

    sub GetOSServicePack
strComputer = "."
Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
    ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
    OSServicePack.InnerHTML ="(Major.Minor) " &
objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMajorVersion & "." &
objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMinorVersion
Next
    end sub

sub GetComputerType
strComputer = "."
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\CIMV2")
      Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_ComputerSystem")

      Select Case colItems.ItemIndex(0).PCSystemType
          Case 0
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Unspecified"
          Case 1
             MyComputerType.InnerHTML="Desktop"
          Case 2
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Mobile"
          Case 3
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Workstation"
          Case 4
              MyComputerTyp.InnerHTMLe= "Enterprise Server"
          Case 5
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "SOHO Server"
          Case 6
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Applicance PC"
          Case 7
              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Performance Server"
          Case 8
             MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Role Maximum"
      End Select
end sub

sub GetProcessors
  strComputer = "."
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\CIMV2")
      Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_ComputerSystem")

      intLogical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfLogicalProcessors
      intPhysical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfProcessors

      MyProcessorsLogical.InnerHTML= "Logical: " & intLogical
  MyProcessorsPhysical.InnerHTML= "Physical: " & intPhysical

      If  intLogical > intPhysical Then
          MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML= "This is a hyperthreading
architecture."
      Else
          MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML="This is not a hyperthreading
architecture."
      End If
end sub

sub GetArchitecture
strComputer = "."
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\CIMV2")
      Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_Processor")
      For Each objItem in colItems
          MyArchitecture.InnerHTML= "Architecture: " & objItem.Architecture
          Select Case objItem.Architecture
              Case 0
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
(x86)"
              Case 1
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
(MIPS)"
              Case 2
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
(Alpha)"
              Case 3
                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
(PowerPC)"
              Case 6
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
(Intel Itanium Processor Family [IPF])"
              Case 9
                 MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
(x64)"
          End Select
      Next
end sub

sub GetOutlookInBox
Const olFolderInbox = 6
  strComputer = "."
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
      Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
          ("Select * From Win32_Process Where Name = 'outlook.exe'")
      If colItems.Count = 0 Then
          Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
          Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
          objNamespace.Logon "Default Outlook Profile",, False, True
          Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
          objFolder.Display
          Set colItems = objFolder.Items
  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML=objFolder.UnreadItemCount
      Else
          Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
          Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
          Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
          Set colItems = objFolder.Items
  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML= objFolder.UnreadItemCount
      End If
end sub

sub GetRunningApps
  strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "
& _
          "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
  Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
      Set colTasks = objWord.Tasks
      For Each objTask in colTasks
          If objTask.Visible Then
     strHTML = strHTML & "<tr><td>" & objTask.Name &
"</td></tr>"
          End If
      Next
      objWord.Quit
      strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
  MyRunningApps.InnerHTML=strHTML
    end sub

    Sub GetProcesses
  strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "  &
_
          "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
  strHTML=strHTML & "<tr><td>Processes</td><td>Process ID</td></tr>"
       strComputer = "."
       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
       Set colProcesses = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
Win32_Process")
       For Each objProcess in colProcesses
          strHTML = strHTML & "<tr>"
          strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.Name & "</td>"
          strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.ProcessID & _
              "</td>"
       Next
      strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
      MyRunningProcesses.InnerHTML = strHTML
    End Sub

sub GetMemory
  strComputer = "atl-dc-01"
      Set wbemServices = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer)
      Set wbemObjectSet =
wbemServices.InstancesOf("Win32_LogicalMemoryConfiguration")
      For Each wbemObject In wbemObjectSet
          MyMemory.InnerHTML= wbemObject.TotalPhysicalMemory
      Next
end sub

sub GetMyName
strHTML=""
      strComputer = "."
      Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
      Set colComputers = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
          ("Select * from Win32_ComputerSystem")
      For Each objComputer in colComputers
          strHTML=  objComputer.Name
      Next
  strComputer = "."
        Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
        Set IPConfigSet = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
            ("Select IPAddress from Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration Where
IPEnabled=TRUE")
        For Each IPConfig in IPConfigSet
            If Not IsNull(IPConfig.IPAddress) Then
                For Each strAddress in IPConfig.IPAddress
                    strHMTL = strHTML & " IP Address: " & strAddress
                Next
            End If
        Next
MyName.InnerHTML = strHTML
    end sub
</script>


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Sun Aug  2 22:40:18 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:40:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>

Max

...Have you tried BgInfo from SysInternals? ...it does all of this and a lot 
more without any load on the system and works with W95 up ...I use it on 
every client system including servers.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 5:22 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> I will send it off-line to you Stuart.  (you are up early?) If any body
> wants a copy, let me know.
> It is also handy to quickly see what OS, updates etc you have on your
> machine when answering questions from people.
>
> A reminder that is was written for Vista so some code may not work on 
> other
> platforms.
>
> Just d/click to run it and let it sit at the bottom of the screen, just a
> click away.
>
> This is my first stab and I will try to improve on it.
>
> Max
>
>
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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Sun Aug  2 23:37:06 2009
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:37:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
In-Reply-To: <170BB605A7A24C2E9BE8C3D1362408C9@MINSTER>
References: <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com>
	<170BB605A7A24C2E9BE8C3D1362408C9@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <00d501ca13f4$1063bbc0$131b910a@denzilnote>

Nothing to look forward to

Sheila's my sister - She's got a face like a hundred yards of bad road

<snigger>



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, 01 August 2009 12:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...

Looking forward to Darren's response

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 31 July 2009 14:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...


Hi Andy,

Well, just make sure you don't say ANYTHING to upset the  Aussies....here's
why..

Hiya OZ - (Waving my hand)  Love you guys (waving both hands)

Read it s.l.o.w.l.y.  to enjoy it.

Max





Life in the Australian Army...

Text of a letter from a kid from Eromanga to Mum and Dad. (For Those of you
not in the know, Eromanga is a small town, west of Quilpie in the far south
west of Queensland ) 

Dear Mum & Dad

I am well. Hope youse are too. Tell me big brothers Doug and Phil that the
Army is better than workin' on the station - tell them to get in bloody
quick smart before the jobs are all gone! I wuz a bit slow in settling down
at first, because ya don't hafta get outta bed until 6am. But I like
sleeping in now, cuz all ya gotta do before brekky is make ya bed and shine
ya boots and clean ya uniform. No bloody horses to get in, no calves to
feed, no troughs to clean - nothin'!! Ya haz gotta shower though, but its
not so bad, coz there's lotsa hot water and even a light to see what ya
doing! 

At brekky ya get cereal, fruit and eggs but there's no kangaroo steaks or
goanna stew like wot Mum makes. You don't get fed again until noon and by
that time all the city boys are buggered because we've been on a 'route
march' - geez its only just like walking to the windmill in the bullock
paddock!! 

This one will kill me brothers Doug and Phil with laughter. I keep getting
medals for shootin' - dunno why. The bullseye is as big as a bloody dingo's
arse and it don't move and it's not firing back at ya like the Johnsons did
when our big scrubber bull got into their prize cows before the Ekka last
year! All ya gotta do is make yourself comfortable and hit the target - it's
a piece of piss!! You don't even load your own cartridges, they comes in
little boxes, and ya don't have to steady yourself against the rollbar of
the roo shooting truck when you reload! 

Sometimes ya gotta wrestle with the city boys and I gotta be real careful
coz they break easy - it's not like fighting with Doug and Phil and Jack and
Boori and Steve and Muzza all at once like we do at home after the muster.
Turns out I'm not a bad boxer either and it looks like I'm the best the
platoon's got, and I've only been beaten by this one bloke from the
Engineers - he's 6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across the
shoulders and as ya know I'm only 5 foot 7 and eight stone wringin' wet, but
I fought him till the other blokes carried me off to the boozer. 

I can't complain about the Army - tell the boys to get in quick before word
gets around how bloody good it is.


Your loving daughter

Sheila 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: 31 July 2009 14:16
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm

ROTFL

Good to see Friday Humour back.

Andy


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From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Mon Aug  3 00:05:57 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:05:57 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
In-Reply-To: <00d501ca13f4$1063bbc0$131b910a@denzilnote>
References: <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com>
	<170BB605A7A24C2E9BE8C3D1362408C9@MINSTER>
	<00d501ca13f4$1063bbc0$131b910a@denzilnote>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC58@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

heh... I might mention that you said that next time I see her down the pub ;)



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 2:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...

Nothing to look forward to

Sheila's my sister - She's got a face like a hundred yards of bad road

<snigger>



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Saturday, 01 August 2009 12:31 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...

Looking forward to Darren's response

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 31 July 2009 14:32
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...


Hi Andy,

Well, just make sure you don't say ANYTHING to upset the  Aussies....here's
why..

Hiya OZ - (Waving my hand)  Love you guys (waving both hands)

Read it s.l.o.w.l.y.  to enjoy it.

Max





Life in the Australian Army...

Text of a letter from a kid from Eromanga to Mum and Dad. (For Those of you
not in the know, Eromanga is a small town, west of Quilpie in the far south
west of Queensland ) 

Dear Mum & Dad

I am well. Hope youse are too. Tell me big brothers Doug and Phil that the
Army is better than workin' on the station - tell them to get in bloody
quick smart before the jobs are all gone! I wuz a bit slow in settling down
at first, because ya don't hafta get outta bed until 6am. But I like
sleeping in now, cuz all ya gotta do before brekky is make ya bed and shine
ya boots and clean ya uniform. No bloody horses to get in, no calves to
feed, no troughs to clean - nothin'!! Ya haz gotta shower though, but its
not so bad, coz there's lotsa hot water and even a light to see what ya
doing! 

At brekky ya get cereal, fruit and eggs but there's no kangaroo steaks or
goanna stew like wot Mum makes. You don't get fed again until noon and by
that time all the city boys are buggered because we've been on a 'route
march' - geez its only just like walking to the windmill in the bullock
paddock!! 

This one will kill me brothers Doug and Phil with laughter. I keep getting
medals for shootin' - dunno why. The bullseye is as big as a bloody dingo's
arse and it don't move and it's not firing back at ya like the Johnsons did
when our big scrubber bull got into their prize cows before the Ekka last
year! All ya gotta do is make yourself comfortable and hit the target - it's
a piece of piss!! You don't even load your own cartridges, they comes in
little boxes, and ya don't have to steady yourself against the rollbar of
the roo shooting truck when you reload! 

Sometimes ya gotta wrestle with the city boys and I gotta be real careful
coz they break easy - it's not like fighting with Doug and Phil and Jack and
Boori and Steve and Muzza all at once like we do at home after the muster.
Turns out I'm not a bad boxer either and it looks like I'm the best the
platoon's got, and I've only been beaten by this one bloke from the
Engineers - he's 6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across the
shoulders and as ya know I'm only 5 foot 7 and eight stone wringin' wet, but
I fought him till the other blokes carried me off to the boozer. 

I can't complain about the Army - tell the boys to get in quick before word
gets around how bloody good it is.


Your loving daughter

Sheila 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: 31 July 2009 14:16
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm

ROTFL

Good to see Friday Humour back.

Andy


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug  3 00:15:20 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:15:20 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC58@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
References: <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com>,
	<00d501ca13f4$1063bbc0$131b910a@denzilnote>,
	<57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC58@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
Message-ID: <4A767268.283.3A39394A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Do that and you'd better be "6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across
the shoulders " too :-)


On 3 Aug 2009 at 15:05, Darryl Collins wrote:

> heh... I might mention that you said that next time I see her down the pub ;)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
> Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 2:37 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
> 
> Nothing to look forward to
> 
> Sheila's my sister - She's got a face like a hundred yards of bad road
> 
> <snigger>
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Saturday, 01 August 2009 12:31 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
> 
> Looking forward to Darren's response
> 
> Andy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: 31 July 2009 14:32
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Well, just make sure you don't say ANYTHING to upset the  Aussies....here's
> why..
> 
> Hiya OZ - (Waving my hand)  Love you guys (waving both hands)
> 
> Read it s.l.o.w.l.y.  to enjoy it.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Life in the Australian Army...
> 
> Text of a letter from a kid from Eromanga to Mum and Dad. (For Those of you
> not in the know, Eromanga is a small town, west of Quilpie in the far south
> west of Queensland ) 
> 
> Dear Mum & Dad
> 
> I am well. Hope youse are too. Tell me big brothers Doug and Phil that the
> Army is better than workin' on the station - tell them to get in bloody
> quick smart before the jobs are all gone! I wuz a bit slow in settling down
> at first, because ya don't hafta get outta bed until 6am. But I like
> sleeping in now, cuz all ya gotta do before brekky is make ya bed and shine
> ya boots and clean ya uniform. No bloody horses to get in, no calves to
> feed, no troughs to clean - nothin'!! Ya haz gotta shower though, but its
> not so bad, coz there's lotsa hot water and even a light to see what ya
> doing! 
> 
> At brekky ya get cereal, fruit and eggs but there's no kangaroo steaks or
> goanna stew like wot Mum makes. You don't get fed again until noon and by
> that time all the city boys are buggered because we've been on a 'route
> march' - geez its only just like walking to the windmill in the bullock
> paddock!! 
> 
> This one will kill me brothers Doug and Phil with laughter. I keep getting
> medals for shootin' - dunno why. The bullseye is as big as a bloody dingo's
> arse and it don't move and it's not firing back at ya like the Johnsons did
> when our big scrubber bull got into their prize cows before the Ekka last
> year! All ya gotta do is make yourself comfortable and hit the target - it's
> a piece of piss!! You don't even load your own cartridges, they comes in
> little boxes, and ya don't have to steady yourself against the rollbar of
> the roo shooting truck when you reload! 
> 
> Sometimes ya gotta wrestle with the city boys and I gotta be real careful
> coz they break easy - it's not like fighting with Doug and Phil and Jack and
> Boori and Steve and Muzza all at once like we do at home after the muster.
> Turns out I'm not a bad boxer either and it looks like I'm the best the
> platoon's got, and I've only been beaten by this one bloke from the
> Engineers - he's 6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across the
> shoulders and as ya know I'm only 5 foot 7 and eight stone wringin' wet, but
> I fought him till the other blokes carried me off to the boozer. 
> 
> I can't complain about the Army - tell the boys to get in quick before word
> gets around how bloody good it is.
> 
> 
> Your loving daughter
> 
> Sheila 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 31 July 2009 14:16
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm
> 
> ROTFL
> 
> Good to see Friday Humour back.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Aug  3 00:26:57 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:26:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista
In-Reply-To: <A3B2FC87FFEB47E2ABC7A9EC64E78A2E@murphy3234aaf1>
References: <E75615665BD0422BA74BDDCF752E6C23@HAL9005>
	<A3B2FC87FFEB47E2ABC7A9EC64E78A2E@murphy3234aaf1>
Message-ID: <B2ABDF9788FC44AFA988A3A6BA8BF9C9@HAL9005>

I'm looking for virtual machine software that will run on a Vista machine -
Vista as the host OS.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VPC for Vista

Rocky,

What do you mean compatible with Vista. I run VMWare on Windows XP and have
a Vista virtual machine on it that I use for product testing.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista

Is there some equivalent to VPC 2007 that is compatible with Vista?

TIA

 

Rocky

 


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From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Mon Aug  3 00:47:52 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:47:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
In-Reply-To: <4A767268.283.3A39394A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4a72f2dd.0a04d00a.0615.fffffcb2@mx.google.com>,
	<00d501ca13f4$1063bbc0$131b910a@denzilnote>,
	<57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC58@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
	<4A767268.283.3A39394A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200A125ADC5A@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

hehehehe, my natural charm and sense of humour has made me an excellent sprinter... that is all I will say :)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 3:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...

Do that and you'd better be "6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across
the shoulders " too :-)


On 3 Aug 2009 at 15:05, Darryl Collins wrote:

> heh... I might mention that you said that next time I see her down the pub ;)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
> Sent: Monday, 3 August 2009 2:37 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
> 
> Nothing to look forward to
> 
> Sheila's my sister - She's got a face like a hundred yards of bad road
> 
> <snigger>
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Saturday, 01 August 2009 12:31 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
> 
> Looking forward to Darren's response
> 
> Andy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: 31 July 2009 14:32
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:Life in the Australian Army...
> 
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Well, just make sure you don't say ANYTHING to upset the  Aussies....here's
> why..
> 
> Hiya OZ - (Waving my hand)  Love you guys (waving both hands)
> 
> Read it s.l.o.w.l.y.  to enjoy it.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Life in the Australian Army...
> 
> Text of a letter from a kid from Eromanga to Mum and Dad. (For Those of you
> not in the know, Eromanga is a small town, west of Quilpie in the far south
> west of Queensland ) 
> 
> Dear Mum & Dad
> 
> I am well. Hope youse are too. Tell me big brothers Doug and Phil that the
> Army is better than workin' on the station - tell them to get in bloody
> quick smart before the jobs are all gone! I wuz a bit slow in settling down
> at first, because ya don't hafta get outta bed until 6am. But I like
> sleeping in now, cuz all ya gotta do before brekky is make ya bed and shine
> ya boots and clean ya uniform. No bloody horses to get in, no calves to
> feed, no troughs to clean - nothin'!! Ya haz gotta shower though, but its
> not so bad, coz there's lotsa hot water and even a light to see what ya
> doing! 
> 
> At brekky ya get cereal, fruit and eggs but there's no kangaroo steaks or
> goanna stew like wot Mum makes. You don't get fed again until noon and by
> that time all the city boys are buggered because we've been on a 'route
> march' - geez its only just like walking to the windmill in the bullock
> paddock!! 
> 
> This one will kill me brothers Doug and Phil with laughter. I keep getting
> medals for shootin' - dunno why. The bullseye is as big as a bloody dingo's
> arse and it don't move and it's not firing back at ya like the Johnsons did
> when our big scrubber bull got into their prize cows before the Ekka last
> year! All ya gotta do is make yourself comfortable and hit the target - it's
> a piece of piss!! You don't even load your own cartridges, they comes in
> little boxes, and ya don't have to steady yourself against the rollbar of
> the roo shooting truck when you reload! 
> 
> Sometimes ya gotta wrestle with the city boys and I gotta be real careful
> coz they break easy - it's not like fighting with Doug and Phil and Jack and
> Boori and Steve and Muzza all at once like we do at home after the muster.
> Turns out I'm not a bad boxer either and it looks like I'm the best the
> platoon's got, and I've only been beaten by this one bloke from the
> Engineers - he's 6 foot 5 and 15 stone and three pick handles across the
> shoulders and as ya know I'm only 5 foot 7 and eight stone wringin' wet, but
> I fought him till the other blokes carried me off to the boozer. 
> 
> I can't complain about the Army - tell the boys to get in quick before word
> gets around how bloody good it is.
> 
> 
> Your loving daughter
> 
> Sheila 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: 31 July 2009 14:16
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday:mmm
> 
> ROTFL
> 
> Good to see Friday Humour back.
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 01:36:48 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:36:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com>
	<2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com>

William:

No, BGInfo is no good for what I wanted - not only does it take a.g.e.s. to
run when booting but I wanted SIX clocks showing time zones across the world
- as defined by me.

I wanted it on screen permanently, just minimised/maximised onto the tool
bar immediately to hand at a click of the button.

Whilst I was doing that, I thought why not show some BARE essentials that
people ask me, ie. What OS version are you using, what updates do you have,
processors etc.  IOW, the bits that I want and nothing more and nothing
less.  The answer was a mixture of HTML and Script Basic which I can add too
or delete from at will.  

If I wanted it updated, (eg, emails) and can put it in a clock-loop but
otherwise, it just runs the once when loading - you can then disconnect from
the net and the clocks will continue to show the correct "Local" time zones
as set up by me.  Connection to/from the net is a simple click on my mobile
connection button and takes circa 5 seconds to re-connect.

BGInfo shows some of what I want but not all, and it shows a ton of stuff I
don't want and takes ages to get it too.  It has its place and I like it,
but it didn't answer MY requirements in this case.

My Desktop.hta does what I need - I was only sharing with you guys in case
anybody out there might find a use for it.

Thanks anyway for the heads up

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 03 August 2009 04:40
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop

Max

...Have you tried BgInfo from SysInternals? ...it does all of this and a lot

more without any load on the system and works with W95 up ...I use it on 
every client system including servers.

William




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 16:09:14 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:09:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a76009b.0508d00a.6a29.08fb@mx.google.com>

I will send it off-line to you Stuart.  (you are up early?)
If any body wants a copy, let me know.
It is also handy to quickly see what OS, updates etc you have on your
machine when answering questions from people.

A reminder that is was written for Vista so some code may not work on other
platforms.

Just d/click to run it and let it sit at the bottom of the screen, just a
click away.

This is my first stab and I will try to improve on it.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 02 August 2009 21:59
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop

A lot of line breaks were inserted by the mailing.

Quite a few of these were in points which break the code (inside strings for
example).
You need to do a fair bit of tidying up  to get it all working.  

Even then, I get one error "can't create object" on "Set objWord = 
CreateObject("Word.Application")".

-- 
Stuart

On 2 Aug 2009 at 13:43, jwcolby wrote:

> I get an "unterminated string" error message.  Several in fact.  It
eventually does open, and 
> displays a bunch of clocks, and then hardware info lines with no info.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
> > Hi List:
> > I had many frustrating times when I was trying to figure out which of
you
> > were awake and which asleep
> > Anyway, here is a .hta text file to keep open on your desktop.  If your
> > interested, just copy everything below my name to a text file called
> > MyDeskop.hta and put in somewhere.  Then d/click it.
> > 
> > Some other PC info as well.  Bit of a hack.
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > <head>
> > <title>Access-D Dashboard.      max.wanadoo at gmail.com</title>
> > <!-- Author Max Sherman 2nd August 2009 - Free to all. -->
> > 
> > <!-- Runs on Vista Machines.
> > Some code may run on other platforms but not tested.
> > No guarantees and definitely NO support.
> > This is a big  hack from the help files.  Once I understand
> > what I am actually doing, I may be able to improve on it !!
> > Please report bugs or suggestions to:
> > max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> > Many thanks.
> > Hope you find it useful.
> > Max -->
> > 
> > <!-- The clocks come from /www.worldtimeserver.com and reflect six time 
> > zones I am interested in across the World to see when my colleagues 
> > on Access-D might be available to help with MS Access problems.
> > 
> > It start on the West coast of N.America across the the E.Coast, then
London,
> > 
> > Moscow and ending up in the two sides of Oz.
> > 
> > Add, delete as you wish.
> > 
> > There are 24 hour (military) style clocks - which I prefer - and 
> > normal 12 hour clocks with the DAY shown in the centre.
> > The showing of the day is very useful because frequently my 
> > colleagues "down-under" are starting a new day when I am ending 
> > the previous one. -->
> > 
> > <HTA:APPLICATION 
> >      APPLICATIONNAME="AccessD-Desktop"
> >      SCROLL="yes"
> >      SINGLEINSTANCE="yes"
> >      WINDOWSTATE="normal">
> > </head>
> > 
> > <body>
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0">
> > <tr><td align="left"><font color="#FF0000"><p><span id =
> > "MyName"></span></font></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">World Local Times - 24hr
> > Military (with Day) and 12Hr (with AM/PM)</font></b></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > 
> > <table>
> > <tr>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objUSCA = new Object;objUSCA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSCA.color
=
> > "6495ED";objUSCA.wtsid = "US-CA";objUSCA.width = 100;objUSCA.height =
> > 100;objUSCA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSCA);</script>
> > </td>
> > 
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objUSNY = new Object;objUSNY.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSNY.color
=
> > "6495ED";objUSNY.wtsid = "US-NY";objUSNY.width = 100;objUSNY.height =
> > 100;objUSNY.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSNY);</script>
> > </td>
> > 
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objGB = new Object;objGB.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objGB.color =
> > "6495ED";objGB.wtsid = "GB";objGB.width = 100;objGB.height =
100;objGB.wmode
> > = "transparent";showClock(objGB);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type=<script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objRUMOW = new Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock =
"wtsclock024.swf";objRUMOW.color =
> > "6495ED";objRUMOW.wtsid = "RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width = 100;objRUMOW.height
=
> > 100;objRUMOW.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
> > </td>
> > 
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA = new
> > Object;objAUWA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUWA.color =
> > "6495ED";objAUWA.wtsid = "AU-WA";objAUWA.width = 100;objAUWA.height =
> > 100;objAUWA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUWA);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objAUACT = new Object;objAUACT.wtsclock =
"wtsclock024.swf";objAUACT.color =
> > "6495ED";objAUACT.wtsid = "AU-ACT";objAUACT.width = 100;objAUACT.height
=
> > 100;objAUACT.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
> > </td>
> > </tr>
> > 
> > <tr>
> > <td align="center"><h4>California</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>New York</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>London</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>Moscow</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>Perth</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>Canbera</h4></td>
> > </tr>
> > 
> > <tr>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objUSCA=new
> >
Object;objUSCA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSCA.color="FFFF00";objUSCA.wts
> >
id="US-CA";objUSCA.width=100;objUSCA.height=100;objUSCA.wmode="transparent";
> > showClock(objUSCA);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
> > objUSNY=new
> >
Object;objUSNY.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSNY.color="FFFF00";objUSNY.wts
> >
id="US-NY";objUSNY.width=100;objUSNY.height=100;objUSNY.wmode="transparent";
> > showClock(objUSNY);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objGB=new
> >
Object;objGB.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objGB.color="FFFF00";objGB.wtsid="GB
> >
";objGB.width=100;objGB.height=100;objGB.wmode="transparent";showClock(objGB
> > );</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objRUMOW=new
> >
Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objRUMOW.color="FFFF00";objRUMOW.
> >
wtsid="RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width=100;objRUMOW.height=100;objRUMOW.wmode="transp
> > arent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA=new
> >
Object;objAUWA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUWA.color="FFFF00";objAUWA.wts
> >
id="AU-WA";objAUWA.width=100;objAUWA.height=100;objAUWA.wmode="transparent";
> > showClock(objAUWA);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUACT=new
> >
Object;objAUACT.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUACT.color="FFFF00";objAUACT.
> >
wtsid="AU-ACT";objAUACT.width=100;objAUACT.height=100;objAUACT.wmode="transp
> > arent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
> > </td>
> > </tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Outlook
> > Mail</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Inbox Total Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span
id =
> > "MyInboxCt"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Inbox Unread Items: </td><td align="left"><p><span
id =
> > "MyInboxUnreadCt"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Operating
> > System</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "OSVersion"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Service
> > Pack</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "OSServicePack"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Computer
> > Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyComputerType"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Physical No. of
> > Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyProcessorsPhysical"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Logical No. of
> > Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyProcessorsLogical"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Architecture
> > Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyArchitecture"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">HyperThreading
> > Architecture</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyHyperThreading"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Total Physical
> > Memory</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyMemory"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">System Rating
> > Scores:-</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Processor</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyProcessorScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Memory</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyMemoryScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Primary Hard Disk</span></td><td
align="left"><p><span
> > id = "MyDiskScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Graphics</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id =
> > "MyGraphicsScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Gaming Graphic</span></td><td align="left"><p><span
id
> > = "MyD3DScore"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running
Applications:-</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningApps"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <!-- What Processes Are Running-->
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running
Processes:-</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyRunningProcesses"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > </body>
> > 
> > <script language="VBScript">
> >     sub window_onLoad
> > 	<!-- Update Outlook mail count every 30 seconds -->
> > 	<!--   GetMemory -->
> >    <!--    iTimerID = window.setInterval("GetOutlookInBox", 30000) -->
> > 	  getMyName
> > 	  GetRunningApps
> > 	  GetOSVersion
> > 	  GetOSServicePack
> > 	  GetSystem
> > 	  GetProcesses
> > 	  GetComputerType
> > 	  GetProcessors
> > 	  GetArchitecture
> >       GetOutlookInBox
> >     end sub
> > 
> > 	sub GetSystem
> > 	<!-- Vista Only -->
> > 	strComputer = "."
> >     Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >     Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * From Win32_WinSAT")
> >     
> >     For Each objItem in colItems
> >         MyProcessorScore.InnerHTML = objItem.CPUScore
> >         MyMemoryScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.MemoryScore 
> >         MyDiskScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.DiskScore
> >         MyGraphicsScore.InnerHTML=  objItem.GraphicsScore
> >         MyD3DScore.InnerHTML = objItem.D3DScore
> >         <!-- strHTML = strHTML &  "Windows System Performance Rating: "
&
> > objItem.WinCRSLevel & "<br>" -->
> >     Next
> > 	end sub
> > 
> >     Sub GetOSVersion
> > 	       strComputer = "."
> >            Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >            Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >                ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
> >            For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
> >             	OSVersion.InnerHTML=objOperatingSystem.Caption & " "
&
> > objOperatingSystem.Version
> >            Next
> >     End Sub
> > 
> >     sub GetOSServicePack
> > 	strComputer = "."
> > 	Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> > 	Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> > 	    ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
> > 	For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
> > 	    OSServicePack.InnerHTML ="(Major.Minor) " &
> > objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMajorVersion & "." &
> > objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMinorVersion
> > 	Next
> >     end sub
> > 
> > 	sub GetComputerType
> > 	strComputer = "." 
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2") 
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_ComputerSystem") 
> >       
> >       Select Case colItems.ItemIndex(0).PCSystemType
> >           Case 0
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Unspecified"
> >           Case 1
> >              MyComputerType.InnerHTML="Desktop"
> >           Case 2
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Mobile"
> >           Case 3
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Workstation"
> >           Case 4
> >               MyComputerTyp.InnerHTMLe= "Enterprise Server"
> >           Case 5
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "SOHO Server"
> >           Case 6
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Applicance PC"
> >           Case 7
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Performance Server"
> >           Case 8
> >              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Role Maximum"
> >       End Select
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetProcessors
> >   		strComputer = "." 
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2") 
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_ComputerSystem") 
> >       
> >       intLogical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfLogicalProcessors
> >       intPhysical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfProcessors
> >       
> >       MyProcessorsLogical.InnerHTML= "Logical: " & intLogical
> > 	  MyProcessorsPhysical.InnerHTML= "Physical: " & intPhysical
> >       
> >       If  intLogical > intPhysical Then
> >           MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML= "This is a hyperthreading
> > architecture."
> >       Else
> >           MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML="This is not a hyperthreading
> > architecture."
> >       End If	
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetArchitecture
> > 		strComputer = "." 
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2") 
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_Processor") 
> >       For Each objItem in colItems 
> >           MyArchitecture.InnerHTML= "Architecture: " &
objItem.Architecture
> >           Select Case objItem.Architecture
> >               Case 0
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> > (x86)"
> >               Case 1
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> > (MIPS)"
> >               Case 2
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> > (Alpha)"
> >               Case 3
> >                   MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &
"
> > (PowerPC)"
> >               Case 6
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> > (Intel Itanium Processor Family [IPF])"
> >               Case 9
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> > (x64)"
> >           End Select         
> >       Next
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetOutlookInBox
> > 	Const olFolderInbox = 6
> > 		  strComputer = "."
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >           ("Select * From Win32_Process Where Name = 'outlook.exe'") 
> >       If colItems.Count = 0 Then
> >           Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> >           Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> >           objNamespace.Logon "Default Outlook Profile",, False, True    
> >           Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
> >           objFolder.Display
> >           Set colItems = objFolder.Items
> > 		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
> > 		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML=objFolder.UnreadItemCount
> >       Else
> >           Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> >           Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> >           Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
> >           Set colItems = objFolder.Items
> > 		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
> > 		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML= objFolder.UnreadItemCount
> >       End If
> > 	end sub
> > 
> > 	sub GetRunningApps
> > 	  strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "
> > & _
> >           "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
> > 	  Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
> >       Set colTasks = objWord.Tasks      
> >       For Each objTask in colTasks
> >           If objTask.Visible Then
> > 		     strHTML = strHTML & "<tr><td>" & objTask.Name &
> > "</td></tr>"
> >           End If
> >       Next      
> >       objWord.Quit
> >       strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
> > 	  MyRunningApps.InnerHTML=strHTML
> >     end sub
> > 	
> >     Sub GetProcesses
> >   	strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "  &
> > _
> >           "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
> > 	  strHTML=strHTML & "<tr><td>Processes</td><td>Process ID</td></tr>"
> >        strComputer = "."
> >        Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >        Set colProcesses = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
> > Win32_Process")  
> >        For Each objProcess in colProcesses
> >           strHTML = strHTML & "<tr>"
> >           strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.Name &
"</td>"
> >           strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.ProcessID
& _
> >               "</td>"
> >        Next  
> >       strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
> >       MyRunningProcesses.InnerHTML = strHTML
> >     End Sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetMemory	
> >   	strComputer = "atl-dc-01" 
> >       Set wbemServices = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer) 
> >       Set wbemObjectSet =
> > wbemServices.InstancesOf("Win32_LogicalMemoryConfiguration") 
> >       For Each wbemObject In wbemObjectSet 
> >           MyMemory.InnerHTML= wbemObject.TotalPhysicalMemory 
> >       Next 
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetMyName
> > 		strHTML=""
> >       	strComputer = "."
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >       Set colComputers = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >           ("Select * from Win32_ComputerSystem")
> >       For Each objComputer in colComputers
> >           strHTML=  objComputer.Name
> >       Next	  
> > 	  strComputer = "."
> >         Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >         Set IPConfigSet = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >             ("Select IPAddress from Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration
Where
> > IPEnabled=TRUE")
> >         For Each IPConfig in IPConfigSet
> >             If Not IsNull(IPConfig.IPAddress) Then
> >                 For Each strAddress in IPConfig.IPAddress
> >                     strHMTL = strHTML & " IP Address: " & strAddress
> >                 Next
> >             End If
> >         Next
> > 		MyName.InnerHTML = strHTML
> >     end sub
> > </script>
> > 
> > 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 01:51:16 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 07:51:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <712D284FF1F641D78A57F2D558ED952E@BPCS>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com>	<cda8f54e0907270412h37a0aa5g99c560b3e6460e43@mail.gmail.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E3@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E7@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>
	<712D284FF1F641D78A57F2D558ED952E@BPCS>
Message-ID: <4a7688f1.1c05d00a.69ff.0fdd@mx.google.com>

Bill, delighted that you had fun with it.  I am going to see what else I can
do with it.
Your memory code did not work for me.  Not sure why, but it just "hangs".

My system (Taken from my Desktop.hta screen -Tarah!) shows:

Operating System MicrosoftR Windows VistaT Home Premium 6.0.6002 
Service Pack (Major.Minor) 2.0 
Computer Type Desktop 
Physical No. of Processors Physical: 1 
Logical No. of Processors Logical: 3 
Architecture Type Architecture: 9 (x64) 
HyperThreading Architecture This is a hyperthreading architecture. 
Total Physical Memory 
 
System Rating Scores:- 
Processor 5.5 
Memory 5.9 
Primary Hard Disk 5.9 
Graphics 5.9 
Gaming Graphic 5.4

If you can make any sense of that, please let me know. I would like to be
able to show memory.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: 03 August 2009 00:44
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop

Max

Way cool.

I found a bunch of problems because of word wrap I guess, I learned a lot 
about scripting while playing with them. . I also fixed the
total Physical Memory thing. Removed the rem's from the get memory call and 
replaced the code in
get memory with this.


sub GetMemory
    strComputer = "."
     Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & 
"\root\cimv2")
     Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from 
Win32_ComputerSystem")
     For Each subItem in colItems
        MyMemory.InnerHTML = int((subItem.TotalPhysicalMemory + 1023) 
/1000000000 ) & " GB"
     Next
end sub


I won't tell how much time I spent "learning this"  <grin>  but it was fun 
learning.

Bill




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 02:02:03 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:02:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
	tuition fees
Message-ID: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>

Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven?t descended to this, have we.

 

Who can I sue?

My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?

My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?

My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be giving me organic.

Ooo, don?t start me off?

 

Max

 

 

Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Posted on: 03 August 2009 02:23
Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Subject: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees

 


A New York woman who says she cannot find a job is suing the college where she obtained a bachelor's degree.


View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8180806.stm>  article...



From krosenstiel at comcast.net  Mon Aug  3 07:33:50 2009
From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 05:33:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a76009b.0508d00a.6a29.08fb@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4a76009b.0508d00a.6a29.08fb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <61833BF70E364411BC9D46CA3C86C33F@bigmama>

Me too, me too! I have a daughter in Tokyo and I can never remember the time
difference when I want to call her.
Thanks. 


Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 2:09 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop

I will send it off-line to you Stuart.  (you are up early?) If any body
wants a copy, let me know.
It is also handy to quickly see what OS, updates etc you have on your
machine when answering questions from people.

A reminder that is was written for Vista so some code may not work on other
platforms.

Just d/click to run it and let it sit at the bottom of the screen, just a
click away.

This is my first stab and I will try to improve on it.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 02 August 2009 21:59
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop

A lot of line breaks were inserted by the mailing.

Quite a few of these were in points which break the code (inside strings for
example).
You need to do a fair bit of tidying up  to get it all working.  

Even then, I get one error "can't create object" on "Set objWord =
CreateObject("Word.Application")".

--
Stuart

On 2 Aug 2009 at 13:43, jwcolby wrote:

> I get an "unterminated string" error message.  Several in fact.  It
eventually does open, and 
> displays a bunch of clocks, and then hardware info lines with no info.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
> > Hi List:
> > I had many frustrating times when I was trying to figure out which 
> > of
you
> > were awake and which asleep
> > Anyway, here is a .hta text file to keep open on your desktop.  If 
> > your interested, just copy everything below my name to a text file 
> > called MyDeskop.hta and put in somewhere.  Then d/click it.
> > 
> > Some other PC info as well.  Bit of a hack.
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > <head>
> > <title>Access-D Dashboard.      max.wanadoo at gmail.com</title>
> > <!-- Author Max Sherman 2nd August 2009 - Free to all. -->
> > 
> > <!-- Runs on Vista Machines.
> > Some code may run on other platforms but not tested.
> > No guarantees and definitely NO support.
> > This is a big  hack from the help files.  Once I understand what I 
> > am actually doing, I may be able to improve on it !!
> > Please report bugs or suggestions to:
> > max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> > Many thanks.
> > Hope you find it useful.
> > Max -->
> > 
> > <!-- The clocks come from /www.worldtimeserver.com and reflect six 
> > time zones I am interested in across the World to see when my 
> > colleagues on Access-D might be available to help with MS Access
problems.
> > 
> > It start on the West coast of N.America across the the E.Coast, then
London,
> > 
> > Moscow and ending up in the two sides of Oz.
> > 
> > Add, delete as you wish.
> > 
> > There are 24 hour (military) style clocks - which I prefer - and 
> > normal 12 hour clocks with the DAY shown in the centre.
> > The showing of the day is very useful because frequently my 
> > colleagues "down-under" are starting a new day when I am ending the 
> > previous one. -->
> > 
> > <HTA:APPLICATION 
> >      APPLICATIONNAME="AccessD-Desktop"
> >      SCROLL="yes"
> >      SINGLEINSTANCE="yes"
> >      WINDOWSTATE="normal">
> > </head>
> > 
> > <body>
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr><td 
> > align="left"><font color="#FF0000"><p><span id = 
> > "MyName"></span></font></td></tr> <tr><td align="left"><b><font 
> > color="#0000FF">World Local Times - 24hr Military (with Day) and 
> > 12Hr (with AM/PM)</font></b></td></tr> </table>
> > 
> > <table>
> > <tr>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"> objUSCA = new 
> > Object;objUSCA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSCA.color
=
> > "6495ED";objUSCA.wtsid = "US-CA";objUSCA.width = 100;objUSCA.height 
> > = 100;objUSCA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSCA);</script>
> > </td>
> > 
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"> objUSNY = new 
> > Object;objUSNY.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objUSNY.color
=
> > "6495ED";objUSNY.wtsid = "US-NY";objUSNY.width = 100;objUSNY.height 
> > = 100;objUSNY.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objUSNY);</script>
> > </td>
> > 
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"> objGB = new 
> > Object;objGB.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objGB.color = 
> > "6495ED";objGB.wtsid = "GB";objGB.width = 100;objGB.height =
100;objGB.wmode
> > = "transparent";showClock(objGB);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type=<script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"> objRUMOW = new 
> > Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock =
"wtsclock024.swf";objRUMOW.color =
> > "6495ED";objRUMOW.wtsid = "RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width = 
> > 100;objRUMOW.height
=
> > 100;objRUMOW.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
> > </td>
> > 
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA = new 
> > Object;objAUWA.wtsclock = "wtsclock024.swf";objAUWA.color = 
> > "6495ED";objAUWA.wtsid = "AU-WA";objAUWA.width = 100;objAUWA.height 
> > = 100;objAUWA.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUWA);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"> objAUACT = new 
> > Object;objAUACT.wtsclock =
"wtsclock024.swf";objAUACT.color =
> > "6495ED";objAUACT.wtsid = "AU-ACT";objAUACT.width = 
> > 100;objAUACT.height
=
> > 100;objAUACT.wmode = "transparent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
> > </td>
> > </tr>
> > 
> > <tr>
> > <td align="center"><h4>California</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>New York</h4></td> <td 
> > align="center"><h4>London</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>Moscow</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>Perth</h4></td>
> > <td align="center"><h4>Canbera</h4></td>
> > </tr>
> > 
> > <tr>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"> objUSCA=new
> >
Object;objUSCA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSCA.color="FFFF00";objUSCA.wts
> >
id="US-CA";objUSCA.width=100;objUSCA.height=100;objUSCA.wmode="transparent";
> > showClock(objUSCA);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript"> objUSNY=new
> >
Object;objUSNY.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objUSNY.color="FFFF00";objUSNY.wts
> >
id="US-NY";objUSNY.width=100;objUSNY.height=100;objUSNY.wmode="transparent";
> > showClock(objUSNY);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objGB=new
> >
Object;objGB.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objGB.color="FFFF00";objGB.wtsid="GB
> >
";objGB.width=100;objGB.height=100;objGB.wmode="transparent";showClock(objGB
> > );</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objRUMOW=new
> >
Object;objRUMOW.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objRUMOW.color="FFFF00";objRUMOW.
> >
wtsid="RU-MOW";objRUMOW.width=100;objRUMOW.height=100;objRUMOW.wmode="transp
> > arent";showClock(objRUMOW);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUWA=new
> >
Object;objAUWA.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUWA.color="FFFF00";objAUWA.wts
> >
id="AU-WA";objAUWA.width=100;objAUWA.height=100;objAUWA.wmode="transparent";
> > showClock(objAUWA);</script>
> > </td>
> > <td align="center">
> > <script type="text/javascript"
> > src="http://www.worldtimeserver.com/clocks/embed.js"></script>
> > <script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">objAUACT=new
> >
Object;objAUACT.wtsclock="wtsclock001.swf";objAUACT.color="FFFF00";objAUACT.
> >
wtsid="AU-ACT";objAUACT.width=100;objAUACT.height=100;objAUACT.wmode="transp
> > arent";showClock(objAUACT);</script>
> > </td>
> > </tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Outlook 
> > Mail</font></b></td></tr> <tr><td align="left">Inbox Total Items: 
> > </td><td align="left"><p><span
id =
> > "MyInboxCt"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Inbox Unread Items: </td><td 
> > align="left"><p><span
id =
> > "MyInboxUnreadCt"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Operating 
> > System</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id = 
> > "OSVersion"></span></td></tr> <tr><td align="left"><b><font 
> > color="#0000FF">Service Pack</font></b></td><td 
> > align="left"><p><span id = "OSServicePack"></span></td></tr> <tr><td 
> > align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Computer 
> > Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id = 
> > "MyComputerType"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Physical No. of 
> > Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id = 
> > "MyProcessorsPhysical"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Logical No. of 
> > Processors</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id = 
> > "MyProcessorsLogical"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Architecture 
> > Type</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id = 
> > "MyArchitecture"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">HyperThreading 
> > Architecture</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id = 
> > "MyHyperThreading"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><b><font color="#0000FF">Total Physical 
> > Memory</font></b></td><td align="left"><p><span id = 
> > "MyMemory"></span></td></tr> <tr><td align="left"><b><font 
> > color="#0000FF">System Rating Scores:-</font></b></td></tr> <tr><td 
> > align="left">Processor</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id = 
> > "MyProcessorScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Memory</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id 
> > = "MyMemoryScore"></span></td></tr> <tr><td align="left">Primary 
> > Hard Disk</span></td><td
align="left"><p><span
> > id = "MyDiskScore"></span></td></tr> <tr><td 
> > align="left">Graphics</span></td><td align="left"><p><span id = 
> > "MyGraphicsScore"></span></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left">Gaming Graphic</span></td><td 
> > align="left"><p><span
id
> > = "MyD3DScore"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running
Applications:-</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><p><span id = "MyRunningApps"></span></td></tr> 
> > </table> <br>
> > 
> > <!-- What Processes Are Running-->
> > <hr>
> > <br>
> > <table>
> > <tr><td><b><font color="#0000FF">Running
Processes:-</font></b></td></tr>
> > <tr><td align="left"><p><span id =
"MyRunningProcesses"></span></td></tr>
> > </table>
> > <br>
> > 
> > <hr>
> > </body>
> > 
> > <script language="VBScript">
> >     sub window_onLoad
> > 	<!-- Update Outlook mail count every 30 seconds -->
> > 	<!--   GetMemory -->
> >    <!--    iTimerID = window.setInterval("GetOutlookInBox", 30000) -->
> > 	  getMyName
> > 	  GetRunningApps
> > 	  GetOSVersion
> > 	  GetOSServicePack
> > 	  GetSystem
> > 	  GetProcesses
> > 	  GetComputerType
> > 	  GetProcessors
> > 	  GetArchitecture
> >       GetOutlookInBox
> >     end sub
> > 
> > 	sub GetSystem
> > 	<!-- Vista Only -->
> > 	strComputer = "."
> >     Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >     Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * From 
> > Win32_WinSAT")
> >     
> >     For Each objItem in colItems
> >         MyProcessorScore.InnerHTML = objItem.CPUScore
> >         MyMemoryScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.MemoryScore 
> >         MyDiskScore.InnerHTML =  objItem.DiskScore
> >         MyGraphicsScore.InnerHTML=  objItem.GraphicsScore
> >         MyD3DScore.InnerHTML = objItem.D3DScore
> >         <!-- strHTML = strHTML &  "Windows System Performance Rating: "
&
> > objItem.WinCRSLevel & "<br>" -->
> >     Next
> > 	end sub
> > 
> >     Sub GetOSVersion
> > 	       strComputer = "."
> >            Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer 
> > &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >            Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >                ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
> >            For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
> >             	OSVersion.InnerHTML=objOperatingSystem.Caption & " "
&
> > objOperatingSystem.Version
> >            Next
> >     End Sub
> > 
> >     sub GetOSServicePack
> > 	strComputer = "."
> > 	Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> > 	Set colOperatingSystems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> > 	    ("Select * from Win32_OperatingSystem")
> > 	For Each objOperatingSystem in colOperatingSystems
> > 	    OSServicePack.InnerHTML ="(Major.Minor) " & 
> > objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMajorVersion & "." & 
> > objOperatingSystem.ServicePackMinorVersion
> > 	Next
> >     end sub
> > 
> > 	sub GetComputerType
> > 	strComputer = "." 
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2") 
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_ComputerSystem")
> >       
> >       Select Case colItems.ItemIndex(0).PCSystemType
> >           Case 0
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Unspecified"
> >           Case 1
> >              MyComputerType.InnerHTML="Desktop"
> >           Case 2
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Mobile"
> >           Case 3
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Workstation"
> >           Case 4
> >               MyComputerTyp.InnerHTMLe= "Enterprise Server"
> >           Case 5
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "SOHO Server"
> >           Case 6
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Applicance PC"
> >           Case 7
> >               MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Performance Server"
> >           Case 8
> >              MyComputerType.InnerHTML= "Role Maximum"
> >       End Select
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetProcessors
> >   		strComputer = "." 
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2") 
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_ComputerSystem")
> >       
> >       intLogical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfLogicalProcessors
> >       intPhysical = colItems.ItemIndex(0).NumberOfProcessors
> >       
> >       MyProcessorsLogical.InnerHTML= "Logical: " & intLogical
> > 	  MyProcessorsPhysical.InnerHTML= "Physical: " & intPhysical
> >       
> >       If  intLogical > intPhysical Then
> >           MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML= "This is a hyperthreading 
> > architecture."
> >       Else
> >           MyHyperThreading.InnerHTML="This is not a hyperthreading 
> > architecture."
> >       End If	
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetArchitecture
> > 		strComputer = "." 
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2") 
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_Processor") 
> >       For Each objItem in colItems 
> >           MyArchitecture.InnerHTML= "Architecture: " &
objItem.Architecture
> >           Select Case objItem.Architecture
> >               Case 0
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> > (x86)"
> >               Case 1
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> > (MIPS)"
> >               Case 2
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML &   "
> > (Alpha)"
> >               Case 3
> >                   MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML 
> > &
"
> > (PowerPC)"
> >               Case 6
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> > (Intel Itanium Processor Family [IPF])"
> >               Case 9
> >                  MyArchitecture.InnerHTML=MyArchitecture.InnerHTML & "
> > (x64)"
> >           End Select         
> >       Next
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetOutlookInBox
> > 	Const olFolderInbox = 6
> > 		  strComputer = "."
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >       Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >           ("Select * From Win32_Process Where Name = 'outlook.exe'") 
> >       If colItems.Count = 0 Then
> >           Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> >           Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> >           objNamespace.Logon "Default Outlook Profile",, False, True    
> >           Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
> >           objFolder.Display
> >           Set colItems = objFolder.Items
> > 		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
> > 		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML=objFolder.UnreadItemCount
> >       Else
> >           Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> >           Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> >           Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
> >           Set colItems = objFolder.Items
> > 		  MyInboxCt.InnerHTML= colItems.Count
> > 		  MyInboxUnReadCt.InnerHTML= objFolder.UnreadItemCount
> >       End If
> > 	end sub
> > 
> > 	sub GetRunningApps
> > 	  strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "
> > & _
> >           "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
> > 	  Set objWord = CreateObject("Word.Application")
> >       Set colTasks = objWord.Tasks      
> >       For Each objTask in colTasks
> >           If objTask.Visible Then
> > 		     strHTML = strHTML & "<tr><td>" & objTask.Name &
"</td></tr>"
> >           End If
> >       Next      
> >       objWord.Quit
> >       strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
> > 	  MyRunningApps.InnerHTML=strHTML
> >     end sub
> > 	
> >     Sub GetProcesses
> >   	strHTML = "<table border='1' style='border-collapse: collapse' "  
> > & _
> >           "bordercolor='#111111' width='100%' id='Table1' >"
> > 	  strHTML=strHTML & "<tr><td>Processes</td><td>Process ID</td></tr>"
> >        strComputer = "."
> >        Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >        Set colProcesses = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
> > Win32_Process")  
> >        For Each objProcess in colProcesses
> >           strHTML = strHTML & "<tr>"
> >           strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & objProcess.Name &
"</td>"
> >           strHTML = strHTML & "<td width='50%'>" & 
> > objProcess.ProcessID
& _
> >               "</td>"
> >        Next  
> >       strHTML = strHTML & "</table><br>"
> >       MyRunningProcesses.InnerHTML = strHTML
> >     End Sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetMemory	
> >   	strComputer = "atl-dc-01" 
> >       Set wbemServices = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer) 
> >       Set wbemObjectSet =
> > wbemServices.InstancesOf("Win32_LogicalMemoryConfiguration") 
> >       For Each wbemObject In wbemObjectSet 
> >           MyMemory.InnerHTML= wbemObject.TotalPhysicalMemory 
> >       Next 
> > 	end sub
> > 	
> > 	sub GetMyName
> > 		strHTML=""
> >       	strComputer = "."
> >       Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >       Set colComputers = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >           ("Select * from Win32_ComputerSystem")
> >       For Each objComputer in colComputers
> >           strHTML=  objComputer.Name
> >       Next	  
> > 	  strComputer = "."
> >         Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\cimv2")
> >         Set IPConfigSet = objWMIService.ExecQuery _
> >             ("Select IPAddress from 
> > Win32_NetworkAdapterConfiguration
Where
> > IPEnabled=TRUE")
> >         For Each IPConfig in IPConfigSet
> >             If Not IsNull(IPConfig.IPAddress) Then
> >                 For Each strAddress in IPConfig.IPAddress
> >                     strHMTL = strHTML & " IP Address: " & strAddress
> >                 Next
> >             End If
> >         Next
> > 		MyName.InnerHTML = strHTML
> >     end sub
> > </script>
> > 
> > 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug  3 09:31:48 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:31:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
 tuition fees
In-Reply-To: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A76F4D4.9060304@colbyconsulting.com>

I'm suing my mother for not marrying a rich man.  Does that count?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven?t descended to this, have we.
> 
>  
> 
> Who can I sue?
> 
> My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?
> 
> My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?
> 
> My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be giving me organic.
> 
> Ooo, don?t start me off?
> 
>  
> 
> Max
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
> Posted on: 03 August 2009 02:23
> Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
> Subject: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees
> 
>  
> 
> 
> A New York woman who says she cannot find a job is suing the college where she obtained a bachelor's degree.
> 
> 
> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8180806.stm>  article...
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 09:50:29 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:50:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
	tuition fees
In-Reply-To: <4A76F4D4.9060304@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>
	<4A76F4D4.9060304@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a76f96d.1818d00a.18f8.6684@mx.google.com>

No.  Client Service Counts. Computers Calculate.  Nothing Counts

As for your mum - she had you and that's priceless.  Trust me!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 03 August 2009 15:32
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees

I'm suing my mother for not marrying a rich man.  Does that count?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven?t descended to this, have we.
> 
>  
> 
> Who can I sue?
> 
> My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?
> 
> My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?
> 
> My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be giving me organic.
> 
> Ooo, don?t start me off?
> 
>  
> 
> Max
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
> Posted on: 03 August 2009 02:23
> Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
> Subject: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees
> 
>  
> 
> 
> A New York woman who says she cannot find a job is suing the college where she obtained a bachelor's degree.
> 
> 
> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8180806.stm>  article...
> 
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 09:50:44 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:50:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>
	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>

Max

..."ages to load"??? ...my bginfo loads almost instantaneously
...it shows time in 4 cities, a single click updates them all, I could as 
easily have 20.
...its part of my desktop with zero cpu/ram consumption except when I 
refresh
...it shows practically any info I want including last virus update, system 
temps, hd size/free space, user name/security level, service tag, net 
runtime versions, os/service pack, ip, all my network info, etc, etc.
...anything available from a script, wmi, environment variable, registry 
value, bios, or a text file can be displayed ...and the bginfo forums and 
net are filled with ways to get practically any info I can think of that is 
available from my system.
...I can even script color coding into it.
...it displays absolutely nothing I don't tell it to
...it will work on almost any OS environment including VPCs and from a 
stick.
...I always display it as part of my desktop background but it works just as 
well from the tray ...the info display is very flexible and allows graphics 
as well as text

...not knocking your hta, Max ...just pointing out that a very good, free, 
and well supported alternative is readily available ...the base bginfo 
script is very blas? but with a little work, it can be very professional 
...I use it on every client workstation, laptop, and server ...one of its 
best features is that it integrates easily with client wallpapers so they 
get to keep their desktops while I get the info I need on it as well ...no 
more trying to walk a client through finding basic info over the phone 
...its there in front of them all the time ...and I've even started writing 
diagnostic versions linked by a desktop shortcut that displays info I don't 
normally put on the desktop such as installed updates and driver info 
...makes life a lot easier and I no longer have to go digging for info 
...its right there in front of me when I walk up to the system or for a 
client on the phone ...if you haven't figured it out by now, I love it

William


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:36 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> William:
>
> No, BGInfo is no good for what I wanted - not only does it take a.g.e.s. 
> to
> run when booting but I wanted SIX clocks showing time zones across the 
> world
> - as defined by me.
>
> I wanted it on screen permanently, just minimised/maximised onto the tool
> bar immediately to hand at a click of the button.
>
> Whilst I was doing that, I thought why not show some BARE essentials that
> people ask me, ie. What OS version are you using, what updates do you 
> have,
> processors etc.  IOW, the bits that I want and nothing more and nothing
> less.  The answer was a mixture of HTML and Script Basic which I can add 
> too
> or delete from at will.
>
> If I wanted it updated, (eg, emails) and can put it in a clock-loop but
> otherwise, it just runs the once when loading - you can then disconnect 
> from
> the net and the clocks will continue to show the correct "Local" time 
> zones
> as set up by me.  Connection to/from the net is a simple click on my 
> mobile
> connection button and takes circa 5 seconds to re-connect.
>
> BGInfo shows some of what I want but not all, and it shows a ton of stuff 
> I
> don't want and takes ages to get it too.  It has its place and I like it,
> but it didn't answer MY requirements in this case.
>
> My Desktop.hta does what I need - I was only sharing with you guys in case
> anybody out there might find a use for it.
>
> Thanks anyway for the heads up
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 03 August 2009 04:40
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop
>
> Max
>
> ...Have you tried BgInfo from SysInternals? ...it does all of this and a 
> lot
>
> more without any load on the system and works with W95 up ...I use it on
> every client system including servers.
>
> William
>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 09:55:58 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:55:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
	tuition fees
In-Reply-To: <4A76F4D4.9060304@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>
	<4A76F4D4.9060304@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <B28381A69AD643F59FB8E88DC2684165@jislaptopdev>

...your mother will counter sue for your failing to support her in the 
manner she became accustomed to :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:31 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for 
tuition fees

> I'm suing my mother for not marrying a rich man.  Does that count?
>
> ;)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven?t descended to this, have we.
>>
>>
>>
>> Who can I sue?
>>
>> My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?
>>
>> My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?
>>
>> My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be giving 
>> me organic.
>>
>> Ooo, don?t start me off?
>>
>>
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
>> Posted on: 03 August 2009 02:23
>> Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
>> Subject: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A New York woman who says she cannot find a job is suing the college 
>> where she obtained a bachelor's degree.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8180806.stm> 
>> article...
>>
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug  3 10:32:28 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:32:28 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600907310816p38ccb6bel990ce38350332cb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A33@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

ROTFLMAO!!!!

Hilarious!

Drew

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Ismert
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:16 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday

A dynamic SQL morality tale:
http://xkcd.com/327/
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 12:15:38 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:15:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com>
	<579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4a771b81.0506d00a.7998.004f@mx.google.com>

Just checking it through now William

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 03 August 2009 15:51
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop

Max

..."ages to load"??? ...my bginfo loads almost instantaneously
...it shows time in 4 cities, a single click updates them all, I could as 
easily have 20.
...its part of my desktop with zero cpu/ram consumption except when I 
refresh
...it shows practically any info I want including last virus update, system 
temps, hd size/free space, user name/security level, service tag, net 
runtime versions, os/service pack, ip, all my network info, etc, etc.
...anything available from a script, wmi, environment variable, registry 
value, bios, or a text file can be displayed ...and the bginfo forums and 
net are filled with ways to get practically any info I can think of that is 
available from my system.
...I can even script color coding into it.
...it displays absolutely nothing I don't tell it to
...it will work on almost any OS environment including VPCs and from a 
stick.
...I always display it as part of my desktop background but it works just as

well from the tray ...the info display is very flexible and allows graphics 
as well as text

...not knocking your hta, Max ...just pointing out that a very good, free, 
and well supported alternative is readily available ...the base bginfo 
script is very blas? but with a little work, it can be very professional 
...I use it on every client workstation, laptop, and server ...one of its 
best features is that it integrates easily with client wallpapers so they 
get to keep their desktops while I get the info I need on it as well ...no 
more trying to walk a client through finding basic info over the phone 
...its there in front of them all the time ...and I've even started writing 
diagnostic versions linked by a desktop shortcut that displays info I don't 
normally put on the desktop such as installed updates and driver info 
...makes life a lot easier and I no longer have to go digging for info 
...its right there in front of me when I walk up to the system or for a 
client on the phone ...if you haven't figured it out by now, I love it

William


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:36 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> William:
>
> No, BGInfo is no good for what I wanted - not only does it take a.g.e.s. 
> to
> run when booting but I wanted SIX clocks showing time zones across the 
> world
> - as defined by me.
>
> I wanted it on screen permanently, just minimised/maximised onto the tool
> bar immediately to hand at a click of the button.
>
> Whilst I was doing that, I thought why not show some BARE essentials that
> people ask me, ie. What OS version are you using, what updates do you 
> have,
> processors etc.  IOW, the bits that I want and nothing more and nothing
> less.  The answer was a mixture of HTML and Script Basic which I can add 
> too
> or delete from at will.
>
> If I wanted it updated, (eg, emails) and can put it in a clock-loop but
> otherwise, it just runs the once when loading - you can then disconnect 
> from
> the net and the clocks will continue to show the correct "Local" time 
> zones
> as set up by me.  Connection to/from the net is a simple click on my 
> mobile
> connection button and takes circa 5 seconds to re-connect.
>
> BGInfo shows some of what I want but not all, and it shows a ton of stuff 
> I
> don't want and takes ages to get it too.  It has its place and I like it,
> but it didn't answer MY requirements in this case.
>
> My Desktop.hta does what I need - I was only sharing with you guys in case
> anybody out there might find a use for it.
>
> Thanks anyway for the heads up
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 03 August 2009 04:40
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop
>
> Max
>
> ...Have you tried BgInfo from SysInternals? ...it does all of this and a 
> lot
>
> more without any load on the system and works with W95 up ...I use it on
> every client system including servers.
>
> William
>
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 12:18:59 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:18:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com>
	<579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4a771c49.1c07d00a.7c0b.4178@mx.google.com>

How do I open it to make changes.  When I installed it, it ran for about 5
seconds and before I could  do anything, it had exited  leaving stuff on my
screen. There is nothing in the Start/Prgms under BGInfo or Sysinternals.
How do I access it again.

Max




From bill_patten at embarqmail.com  Mon Aug  3 12:30:20 2009
From: bill_patten at embarqmail.com (Bill Patten)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:30:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a7688f1.1c05d00a.69ff.0fdd@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com>	<cda8f54e0907270412h37a0aa5g99c560b3e6460e43@mail.gmail.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E3@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E7@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com><712D284FF1F641D78A57F2D558ED952E@BPCS>
	<4a7688f1.1c05d00a.69ff.0fdd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <831C7455EE944A559A27774D26108688@BPCS>

Max,

Not sure why it doesn't work, I'm assuming you removed the word wraps or you 
would have had error messages.

Our machines are similar except you have 3 logical processors???

I added the wrapper below to the GetSystem and ran it in an XP machine, and 
the memory part worked fine. I had some errors with word.Application but 
ignored them and got 1 GB.

if inStr(OSVersion.InnerHTML, "Vista") > 0 then
    GetSystem
 end if

I love the clocks, added Paris and Christchurch (NZ) and really don't need 
the other stuff as SIW works for me.

Thanks for sharing

Bill

My Vista...
Operating System Microsoft? Windows VistaT Ultimate 6.0.6002
Service Pack (Major.Minor) 2.0
Computer Type SOHO Server
Physical No. of Processors Physical: 1
Logical No. of Processors Logical: 4
Architecture Type Architecture: 9(x64)
HyperThreading Architecture This is a hyperthreading architecture.
Total Physical Memory 4 GB
System Rating Scores:-
Processor 5.9
Memory 5.5
Primary Hard Disk 5.5
Graphics 5.9
Gaming Graphic 5.5




--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop

Bill, delighted that you had fun with it.  I am going to see what else I can
do with it.
Your memory code did not work for me.  Not sure why, but it just "hangs".

My system (Taken from my Desktop.hta screen -Tarah!) shows:

Operating System MicrosoftR Windows VistaT Home Premium 6.0.6002
Service Pack (Major.Minor) 2.0
Computer Type Desktop
Physical No. of Processors Physical: 1
Logical No. of Processors Logical: 3
Architecture Type Architecture: 9 (x64)
HyperThreading Architecture This is a hyperthreading architecture.
Total Physical Memory

System Rating Scores:-
Processor 5.5
Memory 5.9
Primary Hard Disk 5.9
Graphics 5.9
Gaming Graphic 5.4

If you can make any sense of that, please let me know. I would like to be
able to show memory.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: 03 August 2009 00:44
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop

Max

Way cool.

I found a bunch of problems because of word wrap I guess, I learned a lot
about scripting while playing with them. . I also fixed the
total Physical Memory thing. Removed the rem's from the get memory call and
replaced the code in
get memory with this.


sub GetMemory
    strComputer = "."
     Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
     Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
Win32_ComputerSystem")
     For Each subItem in colItems
        MyMemory.InnerHTML = int((subItem.TotalPhysicalMemory + 1023)
/1000000000 ) & " GB"
     Next
end sub


I won't tell how much time I spent "learning this"  <grin>  but it was fun
learning.

Bill


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From john at winhaven.net  Mon Aug  3 12:45:34 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:45:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] (Bginfo was: Access-D Desktop)
In-Reply-To: <579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com>
	<579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <031501ca1462$34547060$9cfd5120$@net>

Hi William,
Would you care to share your bginfo config file with us? :o)

John B.



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 12:53:34 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:53:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] (Bginfo was: Access-D Desktop)
In-Reply-To: <031501ca1462$34547060$9cfd5120$@net>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com>	<579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
	<031501ca1462$34547060$9cfd5120$@net>
Message-ID: <4a772466.1c07d00a.58e7.ffff8af3@mx.google.com>

Now, that is a good question, 'cos frankly I am stumped!

Can't even find it.  Just re-scaled my windows to see if it was hiding round
the corner, but no, it disappeared altogether.

Not looking good William - help!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
Sent: 03 August 2009 18:46
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] (Bginfo was: Access-D Desktop)

Hi William,
Would you care to share your bginfo config file with us? :o)

John B.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 12:55:05 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 13:55:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
Message-ID: <C1F83109A2A54780BE45CA44CBB3E9B4@SusanOne>

I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of 
versions for Access?

1.0
1.1
2.0
95
97
2000
2002
2003
2007

Do I have them all?

Susan H. 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 13:06:50 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:06:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a771c49.1c07d00a.7c0b.4178@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com><579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
	<4a771c49.1c07d00a.7c0b.4178@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <912C78F63903498998432205038507B8@jislaptopdev>

...rtfm!!!!! :)

...when it opens there is a "time remaining" countdown in the upper right 
...click on it to stop the countdown.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:18 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> How do I open it to make changes.  When I installed it, it ran for about 5
> seconds and before I could  do anything, it had exited  leaving stuff on 
> my
> screen. There is nothing in the Start/Prgms under BGInfo or Sysinternals.
> How do I access it again.
>
> Max
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 13:08:18 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:08:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times
In-Reply-To: <4a75e057.1c07d00a.1050.1072@mx.google.com>
References: <4a75e057.1c07d00a.1050.1072@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAAC2@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

And what the heck was an adder doing at the seashore??  Sunbathing?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times

Uh?, I would have got the  message after the first bite....

 

Who was doing the counting, the adder?

 

Max

 

 

Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition Posted on: 02 August 2009
17:23
Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Subject: Man bitten by adder three times

 


A 31-year-old man has been bitten by Britain's only poisonous snake - an
adder - three times while on a beach.


View article... <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/wales/8180530.stm> 

 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 13:11:36 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:11:36 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <912C78F63903498998432205038507B8@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com><579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>	<4a771c49.1c07d00a.7c0b.4178@mx.google.com>
	<912C78F63903498998432205038507B8@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4a7728a8.1c07d00a.141d.3cde@mx.google.com>

Tinfm

How do I get the clock and time zones. There is no list of gadgets etc to
add, just the basic of system stuff.  

Max
Tinfm - There is NO F. Manual...There isn't even an icon, or a clickable
link.  You have to run the install exe each time.  Shiver me timbers, Jack!


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 03 August 2009 19:07
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop

...rtfm!!!!! :)

...when it opens there is a "time remaining" countdown in the upper right 
...click on it to stop the countdown.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:18 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> How do I open it to make changes.  When I installed it, it ran for about 5
> seconds and before I could  do anything, it had exited  leaving stuff on 
> my
> screen. There is nothing in the Start/Prgms under BGInfo or Sysinternals.
> How do I access it again.
>
> Max
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 13:13:06 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:13:06 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <C1F83109A2A54780BE45CA44CBB3E9B4@SusanOne>
References: <C1F83109A2A54780BE45CA44CBB3E9B4@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAAC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

If you're only looking for base versions, yes.  Of course, service packs
are in there as well.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:55 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Version history

I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of
versions for Access?

1.0
1.1
2.0
95
97
2000
2002
2003
2007

Do I have them all?

Susan H. 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 13:22:43 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:22:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAAC2@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <4a75e057.1c07d00a.1050.1072@mx.google.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAAC2@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4a772b4b.0506d00a.73ac.ffffe0c6@mx.google.com>

Sum bathing.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 03 August 2009 19:08
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times

And what the heck was an adder doing at the seashore??  Sunbathing?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times

Uh?, I would have got the  message after the first bite....

 

Who was doing the counting, the adder?

 

Max

 

 

Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition Posted on: 02 August 2009
17:23
Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Subject: Man bitten by adder three times

 


A 31-year-old man has been bitten by Britain's only poisonous snake - an
adder - three times while on a beach.


View article... <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/wales/8180530.stm> 

 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 13:25:57 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:25:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <831C7455EE944A559A27774D26108688@BPCS>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com>	<cda8f54e0907270412h37a0aa5g99c560b3e6460e43@mail.gmail.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E3@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E7@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com><712D284FF1F641D78A57F2D558ED952E@BPCS>	<4a7688f1.1c05d00a.69ff.0fdd@mx.google.com>
	<831C7455EE944A559A27774D26108688@BPCS>
Message-ID: <4a772c0b.0a04d00a.042d.1ee2@mx.google.com>

All sorted now Bill.  Unlike some other systems I won't mention....ahem!

I have just done another .hta to show all space on local logical drives.  

Quite good fun .hta's

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: 03 August 2009 18:30
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop

Max,

Not sure why it doesn't work, I'm assuming you removed the word wraps or you

would have had error messages.

Our machines are similar except you have 3 logical processors???

I added the wrapper below to the GetSystem and ran it in an XP machine, and 
the memory part worked fine. I had some errors with word.Application but 
ignored them and got 1 GB.

if inStr(OSVersion.InnerHTML, "Vista") > 0 then
    GetSystem
 end if

I love the clocks, added Paris and Christchurch (NZ) and really don't need 
the other stuff as SIW works for me.

Thanks for sharing

Bill

My Vista...
Operating System MicrosoftR Windows VistaT Ultimate 6.0.6002
Service Pack (Major.Minor) 2.0
Computer Type SOHO Server
Physical No. of Processors Physical: 1
Logical No. of Processors Logical: 4
Architecture Type Architecture: 9(x64)
HyperThreading Architecture This is a hyperthreading architecture.
Total Physical Memory 4 GB
System Rating Scores:-
Processor 5.9
Memory 5.5
Primary Hard Disk 5.5
Graphics 5.9
Gaming Graphic 5.5




--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop

Bill, delighted that you had fun with it.  I am going to see what else I can
do with it.
Your memory code did not work for me.  Not sure why, but it just "hangs".

My system (Taken from my Desktop.hta screen -Tarah!) shows:

Operating System MicrosoftR Windows VistaT Home Premium 6.0.6002
Service Pack (Major.Minor) 2.0
Computer Type Desktop
Physical No. of Processors Physical: 1
Logical No. of Processors Logical: 3
Architecture Type Architecture: 9 (x64)
HyperThreading Architecture This is a hyperthreading architecture.
Total Physical Memory

System Rating Scores:-
Processor 5.5
Memory 5.9
Primary Hard Disk 5.9
Graphics 5.9
Gaming Graphic 5.4

If you can make any sense of that, please let me know. I would like to be
able to show memory.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
Sent: 03 August 2009 00:44
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop

Max

Way cool.

I found a bunch of problems because of word wrap I guess, I learned a lot
about scripting while playing with them. . I also fixed the
total Physical Memory thing. Removed the rem's from the get memory call and
replaced the code in
get memory with this.


sub GetMemory
    strComputer = "."
     Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
"\root\cimv2")
     Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
Win32_ComputerSystem")
     For Each subItem in colItems
        MyMemory.InnerHTML = int((subItem.TotalPhysicalMemory + 1023)
/1000000000 ) & " GB"
     Next
end sub


I won't tell how much time I spent "learning this"  <grin>  but it was fun
learning.

Bill


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 14:19:41 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:19:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
References: <C1F83109A2A54780BE45CA44CBB3E9B4@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAAC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <D3589F2DA01E43399C279D8DC2CEBCED@SusanOne>

No sp's, just version history. 

Susan H. 


> If you're only looking for base versions, yes.  Of course, service packs
> are in there as well.
> 
> Charlotte Foust 


> I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of
> versions for Access?
> 
> 1.0
> 1.1
> 2.0
> 95
> 97
> 2000
> 2002
> 2003
> 2007
> 
> Do I have them all?
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
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From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Mon Aug  3 14:21:59 2009
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:21:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <D3589F2DA01E43399C279D8DC2CEBCED@SusanOne>
References: <C1F83109A2A54780BE45CA44CBB3E9B4@SusanOne><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAAC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<D3589F2DA01E43399C279D8DC2CEBCED@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC70155143F@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

Then you gotem all. 


Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:20 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history

No sp's, just version history. 

Susan H. 


> If you're only looking for base versions, yes.  Of course, service 
> packs are in there as well.
> 
> Charlotte Foust


> I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list
of
> versions for Access?
> 
> 1.0
> 1.1
> 2.0
> 95
> 97
> 2000
> 2002
> 2003
> 2007
> 
> Do I have them all?
> 
> Susan H. 
> 
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Mon Aug  3 14:32:53 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 15:32:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <C1F83109A2A54780BE45CA44CBB3E9B4@SusanOne>
References: <C1F83109A2A54780BE45CA44CBB3E9B4@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A9CE7BB697F14DE3898A18CEEDD25094@XPS>


  2010.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Version history

I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of 
versions for Access?

1.0
1.1
2.0
95
97
2000
2002
2003
2007

Do I have them all?

Susan H. 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 14:35:03 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:35:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com>
	<579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4a773c4d.0508d00a.650e.3d47@mx.google.com>

Right then young man (William):
You have set me a challenge with this BGInfo but I think I am getting
somewhere.
Here are  two CUSTOM VBS scripts that I have tested and work for me !!
As Always,  watch for word wrap.

Feedback appreciated + some indication of how you wrote the vbscript for the
clocks

Max


FIRST ONE:
' MyUnreadEmails.vbs
'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
Const olFolderInbox = 6
Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
objNamespace.Logon "Default Outlook Profile", , FALSE, TRUE    
Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
Echo objFolder.UnreadItemCount

SECOND ONE:
' MyOutlookDistributionLists.vbs
'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
Const olFolderContacts = 10
Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
Set colContacts = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts).Items
intCount = colContacts.Count
For i = 1 To intCount
    If TypeName(colContacts.Item(i)) = "DistListItem" Then
        Set objDistList = colContacts.Item(i)
        Echo objDistList.DLName
        For j = 1 To objDistList.MemberCount
echo objDistList.GetMember(j).Name & " -- " &
objDistList.GetMember(j).Address
        Next 
       Echo ""
    End If
Next

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 14:36:00 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 20:36:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <A9CE7BB697F14DE3898A18CEEDD25094@XPS>
References: <C1F83109A2A54780BE45CA44CBB3E9B4@SusanOne>
	<A9CE7BB697F14DE3898A18CEEDD25094@XPS>
Message-ID: <4a773c79.1c07d00a.7c0b.ffff9391@mx.google.com>

Jim:
You gonna vote for something that aint here yet?

Max


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: 03 August 2009 20:33
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history


  2010.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Version history

I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of 
versions for Access?

1.0
1.1
2.0
95
97
2000
2002
2003
2007

Do I have them all?

Susan H. 

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From hkotsch at arcor.de  Mon Aug  3 14:39:44 2009
From: hkotsch at arcor.de (Helmut Kotsch)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:39:44 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <A9CE7BB697F14DE3898A18CEEDD25094@XPS>
Message-ID: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBKEHIFPAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>

How about Office XP?

Helmut

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Gesendet: Montag, 3. August 2009 21:33
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Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Version history



  2010.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Version history

I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of 
versions for Access?

1.0
1.1
2.0
95
97
2000
2002
2003
2007

Do I have them all?

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 14:40:04 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:40:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
References: <C1F83109A2A54780BE45CA44CBB3E9B4@SusanOne>
	<A9CE7BB697F14DE3898A18CEEDD25094@XPS>
Message-ID: <6EC108891CD44A3A8864EFE768DC1DDE@SusanOne>

Not out yet to the general public -- can't include it yet. 

Susan H. 


> 
>  2010.
> 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 14:45:48 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:45:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times
In-Reply-To: <4a772b4b.0506d00a.73ac.ffffe0c6@mx.google.com>
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<Groan>

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 11:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times

Sum bathing.

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Foust
Sent: 03 August 2009 19:08
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times

And what the heck was an adder doing at the seashore??  Sunbathing?

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Man bitten by adder three times

Uh?, I would have got the  message after the first bite....

 

Who was doing the counting, the adder?

 

Max

 

 

Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition Posted on: 02 August 2009
17:23
Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Subject: Man bitten by adder three times

 


A 31-year-old man has been bitten by Britain's only poisonous snake - an
adder - three times while on a beach.


View article... <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/wales/8180530.stm> 

 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 14:46:53 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 12:46:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBKEHIFPAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
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That's 2002.

Charlotte 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history

How about Office XP?

Helmut

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Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Version history



  2010.

Jim. 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Version history

I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of
versions for Access?

1.0
1.1
2.0
95
97
2000
2002
2003
2007

Do I have them all?

Susan H. 

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 14:57:56 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:57:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
References: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBKEHIFPAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
Message-ID: <E58509D406784B76B5448F91DCDBF9D7@SusanOne>

Isn't that the same as 2000 or 2002? 

Susan H. 


> How about Office XP?
> 
>  2010.
> 
> Jim. 
> 
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> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
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> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Version history
> 
> I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of 
> versions for Access?
> 
> 1.0
> 1.1
> 2.0
> 95
> 97
> 2000
> 2002
> 2003
> 2007
> 
> Do I have them all?
> 
> Susan H. 
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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Aug  3 15:07:09 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:07:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OFF TOPIC: Thanks for the assistance and I hope it
 doesnt	end here..................................
In-Reply-To: <00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork>
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	<00eb01ca0ccd$5ae77e30$4d00a8c0@TomWork>
Message-ID: <4A77436D.5080705@torchlake.com>

Best of luck, Tom, with the surgery and the recovery.  Keep us posted.  
And welcome to Kristal.
Kind regards,
Tina

Tom Keatley wrote:
> Hi all.....
>
> I have been a lurker on this list for more years now than I care to remember and many of you will remember answering my "sometimes" inane questions as I tried to learn as much as I could about Access. 
>
> I have built a number of Access database's over the years that continue to help me earn an income and many of you are a part of those databases with little snippets of code here and there. 
>
> I thank you all ....you know who you are.
>
> I am about to undergo a quadruple bypass (I thought it only happened to everyone else!!!!) and am suitably apprehensive (read apprehensive as BLOODY TERRIFIED) about the prospect. I have no doubt some of you have already experienced this too. 
>
> I run a small family business that is heavily dependant on the aforementioned Access databases and should the worst happen to me in the operation my 31 year old daughter Kristal will be trying to take my place as Access database builder to keep our business running. 
>
> She is a complete novice but I have just joined her on the list (in case) and have said she should make your aquaintance should she need to.
>
> I know you will render her any assistance she may need.
>
> Thanks people ....I hope to talk to you soon
>
> REgards
>
> Tom Keatley        
>   


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 15:09:28 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:09:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <E58509D406784B76B5448F91DCDBF9D7@SusanOne>
References: <JIECLJNJOMBJFEDLONCBKEHIFPAA.hkotsch@arcor.de>
	<E58509D406784B76B5448F91DCDBF9D7@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4a774454.0a04d00a.2759.ffff9cd9@mx.google.com>

Susan:

Some links may help


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Jet_Database_Engine  (Scroll down a
bit)

http://www.emsps.com/oldtools/msaccv.htm

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ms+access+versions+history&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-
8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

watch for word wrap

max


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 03 August 2009 20:58
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history

Isn't that the same as 2000 or 2002? 

Susan H. 


> How about Office XP?
> 
>  2010.
> 
> Jim. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Version history
> 
> I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of 
> versions for Access?
> 
> 1.0
> 1.1
> 2.0
> 95
> 97
> 2000
> 2002
> 2003
> 2007
> 
> Do I have them all?
> 
> Susan H. 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug  3 15:23:25 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:23:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm
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Yes John, VPC allows for access to a drive on a host machine.  You can
do this in a few ways.  First, you can map a local drive as a network
drive.  Essentially your NIC acts like a little router.  Second, with VM
Additions installed (something VPC can install on the virtual OS), you
can either setup a 'shared' folder (which shows up as a mapped drive in
the VM), or you can drag and drop files between the host and the client.

I did a little poking around last week, to see what the real differences
between VPC and VMWare were.  I found it interesting.  If you are going
to be using Microsoft OSes, VPC is a better platform.  Both VPC 2007 and
Virtual Server 2005 are free to download and use.  With VMWare, there
are several actually programs involved.  The only free ones are a
Viewer, and Server.  All the sites I perused had the general opinion
that VMWare was far more versatile, especially with non-MS OSes, but VPC
was optimized for MS OSes and being that it is free makes it all the
better.

Personally, I used VPC for quite some time before I ever played around
with Virtual Server.  I like both.  VPC is great for running a virtual
machine on your desktop, but virtual server is WAY cool by letting you
run them in the 'background'.

Drew

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Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 6:06 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] windows vm

Does anyone know if the Windows VM stuff allows the vm to access disk
drives on the host machine?

I use Windows Home Server, which runs over the top of Windows 2003.  I
have been using it 
successfully for well over a year, however it seems I overclocked my cpu
some time back and managed 
to damage the OS - it started rebooting on me.  By the time I discovered
the problem I had to do a 
reinstall.

I run MyMovies which is a third party add-in for Windows Media Center.
It uses a SQL Server 2005 
express database (very small, about 10 mbytes), which I had running on
the WHS server.  Now of 
course I have to rebuild that as well as other software I had installed
for the purpose of ripping 
my dvds to hard disk etc.

Since I have to reinstall, it occurred to me that if I placed that in a
VM (and it will run in a vm) 
then I can place the vm out in another drive and if the time ever comes
to move the database, it 
will be in a vm and be easily portable.

I tried to use VMWare.  While it does allow me to map a physical drive
to the vm and see it from 
inside the vm, for some reason it does not see all of the directories of
the host's drive and even 
those that it can see it cannot manipulate correctly.  Maaaaaybe it has
to do with the drive being 
1.5 gb, not sure.  At any rate, the software running in the vm needs to
be able to read (rip) dvds 
and store them on a physical drive on the host machine.

I am trying to get Microsoft's VM stuff set up but I know nothing about
it and before I get too 
deeply into this and discover it does not do this, I thought I'd ask.

So, can the VM see, read and write to a host drive or partition, which
is still visible to the host, 
i.e. either writing to the disk will not cause corruption.  In fact the
Windows Media Center does 
not write to the movies stuff but it does write to music files IIRC and
so I do not want any chance 
of corrupting stuff.

Anyone?

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug  3 15:26:14 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:26:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista
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VPC is compatible with Vista, but not the Home Edition.  Home editions
are the bane of the MS OSes!

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:40 PM
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Is there some equivalent to VPC 2007 that is compatible with Vista?

TIA

 

Rocky

 

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug  3 15:29:22 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:29:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
	tuition fees
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Could I sue that University for ever allowing her in, in the first
place? ;)

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college
for tuition fees

I'm suing my mother for not marrying a rich man.  Does that count?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven't descended to this, have
we.
> 
>  
> 
> Who can I sue?
> 
> My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?
> 
> My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?
> 
> My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be
giving me organic.
> 
> Ooo, don't start me off...
> 
>  
> 
> Max
> 
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug  3 15:31:18 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:31:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
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That's 2002.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Kotsch
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:40 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history

How about Office XP?

Helmut

-----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]Im Auftrag von Jim Dettman
Gesendet: Montag, 3. August 2009 21:33
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Betreff: Re: [AccessD] Version history



  2010.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:55 PM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Version history

I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of 
versions for Access?

1.0
1.1
2.0
95
97
2000
2002
2003
2007

Do I have them all?

Susan H. 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 15:31:19 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 21:31:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college
	for	tuition fees
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A3A@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>	<4A76F4D4.9060304@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A3A@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <4a774976.0707d00a.7216.6870@mx.google.com>

Yes,  go ahead.

Max


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 03 August 2009 21:29
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
tuition fees

Could I sue that University for ever allowing her in, in the first
place? ;)

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college
for tuition fees

I'm suing my mother for not marrying a rich man.  Does that count?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven't descended to this, have
we.
> 
>  
> 
> Who can I sue?
> 
> My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?
> 
> My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?
> 
> My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be
giving me organic.
> 
> Ooo, don't start me off...
> 
>  
> 
> Max
> 
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug  3 15:49:02 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 22:49:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
Message-ID: <sa776974.022@cactus.dk>

Hi Susan

2002 is just a nickname for XP. Thus:

1.0
1.1
2.0
95
97
2000
XP
2003
2007

So the poll is about if you know all versions or not? 
Or is this a new "10 things" story? 
  "Ten versions of Access you should know about". 
In that case it makes sense in two ways to include 2010 as Jim suggested.

Or your preferred version? I vote for 1.0 because it started the game.

/gustav


>>> ssharkins at gmail.com 03-08-2009 19:55 >>>
I'm running a poll on versions -- does anyone know the complete list of versions for Access?

1.0
1.1
2.0
95
97
2000
2002
2003
2007

Do I have them all?

Susan H. 





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 15:56:48 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:56:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
References: <sa776974.022@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>

No, just a vote for your all-time favorite version, so no, 2010 doesn't make 
the list yet. I never worked with 1.0, but I thought 2.0 was pretty cool. ;)

Susan H.

> Or your preferred version? I vote for 1.0 because it started the game.



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 16:00:00 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:00:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>
References: <sa776974.022@cactus.dk>
	<ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00908031400y70a077a5vacd52b906c6346a2@mail.gmail.com>

I vote for 2007.

The ribbons are awesome!


















NOT!

A97 for me :)
2003 second


On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, just a vote for your all-time favorite version, so no, 2010 doesn't
> make
> the list yet. I never worked with 1.0, but I thought 2.0 was pretty cool.
> ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
> > Or your preferred version? I vote for 1.0 because it started the game.
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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug  3 16:01:09 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:01:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>
References: <sa776974.022@cactus.dk>
	<ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A3C@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

My vote is for 97....never seen a better help file system! ;)

Drew

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history

No, just a vote for your all-time favorite version, so no, 2010 doesn't
make 
the list yet. I never worked with 1.0, but I thought 2.0 was pretty
cool. ;)

Susan H.

> Or your preferred version? I vote for 1.0 because it started the game.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 16:07:59 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:07:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
References: <sa776974.022@cactus.dk><ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>
	<8786a4c00908031400y70a077a5vacd52b906c6346a2@mail.gmail.com>
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>I vote for 2007.
> 
> The ribbons are awesome!

=========Okay... I wonder if I can keep you from voting... ;) 

Susan H. 


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 16:09:03 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 14:09:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>
References: <sa776974.022@cactus.dk>
	<ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAADA@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Can I vote twice?  Three times?  I've worked with all of them except
2007, which I merely struggled with and threw rocks at and 95, which I
tried, and ran screaming from.   I'd say Access 1.1 because it could be
programmed, Access 97 because it was a total workhorse, and 2002 because
it was another rock-solid product.  The others had a few elaborations
(and a lot of frustrations).

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history

No, just a vote for your all-time favorite version, so no, 2010 doesn't
make the list yet. I never worked with 1.0, but I thought 2.0 was pretty
cool. ;)

Susan H.

> Or your preferred version? I vote for 1.0 because it started the game.

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Aug  3 16:17:30 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:17:30 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>
References: <sa776974.022@cactus.dk>
	<ACE799F50ACC42B6ABCF0B7E74B2C132@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <004b01ca147f$d0e4ad10$72ae0730$@spb.ru>

1.1 was pretty stable and useful too.
2.0 brought quite some "headaches" because it forced to redo quite some data
manipulation coding. In the same time 2.0 introduced flexible run-time
manipulation/enumeration of MS Access objects...

1. 2003
2. 97
3. 2.0

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history

No, just a vote for your all-time favorite version, so no, 2010 doesn't make

the list yet. I never worked with 1.0, but I thought 2.0 was pretty cool. ;)

Susan H.

> Or your preferred version? I vote for 1.0 because it started the game.

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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Mon Aug  3 16:22:05 2009
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:22:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista
In-Reply-To: <B2ABDF9788FC44AFA988A3A6BA8BF9C9@HAL9005>
References: <E75615665BD0422BA74BDDCF752E6C23@HAL9005>	<A3B2FC87FFEB47E2ABC7A9EC64E78A2E@murphy3234aaf1>
	<B2ABDF9788FC44AFA988A3A6BA8BF9C9@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <005701ca1480$73931970$5ab94c50$@rr.com>

VMware workstation does that.

Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VPC for Vista

I'm looking for virtual machine software that will run on a Vista machine -
Vista as the host OS.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Murphy
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 3:37 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] VPC for Vista

Rocky,

What do you mean compatible with Vista. I run VMWare on Windows XP and have
a Vista virtual machine on it that I use for product testing.

Doug

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] VPC for Vista

Is there some equivalent to VPC 2007 that is compatible with Vista?

TIA

 

Rocky

 


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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 17:29:47 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:29:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (Bginfo was: Access-D Desktop)
In-Reply-To: <031501ca1462$34547060$9cfd5120$@net>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com><579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
	<031501ca1462$34547060$9cfd5120$@net>
Message-ID: <3F10D035FB544DBFBE08751FC08DDDB6@jislaptopdev>

John

I've sent a zipped file to both you and Max ...all you need to do is copy 
the directory intact to your hd and dbl click on the config file ...look at 
the custom fields and how they are supported ...once its configured to your 
satisfaction you'll want to put it in your login file or startup dir and put 
a "refresh" shortcut on your desktop or Quick Launch bar ...there is a 
sample shortcut in the zip.

I'm betting that even a hard head like Max can figure it out :)
...but if not, e me.

...if you need something you don't see, try the bginfo forum first ...then 
bing preferably for a wmi or vbs solution ...you can write and call scripts 
to write to a txt file or var which bginfo can then refer to ...even some of 
the scripts Max wrote for his hta could be used but I've tried to keep it 
simple ...those bloody Brits can't read English, eh :)

William

ps ...there are a large number of server scripts and gps for bginfo ...just 
bing for them.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:45 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] (Bginfo was: Access-D Desktop)

> Hi William,
> Would you care to share your bginfo config file with us? :o)
>
> John B.
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 17:34:05 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:34:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] (Bginfo was: Access-D Desktop)
In-Reply-To: <4a772466.1c07d00a.58e7.ffff8af3@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com>	<579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev><031501ca1462$34547060$9cfd5120$@net>
	<4a772466.1c07d00a.58e7.ffff8af3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A4377244BD3D41AF92A90B1F77A2207A@jislaptopdev>

...you've made one too many visits to the pub, you have ...this is simple 
stuff, eh
...after all, "I" made it work and Colby will testify that if I can do it, 
even a caveman can :)
...I've zipped a dir copy off to you ...do read the directions first, eh.

William
ps ...per list policy, any "me too" must be off list ...I will ignore any 
posted here.

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:53 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] (Bginfo was: Access-D Desktop)

> Now, that is a good question, 'cos frankly I am stumped!
>
> Can't even find it.  Just re-scaled my windows to see if it was hiding 
> round
> the corner, but no, it disappeared altogether.
>
> Not looking good William - help!
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of John Bartow
> Sent: 03 August 2009 18:46
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] (Bginfo was: Access-D Desktop)
>
> Hi William,
> Would you care to share your bginfo config file with us? :o)
>
> John B.
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 17:50:28 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 18:50:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a773c4d.0508d00a.650e.3d47@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com><579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
	<4a773c4d.0508d00a.650e.3d47@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D02409DDD1B9496DA16A5A3BB4A99EC1@jislaptopdev>

...hhhmm ...I refuse to play with outlook ...too many bad memories of this 
huge hog sucking up every system resource available and crashing things all 
about ...I swear to you my last bsod was an outlook screen and I since vowed 
to execute any user who dared to activate it.

...there are several vbs and wmi scripts in the zip I sent you ...the utc 
offsets need to be rewritten since the dst dates changed but I've not gotten 
around to it ...I'm sure the scripts can be optimized but much like Access, 
I don't claim to be a guru with either ...the "clocks" are simple date time 
fields offset from my local time zone ...since a refresh is required to 
update them, I thought graphics were way overkill ...besides which, as 
you'll note. there is a lot of info presented and users will only accept you 
writing on top of just so much of their wallpaper.

...if you use a wallpaper changer (I'm always amazed at the number of people 
who do) you'll need to change it to one that provides for a command line 
call between changes so that bginfo can be refreshed ...nonags has a good 
freebie that works.

...other than that, enjoy ...I started using this a few years back and have 
gradually added to it.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:35 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> Right then young man (William):
> You have set me a challenge with this BGInfo but I think I am getting
> somewhere.
> Here are  two CUSTOM VBS scripts that I have tested and work for me !!
> As Always,  watch for word wrap.
>
> Feedback appreciated + some indication of how you wrote the vbscript for 
> the
> clocks
>
> Max
>
>
> FIRST ONE:
> ' MyUnreadEmails.vbs
> 'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
> Const olFolderInbox = 6
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> objNamespace.Logon "Default Outlook Profile", , FALSE, TRUE
> Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
> Echo objFolder.UnreadItemCount
>
> SECOND ONE:
> ' MyOutlookDistributionLists.vbs
> 'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
> Const olFolderContacts = 10
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> Set colContacts = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts).Items
> intCount = colContacts.Count
> For i = 1 To intCount
>    If TypeName(colContacts.Item(i)) = "DistListItem" Then
>        Set objDistList = colContacts.Item(i)
>        Echo objDistList.DLName
>        For j = 1 To objDistList.MemberCount
> echo objDistList.GetMember(j).Name & " -- " &
> objDistList.GetMember(j).Address
>        Next
>       Echo ""
>    End If
> Next
>
> **END***
>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 18:02:17 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:02:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a7728a8.1c07d00a.141d.3cde@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com><579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>	<4a771c49.1c07d00a.7c0b.4178@mx.google.com><912C78F63903498998432205038507B8@jislaptopdev>
	<4a7728a8.1c07d00a.141d.3cde@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <32CD41A55D834FF1A018F13AFE538D66@jislaptopdev>

...I use a vbs script for each of the "clocks" I wanted using the old Now() 
function plus an offset and some simple dst tracking code ...the custom 
field wizard really offers you an almost limitless ability to display 
anything you want ...once it dawns on you that ANY vbs, WMI, environment, or 
text field can be scripted, the door is wide open.

...as for the fm, there is a "print" button at the bottom of the help file 
page ...amazingly, it prints the fm :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:11 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> Tinfm
>
> How do I get the clock and time zones. There is no list of gadgets etc to
> add, just the basic of system stuff.
>
> Max
> Tinfm - There is NO F. Manual...There isn't even an icon, or a clickable
> link.  You have to run the install exe each time.  Shiver me timbers, 
> Jack!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 03 August 2009 19:07
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop
>
> ...rtfm!!!!! :)
>
> ...when it opens there is a "time remaining" countdown in the upper right
> ...click on it to stop the countdown.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 1:18 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
>
>> How do I open it to make changes.  When I installed it, it ran for about 
>> 5
>> seconds and before I could  do anything, it had exited  leaving stuff on
>> my
>> screen. There is nothing in the Start/Prgms under BGInfo or Sysinternals.
>> How do I access it again.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
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>>
>
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From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 18:08:36 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:08:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a772c0b.0a04d00a.042d.1ee2@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com><4A6C94C2.14977.13AF607E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6cabed.0707d00a.1ed6.ffff898d@mx.google.com><4A6CCDD3.4709.148E4C57@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><4a6d528b.0a04d00a.30e5.7448@mx.google.com><4A6D7DAA.3090804@colbyconsulting.com>	<cda8f54e0907270412h37a0aa5g99c560b3e6460e43@mail.gmail.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E3@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4A6DD960.8090108@colbyconsulting.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B2024479E7@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com><712D284FF1F641D78A57F2D558ED952E@BPCS>	<4a7688f1.1c05d00a.69ff.0fdd@mx.google.com><831C7455EE944A559A27774D26108688@BPCS>
	<4a772c0b.0a04d00a.042d.1ee2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5A2A4D7B0D6B4E0F8C957A9CBDDAE7F4@jislaptopdev>

...uh huh ...take a look in the zip at my vbs script to show all my 
hds/size/free space in neat columns ...I'm still quite proud of that one 
...I've got a fancier version that uses if/then/else to post different 
colored scripts if the free space or hd temp get out of safe zones but I'm 
not happy with the refresh time it uses.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:25 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop

> All sorted now Bill.  Unlike some other systems I won't mention....ahem!
>
> I have just done another .hta to show all space on local logical drives.
>
> Quite good fun .hta's
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> Sent: 03 August 2009 18:30
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop
>
> Max,
>
> Not sure why it doesn't work, I'm assuming you removed the word wraps or 
> you
>
> would have had error messages.
>
> Our machines are similar except you have 3 logical processors???
>
> I added the wrapper below to the GetSystem and ran it in an XP machine, 
> and
> the memory part worked fine. I had some errors with word.Application but
> ignored them and got 1 GB.
>
> if inStr(OSVersion.InnerHTML, "Vista") > 0 then
>    GetSystem
> end if
>
> I love the clocks, added Paris and Christchurch (NZ) and really don't need
> the other stuff as SIW works for me.
>
> Thanks for sharing
>
> Bill
>
> My Vista...
> Operating System MicrosoftR Windows VistaT Ultimate 6.0.6002
> Service Pack (Major.Minor) 2.0
> Computer Type SOHO Server
> Physical No. of Processors Physical: 1
> Logical No. of Processors Logical: 4
> Architecture Type Architecture: 9(x64)
> HyperThreading Architecture This is a hyperthreading architecture.
> Total Physical Memory 4 GB
> System Rating Scores:-
> Processor 5.9
> Memory 5.5
> Primary Hard Disk 5.5
> Graphics 5.9
> Gaming Graphic 5.5
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:51 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop
>
> Bill, delighted that you had fun with it.  I am going to see what else I 
> can
> do with it.
> Your memory code did not work for me.  Not sure why, but it just "hangs".
>
> My system (Taken from my Desktop.hta screen -Tarah!) shows:
>
> Operating System MicrosoftR Windows VistaT Home Premium 6.0.6002
> Service Pack (Major.Minor) 2.0
> Computer Type Desktop
> Physical No. of Processors Physical: 1
> Logical No. of Processors Logical: 3
> Architecture Type Architecture: 9 (x64)
> HyperThreading Architecture This is a hyperthreading architecture.
> Total Physical Memory
>
> System Rating Scores:-
> Processor 5.5
> Memory 5.9
> Primary Hard Disk 5.9
> Graphics 5.9
> Gaming Graphic 5.4
>
> If you can make any sense of that, please let me know. I would like to be
> able to show memory.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bill Patten
> Sent: 03 August 2009 00:44
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access-D Desktop
>
> Max
>
> Way cool.
>
> I found a bunch of problems because of word wrap I guess, I learned a lot
> about scripting while playing with them. . I also fixed the
> total Physical Memory thing. Removed the rem's from the get memory call 
> and
> replaced the code in
> get memory with this.
>
>
> sub GetMemory
>    strComputer = "."
>     Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> "\root\cimv2")
>     Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("Select * from
> Win32_ComputerSystem")
>     For Each subItem in colItems
>        MyMemory.InnerHTML = int((subItem.TotalPhysicalMemory + 1023)
> /1000000000 ) & " GB"
>     Next
> end sub
>
>
> I won't tell how much time I spent "learning this"  <grin>  but it was fun
> learning.
>
> Bill
>
>
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>
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>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 18:11:36 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:11:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <4a773c4d.0508d00a.650e.3d47@mx.google.com>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com><579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev>
	<4a773c4d.0508d00a.650e.3d47@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AB1F68A2DF8F48888E8335221C98831E@jislaptopdev>

...urk ...your isp refused the attachment ...what now?

...it was only a 400kb zip ...what's up with that?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:35 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> Right then young man (William):
> You have set me a challenge with this BGInfo but I think I am getting
> somewhere.
> Here are  two CUSTOM VBS scripts that I have tested and work for me !!
> As Always,  watch for word wrap.
>
> Feedback appreciated + some indication of how you wrote the vbscript for 
> the
> clocks
>
> Max
>
>
> FIRST ONE:
> ' MyUnreadEmails.vbs
> 'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
> Const olFolderInbox = 6
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> objNamespace.Logon "Default Outlook Profile", , FALSE, TRUE
> Set objFolder = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
> Echo objFolder.UnreadItemCount
>
> SECOND ONE:
> ' MyOutlookDistributionLists.vbs
> 'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
> Const olFolderContacts = 10
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI")
> Set colContacts = objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts).Items
> intCount = colContacts.Count
> For i = 1 To intCount
>    If TypeName(colContacts.Item(i)) = "DistListItem" Then
>        Set objDistList = colContacts.Item(i)
>        Echo objDistList.DLName
>        For j = 1 To objDistList.MemberCount
> echo objDistList.GetMember(j).Name & " -- " &
> objDistList.GetMember(j).Address
>        Next
>       Echo ""
>    End If
> Next
>
> **END***
>
>
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug  3 18:16:26 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:16:26 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <AB1F68A2DF8F48888E8335221C98831E@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com><579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev><4a773c4d.0508d00a.650e.3d47@mx.google.com>
	<AB1F68A2DF8F48888E8335221C98831E@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAAE8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Try removing the zip extension from the attachment file name before
attaching.  I've run into problems with gmail trying to receive or send
zip files, especially with an executable in them.  

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
Hindman
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:12 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop

...urk ...your isp refused the attachment ...what now?

...it was only a 400kb zip ...what's up with that?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:35 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> Right then young man (William):
> You have set me a challenge with this BGInfo but I think I am getting 
> somewhere.
> Here are  two CUSTOM VBS scripts that I have tested and work for me !!
> As Always,  watch for word wrap.
>
> Feedback appreciated + some indication of how you wrote the vbscript 
> for the clocks
>
> Max
>
>
> FIRST ONE:
> ' MyUnreadEmails.vbs
> 'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
> Const olFolderInbox = 6
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI") objNamespace.Logon 
> "Default Outlook Profile", , FALSE, TRUE Set objFolder = 
> objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
> Echo objFolder.UnreadItemCount
>
> SECOND ONE:
> ' MyOutlookDistributionLists.vbs
> 'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
> Const olFolderContacts = 10
> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
> Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI") Set colContacts = 
> objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts).Items
> intCount = colContacts.Count
> For i = 1 To intCount
>    If TypeName(colContacts.Item(i)) = "DistListItem" Then
>        Set objDistList = colContacts.Item(i)
>        Echo objDistList.DLName
>        For j = 1 To objDistList.MemberCount echo 
> objDistList.GetMember(j).Name & " -- " & 
> objDistList.GetMember(j).Address
>        Next
>       Echo ""
>    End If
> Next
>
> **END***
>
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From miscellany at mvps.org  Tue Aug  4 03:21:14 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:21:14 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
In-Reply-To: <sa776974.022@cactus.dk>
References: <sa776974.022@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <952C359C79544FD48C5A0D6CAF30B7F7@stevePC>

Gustav,

I'm pretty certain it's the other way around...  XP was sometimes used as a
nickname for Access 2002.  This was because it came as part of Office XP,
but the component products within the Office suite were never officially
named XP.

On the other hand, Access 95 was a nickname for Access 7.0, or I think
originally the full official title was Access 7.0 for Windows 95.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:49 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history

> Hi Susan
>
> 2002 is just a nickname for XP. Thus:
>
> 1.0
> 1.1
> 2.0
> 95
> 97
> 2000
> XP
> 2003
> 2007
>
 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Aug  4 05:00:02 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 06:00:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAAE8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <4A6A6315.1050107@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a758f0b.0702d00a.2fd9.32e3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A75D053.9040609@colbyconsulting.com><4A75FE30.20696.38733DD3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a760398.0a1ad00a.4a2c.ffffe73b@mx.google.com><2C2EDE4CA66D45378C3C6AC884A10B5E@jislaptopdev>	<4a76858b.1818d00a.18f8.3a29@mx.google.com><579FB88BD576406E91413EF50842E324@jislaptopdev><4a773c4d.0508d00a.650e.3d47@mx.google.com><AB1F68A2DF8F48888E8335221C98831E@jislaptopdev>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAAE8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <301B90AE2555463A99169AE4406EBBD0@jislaptopdev>

...that did the trick ...tks

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Charlotte Foust" <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:16 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop

> Try removing the zip extension from the attachment file name before
> attaching.  I've run into problems with gmail trying to receive or send
> zip files, especially with an executable in them.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William
> Hindman
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 4:12 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Access-D Desktop
>
> ...urk ...your isp refused the attachment ...what now?
>
> ...it was only a 400kb zip ...what's up with that?
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 3:35 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Access-D Desktop
>
>> Right then young man (William):
>> You have set me a challenge with this BGInfo but I think I am getting
>> somewhere.
>> Here are  two CUSTOM VBS scripts that I have tested and work for me !!
>> As Always,  watch for word wrap.
>>
>> Feedback appreciated + some indication of how you wrote the vbscript
>> for the clocks
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> FIRST ONE:
>> ' MyUnreadEmails.vbs
>> 'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
>> Const olFolderInbox = 6
>> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>> Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI") objNamespace.Logon
>> "Default Outlook Profile", , FALSE, TRUE Set objFolder =
>> objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderInbox)
>> Echo objFolder.UnreadItemCount
>>
>> SECOND ONE:
>> ' MyOutlookDistributionLists.vbs
>> 'Max Sherman - 3 Aug 09 - for BGInfo
>> Const olFolderContacts = 10
>> Set objOutlook = CreateObject("Outlook.Application")
>> Set objNamespace = objOutlook.GetNamespace("MAPI") Set colContacts =
>> objNamespace.GetDefaultFolder(olFolderContacts).Items
>> intCount = colContacts.Count
>> For i = 1 To intCount
>>    If TypeName(colContacts.Item(i)) = "DistListItem" Then
>>        Set objDistList = colContacts.Item(i)
>>        Echo objDistList.DLName
>>        For j = 1 To objDistList.MemberCount echo
>> objDistList.GetMember(j).Name & " -- " &
>> objDistList.GetMember(j).Address
>>        Next
>>       Echo ""
>>    End If
>> Next
>>
>> **END***
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug  4 05:12:11 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:12:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Version history
Message-ID: <sa7825a8.027@cactus.dk>

Hi Steve

You may be right. My cd-roms read XP all over, but also have a little "Version 2002" - and the install message box is titled Office XP, but the about box states Access 2002.
The splash screen of Access is hardly to be noticed on my machine so I cannot read it.

/gustav


>>> miscellany at mvps.org 04-08-2009 10:21 >>>
Gustav,

I'm pretty certain it's the other way around...  XP was sometimes used as a
nickname for Access 2002.  This was because it came as part of Office XP,
but the component products within the Office suite were never officially
named XP.

On the other hand, Access 95 was a nickname for Access 7.0, or I think
originally the full official title was Access 7.0 for Windows 95.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 8:49 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Version history

> Hi Susan
>
> 2002 is just a nickname for XP. Thus:
>
> 1.0
> 1.1
> 2.0
> 95
> 97
> 2000
> XP
> 2003
> 2007




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 10:00:32 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:00:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
Message-ID: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>

I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is to add a web page that can 
then be accessed from outside of your network.  To see the public face just go to

Colby.Homeserver.com

It ended up being fairly trivial to get that working, three port forwarding entries in the router 
and allowing WHS software to do something to the router (scary when you haven't a clue what that 
something is).  WHS uses IIS to then serve up this web page.  Log-in allows users that you define to 
see shares on the server.  Typically it is used to share photos and video, but it can really be any 
directory share in a certain path on WHS, all set up by user / password / directory / rights.  Oh, 
and it also allows a remote access to other machines on the network, though I haven't gotten there yet.

Anyway...

The access to the shared directory is usable but crude, photos have to be "downloaded" and displayed 
in an application of your choice on the remote computer.

So someone came up with an add-in called WHIIST which allows you to create a photo album where you 
simply create directories and then drag and drop photos into directories, again in a path specific 
to this album, and voila, the visitor sees photos that you place there.  To give you a taste of how 
this works I have created a temporary user / password:

User: AccessD
PW: ^6tfc%5rdx

Go to:

colby.Homeserver.com

and login to see the shared directory where you can add, delete and modify anything in that directory.

which you can use to access specific directories and see some photos at:

colby.homeserver.com/AccessD


Give it a whirl.  I will be taking this AccessD user down in a day or two so try it now if you want 
to see what WHS and WHIIST can do.

This whole AccessD thing took about 20 minutes to get working using this WHIIST add-in.

I have created my own custom user for my extended family, and placed a huge quantity of photos out 
there.  What would be really nice is to be able to add captions etc and that is where this WHIIST 
add-in stops short.  It is EXTREMELY easy to set up, create directories for "albums", drag photos 
in, and you are done... but what you see is what you get.

OTOH, this web page is just an IIS creation and so I should be able to find some other tool for 
creating photo albums which has more flexibility.  Which brings me to the my question, do any of you 
folks use an album widget on a web page which has the ability to add captions and such.  I am not 
into complexity so if it is a lot of work I will just stay with what I have.  The photos are the 
objective, captions are just icing, which I would like, but not if the cost is too high.

Thanks,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 10:19:19 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:19:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a7851f2.0508d00a.650e.ffff9fce@mx.google.com>

Well, I got on ok. Couldn't do too much because of the slow connection I
have - I could write a MDB in the time it takes to navigate pages...
It looks good. Is that a freebie from MS. Does it have a Forum?
Will you be leaving it available for us Listers to transfer files?

Ta mucho

Max
Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like "John"



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 04 August 2009 16:01
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album

I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is to
add a web page that can 
then be accessed from outside of your network.  To see the public face just
go to

Colby.Homeserver.com

It ended up being fairly trivial to get that working, three port forwarding
entries in the router 
and allowing WHS software to do something to the router (scary when you
haven't a clue what that 
something is).  WHS uses IIS to then serve up this web page.  Log-in allows
users that you define to 
see shares on the server.  Typically it is used to share photos and video,
but it can really be any 
directory share in a certain path on WHS, all set up by user / password /
directory / rights.  Oh, 
and it also allows a remote access to other machines on the network, though
I haven't gotten there yet.

Anyway...

The access to the shared directory is usable but crude, photos have to be
"downloaded" and displayed 
in an application of your choice on the remote computer.

So someone came up with an add-in called WHIIST which allows you to create a
photo album where you 
simply create directories and then drag and drop photos into directories,
again in a path specific 
to this album, and voila, the visitor sees photos that you place there.  To
give you a taste of how 
this works I have created a temporary user / password:

User: AccessD
PW: ^6tfc%5rdx

Go to:

colby.Homeserver.com

and login to see the shared directory where you can add, delete and modify
anything in that directory.

which you can use to access specific directories and see some photos at:

colby.homeserver.com/AccessD


Give it a whirl.  I will be taking this AccessD user down in a day or two so
try it now if you want 
to see what WHS and WHIIST can do.

This whole AccessD thing took about 20 minutes to get working using this
WHIIST add-in.

I have created my own custom user for my extended family, and placed a huge
quantity of photos out 
there.  What would be really nice is to be able to add captions etc and that
is where this WHIIST 
add-in stops short.  It is EXTREMELY easy to set up, create directories for
"albums", drag photos 
in, and you are done... but what you see is what you get.

OTOH, this web page is just an IIS creation and so I should be able to find
some other tool for 
creating photo albums which has more flexibility.  Which brings me to the my
question, do any of you 
folks use an album widget on a web page which has the ability to add
captions and such.  I am not 
into complexity so if it is a lot of work I will just stay with what I have.
The photos are the 
objective, captions are just icing, which I would like, but not if the cost
is too high.

Thanks,

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us  Tue Aug  4 11:24:47 2009
From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:24:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>

 
A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
seconds.  Thanks, JC

Ed Tesiny
EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album

I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
network.  To see the public face just go to




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 11:28:49 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:28:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4a7851f2.0508d00a.650e.ffff9fce@mx.google.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4a7851f2.0508d00a.650e.ffff9fce@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7861C1.20109@colbyconsulting.com>

Max,

 > Is that a freebie from MS. Does it have a Forum?

WHS is not free.  This remote login is a part of WHS, so once you have WHS that part is free.

WHIST is a freebie.  That is an Add-In to WHS which creates the photo album.  Even without WHIIST 
you can set up password protected shared directories.

 > Will you be leaving it available for us Listers to transfer files?

I could do that I suppose.  I am not really sure what kind of security issues I create with these 
user / password stuff.  After all this is a shared directory / user on my WHS server.  And the 
username / password becomes part of google history if you know what I mean.
 >
 > Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like "John"

ROTFL.  Unfortunately WHS REQUIRES a certain difficulty level for the password or it will not allow 
you to turn on remote access.  There are 4 properties that can make up the difficulty.

1) MUST contain 7 characters
2) Must contain 3 out of 4 of the following:
a) Special Characters
b) Numbers
c) Upper case letters
d) Lower case letters.

So I MUST have three of the difficulty "properties and it must be 7 characters or it will not allow 
that user to log in.

Now look carefully at my password and you will see that it uses:

Special characters
Numbers
Lower case letters

Beyond that it is a simple "drag your finger down the keyboard in a line..." kind of thing.

Given the "requirements" for the password, what password would you like to have?  Shall we have a 
"suggest the easiest to remember password" contest?  The winner gets... are you ready... to use his 
password...

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Well, I got on ok. Couldn't do too much because of the slow connection I
> have - I could write a MDB in the time it takes to navigate pages...
> It looks good. Is that a freebie from MS. Does it have a Forum?
> Will you be leaving it available for us Listers to transfer files?
> 
> Ta mucho
> 
> Max
> Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like "John"
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 04 August 2009 16:01
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is to
> add a web page that can 
> then be accessed from outside of your network.  To see the public face just
> go to
> 
> Colby.Homeserver.com
> 
> It ended up being fairly trivial to get that working, three port forwarding
> entries in the router 
> and allowing WHS software to do something to the router (scary when you
> haven't a clue what that 
> something is).  WHS uses IIS to then serve up this web page.  Log-in allows
> users that you define to 
> see shares on the server.  Typically it is used to share photos and video,
> but it can really be any 
> directory share in a certain path on WHS, all set up by user / password /
> directory / rights.  Oh, 
> and it also allows a remote access to other machines on the network, though
> I haven't gotten there yet.
> 
> Anyway...
> 
> The access to the shared directory is usable but crude, photos have to be
> "downloaded" and displayed 
> in an application of your choice on the remote computer.
> 
> So someone came up with an add-in called WHIIST which allows you to create a
> photo album where you 
> simply create directories and then drag and drop photos into directories,
> again in a path specific 
> to this album, and voila, the visitor sees photos that you place there.  To
> give you a taste of how 
> this works I have created a temporary user / password:
> 
> User: AccessD
> PW: ^6tfc%5rdx
> 
> Go to:
> 
> colby.Homeserver.com
> 
> and login to see the shared directory where you can add, delete and modify
> anything in that directory.
> 
> which you can use to access specific directories and see some photos at:
> 
> colby.homeserver.com/AccessD
> 
> 
> Give it a whirl.  I will be taking this AccessD user down in a day or two so
> try it now if you want 
> to see what WHS and WHIIST can do.
> 
> This whole AccessD thing took about 20 minutes to get working using this
> WHIIST add-in.
> 
> I have created my own custom user for my extended family, and placed a huge
> quantity of photos out 
> there.  What would be really nice is to be able to add captions etc and that
> is where this WHIIST 
> add-in stops short.  It is EXTREMELY easy to set up, create directories for
> "albums", drag photos 
> in, and you are done... but what you see is what you get.
> 
> OTOH, this web page is just an IIS creation and so I should be able to find
> some other tool for 
> creating photo albums which has more flexibility.  Which brings me to the my
> question, do any of you 
> folks use an album widget on a web page which has the ability to add
> captions and such.  I am not 
> into complexity so if it is a lot of work I will just stay with what I have.
> The photos are the 
> objective, captions are just icing, which I would like, but not if the cost
> is too high.
> 
> Thanks,
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 11:43:09 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:43:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A7861C1.20109@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a7851f2.0508d00a.650e.ffff9fce@mx.google.com>
	<4A7861C1.20109@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a7865b1.0a1ad00a.577f.02ad@mx.google.com>

1. How much is WHS?
2. How about Johns#1

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 04 August 2009 17:29
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album

Max,

 > Is that a freebie from MS. Does it have a Forum?

WHS is not free.  This remote login is a part of WHS, so once you have WHS
that part is free.

WHIST is a freebie.  That is an Add-In to WHS which creates the photo album.
Even without WHIIST 
you can set up password protected shared directories.

 > Will you be leaving it available for us Listers to transfer files?

I could do that I suppose.  I am not really sure what kind of security
issues I create with these 
user / password stuff.  After all this is a shared directory / user on my
WHS server.  And the 
username / password becomes part of google history if you know what I mean.
 >
 > Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like "John"

ROTFL.  Unfortunately WHS REQUIRES a certain difficulty level for the
password or it will not allow 
you to turn on remote access.  There are 4 properties that can make up the
difficulty.

1) MUST contain 7 characters
2) Must contain 3 out of 4 of the following:
a) Special Characters
b) Numbers
c) Upper case letters
d) Lower case letters.

So I MUST have three of the difficulty "properties and it must be 7
characters or it will not allow 
that user to log in.

Now look carefully at my password and you will see that it uses:

Special characters
Numbers
Lower case letters

Beyond that it is a simple "drag your finger down the keyboard in a line..."
kind of thing.

Given the "requirements" for the password, what password would you like to
have?  Shall we have a 
"suggest the easiest to remember password" contest?  The winner gets... are
you ready... to use his 
password...

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Well, I got on ok. Couldn't do too much because of the slow connection I
> have - I could write a MDB in the time it takes to navigate pages...
> It looks good. Is that a freebie from MS. Does it have a Forum?
> Will you be leaving it available for us Listers to transfer files?
> 
> Ta mucho
> 
> Max
> Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like "John"
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 04 August 2009 16:01
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is to
> add a web page that can 
> then be accessed from outside of your network.  To see the public face
just
> go to
> 
> Colby.Homeserver.com
> 
> It ended up being fairly trivial to get that working, three port
forwarding
> entries in the router 
> and allowing WHS software to do something to the router (scary when you
> haven't a clue what that 
> something is).  WHS uses IIS to then serve up this web page.  Log-in
allows
> users that you define to 
> see shares on the server.  Typically it is used to share photos and video,
> but it can really be any 
> directory share in a certain path on WHS, all set up by user / password /
> directory / rights.  Oh, 
> and it also allows a remote access to other machines on the network,
though
> I haven't gotten there yet.
> 
> Anyway...
> 
> The access to the shared directory is usable but crude, photos have to be
> "downloaded" and displayed 
> in an application of your choice on the remote computer.
> 
> So someone came up with an add-in called WHIIST which allows you to create
a
> photo album where you 
> simply create directories and then drag and drop photos into directories,
> again in a path specific 
> to this album, and voila, the visitor sees photos that you place there.
To
> give you a taste of how 
> this works I have created a temporary user / password:
> 
> User: AccessD
> PW: ^6tfc%5rdx
> 
> Go to:
> 
> colby.Homeserver.com
> 
> and login to see the shared directory where you can add, delete and modify
> anything in that directory.
> 
> which you can use to access specific directories and see some photos at:
> 
> colby.homeserver.com/AccessD
> 
> 
> Give it a whirl.  I will be taking this AccessD user down in a day or two
so
> try it now if you want 
> to see what WHS and WHIIST can do.
> 
> This whole AccessD thing took about 20 minutes to get working using this
> WHIIST add-in.
> 
> I have created my own custom user for my extended family, and placed a
huge
> quantity of photos out 
> there.  What would be really nice is to be able to add captions etc and
that
> is where this WHIIST 
> add-in stops short.  It is EXTREMELY easy to set up, create directories
for
> "albums", drag photos 
> in, and you are done... but what you see is what you get.
> 
> OTOH, this web page is just an IIS creation and so I should be able to
find
> some other tool for 
> creating photo albums which has more flexibility.  Which brings me to the
my
> question, do any of you 
> folks use an album widget on a web page which has the ability to add
> captions and such.  I am not 
> into complexity so if it is a lot of work I will just stay with what I
have.
> The photos are the 
> objective, captions are just icing, which I would like, but not if the
cost
> is too high.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
-- 
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 11:51:54 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:51:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
Message-ID: <4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>

 > A little slow but not bad.

The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download speeds.  Uploads (from my end to 
you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit / sec.  So for you to see 
the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of posting something up to the 
directory.

That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or about 6 seconds.  that is the 
FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end, other uses of the bandwidth 
at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more like the 6 second mark 
though.

It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere in IIS.  As I said I just 
threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.

Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Tesiny, Ed wrote:
>  
> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
> seconds.  Thanks, JC
> 
> Ed Tesiny
> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
> network.  To see the public face just go to
> 
> 


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Aug  4 12:20:24 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:20:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>

...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely some 
throttling going on at your end.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album

> > A little slow but not bad.
>
> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download 
> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit / 
> sec.  So for you to see
> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of 
> posting something up to the
> directory.
>
> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or 
> about 6 seconds.  that is the
> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end, 
> other uses of the bandwidth
> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more 
> like the 6 second mark
> though.
>
> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere 
> in IIS.  As I said I just
> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>
> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
>>
>> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
>> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
>> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
>> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
>> seconds.  Thanks, JC
>>
>> Ed Tesiny
>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>
>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
>> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
>> network.  To see the public face just go to
>>
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 12:47:30 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:47:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4a7865b1.0a1ad00a.577f.02ad@mx.google.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a7851f2.0508d00a.650e.ffff9fce@mx.google.com>	<4A7861C1.20109@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4a7865b1.0a1ad00a.577f.02ad@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A787432.8060203@colbyconsulting.com>

Max,

You are in England IIRC so I cannot comment on prices there, however it is possible to buy WHS as a 
computer with the OS installed.  After that price depends on options.  These tend to be tightly 
controlled (by the manufacturer) and in general the only options are the number / size of the 
drives, and MAYBE the amount of RAM.

I never even considered doing that because the systems at the time I got into this were 
reaaaaallllyyyy wimpy, i.e. (IIRC) Celeron 1 ghz with 500 megs of ram.  It appears that in the years 
since the manufacturers have seen the errors of their ways and upped the power and memory, thouth 
still nothing to write home about.

I understand Newegg is not an option for you guys.  However this should give you a feeling for 
what's out there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=whs&x=0&y=0

For anyone who is tech savvy, I do NOT recommend buying the pre-built server.

I built my own, and bought WHS as an EOM software package from Newegg.  I ended up using spare parts 
I had laying around at first and then over time upgrading.  My current WHS is a quad core AMD 9550 
with 4 gigs of ram, a RAID 5 two terrabyte array with hardware controller (soon to be RAID 6), with 
a pair of 1.5 tbyte drives not assigned to WHS for storing my ripped videos.  Quad core is overkill 
no doubt but I upgraded a server to a more powerful quad core chip and so I had one hanging around.

I also run MyMovies on this

http://www.mymovies.dk/

which uses SQL Server Lite (tiny little database, about 10 mbytes so far) for the MyMovies metadata 
storage.  My WHS server has two published shared drives (the entire two drives not assigned to WHS) 
which my TV in the living room (Windows Media Center) can pull the ripped videos off of using 
MyMovies to select the video to watch.

And of course, now, the photo albums published to the internet for my extended family using WHIIST:

http://www.andrewgrant.org/whiist

BTW it is possible for family members to upload their own photos over the internet if you allow 
that, so a single WHS server at the home of a tech savvy person with high speed internet could be a 
repository for the entire family.

Only one big gotcha, there can be a maximum of 10 users, which includes machines in your home being 
backed up etc.  That is a limitation imposed by WHS to keep this from becoming a Business home 
server.  ;)  In fact WHS is a shell application over a full on Windows 2003 X32 (SBS so I have heard).

Limited users shouldn't be a biggie if the family shares a single or a few usernames / passwords.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> 1. How much is WHS?
> 2. How about Johns#1
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 04 August 2009 17:29
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
> Max,
> 
>  > Is that a freebie from MS. Does it have a Forum?
> 
> WHS is not free.  This remote login is a part of WHS, so once you have WHS
> that part is free.
> 
> WHIST is a freebie.  That is an Add-In to WHS which creates the photo album.
> Even without WHIIST 
> you can set up password protected shared directories.
> 
>  > Will you be leaving it available for us Listers to transfer files?
> 
> I could do that I suppose.  I am not really sure what kind of security
> issues I create with these 
> user / password stuff.  After all this is a shared directory / user on my
> WHS server.  And the 
> username / password becomes part of google history if you know what I mean.
>  >
>  > Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like "John"
> 
> ROTFL.  Unfortunately WHS REQUIRES a certain difficulty level for the
> password or it will not allow 
> you to turn on remote access.  There are 4 properties that can make up the
> difficulty.
> 
> 1) MUST contain 7 characters
> 2) Must contain 3 out of 4 of the following:
> a) Special Characters
> b) Numbers
> c) Upper case letters
> d) Lower case letters.
> 
> So I MUST have three of the difficulty "properties and it must be 7
> characters or it will not allow 
> that user to log in.
> 
> Now look carefully at my password and you will see that it uses:
> 
> Special characters
> Numbers
> Lower case letters
> 
> Beyond that it is a simple "drag your finger down the keyboard in a line..."
> kind of thing.
> 
> Given the "requirements" for the password, what password would you like to
> have?  Shall we have a 
> "suggest the easiest to remember password" contest?  The winner gets... are
> you ready... to use his 
> password...
> 
> ;)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> Well, I got on ok. Couldn't do too much because of the slow connection I
>> have - I could write a MDB in the time it takes to navigate pages...
>> It looks good. Is that a freebie from MS. Does it have a Forum?
>> Will you be leaving it available for us Listers to transfer files?
>>
>> Ta mucho
>>
>> Max
>> Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like "John"



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Aug  4 12:47:21 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:47:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <523C3D45373F4EB98F4997B952D7A0C7@jislaptopdev>

...just a follow-up jc ...seeing that same throttle on everything I dl from 
your WHS site.
...your colbyconsulting.com site is much faster

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:20 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album

> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely some
> throttling going on at your end.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>
>> > A little slow but not bad.
>>
>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit /
>> sec.  So for you to see
>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
>> posting something up to the
>> directory.
>>
>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or
>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
>> other uses of the bandwidth
>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected 
>> more
>> like the 6 second mark
>> though.
>>
>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere
>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>
>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
>>>
>>> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
>>> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
>>> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
>>> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
>>> seconds.  Thanks, JC
>>>
>>> Ed Tesiny
>>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>
>>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
>>> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
>>> network.  To see the public face just go to
>>>
>>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 12:49:00 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:49:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know where to go to unleash the beast?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely some 
> throttling going on at your end.
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
>>> A little slow but not bad.
>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download 
>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit / 
>> sec.  So for you to see
>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of 
>> posting something up to the
>> directory.
>>
>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or 
>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end, 
>> other uses of the bandwidth
>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more 
>> like the 6 second mark
>> though.
>>
>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere 
>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>
>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 12:55:08 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:55:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4A7875FC.4090207@colbyconsulting.com>

I looked in IIS and the Performance tab / Limit total network bandwidth is NOT checked, so it isn't 
that.  And I do have some rather serious hardware behind this so that is probably not it either.

I wonder if my service provider can throttle me?  I am on cable, 5 mbit down / .5 mbit up.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely some 
> throttling going on at your end.
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
>>> A little slow but not bad.
>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download 
>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit / 
>> sec.  So for you to see
>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of 
>> posting something up to the
>> directory.
>>
>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or 
>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end, 
>> other uses of the bandwidth
>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more 
>> like the 6 second mark
>> though.
>>
>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere 
>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>
>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
>>> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
>>> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
>>> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
>>> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
>>> seconds.  Thanks, JC
>>>
>>> Ed Tesiny
>>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>
>>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
>>> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
>>> network.  To see the public face just go to
>>>
>>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> 


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Aug  4 13:07:48 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:07:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>
	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>

JC

...assuming IIS 7

...open the IIS Manager window ...select your server in the Connections pane 
...on you Home Page you should have a Media Services pane ...check if there 
is a Bit Rate Throttling icon below it ...if the extension is installed, 
that's could be the issue if you added jpg to its mime types

...else check you performance pane to see if you are throttling the 
bandwidth itself.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:49 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album

> Does anyone know where to go to unleash the beast?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely 
>> some
>> throttling going on at your end.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>
>>>> A little slow but not bad.
>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit 
>>> /
>>> sec.  So for you to see
>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
>>> posting something up to the
>>> directory.
>>>
>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or
>>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
>>> other uses of the bandwidth
>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected 
>>> more
>>> like the 6 second mark
>>> though.
>>>
>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere
>>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>
>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 13:11:47 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:11:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <523C3D45373F4EB98F4997B952D7A0C7@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us><4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>	<85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>
	<523C3D45373F4EB98F4997B952D7A0C7@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4A7879E3.7070909@colbyconsulting.com>

Yes, but colbyconsulting.com is a hosted site with gigabit connections to the internet.  This is a 
server running in my office connecting over my cable connection to the internet.

I expect this to be much slower than my company web site.  This is first and foremost an internal 
server to my office with a very limited connection to the outside world.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...just a follow-up jc ...seeing that same throttle on everything I dl from 
> your WHS site.
> ...your colbyconsulting.com site is much faster
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:20 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
>> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely some
>> throttling going on at your end.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>
>>>> A little slow but not bad.
>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit /
>>> sec.  So for you to see
>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
>>> posting something up to the
>>> directory.
>>>
>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or
>>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
>>> other uses of the bandwidth
>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected 
>>> more
>>> like the 6 second mark
>>> though.
>>>
>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere
>>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>
>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
>>>> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
>>>> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
>>>> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
>>>> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
>>>> seconds.  Thanks, JC
>>>>
>>>> Ed Tesiny
>>>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>>
>>>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
>>>> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
>>>> network.  To see the public face just go to
>>>>
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 13:15:23 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:15:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com>

I am at the IIS snap-in.  I do not see any of what you are talking about, thus I assume i am not 
where you want me to be.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> JC
> 
> ...assuming IIS 7
> 
> ...open the IIS Manager window ...select your server in the Connections pane 
> ...on you Home Page you should have a Media Services pane ...check if there 
> is a Bit Rate Throttling icon below it ...if the extension is installed, 
> that's could be the issue if you added jpg to its mime types
> 
> ...else check you performance pane to see if you are throttling the 
> bandwidth itself.
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:49 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
> 
>> Does anyone know where to go to unleash the beast?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> William Hindman wrote:
>>> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely 
>>> some
>>> throttling going on at your end.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>
>>>>> A little slow but not bad.
>>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>>>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit 
>>>> /
>>>> sec.  So for you to see
>>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
>>>> posting something up to the
>>>> directory.
>>>>
>>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or
>>>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
>>>> other uses of the bandwidth
>>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected 
>>>> more
>>>> like the 6 second mark
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere
>>>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>>
>>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 13:13:22 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 19:13:22 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A787432.8060203@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a7851f2.0508d00a.650e.ffff9fce@mx.google.com>	<4A7861C1.20109@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a7865b1.0a1ad00a.577f.02ad@mx.google.com>
	<4A787432.8060203@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a787ad3.0a04d00a.41d2.23d0@mx.google.com>

Thanks for ALL that John, plenty to get my teeth into.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 04 August 2009 18:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album

Max,

You are in England IIRC so I cannot comment on prices there, however it is
possible to buy WHS as a 
computer with the OS installed.  After that price depends on options.  These
tend to be tightly 
controlled (by the manufacturer) and in general the only options are the
number / size of the 
drives, and MAYBE the amount of RAM.

I never even considered doing that because the systems at the time I got
into this were 
reaaaaallllyyyy wimpy, i.e. (IIRC) Celeron 1 ghz with 500 megs of ram.  It
appears that in the years 
since the manufacturers have seen the errors of their ways and upped the
power and memory, thouth 
still nothing to write home about.

I understand Newegg is not an option for you guys.  However this should give
you a feeling for 
what's out there.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTM
ATCH&Description=whs&x=0&y=0

For anyone who is tech savvy, I do NOT recommend buying the pre-built
server.

I built my own, and bought WHS as an EOM software package from Newegg.  I
ended up using spare parts 
I had laying around at first and then over time upgrading.  My current WHS
is a quad core AMD 9550 
with 4 gigs of ram, a RAID 5 two terrabyte array with hardware controller
(soon to be RAID 6), with 
a pair of 1.5 tbyte drives not assigned to WHS for storing my ripped videos.
Quad core is overkill 
no doubt but I upgraded a server to a more powerful quad core chip and so I
had one hanging around.

I also run MyMovies on this

http://www.mymovies.dk/

which uses SQL Server Lite (tiny little database, about 10 mbytes so far)
for the MyMovies metadata 
storage.  My WHS server has two published shared drives (the entire two
drives not assigned to WHS) 
which my TV in the living room (Windows Media Center) can pull the ripped
videos off of using 
MyMovies to select the video to watch.

And of course, now, the photo albums published to the internet for my
extended family using WHIIST:

http://www.andrewgrant.org/whiist

BTW it is possible for family members to upload their own photos over the
internet if you allow 
that, so a single WHS server at the home of a tech savvy person with high
speed internet could be a 
repository for the entire family.

Only one big gotcha, there can be a maximum of 10 users, which includes
machines in your home being 
backed up etc.  That is a limitation imposed by WHS to keep this from
becoming a Business home 
server.  ;)  In fact WHS is a shell application over a full on Windows 2003
X32 (SBS so I have heard).

Limited users shouldn't be a biggie if the family shares a single or a few
usernames / passwords.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> 1. How much is WHS?
> 2. How about Johns#1
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 04 August 2009 17:29
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
> Max,
> 
>  > Is that a freebie from MS. Does it have a Forum?
> 
> WHS is not free.  This remote login is a part of WHS, so once you have WHS
> that part is free.
> 
> WHIST is a freebie.  That is an Add-In to WHS which creates the photo
album.
> Even without WHIIST 
> you can set up password protected shared directories.
> 
>  > Will you be leaving it available for us Listers to transfer files?
> 
> I could do that I suppose.  I am not really sure what kind of security
> issues I create with these 
> user / password stuff.  After all this is a shared directory / user on my
> WHS server.  And the 
> username / password becomes part of google history if you know what I
mean.
>  >
>  > Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like
"John"
> 
> ROTFL.  Unfortunately WHS REQUIRES a certain difficulty level for the
> password or it will not allow 
> you to turn on remote access.  There are 4 properties that can make up the
> difficulty.
> 
> 1) MUST contain 7 characters
> 2) Must contain 3 out of 4 of the following:
> a) Special Characters
> b) Numbers
> c) Upper case letters
> d) Lower case letters.
> 
> So I MUST have three of the difficulty "properties and it must be 7
> characters or it will not allow 
> that user to log in.
> 
> Now look carefully at my password and you will see that it uses:
> 
> Special characters
> Numbers
> Lower case letters
> 
> Beyond that it is a simple "drag your finger down the keyboard in a
line..."
> kind of thing.
> 
> Given the "requirements" for the password, what password would you like to
> have?  Shall we have a 
> "suggest the easiest to remember password" contest?  The winner gets...
are
> you ready... to use his 
> password...
> 
> ;)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> Well, I got on ok. Couldn't do too much because of the slow connection I
>> have - I could write a MDB in the time it takes to navigate pages...
>> It looks good. Is that a freebie from MS. Does it have a Forum?
>> Will you be leaving it available for us Listers to transfer files?
>>
>> Ta mucho
>>
>> Max
>> Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like "John"

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From robert at servicexp.com  Tue Aug  4 13:15:51 2009
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:15:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>
	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <001601ca152f$9aa018b0$cfe04a10$@com>

Thanks John for the test drive... Been thinking about setting up one of
these... Was looking at the little HP system, but think it's overpriced for
its power. The only thing I do like about it is its size...

By the way I downloaded the Collage1.jpg pic. and was getting around
~60.1kb/sec..

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album

 > A little slow but not bad.

The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download speeds.
Uploads (from my end to 
you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit /
sec.  So for you to see 
the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
posting something up to the 
directory.

That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or about
6 seconds.  that is the 
FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
other uses of the bandwidth 
at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more
like the 6 second mark 
though.

It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere in
IIS.  As I said I just 
threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.

Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Tesiny, Ed wrote:
>  
> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
> seconds.  Thanks, JC
> 
> Ed Tesiny
> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
> network.  To see the public face just go to
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 13:20:48 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:20:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4A787C00.6050904@colbyconsulting.com>

Step by step... click here then here...

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> JC
> 
> ...assuming IIS 7
> 
> ...open the IIS Manager window ...select your server in the Connections pane 
> ...on you Home Page you should have a Media Services pane ...check if there 
> is a Bit Rate Throttling icon below it ...if the extension is installed, 
> that's could be the issue if you added jpg to its mime types
> 
> ...else check you performance pane to see if you are throttling the 
> bandwidth itself.
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:49 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
> 
>> Does anyone know where to go to unleash the beast?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> William Hindman wrote:
>>> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely 
>>> some
>>> throttling going on at your end.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>
>>>>> A little slow but not bad.
>>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>>>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit 
>>>> /
>>>> sec.  So for you to see
>>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
>>>> posting something up to the
>>>> directory.
>>>>
>>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or
>>>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
>>>> other uses of the bandwidth
>>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected 
>>>> more
>>>> like the 6 second mark
>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere
>>>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>>
>>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> -- 
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>>
> 


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Aug  4 13:26:15 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:26:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com><E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>
	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>

...lol ...so much for remote trouble shooting by e-mail :)

...try binging the subject "bit rate throttling IIS"

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:15 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album

> I am at the IIS snap-in.  I do not see any of what you are talking about, 
> thus I assume i am not
> where you want me to be.
>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>> JC
>>
>> ...assuming IIS 7
>>
>> ...open the IIS Manager window ...select your server in the Connections 
>> pane
>> ...on you Home Page you should have a Media Services pane ...check if 
>> there
>> is a Bit Rate Throttling icon below it ...if the extension is installed,
>> that's could be the issue if you added jpg to its mime types
>>
>> ...else check you performance pane to see if you are throttling the
>> bandwidth itself.
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:49 PM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
>>
>>> Does anyone know where to go to unleash the beast?
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>> William Hindman wrote:
>>>> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely
>>>> some
>>>> throttling going on at your end.
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>>
>>>>>> A little slow but not bad.
>>>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>>>>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>>>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 
>>>>> mbit
>>>>> /
>>>>> sec.  So for you to see
>>>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
>>>>> posting something up to the
>>>>> directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or
>>>>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>>>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your 
>>>>> end,
>>>>> other uses of the bandwidth
>>>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected
>>>>> more
>>>>> like the 6 second mark
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place 
>>>>> somewhere
>>>>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>>>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>> -- 
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 13:40:54 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:40:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <001601ca152f$9aa018b0$cfe04a10$@com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<001601ca152f$9aa018b0$cfe04a10$@com>
Message-ID: <4A7880B6.1020204@colbyconsulting.com>

OK, there is definitely something throttling my connection, which is distressing.  It limits the 
usability if it takes 60 seconds to view a single picture.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Robert wrote:
> Thanks John for the test drive... Been thinking about setting up one of
> these... Was looking at the little HP system, but think it's overpriced for
> its power. The only thing I do like about it is its size...
> 
> By the way I downloaded the Collage1.jpg pic. and was getting around
> ~60.1kb/sec..
> 
> WBR
> Robert
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
>  > A little slow but not bad.
> 
> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download speeds.
> Uploads (from my end to 
> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit /
> sec.  So for you to see 
> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
> posting something up to the 
> directory.
> 
> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or about
> 6 seconds.  that is the 
> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
> other uses of the bandwidth 
> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more
> like the 6 second mark 
> though.
> 
> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere in
> IIS.  As I said I just 
> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
> 
> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
>>  
>> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
>> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
>> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
>> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
>> seconds.  Thanks, JC
>>
>> Ed Tesiny
>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>
>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
>> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
>> network.  To see the public face just go to
>>
>>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 13:48:22 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:48:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com><E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't binge.  ;)

Or bing for that matter.

Is Microsoft hiding stuff from Google now?  I don't see anything about bit rate throttling other 
than new add-ons for IIS 7.0.  AFAICT WHS is using IIS 6.X, though I am not certain how to tell.  I 
bought the software about two years ago, in fact the month it was released.  And I would doubt that 
the throttling add-on was just automatically installed, though again I don't know how to tell.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...lol ...so much for remote trouble shooting by e-mail :)
> 
> ...try binging the subject "bit rate throttling IIS"
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:15 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
> 
>> I am at the IIS snap-in.  I do not see any of what you are talking about, 
>> thus I assume i am not
>> where you want me to be.
>>
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> William Hindman wrote:
>>> JC
>>>
>>> ...assuming IIS 7
>>>
>>> ...open the IIS Manager window ...select your server in the Connections 
>>> pane
>>> ...on you Home Page you should have a Media Services pane ...check if 
>>> there
>>> is a Bit Rate Throttling icon below it ...if the extension is installed,
>>> that's could be the issue if you added jpg to its mime types
>>>
>>> ...else check you performance pane to see if you are throttling the
>>> bandwidth itself.
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:49 PM
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
>>>
>>>> Does anyone know where to go to unleash the beast?
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Hindman wrote:
>>>>> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely
>>>>> some
>>>>> throttling going on at your end.
>>>>>
>>>>> William
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>>>
>>>>>>> A little slow but not bad.
>>>>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>>>>>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>>>>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 
>>>>>> mbit
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> sec.  So for you to see
>>>>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
>>>>>> posting something up to the
>>>>>> directory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or
>>>>>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>>>>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your 
>>>>>> end,
>>>>>> other uses of the bandwidth
>>>>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> like the 6 second mark
>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place 
>>>>>> somewhere
>>>>>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>>>>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>> -- 
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
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>>
> 


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Aug  4 14:47:49 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:47:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com><E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com><402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>
	<4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>

...a client is running 6 and I should be down there tomorrow ......looks 
like you are right about bit rate throttling not being available in 6 
...back to square one.

...I've fallen in love with bing ...still keep google available but use it 
less and less.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:48 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album

> I don't binge.  ;)
>
> Or bing for that matter.
>
> Is Microsoft hiding stuff from Google now?  I don't see anything about bit 
> rate throttling other
> than new add-ons for IIS 7.0.  AFAICT WHS is using IIS 6.X, though I am 
> not certain how to tell.  I
> bought the software about two years ago, in fact the month it was 
> released.  And I would doubt that
> the throttling add-on was just automatically installed, though again I 
> don't know how to tell.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>> ...lol ...so much for remote trouble shooting by e-mail :)
>>
>> ...try binging the subject "bit rate throttling IIS"
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:15 PM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
>>
>>> I am at the IIS snap-in.  I do not see any of what you are talking 
>>> about,
>>> thus I assume i am not
>>> where you want me to be.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>> William Hindman wrote:
>>>> JC
>>>>
>>>> ...assuming IIS 7
>>>>
>>>> ...open the IIS Manager window ...select your server in the Connections
>>>> pane
>>>> ...on you Home Page you should have a Media Services pane ...check if
>>>> there
>>>> is a Bit Rate Throttling icon below it ...if the extension is 
>>>> installed,
>>>> that's could be the issue if you added jpg to its mime types
>>>>
>>>> ...else check you performance pane to see if you are throttling the
>>>> bandwidth itself.
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:49 PM
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know where to go to unleash the beast?
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> William Hindman wrote:
>>>>>> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> throttling going on at your end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A little slow but not bad.
>>>>>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>>>>>>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>>>>>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5
>>>>>>> mbit
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>> sec.  So for you to see
>>>>>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> posting something up to the
>>>>>>> directory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>>>>>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your
>>>>>>> end,
>>>>>>> other uses of the bandwidth
>>>>>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have 
>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> like the 6 second mark
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place
>>>>>>> somewhere
>>>>>>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>>>>>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your 
>>>>>>> speeds?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Aug  4 15:05:27 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:05:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com><E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com><402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>
	<4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A96DBA32A7034FB9877A6965B335A07D@jislaptopdev>

jc

...what is your cable provider spec again? ...just thinking that 60KB/s is 
about .5Mbps considering overhead.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:48 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album

> I don't binge.  ;)
>
> Or bing for that matter.
>
> Is Microsoft hiding stuff from Google now?  I don't see anything about bit 
> rate throttling other
> than new add-ons for IIS 7.0.  AFAICT WHS is using IIS 6.X, though I am 
> not certain how to tell.  I
> bought the software about two years ago, in fact the month it was 
> released.  And I would doubt that
> the throttling add-on was just automatically installed, though again I 
> don't know how to tell.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> William Hindman wrote:
>> ...lol ...so much for remote trouble shooting by e-mail :)
>>
>> ...try binging the subject "bit rate throttling IIS"
>>
>> William
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:15 PM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
>>
>>> I am at the IIS snap-in.  I do not see any of what you are talking 
>>> about,
>>> thus I assume i am not
>>> where you want me to be.
>>>
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>> William Hindman wrote:
>>>> JC
>>>>
>>>> ...assuming IIS 7
>>>>
>>>> ...open the IIS Manager window ...select your server in the Connections
>>>> pane
>>>> ...on you Home Page you should have a Media Services pane ...check if
>>>> there
>>>> is a Bit Rate Throttling icon below it ...if the extension is 
>>>> installed,
>>>> that's could be the issue if you added jpg to its mime types
>>>>
>>>> ...else check you performance pane to see if you are throttling the
>>>> bandwidth itself.
>>>>
>>>> William
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:49 PM
>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know where to go to unleash the beast?
>>>>>
>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> William Hindman wrote:
>>>>>> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> throttling going on at your end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A little slow but not bad.
>>>>>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>>>>>>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>>>>>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5
>>>>>>> mbit
>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>> sec.  So for you to see
>>>>>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> posting something up to the
>>>>>>> directory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>>>>>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your
>>>>>>> end,
>>>>>>> other uses of the bandwidth
>>>>>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have 
>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> like the 6 second mark
>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place
>>>>>>> somewhere
>>>>>>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>>>>>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your 
>>>>>>> speeds?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Aug  4 15:17:08 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:17:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A789744.3030904@torchlake.com>

John,

This is truly amazing stuff!  My connection is high-speed wireless 
broadband and I'm not wholly certain of the upload and download speeds.  
I did have to wait about 50 seconds for the collage, but it was well 
worth the wait.  Thanks for sharing all this with us.

T

jwcolby wrote:
> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is to add a web page that can 
> then be accessed from outside of your network.  To see the public face just go to
>
> Colby.Homeserver.com
>
> It ended up being fairly trivial to get that working, three port forwarding entries in the router 
> and allowing WHS software to do something to the router (scary when you haven't a clue what that 
> something is).  WHS uses IIS to then serve up this web page.  Log-in allows users that you define to 
> see shares on the server.  Typically it is used to share photos and video, but it can really be any 
> directory share in a certain path on WHS, all set up by user / password / directory / rights.  Oh, 
> and it also allows a remote access to other machines on the network, though I haven't gotten there yet.
>
> Anyway...
>
> The access to the shared directory is usable but crude, photos have to be "downloaded" and displayed 
> in an application of your choice on the remote computer.
>
> So someone came up with an add-in called WHIIST which allows you to create a photo album where you 
> simply create directories and then drag and drop photos into directories, again in a path specific 
> to this album, and voila, the visitor sees photos that you place there.  To give you a taste of how 
> this works I have created a temporary user / password:
>
> User: AccessD
> PW: ^6tfc%5rdx
>
> Go to:
>
> colby.Homeserver.com
>
> and login to see the shared directory where you can add, delete and modify anything in that directory.
>
> which you can use to access specific directories and see some photos at:
>
> colby.homeserver.com/AccessD
>
>
> Give it a whirl.  I will be taking this AccessD user down in a day or two so try it now if you want 
> to see what WHS and WHIIST can do.
>
> This whole AccessD thing took about 20 minutes to get working using this WHIIST add-in.
>
> I have created my own custom user for my extended family, and placed a huge quantity of photos out 
> there.  What would be really nice is to be able to add captions etc and that is where this WHIIST 
> add-in stops short.  It is EXTREMELY easy to set up, create directories for "albums", drag photos 
> in, and you are done... but what you see is what you get.
>
> OTOH, this web page is just an IIS creation and so I should be able to find some other tool for 
> creating photo albums which has more flexibility.  Which brings me to the my question, do any of you 
> folks use an album widget on a web page which has the ability to add captions and such.  I am not 
> into complexity so if it is a lot of work I will just stay with what I have.  The photos are the 
> objective, captions are just icing, which I would like, but not if the cost is too high.
>
> Thanks,
>
>   


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  4 15:36:52 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:36:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A7861C1.20109@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a7851f2.0508d00a.650e.ffff9fce@mx.google.com>,
	<4A7861C1.20109@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A789BE4.28256.42AB449C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That is a common Windows requirement these days. There are quite a few schemes which 
you can use with easy to remember passwords. 

1.  Come up with a 7 or letters that are  meaningful in the context and easy to remember. 
Then  make sure that at least the  initial letter is capitalised and replace "a"s with "@"s and 
"o"s with "0"s  consistently.

How about: JWC0lby

2. Consistently capitalise a standard letter (first or last) and append a standard number :

Colby99?
colbY01?

-- 
Stuart


On 4 Aug 2009 at 12:28, jwcolby wrote:

>  > Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like "John"
> 
> ROTFL.  Unfortunately WHS REQUIRES a certain difficulty level for the password or it will not allow 
> you to turn on remote access.  There are 4 properties that can make up the difficulty.
> 
> 1) MUST contain 7 characters
> 2) Must contain 3 out of 4 of the following:
> a) Special Characters
> b) Numbers
> c) Upper case letters
> d) Lower case letters.
> 
> So I MUST have three of the difficulty "properties and it must be 7 characters or it will not allow 
> that user to log in.
> 
> Now look carefully at my password and you will see that it uses:
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  4 15:36:52 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:36:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>,
	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A789BE4.5304.42AB444E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Bits v Bytes, JC.

500 Kbps (lower case bits) equates to an effective 50KBps (upper case Bytes) after protocol 
overhead.

 A 3MB collage should theoretically  take  about  60 seconds over that line


On 4 Aug 2009 at 12:51, jwcolby wrote:

>  > A little slow but not bad.
> 
> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download speeds.  Uploads (from my end to 
> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit / sec.  So for you to see 
> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of posting something up to the 
> directory.
> 
> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or about 6 seconds.  that is the 
> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end, other uses of the bandwidth 
> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more like the 6 second mark 
> though.
> 
> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere in IIS.  As I said I just 
> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
> 
> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
> >  
> > A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
> > download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
> > to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
> > that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
> > seconds.  Thanks, JC
> > 
> > Ed Tesiny
> > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> > 
> > I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
> > to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
> > network.  To see the public face just go to
> > 
> > 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  4 15:48:30 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 06:48:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A7879E3.7070909@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<523C3D45373F4EB98F4997B952D7A0C7@jislaptopdev>,
	<4A7879E3.7070909@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A789E9E.10362.42B5EAD9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'm starting to do quite a bit of website work in conjunction with a good graphic website guy. 
(I do all the backend database and interface stuff - he does all the pretty stuff).

We are in the process of developing a new website for a government department here. 
They decided that for "security reasons" they wanted to host their own web server in house.
They have a 256Kb link to the world which also has to server their email and web access for 
selected staff.   

It's not the first time that I've come across similar problems, so we ended up doing a White 
Paper explaining the issues, including security and bandwidth to hand out to clients.

You can get a copy from http:/www.lexacorp.com.pg - click on Resources and download the 
second White Paper.

While you are there, have a look around - we've just totally rebuilt my old, very amateurish 
looking site - comments, criticisms welcome.

I'd also appreciate it if you use the Contact Us form to leave me a message. I've got PHP 
Geolocation code sitting behind it and would like to give it a good trial.  If you use it I will let 
you know exactly what info I get about your IP address and location through it.

-- 
Stuart





On 4 Aug 2009 at 14:11, jwcolby wrote:

> Yes, but colbyconsulting.com is a hosted site with gigabit connections to the internet.  This is a 
> server running in my office connecting over my cable connection to the internet.
> 
> I expect this to be much slower than my company web site.  This is first and foremost an internal 
> server to my office with a very limited connection to the outside world.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> William Hindman wrote:
> > ...just a follow-up jc ...seeing that same throttle on everything I dl from 
> > your WHS site.
> > ...your colbyconsulting.com site is much faster
> > 
> > William
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:20 PM
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> > 
> >> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely some
> >> throttling going on at your end.
> >>
> >> William
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
> >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> >>
> >>>> A little slow but not bad.
> >>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
> >>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
> >>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit /
> >>> sec.  So for you to see
> >>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
> >>> posting something up to the
> >>> directory.
> >>>
> >>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or
> >>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
> >>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
> >>> other uses of the bandwidth
> >>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected 
> >>> more
> >>> like the 6 second mark
> >>> though.
> >>>
> >>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere
> >>> in IIS.  As I said I just
> >>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
> >>>
> >>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
> >>>> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
> >>>> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
> >>>> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
> >>>> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
> >>>> seconds.  Thanks, JC
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed Tesiny
> >>>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
> >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> >>>>
> >>>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
> >>>> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
> >>>> network.  To see the public face just go to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> AccessD mailing list
> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >> -- 
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> > 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 15:51:27 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:51:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <A96DBA32A7034FB9877A6965B335A07D@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com><E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com><402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>	<4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A96DBA32A7034FB9877A6965B335A07D@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4A789F4F.2000403@colbyconsulting.com>

60 K BYTES / second is consistent with 500 kbit upload speed... however... that should feed up a 3 
meg byte file in ... about 50 seconds.  Hmm...


It might be time to call up my provider and move up.  10 mbit is only an additional $5 IIRC.  They 
wanted $25 to move up to 16 mbit which I thought was unkind.

I used to have 10 mbit but my provider tried to jack my rates from $160 for the full package (phone 
/ internet / tv) to $230.  I called up and threatened to bail on them if they didn't reconsider and 
I ended up dropping to 5 mbit in the process.  I never really cared much until now.  The only place 
it affected me is when I ftp large client files and even there I don't care if it takes 1/2 hour or 
1 hour.

However 50 seconds to view a single picture is not reasonable.  My mom is already old, I don't want 
to be responsible for her dying while waiting to see a picture of her grandkids.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> jc
> 
> ...what is your cable provider spec again? ...just thinking that 60KB/s is 
> about .5Mbps considering overhead.
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:48 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
> 
>> I don't binge.  ;)
>>
>> Or bing for that matter.
>>
>> Is Microsoft hiding stuff from Google now?  I don't see anything about bit 
>> rate throttling other
>> than new add-ons for IIS 7.0.  AFAICT WHS is using IIS 6.X, though I am 
>> not certain how to tell.  I
>> bought the software about two years ago, in fact the month it was 
>> released.  And I would doubt that
>> the throttling add-on was just automatically installed, though again I 
>> don't know how to tell.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> William Hindman wrote:
>>> ...lol ...so much for remote trouble shooting by e-mail :)
>>>
>>> ...try binging the subject "bit rate throttling IIS"
>>>
>>> William
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 2:15 PM
>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
>>>
>>>> I am at the IIS snap-in.  I do not see any of what you are talking 
>>>> about,
>>>> thus I assume i am not
>>>> where you want me to be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> William Hindman wrote:
>>>>> JC
>>>>>
>>>>> ...assuming IIS 7
>>>>>
>>>>> ...open the IIS Manager window ...select your server in the Connections
>>>>> pane
>>>>> ...on you Home Page you should have a Media Services pane ...check if
>>>>> there
>>>>> is a Bit Rate Throttling icon below it ...if the extension is 
>>>>> installed,
>>>>> that's could be the issue if you added jpg to its mime types
>>>>>
>>>>> ...else check you performance pane to see if you are throttling the
>>>>> bandwidth itself.
>>>>>
>>>>> William
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:49 PM
>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know where to go to unleash the beast?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> William Hindman wrote:
>>>>>>> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely
>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>> throttling going on at your end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> William
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
>>>>>>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
>>>>>>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A little slow but not bad.
>>>>>>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
>>>>>>>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
>>>>>>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5
>>>>>>>> mbit
>>>>>>>> /
>>>>>>>> sec.  So for you to see
>>>>>>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> posting something up to the
>>>>>>>> directory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
>>>>>>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your
>>>>>>>> end,
>>>>>>>> other uses of the bandwidth
>>>>>>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have 
>>>>>>>> expected
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> like the 6 second mark
>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place
>>>>>>>> somewhere
>>>>>>>> in IIS.  As I said I just
>>>>>>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your 
>>>>>>>> speeds?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John W. Colby
>>>>>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 15:52:06 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:52:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A789744.3030904@torchlake.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A789744.3030904@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4A789F76.1010409@colbyconsulting.com>

I love that collage.  Some great pictures.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> John,
> 
> This is truly amazing stuff!  My connection is high-speed wireless 
> broadband and I'm not wholly certain of the upload and download speeds.  
> I did have to wait about 50 seconds for the collage, but it was well 
> worth the wait.  Thanks for sharing all this with us.
> 
> T
> 
> jwcolby wrote:
>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is to add a web page that can 
>> then be accessed from outside of your network.  To see the public face just go to
>>
>> Colby.Homeserver.com
>>
>> It ended up being fairly trivial to get that working, three port forwarding entries in the router 
>> and allowing WHS software to do something to the router (scary when you haven't a clue what that 
>> something is).  WHS uses IIS to then serve up this web page.  Log-in allows users that you define to 
>> see shares on the server.  Typically it is used to share photos and video, but it can really be any 
>> directory share in a certain path on WHS, all set up by user / password / directory / rights.  Oh, 
>> and it also allows a remote access to other machines on the network, though I haven't gotten there yet.
>>
>> Anyway...
>>
>> The access to the shared directory is usable but crude, photos have to be "downloaded" and displayed 
>> in an application of your choice on the remote computer.
>>
>> So someone came up with an add-in called WHIIST which allows you to create a photo album where you 
>> simply create directories and then drag and drop photos into directories, again in a path specific 
>> to this album, and voila, the visitor sees photos that you place there.  To give you a taste of how 
>> this works I have created a temporary user / password:
>>
>> User: AccessD
>> PW: ^6tfc%5rdx
>>
>> Go to:
>>
>> colby.Homeserver.com
>>
>> and login to see the shared directory where you can add, delete and modify anything in that directory.
>>
>> which you can use to access specific directories and see some photos at:
>>
>> colby.homeserver.com/AccessD
>>
>>
>> Give it a whirl.  I will be taking this AccessD user down in a day or two so try it now if you want 
>> to see what WHS and WHIIST can do.
>>
>> This whole AccessD thing took about 20 minutes to get working using this WHIIST add-in.
>>
>> I have created my own custom user for my extended family, and placed a huge quantity of photos out 
>> there.  What would be really nice is to be able to add captions etc and that is where this WHIIST 
>> add-in stops short.  It is EXTREMELY easy to set up, create directories for "albums", drag photos 
>> in, and you are done... but what you see is what you get.
>>
>> OTOH, this web page is just an IIS creation and so I should be able to find some other tool for 
>> creating photo albums which has more flexibility.  Which brings me to the my question, do any of you 
>> folks use an album widget on a web page which has the ability to add captions and such.  I am not 
>> into complexity so if it is a lot of work I will just stay with what I have.  The photos are the 
>> objective, captions are just icing, which I would like, but not if the cost is too high.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>   


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 15:55:14 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:55:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A789BE4.5304.42AB444E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>,
	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A789BE4.5304.42AB444E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A78A032.7050004@colbyconsulting.com>

Yep, indeed.  I never did figure out how I passed calculus in college.

Now I am old and have a built-in excuse.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Bits v Bytes, JC.
> 
> 500 Kbps (lower case bits) equates to an effective 50KBps (upper case Bytes) after protocol 
> overhead.
> 
>  A 3MB collage should theoretically  take  about  60 seconds over that line



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  4 16:05:48 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:05:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <001601ca152f$9aa018b0$cfe04a10$@com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001601ca152f$9aa018b0$cfe04a10$@com>
Message-ID: <4A78A2AC.19285.42C5C38B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Can we please all avoid the confusion by using correct capitalisation?

These are SI Unit multiplier prefixes and can be either upper or lower case.
k or K = kilo
m or M = mega

These are not SI Unit multipliers - they are quite different  abbreviations and capitalisation is 
critical:
b = bits
B = bytes.

-- 
Stuart


On 4 Aug 2009 at 14:15, Robert wrote:

> Thanks John for the test drive... Been thinking about setting up one of
> these... Was looking at the little HP system, but think it's overpriced for
> its power. The only thing I do like about it is its size...
> 
> By the way I downloaded the Collage1.jpg pic. and was getting around
> ~60.1kb/sec..
> 
> WBR
> Robert
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
>  > A little slow but not bad.
> 
> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download speeds.
> Uploads (from my end to 
> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit /
> sec.  So for you to see 
> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
> posting something up to the 
> directory.
> 
> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or about
> 6 seconds.  that is the 
> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
> other uses of the bandwidth 
> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more
> like the 6 second mark 
> though.
> 
> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere in
> IIS.  As I said I just 
> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
> 
> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
> >  
> > A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
> > download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
> > to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
> > that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
> > seconds.  Thanks, JC
> > 
> > Ed Tesiny
> > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> > 
> > I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
> > to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
> > network.  To see the public face just go to
> > 
> > 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  4 16:12:16 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 07:12:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A78A2AC.19285.42C5C38B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001601ca152f$9aa018b0$cfe04a10$@com>,
	<4A78A2AC.19285.42C5C38B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A78A430.4366.42CBAD2E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

And of course, the definitive answer:

http://xkcd.com/394/

<vbg>


On 5 Aug 2009 at 7:05, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Can we please all avoid the confusion by using correct capitalisation?
> 
> These are SI Unit multiplier prefixes and can be either upper or lower case.
> k or K = kilo
> m or M = mega
> 
> These are not SI Unit multipliers - they are quite different  abbreviations and capitalisation is 
> critical:
> b = bits
> B = bytes.
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> On 4 Aug 2009 at 14:15, Robert wrote:
> 
> > Thanks John for the test drive... Been thinking about setting up one of
> > these... Was looking at the little HP system, but think it's overpriced for
> > its power. The only thing I do like about it is its size...
> > 
> > By the way I downloaded the Collage1.jpg pic. and was getting around
> > ~60.1kb/sec..
> > 
> > WBR
> > Robert
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:52 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> > 
> >  > A little slow but not bad.
> > 
> > The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download speeds.
> > Uploads (from my end to 
> > you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit /
> > sec.  So for you to see 
> > the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
> > posting something up to the 
> > directory.
> > 
> > That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or about
> > 6 seconds.  that is the 
> > FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
> > other uses of the bandwidth 
> > at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more
> > like the 6 second mark 
> > though.
> > 
> > It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere in
> > IIS.  As I said I just 
> > threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
> > 
> > Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > 
> > 
> > Tesiny, Ed wrote:
> > >  
> > > A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
> > > download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
> > > to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
> > > that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
> > > seconds.  Thanks, JC
> > > 
> > > Ed Tesiny
> > > EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> > > 
> > > I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
> > > to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
> > > network.  To see the public face just go to
> > > 
> > > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Tue Aug  4 16:22:44 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:22:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
 tuition fees
In-Reply-To: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A78A6A4.9050302@torchlake.com>

OMG!  What a dingbat!
T

Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven?t descended to this, have we.
>
>  
>
> Who can I sue?
>
> My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?
>
> My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?
>
> My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be giving me organic.
>
> Ooo, don?t start me off?
>
>  
>
> Max
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
> Posted on: 03 August 2009 02:23
> Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
> Subject: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees
>
>  
>
>
> A New York woman who says she cannot find a job is suing the college where she obtained a bachelor's degree.
>
>
> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8180806.stm>  article...
>
>   


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 16:35:47 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:35:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A78A032.7050004@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>,
	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A789BE4.5304.42AB444E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A78A032.7050004@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a78aa10.1c07d00a.2693.ffffd529@mx.google.com>

It's not calculus it simple (ie, kinder garden) arithmetic!!

8 bits to a Byte + overhead (CRC) approximates to 10 bits to a Byte.

Divide bps by 10 to get (approx) Bytes.

Ipso facto, etc as per (Stuart) below.

Think of it as 10 cents on the Dollar!

QED

Max
Hi Yo Silver...


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 04 August 2009 21:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: Web site photo album

Yep, indeed.  I never did figure out how I passed calculus in college.

Now I am old and have a built-in excuse.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Bits v Bytes, JC.
> 
> 500 Kbps (lower case bits) equates to an effective 50KBps (upper case
Bytes) after protocol 
> overhead.
> 
>  A 3MB collage should theoretically  take  about  60 seconds over that
line

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Aug  4 16:40:29 2009
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:40:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
In-Reply-To: <82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com><E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com><402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>	<4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>
	<82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>

William said:
> ...I've fallen in love with bing ...still keep google available but use
> it less and less.

Doing a search on "Kathryn Bassett" gives 232 results on Bing and I'm not on
the first page of results (2nd page before you get to me). On Google, there
are 28,000 results and the majority (not all) of the ones on the first page
are me. I'll stick with Google.

--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net
http://bassett.net?? 






From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 16:40:47 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:40:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
	tuition fees
In-Reply-To: <4A78A6A4.9050302@torchlake.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>
	<4A78A6A4.9050302@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4a78ab41.0508d00a.127e.ffff9203@mx.google.com>

I just know you don't mean me....

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: 04 August 2009 22:23
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees

OMG!  What a dingbat!
T

Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven?t descended to this, have we.
>
>  
>
> Who can I sue?
>
> My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?
>
> My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?
>
> My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be giving me organic.
>
> Ooo, don?t start me off?
>
>  
>
> Max
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
> Posted on: 03 August 2009 02:23
> Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
> Subject: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees
>
>  
>
>
> A New York woman who says she cannot find a job is suing the college where she obtained a bachelor's degree.
>
>
> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8180806.stm>  article...
>
>   
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 16:40:47 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:40:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A789BE4.28256.42AB449C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4a7851f2.0508d00a.650e.ffff9fce@mx.google.com>,
	<4A7861C1.20109@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A789BE4.28256.42AB449C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a78ab4a.0508d00a.127e.ffff9213@mx.google.com>

OY YOU LOT - DON'T GO JUMPING ON THE BAND WAGON.

I put my 2p in ages ago and JC has not yet replied 

I went for Johns#1 which meets all the criterion and does some fawning along
the way.

7 - characters - Upper, lower, numberic and special char.

Thank you - prize please.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 04 August 2009 21:37
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album

That is a common Windows requirement these days. There are quite a few
schemes which 
you can use with easy to remember passwords. 

1.  Come up with a 7 or letters that are  meaningful in the context and easy
to remember. 
Then  make sure that at least the  initial letter is capitalised and replace
"a"s with "@"s and 
"o"s with "0"s  consistently.

How about: JWC0lby

2. Consistently capitalise a standard letter (first or last) and append a
standard number :

Colby99?
colbY01?

-- 
Stuart


On 4 Aug 2009 at 12:28, jwcolby wrote:

>  > Ps nice easy password to remember.  I hate the difficult ones like
"John"
> 
> ROTFL.  Unfortunately WHS REQUIRES a certain difficulty level for the
password or it will not allow 
> you to turn on remote access.  There are 4 properties that can make up the
difficulty.
> 
> 1) MUST contain 7 characters
> 2) Must contain 3 out of 4 of the following:
> a) Special Characters
> b) Numbers
> c) Upper case letters
> d) Lower case letters.
> 
> So I MUST have three of the difficulty "properties and it must be 7
characters or it will not allow 
> that user to log in.
> 
> Now look carefully at my password and you will see that it uses:
> 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 16:40:47 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:40:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A789F76.1010409@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A789744.3030904@torchlake.com>
	<4A789F76.1010409@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a78ab47.0508d00a.127e.ffff9210@mx.google.com>

What's a collage?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 04 August 2009 21:52
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album

I love that collage.  Some great pictures.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Tina Norris Fields wrote:
> John,
> 
> This is truly amazing stuff!  My connection is high-speed wireless 
> broadband and I'm not wholly certain of the upload and download speeds.  
> I did have to wait about 50 seconds for the collage, but it was well 
> worth the wait.  Thanks for sharing all this with us.
> 
> T
> 
> jwcolby wrote:
>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
to add a web page that can 
>> then be accessed from outside of your network.  To see the public face
just go to
>>
>> Colby.Homeserver.com
>>
>> It ended up being fairly trivial to get that working, three port
forwarding entries in the router 
>> and allowing WHS software to do something to the router (scary when you
haven't a clue what that 
>> something is).  WHS uses IIS to then serve up this web page.  Log-in
allows users that you define to 
>> see shares on the server.  Typically it is used to share photos and
video, but it can really be any 
>> directory share in a certain path on WHS, all set up by user / password /
directory / rights.  Oh, 
>> and it also allows a remote access to other machines on the network,
though I haven't gotten there yet.
>>
>> Anyway...
>>
>> The access to the shared directory is usable but crude, photos have to be
"downloaded" and displayed 
>> in an application of your choice on the remote computer.
>>
>> So someone came up with an add-in called WHIIST which allows you to
create a photo album where you 
>> simply create directories and then drag and drop photos into directories,
again in a path specific 
>> to this album, and voila, the visitor sees photos that you place there.
To give you a taste of how 
>> this works I have created a temporary user / password:
>>
>> User: AccessD
>> PW: ^6tfc%5rdx
>>
>> Go to:
>>
>> colby.Homeserver.com
>>
>> and login to see the shared directory where you can add, delete and
modify anything in that directory.
>>
>> which you can use to access specific directories and see some photos at:
>>
>> colby.homeserver.com/AccessD
>>
>>
>> Give it a whirl.  I will be taking this AccessD user down in a day or two
so try it now if you want 
>> to see what WHS and WHIIST can do.
>>
>> This whole AccessD thing took about 20 minutes to get working using this
WHIIST add-in.
>>
>> I have created my own custom user for my extended family, and placed a
huge quantity of photos out 
>> there.  What would be really nice is to be able to add captions etc and
that is where this WHIIST 
>> add-in stops short.  It is EXTREMELY easy to set up, create directories
for "albums", drag photos 
>> in, and you are done... but what you see is what you get.
>>
>> OTOH, this web page is just an IIS creation and so I should be able to
find some other tool for 
>> creating photo albums which has more flexibility.  Which brings me to the
my question, do any of you 
>> folks use an album widget on a web page which has the ability to add
captions and such.  I am not 
>> into complexity so if it is a lot of work I will just stay with what I
have.  The photos are the 
>> objective, captions are just icing, which I would like, but not if the
cost is too high.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>   
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug  4 16:45:49 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 23:45:49 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: SI units (was: Web site photo album)
Message-ID: <sa78c850.032@cactus.dk>

Hi Stuart

Yes please, but - eh - you are indeed yourself bringing great confusion to the table ...

k = kilo 
K = Kelvin 
m = milli 
M = mega 

Of these only K is a unit (temperature) - the others are prefixes or multipliers.
For computing you have commonly (but incorrect) K to mean 1024 while it should be just k because k in computing is 1024 and not 1000.
Some good information and explanation can be found here:

  http://www.economicexpert.com/a/Kilo.htm 

/gustav


>>> stuart at lexacorp.com.pg 04-08-2009 23:05 >>>
Can we please all avoid the confusion by using correct capitalisation?

These are SI Unit multiplier prefixes and can be either upper or lower case.
k or K = kilo
m or M = mega

These are not SI Unit multipliers - they are quite different  abbreviations and capitalisation is 
critical:
b = bits
B = bytes.

-- 
Stuart




From john at winhaven.net  Tue Aug  4 16:49:15 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:49:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Message-ID: <003f01ca154d$69495880$3bdc0980$@net>

Please give our moderators a break and use the correct list to post
messages!

We have a number of lists in order to make reading easier on our diverse
constituency. If you are interested in more than one area, please subscribe
to all appropriate lists. If necessary use the rules and/or filtering
mechanisms of your particular email client to sort the incoming mail as
needed.

DBA-tech is the list for posting non-Access/SQL/VB related technical issues

DBA-OT is the list for posting anything that doesn't fit the purpose of our
other lists. OT is not archived, hence we do not have to pay for archiving
and storing all of the gibberish that goes on over there ;o)

Thank You for your cooperation,
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 16:56:07 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:56:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A789E9E.10362.42B5EAD9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<523C3D45373F4EB98F4997B952D7A0C7@jislaptopdev>,
	<4A7879E3.7070909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A789E9E.10362.42B5EAD9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a78aed5.1c05d00a.4f59.130f@mx.google.com>

Stuart, been on to your site left a message
Max




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 17:02:12 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:02:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A78A430.4366.42CBAD2E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<001601ca152f$9aa018b0$cfe04a10$@com>,
	<4A78A2AC.19285.42C5C38B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A78A430.4366.42CBAD2E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A78AFE4.6000900@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.

Is there ANYTHING he doesn't comment on?


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> And of course, the definitive answer:
> 
> http://xkcd.com/394/
> 
> <vbg>
> 
> 
> On 5 Aug 2009 at 7:05, Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> 
>> Can we please all avoid the confusion by using correct capitalisation?
>>
>> These are SI Unit multiplier prefixes and can be either upper or lower case.
>> k or K = kilo
>> m or M = mega
>>
>> These are not SI Unit multipliers - they are quite different  abbreviations and capitalisation is 
>> critical:
>> b = bits
>> B = bytes.
>>
>> -- 
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> On 4 Aug 2009 at 14:15, Robert wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks John for the test drive... Been thinking about setting up one of
>>> these... Was looking at the little HP system, but think it's overpriced for
>>> its power. The only thing I do like about it is its size...
>>>
>>> By the way I downloaded the Collage1.jpg pic. and was getting around
>>> ~60.1kb/sec..
>>>
>>> WBR
>>> Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:52 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>
>>>  > A little slow but not bad.
>>>
>>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download speeds.
>>> Uploads (from my end to 
>>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5 mbit /
>>> sec.  So for you to see 
>>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
>>> posting something up to the 
>>> directory.
>>>
>>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or about
>>> 6 seconds.  that is the 
>>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your end,
>>> other uses of the bandwidth 
>>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected more
>>> like the 6 second mark 
>>> though.
>>>
>>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place somewhere in
>>> IIS.  As I said I just 
>>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
>>>
>>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
>>>>  
>>>> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
>>>> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the option
>>>> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
>>>> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
>>>> seconds.  Thanks, JC
>>>>
>>>> Ed Tesiny
>>>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us 
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
>>>>
>>>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
>>>> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
>>>> network.  To see the public face just go to
>>>>
>>>>
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>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>>
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>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
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> 
> 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug  4 17:05:14 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:05:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
In-Reply-To: <005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>,
	<005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
Message-ID: <4A78B09A.18565.42FC2B72@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Aah, vanity searches :-)

I come up second overall on Bing (supposed out of 4,630,000 - which I find very hard to 
believe) and third on Google (out of 11,200)
.
Does that mean I'm famous :-)

-- 
Stuart


On 4 Aug 2009 at 14:40, Kathryn Bassett wrote:

> William said:
> > ...I've fallen in love with bing ...still keep google available but use
> > it less and less.
> 
> Doing a search on "Kathryn Bassett" gives 232 results on Bing and I'm not on
> the first page of results (2nd page before you get to me). On Google, there
> are 28,000 results and the majority (not all) of the ones on the first page
> are me. I'll stick with Google.
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net?? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 17:08:40 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:08:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4a78aa10.1c07d00a.2693.ffffd529@mx.google.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>,
	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A789BE4.5304.42AB444E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4A78A032.7050004@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4a78aa10.1c07d00a.2693.ffffd529@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A78B168.1000704@colbyconsulting.com>

Yes, except ( as is in your news now) that is the MAXIMUM rate, so it is really:

5 mb down unless (in my case) it is

5:00 PM - 7:00 PM in which case it is 1/2 that as all the workers get online after work.
7:00 PM - 9:00 PM it is 1/4 that as all the kids jump on to do their homework.
9:00 PM - 7:00 AM it is 1/10th that as all the kids finish their homework and start sharing their 
music files and pron.
7:00 AM - 5:00 PM it is back to 60% of that as everyone has their Windows Media Center programmed to 
download movies for the next evening.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> It's not calculus it simple (ie, kinder garden) arithmetic!!
> 
> 8 bits to a Byte + overhead (CRC) approximates to 10 bits to a Byte.
> 
> Divide bps by 10 to get (approx) Bytes.
> 
> Ipso facto, etc as per (Stuart) below.
> 
> Think of it as 10 cents on the Dollar!
> 
> QED
> 
> Max
> Hi Yo Silver...
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 04 August 2009 21:55
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: Web site photo album
> 
> Yep, indeed.  I never did figure out how I passed calculus in college.
> 
> Now I am old and have a built-in excuse.  ;)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>> Bits v Bytes, JC.
>>
>> 500 Kbps (lower case bits) equates to an effective 50KBps (upper case
> Bytes) after protocol 
>> overhead.
>>
>>  A 3MB collage should theoretically  take  about  60 seconds over that
> line
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 17:10:29 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:10:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4a78ab47.0508d00a.127e.ffff9210@mx.google.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A789744.3030904@torchlake.com>	<4A789F76.1010409@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4a78ab47.0508d00a.127e.ffff9210@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A78B1D5.9040702@colbyconsulting.com>

A picture made up of other pictures.  In this case my two cutie pies.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> What's a collage?
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 04 August 2009 21:52
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> 
> I love that collage.  Some great pictures.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Tina Norris Fields wrote:
>> John,
>>
>> This is truly amazing stuff!  My connection is high-speed wireless 
>> broadband and I'm not wholly certain of the upload and download speeds.  
>> I did have to wait about 50 seconds for the collage, but it was well 
>> worth the wait.  Thanks for sharing all this with us.
>>
>> T
>>
>> jwcolby wrote:
>>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows is
> to add a web page that can 
>>> then be accessed from outside of your network.  To see the public face
> just go to
>>> Colby.Homeserver.com
>>>
>>> It ended up being fairly trivial to get that working, three port
> forwarding entries in the router 
>>> and allowing WHS software to do something to the router (scary when you
> haven't a clue what that 
>>> something is).  WHS uses IIS to then serve up this web page.  Log-in
> allows users that you define to 
>>> see shares on the server.  Typically it is used to share photos and
> video, but it can really be any 
>>> directory share in a certain path on WHS, all set up by user / password /
> directory / rights.  Oh, 
>>> and it also allows a remote access to other machines on the network,
> though I haven't gotten there yet.
>>> Anyway...
>>>
>>> The access to the shared directory is usable but crude, photos have to be
> "downloaded" and displayed 
>>> in an application of your choice on the remote computer.
>>>
>>> So someone came up with an add-in called WHIIST which allows you to
> create a photo album where you 
>>> simply create directories and then drag and drop photos into directories,
> again in a path specific 
>>> to this album, and voila, the visitor sees photos that you place there.
> To give you a taste of how 
>>> this works I have created a temporary user / password:
>>>
>>> User: AccessD
>>> PW: ^6tfc%5rdx
>>>
>>> Go to:
>>>
>>> colby.Homeserver.com
>>>
>>> and login to see the shared directory where you can add, delete and
> modify anything in that directory.
>>> which you can use to access specific directories and see some photos at:
>>>
>>> colby.homeserver.com/AccessD
>>>
>>>
>>> Give it a whirl.  I will be taking this AccessD user down in a day or two
> so try it now if you want 
>>> to see what WHS and WHIIST can do.
>>>
>>> This whole AccessD thing took about 20 minutes to get working using this
> WHIIST add-in.
>>> I have created my own custom user for my extended family, and placed a
> huge quantity of photos out 
>>> there.  What would be really nice is to be able to add captions etc and
> that is where this WHIIST 
>>> add-in stops short.  It is EXTREMELY easy to set up, create directories
> for "albums", drag photos 
>>> in, and you are done... but what you see is what you get.
>>>
>>> OTOH, this web page is just an IIS creation and so I should be able to
> find some other tool for 
>>> creating photo albums which has more flexibility.  Which brings me to the
> my question, do any of you 
>>> folks use an album widget on a web page which has the ability to add
> captions and such.  I am not 
>>> into complexity so if it is a lot of work I will just stay with what I
> have.  The photos are the 
>>> objective, captions are just icing, which I would like, but not if the
> cost is too high.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>   


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Aug  4 17:10:51 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:10:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
In-Reply-To: <005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com><E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com><402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>	<4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com><82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>
	<005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
Message-ID: <5DE0BDDDB860444AABA65B2F8C4694C5@jislaptopdev>

...hhhmmm ...no idea what you're doing but bing returns 241,000 hits on 
Kathryn Bassett for me.
...you stick with google ...they're going to need you soon enough :)

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Kathryn Bassett" <kathryn at bassett.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 5:40 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google

> William said:
>> ...I've fallen in love with bing ...still keep google available but use
>> it less and less.
>
> Doing a search on "Kathryn Bassett" gives 232 results on Bing and I'm not 
> on
> the first page of results (2nd page before you get to me). On Google, 
> there
> are 28,000 results and the majority (not all) of the ones on the first 
> page
> are me. I'll stick with Google.
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug  4 17:12:05 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:12:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
In-Reply-To: <005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><F7F17F79CF2A60418DC957FA11069BC701551442@ALBMX2K3.rt.oasas.state.ny.us>	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com><E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com><402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>	<4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>	<82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>
	<005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
Message-ID: <4A78B235.7040008@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL, just goes to show how useless Google is I guess.  Switching to Bing as we speak.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Kathryn Bassett wrote:
> William said:
>> ...I've fallen in love with bing ...still keep google available but use
>> it less and less.
> 
> Doing a search on "Kathryn Bassett" gives 232 results on Bing and I'm not on
> the first page of results (2nd page before you get to me). On Google, there
> are 28,000 results and the majority (not all) of the ones on the first page
> are me. I'll stick with Google.
> 
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net   
> 
> 
> 
> 


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Tue Aug  4 17:20:54 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:20:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
In-Reply-To: <4A78B09A.18565.42FC2B72@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>,
	<005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
	<4A78B09A.18565.42FC2B72@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1B5E2133EF8745B8B6FAB7859A005153@jislaptopdev>

...famous? ...more likely infamous :)

...its how you do the search ...your combo of names is likely to gather a 
lot more hits both together and separately ...I suspect Kati is using some 
advanced filter to arrive at the lower numbers she got ...the filtering is 
quite different between the two ...one of the reasons I usually prefer bing 
these days is it seems to deliver more quality hits where Google goes for 
quantity ...but I'm not looking to stir a war ...just saying that I prefer 
bing now.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 6:05 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bing vs Google

> Aah, vanity searches :-)
>
> I come up second overall on Bing (supposed out of 4,630,000 - which I find 
> very hard to
> believe) and third on Google (out of 11,200)
> .
> Does that mean I'm famous :-)
>
> -- 
> Stuart
>
>
> On 4 Aug 2009 at 14:40, Kathryn Bassett wrote:
>
>> William said:
>> > ...I've fallen in love with bing ...still keep google available but use
>> > it less and less.
>>
>> Doing a search on "Kathryn Bassett" gives 232 results on Bing and I'm not 
>> on
>> the first page of results (2nd page before you get to me). On Google, 
>> there
>> are 28,000 results and the majority (not all) of the ones on the first 
>> page
>> are me. I'll stick with Google.
>>
>> --
>> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
>> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
>> kathryn at bassett.net
>> http://bassett.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From krosenstiel at comcast.net  Tue Aug  4 19:28:19 2009
From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 17:28:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A789E9E.10362.42B5EAD9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<523C3D45373F4EB98F4997B952D7A0C7@jislaptopdev>,
	<4A7879E3.7070909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A789E9E.10362.42B5EAD9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <324F5BC9F9E445959BFC38DCE6555D89@bigmama>

Stuart,
Tried to use your "Contact US" and I kept getting 404 errors.

Pretty site, but there are a lot of validation errors (Watch the wrap):

http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lexacorp.com.pg%2F&charse
t=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 


Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 
-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: Web site photo album

I'm starting to do quite a bit of website work in conjunction with a good
graphic website guy. 
(I do all the backend database and interface stuff - he does all the pretty
stuff).

We are in the process of developing a new website for a government
department here. 
They decided that for "security reasons" they wanted to host their own web
server in house.
They have a 256Kb link to the world which also has to server their email and
web access for 
selected staff.   

It's not the first time that I've come across similar problems, so we ended
up doing a White Paper explaining the issues, including security and
bandwidth to hand out to clients.

You can get a copy from http:/www.lexacorp.com.pg - click on Resources and
download the second White Paper.

While you are there, have a look around - we've just totally rebuilt my old,
very amateurish looking site - comments, criticisms welcome.

I'd also appreciate it if you use the Contact Us form to leave me a message.
I've got PHP Geolocation code sitting behind it and would like to give it a
good trial.  If you use it I will let you know exactly what info I get about
your IP address and location through it.

--
Stuart





On 4 Aug 2009 at 14:11, jwcolby wrote:

> Yes, but colbyconsulting.com is a hosted site with gigabit connections to
the internet.  This is a 
> server running in my office connecting over my cable connection to the
internet.
> 
> I expect this to be much slower than my company web site.  This is first
and foremost an internal 
> server to my office with a very limited connection to the outside world.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> William Hindman wrote:
> > ...just a follow-up jc ...seeing that same throttle on everything I dl
from 
> > your WHS site.
> > ...your colbyconsulting.com site is much faster
> > 
> > William
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "William Hindman" <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 1:20 PM
> > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> > <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> > 
> >> ...52 secs ...~60kbps ...on a 16mbps Comcast fiber link ...definitely
some
> >> throttling going on at your end.
> >>
> >> William
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 12:51 PM
> >> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> >> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> >>
> >>>> A little slow but not bad.
> >>> The problem is that I am on cable, with different upload / download
> >>> speeds.  Uploads (from my end to
> >>> you) are at 500 kbit / second.  Downloads (from you to me) is at 5
mbit /
> >>> sec.  So for you to see
> >>> the pictures or get access to a file will occur at 1/10th the speed of
> >>> posting something up to the
> >>> directory.
> >>>
> >>> That said, the 3 mbit upload from my end to you SHOULD take 3 / .5 or
> >>> about 6 seconds.  that is the
> >>> FASTEST possible speed of course.  After that comes speeds at your
end,
> >>> other uses of the bandwidth
> >>> at my end etc.  If you have high speed internet I would have expected 
> >>> more
> >>> like the 6 second mark
> >>> though.
> >>>
> >>> It is also possible that there is some throttling taking place
somewhere
> >>> in IIS.  As I said I just
> >>> threw this up, and I know NOTHING about IIS.
> >>>
> >>> Can some other people time opening the collage and report your speeds?
> >>>
> >>> John W. Colby
> >>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Tesiny, Ed wrote:
> >>>> A little slow but not bad.  Pretty interesting.  I didn't have to
> >>>> download the photos, double clicking (I think double) gave me the
option
> >>>> to 'Open' or 'Save'.  I uploaded a photo of our spoiled pooch, cody,
> >>>> that happened pretty fast.  Opening the 3 Mb collage took about 30
> >>>> seconds.  Thanks, JC
> >>>>
> >>>> Ed Tesiny
> >>>> EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:01 AM
> >>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >>>> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Web site photo album
> >>>>
> >>>> I have rebuilt my Windows Home Server.  One of the things WHS allows
is
> >>>> to add a web page that can then be accessed from outside of your
> >>>> network.  To see the public face just go to
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> -- 
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> >>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>>
> >> -- 
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> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> > 
> -- 
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From kathryn at bassett.net  Tue Aug  4 20:17:15 2009
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:17:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
In-Reply-To: <1B5E2133EF8745B8B6FAB7859A005153@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>,
	<005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>	<4A78B09A.18565.42FC2B72@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<1B5E2133EF8745B8B6FAB7859A005153@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <005d01ca156a$77ded790$679c86b0$@net>

"This exact phrase" vs "all of these terms". The latter results in 253,000
records on Bing. William Hindman the former gets 339 records, William
Hindman the latter gets 183,000 records.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 3:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
> 
> ...famous? ...more likely infamous :)
> 
> ...its how you do the search ...your combo of names is likely to gather
> a
> lot more hits both together and separately ...I suspect Kati is using
> some
> advanced filter to arrive at the lower numbers she got ...the filtering
> is
> quite different between the two ...one of the reasons I usually prefer
> bing
> these days is it seems to deliver more quality hits where Google goes
> for
> quantity ...but I'm not looking to stir a war ...just saying that I
> prefer
> bing now.
> 
> William
baseadvisors.com



From paulrster at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 04:22:23 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:22:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
In-Reply-To: <005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev>
	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>
	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>
	<4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>
	<82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>
	<005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908050222j42f5c1b8w40e2d23237602923@mail.gmail.com>

Of course, it's a battle between giants that we can't win. Some will prefer
the new one.

But if loyalty goes to who provides the best service to us all, who offers a
zillion open source services, who doesn't creep into one's machine with
something mockingly termed Windows Genuine Advantage, who doesn't feel
obliged to charge a fortune for Office updates, who doesn't start flogging
OS years before they should be out of the Beta stage, then I know which one
attracts me the  more.

Every so often I will compare, as Kathryn does, how SEO is going on the
other one. But I am unlikely to forget, I hope, which organisation has put
the most into IT without a ruthless determination to rip off even the
poorest nations.

2009/8/4 Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>

> William said:
> > ...I've fallen in love with bing ...still keep google available but use
> > it less and less.
>
> Doing a search on "Kathryn Bassett" gives 232 results on Bing and I'm not
> on
> the first page of results (2nd page before you get to me). On Google, there
> are 28,000 results and the majority (not all) of the ones on the first page
> are me. I'll stick with Google.
>
> --
> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> kathryn at bassett.net
> http://bassett.net
>
>
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug  5 05:34:43 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:34:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Message-ID: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>

Thanks John

Though not 100% perfect in this matter myself, it's hard to find the Access story in a WHS photo album or a Bingy vs. Google debate.

/gustav


>>> john at winhaven.net 04-08-2009 23:49 >>>
Please give our moderators a break and use the correct list to post messages!





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 08:47:48 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:47:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>

It used to be that AccessD was a community of friends.  We had a TON of traffic every day, and off 
topic stuff was not only allowed but encouraged, to build the comradery.  All that was requested was 
a simple OT: in the subject line.

Now we have almost no traffic and even though nothing is going on, off topic stuff is discouraged.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Thanks John
> 
> Though not 100% perfect in this matter myself, it's hard to find the Access story in a WHS photo album or a Bingy vs. Google debate.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> john at winhaven.net 04-08-2009 23:49 >>>
> Please give our moderators a break and use the correct list to post messages!
> 
> 
> 


From john at winhaven.net  Wed Aug  5 09:28:36 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:28:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>

John, it's because we've added the other lists.

We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I have
a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.

We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT list.

I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 2007 via
DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders without a problem
- I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you will
feel that old camaraderie again.

The more the merrier!



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 10:44:17 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 11:44:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>
	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
Message-ID: <4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>

John,

It is my opinion that we have lost sight of the reasons for the other lists to begin with.

In the beginning was AccessD, and AccessD was with us, and AccessD was us, and it was good.

Then came a ton of traffic, and AccessD became overloaded, and OT was created to move some of the 
more ... lively... traffic off.  AccessD was good again.

As the world evolved and Access spread across the face of the world, AccessD again became overloaded 
and so other lists were created to channel specific interests, and AccessD was good again.

But as the evil Microsoft pushed its agenda and .Net spread across the world, interest in Access 
began to wane.  Still protected by the demigods, jealously pushing anything not Access related off 
to the other lists, AccessD began to die.

Now AccessD is a lonely place, devoid of life that was once so plentiful.

But the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC, bringer of great debates, wanders through the lonely landscape 
wondering if things must remain this way until the final day.  Perhaps it is time to renew the 
banter, the OT discussions, to breath fresh life into a dying world.  Perhaps it is time to merge 
the other lists, once so necessary, back into AccessD so that the once mighty list can again have 
meaning in the lonely lives of so many developers around the world.

The wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC would speak his humble mind and suggest that the OT list remain 
untouched, available for the more ... lively... crowd, and that perhaps all the other lists be 
merged back into AccessD.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


John Bartow wrote:
> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
> 
> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I have
> a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.
> 
> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT list.
> 
> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 2007 via
> DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders without a problem
> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you will
> feel that old camaraderie again.
> 
> The more the merrier!
> 


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug  5 11:02:10 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:02:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <BB72FBA46E43479A9680B70606394117@danwaters>

Hey John,  

Wondrous works for me!

I like the multiple lists.  I've set up Outlook rules that put all email
from the different lists into a single inbox folder that I've titled 'DB
Advisors'.  This way I get all the 'action' in one place, and by looking at
the source, I generally know what the subject category is.  And it's all
good!

The only issue I would like to ask everyone to try to address is when a
discussion goes off subject for many emails and no one changes the subject
line!  Please everyone - change the subject line!

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

John,

It is my opinion that we have lost sight of the reasons for the other lists
to begin with.

In the beginning was AccessD, and AccessD was with us, and AccessD was us,
and it was good.

Then came a ton of traffic, and AccessD became overloaded, and OT was
created to move some of the 
more ... lively... traffic off.  AccessD was good again.

As the world evolved and Access spread across the face of the world, AccessD
again became overloaded 
and so other lists were created to channel specific interests, and AccessD
was good again.

But as the evil Microsoft pushed its agenda and .Net spread across the
world, interest in Access 
began to wane.  Still protected by the demigods, jealously pushing anything
not Access related off 
to the other lists, AccessD began to die.

Now AccessD is a lonely place, devoid of life that was once so plentiful.

But the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC, bringer of great debates, wanders
through the lonely landscape 
wondering if things must remain this way until the final day.  Perhaps it is
time to renew the 
banter, the OT discussions, to breath fresh life into a dying world.
Perhaps it is time to merge 
the other lists, once so necessary, back into AccessD so that the once
mighty list can again have 
meaning in the lonely lives of so many developers around the world.

The wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC would speak his humble mind and suggest that
the OT list remain 
untouched, available for the more ... lively... crowd, and that perhaps all
the other lists be 
merged back into AccessD.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


John Bartow wrote:
> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
> 
> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I
have
> a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.
> 
> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT list.
> 
> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 2007
via
> DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders without a
problem
> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you will
> feel that old camaraderie again.
> 
> The more the merrier!
> 
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug  5 11:15:30 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:15:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <11291721E6A747BE9AD2B68668532C46@HAL9005>

Back in the early days of AccessD, when I first started using Access, the
list was like going to Access school every day.  Even if I had no
application for the thread, I read it and learned a lot.

Into that mix, I got exposed to a lot of other 'stuff' - like Citrix, I'd
never heard of it.  And info about hardware mostly as related to Access but
sometimes just stuff I could use.  And stuff about Windows and updates and
dlls, etc., etc. It was, as JC notes, a 'rich' text file. 

I think it's OK to have the other lists.  But I don't want to monitor all of
them. Merging everything back would be one solution.  Given the relatively
low numbers of posts on the other lists, and the ready accessibility of the
delete key, that would probably work. (except of course, BOD and owners)

But another compromise would be to loosen up on the Access-centric
requirement for posts to AccessD.  The stuff that came through recently was,
for sure OT.  Yet I read it with interest.  And learned some stuff.  And I
think there's a gray area between Access and SQL.  

It sounds like it might be a good reason to have a BOD meeting - maybe a
shareholders?  Are we due for some corporate formalities? And talk about the
policy we want.

In the mean time if the moderators will tolerate it, perhaps AccessD
subscribers would like to weigh in on what they want for the list policy.
Perhaps put "List Policy" in the subject so we can sort those?

Rocky




-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

John,

It is my opinion that we have lost sight of the reasons for the other lists
to begin with.

In the beginning was AccessD, and AccessD was with us, and AccessD was us,
and it was good.

Then came a ton of traffic, and AccessD became overloaded, and OT was
created to move some of the more ... lively... traffic off.  AccessD was
good again.

As the world evolved and Access spread across the face of the world, AccessD
again became overloaded and so other lists were created to channel specific
interests, and AccessD was good again.

But as the evil Microsoft pushed its agenda and .Net spread across the
world, interest in Access began to wane.  Still protected by the demigods,
jealously pushing anything not Access related off to the other lists,
AccessD began to die.

Now AccessD is a lonely place, devoid of life that was once so plentiful.

But the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC, bringer of great debates, wanders
through the lonely landscape wondering if things must remain this way until
the final day.  Perhaps it is time to renew the banter, the OT discussions,
to breath fresh life into a dying world.  Perhaps it is time to merge the
other lists, once so necessary, back into AccessD so that the once mighty
list can again have meaning in the lonely lives of so many developers around
the world.

The wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC would speak his humble mind and suggest that
the OT list remain untouched, available for the more ... lively... crowd,
and that perhaps all the other lists be merged back into AccessD.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


John Bartow wrote:
> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
> 
> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I 
> have a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.
> 
> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT list.
> 
> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 
> 2007 via DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders 
> without a problem
> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you 
> will feel that old camaraderie again.
> 
> The more the merrier!
> 
--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Wed Aug  5 11:21:27 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:21:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <11291721E6A747BE9AD2B68668532C46@HAL9005>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<11291721E6A747BE9AD2B68668532C46@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFBBC@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>


 As Dan Waters says, it's very easy to train your email client to 'merge' all the lists mail into one folder so you get the best of both worlds: lots of irrelevant emails mixed in with the occasional Access related one. :-)

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Back in the early days of AccessD, when I first started using Access, the list was like going to Access school every day.  Even if I had no application for the thread, I read it and learned a lot.

Into that mix, I got exposed to a lot of other 'stuff' - like Citrix, I'd never heard of it.  And info about hardware mostly as related to Access but sometimes just stuff I could use.  And stuff about Windows and updates and dlls, etc., etc. It was, as JC notes, a 'rich' text file.

I think it's OK to have the other lists.  But I don't want to monitor all of them. Merging everything back would be one solution.  Given the relatively low numbers of posts on the other lists, and the ready accessibility of the delete key, that would probably work. (except of course, BOD and owners)

But another compromise would be to loosen up on the Access-centric requirement for posts to AccessD.  The stuff that came through recently was, for sure OT.  Yet I read it with interest.  And learned some stuff.  And I think there's a gray area between Access and SQL.

It sounds like it might be a good reason to have a BOD meeting - maybe a shareholders?  Are we due for some corporate formalities? And talk about the policy we want.

In the mean time if the moderators will tolerate it, perhaps AccessD subscribers would like to weigh in on what they want for the list policy.
Perhaps put "List Policy" in the subject so we can sort those?

Rocky




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 11:29:38 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:29:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <BB72FBA46E43479A9680B70606394117@danwaters>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<BB72FBA46E43479A9680B70606394117@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4A79B372.7020904@colbyconsulting.com>

Dan,

Wondrous works for me too, as does nefarious.

Anyone can do filters, that is not an issue I am sure.  My concern is simply that a list needs 
traffic or it will not attract members.  Of course AccessD is an Access oriented list but in the end 
if the total traffic drops below a certain point, the list slowly dies.  It is my opinion that is 
the case with AccessD now, and I am simply trying to spark a discussion on that subject.

It can be argued either way.

Too much off topic traffic and no one wants to be on the list.  Not enough traffic of any kind and 
no one wants to be on the list.  Very likely we will retain the hard core membership, those who have 
been here forever, but a new member is going to see nothing happening and just go away.  On a day to 
day basis, I see nothing happening here.

Does AccessD even have a reason to exist anymore?  Access is still a huge installed base out there, 
where are all of the questions, all the newbies trying to make it work?

I think to some extent that having VB traffic, and SQL Server traffic, and Access traffic, and OT 
but technical traffic all flowing on this one list makes the list an interesting place to be even if 
there is nothing Access flowing today.  Having SQL Server traffic here makes people think about how 
SQL Server might work as a BE for Access.  Having .Net traffic here makes people think about how 
easy or hard it is to do things in one vs the other.

I was there voting for the other lists when this list was booming and I was wading through 200 
messages a day.  That is no longer the case and (in market speak) I fear that we have diluted the 
brand to the point where the brand is meaningless.

I belong to several of the other lists (though not OT) and see little if any traffic on any of them. 
  As a newcomer, why would I subscribe to 5 different lists with no traffic on any of them?  OTOH I 
might subscribe to one list with a fair amount of technical traffic of various sorts, but a strong 
Access guru base.

Again, I am simply trying to spark a discussion on this subject.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Dan Waters wrote:
> Hey John,  
> 
> Wondrous works for me!
> 
> I like the multiple lists.  I've set up Outlook rules that put all email
> from the different lists into a single inbox folder that I've titled 'DB
> Advisors'.  This way I get all the 'action' in one place, and by looking at
> the source, I generally know what the subject category is.  And it's all
> good!
> 
> The only issue I would like to ask everyone to try to address is when a
> discussion goes off subject for many emails and no one changes the subject
> line!  Please everyone - change the subject line!
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug  5 11:34:25 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:34:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A79B372.7020904@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com><BB72FBA46E43479A9680B70606394117@danwaters>
	<4A79B372.7020904@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3516AF06D515465A8BA3B4CC61FC6797@HAL9005>

What is the average number of posts per day - all lists?

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Dan,

Wondrous works for me too, as does nefarious.

Anyone can do filters, that is not an issue I am sure.  My concern is simply
that a list needs traffic or it will not attract members.  Of course AccessD
is an Access oriented list but in the end if the total traffic drops below a
certain point, the list slowly dies.  It is my opinion that is the case with
AccessD now, and I am simply trying to spark a discussion on that subject.

It can be argued either way.

Too much off topic traffic and no one wants to be on the list.  Not enough
traffic of any kind and no one wants to be on the list.  Very likely we will
retain the hard core membership, those who have been here forever, but a new
member is going to see nothing happening and just go away.  On a day to day
basis, I see nothing happening here.

Does AccessD even have a reason to exist anymore?  Access is still a huge
installed base out there, where are all of the questions, all the newbies
trying to make it work?

I think to some extent that having VB traffic, and SQL Server traffic, and
Access traffic, and OT but technical traffic all flowing on this one list
makes the list an interesting place to be even if there is nothing Access
flowing today.  Having SQL Server traffic here makes people think about how
SQL Server might work as a BE for Access.  Having .Net traffic here makes
people think about how easy or hard it is to do things in one vs the other.

I was there voting for the other lists when this list was booming and I was
wading through 200 messages a day.  That is no longer the case and (in
market speak) I fear that we have diluted the brand to the point where the
brand is meaningless.

I belong to several of the other lists (though not OT) and see little if any
traffic on any of them. 
  As a newcomer, why would I subscribe to 5 different lists with no traffic
on any of them?  OTOH I might subscribe to one list with a fair amount of
technical traffic of various sorts, but a strong Access guru base.

Again, I am simply trying to spark a discussion on this subject.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Dan Waters wrote:
> Hey John,
> 
> Wondrous works for me!
> 
> I like the multiple lists.  I've set up Outlook rules that put all 
> email from the different lists into a single inbox folder that I've 
> titled 'DB Advisors'.  This way I get all the 'action' in one place, 
> and by looking at the source, I generally know what the subject 
> category is.  And it's all good!
> 
> The only issue I would like to ask everyone to try to address is when 
> a discussion goes off subject for many emails and no one changes the 
> subject line!  Please everyone - change the subject line!
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan

--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Aug  5 11:44:01 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:44:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
In-Reply-To: <1ad7dee90908050222j42f5c1b8w40e2d23237602923@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com><4A78672A.6010803@colbyconsulting.com><85F46B7C1325498892C79F2D19713176@jislaptopdev><4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com><E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev><4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com><402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev><4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com><82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev><005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
	<1ad7dee90908050222j42f5c1b8w40e2d23237602923@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D11EAE3F2290427E9959E83E6642D2BE@jislaptopdev>


...so you hate MS ...I don't let my politics interfere with my work.
...I use Bing because I prefer the results I get ...if another search engine 
gave me better results, I'd use it.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Paul Rodgers" <paulrster at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:22 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bing vs Google

> Of course, it's a battle between giants that we can't win. Some will 
> prefer
> the new one.
>
> But if loyalty goes to who provides the best service to us all, who offers 
> a
> zillion open source services, who doesn't creep into one's machine with
> something mockingly termed Windows Genuine Advantage, who doesn't feel
> obliged to charge a fortune for Office updates, who doesn't start flogging
> OS years before they should be out of the Beta stage, then I know which 
> one
> attracts me the  more.
>
> Every so often I will compare, as Kathryn does, how SEO is going on the
> other one. But I am unlikely to forget, I hope, which organisation has put
> the most into IT without a ruthless determination to rip off even the
> poorest nations.
>
> 2009/8/4 Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>
>
>> William said:
>> > ...I've fallen in love with bing ...still keep google available but use
>> > it less and less.
>>
>> Doing a search on "Kathryn Bassett" gives 232 results on Bing and I'm not
>> on
>> the first page of results (2nd page before you get to me). On Google, 
>> there
>> are 28,000 results and the majority (not all) of the ones on the first 
>> page
>> are me. I'll stick with Google.
>>
>> --
>> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
>> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
>> kathryn at bassett.net
>> http://bassett.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug  5 11:52:20 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 11:52:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A79B372.7020904@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com><BB72FBA46E43479A9680B70606394117@danwaters>
	<4A79B372.7020904@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <D70DA1AB6B5440AF89DF078725DD179D@danwaters>

I know when I started on this list I had much to learn.  How many new people
are subscribing?  Perhaps the moderators have enough data to show what the
'new subscriber' monthly rate has been from the beginning till now.  A chart
would be in order!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:30 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Dan,

Wondrous works for me too, as does nefarious.

Anyone can do filters, that is not an issue I am sure.  My concern is simply
that a list needs 
traffic or it will not attract members.  Of course AccessD is an Access
oriented list but in the end 
if the total traffic drops below a certain point, the list slowly dies.  It
is my opinion that is 
the case with AccessD now, and I am simply trying to spark a discussion on
that subject.

It can be argued either way.

Too much off topic traffic and no one wants to be on the list.  Not enough
traffic of any kind and 
no one wants to be on the list.  Very likely we will retain the hard core
membership, those who have 
been here forever, but a new member is going to see nothing happening and
just go away.  On a day to 
day basis, I see nothing happening here.

Does AccessD even have a reason to exist anymore?  Access is still a huge
installed base out there, 
where are all of the questions, all the newbies trying to make it work?

I think to some extent that having VB traffic, and SQL Server traffic, and
Access traffic, and OT 
but technical traffic all flowing on this one list makes the list an
interesting place to be even if 
there is nothing Access flowing today.  Having SQL Server traffic here makes
people think about how 
SQL Server might work as a BE for Access.  Having .Net traffic here makes
people think about how 
easy or hard it is to do things in one vs the other.

I was there voting for the other lists when this list was booming and I was
wading through 200 
messages a day.  That is no longer the case and (in market speak) I fear
that we have diluted the 
brand to the point where the brand is meaningless.

I belong to several of the other lists (though not OT) and see little if any
traffic on any of them. 
  As a newcomer, why would I subscribe to 5 different lists with no traffic
on any of them?  OTOH I 
might subscribe to one list with a fair amount of technical traffic of
various sorts, but a strong 
Access guru base.

Again, I am simply trying to spark a discussion on this subject.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Dan Waters wrote:
> Hey John,  
> 
> Wondrous works for me!
> 
> I like the multiple lists.  I've set up Outlook rules that put all email
> from the different lists into a single inbox folder that I've titled 'DB
> Advisors'.  This way I get all the 'action' in one place, and by looking
at
> the source, I generally know what the subject category is.  And it's all
> good!
> 
> The only issue I would like to ask everyone to try to address is when a
> discussion goes off subject for many emails and no one changes the subject
> line!  Please everyone - change the subject line!
> 
> Thanks!
> Dan

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Aug  5 11:55:41 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:55:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>

...I'm with the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC on this

...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I remember 
that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still on 
dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access related 
posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.

...that is no longer the case

...the current board ought to consider reintegrating some of the lists 
...not OT ...but others with low traffic.

...JC is, unfortunately, right about the list being dead far too often these 
days.

...and John, this is not a hit on you ...you're just doing your job and I 
appreciate just how well you do it.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:44 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

> John,
>
> It is my opinion that we have lost sight of the reasons for the other 
> lists to begin with.
>
> In the beginning was AccessD, and AccessD was with us, and AccessD was us, 
> and it was good.
>
> Then came a ton of traffic, and AccessD became overloaded, and OT was 
> created to move some of the
> more ... lively... traffic off.  AccessD was good again.
>
> As the world evolved and Access spread across the face of the world, 
> AccessD again became overloaded
> and so other lists were created to channel specific interests, and AccessD 
> was good again.
>
> But as the evil Microsoft pushed its agenda and .Net spread across the 
> world, interest in Access
> began to wane.  Still protected by the demigods, jealously pushing 
> anything not Access related off
> to the other lists, AccessD began to die.
>
> Now AccessD is a lonely place, devoid of life that was once so plentiful.
>
> But the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC, bringer of great debates, wanders 
> through the lonely landscape
> wondering if things must remain this way until the final day.  Perhaps it 
> is time to renew the
> banter, the OT discussions, to breath fresh life into a dying world. 
> Perhaps it is time to merge
> the other lists, once so necessary, back into AccessD so that the once 
> mighty list can again have
> meaning in the lonely lives of so many developers around the world.
>
> The wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC would speak his humble mind and suggest 
> that the OT list remain
> untouched, available for the more ... lively... crowd, and that perhaps 
> all the other lists be
> merged back into AccessD.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
>>
>> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I 
>> have
>> a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.
>>
>> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT 
>> list.
>>
>> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 2007 
>> via
>> DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders without a 
>> problem
>> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
>> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you will
>> feel that old camaraderie again.
>>
>> The more the merrier!
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From paulrster at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 11:57:50 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:57:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
In-Reply-To: <D11EAE3F2290427E9959E83E6642D2BE@jislaptopdev>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A78748C.8030500@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E63E71CE3880473E8211CB869F8C1329@jislaptopdev>
	<4A787ABB.9070602@colbyconsulting.com>
	<402CC13F2A1949ECA3F890EC74B0B7BF@jislaptopdev>
	<4A788276.6050405@colbyconsulting.com>
	<82A51C85C7D44183A841B088538354C9@jislaptopdev>
	<005201ca154c$30352ed0$909f8c70$@net>
	<1ad7dee90908050222j42f5c1b8w40e2d23237602923@mail.gmail.com>
	<D11EAE3F2290427E9959E83E6642D2BE@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908050957r1ee89046mdf1a7f54793f66ac@mail.gmail.com>

Don't hate anyone or anything, William. Just try to support those who might
be there for the common good. I had 3.1, and I was there on the day 95 came
out. That organisation has brought a tremendous lot of pleasure into my
life. But I do try to keep a balanced look at it all ... and when I look at
a photo of the little group of altruistic students right at the beginning of
microsoft, I feel sad that it all turned out the way it has. I don't believe
the amount of profit one makes proves one's real worth.
Cheers, all. No nastiness, no getting at anybody in my observations, just
how it seems to me, that's all.

2009/8/5 William Hindman <wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com>

>
> ...so you hate MS ...I don't let my politics interfere with my work.
> ...I use Bing because I prefer the results I get ...if another search
> engine
> gave me better results, I'd use it.
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Paul Rodgers" <paulrster at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 5:22 AM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Bing vs Google
>
> > Of course, it's a battle between giants that we can't win. Some will
> > prefer
> > the new one.
> >
> > But if loyalty goes to who provides the best service to us all, who
> offers
> > a
> > zillion open source services, who doesn't creep into one's machine with
> > something mockingly termed Windows Genuine Advantage, who doesn't feel
> > obliged to charge a fortune for Office updates, who doesn't start
> flogging
> > OS years before they should be out of the Beta stage, then I know which
> > one
> > attracts me the  more.
> >
> > Every so often I will compare, as Kathryn does, how SEO is going on the
> > other one. But I am unlikely to forget, I hope, which organisation has
> put
> > the most into IT without a ruthless determination to rip off even the
> > poorest nations.
> >
> > 2009/8/4 Kathryn Bassett <kathryn at bassett.net>
> >
> >> William said:
> >> > ...I've fallen in love with bing ...still keep google available but
> use
> >> > it less and less.
> >>
> >> Doing a search on "Kathryn Bassett" gives 232 results on Bing and I'm
> not
> >> on
> >> the first page of results (2nd page before you get to me). On Google,
> >> there
> >> are 28,000 results and the majority (not all) of the ones on the first
> >> page
> >> are me. I'll stick with Google.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
> >> "Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
> >> kathryn at bassett.net
> >> http://bassett.net
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug  5 12:05:21 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:05:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk><4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net><4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <26F7D981526E4CF79D6281D36485138F@HAL9005>

Re JC: yeah he did it so well all the questions   have been answered. :)

R

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:56 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

...I'm with the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC on this

...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I remember
that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still on
dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access related
posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.

...that is no longer the case

...the current board ought to consider reintegrating some of the lists
...not OT ...but others with low traffic.

...JC is, unfortunately, right about the list being dead far too often these
days.

...and John, this is not a hit on you ...you're just doing your job and I
appreciate just how well you do it.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:44 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

> John,
>
> It is my opinion that we have lost sight of the reasons for the other 
> lists to begin with.
>
> In the beginning was AccessD, and AccessD was with us, and AccessD was 
> us, and it was good.
>
> Then came a ton of traffic, and AccessD became overloaded, and OT was 
> created to move some of the more ... lively... traffic off.  AccessD 
> was good again.
>
> As the world evolved and Access spread across the face of the world, 
> AccessD again became overloaded and so other lists were created to 
> channel specific interests, and AccessD was good again.
>
> But as the evil Microsoft pushed its agenda and .Net spread across the 
> world, interest in Access began to wane.  Still protected by the 
> demigods, jealously pushing anything not Access related off to the 
> other lists, AccessD began to die.
>
> Now AccessD is a lonely place, devoid of life that was once so plentiful.
>
> But the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC, bringer of great debates, wanders 
> through the lonely landscape wondering if things must remain this way 
> until the final day.  Perhaps it is time to renew the banter, the OT 
> discussions, to breath fresh life into a dying world.
> Perhaps it is time to merge
> the other lists, once so necessary, back into AccessD so that the once 
> mighty list can again have meaning in the lonely lives of so many 
> developers around the world.
>
> The wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC would speak his humble mind and 
> suggest that the OT list remain untouched, available for the more ... 
> lively... crowd, and that perhaps all the other lists be merged back 
> into AccessD.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
>>
>> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. 
>> I have a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it 
>> also.
>>
>> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT 
>> list.
>>
>> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 
>> 2007 via DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders 
>> without a problem
>> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
>> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you 
>> will feel that old camaraderie again.
>>
>> The more the merrier!
>>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 12:15:00 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:15:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4A79BE14.2070202@colbyconsulting.com>

 > ...and John, this is not a hit on you ...you're just doing your job and I appreciate just how 
well you do it.

As do I John.  You are doing a great job, I just feel it is time to re-evaluate where we are.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


William Hindman wrote:
> ...I'm with the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC on this
> 
> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I remember 
> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still on 
> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access related 
> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
> 
> ...that is no longer the case
> 
> ...the current board ought to consider reintegrating some of the lists 
> ...not OT ...but others with low traffic.
> 
> ...JC is, unfortunately, right about the list being dead far too often these 
> days.
> 
> ...and John, this is not a hit on you ...you're just doing your job and I 
> appreciate just how well you do it.
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:44 AM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
>> John,
>>
>> It is my opinion that we have lost sight of the reasons for the other 
>> lists to begin with.
>>
>> In the beginning was AccessD, and AccessD was with us, and AccessD was us, 
>> and it was good.
>>
>> Then came a ton of traffic, and AccessD became overloaded, and OT was 
>> created to move some of the
>> more ... lively... traffic off.  AccessD was good again.
>>
>> As the world evolved and Access spread across the face of the world, 
>> AccessD again became overloaded
>> and so other lists were created to channel specific interests, and AccessD 
>> was good again.
>>
>> But as the evil Microsoft pushed its agenda and .Net spread across the 
>> world, interest in Access
>> began to wane.  Still protected by the demigods, jealously pushing 
>> anything not Access related off
>> to the other lists, AccessD began to die.
>>
>> Now AccessD is a lonely place, devoid of life that was once so plentiful.
>>
>> But the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC, bringer of great debates, wanders 
>> through the lonely landscape
>> wondering if things must remain this way until the final day.  Perhaps it 
>> is time to renew the
>> banter, the OT discussions, to breath fresh life into a dying world. 
>> Perhaps it is time to merge
>> the other lists, once so necessary, back into AccessD so that the once 
>> mighty list can again have
>> meaning in the lonely lives of so many developers around the world.
>>
>> The wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC would speak his humble mind and suggest 
>> that the OT list remain
>> untouched, available for the more ... lively... crowd, and that perhaps 
>> all the other lists be
>> merged back into AccessD.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> John Bartow wrote:
>>> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
>>>
>>> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I 
>>> have
>>> a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.
>>>
>>> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT 
>>> list.
>>>
>>> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 2007 
>>> via
>>> DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders without a 
>>> problem
>>> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
>>> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you will
>>> feel that old camaraderie again.
>>>
>>> The more the merrier!
>>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> 


From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 12:27:22 2009
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:27:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com> 
	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com> 
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, William
Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:

> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I remember
> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still on
> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access related
> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
>
> ...that is no longer the case

Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.

What I do know is there are still some of our more frequent
contributors that are still on dial-up.

-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 12:42:08 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:42:08 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Message-ID: <7c7841600908051042r3d472eb4x75a5ab4e6e7dddb@mail.gmail.com>

Count me in -- I think the technical lists should be merged into AccessD.
Keep OT for those who like it.

I use GMail, and I would like a more web-friendly mail digest format -- I
find it too hard to follow the long threads on a web-based mail reader.

Yahoo groups has a very nice digest format, with links to the various
messages at the top, and 'Reply to' links for each message which would save
users having to editing the generic "Re: Contents of AccessD digest..."
subject.

Google groups has a ' - Show quoted text - ' link, which hides previous
responses in a message, which would clean up the digest considerably, as
well.

Such usability tweaks would make the list more accessible to the new
generation of web-only mail users.

-Ken


From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Aug  5 12:56:03 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:56:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>
	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net><4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
	<e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0DD08DC072A482BA3AE5ADFB438B667@jislaptopdev>

...way back, the % was better than 50% ...what is it now?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:27 PM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, William
> Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I 
>> remember
>> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still 
>> on
>> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access 
>> related
>> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
>>
>> ...that is no longer the case
>
> Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.
>
> What I do know is there are still some of our more frequent
> contributors that are still on dial-up.
>
> -- 
> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
> shouting "What a great ride!"
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 12:55:14 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 18:55:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>
	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
	<e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a79c7f9.0506d00a.7e05.223f@mx.google.com>

Why is dial up an issue?
I am on mobile which  is slower than dial up.  Unless you are referring to
costs, in which case dial up probably would be a factor.
Whilst holding my hands up to the crime of getting carried away in the OT
discussion, I have two points of view. 

One is that I do enjoy the camaraderie that exists which in turn engenders
the spirit of helping and assistance to others and from this aspect I am
happy for ANYTHING which is IT related but not for stuff outside of IT - OT
List is the place for that.

The second is that if I were a NEWBIE looking to join a well informed list I
*might* be put off by all the non-Access chatter.  Particularly as we are
without a decent Search Engine for postings.

I can see both sides of the fence, so to speak.  Sitting here is putting
splinters up my bum.

Even when stuff appears to be non-Access, it often exists hand in hand with
Access and other IT software deployment.  A case in point was all the stuff
over Virtual PCs and Security - all of which had a direct and real bearing
on my deployment of my Access FE and BE to make it more secure.  The stuff
over .Net etc is similarly influencing my Access stuff.

Personally, I would say 

1. Non-IT goes to OT.  
2. Any IT related matters should be allowed because many of them are short
lived.  But any Moderator can ask for it to be taken to dba-tech if it looks
like running.  Listers should just honour the request without argument and
move it over - as Lambert said, it is so easy to merge email lists at client
level it become almost transparent.
3. Encourage more to join to keep Access which is fore-front in RAD as per
Stuart's comment on his web site.

Max

Enough argument - off to the pub.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell
Sent: 05 August 2009 18:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, William
Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:

> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I
remember
> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still
on
> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access related
> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
>
> ...that is no longer the case

Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.

What I do know is there are still some of our more frequent
contributors that are still on dial-up.




From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Aug  5 13:04:02 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:04:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>
	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
Message-ID: <9B5C0CF50496492B9BB0156219F2D5D5@jislaptopdev>

John

...if I have to subscribe to all the other lists to capture the few 
non-access threads that might interest me, why are they separate ...and if I 
don't subscribe to them, then the current OT policy on AccessD is blocking 
me from the opportunity of seeing them.

...there was once a good technical reason for the separate lists ...I'm 
awaiting Bryan's input on just how valid that remains.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:28 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
>
> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I 
> have
> a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.
>
> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT list.
>
> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 2007 
> via
> DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders without a 
> problem
> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you will
> feel that old camaraderie again.
>
> The more the merrier!
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com  Wed Aug  5 13:12:52 2009
From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:12:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a79c7f9.0506d00a.7e05.223f@mx.google.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com><030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev><e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a79c7f9.0506d00a.7e05.223f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>

...it was cost Max ...dial-up users were complaining about non-access 
material doubling and tripling their bills.

...but are per minute charges still the norm in internet dial-up access 
today?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:55 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

> Why is dial up an issue?
> I am on mobile which  is slower than dial up.  Unless you are referring to
> costs, in which case dial up probably would be a factor.
> Whilst holding my hands up to the crime of getting carried away in the OT
> discussion, I have two points of view.
>
> One is that I do enjoy the camaraderie that exists which in turn engenders
> the spirit of helping and assistance to others and from this aspect I am
> happy for ANYTHING which is IT related but not for stuff outside of IT - 
> OT
> List is the place for that.
>
> The second is that if I were a NEWBIE looking to join a well informed list 
> I
> *might* be put off by all the non-Access chatter.  Particularly as we are
> without a decent Search Engine for postings.
>
> I can see both sides of the fence, so to speak.  Sitting here is putting
> splinters up my bum.
>
> Even when stuff appears to be non-Access, it often exists hand in hand 
> with
> Access and other IT software deployment.  A case in point was all the 
> stuff
> over Virtual PCs and Security - all of which had a direct and real bearing
> on my deployment of my Access FE and BE to make it more secure.  The stuff
> over .Net etc is similarly influencing my Access stuff.
>
> Personally, I would say
>
> 1. Non-IT goes to OT.
> 2. Any IT related matters should be allowed because many of them are short
> lived.  But any Moderator can ask for it to be taken to dba-tech if it 
> looks
> like running.  Listers should just honour the request without argument and
> move it over - as Lambert said, it is so easy to merge email lists at 
> client
> level it become almost transparent.
> 3. Encourage more to join to keep Access which is fore-front in RAD as per
> Stuart's comment on his web site.
>
> Max
>
> Enough argument - off to the pub.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan 
> Carbonnell
> Sent: 05 August 2009 18:27
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, William
> Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I
> remember
>> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still
> on
>> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access 
>> related
>> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
>>
>> ...that is no longer the case
>
> Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.
>
> What I do know is there are still some of our more frequent
> contributors that are still on dial-up.
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 13:44:29 2009
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:44:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <F0DD08DC072A482BA3AE5ADFB438B667@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com> 
	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com> 
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
	<e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com> 
	<F0DD08DC072A482BA3AE5ADFB438B667@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920908051144r5580b418j43867263ec309c47@mail.gmail.com>

No idea that is why I wrote:

>> Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.

Bryan


On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 1:56 PM, William
Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> ...way back, the % was better than 50% ...what is it now?
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Bryan Carbonnell" <carbonnb at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:27 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, William
>> Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I
>>> remember
>>> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still
>>> on
>>> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access
>>> related
>>> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
>>>
>>> ...that is no longer the case
>>
>> Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.
>>
>> What I do know is there are still some of our more frequent
>> contributors that are still on dial-up.
>>
>> --
>> Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
>> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
>> preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
>> shouting "What a great ride!"
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Wed Aug  5 13:46:09 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:46:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <9B5C0CF50496492B9BB0156219F2D5D5@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>
	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<9B5C0CF50496492B9BB0156219F2D5D5@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFC11@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>


 Do you buy all your books and magazines in one giant omnibus edition?

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

John

...if I have to subscribe to all the other lists to capture the few non-access threads that might interest me, why are they separate ...and if I don't subscribe to them, then the current OT policy on AccessD is blocking me from the opportunity of seeing them.

...there was once a good technical reason for the separate lists ...I'm awaiting Bryan's input on just how valid that remains.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Bartow" <john at winhaven.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:28 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
>
> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I
> have a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.
>
> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT list.
>
> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook
> 2007 via DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders
> without a problem
> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you
> will feel that old camaraderie again.
>
> The more the merrier!
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>

--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From carbonnb at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 13:49:03 2009
From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:49:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com> 
	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com> 
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
	<e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4a79c7f9.0506d00a.7e05.223f@mx.google.com>
	<D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <e04a6c920908051149n6b42a5e6o3692093b03bba979@mail.gmail.com>

It depends on where in the world you are.

In N.A. it isn't. It's usually a flat rate per month, but in other
countries that isn't the case.

Bryan

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, William
Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> ...it was cost Max ...dial-up users were complaining about non-access
> material doubling and tripling their bills.
>
> ...but are per minute charges still the norm in internet dial-up access
> today?
>
> William
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
>> Why is dial up an issue?
>> I am on mobile which ?is slower than dial up. ?Unless you are referring to
>> costs, in which case dial up probably would be a factor.
>> Whilst holding my hands up to the crime of getting carried away in the OT
>> discussion, I have two points of view.
>>
>> One is that I do enjoy the camaraderie that exists which in turn engenders
>> the spirit of helping and assistance to others and from this aspect I am
>> happy for ANYTHING which is IT related but not for stuff outside of IT -
>> OT
>> List is the place for that.
>>
>> The second is that if I were a NEWBIE looking to join a well informed list
>> I
>> *might* be put off by all the non-Access chatter. ?Particularly as we are
>> without a decent Search Engine for postings.
>>
>> I can see both sides of the fence, so to speak. ?Sitting here is putting
>> splinters up my bum.
>>
>> Even when stuff appears to be non-Access, it often exists hand in hand
>> with
>> Access and other IT software deployment. ?A case in point was all the
>> stuff
>> over Virtual PCs and Security - all of which had a direct and real bearing
>> on my deployment of my Access FE and BE to make it more secure. ?The stuff
>> over .Net etc is similarly influencing my Access stuff.
>>
>> Personally, I would say
>>
>> 1. Non-IT goes to OT.
>> 2. Any IT related matters should be allowed because many of them are short
>> lived. ?But any Moderator can ask for it to be taken to dba-tech if it
>> looks
>> like running. ?Listers should just honour the request without argument and
>> move it over - as Lambert said, it is so easy to merge email lists at
>> client
>> level it become almost transparent.
>> 3. Encourage more to join to keep Access which is fore-front in RAD as per
>> Stuart's comment on his web site.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> Enough argument - off to the pub.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
>> Carbonnell
>> Sent: 05 August 2009 18:27
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, William
>> Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I
>> remember
>>> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still
>> on
>>> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access
>>> related
>>> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
>>>
>>> ...that is no longer the case
>>
>> Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.
>>
>> What I do know is there are still some of our more frequent
>> contributors that are still on dial-up.
>>
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com
Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well
preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out,
shouting "What a great ride!"



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 13:51:04 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:51:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com><030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev><e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com>	<4a79c7f9.0506d00a.7e05.223f@mx.google.com>
	<D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <4a79d510.0a04d00a.1be8.ffffd5d9@mx.google.com>

William:

I think that is fair comment. If they are paying to download "our ramblings"
then they have a reasonable argument.

AFAIK, dial up costs are much the same as  ever.  On mobile I pay a variable
?sum for a variable Download per month, eg ?15 per 5Gb.  In my case I never
hit that UNLESS I am reinstalling, updating stuff.  Some people download
films, etc which shoves their rate up.  Excess charges if you exceed
agreed/paid rate  is exorbitant and can be ?200 for an extra 1Mb.  So stay
within agreed limits!!!

Max

Ps. Sending you come stuff off line.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: 05 August 2009 19:13
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

...it was cost Max ...dial-up users were complaining about non-access 
material doubling and tripling their bills.

...but are per minute charges still the norm in internet dial-up access 
today?

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:55 PM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

> Why is dial up an issue?
> I am on mobile which  is slower than dial up.  Unless you are referring to
> costs, in which case dial up probably would be a factor.
> Whilst holding my hands up to the crime of getting carried away in the OT
> discussion, I have two points of view.
>
> One is that I do enjoy the camaraderie that exists which in turn engenders
> the spirit of helping and assistance to others and from this aspect I am
> happy for ANYTHING which is IT related but not for stuff outside of IT - 
> OT
> List is the place for that.
>
> The second is that if I were a NEWBIE looking to join a well informed list

> I
> *might* be put off by all the non-Access chatter.  Particularly as we are
> without a decent Search Engine for postings.
>
> I can see both sides of the fence, so to speak.  Sitting here is putting
> splinters up my bum.
>
> Even when stuff appears to be non-Access, it often exists hand in hand 
> with
> Access and other IT software deployment.  A case in point was all the 
> stuff
> over Virtual PCs and Security - all of which had a direct and real bearing
> on my deployment of my Access FE and BE to make it more secure.  The stuff
> over .Net etc is similarly influencing my Access stuff.
>
> Personally, I would say
>
> 1. Non-IT goes to OT.
> 2. Any IT related matters should be allowed because many of them are short
> lived.  But any Moderator can ask for it to be taken to dba-tech if it 
> looks
> like running.  Listers should just honour the request without argument and
> move it over - as Lambert said, it is so easy to merge email lists at 
> client
> level it become almost transparent.
> 3. Encourage more to join to keep Access which is fore-front in RAD as per
> Stuart's comment on his web site.
>
> Max
>
> Enough argument - off to the pub.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan 
> Carbonnell
> Sent: 05 August 2009 18:27
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, William
> Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
>
>> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I
> remember
>> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still
> on
>> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access 
>> related
>> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
>>
>> ...that is no longer the case
>
> Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.
>
> What I do know is there are still some of our more frequent
> contributors that are still on dial-up.
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 13:56:39 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:56:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFC11@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<9B5C0CF50496492B9BB0156219F2D5D5@jislaptopdev>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFC11@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4A79D5E7.2070105@colbyconsulting.com>

No.  Unlike the technical book publishers however, AccessD appears to me to be dying.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
>  Do you buy all your books and magazines in one giant omnibus edition?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 2:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> John
> 
> ...if I have to subscribe to all the other lists to capture the few non-access threads that might interest me, why are they separate ...and if I don't subscribe to them, then the current OT policy on AccessD is blocking me from the opportunity of seeing them.
> 
> ...there was once a good technical reason for the separate lists ...I'm awaiting Bryan's input on just how valid that remains.
> 
> William



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 14:14:52 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:14:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a79d510.0a04d00a.1be8.ffffd5d9@mx.google.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com><030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev><e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com>	<4a79c7f9.0506d00a.7e05.223f@mx.google.com>	<D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>
	<4a79d510.0a04d00a.1be8.ffffd5d9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A79DA2C.70603@colbyconsulting.com>

And of course that is an honest argument.  The flip side of the coin is that if no one comes to the 
list anymore because it is "dead", then the list really and truly dies for everyone, dial up of not.

A year or so I left the list for awhile because it had so many messages, most about Access, but 
absolutely none of it of interest to me.  I was getting no technical value from the list, and when I 
tried to spark discussions about fairly technical stuff that I was interested in (again Access 
related as it happens) I couldn't wade through the muck.

Now the exact opposite is happening.  There is absolutely nothing going on here on a day to day basis.

Perhaps AccessD truly has no purpose anymore.  We certainly seem to have lost whatever it was that 
drew such a healthy crowd / discussion to the list.  I am simply asking whether it might be that the 
other lists, truly necessary in the past, now are a hindrance to our survival.  Maybe merging the 
lists won't matter at all, maybe there just isn't the interest in the list and the subject matter 
any more.  However I do think it is indisputable that the original need for the other lists (over 
the top traffic) is pretty much gone.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> William:
> 
> I think that is fair comment. If they are paying to download "our ramblings"
> then they have a reasonable argument.
> 
> AFAIK, dial up costs are much the same as  ever.  On mobile I pay a variable
> ?sum for a variable Download per month, eg ?15 per 5Gb.  In my case I never
> hit that UNLESS I am reinstalling, updating stuff.  Some people download
> films, etc which shoves their rate up.  Excess charges if you exceed
> agreed/paid rate  is exorbitant and can be ?200 for an extra 1Mb.  So stay
> within agreed limits!!!
> 
> Max
> 
> Ps. Sending you come stuff off line.



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 14:49:35 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:49:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk><4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<9B5C0CF50496492B9BB0156219F2D5D5@jislaptopdev><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFC11@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4A79D5E7.2070105@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <E6BF061C76C2447C96F7B215D113FB8E@SusanOne>

JC, it might not be what you need, but I'd hardly say this list is dying. I 
get a great deal from the list.

Susan H.


> No.  Unlike the technical book publishers however, AccessD appears to me 
> to be dying.



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 14:55:44 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:55:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <E6BF061C76C2447C96F7B215D113FB8E@SusanOne>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk><4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<9B5C0CF50496492B9BB0156219F2D5D5@jislaptopdev><B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFC11@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4A79D5E7.2070105@colbyconsulting.com>
	<E6BF061C76C2447C96F7B215D113FB8E@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4a79e447.0508d00a.12f8.ffffb62c@mx.google.com>

Me too.  I gets tons of stuff, technical and non-technical.

As long as we all stick together we will be just fine.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 05 August 2009 20:50
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

JC, it might not be what you need, but I'd hardly say this list is dying. I 
get a great deal from the list.

Susan H.


> No.  Unlike the technical book publishers however, AccessD appears to me 
> to be dying.

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From john at winhaven.net  Wed Aug  5 15:22:46 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:22:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com><030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev><e04a6c920908051027m21351f1ct4bb6f1513f6629dd@mail.gmail.com>	<4a79c7f9.0506d00a.7e05.223f@mx.google.com>
	<D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <037001ca160a$7f074f70$7d15ee50$@net>

Hi all,
Just to be clear - I am not opposed to anything that will better this
organization.

Presently we have multiple lists for various reasons and I subscribe to them
all because I want to get everything. I lurk on some and post in some. I am
flexible on how to go about this.

I uphold what the Board of Directors (and thereby the Shareholders) have
decided as to how they want the lists to operate. I certainly do present
things to the BOD for consideration and discussion. My stance is not to fix
something that isn't broken. If this is now "broken" then it needs to be
fixed.

Some things to I would have to consider:
How does this affect archiving? (to go further, does anyone care about
archiving anymore?)

If we continue archiving how do we go about it
- a. leave all the separate archives as they are - how will people know to
search these?
- b. gather all of the separate archives into one archive - how will this be
accomplished?

If we merge all technical lists together should we use AccessD or should we
create a new list with a more appropriate moniker?

I'm sure there are more issues like these so I am going to call for a
meeting of the BOD to discuss these issues.

Thanks all,

John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com





From john at winhaven.net  Wed Aug  5 16:13:31 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:13:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <03a001ca1611$961a1fb0$c24e5f10$@net>

BTW - thanks for all the "no hits on me" comments, I appreciate them :o)


John Bartow, President
Database Advisors, Inc.
Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com





From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug  5 16:43:23 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:43:23 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F2CB@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have one database on a network server. I have another database on a Citrix server. I was needing to map from the server database to a table in the Citrix server database. Is this even possible. My IT database guy seems to think no.


Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 16:47:14 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:47:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <03a001ca1611$961a1fb0$c24e5f10$@net>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
	<03a001ca1611$961a1fb0$c24e5f10$@net>
Message-ID: <4A79FDE2.6060308@colbyconsulting.com>

 > BTW - thanks for all the "no hits on me" comments, I appreciate them :o)

LOL.  Just be careful opening the door...

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


John Bartow wrote:
> BTW - thanks for all the "no hits on me" comments, I appreciate them :o)
> 
> 
> John Bartow, President
> Database Advisors, Inc.
> Email: mailto:president at databaseadvisors.com
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> 


From robert at servicexp.com  Wed Aug  5 16:47:22 2009
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:47:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
Message-ID: <001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>

Perspective from a relative newb, and hobby-time developer. (My career is
mainly in the service industry (appliance, HVAC, etc...))

I believe I'm on the fairly newbie side of this list (maybe 3-4 years), and
I agree with JC. I can remember a day when I could ask a question and would
be guaranteed at least 3-5 different perspective on the issue, now.. I'm
lucky to even get.... "I don't know".. I now find more solutions outside of
AccessD then In, and I hate that because I learned SO MUCH for many of you
guys....  I know it's sounds like a "what can I get" or "Me Me Me"
statement, but I don't know how else to put it... it's just different now...

What's the answer...? I have no idea, but I hope something changes...


PS: I can tell you with the huge lack of interested in Access 2007 (and soon
new version), I don't suspect things to get any better....

WBR
Robert
 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

...I'm with the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC on this

...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I remember

that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still on

dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access related 
posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.

...that is no longer the case

...the current board ought to consider reintegrating some of the lists 
...not OT ...but others with low traffic.

...JC is, unfortunately, right about the list being dead far too often these

days.

...and John, this is not a hit on you ...you're just doing your job and I 
appreciate just how well you do it.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:44 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

> John,
>
> It is my opinion that we have lost sight of the reasons for the other 
> lists to begin with.
>
> In the beginning was AccessD, and AccessD was with us, and AccessD was us,

> and it was good.
>
> Then came a ton of traffic, and AccessD became overloaded, and OT was 
> created to move some of the
> more ... lively... traffic off.  AccessD was good again.
>
> As the world evolved and Access spread across the face of the world, 
> AccessD again became overloaded
> and so other lists were created to channel specific interests, and AccessD

> was good again.
>
> But as the evil Microsoft pushed its agenda and .Net spread across the 
> world, interest in Access
> began to wane.  Still protected by the demigods, jealously pushing 
> anything not Access related off
> to the other lists, AccessD began to die.
>
> Now AccessD is a lonely place, devoid of life that was once so plentiful.
>
> But the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC, bringer of great debates, wanders 
> through the lonely landscape
> wondering if things must remain this way until the final day.  Perhaps it 
> is time to renew the
> banter, the OT discussions, to breath fresh life into a dying world. 
> Perhaps it is time to merge
> the other lists, once so necessary, back into AccessD so that the once 
> mighty list can again have
> meaning in the lonely lives of so many developers around the world.
>
> The wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC would speak his humble mind and suggest 
> that the OT list remain
> untouched, available for the more ... lively... crowd, and that perhaps 
> all the other lists be
> merged back into AccessD.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
>>
>> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I 
>> have
>> a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.
>>
>> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT 
>> list.
>>
>> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 2007 
>> via
>> DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders without a 
>> problem
>> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
>> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you will
>> feel that old camaraderie again.
>>
>> The more the merrier!
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

-- 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 16:54:14 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:54:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>

One must never lose sight of the fact that the longer you are on this (and
others similar) sites, the more you learn and ipso facto the less questions
you will be asking.

The basic stuff that I was being asked 10 years or so ago are never posted
here (or in Access-List) - in a sense, it means that we are achieving what
we set out to do.

Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more than a
simple "Click on this" answer.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: 05 August 2009 22:47
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Perspective from a relative newb, and hobby-time developer. (My career is
mainly in the service industry (appliance, HVAC, etc...))

I believe I'm on the fairly newbie side of this list (maybe 3-4 years), and
I agree with JC. I can remember a day when I could ask a question and would
be guaranteed at least 3-5 different perspective on the issue, now.. I'm
lucky to even get.... "I don't know".. I now find more solutions outside of
AccessD then In, and I hate that because I learned SO MUCH for many of you
guys....  I know it's sounds like a "what can I get" or "Me Me Me"
statement, but I don't know how else to put it... it's just different now...

What's the answer...? I have no idea, but I hope something changes...


PS: I can tell you with the huge lack of interested in Access 2007 (and soon
new version), I don't suspect things to get any better....

WBR
Robert
 



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 12:56 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

...I'm with the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC on this

...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I remember

that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still on

dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access related 
posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.

...that is no longer the case

...the current board ought to consider reintegrating some of the lists 
...not OT ...but others with low traffic.

...JC is, unfortunately, right about the list being dead far too often these

days.

...and John, this is not a hit on you ...you're just doing your job and I 
appreciate just how well you do it.

William

--------------------------------------------------
From: "jwcolby" <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:44 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

> John,
>
> It is my opinion that we have lost sight of the reasons for the other 
> lists to begin with.
>
> In the beginning was AccessD, and AccessD was with us, and AccessD was us,

> and it was good.
>
> Then came a ton of traffic, and AccessD became overloaded, and OT was 
> created to move some of the
> more ... lively... traffic off.  AccessD was good again.
>
> As the world evolved and Access spread across the face of the world, 
> AccessD again became overloaded
> and so other lists were created to channel specific interests, and AccessD

> was good again.
>
> But as the evil Microsoft pushed its agenda and .Net spread across the 
> world, interest in Access
> began to wane.  Still protected by the demigods, jealously pushing 
> anything not Access related off
> to the other lists, AccessD began to die.
>
> Now AccessD is a lonely place, devoid of life that was once so plentiful.
>
> But the wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC, bringer of great debates, wanders 
> through the lonely landscape
> wondering if things must remain this way until the final day.  Perhaps it 
> is time to renew the
> banter, the OT discussions, to breath fresh life into a dying world. 
> Perhaps it is time to merge
> the other lists, once so necessary, back into AccessD so that the once 
> mighty list can again have
> meaning in the lonely lives of so many developers around the world.
>
> The wondrous (OK, nefarious) JC would speak his humble mind and suggest 
> that the OT list remain
> untouched, available for the more ... lively... crowd, and that perhaps 
> all the other lists be
> merged back into AccessD.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> John Bartow wrote:
>> John, it's because we've added the other lists.
>>
>> We've previously discussed Windows Home Server on the dba-tech list. I 
>> have
>> a WHS and I'd like to discuss it with someone I know has it also.
>>
>> We've previously discussed search engines on the DBA-tech and DBA-OT 
>> list.
>>
>> I am subscribed to every list Database Advisors has. I use Outlook 2007 
>> via
>> DSL. If it can receive and sort mail into relevant folders without a 
>> problem
>> - I'm sure every other email client on a high speed connection can too.
>> Please subscribe to those lists, as I and many others have, and you will
>> feel that old camaraderie again.
>>
>> The more the merrier!
>>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 17:03:59 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:03:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
Message-ID: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>

I need to update a field based on the top N values in another field kind of thing.

IOW

Select top 10000 KeyCode
 From tblOrderData
Where NoChildren = '2'
OrderBy RandomNumber

Now, I need to UPDATE Keycode to 'KeyA'

I can save the Select statement to vSelKeyCode and then do an update on that as follows:

UPDATE vSelKeyCode
SET KeyCode = 'KeyA'

I then need to do this many times, changing the TOP() value and NoOfChildren code.

It seems logical that I could replace vSelKeyCode with the Select statement contained in vSelKeyCode 
but I get errors when I attempt this.

Is it possible to do this?

What I am trying to do in the end is create a stored procedure that allows me to pass in the TOP() 
value, NoOfChildren code and Key value and build dynamic code to perform this update.

In the past I have just created N stored views with the correct TOP() value and NoOfChildren code 
hard coded, then performed an Update to each of those stored views.  While that works it is a PITA 
and subject to all kinds of errors.

There has to be a better way, and I don't know what it is.  The dynamic SQL statement in a stored 
procedure is my answer, and lead me to the damned gallows!

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug  5 17:10:24 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:10:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F2CB@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F2CB@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <9885E704D42B419DAC91033FBB2BA0B0@danwaters>

Hi Chester,

I'm pretty sure this will work.  I've recently been working with Access on
Citrix.  I have remote access to the Citrix server, and it's just like any
other server (this one uses Windows Server 2008).  Citrix is an application
that 'presents' different application to users - it's not the OS on a
server.

Good Luck!
Dan  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 4:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Citrix

I have one database on a network server. I have another database on a Citrix
server. I was needing to map from the server database to a table in the
Citrix server database. Is this even possible. My IT database guy seems to
think no.


Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug  5 17:15:08 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:15:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a79d510.0a04d00a.1be8.ffffd5d9@mx.google.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>,
	<D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>,
	<4a79d510.0a04d00a.1be8.ffffd5d9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7A046C.2782.482B9E8A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You pay  ?15 per 5Gb.

I pay  would pay close to ?300 for 5Gb.  For ?15 I get about 250MB

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Aug 2009 at 19:51, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> William:
> 
> I think that is fair comment. If they are paying to download "our ramblings"
> then they have a reasonable argument.
> 
> AFAIK, dial up costs are much the same as  ever.  On mobile I pay a variable
> ?sum for a variable Download per month, eg ?15 per 5Gb.  In my case I never
> hit that UNLESS I am reinstalling, updating stuff.  Some people download
> films, etc which shoves their rate up.  Excess charges if you exceed
> agreed/paid rate  is exorbitant and can be ?200 for an extra 1Mb.  So stay
> within agreed limits!!!
> 
> Max
> 
> Ps. Sending you come stuff off line.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 05 August 2009 19:13
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> ...it was cost Max ...dial-up users were complaining about non-access 
> material doubling and tripling their bills.
> 
> ...but are per minute charges still the norm in internet dial-up access 
> today?
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> > Why is dial up an issue?
> > I am on mobile which  is slower than dial up.  Unless you are referring to
> > costs, in which case dial up probably would be a factor.
> > Whilst holding my hands up to the crime of getting carried away in the OT
> > discussion, I have two points of view.
> >
> > One is that I do enjoy the camaraderie that exists which in turn engenders
> > the spirit of helping and assistance to others and from this aspect I am
> > happy for ANYTHING which is IT related but not for stuff outside of IT - 
> > OT
> > List is the place for that.
> >
> > The second is that if I were a NEWBIE looking to join a well informed list
> 
> > I
> > *might* be put off by all the non-Access chatter.  Particularly as we are
> > without a decent Search Engine for postings.
> >
> > I can see both sides of the fence, so to speak.  Sitting here is putting
> > splinters up my bum.
> >
> > Even when stuff appears to be non-Access, it often exists hand in hand 
> > with
> > Access and other IT software deployment.  A case in point was all the 
> > stuff
> > over Virtual PCs and Security - all of which had a direct and real bearing
> > on my deployment of my Access FE and BE to make it more secure.  The stuff
> > over .Net etc is similarly influencing my Access stuff.
> >
> > Personally, I would say
> >
> > 1. Non-IT goes to OT.
> > 2. Any IT related matters should be allowed because many of them are short
> > lived.  But any Moderator can ask for it to be taken to dba-tech if it 
> > looks
> > like running.  Listers should just honour the request without argument and
> > move it over - as Lambert said, it is so easy to merge email lists at 
> > client
> > level it become almost transparent.
> > 3. Encourage more to join to keep Access which is fore-front in RAD as per
> > Stuart's comment on his web site.
> >
> > Max
> >
> > Enough argument - off to the pub.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan 
> > Carbonnell
> > Sent: 05 August 2009 18:27
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, William
> > Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I
> > remember
> >> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were still
> > on
> >> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access 
> >> related
> >> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
> >>
> >> ...that is no longer the case
> >
> > Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.
> >
> > What I do know is there are still some of our more frequent
> > contributors that are still on dial-up.
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
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> 
> 
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> 





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug  5 17:21:48 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:21:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>,
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>,
	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4A7A05FC.2157.4831B8AF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

But 2010 may spark a renewal of interest and a lot more traffic as those of us who have 
avoided 2007 try to come up to speed with the next version.  

I expect to upgrade to it - even if it is just for the triggers.


On 5 Aug 2009 at 17:47, Robert wrote:

> 
> PS: I can tell you with the huge lack of interested in Access 2007 (and soon
> new version), I don't suspect things to get any better....
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug  5 17:24:11 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:24:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
In-Reply-To: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A7A068B.26611.4833E598@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Jet SQL or SQL Server?

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Aug 2009 at 18:03, jwcolby wrote:

> I need to update a field based on the top N values in another field kind of thing.
> 
> IOW
> 
> Select top 10000 KeyCode
>  From tblOrderData
> Where NoChildren = '2'
> OrderBy RandomNumber
> 
> Now, I need to UPDATE Keycode to 'KeyA'
> 
> I can save the Select statement to vSelKeyCode and then do an update on that as follows:
> 
> UPDATE vSelKeyCode
> SET KeyCode = 'KeyA'
> 
> I then need to do this many times, changing the TOP() value and NoOfChildren code.
> 
> It seems logical that I could replace vSelKeyCode with the Select statement contained in vSelKeyCode 
> but I get errors when I attempt this.
> 
> Is it possible to do this?
> 
> What I am trying to do in the end is create a stored procedure that allows me to pass in the TOP() 
> value, NoOfChildren code and Key value and build dynamic code to perform this update.
> 
> In the past I have just created N stored views with the correct TOP() value and NoOfChildren code 
> hard coded, then performed an Update to each of those stored views.  While that works it is a PITA 
> and subject to all kinds of errors.
> 
> There has to be a better way, and I don't know what it is.  The dynamic SQL statement in a stored 
> procedure is my answer, and lead me to the damned gallows!
> 
> -- 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 17:29:13 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:29:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>
	<4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more than a simple "Click on 
this" answer.

Yes, but that simply implies we are not attracting newbies any more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> One must never lose sight of the fact that the longer you are on this (and
> others similar) sites, the more you learn and ipso facto the less questions
> you will be asking.
> 
> The basic stuff that I was being asked 10 years or so ago are never posted
> here (or in Access-List) - in a sense, it means that we are achieving what
> we set out to do.
> 
> Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more than a
> simple "Click on this" answer.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: 05 August 2009 22:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> Perspective from a relative newb, and hobby-time developer. (My career is
> mainly in the service industry (appliance, HVAC, etc...))
> 
> I believe I'm on the fairly newbie side of this list (maybe 3-4 years), and
> I agree with JC. I can remember a day when I could ask a question and would
> be guaranteed at least 3-5 different perspective on the issue, now.. I'm
> lucky to even get.... "I don't know".. I now find more solutions outside of
> AccessD then In, and I hate that because I learned SO MUCH for many of you
> guys....  I know it's sounds like a "what can I get" or "Me Me Me"
> statement, but I don't know how else to put it... it's just different now...
> 
> What's the answer...? I have no idea, but I hope something changes...
> 
> 
> PS: I can tell you with the huge lack of interested in Access 2007 (and soon
> new version), I don't suspect things to get any better....
> 
> WBR
> Robert



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug  5 17:29:11 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:29:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
In-Reply-To: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

If it's a stored procedure, why not make it accept input parameters and
then just pass them in ... Or am I misunderstanding what you want to do?

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:04 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Dba-Sqlserver
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement

I need to update a field based on the top N values in another field kind
of thing.

IOW

Select top 10000 KeyCode
 From tblOrderData
Where NoChildren = '2'
OrderBy RandomNumber

Now, I need to UPDATE Keycode to 'KeyA'

I can save the Select statement to vSelKeyCode and then do an update on
that as follows:

UPDATE vSelKeyCode
SET KeyCode = 'KeyA'

I then need to do this many times, changing the TOP() value and
NoOfChildren code.

It seems logical that I could replace vSelKeyCode with the Select
statement contained in vSelKeyCode but I get errors when I attempt this.

Is it possible to do this?

What I am trying to do in the end is create a stored procedure that
allows me to pass in the TOP() value, NoOfChildren code and Key value
and build dynamic code to perform this update.

In the past I have just created N stored views with the correct TOP()
value and NoOfChildren code hard coded, then performed an Update to each
of those stored views.  While that works it is a PITA and subject to all
kinds of errors.

There has to be a better way, and I don't know what it is.  The dynamic
SQL statement in a stored procedure is my answer, and lead me to the
damned gallows!

--
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 17:31:23 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:31:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
In-Reply-To: <4A7A068B.26611.4833E598@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A7A068B.26611.4833E598@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A7A083B.1040507@colbyconsulting.com>

Ooops, sorry, SQL Server 2005.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Jet SQL or SQL Server?
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 17:32:27 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:32:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
In-Reply-To: <4A7A068B.26611.4833E598@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A7A068B.26611.4833E598@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A7A087B.10007@colbyconsulting.com>

I mentioned views and stored procedures...  Just forgot to mention SQL Server itself.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Jet SQL or SQL Server?
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 17:31:59 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:31:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7A046C.2782.482B9E8A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>,
	<D63767698C4948FC9C2BFEA672D797B3@jislaptopdev>,
	<4a79d510.0a04d00a.1be8.ffffd5d9@mx.google.com>
	<4A7A046C.2782.482B9E8A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a7a08f3.1818d00a.73d5.ffffba4c@mx.google.com>

Wow!
It actually gets cheaper than that if you want to commit to monthly
payments.  ?15 on T-Mobile monthly gets unlimited download.

Max
Ps. I am not moving to PNG any time soon...lol



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 05 August 2009 23:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

You pay  ?15 per 5Gb.

I pay  would pay close to ?300 for 5Gb.  For ?15 I get about 250MB

-- 
Stuart

On 5 Aug 2009 at 19:51, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> William:
> 
> I think that is fair comment. If they are paying to download "our
ramblings"
> then they have a reasonable argument.
> 
> AFAIK, dial up costs are much the same as  ever.  On mobile I pay a
variable
> ?sum for a variable Download per month, eg ?15 per 5Gb.  In my case I
never
> hit that UNLESS I am reinstalling, updating stuff.  Some people download
> films, etc which shoves their rate up.  Excess charges if you exceed
> agreed/paid rate  is exorbitant and can be ?200 for an extra 1Mb.  So stay
> within agreed limits!!!
> 
> Max
> 
> Ps. Sending you come stuff off line.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman
> Sent: 05 August 2009 19:13
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> ...it was cost Max ...dial-up users were complaining about non-access 
> material doubling and tripling their bills.
> 
> ...but are per minute charges still the norm in internet dial-up access 
> today?
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> > Why is dial up an issue?
> > I am on mobile which  is slower than dial up.  Unless you are referring
to
> > costs, in which case dial up probably would be a factor.
> > Whilst holding my hands up to the crime of getting carried away in the
OT
> > discussion, I have two points of view.
> >
> > One is that I do enjoy the camaraderie that exists which in turn
engenders
> > the spirit of helping and assistance to others and from this aspect I am
> > happy for ANYTHING which is IT related but not for stuff outside of IT -

> > OT
> > List is the place for that.
> >
> > The second is that if I were a NEWBIE looking to join a well informed
list
> 
> > I
> > *might* be put off by all the non-Access chatter.  Particularly as we
are
> > without a decent Search Engine for postings.
> >
> > I can see both sides of the fence, so to speak.  Sitting here is putting
> > splinters up my bum.
> >
> > Even when stuff appears to be non-Access, it often exists hand in hand 
> > with
> > Access and other IT software deployment.  A case in point was all the 
> > stuff
> > over Virtual PCs and Security - all of which had a direct and real
bearing
> > on my deployment of my Access FE and BE to make it more secure.  The
stuff
> > over .Net etc is similarly influencing my Access stuff.
> >
> > Personally, I would say
> >
> > 1. Non-IT goes to OT.
> > 2. Any IT related matters should be allowed because many of them are
short
> > lived.  But any Moderator can ask for it to be taken to dba-tech if it 
> > looks
> > like running.  Listers should just honour the request without argument
and
> > move it over - as Lambert said, it is so easy to merge email lists at 
> > client
> > level it become almost transparent.
> > 3. Encourage more to join to keep Access which is fore-front in RAD as
per
> > Stuart's comment on his web site.
> >
> > Max
> >
> > Enough argument - off to the pub.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan 
> > Carbonnell
> > Sent: 05 August 2009 18:27
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, William
> > Hindman<wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ...as one of those responsible for initially splitting the lists, I
> > remember
> >> that bandwidth was a major driver since so many of our members were
still
> > on
> >> dial up ...splitting the lists allowed them to get only the Access 
> >> related
> >> posts without having to dl the rest over 56kb connections.
> >>
> >> ...that is no longer the case
> >
> > Maybe it is the case. Maybe not, I don't know.
> >
> > What I do know is there are still some of our more frequent
> > contributors that are still on dial-up.
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 17:41:03 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:41:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>	<4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>
	<4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a7a0b12.0506d00a.7c1c.75dc@mx.google.com>

Or that there are none to attract ?

2003 was a long time back.

Wonder how other sites are faring?

Also, it is so easy these days to just "Google" ("Bing" if your William -
<smile>).

Perhaps it is a load of factors and we need to stop beating ourselves over
it and cuddle together knowing we have a great team....

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 05 August 2009 23:29
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

 > Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more than
a simple "Click on 
this" answer.

Yes, but that simply implies we are not attracting newbies any more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> One must never lose sight of the fact that the longer you are on this (and
> others similar) sites, the more you learn and ipso facto the less
questions
> you will be asking.
> 
> The basic stuff that I was being asked 10 years or so ago are never posted
> here (or in Access-List) - in a sense, it means that we are achieving what
> we set out to do.
> 
> Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more than
a
> simple "Click on this" answer.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: 05 August 2009 22:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> Perspective from a relative newb, and hobby-time developer. (My career is
> mainly in the service industry (appliance, HVAC, etc...))
> 
> I believe I'm on the fairly newbie side of this list (maybe 3-4 years),
and
> I agree with JC. I can remember a day when I could ask a question and
would
> be guaranteed at least 3-5 different perspective on the issue, now.. I'm
> lucky to even get.... "I don't know".. I now find more solutions outside
of
> AccessD then In, and I hate that because I learned SO MUCH for many of you
> guys....  I know it's sounds like a "what can I get" or "Me Me Me"
> statement, but I don't know how else to put it... it's just different
now...
> 
> What's the answer...? I have no idea, but I hope something changes...
> 
> 
> PS: I can tell you with the huge lack of interested in Access 2007 (and
soon
> new version), I don't suspect things to get any better....
> 
> WBR
> Robert

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 17:44:43 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:44:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4A7A0B5B.50406@colbyconsulting.com>

That is exactly what I want to do but I have to learn how to use the select statement inside of the 
update statement.  THAT is the question.

I know how to construct the SP, pass in parameters and create and execute dynamic SQL.

Given

Select top 10000 KeyCode
 From tblOrderData
Where NoChildren = '2'
OrderBy RandomNumber

Stored in view vSelKeyCode

And then the update statement

UPDATE vSelKeyCode
SET KeyCode = 'KeyA'

replace vSelKeyCode in the update statement with the equivalent SQL above.

I tried it and get an error.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> If it's a stored procedure, why not make it accept input parameters and
> then just pass them in ... Or am I misunderstanding what you want to do?
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 3:04 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; Dba-Sqlserver
> Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
> 
> I need to update a field based on the top N values in another field kind
> of thing.
> 
> IOW
> 
> Select top 10000 KeyCode
>  From tblOrderData
> Where NoChildren = '2'
> OrderBy RandomNumber
> 
> Now, I need to UPDATE Keycode to 'KeyA'
> 
> I can save the Select statement to vSelKeyCode and then do an update on
> that as follows:
> 
> UPDATE vSelKeyCode
> SET KeyCode = 'KeyA'
> 
> I then need to do this many times, changing the TOP() value and
> NoOfChildren code.
> 
> It seems logical that I could replace vSelKeyCode with the Select
> statement contained in vSelKeyCode but I get errors when I attempt this.
> 
> Is it possible to do this?
> 
> What I am trying to do in the end is create a stored procedure that
> allows me to pass in the TOP() value, NoOfChildren code and Key value
> and build dynamic code to perform this update.
> 
> In the past I have just created N stored views with the correct TOP()
> value and NoOfChildren code hard coded, then performed an Update to each
> of those stored views.  While that works it is a PITA and subject to all
> kinds of errors.
> 
> There has to be a better way, and I don't know what it is.  The dynamic
> SQL statement in a stored procedure is my answer, and lead me to the
> damned gallows!
> 
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug  5 17:46:23 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:46:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
In-Reply-To: <4A7A083B.1040507@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4A7A068B.26611.4833E598@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4A7A083B.1040507@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A7A0BBF.28266.48483A5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

This won't work before 2005.- before then you couldn't use an expression for TOP:

declare @topnumber int
declare @NoKids int

set @topnumber = 10000
set @NoKids = 2

update tblOrderData
set keycode = 'KEYA'
where RandomNumber in
(Select top (@topnumber) RandomNumber
 From tblOrderData
Where NoChildren = @NoKids and Keycode is null
Order By RandomNumber)

On 5 Aug 2009 at 18:31, jwcolby wrote:

> Ooops, sorry, SQL Server 2005.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > Jet SQL or SQL Server?
> > 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


Stuart McLachlan



From jedi at charm.net  Wed Aug  5 18:23:48 2009
From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:23:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>
	<4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>
	<4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <2585.24.35.25.42.1249514628.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

But it could also imply there is too much OT discussions--driving newbies
away.  If I sign up for a list I want to read about material that is ON
topic, not about other things-although they are good topics they belong
elsewhere.  The home server bandwidth issue is NOT relevant to this group,
neither is extending the WiFi distance at home, and many others.  One
could nit-pick about having Access involved somehow, but then I could
probably find six degrees of seperation with Kevin Bacon!  The BOD has
determined they should be seperate and I support it.  I vote to keep as is
and have the moderator should show some teeth and a bite to enforce it.

While I am in this rant mode I want to comment on the indivdual who has
the spam filter that puts the "SPAM-LOW " in the subject.  This totally
screws up the message threading.  Please fix your spam filter, remove it,
or at least remove the "SPAM-LOW " from the subject line when replying.

Thank you for cooperation, rant mode off.

Mike...

>
> Yes, but that simply implies we are not attracting newbies any more.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 19:10:30 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:10:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>	<4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com><4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4a7a0b12.0506d00a.7c1c.75dc@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <EEC47FC6F8CF4DB89D87AD7EBAD5CE52@SusanOne>

> Perhaps it is a load of factors and we need to stop beating ourselves over
> it and cuddle together knowing we have a great team....

========It would be impossible to correctly analyze why new folks don't 
stick around. All we can do is create the best resource for the people who 
are here.

Susan H. 



From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Aug  5 19:18:35 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:18:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com><4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com><4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
	<2585.24.35.25.42.1249514628.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>
Message-ID: <77AAD2AA37554B7992C50B005DFF60CD@Mattys>

In fact, the D in Access-D is for Developer, IIRC.
Or maybe that was Dinosaur.

Either way, the answers are from some the most experienced
minds in the business for old and new alike.

Let's keep it light, OK?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 19:59:01 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:59:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
In-Reply-To: <4A7A0BBF.28266.48483A5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<4A7A068B.26611.4833E598@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4A7A083B.1040507@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A7A0BBF.28266.48483A5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A7A2AD5.7020400@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks Stuart.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> This won't work before 2005.- before then you couldn't use an expression for TOP:
> 
> declare @topnumber int
> declare @NoKids int
> 
> set @topnumber = 10000
> set @NoKids = 2
> 
> update tblOrderData
> set keycode = 'KEYA'
> where RandomNumber in
> (Select top (@topnumber) RandomNumber
>  From tblOrderData
> Where NoChildren = @NoKids and Keycode is null
> Order By RandomNumber)
> 
> On 5 Aug 2009 at 18:31, jwcolby wrote:
> 
>> Ooops, sorry, SQL Server 2005.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>> Jet SQL or SQL Server?
>>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> Stuart McLachlan
> 


From patrinod at iaw.com  Wed Aug  5 20:03:58 2009
From: patrinod at iaw.com (Dennis Patrino)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 21:03:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD]  Moderator Message
Message-ID: <6E6DDDEE03594447A25369BC0B7F2580@laptop>

I'm retired and a part-time developer.

I have learned a lot on this list, but lately things have been almost all OT
Subjects should be limited to database development. (Access, SQL, .Net)
Anything that can keep someone up-to-date on new techniques/methods.
Do I find anything useful here?
Obviously or I wouldn't still be a member of the list, but more often than
not I'm learning more from other lists.
Sorry for being negative, but many days the list is like "Facebook"

Dennis Patrino





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug  5 21:46:06 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 22:46:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 - Getting back the records affected
Message-ID: <4A7A43EE.8070901@colbyconsulting.com>

In SQL Server 2005 when I perform an action query (Update, delete etc) how do I determine how many 
records were affected?  Google is not being my friend on this one.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Aug  6 02:01:53 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:01:53 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <6E6DDDEE03594447A25369BC0B7F2580@laptop>
References: <6E6DDDEE03594447A25369BC0B7F2580@laptop>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202E129DA@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

I think a large problem is that so many Access developers when they
reach a certain stage, begin to find new platforms, different
experiences.

Access is a wonderful db system.  But it's more then just a simple
database.  It has a very functional GUI for both data entry and
reporting.  It has VBA even macros (though most serious developers
rarely use a macro other then perhaps autokeys or autoexec).

So while there will always be questions about something generic in
Access, many of the members have branched out, and while they don't shun
Access, it is no longer the complete tool of choice.  And those branches
have followed several directions.  There are those that use Access' GUI
with a SQL backend.  There are those that use an Access .mdb backend
with another application GUI.  Then there are always those tiny little
'needs a db' things that developers always find a reason to keep Access
around whether they are developing in it at all.

I agree with JC, that we should combine the tech lists, and open the
AccessD list to all IT related questions.  If we stick to a decent
subject line, that should make the threads bearable.  Non-IT posts
should go to OT.

As for those that are stuck with a pay per megabyte scenario....dude,
you need to start a revolution, that's just plain sick!

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Patrino
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 8:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message

I'm retired and a part-time developer.

I have learned a lot on this list, but lately things have been almost
all OT
Subjects should be limited to database development. (Access, SQL, .Net)
Anything that can keep someone up-to-date on new techniques/methods.
Do I find anything useful here?
Obviously or I wouldn't still be a member of the list, but more often
than
not I'm learning more from other lists.
Sorry for being negative, but many days the list is like "Facebook"

Dennis Patrino



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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug  6 02:09:32 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:09:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <77AAD2AA37554B7992C50B005DFF60CD@Mattys>
Message-ID: <D80202B86C04431D92AF222427BB9ACC@MINSTER>

The Moderator's Lament
----------------------

I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I did.
I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither the
energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to keep
the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said, and
keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think that
sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided into
2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to sound
like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and
have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be
nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not everyone
agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that we
need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.

I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. It
seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell into
disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general
(and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience is to
go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in
homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically (the
key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're debating
here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original suggestion
but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then have
little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current email-soup
may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the family
ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.

I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter voices
deserve to be heard too.

Your ever/over tolerant moderator

Andy







From phpons at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 02:40:43 2009
From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:40:43 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 - Getting back the records affected
In-Reply-To: <4A7A43EE.8070901@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A7A43EE.8070901@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <57144ced0908060040t5f2d8524q15d566e968d7a4f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,

you have a lazy google!
Here is what I just find:
==================================================
If you are running a stored procedure and it is not returning this
information then when the procedure was written the SET NOCOUNT ON flag was
set. This tells the server to not return this information back to the
client.

If you are running a standard query in the Query Analyzer or Management
Studio and you aren't getting the information back, it's because the SET
NOCOUNT ON flag has been set, either on your client as a default, or on the
server as a default. You can change this by putting SET NOCOUNT OFF in your
query above the statement that you want to see the rowcount for.

You can also request after running your query the value of the @@ROWCOUNT
variable and return this information.

UPDATE YourTable
     SET Column = 'YourValue'
 WHERE AnotherColumn = 3

 SELECT @@ROWCOUNT

=====================================================
Hope this helps!
Philippe

2009/8/6 jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

> In SQL Server 2005 when I perform an action query (Update, delete etc) how
> do I determine how many
> records were affected?  Google is not being my friend on this one.
>
> --
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug  6 04:01:42 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:01:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Message-ID: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>

Hi Andy

I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - always polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support from me.

Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the largest scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good. 

However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which could be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not exclusively. As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done a great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind). 
Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs to the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well. Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and with this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should be no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide.

That would leave:

  AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database related material
  AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech list
  AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other lists

Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the value of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of our present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the count of messages per day.

/gustav


>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>>
The Moderator's Lament
----------------------

I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I did.
I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither the
energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to keep
the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said, and
keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think that
sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided into
2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to sound
like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and
have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be
nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not everyone
agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that we
need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.

I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. It
seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell into
disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general
(and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience is to
go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in
homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically (the
key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're debating
here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original suggestion
but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then have
little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current email-soup
may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the family
ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.

I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter voices
deserve to be heard too.

Your ever/over tolerant moderator

Andy




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  6 05:32:26 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:32:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4A7AB13A.6311.4ACEA185@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

IMNSHO, there's nothing wrong with the the current list structure.  Recent problem has been 
caused purely by several long threads which were clearly not Access related  and which 
should have gone to the Tech or SQL Server lists originally

I agree that we have a problem with not enough people using the Tech list.  I would 
encourage everyone to subscribe and use it.

Whenever someone posts to the wrong list, a moderator should post a copy to the correct 
list and also post a message saying that they have done so and request that all further 
response go to that list.   This would also encourage more members to subscribe to the 
other lists.

You don't even need to give someone moderator priveleges on the list to do this.
If the BOD want to appoint additional help to do it - my hand is up.


-- 
Stuart



On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:01, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Andy
> 
> I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - always polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support from me.
> 
> Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the largest scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good. 
> 
> However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which could be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not exclusively. As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done a great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind). 
> Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs to the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well. Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and with this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should be no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide.
> 
> That would leave:
> 
>   AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database related material
>   AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech list
>   AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other lists
> 
> Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the value of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of our present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the count of messages per day.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>>
> The Moderator's Lament
> ----------------------
> 
> I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I did.
> I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither the
> energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to keep
> the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said, and
> keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think that
> sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided into
> 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
> intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to sound
> like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
> Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and
> have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be
> nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not everyone
> agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that we
> need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.
> 
> I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. It
> seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell into
> disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general
> (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience is to
> go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in
> homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically (the
> key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're debating
> here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
> Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original suggestion
> but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then have
> little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current email-soup
> may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the family
> ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.
> 
> I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
> atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter voices
> deserve to be heard too.
> 
> Your ever/over tolerant moderator
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 05:49:12 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:49:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7AB13A.6311.4ACEA185@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>
	<4A7AB13A.6311.4ACEA185@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a7ab578.1818d00a.1fa7.ffffd59b@mx.google.com>

Further to what Stuart said below,

I can hereby state that I will have no objection if anybody re-posts my
ramblings to other locations.  

In fact, I would ask that they do so.  I do not want to deliberately post to
wrong list, but,  like many others, I just get caught up in the "debate" and
don't even look to see which list it is on.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 06 August 2009 11:32
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

IMNSHO, there's nothing wrong with the the current list structure.  Recent
problem has been 
caused purely by several long threads which were clearly not Access related
and which 
should have gone to the Tech or SQL Server lists originally

I agree that we have a problem with not enough people using the Tech list.
I would 
encourage everyone to subscribe and use it.

Whenever someone posts to the wrong list, a moderator should post a copy to
the correct 
list and also post a message saying that they have done so and request that
all further 
response go to that list.   This would also encourage more members to
subscribe to the 
other lists.

You don't even need to give someone moderator priveleges on the list to do
this.
If the BOD want to appoint additional help to do it - my hand is up.


-- 
Stuart



On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:01, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Andy
> 
> I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - always
polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support
from me.
> 
> Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the largest
scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good. 
> 
> However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which could
be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not exclusively.
As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other
environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us
who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done a
great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind). 
> Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs to
the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates
directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well.
Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and with
this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should be
no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide.
> 
> That would leave:
> 
>   AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database
related material
>   AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech
list
>   AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other
lists
> 
> Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the value
of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of our
present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the
count of messages per day.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>>
> The Moderator's Lament
> ----------------------
> 
> I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I
did.
> I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither
the
> energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to keep
> the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said,
and
> keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think
that
> sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided
into
> 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
> intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to
sound
> like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
> Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and
> have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be
> nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not everyone
> agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that we
> need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.
> 
> I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. It
> seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell
into
> disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general
> (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience is
to
> go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in
> homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically
(the
> key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're
debating
> here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
> Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original suggestion
> but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then have
> little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current email-soup
> may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the family
> ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.
> 
> I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
> atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter
voices
> deserve to be heard too.
> 
> Your ever/over tolerant moderator
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  6 06:04:30 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:04:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a7ab578.1818d00a.1fa7.ffffd59b@mx.google.com>
References: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>,
	<4A7AB13A.6311.4ACEA185@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a7ab578.1818d00a.1fa7.ffffd59b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7AB8BE.11220.4AEC0009@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

This posting has been moved to the list "Max's usual ramblings"
Please post any responses to /Dev/Null

:-)


On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:49, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Further to what Stuart said below,
> 
> I can hereby state that I will have no objection if anybody re-posts my
> ramblings to other locations.  
> 
> In fact, I would ask that they do so.  I do not want to deliberately post to
> wrong list, but,  like many others, I just get caught up in the "debate" and
> don't even look to see which list it is on.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 06 August 2009 11:32
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> IMNSHO, there's nothing wrong with the the current list structure.  Recent
> problem has been 
> caused purely by several long threads which were clearly not Access related
> and which 
> should have gone to the Tech or SQL Server lists originally
> 
> I agree that we have a problem with not enough people using the Tech list.
> I would 
> encourage everyone to subscribe and use it.
> 
> Whenever someone posts to the wrong list, a moderator should post a copy to
> the correct 
> list and also post a message saying that they have done so and request that
> all further 
> response go to that list.   This would also encourage more members to
> subscribe to the 
> other lists.
> 
> You don't even need to give someone moderator priveleges on the list to do
> this.
> If the BOD want to appoint additional help to do it - my hand is up.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:01, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > Hi Andy
> > 
> > I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - always
> polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support
> from me.
> > 
> > Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the largest
> scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good. 
> > 
> > However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which could
> be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not exclusively.
> As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other
> environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us
> who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done a
> great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind). 
> > Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs to
> the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates
> directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well.
> Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and with
> this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should be
> no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide.
> > 
> > That would leave:
> > 
> >   AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database
> related material
> >   AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech
> list
> >   AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other
> lists
> > 
> > Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the value
> of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of our
> present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the
> count of messages per day.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>>
> > The Moderator's Lament
> > ----------------------
> > 
> > I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I
> did.
> > I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither
> the
> > energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to keep
> > the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said,
> and
> > keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think
> that
> > sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided
> into
> > 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
> > intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to
> sound
> > like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
> > Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and
> > have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be
> > nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not everyone
> > agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that we
> > need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.
> > 
> > I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. It
> > seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell
> into
> > disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general
> > (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience is
> to
> > go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in
> > homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically
> (the
> > key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're
> debating
> > here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
> > Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original suggestion
> > but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then have
> > little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current email-soup
> > may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the family
> > ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.
> > 
> > I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
> > atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter
> voices
> > deserve to be heard too.
> > 
> > Your ever/over tolerant moderator
> > 
> > Andy
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 06:07:34 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:07:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00908060407y7f7f8687m9d897de514a21015@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
I was tempted to do the usual, read and move on.  In fact, I did.  then I
saw the next post from Jim Lawrence.  And that promoted me to come back and
post here.

Like Rocky and JC and all the other familiar names I see here, I am also
subscribed to AccessD since 1997 / 98.

I no longer ask or answer many questions, but I still subscribe to the lists
that we have.  I really like the dba-VB and dba-Tech, and for me, the best
way is to merge them all into one pool within gmail.  I use Gmail as my
archive, so I have all the history since 1994, which is good enough for me.

I especially enjoy the tech discussions on tech and vb, and love the quick
posts that Jim Lawrence makes, I would hate to loose those.  I have to admit
that I tuned out of the OT stuff, as it became too much.

I would be happy with Gustav's proposal,  and I would also be happy with the
following

AccessD: Pure Access / VBA
AccessD: VB, C#, Tech, SQL Server, OS, Virtual Machines, IIS, Etc.
AccessD: OT.

I realize that this is diluting the [AccessD: Access] list even further, so
I am just letting you know that it suits this one person, regardless of your
decision, I will would like to receive the emails.  In fact to be honest, I
am subscribed to AccessD in gmail, but I have a filter that automatically
sends it to archived, but I do read the tech and vb lists.  I hate to loose
the SQL server posts in AccessD however.

Finally, the reason I filter out the AccessD mails is I thought they were
still high in volume.  If they are really gone low, then that does change my
perspective on what I just proposed.  If the qty of pure Access posts are
low, then we could merge everything except OT, in that case we come back to.


Is that a refection on our list?  Have we all learnt what we need from
Access, but are now still learning the other stuff?

AccessD: VB, C#, Tech, SQL Server, OS, Virtual Machines, IIS, Etc.
And Pure Access / VBA
AccessD: OT.


I have one last point to consider.  When I have real technical question,
nowadays, I google the answer and usually find it.  I find I do not need to
go to AccessD for many direct technical questions.  However, what I get from
the tech and vb lists is information though osmosis.  IOW the daily chat
about technical issues, keeps my tech knowledge up to date, on topics that I
would not necessarily google directly.

Is this osmosis effect the new mode of operation for DataBase Advisors?
 IOW, has Google killed the need for the 1990's style AccessD list, but have
we emerged into a virtual chat room where the real value nowadays is osmosis
of technology on a daily basis?

Thanks for all your time for the last ten years.

Mark




2009/8/6 Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk>

> Hi Andy
>
> I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - always
> polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support
> from me.
>
> Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the largest
> scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good.
>
> However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which could
> be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not exclusively.
> As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other
> environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us
> who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done a
> great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind).
> Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs to
> the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates
> directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well.
> Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and with
> this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should be
> no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide.
>
> That would leave:
>
>  AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database
> related material
>  AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech list
>  AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other lists
>
> Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the value
> of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of our
> present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the
> count of messages per day.
>
> /gustav
>
>
> >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>>
> The Moderator's Lament
> ----------------------
>
> I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I
> did.
> I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither
> the
> energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to keep
> the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said, and
> keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think that
> sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided
> into
> 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
> intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to
> sound
> like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
> Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and
> have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be
> nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not everyone
> agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that we
> need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.
>
> I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. It
> seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell
> into
> disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general
> (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience is
> to
> go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in
> homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically
> (the
> key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're
> debating
> here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
> Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original suggestion
> but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then have
> little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current email-soup
> may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the family
> ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.
>
> I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
> atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter
> voices
> deserve to be heard too.
>
> Your ever/over tolerant moderator
>
> Andy
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From marklbreen at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 06:13:53 2009
From: marklbreen at gmail.com (Mark Breen)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:13:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
In-Reply-To: <4A7A2AD5.7020400@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A7A068B.26611.4833E598@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A7A083B.1040507@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A7A0BBF.28266.48483A5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A7A2AD5.7020400@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <c7fd28d00908060413w29007d0bp4dab980b1a247307@mail.gmail.com>

Hello John,
See also Michael Maddisons reply.

It is very easy to use temp tables, and one day you will need to do a Update
and will have multiple joins in the tables to be updated, then that SQL
becomes more complex and difficult to get clear in the head.  When that
happens, Mike temp table works a treat,  you can build the big select and
insert into a temp table, then once the hard bit is done you can do a simple
update by joining to the temp table.

In this case Stuarts solution is probably simpler, but store Mikes idea,  it
is the same we all use to do in Access, but linking queries to previously
saved queries.  but it also usually gives great performance for complex
queries.

I have an instinct, let anyone confirm this if it is true, that Oracle heads
use temp tables much more that SQL Server heads.  In fact, I believe that
Cursors are also used extensively in the Oracle world.

Thanks

Mark



2009/8/6 jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

> Thanks Stuart.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > This won't work before 2005.- before then you couldn't use an expression
> for TOP:
> >
> > declare @topnumber int
> > declare @NoKids int
> >
> > set @topnumber = 10000
> > set @NoKids = 2
> >
> > update tblOrderData
> > set keycode = 'KEYA'
> > where RandomNumber in
> > (Select top (@topnumber) RandomNumber
> >  From tblOrderData
> > Where NoChildren = @NoKids and Keycode is null
> > Order By RandomNumber)
> >
> > On 5 Aug 2009 at 18:31, jwcolby wrote:
> >
> >> Ooops, sorry, SQL Server 2005.
> >>
> >> John W. Colby
> >> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> >>> Jet SQL or SQL Server?
> >>>
> >> --
> >> AccessD mailing list
> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> >
> > Stuart McLachlan
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  6 06:21:49 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:21:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00908060407y7f7f8687m9d897de514a21015@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>,
	<c7fd28d00908060407y7f7f8687m9d897de514a21015@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7ABCCD.1301.4AFBD88D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I think it's both. 

 AccessD is still useful for specific problem solving (and discussing new versions) and 
should remain as a resource for newcomers to Access as well as to those of us who have 
been using it for years.  We have a huge repository of collective knowledge here and you 
can be sure that the quality of advice will be far higher than you would get from random 
googled links.


Tech OTOH *is* more like a virtual chat room among friends who share Access as a 
common background but who both like to keep up with developments in a wide range of 
technologies and also respect the knowledge available when they have specific problems in 
all sorts of areas.

-- 
Stuart


On 6 Aug 2009 at 12:07, Mark Breen wrote:

> 
> Is this osmosis effect the new mode of operation for DataBase Advisors?
>  IOW, has Google killed the need for the 1990's style AccessD list, but have
> we emerged into a virtual chat room where the real value nowadays is osmosis
> of technology on a daily basis?
> 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 06:22:26 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:22:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7AB8BE.11220.4AEC0009@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>,
	<4A7AB13A.6311.4ACEA185@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a7ab578.1818d00a.1fa7.ffffd59b@mx.google.com>
	<4A7AB8BE.11220.4AEC0009@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a7abd47.0506d00a.698b.ffffb71a@mx.google.com>

This message has been re-posted to dba-tech as it deals with a technical
matter not involving Access.
Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 06 August 2009 12:05
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

This posting has been moved to the list "Max's usual ramblings"
Please post any responses to /Dev/Null

:-)


On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:49, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Further to what Stuart said below,
> 
> I can hereby state that I will have no objection if anybody re-posts my
> ramblings to other locations.  
> 
> In fact, I would ask that they do so.  I do not want to deliberately post
to
> wrong list, but,  like many others, I just get caught up in the "debate"
and
> don't even look to see which list it is on.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: 06 August 2009 11:32
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> IMNSHO, there's nothing wrong with the the current list structure.  Recent
> problem has been 
> caused purely by several long threads which were clearly not Access
related
> and which 
> should have gone to the Tech or SQL Server lists originally
> 
> I agree that we have a problem with not enough people using the Tech list.
> I would 
> encourage everyone to subscribe and use it.
> 
> Whenever someone posts to the wrong list, a moderator should post a copy
to
> the correct 
> list and also post a message saying that they have done so and request
that
> all further 
> response go to that list.   This would also encourage more members to
> subscribe to the 
> other lists.
> 
> You don't even need to give someone moderator priveleges on the list to do
> this.
> If the BOD want to appoint additional help to do it - my hand is up.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:01, Gustav Brock wrote:
> 
> > Hi Andy
> > 
> > I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - always
> polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support
> from me.
> > 
> > Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the
largest
> scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good. 
> > 
> > However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which
could
> be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not
exclusively.
> As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other
> environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us
> who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done
a
> great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind). 
> > Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs
to
> the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates
> directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well.
> Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and
with
> this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should
be
> no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide.
> > 
> > That would leave:
> > 
> >   AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database
> related material
> >   AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech
> list
> >   AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other
> lists
> > 
> > Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the
value
> of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of our
> present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the
> count of messages per day.
> > 
> > /gustav
> > 
> > 
> > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>>
> > The Moderator's Lament
> > ----------------------
> > 
> > I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I
> did.
> > I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither
> the
> > energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to
keep
> > the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said,
> and
> > keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think
> that
> > sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided
> into
> > 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
> > intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to
> sound
> > like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
> > Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and
> > have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be
> > nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not
everyone
> > agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that
we
> > need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.
> > 
> > I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used.
It
> > seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell
> into
> > disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general
> > (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience
is
> to
> > go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in
> > homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically
> (the
> > key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're
> debating
> > here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
> > Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original
suggestion
> > but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then
have
> > little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current
email-soup
> > may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the
family
> > ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.
> > 
> > I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
> > atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter
> voices
> > deserve to be heard too.
> > 
> > Your ever/over tolerant moderator
> > 
> > Andy
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Thu Aug  6 06:46:13 2009
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:46:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
References: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>,
	<4A7AB13A.6311.4ACEA185@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a7ab578.1818d00a.1fa7.ffffd59b@mx.google.com><4A7AB8BE.11220.4AEC0009@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4a7abd47.0506d00a.698b.ffffb71a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <41FCBEA929364CA68CED6076A9DD62BF@s1800>

Now all we need is a piece of SW that decides where each msg has to go ;)
Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>



> This message has been re-posted to dba-tech as it deals with a technical
> matter not involving Access.
> Thank you for your co-operation in this matter.
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart 
> McLachlan
> Sent: 06 August 2009 12:05
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> This posting has been moved to the list "Max's usual ramblings"
> Please post any responses to /Dev/Null
>
> :-)
>
>
> On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:49, Max Wanadoo wrote:
>
>> Further to what Stuart said below,
>>
>> I can hereby state that I will have no objection if anybody re-posts my
>> ramblings to other locations.
>>
>> In fact, I would ask that they do so.  I do not want to deliberately post
> to
>> wrong list, but,  like many others, I just get caught up in the "debate"
> and
>> don't even look to see which list it is on.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
>> Sent: 06 August 2009 11:32
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>>
>> IMNSHO, there's nothing wrong with the the current list structure. 
>> Recent
>> problem has been
>> caused purely by several long threads which were clearly not Access
> related
>> and which
>> should have gone to the Tech or SQL Server lists originally
>>
>> I agree that we have a problem with not enough people using the Tech 
>> list.
>> I would
>> encourage everyone to subscribe and use it.
>>
>> Whenever someone posts to the wrong list, a moderator should post a copy
> to
>> the correct
>> list and also post a message saying that they have done so and request
> that
>> all further
>> response go to that list.   This would also encourage more members to
>> subscribe to the
>> other lists.
>>
>> You don't even need to give someone moderator priveleges on the list to 
>> do
>> this.
>> If the BOD want to appoint additional help to do it - my hand is up.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:01, Gustav Brock wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Andy
>> >
>> > I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - 
>> > always
>> polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support
>> from me.
>> >
>> > Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the
> largest
>> scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good.
>> >
>> > However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which
> could
>> be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not
> exclusively.
>> As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other
>> environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us
>> who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done
> a
>> great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind).
>> > Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs
> to
>> the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates
>> directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well.
>> Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and
> with
>> this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should
> be
>> no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide.
>> >
>> > That would leave:
>> >
>> >   AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database
>> related material
>> >   AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech
>> list
>> >   AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other
>> lists
>> >
>> > Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the
> value
>> of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of 
>> our
>> present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the
>> count of messages per day.
>> >
>> > /gustav
>> >
>> >
>> > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>>
>> > The Moderator's Lament
>> > ----------------------
>> >
>> > I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I
>> did.
>> > I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have 
>> > neither
>> the
>> > energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to
> keep
>> > the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said,
>> and
>> > keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think
>> that
>> > sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided
>> into
>> > 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
>> > intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to
>> sound
>> > like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
>> > Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time 
>> > and
>> > have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd 
>> > be
>> > nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not
> everyone
>> > agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that
> we
>> > need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.
>> >
>> > I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used.
> It
>> > seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell
>> into
>> > disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a 
>> > general
>> > (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience
> is
>> to
>> > go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, 
>> > in
>> > homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically
>> (the
>> > key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're
>> debating
>> > here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
>> > Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original
> suggestion
>> > but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then
> have
>> > little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current
> email-soup
>> > may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the
> family
>> > ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.
>> >
>> > I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
>> > atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter
>> voices
>> > deserve to be heard too.
>> >
>> > Your ever/over tolerant moderator
>> >
>> > Andy
>> >
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  6 07:13:10 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:13:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 - Getting back the records affected
In-Reply-To: <57144ced0908060040t5f2d8524q15d566e968d7a4f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7A43EE.8070901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<57144ced0908060040t5f2d8524q15d566e968d7a4f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7AC8D6.9040605@colbyconsulting.com>

Phillippe,

Unfortunately with a search engine the results depend entirely on what you put in.  I was trying 
record count, records effected etc. and getting a million hits... about other stuff.  Finally I 
posted the question and (of course) immediately got an answer from Google.

I don't ask questions from AccessD to get an answer, I ask to force Google to give me an answer. 
Works every time.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


philippe pons wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> you have a lazy google!
> Here is what I just find:
> ==================================================
> If you are running a stored procedure and it is not returning this
> information then when the procedure was written the SET NOCOUNT ON flag was
> set. This tells the server to not return this information back to the
> client.
> 
> If you are running a standard query in the Query Analyzer or Management
> Studio and you aren't getting the information back, it's because the SET
> NOCOUNT ON flag has been set, either on your client as a default, or on the
> server as a default. You can change this by putting SET NOCOUNT OFF in your
> query above the statement that you want to see the rowcount for.
> 
> You can also request after running your query the value of the @@ROWCOUNT
> variable and return this information.
> 
> UPDATE YourTable
>      SET Column = 'YourValue'
>  WHERE AnotherColumn = 3
> 
>  SELECT @@ROWCOUNT
> 
> =====================================================
> Hope this helps!
> Philippe



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  6 07:20:39 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:20:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Use a select in an update statement
In-Reply-To: <c7fd28d00908060413w29007d0bp4dab980b1a247307@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7A01CF.9020407@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A7A068B.26611.4833E598@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4A7A083B.1040507@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A7A0BBF.28266.48483A5C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4A7A2AD5.7020400@colbyconsulting.com>
	<c7fd28d00908060413w29007d0bp4dab980b1a247307@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7ACA97.4030905@colbyconsulting.com>

I used Stuart's selection and it works.  I then built it into a stored procedure with parameters, 
built up dynamic SQL and am now happy as a clam.

Thanks for the response.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Mark Breen wrote:
> Hello John,
> See also Michael Maddisons reply.
> 
> It is very easy to use temp tables, and one day you will need to do a Update
> and will have multiple joins in the tables to be updated, then that SQL
> becomes more complex and difficult to get clear in the head.  When that
> happens, Mike temp table works a treat,  you can build the big select and
> insert into a temp table, then once the hard bit is done you can do a simple
> update by joining to the temp table.
> 
> In this case Stuarts solution is probably simpler, but store Mikes idea,  it
> is the same we all use to do in Access, but linking queries to previously
> saved queries.  but it also usually gives great performance for complex
> queries.
> 
> I have an instinct, let anyone confirm this if it is true, that Oracle heads
> use temp tables much more that SQL Server heads.  In fact, I believe that
> Cursors are also used extensively in the Oracle world.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 2009/8/6 jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>
> 
>> Thanks Stuart.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>> This won't work before 2005.- before then you couldn't use an expression
>> for TOP:
>>> declare @topnumber int
>>> declare @NoKids int
>>>
>>> set @topnumber = 10000
>>> set @NoKids = 2
>>>
>>> update tblOrderData
>>> set keycode = 'KEYA'
>>> where RandomNumber in
>>> (Select top (@topnumber) RandomNumber
>>>  From tblOrderData
>>> Where NoChildren = @NoKids and Keycode is null
>>> Order By RandomNumber)
>>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2009 at 18:31, jwcolby wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ooops, sorry, SQL Server 2005.
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>>>>> Jet SQL or SQL Server?
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> AccessD mailing list
>>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>> Stuart McLachlan
>>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 07:25:11 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:25:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server 2005 - Getting back the records affected
References: <4A7A43EE.8070901@colbyconsulting.com><57144ced0908060040t5f2d8524q15d566e968d7a4f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7AC8D6.9040605@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <3FD3CDE7BBFD4D9A8197434D5D869809@SusanOne>

> I don't ask questions from AccessD to get an answer, I ask to force Google 
> to give me an answer.
> Works every time.

=====John, this happens to me all the time. :)

Susan H. 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  6 08:30:55 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:30:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7ab825.070@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4A7ADB0F.7020701@colbyconsulting.com>

Is there any way to display on the web page the number of list members in each list?

One of the reasons that I post most of what I post to AccessD is simply my deep disbelief that the 
other lists have a very large following.  As an example I posted the recent SQL questions to both 
lists and got several responses from AccessD and one from the SQL Server list.

Another reason I post the OT stuff to AccessD is that I am addressing a group of friends who I know 
are on AccessD but have no clue whether they are on any specific other list.

We have always had a component of AccessD who come here for technical questions, rarely if ever 
answer questions, post when they need help and otherwise just lurk in the background.  Their 
attitude has often been "this list is a technical forum that I come to for help.  Keep the damned OT 
stuff off the list please".  The appearance is that this group has no interest in the list other 
than what technical information they can get from it.

We have another component however that are very very old acquaintances and even close friends.  That 
component has been here from the nineties and I know more about some of them than I know about some 
of my own family.  Unless I am answering a technical question, I am posting specifically to those 
people.

Rightly or wrongly, I have developed an attitude that in a very real way this list "belongs" to me 
and a small group of other people.  I am probably one of the top 10 providers of technical support 
answers over the entire 12 years that I have been here.  I have written detailed and lengthy lecture 
series on several different subjects and contributed them to the list.  I have contributed actual 
money to help get Database Advisors (the company) off the ground, I have served as an officer of the 
company and I sit on the board.  There are probably 20 other ACTIVE members who fit that 
description, and another (wild estimate here) 40 people who actually contribute technical answers on 
a regular basis.

After awhile, after so much time and effort in building AccessD it just FEELS like my own home, and 
unfortunately for some I end up treating it that way.  When I post OT I am talking to my friends, 
people who contribute to this list every day, NOT the lurkers who are here to get what they can but 
otherwise too busy to contribute.  In a very real way, everyone's opinions matter to me in some 
vague proportion to their contributions to the list.  I care very much what the regulars think and 
not so much the rest.

All of this sounds rather obnoxious I am sure, but that's MY reality.  I joined this list so long 
ago precisely because of who was here regularly, who contributed on a daily basis, opinions I could 
trust, discussing all kinds of things, but with a general focus on Access.

In the end it is NOT "my" list however, or my home.  A Board of Directors meeting has been called by 
our president to discuss how to handle this general OT question and I will abide by that decision.


John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Andy
> 
> I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - always polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support from me.
> 
> Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the largest scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good. 
> 
> However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which could be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not exclusively. As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done a great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind). 
> Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs to the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well. Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and with this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should be no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide.
> 
> That would leave:
> 
>   AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database related material
>   AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech list
>   AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other lists
> 
> Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the value of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of our present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the count of messages per day.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>>
> The Moderator's Lament
> ----------------------
> 
> I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I did.
> I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither the
> energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to keep
> the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said, and
> keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think that
> sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided into
> 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
> intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to sound
> like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
> Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and
> have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be
> nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not everyone
> agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that we
> need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.
> 
> I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. It
> seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell into
> disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general
> (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience is to
> go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in
> homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically (the
> key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're debating
> here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
> Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original suggestion
> but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then have
> little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current email-soup
> may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the family
> ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.
> 
> I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
> atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter voices
> deserve to be heard too.
> 
> Your ever/over tolerant moderator
> 
> Andy
> 
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  6 08:34:53 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:34:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <D80202B86C04431D92AF222427BB9ACC@MINSTER>
References: <D80202B86C04431D92AF222427BB9ACC@MINSTER>
Message-ID: <4A7ADBFD.3000904@colbyconsulting.com>

Andy,

You do a good job, you are just trying to corral a heard of cats.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Andy Lacey wrote:
> The Moderator's Lament
> ----------------------
> 
> I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I did.
> I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither the
> energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to keep
> the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said, and
> keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think that
> sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided into
> 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do
> intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to sound
> like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens.
> Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and
> have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be
> nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not everyone
> agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that we
> need everyone to (more or less) abide by it.
> 
> I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. It
> seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell into
> disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general
> (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience is to
> go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in
> homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically (the
> key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're debating
> here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just
> Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original suggestion
> but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then have
> little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current email-soup
> may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the family
> ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess.
> 
> I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall
> atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter voices
> deserve to be heard too.
> 
> Your ever/over tolerant moderator
> 
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 10:10:06 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:10:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disks
Message-ID: <4a7af2bc.0a1ad00a.1a07.70d0@mx.google.com>

Alasdair,

We are having problems at work with disk errors and running out of disk
space.  Janes pc is also problematic.

 

Can I have authority to spend around ?250-?300 to upgrade out disk backup
system and get Jane a new HD.

 

Ta

 

Max

 



From lembit.dbamail at t-online.de  Thu Aug  6 10:42:31 2009
From: lembit.dbamail at t-online.de (Lembit Soobik)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:42:31 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Disks
References: <4a7af2bc.0a1ad00a.1a07.70d0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <2BC6CABA95A34AA99F42C616951D414E@s1800>

sure, go ahead

Lembit

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:10 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Disks


Alasdair,

We are having problems at work with disk errors and running out of disk
space.  Janes pc is also problematic.



Can I have authority to spend around ?250-?300 to upgrade out disk backup
system and get Jane a new HD.



Ta



Max



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  6 10:53:41 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:53:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disks
In-Reply-To: <4a7af2bc.0a1ad00a.1a07.70d0@mx.google.com>
References: <4a7af2bc.0a1ad00a.1a07.70d0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7AFC85.5010900@colbyconsulting.com>

You have my permission.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Alasdair,
> 
> We are having problems at work with disk errors and running out of disk
> space.  Janes pc is also problematic.
> 
>  
> 
> Can I have authority to spend around ?250-?300 to upgrade out disk backup
> system and get Jane a new HD.
> 
>  
> 
> Ta
> 
>  
> 
> Max
> 
>  
> 


From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 10:58:18 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:58:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Message-ID: <7c7841600908060858m633dd105i30c50bcde0204338@mail.gmail.com>

In the minds of most subscribers, AccessD = Database Advisors, so this is a
critical discussion for the group.

It's obvious that the quality and volume of the AccessD discussion has
declined, even though the quality of the participants has remained
consistent.

In my view, this discussion boils down to one question: Is the Access
development market declining?
If the answer is No, then we must ask what we must do to attract newbies and
keep the list vital and fresh.
If the answer is Yes, then we must consider ways of evolving the list to
keep up with changing times.

I think that the web is doing us in, one way or the other. Either we are
being out-competed for newbies by more modern, web-based sources of
technical information, or web-based data applications are out-competing
Access as the newbie application development platform of choice.

I am surprised that Andy and Stuart are surprised that other lists like
dba-Tech aren't getting use. Take a look at the current mailing lists page:
it show 13 options, 8 of which are clearly irrelevant to any newcomer.
dba-Tech is buried near the bottom. This screen provides NO reason why
someone should read, let alone subscribe to, anything below the top option.
I think the majority have resoundingly spoken with their subscription
preferences.

Getting new subscribers is critical to the succeass of AccessD/Database
Advisors. This means, at the very least, retooling the Database Advisors
site and lists to be easier to use and find, and at most, reinventing
Database Advisors itself so it is relevant to a new generation of database
programmers.

Of course, we could do nothing, and watch the list slowly die like a
knitting circle at an old folk's home.

-Ken


From pharold at proftesting.com  Thu Aug  6 11:44:53 2009
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:44:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com><4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>
	<4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B65DE92@exchange.ptiorl.local>

 
Maybe between ribbons and offering .net packages for free M$ has
succeeded in killing off any serious interest in Access for development.

Perry 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

 > Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more
than a simple "Click on this" answer.

Yes, but that simply implies we are not attracting newbies any more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> One must never lose sight of the fact that the longer you are on this 
> (and others similar) sites, the more you learn and ipso facto the less

> questions you will be asking.
> 
> The basic stuff that I was being asked 10 years or so ago are never 
> posted here (or in Access-List) - in a sense, it means that we are 
> achieving what we set out to do.
> 
> Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more 
> than a simple "Click on this" answer.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: 05 August 2009 22:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> Perspective from a relative newb, and hobby-time developer. (My career

> is mainly in the service industry (appliance, HVAC, etc...))
> 
> I believe I'm on the fairly newbie side of this list (maybe 3-4 
> years), and I agree with JC. I can remember a day when I could ask a 
> question and would be guaranteed at least 3-5 different perspective on

> the issue, now.. I'm lucky to even get.... "I don't know".. I now find

> more solutions outside of AccessD then In, and I hate that because I 
> learned SO MUCH for many of you guys....  I know it's sounds like a
"what can I get" or "Me Me Me"
> statement, but I don't know how else to put it... it's just different
now...
> 
> What's the answer...? I have no idea, but I hope something changes...
> 
> 
> PS: I can tell you with the huge lack of interested in Access 2007 
> (and soon new version), I don't suspect things to get any better....
> 
> WBR
> Robert

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  6 11:58:38 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:58:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908060858m633dd105i30c50bcde0204338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908060858m633dd105i30c50bcde0204338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7B0BBE.2020601@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Of course, we could do nothing, and watch the list slowly die like a knitting circle at an old 
folk's home.

Hey!  At my age that is not a metaphor I enjoy hearing.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Kenneth Ismert wrote:
> In the minds of most subscribers, AccessD = Database Advisors, so this is a
> critical discussion for the group.
> 
> It's obvious that the quality and volume of the AccessD discussion has
> declined, even though the quality of the participants has remained
> consistent.
> 
> In my view, this discussion boils down to one question: Is the Access
> development market declining?
> If the answer is No, then we must ask what we must do to attract newbies and
> keep the list vital and fresh.
> If the answer is Yes, then we must consider ways of evolving the list to
> keep up with changing times.
> 
> I think that the web is doing us in, one way or the other. Either we are
> being out-competed for newbies by more modern, web-based sources of
> technical information, or web-based data applications are out-competing
> Access as the newbie application development platform of choice.
> 
> I am surprised that Andy and Stuart are surprised that other lists like
> dba-Tech aren't getting use. Take a look at the current mailing lists page:
> it show 13 options, 8 of which are clearly irrelevant to any newcomer.
> dba-Tech is buried near the bottom. This screen provides NO reason why
> someone should read, let alone subscribe to, anything below the top option.
> I think the majority have resoundingly spoken with their subscription
> preferences.
> 
> Getting new subscribers is critical to the succeass of AccessD/Database
> Advisors. This means, at the very least, retooling the Database Advisors
> site and lists to be easier to use and find, and at most, reinventing
> Database Advisors itself so it is relevant to a new generation of database
> programmers.
> 
> Of course, we could do nothing, and watch the list slowly die like a
> knitting circle at an old folk's home.
> 
> -Ken


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  6 12:14:57 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:14:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B65DE92@exchange.ptiorl.local>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com><4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>	<4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B65DE92@exchange.ptiorl.local>
Message-ID: <4A7B0F91.8050101@colbyconsulting.com>

You laugh, but I contend that MS seriously desires the developer community for Access to go away.

Whatever they may say, they pay absolutely zero attention to anything we say.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Perry L Harold wrote:
>  
> Maybe between ribbons and offering .net packages for free M$ has
> succeeded in killing off any serious interest in Access for development.
> 
> Perry 
>  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:29 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
>  > Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more
> than a simple "Click on this" answer.
> 
> Yes, but that simply implies we are not attracting newbies any more.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> One must never lose sight of the fact that the longer you are on this 
>> (and others similar) sites, the more you learn and ipso facto the less
> 
>> questions you will be asking.
>>
>> The basic stuff that I was being asked 10 years or so ago are never 
>> posted here (or in Access-List) - in a sense, it means that we are 
>> achieving what we set out to do.
>>
>> Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more 
>> than a simple "Click on this" answer.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>> Sent: 05 August 2009 22:47
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>>
>> Perspective from a relative newb, and hobby-time developer. (My career
> 
>> is mainly in the service industry (appliance, HVAC, etc...))
>>
>> I believe I'm on the fairly newbie side of this list (maybe 3-4 
>> years), and I agree with JC. I can remember a day when I could ask a 
>> question and would be guaranteed at least 3-5 different perspective on
> 
>> the issue, now.. I'm lucky to even get.... "I don't know".. I now find
> 
>> more solutions outside of AccessD then In, and I hate that because I 
>> learned SO MUCH for many of you guys....  I know it's sounds like a
> "what can I get" or "Me Me Me"
>> statement, but I don't know how else to put it... it's just different
> now...
>> What's the answer...? I have no idea, but I hope something changes...
>>
>>
>> PS: I can tell you with the huge lack of interested in Access 2007 
>> (and soon new version), I don't suspect things to get any better....
>>
>> WBR
>> Robert
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Aug  6 12:48:16 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:48:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7B0F91.8050101@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com><4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>
	<4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B65DE92@exchange.ptiorl.local>
	<4A7B0F91.8050101@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003401ca16be$143f98f0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

No John, they do pay <some> attention.
However, they do not ACT on the ideas or issues.
And we all know: "Actions speak louder than words"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:15 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> You laugh, but I contend that MS seriously desires the
> developer community for Access to go away.
>
> Whatever they may say, they pay absolutely zero attention to
> anything we say.
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Perry L Harold wrote:
> >
> > Maybe between ribbons and offering .net packages for free M$ has
> > succeeded in killing off any serious interest in Access for
> development.
> >
> > Perry
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:29 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> >
> >  > Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require
> > more than a simple "Click on this" answer.
> >
> > Yes, but that simply implies we are not attracting newbies any more.
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
> >
> > Max Wanadoo wrote:
> >> One must never lose sight of the fact that the longer you
> are on this
> >> (and others similar) sites, the more you learn and ipso facto the
> >> less
> >
> >> questions you will be asking.
> >>
> >> The basic stuff that I was being asked 10 years or so ago
> are never
> >> posted here (or in Access-List) - in a sense, it means that we are
> >> achieving what we set out to do.
> >>
> >> Most of the question are pretty involved these days and
> require more
> >> than a simple "Click on this" answer.
> >>
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> >> Sent: 05 August 2009 22:47
> >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> >>
> >> Perspective from a relative newb, and hobby-time developer. (My
> >> career
> >
> >> is mainly in the service industry (appliance, HVAC, etc...))
> >>
> >> I believe I'm on the fairly newbie side of this list (maybe 3-4
> >> years), and I agree with JC. I can remember a day when I
> could ask a
> >> question and would be guaranteed at least 3-5 different
> perspective
> >> on
> >
> >> the issue, now.. I'm lucky to even get.... "I don't know".. I now
> >> find
> >
> >> more solutions outside of AccessD then In, and I hate that
> because I
> >> learned SO MUCH for many of you guys....  I know it's sounds like a
> > "what can I get" or "Me Me Me"
> >> statement, but I don't know how else to put it... it's
> just different
> > now...
> >> What's the answer...? I have no idea, but I hope something
> changes...
> >>
> >>
> >> PS: I can tell you with the huge lack of interested in Access 2007
> >> (and soon new version), I don't suspect things to get any
> better....
> >>
> >> WBR
> >> Robert
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Aug  6 13:22:37 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:22:37 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disks
In-Reply-To: <4a7af2bc.0a1ad00a.1a07.70d0@mx.google.com>
References: <4a7af2bc.0a1ad00a.1a07.70d0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <98F7690A3E304FB3B686D54883BBAD69@danwaters>

Max - nice work getting a good price on the HD!

Go for it!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Disks

Alasdair,

We are having problems at work with disk errors and running out of disk
space.  Janes pc is also problematic.

 

Can I have authority to spend around ?250-?300 to upgrade out disk backup
system and get Jane a new HD.

 

Ta

 

Max

 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 13:35:57 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:35:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Disks
In-Reply-To: <98F7690A3E304FB3B686D54883BBAD69@danwaters>
References: <4a7af2bc.0a1ad00a.1a07.70d0@mx.google.com>
	<98F7690A3E304FB3B686D54883BBAD69@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4a7b22ec.0508d00a.45fb.ffffc411@mx.google.com>

C'mon guys.  Give me a break.  Sorry about the wrong posting, ok.

You will, I am sure, be pleased to know that Alasdair said go ahead too!

Max
Ps. Just found that the Texas if FIVE TIMES the size of the UK - humbled or
what?


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: 06 August 2009 19:23
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disks

Max - nice work getting a good price on the HD!

Go for it!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:10 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Disks

Alasdair,

We are having problems at work with disk errors and running out of disk
space.  Janes pc is also problematic.

 

Can I have authority to spend around ?250-?300 to upgrade out disk backup
system and get Jane a new HD.

 

Ta

 

Max

 

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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Aug  6 13:52:05 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:52:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B65DE92@exchange.ptiorl.local>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk>
	<4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com><022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com><4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>
	<4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B65DE92@exchange.ptiorl.local>
Message-ID: <EA5A2A890E334CE3950A8DB9A5CCC6BC@XPS>


  The other major issue is that Microsoft has never fixed the environment
issues with Access.  It's difficult at best to have multiple versions
co-exist and VBA references are always a problem.  I'm struggling right now
with a client because of report bugs in 2003, so we installed 2000.  Now the
new release of their software won't run on anything but 2003 and we can't
get the two to play nice on the same machine.

  Given that and the fact that many products now have many of Access
capabilities and then some, the lower end niche that Access filled is
certainly shrinking.

  They also have dumped many of the developer features, such as ADP's,
Replication, and User Level Security.  However they keep adding end-user
type features like the ribbon, integration with SharePoint, and new macro
capabilities.  It's no wonder most IT shops considers Access a end user toy.

   Furthering that along is the "developers" that don't have a clue how to
use it.  Just yesterday, I bumped into someone on Expert's Exchange that was
developing a "one-off" app that was having performance issues.  He
acknowledged that he was a beginner at database design.

   But rather then deal with the real issues, he just chopped features out
hoping for the best.  And at the end of the thread, he mentioned that this
app was going to be used by up to 1,000 financial advisors. 

 Great impression that app will make I'm sure :(

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Perry L Harold
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

 
Maybe between ribbons and offering .net packages for free M$ has
succeeded in killing off any serious interest in Access for development.

Perry 
 


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

 > Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more
than a simple "Click on this" answer.

Yes, but that simply implies we are not attracting newbies any more.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> One must never lose sight of the fact that the longer you are on this 
> (and others similar) sites, the more you learn and ipso facto the less

> questions you will be asking.
> 
> The basic stuff that I was being asked 10 years or so ago are never 
> posted here (or in Access-List) - in a sense, it means that we are 
> achieving what we set out to do.
> 
> Most of the question are pretty involved these days and require more 
> than a simple "Click on this" answer.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: 05 August 2009 22:47
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> Perspective from a relative newb, and hobby-time developer. (My career

> is mainly in the service industry (appliance, HVAC, etc...))
> 
> I believe I'm on the fairly newbie side of this list (maybe 3-4 
> years), and I agree with JC. I can remember a day when I could ask a 
> question and would be guaranteed at least 3-5 different perspective on

> the issue, now.. I'm lucky to even get.... "I don't know".. I now find

> more solutions outside of AccessD then In, and I hate that because I 
> learned SO MUCH for many of you guys....  I know it's sounds like a
"what can I get" or "Me Me Me"
> statement, but I don't know how else to put it... it's just different
now...
> 
> What's the answer...? I have no idea, but I hope something changes...
> 
> 
> PS: I can tell you with the huge lack of interested in Access 2007 
> (and soon new version), I don't suspect things to get any better....
> 
> WBR
> Robert

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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 13:54:51 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:54:51 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Message-ID: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>

OK, I've been harping on the way things are, so I want to offer some
positive suggestions:

1. Produce web content, not email content.
Our content needs to be visible to the outside world. A mail digest is
hidden from search engines. Even the archive is a black hole -- I've never
seen any AccessD post show up on any web search, ever. Someone tell me  if
they've ever seen AccessD in even the first ten pages of search results.

2. Move to a blog format.
I increasingly rely on blog posts in my technical searches. I appreciate
that someone has taken the care to produce a cogent post that answers a
particular topic. Blog posts can be perma-linked, tagged, and categorized --
a huge boon for search engines. You also get a constant, fresh stream of new
content, which boosts search rankings.
One of the problems with an email thread is that you get: Question, debate,
flames, baiting, then off-topic rambling near the end. Sometimes there is an
answer in there, sometimes not. That's why email-thread format groups are my
last option in search.
But, if you reframe the email thread as an incubator for a blog post, you
present the opportunity for the person with the best response to summarize
their post as a blog entry. That's easy, because most of the article is
already written.
Everyone wins -- blog posters get web exposure, questions get distilled into
a clear and easy-to-follow format, answers get vetted by a community of
experts, and you gain in search engine rankings which will draw new
subscribers.

3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results. They
understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even if they
have nothing to offer. What a waste!
We have an incredible pool of talent, that, given convenient tools, could
handily beat expert sex change in terms of quality of content.

But, if we keep hiding our light under a bushel, we really need to accept
that AccessD is a private club of friends who chat about what's going on in
their technical lives, and occasionally answer an Access question, too.

-Ken


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 13:57:11 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:57:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <EA5A2A890E334CE3950A8DB9A5CCC6BC@XPS>
References: <sa797c74.040@cactus.dk> <4A798D84.90105@colbyconsulting.com>
	<022e01ca15d9$04b27050$0e1750f0$@net>
	<4A79A8D1.4050703@colbyconsulting.com>
	<030414D32D044FF28A21EFB36389C1C1@jislaptopdev>
	<001901ca1616$51045350$f30cf9f0$@com>
	<4a7a0015.0508d00a.1254.ffffeec2@mx.google.com>
	<4A7A07B9.3090709@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B65DE92@exchange.ptiorl.local>
	<EA5A2A890E334CE3950A8DB9A5CCC6BC@XPS>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00908061157n4ac9853bh2f7ae65c62175e0a@mail.gmail.com>

Sad but true. :/

On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>
>
>  They also have dumped many of the developer features, such as ADP's,
> Replication, and User Level Security.  However they keep adding end-user
> type features like the ribbon, integration with SharePoint, and new macro
> capabilities.  It's no wonder most IT shops considers Access a end user
> toy.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Perry L Harold
>
> Maybe between ribbons and offering .net packages for free M$ has
> succeeded in killing off any serious interest in Access for development.
>
> Perry
>
>
>


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Aug  6 14:16:54 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:16:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFDB7@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Hear hear!

More visibility has to be a good thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

OK, I've been harping on the way things are, so I want to offer some positive suggestions:

1. Produce web content, not email content.
Our content needs to be visible to the outside world. A mail digest is hidden from search engines. Even the archive is a black hole -- I've never seen any AccessD post show up on any web search, ever. Someone tell me  if they've ever seen AccessD in even the first ten pages of search results.

2. Move to a blog format.
I increasingly rely on blog posts in my technical searches. I appreciate that someone has taken the care to produce a cogent post that answers a particular topic. Blog posts can be perma-linked, tagged, and categorized -- a huge boon for search engines. You also get a constant, fresh stream of new content, which boosts search rankings.
One of the problems with an email thread is that you get: Question, debate, flames, baiting, then off-topic rambling near the end. Sometimes there is an answer in there, sometimes not. That's why email-thread format groups are my last option in search.
But, if you reframe the email thread as an incubator for a blog post, you present the opportunity for the person with the best response to summarize their post as a blog entry. That's easy, because most of the article is already written.
Everyone wins -- blog posters get web exposure, questions get distilled into a clear and easy-to-follow format, answers get vetted by a community of experts, and you gain in search engine rankings which will draw new subscribers.

3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results. They understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even if they have nothing to offer. What a waste!
We have an incredible pool of talent, that, given convenient tools, could handily beat expert sex change in terms of quality of content.

But, if we keep hiding our light under a bushel, we really need to accept that AccessD is a private club of friends who chat about what's going on in their technical lives, and occasionally answer an Access question, too.

-Ken
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Aug  6 14:32:31 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 15:32:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013040773D55408680E32795DF9408D7@XPS>

Ken,

<<3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results. They
understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even if they
have nothing to offer. What a waste!>>

  I think you really need to ask yourself that if they have nothing to
offer, then:

A. Why are they still in business?

B. Why do they have so much exposure?

  I don't know what you and others have run into on Experts Exchange, but at
last count, there are over 200 Microsoft MVPs that call Expert's Exchange
home.  I don't believe there is a larger concentration of MVP's anywhere on
any site.

  Certainly there are idiots that will spout off non-answers, but there are
also a lot of qualified folks who hang out there as well.

  I find what seems to gall people the most is that they charge for the
service and make money at it.  Personally, I find nothing wrong with that.
EE incorporated in 1996 and almost went bankrupt along with a lot of the
other .com's that burst.  But they changed their business model to something
that worked and as a result, their still around.  That allows them to
continually work at and improve the site.  As you yourself point out; when's
the last time Access-D had an overhaul and why not?

  Outside of all that, you can earn a membership by answering a few
questions a month.  So if you contribute, then it costs you nothing.  I've
been involved with the site since 1999 (after CompuServe went more or less
belly up - they sold out to WUGNET) and so far, I have not paid a dime.

  Of course if your looking for more exposure and something that's free,
then I suppose you could try the Microsoft news groups.  They haven't
changed their format either, but they certainly show up in the search
results more often then Access-D.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 2:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

OK, I've been harping on the way things are, so I want to offer some
positive suggestions:

1. Produce web content, not email content.
Our content needs to be visible to the outside world. A mail digest is
hidden from search engines. Even the archive is a black hole -- I've never
seen any AccessD post show up on any web search, ever. Someone tell me  if
they've ever seen AccessD in even the first ten pages of search results.

2. Move to a blog format.
I increasingly rely on blog posts in my technical searches. I appreciate
that someone has taken the care to produce a cogent post that answers a
particular topic. Blog posts can be perma-linked, tagged, and categorized --
a huge boon for search engines. You also get a constant, fresh stream of new
content, which boosts search rankings.
One of the problems with an email thread is that you get: Question, debate,
flames, baiting, then off-topic rambling near the end. Sometimes there is an
answer in there, sometimes not. That's why email-thread format groups are my
last option in search.
But, if you reframe the email thread as an incubator for a blog post, you
present the opportunity for the person with the best response to summarize
their post as a blog entry. That's easy, because most of the article is
already written.
Everyone wins -- blog posters get web exposure, questions get distilled into
a clear and easy-to-follow format, answers get vetted by a community of
experts, and you gain in search engine rankings which will draw new
subscribers.

3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results. They
understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even if they
have nothing to offer. What a waste!
We have an incredible pool of talent, that, given convenient tools, could
handily beat expert sex change in terms of quality of content.

But, if we keep hiding our light under a bushel, we really need to accept
that AccessD is a private club of friends who chat about what's going on in
their technical lives, and occasionally answer an Access question, too.

-Ken
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From JHewson at nciinc.com  Thu Aug  6 15:00:19 2009
From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim )
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:00:19 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>

I, for one, like the email format.
Most blogs are hidden from me.  The company I work for restricts access
to ALL blogs including those by Microsoft.
They use a proxy server and it filters a LOT of stuff.
I have found a work around... I use a laptop at work so have to disable
the locate network connection (Cat5), turn off the connection to proxy
server, locate the local wireless connection, log on and then sometimes
I can get to a blog.
There are some customer sites that also use a proxy to limit employees
access to the internet.
Besides, most of the blogs that I have encountered (at work and at home)
contain little substance and lots of arrogant "experts" that chide the
questioner.  They do that by answering with responses like:  "We
discussed this last month. Don't you read all the posts?" or "I am tired
of answering the  same question - do a search on the archives."  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth
Ismert
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:55 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

OK, I've been harping on the way things are, so I want to offer some
positive suggestions:

1. Produce web content, not email content.
Our content needs to be visible to the outside world. A mail digest is
hidden from search engines. Even the archive is a black hole -- I've
never
seen any AccessD post show up on any web search, ever. Someone tell me
if
they've ever seen AccessD in even the first ten pages of search results.

2. Move to a blog format.
I increasingly rely on blog posts in my technical searches. I appreciate
that someone has taken the care to produce a cogent post that answers a
particular topic. Blog posts can be perma-linked, tagged, and
categorized --
a huge boon for search engines. You also get a constant, fresh stream of
new
content, which boosts search rankings.
One of the problems with an email thread is that you get: Question,
debate,
flames, baiting, then off-topic rambling near the end. Sometimes there
is an
answer in there, sometimes not. That's why email-thread format groups
are my
last option in search.
But, if you reframe the email thread as an incubator for a blog post,
you
present the opportunity for the person with the best response to
summarize
their post as a blog entry. That's easy, because most of the article is
already written.
Everyone wins -- blog posters get web exposure, questions get distilled
into
a clear and easy-to-follow format, answers get vetted by a community of
experts, and you gain in search engine rankings which will draw new
subscribers.

3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results.
They
understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even if
they
have nothing to offer. What a waste!
We have an incredible pool of talent, that, given convenient tools,
could
handily beat expert sex change in terms of quality of content.

But, if we keep hiding our light under a bushel, we really need to
accept
that AccessD is a private club of friends who chat about what's going on
in
their technical lives, and occasionally answer an Access question, too.

-Ken
-- 
AccessD mailing list
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From jwelz at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  6 15:11:16 2009
From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:11:16 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] Disks
In-Reply-To: <4a7b22ec.0508d00a.45fb.ffffc411@mx.google.com>
References: <4a7af2bc.0a1ad00a.1a07.70d0@mx.google.com>
	<98F7690A3E304FB3B686D54883BBAD69@danwaters> 
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They really ought to be.  Five times as big and still can't....

Ciao 

J?rgen Welz 

Edmonton, Alberta 

jwelz at hotmail.com


 
> From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:35:57 +0100
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disks
> 
> C'mon guys. Give me a break. Sorry about the wrong posting, ok.
> 
> You will, I am sure, be pleased to know that Alasdair said go ahead too!
> 
> Max
> Ps. Just found that the Texas if FIVE TIMES the size of the UK - humbled or
> what?
> 

_________________________________________________________________
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 15:15:34 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:15:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00908061315r67c3d6c5v3f0b52b2d6dd964e@mail.gmail.com>

I also like the email format. I've been on Access-L since 95 I believe, and
one AccessD since before it
was AccessD. What was it again? Blue Moutain Group? or something like it.

Like Jim's company, my company restricts access to blog sites.

As for the different lists, I like it as it is. I have filters in Gmail all
set up and it works great.




On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Hewson, Jim <JHewson at nciinc.com> wrote:

> I, for one, like the email format.
> Most blogs are hidden from me.  The company I work for restricts access
> to ALL blogs including those by Microsoft.
> They use a proxy server and it filters a LOT of stuff.
> I have found a work around... I use a laptop at work so have to disable
> the locate network connection (Cat5), turn off the connection to proxy
> server, locate the local wireless connection, log on and then sometimes
> I can get to a blog.
> There are some customer sites that also use a proxy to limit employees
> access to the internet.
> Besides, most of the blogs that I have encountered (at work and at home)
> contain little substance and lots of arrogant "experts" that chide the
> questioner.  They do that by answering with responses like:  "We
> discussed this last month. Don't you read all the posts?" or "I am tired
> of answering the  same question - do a search on the archives."
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth
> Ismert
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
>  OK, I've been harping on the way things are, so I want to offer some
> positive suggestions:
>
> 1. Produce web content, not email content.
> Our content needs to be visible to the outside world. A mail digest is
> hidden from search engines. Even the archive is a black hole -- I've
> never
> seen any AccessD post show up on any web search, ever. Someone tell me
> if
> they've ever seen AccessD in even the first ten pages of search results.
>
> 2. Move to a blog format.
> I increasingly rely on blog posts in my technical searches. I appreciate
> that someone has taken the care to produce a cogent post that answers a
> particular topic. Blog posts can be perma-linked, tagged, and
> categorized --
> a huge boon for search engines. You also get a constant, fresh stream of
> new
> content, which boosts search rankings.
> One of the problems with an email thread is that you get: Question,
> debate,
> flames, baiting, then off-topic rambling near the end. Sometimes there
> is an
> answer in there, sometimes not. That's why email-thread format groups
> are my
> last option in search.
> But, if you reframe the email thread as an incubator for a blog post,
> you
> present the opportunity for the person with the best response to
> summarize
> their post as a blog entry. That's easy, because most of the article is
> already written.
> Everyone wins -- blog posters get web exposure, questions get distilled
> into
> a clear and easy-to-follow format, answers get vetted by a community of
> experts, and you gain in search engine rankings which will draw new
> subscribers.
>
> 3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
> It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
> money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results.
> They
> understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even if
> they
> have nothing to offer. What a waste!
> We have an incredible pool of talent, that, given convenient tools,
> could
> handily beat expert sex change in terms of quality of content.
>
> But, if we keep hiding our light under a bushel, we really need to
> accept
> that AccessD is a private club of friends who chat about what's going on
> in
> their technical lives, and occasionally answer an Access question, too.
>
> -Ken
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Aug  6 16:06:15 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:06:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a simple delete query. When I open the query in design mode and click on view it shows 69 records that will be deleted. This is the correct number. When I run the query it only wants to delete 29 records. A compact and repair and restart did nothing. I have never seen this before. Your ideas?


Chester Kaup

Engineering Technician

Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP

Office (432) 688-3797

FAX (432) 688-3799





No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug  6 16:05:17 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:05:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <013040773D55408680E32795DF9408D7@XPS>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
	<013040773D55408680E32795DF9408D7@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

I have often wondered how Experts Exchange stays in business.  I have
been a member in the past, but never could find the answers I needed
(where were those MVPs then, I wonder) and I resent not being able to
preview an article before I decide that I'm willing to pay for it.  It
irritates me no end to follow a search link and discover I have to pay
up and sign in to even find out whether the piece is relevant.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Ken,

<<3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results.
They understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even
if they have nothing to offer. What a waste!>>

  I think you really need to ask yourself that if they have nothing to
offer, then:

A. Why are they still in business?

B. Why do they have so much exposure?

  I don't know what you and others have run into on Experts Exchange,
but at last count, there are over 200 Microsoft MVPs that call Expert's
Exchange home.  I don't believe there is a larger concentration of MVP's
anywhere on any site.

  Certainly there are idiots that will spout off non-answers, but there
are also a lot of qualified folks who hang out there as well.

  I find what seems to gall people the most is that they charge for the
service and make money at it.  Personally, I find nothing wrong with
that.
EE incorporated in 1996 and almost went bankrupt along with a lot of the
other .com's that burst.  But they changed their business model to
something that worked and as a result, their still around.  That allows
them to continually work at and improve the site.  As you yourself point
out; when's the last time Access-D had an overhaul and why not?

  Outside of all that, you can earn a membership by answering a few
questions a month.  So if you contribute, then it costs you nothing.
I've been involved with the site since 1999 (after CompuServe went more
or less belly up - they sold out to WUGNET) and so far, I have not paid
a dime.

  Of course if your looking for more exposure and something that's free,
then I suppose you could try the Microsoft news groups.  They haven't
changed their format either, but they certainly show up in the search
results more often then Access-D.

Jim.




From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 16:18:03 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:18:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00908061418i245f124fj6da671261e06c153@mail.gmail.com>

Post the SQL.







On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Kaup, Chester <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> wrote:

> I have a simple delete query. When I open the query in design mode and
> click on view it shows 69 records that will be deleted. This is the correct
> number. When I run the query it only wants to delete 29 records. A compact
> and repair and restart did nothing. I have never seen this before. Your
> ideas?
>
>
> Chester Kaup
>
> Engineering Technician
>
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
> Office (432) 688-3797
>
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number
> of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Aug  6 16:25:25 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:25:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00908061418i245f124fj6da671261e06c153@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<8786a4c00908061418i245f124fj6da671261e06c153@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4D6@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

DELETE DISTINCTROW [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].*, [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status
FROM [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month] INNER JOIN [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] ON [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].PID = [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].PID
WHERE ((([tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status) In ("FL","FM","FH","SL","SM","SH","SP","PL","PM","PH","RP","RM","RH","RL","TA","WD","WC","WF","WCH","WAGW","WAGC")));

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:18 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete query problem

Post the SQL.







On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Kaup, Chester <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> wrote:

> I have a simple delete query. When I open the query in design mode and
> click on view it shows 69 records that will be deleted. This is the correct
> number. When I run the query it only wants to delete 29 records. A compact
> and repair and restart did nothing. I have never seen this before. Your
> ideas?
>
>
> Chester Kaup
>
> Engineering Technician
>
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
>
> Office (432) 688-3797
>
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
>
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number
> of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  6 16:28:59 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:28:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4A7B4B1B.29833.4D27BBC5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Some sort of relational constraints preventing you from actually deleting some records?

-- 
Stuart

On 6 Aug 2009 at 16:06, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have a simple delete query. When I open the query in design mode and
> click on view it shows 69 records that will be deleted. This is the
> correct number. When I run the query it only wants to delete 29
> records. A compact and repair and restart did nothing. I have never
> seen this before. Your ideas? 
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  6 16:35:52 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:35:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4D6@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>,
	<8786a4c00908061418i245f124fj6da671261e06c153@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4D6@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4A7B4CB8.11916.4D2E06E8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Looks like you built a select statement and them just changed the Select to Delete.

Try removing the  "[DISTINCTROW]" and the 
", [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status"

-- 
Stuart

On 6 Aug 2009 at 16:25, Kaup, Chester wrote:

DELETE DISTINCTROW  [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].*, [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status
FROM [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month] 
INNER JOIN [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] ON [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].PID = [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].PID
WHERE ((([tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status) 
In ("FL","FM","FH","SL","SM","SH","SP","PL","PM","PH","RP","RM","RH","RL","TA","WD","WC","WF","WCH","WAGW","WAGC")));



From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 16:36:11 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:36:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4D6@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<8786a4c00908061418i245f124fj6da671261e06c153@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4D6@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00908061436ldffdcbav9dc92289981bc7ea@mail.gmail.com>

I think it may have something to do with that DistinctRow

Can you select only the specific PKIDs then delete those records from the
table?

Warning OTTOMH:

DELETE [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month]
WHERE PID IN
(SELECT PID
FROM [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month] INNER JOIN [tbl Statuses
During Prior Month] ON [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].PID =
[tbl Statuses During Prior Month].PID
WHERE ((([tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status) In
("FL","FM","FH","SL","SM","SH","SP","PL","PM","PH","RP","RM","RH","RL","TA","WD","WC","WF","WCH","WAGW","WAGC")));



On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Kaup, Chester <Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> wrote:

> DELETE DISTINCTROW [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].*, [tbl
> Statuses During Prior Month].Status
> FROM [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month] INNER JOIN [tbl Statuses
> During Prior Month] ON [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].PID =
> [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].PID
> WHERE ((([tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status) In
> ("FL","FM","FH","SL","SM","SH","SP","PL","PM","PH","RP","RM","RH","RL","TA","WD","WC","WF","WCH","WAGW","WAGC")));
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete query problem
>
> Post the SQL.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Kaup, Chester <
> Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com
> > wrote:
>
> > I have a simple delete query. When I open the query in design mode and
> > click on view it shows 69 records that will be deleted. This is the
> correct
> > number. When I run the query it only wants to delete 29 records. A
> compact
> > and repair and restart did nothing. I have never seen this before. Your
> > ideas?
> >
> >
> > Chester Kaup
> >
> > Engineering Technician
> >
> > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> >
> > Office (432) 688-3797
> >
> > FAX (432) 688-3799
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large
> number
> > of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Aug  6 16:40:48 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:40:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
In-Reply-To: <4A7B4B1B.29833.4D27BBC5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4A7B4B1B.29833.4D27BBC5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4DF@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

No relationships are set up. What is annoying is that it was working.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:29 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete query problem

Some sort of relational constraints preventing you from actually deleting some records?

-- 
Stuart

On 6 Aug 2009 at 16:06, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> I have a simple delete query. When I open the query in design mode and
> click on view it shows 69 records that will be deleted. This is the
> correct number. When I run the query it only wants to delete 29
> records. A compact and repair and restart did nothing. I have never
> seen this before. Your ideas? 
> 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug  6 16:41:37 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:41:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>	<013040773D55408680E32795DF9408D7@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4A7B4E11.5010403@colbyconsulting.com>

Yea, I pretty much just close back out whenever I end up there.  It would be one thing if the only 
people allowed to answer were verifiable experts but I can see no way to discern that the responders 
know anything at all.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> I have often wondered how Experts Exchange stays in business.  I have
> been a member in the past, but never could find the answers I needed
> (where were those MVPs then, I wonder) and I resent not being able to
> preview an article before I decide that I'm willing to pay for it.  It
> irritates me no end to follow a search link and discover I have to pay
> up and sign in to even find out whether the piece is relevant.
> 
> Charlotte Foust 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> Ken,
> 
> <<3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
> It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
> money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results.
> They understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even
> if they have nothing to offer. What a waste!>>
> 
>   I think you really need to ask yourself that if they have nothing to
> offer, then:
> 
> A. Why are they still in business?
> 
> B. Why do they have so much exposure?
> 
>   I don't know what you and others have run into on Experts Exchange,
> but at last count, there are over 200 Microsoft MVPs that call Expert's
> Exchange home.  I don't believe there is a larger concentration of MVP's
> anywhere on any site.
> 
>   Certainly there are idiots that will spout off non-answers, but there
> are also a lot of qualified folks who hang out there as well.
> 
>   I find what seems to gall people the most is that they charge for the
> service and make money at it.  Personally, I find nothing wrong with
> that.
> EE incorporated in 1996 and almost went bankrupt along with a lot of the
> other .com's that burst.  But they changed their business model to
> something that worked and as a result, their still around.  That allows
> them to continually work at and improve the site.  As you yourself point
> out; when's the last time Access-D had an overhaul and why not?
> 
>   Outside of all that, you can earn a membership by answering a few
> questions a month.  So if you contribute, then it costs you nothing.
> I've been involved with the site since 1999 (after CompuServe went more
> or less belly up - they sold out to WUGNET) and so far, I have not paid
> a dime.
> 
>   Of course if your looking for more exposure and something that's free,
> then I suppose you could try the Microsoft news groups.  They haven't
> changed their format either, but they certainly show up in the search
> results more often then Access-D.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug  6 22:05:50 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:05:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Partition
In-Reply-To: <4A7B4E11.5010403@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>,
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>,
	<4A7B4E11.5010403@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A7B9A0E.24119.52FC4A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Quick VBA quiz:

What does this return and why?
(Actually runnning it to find out is cheating!)

Partition(99.5,0,100,10)




From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Aug  6 22:12:19 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:12:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Partition
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>,
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>,
	<4A7B4E11.5010403@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A7B9A0E.24119.52FC4A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <126A92148C6249ABAAFA4EA3ED9F3DDA@Mattys>

Zero to one hundred in columns of ten?
Is there a sale on yarn coming up?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:05 PM
Subject: [AccessD] Partition


> Quick VBA quiz:
>
> What does this return and why?
> (Actually runnning it to find out is cheating!)
>
> Partition(99.5,0,100,10)
>
>
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> 



From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Aug  6 22:20:31 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:20:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Partition
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>,
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>,
	<4A7B4E11.5010403@colbyconsulting.com><4A7B9A0E.24119.52FC4A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<126A92148C6249ABAAFA4EA3ED9F3DDA@Mattys>
Message-ID: <919B34B7CDB34ECAB0B450FBBA252C89@Mattys>

Try it on a DOB column:

TRANSFORM Count(CInt(DateDiff("yyyy",[date of birth],Now()))) AS CountOfAge
SELECT CInt(DateDiff("yyyy",nz([date of birth],Now()),Now())) AS [Years Old]
FROM DOB
GROUP BY CInt(DateDiff("yyyy",nz([date of birth],Now()),Now()))
PIVOT Partition(CInt(DateDiff("yyyy",nz([date of 
birth],Now()),Now())),0,99,10);

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Mattys" <mmattys at rochester.rr.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Partition


> Zero to one hundred in columns of ten?
> Is there a sale on yarn coming up?
>
> -
> Michael R Mattys
> MapPoint and Database Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> -
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:05 PM
> Subject: [AccessD] Partition
>
>
>> Quick VBA quiz:
>>
>> What does this return and why?
>> (Actually runnning it to find out is cheating!)
>>
>> Partition(99.5,0,100,10)
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
> -- 
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> 



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug  7 06:04:18 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:04:18 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Google Maps Navigator" Sample MS Access Application
Message-ID: <005801ca174e$d08c6430$71a52c90$@spb.ru>

Hi All,

(Sorry I have got this message cross-posted: originally posted by mistake to
dba-VB)

Have you ever tried to work with Google Maps in MS Access application via MS
Web Browser control? To do some simple navigation you can use URLs like the
following:
 

Finland

http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo
<http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=65,27&spn=5,5>
&mode=preview&ll=65,27&spn=5,5 

Using this approach I have made a simple sample application, which
screenshot you can see here:


http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/temp/GoogleMapsNavigator.jpg 

My question is: Do you know what format of URLs to use to show just a map?


I know there exist the Google Maps API
(http://code.google.com/intl/en-EN/apis/maps/) for advanced usage of Google
Maps via JavaScript but I wanted to try to bypass usage of that API this
time.
 

For the ones interested to experiment via simple Google Maps navigation
approach I have posted MS Access sample application here: 

http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600 

You can download it using the following URL(watch line wraps):

http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600#D
ownloadId=78352  (175KB)
 

Our Northwind.CodePlex.com team could use the above approach + Google Maps
API in .NET sample application.
 

More advanced question is: Is there any way to react in MS Access hosting
form's VBA code to the changes done in Google Maps map, e.g. Zoom-in/out,
Move of map .? I mean when Zoon-in/out happens there should be AJAX (Google
Maps API) calls to the Google server - are there any web browser events,
corresponding to that API calls?(I know Browser navigation can be trapped
via web browser events but this isn't the question.) 

Thank you.
 
--
Shamil


P.S. Some more sample URLs:

Finland
http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=65,27&spn=5,5

UK
http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=55,-3&spn=6,6

Mexico
http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=23,-102&spn=10,10

 

Italy
http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=41,12&spn=5,5

Australia
http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=-25,133&spn=20,20

Japan
http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=36,138&spn=5,5

Madagascar
http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=-18,46&spn=10,16


 

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database 4314 (20090807) __________

The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.

http://www.esetnod32.ru
 



From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Aug  7 07:51:19 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:51:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
	<013040773D55408680E32795DF9408D7@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <5457C5D0E872444A85354EA25A7B9CFC@XPS>

Charlotte,

  I'd be the first to admit that the PAQ database (Previously Asked
Question) has gone down in quality tremendously.  When the site first
started out, it was of course smaller and had much more of that "community
feel" to it like Access-D does.  There were far fewer questions and answers
were more concise.  In the Access area, there were only a dozen or so at
most of Access Experts.

  Now with the number of members in the millions, it has moved more to a
"ask a question, get an answer" type format rather then relying on the PAQ.
Although EE still says that about 80% of the members still don't ask
questions and get their answers from the PAQ, I find it hard to believe.
You need to wade through a lot of stuff.

  Personally, unless you have a very specific question (ie. you have an
error message or something like that), it's very hard to get a answer from
the PAQ anymore.  Your far better off to simply post a question and get an
answer and with the number of people now on the site, that happens fairly
quickly.

  That's really no different then what happens here on Access-D.  You post
and get an answer or someone says "search the archives".  I think here on
Access-D though there is a lot more quality to the posts then a lot of what
you'll find on EE.  It's turned into too much of a points race there
(Experts get points for answering questions) so answers tend to be short and
quick. That all started when they allowed members unlimited question points.
Before that, the amount of points you had with which to ask questions was
limited, so you asked good questions and were more involved with the answer.
Now that's not the case and many questioners simply give up and move onto
another question since it basically costs them nothing.  This is another
reason why the PAQ has gone way down in quality.  EE has finally started to
put a cap on that by limiting the number of questions you can have open, but
it's too little too late I'm afraid.

  As far as the paying part, I always remember TANSTAAFL; There ain't no
such thing as a free lunch.  As I've already pointed out, you sign up and
pay or contribute and get the service for free.  They do have a limited
membership for 30 days that is free to try things out, but 30 days is all
you get.

   And to be clear, my point for posting all this is not to do this as a
form of promoting EE here, but trying to figure out what it is about EE that
everyone dislikes so much.   I have to say, I was quite surprised at the
level of resentment towards EE the last time this came up.  So much so that
you guys actually worked out a way to eliminate it from Google search
results.

  What I want to understand is it a matter of EE being misunderstood, or the
way in which it actually operates that is the problem.  Frankly I'm
surprised that more of you have not shown up there or else where.

  I guess though that is a testament to Access-D.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:05 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

I have often wondered how Experts Exchange stays in business.  I have
been a member in the past, but never could find the answers I needed
(where were those MVPs then, I wonder) and I resent not being able to
preview an article before I decide that I'm willing to pay for it.  It
irritates me no end to follow a search link and discover I have to pay
up and sign in to even find out whether the piece is relevant.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:33 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Ken,

<<3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results.
They understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even
if they have nothing to offer. What a waste!>>

  I think you really need to ask yourself that if they have nothing to
offer, then:

A. Why are they still in business?

B. Why do they have so much exposure?

  I don't know what you and others have run into on Experts Exchange,
but at last count, there are over 200 Microsoft MVPs that call Expert's
Exchange home.  I don't believe there is a larger concentration of MVP's
anywhere on any site.

  Certainly there are idiots that will spout off non-answers, but there
are also a lot of qualified folks who hang out there as well.

  I find what seems to gall people the most is that they charge for the
service and make money at it.  Personally, I find nothing wrong with
that.
EE incorporated in 1996 and almost went bankrupt along with a lot of the
other .com's that burst.  But they changed their business model to
something that worked and as a result, their still around.  That allows
them to continually work at and improve the site.  As you yourself point
out; when's the last time Access-D had an overhaul and why not?

  Outside of all that, you can earn a membership by answering a few
questions a month.  So if you contribute, then it costs you nothing.
I've been involved with the site since 1999 (after CompuServe went more
or less belly up - they sold out to WUGNET) and so far, I have not paid
a dime.

  Of course if your looking for more exposure and something that's free,
then I suppose you could try the Microsoft news groups.  They haven't
changed their format either, but they certainly show up in the search
results more often then Access-D.

Jim.


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug  7 08:54:27 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:54:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <5457C5D0E872444A85354EA25A7B9CFC@XPS>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>	<013040773D55408680E32795DF9408D7@XPS>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<5457C5D0E872444A85354EA25A7B9CFC@XPS>
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One of the things that I resent about EE is that they are VERY good about getting their results in 
the Google top N returned results.

So if I DON'T want to view them (and I don't, particularly now that they are a pay only site) I end 
up clicking on them by mistake and having to back out.

Jim, I have to say that you appear to have an investment in them similar to what I have in AccessD, 
put a lot of effort into them etc.  I think that quite naturally colors your view of their service.

A Google based search is fundamentally different from an email based "search".  In AccessD you ask a 
question, with a subject line.  That tags all responses as "of interest to you".  As answers pour 
in, you can simply delete any subject not of interest and read your answers.

With a Google search, you have to click into each response, set up a search in your browser to 
"find" keywords, and then search down to find whatever.  Remember that what you are interested in 
may be the "subject" of the page you are in or it may just be mentioned in passing waaaaaayyyyyy 
down the page somewhere.  Or too many times, it is not there AT ALL, the web page owner might have 
just padded his page with technical phrases to get you to click on his site.

So Googling is inherently efficient IF the returned hit is in fact directly about what you are 
searching for, but that is (in my experience) only true in 10% or even less of the hits returned. 
Thus you spend a TON of time reading crap trying to find the gold.

Unfortunately for me, I sometimes get pulled into the crap and read it just because... which makes 
the total time to find my answer even longer.

I used to use EE when it was free, because it was there, not because it was particularly "expert". 
I usually know enough about what I am trying to discover to be able to differentiate between "likely 
to work" and "blowing smoke" or simply "misunderstood the question".  But I have to say that in MY 
experience EE was never any better than any of the technical sites about the same subject, and often 
MUCH worse.  Any yahoo can answer a question, and many yahoos DO answer questions.

In the more focused technical sites there tend to be "experts" that you can very quickly discern 
their contributions and more importantly their names.  It becomes easy to scan down looking for 
specific names and concentrate on their answers, since you can just tell that they are the ones with 
the answers.  I am not sure EE ever had that, but I never found that to be the case.  LOTS of Yahoo 
answers, which might very well be correct but if nothing else required a ton of winnowing to get at 
the wheat so to speak.

The nice thing about AccessD is that while we often get many different answers, the vast majority of 
the answers actually address the question (ignoring the "wanders off topic") and actually provide 
valid technical content.  Wandering off topic is an issue but can easily be handled in preview mode 
with the delete key.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jim Dettman wrote:
> Charlotte,
> 
>   I'd be the first to admit that the PAQ database (Previously Asked
> Question) has gone down in quality tremendously.  When the site first
> started out, it was of course smaller and had much more of that "community
> feel" to it like Access-D does.  There were far fewer questions and answers
> were more concise.  In the Access area, there were only a dozen or so at
> most of Access Experts.
> 
>   Now with the number of members in the millions, it has moved more to a
> "ask a question, get an answer" type format rather then relying on the PAQ.
> Although EE still says that about 80% of the members still don't ask
> questions and get their answers from the PAQ, I find it hard to believe.
> You need to wade through a lot of stuff.
> 
>   Personally, unless you have a very specific question (ie. you have an
> error message or something like that), it's very hard to get a answer from
> the PAQ anymore.  Your far better off to simply post a question and get an
> answer and with the number of people now on the site, that happens fairly
> quickly.
> 
>   That's really no different then what happens here on Access-D.  You post
> and get an answer or someone says "search the archives".  I think here on
> Access-D though there is a lot more quality to the posts then a lot of what
> you'll find on EE.  It's turned into too much of a points race there
> (Experts get points for answering questions) so answers tend to be short and
> quick. That all started when they allowed members unlimited question points.
> Before that, the amount of points you had with which to ask questions was
> limited, so you asked good questions and were more involved with the answer.
> Now that's not the case and many questioners simply give up and move onto
> another question since it basically costs them nothing.  This is another
> reason why the PAQ has gone way down in quality.  EE has finally started to
> put a cap on that by limiting the number of questions you can have open, but
> it's too little too late I'm afraid.
> 
>   As far as the paying part, I always remember TANSTAAFL; There ain't no
> such thing as a free lunch.  As I've already pointed out, you sign up and
> pay or contribute and get the service for free.  They do have a limited
> membership for 30 days that is free to try things out, but 30 days is all
> you get.
> 
>    And to be clear, my point for posting all this is not to do this as a
> form of promoting EE here, but trying to figure out what it is about EE that
> everyone dislikes so much.   I have to say, I was quite surprised at the
> level of resentment towards EE the last time this came up.  So much so that
> you guys actually worked out a way to eliminate it from Google search
> results.
> 
>   What I want to understand is it a matter of EE being misunderstood, or the
> way in which it actually operates that is the problem.  Frankly I'm
> surprised that more of you have not shown up there or else where.
> 
>   I guess though that is a testament to Access-D.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> I have often wondered how Experts Exchange stays in business.  I have
> been a member in the past, but never could find the answers I needed
> (where were those MVPs then, I wonder) and I resent not being able to
> preview an article before I decide that I'm willing to pay for it.  It
> irritates me no end to follow a search link and discover I have to pay
> up and sign in to even find out whether the piece is relevant.
> 
> Charlotte Foust 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> Ken,
> 
> <<3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
> It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
> money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results.
> They understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even
> if they have nothing to offer. What a waste!>>
> 
>   I think you really need to ask yourself that if they have nothing to
> offer, then:
> 
> A. Why are they still in business?
> 
> B. Why do they have so much exposure?
> 
>   I don't know what you and others have run into on Experts Exchange,
> but at last count, there are over 200 Microsoft MVPs that call Expert's
> Exchange home.  I don't believe there is a larger concentration of MVP's
> anywhere on any site.
> 
>   Certainly there are idiots that will spout off non-answers, but there
> are also a lot of qualified folks who hang out there as well.
> 
>   I find what seems to gall people the most is that they charge for the
> service and make money at it.  Personally, I find nothing wrong with
> that.
> EE incorporated in 1996 and almost went bankrupt along with a lot of the
> other .com's that burst.  But they changed their business model to
> something that worked and as a result, their still around.  That allows
> them to continually work at and improve the site.  As you yourself point
> out; when's the last time Access-D had an overhaul and why not?
> 
>   Outside of all that, you can earn a membership by answering a few
> questions a month.  So if you contribute, then it costs you nothing.
> I've been involved with the site since 1999 (after CompuServe went more
> or less belly up - they sold out to WUGNET) and so far, I have not paid
> a dime.
> 
>   Of course if your looking for more exposure and something that's free,
> then I suppose you could try the Microsoft news groups.  They haven't
> changed their format either, but they certainly show up in the search
> results more often then Access-D.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Aug  7 09:29:19 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:29:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7C3213.2040606@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
	<013040773D55408680E32795DF9408D7@XPS>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<5457C5D0E872444A85354EA25A7B9CFC@XPS>
	<4A7C3213.2040606@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <059DFAAFA3984813B8E3A56F37FFD51F@XPS>

John,

  Appreciate the comments very much.  Thanks.

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 9:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

One of the things that I resent about EE is that they are VERY good about
getting their results in 
the Google top N returned results.

So if I DON'T want to view them (and I don't, particularly now that they are
a pay only site) I end 
up clicking on them by mistake and having to back out.

Jim, I have to say that you appear to have an investment in them similar to
what I have in AccessD, 
put a lot of effort into them etc.  I think that quite naturally colors your
view of their service.

A Google based search is fundamentally different from an email based
"search".  In AccessD you ask a 
question, with a subject line.  That tags all responses as "of interest to
you".  As answers pour 
in, you can simply delete any subject not of interest and read your answers.

With a Google search, you have to click into each response, set up a search
in your browser to 
"find" keywords, and then search down to find whatever.  Remember that what
you are interested in 
may be the "subject" of the page you are in or it may just be mentioned in
passing waaaaaayyyyyy 
down the page somewhere.  Or too many times, it is not there AT ALL, the web
page owner might have 
just padded his page with technical phrases to get you to click on his site.

So Googling is inherently efficient IF the returned hit is in fact directly
about what you are 
searching for, but that is (in my experience) only true in 10% or even less
of the hits returned. 
Thus you spend a TON of time reading crap trying to find the gold.

Unfortunately for me, I sometimes get pulled into the crap and read it just
because... which makes 
the total time to find my answer even longer.

I used to use EE when it was free, because it was there, not because it was
particularly "expert". 
I usually know enough about what I am trying to discover to be able to
differentiate between "likely 
to work" and "blowing smoke" or simply "misunderstood the question".  But I
have to say that in MY 
experience EE was never any better than any of the technical sites about the
same subject, and often 
MUCH worse.  Any yahoo can answer a question, and many yahoos DO answer
questions.

In the more focused technical sites there tend to be "experts" that you can
very quickly discern 
their contributions and more importantly their names.  It becomes easy to
scan down looking for 
specific names and concentrate on their answers, since you can just tell
that they are the ones with 
the answers.  I am not sure EE ever had that, but I never found that to be
the case.  LOTS of Yahoo 
answers, which might very well be correct but if nothing else required a ton
of winnowing to get at 
the wheat so to speak.

The nice thing about AccessD is that while we often get many different
answers, the vast majority of 
the answers actually address the question (ignoring the "wanders off topic")
and actually provide 
valid technical content.  Wandering off topic is an issue but can easily be
handled in preview mode 
with the delete key.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jim Dettman wrote:
> Charlotte,
> 
>   I'd be the first to admit that the PAQ database (Previously Asked
> Question) has gone down in quality tremendously.  When the site first
> started out, it was of course smaller and had much more of that "community
> feel" to it like Access-D does.  There were far fewer questions and
answers
> were more concise.  In the Access area, there were only a dozen or so at
> most of Access Experts.
> 
>   Now with the number of members in the millions, it has moved more to a
> "ask a question, get an answer" type format rather then relying on the
PAQ.
> Although EE still says that about 80% of the members still don't ask
> questions and get their answers from the PAQ, I find it hard to believe.
> You need to wade through a lot of stuff.
> 
>   Personally, unless you have a very specific question (ie. you have an
> error message or something like that), it's very hard to get a answer from
> the PAQ anymore.  Your far better off to simply post a question and get an
> answer and with the number of people now on the site, that happens fairly
> quickly.
> 
>   That's really no different then what happens here on Access-D.  You post
> and get an answer or someone says "search the archives".  I think here on
> Access-D though there is a lot more quality to the posts then a lot of
what
> you'll find on EE.  It's turned into too much of a points race there
> (Experts get points for answering questions) so answers tend to be short
and
> quick. That all started when they allowed members unlimited question
points.
> Before that, the amount of points you had with which to ask questions was
> limited, so you asked good questions and were more involved with the
answer.
> Now that's not the case and many questioners simply give up and move onto
> another question since it basically costs them nothing.  This is another
> reason why the PAQ has gone way down in quality.  EE has finally started
to
> put a cap on that by limiting the number of questions you can have open,
but
> it's too little too late I'm afraid.
> 
>   As far as the paying part, I always remember TANSTAAFL; There ain't no
> such thing as a free lunch.  As I've already pointed out, you sign up and
> pay or contribute and get the service for free.  They do have a limited
> membership for 30 days that is free to try things out, but 30 days is all
> you get.
> 
>    And to be clear, my point for posting all this is not to do this as a
> form of promoting EE here, but trying to figure out what it is about EE
that
> everyone dislikes so much.   I have to say, I was quite surprised at the
> level of resentment towards EE the last time this came up.  So much so
that
> you guys actually worked out a way to eliminate it from Google search
> results.
> 
>   What I want to understand is it a matter of EE being misunderstood, or
the
> way in which it actually operates that is the problem.  Frankly I'm
> surprised that more of you have not shown up there or else where.
> 
>   I guess though that is a testament to Access-D.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:05 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> I have often wondered how Experts Exchange stays in business.  I have
> been a member in the past, but never could find the answers I needed
> (where were those MVPs then, I wonder) and I resent not being able to
> preview an article before I decide that I'm willing to pay for it.  It
> irritates me no end to follow a search link and discover I have to pay
> up and sign in to even find out whether the piece is relevant.
> 
> Charlotte Foust 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:33 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> Ken,
> 
> <<3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
> It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
> money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results.
> They understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even
> if they have nothing to offer. What a waste!>>
> 
>   I think you really need to ask yourself that if they have nothing to
> offer, then:
> 
> A. Why are they still in business?
> 
> B. Why do they have so much exposure?
> 
>   I don't know what you and others have run into on Experts Exchange,
> but at last count, there are over 200 Microsoft MVPs that call Expert's
> Exchange home.  I don't believe there is a larger concentration of MVP's
> anywhere on any site.
> 
>   Certainly there are idiots that will spout off non-answers, but there
> are also a lot of qualified folks who hang out there as well.
> 
>   I find what seems to gall people the most is that they charge for the
> service and make money at it.  Personally, I find nothing wrong with
> that.
> EE incorporated in 1996 and almost went bankrupt along with a lot of the
> other .com's that burst.  But they changed their business model to
> something that worked and as a result, their still around.  That allows
> them to continually work at and improve the site.  As you yourself point
> out; when's the last time Access-D had an overhaul and why not?
> 
>   Outside of all that, you can earn a membership by answering a few
> questions a month.  So if you contribute, then it costs you nothing.
> I've been involved with the site since 1999 (after CompuServe went more
> or less belly up - they sold out to WUGNET) and so far, I have not paid
> a dime.
> 
>   Of course if your looking for more exposure and something that's free,
> then I suppose you could try the Microsoft news groups.  They haven't
> changed their format either, but they certainly show up in the search
> results more often then Access-D.
> 
> Jim.
> 
> 
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Fri Aug  7 09:38:31 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:38:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] "Google Maps Navigator" Sample MS Access Application
References: <005801ca174e$d08c6430$71a52c90$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <143AE680540841329C72EBB7697B36A7@Mattys>

Hi Shamil,

I think these properties might be of interest using .Net, specifically 
UpdateBounds
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.forms.webbrowserbase_methods.aspx

One has to dig in further to test ...
-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shamil Salakhetdinov" <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 7:04 AM
Subject: [AccessD] "Google Maps Navigator" Sample MS Access Application


> Hi All,
>
> (Sorry I have got this message cross-posted: originally posted by mistake 
> to
> dba-VB)
>
> Have you ever tried to work with Google Maps in MS Access application via 
> MS
> Web Browser control? To do some simple navigation you can use URLs like 
> the
> following:
>
>
> Finland
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo
> <http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=65,27&spn=5,5>
> &mode=preview&ll=65,27&spn=5,5
>
> Using this approach I have made a simple sample application, which
> screenshot you can see here:
>
>
> http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/temp/GoogleMapsNavigator.jpg
>
> My question is: Do you know what format of URLs to use to show just a map?
>
>
> I know there exist the Google Maps API
> (http://code.google.com/intl/en-EN/apis/maps/) for advanced usage of 
> Google
> Maps via JavaScript but I wanted to try to bypass usage of that API this
> time.
>
>
> For the ones interested to experiment via simple Google Maps navigation
> approach I have posted MS Access sample application here:
>
> http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600
>
> You can download it using the following URL(watch line wraps):
>
> http://northwind.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=26600#D
> ownloadId=78352  (175KB)
>
>
> Our Northwind.CodePlex.com team could use the above approach + Google Maps
> API in .NET sample application.
>
>
> More advanced question is: Is there any way to react in MS Access hosting
> form's VBA code to the changes done in Google Maps map, e.g. Zoom-in/out,
> Move of map .? I mean when Zoon-in/out happens there should be AJAX 
> (Google
> Maps API) calls to the Google server - are there any web browser events,
> corresponding to that API calls?(I know Browser navigation can be trapped
> via web browser events but this isn't the question.)
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Shamil
>
>
> P.S. Some more sample URLs:
>
> Finland
> http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=65,27&spn=5,5
>
> UK
> http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=55,-3&spn=6,6
>
> Mexico
> http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=23,-102&spn=10,10
>
>
>
> Italy
> http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=41,12&spn=5,5
>
> Australia
> http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=-25,133&spn=20,20
>
> Japan
> http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=36,138&spn=5,5
>
> Madagascar
> http://maps.google.com/maps?type=photo&mode=preview&ll=-18,46&spn=10,16
>
>
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus 
> signature
> database 4314 (20090807) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
>
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>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 10:03:11 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:03:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Message-ID: <7c7841600908070803w56836391ub9c2f7bfe3fd2b6e@mail.gmail.com>

Some responses:

Jim Hewson:
> I, for one, like the email format.
> Most blogs are hidden from me...

David McAfee:
> I also like the email format...
> Like Jim's company, my company restricts access to blog sites...

What I am suggesting is something like the Yahoo Groups model: you can get
email digests, complete with handy links that let you find and respond to a
messages with a click.

But, the email is merely a copy of what is really happening on the Yahoo
Groups site.

My point is, our focus should shift to web content, with email remaining as
just another delivery method.


Jim Dettman:
> I think you really need to ask yourself that if they [Expert's Exchange]
> have nothing to offer, then:
> A. Why are they still in business? ...

I have to side with Charlotte and John on this one: no one I know who has
tried them has had a positive experience.

I presume they don't have a refund policy.

Any site that panhandles so hard for money can't have your best interests at
heart.

I automatically pass by Expert's Exchange, just like the plethora of useless
'review' sites that clog the web.

-Ken


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Aug  7 10:31:48 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:31:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908070803w56836391ub9c2f7bfe3fd2b6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908070803w56836391ub9c2f7bfe3fd2b6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <121C8B00C18444F092D7329E3AF60512@XPS>

Ken,

  <<I presume they don't have a refund policy.>>

  That is correct, but if you pay monthly, $12.95 is not going to break the
bank either.  But the main reason refunds are not given is  because there is
a large amount of overhead in dealing with refunds vs the small amount of
money involved. If someone decides to cancel, they typically do it close to
the end of the month.  Processing a refund at approx .43 a day is hardly
worth it.

  <<Any site that panhandles so hard for money can't have your best
interests at
heart.>>

  Hum, well unfortunately money makes the world go round as we all know :(

  I'd hate to have EE's bandwidth bill alone much less pay the 50+ employees
and all the support and maintenance for the hardware they use to run the
site.

  I guess I just don't understand why everyone seems to have this
fundamental belief that because it's on the Internet, it should be free to
them. Someone somewhere needs to foot the bill for services provided.
TANSTAAFL.

  But from my viewpoint, the history lesson seems clear; like any business,
you need to make money at it or it withers and possibly dies.  Face book,
unless they decided to start charging folks (which they have been
considering), will be another major player to go that route just like a lot
of other sites that disappeared during the .com bust.

  Sites can't survive on advertising alone.  They need to charge, and charge
enough, or they won't be around.

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 11:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Some responses:

Jim Hewson:
> I, for one, like the email format.
> Most blogs are hidden from me...

David McAfee:
> I also like the email format...
> Like Jim's company, my company restricts access to blog sites...

What I am suggesting is something like the Yahoo Groups model: you can get
email digests, complete with handy links that let you find and respond to a
messages with a click.

But, the email is merely a copy of what is really happening on the Yahoo
Groups site.

My point is, our focus should shift to web content, with email remaining as
just another delivery method.


Jim Dettman:
> I think you really need to ask yourself that if they [Expert's Exchange]
> have nothing to offer, then:
> A. Why are they still in business? ...

I have to side with Charlotte and John on this one: no one I know who has
tried them has had a positive experience.

I presume they don't have a refund policy.

Any site that panhandles so hard for money can't have your best interests at
heart.

I automatically pass by Expert's Exchange, just like the plethora of useless
'review' sites that clog the web.

-Ken
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 10:36:33 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:36:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908070803w56836391ub9c2f7bfe3fd2b6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908070803w56836391ub9c2f7bfe3fd2b6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950908070836r543030b3jf7344322121fc98c@mail.gmail.com>

We have some constraints to keep in mind.

1) We are run by volunteers. Everything we do in supporting what we
have is done without any compensation and so is for the most part fit
in between "real work" and life in general for the people that do
these things, particularly Bryan as the listmaster and Jim Lawerence
as the Webmaster.

2) We don't have much available cash or income to support a lot of
bandwidth and website hits.

I personally like the current method of distribution. I don't really
care if our solutions show up on search engines or not. Just my
opinion. I use a seperate G-Mail e-mail account for listmail mail
though too so I don't have the list mail "clogging up" my regular mail
accounts. G-mail's grouping messages by subject into threads works
fabulously for list mail such as ours various lists.

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Kenneth Ismert<kismert at gmail.com> wrote:
> Some responses:
>
> Jim Hewson:
>> I, for one, like the email format.
>> Most blogs are hidden from me...
>
> David McAfee:
>> I also like the email format...
>> Like Jim's company, my company restricts access to blog sites...
>
> What I am suggesting is something like the Yahoo Groups model: you can get
> email digests, complete with handy links that let you find and respond to a
> messages with a click.
>
> But, the email is merely a copy of what is really happening on the Yahoo
> Groups site.
>
> My point is, our focus should shift to web content, with email remaining as
> just another delivery method.
>
>
> Jim Dettman:
>> I think you really need to ask yourself that if they [Expert's Exchange]
>> have nothing to offer, then:
>> A. Why are they still in business? ...
>
> I have to side with Charlotte and John on this one: no one I know who has
> tried them has had a positive experience.
>
> I presume they don't have a refund policy.
>
> Any site that panhandles so hard for money can't have your best interests at
> heart.
>
> I automatically pass by Expert's Exchange, just like the plethora of useless
> 'review' sites that clog the web.
>
> -Ken
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Gary Kjos
garykjos at gmail.com


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Aug  7 10:39:10 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:39:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
Message-ID: <00F2D366276140F9982CF2FFC575F982@danwaters>

This is interesting!

http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/ftp_sms.htm

Dan



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 10:43:34 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:43:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
References: <7c7841600908070803w56836391ub9c2f7bfe3fd2b6e@mail.gmail.com>
	<121C8B00C18444F092D7329E3AF60512@XPS>
Message-ID: <F9390217D766435A9A2E0604B1CC07C1@SusanOne>

>
>  I guess I just don't understand why everyone seems to have this
> fundamental belief that because it's on the Internet, it should be free to
> them. Someone somewhere needs to foot the bill for services provided.
> TANSTAAFL.

=======The Cobb Group had a marketing site, but no freebies or anything like 
that. I remember a woman fussing at me over the phone -- "Where's the free 
stuff???" She actually said those words. I had to be diplomatic, but I 
finally said, "If the journal was online for free, would you pay a 
subscription fee?" She couldn't answer that one...

The amount of free content is astonding and if you know how to search right, 
you can get good information -- it takes time and effort though. There's no 
magic button, as yet, for getting the right set of links at the top of the 
search results.

If EE makes a profit, or even if it doesn't make a profit, but manages to 
pay its bills and its employees, then it's a viable business -- it's value 
is based solely in the hearts of those who use it. If you don't value it, 
don't use it -- while I hate shopping, I prefer Wal-mart to K-mart.

>
>  But from my viewpoint, the history lesson seems clear; like any business,
> you need to make money at it or it withers and possibly dies.  Face book,
> unless they decided to start charging folks (which they have been
> considering), will be another major player to go that route just like a 
> lot
> of other sites that disappeared during the .com bust.

=========Had to completely rebuild my client base after the .com bust. I'm 
rebuilding again.
>
>  Sites can't survive on advertising alone.  They need to charge, and 
> charge
> enough, or they won't be around.

=========They can and many do, but it isn't easy. You have to provide the 
right product at the right time, have a huge and regularly-visiting 
audience, and find the right advertisers. No small feat.

Susan H. 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug  7 10:46:43 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:46:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <5457C5D0E872444A85354EA25A7B9CFC@XPS>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com><013040773D55408680E32795DF9408D7@XPS><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB6D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<5457C5D0E872444A85354EA25A7B9CFC@XPS>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB87@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The whole points thing turned me off completely.  I have in the past
posted questions (not in a loooong time) without ever receiving an
answer.  I don't want points for an answer either, so it just isn't a
good fit for me. I'm not looking for a free lunch, but I'm also not
looking to buy a pig in a poke.  I think I'd feel better about it if you
could search the PAQ without being a member but you had to join in order
to post a question or answer.  Forget the points, that's just a numbers
game that doesn't actually say anything about how "expert" you are, only
about how many questions you've answered and had accepted. 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 5:51 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Charlotte,

  I'd be the first to admit that the PAQ database (Previously Asked
Question) has gone down in quality tremendously.  When the site first
started out, it was of course smaller and had much more of that
"community feel" to it like Access-D does.  There were far fewer
questions and answers were more concise.  In the Access area, there were
only a dozen or so at most of Access Experts.

  Now with the number of members in the millions, it has moved more to a
"ask a question, get an answer" type format rather then relying on the
PAQ.
Although EE still says that about 80% of the members still don't ask
questions and get their answers from the PAQ, I find it hard to believe.
You need to wade through a lot of stuff.

  Personally, unless you have a very specific question (ie. you have an
error message or something like that), it's very hard to get a answer
from the PAQ anymore.  Your far better off to simply post a question and
get an answer and with the number of people now on the site, that
happens fairly quickly.

  That's really no different then what happens here on Access-D.  You
post and get an answer or someone says "search the archives".  I think
here on Access-D though there is a lot more quality to the posts then a
lot of what you'll find on EE.  It's turned into too much of a points
race there (Experts get points for answering questions) so answers tend
to be short and quick. That all started when they allowed members
unlimited question points.
Before that, the amount of points you had with which to ask questions
was limited, so you asked good questions and were more involved with the
answer.
Now that's not the case and many questioners simply give up and move
onto another question since it basically costs them nothing.  This is
another reason why the PAQ has gone way down in quality.  EE has finally
started to put a cap on that by limiting the number of questions you can
have open, but it's too little too late I'm afraid.

  As far as the paying part, I always remember TANSTAAFL; There ain't no
such thing as a free lunch.  As I've already pointed out, you sign up
and pay or contribute and get the service for free.  They do have a
limited membership for 30 days that is free to try things out, but 30
days is all you get.

   And to be clear, my point for posting all this is not to do this as a
form of promoting EE here, but trying to figure out what it is about EE
that
everyone dislikes so much.   I have to say, I was quite surprised at the
level of resentment towards EE the last time this came up.  So much so
that you guys actually worked out a way to eliminate it from Google
search results.

  What I want to understand is it a matter of EE being misunderstood, or
the way in which it actually operates that is the problem.  Frankly I'm
surprised that more of you have not shown up there or else where.

  I guess though that is a testament to Access-D.

Jim.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug  7 10:54:13 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:54:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <F9390217D766435A9A2E0604B1CC07C1@SusanOne>
References: <7c7841600908070803w56836391ub9c2f7bfe3fd2b6e@mail.gmail.com><121C8B00C18444F092D7329E3AF60512@XPS>
	<F9390217D766435A9A2E0604B1CC07C1@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB8A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

The Cobb Group's site was not generalized, Susan.  A journal is a
completely different proposition from EE.  I subscribed to any number of
online journals over the years and was fine with it.  EE is just an
amorphous bunch of "answers" that aren't searchable so you don't know
whether they're worth paying for or not.

Charlotte Foust
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 8:44 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

>
>  I guess I just don't understand why everyone seems to have this 
> fundamental belief that because it's on the Internet, it should be 
> free to them. Someone somewhere needs to foot the bill for services
provided.
> TANSTAAFL.

=======The Cobb Group had a marketing site, but no freebies or anything
like that. I remember a woman fussing at me over the phone -- "Where's
the free stuff???" She actually said those words. I had to be
diplomatic, but I finally said, "If the journal was online for free,
would you pay a subscription fee?" She couldn't answer that one...

The amount of free content is astonding and if you know how to search
right, you can get good information -- it takes time and effort though.
There's no magic button, as yet, for getting the right set of links at
the top of the search results.

If EE makes a profit, or even if it doesn't make a profit, but manages
to pay its bills and its employees, then it's a viable business -- it's
value is based solely in the hearts of those who use it. If you don't
value it, don't use it -- while I hate shopping, I prefer Wal-mart to
K-mart.

>
>  But from my viewpoint, the history lesson seems clear; like any 
> business, you need to make money at it or it withers and possibly 
> dies.  Face book, unless they decided to start charging folks (which 
> they have been considering), will be another major player to go that 
> route just like a lot of other sites that disappeared during the .com 
> bust.

=========Had to completely rebuild my client base after the .com bust.
I'm rebuilding again.
>
>  Sites can't survive on advertising alone.  They need to charge, and 
> charge enough, or they won't be around.

=========They can and many do, but it isn't easy. You have to provide
the right product at the right time, have a huge and regularly-visiting
audience, and find the right advertisers. No small feat.

Susan H. 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 11:00:46 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:00:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
References: <7c7841600908070803w56836391ub9c2f7bfe3fd2b6e@mail.gmail.com><121C8B00C18444F092D7329E3AF60512@XPS><F9390217D766435A9A2E0604B1CC07C1@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB8A@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0F2E2C4FCB004A4AB985A93D27B6CFFE@SusanOne>

I understand, but I understand where Jim's coming from. If the business 
model is working, it's working. We won't all like the product, but 
somebody's buying it.

Susan H.


> The Cobb Group's site was not generalized, Susan.  A journal is a
> completely different proposition from EE.  I subscribed to any number of
> online journals over the years and was fine with it.  EE is just an
> amorphous bunch of "answers" that aren't searchable so you don't know
> whether they're worth paying for or not.



From pharold at proftesting.com  Fri Aug  7 11:22:25 2009
From: pharold at proftesting.com (Perry L Harold)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:22:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com><7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>
	<8786a4c00908061315r67c3d6c5v3f0b52b2d6dd964e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B036FD7@exchange.ptiorl.local>

I like the email format too.  But maybe the reason we aren't getting many newbies is because so many people are now used to blogs, twittering, etc. and don't really use email so much anymore.  I also agree with the comments earlier about AccessD never showing up in searches.  Maybe a member with knowhow could work on making that less of an issue with some of the tools available to promote sites to higher relavance.
 
And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic.  We're not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
 
Perry Harold

________________________________

From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com on behalf of David McAfee
Sent: Thu 8/6/2009 4:15 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message



I also like the email format. I've been on Access-L since 95 I believe, and
one AccessD since before it
was AccessD. What was it again? Blue Moutain Group? or something like it.

Like Jim's company, my company restricts access to blog sites.

As for the different lists, I like it as it is. I have filters in Gmail all
set up and it works great.




On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Hewson, Jim <JHewson at nciinc.com> wrote:

> I, for one, like the email format.
> Most blogs are hidden from me.  The company I work for restricts access
> to ALL blogs including those by Microsoft.
> They use a proxy server and it filters a LOT of stuff.
> I have found a work around... I use a laptop at work so have to disable
> the locate network connection (Cat5), turn off the connection to proxy
> server, locate the local wireless connection, log on and then sometimes
> I can get to a blog.
> There are some customer sites that also use a proxy to limit employees
> access to the internet.
> Besides, most of the blogs that I have encountered (at work and at home)
> contain little substance and lots of arrogant "experts" that chide the
> questioner.  They do that by answering with responses like:  "We
> discussed this last month. Don't you read all the posts?" or "I am tired
> of answering the  same question - do a search on the archives."
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth
> Ismert
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 1:55 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
>  OK, I've been harping on the way things are, so I want to offer some
> positive suggestions:
>
> 1. Produce web content, not email content.
> Our content needs to be visible to the outside world. A mail digest is
> hidden from search engines. Even the archive is a black hole -- I've
> never
> seen any AccessD post show up on any web search, ever. Someone tell me
> if
> they've ever seen AccessD in even the first ten pages of search results.
>
> 2. Move to a blog format.
> I increasingly rely on blog posts in my technical searches. I appreciate
> that someone has taken the care to produce a cogent post that answers a
> particular topic. Blog posts can be perma-linked, tagged, and
> categorized --
> a huge boon for search engines. You also get a constant, fresh stream of
> new
> content, which boosts search rankings.
> One of the problems with an email thread is that you get: Question,
> debate,
> flames, baiting, then off-topic rambling near the end. Sometimes there
> is an
> answer in there, sometimes not. That's why email-thread format groups
> are my
> last option in search.
> But, if you reframe the email thread as an incubator for a blog post,
> you
> present the opportunity for the person with the best response to
> summarize
> their post as a blog entry. That's easy, because most of the article is
> already written.
> Everyone wins -- blog posters get web exposure, questions get distilled
> into
> a clear and easy-to-follow format, answers get vetted by a community of
> experts, and you gain in search engine rankings which will draw new
> subscribers.
>
> 3. Co-opt Experts Exchange
> It burns me that experts-exchange, AKA 'drooling idiots trying to charge
> money for non-answers', is so dominating in technical search results.
> They
> understand SEO, and are clobbering use in terms of exposure, even if
> they
> have nothing to offer. What a waste!
> We have an incredible pool of talent, that, given convenient tools,
> could
> handily beat expert sex change in terms of quality of content.
>
> But, if we keep hiding our light under a bushel, we really need to
> accept
> that AccessD is a private club of friends who chat about what's going on
> in
> their technical lives, and occasionally answer an Access question, too.
>
> -Ken
> --
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 11:35:39 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:35:39 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B036FD7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>
	<8786a4c00908061315r67c3d6c5v3f0b52b2d6dd964e@mail.gmail.com>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B036FD7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950908070935n6cc5be3n7b575e3fab7b4907@mail.gmail.com>

It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L Harold<pharold at proftesting.com> wrote:
> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic. ?We're not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>
> Perry Harold


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug  7 12:08:15 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:08:15 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
Message-ID: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

Interesting yes. This guy builds a simple text file by creating a temp table, executing a dozen of SQL insert queries to create a record for each line of text, and exporting the table to create the text file ... 
I nearly forgot - it is Friday.

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 07-08-2009 17:39 >>>
This is interesting!

http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/ftp_sms.htm 

Dan





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Aug  7 12:26:31 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:26:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <7B86A6D6E15F4CC895771811A653891F@danwaters>

Thanks Gustav!

I didn't read the code myself - just saw that it could be done!  Maybe he
wrote this last Friday?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

Hi Dan

Interesting yes. This guy builds a simple text file by creating a temp
table, executing a dozen of SQL insert queries to create a record for each
line of text, and exporting the table to create the text file ... 
I nearly forgot - it is Friday.

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 07-08-2009 17:39 >>>
This is interesting!

http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/ftp_sms.htm 

Dan



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug  7 12:42:12 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:42:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <7B86A6D6E15F4CC895771811A653891F@danwaters>
References: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>
	<7B86A6D6E15F4CC895771811A653891F@danwaters>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB92@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Also depends on what version of Access he's using.  But I've built
textfiles from Access in the past using nearly identical code to VB6.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

Thanks Gustav!

I didn't read the code myself - just saw that it could be done!  Maybe
he wrote this last Friday?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

Hi Dan

Interesting yes. This guy builds a simple text file by creating a temp
table, executing a dozen of SQL insert queries to create a record for
each line of text, and exporting the table to create the text file ... 
I nearly forgot - it is Friday.

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 07-08-2009 17:39 >>>
This is interesting!

http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/ftp_sms.htm 

Dan



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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug  7 12:48:03 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:48:03 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access (SMS)
Message-ID: <sa7c850e.007@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

The key here is the commercial provider (SMS gateway) which sports an extensive array of APIs including COM:

  http://www.clickatell.com/brochure/products/developer_solutions.php 

Lots of info on that site.

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 07-08-2009 19:26 >>>
Thanks Gustav!

I didn't read the code myself - just saw that it could be done!  Maybe he
wrote this last Friday?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

Hi Dan

Interesting yes. This guy builds a simple text file by creating a temp
table, executing a dozen of SQL insert queries to create a record for each
line of text, and exporting the table to create the text file ... 
I nearly forgot - it is Friday.

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 07-08-2009 17:39 >>>
This is interesting!

http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/ftp_sms.htm 

Dan





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug  7 12:51:36 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:51:36 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
Message-ID: <sa7c85e0.008@cactus.dk>

Hi Charlotte

And - some years later - you learned how to open a recordset and append records, right?

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 07-08-2009 19:42 >>>
Also depends on what version of Access he's using.  But I've built
textfiles from Access in the past using nearly identical code to VB6.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

Thanks Gustav!

I didn't read the code myself - just saw that it could be done!  Maybe
he wrote this last Friday?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

Hi Dan

Interesting yes. This guy builds a simple text file by creating a temp
table, executing a dozen of SQL insert queries to create a record for
each line of text, and exporting the table to create the text file ... 
I nearly forgot - it is Friday.

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 07-08-2009 17:39 >>>
This is interesting!

http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/ftp_sms.htm 

Dan





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 12:55:55 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 18:55:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950908070935n6cc5be3n7b575e3fab7b4907@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>	<8786a4c00908061315r67c3d6c5v3f0b52b2d6dd964e@mail.gmail.com>	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B036FD7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
	<aea6c4950908070935n6cc5be3n7b575e3fab7b4907@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a7c6af2.0707d00a.06a0.ffff931e@mx.google.com>

Since When??
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
wrote:
> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic. ?We're
not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>
> Perry Harold


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug  7 13:06:53 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:06:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <sa7c85e0.008@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7c85e0.008@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB93@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

LOL  Something like that Gustav

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

Hi Charlotte

And - some years later - you learned how to open a recordset and append
records, right?

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 07-08-2009 19:42 >>>
Also depends on what version of Access he's using.  But I've built
textfiles from Access in the past using nearly identical code to VB6.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 10:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

Thanks Gustav!

I didn't read the code myself - just saw that it could be done!  Maybe
he wrote this last Friday?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:08 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

Hi Dan

Interesting yes. This guy builds a simple text file by creating a temp
table, executing a dozen of SQL insert queries to create a record for
each line of text, and exporting the table to create the text file ... 
I nearly forgot - it is Friday.

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 07-08-2009 17:39 >>>
This is interesting!

http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/ftp_sms.htm 

Dan



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From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 13:31:18 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:31:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Message-ID: <7c7841600908071131g795712ecw9a8f5b0036148266@mail.gmail.com>

Gary,
> We have some constraints to keep in mind.
> 1) We are run by volunteers...
> 2) We don't have much available cash or income...
> I personally like the current method of distribution. I don't
> really care if our solutions show up on search engines or not.
> Just my opinion.

Your points are well taken.

But, as I see it, the unavoidable reality is that AccessD is in decline. The
good news is we have time to fix it. The bad news is, if we do nothing, the
decline will most likely continue.

Therein lies the rub: how can a volunteer organization with few resources
decide on a course of action and affect change?

I see three outcomes:
1. We make the changes to become relavent and vibrant
2. Database Advisors admits, at some point in time, that it cannot serve its
stated purpose, and shuts down
3. AccessD becomes essentially a bunch of geezers in rocking chairs on the
porch, reminiscing about the good old days

Option 3 is the path of least resistance. If it becomes a reality, then
AccessD will become impossible to moderate. It will serve a purely social
function for old friends, and have little or no technical value for anyone.

That's fine with me, but I wanted to forcefully point this out, so when we
have this same discussion a year from now, with even less quality,
participation and relevance in our mailing list, it will seem more like a
choice, and less like we just let it happen.

If someone else has alternate suggestions on how we can avoid option 3, I'd
like to hear them.

> G-mail's grouping messages by subject into threads works
> fabulously for list mail such as ours various lists.

I need to look into this, thanks for the tip.

-Ken


From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 13:33:26 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:33:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Experts Exchange WAS: Re: Moderator Message
Message-ID: <7c7841600908071133n65194c33t9e157b592b6e4870@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
> <<I presume they don't have a refund policy.>>
> That is correct ...

Purely caveat emptor. 'nuff said.

> I guess I just don't understand why everyone seems to have this
> fundamental belief that because it's on the Internet, it should
> be free to them.

You're confusing the issue. I'm not against commercial sites. No one here
is.

I'm saying Expert's Exchange is not worth anyone's money.

-Ken


From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 13:34:06 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:34:06 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a7c6af2.0707d00a.06a0.ffff931e@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>
	<8786a4c00908061315r67c3d6c5v3f0b52b2d6dd964e@mail.gmail.com>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B036FD7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
	<aea6c4950908070935n6cc5be3n7b575e3fab7b4907@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a7c6af2.0707d00a.06a0.ffff931e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950908071134x6f74ad4ds4d7111e4998252b2@mail.gmail.com>

Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database
Advisors as a corporate entity.

It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp

See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic. ?We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
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>



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug  7 13:59:55 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 14:59:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908071131g795712ecw9a8f5b0036148266@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908071131g795712ecw9a8f5b0036148266@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7C79AB.10506@colbyconsulting.com>

Are you calling me a geezer?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Kenneth Ismert wrote:
> Gary,
>> We have some constraints to keep in mind.
>> 1) We are run by volunteers...
>> 2) We don't have much available cash or income...
>> I personally like the current method of distribution. I don't
>> really care if our solutions show up on search engines or not.
>> Just my opinion.
> 
> Your points are well taken.
> 
> But, as I see it, the unavoidable reality is that AccessD is in decline. The
> good news is we have time to fix it. The bad news is, if we do nothing, the
> decline will most likely continue.
> 
> Therein lies the rub: how can a volunteer organization with few resources
> decide on a course of action and affect change?
> 
> I see three outcomes:
> 1. We make the changes to become relavent and vibrant
> 2. Database Advisors admits, at some point in time, that it cannot serve its
> stated purpose, and shuts down
> 3. AccessD becomes essentially a bunch of geezers in rocking chairs on the
> porch, reminiscing about the good old days
> 
> Option 3 is the path of least resistance. If it becomes a reality, then
> AccessD will become impossible to moderate. It will serve a purely social
> function for old friends, and have little or no technical value for anyone.
> 
> That's fine with me, but I wanted to forcefully point this out, so when we
> have this same discussion a year from now, with even less quality,
> participation and relevance in our mailing list, it will seem more like a
> choice, and less like we just let it happen.
> 
> If someone else has alternate suggestions on how we can avoid option 3, I'd
> like to hear them.
> 
>> G-mail's grouping messages by subject into threads works
>> fabulously for list mail such as ours various lists.
> 
> I need to look into this, thanks for the tip.
> 
> -Ken


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug  7 14:00:37 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:00:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Experts Exchange WAS: Re: Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908071133n65194c33t9e157b592b6e4870@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908071133n65194c33t9e157b592b6e4870@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7C79D5.1080504@colbyconsulting.com>

I'm saying it's not worth MY money.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Kenneth Ismert wrote:
> Jim,
>> <<I presume they don't have a refund policy.>>
>> That is correct ...
> 
> Purely caveat emptor. 'nuff said.
> 
>> I guess I just don't understand why everyone seems to have this
>> fundamental belief that because it's on the Internet, it should
>> be free to them.
> 
> You're confusing the issue. I'm not against commercial sites. No one here
> is.
> 
> I'm saying Expert's Exchange is not worth anyone's money.
> 
> -Ken


From paulrster at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 14:25:11 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:25:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Experts Exchange WAS: Re: Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908071133n65194c33t9e157b592b6e4870@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908071133n65194c33t9e157b592b6e4870@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908071225w45ce93f5u71f3a5e923d1fa42@mail.gmail.com>

Well spoken, Kenneth, and John, :) Your message is conveyed without too much
chance of a misunderstanding.

2009/8/7 Kenneth Ismert <kismert at gmail.com>

> Jim,
> > <<I presume they don't have a refund policy.>>
> > That is correct ...
>
> Purely caveat emptor. 'nuff said.
>
> > I guess I just don't understand why everyone seems to have this
> > fundamental belief that because it's on the Internet, it should
> > be free to them.
>
> You're confusing the issue. I'm not against commercial sites. No one here
> is.
>
> I'm saying Expert's Exchange is not worth anyone's money.
>
> -Ken
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Aug  7 14:47:09 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:47:09 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <7B86A6D6E15F4CC895771811A653891F@danwaters>
References: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>
	<7B86A6D6E15F4CC895771811A653891F@danwaters>
Message-ID: <C367E9A8B57B44B8961115509F477B45@stevePC>

Dan,

The intention of the overall article is to illustrate a summary example of 
the overall process and concept of:
- putting the data together in the required structure
- putting it out to a text file
- sending the file via FTP
- using a third party SMS provider

The data used in the illustration is, of course, a considerable 
simplification of what happens in the real scenario.  And the mechanics of 
the code to build the data set is not meant to be central or definitive.

Thanks.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:26 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

> Thanks Gustav!
>
> I didn't read the code myself - just saw that it could be done!  Maybe he
> wrote this last Friday?
>
 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 14:48:55 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:48:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>

Can I open a recordset just using a named query, or do I have to select *
from myquery? I can't remember.
TIA,
Arthur


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 14:51:42 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:51:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com><7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com><8786a4c00908061315r67c3d6c5v3f0b52b2d6dd964e@mail.gmail.com>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B036FD7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
Message-ID: <C149CCF36E364258ADC4FCA31C57D239@SusanOne>


I like the email format too.  But maybe the reason we aren't getting many 
newbies is because so many people are now used to blogs, twittering, etc. 
and don't really use email so much anymore.

========An editor recently asked me to rethink a comment I'd made about 
using listservs -- she asked if they were still really a valid resource. I 
told her "most definitely." So, yes, there is the perception that they've 
gone the way of the dinosaurs.

Susan H. 



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug  7 14:58:49 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 12:58:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB9E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

If you're doing this in code, you have to use Select * from myquery.  As
a datasource, you can use the named query.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Can I open a recordset just using a named query, or do I have to select
* from myquery? I can't remember.
TIA,
Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug  7 15:09:43 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 16:09:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB9E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB9E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>

In dao you can definitely just open the query (or table)

Dim db as dao.database
dim rst as dao.recordset

	set db = currentdb
	set rst = db.Open("MyQuery")

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> If you're doing this in code, you have to use Select * from myquery.  As
> a datasource, you can use the named query.
> 
> Charlotte Foust 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> 
> Can I open a recordset just using a named query, or do I have to select
> * from myquery? I can't remember.
> TIA,
> Arthur
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Aug  7 15:17:04 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:17:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB9E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Looks a touch like Air Code there.  Should be....

Dim db As dao.Database
Dim rs As dao.Recordset

    Set db = CurrentDb
    Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("MyQuery") 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:10 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

In dao you can definitely just open the query (or table)

Dim db as dao.database
dim rst as dao.recordset

	set db = currentdb
	set rst = db.Open("MyQuery")

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> If you're doing this in code, you have to use Select * from myquery.  
> As a datasource, you can use the named query.
> 
> Charlotte Foust
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> Fuller
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> 
> Can I open a recordset just using a named query, or do I have to 
> select
> * from myquery? I can't remember.
> TIA,
> Arthur
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 15:21:37 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:21:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950908071134x6f74ad4ds4d7111e4998252b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>	<8786a4c00908061315r67c3d6c5v3f0b52b2d6dd964e@mail.gmail.com>	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B036FD7@exchange.ptiorl.local>	<aea6c4950908070935n6cc5be3n7b575e3fab7b4907@mail.gmail.com>	<4a7c6af2.0707d00a.06a0.ffff931e@mx.google.com>
	<aea6c4950908071134x6f74ad4ds4d7111e4998252b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a7c8ce7.0a1ad00a.1ab4.ffffa156@mx.google.com>

Well, I actually meant it as a  joke, but thanks for the reference, I didn?t
realise that.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database
Advisors as a corporate entity.

It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp

See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic. ?We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>
> --
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>
>
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>



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 15:21:37 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:21:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7C79AB.10506@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908071131g795712ecw9a8f5b0036148266@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7C79AB.10506@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a7c8ce9.0a1ad00a.1ab4.ffffa15b@mx.google.com>

Bear in mind that in the UK a "Diamond Geezer" is a quality Gent!

Max
Aka Diamonds

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 07 August 2009 20:00
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Are you calling me a geezer?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Kenneth Ismert wrote:
> Gary,
>> We have some constraints to keep in mind.
>> 1) We are run by volunteers...
>> 2) We don't have much available cash or income...
>> I personally like the current method of distribution. I don't
>> really care if our solutions show up on search engines or not.
>> Just my opinion.
> 
> Your points are well taken.
> 
> But, as I see it, the unavoidable reality is that AccessD is in decline.
The
> good news is we have time to fix it. The bad news is, if we do nothing,
the
> decline will most likely continue.
> 
> Therein lies the rub: how can a volunteer organization with few resources
> decide on a course of action and affect change?
> 
> I see three outcomes:
> 1. We make the changes to become relavent and vibrant
> 2. Database Advisors admits, at some point in time, that it cannot serve
its
> stated purpose, and shuts down
> 3. AccessD becomes essentially a bunch of geezers in rocking chairs on the
> porch, reminiscing about the good old days
> 
> Option 3 is the path of least resistance. If it becomes a reality, then
> AccessD will become impossible to moderate. It will serve a purely social
> function for old friends, and have little or no technical value for
anyone.
> 
> That's fine with me, but I wanted to forcefully point this out, so when we
> have this same discussion a year from now, with even less quality,
> participation and relevance in our mailing list, it will seem more like a
> choice, and less like we just let it happen.
> 
> If someone else has alternate suggestions on how we can avoid option 3,
I'd
> like to hear them.
> 
>> G-mail's grouping messages by subject into threads works
>> fabulously for list mail such as ours various lists.
> 
> I need to look into this, thanks for the tip.
> 
> -Ken
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 15:39:33 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:39:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB9E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAB9E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908071339g5748eacahc9a6bf4c4309833f@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Charlotte

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Charlotte Foust
<cfoust at infostatsystems.com>wrote:

> If you're doing this in code, you have to use Select * from myquery.  As
> a datasource, you can use the named query.
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
>


From garykjos at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 16:03:43 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:03:43 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a7c8ce7.0a1ad00a.1ab4.ffffa156@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>
	<8786a4c00908061315r67c3d6c5v3f0b52b2d6dd964e@mail.gmail.com>
	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B036FD7@exchange.ptiorl.local>
	<aea6c4950908070935n6cc5be3n7b575e3fab7b4907@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a7c6af2.0707d00a.06a0.ffff931e@mx.google.com>
	<aea6c4950908071134x6f74ad4ds4d7111e4998252b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a7c8ce7.0a1ad00a.1ab4.ffffa156@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950908071403j2acbdab7mb370084dd7cf2fbd@mail.gmail.com>

We miss you over on OT list Max. You left there kind of abruptly. Hope
you weren't insulted or offended in some way. A reminder that nothing
is OT there, including Access or other Microsoft tecnical topics. We
get a number of Access threads there because several of the people in
the OT family are more comfortable asking their OT friends questions
than asking people they don't know as well oer on AccessD.

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I actually meant it as a ?joke, but thanks for the reference, I didn?t
> realise that.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database
> Advisors as a corporate entity.
>
> It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp
>
> See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Since When??
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>>
>> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
>> wrote:
>>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic. ?We're
>> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>>
>>> Perry Harold
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
>
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>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug  7 16:13:12 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:13:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Crossposted - Building a table dynamically - SQL Server
Message-ID: <4A7C98E8.3020204@colbyconsulting.com>

I need to build a table (tblOrderData) to permanently store all of the data from all of the fields 
for an order.  The table consists of two parts:

1) A PK and all of the name address fields.  This is fixed and never changes.
2) A dynamic part where the fields come from a query used to select the name / address data, and 
later to insert said data into this tblOrderData.  This part can be anywhere from 1 to N fields from 
about 600 possible criteria fields (the database from hell for those who have followed my past 
ramblings).

As a little background, I have a template database with all of the queries, tables and stored 
procedures required to build an order, and then I copy that template to an order name, run the order 
and end up with a permanent store of all the records that go into an order.  The permanent storage 
and database per order is non-negotiable, so please no "normalize it" suggestions.

This template has become overstuffed from trying this that and the other so I am rebuilding it, 
keeping just what is actually used.

So...

I have a stored procedure that builds the fields of the base tblOrderData.  Just because this is 
what occurred to me to do for this, I then take the fields of the selection view and subtract the 
fields from the base tblOrderData, and end up with a field list (and data type - mostly just 
varchar) for the fields that have to be added on to tblOrderData to store all of the data required 
to process an order.

This subtraction process uses the Information_Schema table to obtain the field name and data type 
for tblOrderData (the base table) and a specific view which is the actual view used to populate the 
table later on.  Outer join / not in and voila, just the names of the criteria fields.  I use that 
in a dynamic SQL statement to append fields to tblOrderData.

tblOrderData plus N various criteria fields makes new tblOrderData with every single field required 
to process the order.

I do this in a set of stored procedures.  The process requires (or at least I THINK it requires) 
creating a handful of views dynamically as well.  The process is more complex than I would like 
however, though it does "just work".

I am looking for suggestions for how to build this dynamic tblOrderData.  I do not use (not sure 
what they are called) temporary tables inside of stored procedures, but this certainly seems like a 
good place to do that.  Instead of dynamically creating views and using those views to create lists 
of fields, and using those lists of fields to append new fields to the base table, just use a single 
stored procedure and a handful of "temporary tables" to get the field list and append the new 
fields.  Of course I also have to dynamically build indexes over these fields as well...

So from this disjointed rambling, does anyone have any cogent suggestions re "a better way" to 
dynamically build a table with a base part (fields) and a changing part (fields).

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 16:22:57 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:22:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950908071403j2acbdab7mb370084dd7cf2fbd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908061154y12432e0ak521dbc855e4d6c78@mail.gmail.com>	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE3B4@sanex101.nciinc.com>	<8786a4c00908061315r67c3d6c5v3f0b52b2d6dd964e@mail.gmail.com>	<A13E55BC636DE945B76BEE728A33F47B036FD7@exchange.ptiorl.local>	<aea6c4950908070935n6cc5be3n7b575e3fab7b4907@mail.gmail.com>	<4a7c6af2.0707d00a.06a0.ffff931e@mx.google.com>	<aea6c4950908071134x6f74ad4ds4d7111e4998252b2@mail.gmail.com>	<4a7c8ce7.0a1ad00a.1ab4.ffffa156@mx.google.com>
	<aea6c4950908071403j2acbdab7mb370084dd7cf2fbd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a7c9b4e.0508d00a.407a.ffffb01e@mx.google.com>

Well, I might have to go back if you keep stopping us from chatting
here..LOL

I must admit there have been some news topics recently that I would have
loved to get comments on.

But, being a good teddy bear, I didn?t post them here - not even the one
about banning Nooses from verandahs haha.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:04
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

We miss you over on OT list Max. You left there kind of abruptly. Hope
you weren't insulted or offended in some way. A reminder that nothing
is OT there, including Access or other Microsoft tecnical topics. We
get a number of Access threads there because several of the people in
the OT family are more comfortable asking their OT friends questions
than asking people they don't know as well oer on AccessD.

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I actually meant it as a ?joke, but thanks for the reference, I
didn?t
> realise that.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database
> Advisors as a corporate entity.
>
> It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.
>
> http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp
>
> See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Since When??
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
>> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>>
>> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>>
>> GK
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
>> wrote:
>>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic.
?We're
>> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>>
>>> Perry Harold
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gary Kjos
>> garykjos at gmail.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>>
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
>
> --
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>
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From djkr at msn.com  Fri Aug  7 16:41:15 2009
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:41:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <aea6c4950908071134x6f74ad4ds4d7111e4998252b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV4FDEF8489C2CA54F428D7D20B0@phx.gbl>

And that was on the lyris welcome message on 20 June 2000, when I signed up:

"Welcome to the AccessDevelopers.Org Discussion List ... 

The purpose of this list is to provide an open forum for the posting and 
discussion of news and information relating to developing applications in
Microsoft Access. That means that ANYTHING Access related is fair game.

We try to maintain a light, family oriented environment and recognize that
humor and banter are part and parcel. However please restrict posting of 
jokes (topical, non-offensive only) to Fridays and clearly mark them as 
OT/Humor."

Only in the meanwhile the spelling of Humor has got anglicised...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database Advisors as a
corporate entity.

It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp

See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L 
> Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic. ?
>> We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 16:48:37 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:48:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV4FDEF8489C2CA54F428D7D20B0@phx.gbl>
References: <aea6c4950908071134x6f74ad4ds4d7111e4998252b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU103-DAV4FDEF8489C2CA54F428D7D20B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4a7ca155.0a04d00a.067d.ffffd2c2@mx.google.com>

Ahem!  I think you meant "..and the spelling was corrected"

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

And that was on the lyris welcome message on 20 June 2000, when I signed up:

"Welcome to the AccessDevelopers.Org Discussion List ... 

The purpose of this list is to provide an open forum for the posting and 
discussion of news and information relating to developing applications in
Microsoft Access. That means that ANYTHING Access related is fair game.

We try to maintain a light, family oriented environment and recognize that
humor and banter are part and parcel. However please restrict posting of 
jokes (topical, non-offensive only) to Fridays and clearly mark them as 
OT/Humor."

Only in the meanwhile the spelling of Humor has got anglicised...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database Advisors as a
corporate entity.

It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp

See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L 
> Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic. ?
>> We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
> --
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> garykjos at gmail.com
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  7 16:59:52 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:59:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4A7CA3D8.899.461399C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

"This Guy"? Didn't anyone read the name at the end of the article/

"Steve Schapel" - one of our own.

And based on his sample data, he's a Kiwi too - I never knew that.

-- 
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On 7 Aug 2009 at 19:08, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Dan
> 
> Interesting yes. This guy builds a simple text file by creating a temp table, executing a dozen of SQL insert queries to create a record for each line of text, and exporting the table to create the text file ... 
> I nearly forgot - it is Friday.
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
> >>> dwaters at usinternet.com 07-08-2009 17:39 >>>
> This is interesting!
> 
> http://accesstips.datamanagementsolutions.biz/ftp_sms.htm 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
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From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 17:11:48 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 17:11:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
Message-ID: <7c7841600908071511w7b246d2akf34f29a7aa7afbb6@mail.gmail.com>

John Colby:
> Are you calling me a geezer?
> ;)

When I finish rubbing in my liniment, and chasing those darn kids off my
lawn, yes, I will call you a geezer ;)


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  7 17:12:45 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:12:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.

I just use:
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")


On 7 Aug 2009 at 16:17, Heenan, Lambert wrote:

> Looks a touch like Air Code there.  Should be....
> 
> Dim db As dao.Database
> Dim rs As dao.Recordset
> 
>     Set db = CurrentDb
>     Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("MyQuery") 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> 
> In dao you can definitely just open the query (or table)
> 
> Dim db as dao.database
> dim rst as dao.recordset
> 
> 	set db = currentdb
> 	set rst = db.Open("MyQuery")
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > If you're doing this in code, you have to use Select * from myquery.  
> > As a datasource, you can use the named query.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> > Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> > 
> > Can I open a recordset just using a named query, or do I have to 
> > select
> > * from myquery? I can't remember.
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug  7 17:33:44 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 18:33:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>

Unfortunately that doesn't always work.  If RS loses scope the value of RS "goes away".  Inside of 
the same function this will always work, but if you try to pass the recordset off to another 
function, or a field off to another function, then things fail to work as you expect.

I had enough run-ins with this that I decided just to bite the bullet and do the dim db statement as 
a matter of habit.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.
> 
> I just use:
> Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
> Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")
> 
> 



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug  7 17:43:20 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 00:43:20 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
Message-ID: <sa7cca46.012@cactus.dk>

Hi Steve

My apologies. No one here deserves to be mentioned in third person. I didn't read the name of the author, and even when I did now, I didn't know at first it was you because my mailer only displays miscellany at mvps.org as the sender of your messages and, as I was convinced mvps presented themselves by real names, I have always believed your name to be Steve Miscellany. Well, laugh, but these days people can have the strangest names.

But - speaking freely - after a real life experience rewriting code with endless series of db.Execute and SQL commands for everything written by a hardcore VB programmer obviously not aware of the power of DAO (and thus missing a 20 fold or so speed increase), I've since then used this coding style to separate VB programmers from real Access programmers who are raised with DAO (or ADO).

The strange thing with your example is that I've always thought that VB programmers - contrary to Access programmers - were quite familiar with writing text files directly which, in this case, probably would be even faster than writing DAO. Can't tell as I didn't study the code that closely. 

Susan and editors have learned me to keep example code simple and free of "smartness". Still, I think you always should try to educate the reader that there is code and optimized code, and sometimes the optimized code is only a small step away.

/gustav


>>> miscellany at mvps.org 07-08-2009 21:47 >>>
Dan,

The intention of the overall article is to illustrate a summary example of 
the overall process and concept of:
- putting the data together in the required structure
- putting it out to a text file
- sending the file via FTP
- using a third party SMS provider

The data used in the illustration is, of course, a considerable 
simplification of what happens in the real scenario.  And the mechanics of 
the code to build the data set is not meant to be central or definitive.

Thanks.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dan Waters" <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 5:26 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

> Thanks Gustav!
>
> I didn't read the code myself - just saw that it could be done!  Maybe he
> wrote this last Friday?





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 17:43:20 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:43:20 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a7cae2d.0707d00a.4c48.ffffd794@mx.google.com>

IMO one should always dim the DB object.

I believe that the methods are *slightly* different when used directly from
CurrentDB. As opposed to from the dimensioned db.

As an example:
If you do a currentdb.execute("Delete * xyz) you will not get an error
message

But you will if it has been dimmed.

Am I right?  Might be a bit confused..getting late and on my second
half-pint of the week.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 07 August 2009 23:13
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.

I just use:
Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")


On 7 Aug 2009 at 16:17, Heenan, Lambert wrote:

> Looks a touch like Air Code there.  Should be....
> 
> Dim db As dao.Database
> Dim rs As dao.Recordset
> 
>     Set db = CurrentDb
>     Set rs = db.OpenRecordset("MyQuery") 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:10 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> 
> In dao you can definitely just open the query (or table)
> 
> Dim db as dao.database
> dim rst as dao.recordset
> 
> 	set db = currentdb
> 	set rst = db.Open("MyQuery")
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > If you're doing this in code, you have to use Select * from myquery.  
> > As a datasource, you can use the named query.
> > 
> > Charlotte Foust
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur 
> > Fuller
> > Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:49 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> > 
> > Can I open a recordset just using a named query, or do I have to 
> > select
> > * from myquery? I can't remember.
> > TIA,
> > Arthur
> > --
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 17:44:34 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:44:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a7cae77.0a04d00a.07ea.ffffdaa7@mx.google.com>

Spot on!

I have experienced this.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 07 August 2009 23:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Unfortunately that doesn't always work.  If RS loses scope the value of RS
"goes away".  Inside of 
the same function this will always work, but if you try to pass the
recordset off to another 
function, or a field off to another function, then things fail to work as
you expect.

I had enough run-ins with this that I decided just to bite the bullet and do
the dim db statement as 
a matter of habit.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.
> 
> I just use:
> Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
> Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")
> 
> 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  7 17:44:29 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:44:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A7CAE4D.30938.48A12EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

In 16 years of continuously developing complex Access applications, I've never had the 
need to pass a recordset or a field between functions - but thanks for the tip. I'll bear it in 
mind if I ever do come across the need.

(Guess it's because I don't use classes much <g>)

-- 
Stuart




On 7 Aug 2009 at 18:33, jwcolby wrote:

> Unfortunately that doesn't always work.  If RS loses scope the value of RS "goes away".  Inside of 
> the same function this will always work, but if you try to pass the recordset off to another 
> function, or a field off to another function, then things fail to work as you expect.
> 
> I had enough run-ins with this that I decided just to bite the bullet and do the dim db statement as 
> a matter of habit.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.
> > 
> > I just use:
> > Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
> > Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")
> > 
> > 
> 
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 17:59:07 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:59:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4a7cae2d.0707d00a.4c48.ffffd794@mx.google.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4a7cae2d.0707d00a.4c48.ffffd794@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908071559t10c0c5cckb9d92cc143c25bc0@mail.gmail.com>

I discovered this when I found that

Set tdf = Currentdb.Tabledefs("myTableDef")

 doesn't work, but

dim myDB as Database
set tdf = myDB.Tabledefs("myTableDef")

does work

Doug Steele

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> IMO one should always dim the DB object.
>
> I believe that the methods are *slightly* different when used directly from
> CurrentDB. As opposed to from the dimensioned db.
>
> As an example:
> If you do a currentdb.execute("Delete * xyz) you will not get an error
> message
>
> But you will if it has been dimmed.
>
> Am I right?  Might be a bit confused..getting late and on my second
> half-pint of the week.
>
>


From djkr at msn.com  Fri Aug  7 18:43:09 2009
From: djkr at msn.com (DJK(John) Robinson)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:43:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a7ca155.0a04d00a.067d.ffffd2c2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-DAV59235BA48740C3C0930DFD20B0@phx.gbl>

No, it's the UK English spelling that has changed from the Latin.  :-)

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Ahem!  I think you meant "..and the spelling was corrected"

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

And that was on the lyris welcome message on 20 June 2000, when I signed up:

"Welcome to the AccessDevelopers.Org Discussion List ... 

The purpose of this list is to provide an open forum for the posting and 
discussion of news and information relating to developing applications in
Microsoft Access. That means that ANYTHING Access related is fair game.

We try to maintain a light, family oriented environment and recognize that
humor and banter are part and parcel. However please restrict posting of 
jokes (topical, non-offensive only) to Fridays and clearly mark them as 
OT/Humor."

Only in the meanwhile the spelling of Humor has got anglicised...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database Advisors as a
corporate entity.

It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp

See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L
> Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic.
>> We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
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>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Aug  7 18:46:23 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:46:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net><4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <8C5095FF911441ECB286646942BEEB16@HAL9005>

That answers my next question...

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Unfortunately that doesn't always work.  If RS loses scope the value of RS
"goes away".  Inside of the same function this will always work, but if you
try to pass the recordset off to another function, or a field off to another
function, then things fail to work as you expect.

I had enough run-ins with this that I decided just to bite the bullet and do
the dim db statement as a matter of habit.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.
> 
> I just use:
> Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
> Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")
> 
> 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  7 19:21:30 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 10:21:30 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908071559t10c0c5cckb9d92cc143c25bc0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a7cae2d.0707d00a.4c48.ffffd794@mx.google.com>,
	<4dd71a0c0908071559t10c0c5cckb9d92cc143c25bc0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Tha's strange,  I use this sort of relinking code in just about every system I write and it's 
never caused a problem. 


Dim tbl as TableDef
...
   For Each tbl In CurrentDb.TableDefs
         If Left$(tbl.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then renewlink _
              tbl.Name, CurrentProject.Path & strBEName"
   Next
...
Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String) As Long
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, _
acTable, tablename, tablename, False
End Function


-- 
Stuart

On 7 Aug 2009 at 15:59, Doug Steele wrote:

> I discovered this when I found that
> 
> Set tdf = Currentdb.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> 
>  doesn't work, but
> 
> dim myDB as Database
> set tdf = myDB.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> 
> does work
> 
> Doug Steele
> 
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > IMO one should always dim the DB object.
> >
> > I believe that the methods are *slightly* different when used directly from
> > CurrentDB. As opposed to from the dimensioned db.
> >
> > As an example:
> > If you do a currentdb.execute("Delete * xyz) you will not get an error
> > message
> >
> > But you will if it has been dimmed.
> >
> > Am I right?  Might be a bit confused..getting late and on my second
> > half-pint of the week.
> >
> >
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Aug  7 19:56:22 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:56:22 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <4A7CA3D8.899.461399C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>
	<4A7CA3D8.899.461399C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <01FCD91BC18D4E888CAC4EF5E3AD1EA4@stevePC>

Many thanks, Stuart.

Australian originally, but now resident in New Zealand for many years.

The sample data relates to my application http://www.sportsrunner.biz/

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:59 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

> "This Guy"? Didn't anyone read the name at the end of the article/
>
> "Steve Schapel" - one of our own.
>
> And based on his sample data, he's a Kiwi too - I never knew that.
>
 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  7 20:32:49 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:32:49 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] [dba-SQLServer] Crossposted - Building a table
	dynamically - SQL Server
In-Reply-To: <4A7C98E8.3020204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A7C98E8.3020204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A7CD5C1.12868.5242F25@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

As I see it, you only need two SQL queries - a "Create Table" which inserts the relevant 
fields and indexes and an "Insert Into... From Select(.......)" to populate the table.

The key is selecting field names and maniplating strings to build the SQL.  So you need a 
tool which is good at both of these.  Access would work well because of it's multilselect 
listbox and  VBA's string handling - so I am cross-posting this back to AccessD. :-)

Create an Access database with a link to your main data table in SQL Server.
Start off with a Form containing a multiselect list

Fill the listbox with all the fields from your master database with something like

Function GetFields()
Dim db As Database
Dim tbl As TableDef
Dim fd As Field
Set db = CurrentDb
Set tbl = db.TableDefs("dbo_tblMasterData")
For Each fd In tbl.Fields
    lstFields.Add fd.Name
Next
End Function

Select the fields you want for youe new tblOrderData.

Write a function which loops through the selected items and builds an SQL "create table" 
string to create the table with the appropriate fields and indexes and an "insert into" string to 
populate the table.  You can make these dynamic queries or "Create Procedure" queries.  
Export the strings to .qry files and then run them in SQL Server Management Studio.

(Personally, I'd use PB/WIN and SQL Tools - that way I could do it all in one small .exe file 
including runnning the "Create Table" and cross database "Insert Into" queries without 
needing export the strings to file and importing them into SQL Server management Studio)

-- 
Stuart


On 7 Aug 2009 at 17:13, jwcolby wrote:

> I need to build a table (tblOrderData) to permanently store all of the data from all of the fields 
> for an order.  The table consists of two parts:
> 
> 1) A PK and all of the name address fields.  This is fixed and never changes.
> 2) A dynamic part where the fields come from a query used to select the name / address data, and 
> later to insert said data into this tblOrderData.  This part can be anywhere from 1 to N fields from 
> about 600 possible criteria fields (the database from hell for those who have followed my past 
> ramblings).
> 
> As a little background, I have a template database with all of the queries, tables and stored 
> procedures required to build an order, and then I copy that template to an order name, run the order 
> and end up with a permanent store of all the records that go into an order.  The permanent storage 
> and database per order is non-negotiable, so please no "normalize it" suggestions.
> 
> This template has become overstuffed from trying this that and the other so I am rebuilding it, 
> keeping just what is actually used.
> 
> So...
> 
> I have a stored procedure that builds the fields of the base tblOrderData.  Just because this is 
> what occurred to me to do for this, I then take the fields of the selection view and subtract the 
> fields from the base tblOrderData, and end up with a field list (and data type - mostly just 
> varchar) for the fields that have to be added on to tblOrderData to store all of the data required 
> to process an order.
> 
> This subtraction process uses the Information_Schema table to obtain the field name and data type 
> for tblOrderData (the base table) and a specific view which is the actual view used to populate the 
> table later on.  Outer join / not in and voila, just the names of the criteria fields.  I use that 
> in a dynamic SQL statement to append fields to tblOrderData.
> 
> tblOrderData plus N various criteria fields makes new tblOrderData with every single field required 
> to process the order.
> 
> I do this in a set of stored procedures.  The process requires (or at least I THINK it requires) 
> creating a handful of views dynamically as well.  The process is more complex than I would like 
> however, though it does "just work".
> 
> I am looking for suggestions for how to build this dynamic tblOrderData.  I do not use (not sure 
> what they are called) temporary tables inside of stored procedures, but this certainly seems like a 
> good place to do that.  Instead of dynamically creating views and using those views to create lists 
> of fields, and using those lists of fields to append new fields to the base table, just use a single 
> stored procedure and a handful of "temporary tables" to get the field list and append the new 
> fields.  Of course I also have to dynamically build indexes over these fields as well...
> 
> So from this disjointed rambling, does anyone have any cogent suggestions re "a better way" to 
> dynamically build a table with a base part (fields) and a changing part (fields).
> 
> -- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug  7 20:35:51 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 11:35:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <01FCD91BC18D4E888CAC4EF5E3AD1EA4@stevePC>
References: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>,
	<4A7CA3D8.899.461399C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<01FCD91BC18D4E888CAC4EF5E3AD1EA4@stevePC>
Message-ID: <4A7CD677.853.526F7D0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That's not good.  You do realise that every time an Aussie moves to NZ, the average IQ in 
both countries drops!!!

Cheers,
Stuart
(ex-pat Kiwi for many years)

On 8 Aug 2009 at 12:56, Steve Schapel wrote:

> Many thanks, Stuart.
> 
> Australian originally, but now resident in New Zealand for many years.
> 
> The sample data relates to my application http://www.sportsrunner.biz/
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:59 AM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
> 
> > "This Guy"? Didn't anyone read the name at the end of the article/
> >
> > "Steve Schapel" - one of our own.
> >
> > And based on his sample data, he's a Kiwi too - I never knew that.
> >
>  
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Aug  7 20:38:48 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:38:48 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <sa7cca46.012@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7cca46.012@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <ACE4747D479F4F1EA7D23D5B2F889847@stevePC>

Thanks for your comments, Gustav.

Funny that you don't see my sender name in your mail client.

No, I am not a VB man.  And yes, I know how to write text files directly.

Having said that, I freely admit that in this particular context, I really 
do use code along the lines of that shown.

In fact, I have a personal preference for using a lot of db.Execute strSQL 
in my code, where others might do otherwise.  I just find it easy to work 
with, and that's my main reason.  As far as I am aware, from a performance 
point of view (in the case of appends, updates, and deletes), this is more 
efficient than looping through recordsets - but then I have never really 
worried about a few milliseconds between friends.

However, in this example, most (though significantly not all) of the appends 
are only adding one row, so I admit that this seems awkward.

In Wellington, where I live, it can sometimes rain on Saturdays during the 
winter.  Stuart will testify that this is a very unusual occurence.  But 
when it does happen, the users are often sending hundreds of text messages 
with one click, and in practice they go in the blink of an eye, so I'm happy 
with that.

Nevertheless, you have prompted me to think about it again, and I certainly 
see your point that there may be neater options.

Thanks.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:43 AM
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

> Hi Steve
>
> My apologies. No one here deserves to be mentioned in third person. I 
> didn't read the name of the author, and even when I did now, I didn't know 
> at first it was you because my mailer only displays miscellany at mvps.org as 
> the sender of your messages and, as I was convinced mvps presented 
> themselves by real names, I have always believed your name to be Steve 
> Miscellany. Well, laugh, but these days people can have the strangest 
> names.
>
> But - speaking freely - after a real life experience rewriting code with 
> endless series of db.Execute and SQL commands for everything written by a 
> hardcore VB programmer obviously not aware of the power of DAO (and thus 
> missing a 20 fold or so speed increase), I've since then used this coding 
> style to separate VB programmers from real Access programmers who are 
> raised with DAO (or ADO).
>
> The strange thing with your example is that I've always thought that VB 
> programmers - contrary to Access programmers - were quite familiar with 
> writing text files directly which, in this case, probably would be even 
> faster than writing DAO. Can't tell as I didn't study the code that 
> closely.
>
> Susan and editors have learned me to keep example code simple and free of 
> "smartness". Still, I think you always should try to educate the reader 
> that there is code and optimized code, and sometimes the optimized code is 
> only a small step away.
>
 



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 23:17:35 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:17:35 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a7cae2d.0707d00a.4c48.ffffd794@mx.google.com>
	<4dd71a0c0908071559t10c0c5cckb9d92cc143c25bc0@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting...this is in my standard relinking code as well.

I just double checked to make sure I wasn't making a mistake before I posted
the message.  Access 2003, and the following code:

dim tdf as TableDef
Set tdf = Currentdb.TableDefs(nextTable) 'where nextTable contains a valid
table name
msgbox tdf.name

the msgbox statement errors on 'object invalid or no longer set'.  If I
don't use Currentdb but a dimmed db variable, it works correctly.

Am I using the 'set' incorrectly?  But if I leave that out, I get a compiler
message 'Invalid use of property'.

Doug Steele


On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Tha's strange,  I use this sort of relinking code in just about every
> system I write and it's
> never caused a problem.
>
>
> Dim tbl as TableDef
> ...
>   For Each tbl In CurrentDb.TableDefs
>         If Left$(tbl.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then renewlink _
>              tbl.Name, CurrentProject.Path & strBEName"
>   Next
> ...
> Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String) As Long
> DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, _
> acTable, tablename, tablename, False
> End Function
>
>
> --
> Stuart
>
> On 7 Aug 2009 at 15:59, Doug Steele wrote:
>
> > I discovered this when I found that
> >
> > Set tdf = Currentdb.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> >
> >  doesn't work, but
> >
> > dim myDB as Database
> > set tdf = myDB.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> >
> > does work
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  8 00:02:00 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:02:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D06C8.15688.5E3B172@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, that errors for me as well, but this doesn't:

Function test()
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
  MsgBox tdf.Name
Next
End Function

I'll have to look into this some more.

-- 
Stuart


On 7 Aug 2009 at 21:17, Doug Steele wrote:

> Interesting...this is in my standard relinking code as well.
> 
> I just double checked to make sure I wasn't making a mistake before I posted
> the message.  Access 2003, and the following code:
> 
> dim tdf as TableDef
> Set tdf = Currentdb.TableDefs(nextTable) 'where nextTable contains a valid
> table name
> msgbox tdf.name
> 
> the msgbox statement errors on 'object invalid or no longer set'.  If I
> don't use Currentdb but a dimmed db variable, it works correctly.
> 
> Am I using the 'set' incorrectly?  But if I leave that out, I get a compiler
> message 'Invalid use of property'.
> 
> Doug Steele
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > Tha's strange,  I use this sort of relinking code in just about every
> > system I write and it's
> > never caused a problem.
> >
> >
> > Dim tbl as TableDef
> > ...
> >   For Each tbl In CurrentDb.TableDefs
> >         If Left$(tbl.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then renewlink _
> >              tbl.Name, CurrentProject.Path & strBEName"
> >   Next
> > ...
> > Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String) As Long
> > DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
> > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, _
> > acTable, tablename, tablename, False
> > End Function
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 7 Aug 2009 at 15:59, Doug Steele wrote:
> >
> > > I discovered this when I found that
> > >
> > > Set tdf = Currentdb.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> > >
> > >  doesn't work, but
> > >
> > > dim myDB as Database
> > > set tdf = myDB.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> > >
> > > does work
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  8 00:45:51 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:45:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D110F.18404.60BDA28@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Turns out it is all about the way MS implement CurrentDB.  It is not persistent.
Every time it is called it creates a clone of the current DBEngine with  a complete refresh of 
it's collections. As soon as the direct reference to it expires, it *automatically* drops out of 
scope.

That's why you can use it in  "For Each..." loop or a  "With...." block - it stays in scope until 
the end of the loop/block.  

But in this case, it is automatically dropped straight after the Set line so tdf no longer has a 
parent.  You can only persist it by assigning it to an object variable.


-- 
Stuart

On 7 Aug 2009 at 21:17, Doug Steele wrote:

> Interesting...this is in my standard relinking code as well.
> 
> I just double checked to make sure I wasn't making a mistake before I posted
> the message.  Access 2003, and the following code:
> 
> dim tdf as TableDef
> Set tdf = Currentdb.TableDefs(nextTable) 'where nextTable contains a valid
> table name
> msgbox tdf.name
> 
> the msgbox statement errors on 'object invalid or no longer set'.  If I
> don't use Currentdb but a dimmed db variable, it works correctly.
> 
> Am I using the 'set' incorrectly?  But if I leave that out, I get a compiler
> message 'Invalid use of property'.
> 
> Doug Steele
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > Tha's strange,  I use this sort of relinking code in just about every
> > system I write and it's
> > never caused a problem.
> >
> >
> > Dim tbl as TableDef
> > ...
> >   For Each tbl In CurrentDb.TableDefs
> >         If Left$(tbl.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then renewlink _
> >              tbl.Name, CurrentProject.Path & strBEName"
> >   Next
> > ...
> > Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String) As Long
> > DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
> > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, _
> > acTable, tablename, tablename, False
> > End Function
> >
> >
> > --
> > Stuart
> >
> > On 7 Aug 2009 at 15:59, Doug Steele wrote:
> >
> > > I discovered this when I found that
> > >
> > > Set tdf = Currentdb.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> > >
> > >  doesn't work, but
> > >
> > > dim myDB as Database
> > > set tdf = myDB.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> > >
> > > does work
> >
> -- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  8 01:05:16 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:05:16 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7D110F.18404.60BDA28@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7D110F.18404.60BDA28@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A7D159C.27079.61DA034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Further:  

CurrentDB is not an object!
It is a *method*  which returns the clone Database object.

Which would explain why it can't persist once the reference to it is over.

-- 
Stuart


On 8 Aug 2009 at 15:45, Stuart McLachlan wrote:

> Turns out it is all about the way MS implement CurrentDB.  It is not persistent.
> Every time it is called it creates a clone of the current DBEngine with  a complete refresh of 
> it's collections. As soon as the direct reference to it expires, it *automatically* drops out of 
> scope.
> 
> That's why you can use it in  "For Each..." loop or a  "With...." block - it stays in scope until 
> the end of the loop/block.  
> 
> But in this case, it is automatically dropped straight after the Set line so tdf no longer has a 
> parent.  You can only persist it by assigning it to an object variable.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 7 Aug 2009 at 21:17, Doug Steele wrote:
> 
> > Interesting...this is in my standard relinking code as well.
> > 
> > I just double checked to make sure I wasn't making a mistake before I posted
> > the message.  Access 2003, and the following code:
> > 
> > dim tdf as TableDef
> > Set tdf = Currentdb.TableDefs(nextTable) 'where nextTable contains a valid
> > table name
> > msgbox tdf.name
> > 
> > the msgbox statement errors on 'object invalid or no longer set'.  If I
> > don't use Currentdb but a dimmed db variable, it works correctly.
> > 
> > Am I using the 'set' incorrectly?  But if I leave that out, I get a compiler
> > message 'Invalid use of property'.
> > 
> > Doug Steele
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> > 
> > > Tha's strange,  I use this sort of relinking code in just about every
> > > system I write and it's
> > > never caused a problem.
> > >
> > >
> > > Dim tbl as TableDef
> > > ...
> > >   For Each tbl In CurrentDb.TableDefs
> > >         If Left$(tbl.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then renewlink _
> > >              tbl.Name, CurrentProject.Path & strBEName"
> > >   Next
> > > ...
> > > Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String) As Long
> > > DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
> > > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, _
> > > acTable, tablename, tablename, False
> > > End Function
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On 7 Aug 2009 at 15:59, Doug Steele wrote:
> > >
> > > > I discovered this when I found that
> > > >
> > > > Set tdf = Currentdb.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> > > >
> > > >  doesn't work, but
> > > >
> > > > dim myDB as Database
> > > > set tdf = myDB.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
> > > >
> > > > does work
> > >
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 03:18:05 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:18:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7CAE4D.30938.48A12EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A7CAE4D.30938.48A12EB@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a7d34d5.0a1ad00a.1a07.ffffa677@mx.google.com>

Hello Stuart,

Well, I guess it goes to show that people attack/approach tasks in many
different ways.
I frequently pass recordsets to functions.  

For Example, I have a function which sends out emails,  the data source
comes from a filtered recordset that the user is working on/changing all the
time.  When the user is happy, they press the Send Emails button, the
function is called with the recordset as the parameter.  Regardless of where
the recordset is derived (the above is just one example), the function does
the same thing and can be akin to a Class without any of the class overheads
(ahem!). It is, of course, what public function are there to do.

Example:
Public function pfSendEmails(rst as dao.recordset) as Boolean.
With rst
Code
End with
End function

That  is just one example. There are many others where I pass, typically,
recordsets but could be queries (as recordsets) to a function/sub.

AND, I hardly ever us Classes - purely because I believe they are an extra
overhead to set up a class which is there unnecessarily.  But that is
another topic which has been beaten to death!!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 07 August 2009 23:44
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

In 16 years of continuously developing complex Access applications, I've
never had the 
need to pass a recordset or a field between functions - but thanks for the
tip. I'll bear it in 
mind if I ever do come across the need.

(Guess it's because I don't use classes much <g>)

-- 
Stuart




On 7 Aug 2009 at 18:33, jwcolby wrote:

> Unfortunately that doesn't always work.  If RS loses scope the value of RS
"goes away".  Inside of 
> the same function this will always work, but if you try to pass the
recordset off to another 
> function, or a field off to another function, then things fail to work as
you expect.
> 
> I had enough run-ins with this that I decided just to bite the bullet and
do the dim db statement as 
> a matter of habit.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.
> > 
> > I just use:
> > Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
> > Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")
> > 
> > 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 03:38:47 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:38:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <4A7CD677.853.526F7D0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>,
	<4A7CA3D8.899.461399C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<01FCD91BC18D4E888CAC4EF5E3AD1EA4@stevePC>
	<4A7CD677.853.526F7D0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a7d39b1.1818d00a.33a4.ffffdc0a@mx.google.com>

That is why Brits have to keep emigrating to Oz and Kiwi, to keep the
standards up.

The gene pool needs topping up every decade or so.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 08 August 2009 02:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

That's not good.  You do realise that every time an Aussie moves to NZ, the
average IQ in 
both countries drops!!!

Cheers,
Stuart
(ex-pat Kiwi for many years)

On 8 Aug 2009 at 12:56, Steve Schapel wrote:

> Many thanks, Stuart.
> 
> Australian originally, but now resident in New Zealand for many years.
> 
> The sample data relates to my application http://www.sportsrunner.biz/
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:59 AM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
> 
> > "This Guy"? Didn't anyone read the name at the end of the article/
> >
> > "Steve Schapel" - one of our own.
> >
> > And based on his sample data, he's a Kiwi too - I never knew that.
> >
>  
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 03:43:55 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:43:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <8C5095FF911441ECB286646942BEEB16@HAL9005>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net><4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>
	<8C5095FF911441ECB286646942BEEB16@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4a7d3ae9.1818d00a.766d.ffff9ed7@mx.google.com>

Hang on....looks into crystal ball....Rocky's next question....ummm..oh, yes
there it is.

Glad that is answered then!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 08 August 2009 00:46
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

That answers my next question...

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:34 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Unfortunately that doesn't always work.  If RS loses scope the value of RS
"goes away".  Inside of the same function this will always work, but if you
try to pass the recordset off to another function, or a field off to another
function, then things fail to work as you expect.

I had enough run-ins with this that I decided just to bite the bullet and do
the dim db statement as a matter of habit.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.
> 
> I just use:
> Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
> Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")
> 
> 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 03:49:10 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:49:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-DAV59235BA48740C3C0930DFD20B0@phx.gbl>
References: <4a7ca155.0a04d00a.067d.ffffd2c2@mx.google.com>
	<BLU103-DAV59235BA48740C3C0930DFD20B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4a7d3c20.0506d00a.1af5.ffffa11d@mx.google.com>

Oh Sorry, John.

Can you point out the other latin paragraphs on the website - I must have
missed  them.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 08 August 2009 00:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

No, it's the UK English spelling that has changed from the Latin.  :-)

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Ahem!  I think you meant "..and the spelling was corrected"

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

And that was on the lyris welcome message on 20 June 2000, when I signed up:

"Welcome to the AccessDevelopers.Org Discussion List ... 

The purpose of this list is to provide an open forum for the posting and 
discussion of news and information relating to developing applications in
Microsoft Access. That means that ANYTHING Access related is fair game.

We try to maintain a light, family oriented environment and recognize that
humor and banter are part and parcel. However please restrict posting of 
jokes (topical, non-offensive only) to Fridays and clearly mark them as 
OT/Humor."

Only in the meanwhile the spelling of Humor has got anglicised...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database Advisors as a
corporate entity.

It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp

See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L
> Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic.
>> We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  8 03:52:36 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:52:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4a7d3ae9.1818d00a.766d.ffff9ed7@mx.google.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<8C5095FF911441ECB286646942BEEB16@HAL9005>,
	<4a7d3ae9.1818d00a.766d.ffff9ed7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D3CD4.8386.6B6D220@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'm just waiting for the next time he posts a question so that I can refer him back to this 
thread :-)

On 8 Aug 2009 at 9:43, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Hang on....looks into crystal ball....Rocky's next question....ummm..oh, yes
> there it is.
> 
> Glad that is answered then!
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: 08 August 2009 00:46
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> 
> That answers my next question...
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> 
> Unfortunately that doesn't always work.  If RS loses scope the value of RS
> "goes away".  Inside of the same function this will always work, but if you
> try to pass the recordset off to another function, or a field off to another
> function, then things fail to work as you expect.
> 
> I had enough run-ins with this that I decided just to bite the bullet and do
> the dim db statement as a matter of habit.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> > As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.
> > 
> > I just use:
> > Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
> > Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")
> > 
> > 
> 
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From adtp at airtelmail.in  Sat Aug  8 04:16:52 2009
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:46:52 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7D06C8.15688.5E3B172@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <008f01ca1809$6ac5a330$715ea27a@personald6374f>

Use of CurrentDb and DbEngine(0)(0)
(Opening of recordsets, tabledefs, querydefs)
==============================

    It is observed that tabledef object created directly via CurrentDb as per following sample statement, is not persistent. Any attempt at its use in subsequent statements, or passing as an argument to external functions, attracts error 3420 (Object invalid or no longer set):

    Set tdf = CurrentDb.TableDefs("MyTable")    ' (A)

    However, if an object variable (say db) is first set to CurrentDb and that variable (db) is used in lieu of CurentDb in the above statement, there is no error.

    Interestingly, directly opened tabledef object can be passed as an argument to external function in following style, without attracting any error:

    Debug.Print MyFunction(CurrentDb.TableDefs("MyTable"))    ' (B)

    However, any attempt to use such a style in a With / End With block as shown below, will attract error 3420:

'============================        ' (C)
    With CurrentDb.TableDefs("MyTable")
        Debug.Print .Fields.Count        ' Error 3420
        Debug.Print .Fields(0).Name    ' Error 3420
    End With
'============================

    It is noticed that recordset and querydef objects do not suffer from above limitations. These are persistent whether created directly via CurrentDb as per (A) above or via db where db is an object pointer to CurrentDb. Of course these can also be passed directly as an argument to external function in a manner similar to statement (B) above. Moreover, there is no error on adoption of With / End With construct similar to (C) above.

    Even with tabledef object, if DbEngine(0)(0) is used in lieu of CurrentDb, it becomes persistent and all problems outlined earlier disappear. It can be used in all styles, including With / End With as per (C) above, without attracting any error.

    The reason for sturdier performance with DbEngine(0)(0) lies in the fact that it is native to Jet, while CurrentDb, is an extra layer (on the fly) provided by Access on top of Jet. Each call to CurrentDb builds a new instance of database object. Each such new instance is ephemeral and disappears unless a pointer is set to it. Any two instances of CurrentDb retrieved are not automatically in synch or transparent to each other. The situation could be considered akin to two different recordsets for the same data source.

    As a corollary, if there are going to be multiple calls to database object and the situation does not permit keeping it alive via a standing global variable, adoption of DbEngine(0)(0) in lieu of CurrentDb could be preferred for improved performance.

    Note - The overhead involved in multiple creation of new instances via CurrentDb is likely to become heavier with greater number of objects in the database.
    
Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:32
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question


  Yep, that errors for me as well, but this doesn't:

  Function test()
  Dim tdf As TableDef
  For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    MsgBox tdf.Name
  Next
  End Function

  I'll have to look into this some more.
  -- 
  Stuart


  On 7 Aug 2009 at 21:17, Doug Steele wrote:

  > Interesting...this is in my standard relinking code as well.
  > 
  > I just double checked to make sure I wasn't making a mistake before I posted
  > the message.  Access 2003, and the following code:
  > 
  > dim tdf as TableDef
  > Set tdf = Currentdb.TableDefs(nextTable) 'where nextTable contains a valid
  > table name
  > msgbox tdf.name
  > 
  > the msgbox statement errors on 'object invalid or no longer set'.  If I
  > don't use Currentdb but a dimmed db variable, it works correctly.
  > 
  > Am I using the 'set' incorrectly?  But if I leave that out, I get a compiler
  > message 'Invalid use of property'.
  > 
  > Doug Steele
  > 
  > 
  > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
  > 
  > > Tha's strange,  I use this sort of relinking code in just about every
  > > system I write and it's
  > > never caused a problem.
  > >
  > >
  > > Dim tbl as TableDef
  > > ...
  > >   For Each tbl In CurrentDb.TableDefs
  > >         If Left$(tbl.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then renewlink _
  > >              tbl.Name, CurrentProject.Path & strBEName"
  > >   Next
  > > ...
  > > Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String) As Long
  > > DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
  > > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, _
  > > acTable, tablename, tablename, False
  > > End Function
  > > --
  > > Stuart
  > >
  > > On 7 Aug 2009 at 15:59, Doug Steele wrote:
  > >
  > > > I discovered this when I found that
  > > >
  > > > Set tdf = Currentdb.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
  > > >
  > > >  doesn't work, but
  > > >
  > > > dim myDB as Database
  > > > set tdf = myDB.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
  > > >
  > > > does work

From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 05:16:05 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:16:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <008f01ca1809$6ac5a330$715ea27a@personald6374f>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7D06C8.15688.5E3B172@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<008f01ca1809$6ac5a330$715ea27a@personald6374f>
Message-ID: <4a7d5088.0a1ad00a.1d16.ffffd14e@mx.google.com>

Very interesting AD.

>>
Any two instances of CurrentDb retrieved are not automatically in synch or
transparent to each other. The situation could be considered akin to two
different recordsets for the same data source.
<<

This is exactly what I would want and expect in most cases.  I would not
want a second instance to have any bearing whatsoever on the first and I
would want/expect to close the second down without any effect on the first.

Good summary - many thanks

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of A.D.Tejpal
Sent: 08 August 2009 10:17
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Use of CurrentDb and DbEngine(0)(0)
(Opening of recordsets, tabledefs, querydefs)
==============================

    It is observed that tabledef object created directly via CurrentDb as
per following sample statement, is not persistent. Any attempt at its use in
subsequent statements, or passing as an argument to external functions,
attracts error 3420 (Object invalid or no longer set):

    Set tdf = CurrentDb.TableDefs("MyTable")    ' (A)

    However, if an object variable (say db) is first set to CurrentDb and
that variable (db) is used in lieu of CurentDb in the above statement, there
is no error.

    Interestingly, directly opened tabledef object can be passed as an
argument to external function in following style, without attracting any
error:

    Debug.Print MyFunction(CurrentDb.TableDefs("MyTable"))    ' (B)

    However, any attempt to use such a style in a With / End With block as
shown below, will attract error 3420:

'============================        ' (C)
    With CurrentDb.TableDefs("MyTable")
        Debug.Print .Fields.Count        ' Error 3420
        Debug.Print .Fields(0).Name    ' Error 3420
    End With
'============================

    It is noticed that recordset and querydef objects do not suffer from
above limitations. These are persistent whether created directly via
CurrentDb as per (A) above or via db where db is an object pointer to
CurrentDb. Of course these can also be passed directly as an argument to
external function in a manner similar to statement (B) above. Moreover,
there is no error on adoption of With / End With construct similar to (C)
above.

    Even with tabledef object, if DbEngine(0)(0) is used in lieu of
CurrentDb, it becomes persistent and all problems outlined earlier
disappear. It can be used in all styles, including With / End With as per
(C) above, without attracting any error.

    The reason for sturdier performance with DbEngine(0)(0) lies in the fact
that it is native to Jet, while CurrentDb, is an extra layer (on the fly)
provided by Access on top of Jet. Each call to CurrentDb builds a new
instance of database object. Each such new instance is ephemeral and
disappears unless a pointer is set to it. Any two instances of CurrentDb
retrieved are not automatically in synch or transparent to each other. The
situation could be considered akin to two different recordsets for the same
data source.

    As a corollary, if there are going to be multiple calls to database
object and the situation does not permit keeping it alive via a standing
global variable, adoption of DbEngine(0)(0) in lieu of CurrentDb could be
preferred for improved performance.

    Note - The overhead involved in multiple creation of new instances via
CurrentDb is likely to become heavier with greater number of objects in the
database.
    
Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart McLachlan 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:32
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question


  Yep, that errors for me as well, but this doesn't:

  Function test()
  Dim tdf As TableDef
  For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    MsgBox tdf.Name
  Next
  End Function

  I'll have to look into this some more.
  -- 
  Stuart


  On 7 Aug 2009 at 21:17, Doug Steele wrote:

  > Interesting...this is in my standard relinking code as well.
  > 
  > I just double checked to make sure I wasn't making a mistake before I
posted
  > the message.  Access 2003, and the following code:
  > 
  > dim tdf as TableDef
  > Set tdf = Currentdb.TableDefs(nextTable) 'where nextTable contains a
valid
  > table name
  > msgbox tdf.name
  > 
  > the msgbox statement errors on 'object invalid or no longer set'.  If I
  > don't use Currentdb but a dimmed db variable, it works correctly.
  > 
  > Am I using the 'set' incorrectly?  But if I leave that out, I get a
compiler
  > message 'Invalid use of property'.
  > 
  > Doug Steele
  > 
  > 
  > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
  > 
  > > Tha's strange,  I use this sort of relinking code in just about every
  > > system I write and it's
  > > never caused a problem.
  > >
  > >
  > > Dim tbl as TableDef
  > > ...
  > >   For Each tbl In CurrentDb.TableDefs
  > >         If Left$(tbl.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then renewlink _
  > >              tbl.Name, CurrentProject.Path & strBEName"
  > >   Next
  > > ...
  > > Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String) As Long
  > > DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
  > > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, _
  > > acTable, tablename, tablename, False
  > > End Function
  > > --
  > > Stuart
  > >
  > > On 7 Aug 2009 at 15:59, Doug Steele wrote:
  > >
  > > > I discovered this when I found that
  > > >
  > > > Set tdf = Currentdb.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
  > > >
  > > >  doesn't work, but
  > > >
  > > > dim myDB as Database
  > > > set tdf = myDB.Tabledefs("myTableDef")
  > > >
  > > > does work
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug  8 05:21:53 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:21:53 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a7d3c20.0506d00a.1af5.ffffa11d@mx.google.com>
References: <4a7ca155.0a04d00a.067d.ffffd2c2@mx.google.com>	<BLU103-DAV59235BA48740C3C0930DFD20B0@phx.gbl>
	<4a7d3c20.0506d00a.1af5.ffffa11d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <007f01ca1812$0fb182d0$2f148870$@spb.ru>

Hi All,

Here is my proposal on AccessD discussions rules:

AccessD - MS Access/VBA only

dba-VB  - VB.NET/C#/.NET only

dba-IT  - MS Access/Office/VBA/MS SQL/C#/VB.NET/.NET Framework
          /MS Windows System/Hardware etc. - practical, final 
          result oriented, everyday software development
          business discussions...

dba-IT-OT - IT development related stuff - any, including 
          discussions of conceptual/computer science stuff...

dba-IT-ChitChat - Friday Humor, Max vs. JC (and similar) jokes e-mail
ping-pong etc.

dba-OT - everything.

I'd subscribe for and participate in all of them but not dba-OT as it has
very high postings volume (this is not a problem for my Internet connection
- but a problem for my e-mail archives). I'd also subscribe for dba-OT once
in a while when I'd feel a need to discuss subjects, which do not fit other
lists topics' rules.

I'd make all public discussions self-moderated with dedicated moderators
having authority to ban accounts of the members who do not follow the rules
but not spending their time pre-moderating discussions: lists members can
inform moderators about posts violating the rules and then moderators can
cut/stop the discussion thread in urgent cases (SPAM, flame, cycled
autoresponders...), or forward it to another list...

Have nice weekend.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Oh Sorry, John.

Can you point out the other latin paragraphs on the website - I must have
missed  them.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 08 August 2009 00:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

No, it's the UK English spelling that has changed from the Latin.  :-)

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Ahem!  I think you meant "..and the spelling was corrected"

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

And that was on the lyris welcome message on 20 June 2000, when I signed up:

"Welcome to the AccessDevelopers.Org Discussion List ... 

The purpose of this list is to provide an open forum for the posting and 
discussion of news and information relating to developing applications in
Microsoft Access. That means that ANYTHING Access related is fair game.

We try to maintain a light, family oriented environment and recognize that
humor and banter are part and parcel. However please restrict posting of 
jokes (topical, non-offensive only) to Fridays and clearly mark them as 
OT/Humor."

Only in the meanwhile the spelling of Humor has got anglicised...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database Advisors as a
corporate entity.

It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp

See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L
> Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic.
>> We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>

 

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 06:28:00 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:28:00 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <007f01ca1812$0fb182d0$2f148870$@spb.ru>
References: <4a7ca155.0a04d00a.067d.ffffd2c2@mx.google.com>	<BLU103-DAV59235BA48740C3C0930DFD20B0@phx.gbl>	<4a7d3c20.0506d00a.1af5.ffffa11d@mx.google.com>
	<007f01ca1812$0fb182d0$2f148870$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4a7d616a.0508d00a.423b.ffffea73@mx.google.com>

Sorry Shamil,

I must totally disagree with this.  This is a top-down approach from a
systems analyst.

But we are not talking here about a software solution but a "People"
solution.

IMO you have too many, far too many, divisions.  Most of my IT stuff crosses
these borders time and time again.

I would say we need only 3 lists.

1. DBA-IT (your AccessD, DBA-VB, DBA-IT below, anything MS related really) -
these all intermingle for me time and time again.

2. DBBA-Tech - Anything computer/development related which does not fall
under 1.

3. DBA-OT - Anything - General chat.

The Friday OT relaxation can be maintained/stopped - I have no preference.

I would not like to see a plethora of Lists because they do not reflect real
life development.
I am not doing .net etc but love reading about it (osmosis learning) and if
a subject comes up which I am not at all interested in, I just click Delete.

I am currently working on a project which involves Access, VBScript and .HTA
(HTML) within the one project.  I would like to post this to just No.1 above
and not bit-wise across three lists.


Well, there we go.  My 2 Roubles <g>

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 08 August 2009 11:22
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Hi All,

Here is my proposal on AccessD discussions rules:

AccessD - MS Access/VBA only

dba-VB  - VB.NET/C#/.NET only

dba-IT  - MS Access/Office/VBA/MS SQL/C#/VB.NET/.NET Framework
          /MS Windows System/Hardware etc. - practical, final 
          result oriented, everyday software development
          business discussions...

dba-IT-OT - IT development related stuff - any, including 
          discussions of conceptual/computer science stuff...

dba-IT-ChitChat - Friday Humor, Max vs. JC (and similar) jokes e-mail
ping-pong etc.

dba-OT - everything.

I'd subscribe for and participate in all of them but not dba-OT as it has
very high postings volume (this is not a problem for my Internet connection
- but a problem for my e-mail archives). I'd also subscribe for dba-OT once
in a while when I'd feel a need to discuss subjects, which do not fit other
lists topics' rules.

I'd make all public discussions self-moderated with dedicated moderators
having authority to ban accounts of the members who do not follow the rules
but not spending their time pre-moderating discussions: lists members can
inform moderators about posts violating the rules and then moderators can
cut/stop the discussion thread in urgent cases (SPAM, flame, cycled
autoresponders...), or forward it to another list...

Have nice weekend.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Oh Sorry, John.

Can you point out the other latin paragraphs on the website - I must have
missed  them.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 08 August 2009 00:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

No, it's the UK English spelling that has changed from the Latin.  :-)

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Ahem!  I think you meant "..and the spelling was corrected"

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

And that was on the lyris welcome message on 20 June 2000, when I signed up:

"Welcome to the AccessDevelopers.Org Discussion List ... 

The purpose of this list is to provide an open forum for the posting and 
discussion of news and information relating to developing applications in
Microsoft Access. That means that ANYTHING Access related is fair game.

We try to maintain a light, family oriented environment and recognize that
humor and banter are part and parcel. However please restrict posting of 
jokes (topical, non-offensive only) to Fridays and clearly mark them as 
OT/Humor."

Only in the meanwhile the spelling of Humor has got anglicised...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database Advisors as a
corporate entity.

It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp

See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L
> Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic.
>> We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>

 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug  8 07:00:37 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:00:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4a7d3ae9.1818d00a.766d.ffff9ed7@mx.google.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7C8A07.3000505@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CDFF9E@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net><4A7CA6DD.17640.46D0361@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4A7CABC8.5090709@colbyconsulting.com>	<8C5095FF911441ECB286646942BEEB16@HAL9005>
	<4a7d3ae9.1818d00a.766d.ffff9ed7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D68E5.8080300@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL.

I thought we had answered his next question ages ago.  Different Next Question I guess.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Hang on....looks into crystal ball....Rocky's next question....ummm..oh, yes
> there it is.
> 
> Glad that is answered then!
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: 08 August 2009 00:46
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> 
> That answers my next question...
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:34 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
> 
> Unfortunately that doesn't always work.  If RS loses scope the value of RS
> "goes away".  Inside of the same function this will always work, but if you
> try to pass the recordset off to another function, or a field off to another
> function, then things fail to work as you expect.
> 
> I had enough run-ins with this that I decided just to bite the bullet and do
> the dim db statement as a matter of habit.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Stuart McLachlan wrote:
>> As a matter of style, I never bother to Dim db.
>>
>> I just use:
>> Dim rs as DAO.Recordset
>> Set rs = Currentdb.OpenRecordset("myQuery")
>>
>>
> 
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> 


From adtp at airtelmail.in  Sat Aug  8 07:16:20 2009
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:46:20 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7D06C8.15688.5E3B172@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg><008f01ca1809$6ac5a330$715ea27a@personald6374f>
	<4a7d5088.0a1ad00a.1d16.ffffd14e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <007e01ca1822$173e6440$0f60a27a@personald6374f>

    You are most welcome Max! It is an interesting topic and various implications have to be kept in view. 

    Thanks for your comments.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Max Wanadoo 
  To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' 
  Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 15:46
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question


  Very interesting AD.

  >>
  Any two instances of CurrentDb retrieved are not automatically in synch or
  transparent to each other. The situation could be considered akin to two
  different recordsets for the same data source.
  <<

  This is exactly what I would want and expect in most cases.  I would not
  want a second instance to have any bearing whatsoever on the first and I
  would want/expect to close the second down without any effect on the first.

  Good summary - many thanks

  Max

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  8 07:30:11 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:30:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a7d616a.0508d00a.423b.ffffea73@mx.google.com>
References: <4a7ca155.0a04d00a.067d.ffffd2c2@mx.google.com>,
	<007f01ca1812$0fb182d0$2f148870$@spb.ru>,
	<4a7d616a.0508d00a.423b.ffffea73@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D6FD3.17451.77E065D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I wouldn't like to see AccessD watered down.  It should remain Access oriented and named 
accordingly otherwise we will cease to be a major source of Access expertise.

I'd suggest that we  need one other developer related list which would cover all the other 
technologies we are integrating Access with or using Access in (DBA-Dev ?). This would 
cover technologies such as virtualisation, web integration etc. as well as development 
environments (SQL Server/VB etc) and other Tech matters.

 I've just had a thought.  Some have been asking why the participation rate has gone down 
on Access-D, why we are not attracting new members or why it doesn't figure more 
prominently on search engines.  So I just had another look at 
http://www.databaseadvisors.com.   

You have to search really hard through the site before you even find a reference to Access.

You certainly can't tell from the entrance page that our main interest is Access solutions or 
that we are a source for solving Access problems.  The first thing a  casual visitor sees is 
advertisements for:

A Sharepoint book
A .Net project
Microsoft Training for Windows 7
Conficker Test
An article on Office Addins
Microsoft's Azure platform
....


and just to rub it in, here's the Description from the headers on each page: 
	<meta name="description" content="Database Advisors was founded in order to 
provide developers, using primarily .Net, VB, SQL and C# a place to discuss what we do, 
why we do it, what works and what doesn't." />

No mention of Access!

Maybe it's time for a redesign?

-- 
Stuart


On 8 Aug 2009 at 12:28, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Sorry Shamil,
> 
> I must totally disagree with this.  This is a top-down approach from a.

> systems analyst.
> 
> But we are not talking here about a software solution but a "People"
> solution.
> 
> IMO you have too many, far too many, divisions.  Most of my IT stuff crosses
> these borders time and time again.
> 
> I would say we need only 3 lists.
> 
> 1. DBA-IT (your AccessD, DBA-VB, DBA-IT below, anything MS related really) -
> these all intermingle for me time and time again.
> 
> 2. DBBA-Tech - Anything computer/development related which does not fall
> under 1.
> 
> 3. DBA-OT - Anything - General chat.
> 
> The Friday OT relaxation can be maintained/stopped - I have no preference.
> 
> I would not like to see a plethora of Lists because they do not reflect real
> life development.
> I am not doing .net etc but love reading about it (osmosis learning) and if
> a subject comes up which I am not at all interested in, I just click Delete.
> 
> I am currently working on a project which involves Access, VBScript and .HTA
> (HTML) within the one project.  I would like to post this to just No.1 above
> and not bit-wise across three lists.
> 
> 
> Well, there we go.  My 2 Roubles <g>
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 08 August 2009 11:22
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Here is my proposal on AccessD discussions rules:
> 
> AccessD - MS Access/VBA only
> 
> dba-VB  - VB.NET/C#/.NET only
> 
> dba-IT  - MS Access/Office/VBA/MS SQL/C#/VB.NET/.NET Framework
>           /MS Windows System/Hardware etc. - practical, final 
>           result oriented, everyday software development
>           business discussions...
> 
> dba-IT-OT - IT development related stuff - any, including 
>           discussions of conceptual/computer science stuff...
> 
> dba-IT-ChitChat - Friday Humor, Max vs. JC (and similar) jokes e-mail
> ping-pong etc.
> 
> dba-OT - everything.
> 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug  8 07:46:10 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 08:46:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4a7d5088.0a1ad00a.1d16.ffffd14e@mx.google.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7D06C8.15688.5E3B172@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<008f01ca1809$6ac5a330$715ea27a@personald6374f>
	<4a7d5088.0a1ad00a.1d16.ffffd14e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D7392.8050900@colbyconsulting.com>

Max,

That is not exactly what he means.

The database object contains a whole slew of things like .tabledefs() and .QueryDefs() collections 
etc.  When you dim a database object and set a reference to a database instance using CurrentDb, it 
creates a snapshot of the state of the database at that instance in time.  Suppose that you create 
TWO db variables, db1 and db2 and set each to currentdb.  Now delete a table using the 
db1.tabledefs() object to do so.  The db2.Tabledefs will continue to show all the table objects, 
even though one of them no longer exists because it was deleted by db1 object.

Currentdb returns a SNAPSHOT of the database at a specific point in time.  Currentdb APPARENTLY 
builds up a database object, populating all of the various collections (tabledefs(), QueryDefs() 
etc) with COPIES of the actual objects.  To my knowledge the "copy" goes to the physical 
description, NOT the data contained in a table for example.

Thus, for example, you could:

dim db1 as dao.database
	set db1 = currentdb

Now you could delete every table and query in the database and still use DB1 to see what they were 
and even dim recordsets for tables or queries that no longer exist, iterate said tables fields() 
collections, see what the data types for each field WERE etc.  However you could not OPEN the table 
or query (attempt to see the data) because the actual table is now missing.  The db object that you 
obtained with the currentdb object is a picture of the "skeleton" of the database, at the instant 
that the set statement occurred.

The time to open a Currentdb object can be quite onerous.  Try timing the set db = currentdb in a 
loop for a complex database and you will discover that it can take a long damned time, I have 
observed as much as a quarter of a second.  The reason is obvious if you think about the above 
concept.  The set statement has to somehow create the entire skeleton of the database (make a 
picture).  OTOH DbEngine (0)(0) simply grabs a pointer to the actual database, no overhead at all.

I used the following code to time the two methods:

Const clngMaxLoop As Long = 1000

Function TimeCurrentDb()
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim tmr As clsTimer
Dim lng As Long
     Set tmr = New clsTimer
     tmr.StartTimer
     For lng = 1 To clngMaxLoop
         Set db = CurrentDb
     Next lng
     Debug.Print "CurrentDb:" & tmr.EndTimer
End Function
Function TimeDBEngine()
Dim db As DAO.Database
Dim tmr As clsTimer
Dim lng As Long
     Set tmr = New clsTimer
     tmr.StartTimer
     For lng = 1 To clngMaxLoop
         Set db = DBEngine(0)(0)
     Next lng
     Debug.Print "DBEngine(0)(0):" & tmr.EndTimer
End Function

Class timer is:

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Private Declare Function apiGetTime Lib "winmm.dll" _
                                     Alias "timeGetTime" () As Long
Dim lngStartTime As Long
Private Sub Class_Initialize()
     StartTimer
End Sub
Function EndTimer()
     EndTimer = apiGetTime() - lngStartTime
End Function
Sub StartTimer()
     lngStartTime = apiGetTime()
End Sub

My results were:

TimeCurrentDb
CurrentDb:859
CurrentDb:878
CurrentDb:858
CurrentDb:886
CurrentDb:892

TimeDBEngine
DBEngine(0)(0):1

I guess the lesson to take away from all this is that Currentdb is a pretty specialized construct 
that in general is not what we want to use for most things.  DBEngine(0)(0) is a pointer to the 
ACTUAL database, live, current at all times.  CurrentDB is exactly that, a pointer to the database 
at the CURRENT instant, not live, not current at all times.  And expensive to get a pointer to to boot.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Very interesting AD.
> 
> Any two instances of CurrentDb retrieved are not automatically in synch or
> transparent to each other. The situation could be considered akin to two
> different recordsets for the same data source.
> <<
> 
> This is exactly what I would want and expect in most cases.  I would not
> want a second instance to have any bearing whatsoever on the first and I
> would want/expect to close the second down without any effect on the first.
> 
> Good summary - many thanks
> 
> Max



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 07:52:15 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:52:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
Message-ID: <6D5800E0D7BB4FCF8693F596E2816A3D@SusanOne>

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1746

Here ya go -- poll on favorite version of Access is up. :) 2003 is winning 
with 56%. Surprisingly, 2007 is second with 17% -- I expected 97 to come in 
second.

Susan H. 



From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 07:58:53 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 08:58:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Debug.Print Statements
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908080558k249584cdx58194d1921c0000d@mail.gmail.com>

Almost all of my proven, reusable code uses a constant to encase Debug.Print
statements in If/EndIf. But typically in the actual application code I just
plonk in Debug.Print statements so that I can see what's going on during
development. But suddenly I'm curious as to the overall impact on
performance. How much does a Debug.Print statement cost you?
And while we're on the subject, in all my years of coding Access, I have
never once used Debug.Assert. I would assume that it works like the Assert
statement in other languages I've used. Does anyone use it and if so when
and where?

Arthur


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug  8 07:59:08 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:59:08 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4a7d616a.0508d00a.423b.ffffea73@mx.google.com>
References: <4a7ca155.0a04d00a.067d.ffffd2c2@mx.google.com>	<BLU103-DAV59235BA48740C3C0930DFD20B0@phx.gbl>	<4a7d3c20.0506d00a.1af5.ffffa11d@mx.google.com>	<007f01ca1812$0fb182d0$2f148870$@spb.ru>
	<4a7d616a.0508d00a.423b.ffffea73@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca1828$05b64430$1122cc90$@spb.ru>

Hi Max,

Thank you for your response on my proposal.

Clarification:
--------------
In fact my posting is a proposal to find (IMO/AFAISI) "People-oriented"
solution or I'd better say "people-life-time-saver" solution: we all are
getting older you know and I, personally, am starting to value here every
bit of my time to spend it more with my family and relatives than with
computers. Yes, I accept Access-D, which I participate in since 1997 as my
very close "family" members, and some of that "family" members were even
here in St.Petersburg, Russia, and I met them personally, and all the other
are very welcome, still I'd prefer to not spend that much time as it's
needed nowadays to filter out the postings I'm not interested in - here is
where my proposal comes from. And the issue is not a fraction of second
spent on reading a message subject/deciding am I interested in that issue,
have I time to help - issue is on switching from actual work to Access-D
flooded e-mails folder - that's a waste of time to filter real grains/help
requests from "noise" ones (yes, I do produce such noise also once in a
while - you can accept this message like that :))...

Well, you can find myself not well organized or something like that if such
"small things" as flooded Access-D e-mails folder drives my attention out of
actual work...

And now, to really value each other time here, to save our time and
environment, I'd propose to introduce even more granular division:

AccessD - MS Access/VBA only

dba-VB  - VB.NET/C#/.NET only

dba-IT-911
 - quick help needed on any software/development/
   IT-related issues  

dba-IT 
 - MS Access/Office/VBA/MS SQL/C#/VB.NET/.NET Framework
   /MS Windows System/Hardware etc. - practical, final 
   result oriented, everyday software development
   business discussions...

dba-IT-OT 
 - IT development related stuff - any, including 
   discussions of conceptual/computer science stuff...

dba-IT-Club 
 - Friday Humor, Max vs. JC (and similar) jokes e-mail
    ping-pong etc.

dba-OT - everything.

As I have written I'd get subscribed to all of them except dba-OT but I'd
keep "keen eye"/try to help during working day for postings in AccessD,
dba-VB, dba-IT-911, and I'd read/participate in dba-IT, dba-IT-OT,
dba-IT-Club in the end of my working day/during weekends.

There could be also 

dba-Socializing-Chit-Chat-Ping-Pong 

for short messages coming all the time as it happens in the office during
working day - that would be to not feel alone for the ones of us who are
mainly working in "alone-wolf" mode - I'd subscribe for that list too but
I'd participate in it during the days free of heavy duty work, and on end of
the working days and on weekends...

If anybody wanted to have all the above topics coming in one folder - that's
easy to do with nowadays technologies...
If anybody wanted to not even see messages coming on one of the above topics
- then they will not subscribe the corresponding list...

As a final note you all are very welcome to St.Petersburg, Russia, and the
folks who have been here do know that I'm always open to meet them to go
together around the city, to have a beer/restaurant party - that's all my
pleasure to see you here...

That's my final post on the subject.

Leaving for weekend now.

Have a nice weekend.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 3:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Sorry Shamil,

I must totally disagree with this.  This is a top-down approach from a
systems analyst.

But we are not talking here about a software solution but a "People"
solution.

IMO you have too many, far too many, divisions.  Most of my IT stuff crosses
these borders time and time again.

I would say we need only 3 lists.

1. DBA-IT (your AccessD, DBA-VB, DBA-IT below, anything MS related really) -
these all intermingle for me time and time again.

2. DBBA-Tech - Anything computer/development related which does not fall
under 1.

3. DBA-OT - Anything - General chat.

The Friday OT relaxation can be maintained/stopped - I have no preference.

I would not like to see a plethora of Lists because they do not reflect real
life development.
I am not doing .net etc but love reading about it (osmosis learning) and if
a subject comes up which I am not at all interested in, I just click Delete.

I am currently working on a project which involves Access, VBScript and .HTA
(HTML) within the one project.  I would like to post this to just No.1 above
and not bit-wise across three lists.


Well, there we go.  My 2 Roubles <g>

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 08 August 2009 11:22
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Hi All,

Here is my proposal on AccessD discussions rules:

AccessD - MS Access/VBA only

dba-VB  - VB.NET/C#/.NET only

dba-IT  - MS Access/Office/VBA/MS SQL/C#/VB.NET/.NET Framework
          /MS Windows System/Hardware etc. - practical, final 
          result oriented, everyday software development
          business discussions...

dba-IT-OT - IT development related stuff - any, including 
          discussions of conceptual/computer science stuff...

dba-IT-ChitChat - Friday Humor, Max vs. JC (and similar) jokes e-mail
ping-pong etc.

dba-OT - everything.

I'd subscribe for and participate in all of them but not dba-OT as it has
very high postings volume (this is not a problem for my Internet connection
- but a problem for my e-mail archives). I'd also subscribe for dba-OT once
in a while when I'd feel a need to discuss subjects, which do not fit other
lists topics' rules.

I'd make all public discussions self-moderated with dedicated moderators
having authority to ban accounts of the members who do not follow the rules
but not spending their time pre-moderating discussions: lists members can
inform moderators about posts violating the rules and then moderators can
cut/stop the discussion thread in urgent cases (SPAM, flame, cycled
autoresponders...), or forward it to another list...

Have nice weekend.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

Oh Sorry, John.

Can you point out the other latin paragraphs on the website - I must have
missed  them.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 08 August 2009 00:43
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

No, it's the UK English spelling that has changed from the Latin.  :-)

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Ahem!  I think you meant "..and the spelling was corrected"

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of DJK(John)
Robinson
Sent: 07 August 2009 22:41
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

And that was on the lyris welcome message on 20 June 2000, when I signed up:

"Welcome to the AccessDevelopers.Org Discussion List ... 

The purpose of this list is to provide an open forum for the posting and 
discussion of news and information relating to developing applications in
Microsoft Access. That means that ANYTHING Access related is fair game.

We try to maintain a light, family oriented environment and recognize that
humor and banter are part and parcel. However please restrict posting of 
jokes (topical, non-offensive only) to Fridays and clearly mark them as 
OT/Humor."

Only in the meanwhile the spelling of Humor has got anglicised...

John


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
Sent: 07 August 2009 19:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message


Since the list inception. Or at least since we set up Database Advisors as a
corporate entity.

It's spelled out in the list Netequette on our website.

http://www.databaseadvisors.com/lists/netiquette.asp

See the second paragraph under the heading "How to use this list"

GK

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Since When??
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos
> Sent: 07 August 2009 17:36
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
>
> It's Friday. We relax the OT rules a bit on Fridays. <grin>
>
> GK
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Perry L
> Harold<pharold at proftesting.com>
> wrote:
>> And as far as particulars go - isn't this fairly much an OT topic.
>> We're
> not really talking about development - which is the core product here.
>>
>> Perry Harold
>
>
> --
> Gary Kjos
> garykjos at gmail.com
>

 




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 10:32:18 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:32:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
In-Reply-To: <6D5800E0D7BB4FCF8693F596E2816A3D@SusanOne>
References: <6D5800E0D7BB4FCF8693F596E2816A3D@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908080832k3d31d4a3l8b48eeb554f2e2cb@mail.gmail.com>

<rant>
IMO Access 2007 has been overly berated by developers. One has only to look
at the revised Northwind or Time and Billing apps to realize the new powers
available. The interfaces to both are gorgeous and very contemporary, and
make the previous versions look crusty and ancient. I now use the T&B app
for my invoicing exclusively. I did have to customize one of the reports to
include (and exclude) the details I was interested in, but the result is
simple to use and prints out the reports just as I want them, and the
customizations took about 10 minutes.
I would use Access 2007 exclusively were it not for the reluctance of
several clients to stick with what they already have. In one case, because I
detect a market beyond his immediate needs, I am proceeding with development
of a pretty complex app and doing the whole thing in Access 2007. I'm not
yet done because significant portions, forms and reports mostly, need to be
re-thought, and I am also a relative newbie to 2007, but I love what I've
got so far. It leaves the 2003 version of the app way in the cobwebs of
history. In fact, I'm thinking of redoing another client's app in a similar
fashion. The Access 2007 run-time works great, as evinced by the T&B app
that is freely downloadable and includes the run-time so you don't need
Access 2007 to run it.

Just my $0.02, but I'm totally in favour of the the migration. I just wish
that more of my clients were, too. But on the other hand, since by the
standards of Canadian law, in the absence of a specific clause that declares
code-ownership to the client, then code ownership falls to the developer, so
I am free to revise these apps and upgrade them and potentially even re-sell
them to new clients in the same or similar fields. This is not to say that I
would cut them out of the pie. I would far prefer to invite them into the
potential pie, and act as principal beta users and testimonials. All that
aside, IMO there is no comparison between the Access 2007 versions of
Northwind or T&B and their dinosaur equivalents in Access 2003.

And that's my point. All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a
failure to investigate what profound improvements lurk therein. Yes, old
crusty developers might have to rethink things, but so they should.

</rant>

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1746
>
> Here ya go -- poll on favorite version of Access is up. :) 2003 is winning
> with 56%. Surprisingly, 2007 is second with 17% -- I expected 97 to come in
> second.
>
> Susan H.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Aug  8 10:55:50 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:55:50 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908080832k3d31d4a3l8b48eeb554f2e2cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D5800E0D7BB4FCF8693F596E2816A3D@SusanOne>
	<29f585dd0908080832k3d31d4a3l8b48eeb554f2e2cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BBD62856D8854BF4B4D09B3B0566F675@danwaters>

Hi Arthur,

If you have a few minutes, could you list out what your favorite
improvements are?

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 10:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

<rant>
IMO Access 2007 has been overly berated by developers. One has only to look
at the revised Northwind or Time and Billing apps to realize the new powers
available. The interfaces to both are gorgeous and very contemporary, and
make the previous versions look crusty and ancient. I now use the T&B app
for my invoicing exclusively. I did have to customize one of the reports to
include (and exclude) the details I was interested in, but the result is
simple to use and prints out the reports just as I want them, and the
customizations took about 10 minutes.
I would use Access 2007 exclusively were it not for the reluctance of
several clients to stick with what they already have. In one case, because I
detect a market beyond his immediate needs, I am proceeding with development
of a pretty complex app and doing the whole thing in Access 2007. I'm not
yet done because significant portions, forms and reports mostly, need to be
re-thought, and I am also a relative newbie to 2007, but I love what I've
got so far. It leaves the 2003 version of the app way in the cobwebs of
history. In fact, I'm thinking of redoing another client's app in a similar
fashion. The Access 2007 run-time works great, as evinced by the T&B app
that is freely downloadable and includes the run-time so you don't need
Access 2007 to run it.

Just my $0.02, but I'm totally in favour of the the migration. I just wish
that more of my clients were, too. But on the other hand, since by the
standards of Canadian law, in the absence of a specific clause that declares
code-ownership to the client, then code ownership falls to the developer, so
I am free to revise these apps and upgrade them and potentially even re-sell
them to new clients in the same or similar fields. This is not to say that I
would cut them out of the pie. I would far prefer to invite them into the
potential pie, and act as principal beta users and testimonials. All that
aside, IMO there is no comparison between the Access 2007 versions of
Northwind or T&B and their dinosaur equivalents in Access 2003.

And that's my point. All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a
failure to investigate what profound improvements lurk therein. Yes, old
crusty developers might have to rethink things, but so they should.

</rant>

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1746
>
> Here ya go -- poll on favorite version of Access is up. :) 2003 is winning
> with 56%. Surprisingly, 2007 is second with 17% -- I expected 97 to come
in
> second.
>
> Susan H.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug  8 11:08:32 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:08:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908080832k3d31d4a3l8b48eeb554f2e2cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D5800E0D7BB4FCF8693F596E2816A3D@SusanOne>
	<29f585dd0908080832k3d31d4a3l8b48eeb554f2e2cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7DA300.1070507@colbyconsulting.com>

<rant>

I have looked at the new applications and I have to say, interface is one small part of application 
development and it is obvious to the most casual observer that these apps were designed by the same 
summer interns that designed the original apps 15 years ago.  Which for starters means that the 
designer started college 15 years ago and are still plugging away at college 15 years later.

One of the very first things we learn as developers is NEVER use spaces or special characters in 
object names (table, field or query names etc).  Look at the crap they name stuff.

If they can't even do the basics...  And if they think this is a good example to use to demo their 
stuff, what does that say about the underpinnings?

Nuff said.

</rant>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Arthur Fuller wrote:
> <rant>
> IMO Access 2007 has been overly berated by developers. One has only to look
> at the revised Northwind or Time and Billing apps to realize the new powers
> available. The interfaces to both are gorgeous and very contemporary, and
> make the previous versions look crusty and ancient. I now use the T&B app
> for my invoicing exclusively. I did have to customize one of the reports to
> include (and exclude) the details I was interested in, but the result is
> simple to use and prints out the reports just as I want them, and the
> customizations took about 10 minutes.
> I would use Access 2007 exclusively were it not for the reluctance of
> several clients to stick with what they already have. In one case, because I
> detect a market beyond his immediate needs, I am proceeding with development
> of a pretty complex app and doing the whole thing in Access 2007. I'm not
> yet done because significant portions, forms and reports mostly, need to be
> re-thought, and I am also a relative newbie to 2007, but I love what I've
> got so far. It leaves the 2003 version of the app way in the cobwebs of
> history. In fact, I'm thinking of redoing another client's app in a similar
> fashion. The Access 2007 run-time works great, as evinced by the T&B app
> that is freely downloadable and includes the run-time so you don't need
> Access 2007 to run it.
> 
> Just my $0.02, but I'm totally in favour of the the migration. I just wish
> that more of my clients were, too. But on the other hand, since by the
> standards of Canadian law, in the absence of a specific clause that declares
> code-ownership to the client, then code ownership falls to the developer, so
> I am free to revise these apps and upgrade them and potentially even re-sell
> them to new clients in the same or similar fields. This is not to say that I
> would cut them out of the pie. I would far prefer to invite them into the
> potential pie, and act as principal beta users and testimonials. All that
> aside, IMO there is no comparison between the Access 2007 versions of
> Northwind or T&B and their dinosaur equivalents in Access 2003.
> 
> And that's my point. All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a
> failure to investigate what profound improvements lurk therein. Yes, old
> crusty developers might have to rethink things, but so they should.
> 
> </rant>



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 11:09:23 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:09:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7D159C.27079.61DA034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7D110F.18404.60BDA28@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A7D159C.27079.61DA034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908080909l1233a099vba5705a993b58943@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Stuart (and A.D.Tejpal).  Another mystery solved!

Doug Steele

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Further:
>
> CurrentDB is not an object!
> It is a *method*  which returns the clone Database object.
>
> Which would explain why it can't persist once the reference to it is over.
>
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 11:20:21 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 17:20:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908080909l1233a099vba5705a993b58943@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7D110F.18404.60BDA28@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4A7D159C.27079.61DA034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4dd71a0c0908080909l1233a099vba5705a993b58943@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a7da607.0506d00a.1c29.714d@mx.google.com>

Here! Here!  Well said Doug.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: 08 August 2009 17:09
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Thanks, Stuart (and A.D.Tejpal).  Another mystery solved!

Doug Steele

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Stuart McLachlan
<stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Further:
>
> CurrentDB is not an object!
> It is a *method*  which returns the clone Database object.
>
> Which would explain why it can't persist once the reference to it is over.
>
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug  8 11:58:30 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:58:30 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908080832k3d31d4a3l8b48eeb554f2e2cb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D5800E0D7BB4FCF8693F596E2816A3D@SusanOne>
	<29f585dd0908080832k3d31d4a3l8b48eeb554f2e2cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701ca1849$75dc1fc0$61945f40$@spb.ru>

<<<
All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a
failure to investigate what profound improvements lurk therein.
>>>
Agreed. 
Not going to start Access X (<2007) vs. Access 2007) flame.
Just stating about my experience with MS Access 2007 development.
And as you know I have intensive experience with working with MS Access
since MS Access 1.1, especially with Access 2.0, Access 97, skipped Access
95, almost skipped MS Access 2000 and MS Access 2002(XP) and I have done
quite a lot of development work with MS Access 2003. You can find software I
have done running all over the world for all MS Access versions including MS
Access 2007 - have a look www.4tops.com and www.helpgenerator.com (I do not
work for that company nowadays, nor have I any shares in it or any profits
from its current business).

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

<rant>
IMO Access 2007 has been overly berated by developers. One has only to look
at the revised Northwind or Time and Billing apps to realize the new powers
available. The interfaces to both are gorgeous and very contemporary, and
make the previous versions look crusty and ancient. I now use the T&B app
for my invoicing exclusively. I did have to customize one of the reports to
include (and exclude) the details I was interested in, but the result is
simple to use and prints out the reports just as I want them, and the
customizations took about 10 minutes.
I would use Access 2007 exclusively were it not for the reluctance of
several clients to stick with what they already have. In one case, because I
detect a market beyond his immediate needs, I am proceeding with development
of a pretty complex app and doing the whole thing in Access 2007. I'm not
yet done because significant portions, forms and reports mostly, need to be
re-thought, and I am also a relative newbie to 2007, but I love what I've
got so far. It leaves the 2003 version of the app way in the cobwebs of
history. In fact, I'm thinking of redoing another client's app in a similar
fashion. The Access 2007 run-time works great, as evinced by the T&B app
that is freely downloadable and includes the run-time so you don't need
Access 2007 to run it.

Just my $0.02, but I'm totally in favour of the the migration. I just wish
that more of my clients were, too. But on the other hand, since by the
standards of Canadian law, in the absence of a specific clause that declares
code-ownership to the client, then code ownership falls to the developer, so
I am free to revise these apps and upgrade them and potentially even re-sell
them to new clients in the same or similar fields. This is not to say that I
would cut them out of the pie. I would far prefer to invite them into the
potential pie, and act as principal beta users and testimonials. All that
aside, IMO there is no comparison between the Access 2007 versions of
Northwind or T&B and their dinosaur equivalents in Access 2003.

And that's my point. All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a
failure to investigate what profound improvements lurk therein. Yes, old
crusty developers might have to rethink things, but so they should.

</rant>

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1746
>
> Here ya go -- poll on favorite version of Access is up. :) 2003 is winning
> with 56%. Surprisingly, 2007 is second with 17% -- I expected 97 to come
in
> second.
>
> Susan H.
>
> --
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From tewald at wowway.com  Sat Aug  8 12:22:49 2009
From: tewald at wowway.com (Thomas Ewald)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:22:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1249750800.11554.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1249750800.11554.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <0BD071592BCC40F5A5DCB493EDDD9B68@desktop08>

One of the poll options mentioned something like "Microsoft must hate Access
developers." Why developers...how about users? And why stick with
Access...all of Office was changed. Can you say "New Coke"? Microsoft took
the best known office interface in the world and changed it, insisting that
its  millions (!) of users have to throw away a good percentage of their
knowledge and start over. Not all of their knowledge, of course, but a good
percentage. And why? Because they had too many options to fit in their
menuing system - their easily adaptable menuing system?

I'm not at the level of some of you, but I do Access (and Excel)
development. Beyond that, though, I USE Access and Excel a great deal, and
Microsoft is apparently intent on making much of my knowledge and experience
obsolete (How politically correct: Level the playing field by removing the
value of experience.). 

Since I make my living using and developing Access and Excel, I'll have to
learn the ribbon eventually, unless Microsoft decides to dump it later, but
I'm in no hurry. Like most companies, my employer and my current outside
client are both in no hurry to migrate, so I'm safe for now.

Thanks for listening.

Tom Ewald
Detroit Area

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:58:30 +0400
<<<All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a failure to
investigate what profound improvements lurk therein.>>>

Agreed. 
Not going to start Access X (<2007) vs. Access 2007) flame.
Just stating about my experience with MS Access 2007 development.
And as you know I have intensive experience with working with MS Access
since MS Access 1.1, especially with Access 2.0, Access 97, skipped Access
95, almost skipped MS Access 2000 and MS Access 2002(XP) and I have done
quite a lot of development work with MS Access 2003. You can find software I
have done running all over the world for all MS Access versions including MS
Access 2007 - have a look www.4tops.com and www.helpgenerator.com (I do not
work for that company nowadays, nor have I any shares in it or any profits
from its current business).

Thank you.

--
Shamil



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 12:50:02 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:50:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
In-Reply-To: <000701ca1849$75dc1fc0$61945f40$@spb.ru>
References: <6D5800E0D7BB4FCF8693F596E2816A3D@SusanOne>	<29f585dd0908080832k3d31d4a3l8b48eeb554f2e2cb@mail.gmail.com>
	<000701ca1849$75dc1fc0$61945f40$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4a7dbb17.0506d00a.1d3e.ffff9fa9@mx.google.com>

Shamil,
...
And, what is your conclusion?  You left me hanging a bit there..

Where do you stand on 2007?  

Are you saying, "It is just another cycle in the development chain.  Test
it, learn it, adjust and move on"

Or are you saying.

"After all the experience you have (some of which you outlined), you think
that this is something other than another cycle in the development chain"

I respect your comments (as I am sure, many of us do).

Thank you

Can I also say, that there is no other forum (listserv or webbased) which
has what this List has.  Over the years, I have joined/left many others.  I
have used them (to find an answer) and given nothing back.  On this list I
have been prepared to (and have done so) spent many hours of my time to help
others write code, find answers etc.  And many of you have done the same.


This LIST is exceptional, outstanding and Global.  IMO, without equal.  I
would not be prepared to spend many hours of my time other than the fact
that over the years I have grown to love and respect all of you - your
opinions and your personalities (which do come out over an extended period
of time).  Compare that to any other site and if you find anything similar,
send me the URL.

The fact that we can have this discussion without rancour and bad feeling;
without flaming or juvenile behaviour speaks volumes.  I have never heard
anybody disrespect anybody else.

I love the jocularity.  I love the long dissertations from JC, Drew, Stuart,
et al.  I sometimes have to leave them and come back later to let it sink
in.  But, I tell you frankly, I would rather that then the 2-line answers
that many others give.  None of these "dissertations" can be ignored,
regardless  of whether they are OT or not, they are all  part of my
"learning curve".  Jim recently done one of networking. I used his tips
immediately and they worked.  AD Just today, with Stuart, gave a brilliant
summary of the difference between dimming an object v Currentdb.  You do not
have to look back to far (perhaps wading through chat and banter) to find a
GEM. Nearly every day, somebody posts  something which is worth knowing.
Susan and Charlotte, Karen, etc  with their interactions and stuff on .Net
are priceless and so it goes on.

Whatever we eventually evolve into, I hope I will continue to be part of it.

Max

Ps. This is not meant to be a list of "luminaries".  Just people that pop
into my head whilst I am writing.  If I were to go back a couple of more
days, the name list would increase exponentially.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 08 August 2009 17:59
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

<<<
All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a
failure to investigate what profound improvements lurk therein.
>>>
Agreed. 
Not going to start Access X (<2007) vs. Access 2007) flame.
Just stating about my experience with MS Access 2007 development.
And as you know I have intensive experience with working with MS Access
since MS Access 1.1, especially with Access 2.0, Access 97, skipped Access
95, almost skipped MS Access 2000 and MS Access 2002(XP) and I have done
quite a lot of development work with MS Access 2003. You can find software I
have done running all over the world for all MS Access versions including MS
Access 2007 - have a look www.4tops.com and www.helpgenerator.com (I do not
work for that company nowadays, nor have I any shares in it or any profits
from its current business).

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

<rant>
IMO Access 2007 has been overly berated by developers. One has only to look
at the revised Northwind or Time and Billing apps to realize the new powers
available. The interfaces to both are gorgeous and very contemporary, and
make the previous versions look crusty and ancient. I now use the T&B app
for my invoicing exclusively. I did have to customize one of the reports to
include (and exclude) the details I was interested in, but the result is
simple to use and prints out the reports just as I want them, and the
customizations took about 10 minutes.
I would use Access 2007 exclusively were it not for the reluctance of
several clients to stick with what they already have. In one case, because I
detect a market beyond his immediate needs, I am proceeding with development
of a pretty complex app and doing the whole thing in Access 2007. I'm not
yet done because significant portions, forms and reports mostly, need to be
re-thought, and I am also a relative newbie to 2007, but I love what I've
got so far. It leaves the 2003 version of the app way in the cobwebs of
history. In fact, I'm thinking of redoing another client's app in a similar
fashion. The Access 2007 run-time works great, as evinced by the T&B app
that is freely downloadable and includes the run-time so you don't need
Access 2007 to run it.

Just my $0.02, but I'm totally in favour of the the migration. I just wish
that more of my clients were, too. But on the other hand, since by the
standards of Canadian law, in the absence of a specific clause that declares
code-ownership to the client, then code ownership falls to the developer, so
I am free to revise these apps and upgrade them and potentially even re-sell
them to new clients in the same or similar fields. This is not to say that I
would cut them out of the pie. I would far prefer to invite them into the
potential pie, and act as principal beta users and testimonials. All that
aside, IMO there is no comparison between the Access 2007 versions of
Northwind or T&B and their dinosaur equivalents in Access 2003.

And that's my point. All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a
failure to investigate what profound improvements lurk therein. Yes, old
crusty developers might have to rethink things, but so they should.

</rant>

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1746
>
> Here ya go -- poll on favorite version of Access is up. :) 2003 is winning
> with 56%. Surprisingly, 2007 is second with 17% -- I expected 97 to come
in
> second.
>
> Susan H.
>
> --
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 12:55:09 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 18:55:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
In-Reply-To: <0BD071592BCC40F5A5DCB493EDDD9B68@desktop08>
References: <mailman.1.1249750800.11554.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<0BD071592BCC40F5A5DCB493EDDD9B68@desktop08>
Message-ID: <4a7dbc4a.0707d00a.4d4e.ffffa1f8@mx.google.com>

Tom:
I think you have just nailed the resentment that many of us feel.
Many of us have spend years developing stuff which interfaces to the client
and which is now obsolete.  The "back room stuff" is largely unchanged.
BUT there is no BUTTON to opt for the earlier version and NO MARKETING from
MS to say that the ENGINE is the same, so when a developer goes to a client
and says "Here is a solution to your needs"  the client say, "What, 2003.  I
heard that the latest was 2007, and that itself is 2 years ago"

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Ewald
Sent: 08 August 2009 18:23
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

One of the poll options mentioned something like "Microsoft must hate Access
developers." Why developers...how about users? And why stick with
Access...all of Office was changed. Can you say "New Coke"? Microsoft took
the best known office interface in the world and changed it, insisting that
its  millions (!) of users have to throw away a good percentage of their
knowledge and start over. Not all of their knowledge, of course, but a good
percentage. And why? Because they had too many options to fit in their
menuing system - their easily adaptable menuing system?

I'm not at the level of some of you, but I do Access (and Excel)
development. Beyond that, though, I USE Access and Excel a great deal, and
Microsoft is apparently intent on making much of my knowledge and experience
obsolete (How politically correct: Level the playing field by removing the
value of experience.). 

Since I make my living using and developing Access and Excel, I'll have to
learn the ribbon eventually, unless Microsoft decides to dump it later, but
I'm in no hurry. Like most companies, my employer and my current outside
client are both in no hurry to migrate, so I'm safe for now.

Thanks for listening.

Tom Ewald
Detroit Area

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:58:30 +0400
<<<All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a failure to
investigate what profound improvements lurk therein.>>>

Agreed. 
Not going to start Access X (<2007) vs. Access 2007) flame.
Just stating about my experience with MS Access 2007 development.
And as you know I have intensive experience with working with MS Access
since MS Access 1.1, especially with Access 2.0, Access 97, skipped Access
95, almost skipped MS Access 2000 and MS Access 2002(XP) and I have done
quite a lot of development work with MS Access 2003. You can find software I
have done running all over the world for all MS Access versions including MS
Access 2007 - have a look www.4tops.com and www.helpgenerator.com (I do not
work for that company nowadays, nor have I any shares in it or any profits
from its current business).

Thank you.

--
Shamil

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug  8 13:15:32 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:15:32 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
In-Reply-To: <0BD071592BCC40F5A5DCB493EDDD9B68@desktop08>
References: <mailman.1.1249750800.11554.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<0BD071592BCC40F5A5DCB493EDDD9B68@desktop08>
Message-ID: <000801ca1854$38edaba0$aac902e0$@spb.ru>

Hi Thomas,

Thank you for your comment.
As I noted I do not intend to start MS Access 2007 vs. MS Access X (<2007)
discussion I just wanted to agree with Arthur therefore this will be my
final post in this thread. 

BTW, but my previous posting I didn't mean that MS Access 2007 is better/has
better interface than MS Access X (<2007) - I just wanted to note that I
like MS Access 2007 a lot when it happens to do some development with it. I
also didn't mean that MS likes/listen to opinions of all of MS Access
developers and users but I'm quite sure that they(MS) do a lot of
investigations, which involve many developers and users who do use MS
Access/Office in their everyday work (I do not belong to this MS selected
elite group), before they (MS) introduce the GUI changes as they did for MS
Office/Access 2007. 

Short note (just a note - no discussion/arguing) about "throwing away a good
percentage of their knowledge" - we're in IT/software development business -
that kind of "previous experience losses" happens every day - and more and
more with every new day. It's inevitable. Have a look at the cars: what
external and internal "interface" they had in 80-ies/beginning-middle of
90-es and what they have now? MS Access/Office interface was quite the same
since MS Access/Office 95/97 (and its ideas/principles are from
80-ies/90-ies). It was time to change it for MS Access/Office 2007. 

Not going into flame mode, not defending MS, just trying to be realistic.
(Sure somebody will find my above passages stupid. No problem.)

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Ewald
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:23 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

One of the poll options mentioned something like "Microsoft must hate Access
developers." Why developers...how about users? And why stick with
Access...all of Office was changed. Can you say "New Coke"? Microsoft took
the best known office interface in the world and changed it, insisting that
its  millions (!) of users have to throw away a good percentage of their
knowledge and start over. Not all of their knowledge, of course, but a good
percentage. And why? Because they had too many options to fit in their
menuing system - their easily adaptable menuing system?

I'm not at the level of some of you, but I do Access (and Excel)
development. Beyond that, though, I USE Access and Excel a great deal, and
Microsoft is apparently intent on making much of my knowledge and experience
obsolete (How politically correct: Level the playing field by removing the
value of experience.). 

Since I make my living using and developing Access and Excel, I'll have to
learn the ribbon eventually, unless Microsoft decides to dump it later, but
I'm in no hurry. Like most companies, my employer and my current outside
client are both in no hurry to migrate, so I'm safe for now.

Thanks for listening.

Tom Ewald
Detroit Area

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:58:30 +0400
<<<All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a failure to
investigate what profound improvements lurk therein.>>>

Agreed. 
Not going to start Access X (<2007) vs. Access 2007) flame.
Just stating about my experience with MS Access 2007 development.
And as you know I have intensive experience with working with MS Access
since MS Access 1.1, especially with Access 2.0, Access 97, skipped Access
95, almost skipped MS Access 2000 and MS Access 2002(XP) and I have done
quite a lot of development work with MS Access 2003. You can find software I
have done running all over the world for all MS Access versions including MS
Access 2007 - have a look www.4tops.com and www.helpgenerator.com (I do not
work for that company nowadays, nor have I any shares in it or any profits
from its current business).

Thank you.

--
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug  8 14:07:10 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:07:10 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
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Max,

Thank you for your comment.
As I noted earlier I intended to not post any my comments into this thread -
I will post now to reply on your posting and then no other comments - OK?

Yes, "this list is exceptional, outstanding and global."
Yes, "long dissertation from JC, Drew, Stuart et al." are very good. 
Yes, "I tell you frankly, I would rather prefer the 2-line answers that many
others give" as I do not have time to read long posts. (And because I'm more
a developer/writer than reader. I do like to write long posts too. But I do
not have time for that long writing these days. So I'm trying to find how to
express myself/to help others using relatively short messages. William's
style is the best here to learn this way of short-token communication from.
Yours is very good also. Gustav's is a bit longer but always very profound
and on topic. I can go on and on...) 
Yes, "nearly every day, somebody posts something which is worth knowing."
Yes, "whatever we eventually evolve into, I hope I will continue to be part
of it (Access-D)."
Yes, I'm more saying "it's just another cycle in the development chain.
Test it, learn it, adjust and move on" than anything else.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S.  As far as I understood the main issue for developers in MS Access 2007
is to hide the Ribbon and to generate custom CommandBars on runtime? If I'm
not mistaken we can discuss this subject/issue and we can try of needed to
find its effective workaround in another thread here. Thank you.

P.P.S I'd prefer to not participate in discussions that "Ribbon sucks"
because many of us are so used to use (since Office 95) MS Office
CommandBars - I also do still feel a bit uncomfortable with Ribbon because I
do not use it on everyday basis but when it happens to use it for a couple
of days then everything gets in right place, logical and well arranged. I
mean if it ever happens for me to return to MS Access/Office development I'd
expect that Ribbon will not be an issue at all after one week of intensive
working with it...

P.P.P.S. BTW, I'm typing this message on DELL's Inspiron 9400 notebook
running MS Windows Vista Ultimate: I do use MS Windows Vista for 2+ years
now. I like it. I mean that. You can find me a bit masochistic. Maybe. :)
Have a nice weekend. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:50 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

Shamil,
...
And, what is your conclusion?  You left me hanging a bit there..

Where do you stand on 2007?  

Are you saying, "It is just another cycle in the development chain.  Test
it, learn it, adjust and move on"

Or are you saying.

"After all the experience you have (some of which you outlined), you think
that this is something other than another cycle in the development chain"

I respect your comments (as I am sure, many of us do).

Thank you

Can I also say, that there is no other forum (listserv or webbased) which
has what this List has.  Over the years, I have joined/left many others.  I
have used them (to find an answer) and given nothing back.  On this list I
have been prepared to (and have done so) spent many hours of my time to help
others write code, find answers etc.  And many of you have done the same.


This LIST is exceptional, outstanding and Global.  IMO, without equal.  I
would not be prepared to spend many hours of my time other than the fact
that over the years I have grown to love and respect all of you - your
opinions and your personalities (which do come out over an extended period
of time).  Compare that to any other site and if you find anything similar,
send me the URL.

The fact that we can have this discussion without rancour and bad feeling;
without flaming or juvenile behaviour speaks volumes.  I have never heard
anybody disrespect anybody else.

I love the jocularity.  I love the long dissertations from JC, Drew, Stuart,
et al.  I sometimes have to leave them and come back later to let it sink
in.  But, I tell you frankly, I would rather that then the 2-line answers
that many others give.  None of these "dissertations" can be ignored,
regardless  of whether they are OT or not, they are all  part of my
"learning curve".  Jim recently done one of networking. I used his tips
immediately and they worked.  AD Just today, with Stuart, gave a brilliant
summary of the difference between dimming an object v Currentdb.  You do not
have to look back to far (perhaps wading through chat and banter) to find a
GEM. Nearly every day, somebody posts  something which is worth knowing.
Susan and Charlotte, Karen, etc  with their interactions and stuff on .Net
are priceless and so it goes on.

Whatever we eventually evolve into, I hope I will continue to be part of it.

Max

Ps. This is not meant to be a list of "luminaries".  Just people that pop
into my head whilst I am writing.  If I were to go back a couple of more
days, the name list would increase exponentially.



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 08 August 2009 17:59
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

<<<
All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a
failure to investigate what profound improvements lurk therein.
>>>
Agreed. 
Not going to start Access X (<2007) vs. Access 2007) flame.
Just stating about my experience with MS Access 2007 development.
And as you know I have intensive experience with working with MS Access
since MS Access 1.1, especially with Access 2.0, Access 97, skipped Access
95, almost skipped MS Access 2000 and MS Access 2002(XP) and I have done
quite a lot of development work with MS Access 2003. You can find software I
have done running all over the world for all MS Access versions including MS
Access 2007 - have a look www.4tops.com and www.helpgenerator.com (I do not
work for that company nowadays, nor have I any shares in it or any profits
from its current business).

Thank you.

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:32 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

<rant>
IMO Access 2007 has been overly berated by developers. One has only to look
at the revised Northwind or Time and Billing apps to realize the new powers
available. The interfaces to both are gorgeous and very contemporary, and
make the previous versions look crusty and ancient. I now use the T&B app
for my invoicing exclusively. I did have to customize one of the reports to
include (and exclude) the details I was interested in, but the result is
simple to use and prints out the reports just as I want them, and the
customizations took about 10 minutes.
I would use Access 2007 exclusively were it not for the reluctance of
several clients to stick with what they already have. In one case, because I
detect a market beyond his immediate needs, I am proceeding with development
of a pretty complex app and doing the whole thing in Access 2007. I'm not
yet done because significant portions, forms and reports mostly, need to be
re-thought, and I am also a relative newbie to 2007, but I love what I've
got so far. It leaves the 2003 version of the app way in the cobwebs of
history. In fact, I'm thinking of redoing another client's app in a similar
fashion. The Access 2007 run-time works great, as evinced by the T&B app
that is freely downloadable and includes the run-time so you don't need
Access 2007 to run it.

Just my $0.02, but I'm totally in favour of the the migration. I just wish
that more of my clients were, too. But on the other hand, since by the
standards of Canadian law, in the absence of a specific clause that declares
code-ownership to the client, then code ownership falls to the developer, so
I am free to revise these apps and upgrade them and potentially even re-sell
them to new clients in the same or similar fields. This is not to say that I
would cut them out of the pie. I would far prefer to invite them into the
potential pie, and act as principal beta users and testimonials. All that
aside, IMO there is no comparison between the Access 2007 versions of
Northwind or T&B and their dinosaur equivalents in Access 2003.

And that's my point. All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a
failure to investigate what profound improvements lurk therein. Yes, old
crusty developers might have to rethink things, but so they should.

</rant>

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1746
>
> Here ya go -- poll on favorite version of Access is up. :) 2003 is winning
> with 56%. Surprisingly, 2007 is second with 17% -- I expected 97 to come
in
> second.
>
> Susan H.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug  8 14:09:24 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 15:09:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
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Shamil,

In fact you picked a bad example to demonstrate your old / new interface argument.  The auto is so 
standardized that you can go anywhere around the world and the ONLY thing that may throw you a curve 
is the steering wheel on the left / right.  The Accelerator / brake / clutch is identical.  The 
shift patterns for manual tend to be identical, or at least similar enough that you can very quickly 
adapt.  The column auto gear shift, virtually identical, the center auto shift patterns, almost 
identical.

So almost any seasoned driver can go almost anywhere in the world (that I have seen anyway), jump in 
a car and at least peel away from the bad guys.  When you get down to lights, wipers... a handful of 
pretty standard locations.

I guess my point is that to completely redesign the interface needs a reason... and I certainly 
don't see that reason.  Excel is still Excel, it did not undergo a radical redesign that simply 
wouldn't work under the old interface.  Same with Word, Access etc.  In fact I found a widget that 
would somehow convert Office 2007 to use the old interface, which completely thrashes the "needed 
for new technology" mantra.

As for asking developers... I truly do not think so.  I have heard, and it is admittedly pure 
hearsay, that they have a huge usability lab and they basically did usability studies and decided 
that the usability could be enhanced.  I will not argue that.  But did they do the usability studies 
AFTER deciding to completely change the interface, in order to make the new one as efficient as they 
could?

MAYBE the new toolbar is more efficient for "brand new, never seen this widget before" users.  And 
of course MS owns the product and can do with it what they want.  The irritation comes from the fact 
that if you HAVE used the product before, if you have spent 10 years using it, then the new toolbars 
are a huge time suck trying to adapt.

It is EXACTLY the same thing as taking a guitar and stringing it backwards and telling Eric Clapton 
"hey, it is just a guitar, it does exactly the same thing".  Yea RIGHT.  It does do the same thing, 
but Eric just can't play it without completely relearning the manual interface.

Have you ever heard of the DVorak keyboard?  It is supposedly a much more efficient design but who 
is going to go learn to use it?

You get my point.

Microsoft owns office and they are in a position to FORCE the world to change, and that is what they 
are doing.  You can bet your bottom dollar it is for their own reasons.  Usability?  Maybe.  Or 
maybe they had lost control of the interface and had competition designing office products that 
looked identical but were free (Open Office anyone?) and maybe a redesign could be copyrighted or 
even patented...

MS would never admit to any such motivations but given that it is apparently possible to install a 
widget that takes you back to the old interface, it is NOT because it was impossible to use the old 
interface.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Thank you for your comment.
> As I noted I do not intend to start MS Access 2007 vs. MS Access X (<2007)
> discussion I just wanted to agree with Arthur therefore this will be my
> final post in this thread. 
> 
> BTW, but my previous posting I didn't mean that MS Access 2007 is better/has
> better interface than MS Access X (<2007) - I just wanted to note that I
> like MS Access 2007 a lot when it happens to do some development with it. I
> also didn't mean that MS likes/listen to opinions of all of MS Access
> developers and users but I'm quite sure that they(MS) do a lot of
> investigations, which involve many developers and users who do use MS
> Access/Office in their everyday work (I do not belong to this MS selected
> elite group), before they (MS) introduce the GUI changes as they did for MS
> Office/Access 2007. 
> 
> Short note (just a note - no discussion/arguing) about "throwing away a good
> percentage of their knowledge" - we're in IT/software development business -
> that kind of "previous experience losses" happens every day - and more and
> more with every new day. It's inevitable. Have a look at the cars: what
> external and internal "interface" they had in 80-ies/beginning-middle of
> 90-es and what they have now? MS Access/Office interface was quite the same
> since MS Access/Office 95/97 (and its ideas/principles are from
> 80-ies/90-ies). It was time to change it for MS Access/Office 2007. 
> 
> Not going into flame mode, not defending MS, just trying to be realistic.
> (Sure somebody will find my above passages stupid. No problem.)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Ewald
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:23 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll
> 
> One of the poll options mentioned something like "Microsoft must hate Access
> developers." Why developers...how about users? And why stick with
> Access...all of Office was changed. Can you say "New Coke"? Microsoft took
> the best known office interface in the world and changed it, insisting that
> its  millions (!) of users have to throw away a good percentage of their
> knowledge and start over. Not all of their knowledge, of course, but a good
> percentage. And why? Because they had too many options to fit in their
> menuing system - their easily adaptable menuing system?
> 
> I'm not at the level of some of you, but I do Access (and Excel)
> development. Beyond that, though, I USE Access and Excel a great deal, and
> Microsoft is apparently intent on making much of my knowledge and experience
> obsolete (How politically correct: Level the playing field by removing the
> value of experience.). 
> 
> Since I make my living using and developing Access and Excel, I'll have to
> learn the ribbon eventually, unless Microsoft decides to dump it later, but
> I'm in no hurry. Like most companies, my employer and my current outside
> client are both in no hurry to migrate, so I'm safe for now.
> 
> Thanks for listening.
> 
> Tom Ewald
> Detroit Area
> 
> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:58:30 +0400
> <<<All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a failure to
> investigate what profound improvements lurk therein.>>>
> 
> Agreed. 
> Not going to start Access X (<2007) vs. Access 2007) flame.
> Just stating about my experience with MS Access 2007 development.
> And as you know I have intensive experience with working with MS Access
> since MS Access 1.1, especially with Access 2.0, Access 97, skipped Access
> 95, almost skipped MS Access 2000 and MS Access 2002(XP) and I have done
> quite a lot of development work with MS Access 2003. You can find software I
> have done running all over the world for all MS Access versions including MS
> Access 2007 - have a look www.4tops.com and www.helpgenerator.com (I do not
> work for that company nowadays, nor have I any shares in it or any profits
> from its current business).
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug  8 14:41:17 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:41:17 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
In-Reply-To: <4A7DCD64.1050204@colbyconsulting.com>
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John,

Let me have this my posting as the last one in this thread? My last posting
but anybody else please feel free to comment on it but do not "force me" to
reply - OK?

Yes, my example with cars' "interfaces" evolution maybe is not that a good
analogy to comment on what and why happened with good old MS Office
CommandBars replaced by Ribbon. I prefer to not comment (a lot) on what
reasons lay behind that MS decision. I do feel the reasons were good and
real business oriented as I see that MS is releasing more and more mature
software with years both for end users, developers and system engineers. I'm
not saying I understand/can explain all their reasons. Many of them are
beyond me. But I feel good and safe with MS software. (Much) more good and
safe than before.

Have you ever tried to drive a car in UK, Ireland, Japan...? - or whatever
else country/place in this world where they have a steering wheel on the
right side? And I mean driving such a "unusual car" when you have zero
experience with right-located steering wheel and many years experience of
driving a "normal" car? And you rent such an "unusual car" and you go from
airport almost straight on highway, in the night's darkness, under the rain
etc...

If you do have such experience you know how it feels - comparing with that
experience learning Ribbon is just a child's play. I mean that. :)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

Shamil,

In fact you picked a bad example to demonstrate your old / new interface
argument.  The auto is so 
standardized that you can go anywhere around the world and the ONLY thing
that may throw you a curve 
is the steering wheel on the left / right.  The Accelerator / brake / clutch
is identical.  The 
shift patterns for manual tend to be identical, or at least similar enough
that you can very quickly 
adapt.  The column auto gear shift, virtually identical, the center auto
shift patterns, almost 
identical.

So almost any seasoned driver can go almost anywhere in the world (that I
have seen anyway), jump in 
a car and at least peel away from the bad guys.  When you get down to
lights, wipers... a handful of 
pretty standard locations.

I guess my point is that to completely redesign the interface needs a
reason... and I certainly 
don't see that reason.  Excel is still Excel, it did not undergo a radical
redesign that simply 
wouldn't work under the old interface.  Same with Word, Access etc.  In fact
I found a widget that 
would somehow convert Office 2007 to use the old interface, which completely
thrashes the "needed 
for new technology" mantra.

As for asking developers... I truly do not think so.  I have heard, and it
is admittedly pure 
hearsay, that they have a huge usability lab and they basically did
usability studies and decided 
that the usability could be enhanced.  I will not argue that.  But did they
do the usability studies 
AFTER deciding to completely change the interface, in order to make the new
one as efficient as they 
could?

MAYBE the new toolbar is more efficient for "brand new, never seen this
widget before" users.  And 
of course MS owns the product and can do with it what they want.  The
irritation comes from the fact 
that if you HAVE used the product before, if you have spent 10 years using
it, then the new toolbars 
are a huge time suck trying to adapt.

It is EXACTLY the same thing as taking a guitar and stringing it backwards
and telling Eric Clapton 
"hey, it is just a guitar, it does exactly the same thing".  Yea RIGHT.  It
does do the same thing, 
but Eric just can't play it without completely relearning the manual
interface.

Have you ever heard of the DVorak keyboard?  It is supposedly a much more
efficient design but who 
is going to go learn to use it?

You get my point.

Microsoft owns office and they are in a position to FORCE the world to
change, and that is what they 
are doing.  You can bet your bottom dollar it is for their own reasons.
Usability?  Maybe.  Or 
maybe they had lost control of the interface and had competition designing
office products that 
looked identical but were free (Open Office anyone?) and maybe a redesign
could be copyrighted or 
even patented...

MS would never admit to any such motivations but given that it is apparently
possible to install a 
widget that takes you back to the old interface, it is NOT because it was
impossible to use the old 
interface.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Thank you for your comment.
> As I noted I do not intend to start MS Access 2007 vs. MS Access X (<2007)
> discussion I just wanted to agree with Arthur therefore this will be my
> final post in this thread. 
> 
> BTW, but my previous posting I didn't mean that MS Access 2007 is
better/has
> better interface than MS Access X (<2007) - I just wanted to note that I
> like MS Access 2007 a lot when it happens to do some development with it.
I
> also didn't mean that MS likes/listen to opinions of all of MS Access
> developers and users but I'm quite sure that they(MS) do a lot of
> investigations, which involve many developers and users who do use MS
> Access/Office in their everyday work (I do not belong to this MS selected
> elite group), before they (MS) introduce the GUI changes as they did for
MS
> Office/Access 2007. 
> 
> Short note (just a note - no discussion/arguing) about "throwing away a
good
> percentage of their knowledge" - we're in IT/software development business
-
> that kind of "previous experience losses" happens every day - and more and
> more with every new day. It's inevitable. Have a look at the cars: what
> external and internal "interface" they had in 80-ies/beginning-middle of
> 90-es and what they have now? MS Access/Office interface was quite the
same
> since MS Access/Office 95/97 (and its ideas/principles are from
> 80-ies/90-ies). It was time to change it for MS Access/Office 2007. 
> 
> Not going into flame mode, not defending MS, just trying to be realistic.
> (Sure somebody will find my above passages stupid. No problem.)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Ewald
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:23 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll
> 
> One of the poll options mentioned something like "Microsoft must hate
Access
> developers." Why developers...how about users? And why stick with
> Access...all of Office was changed. Can you say "New Coke"? Microsoft took
> the best known office interface in the world and changed it, insisting
that
> its  millions (!) of users have to throw away a good percentage of their
> knowledge and start over. Not all of their knowledge, of course, but a
good
> percentage. And why? Because they had too many options to fit in their
> menuing system - their easily adaptable menuing system?
> 
> I'm not at the level of some of you, but I do Access (and Excel)
> development. Beyond that, though, I USE Access and Excel a great deal, and
> Microsoft is apparently intent on making much of my knowledge and
experience
> obsolete (How politically correct: Level the playing field by removing the
> value of experience.). 
> 
> Since I make my living using and developing Access and Excel, I'll have to
> learn the ribbon eventually, unless Microsoft decides to dump it later,
but
> I'm in no hurry. Like most companies, my employer and my current outside
> client are both in no hurry to migrate, so I'm safe for now.
> 
> Thanks for listening.
> 
> Tom Ewald
> Detroit Area
> 
> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:58:30 +0400
> <<<All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a failure to
> investigate what profound improvements lurk therein.>>>
> 
> Agreed. 
> Not going to start Access X (<2007) vs. Access 2007) flame.
> Just stating about my experience with MS Access 2007 development.
> And as you know I have intensive experience with working with MS Access
> since MS Access 1.1, especially with Access 2.0, Access 97, skipped Access
> 95, almost skipped MS Access 2000 and MS Access 2002(XP) and I have done
> quite a lot of development work with MS Access 2003. You can find software
I
> have done running all over the world for all MS Access versions including
MS
> Access 2007 - have a look www.4tops.com and www.helpgenerator.com (I do
not
> work for that company nowadays, nor have I any shares in it or any profits
> from its current business).
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug  8 14:45:41 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 23:45:41 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
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Sorry forgot to note that the car with the right-side located steering wheel
had also a mechanical gearbox...

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-----Original Message-----
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:41 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access poll

John,

Let me have this my posting as the last one in this thread? My last posting
but anybody else please feel free to comment on it but do not "force me" to
reply - OK?

Yes, my example with cars' "interfaces" evolution maybe is not that a good
analogy to comment on what and why happened with good old MS Office
CommandBars replaced by Ribbon. I prefer to not comment (a lot) on what
reasons lay behind that MS decision. I do feel the reasons were good and
real business oriented as I see that MS is releasing more and more mature
software with years both for end users, developers and system engineers. I'm
not saying I understand/can explain all their reasons. Many of them are
beyond me. But I feel good and safe with MS software. (Much) more good and
safe than before.

Have you ever tried to drive a car in UK, Ireland, Japan...? - or whatever
else country/place in this world where they have a steering wheel on the
right side? And I mean driving such a "unusual car" when you have zero
experience with right-located steering wheel and many years experience of
driving a "normal" car? And you rent such an "unusual car" and you go from
airport almost straight on highway, in the night's darkness, under the rain
etc...

If you do have such experience you know how it feels - comparing with that
experience learning Ribbon is just a child's play. I mean that. :)

Thank you.

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

Shamil,

In fact you picked a bad example to demonstrate your old / new interface
argument.  The auto is so 
standardized that you can go anywhere around the world and the ONLY thing
that may throw you a curve 
is the steering wheel on the left / right.  The Accelerator / brake / clutch
is identical.  The 
shift patterns for manual tend to be identical, or at least similar enough
that you can very quickly 
adapt.  The column auto gear shift, virtually identical, the center auto
shift patterns, almost 
identical.

So almost any seasoned driver can go almost anywhere in the world (that I
have seen anyway), jump in 
a car and at least peel away from the bad guys.  When you get down to
lights, wipers... a handful of 
pretty standard locations.

I guess my point is that to completely redesign the interface needs a
reason... and I certainly 
don't see that reason.  Excel is still Excel, it did not undergo a radical
redesign that simply 
wouldn't work under the old interface.  Same with Word, Access etc.  In fact
I found a widget that 
would somehow convert Office 2007 to use the old interface, which completely
thrashes the "needed 
for new technology" mantra.

As for asking developers... I truly do not think so.  I have heard, and it
is admittedly pure 
hearsay, that they have a huge usability lab and they basically did
usability studies and decided 
that the usability could be enhanced.  I will not argue that.  But did they
do the usability studies 
AFTER deciding to completely change the interface, in order to make the new
one as efficient as they 
could?

MAYBE the new toolbar is more efficient for "brand new, never seen this
widget before" users.  And 
of course MS owns the product and can do with it what they want.  The
irritation comes from the fact 
that if you HAVE used the product before, if you have spent 10 years using
it, then the new toolbars 
are a huge time suck trying to adapt.

It is EXACTLY the same thing as taking a guitar and stringing it backwards
and telling Eric Clapton 
"hey, it is just a guitar, it does exactly the same thing".  Yea RIGHT.  It
does do the same thing, 
but Eric just can't play it without completely relearning the manual
interface.

Have you ever heard of the DVorak keyboard?  It is supposedly a much more
efficient design but who 
is going to go learn to use it?

You get my point.

Microsoft owns office and they are in a position to FORCE the world to
change, and that is what they 
are doing.  You can bet your bottom dollar it is for their own reasons.
Usability?  Maybe.  Or 
maybe they had lost control of the interface and had competition designing
office products that 
looked identical but were free (Open Office anyone?) and maybe a redesign
could be copyrighted or 
even patented...

MS would never admit to any such motivations but given that it is apparently
possible to install a 
widget that takes you back to the old interface, it is NOT because it was
impossible to use the old 
interface.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Thank you for your comment.
> As I noted I do not intend to start MS Access 2007 vs. MS Access X (<2007)
> discussion I just wanted to agree with Arthur therefore this will be my
> final post in this thread. 
> 
> BTW, but my previous posting I didn't mean that MS Access 2007 is
better/has
> better interface than MS Access X (<2007) - I just wanted to note that I
> like MS Access 2007 a lot when it happens to do some development with it.
I
> also didn't mean that MS likes/listen to opinions of all of MS Access
> developers and users but I'm quite sure that they(MS) do a lot of
> investigations, which involve many developers and users who do use MS
> Access/Office in their everyday work (I do not belong to this MS selected
> elite group), before they (MS) introduce the GUI changes as they did for
MS
> Office/Access 2007. 
> 
> Short note (just a note - no discussion/arguing) about "throwing away a
good
> percentage of their knowledge" - we're in IT/software development business
-
> that kind of "previous experience losses" happens every day - and more and
> more with every new day. It's inevitable. Have a look at the cars: what
> external and internal "interface" they had in 80-ies/beginning-middle of
> 90-es and what they have now? MS Access/Office interface was quite the
same
> since MS Access/Office 95/97 (and its ideas/principles are from
> 80-ies/90-ies). It was time to change it for MS Access/Office 2007. 
> 
> Not going into flame mode, not defending MS, just trying to be realistic.
> (Sure somebody will find my above passages stupid. No problem.)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Ewald
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:23 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll
> 
> One of the poll options mentioned something like "Microsoft must hate
Access
> developers." Why developers...how about users? And why stick with
> Access...all of Office was changed. Can you say "New Coke"? Microsoft took
> the best known office interface in the world and changed it, insisting
that
> its  millions (!) of users have to throw away a good percentage of their
> knowledge and start over. Not all of their knowledge, of course, but a
good
> percentage. And why? Because they had too many options to fit in their
> menuing system - their easily adaptable menuing system?
> 
> I'm not at the level of some of you, but I do Access (and Excel)
> development. Beyond that, though, I USE Access and Excel a great deal, and
> Microsoft is apparently intent on making much of my knowledge and
experience
> obsolete (How politically correct: Level the playing field by removing the
> value of experience.). 
> 
> Since I make my living using and developing Access and Excel, I'll have to
> learn the ribbon eventually, unless Microsoft decides to dump it later,
but
> I'm in no hurry. Like most companies, my employer and my current outside
> client are both in no hurry to migrate, so I'm safe for now.
> 
> Thanks for listening.
> 
> Tom Ewald
> Detroit Area
> 
> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:58:30 +0400
> <<<All the bad-mouthing about Access 2007 is based on a failure to
> investigate what profound improvements lurk therein.>>>
> 
> Agreed. 
> Not going to start Access X (<2007) vs. Access 2007) flame.
> Just stating about my experience with MS Access 2007 development.
> And as you know I have intensive experience with working with MS Access
> since MS Access 1.1, especially with Access 2.0, Access 97, skipped Access
> 95, almost skipped MS Access 2000 and MS Access 2002(XP) and I have done
> quite a lot of development work with MS Access 2003. You can find software
I
> have done running all over the world for all MS Access versions including
MS
> Access 2007 - have a look www.4tops.com and www.helpgenerator.com (I do
not
> work for that company nowadays, nor have I any shares in it or any profits
> from its current business).
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
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> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug  8 15:26:28 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:26:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Access poll
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ROTFL, I get your point, but I have a choice don't I to rent a "mechanical gearbox".  I did drive in 
Ireland and just made sure I specified an automatic, and it was a relative piece of cake.  It was 
definitely strange, for the entire time, but I don't drink and I had absolutely zero problems 
driving there.

I certainly don't need to start the whole discussion all over again, nor do are you required to 
respond ever again.

Do I feel "Safe" with Microsoft?  Sure.  Do I think they have MY best interests at heart. 
Absolutely not!  Do I think they have Microsoft's best interests at heart?  Absolutely!  IF my best 
interests don't conflict with theirs then fine, otherwise to bad for JC.

I too think they are developing some truly world class software.  I think the .Net framework is 
unparalleled in the world today.  Did they do it for me?  Not a chance, they did it to force me to 
stay on windows.  It makes many many different things possible (even trivial) that might very well 
be impossible in a Linux environment.

But it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME, personally or as a developer that they went to 
this huge expense.

I just FEEL that it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME that they did the Office interface 
redesign.  I think it was best for Microsoft.

That is the way of the world, and I understand that.  But when someone who owns the guitar market 
suddenly strings backwards all guitars sold in the future, for no other apparent reason than that it 
is good for their company, I don't have to like it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Sorry forgot to note that the car with the right-side located steering wheel
> had also a mechanical gearbox...
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:41 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access poll
> 
> John,
> 
> Let me have this my posting as the last one in this thread? My last posting
> but anybody else please feel free to comment on it but do not "force me" to
> reply - OK?
> 
> Yes, my example with cars' "interfaces" evolution maybe is not that a good
> analogy to comment on what and why happened with good old MS Office
> CommandBars replaced by Ribbon. I prefer to not comment (a lot) on what
> reasons lay behind that MS decision. I do feel the reasons were good and
> real business oriented as I see that MS is releasing more and more mature
> software with years both for end users, developers and system engineers. I'm
> not saying I understand/can explain all their reasons. Many of them are
> beyond me. But I feel good and safe with MS software. (Much) more good and
> safe than before.
> 
> Have you ever tried to drive a car in UK, Ireland, Japan...? - or whatever
> else country/place in this world where they have a steering wheel on the
> right side? And I mean driving such a "unusual car" when you have zero
> experience with right-located steering wheel and many years experience of
> driving a "normal" car? And you rent such an "unusual car" and you go from
> airport almost straight on highway, in the night's darkness, under the rain
> etc...
> 
> If you do have such experience you know how it feels - comparing with that
> experience learning Ribbon is just a child's play. I mean that. :)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil



From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sat Aug  8 15:47:40 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 15:47:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
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I am not too surprised at that.  Look at the population explosion since
2000.  

Access 97 was launched before Windows 98, and around the time of NT 4.0.
While there are many that used it then, like myself, whose first
introduction to Access was 97 (earlier versions like 95 and 2.0 I have
seen and interacted with, but I started with 97), or who had been with
earlier versions might pick 97 as a first or second pick, the larger
crowd that never worked with 97 would not have a reference to it.

Keep in mind that a lot of exposure to Access is going to come from
either what a company or new personal computer uses.  So if a person
being introduced to Access only starts in 2001, they are more then
likely to have 2000 in use, not 97.  Same with purchasing a computer.

So if you really want to weight your poll correctly, you should ask for
the favorite version, WEIGHTED by the version available when they first
were exposed.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:52 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1746

Here ya go -- poll on favorite version of Access is up. :) 2003 is
winning 
with 56%. Surprisingly, 2007 is second with 17% -- I expected 97 to come
in 
second.

Susan H. 

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From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Sat Aug  8 16:12:00 2009
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:12:00 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
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Susan, I think 97 was such a relief for those of us who had
struggled with the mess of pottage called Access95 that we
naturally have a soft spot for the de-constipation that was
Access97.  I was at Advisor DevCon in Nashville Spring of
1997 and when the Microsoft rep announced the changes (and
fixes!) from 95, he actually got a sustained round of
applause.  Not often one sees that.

Stephen Bond
 

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Sent: Sunday, 9 August 2009 9:01 a.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access poll

I am not too surprised at that.  Look at the population
explosion since 2000.  

Access 97 was launched before Windows 98, and around the
time of NT 4.0.
While there are many that used it then, like myself, whose
first introduction to Access was 97 (earlier versions like
95 and 2.0 I have seen and interacted with, but I started
with 97), or who had been with earlier versions might pick
97 as a first or second pick, the larger crowd that never
worked with 97 would not have a reference to it.

Keep in mind that a lot of exposure to Access is going to
come from either what a company or new personal computer
uses.  So if a person being introduced to Access only starts
in 2001, they are more then likely to have 2000 in use, not
97.  Same with purchasing a computer.

So if you really want to weight your poll correctly, you
should ask for the favorite version, WEIGHTED by the version
available when they first were exposed.

Drew

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Susan Harkins
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:52 AM
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1746

Here ya go -- poll on favorite version of Access is up. :)
2003 is winning with 56%. Surprisingly, 2007 is second with
17% -- I expected 97 to come in second.

Susan H. 

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug  8 16:20:44 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:20:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access poll
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/07/microsoft_word_patent/

A different subject primarily, but this snippet towarsd the end:
<quote>
Bootnote

OpenOffice, touted by many as an alternative to Microsoft's Office, is destined to look a 
whole lot more like its prime competitive target in the near future. The largely Sun-
Microsystems-backed OpenOffice has revealed a planned new look and feel that adopts the 
ribbon interface Microsoft introduced to its own productivity suite with Office 2007.

The change, part of Project Renaissance, is a risky move: Microsoft's ribbon interface has 
served to confuse rather than help users, because of its departure from the familiar drop-
down system of menus to access hidden features. You can see the change here
<http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/prototyping_a_new_ui_july />.
</quote>

One comment on the linked page sum up my concern about the ribbon - there are lots more 
which essentially make the same point.:

"Since 2004 over 90% of the sold new monitors have been widescreen. Whenever possible 
spare the vertical space for actual user instead of ui elements."

-- 
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On 8 Aug 2009 at 15:09, jwcolby wrote:

> Microsoft owns office and they are in a position to FORCE the world to change, and that is what they 
> are doing.  You can bet your bottom dollar it is for their own reasons.  Usability?  Maybe.  Or 
> maybe they had lost control of the interface and had competition designing office products that 
> looked identical but were free (Open Office anyone?) and maybe a redesign could be copyrighted or 
> even patented...
> 



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug  8 16:44:42 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 01:44:42 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon
Message-ID: <001801ca1871$717478b0$545d6a10$@spb.ru>

Hi All,

 

>From last Stuart posting's link I have got to this presentation:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4&feature=channel>
&feature=channel

 

It looks interesting, I have never seen it before, and you?

 

Happy watching.

 

Thank you.

 

--

Shamil



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug  8 17:01:49 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 02:01:49 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon
Message-ID: <001d01ca1873$d5553fc0$7fffbf40$@spb.ru>

.continued.

 

Very impressive - MS Word Live Preview:

 

Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon (2 of 10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYg647Jx7Y8
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYg647Jx7Y8&NR=1> &NR=1

 

as well as MS Research process's and "Sense of Mastery" notes:

 

Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon (3 of 10)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i3E-ZfMVNQ
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i3E-ZfMVNQ&feature=related>
&feature=related 

 

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From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:45 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon

 

Hi All,

 

>From last Stuart posting's link I have got to this presentation:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4&feature=channel>
&feature=channel

 

It looks interesting, I have never seen it before, and you?

 

Happy watching.

 

Thank you.

 

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Shamil



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sun Aug  9 00:48:30 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:48:30 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Access poll
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Hi John,

Yes, ROTFLA. Sorry, I will post one more comment on that experience as it is
related to MS Access 2007 (it's Sunday - let me violate slightly the rules):

- during that business trip I did have a choice to use automatic gearbox but
I didn't, and I didn't also get full insurance car leaving franchise payment
in the case of a small car damage shared with my colleague. I'd also note
that this rented car's accelerator's and clutch's pedals were much more
sensitive than the ones of mine (I do have some fitness training for my legs
while driving the car :)) (when I have got back home and tried to start my
car I was first time a kind of shocked how hard is to push my own car's
accelerator's pedal) - for the rest that was very good car and driving left
hand side wasn't as big issue as using mechanical gearbox and turning left
on crossroads without the risk to damage car wheels' tires etc... 

...as for Access 2007 - I have used it during that business trip on everyday
basis for project's support work, and that was very stressful project with
long working hours till 2a.m. sometimes, with 6-7 a.m. getting awaken and
then back to work at 9 a.m. - and you know I haven't got any issues with the
Ribbon - I felt it was OK and designed *right* for me :) ...

You can guess now why I felt so good that time, and I feel so good now with
the usage of MS Office/Access Ribbon. :)

Advise for the folks who still won't/can't overcome "the Ribbon adaptation
phobia": try to experience something like I did (or more stressful
experience - sky-diving? :)) and do use MS Office 2007/Access 2007 the same
time - and you'll get it *right* for you! ;)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. But "Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon" thread explains
everything, isn't it? Maybe MS folks weren't so careful with the Ribbon
implementation for MS Access 2007, as they were with MS Word 2007, MS Excel
2007,... - who knows. Maybe using statistical analysis and eyes' movement
tracing isn't the best way to design GUI - we will know that soon when MS
Office 2000-2003 will go out of usage and MS Office/Access 2007 and higher
will become widespread for the most of users and developers....

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Access poll

ROTFL, I get your point, but I have a choice don't I to rent a "mechanical
gearbox".  I did drive in 
Ireland and just made sure I specified an automatic, and it was a relative
piece of cake.  It was 
definitely strange, for the entire time, but I don't drink and I had
absolutely zero problems 
driving there.

I certainly don't need to start the whole discussion all over again, nor do
are you required to 
respond ever again.

Do I feel "Safe" with Microsoft?  Sure.  Do I think they have MY best
interests at heart. 
Absolutely not!  Do I think they have Microsoft's best interests at heart?
Absolutely!  IF my best 
interests don't conflict with theirs then fine, otherwise to bad for JC.

I too think they are developing some truly world class software.  I think
the .Net framework is 
unparalleled in the world today.  Did they do it for me?  Not a chance, they
did it to force me to 
stay on windows.  It makes many many different things possible (even
trivial) that might very well 
be impossible in a Linux environment.

But it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME, personally or as a
developer that they went to 
this huge expense.

I just FEEL that it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME that they
did the Office interface 
redesign.  I think it was best for Microsoft.

That is the way of the world, and I understand that.  But when someone who
owns the guitar market 
suddenly strings backwards all guitars sold in the future, for no other
apparent reason than that it 
is good for their company, I don't have to like it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Sorry forgot to note that the car with the right-side located steering
wheel
> had also a mechanical gearbox...
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:41 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access poll
> 
> John,
> 
> Let me have this my posting as the last one in this thread? My last
posting
> but anybody else please feel free to comment on it but do not "force me"
to
> reply - OK?
> 
> Yes, my example with cars' "interfaces" evolution maybe is not that a good
> analogy to comment on what and why happened with good old MS Office
> CommandBars replaced by Ribbon. I prefer to not comment (a lot) on what
> reasons lay behind that MS decision. I do feel the reasons were good and
> real business oriented as I see that MS is releasing more and more mature
> software with years both for end users, developers and system engineers.
I'm
> not saying I understand/can explain all their reasons. Many of them are
> beyond me. But I feel good and safe with MS software. (Much) more good and
> safe than before.
> 
> Have you ever tried to drive a car in UK, Ireland, Japan...? - or whatever
> else country/place in this world where they have a steering wheel on the
> right side? And I mean driving such a "unusual car" when you have zero
> experience with right-located steering wheel and many years experience of
> driving a "normal" car? And you rent such an "unusual car" and you go from
> airport almost straight on highway, in the night's darkness, under the
rain
> etc...
> 
> If you do have such experience you know how it feels - comparing with that
> experience learning Ribbon is just a child's play. I mean that. :)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug  9 02:42:16 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:42:16 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon
Message-ID: <sa7e9a03.015@cactus.dk>

Hi Shamil

No, haven't seen this. Very interesting.
By the way, I didn't know that Kermit the Frog worked at MS ...

/gustav


>>> shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru 08-08-2009 23:44 >>>
Hi All,

>From last Stuart posting's link I have got to this presentation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4 

It looks interesting, I have never seen it before, and you?

Happy watching.

Thank you.

--
Shamil





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 03:41:26 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:41:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Debug.Print Statements
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908080558k249584cdx58194d1921c0000d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29f585dd0908080558k249584cdx58194d1921c0000d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a7e8bca.1c07d00a.381f.ffffc0e9@mx.google.com>

Hi Arthur,
Don't know if you have had a response to this but I have something similar
on my system but what it does is to write a line to say it had entered a
function/sub and again when it left so that I could track where bottlenecks
were or areas for improvement, how long it was in the function, etc.  

It was turned on/off from a button on a form.  The output was written to a
table and could be viewed from a form.

Because it was writing records it would, I think, be a bit slower then
writing a debug.print statement but the overall impact was very noticeable
when it was on/off.

HTH

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: 08 August 2009 13:59
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Cost of Debug.Print Statements

Almost all of my proven, reusable code uses a constant to encase Debug.Print
statements in If/EndIf. But typically in the actual application code I just
plonk in Debug.Print statements so that I can see what's going on during
development. But suddenly I'm curious as to the overall impact on
performance. How much does a Debug.Print statement cost you?
And while we're on the subject, in all my years of coding Access, I have
never once used Debug.Assert. I would assume that it works like the Assert
statement in other languages I've used. Does anyone use it and if so when
and where?

Arthur
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 05:03:34 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:03:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7D7392.8050900@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7D06C8.15688.5E3B172@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<008f01ca1809$6ac5a330$715ea27a@personald6374f>	<4a7d5088.0a1ad00a.1d16.ffffd14e@mx.google.com>
	<4A7D7392.8050900@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a7e9f11.0a04d00a.0a6d.ffffdd7f@mx.google.com>

Very interesting John,

FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
exist at the time when the object was created.

Thanks for the effort.

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 05:04:10 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:04:10 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Moderator Message
In-Reply-To: <4A7D6FD3.17451.77E065D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4a7ca155.0a04d00a.067d.ffffd2c2@mx.google.com>,
	<007f01ca1812$0fb182d0$2f148870$@spb.ru>,
	<4a7d616a.0508d00a.423b.ffffea73@mx.google.com>
	<4A7D6FD3.17451.77E065D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a7e9f35.0508d00a.5d0f.3ffc@mx.google.com>

You make some good observations there Stuart, particularly with regard to
the MetaDescriptors and front page etc.
The design you suggest works for me.
Thanks
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 08 August 2009 13:30
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message

I wouldn't like to see AccessD watered down.  It should remain Access
oriented and named 
accordingly otherwise we will cease to be a major source of Access
expertise.

I'd suggest that we  need one other developer related list which would cover
all the other 
technologies we are integrating Access with or using Access in (DBA-Dev ?).
This would 
cover technologies such as virtualisation, web integration etc. as well as
development 
environments (SQL Server/VB etc) and other Tech matters.

 I've just had a thought.  Some have been asking why the participation rate
has gone down 
on Access-D, why we are not attracting new members or why it doesn't figure
more 
prominently on search engines.  So I just had another look at 
http://www.databaseadvisors.com.   

You have to search really hard through the site before you even find a
reference to Access.

You certainly can't tell from the entrance page that our main interest is
Access solutions or 
that we are a source for solving Access problems.  The first thing a  casual
visitor sees is 
advertisements for:

A Sharepoint book
A .Net project
Microsoft Training for Windows 7
Conficker Test
An article on Office Addins
Microsoft's Azure platform
....


and just to rub it in, here's the Description from the headers on each page:

	<meta name="description" content="Database Advisors was founded in
order to 
provide developers, using primarily .Net, VB, SQL and C# a place to discuss
what we do, 
why we do it, what works and what doesn't." />

No mention of Access!

Maybe it's time for a redesign?

-- 
Stuart


On 8 Aug 2009 at 12:28, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Sorry Shamil,
> 
> I must totally disagree with this.  This is a top-down approach from a.

> systems analyst.
> 
> But we are not talking here about a software solution but a "People"
> solution.
> 
> IMO you have too many, far too many, divisions.  Most of my IT stuff
crosses
> these borders time and time again.
> 
> I would say we need only 3 lists.
> 
> 1. DBA-IT (your AccessD, DBA-VB, DBA-IT below, anything MS related really)
-
> these all intermingle for me time and time again.
> 
> 2. DBBA-Tech - Anything computer/development related which does not fall
> under 1.
> 
> 3. DBA-OT - Anything - General chat.
> 
> The Friday OT relaxation can be maintained/stopped - I have no preference.
> 
> I would not like to see a plethora of Lists because they do not reflect
real
> life development.
> I am not doing .net etc but love reading about it (osmosis learning) and
if
> a subject comes up which I am not at all interested in, I just click
Delete.
> 
> I am currently working on a project which involves Access, VBScript and
.HTA
> (HTML) within the one project.  I would like to post this to just No.1
above
> and not bit-wise across three lists.
> 
> 
> Well, there we go.  My 2 Roubles <g>
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: 08 August 2009 11:22
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Here is my proposal on AccessD discussions rules:
> 
> AccessD - MS Access/VBA only
> 
> dba-VB  - VB.NET/C#/.NET only
> 
> dba-IT  - MS Access/Office/VBA/MS SQL/C#/VB.NET/.NET Framework
>           /MS Windows System/Hardware etc. - practical, final 
>           result oriented, everyday software development
>           business discussions...
> 
> dba-IT-OT - IT development related stuff - any, including 
>           discussions of conceptual/computer science stuff...
> 
> dba-IT-ChitChat - Friday Humor, Max vs. JC (and similar) jokes e-mail
> ping-pong etc.
> 
> dba-OT - everything.
> 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug  9 05:36:23 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 12:36:23 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
Message-ID: <sa7ec2eb.016@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

A surprise is waiting you. Try to, say, create a table by calling another function and read it from your db object; it isn't there until you do a db.Refresh. So:

.. you ARE actually looking at the DB object as is when initialized or refreshed - including subsequent changes made in the current context.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 12:03 >>>
Very interesting John,

FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
exist at the time when the object was created.

Thanks for the effort.

Max




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug  9 06:14:51 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:14:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <sa7ec2eb.016@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7ec2eb.016@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4A7EAFAB.24385.C5F6B60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Also  this from Access 2003 VBA Help:

Note In previous versions of Microsoft Access, you may have used the syntax 
DBEngine.Workspaces(0).Databases(0) or DBEngine(0)(0) to return a pointer 
to the current database. In Microsoft Access 2000, you should use the CurrentDb 
method instead. The CurrentDb method creates another instance of the current 
database, while the DBEngine(0)(0) syntax refers to the open copy of the current 
database. The CurrentDb method enables you to create more than one variable of type 
Database that refers to the current database. Microsoft Access still supports the 
DBEngine(0)(0) syntax, but you should consider making this modification to your 
code in order to avoid possible conflicts in a multiuser database.

So I'm going to stick with CurrentDB unless I am looking at a speed critical application.

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Aug 2009 at 12:36, Gustav Brock wrote:

> Hi Max
> 
> A surprise is waiting you. Try to, say, create a table by calling
> another function and read it from your db object; it isn't there until
> you do a db.Refresh. So: 
> 
> .. you ARE actually looking at the DB object as is when initialized or
> refreshed - including subsequent changes made in the current context. 
> 
> /gustav
> 
> >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 12:03 >>>
> Very interesting John,
> 
> FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.
> 
> So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
> know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
> exist at the time when the object was created.
> 
> Thanks for the effort.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug  9 07:17:39 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:17:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Access poll
In-Reply-To: <002801ca18b5$071fc430$155f4c90$@spb.ru>
References: <mailman.1.1249750800.11554.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<0BD071592BCC40F5A5DCB493EDDD9B68@desktop08>	<000801ca1854$38edaba0$aac902e0$@spb.ru>	<4A7DCD64.1050204@colbyconsulting.com>	<000b01ca1860$d1566e70$74034b50$@spb.ru>	<4A7DDF74.6060406@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002801ca18b5$071fc430$155f4c90$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4A7EBE63.4020206@colbyconsulting.com>

Shamil,

Yes, I have to say the video did explain everything.  And what they are doing certainly appears to 
make sense, certainly from the users perspective.  The problem of course is that as developers we 
often want to channel the user.  We develop applications, our users aren't creating a brochure, our 
users are manipulating an entire application that their company paid us to develop, which allows 
them to do this, and doesn't allow them to do that.  Perhaps the tool bar makes our jobs easier as 
developers?

But at the end of the day, unlike Word or Excel or Powerpoint... the tool bars have to go away so 
that our applications can channel our users.  Or at the very least the tool bars have to be specific 
to what our users are allowed to do inside of our applications.

I was impressed at the level of analysis that went into the design of the tool bars, the amount of 
raw data that they can capture using the "assist Microsoft" collection effort.  I ALWAYS say yes to 
those questions for this very reason, letting MS kn ow what is being used and how is useful I think, 
to them and to me (maybe).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> Yes, ROTFLA. Sorry, I will post one more comment on that experience as it is
> related to MS Access 2007 (it's Sunday - let me violate slightly the rules):
> 
> - during that business trip I did have a choice to use automatic gearbox but
> I didn't, and I didn't also get full insurance car leaving franchise payment
> in the case of a small car damage shared with my colleague. I'd also note
> that this rented car's accelerator's and clutch's pedals were much more
> sensitive than the ones of mine (I do have some fitness training for my legs
> while driving the car :)) (when I have got back home and tried to start my
> car I was first time a kind of shocked how hard is to push my own car's
> accelerator's pedal) - for the rest that was very good car and driving left
> hand side wasn't as big issue as using mechanical gearbox and turning left
> on crossroads without the risk to damage car wheels' tires etc... 
> 
> ...as for Access 2007 - I have used it during that business trip on everyday
> basis for project's support work, and that was very stressful project with
> long working hours till 2a.m. sometimes, with 6-7 a.m. getting awaken and
> then back to work at 9 a.m. - and you know I haven't got any issues with the
> Ribbon - I felt it was OK and designed *right* for me :) ...
> 
> You can guess now why I felt so good that time, and I feel so good now with
> the usage of MS Office/Access Ribbon. :)
> 
> Advise for the folks who still won't/can't overcome "the Ribbon adaptation
> phobia": try to experience something like I did (or more stressful
> experience - sky-diving? :)) and do use MS Office 2007/Access 2007 the same
> time - and you'll get it *right* for you! ;)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> P.S. But "Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon" thread explains
> everything, isn't it? Maybe MS folks weren't so careful with the Ribbon
> implementation for MS Access 2007, as they were with MS Word 2007, MS Excel
> 2007,... - who knows. Maybe using statistical analysis and eyes' movement
> tracing isn't the best way to design GUI - we will know that soon when MS
> Office 2000-2003 will go out of usage and MS Office/Access 2007 and higher
> will become widespread for the most of users and developers....



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug  9 07:19:16 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:19:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4a7e9f11.0a04d00a.0a6d.ffffdd7f@mx.google.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7D06C8.15688.5E3B172@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<008f01ca1809$6ac5a330$715ea27a@personald6374f>	<4a7d5088.0a1ad00a.1d16.ffffd14e@mx.google.com>	<4A7D7392.8050900@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4a7e9f11.0a04d00a.0a6d.ffffdd7f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7EBEC4.9080607@colbyconsulting.com>

 > FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

Yep, and the amount of time obviously increases as the db gets larger, but also of course varies by 
speed of the machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Very interesting John,
> 
> FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.
> 
> So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
> know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
> exist at the time when the object was created.
> 
> Thanks for the effort.
> 
> Max
> 
> 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug  9 09:16:27 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 10:16:27 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Access poll
Message-ID: <380-22009809141627476@M2W009.mail2web.com>

My biggest problem with the ribbon is not designing with it but having one
of my 03 app forms which take the full screen get cut off at the bottom. 
This headache will go away someday as 03 is obsolete but I think I'll be
retired or dead by them.  I just sold one of my packaged systems to a small
company that's still on A2K.  

You see a lot of my business is selling and supporting a canned app - so it
has to be compatible with 2000, 2002, 2003, 2007, and soon 2010.

I have code in my 03 apps that checks the version and turns off the ribbon
which saves redesigning the form.  So far I haven't had the luxury of
designing a fresh app on 07 because the client was entirely an 07 site.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:48:30 +0400
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Access poll


Hi John,

Yes, ROTFLA. Sorry, I will post one more comment on that experience as it is
related to MS Access 2007 (it's Sunday - let me violate slightly the rules):

- during that business trip I did have a choice to use automatic gearbox but
I didn't, and I didn't also get full insurance car leaving franchise payment
in the case of a small car damage shared with my colleague. I'd also note
that this rented car's accelerator's and clutch's pedals were much more
sensitive than the ones of mine (I do have some fitness training for my legs
while driving the car :)) (when I have got back home and tried to start my
car I was first time a kind of shocked how hard is to push my own car's
accelerator's pedal) - for the rest that was very good car and driving left
hand side wasn't as big issue as using mechanical gearbox and turning left
on crossroads without the risk to damage car wheels' tires etc... 

...as for Access 2007 - I have used it during that business trip on everyday
basis for project's support work, and that was very stressful project with
long working hours till 2a.m. sometimes, with 6-7 a.m. getting awaken and
then back to work at 9 a.m. - and you know I haven't got any issues with the
Ribbon - I felt it was OK and designed *right* for me :) ...

You can guess now why I felt so good that time, and I feel so good now with
the usage of MS Office/Access Ribbon. :)

Advise for the folks who still won't/can't overcome "the Ribbon adaptation
phobia": try to experience something like I did (or more stressful
experience - sky-diving? :)) and do use MS Office 2007/Access 2007 the same
time - and you'll get it *right* for you! ;)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. But "Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon" thread explains
everything, isn't it? Maybe MS folks weren't so careful with the Ribbon
implementation for MS Access 2007, as they were with MS Word 2007, MS Excel
2007,... - who knows. Maybe using statistical analysis and eyes' movement
tracing isn't the best way to design GUI - we will know that soon when MS
Office 2000-2003 will go out of usage and MS Office/Access 2007 and higher
will become widespread for the most of users and developers....

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:26 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Access poll

ROTFL, I get your point, but I have a choice don't I to rent a "mechanical
gearbox".  I did drive in 
Ireland and just made sure I specified an automatic, and it was a relative
piece of cake.  It was 
definitely strange, for the entire time, but I don't drink and I had
absolutely zero problems 
driving there.

I certainly don't need to start the whole discussion all over again, nor do
are you required to 
respond ever again.

Do I feel "Safe" with Microsoft?  Sure.  Do I think they have MY best
interests at heart. 
Absolutely not!  Do I think they have Microsoft's best interests at heart?
Absolutely!  IF my best 
interests don't conflict with theirs then fine, otherwise to bad for JC.

I too think they are developing some truly world class software.  I think
the .Net framework is 
unparalleled in the world today.  Did they do it for me?  Not a chance, they
did it to force me to 
stay on windows.  It makes many many different things possible (even
trivial) that might very well 
be impossible in a Linux environment.

But it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME, personally or as a
developer that they went to 
this huge expense.

I just FEEL that it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME that they
did the Office interface 
redesign.  I think it was best for Microsoft.

That is the way of the world, and I understand that.  But when someone who
owns the guitar market 
suddenly strings backwards all guitars sold in the future, for no other
apparent reason than that it 
is good for their company, I don't have to like it.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Sorry forgot to note that the car with the right-side located steering
wheel
> had also a mechanical gearbox...
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:41 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access poll
> 
> John,
> 
> Let me have this my posting as the last one in this thread? My last
posting
> but anybody else please feel free to comment on it but do not "force me"
to
> reply - OK?
> 
> Yes, my example with cars' "interfaces" evolution maybe is not that a good
> analogy to comment on what and why happened with good old MS Office
> CommandBars replaced by Ribbon. I prefer to not comment (a lot) on what
> reasons lay behind that MS decision. I do feel the reasons were good and
> real business oriented as I see that MS is releasing more and more mature
> software with years both for end users, developers and system engineers.
I'm
> not saying I understand/can explain all their reasons. Many of them are
> beyond me. But I feel good and safe with MS software. (Much) more good and
> safe than before.
> 
> Have you ever tried to drive a car in UK, Ireland, Japan...? - or whatever
> else country/place in this world where they have a steering wheel on the
> right side? And I mean driving such a "unusual car" when you have zero
> experience with right-located steering wheel and many years experience of
> driving a "normal" car? And you rent such an "unusual car" and you go from
> airport almost straight on highway, in the night's darkness, under the
rain
> etc...
> 
> If you do have such experience you know how it feels - comparing with that
> experience learning Ribbon is just a child's play. I mean that. :)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug  9 10:41:09 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:41:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Access poll
In-Reply-To: <380-22009809141627476@M2W009.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22009809141627476@M2W009.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <4A7EEE15.8000201@colbyconsulting.com>

And this is a good part of my problem as well.  Access is not a word processor or a spreadsheet, it 
is a Rapid Application Development ENVIRONMENT as well as an application that runs an APPLICATION. 
As such the tool bars should be targeted to the DEVELOPER, to make his job easier, but it should 
also be completely and EASILY removable so that the developed application can be displayed without 
the tool bars if that is what is required.

It is this last piece that is missing, entirely and with malice and forethought missing.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


rockysmolin at bchacc.com wrote:
> My biggest problem with the ribbon is not designing with it but having one
> of my 03 app forms which take the full screen get cut off at the bottom. 
> This headache will go away someday as 03 is obsolete but I think I'll be
> retired or dead by them.  I just sold one of my packaged systems to a small
> company that's still on A2K.  
> 
> You see a lot of my business is selling and supporting a canned app - so it
> has to be compatible with 2000, 2002, 2003, 2007, and soon 2010.
> 
> I have code in my 03 apps that checks the version and turns off the ribbon
> which saves redesigning the form.  So far I haven't had the luxury of
> designing a fresh app on 07 because the client was entirely an 07 site.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru
> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:48:30 +0400
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Access poll
> 
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Yes, ROTFLA. Sorry, I will post one more comment on that experience as it is
> related to MS Access 2007 (it's Sunday - let me violate slightly the rules):
> 
> - during that business trip I did have a choice to use automatic gearbox but
> I didn't, and I didn't also get full insurance car leaving franchise payment
> in the case of a small car damage shared with my colleague. I'd also note
> that this rented car's accelerator's and clutch's pedals were much more
> sensitive than the ones of mine (I do have some fitness training for my legs
> while driving the car :)) (when I have got back home and tried to start my
> car I was first time a kind of shocked how hard is to push my own car's
> accelerator's pedal) - for the rest that was very good car and driving left
> hand side wasn't as big issue as using mechanical gearbox and turning left
> on crossroads without the risk to damage car wheels' tires etc... 
> 
> ...as for Access 2007 - I have used it during that business trip on everyday
> basis for project's support work, and that was very stressful project with
> long working hours till 2a.m. sometimes, with 6-7 a.m. getting awaken and
> then back to work at 9 a.m. - and you know I haven't got any issues with the
> Ribbon - I felt it was OK and designed *right* for me :) ...
> 
> You can guess now why I felt so good that time, and I feel so good now with
> the usage of MS Office/Access Ribbon. :)
> 
> Advise for the folks who still won't/can't overcome "the Ribbon adaptation
> phobia": try to experience something like I did (or more stressful
> experience - sky-diving? :)) and do use MS Office 2007/Access 2007 the same
> time - and you'll get it *right* for you! ;)
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> P.S. But "Microsoft Office 2007: The Story of the Ribbon" thread explains
> everything, isn't it? Maybe MS folks weren't so careful with the Ribbon
> implementation for MS Access 2007, as they were with MS Word 2007, MS Excel
> 2007,... - who knows. Maybe using statistical analysis and eyes' movement
> tracing isn't the best way to design GUI - we will know that soon when MS
> Office 2000-2003 will go out of usage and MS Office/Access 2007 and higher
> will become widespread for the most of users and developers....
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:26 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Access poll
> 
> ROTFL, I get your point, but I have a choice don't I to rent a "mechanical
> gearbox".  I did drive in 
> Ireland and just made sure I specified an automatic, and it was a relative
> piece of cake.  It was 
> definitely strange, for the entire time, but I don't drink and I had
> absolutely zero problems 
> driving there.
> 
> I certainly don't need to start the whole discussion all over again, nor do
> are you required to 
> respond ever again.
> 
> Do I feel "Safe" with Microsoft?  Sure.  Do I think they have MY best
> interests at heart. 
> Absolutely not!  Do I think they have Microsoft's best interests at heart?
> Absolutely!  IF my best 
> interests don't conflict with theirs then fine, otherwise to bad for JC.
> 
> I too think they are developing some truly world class software.  I think
> the .Net framework is 
> unparalleled in the world today.  Did they do it for me?  Not a chance, they
> did it to force me to 
> stay on windows.  It makes many many different things possible (even
> trivial) that might very well 
> be impossible in a Linux environment.
> 
> But it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME, personally or as a
> developer that they went to 
> this huge expense.
> 
> I just FEEL that it was decidedly NOT because it was best for ME that they
> did the Office interface 
> redesign.  I think it was best for Microsoft.
> 
> That is the way of the world, and I understand that.  But when someone who
> owns the guitar market 
> suddenly strings backwards all guitars sold in the future, for no other
> apparent reason than that it 
> is good for their company, I don't have to like it.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>> Sorry forgot to note that the car with the right-side located steering
> wheel
>> had also a mechanical gearbox...
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shamil Salakhetdinov [mailto:shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru] 
>> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:41 PM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: RE: [AccessD] Access poll
>>
>> John,
>>
>> Let me have this my posting as the last one in this thread? My last
> posting
>> but anybody else please feel free to comment on it but do not "force me"
> to
>> reply - OK?
>>
>> Yes, my example with cars' "interfaces" evolution maybe is not that a good
>> analogy to comment on what and why happened with good old MS Office
>> CommandBars replaced by Ribbon. I prefer to not comment (a lot) on what
>> reasons lay behind that MS decision. I do feel the reasons were good and
>> real business oriented as I see that MS is releasing more and more mature
>> software with years both for end users, developers and system engineers.
> I'm
>> not saying I understand/can explain all their reasons. Many of them are
>> beyond me. But I feel good and safe with MS software. (Much) more good and
>> safe than before.
>>
>> Have you ever tried to drive a car in UK, Ireland, Japan...? - or whatever
>> else country/place in this world where they have a steering wheel on the
>> right side? And I mean driving such a "unusual car" when you have zero
>> experience with right-located steering wheel and many years experience of
>> driving a "normal" car? And you rent such an "unusual car" and you go from
>> airport almost straight on highway, in the night's darkness, under the
> rain
>> etc...
>>
>> If you do have such experience you know how it feels - comparing with that
>> experience learning Ribbon is just a child's play. I mean that. :)
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 11:05:05 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:05:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <sa7ec2eb.016@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7ec2eb.016@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4a7ef3f2.1c07d00a.6b42.ffffcab1@mx.google.com>

Thanks Gustav.
I think the later posts from Stuart clarify the situation.
Back to good old CurrentDB then.
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 09 August 2009 11:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Hi Max

A surprise is waiting you. Try to, say, create a table by calling another
function and read it from your db object; it isn't there until you do a
db.Refresh. So:

.. you ARE actually looking at the DB object as is when initialized or
refreshed - including subsequent changes made in the current context.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 12:03 >>>
Very interesting John,

FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
exist at the time when the object was created.

Thanks for the effort.

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 11:05:05 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:05:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7EBEC4.9080607@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7CC50A.22093.4E2E2C9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7D06C8.15688.5E3B172@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<008f01ca1809$6ac5a330$715ea27a@personald6374f>	<4a7d5088.0a1ad00a.1d16.ffffd14e@mx.google.com>	<4A7D7392.8050900@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a7e9f11.0a04d00a.0a6d.ffffdd7f@mx.google.com>
	<4A7EBEC4.9080607@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a7ef3f4.1c07d00a.6b42.ffffcab6@mx.google.com>

Well, I only mentioned it in the hope of making you jealous lol
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 09 August 2009 13:19
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

 > FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

Yep, and the amount of time obviously increases as the db gets larger, but
also of course varies by 
speed of the machine.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Very interesting John,
> 
> FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.
> 
> So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
> know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it
DID
> exist at the time when the object was created.
> 
> Thanks for the effort.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 12:13:40 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 13:13:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Access poll
In-Reply-To: <4A7EEE15.8000201@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <380-22009809141627476@M2W009.mail2web.com>
	<4A7EEE15.8000201@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908091013i32beb52br2e9e57bb6d6d1856@mail.gmail.com>

See these links for some advice on the Access ribbon:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258192.aspx
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258192.aspx>
http://www.databasedev.co.uk/access2007ribbon.html
<http://www.databasedev.co.uk/access2007ribbon.html>
hth,
Arthur


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug  9 12:59:03 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:59:03 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Crossposted - Building a table dynamically - SQL
	Server
In-Reply-To: <4A7C98E8.3020204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A7C98E8.3020204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202E12ECC@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Yes, I call the process I use 'Dynamic Fields'.

It is a static structure, that handles a dynamic structure.

Example one, our old website's 'product database' could require any
number of fields for product data.  One product might have a height, a
weight, a width and a power requirement.  One product might have a
color, material type, etc.  So instead of building a table for each type
of product, I built a structure that allowed for ANY number of fields.

To do this, I created several data tables.  These tables have three
fields.  A 'field' field, an 'ID' field, and a 'value' field.  There was
a table for each value type that I wanted to use (ie, currency, long
integer, text, date, memo, double).  I then created a 'fields' table,
which would define the fields used, and would link to the data tables
with the 'field' field (using the PK from the fields definition table).
The ID field in the data tables would then relate to the Product table
which only housed very generic data, such as the Product name.

Does that make sense?  I have used this process in several systems that
I have built, where I require a dynamic table structure.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:13 PM
To: Dba-Sqlserver; Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Crossposted - Building a table dynamically - SQL
Server

I need to build a table (tblOrderData) to permanently store all of the
data from all of the fields 
for an order.  The table consists of two parts:

1) A PK and all of the name address fields.  This is fixed and never
changes.
2) A dynamic part where the fields come from a query used to select the
name / address data, and 
later to insert said data into this tblOrderData.  This part can be
anywhere from 1 to N fields from 
about 600 possible criteria fields (the database from hell for those who
have followed my past 
ramblings).

As a little background, I have a template database with all of the
queries, tables and stored 
procedures required to build an order, and then I copy that template to
an order name, run the order 
and end up with a permanent store of all the records that go into an
order.  The permanent storage 
and database per order is non-negotiable, so please no "normalize it"
suggestions.

This template has become overstuffed from trying this that and the other
so I am rebuilding it, 
keeping just what is actually used.

So...

I have a stored procedure that builds the fields of the base
tblOrderData.  Just because this is 
what occurred to me to do for this, I then take the fields of the
selection view and subtract the 
fields from the base tblOrderData, and end up with a field list (and
data type - mostly just 
varchar) for the fields that have to be added on to tblOrderData to
store all of the data required 
to process an order.

This subtraction process uses the Information_Schema table to obtain the
field name and data type 
for tblOrderData (the base table) and a specific view which is the
actual view used to populate the 
table later on.  Outer join / not in and voila, just the names of the
criteria fields.  I use that 
in a dynamic SQL statement to append fields to tblOrderData.

tblOrderData plus N various criteria fields makes new tblOrderData with
every single field required 
to process the order.

I do this in a set of stored procedures.  The process requires (or at
least I THINK it requires) 
creating a handful of views dynamically as well.  The process is more
complex than I would like 
however, though it does "just work".

I am looking for suggestions for how to build this dynamic tblOrderData.
I do not use (not sure 
what they are called) temporary tables inside of stored procedures, but
this certainly seems like a 
good place to do that.  Instead of dynamically creating views and using
those views to create lists 
of fields, and using those lists of fields to append new fields to the
base table, just use a single 
stored procedure and a handful of "temporary tables" to get the field
list and append the new 
fields.  Of course I also have to dynamically build indexes over these
fields as well...

So from this disjointed rambling, does anyone have any cogent
suggestions re "a better way" to 
dynamically build a table with a base part (fields) and a changing part
(fields).

-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug  9 13:36:25 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:36:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Crossposted - Building a table dynamically -
	SQL	Server
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202E12ECC@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Drew,

How do you "flatten it back out" to pull a million records stored that way?  And how do you query 
the structure.My solution works really well as it is.  I end up with a database per order, which I 
NEED because the client often asks for results from that exact same data set later (quite common), 
when I have only delivered a portion of the records to the client.

Inside each order database I end up with all of the queries and stored procedures (and data of 
course) required to pull the specific records, and specific fields.

I understand what you are doing, but I question whether it would be very easy to work with both when 
  filling the "table" and then when pulling specific records out of the "table".  It doesn't "feel" 
like a solution to this specific problem.

What I was hoping was that someone out there on our lists would have done something like I am doing, 
actually creating a normal table on the fly, but where the table has a variable set of fields, and 
discuss how to do that using temp tables in a stored procedures (in sql server).  Temp tables might 
not even be the right term, a cursor is more what I mean (I think).

I actually got all of this stuff working, but it is not as straightforward as I would wish.  Perhaps 
"if it ain't broke..." might very well apply here.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Drew Wutka wrote:
> Yes, I call the process I use 'Dynamic Fields'.
> 
> It is a static structure, that handles a dynamic structure.
> 
> Example one, our old website's 'product database' could require any
> number of fields for product data.  One product might have a height, a
> weight, a width and a power requirement.  One product might have a
> color, material type, etc.  So instead of building a table for each type
> of product, I built a structure that allowed for ANY number of fields.
> 
> To do this, I created several data tables.  These tables have three
> fields.  A 'field' field, an 'ID' field, and a 'value' field.  There was
> a table for each value type that I wanted to use (ie, currency, long
> integer, text, date, memo, double).  I then created a 'fields' table,
> which would define the fields used, and would link to the data tables
> with the 'field' field (using the PK from the fields definition table).
> The ID field in the data tables would then relate to the Product table
> which only housed very generic data, such as the Product name.
> 
> Does that make sense?  I have used this process in several systems that
> I have built, where I require a dynamic table structure.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 4:13 PM
> To: Dba-Sqlserver; Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Crossposted - Building a table dynamically - SQL
> Server
> 
> I need to build a table (tblOrderData) to permanently store all of the
> data from all of the fields 
> for an order.  The table consists of two parts:
> 
> 1) A PK and all of the name address fields.  This is fixed and never
> changes.
> 2) A dynamic part where the fields come from a query used to select the
> name / address data, and 
> later to insert said data into this tblOrderData.  This part can be
> anywhere from 1 to N fields from 
> about 600 possible criteria fields (the database from hell for those who
> have followed my past 
> ramblings).
> 
> As a little background, I have a template database with all of the
> queries, tables and stored 
> procedures required to build an order, and then I copy that template to
> an order name, run the order 
> and end up with a permanent store of all the records that go into an
> order.  The permanent storage 
> and database per order is non-negotiable, so please no "normalize it"
> suggestions.
> 
> This template has become overstuffed from trying this that and the other
> so I am rebuilding it, 
> keeping just what is actually used.
> 
> So...
> 
> I have a stored procedure that builds the fields of the base
> tblOrderData.  Just because this is 
> what occurred to me to do for this, I then take the fields of the
> selection view and subtract the 
> fields from the base tblOrderData, and end up with a field list (and
> data type - mostly just 
> varchar) for the fields that have to be added on to tblOrderData to
> store all of the data required 
> to process an order.
> 
> This subtraction process uses the Information_Schema table to obtain the
> field name and data type 
> for tblOrderData (the base table) and a specific view which is the
> actual view used to populate the 
> table later on.  Outer join / not in and voila, just the names of the
> criteria fields.  I use that 
> in a dynamic SQL statement to append fields to tblOrderData.
> 
> tblOrderData plus N various criteria fields makes new tblOrderData with
> every single field required 
> to process the order.
> 
> I do this in a set of stored procedures.  The process requires (or at
> least I THINK it requires) 
> creating a handful of views dynamically as well.  The process is more
> complex than I would like 
> however, though it does "just work".
> 
> I am looking for suggestions for how to build this dynamic tblOrderData.
> I do not use (not sure 
> what they are called) temporary tables inside of stored procedures, but
> this certainly seems like a 
> good place to do that.  Instead of dynamically creating views and using
> those views to create lists 
> of fields, and using those lists of fields to append new fields to the
> base table, just use a single 
> stored procedure and a handful of "temporary tables" to get the field
> list and append the new 
> fields.  Of course I also have to dynamically build indexes over these
> fields as well...
> 
> So from this disjointed rambling, does anyone have any cogent
> suggestions re "a better way" to 
> dynamically build a table with a base part (fields) and a changing part
> (fields).
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sun Aug  9 13:46:39 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 14:46:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Access poll
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908091013i32beb52br2e9e57bb6d6d1856@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-22009809141627476@M2W009.mail2web.com>	<4A7EEE15.8000201@colbyconsulting.com>
	<29f585dd0908091013i32beb52br2e9e57bb6d6d1856@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7F198F.8000907@colbyconsulting.com>

RE

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258192.aspx

Can you explain why I am putting a reference to a Microsoft page in the xml for a custom ribbon?  Is 
my ribbon going out to a Microsoft site to get something?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Arthur Fuller wrote:
> See these links for some advice on the Access ribbon:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258192.aspx
> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258192.aspx>
> http://www.databasedev.co.uk/access2007ribbon.html
> <http://www.databasedev.co.uk/access2007ribbon.html>
> hth,
> Arthur


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Sun Aug  9 15:02:59 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:02:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
 tuition fees
In-Reply-To: <4a78ab41.0508d00a.127e.ffff9203@mx.google.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>	<4A78A6A4.9050302@torchlake.com>
	<4a78ab41.0508d00a.127e.ffff9203@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7F2B73.1010201@torchlake.com>

Of course not, Max!  :)  I mean the goofy woman trying to sue her college.
T

Max Wanadoo wrote:
> I just know you don't mean me....
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: 04 August 2009 22:23
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees
>
> OMG!  What a dingbat!
> T
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>   
>> Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven?t descended to this, have we.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Who can I sue?
>>
>> My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?
>>
>> My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?
>>
>> My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be giving me organic.
>>
>> Ooo, don?t start me off?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Max
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
>> Posted on: 03 August 2009 02:23
>> Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
>> Subject: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> A New York woman who says she cannot find a job is suing the college where she obtained a bachelor's degree.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8180806.stm>  article...
>>
>>   
>>     


From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 15:44:48 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 16:44:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
	tuition fees
In-Reply-To: <4A7F2B73.1010201@torchlake.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>
	<4A78A6A4.9050302@torchlake.com>
	<4a78ab41.0508d00a.127e.ffff9203@mx.google.com>
	<4A7F2B73.1010201@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908091344s437d2fa9g51d1b77f4a8861c1@mail.gmail.com>

For the definitive novel on the American fetish for lawsuits, see William
Gaddis's "A Frolic of His Own", in which (one of several subplots) a
character successfully sues himself, along with the manufacturer of the car
in question. There are several other equally hilarious subplots, all
involving lawsuits -- and the awful thing is that all of it is plausible.
But a lawsuit against oneself is just too funny.
Arthur


From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sun Aug  9 16:00:09 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:00:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
	tuition fees
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>	<4A78A6A4.9050302@torchlake.com><4a78ab41.0508d00a.127e.ffff9203@mx.google.com>
	<4A7F2B73.1010201@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <514267DA305C4054A684DE0911C59994@Mattys>

College is amusing, too, though.
I like this one: The MBA vs the crazy old witch
http://www.dilbert.com/strips/comic/2009-05-22/

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tina Norris Fields" <tinanfields at torchlake.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for 
tuition fees


> Of course not, Max!  :)  I mean the goofy woman trying to sue her college.
> T
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> I just know you don't mean me....
>>
>> Max



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 16:39:26 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:39:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for
	tuition fees
In-Reply-To: <4A7F2B73.1010201@torchlake.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>	<4A78A6A4.9050302@torchlake.com>	<4a78ab41.0508d00a.127e.ffff9203@mx.google.com>
	<4A7F2B73.1010201@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <4a7f422e.0508d00a.423b.241e@mx.google.com>

Phew!!



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
Sent: 09 August 2009 21:03
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees

Of course not, Max!  :)  I mean the goofy woman trying to sue her college.
T

Max Wanadoo wrote:
> I just know you don't mean me....
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris Fields
> Sent: 04 August 2009 22:23
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: FW: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees
>
> OMG!  What a dingbat!
> T
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>   
>> Sorry, being off topic but surely we haven?t descended to this, have we.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Who can I sue?
>>
>> My past  employers for not paying me my true worth?
>>
>> My local pub for making the beer so nice I wanted more?
>>
>> My Wal-Mart for pushing the cheap processed food when it should be giving me organic.
>>
>> Ooo, don?t start me off?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Max
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
>> Posted on: 03 August 2009 02:23
>> Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
>> Subject: Jobless Bronx graduate sues her college for tuition fees
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> A New York woman who says she cannot find a job is suing the college where she obtained a bachelor's degree.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/americas/8180806.stm>  article...
>>
>>   
>>     
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 16:43:29 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:43:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908091344s437d2fa9g51d1b77f4a8861c1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>	<4A78A6A4.9050302@torchlake.com>	<4a78ab41.0508d00a.127e.ffff9203@mx.google.com>	<4A7F2B73.1010201@torchlake.com>
	<29f585dd0908091344s437d2fa9g51d1b77f4a8861c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a7f4323.1c07d00a.381f.19c8@mx.google.com>

Hi guys,

Definitely OT but I have just tried to install my PDF Printer (you know,
where it thinks it is a printer driver and appears in the printer list but
displays content as a PDF where you can view/save it).

Anyway, I purchased one some time back and just tried to install it on my
x64 system but no go. The manufactures are offering me a discount of a later
model but I was wondering if there were any freebies before I spend my cash
which would be better spent donating to AccessD (that last bit is to stop me
being told off for OT'ing on a Sunday).

Max




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug  9 16:47:35 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:47:35 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
Message-ID: <sa7f603d.017@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

Well ... no. That certainly depends. You just need to know what you are doing.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 18:05:05 >>>
Thanks Gustav.
I think the later posts from Stuart clarify the situation.
Back to good old CurrentDB then.
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 09 August 2009 11:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Hi Max

A surprise is waiting you. Try to, say, create a table by calling another
function and read it from your db object; it isn't there until you do a
db.Refresh. So:

.. you ARE actually looking at the DB object as is when initialized or
refreshed - including subsequent changes made in the current context.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 12:03 >>>
Very interesting John,

FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
exist at the time when the object was created.

Thanks for the effort.

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 16:52:45 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:52:45 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Access poll
In-Reply-To: <4A7F198F.8000907@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <380-22009809141627476@M2W009.mail2web.com>	<4A7EEE15.8000201@colbyconsulting.com>	<29f585dd0908091013i32beb52br2e9e57bb6d6d1856@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7F198F.8000907@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a7f454f.0506d00a.1d3e.1c72@mx.google.com>

MS provides a whole range of schemas for all sorts of stuff.  Don't know the
background to it all, but I know that I use them when sending CDO emails.

If you Google (sorry, Bing) "Schemas Microsoft" you will a lot of hits.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 09 August 2009 19:47
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Access poll

RE

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258192.aspx

Can you explain why I am putting a reference to a Microsoft page in the xml
for a custom ribbon?  Is 
my ribbon going out to a Microsoft site to get something?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Arthur Fuller wrote:
> See these links for some advice on the Access ribbon:
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258192.aspx
> <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb258192.aspx>
> http://www.databasedev.co.uk/access2007ribbon.html
> <http://www.databasedev.co.uk/access2007ribbon.html>
> hth,
> Arthur
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 16:54:25 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:54:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <sa7f603d.017@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7f603d.017@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4a7f45b2.1818d00a.7861.3fac@mx.google.com>

When have  I ever know that??

Sometimes I am not even sure who I am.

Thanks for the info though.


Elvis



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 09 August 2009 22:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Hi Max

Well ... no. That certainly depends. You just need to know what you are
doing.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 18:05:05 >>>
Thanks Gustav.
I think the later posts from Stuart clarify the situation.
Back to good old CurrentDB then.
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 09 August 2009 11:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Hi Max

A surprise is waiting you. Try to, say, create a table by calling another
function and read it from your db object; it isn't there until you do a
db.Refresh. So:

.. you ARE actually looking at the DB object as is when initialized or
refreshed - including subsequent changes made in the current context.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 12:03 >>>
Very interesting John,

FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
exist at the time when the object was created.

Thanks for the effort.

Max


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug  9 17:14:45 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:14:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access and :PDF Printers was (OT: PDF Printers)
In-Reply-To: <4a7f4323.1c07d00a.381f.19c8@mx.google.com>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>,
	<29f585dd0908091344s437d2fa9g51d1b77f4a8861c1@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a7f4323.1c07d00a.381f.19c8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A7F4A55.18427.EBB9411@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Lots of them, all with different capabilities.  

I have four different ones installed on this machine alone :-)

PDFCreator  - http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator
DoPDF - http://www.dopdf.com
Polestar Virtual Printer - http://www.polestarsoft.com/ 

and my own creation.

MakePDF - a front end to Ghostcript which you can use as a GUI or CLI application.

Here's where it gets ON TOPIC again.

I use this one to print reports  to PDF with output file names created on the fly.  It means I 
can set up a loop to create a couple of thousand PDF statements  stored in 
currentapplication.path & "Statements" with names like "Statement" & CLientNumber & 
".pdf".  Once they are created, I can email them out using  calls to Blat.dll, pulling the email 
address and CustomerNumber in a loop and funding the appropriate PDF to attach.

You  will find MakePDF and an example of using it with Access on my website
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg - under Downloads.

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Aug 2009 at 22:43, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> Definitely OT but I have just tried to install my PDF Printer (you know,
> where it thinks it is a printer driver and appears in the printer list but
> displays content as a PDF where you can view/save it).
> 
> Anyway, I purchased one some time back and just tried to install it on my
> x64 system but no go. The manufactures are offering me a discount of a later
> model but I was wondering if there were any freebies before I spend my cash
> which would be better spent donating to AccessD (that last bit is to stop me
> being told off for OT'ing on a Sunday).
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 18:00:23 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 00:00:23 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access and :PDF Printers was (OT: PDF Printers)
In-Reply-To: <4A7F4A55.18427.EBB9411@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4a768b79.0508d00a.746a.627f@mx.google.com>,
	<29f585dd0908091344s437d2fa9g51d1b77f4a8861c1@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a7f4323.1c07d00a.381f.19c8@mx.google.com>
	<4A7F4A55.18427.EBB9411@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a7f551a.0702d00a.32b9.38a6@mx.google.com>

Great Stuff,
Thanks Stuart

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 09 August 2009 23:15
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access and :PDF Printers was (OT: PDF Printers)

Lots of them, all with different capabilities.  

I have four different ones installed on this machine alone :-)

PDFCreator  - http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator
DoPDF - http://www.dopdf.com
Polestar Virtual Printer - http://www.polestarsoft.com/ 

and my own creation.

MakePDF - a front end to Ghostcript which you can use as a GUI or CLI
application.

Here's where it gets ON TOPIC again.

I use this one to print reports  to PDF with output file names created on
the fly.  It means I 
can set up a loop to create a couple of thousand PDF statements  stored in 
currentapplication.path & "Statements" with names like "Statement" &
CLientNumber & 
".pdf".  Once they are created, I can email them out using  calls to
Blat.dll, pulling the email 
address and CustomerNumber in a loop and funding the appropriate PDF to
attach.

You  will find MakePDF and an example of using it with Access on my website
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg - under Downloads.

-- 
Stuart

On 9 Aug 2009 at 22:43, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> Definitely OT but I have just tried to install my PDF Printer (you know,
> where it thinks it is a printer driver and appears in the printer list but
> displays content as a PDF where you can view/save it).
> 
> Anyway, I purchased one some time back and just tried to install it on my
> x64 system but no go. The manufactures are offering me a discount of a
later
> model but I was wondering if there were any freebies before I spend my
cash
> which would be better spent donating to AccessD (that last bit is to stop
me
> being told off for OT'ing on a Sunday).
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 10 03:16:50 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:16:50 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
Message-ID: <sa7ff398.020@cactus.dk>

Hi Max (as written on the slip in your pocket for the taxi driver who brings you home)

Oh those glory evenings at the pub!

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 23:54 >>>
When have  I ever know that??

Sometimes I am not even sure who I am.

Thanks for the info though.


Elvis



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 09 August 2009 22:48
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Hi Max

Well ... no. That certainly depends. You just need to know what you are
doing.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 18:05:05 >>>
Thanks Gustav.
I think the later posts from Stuart clarify the situation.
Back to good old CurrentDB then.
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 09 August 2009 11:36
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

Hi Max

A surprise is waiting you. Try to, say, create a table by calling another
function and read it from your db object; it isn't there until you do a
db.Refresh. So:

.. you ARE actually looking at the DB object as is when initialized or
refreshed - including subsequent changes made in the current context.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 12:03 >>>
Very interesting John,

FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
exist at the time when the object was created.

Thanks for the effort.

Max




From adtp at airtelmail.in  Mon Aug 10 03:31:56 2009
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:01:56 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
References: <sa7f603d.017@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <008401ca1995$5867ce60$d95fa27a@personald6374f>

Gustav,

     It seems that in order to get the revised status, say count of records after executing an append query, refresh method of pertinent collection needs to be called anyway, whether the pointer pertains to CurrentDb or DbEngine.

    If db1 and db2 are two object variables pointing to CurrentDb, and an append query has been executed via db1, latest status obtained by refresh of tabledefs via db1 (say  db1.TableDefs.Refresh) is not transparent to db2. For db2 also to see the uptodate position, explicit statement like db2.TableDefs.Refresh becomes necessary.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns False.

    On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest status resulting from refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly seen by db2 as well. There is no need for a separate refresh via db2.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.    

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 03:17
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question


  Hi Max

  Well ... no. That certainly depends. You just need to know what you are doing.

  /gustav

  >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 18:05:05 >>>
  Thanks Gustav.
  I think the later posts from Stuart clarify the situation.
  Back to good old CurrentDB then.
  Max


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
  Sent: 09 August 2009 11:36
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

  Hi Max

  A surprise is waiting you. Try to, say, create a table by calling another
  function and read it from your db object; it isn't there until you do a
  db.Refresh. So:

  .. you ARE actually looking at the DB object as is when initialized or
  refreshed - including subsequent changes made in the current context.

  /gustav

  >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 12:03 >>>
  Very interesting John,

  FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

  So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
  know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
  exist at the time when the object was created.

  Thanks for the effort.

  Max

From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 10 03:38:11 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:38:11 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers
Message-ID: <sa7ff8a2.022@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

We routinely install FreePDF XP on clients' machines. Now it has been renamed to just FreePDF as it is not for Windows XP exclusively:

  http://freepdfxp.de/index.html 

As you can see, it now runs explicitly on 64 bit Windows too. It uses Ghostscript as the PDF engine.
Don't be scared by the German language. At install you can tell it to speak English to the user.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 23:43 >>>
Hi guys,

Definitely OT but I have just tried to install my PDF Printer (you know,
where it thinks it is a printer driver and appears in the printer list but
displays content as a PDF where you can view/save it).

Anyway, I purchased one some time back and just tried to install it on my
x64 system but no go. The manufactures are offering me a discount of a later
model but I was wondering if there were any freebies before I spend my cash
which would be better spent donating to AccessD (that last bit is to stop me
being told off for OT'ing on a Sunday).

Max




From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 10 03:44:33 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:44:33 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
Message-ID: <sa7ffa29.023@cactus.dk>

Hi A.D.

That makes sense. 

However, I've never had a need to have a db1 and a db2 referring to the same database - only two different databases. But who knows, one day maybe?

/gustav


>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 10-08-2009 10:31 >>>
Gustav,

     It seems that in order to get the revised status, say count of records after executing an append query, refresh method of pertinent collection needs to be called anyway, whether the pointer pertains to CurrentDb or DbEngine.

    If db1 and db2 are two object variables pointing to CurrentDb, and an append query has been executed via db1, latest status obtained by refresh of tabledefs via db1 (say  db1.TableDefs.Refresh) is not transparent to db2. For db2 also to see the uptodate position, explicit statement like db2.TableDefs.Refresh becomes necessary.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns False.

    On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest status resulting from refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly seen by db2 as well. There is no need for a separate refresh via db2.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.    

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gustav Brock 
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 03:17
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question


  Hi Max

  Well ... no. That certainly depends. You just need to know what you are doing.

  /gustav

  >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 18:05:05 >>>
  Thanks Gustav.
  I think the later posts from Stuart clarify the situation.
  Back to good old CurrentDB then.
  Max


  -----Original Message-----
  From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
  [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
  Sent: 09 August 2009 11:36
  To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question

  Hi Max

  A surprise is waiting you. Try to, say, create a table by calling another
  function and read it from your db object; it isn't there until you do a
  db.Refresh. So:

  .. you ARE actually looking at the DB object as is when initialized or
  refreshed - including subsequent changes made in the current context.

  /gustav

  >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 09-08-2009 12:03 >>>
  Very interesting John,

  FWIW my results hover around the 150 mark ??  DBENGINE is 1.

  So, clearly the answer is to Set db = DBEngine(0)(0).  That way you will
  know that you ARE actually looking at the DB as it exists and not as it DID
  exist at the time when the object was created.

  Thanks for the effort.

  Max




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 10 07:11:58 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:11:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re:  OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <sa7ffa29.023@cactus.dk>
References: <sa7ffa29.023@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4A800E8E.1000907@colbyconsulting.com>

 >     On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest status resulting from 
refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly seen by db2 as well. There is no need for a 
separate refresh via db2.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.

And therein lies the definition of when CurrentDb "should" be used?  When a view of the previous 
state is required?

I know that I have always just used

dim db ad dao.database
	set db = currentdb

I do this in forms, functions, classes, wherever I need to use a db object to execute sql or open a 
recordset or...

But WHY?????  Because that is the method I learned and so that is what I use.

However it does not seem the appropriate method of getting a database object, since it has a high 
cost (time to create).  In all of these cases I do not care to know the previous state of the 
database "skeleton" after doing whatever it is I am doing.  In fact in the vast majority of cases I 
am not modifying the skeleton at all, just doing something data related.

So doesn't it seem appropriate to use dbengine (0)(0) to get my db pointer in these cases?  In fact 
it seems necessary if I want any other open DB pointers to automatically see correct record counts 
etc based on some other DB instance performing some append / delete.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi A.D.
> 
> That makes sense. 
> 
> However, I've never had a need to have a db1 and a db2 referring to the same database - only two different databases. But who knows, one day maybe?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 10-08-2009 10:31 >>>
> Gustav,
> 
>      It seems that in order to get the revised status, say count of records after executing an append query, refresh method of pertinent collection needs to be called anyway, whether the pointer pertains to CurrentDb or DbEngine.
> 
>     If db1 and db2 are two object variables pointing to CurrentDb, and an append query has been executed via db1, latest status obtained by refresh of tabledefs via db1 (say  db1.TableDefs.Refresh) is not transparent to db2. For db2 also to see the uptodate position, explicit statement like db2.TableDefs.Refresh becomes necessary.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns False.
> 
>     On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest status resulting from refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly seen by db2 as well. There is no need for a separate refresh via db2.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.    
> 
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
> ------------



From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 10 08:02:36 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:02:36 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
In-Reply-To: <4A7B4CB8.11916.4D2E06E8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>,
	<8786a4c00908061418i245f124fj6da671261e06c153@mail.gmail.com>,
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4D6@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4A7B4CB8.11916.4D2E06E8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F6FB@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Tried your suggestion and get a message of cannot delete from specified tables. Tables are local and not open.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete query problem

Looks like you built a select statement and them just changed the Select to Delete.

Try removing the  "[DISTINCTROW]" and the 
", [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status"

-- 
Stuart

On 6 Aug 2009 at 16:25, Kaup, Chester wrote:

DELETE DISTINCTROW  [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].*, [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status
FROM [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month] 
INNER JOIN [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] ON [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].PID = [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].PID
WHERE ((([tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status) 
In ("FL","FM","FH","SL","SM","SH","SP","PL","PM","PH","RP","RM","RH","RL","TA","WD","WC","WF","WCH","WAGW","WAGC")));

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Aug 10 08:34:14 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:34:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re:  OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A800E8E.1000907@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa7ffa29.023@cactus.dk> <4A800E8E.1000907@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <007201ca19bf$40c37640$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

> So doesn't it seem appropriate to use dbengine (0)(0) to get
> my db pointer in these cases?  In fact it seems necessary if
> I want any other open DB pointers to automatically see
> correct record counts etc based on some other DB instance
> performing some append / delete.

Exactly John. RecordsAffected after a query returns 0 using CurrentDB.
At least on older versions of Access.





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug 10 08:37:54 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:37:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F6FB@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>,
	<4A7B4CB8.11916.4D2E06E8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F6FB@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4A8022B2.2378.1208BE8C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

This should do it:

DELETE *
FROM [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month]
WHERE PID in
(Select PID from [tbl Statuses During Prior Month]
   WHERE Status In
   ("FL","FM","FH","SL","SM","SH","SP","PL","PM","PH","RP","RM","RH","RL",
   "TA","WD","WC","WF","WCH","WAGW","WAGC")
);

-- 
Stuart


On 10 Aug 2009 at 8:02, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> Tried your suggestion and get a message of cannot delete from specified tables. Tables are local and not open.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete query problem
> 
> Looks like you built a select statement and them just changed the Select to Delete.
> 
> Try removing the  "[DISTINCTROW]" and the 
> ", [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status"
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 6 Aug 2009 at 16:25, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> 
> DELETE DISTINCTROW  [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].*, [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status
> FROM [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month] 
> INNER JOIN [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] ON [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].PID = [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].PID
> WHERE ((([tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status) 
> In ("FL","FM","FH","SL","SM","SH","SP","PL","PM","PH","RP","RM","RH","RL","TA","WD","WC","WF","WCH","WAGW","WAGC")));
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Aug 10 08:48:45 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:48:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers
Message-ID: <380-220098110134845806@M2W037.mail2web.com>

Max:

I recommend PrimoPDF - my free pdf printer of choice. 

Rocky

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Max Wanadoo max.wanadoo at gmail.com
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:43:29 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com, dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers


Hi guys,

Definitely OT but I have just tried to install my PDF Printer (you know,
where it thinks it is a printer driver and appears in the printer list but
displays content as a PDF where you can view/save it).

Anyway, I purchased one some time back and just tried to install it on my
x64 system but no go. The manufactures are offering me a discount of a later
model but I was wondering if there were any freebies before I spend my cash
which would be better spent donating to AccessD (that last bit is to stop me
being told off for OT'ing on a Sunday).

Max


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From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 10:50:10 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:50:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <7c7841600908100850j7edfd6ewb0d5f1a363eb7176@mail.gmail.com>

I was searching for "Microsoft Access market share 2009", and this link
popped up:

Zoho Creator: Migrate MS Access Database
http://www.zoho.com/creator/migrate-msaccess-database.html

It's a plug-in for Zoho Creator that lets you import Access tables and data.
See the video at the bottom of the page for a demo.

It doesn't look like they import Access forms, but create generic forms
using their own engine. They also claim Access has "no scripting options",
but I seem to recall that it does... hmm, what does Microsoft call that
language?

Zoho Creator is a web data/forms/RAD application, with its own scripting
language, Deluge. See:

Creator Platform Overview
http://www.zoho.com/creator/platform-overview.html

This to me signals the beginnings of a Access-to-web conversion trend. It is
becoming harder to ignore the reality that the web is rapidly becoming the
dominant application platform. It could be Shamil's Northwind to
ASP.NETproject is the only forward-looking Access development effort
we have.

-Ken


From cjlabs at worldnet.att.net  Mon Aug 10 11:06:21 2009
From: cjlabs at worldnet.att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:06:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] send email through Windows Mail
Message-ID: <AB3D94F2750F4D56A0DEEE45B85BF489@Dell>

Vista, Access2003

For WindowsXP, my users have the option of sending email via Outlook (using docmd.sendobject with Outlook as the default email program) or Outlook Express (using MAPI code).

In Vista, the Outlook method still works.  The MAPI code fails because it explicitly references Outlook Express.

Interestly, if I set Windows Mail as the default email program, the email is still sent via Outlook.


I know next to nothing about different email protocols and cannot find any information on using Windows Mail with Access.  Has anyone done this?


Thanks
Carolyn Johnson
St Louis


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 10 11:14:02 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:14:02 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <sa80637d.040@cactus.dk>

Hi Kent

Strange, they charge 10 (ten) records as 1 MB ... at USD 10 per month:

  http://creator.zoho.com/pricing 

We pay per month for backup storage at Amazon about USD 2 per month for several GB ...

/gustav


>>> kismert at gmail.com 10-08-2009 17:50 >>>
I was searching for "Microsoft Access market share 2009", and this link
popped up:

Zoho Creator: Migrate MS Access Database
http://www.zoho.com/creator/migrate-msaccess-database.html 

It's a plug-in for Zoho Creator that lets you import Access tables and data.
See the video at the bottom of the page for a demo.

It doesn't look like they import Access forms, but create generic forms
using their own engine. They also claim Access has "no scripting options",
but I seem to recall that it does... hmm, what does Microsoft call that
language?

Zoho Creator is a web data/forms/RAD application, with its own scripting
language, Deluge. See:

Creator Platform Overview
http://www.zoho.com/creator/platform-overview.html 

This to me signals the beginnings of a Access-to-web conversion trend. It is
becoming harder to ignore the reality that the web is rapidly becoming the
dominant application platform. It could be Shamil's Northwind to
ASP.NETproject is the only forward-looking Access development effort
we have.

-Ken




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug 10 11:32:49 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:32:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Crossposted - Building a table dynamically -SQL	Server
In-Reply-To: <4A7F1729.4040505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A7C98E8.3020204@colbyconsulting.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202E12ECC@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<4A7F1729.4040505@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A42@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

That's true, if it's not broke, don't fix it.

I was just giving you an idea to think in a different paradigm.

The way I 'flatten it back out' is pretty simple, just using dynamically
created SQL statements that fill in Collection/Class groups in the
business layer.

If what you are doing is strictly database stuff, with no GUI to speak
off (so all logic is just inside the db), then my idea doesn't fit your
issue at all.  My idea relies on a business layer (that would be
utilized in a GUI like ASP, VB or Access).  I didn't realize you were
working strictly within a db, no real 'non-db' interface.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crossposted - Building a table dynamically -SQL
Server

Drew,

How do you "flatten it back out" to pull a million records stored that
way?  And how do you query 
the structure.My solution works really well as it is.  I end up with a
database per order, which I 
NEED because the client often asks for results from that exact same data
set later (quite common), 
when I have only delivered a portion of the records to the client.

Inside each order database I end up with all of the queries and stored
procedures (and data of 
course) required to pull the specific records, and specific fields.

I understand what you are doing, but I question whether it would be very
easy to work with both when 
  filling the "table" and then when pulling specific records out of the
"table".  It doesn't "feel" 
like a solution to this specific problem.

What I was hoping was that someone out there on our lists would have
done something like I am doing, 
actually creating a normal table on the fly, but where the table has a
variable set of fields, and 
discuss how to do that using temp tables in a stored procedures (in sql
server).  Temp tables might 
not even be the right term, a cursor is more what I mean (I think).

I actually got all of this stuff working, but it is not as
straightforward as I would wish.  Perhaps 
"if it ain't broke..." might very well apply here.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Aug 10 11:44:01 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:44:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers
In-Reply-To: <380-220098110134845806@M2W037.mail2web.com>
References: <380-220098110134845806@M2W037.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <004901ca19d9$c3b33620$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

I had much experience with PrimoPDF:
1) poor GUI, no defaults set for command buttons, too many steps in creating
an image - defaults never "stick".
2) gets tripped-up with many web pages with images....it's almost imperative
to put the web page into PRINT format before sending it to the PrimoPDF
print driver.
3) very slow PDF generation

No comparison to Adobe PDF writer.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:49 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers
>
> Max:
>
> I recommend PrimoPDF - my free pdf printer of choice.
>
> Rocky
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Max Wanadoo max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:43:29 +0100
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Definitely OT but I have just tried to install my PDF Printer
> (you know, where it thinks it is a printer driver and appears
> in the printer list but displays content as a PDF where you
> can view/save it).
>
> Anyway, I purchased one some time back and just tried to
> install it on my
> x64 system but no go. The manufactures are offering me a
> discount of a later model but I was wondering if there were
> any freebies before I spend my cash which would be better
> spent donating to AccessD (that last bit is to stop me being
> told off for OT'ing on a Sunday).
>
> Max
>
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 11:58:25 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:58:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 23
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12567.1249920862.3284.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.12567.1249920862.3284.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841600908100958u41c0a646h7290d375db5ebcfd@mail.gmail.com>

Gustav,

>Strange, they charge 10 (ten) records as 1 MB ... at USD 10 per month:

They have a very restrictive records cap, which maxes out at 100,000 for 50
users, with extra records prices at $10 per 5000 per month.

That pricing seems steep to me.

Still, it seems only a matter of time before someone comes up with a
practical, reasonable Access-to-web conversion.

-Ken


---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:14:02 +0200
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> Hi Kent
>
> Strange, they charge 10 (ten) records as 1 MB ... at USD 10 per month:
>
>  http://creator.zoho.com/pricing
>
> We pay per month for backup storage at Amazon about USD 2 per month for
> several GB ...
>
> /gustav
>
>


From JHewson at nciinc.com  Mon Aug 10 11:59:57 2009
From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim )
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:59:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers
In-Reply-To: <004901ca19d9$c3b33620$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
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I use CutePDF Writer... rated as one of the "50 best free downloads" by
Computer Shopper.
It's simple install and works like a printer driver.  

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 11:44 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers

I had much experience with PrimoPDF:
1) poor GUI, no defaults set for command buttons, too many steps in
creating
an image - defaults never "stick".
2) gets tripped-up with many web pages with images....it's almost
imperative
to put the web page into PRINT format before sending it to the PrimoPDF
print driver.
3) very slow PDF generation

No comparison to Adobe PDF writer.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 9:49 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers
>
> Max:
>
> I recommend PrimoPDF - my free pdf printer of choice.
>
> Rocky
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Max Wanadoo max.wanadoo at gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:43:29 +0100
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com,
> dba-tech-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] OT:PDF Printers
>
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Definitely OT but I have just tried to install my PDF Printer
> (you know, where it thinks it is a printer driver and appears
> in the printer list but displays content as a PDF where you
> can view/save it).
>
> Anyway, I purchased one some time back and just tried to
> install it on my
> x64 system but no go. The manufactures are offering me a
> discount of a later model but I was wondering if there were
> any freebies before I spend my cash which would be better
> spent donating to AccessD (that last bit is to stop me being
> told off for OT'ing on a Sunday).
>
> Max
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 10 12:12:14 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:12:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:   Zoho Access Migration Plugin
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 >It is becoming harder to ignore the reality that the web is rapidly becoming the dominant 
application platform.

And it only takes loss of internet for a day or two (happened to my client up in CT just a month or 
two ago) to realize that shutting your entire business down because you were silly enough to have an 
internet only application might be a costly proposition.  Stuff happens.  Most of Egypt and much of 
northern Africa was almost entirely off line for about a week because a cable was cut on the ocean 
floor.

Entire parts of the San Francisco bay was cut off for a significant time because of (apparently) 
disgruntled employees cutting a cable.

NOT the business operandi I would want to have.

If you decide to house your databases on your own servers, then a web based application looks much 
less enticing, though doable with .Net.  Bear in mind that internet facing portions of a database 
are not usually a large part of the total application.  Much of it is simple grunt work data entry, 
imports / exports, reports for internal consumption.  It would be interesting to know what 
percentage of total companies in the US are single locations.  Probably well over 80%.  How many of 
them have any need to post much of any of their internal database to the web?  Probably not many.

I created a database for a screw company.  Single location (later a factory in China).  They needed 
(wanted really) to post stock quantities to their web site.  I did it with simple PDFs linked to web 
page hotlinks, the PDFs generated once a day and uploaded to the web site.  The entire rest of their 
database was about internal stuff - orders, stock, QA data etc.  Absolutely none of that needed to 
go browser based.

 >It is becoming harder to ignore the reality that the web is rapidly becoming the dominant 
application platform.

I would question that assertion.  Those who SELL web development certainly want you to buy that though.

"Has its place" certainly.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Kenneth Ismert wrote:
> I was searching for "Microsoft Access market share 2009", and this link
> popped up:
> 
> Zoho Creator: Migrate MS Access Database
> http://www.zoho.com/creator/migrate-msaccess-database.html
> 
> It's a plug-in for Zoho Creator that lets you import Access tables and data.
> See the video at the bottom of the page for a demo.
> 
> It doesn't look like they import Access forms, but create generic forms
> using their own engine. They also claim Access has "no scripting options",
> but I seem to recall that it does... hmm, what does Microsoft call that
> language?
> 
> Zoho Creator is a web data/forms/RAD application, with its own scripting
> language, Deluge. See:
> 
> Creator Platform Overview
> http://www.zoho.com/creator/platform-overview.html
> 
> This to me signals the beginnings of a Access-to-web conversion trend. It is
> becoming harder to ignore the reality that the web is rapidly becoming the
> dominant application platform. It could be Shamil's Northwind to
> ASP.NETproject is the only forward-looking Access development effort
> we have.
> 
> -Ken


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 10 12:24:28 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:24:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Crossposted - Building a table dynamically -SQL	Server
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Well...

 >I didn't realize you were working strictly within a db, no real 'non-db' interface.

I have an access database (should really be .net) that has a simple form with about 5 text boxes and 
a button or two.  Server / Database / data table name.  Click, fill the order.  So I can do anything 
I have to in Access.  ATM what I actually do is execute stored procedures on the SQL Server.  More 
or less.

This whole system was a "work in progress" where I started by doing every single thing manually, 
then writing views and stored procedures to automate step one, then automate step 2 another day / 
week, then step three etc.  I originally has about a 40 step checklist.  Now I have no checklist, 
just a form that I click a button or two.

There are some steps which are asynchronous, i.e. the gross data is pulled for an order, all the 
records have to then be exported and run through software running on virtual machines on a different 
server.  Depending on the size of the data set this can take a few minutes to many hours, and be run 
on one or up to three virtual machines.  Once the external program(s) runs, I have to pull the 
processed data back in and "finish" the order.  So it isn't literally "click a button", but it is 
getting darned close.  The parts leading up to the export are a set of SPs, and the parts after the 
export are a second set of SPs.  The export / import itself is a third set of SPs.  And the final 
export to a fixed width file is an Access database that has a link to a fixed named view in SQL 
Server and then stuff in the MDB that performs the export.

This whole thing I was talking about is a small part of the very first process (before the major 
export).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Drew Wutka wrote:
> That's true, if it's not broke, don't fix it.
> 
> I was just giving you an idea to think in a different paradigm.
> 
> The way I 'flatten it back out' is pretty simple, just using dynamically
> created SQL statements that fill in Collection/Class groups in the
> business layer.
> 
> If what you are doing is strictly database stuff, with no GUI to speak
> off (so all logic is just inside the db), then my idea doesn't fit your
> issue at all.  My idea relies on a business layer (that would be
> utilized in a GUI like ASP, VB or Access).  I didn't realize you were
> working strictly within a db, no real 'non-db' interface.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 1:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Crossposted - Building a table dynamically -SQL
> Server
> 
> Drew,
> 
> How do you "flatten it back out" to pull a million records stored that
> way?  And how do you query 
> the structure.My solution works really well as it is.  I end up with a
> database per order, which I 
> NEED because the client often asks for results from that exact same data
> set later (quite common), 
> when I have only delivered a portion of the records to the client.
> 
> Inside each order database I end up with all of the queries and stored
> procedures (and data of 
> course) required to pull the specific records, and specific fields.
> 
> I understand what you are doing, but I question whether it would be very
> easy to work with both when 
>   filling the "table" and then when pulling specific records out of the
> "table".  It doesn't "feel" 
> like a solution to this specific problem.
> 
> What I was hoping was that someone out there on our lists would have
> done something like I am doing, 
> actually creating a normal table on the fly, but where the table has a
> variable set of fields, and 
> discuss how to do that using temp tables in a stored procedures (in sql
> server).  Temp tables might 
> not even be the right term, a cursor is more what I mean (I think).
> 
> I actually got all of this stuff working, but it is not as
> straightforward as I would wish.  Perhaps 
> "if it ain't broke..." might very well apply here.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
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From jwelz at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 10 12:37:04 2009
From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:37:04 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re:  OpenRecordSet question
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References: <sa7ffa29.023@cactus.dk> <4A800E8E.1000907@colbyconsulting.com>
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I deleted the first few posts of this thread but just opened the one below so I hope I'm not missing the point.

 

This topic is one of the first threads I posted to when I first joined AccessD in the latter half of the 90's.  In those days I was very concerned with performance and network load as I was working in a crippled environment.  I have little use for CurrentDb as it is really slow compared to the alternatives.

 

I've written a function that returns a pointer to a database object.  It uses currentDb to create the initial object and then stores a reference in a static variable which is used in subsequent calls.

 

Public Function fnDB(Optional blnRefresh As Variant) As DAO.Database
    On Error GoTo ErrorHandler
    
    Static db As DAO.Database
    Dim lngi As Long

 

    If IsMissing(blnRefresh) Then
        lngi = Len(db.Name)
    Else
        Set db = CurrentDb
    End If

 

ExitRoutine:
    On Error Resume Next
    Set fnDB = db
    Exit Function
ErrorHandler:
    Set db = CurrentDb
    'Resume 0
    Resume ExitRoutine
End Function

 

I ran a timing test of 10,000 iterations of setting a reference to a database object.

 

The above fnDb ran in an average of 4 milliseconds over 20 runs;

DBEngine(0)(0) ran in 9 milliseconds;

CurrentDb took 239235 milliseconds, just shy of 4 minutes in a single test.

 

The fnDB procedure has an optional argument to force a refresh should a need arise to refresh database object collections.  I have a few saved QueryDefs where a user can dynamically change the .SQL property in his copy of the front end but that does not require a refresh.  This fnDB procedure has not been revised in over 12 years as I don't make changes to database objects that require a refresh of those objects.  As yet, I haven't needed to use the the optional parameter.  Note that I don't test the value of the parameter.  Sending in anything forces a refresh regardless of the datatype or value.

Ciao

J?rgen Welz

Edmonton, Alberta

jwelz at hotmail.com

 
> Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:11:58 -0400
> From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re: OpenRecordSet question
> 
> > On the other hand, if db1 and db2 point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest status resulting from 
> refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly seen by db2 as well. There is no need for a 
> separate refresh via db2. The statement db1 Is db2 returns True.
> 
> And therein lies the definition of when CurrentDb "should" be used? When a view of the previous 
> state is required?
> 
> I know that I have always just used
> 
> dim db ad dao.database
> set db = currentdb
> 
> I do this in forms, functions, classes, wherever I need to use a db object to execute sql or open a 
> recordset or...
> 
> But WHY????? Because that is the method I learned and so that is what I use.
> 
> However it does not seem the appropriate method of getting a database object, since it has a high 
> cost (time to create). In all of these cases I do not care to know the previous state of the 
> database "skeleton" after doing whatever it is I am doing. In fact in the vast majority of cases I 
> am not modifying the skeleton at all, just doing something data related.
> 
> So doesn't it seem appropriate to use dbengine (0)(0) to get my db pointer in these cases? In fact 
> it seems necessary if I want any other open DB pointers to automatically see correct record counts 
> etc based on some other DB instance performing some append / delete.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com

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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Aug 10 14:18:51 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:18:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A7D159C.27079.61DA034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7D110F.18404.60BDA28@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A7D159C.27079.61DA034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A80729B.2050602@torchlake.com>

Aha!  Excellent point.  Thanks.
T

Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Further:  
>
> CurrentDB is not an object!
> It is a *method*  which returns the clone Database object.
>
> Which would explain why it can't persist once the reference to it is over.
>
>   


From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Aug 10 15:19:14 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:19:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  OT: Web site photo album
In-Reply-To: <4A789E9E.10362.42B5EAD9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4A784D10.8060707@colbyconsulting.com>,
	<523C3D45373F4EB98F4997B952D7A0C7@jislaptopdev>,
	<4A7879E3.7070909@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A789E9E.10362.42B5EAD9@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A8080C2.9010309@torchlake.com>

Hi Stuart,

I've visited your website and left you a message.  I'll be interested in 
the IP information you get.  Thanks.

T

Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> I'm starting to do quite a bit of website work in conjunction with a good graphic website guy. 
> (I do all the backend database and interface stuff - he does all the pretty stuff).
>
> We are in the process of developing a new website for a government department here. 
> They decided that for "security reasons" they wanted to host their own web server in house.
> They have a 256Kb link to the world which also has to server their email and web access for 
> selected staff.   
>
> It's not the first time that I've come across similar problems, so we ended up doing a White 
> Paper explaining the issues, including security and bandwidth to hand out to clients.
>
> You can get a copy from http:/www.lexacorp.com.pg - click on Resources and download the 
> second White Paper.
>
> While you are there, have a look around - we've just totally rebuilt my old, very amateurish 
> looking site - comments, criticisms welcome.
>
> I'd also appreciate it if you use the Contact Us form to leave me a message. I've got PHP 
> Geolocation code sitting behind it and would like to give it a good trial.  If you use it I will let 
> you know exactly what info I get about your IP address and location through it.
>
>   


From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Mon Aug 10 18:35:51 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:35:51 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.
In-Reply-To: <4A80729B.2050602@torchlake.com>
References: <29f585dd0908071248l609c6827u2919c2331f8c6255@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4dd71a0c0908072117p9bd94bo88e6bf81ae88c82f@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A7D110F.18404.60BDA28@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A7D159C.27079.61DA034@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A80729B.2050602@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA3392C3@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

Hi Folks,

A friend at work here has a new Vista (SP1) OS.  He has noticed that now none of the active X object in his Access databases work anymore (Such as treeview etc).

I suspect this would be some crazy security 'feature' that needs to be tweaked, but being an old skool XP luddite, I haven't really even looked at Vista.

Has anyone had this issue and/or know a way to resolve this issue?

cheers
Darryl.

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From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Aug 10 18:35:52 2009
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:35:52 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <4a7d39b1.1818d00a.33a4.ffffdc0a@mx.google.com>
References: <sa7c7bab.005@cactus.dk>,
	<4A7CA3D8.899.461399C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<01FCD91BC18D4E888CAC4EF5E3AD1EA4@stevePC><4A7CD677.853.526F7D0@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4a7d39b1.1818d00a.33a4.ffffdc0a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <02d901ca1a13$4f931320$131b910a@denzilnote>

Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi

We won't even mention the ashes

I think poor ole' Andy is in some dark room in the foetal position (somewhere)

It is true the gene pool here is very shallow from time to time
(Especially in Sydney)

We love Kiwis - Love beating them in Rugby League that is (snigger)

Send 'em over - the more the merrier - Love 'em all

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, 08 August 2009 6:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

That is why Brits have to keep emigrating to Oz and Kiwi, to keep the
standards up.

The gene pool needs topping up every decade or so.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 08 August 2009 02:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

That's not good.  You do realise that every time an Aussie moves to NZ, the
average IQ in 
both countries drops!!!

Cheers,
Stuart
(ex-pat Kiwi for many years)

On 8 Aug 2009 at 12:56, Steve Schapel wrote:

> Many thanks, Stuart.
> 
> Australian originally, but now resident in New Zealand for many years.
> 
> The sample data relates to my application http://www.sportsrunner.biz/
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:59 AM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
> 
> > "This Guy"? Didn't anyone read the name at the end of the article/
> >
> > "Steve Schapel" - one of our own.
> >
> > And based on his sample data, he's a Kiwi too - I never knew that.
> >
>  
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 00:48:14 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 01:48:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A8054EE.3080805@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908100850j7edfd6ewb0d5f1a363eb7176@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A8054EE.3080805@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908102248p23dac825j828f818ee9680dec@mail.gmail.com>

IMO this discussion is more properly framed not under "Web development" but
under "Browser-based development". Whether or not your app talks to the
world, if it has a bunch of users even all sitting in the same offices,
there are obvious advantages to going with the browser-based paradigm,
including but not exclusive to:
1. updates are instantaneous -- no copying to each machine or anything silly
like that. Fix it in one place and presto -- the users see the fix on their
next click.
2. support for mixed computer platforms -- Windows, Vista, Leopard, Linux,
who cares?
3. UI consistent with stuff they (probably) already know.

A.


From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Tue Aug 11 01:25:44 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:25:44 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
In-Reply-To: <02d901ca1a13$4f931320$131b910a@denzilnote>
Message-ID: <C8073EC2205E4DECA66CA1F05B591A33@MINSTER>

"It is true the gene pool here is very shallow from time to time
(Especially in Sydney)"

Never a truer word...

Andy (from a very dark place)

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D
Sent: 11 August 2009 00:36
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access


Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi

We won't even mention the ashes

I think poor ole' Andy is in some dark room in the foetal position
(somewhere)

It is true the gene pool here is very shallow from time to time
(Especially in Sydney)

We love Kiwis - Love beating them in Rugby League that is (snigger)

Send 'em over - the more the merrier - Love 'em all

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, 08 August 2009 6:39 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

That is why Brits have to keep emigrating to Oz and Kiwi, to keep the
standards up.

The gene pool needs topping up every decade or so.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 08 August 2009 02:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access

That's not good.  You do realise that every time an Aussie moves to NZ, the
average IQ in 
both countries drops!!!

Cheers,
Stuart
(ex-pat Kiwi for many years)

On 8 Aug 2009 at 12:56, Steve Schapel wrote:

> Many thanks, Stuart.
> 
> Australian originally, but now resident in New Zealand for many years.
> 
> The sample data relates to my application http://www.sportsrunner.biz/
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Stuart McLachlan" <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>
> Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 9:59 AM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sending a Text Message From Access
> 
> > "This Guy"? Didn't anyone read the name at the end of the article/
> >
> > "Steve Schapel" - one of our own.
> >
> > And based on his sample data, he's a Kiwi too - I never knew that.
> >
>  
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 11 02:03:46 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:03:46 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.
Message-ID: <sa813411.048@cactus.dk>

Hi Darryl

It's not Vista but IE.
You missed, I guess, my message from 2009-05-14:

Enable ActiveX controls which Access 2003/2007	doesn't "support" (update)

  http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-May/068528.html 

/gustav


>>> Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au 11-08-2009 01:35 >>>
Hi Folks,

A friend at work here has a new Vista (SP1) OS.  He has noticed that now none of the active X object in his Access databases work anymore (Such as treeview etc).

I suspect this would be some crazy security 'feature' that needs to be tweaked, but being an old skool XP luddite, I haven't really even looked at Vista.

Has anyone had this issue and/or know a way to resolve this issue?

cheers
Darryl.




From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Tue Aug 11 02:07:12 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:07:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.
In-Reply-To: <sa813411.048@cactus.dk>
References: <sa813411.048@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA3392D4@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

Thanks Gustav,

yep, I did miss that one - I think I was in Singapore that week so a lot of backlog was filed into the trash :-/

cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 5:04 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.

Hi Darryl

It's not Vista but IE.
You missed, I guess, my message from 2009-05-14:

Enable ActiveX controls which Access 2003/2007	doesn't "support" (update)

  http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2009-May/068528.html 

/gustav


>>> Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au 11-08-2009 01:35 >>>
Hi Folks,

A friend at work here has a new Vista (SP1) OS.  He has noticed that now none of the active X object in his Access databases work anymore (Such as treeview etc).

I suspect this would be some crazy security 'feature' that needs to be tweaked, but being an old skool XP luddite, I haven't really even looked at Vista.

Has anyone had this issue and/or know a way to resolve this issue?

cheers
Darryl.


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Aug 11 05:34:40 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:34:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9355@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

I have been asked to do a "quick"  database for event management.

All is done but the Invites.

We have one main guest who can invite one or more additional guests.

I am struggling with how to create the invite 

Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main guest.

Any ideas, example re creating the Invitation appreciated.

martin


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 11 06:09:58 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:09:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908102248p23dac825j828f818ee9680dec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908100850j7edfd6ewb0d5f1a363eb7176@mail.gmail.com>	<4A8054EE.3080805@colbyconsulting.com>
	<29f585dd0908102248p23dac825j828f818ee9680dec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A815186.4060402@colbyconsulting.com>

Also known as thin client or dumb terminal (for a reason) from 30 years ago.  And the pendulum swings...

You left out all of the negatives however:

1) Dozens of technologies
2) Server load
3) Integration issues
4) UI clumsy to say the least
5) User UI preferences harder to deal with

and so forth...

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Arthur Fuller wrote:
> IMO this discussion is more properly framed not under "Web development" but
> under "Browser-based development". Whether or not your app talks to the
> world, if it has a bunch of users even all sitting in the same offices,
> there are obvious advantages to going with the browser-based paradigm,
> including but not exclusive to:
> 1. updates are instantaneous -- no copying to each machine or anything silly
> like that. Fix it in one place and presto -- the users see the fix on their
> next click.
> 2. support for mixed computer platforms -- Windows, Vista, Leopard, Linux,
> who cares?
> 3. UI consistent with stuff they (probably) already know.
> 
> A.


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Aug 11 07:15:22 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:15:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Delete query problem
In-Reply-To: <4A8022B2.2378.1208BE8C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F4C5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>,
	<4A7B4CB8.11916.4D2E06E8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F6FB@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4A8022B2.2378.1208BE8C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F8D5@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Thanks to everyone for there assistance. Got it working. Turns out it was deleting the correct number of records. Datasheet view was showing duplicates.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 8:38 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete query problem

This should do it:

DELETE *
FROM [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month]
WHERE PID in
(Select PID from [tbl Statuses During Prior Month]
   WHERE Status In
   ("FL","FM","FH","SL","SM","SH","SP","PL","PM","PH","RP","RM","RH","RL",
   "TA","WD","WC","WF","WCH","WAGW","WAGC")
);

-- 
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On 10 Aug 2009 at 8:02, Kaup, Chester wrote:

> Tried your suggestion and get a message of cannot delete from specified tables. Tables are local and not open.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Delete query problem
> 
> Looks like you built a select statement and them just changed the Select to Delete.
> 
> Try removing the  "[DISTINCTROW]" and the 
> ", [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status"
> 
> -- 
> Stuart
> 
> On 6 Aug 2009 at 16:25, Kaup, Chester wrote:
> 
> DELETE DISTINCTROW  [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].*, [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status
> FROM [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month] 
> INNER JOIN [tbl Statuses During Prior Month] ON [tbl Inactive Injectors Any Day Prior Month].PID = [tbl Statuses During Prior Month].PID
> WHERE ((([tbl Statuses During Prior Month].Status) 
> In ("FL","FM","FH","SL","SM","SH","SP","PL","PM","PH","RP","RM","RH","RL","TA","WD","WC","WF","WCH","WAGW","WAGC")));
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 07:27:14 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:27:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9355@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <FB4AF50B0A80426894128921D69C0C27@SusanOne>

> I am struggling with how to create the invite
>
> Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word 
> templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main 
> guest.

=======It sounds to me like you're really just collecting information 
right -- the "invite" is really just a collection of data that you then push 
out to Word. Is this correct?

Susan H. 



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Aug 11 07:46:11 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:46:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
In-Reply-To: <FB4AF50B0A80426894128921D69C0C27@SusanOne>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9355@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<FB4AF50B0A80426894128921D69C0C27@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9358@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

The word part is Ok. I have that done for the main guest. In Access I need to

Select the main guest.
Select their partners/s for the event

Create the Invite record containing

Main guest and multiple associated guests.

I need a simple way to associate the main guest with the additional guest/s they would like to bring and then write this data back to a table. I then use this data for the merge. 

So Main Guest A could also bring B and C

At the moment I am using a multi select list box to allow them to select several main guests. This I think could be the problem. If they select several main guests how do I then associate the additional guests?

Maritn



Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins [ssharkins at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

> I am struggling with how to create the invite
>
> Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word
> templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main
> guest.

=======It sounds to me like you're really just collecting information
right -- the "invite" is really just a collection of data that you then push
out to Word. Is this correct?

Susan H.

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 07:56:50 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:56:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9355@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<FB4AF50B0A80426894128921D69C0C27@SusanOne>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9358@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <79C70731B12D4AE5B4A360999E96F059@SusanOne>

>
> At the moment I am using a multi select list box to allow them to select 
> several main guests. This I think could be the problem. If they select 
> several main guests how do I then associate the additional guests?

=======It sounds like this is more complex than a single user selecting a 
bunch of names from a list then -- right? I'm lost. Is there a relationship 
between the "main" guests and "additional" guests? I mean, if the user 
selects Main Guest A, so specific additional guests automatically get 
selected too?

Susan H. 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Aug 11 07:56:48 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:56:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
Message-ID: <380-22009821112564846@M2W008.mail2web.com>

Martin:

How about a second table with two fields - the Main Guest PK and the
associated guest PK?  Then you could use a simple query to draw the data
you need to push into Word from the Guest table.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:46:11 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


The word part is Ok. I have that done for the main guest. In Access I need
to

Select the main guest.
Select their partners/s for the event

Create the Invite record containing

Main guest and multiple associated guests.

I need a simple way to associate the main guest with the additional guest/s
they would like to bring and then write this data back to a table. I then
use this data for the merge. 

So Main Guest A could also bring B and C

At the moment I am using a multi select list box to allow them to select
several main guests. This I think could be the problem. If they select
several main guests how do I then associate the additional guests?

Maritn



Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
[ssharkins at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

> I am struggling with how to create the invite
>
> Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word
> templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main
> guest.

=======It sounds to me like you're really just collecting information
right -- the "invite" is really just a collection of data that you then push
out to Word. Is this correct?

Susan H.

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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Tue Aug 11 08:04:13 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:04:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.
In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA3392D4@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
References: <sa813411.048@cactus.dk>
	<57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA3392D4@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE0177@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

You "think" you were in Singapore last week?

Must have been a rough time you had there. :-)

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.

Thanks Gustav,

yep, I did miss that one - I think I was in Singapore that week so a lot of backlog was filed into the trash :-/

cheers
Darryl




From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Aug 11 08:09:57 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:09:57 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
In-Reply-To: <380-22009821112564846@M2W008.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22009821112564846@M2W008.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9359@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Rocky

Just trying that now

Susan

yip all this "quick" jobs turn out to be so much more (<:

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:56
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

Martin:

How about a second table with two fields - the Main Guest PK and the
associated guest PK?  Then you could use a simple query to draw the data
you need to push into Word from the Guest table.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:46:11 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


The word part is Ok. I have that done for the main guest. In Access I need
to

Select the main guest.
Select their partners/s for the event

Create the Invite record containing

Main guest and multiple associated guests.

I need a simple way to associate the main guest with the additional guest/s
they would like to bring and then write this data back to a table. I then
use this data for the merge.

So Main Guest A could also bring B and C

At the moment I am using a multi select list box to allow them to select
several main guests. This I think could be the problem. If they select
several main guests how do I then associate the additional guests?

Maritn



Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
[ssharkins at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

> I am struggling with how to create the invite
>
> Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word
> templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main
> guest.

=======It sounds to me like you're really just collecting information
right -- the "invite" is really just a collection of data that you then push
out to Word. Is this correct?

Susan H.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Aug 11 08:30:09 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:30:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
Message-ID: <380-22009821113309820@M2W034.mail2web.com>

What's your deadline for this? I'm out of town with the family until
Thursday but after that could help you offline.  Does this require an input
form or is the input coming from some other source?

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:09:57 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


Rocky

Just trying that now

Susan

yip all this "quick" jobs turn out to be so much more (<:

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com
[rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:56
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

Martin:

How about a second table with two fields - the Main Guest PK and the
associated guest PK?  Then you could use a simple query to draw the data
you need to push into Word from the Guest table.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:46:11 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


The word part is Ok. I have that done for the main guest. In Access I need
to

Select the main guest.
Select their partners/s for the event

Create the Invite record containing

Main guest and multiple associated guests.

I need a simple way to associate the main guest with the additional guest/s
they would like to bring and then write this data back to a table. I then
use this data for the merge.

So Main Guest A could also bring B and C

At the moment I am using a multi select list box to allow them to select
several main guests. This I think could be the problem. If they select
several main guests how do I then associate the additional guests?

Maritn



Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
[ssharkins at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

> I am struggling with how to create the invite
>
> Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word
> templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main
> guest.

=======It sounds to me like you're really just collecting information
right -- the "invite" is really just a collection of data that you then push
out to Word. Is this correct?

Susan H.

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From garykjos at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 08:36:41 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:36:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] send email through Windows Mail
In-Reply-To: <AB3D94F2750F4D56A0DEEE45B85BF489@Dell>
References: <AB3D94F2750F4D56A0DEEE45B85BF489@Dell>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950908110636g382c1f4cuf5c09141a5d79572@mail.gmail.com>

I found this thread on a similar issue.

http://forums.techarena.in/windows-vista-mail/527034.htm

This one seem promising too

http://www.ctimls.com/Support/KB/Error%20Fixes/Fix_Mapi_error.htm

I wonder if Vista is trying to not allow a possible outgoing unwanted
mail by what it thinks is a bug or virus or trojan or something?  I've
not ever tried to send mail from an access ap so I can't be of much
help. I know lots of other folks have so I'm surprised nobody has
replied on this yet. Not many developers are using Vista I guess.

Good luck figuring it out Carolyn.

GK

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Carolyn
Johnson<cjlabs at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Vista, Access2003
>
> For WindowsXP, my users have the option of sending email via Outlook (using docmd.sendobject with Outlook as the default email program) or Outlook Express (using MAPI code).
>
> In Vista, the Outlook method still works. ?The MAPI code fails because it explicitly references Outlook Express.
>
> Interestly, if I set Windows Mail as the default email program, the email is still sent via Outlook.
>
>
> I know next to nothing about different email protocols and cannot find any information on using Windows Mail with Access. ?Has anyone done this?
>
>
> Thanks
> Carolyn Johnson
> St Louis
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Aug 11 08:35:04 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:35:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
In-Reply-To: <380-22009821113309820@M2W034.mail2web.com>
References: <380-22009821113309820@M2W034.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C935A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Rocky

No rush I can stall em,!

What I am trying is as you said a new table. 

The input for will have two combos. One displaying the event which filters the second which will display the main guests already invited. 

Select the main guest in combo 2 and then view a list of names from which the user can select one or more partners.

I then write the lot back to a table to be used for the merge.

My concern is that if this a large event there's a lot of clicking to be done to add the additional guests. 

Martin




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Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 14:30
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

What's your deadline for this? I'm out of town with the family until
Thursday but after that could help you offline.  Does this require an input
form or is the input coming from some other source?

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:09:57 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


Rocky

Just trying that now

Susan

yip all this "quick" jobs turn out to be so much more (<:

Martin


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Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com
[rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:56
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

Martin:

How about a second table with two fields - the Main Guest PK and the
associated guest PK?  Then you could use a simple query to draw the data
you need to push into Word from the Guest table.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:46:11 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


The word part is Ok. I have that done for the main guest. In Access I need
to

Select the main guest.
Select their partners/s for the event

Create the Invite record containing

Main guest and multiple associated guests.

I need a simple way to associate the main guest with the additional guest/s
they would like to bring and then write this data back to a table. I then
use this data for the merge.

So Main Guest A could also bring B and C

At the moment I am using a multi select list box to allow them to select
several main guests. This I think could be the problem. If they select
several main guests how do I then associate the additional guests?

Maritn



Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
[ssharkins at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

> I am struggling with how to create the invite
>
> Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word
> templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main
> guest.

=======It sounds to me like you're really just collecting information
right -- the "invite" is really just a collection of data that you then push
out to Word. Is this correct?

Susan H.

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Aug 11 09:03:21 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:03:21 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A815186.4060402@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908100850j7edfd6ewb0d5f1a363eb7176@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A8054EE.3080805@colbyconsulting.com>
	<29f585dd0908102248p23dac825j828f818ee9680dec@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A815186.4060402@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <006f01ca1a8c$7cbf35d0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

> 1) Dozens of technologies

John - that is the key problem in my mind.
I don't think I've met very many developers that knew all of these well:
raster graphics (Photoshop), vector graphics (Illustratator), CSS,
Javascript, HTML, XML, SQL, SQL Server, MVC Frameworks, application servers,
ASP.NET, etc, etc...
And the list just goes on and on.
Now add all of the new interactive stuff like Silverlight and it's
mind-boggling.
However, the "UI clumsy" problem is disappearing with these new DHTML
technologies.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:10 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Zoho Access Migration Plugin
>
> Also known as thin client or dumb terminal (for a reason)
> from 30 years ago.  And the pendulum swings...
>
> You left out all of the negatives however:
>
> 1) Dozens of technologies
> 2) Server load
> 3) Integration issues
> 4) UI clumsy to say the least
> 5) User UI preferences harder to deal with
>
> and so forth...
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com





From dwaters at usinternet.com  Tue Aug 11 09:05:10 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:05:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re:  OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <4A800E8E.1000907@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa7ffa29.023@cactus.dk> <4A800E8E.1000907@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <ADBDA8532F854C0CB00E947EE684A716@danwaters>

John,

This is a discussion (or slight rant) by Michael Kaplan on DBEngine(0)(0)
vs. CurrentDB.

In my databases, I never change collections so I don't need CurrentDB.

Also, he says that DBEngine(0)(0) is 5000 time faster than CurrentDB.  I did
a read looping test once and my result was that DBEngine(0)(0) was exactly 8
times faster than CurrentDB.  I use many recordsets and I do see a
performance improvement using DBEngine(0)(0) over CurrentDB.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/9fe98bb5d7cba5ea
?hl=en&

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re: OpenRecordSet question

 >     On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest
status resulting from 
refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly seen by db2 as well.
There is no need for a 
separate refresh via db2.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.

And therein lies the definition of when CurrentDb "should" be used?  When a
view of the previous 
state is required?

I know that I have always just used

dim db ad dao.database
	set db = currentdb

I do this in forms, functions, classes, wherever I need to use a db object
to execute sql or open a 
recordset or...

But WHY?????  Because that is the method I learned and so that is what I
use.

However it does not seem the appropriate method of getting a database
object, since it has a high 
cost (time to create).  In all of these cases I do not care to know the
previous state of the 
database "skeleton" after doing whatever it is I am doing.  In fact in the
vast majority of cases I 
am not modifying the skeleton at all, just doing something data related.

So doesn't it seem appropriate to use dbengine (0)(0) to get my db pointer
in these cases?  In fact 
it seems necessary if I want any other open DB pointers to automatically see
correct record counts 
etc based on some other DB instance performing some append / delete.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi A.D.
> 
> That makes sense. 
> 
> However, I've never had a need to have a db1 and a db2 referring to the
same database - only two different databases. But who knows, one day maybe?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 10-08-2009 10:31 >>>
> Gustav,
> 
>      It seems that in order to get the revised status, say count of
records after executing an append query, refresh method of pertinent
collection needs to be called anyway, whether the pointer pertains to
CurrentDb or DbEngine.
> 
>     If db1 and db2 are two object variables pointing to CurrentDb, and an
append query has been executed via db1, latest status obtained by refresh of
tabledefs via db1 (say  db1.TableDefs.Refresh) is not transparent to db2.
For db2 also to see the uptodate position, explicit statement like
db2.TableDefs.Refresh becomes necessary.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns
False.
> 
>     On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest
status resulting from refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly
seen by db2 as well. There is no need for a separate refresh via db2.  The
statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.    
> 
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Tue Aug 11 09:19:24 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:19:24 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F924@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have a macro with warnings turned off. One query when I run it outside the macro and it tries to append records to a table I get the message key violation cannot append 3 records do you wish to continue. When it runs in the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it can or what?

In this same macro I run a number of queries and then open a report in print preview. The report has a close form button on it. When I click the close form button the results of the query that the report is based on comes up. I thought it should go back to the form that called the macro to run. How do I get it to close the query and go back to the first form.?

Thanks.

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 09:20:40 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:20:40 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Yahoo Boy
Message-ID: <cda8f54e0908110720h4fc95395g5cba8d16d3d97a51@mail.gmail.com>

Susan:
You have been rumbled...

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=2141&tag=nl.e036


Max


From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 10:01:45 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:01:45 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <7c7841600908110801x39146c00y1b86a3b77fc6dd25@mail.gmail.com>

John,

Microsoft just bought Office.com to further push its web-based Office
offerings. They are in no way abandoning their desktop offerings, but they
feel the need to try to counteract the movement of Google, Zoho, etc. in the
web-based office applications market. That's indicative of the trend.

There are a number of projects afoot which allow a web application to 'fail
over' to a local data store when the internet is down, and re-sync when it
is back up.

As for your list of downsides:
1) Dozens of technologies
On the browser, I can really think of three important ones: HTML, CSS and
JavaScript. Oh, and these are internationally-defined standards, which is
the critical advantage of this 'thin-client' technology over the older
versions. Add a JavaScript framework, and you have four things you need to
become familiar with to do a good web front-end. On the back end, your task
is really no more difficult than coding unbound forms. And you have a wide
choice of server-side application frameworks to help you there.

2) Server load
Yes -- it is a server technology, isn't it? But Access places severe demands
on the network, so we really can't claim an advantage there.

3) Integration issues
I guess I'll have to hear more to understand what you mean here.

4) UI clumsy to say the least
In the IE6 days, yes to a much greater extent. Now that we have IE8 as our
lowest-common-denominator browser, you would be surprised at the
sophistication of UI that can be achieved with standards-based HTML, CSS and
a little JavaScript. Certainly more than adequate for the average data
application user.

5) User UI preferences harder to deal with
With CSS you have far greater ability to change the look of a web interface
than anything you can get in Access. HTML forms can dynamically re-scale,
and the font size can be dynamically changed, which Access can't easily do
(but, I haven't used 2003 or 2007, so that may have changed). Plus there is
built-in support for people with different abilities.

To be fair, the one thing Access has that the web still lacks is a
compelling reports capability. I've looked at a number of web-based reports
frameworks, and there is nothing that leaps out as a 'this is it' web
reports alternative.

-Ken


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 11 10:26:41 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:26:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A815186.4060402@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908100850j7edfd6ewb0d5f1a363eb7176@mail.gmail.com>	<4A8054EE.3080805@colbyconsulting.com><29f585dd0908102248p23dac825j828f818ee9680dec@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A815186.4060402@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFABD1@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

In web-based/browser-based apps, the client is sometimes allowed skins,
and that's about as far as his preferences over the UI are considered.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Zoho Access Migration Plugin

Also known as thin client or dumb terminal (for a reason) from 30 years
ago.  And the pendulum swings...

You left out all of the negatives however:

1) Dozens of technologies
2) Server load
3) Integration issues
4) UI clumsy to say the least
5) User UI preferences harder to deal with

and so forth...

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Arthur Fuller wrote:
> IMO this discussion is more properly framed not under "Web 
> development" but under "Browser-based development". Whether or not 
> your app talks to the world, if it has a bunch of users even all 
> sitting in the same offices, there are obvious advantages to going 
> with the browser-based paradigm, including but not exclusive to:
> 1. updates are instantaneous -- no copying to each machine or anything

> silly like that. Fix it in one place and presto -- the users see the 
> fix on their next click.
> 2. support for mixed computer platforms -- Windows, Vista, Leopard, 
> Linux, who cares?
> 3. UI consistent with stuff they (probably) already know.
> 
> A.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 11 10:28:28 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:28:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9358@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9355@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<FB4AF50B0A80426894128921D69C0C27@SusanOne>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9358@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFABD2@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Join table, Martin.  Or a self join, but that's messier.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:46 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

The word part is Ok. I have that done for the main guest. In Access I
need to

Select the main guest.
Select their partners/s for the event

Create the Invite record containing

Main guest and multiple associated guests.

I need a simple way to associate the main guest with the additional
guest/s they would like to bring and then write this data back to a
table. I then use this data for the merge. 

So Main Guest A could also bring B and C

At the moment I am using a multi select list box to allow them to select
several main guests. This I think could be the problem. If they select
several main guests how do I then associate the additional guests?

Maritn



Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
[ssharkins at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

> I am struggling with how to create the invite
>
> Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word 
> templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main 
> guest.

=======It sounds to me like you're really just collecting information
right -- the "invite" is really just a collection of data that you then
push out to Word. Is this correct?

Susan H.




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 11 10:30:22 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:30:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C935A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <380-22009821113309820@M2W034.mail2web.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C935A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFABD3@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Try a pick list instead of combo 2.  It isn't trivial, but it makes it a
lot clearer and is faster for the user.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:35 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

Rocky

No rush I can stall em,!

What I am trying is as you said a new table. 

The input for will have two combos. One displaying the event which
filters the second which will display the main guests already invited. 

Select the main guest in combo 2 and then view a list of names from
which the user can select one or more partners.

I then write the lot back to a table to be used for the merge.

My concern is that if this a large event there's a lot of clicking to be
done to add the additional guests. 

Martin




Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 14:30
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

What's your deadline for this? I'm out of town with the family until
Thursday but after that could help you offline.  Does this require an
input form or is the input coming from some other source?

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:09:57 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


Rocky

Just trying that now

Susan

yip all this "quick" jobs turn out to be so much more (<:

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:56
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

Martin:

How about a second table with two fields - the Main Guest PK and the
associated guest PK?  Then you could use a simple query to draw the data
you need to push into Word from the Guest table.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:46:11 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


The word part is Ok. I have that done for the main guest. In Access I
need to

Select the main guest.
Select their partners/s for the event

Create the Invite record containing

Main guest and multiple associated guests.

I need a simple way to associate the main guest with the additional
guest/s they would like to bring and then write this data back to a
table. I then use this data for the merge.

So Main Guest A could also bring B and C

At the moment I am using a multi select list box to allow them to select
several main guests. This I think could be the problem. If they select
several main guests how do I then associate the additional guests?

Maritn



Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
[ssharkins at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

> I am struggling with how to create the invite
>
> Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word 
> templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main 
> guest.

=======It sounds to me like you're really just collecting information
right -- the "invite" is really just a collection of data that you then
push out to Word. Is this correct?

Susan H.

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Tue Aug 11 10:33:39 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:33:39 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908110801x39146c00y1b86a3b77fc6dd25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908110801x39146c00y1b86a3b77fc6dd25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003401ca1a99$1afdce80$50f96b80$@spb.ru>

<<<
I've looked at a number of web-based reports
frameworks, and there is nothing that leaps 
out as a 'this is it' web reports alternative.
>>>
Hi Ken,

What about MS ReportViewer Control and it supporting .NET Framework
classlibs?
You know I have done quite a few MS advanced Access Reports with 10+ years
of MS Access development, as well as advanced Crystal Reports reports: yes,
MS ReportViewer control has some limitations because its reports are
rendered using HTML rules but that's it - I mean if we're talking about Web
Applications then MS ReportViewer Control should allow to do anything you
can do using MS Access Reports and more. You might need to do some things
manually, which you get from MS Access Reports using built-in features but I
think there shouldn't be that much of such features, and many other features
MS ReportViewer Control provides more than fully compensate some "missing
features"....

I can be wrong, I didn't try to compare MS Access reports vs. MS
ReportViewer Control reports - I'm talking just from my long term experience
in development of all kinds of MS Access reports, and not so long experience
of developing of MS ReportViewer control/MS SQL Reporting Services reports -
I do like the latter more now...

Of course just my development tools preference - BTW: .NET Framework, MS
ReportViewer Control, MS SQL Server Express, C#/VB.NET Express... - they all
are free....  

Thank you.

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 7:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

John,

Microsoft just bought Office.com to further push its web-based Office
offerings. They are in no way abandoning their desktop offerings, but they
feel the need to try to counteract the movement of Google, Zoho, etc. in the
web-based office applications market. That's indicative of the trend.

There are a number of projects afoot which allow a web application to 'fail
over' to a local data store when the internet is down, and re-sync when it
is back up.

As for your list of downsides:
1) Dozens of technologies
On the browser, I can really think of three important ones: HTML, CSS and
JavaScript. Oh, and these are internationally-defined standards, which is
the critical advantage of this 'thin-client' technology over the older
versions. Add a JavaScript framework, and you have four things you need to
become familiar with to do a good web front-end. On the back end, your task
is really no more difficult than coding unbound forms. And you have a wide
choice of server-side application frameworks to help you there.

2) Server load
Yes -- it is a server technology, isn't it? But Access places severe demands
on the network, so we really can't claim an advantage there.

3) Integration issues
I guess I'll have to hear more to understand what you mean here.

4) UI clumsy to say the least
In the IE6 days, yes to a much greater extent. Now that we have IE8 as our
lowest-common-denominator browser, you would be surprised at the
sophistication of UI that can be achieved with standards-based HTML, CSS and
a little JavaScript. Certainly more than adequate for the average data
application user.

5) User UI preferences harder to deal with
With CSS you have far greater ability to change the look of a web interface
than anything you can get in Access. HTML forms can dynamically re-scale,
and the font size can be dynamically changed, which Access can't easily do
(but, I haven't used 2003 or 2007, so that may have changed). Plus there is
built-in support for people with different abilities.

To be fair, the one thing Access has that the web still lacks is a
compelling reports capability. I've looked at a number of web-based reports
frameworks, and there is nothing that leaps out as a 'this is it' web
reports alternative.

-Ken
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 11 10:34:43 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:34:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re:  OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <ADBDA8532F854C0CB00E947EE684A716@danwaters>
References: <sa7ffa29.023@cactus.dk> <4A800E8E.1000907@colbyconsulting.com>
	<ADBDA8532F854C0CB00E947EE684A716@danwaters>
Message-ID: <4A818F93.6030105@colbyconsulting.com>

And this method is exactly the method I ended up using.  In my framework I have that exact code 
(with my own names of course) but basically check if a database pointer contains anything, then if 
not sets it, and always returns that db reference.  It is extremely fast.

I didn't do so based on any superior knowledge of the ins and outs of CurrentDb vs dbEngine(0)(0) (I 
don't have any superior knowledge about much of anything) but rather just because I always used 
CurrentDb and it was slow, and I decided to just use a "static" single reference to it.

It is nice to know that cleanup is not required however (no hanging db based on that).

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Dan Waters wrote:
> John,
> 
> This is a discussion (or slight rant) by Michael Kaplan on DBEngine(0)(0)
> vs. CurrentDB.
> 
> In my databases, I never change collections so I don't need CurrentDB.
> 
> Also, he says that DBEngine(0)(0) is 5000 time faster than CurrentDB.  I did
> a read looping test once and my result was that DBEngine(0)(0) was exactly 8
> times faster than CurrentDB.  I use many recordsets and I do see a
> performance improvement using DBEngine(0)(0) over CurrentDB.
> 
> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/9fe98bb5d7cba5ea
> ?hl=en&
> 
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re: OpenRecordSet question
> 
>  >     On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest
> status resulting from 
> refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly seen by db2 as well.
> There is no need for a 
> separate refresh via db2.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.
> 
> And therein lies the definition of when CurrentDb "should" be used?  When a
> view of the previous 
> state is required?
> 
> I know that I have always just used
> 
> dim db ad dao.database
> 	set db = currentdb
> 
> I do this in forms, functions, classes, wherever I need to use a db object
> to execute sql or open a 
> recordset or...
> 
> But WHY?????  Because that is the method I learned and so that is what I
> use.
> 
> However it does not seem the appropriate method of getting a database
> object, since it has a high 
> cost (time to create).  In all of these cases I do not care to know the
> previous state of the 
> database "skeleton" after doing whatever it is I am doing.  In fact in the
> vast majority of cases I 
> am not modifying the skeleton at all, just doing something data related.
> 
> So doesn't it seem appropriate to use dbengine (0)(0) to get my db pointer
> in these cases?  In fact 
> it seems necessary if I want any other open DB pointers to automatically see
> correct record counts 
> etc based on some other DB instance performing some append / delete.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi A.D.
>>
>> That makes sense. 
>>
>> However, I've never had a need to have a db1 and a db2 referring to the
> same database - only two different databases. But who knows, one day maybe?
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 10-08-2009 10:31 >>>
>> Gustav,
>>
>>      It seems that in order to get the revised status, say count of
> records after executing an append query, refresh method of pertinent
> collection needs to be called anyway, whether the pointer pertains to
> CurrentDb or DbEngine.
>>     If db1 and db2 are two object variables pointing to CurrentDb, and an
> append query has been executed via db1, latest status obtained by refresh of
> tabledefs via db1 (say  db1.TableDefs.Refresh) is not transparent to db2.
> For db2 also to see the uptodate position, explicit statement like
> db2.TableDefs.Refresh becomes necessary.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns
> False.
>>     On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest
> status resulting from refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly
> seen by db2 as well. There is no need for a separate refresh via db2.  The
> statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.    
>> Best wishes,
>> A.D. Tejpal
>> ------------
> 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Aug 11 10:36:05 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:36:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
Message-ID: <380-22009821115365491@M2W034.mail2web.com>

Sounds like you're on the right path.  I'll try to give you a call
Thursday.  Right now we're going mountain biking - we're in Mammoth Lakes
Cal. 

Where does the contact information for the main and partners come from? 
And are both being stored in the same table?

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:35:04 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


Rocky

No rush I can stall em,!

What I am trying is as you said a new table. 

The input for will have two combos. One displaying the event which filters
the second which will display the main guests already invited. 

Select the main guest in combo 2 and then view a list of names from which
the user can select one or more partners.

I then write the lot back to a table to be used for the merge.

My concern is that if this a large event there's a lot of clicking to be
done to add the additional guests. 

Martin




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Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com
[rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 14:30
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

What's your deadline for this? I'm out of town with the family until
Thursday but after that could help you offline.  Does this require an input
form or is the input coming from some other source?

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:09:57 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


Rocky

Just trying that now

Susan

yip all this "quick" jobs turn out to be so much more (<:

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com
[rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:56
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

Martin:

How about a second table with two fields - the Main Guest PK and the
associated guest PK?  Then you could use a simple query to draw the data
you need to push into Word from the Guest table.

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Martin Reid mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:46:11 +0100
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites


The word part is Ok. I have that done for the main guest. In Access I need
to

Select the main guest.
Select their partners/s for the event

Create the Invite record containing

Main guest and multiple associated guests.

I need a simple way to associate the main guest with the additional guest/s
they would like to bring and then write this data back to a table. I then
use this data for the merge.

So Main Guest A could also bring B and C

At the moment I am using a multi select list box to allow them to select
several main guests. This I think could be the problem. If they select
several main guests how do I then associate the additional guests?

Maritn



Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
[ssharkins at gmail.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 13:27
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

> I am struggling with how to create the invite
>
> Once the invite is done I then create the invitations using Word
> templates. This bit is also done but at the moment only for the main
> guest.

=======It sounds to me like you're really just collecting information
right -- the "invite" is really just a collection of data that you then push
out to Word. Is this correct?

Susan H.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 11 10:41:30 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:41:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908110801x39146c00y1b86a3b77fc6dd25@mail.gmail.com>
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 > 4) Now that we have IE8 as our lowest-common-denominator browser...

YOU have IE as the lowest common denominator.  I have firefox (holding steady at about 20% 
worldwide).  Others have Chrome, or ...

Web browsers HAVE no lowest common denominator.  And they don't all do the same things when...

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Kenneth Ismert wrote:
> John,
> 
> Microsoft just bought Office.com to further push its web-based Office
> offerings. They are in no way abandoning their desktop offerings, but they
> feel the need to try to counteract the movement of Google, Zoho, etc. in the
> web-based office applications market. That's indicative of the trend.
> 
> There are a number of projects afoot which allow a web application to 'fail
> over' to a local data store when the internet is down, and re-sync when it
> is back up.
> 
> As for your list of downsides:
> 1) Dozens of technologies
> On the browser, I can really think of three important ones: HTML, CSS and
> JavaScript. Oh, and these are internationally-defined standards, which is
> the critical advantage of this 'thin-client' technology over the older
> versions. Add a JavaScript framework, and you have four things you need to
> become familiar with to do a good web front-end. On the back end, your task
> is really no more difficult than coding unbound forms. And you have a wide
> choice of server-side application frameworks to help you there.
> 
> 2) Server load
> Yes -- it is a server technology, isn't it? But Access places severe demands
> on the network, so we really can't claim an advantage there.
> 
> 3) Integration issues
> I guess I'll have to hear more to understand what you mean here.
> 
> 4) UI clumsy to say the least
> In the IE6 days, yes to a much greater extent. Now that we have IE8 as our
> lowest-common-denominator browser, you would be surprised at the
> sophistication of UI that can be achieved with standards-based HTML, CSS and
> a little JavaScript. Certainly more than adequate for the average data
> application user.
> 
> 5) User UI preferences harder to deal with
> With CSS you have far greater ability to change the look of a web interface
> than anything you can get in Access. HTML forms can dynamically re-scale,
> and the font size can be dynamically changed, which Access can't easily do
> (but, I haven't used 2003 or 2007, so that may have changed). Plus there is
> built-in support for people with different abilities.
> 
> To be fair, the one thing Access has that the web still lacks is a
> compelling reports capability. I've looked at a number of web-based reports
> frameworks, and there is nothing that leaps out as a 'this is it' web
> reports alternative.
> 
> -Ken


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Tue Aug 11 10:44:02 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:44:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re:  OpenRecordSet question
In-Reply-To: <ADBDA8532F854C0CB00E947EE684A716@danwaters>
References: <sa7ffa29.023@cactus.dk> <4A800E8E.1000907@colbyconsulting.com>
	<ADBDA8532F854C0CB00E947EE684A716@danwaters>
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Dan,

  FWIW the difference between the two and the pros/cons have been in the ADH
since 95 I believe (97 for sure).  I've also seen that function he wrote
floating around for a while now. 

  I've always used CurrentDB() myself because it's always consistent with
the UI and at one point Microsoft was talking about allowing multiple DB's
to be opened in the Access UI.  In fact between Access 2 and 95, Microsoft
said CurrentDB() was to be phased out and then went back to it, so that
seemed likely.  Never came to pass though. I don't refer to dbEngine all
that often directly, unless I'm working with a remote database. 

  Probably stupid not to use that function though and get the best of both
worlds...

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re: OpenRecordSet question

John,

This is a discussion (or slight rant) by Michael Kaplan on DBEngine(0)(0)
vs. CurrentDB.

In my databases, I never change collections so I don't need CurrentDB.

Also, he says that DBEngine(0)(0) is 5000 time faster than CurrentDB.  I did
a read looping test once and my result was that DBEngine(0)(0) was exactly 8
times faster than CurrentDB.  I use many recordsets and I do see a
performance improvement using DBEngine(0)(0) over CurrentDB.

http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/9fe98bb5d7cba5ea
?hl=en&

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] dbEngine(0)(0) - was Re: OpenRecordSet question

 >     On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest
status resulting from 
refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly seen by db2 as well.
There is no need for a 
separate refresh via db2.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.

And therein lies the definition of when CurrentDb "should" be used?  When a
view of the previous 
state is required?

I know that I have always just used

dim db ad dao.database
	set db = currentdb

I do this in forms, functions, classes, wherever I need to use a db object
to execute sql or open a 
recordset or...

But WHY?????  Because that is the method I learned and so that is what I
use.

However it does not seem the appropriate method of getting a database
object, since it has a high 
cost (time to create).  In all of these cases I do not care to know the
previous state of the 
database "skeleton" after doing whatever it is I am doing.  In fact in the
vast majority of cases I 
am not modifying the skeleton at all, just doing something data related.

So doesn't it seem appropriate to use dbengine (0)(0) to get my db pointer
in these cases?  In fact 
it seems necessary if I want any other open DB pointers to automatically see
correct record counts 
etc based on some other DB instance performing some append / delete.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi A.D.
> 
> That makes sense. 
> 
> However, I've never had a need to have a db1 and a db2 referring to the
same database - only two different databases. But who knows, one day maybe?
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> adtp at airtelmail.in 10-08-2009 10:31 >>>
> Gustav,
> 
>      It seems that in order to get the revised status, say count of
records after executing an append query, refresh method of pertinent
collection needs to be called anyway, whether the pointer pertains to
CurrentDb or DbEngine.
> 
>     If db1 and db2 are two object variables pointing to CurrentDb, and an
append query has been executed via db1, latest status obtained by refresh of
tabledefs via db1 (say  db1.TableDefs.Refresh) is not transparent to db2.
For db2 also to see the uptodate position, explicit statement like
db2.TableDefs.Refresh becomes necessary.  The statement  db1 Is db2  returns
False.
> 
>     On the other hand, if  db1 and db2  point to DbEngine(0)(0), latest
status resulting from refresh of tabledefs collection via db1 is directly
seen by db2 as well. There is no need for a separate refresh via db2.  The
statement  db1 Is db2  returns True.    
> 
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
> ------------

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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 11:33:57 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:33:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
References: <380-22009821113309820@M2W034.mail2web.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C935A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <FC54BB8F77464B6DB6D43BB51C2FE6F3@SusanOne>

Select the main guest in combo 2 and then view a list of names from which 
the user can select one or more partners.

=======If they're all in the same table to begin with and if each additional 
guest can have only one main guest, can you use a self-join -- add a field 
that contains the main guest's PK? Populate from the self-join field???

Susan H.



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 11 11:35:53 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:35:53 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
In-Reply-To: <FC54BB8F77464B6DB6D43BB51C2FE6F3@SusanOne>
References: <380-22009821113309820@M2W034.mail2web.com><631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C935A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<FC54BB8F77464B6DB6D43BB51C2FE6F3@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFABDE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Self joins get messy if you delete a guest.  And can an additional guest
invite someone, or only the main guest?  A join table gives you more
flexibility at the cost of some maintenance.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:34 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

Select the main guest in combo 2 and then view a list of names from
which the user can select one or more partners.

=======If they're all in the same table to begin with and if each
additional guest can have only one main guest, can you use a self-join
-- add a field that contains the main guest's PK? Populate from the
self-join field???

Susan H.




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 11:46:37 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:46:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE0177@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <sa813411.048@cactus.dk>	<57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA3392D4@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE0177@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4a81a086.0a04d00a.5ccc.2659@mx.google.com>

What was I saying only a day or so ago....IQ levels need topping up again,
down under!!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 11 August 2009 14:04
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.

You "think" you were in Singapore last week?

Must have been a rough time you had there. :-)

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.

Thanks Gustav,

yep, I did miss that one - I think I was in Singapore that week so a lot of
backlog was filed into the trash :-/

cheers
Darryl


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 11 12:05:57 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:05:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFABDE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <380-22009821113309820@M2W034.mail2web.com><631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C935A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>	<FC54BB8F77464B6DB6D43BB51C2FE6F3@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFABDE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4A81A4F5.1060509@colbyconsulting.com>

Self joins have to point from child back to parent.  IOW there must be a parent ID (InvitedBYID in 
this case).  Any "invite" in this case can of course only be a guest (or invite) of a single other 
person.  Other than that it works.

The biggest issue is flattening it out, particularly if you have to have the entire path back to the 
original parent who has no other parent.

If "who invited me" is all that matters, then it is trivial, if the InvitedBy field contains 
anything other than zero then a name is pulled and displayed / printed (Outer join).

Of course if a guest invited guests, and that guest is deleted then you have orphaned invites.  You 
definitely should handle that in some manner.  The OnDelete event would work well.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Self joins get messy if you delete a guest.  And can an additional guest
> invite someone, or only the main guest?  A join table gives you more
> flexibility at the cost of some maintenance.
> 
> Charlotte Foust 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:34 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites
> 
> Select the main guest in combo 2 and then view a list of names from
> which the user can select one or more partners.
> 
> =======If they're all in the same table to begin with and if each
> additional guest can have only one main guest, can you use a self-join
> -- add a field that contains the main guest's PK? Populate from the
> self-join field???
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 


From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Aug 11 12:19:51 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:19:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A81912A.8010601@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908110801x39146c00y1b86a3b77fc6dd25@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A81912A.8010601@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00f501ca1aa7$efb2e620$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

> Web browsers HAVE no lowest common denominator.  And they
> don't all do the same things when...

Bingo. In my first webdev project using Javascript and cookies,
I had to code all sorts of case logic to handle not only the different
browser behavior...
 but also the COMBINATION of browser and operating system.
It was a huge hassle. Took forever to test.

Bottomline: each browser can render a web page differently.
Problem: no common rendering "engine".

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:42 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Zoho Access Migration Plugin
>
>  > 4) Now that we have IE8 as our lowest-common-denominator browser...
>
> YOU have IE as the lowest common denominator.  I have firefox
> (holding steady at about 20% worldwide).  Others have Chrome, or ...
>
> Web browsers HAVE no lowest common denominator.  And they
> don't all do the same things when...
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com





From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Tue Aug 11 12:36:21 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:36:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Event Invites
In-Reply-To: <4A81A4F5.1060509@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <380-22009821113309820@M2W034.mail2web.com><631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C935A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<FC54BB8F77464B6DB6D43BB51C2FE6F3@SusanOne>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFABDE@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>,
	<4A81A4F5.1060509@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C935B@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Each main guest can invite one or more additional guests. The additional guest cannot invite. As JC says the issue now is creating a flat record for the merge.

Used another table and a multi select list box. But it is a two stage  process at the moment. You invite one or more main guests. In response to prompt you can then select for each main guest one or more additional guests. This is then written to a table which details the main guest ID , the event ID and the ID of each additional guest.


What I have is a guest table which once the data is input gives me

M Reid Guest 1 Event2
M Reid Guest 2 Event2
M Reid Guest 3,  Event2

OH all unbound of course (<:

Martin



Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby [jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com]
Sent: 11 August 2009 18:05
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Event Invites

Self joins have to point from child back to parent.  IOW there must be a parent ID (InvitedBYID in
this case).  Any "invite" in this case can of course only be a guest (or invite) of a single other
person.  Other than that it works.

The biggest issue is flattening it out, particularly if you have to have the entire path back to the
original parent who has no other parent.

If "who invited me" is all that matters, then it is trivial, if the InvitedBy field contains
anything other than zero then a name is pulled and displayed / printed (Outer join).

Of course if a guest invited guests, and that guest is deleted then you have orphaned invites.  You
definitely should handle that in some manner.  The OnDelete event would work well.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From kismert at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 12:50:40 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:50:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <7c7841600908111050s5bab36d9m100fd8aa2632cad2@mail.gmail.com>

Some responses:

Mark Simms:
>John - that is the key problem in my mind.
>I don't think I've met very many developers that knew all of these well:
>raster graphics (Photoshop), vector graphics (Illustratator), CSS,
>Javascript, HTML, XML, SQL, SQL Server, MVC Frameworks, application
servers,
>ASP.NET <http://ASP.NET>, etc, etc...

You don't need graphics to do good forms. As for XML -- it isn't hard to
understand, and the work to use an XML specification (SOAP, etc.) is the
same whether you are doing a web app or an Access-based one. We all are
comfortable with SQL, and SQL Server (or MySQL, ...) isn't that big a leap.
As for frameworks, well, you won't hear John arguing against them ;)

The truth is, a moderately competent VBA coder under Access isn't going to
have a hard time adapting to coding a web server -- sure, there is a lot of
learning curve, but once you get to the other side, it's all fairly familiar
stuff.

> Now add all of the new interactive stuff like Silverlight and it's
> mind-boggling.

Actually, when Javascript acceleration technologies mature, Silverlight,
Flash and their ilk will not have a compelling performance advantage to
offset their downsides. Firefox, Chrome, and Safari all have open-source
Javascript acceleration efforts ongoing, and convergence is inevitable.

> However, the "UI clumsy" problem is disappearing with these
> new DHTML technologies.

Agreed.

Shamil Salakhetdinov:
> What about MS ReportViewer Control and it supporting .NET
Frameworkclasslibs?
> ... (snip) ...
> I do like the latter [MS ReportViewer control/MS SQL Reporting Services]
more now...

I haven't looked at that recently. The choice of a robust reporting platform
is a critical one for any migration plans for our app, so MS SQL Reporting
Services could possibly tip the scale to a more .NET oriented approach. I
will have to re-evaluate this option.

jwcolby:
> YOU have IE as the lowest common denominator.  I have firefox
> (holding steady at about 20% worldwide).  Others have Chrome, or ...

I meant that from a web developer viewpoint. To make a standards-compliant
web page that renders well in the widest range of current browsers, you pick
a good middle ground (FireFox), and ensure your page will render acceptably
in the least-capable browser that matters to you (IE6, IE7 or IE8).

If you choose IE6 as your LCD, getting a complex page to work is painful --
expect fully 2/3 of your total page development effort to be fixing IE6 bugs
and quirks.

If you choose IE7 as your your LCD, you get a very nice increase in
standards-compliance, and far fewer bugs. Expect about 1/4 of your total
page development effort to be fixing IE7.

The IE8 story is even better. If you are willing to live with 98% of what
XHTML and CSS 2.1 can give you, using IE8 as your LCD should add almost no
real overhead in page development. You would allow a graceful (but hardly
noticeable) degradation in IE7, and provide a much plainer (but still
functional) experience in IE6.

But, you do have to sacrifice advanced HTML5 features in Firefox 3.5, and
CSS3 features in Safari -- but almost no one is using browsers with those
capabilities, so it is almost no sacrifice.

-Ken


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 11 16:04:40 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:04:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <sa81f923.062@cactus.dk>

Hi Ken

Highly recommended. With an Access background, a bit hard to get acquainted with, but once you've got that far it's a wonderful and awesome tool. And free. Screen rendering is better than Access reports and export to Excel and PDF is ready by default producing stellar output.

/gustav

>>> kismert at gmail.com 11-08-2009 19:50 >>>

Shamil Salakhetdinov:
> What about MS ReportViewer Control and it supporting .NET Frameworkclasslibs?
> ... (snip) ...
> I do like the latter [MS ReportViewer control/MS SQL Reporting Services] more now...

I haven't looked at that recently. The choice of a robust reporting platform
is a critical one for any migration plans for our app, so MS SQL Reporting
Services could possibly tip the scale to a more .NET oriented approach. I
will have to re-evaluate this option.




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug 11 16:37:43 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:37:43 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A81912A.8010601@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908110801x39146c00y1b86a3b77fc6dd25@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A81912A.8010601@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A81E4A7.2713.18E6650B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Doesn't matter what *you* use - the lcd is the just the poorest performing browser you have 
to design for when building a web site or web-based application.

The LCD at present would have to be IE6. 

Based on Marketshare: 
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2

IE8  only has  12% of the market
IE6  still has the highest market share with more than 1 in 4 using it. It's the most popular 
browser out there as well as  certainly being the "lowest common denominator".
 
-- 
Stuart


On 11 Aug 2009 at 11:41, jwcolby wrote:

>  > 4) Now that we have IE8 as our lowest-common-denominator browser...
> 
> YOU have IE as the lowest common denominator.  I have firefox (holding steady at about 20% 
> worldwide).  Others have Chrome, or ...
> 
> Web browsers HAVE no lowest common denominator.  And they don't all do the same things when...
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Kenneth Ismert wrote:
> > John,
> > 
> > Microsoft just bought Office.com to further push its web-based Office
> > offerings. They are in no way abandoning their desktop offerings, but they
> > feel the need to try to counteract the movement of Google, Zoho, etc. in the
> > web-based office applications market. That's indicative of the trend.
> > 
> > There are a number of projects afoot which allow a web application to 'fail
> > over' to a local data store when the internet is down, and re-sync when it
> > is back up.
> > 
> > As for your list of downsides:
> > 1) Dozens of technologies
> > On the browser, I can really think of three important ones: HTML, CSS and
> > JavaScript. Oh, and these are internationally-defined standards, which is
> > the critical advantage of this 'thin-client' technology over the older
> > versions. Add a JavaScript framework, and you have four things you need to
> > become familiar with to do a good web front-end. On the back end, your task
> > is really no more difficult than coding unbound forms. And you have a wide
> > choice of server-side application frameworks to help you there.
> > 
> > 2) Server load
> > Yes -- it is a server technology, isn't it? But Access places severe demands
> > on the network, so we really can't claim an advantage there.
> > 
> > 3) Integration issues
> > I guess I'll have to hear more to understand what you mean here.
> > 
> > 4) UI clumsy to say the least
> > In the IE6 days, yes to a much greater extent. Now that we have IE8 as our
> > lowest-common-denominator browser, you would be surprised at the
> > sophistication of UI that can be achieved with standards-based HTML, CSS and
> > a little JavaScript. Certainly more than adequate for the average data
> > application user.
> > 
> > 5) User UI preferences harder to deal with
> > With CSS you have far greater ability to change the look of a web interface
> > than anything you can get in Access. HTML forms can dynamically re-scale,
> > and the font size can be dynamically changed, which Access can't easily do
> > (but, I haven't used 2003 or 2007, so that may have changed). Plus there is
> > built-in support for people with different abilities.
> > 
> > To be fair, the one thing Access has that the web still lacks is a
> > compelling reports capability. I've looked at a number of web-based reports
> > frameworks, and there is nothing that leaps out as a 'this is it' web
> > reports alternative.
> > 
> > -Ken
> -- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 11 16:52:14 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:52:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A81E4A7.2713.18E6650B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7c7841600908110801x39146c00y1b86a3b77fc6dd25@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A81912A.8010601@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A81E4A7.2713.18E6650B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A81E80E.9060009@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Doesn't matter what *you* use

My point exactly

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Doesn't matter what *you* use - the lcd is the just the poorest performing browser you have 
> to design for when building a web site or web-based application.
> 
> The LCD at present would have to be IE6. 
> 
> Based on Marketshare: 
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=2
> 
> IE8  only has  12% of the market
> IE6  still has the highest market share with more than 1 in 4 using it. It's the most popular 
> browser out there as well as  certainly being the "lowest common denominator".
>  


From cjlabs at worldnet.att.net  Tue Aug 11 21:31:54 2009
From: cjlabs at worldnet.att.net (Carolyn Johnson)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:31:54 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] send email through Windows Mail
References: <AB3D94F2750F4D56A0DEEE45B85BF489@Dell>
	<aea6c4950908110636g382c1f4cuf5c09141a5d79572@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A17D88FD76214DF2AC14AE26296B89B4@Dell>

Thanks for the links.   On quick glance, they look promising.

Carolyn Johnson


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Gary Kjos 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 8:36 AM
  Subject: Re: [AccessD] send email through Windows Mail


  I found this thread on a similar issue.

  http://forums.techarena.in/windows-vista-mail/527034.htm

  This one seem promising too

  http://www.ctimls.com/Support/KB/Error%20Fixes/Fix_Mapi_error.htm

  I wonder if Vista is trying to not allow a possible outgoing unwanted
  mail by what it thinks is a bug or virus or trojan or something?  I've
  not ever tried to send mail from an access ap so I can't be of much
  help. I know lots of other folks have so I'm surprised nobody has
  replied on this yet. Not many developers are using Vista I guess.

  Good luck figuring it out Carolyn.

  GK

  On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Carolyn
  Johnson<cjlabs at worldnet.att.net> wrote:
  > Vista, Access2003
  >
  > For WindowsXP, my users have the option of sending email via Outlook (using docmd.sendobject with Outlook as the default email program) or Outlook Express (using MAPI code).
  >
  > In Vista, the Outlook method still works. The MAPI code fails because it explicitly references Outlook Express.
  >
  > Interestly, if I set Windows Mail as the default email program, the email is still sent via Outlook.
  >
  >
  > I know next to nothing about different email protocols and cannot find any information on using Windows Mail with Access. Has anyone done this?
  >
  >
  > Thanks
  > Carolyn Johnson
  > St Louis
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  > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
  > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
  > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
  >



  -- 
  Gary Kjos
  garykjos at gmail.com

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From marksimms at verizon.net  Tue Aug 11 21:57:51 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:57:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A81E80E.9060009@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908110801x39146c00y1b86a3b77fc6dd25@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A81912A.8010601@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A81E4A7.2713.18E6650B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A81E80E.9060009@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003001ca1af8$aeb48c40$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

And it's exactly why webdev testing is so labor-intensive...
Which spawned all of the overseas IT consulting firms.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Zoho Access Migration Plugin
>
>  > Doesn't matter what *you* use
>
> My point exactly
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 11 22:16:37 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:16:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <003001ca1af8$aeb48c40$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
References: <7c7841600908110801x39146c00y1b86a3b77fc6dd25@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A81912A.8010601@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A81E4A7.2713.18E6650B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4A81E80E.9060009@colbyconsulting.com>
	<003001ca1af8$aeb48c40$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
Message-ID: <4A823415.5020801@colbyconsulting.com>

And it's exactly why web apps are not the panacea some make them out to be.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Mark Simms wrote:
> And it's exactly why webdev testing is so labor-intensive...
> Which spawned all of the overseas IT consulting firms.
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 5:52 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Zoho Access Migration Plugin
>>
>>  > Doesn't matter what *you* use
>>
>> My point exactly
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 


From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Tue Aug 11 22:42:19 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:42:19 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE0177@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA3392DB@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

hahahaha.  Those darn Raffles cocktails!! ;)  *hic*...
nah, it is more time just flys by. I should pay more attention to this sort of thing, but I don't.  All I can say is I love those birthday reminders thingys you can setup online, saves me every year! Wife doesn't like me missing her birthday. :)


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Heenan,
Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 11:04 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.


You "think" you were in Singapore last week?

Must have been a rough time you had there. :-)

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.

Thanks Gustav,

yep, I did miss that one - I think I was in Singapore that week so a lot of backlog was filed into the trash :-/

cheers
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From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Tue Aug 11 23:47:10 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:47:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.
In-Reply-To: <4a81a086.0a04d00a.5ccc.2659@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA3392DF@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

sssssh, Max, most of my family snuck into the gene pool whilst the lifeguard was dozing ;)

hehehehe....

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, 12 August 2009 2:47 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.


What was I saying only a day or so ago....IQ levels need topping up again,
down under!!

Max


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 11 August 2009 14:04
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.

You "think" you were in Singapore last week?

Must have been a rough time you had there. :-)

Lambert

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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Visa, Acess 2003 and Active X objects.

Thanks Gustav,

yep, I did miss that one - I think I was in Singapore that week so a lot of
backlog was filed into the trash :-/

cheers
Darryl


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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 05:13:45 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:13:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F924@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F924@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908120313r40565ebegba5afb41a7c02869@mail.gmail.com>

My first advice would be to convert the macro to VBA code so you can see
precisely what is happening. Macros in general are an inadequate approach,
IMO.
A.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have a macro with warnings turned off. One query when I run it outside
> the macro and it tries to append records to a table I get the message key
> violation cannot append 3 records do you wish to continue. When it runs in
> the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it can or what?
>
> In this same macro I run a number of queries and then open a report in
> print preview. The report has a close form button on it. When I click the
> close form button the results of the query that the report is based on comes
> up. I thought it should go back to the form that called the macro to run.
> How do I get it to close the query and go back to the first form.?
>
>


From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk  Wed Aug 12 06:22:59 2009
From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:22:59 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908120313r40565ebegba5afb41a7c02869@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C069102F924@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<29f585dd0908120313r40565ebegba5afb41a7c02869@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F7CC207D10E4475816717AE0998A8D7@AB>

> When it runs in the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it
> can or what?

Yes it appends only the records it can, conflicting records being ignored.
This is the same behaviour as when the append query is run outside the
macro, and it's the same behaviour as when you in T-SQL use the clause WITH
IGNORE_DUP_KEY = ON when creating a unique index.

Asger 


On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have a macro with warnings turned off. One query when I run it outside
> the macro and it tries to append records to a table I get the message key
> violation cannot append 3 records do you wish to continue. When it runs in
> the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it can or what?
>
> In this same macro I run a number of queries and then open a report in
> print preview. The report has a close form button on it. When I click the
> close form button the results of the query that the report is based on
comes
> up. I thought it should go back to the form that called the macro to run.
> How do I get it to close the query and go back to the first form.?
>
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 12 08:27:14 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:27:14 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions
Message-ID: <200908121227.n7CCRjMH016016@databaseadvisors.com>

Arthur, as for the report are you sure you're not opening the query yourself
in an earlier step of the macro? Then it would be in view behind the report.
If the report is bound to the query you don't need to open the query
yourself. If it's not that then I'm puzzled.

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<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions
Date: 12/08/09 11:20


> When it runs in the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it
> can or what?

Yes it appends only the records it can, conflicting records being ignored.
This is the same behaviour as when the append query is run outside the
macro, and it's the same behaviour as when you in T-SQL use the clause WITH
IGNORE_DUP_KEY = ON when creating a unique index.

Asger


On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have a macro with warnings turned off. One query when I run it outside
> the macro and it tries to append records to a table I get the message key
> violation cannot append 3 records do you wish to continue. When it runs in
> the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it can or what?
>
> In this same macro I run a number of queries and then open a report in
> print preview. The report has a close form button on it. When I click the
> close form button the results of the query that the report is based on
comes
> up. I thought it should go back to the form that called the macro to run.
> How do I get it to close the query and go back to the first form.?
>
>
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug 12 09:41:31 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:41:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
Message-ID: <380-220098312144131278@M2W029.mail2web.com>

Dear List:

Apparently Sendkeys does not work in Vista.  I know, I know, I shouldn't be
using SendKeys.  But this app was developed in A97 when it wasn't such a
disreputable technique.  But now, on a Vista box, SendKeys generates the
unhelpful error "Permission denied".

Is there a simple workaround for this?  Simpler than redesigning around the
use of sendkeys which admittedly only occurs in about a dozen places in my
app.

MTIA

Rocky


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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Wed Aug 12 09:53:51 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:53:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
In-Reply-To: <380-220098312144131278@M2W029.mail2web.com>
References: <380-220098312144131278@M2W029.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C936C@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Rocky

See

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=412021

Martin


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Sent: 12 August 2009 15:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Dear List:

Apparently Sendkeys does not work in Vista.  I know, I know, I shouldn't be
using SendKeys.  But this app was developed in A97 when it wasn't such a
disreputable technique.  But now, on a Vista box, SendKeys generates the
unhelpful error "Permission denied".

Is there a simple workaround for this?  Simpler than redesigning around the
use of sendkeys which admittedly only occurs in about a dozen places in my
app.

MTIA

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Wed Aug 12 10:01:39 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:01:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
References: <380-220098312144131278@M2W029.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <33BAA0798D834C81ABB9809A8135644E@Mattys>

Hi Rocky,

http://allapi.mentalis.org/apilist/4B981623F1261B6355ECC0E82C15C5C6.html

-
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MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
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To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:41 AM
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista


Dear List:

Apparently Sendkeys does not work in Vista.  I know, I know, I shouldn't be
using SendKeys.  But this app was developed in A97 when it wasn't such a
disreputable technique.  But now, on a Vista box, SendKeys generates the
unhelpful error "Permission denied".

Is there a simple workaround for this?  Simpler than redesigning around the
use of sendkeys which admittedly only occurs in about a dozen places in my
app.

MTIA

Rocky


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 12 10:24:48 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:24:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C936C@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <380-220098312144131278@M2W029.mail2web.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C936C@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
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Test it Rocky.  As far as I know it works in Vista if you aren't still
using the A97 libraries, because they were based on VB5.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Rocky

See

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=412021

Martin


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________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 12 August 2009 15:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Dear List:

Apparently Sendkeys does not work in Vista.  I know, I know, I shouldn't
be using SendKeys.  But this app was developed in A97 when it wasn't
such a disreputable technique.  But now, on a Vista box, SendKeys
generates the unhelpful error "Permission denied".

Is there a simple workaround for this?  Simpler than redesigning around
the use of sendkeys which admittedly only occurs in about a dozen places
in my app.

MTIA

Rocky





From JHewson at nciinc.com  Wed Aug 12 10:45:25 2009
From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim )
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:45:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes
Message-ID: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE46B@sanex101.nciinc.com>

I received a brochure on the upcoming DevConnnections in Las Vegas in
November this year.

There were a few things in the descriptions of the sessions that I
thought interesting...

... complete rewrite of Visual Studio (VS 2010).

... C# will get ... features of Visual Basic and vice sersa

... optional and named parameters in C# and the end of continuation
characters in Visual Basic

... MS outlines the future of C#

...to build great software ... you need more skills in C# or Visual
Basic (emphasis mine)

 

Interesting...

Jim

 


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug 12 11:02:22 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (rockysmolin at bchacc.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:02:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
Message-ID: <380-2200983121622217@M2W009.mail2web.com>

It's an A2K3 app.  The refrences all look like 11.0.  What should I look
for?

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Charlotte Foust cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:24:48 -0700
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista


Test it Rocky.  As far as I know it works in Vista if you aren't still
using the A97 libraries, because they were based on VB5.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Rocky

See

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=412021

Martin


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________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 12 August 2009 15:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Dear List:

Apparently Sendkeys does not work in Vista.  I know, I know, I shouldn't
be using SendKeys.  But this app was developed in A97 when it wasn't
such a disreputable technique.  But now, on a Vista box, SendKeys
generates the unhelpful error "Permission denied".

Is there a simple workaround for this?  Simpler than redesigning around
the use of sendkeys which admittedly only occurs in about a dozen places
in my app.

MTIA

Rocky



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Aug 12 11:54:22 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:54:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes
In-Reply-To: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE46B@sanex101.nciinc.com>
References: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE46B@sanex101.nciinc.com>
Message-ID: <006c01ca1b6d$8aea5a40$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

Wow, this is starting to look like the same decision-making process that
went into "the ribbon" !

> ... C# will get ... features of Visual Basic and vice sersa
WHY ?

> ... optional and named parameters in C#
WHAT TOOK SO LONG ?

> ... and the end of continuation characters in Visual Basic
WHY ?

> ... you need more skills in C# or Visual Basic (emphasis mine)
The first part I agree with, However....
VB.NET should be renamed VOBOL or VBOL or something similar to the
so-verbose and unwieldy and not-so-elegant COBOL language. It's not really
VB anymore.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hewson, Jim
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes
>
> I received a brochure on the upcoming DevConnnections in Las
> Vegas in November this year.
>
> There were a few things in the descriptions of the sessions
> that I thought interesting...
>
> ... complete rewrite of Visual Studio (VS 2010).
>
> ... C# will get ... features of Visual Basic and vice sersa
>
> ... optional and named parameters in C# and the end of
> continuation characters in Visual Basic
>
> ... MS outlines the future of C#
>
> ...to build great software ... you need more skills in C# or
> Visual Basic (emphasis mine)
>
>
>
> Interesting...
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 12 11:57:18 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:57:18 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
In-Reply-To: <380-2200983121622217@M2W009.mail2web.com>
References: <380-2200983121622217@M2W009.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC13@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Then it should work.  Try it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

It's an A2K3 app.  The refrences all look like 11.0.  What should I look
for?

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Charlotte Foust cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:24:48 -0700
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista


Test it Rocky.  As far as I know it works in Vista if you aren't still
using the A97 libraries, because they were based on VB5.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Rocky

See

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=412021

Martin


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com [rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 12 August 2009 15:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Dear List:

Apparently Sendkeys does not work in Vista.  I know, I know, I shouldn't
be using SendKeys.  But this app was developed in A97 when it wasn't
such a disreputable technique.  But now, on a Vista box, SendKeys
generates the unhelpful error "Permission denied".

Is there a simple workaround for this?  Simpler than redesigning around
the use of sendkeys which admittedly only occurs in about a dozen places
in my app.

MTIA

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 12 12:03:15 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:03:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DevConnections interesting notes
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VB's elegance is in the skill of the programmer not the name of the
tool.  I like the idea of giving them the same features and letting the
programmer decide which is more comfortable to use, and maybe it will
stop the idea that somehow you're only a "real" programmer if you use
C#.  

As for continuation characters, that one baffles me a bit unless they're
introducing some kind of block mechanism so you can break an overly long
line without the continuation character.  That's all I use them for
anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes

Wow, this is starting to look like the same decision-making process that
went into "the ribbon" !

> ... C# will get ... features of Visual Basic and vice sersa
WHY ?

> ... optional and named parameters in C#
WHAT TOOK SO LONG ?

> ... and the end of continuation characters in Visual Basic
WHY ?

> ... you need more skills in C# or Visual Basic (emphasis mine)
The first part I agree with, However....
VB.NET should be renamed VOBOL or VBOL or something similar to the
so-verbose and unwieldy and not-so-elegant COBOL language. It's not
really VB anymore.





From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Aug 12 12:21:53 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:21:53 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes
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Hi Jim,

Go for it (DevConnnections in Las Vegas in November this year) if you/your
company have some bucks to invest in the near future mainstream of MS shops
development (I'd go too but I'm leaving top far from Las Vegas :) Well, the
main issue is absence of needed resources to invest...)

I'd guess that:

<<<
... complete rewrite of Visual Studio (VS 2010).
>>>
Is mainly about

"The new WPF-based Editor in Visual Studio 2010"
http://www.redmondpie.com/the-new-wpf-based-visual-studio-2010/ 

As a consequence (I guess) VS2010 gets a new customization/extension/add-ins
development technology, which will allow to present different sources used
in VS2010 projects, by using rich WPF features - here is one example how a
list of Solar System planets can be presented graphically by using WPF
transformations:

"The Power of Styles and Templates"
http://bea.stollnitz.com/blog/?p=40

<<<
... C# will get ... features of Visual Basic and vice versa
>>>
Yes - based on .NET 4.0 Dynamic Language Runtime (DLR)
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Language_Runtime )... 

"C# 4.0 Features" (some new ones )
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/cs/CSharp4_Features.aspx 

...and DLR "...makes building a new language implementation ridiculously
easy"
http://listeningtoreason.blogspot.com/2008/02/net-dlr-makes-building-new-lan
guage.html


I'd also note that C# is getting more and more Ruby features (again thanks
to DLR),
and VS2010 will also hopefully get long awaited IronBuby 1.0 release:

http://ironruby.codeplex.com/Release/ProjectReleases.aspx?ReleaseId=27606 

and a new version (2.x) of IronPython:
http://www.codeplex.com/Wiki/View.aspx?ProjectName=IronPython 

(although I'm not sure I will have time to learn/use them in development)

VS2010 will also get TPL(Task Parallel Library) and PLINQ:
"Going Parallel with the Task Parallel Library and PLINQ"
http://www.developer.com/net/print.php/3827326 
"Samples for Parallel Programming with the .NET Framework 4"
http://blogs.msdn.com/pfxteam/archive/2009/05/20/9633116.aspx

(that is important feature - I have just recently programmed a
multi-threaded app for my customer and PLING will makes such apps running
much faster)

Also "F# to ship as part of Visual Studio 2010"
http://blogs.msdn.com/dsyme/archive/2008/12/10/fsharp-to-ship-as-part-of-vis
ual-studio-2010.aspx 
".NET Framework 4 Poster"

The new features of .NET Framework 4.0 can be found in:
http://blogs.msdn.com/brada/archive/2008/10/29/net-framework-4-poster.aspx 

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. BTW, originally VB4.0, and then VBA (in MS Access 95/97) got dynamic
language features (late binding) using rather different from DLR technology
- you know it - that was/is called Common Object Model (COM), we use it
every day - it still drives MS Windows Systems, and we all know rather well
some of its negative consequences as, e.g. "DLL-Hell"...  

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:45 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes

I received a brochure on the upcoming DevConnnections in Las Vegas in
November this year.

There were a few things in the descriptions of the sessions that I
thought interesting...

... complete rewrite of Visual Studio (VS 2010).

... C# will get ... features of Visual Basic and vice sersa

... optional and named parameters in C# and the end of continuation
characters in Visual Basic

... MS outlines the future of C#

...to build great software ... you need more skills in C# or Visual
Basic (emphasis mine)

 

Interesting...

Jim

 


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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Wed Aug 12 12:28:26 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:28:26 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes
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<<<
It's not really VB anymore.
>>>
What's the difference, Mike?

You can use subset of VB.NET to write code 100%(?) similar to VB6/VBA.

And I'd note that in this case VB.NET will be "the best ever VB6" because it
doesn't have VB6 bugs and "blues". And a developer coming from VBA to VB.NET
will feel so well relieved/healed from long lasting "VBA pains"...

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes

Wow, this is starting to look like the same decision-making process that
went into "the ribbon" !

> ... C# will get ... features of Visual Basic and vice sersa
WHY ?

> ... optional and named parameters in C#
WHAT TOOK SO LONG ?

> ... and the end of continuation characters in Visual Basic
WHY ?

> ... you need more skills in C# or Visual Basic (emphasis mine)
The first part I agree with, However....
VB.NET should be renamed VOBOL or VBOL or something similar to the
so-verbose and unwieldy and not-so-elegant COBOL language. It's not really
VB anymore.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hewson, Jim
> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:45 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes
>
> I received a brochure on the upcoming DevConnnections in Las
> Vegas in November this year.
>
> There were a few things in the descriptions of the sessions
> that I thought interesting...
>
> ... complete rewrite of Visual Studio (VS 2010).
>
> ... C# will get ... features of Visual Basic and vice sersa
>
> ... optional and named parameters in C# and the end of
> continuation characters in Visual Basic
>
> ... MS outlines the future of C#
>
> ...to build great software ... you need more skills in C# or
> Visual Basic (emphasis mine)
>
>
>
> Interesting...
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 12:35:44 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:35:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
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Or better yet, what is it that you are using Send Keys to do?

Maybe you can do it a different way now in later versions.

D


From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Wed Aug 12 12:36:05 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:36:05 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions
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You are right about the query. That fixed it. Thanks.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions

Arthur, as for the report are you sure you're not opening the query yourself
in an earlier step of the macro? Then it would be in view behind the report.
If the report is bound to the query you don't need to open the query
yourself. If it's not that then I'm puzzled.

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--------- Original Message --------
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions
Date: 12/08/09 11:20


> When it runs in the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it
> can or what?

Yes it appends only the records it can, conflicting records being ignored.
This is the same behaviour as when the append query is run outside the
macro, and it's the same behaviour as when you in T-SQL use the clause WITH
IGNORE_DUP_KEY = ON when creating a unique index.

Asger


On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have a macro with warnings turned off. One query when I run it outside
> the macro and it tries to append records to a table I get the message key
> violation cannot append 3 records do you wish to continue. When it runs in
> the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it can or what?
>
> In this same macro I run a number of queries and then open a report in
> print preview. The report has a close form button on it. When I click the
> close form button the results of the query that the report is based on
comes
> up. I thought it should go back to the form that called the macro to run.
> How do I get it to close the query and go back to the first form.?
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Wed Aug 12 13:00:03 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:00:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions
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Message-ID: <8343FB9112E248CA8D47072A0BD60F28@MINSTER>

Oops sorry Chester. I looked and thought the original question was from
Arthur. Anyway, glad it's fixed.

Andy

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Sent: 12 August 2009 18:36
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You are right about the query. That fixed it. Thanks.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:27 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions

Arthur, as for the report are you sure you're not opening the query yourself
in an earlier step of the macro? Then it would be in view behind the report.
If the report is bound to the query you don't need to open the query
yourself. If it's not that then I'm puzzled.

--
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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A couple of macro questions
Date: 12/08/09 11:20


> When it runs in the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it
> can or what?

Yes it appends only the records it can, conflicting records being ignored.
This is the same behaviour as when the append query is run outside the
macro, and it's the same behaviour as when you in T-SQL use the clause WITH
IGNORE_DUP_KEY = ON when creating a unique index.

Asger


On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Kaup, Chester <
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com> wrote:

> I have a macro with warnings turned off. One query when I run it outside
> the macro and it tries to append records to a table I get the message key
> violation cannot append 3 records do you wish to continue. When it runs in
> the macro what happens. Does it append only the records it can or what?
>
> In this same macro I run a number of queries and then open a report in
> print preview. The report has a close form button on it. When I click the
> close form button the results of the query that the report is based on
comes
> up. I thought it should go back to the form that called the macro to run.
> How do I get it to close the query and go back to the first form.?
>
>
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From kismert at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 13:01:21 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:01:21 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>

Mark Simms:
> Bingo. In my first webdev project using Javascript and cookies,
> I had to code all sorts of case logic to handle not only the different
> browser behavior...
> but also the COMBINATION of browser and operating system.
> It was a huge hassle. Took forever to test.

Which is why I recommend using a Javasript framework. Rule of thumb: your
Javascript should either be so simple that it runs on all platforms without
platform detection, or you should use a framework that abstracts away all of
the platform differences. If you use AJAX, use a framework.

Also, with modern HTML and CSS, you can accomplish many tasks that required
Javascript in years past.

> Bottomline: each browser can render a web page differently.
> Problem: no common rendering "engine".

All modern browsers pass the Acid2 test:
http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/

And most make significant inroads on Acid3:
http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3/

The point is, things are significantly better now with modern browsers. Your
development experience back then does not have to be repeated today.


Stuart McLachlan:
> The LCD at present would have to be IE6.

The LCD is what you choose it to be. There is significant push-back on IE6:

Googles Orkut social network is phasing out support for IE6:
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/IE6-Dead-Browser-Walking-67840.html
http://stuff.techwhack.com/7086-orkut-ie6

Digg is considering the same, sparking protests from MS:
http://technologizer.com/2009/08/11/should-microsoft-kill-ie6/
http://www.crn.com/software/219200327;jsessionid=2FOP5F3GR525XQE1GHOSKHWATMY32JVN

There is even a site dedicated to moving away from IE6:
http://www.ie6nomore.com/

As the web becomes a more hostile place, even corporate installations, the
last remaining bulwark of IE6 users, can't ignore the numerous security
enhancements in IE7 and IE8.

I think the trend will become: support IE8 with the 'full user experience',
support IE7 with 'minor' experience downgrades but no loss of functionality,
and support IE6 in a 'crippled' mode, with clear indications of what to do
to fix the problem.

Modern browsers render much more alike, and modern Javascript frameworks
resolve the most significant cross-platform issues. Modern web app
development need not be the painful ordeal it was in the bad old days.

-Ken


From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Aug 12 14:25:00 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 15:25:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
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Funny....
I've been waiting for 6 months for Firefox to be fixed to render a web page
that IE6 rendered easily.
Sent them 3 tech support requests. It was never fixed.
It was some sort of "grid" heavily CSS-based.
The website must have been getting complaints as a result of complaints from
Firefox users....
so they changed it to show the data as PDF file links !
That's great progress....and very typical of "today's" tech environment:
Doing the right thing, versus DOING THINGS RIGHT.
>
> All modern browsers pass the Acid2 test:
> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
>
> And most make significant inroads on Acid3:
> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3/
>
> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
> browsers. Your development experience back then does not have
> to be repeated today.

You are partially correct..it was back in the oh-so-awful days of Netscape !





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 12 15:00:56 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:00:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
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 >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern browsers. Your development 
experience back then does not have to be repeated today.

And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.

I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email me "we sent you" and "we 
received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.

Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the "outlines" of where there 
should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render correctly, some don't.  It 
APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they insert into the page to be 
rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL render correctly.

The bigger point here is that Access "renders" fine regardless.  As does VB / C# .Net.  HTML is just 
too "out there", and the render engines are too independently defined to be 100% reliable.  So we 
have the question "am I going to put my business on that foundation"?  If I am NOT going to try to 
access the database remotely over the web, if I am just doing this internal, why in the world would 
I do that?

Think about this Blockbuster experience.  I am a database developer for some company, and suddenly I 
am stopping what I am doing to try to figure out why the render engine (at the far end no less) is 
dropping all of the pictures.  THAT IS NOT DATABASE STUFF, not application stuff!!!  That is not my 
application, that is not what they hired me to do.  Now I understand that Blockbuster has a pressing 
need, but the point is that if I am a developer for an INTERNAL application, I would be thinking 
VERY carefully about this kind of experience before I recommended going to a browser based application.

Whether you do Access or a .Net is a whole 'nother question, but to try and make an application 
"browser based" just seems to be a non-starter UNLESS there is a pressing need to do so that is not 
being addressed by a "Windows Native" application.  "Just because it's cool" is not (IMHO) a 
pressing need.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Mark Simms wrote:
> Funny....
> I've been waiting for 6 months for Firefox to be fixed to render a web page
> that IE6 rendered easily.
> Sent them 3 tech support requests. It was never fixed.
> It was some sort of "grid" heavily CSS-based.
> The website must have been getting complaints as a result of complaints from
> Firefox users....
> so they changed it to show the data as PDF file links !
> That's great progress....and very typical of "today's" tech environment:
> Doing the right thing, versus DOING THINGS RIGHT.
>> All modern browsers pass the Acid2 test:
>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
>>
>> And most make significant inroads on Acid3:
>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3/
>>
>> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
>> browsers. Your development experience back then does not have
>> to be repeated today.
> 
> You are partially correct..it was back in the oh-so-awful days of Netscape !
> 
> 
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 15:11:38 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:11:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
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Message-ID: <4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>

If they don't shown on your email, in general, it will because of an error
in the way the email was constructed by the sender.  Embedding graphics etc
is difficult (for me)

Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 12 August 2009 21:01
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

 >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern browsers.
Your development 
experience back then does not have to be repeated today.

And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.

I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email me
"we sent you" and "we 
received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.

Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the
"outlines" of where there 
should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render
correctly, some don't.  It 
APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they
insert into the page to be 
rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL
render correctly.

The bigger point here is that Access "renders" fine regardless.  As does VB
/ C# .Net.  HTML is just 
too "out there", and the render engines are too independently defined to be
100% reliable.  So we 
have the question "am I going to put my business on that foundation"?  If I
am NOT going to try to 
access the database remotely over the web, if I am just doing this internal,
why in the world would 
I do that?

Think about this Blockbuster experience.  I am a database developer for some
company, and suddenly I 
am stopping what I am doing to try to figure out why the render engine (at
the far end no less) is 
dropping all of the pictures.  THAT IS NOT DATABASE STUFF, not application
stuff!!!  That is not my 
application, that is not what they hired me to do.  Now I understand that
Blockbuster has a pressing 
need, but the point is that if I am a developer for an INTERNAL application,
I would be thinking 
VERY carefully about this kind of experience before I recommended going to a
browser based application.

Whether you do Access or a .Net is a whole 'nother question, but to try and
make an application 
"browser based" just seems to be a non-starter UNLESS there is a pressing
need to do so that is not 
being addressed by a "Windows Native" application.  "Just because it's cool"
is not (IMHO) a 
pressing need.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Mark Simms wrote:
> Funny....
> I've been waiting for 6 months for Firefox to be fixed to render a web
page
> that IE6 rendered easily.
> Sent them 3 tech support requests. It was never fixed.
> It was some sort of "grid" heavily CSS-based.
> The website must have been getting complaints as a result of complaints
from
> Firefox users....
> so they changed it to show the data as PDF file links !
> That's great progress....and very typical of "today's" tech environment:
> Doing the right thing, versus DOING THINGS RIGHT.
>> All modern browsers pass the Acid2 test:
>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
>>
>> And most make significant inroads on Acid3:
>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3/
>>
>> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
>> browsers. Your development experience back then does not have
>> to be repeated today.
> 
> You are partially correct..it was back in the oh-so-awful days of Netscape
!
> 
> 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 15:21:50 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:21:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Judge issues injunction against sales of Microsoft
	Word
Message-ID: <4a832491.0a04d00a.61fc.3546@mx.google.com>

That?s going to cause some problems for you guys who interface to it??

 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 12 15:45:06 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:45:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>	<003001ca1b82$95e1ebb0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>	<4A831F78.8020202@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.

ROTFL, if course it is something to do with rendering.  Your default browser renders the email when 
it includes HTML.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> If they don't shown on your email, in general, it will because of an error
> in the way the email was constructed by the sender.  Embedding graphics etc
> is difficult (for me)
> 
> Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 12 August 2009 21:01
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> 
>  >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern browsers.
> Your development 
> experience back then does not have to be repeated today.
> 
> And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.
> 
> I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email me
> "we sent you" and "we 
> received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.
> 
> Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the
> "outlines" of where there 
> should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render
> correctly, some don't.  It 
> APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they
> insert into the page to be 
> rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL
> render correctly.
> 
> The bigger point here is that Access "renders" fine regardless.  As does VB
> / C# .Net.  HTML is just 
> too "out there", and the render engines are too independently defined to be
> 100% reliable.  So we 
> have the question "am I going to put my business on that foundation"?  If I
> am NOT going to try to 
> access the database remotely over the web, if I am just doing this internal,
> why in the world would 
> I do that?
> 
> Think about this Blockbuster experience.  I am a database developer for some
> company, and suddenly I 
> am stopping what I am doing to try to figure out why the render engine (at
> the far end no less) is 
> dropping all of the pictures.  THAT IS NOT DATABASE STUFF, not application
> stuff!!!  That is not my 
> application, that is not what they hired me to do.  Now I understand that
> Blockbuster has a pressing 
> need, but the point is that if I am a developer for an INTERNAL application,
> I would be thinking 
> VERY carefully about this kind of experience before I recommended going to a
> browser based application.
> 
> Whether you do Access or a .Net is a whole 'nother question, but to try and
> make an application 
> "browser based" just seems to be a non-starter UNLESS there is a pressing
> need to do so that is not 
> being addressed by a "Windows Native" application.  "Just because it's cool"
> is not (IMHO) a 
> pressing need.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Mark Simms wrote:
>> Funny....
>> I've been waiting for 6 months for Firefox to be fixed to render a web
> page
>> that IE6 rendered easily.
>> Sent them 3 tech support requests. It was never fixed.
>> It was some sort of "grid" heavily CSS-based.
>> The website must have been getting complaints as a result of complaints
> from
>> Firefox users....
>> so they changed it to show the data as PDF file links !
>> That's great progress....and very typical of "today's" tech environment:
>> Doing the right thing, versus DOING THINGS RIGHT.
>>> All modern browsers pass the Acid2 test:
>>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
>>>
>>> And most make significant inroads on Acid3:
>>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3/
>>>
>>> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
>>> browsers. Your development experience back then does not have
>>> to be repeated today.
>> You are partially correct..it was back in the oh-so-awful days of Netscape
> !
>>
>>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 15:52:48 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:52:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>	<003001ca1b82$95e1ebb0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>	<4A831F78.8020202@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>
	<4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a832bd4.1818d00a.119e.4d11@mx.google.com>

Nope!  It renders what is presented, nothing more, nothing less. If not
presented correctly, it renders incorrectly.

Nothing if not argumentative.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 12 August 2009 21:45
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

 > Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.

ROTFL, if course it is something to do with rendering.  Your default browser
renders the email when 
it includes HTML.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> If they don't shown on your email, in general, it will because of an error
> in the way the email was constructed by the sender.  Embedding graphics
etc
> is difficult (for me)
> 
> Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 12 August 2009 21:01
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> 
>  >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
browsers.
> Your development 
> experience back then does not have to be repeated today.
> 
> And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.
> 
> I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email
me
> "we sent you" and "we 
> received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.
> 
> Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the
> "outlines" of where there 
> should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render
> correctly, some don't.  It 
> APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they
> insert into the page to be 
> rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL
> render correctly.
> 
> The bigger point here is that Access "renders" fine regardless.  As does
VB
> / C# .Net.  HTML is just 
> too "out there", and the render engines are too independently defined to
be
> 100% reliable.  So we 
> have the question "am I going to put my business on that foundation"?  If
I
> am NOT going to try to 
> access the database remotely over the web, if I am just doing this
internal,
> why in the world would 
> I do that?
> 
> Think about this Blockbuster experience.  I am a database developer for
some
> company, and suddenly I 
> am stopping what I am doing to try to figure out why the render engine (at
> the far end no less) is 
> dropping all of the pictures.  THAT IS NOT DATABASE STUFF, not application
> stuff!!!  That is not my 
> application, that is not what they hired me to do.  Now I understand that
> Blockbuster has a pressing 
> need, but the point is that if I am a developer for an INTERNAL
application,
> I would be thinking 
> VERY carefully about this kind of experience before I recommended going to
a
> browser based application.
> 
> Whether you do Access or a .Net is a whole 'nother question, but to try
and
> make an application 
> "browser based" just seems to be a non-starter UNLESS there is a pressing
> need to do so that is not 
> being addressed by a "Windows Native" application.  "Just because it's
cool"
> is not (IMHO) a 
> pressing need.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Mark Simms wrote:
>> Funny....
>> I've been waiting for 6 months for Firefox to be fixed to render a web
> page
>> that IE6 rendered easily.
>> Sent them 3 tech support requests. It was never fixed.
>> It was some sort of "grid" heavily CSS-based.
>> The website must have been getting complaints as a result of complaints
> from
>> Firefox users....
>> so they changed it to show the data as PDF file links !
>> That's great progress....and very typical of "today's" tech environment:
>> Doing the right thing, versus DOING THINGS RIGHT.
>>> All modern browsers pass the Acid2 test:
>>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
>>>
>>> And most make significant inroads on Acid3:
>>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3/
>>>
>>> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
>>> browsers. Your development experience back then does not have
>>> to be repeated today.
>> You are partially correct..it was back in the oh-so-awful days of
Netscape
> !
>>
>>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 12 16:43:01 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:43:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A831F78.8020202@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<003001ca1b82$95e1ebb0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>,
	<4A831F78.8020202@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A833765.21493.32A8880@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

HTML and email are not a happy a marriage.  Many email programs don't use a browser to 
render it, they have their own engine.  And don't get started on the cr*p HTML that we get 
from people who use MS Word as their Outlook editor - It's no surprise that a lot of it doesn't 
render properly.  


On 12 Aug 2009 at 16:00, jwcolby wrote:

>  >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern browsers. Your development 
> experience back then does not have to be repeated today.
> 
> And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.
> 
> I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email me "we sent you" and "we 
> received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.
> 
> Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the "outlines" of where there 
> should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render correctly, some don't.  It 
> APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they insert into the page to be 
> rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL render correctly.
> 



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 12 16:52:08 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:52:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>,
	<4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A833988.6125.332E2DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Mine doesn't.   I refuse to use a mailer that users any browser to render HTML - that's how 
your system gets pwned.

My mailer (Pegasus Mail) uses a completely separate HTML engine which does not execute 
ANY scripts and does not downloaded linked graphics by default.

And you'll find that Outlook does not use your "default browser".  Even if you are configured 
to use Firefox as your browser, your HTML mail will be rendered by either  IE or MS Word  
depending on which version you use - prior to Office 2007 it was IE, for 2007 and apparently 
for 2010, it is rendered by MS Word.

-- 
Stuart


On 12 Aug 2009 at 16:45, jwcolby wrote:

>  > Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.
> 
> ROTFL, if course it is something to do with rendering.  Your default browser renders the email when 
> it includes HTML.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
> > If they don't shown on your email, in general, it will because of an error
> > in the way the email was constructed by the sender.  Embedding graphics etc
> > is difficult (for me)
> > 
> > Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: 12 August 2009 21:01
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> > 
> >  >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern browsers.
> > Your development 
> > experience back then does not have to be repeated today.
> > 
> > And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.
> > 
> > I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email me
> > "we sent you" and "we 
> > received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.
> > 
> > Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the
> > "outlines" of where there 
> > should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render
> > correctly, some don't.  It 
> > APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they
> > insert into the page to be 
> > rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL
> > render correctly.
> > 
> > The bigger point here is that Access "renders" fine regardless.  As does VB
> > / C# .Net.  HTML is just 
> > too "out there", and the render engines are too independently defined to be
> > 100% reliable.  So we 
> > have the question "am I going to put my business on that foundation"?  If I
> > am NOT going to try to 
> > access the database remotely over the web, if I am just doing this internal,
> > why in the world would 
> > I do that?
> > 
> > Think about this Blockbuster experience.  I am a database developer for some
> > company, and suddenly I 
> > am stopping what I am doing to try to figure out why the render engine (at
> > the far end no less) is 
> > dropping all of the pictures.  THAT IS NOT DATABASE STUFF, not application
> > stuff!!!  That is not my 
> > application, that is not what they hired me to do.  Now I understand that
> > Blockbuster has a pressing 
> > need, but the point is that if I am a developer for an INTERNAL application,
> > I would be thinking 
> > VERY carefully about this kind of experience before I recommended going to a
> > browser based application.
> > 
> > Whether you do Access or a .Net is a whole 'nother question, but to try and
> > make an application 
> > "browser based" just seems to be a non-starter UNLESS there is a pressing
> > need to do so that is not 
> > being addressed by a "Windows Native" application.  "Just because it's cool"
> > is not (IMHO) a 
> > pressing need.
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > 
> > 
> > Mark Simms wrote:
> >> Funny....
> >> I've been waiting for 6 months for Firefox to be fixed to render a web
> > page
> >> that IE6 rendered easily.
> >> Sent them 3 tech support requests. It was never fixed.
> >> It was some sort of "grid" heavily CSS-based.
> >> The website must have been getting complaints as a result of complaints
> > from
> >> Firefox users....
> >> so they changed it to show the data as PDF file links !
> >> That's great progress....and very typical of "today's" tech environment:
> >> Doing the right thing, versus DOING THINGS RIGHT.
> >>> All modern browsers pass the Acid2 test:
> >>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
> >>>
> >>> And most make significant inroads on Acid3:
> >>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3/
> >>>
> >>> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
> >>> browsers. Your development experience back then does not have
> >>> to be repeated today.
> >> You are partially correct..it was back in the oh-so-awful days of Netscape
> > !
> >>
> >>
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 12 17:01:08 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:01:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>,
	<4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A833BA4.24559.33B20AA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

See  
http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs/2007/01/10/microsoft-breaks-html-email-rendering-in-
outlook/

On 12 Aug 2009 at 16:45, jwcolby wrote:

>  > Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.
> 
> ROTFL, if course it is something to do with rendering.  Your default browser renders the email when 
> it includes HTML.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
> > If they don't shown on your email, in general, it will because of an error
> > in the way the email was constructed by the sender.  Embedding graphics etc
> > is difficult (for me)
> > 
> > Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: 12 August 2009 21:01
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> > 
> >  >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern browsers.
> > Your development 
> > experience back then does not have to be repeated today.
> > 
> > And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.
> > 
> > I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email me
> > "we sent you" and "we 
> > received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.
> > 
> > Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the
> > "outlines" of where there 
> > should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render
> > correctly, some don't.  It 
> > APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they
> > insert into the page to be 
> > rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL
> > render correctly.
> > 
> > The bigger point here is that Access "renders" fine regardless.  As does VB
> > / C# .Net.  HTML is just 
> > too "out there", and the render engines are too independently defined to be
> > 100% reliable.  So we 
> > have the question "am I going to put my business on that foundation"?  If I
> > am NOT going to try to 
> > access the database remotely over the web, if I am just doing this internal,
> > why in the world would 
> > I do that?
> > 
> > Think about this Blockbuster experience.  I am a database developer for some
> > company, and suddenly I 
> > am stopping what I am doing to try to figure out why the render engine (at
> > the far end no less) is 
> > dropping all of the pictures.  THAT IS NOT DATABASE STUFF, not application
> > stuff!!!  That is not my 
> > application, that is not what they hired me to do.  Now I understand that
> > Blockbuster has a pressing 
> > need, but the point is that if I am a developer for an INTERNAL application,
> > I would be thinking 
> > VERY carefully about this kind of experience before I recommended going to a
> > browser based application.
> > 
> > Whether you do Access or a .Net is a whole 'nother question, but to try and
> > make an application 
> > "browser based" just seems to be a non-starter UNLESS there is a pressing
> > need to do so that is not 
> > being addressed by a "Windows Native" application.  "Just because it's cool"
> > is not (IMHO) a 
> > pressing need.
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > 
> > 
> > Mark Simms wrote:
> >> Funny....
> >> I've been waiting for 6 months for Firefox to be fixed to render a web
> > page
> >> that IE6 rendered easily.
> >> Sent them 3 tech support requests. It was never fixed.
> >> It was some sort of "grid" heavily CSS-based.
> >> The website must have been getting complaints as a result of complaints
> > from
> >> Firefox users....
> >> so they changed it to show the data as PDF file links !
> >> That's great progress....and very typical of "today's" tech environment:
> >> Doing the right thing, versus DOING THINGS RIGHT.
> >>> All modern browsers pass the Acid2 test:
> >>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
> >>>
> >>> And most make significant inroads on Acid3:
> >>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3/
> >>>
> >>> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
> >>> browsers. Your development experience back then does not have
> >>> to be repeated today.
> >> You are partially correct..it was back in the oh-so-awful days of Netscape
> > !
> >>
> >>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 12 17:11:32 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:11:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A833765.21493.32A8880@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<003001ca1b82$95e1ebb0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>,
	<4A831F78.8020202@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A833765.21493.32A8880@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A833E14.3050707@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL, HTML and (insert your favorite thing here) are not a happy marriage.  I run into entire sites 
that refuse to display anything and tell me to open it in IE.  How RUDE!

And why, because this whole thing HTML thing is so sucky that they decide "screw it, we will only 
make it work in IE".  Which MS LOVES of course.  How RUDE.

I don't use IE for a reason.  Unless it is something that I absolutely HAVE to go to I just move on 
and don't visit their page at all.

All of which merely confirms my statement that unless there is a valid reason, using a browser 
interface for an application is a huge mistake.  You immediately open yourself up to all of this 
crap that we have been discussing.  If your application is a "windows only" application that will be 
for internal consumption then "browser based" is a mistake that WILL bite you in the ass someday.

Windows has a perfectly good "rendering engine", that is waaaaaayyyyy more flexible, capable and 
bulletproof than trying to throw a browser in the middle.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> HTML and email are not a happy a marriage.  Many email programs don't use a browser to 
> render it, they have their own engine.  And don't get started on the cr*p HTML that we get 
> from people who use MS Word as their Outlook editor - It's no surprise that a lot of it doesn't 
> render properly.  
> 
> 
> On 12 Aug 2009 at 16:00, jwcolby wrote:
> 
>>  >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern browsers. Your development 
>> experience back then does not have to be repeated today.
>>
>> And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.
>>
>> I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email me "we sent you" and "we 
>> received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.
>>
>> Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the "outlines" of where there 
>> should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render correctly, some don't.  It 
>> APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they insert into the page to be 
>> rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL render correctly.
>>
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 12 17:15:45 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:15:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A833988.6125.332E2DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>,
	<4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A833988.6125.332E2DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A833F11.6060505@colbyconsulting.com>

Well... If I just hand that to you on a plate how does that invalidate the issue that it is html 
that is the root problem.  It doesn't matter to me whether it is a browser or a custom built 
rendering engine, it is still trying to interpret HTML.  How it is rendered will STILL BE DIFFERENT 
depending on who receives the email and what is used to render the HTML.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> Mine doesn't.   I refuse to use a mailer that users any browser to render HTML - that's how 
> your system gets pwned.
> 
> My mailer (Pegasus Mail) uses a completely separate HTML engine which does not execute 
> ANY scripts and does not downloaded linked graphics by default.
> 
> And you'll find that Outlook does not use your "default browser".  Even if you are configured 
> to use Firefox as your browser, your HTML mail will be rendered by either  IE or MS Word  
> depending on which version you use - prior to Office 2007 it was IE, for 2007 and apparently 
> for 2010, it is rendered by MS Word.
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 17:20:39 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:20:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A833E14.3050707@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<003001ca1b82$95e1ebb0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>,
	<4A831F78.8020202@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A833765.21493.32A8880@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A833E14.3050707@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a834070.1c07d00a.408a.08c2@mx.google.com>

...and, I am not going to argue with that.  Access, first, last,
everything...

Max
Ps. Could be biased of course - not impossible for me.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 12 August 2009 23:12
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: Zoho Access Migration Plugin

ROTFL, HTML and (insert your favorite thing here) are not a happy marriage.
I run into entire sites 
that refuse to display anything and tell me to open it in IE.  How RUDE!

And why, because this whole thing HTML thing is so sucky that they decide
"screw it, we will only 
make it work in IE".  Which MS LOVES of course.  How RUDE.

I don't use IE for a reason.  Unless it is something that I absolutely HAVE
to go to I just move on 
and don't visit their page at all.

All of which merely confirms my statement that unless there is a valid
reason, using a browser 
interface for an application is a huge mistake.  You immediately open
yourself up to all of this 
crap that we have been discussing.  If your application is a "windows only"
application that will be 
for internal consumption then "browser based" is a mistake that WILL bite
you in the ass someday.

Windows has a perfectly good "rendering engine", that is waaaaaayyyyy more
flexible, capable and 
bulletproof than trying to throw a browser in the middle.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> HTML and email are not a happy a marriage.  Many email programs don't use
a browser to 
> render it, they have their own engine.  And don't get started on the cr*p
HTML that we get 
> from people who use MS Word as their Outlook editor - It's no surprise
that a lot of it doesn't 
> render properly.  
> 
> 
> On 12 Aug 2009 at 16:00, jwcolby wrote:
> 
>>  >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
browsers. Your development 
>> experience back then does not have to be repeated today.
>>
>> And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.
>>
>> I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email
me "we sent you" and "we 
>> received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.
>>
>> Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the
"outlines" of where there 
>> should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render
correctly, some don't.  It 
>> APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they
insert into the page to be 
>> rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL
render correctly.
>>
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 17:20:39 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:20:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A833988.6125.332E2DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>,
	<4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A833988.6125.332E2DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a834072.1c07d00a.408a.08c3@mx.google.com>

There we go, John.

Now who is wrong.....words from the Master.

Bend your nee


Max
Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 12 August 2009 22:52
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

Mine doesn't.   I refuse to use a mailer that users any browser to render
HTML - that's how 
your system gets pwned.

My mailer (Pegasus Mail) uses a completely separate HTML engine which does
not execute 
ANY scripts and does not downloaded linked graphics by default.

And you'll find that Outlook does not use your "default browser".  Even if
you are configured 
to use Firefox as your browser, your HTML mail will be rendered by either
IE or MS Word  
depending on which version you use - prior to Office 2007 it was IE, for
2007 and apparently 
for 2010, it is rendered by MS Word.

-- 
Stuart


On 12 Aug 2009 at 16:45, jwcolby wrote:

>  > Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.
> 
> ROTFL, if course it is something to do with rendering.  Your default
browser renders the email when 
> it includes HTML.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
> > If they don't shown on your email, in general, it will because of an
error
> > in the way the email was constructed by the sender.  Embedding graphics
etc
> > is difficult (for me)
> > 
> > Nothing to do (I would suggest) with rendering.
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: 12 August 2009 21:01
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> > 
> >  >> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
browsers.
> > Your development 
> > experience back then does not have to be repeated today.
> > 
> > And MY point is that "significantly better" can still be pretty screwy.
> > 
> > I use Blockbuster.  They mail me disks and I mail them back.  They email
me
> > "we sent you" and "we 
> > received" kinds of emails as they ship and receive the disks.
> > 
> > Those emails were working just fine, suddenly they are rendering as the
> > "outlines" of where there 
> > should be little pictures.  BUT... NOT ALWAYS.  Some emails render
> > correctly, some don't.  It 
> > APPEARS to be something they are doing on their end, something that they
> > insert into the page to be 
> > rendered because I can go back to emails in the beginning and they ALL
> > render correctly.
> > 
> > The bigger point here is that Access "renders" fine regardless.  As does
VB
> > / C# .Net.  HTML is just 
> > too "out there", and the render engines are too independently defined to
be
> > 100% reliable.  So we 
> > have the question "am I going to put my business on that foundation"?
If I
> > am NOT going to try to 
> > access the database remotely over the web, if I am just doing this
internal,
> > why in the world would 
> > I do that?
> > 
> > Think about this Blockbuster experience.  I am a database developer for
some
> > company, and suddenly I 
> > am stopping what I am doing to try to figure out why the render engine
(at
> > the far end no less) is 
> > dropping all of the pictures.  THAT IS NOT DATABASE STUFF, not
application
> > stuff!!!  That is not my 
> > application, that is not what they hired me to do.  Now I understand
that
> > Blockbuster has a pressing 
> > need, but the point is that if I am a developer for an INTERNAL
application,
> > I would be thinking 
> > VERY carefully about this kind of experience before I recommended going
to a
> > browser based application.
> > 
> > Whether you do Access or a .Net is a whole 'nother question, but to try
and
> > make an application 
> > "browser based" just seems to be a non-starter UNLESS there is a
pressing
> > need to do so that is not 
> > being addressed by a "Windows Native" application.  "Just because it's
cool"
> > is not (IMHO) a 
> > pressing need.
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > 
> > 
> > Mark Simms wrote:
> >> Funny....
> >> I've been waiting for 6 months for Firefox to be fixed to render a web
> > page
> >> that IE6 rendered easily.
> >> Sent them 3 tech support requests. It was never fixed.
> >> It was some sort of "grid" heavily CSS-based.
> >> The website must have been getting complaints as a result of complaints
> > from
> >> Firefox users....
> >> so they changed it to show the data as PDF file links !
> >> That's great progress....and very typical of "today's" tech
environment:
> >> Doing the right thing, versus DOING THINGS RIGHT.
> >>> All modern browsers pass the Acid2 test:
> >>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid2/
> >>>
> >>> And most make significant inroads on Acid3:
> >>> http://www.webstandards.org/action/acid3/
> >>>
> >>> The point is, things are significantly better now with modern
> >>> browsers. Your development experience back then does not have
> >>> to be repeated today.
> >> You are partially correct..it was back in the oh-so-awful days of
Netscape
> > !
> >>
> >>
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com


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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 12 17:33:47 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:33:47 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4a832bd4.1818d00a.119e.4d11@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>	<003001ca1b82$95e1ebb0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>	<4A831F78.8020202@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>	<4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4a832bd4.1818d00a.119e.4d11@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A83434B.2050304@colbyconsulting.com>

I think we are saying the same thing Max.

The email is (or at least CONTAINS) HTML.  SOME rendering engine renders whatever it encounters.  In 
this case the email presented has "correct" HTML one time, not another time.  "Correct" is of course 
all relative since "correct" means one thing to IE6, vs IE7, IE8, Firefox or WHATEVER renderer is 
used in your case etc.

In this case my email client is Thunderbird.

So the email itself contains SOMETHING that my "renderer" cannot handle.  But not EVERY email.  Just 
the other day TWO out of THREE rendered incorrectly (did not show the graphics), the third displayed 
the pictures.

And what is "incorrect"?  Is it correct if it renders in Outlook but not in Thunderbird?  Or VV?  It 
is only "correct" if it renders with EVERY SINGLE RENDERING ENGINE thrown against it.  Not something 
I want to go create, not to mention probably impossible for anything non-trivial.

http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/post/2393/microsoft-takes-email-design-b/

According to this next link Thunderbird uses Gecko.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/E-mail/E-mail-Clients/Mozilla-Thunderbird.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_%28layout_engine%29

Oh the tangled web we have to sort through.

I want to develop applications.  So far all of my applications have run on Windows, inside of small 
companies.  "Web based" does not seem to be useful to MY situation.  If it is useful to yours, you 
have my condolances.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Nope!  It renders what is presented, nothing more, nothing less. If not
> presented correctly, it renders incorrectly.
> 
> Nothing if not argumentative.
> 
> Max



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 12 17:36:16 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:36:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4a834072.1c07d00a.408a.08c3@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>,
	<4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A833988.6125.332E2DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4a834072.1c07d00a.408a.08c3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A8343E0.6010408@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp

ROTFL.  Starting a little skirmish are you?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> There we go, John.
> 
> Now who is wrong.....words from the Master.
> 
> Bend your nee
> 
> 
> Max
> Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 12 August 2009 22:52
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> 
> Mine doesn't.   I refuse to use a mailer that users any browser to render
> HTML - that's how 
> your system gets pwned.
> 
> My mailer (Pegasus Mail) uses a completely separate HTML engine which does
> not execute 
> ANY scripts and does not downloaded linked graphics by default.
> 
> And you'll find that Outlook does not use your "default browser".  Even if
> you are configured 
> to use Firefox as your browser, your HTML mail will be rendered by either
> IE or MS Word  
> depending on which version you use - prior to Office 2007 it was IE, for
> 2007 and apparently 
> for 2010, it is rendered by MS Word.
> 


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 12 17:53:10 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:53:10 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A8343E0.6010408@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a834072.1c07d00a.408a.08c3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A8343E0.6010408@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A8347D6.21548.36AC256@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I won't bite.

Don't argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with 
experience.

:-)


On 12 Aug 2009 at 18:36, jwcolby wrote:

>  > Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp
> 
> ROTFL.  Starting a little skirmish are you?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
> > There we go, John.
> > 
> > Now who is wrong.....words from the Master.
> > 
> > Bend your nee
> > 
> > 
> > Max
> > Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> > Sent: 12 August 2009 22:52
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> > 
> > Mine doesn't.   I refuse to use a mailer that users any browser to render
> > HTML - that's how 
> > your system gets pwned.
> > 
> > My mailer (Pegasus Mail) uses a completely separate HTML engine which does
> > not execute 
> > ANY scripts and does not downloaded linked graphics by default.
> > 
> > And you'll find that Outlook does not use your "default browser".  Even if
> > you are configured 
> > to use Firefox as your browser, your HTML mail will be rendered by either
> > IE or MS Word  
> > depending on which version you use - prior to Office 2007 it was IE, for
> > 2007 and apparently 
> > for 2010, it is rendered by MS Word.
> > 
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From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Wed Aug 12 17:59:01 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:59:01 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Still on Vista SP1 - Embedded Charts
In-Reply-To: <4A8347D6.21548.36AC256@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA3392E6@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>


Hi folks

Another Query from my friend... (and I quote)

I have another one.

My graphs (Microsoft Graph 97 Chart) embedded in forms in MS Access 2003 won't work under vista sp1.

Can you please ask if anyone knows a fix....

'---------

Many thanks

Cheers
Darryl

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From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Wed Aug 12 21:17:21 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:17:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: DevConnections interesting notes
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC14@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA3392EC@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

In C# you don't need them and you can wrap the code already without using a special char. I guess that is what they  mean by making VB more like C# and visa versa.

hth a bit
cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 3:03 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: DevConnections interesting notes


VB's elegance is in the skill of the programmer not the name of the
tool.  I like the idea of giving them the same features and letting the
programmer decide which is more comfortable to use, and maybe it will
stop the idea that somehow you're only a "real" programmer if you use
C#.

As for continuation characters, that one baffles me a bit unless they're
introducing some kind of block mechanism so you can break an overly long
line without the continuation character.  That's all I use them for
anyhow.

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] DevConnections interesting notes

Wow, this is starting to look like the same decision-making process that
went into "the ribbon" !

> ... C# will get ... features of Visual Basic and vice sersa
WHY ?

> ... optional and named parameters in C#
WHAT TOOK SO LONG ?

> ... and the end of continuation characters in Visual Basic
WHY ?

> ... you need more skills in C# or Visual Basic (emphasis mine)
The first part I agree with, However....
VB.NET should be renamed VOBOL or VBOL or something similar to the
so-verbose and unwieldy and not-so-elegant COBOL language. It's not
really VB anymore.



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From marksimms at verizon.net  Wed Aug 12 22:11:48 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:11:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW:  Re:  Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A833E14.3050707@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<003001ca1b82$95e1ebb0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>,
	<4A831F78.8020202@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A833765.21493.32A8880@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A833E14.3050707@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000e01ca1bc3$cbdbe900$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

Well said John.

> All of which merely confirms my statement that unless there
> is a valid reason, using a browser interface for an
> application is a huge mistake.  You immediately open yourself
> up to all of this crap that we have been discussing.  If your
> application is a "windows only" application that will be for
> internal consumption then "browser based" is a mistake that
> WILL bite you in the ass someday.





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug 13 00:05:36 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:05:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00908121035of3d51b4m1181f0d0d90edb0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <380-2200983121622217@M2W009.mail2web.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC13@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<8786a4c00908121035of3d51b4m1181f0d0d90edb0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93F8B51711FD41538F9402DE622DFE81@HAL9005>

Yeah, a rewrite is looking better all the time.  It doesn't work on my lap
top (Vista Home Basic) but it does on one of my desktops (Vista Ultimate).

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Or better yet, what is it that you are using Send Keys to do?

Maybe you can do it a different way now in later versions.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug 13 00:05:56 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:05:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC13@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <380-2200983121622217@M2W009.mail2web.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC13@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <27B5D93403F84212AC627C2C7D7F093D@HAL9005>

It doesn't work on my lap top (Vista Home Basic SP1) but it does on one of
my desktops (Vista Ultimate).

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Then it should work.  Try it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

It's an A2K3 app.  The refrences all look like 11.0.  What should I look
for?

Rocky


Original Message:
-----------------
From: Charlotte Foust cfoust at infostatsystems.com
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:24:48 -0700
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista


Test it Rocky.  As far as I know it works in Vista if you aren't still using
the A97 libraries, because they were based on VB5.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Rocky

See

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=412021

Martin


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Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com
[rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 12 August 2009 15:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Dear List:

Apparently Sendkeys does not work in Vista.  I know, I know, I shouldn't be
using SendKeys.  But this app was developed in A97 when it wasn't such a
disreputable technique.  But now, on a Vista box, SendKeys generates the
unhelpful error "Permission denied".

Is there a simple workaround for this?  Simpler than redesigning around the
use of sendkeys which admittedly only occurs in about a dozen places in my
app.

MTIA

Rocky



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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug 13 00:07:12 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:07:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Judge issues injunction against sales of
	MicrosoftWord
In-Reply-To: <4a832491.0a04d00a.61fc.3546@mx.google.com>
References: <4a832491.0a04d00a.61fc.3546@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <DEF2C158664D48C5866D57B99B4FBEAE@HAL9005>

I'm sure that injunction will be upheld for at least 30 minutes.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 1:22 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Judge issues injunction against sales of
MicrosoftWord

That's going to cause some problems for you guys who interface to it??

 

Max

 

 

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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 01:46:47 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 01:46:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <7c7841600908122346r2f38b237k49a0d988a8c1e978@mail.gmail.com>

Mark Simms:
> I've been waiting for 6 months for Firefox to be fixed to render a
> web page that IE6 rendered easily.

Almost certainly a site tailored to run in IE6 using buggy and out-of-date
HTML & CSS. Try the site in Safari, Chrome and Opera - I'm pretty sure they
will render it more-or-less like Firefox.

IE6's status as the most buggy and non-standards-compliant browser in common
use today is a matter of public record. No one can credibly dispute that.

Books have been written about how to use IE6's CSS parsing bugs against its
rendering bugs, to (painfully) get it to render somewhat better. The
inventors of these CSS hacks are well-known in the standards-based web
design community.

-Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 02:17:25 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:17:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A8347D6.21548.36AC256@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a834072.1c07d00a.408a.08c3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A8343E0.6010408@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A8347D6.21548.36AC256@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a83be1d.0a1ad00a.7a01.fffffe1b@mx.google.com>

I agree.  So, you are on your own John. Neither Stuart or I will argue with
you.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 12 August 2009 23:53
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

I won't bite.

Don't argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat
you with 
experience.

:-)


On 12 Aug 2009 at 18:36, jwcolby wrote:

>  > Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp
> 
> ROTFL.  Starting a little skirmish are you?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
> > There we go, John.
> > 
> > Now who is wrong.....words from the Master.
> > 
> > Bend your nee
> > 
> > 
> > Max
> > Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> > Sent: 12 August 2009 22:52
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> > 
> > Mine doesn't.   I refuse to use a mailer that users any browser to
render
> > HTML - that's how 
> > your system gets pwned.
> > 
> > My mailer (Pegasus Mail) uses a completely separate HTML engine which
does
> > not execute 
> > ANY scripts and does not downloaded linked graphics by default.
> > 
> > And you'll find that Outlook does not use your "default browser".  Even
if
> > you are configured 
> > to use Firefox as your browser, your HTML mail will be rendered by
either
> > IE or MS Word  
> > depending on which version you use - prior to Office 2007 it was IE, for
> > 2007 and apparently 
> > for 2010, it is rendered by MS Word.
> > 
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 07:10:09 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:10:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
Message-ID: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>

<http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1772>

Will your organization upgrade to MS Office 2010?

Susan H. 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 13 08:07:44 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:07:44 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4a83be1d.0a1ad00a.7a01.fffffe1b@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a834072.1c07d00a.408a.08c3@mx.google.com>,
	<4A8343E0.6010408@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A8347D6.21548.36AC256@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4a83be1d.0a1ad00a.7a01.fffffe1b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A841020.5030609@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFL.  C'mon guys, there is no one down on here in the basement with me.  I'm lonely.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> I agree.  So, you are on your own John. Neither Stuart or I will argue with
> you.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: 12 August 2009 23:53
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> 
> I won't bite.
> 
> Don't argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat
> you with 
> experience.
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> On 12 Aug 2009 at 18:36, jwcolby wrote:
> 
>>  > Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp
>>
>> ROTFL.  Starting a little skirmish are you?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>>> There we go, John.
>>>
>>> Now who is wrong.....words from the Master.
>>>
>>> Bend your nee
>>>
>>>
>>> Max
>>> Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> McLachlan
>>> Sent: 12 August 2009 22:52
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
>>>
>>> Mine doesn't.   I refuse to use a mailer that users any browser to
> render
>>> HTML - that's how 
>>> your system gets pwned.
>>>
>>> My mailer (Pegasus Mail) uses a completely separate HTML engine which
> does
>>> not execute 
>>> ANY scripts and does not downloaded linked graphics by default.
>>>
>>> And you'll find that Outlook does not use your "default browser".  Even
> if
>>> you are configured 
>>> to use Firefox as your browser, your HTML mail will be rendered by
> either
>>> IE or MS Word  
>>> depending on which version you use - prior to Office 2007 it was IE, for
>>> 2007 and apparently 
>>> for 2010, it is rendered by MS Word.
>>>
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> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 13 08:09:43 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:09:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
References: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4A841097.2040803@colbyconsulting.com>

I have a client where the entire company is on Office 2000 and has no plans to upgrade.   It does 
everything they need, and they can't identify anything that the AVERAGE user would get out of an 
upgrade to justify the price of the licenses.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Susan Harkins wrote:
> <http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1772>
> 
> Will your organization upgrade to MS Office 2010?
> 
> Susan H. 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 13 08:26:40 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:26:40 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <sa8430d6.099@cactus.dk>

Hi John et al

I can recommend spending a moment with Click-Once from Visual Studio. This excellent method allows you to deploy a .Net Windows app to a shared drive or a website and install from there at users' machines. Later, whenever a user opens the app, it checks at its origination if a new version is available and, if it is, offers to install the new version with zero additional clicks. This works so very well.

I know this won't help deploying to neither Macs nor Linux boxes. For those cases we use a terminal server.

/gustav





From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 09:18:41 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:18:41 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
References: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
	<4A841097.2040803@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <0CF6496CF65842AE8C9FD39EAEF2F989@SusanOne>

Looking at the poll, I think a lot of folks feel the same way.

Susan H.


>I have a client where the entire company is on Office 2000 and has no plans 
>to upgrade.   It does
> everything they need, and they can't identify anything that the AVERAGE 
> user would get out of an
> upgrade to justify the price of the licenses.
>



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug 13 10:01:10 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:01:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC0D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <380-220098312144131278@M2W029.mail2web.com><631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C936C@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC0D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <FB1A0C8083C34A778343D975F4B19578@HAL9005>

Works on Vista Ultimate (desktop) - So I installed SP2 on the laptop which
is Vista Home and it fails.  Something about Vista Home that breaks it. :(

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:25 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Test it Rocky.  As far as I know it works in Vista if you aren't still using
the A97 libraries, because they were based on VB5.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:54 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Rocky

See

http://www.vbforums.com/showthread.php?t=412021

Martin


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Information Services
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Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of rockysmolin at bchacc.com
[rockysmolin at bchacc.com]
Sent: 12 August 2009 15:41
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Dear List:

Apparently Sendkeys does not work in Vista.  I know, I know, I shouldn't be
using SendKeys.  But this app was developed in A97 when it wasn't such a
disreputable technique.  But now, on a Vista box, SendKeys generates the
unhelpful error "Permission denied".

Is there a simple workaround for this?  Simpler than redesigning around the
use of sendkeys which admittedly only occurs in about a dozen places in my
app.

MTIA

Rocky



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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 13 10:11:09 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:11:09 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista
In-Reply-To: <93F8B51711FD41538F9402DE622DFE81@HAL9005>
References: <380-2200983121622217@M2W009.mail2web.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC13@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><8786a4c00908121035of3d51b4m1181f0d0d90edb0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<93F8B51711FD41538F9402DE622DFE81@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC2F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Rocky,

Nothing much works properly on Vista Home, any version.  I have Home
Premium and the the user security drives me crazy but you have only two
settings in Home, on or off, not customization.  Some programs have to
be run as administrator and some have to be run sandboxed in order to
run at all.  I would have updated the stupid system to one of the higher
versions but I haven't been able to figure out how to do it online,
since it says it isn't eligible! 

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:06 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Yeah, a rewrite is looking better all the time.  It doesn't work on my
lap top (Vista Home Basic) but it does on one of my desktops (Vista
Ultimate).

Rocky

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:36 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Snedkeys Breaks in Vista

Or better yet, what is it that you are using Send Keys to do?

Maybe you can do it a different way now in later versions.

D
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 12:51:33 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:51:33 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>

John Colby
> "Web based" does not seem to be useful to MY situation.
> If it is useful to yours, you have my condolances.

To be clear, I think the Access application market has enough inertia to
keep Access specialists busy for quite some time.

But I do not think Access applications are a growth market. My feeling is
Microsoft has it on the long march to obscurity.

Web apps are 'where its at' in terms of growth potential.

-Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 12:53:12 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:53:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
References: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4a845322.0702d00a.3b0c.2009@mx.google.com>

Nope.  2003 suits us just fine.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 13 August 2009 13:10
To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010

<http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1772>

Will your organization upgrade to MS Office 2010?

Susan H. 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 13:03:33 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:03:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A83434B.2050304@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>	<003001ca1b82$95e1ebb0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>	<4A831F78.8020202@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>	<4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a832bd4.1818d00a.119e.4d11@mx.google.com>
	<4A83434B.2050304@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a845592.0a04d00a.4240.ffffdfc1@mx.google.com>

If the browser correctly renders html code which confirms to the W3C
standards then anything which is not rendered  correctly is because the
Presentation to the Browser is the problem, not the browser.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 12 August 2009 23:34
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

I think we are saying the same thing Max.

The email is (or at least CONTAINS) HTML.  SOME rendering engine renders
whatever it encounters.  In 
this case the email presented has "correct" HTML one time, not another time.
"Correct" is of course 
all relative since "correct" means one thing to IE6, vs IE7, IE8, Firefox or
WHATEVER renderer is 
used in your case etc.

In this case my email client is Thunderbird.

So the email itself contains SOMETHING that my "renderer" cannot handle.
But not EVERY email.  Just 
the other day TWO out of THREE rendered incorrectly (did not show the
graphics), the third displayed 
the pictures.

And what is "incorrect"?  Is it correct if it renders in Outlook but not in
Thunderbird?  Or VV?  It 
is only "correct" if it renders with EVERY SINGLE RENDERING ENGINE thrown
against it.  Not something 
I want to go create, not to mention probably impossible for anything
non-trivial.

http://www.campaignmonitor.com/blog/post/2393/microsoft-takes-email-design-b
/

According to this next link Thunderbird uses Gecko.

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/E-mail/E-mail-Clients/Mozilla-Thunderb
ird.shtml

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gecko_%28layout_engine%29

Oh the tangled web we have to sort through.

I want to develop applications.  So far all of my applications have run on
Windows, inside of small 
companies.  "Web based" does not seem to be useful to MY situation.  If it
is useful to yours, you 
have my condolances.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Nope!  It renders what is presented, nothing more, nothing less. If not
> presented correctly, it renders incorrectly.
> 
> Nothing if not argumentative.
> 
> Max

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 13:03:33 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:03:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A8343E0.6010408@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908121101j3c1c11edq504318922b2ac820@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a832225.0508d00a.69ed.ffffbc17@mx.google.com>,
	<4A8329D2.3090003@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A833988.6125.332E2DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a834072.1c07d00a.408a.08c3@mx.google.com>
	<4A8343E0.6010408@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a845593.0a04d00a.4240.ffffdfc5@mx.google.com>

KRP stands for KnoppMyth Reference Platform. 

A KRP-certified system configuration meets certain criteria for
environmental performance, speed, stability, 

Apologies when ready on the back of $100 note.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 12 August 2009 23:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

 > Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp

ROTFL.  Starting a little skirmish are you?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> There we go, John.
> 
> Now who is wrong.....words from the Master.
> 
> Bend your nee
> 
> 
> Max
> Ps. That aside, Pegaus is krp
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
> Sent: 12 August 2009 22:52
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
> 
> Mine doesn't.   I refuse to use a mailer that users any browser to render
> HTML - that's how 
> your system gets pwned.
> 
> My mailer (Pegasus Mail) uses a completely separate HTML engine which does
> not execute 
> ANY scripts and does not downloaded linked graphics by default.
> 
> And you'll find that Outlook does not use your "default browser".  Even if
> you are configured 
> to use Firefox as your browser, your HTML mail will be rendered by either
> IE or MS Word  
> depending on which version you use - prior to Office 2007 it was IE, for
> 2007 and apparently 
> for 2010, it is rendered by MS Word.
> 
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Thu Aug 13 13:34:27 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:34:27 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <0CF6496CF65842AE8C9FD39EAEF2F989@SusanOne>
References: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>	<4A841097.2040803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0CF6496CF65842AE8C9FD39EAEF2F989@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <00c101ca1c44$b1844530$148ccf90$@spb.ru>

I have visited large fitness club net's office here in St.Petersburg, Russia
- they use Open Office to prepare the docs: the main issue is the high price
for MS office frequent updates. I didn't check as I'm just a customer of
this fitness club - it may happen they do not use MS Windows at all - as far
as I have seen they have rather simple data entry/edit forms, and simple
printing docs - but that's good enough for them they say
(http://www.fitnesshouse.ru/eng/contact.html )

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010

Looking at the poll, I think a lot of folks feel the same way.

Susan H.


>I have a client where the entire company is on Office 2000 and has no plans

>to upgrade.   It does
> everything they need, and they can't identify anything that the AVERAGE 
> user would get out of an
> upgrade to justify the price of the licenses.
>

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 14:25:03 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:25:03 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Microsoft backs long life for IE6
Message-ID: <4a8468bb.0a04d00a.4270.06f7@mx.google.com>

Good news for you then, John

 

Max

 

 

Feed: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Posted on: 13 August 2009 20:01
Author: BBC News | News Front Page | UK Edition
Subject: Microsoft backs long life for IE6

 


The venerable IE6 browser will be supported until 2014, despite a campaign to kill it, says Microsoft.


View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/technology/8196242.stm>  article...



From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Thu Aug 13 14:47:48 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:47:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <00c101ca1c44$b1844530$148ccf90$@spb.ru>
References: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
	<4A841097.2040803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0CF6496CF65842AE8C9FD39EAEF2F989@SusanOne>,
	<00c101ca1c44$b1844530$148ccf90$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9370@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

If  your a  SharePoint and Office user then I think most will upgrade as the functionality for SharePoint is good.

Other that that I would guess people who "simply" use Word etc will stay as they are. I see no great compelling reason to move unless you are using SharePoint and are planning to upgrade to MOSS 2010. For us its easy because our costs are so low to upgrade we will be doing it. We will  be going to SharePoint 2010 at least and I will stay with Office 2010 as I am used to it now for the day to day things.

Then you have the web clients but again they need additional software in-house to be usable as the moment. But this could be a huge selling point of Office 2010.


Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov [shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru]
Sent: 13 August 2009 19:34
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010

I have visited large fitness club net's office here in St.Petersburg, Russia
- they use Open Office to prepare the docs: the main issue is the high price
for MS office frequent updates. I didn't check as I'm just a customer of
this fitness club - it may happen they do not use MS Windows at all - as far
as I have seen they have rather simple data entry/edit forms, and simple
printing docs - but that's good enough for them they say
(http://www.fitnesshouse.ru/eng/contact.html )

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010

Looking at the poll, I think a lot of folks feel the same way.

Susan H.


>I have a client where the entire company is on Office 2000 and has no plans

>to upgrade.   It does
> everything they need, and they can't identify anything that the AVERAGE
> user would get out of an
> upgrade to justify the price of the licenses.
>

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From paulrster at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 15:35:24 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:35:24 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <00c101ca1c44$b1844530$148ccf90$@spb.ru>
References: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
	<4A841097.2040803@colbyconsulting.com>
	<0CF6496CF65842AE8C9FD39EAEF2F989@SusanOne>
	<00c101ca1c44$b1844530$148ccf90$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908131335y1c71c0e9p1351cd620c821526@mail.gmail.com>

Very interesting, Shamil.

2009/8/13 Shamil Salakhetdinov <shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru>

> I have visited large fitness club net's office here in St.Petersburg,
> Russia
> - they use Open Office to prepare the docs: the main issue is the high
> price
> for MS office frequent updates. I didn't check as I'm just a customer of
> this fitness club - it may happen they do not use MS Windows at all - as
> far
> as I have seen they have rather simple data entry/edit forms, and simple
> printing docs - but that's good enough for them they say
> (http://www.fitnesshouse.ru/eng/contact.html )
>
> --
> Shamil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
>
> Looking at the poll, I think a lot of folks feel the same way.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> >I have a client where the entire company is on Office 2000 and has no
> plans
>
> >to upgrade.   It does
> > everything they need, and they can't identify anything that the AVERAGE
> > user would get out of an
> > upgrade to justify the price of the licenses.
> >
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 15:35:28 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:35:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with a password-protected database
Message-ID: <4a84793b.1c05d00a.3189.449a@mx.google.com>

Helen Feddema's Access Watch latest edition has some interesting stuff on
the Ribbon.

 

Max

 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 13 15:48:02 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:48:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with a password-protected
	database
In-Reply-To: <4a84793b.1c05d00a.3189.449a@mx.google.com>
References: <4a84793b.1c05d00a.3189.449a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A847C02.9090603@colbyconsulting.com>

hot link...???

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Helen Feddema's Access Watch latest edition has some interesting stuff on
> the Ribbon.
> 
>  
> 
> Max
> 
>  
> 


From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Aug 13 15:49:45 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:49:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with a password-protected
	database
References: <4a84793b.1c05d00a.3189.449a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4958E3933E274AB5890D11F6834DD7D7@Mattys>

Hi Max,

Please provide a link.

Thanks,
-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:35 PM
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with a password-protected 
database


> Helen Feddema's Access Watch latest edition has some interesting stuff on
> the Ribbon.
>
>
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 16:03:33 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:03:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with a
	password-protected	database
In-Reply-To: <4A847C02.9090603@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a84793b.1c05d00a.3189.449a@mx.google.com>
	<4A847C02.9090603@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a847fd0.0707d00a.7b71.3a6e@mx.google.com>

>From their email:


To join Access Watch visit office-watch.com and use the free sign-up form.

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 13 August 2009 21:48
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with a password-protected
database

hot link...???

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Helen Feddema's Access Watch latest edition has some interesting stuff on
> the Ribbon.
> 
>  
> 
> Max
> 
>  
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 16:08:33 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:08:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with a
	password-protected	database
In-Reply-To: <4958E3933E274AB5890D11F6834DD7D7@Mattys>
References: <4a84793b.1c05d00a.3189.449a@mx.google.com>
	<4958E3933E274AB5890D11F6834DD7D7@Mattys>
Message-ID: <4a848100.0506d00a.61a5.ffffef94@mx.google.com>

I should have mentioned it is an email they send out.  You subscribe to what
part of ms office you are interested in.   I choose Access but the others
are good too.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: 13 August 2009 21:50
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with a password-protected
database

Hi Max,

Please provide a link.

Thanks,
-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:35 PM
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with a password-protected 
database


> Helen Feddema's Access Watch latest edition has some interesting stuff on
> the Ribbon.
>
>
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -- 
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Aug 13 16:21:46 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:21:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with
	apassword-protected	database
References: <4a84793b.1c05d00a.3189.449a@mx.google.com><4958E3933E274AB5890D11F6834DD7D7@Mattys>
	<4a848100.0506d00a.61a5.ffffef94@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4F620F2D3DFD47A9AFA5061B12993F01@Mattys>

Thanks Max.

I think I'd subscribed to that before Access 2000,
and had this well-oiled and fed it nox until 2007.

This Ribbon XML is not a simpler system optimized for
efficiency and discoverability for the developer in any way.

M-MMPH!! <Oliver Hardy staring out at the audience>

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with apassword-protected 
database


>I should have mentioned it is an email they send out.  You subscribe to 
>what
> part of ms office you are interested in.   I choose Access but the others
> are good too.
>
> Max



From Gustav at cactus.dk  Thu Aug 13 16:24:32 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:24:32 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with the ribbon
Message-ID: <sa84a0cb.005@cactus.dk>

The link:

http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?articleid=968&zoneid=12

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 13-08-2009 22:35 >>>
Helen Feddema's Access Watch latest edition has some interesting stuff on the Ribbon.

Max





From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Thu Aug 13 16:34:55 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:34:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with the ribbon
References: <sa84a0cb.005@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <B39A9C9F8AFA47C7A645662738800F18@Mattys>

Thanks, Gustav & Max
Office 2010 looks like someone really worked in it.
(Not that I have yet)

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with the ribbon


> The link:
>
> http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?articleid=968&zoneid=12
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 13-08-2009 22:35 >>>
> Helen Feddema's Access Watch latest edition has some interesting stuff on 
> the Ribbon.
>
> Max
>
>
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 16:57:28 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:57:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with the ribbon
In-Reply-To: <B39A9C9F8AFA47C7A645662738800F18@Mattys>
References: <sa84a0cb.005@cactus.dk> <B39A9C9F8AFA47C7A645662738800F18@Mattys>
Message-ID: <4a848c62.0702d00a.3b0c.ffffa999@mx.google.com>

Yes, it does look promising in the 2010 version.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: 13 August 2009 22:35
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with the ribbon

Thanks, Gustav & Max
Office 2010 looks like someone really worked in it.
(Not that I have yet)

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] FW: AW #11.06 - Working with the ribbon


> The link:
>
> http://news.office-watch.com/t/n.aspx?articleid=968&zoneid=12
>
> /gustav
>
>>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 13-08-2009 22:35 >>>
> Helen Feddema's Access Watch latest edition has some interesting stuff on 
> the Ribbon.
>
> Max
>
>
>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Wed Aug 12 04:53:39 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:53:39 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
Message-ID: <sa84a905.006@cactus.dk>

Hi all

Do such ten commandments exists?

Some personal observations:

1. When I go swimming and pick a cloak box, my favourites are no. 128 and 256 (no explanation should be needed).

2. When driving, I try to find patterns and rules for the numbers on the license plates of the cars that pass.

You see, that's only two, so I'm not a geek(?) - I guess five are more should describe your behaving to make you a geek.
If eight more exists, we can feed stuff to Susan for a new article.

I don't think collection of something qualifies. People collect the strangest things, and collecting CPU models doesn't make you more a geek than one collecting ballpens or Miles Davis records. Not that I collect CPU models but some do.

/gustav





From kathryn at bassett.net  Thu Aug 13 17:05:13 2009
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:05:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
In-Reply-To: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
References: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <005b01ca1c62$223dab00$66b90100$@net>

Do you want individuals to answer as well? Gwen is now at 2007 on all three
of her machines (and what she has I have). I seriously doubt we'll go to
2010. Didn't want to skew the results is you actually want organizations
only.

Kathryn

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-
> bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:10 AM
> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
> 
> <http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/msoffice/?p=1772>
> 
> Will your organization upgrade to MS Office 2010?
> 
> Susan H.
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 17:14:32 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:14:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <sa84a905.006@cactus.dk>
References: <sa84a905.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4a849063.0a1ad00a.2ef0.ffffd125@mx.google.com>

Gustav,
Well, I don't understand 128 and 256 - I mean, I understand how the binary
system works, what I don't understand is why you go to a swimming pool in
the first place. Your country is surrounded by water only 1 mile away in any
direction apart from up and down.

With number plates, I try to make sentences out of them eg, my plate letters
are GLB.  I reckon they stand for Good Looking Bloke. LOL

With numbers I try to get 9 out of adding, then adding the result etc. eg,
448 = 16.  16=7.  Not 9, failed.
But 558 - 18 = 9. Winner!!!!


Do this:
   1.  Think of a number between 1 and 10.
   2. Multiply the number by 9.
   3. Add the digits of your result.
   4. Subtract 5 from your new number.
   5. Find the letter that corresponds to your number, if 1 = A, 2 = B, 3 =
C, etc.
   6. Think of a country that begins with your letter.
   7. Write down the name of that country.
   8. Think of an animal beginning with the second letter of your country.
   9. Think of the colour of that animal.
  10. Write down the animal and its colour.
  11. Think of an animal that begins with the last letter of your country.
  12. Think of a fruit that begins with the last letter of this second
animal.
  13. Write down the fruit and the animal.











Scroll down









Sadly, Denmark is an unlikely place to find Grey Elephants and as for Orange
Kangaroos - not in Denmark!


Max


LOL






-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 12 August 2009 10:54
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi all

Do such ten commandments exists?

Some personal observations:

1. When I go swimming and pick a cloak box, my favourites are no. 128 and
256 (no explanation should be needed).

2. When driving, I try to find patterns and rules for the numbers on the
license plates of the cars that pass.

You see, that's only two, so I'm not a geek(?) - I guess five are more
should describe your behaving to make you a geek.
If eight more exists, we can feed stuff to Susan for a new article.

I don't think collection of something qualifies. People collect the
strangest things, and collecting CPU models doesn't make you more a geek
than one collecting ballpens or Miles Davis records. Not that I collect CPU
models but some do.

/gustav



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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 17:38:18 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:38:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] New poll on MS Office 2010
References: <A260EDFE13BE48BAACE99F7D7D7FC63F@SusanOne>
	<005b01ca1c62$223dab00$66b90100$@net>
Message-ID: <945156EC014A485E976DFC5734126DF7@SusanOne>

Anybody can vote. :)

Susan H.


> Do you want individuals to answer as well? Gwen is now at 2007 on all 
> three
> of her machines (and what she has I have). I seriously doubt we'll go to
> 2010. Didn't want to skew the results is you actually want organizations
> only.



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Thu Aug 13 17:57:42 2009
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:57:42 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <sa84a905.006@cactus.dk>
References: <sa84a905.006@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <20090813225656.TDG29607.mta02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order 
and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.

Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2

Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but 
others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it 
out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of 
you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .

David


At 12/08/2009, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Do such ten commandments exists?
>
>Some personal observations:
>
>1. When I go swimming and pick a cloak box, my favourites are no. 
>128 and 256 (no explanation should be needed).
>
>2. When driving, I try to find patterns and rules for the numbers on 
>the license plates of the cars that pass.
>
>You see, that's only two, so I'm not a geek(?) - I guess five are 
>more should describe your behaving to make you a geek.
>If eight more exists, we can feed stuff to Susan for a new article.
>
>I don't think collection of something qualifies. People collect the 
>strangest things, and collecting CPU models doesn't make you more a 
>geek than one collecting ballpens or Miles Davis records. Not that I 
>collect CPU models but some do.
>
>/gustav



From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Aug 13 22:17:53 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:17:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

> But I do not think Access applications are a growth market.
> My feeling is Microsoft has it on the long march to obscurity.
>
> Web apps are 'where its at' in terms of growth potential.
>
> -Ken

Ken, YOU Are CORRECT: this is EXACTLY what is happening in the corporate
world as well.

In my latest contract engagement, where I was working for the USER
department,
And NOT the IT department, Access was actually "banned" within 6 weeks into
my engagement.
This was a surprise directive from the IT department, and it was very
"political".
The users were quite upset with this....and attempted to get it
"overturned".
6 weeks later, I was "let go".

I am sure this is happening "all over" the USA.





From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Aug 14 02:03:36 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:03:36 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <20090813225656.TDG29607.mta02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
References: <sa84a905.006@cactus.dk>
	<20090813225656.TDG29607.mta02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
Message-ID: <27F45622C9764028988CD0CBD0DDAECA@stevePC>

That's cool, David.

But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
I usually understand "geek" to mean.

I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily 
equate with having a mathematical mind.

Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
texting while driving?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>
> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>
> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .
>
 



From newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz  Fri Aug 14 02:18:29 2009
From: newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz (David Emerson)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:18:29 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <27F45622C9764028988CD0CBD0DDAECA@stevePC>
References: <sa84a905.006@cactus.dk>
	<20090813225656.TDG29607.mta02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<27F45622C9764028988CD0CBD0DDAECA@stevePC>
Message-ID: <20090814071627.TGNM29607.mta02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>

Well, it is hands free :-)

At 14/08/2009, you wrote:
>Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than
>texting while driving?
>
>Regards
>Steve
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
>Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
><accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
>
> > How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> > and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
> >
> > Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
> >
> > Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> > others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> > out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> > you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .
> >



From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 14 03:17:50 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:17:50 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <27F45622C9764028988CD0CBD0DDAECA@stevePC>
References: <sa84a905.006@cactus.dk>	<20090813225656.TDG29607.mta02.xtra.co.nz@Dalyn.dalyn.co.nz>
	<27F45622C9764028988CD0CBD0DDAECA@stevePC>
Message-ID: <00cb01ca1cb7$b862b530$29281f90$@spb.ru>

<<<
I normally think of an obsession with technology, 
which does not necessarily equate with having
a mathematical mind.
>>>
Yes.

As an example of such an obsession, given two opportunities:

(1). Dating with a girl-/boy-friend;
(2). Investigating applications of Fibonacci Numbers
(http://mathworld.wolfram.com/FibonacciNumber.html) using computer
programming,

real geek will certainly select the second option, neglecting the first one
allowing them to (often subconsciously) investigate, practice, perceive,
feel, admire, ... the harmony of Fibonacci numbers' applications in real
life :)

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:04 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

That's cool, David.

But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
I usually understand "geek" to mean.

I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily

equate with having a mathematical mind.

Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
texting while driving?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>
> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>
> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .
>
 

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 14 05:33:13 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:33:13 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
Message-ID: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>

Hi Steve

OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation to computing.

As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating (actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first 139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from further thinking!

/gustav


>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
That's cool, David.

But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
I usually understand "geek" to mean.

I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily 
equate with having a mathematical mind.

Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
texting while driving?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>
> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>
> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 14 06:06:22 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:06:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4A85452E.9010709@colbyconsulting.com>

 >and the right date could certainly pull me away from further thinking!

And is the wife involved we hope?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Steve
> 
> OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation to computing.
> 
> As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating (actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first 139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from further thinking!
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
> That's cool, David.
> 
> But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
> I usually understand "geek" to mean.
> 
> I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily 
> equate with having a mathematical mind.
> 
> Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
> texting while driving?
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
> 
>> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
>> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>>
>> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>>
>> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
>> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
>> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
>> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .
> 
> 


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 14 06:15:26 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:15:26 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
Message-ID: <sa856393.022@cactus.dk>

Hi JC

Indeed. She (Rita) just needs to call my name!

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 14-08-2009 13:06 >>>
 >and the right date could certainly pull me away from further thinking!

And is the wife involved we hope?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi Steve
> 
> OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation to computing.
> 
> As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating (actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first 139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from further thinking!
> 
> /gustav
> 
> 
>>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
> That's cool, David.
> 
> But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
> I usually understand "geek" to mean.
> 
> I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily 
> equate with having a mathematical mind.
> 
> Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
> texting while driving?
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
> 
>> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
>> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>>
>> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>>
>> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
>> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
>> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
>> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 14 06:39:53 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:39:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <sa856393.022@cactus.dk>
References: <sa856393.022@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4A854D09.2090300@colbyconsulting.com>

Good answer!

8)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Gustav Brock wrote:
> Hi JC
> 
> Indeed. She (Rita) just needs to call my name!
> 
> /gustav
> 
>>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 14-08-2009 13:06 >>>
>  >and the right date could certainly pull me away from further thinking!
> 
> And is the wife involved we hope?
> 
> ;)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com 
> 
> 
> Gustav Brock wrote:
>> Hi Steve
>>
>> OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation to computing.
>>
>> As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating (actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first 139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from further thinking!
>>
>> /gustav
>>
>>
>>>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
>> That's cool, David.
>>
>> But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
>> I usually understand "geek" to mean.
>>
>> I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily 
>> equate with having a mathematical mind.
>>
>> Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
>> texting while driving?
>>
>> Regards
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
>> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
>> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
>> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
>>
>>> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
>>> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>>>
>>> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>>>
>>> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
>>> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
>>> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
>>> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .
> 
> 


From JHewson at nciinc.com  Fri Aug 14 07:52:56 2009
From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim )
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:52:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
References: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
Message-ID: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com>

Not so.
We have bid on contracts this year that specifically states: Access must
be used.
The rationale:  Access is an "approved" application.  If a web-based
solution is sought it must conform to "NEW" application criteria.  It
could take up to 18 months for approval.  The customer doesn't want nor
need the browser solution.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

> But I do not think Access applications are a growth market.
> My feeling is Microsoft has it on the long march to obscurity.
>
> Web apps are 'where its at' in terms of growth potential.
>
> -Ken

Ken, YOU Are CORRECT: this is EXACTLY what is happening in the corporate
world as well.

In my latest contract engagement, where I was working for the USER
department,
And NOT the IT department, Access was actually "banned" within 6 weeks
into
my engagement.
This was a surprise directive from the IT department, and it was very
"political".
The users were quite upset with this....and attempted to get it
"overturned".
6 weeks later, I was "let go".

I am sure this is happening "all over" the USA.



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 14 08:28:37 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:28:37 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>

Hi Gustav,

I also find Fibonacci Numbers fascinating. When I mentioned them here today
I didn't mean anyhow your posted here coding sample/you but more many
"samples" of Fibonacci Numbers one can find in Nature:

The Fibonacci Sequence in Nature
http://scienceray.com/mathematics/the-fibonacci-sequence-in-nature/ 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature & the Golden Ratio
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_17.htm 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature  
http://www.e-telescope.gr/en/cat04/art04_040616.htm 

And concerning dating and investigating the Fibonacci Numbers in reality -
here are some example of what I meant (they are from the first link posted
above):

   1. The ratio between the length and width of face
   2. Ratio of the distance between the lips and where the eyebrows meet to
the length of nose
   3. Ratio of the length of mouth to the width of nose
   4. Ratio of the distance between the shoulder line and the top of the
head to the head length
   5. Ratio of the distance between the navel and knee to the distance
between the knee and the end of the foot
   6. Ratio of the distance between the finger tip and the elbow to the
distance between the wrist and the elbow
   ...  

;-)

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Steve

OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in
mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation
to computing.

As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating
(actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first
139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical
implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from
further thinking!

/gustav


>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
That's cool, David.

But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
I usually understand "geek" to mean.

I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily

equate with having a mathematical mind.

Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
texting while driving?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>
> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>
> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .


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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 08:30:47 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 06:30:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com>
References: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908140630r65f3234i72f8364466dfcc9e@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001296.html


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 14 09:11:07 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:11:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908140630r65f3234i72f8364466dfcc9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>	<007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com>
	<4dd71a0c0908140630r65f3234i72f8364466dfcc9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A85707B.4080904@colbyconsulting.com>

 >I hate to have to be the one to break the bad news to Michael, but for an increasingly large 
percentage of users, the desktop application is already dead.

Hmm...

Pick any office app... Word, Excel, Power Point, Access etc etc.  Not web.
Office Star - Not web

Email clients - not web
Browsers themselves (though they paint the web) - not web

Just going through my program list on my computer...

Streets and Trips - not web (though web equivalents exist)
Ultra Edit
Acoustica Mixcraft (music mixer)
Band-In-A-Box (Music)
Falcon 4.0 (flight simulator)
Morrowind (RPG)
DB Power amp (plays / converts music)
Easy Log (interfaces to temperature sensor)
Empire Deluxe (simulation)
Free Download Manager (robust download manager for the web)
FS1 Flight simulator for RC planes
Hamachi (VPN software)
ITunes
ALL OF THE MICROSOFT STUFF...
MozBackup (Firefox / Thunderbird backup program)
Thunderbird (email client)

Hmm... OK this is getting boring...

I have just gone about 1/2rd of the way down the list of all of the programs installed on my 
computer and absolutely NONE OF THEM, Not ONE, nada, zipo zilch... is a web based application 
(interface rendered by a browser).  Several (though still a small minority) use the web in some way, 
but NONE (not a SINGLE ONE) actually uses an interface rendered by a browser.

What I see is that I use a search engine (Google) as an application.  I interface to banking and my 
credit cards over the web... I suppose those could be considered web based "applications".  My son 
plays web based games...  Other than that most everything that I use on my computer is typical exe / 
dll kind of stuff, including viewing movies and listening to movies.  Movies are going download of 
course but the DISPLAY of the movies is still a program running on my machine, not browser based.

 >I hate to have to be the one to break the bad news to Michael, but for an increasingly large 
percentage of users, the desktop application is already dead.

Am I REALLY in the minority?  Sob...

OK, let's take a poll... anyone who cares to respond do an inventory of the software on your machine 
and tell us

1) Number of browser rendered apps
2) Number of browser rendered "apps" you use hosted on the web.  I would include search engine and 
all the social sites here (facebook etc).  IMs themselves tend to be local programs that USE the 
web, though not always.
2) Number of non-browser rendered apps.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Doug Steele wrote:
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001296.html


From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Aug 14 09:17:33 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:17:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com>
References: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com>
Message-ID: <005b01ca1ce9$f74dcff0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

Wow, that's great Jim.
But is that the "rule" or the "Exception" today ?

Where I'm located in an east coast metro area, there's been very few new
Access development requests for the past 18 months.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Hewson, Jim
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:53 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
>
> Not so.
> We have bid on contracts this year that specifically states:
> Access must be used.
> The rationale:  Access is an "approved" application.  If a
> web-based solution is sought it must conform to "NEW"
> application criteria.  It could take up to 18 months for
> approval.  The customer doesn't want nor need the browser solution.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 10:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
>
> > But I do not think Access applications are a growth market.
> > My feeling is Microsoft has it on the long march to obscurity.
> >
> > Web apps are 'where its at' in terms of growth potential.
> >
> > -Ken
>
> Ken, YOU Are CORRECT: this is EXACTLY what is happening in
> the corporate world as well.
>
> In my latest contract engagement, where I was working for the
> USER department, And NOT the IT department, Access was
> actually "banned" within 6 weeks into my engagement.
> This was a surprise directive from the IT department, and it
> was very "political".
> The users were quite upset with this....and attempted to get
> it "overturned".
> 6 weeks later, I was "let go".
>
> I am sure this is happening "all over" the USA.
>
>
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 14 09:18:10 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:18:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A85707B.4080904@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>	<007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com>	<4dd71a0c0908140630r65f3234i72f8364466dfcc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A85707B.4080904@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A857222.3050400@colbyconsulting.com>

Office star web?  Horrors!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


jwcolby wrote:
>  >I hate to have to be the one to break the bad news to Michael, but for an increasingly large 
> percentage of users, the desktop application is already dead.
> 
> Hmm...
> 
> Pick any office app... Word, Excel, Power Point, Access etc etc.  Not web.
> Office Star - Not web
> 
> Email clients - not web
> Browsers themselves (though they paint the web) - not web
> 
> Just going through my program list on my computer...
> 
> Streets and Trips - not web (though web equivalents exist)
> Ultra Edit
> Acoustica Mixcraft (music mixer)
> Band-In-A-Box (Music)
> Falcon 4.0 (flight simulator)
> Morrowind (RPG)
> DB Power amp (plays / converts music)
> Easy Log (interfaces to temperature sensor)
> Empire Deluxe (simulation)
> Free Download Manager (robust download manager for the web)
> FS1 Flight simulator for RC planes
> Hamachi (VPN software)
> ITunes
> ALL OF THE MICROSOFT STUFF...
> MozBackup (Firefox / Thunderbird backup program)
> Thunderbird (email client)
> 
> Hmm... OK this is getting boring...
> 
> I have just gone about 1/2rd of the way down the list of all of the programs installed on my 
> computer and absolutely NONE OF THEM, Not ONE, nada, zipo zilch... is a web based application 
> (interface rendered by a browser).  Several (though still a small minority) use the web in some way, 
> but NONE (not a SINGLE ONE) actually uses an interface rendered by a browser.
> 
> What I see is that I use a search engine (Google) as an application.  I interface to banking and my 
> credit cards over the web... I suppose those could be considered web based "applications".  My son 
> plays web based games...  Other than that most everything that I use on my computer is typical exe / 
> dll kind of stuff, including viewing movies and listening to movies.  Movies are going download of 
> course but the DISPLAY of the movies is still a program running on my machine, not browser based.
> 
>  >I hate to have to be the one to break the bad news to Michael, but for an increasingly large 
> percentage of users, the desktop application is already dead.
> 
> Am I REALLY in the minority?  Sob...
> 
> OK, let's take a poll... anyone who cares to respond do an inventory of the software on your machine 
> and tell us
> 
> 1) Number of browser rendered apps
> 2) Number of browser rendered "apps" you use hosted on the web.  I would include search engine and 
> all the social sites here (facebook etc).  IMs themselves tend to be local programs that USE the 
> web, though not always.
> 2) Number of non-browser rendered apps.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Doug Steele wrote:
>> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001296.html


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 09:27:37 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:27:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk> <00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com>

Why is it (Fibonacci) strange?  Growing implies getting larger.  What easier
method than that the current size plus the one before it to get the new
size.  Once you have done it, repeat it.  2+3=5.  5+3= 8, et seq.

Pretty basic stuff really.  Any decent organism can do it standing on its
spiral.

Max

Ps. And as for Golden Ration. They are just that, ratios. Nothing more.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 14:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Gustav,

I also find Fibonacci Numbers fascinating. When I mentioned them here today
I didn't mean anyhow your posted here coding sample/you but more many
"samples" of Fibonacci Numbers one can find in Nature:

The Fibonacci Sequence in Nature
http://scienceray.com/mathematics/the-fibonacci-sequence-in-nature/ 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature & the Golden Ratio
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_17.htm 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature  
http://www.e-telescope.gr/en/cat04/art04_040616.htm 

And concerning dating and investigating the Fibonacci Numbers in reality -
here are some example of what I meant (they are from the first link posted
above):

   1. The ratio between the length and width of face
   2. Ratio of the distance between the lips and where the eyebrows meet to
the length of nose
   3. Ratio of the length of mouth to the width of nose
   4. Ratio of the distance between the shoulder line and the top of the
head to the head length
   5. Ratio of the distance between the navel and knee to the distance
between the knee and the end of the foot
   6. Ratio of the distance between the finger tip and the elbow to the
distance between the wrist and the elbow
   ...  

;-)

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Steve

OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in
mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation
to computing.

As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating
(actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first
139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical
implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from
further thinking!

/gustav


>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
That's cool, David.

But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
I usually understand "geek" to mean.

I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily

equate with having a mathematical mind.

Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
texting while driving?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>
> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>
> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 14 09:39:00 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:39:00 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
Message-ID: <sa85933d.031@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

That's what I mean. Some see the beauty, some don't. 
Same for mother nature. For some it is just some boring collection of soil, mountains and trees/plants where some other species than humans try to make a living.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 14-08-2009 16:27 >>>
Why is it (Fibonacci) strange?  Growing implies getting larger.  What easier
method than that the current size plus the one before it to get the new
size.  Once you have done it, repeat it.  2+3=5.  5+3= 8, et seq.

Pretty basic stuff really.  Any decent organism can do it standing on its
spiral.

Max

Ps. And as for Golden Ration. They are just that, ratios. Nothing more.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 14:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Gustav,

I also find Fibonacci Numbers fascinating. When I mentioned them here today
I didn't mean anyhow your posted here coding sample/you but more many
"samples" of Fibonacci Numbers one can find in Nature:

The Fibonacci Sequence in Nature
http://scienceray.com/mathematics/the-fibonacci-sequence-in-nature/ 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature & the Golden Ratio
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_17.htm 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature  
http://www.e-telescope.gr/en/cat04/art04_040616.htm 

And concerning dating and investigating the Fibonacci Numbers in reality -
here are some example of what I meant (they are from the first link posted
above):

   1. The ratio between the length and width of face
   2. Ratio of the distance between the lips and where the eyebrows meet to
the length of nose
   3. Ratio of the length of mouth to the width of nose
   4. Ratio of the distance between the shoulder line and the top of the
head to the head length
   5. Ratio of the distance between the navel and knee to the distance
between the knee and the end of the foot
   6. Ratio of the distance between the finger tip and the elbow to the
distance between the wrist and the elbow
   ...  

;-)

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Steve

OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in
mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation
to computing.

As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating
(actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first
139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical
implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from
further thinking!

/gustav


>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
That's cool, David.

But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
I usually understand "geek" to mean.

I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily

equate with having a mathematical mind.

Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
texting while driving?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>
> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>
> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 09:58:30 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:58:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <sa85933d.031@cactus.dk>
References: <sa85933d.031@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4a857bcf.1c05d00a.3189.ffffc67d@mx.google.com>

I'm with you there.  Love nature. Plants, Animals, Love maths and science.
Science, geography, nature, astronomy, star trek any thing like that I love.

Point I was making was that in itself, Fibonacci is just a series of number.
The mathematicians have to give every sequencing series a name and then
people try to prove their worth by looking at nature.

When a cell divides it does so by doubling, 1=2=4=8=16 et seq.  Found in
nature everywhere.  Far more than anything else.  But it is, just  is.
That's all.

Max
I am a geek and proud of it but I am a prosaic realist as well.  I don't
romanticise "stuff" - I just accept and love it without putting labels on
it.

My nature brings me naturally to Buddhism isofar as relates to life and
living things.  I stop at the point where it says I should forsake worldly
desires - Just love my new puter LOL





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: 14 August 2009 15:39
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Max

That's what I mean. Some see the beauty, some don't. 
Same for mother nature. For some it is just some boring collection of soil,
mountains and trees/plants where some other species than humans try to make
a living.

/gustav


>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 14-08-2009 16:27 >>>
Why is it (Fibonacci) strange?  Growing implies getting larger.  What easier
method than that the current size plus the one before it to get the new
size.  Once you have done it, repeat it.  2+3=5.  5+3= 8, et seq.

Pretty basic stuff really.  Any decent organism can do it standing on its
spiral.

Max

Ps. And as for Golden Ration. They are just that, ratios. Nothing more.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 14:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Gustav,

I also find Fibonacci Numbers fascinating. When I mentioned them here today
I didn't mean anyhow your posted here coding sample/you but more many
"samples" of Fibonacci Numbers one can find in Nature:

The Fibonacci Sequence in Nature
http://scienceray.com/mathematics/the-fibonacci-sequence-in-nature/ 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature & the Golden Ratio
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_17.htm 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature  
http://www.e-telescope.gr/en/cat04/art04_040616.htm 

And concerning dating and investigating the Fibonacci Numbers in reality -
here are some example of what I meant (they are from the first link posted
above):

   1. The ratio between the length and width of face
   2. Ratio of the distance between the lips and where the eyebrows meet to
the length of nose
   3. Ratio of the length of mouth to the width of nose
   4. Ratio of the distance between the shoulder line and the top of the
head to the head length
   5. Ratio of the distance between the navel and knee to the distance
between the knee and the end of the foot
   6. Ratio of the distance between the finger tip and the elbow to the
distance between the wrist and the elbow
   ...  

;-)

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com 
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Steve

OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in
mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation
to computing.

As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating
(actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first
139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical
implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from
further thinking!

/gustav


>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
That's cool, David.

But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
I usually understand "geek" to mean.

I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily

equate with having a mathematical mind.

Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
texting while driving?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>
> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>
> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .

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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 14 10:03:23 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:03:23 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk> <00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>
	<4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>

<<<
They are just that, ratios. Nothing more.
>>>
True.
Just kidding about Fibonacci Numbers relations to a human body
proportions/ratios one can "investigate" on dating, and wondering why some
of that proportions/ratios look beautiful and the other ones ugly for an
ordinary man as I'm...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Why is it (Fibonacci) strange?  Growing implies getting larger.  What easier
method than that the current size plus the one before it to get the new
size.  Once you have done it, repeat it.  2+3=5.  5+3= 8, et seq.

Pretty basic stuff really.  Any decent organism can do it standing on its
spiral.

Max

Ps. And as for Golden Ration. They are just that, ratios. Nothing more.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 14:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Gustav,

I also find Fibonacci Numbers fascinating. When I mentioned them here today
I didn't mean anyhow your posted here coding sample/you but more many
"samples" of Fibonacci Numbers one can find in Nature:

The Fibonacci Sequence in Nature
http://scienceray.com/mathematics/the-fibonacci-sequence-in-nature/ 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature & the Golden Ratio
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_17.htm 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature  
http://www.e-telescope.gr/en/cat04/art04_040616.htm 

And concerning dating and investigating the Fibonacci Numbers in reality -
here are some example of what I meant (they are from the first link posted
above):

   1. The ratio between the length and width of face
   2. Ratio of the distance between the lips and where the eyebrows meet to
the length of nose
   3. Ratio of the length of mouth to the width of nose
   4. Ratio of the distance between the shoulder line and the top of the
head to the head length
   5. Ratio of the distance between the navel and knee to the distance
between the knee and the end of the foot
   6. Ratio of the distance between the finger tip and the elbow to the
distance between the wrist and the elbow
   ...  

;-)

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Steve

OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in
mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation
to computing.

As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating
(actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first
139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical
implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from
further thinking!

/gustav


>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
That's cool, David.

But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
I usually understand "geek" to mean.

I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily

equate with having a mathematical mind.

Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
texting while driving?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>
> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>
> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Aug 14 10:20:40 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:20:40 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4A85707B.4080904@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A56@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Actually John, a lot of your apps are either web enabled, web
compliments, or web dependant.

However, I think ya'll are arguing about whether or not the sun is going
to implode in the next billion years when there is an asteroid heading
towards us in the next few years.

Not many people realize, or are even aware of one of the next big leaps
in computer technology.  It almost sounds like science fiction.  Most of
us have seen movies where 'future' computers are interacted with in many
different ways.  Today, your primary HIDs (Human Interface Devices) are
keyboards and mice.  That's going to change, and it's going to change
within the next decade (IMO):

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/54592

My company happens to be involved (in a way) with this.  The WORKING
demos for this technology is just astounding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_txF7iETX0

This is a video showing the gaming applications.  But just imagine when
this technology is not only out, but has had a few years to percolate.
It will be infused with standard business apps.

Are you ready for that?

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

 >I hate to have to be the one to break the bad news to Michael, but for
an increasingly large 
percentage of users, the desktop application is already dead.

Hmm...

Pick any office app... Word, Excel, Power Point, Access etc etc.  Not
web.
Office Star - Not web

Email clients - not web
Browsers themselves (though they paint the web) - not web

Just going through my program list on my computer...

Streets and Trips - not web (though web equivalents exist)
Ultra Edit
Acoustica Mixcraft (music mixer)
Band-In-A-Box (Music)
Falcon 4.0 (flight simulator)
Morrowind (RPG)
DB Power amp (plays / converts music)
Easy Log (interfaces to temperature sensor)
Empire Deluxe (simulation)
Free Download Manager (robust download manager for the web)
FS1 Flight simulator for RC planes
Hamachi (VPN software)
ITunes
ALL OF THE MICROSOFT STUFF...
MozBackup (Firefox / Thunderbird backup program)
Thunderbird (email client)

Hmm... OK this is getting boring...

I have just gone about 1/2rd of the way down the list of all of the
programs installed on my 
computer and absolutely NONE OF THEM, Not ONE, nada, zipo zilch... is a
web based application 
(interface rendered by a browser).  Several (though still a small
minority) use the web in some way, 
but NONE (not a SINGLE ONE) actually uses an interface rendered by a
browser.

What I see is that I use a search engine (Google) as an application.  I
interface to banking and my 
credit cards over the web... I suppose those could be considered web
based "applications".  My son 
plays web based games...  Other than that most everything that I use on
my computer is typical exe / 
dll kind of stuff, including viewing movies and listening to movies.
Movies are going download of 
course but the DISPLAY of the movies is still a program running on my
machine, not browser based.

 >I hate to have to be the one to break the bad news to Michael, but for
an increasingly large 
percentage of users, the desktop application is already dead.

Am I REALLY in the minority?  Sob...

OK, let's take a poll... anyone who cares to respond do an inventory of
the software on your machine 
and tell us

1) Number of browser rendered apps
2) Number of browser rendered "apps" you use hosted on the web.  I would
include search engine and 
all the social sites here (facebook etc).  IMs themselves tend to be
local programs that USE the 
web, though not always.
2) Number of non-browser rendered apps.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 14 10:26:05 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:26:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A56@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <4A85707B.4080904@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A56@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
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>Are you ready for that? 

NO!!

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

Actually John, a lot of your apps are either web enabled, web
compliments, or web dependant.

However, I think ya'll are arguing about whether or not the sun is going
to implode in the next billion years when there is an asteroid heading
towards us in the next few years.

Not many people realize, or are even aware of one of the next big leaps
in computer technology.  It almost sounds like science fiction.  Most of
us have seen movies where 'future' computers are interacted with in many
different ways.  Today, your primary HIDs (Human Interface Devices) are
keyboards and mice.  That's going to change, and it's going to change
within the next decade (IMO):

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/54592

My company happens to be involved (in a way) with this.  The WORKING
demos for this technology is just astounding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_txF7iETX0

This is a video showing the gaming applications.  But just imagine when
this technology is not only out, but has had a few years to percolate.
It will be infused with standard business apps.

Are you ready for that?

Drew 




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 10:40:05 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:40:05 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>
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	<00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>
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>>look beautiful and the other ones ugly

Well, that very much depend on "the eye of the beholder".  One man's meat is
another man's poison.

What some person might find attractive, others may not.

But, that said, we could all, probably, find consensus in saying "She is
pretty" or "he is handsome".  

We all have a built in "idea" of what constitutes Good Looks. I am sure
Ratios play a part in that.

Can this "feeling" be measured/quantified?   

Probably not, but that is not to say that there is not some academic
somewhere in the World obtaining a grant from Max Factor or similar to try
to find out.

It probably has a lot to do with early development of course, whereby the
baby is used to seeing facial features of those around him/her and find
difficulty later in life when they encounter people of different races and
cultures - particularly those with dissimilar facial features. But once we
have been around these different people for a long time, we start to subtly
notice and differentiate between the facial features.  

Do all kittens look the same. Yes, unless they are yours and then you know
the difference.

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 16:03
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

<<<
They are just that, ratios. Nothing more.
>>>
True.
Just kidding about Fibonacci Numbers relations to a human body
proportions/ratios one can "investigate" on dating, and wondering why some
of that proportions/ratios look beautiful and the other ones ugly for an
ordinary man as I'm...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 6:28 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Why is it (Fibonacci) strange?  Growing implies getting larger.  What easier
method than that the current size plus the one before it to get the new
size.  Once you have done it, repeat it.  2+3=5.  5+3= 8, et seq.

Pretty basic stuff really.  Any decent organism can do it standing on its
spiral.

Max

Ps. And as for Golden Ration. They are just that, ratios. Nothing more.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 14:29
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Gustav,

I also find Fibonacci Numbers fascinating. When I mentioned them here today
I didn't mean anyhow your posted here coding sample/you but more many
"samples" of Fibonacci Numbers one can find in Nature:

The Fibonacci Sequence in Nature
http://scienceray.com/mathematics/the-fibonacci-sequence-in-nature/ 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature & the Golden Ratio
http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_17.htm 

Fibonacci Numbers in Nature  
http://www.e-telescope.gr/en/cat04/art04_040616.htm 

And concerning dating and investigating the Fibonacci Numbers in reality -
here are some example of what I meant (they are from the first link posted
above):

   1. The ratio between the length and width of face
   2. Ratio of the distance between the lips and where the eyebrows meet to
the length of nose
   3. Ratio of the length of mouth to the width of nose
   4. Ratio of the distance between the shoulder line and the top of the
head to the head length
   5. Ratio of the distance between the navel and knee to the distance
between the knee and the end of the foot
   6. Ratio of the distance between the finger tip and the elbow to the
distance between the wrist and the elbow
   ...  

;-)

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:33 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Hi Steve

OK, maybe I use the word geek wrongly - I didn't have the word obsession in
mind, rather habit or strong habit or preference - of course with relation
to computing.

As for the Fibonacci numbers mentioned by Shamil I find them fascinating
(actually posted code here 2008-05-15 to generate the sequence of the first
139 elements) but I don't think that much about some practical
implementation - and the right date could certainly pull me away from
further thinking!

/gustav


>>> miscellany at mvps.org 14-08-2009 09:03 >>>
That's cool, David.

But I must say that this and the earlier examples do not really hit on what 
I usually understand "geek" to mean.

I normally think of an obsession with technology, which does not necessarily

equate with having a mathematical mind.

Anyway, the key question is...  Is your pastime more or less dangerous than 
texting while driving?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "David Emerson" <newsgrps at dalyn.co.nz>
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:57 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

> How about this then.  Take the digits from the car odometer in order
> and only using +, -, *, /, ( and ) make an equation that equals.
>
> Eg: 56872: 5 * 6 / (8 + 7) = 2
>
> Some are easy (especially when there are two zeros in the number) but
> others are harder.  To add interest to the game you have to work it
> out before the odometer changes (the American Govt has helped some of
> you out by sticking with miles (they are longer than km) :-) .


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 10:41:39 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:41:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC5E@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <4A85707B.4080904@colbyconsulting.com>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A56@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Forget her....I am ready....get with the action.  What a way to keep fit....

Brilliant.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 14 August 2009 16:26
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

>Are you ready for that? 

NO!!

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

Actually John, a lot of your apps are either web enabled, web
compliments, or web dependant.

However, I think ya'll are arguing about whether or not the sun is going
to implode in the next billion years when there is an asteroid heading
towards us in the next few years.

Not many people realize, or are even aware of one of the next big leaps
in computer technology.  It almost sounds like science fiction.  Most of
us have seen movies where 'future' computers are interacted with in many
different ways.  Today, your primary HIDs (Human Interface Devices) are
keyboards and mice.  That's going to change, and it's going to change
within the next decade (IMO):

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/54592

My company happens to be involved (in a way) with this.  The WORKING
demos for this technology is just astounding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_txF7iETX0

This is a video showing the gaming applications.  But just imagine when
this technology is not only out, but has had a few years to percolate.
It will be infused with standard business apps.

Are you ready for that?

Drew 


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 10:41:39 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:41:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A56@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <4A85707B.4080904@colbyconsulting.com>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A56@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <4a8585ed.0702d00a.4f79.7fe2@mx.google.com>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_txF7iETX0
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_txF7iETX0

I'm ready, I'm ready.  Where do I buy it?  I want it now, but with a large
screen.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: 14 August 2009 16:21
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

Actually John, a lot of your apps are either web enabled, web
compliments, or web dependant.

However, I think ya'll are arguing about whether or not the sun is going
to implode in the next billion years when there is an asteroid heading
towards us in the next few years.

Not many people realize, or are even aware of one of the next big leaps
in computer technology.  It almost sounds like science fiction.  Most of
us have seen movies where 'future' computers are interacted with in many
different ways.  Today, your primary HIDs (Human Interface Devices) are
keyboards and mice.  That's going to change, and it's going to change
within the next decade (IMO):

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/54592

My company happens to be involved (in a way) with this.  The WORKING
demos for this technology is just astounding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_txF7iETX0

This is a video showing the gaming applications.  But just imagine when
this technology is not only out, but has had a few years to percolate.
It will be infused with standard business apps.

Are you ready for that?

Drew 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:11 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

 >I hate to have to be the one to break the bad news to Michael, but for
an increasingly large 
percentage of users, the desktop application is already dead.

Hmm...

Pick any office app... Word, Excel, Power Point, Access etc etc.  Not
web.
Office Star - Not web

Email clients - not web
Browsers themselves (though they paint the web) - not web

Just going through my program list on my computer...

Streets and Trips - not web (though web equivalents exist)
Ultra Edit
Acoustica Mixcraft (music mixer)
Band-In-A-Box (Music)
Falcon 4.0 (flight simulator)
Morrowind (RPG)
DB Power amp (plays / converts music)
Easy Log (interfaces to temperature sensor)
Empire Deluxe (simulation)
Free Download Manager (robust download manager for the web)
FS1 Flight simulator for RC planes
Hamachi (VPN software)
ITunes
ALL OF THE MICROSOFT STUFF...
MozBackup (Firefox / Thunderbird backup program)
Thunderbird (email client)

Hmm... OK this is getting boring...

I have just gone about 1/2rd of the way down the list of all of the
programs installed on my 
computer and absolutely NONE OF THEM, Not ONE, nada, zipo zilch... is a
web based application 
(interface rendered by a browser).  Several (though still a small
minority) use the web in some way, 
but NONE (not a SINGLE ONE) actually uses an interface rendered by a
browser.

What I see is that I use a search engine (Google) as an application.  I
interface to banking and my 
credit cards over the web... I suppose those could be considered web
based "applications".  My son 
plays web based games...  Other than that most everything that I use on
my computer is typical exe / 
dll kind of stuff, including viewing movies and listening to movies.
Movies are going download of 
course but the DISPLAY of the movies is still a program running on my
machine, not browser based.

 >I hate to have to be the one to break the bad news to Michael, but for
an increasingly large 
percentage of users, the desktop application is already dead.

Am I REALLY in the minority?  Sob...

OK, let's take a poll... anyone who cares to respond do an inventory of
the software on your machine 
and tell us

1) Number of browser rendered apps
2) Number of browser rendered "apps" you use hosted on the web.  I would
include search engine and 
all the social sites here (facebook etc).  IMs themselves tend to be
local programs that USE the 
web, though not always.
2) Number of non-browser rendered apps.

John W. Colby
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 10:50:10 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:50:10 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
References: <4A85707B.4080904@colbyconsulting.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A56@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Message-ID: <5E4E431E8DB149AF9E3E8065D30C8C55@SusanOne>

YES!!!!!! ;) 

Tsk, Tsk, Charlotte! ;) 

Susan H. 
> >Are you ready for that? 
> 
> NO!!
> Are you ready for that?



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug 14 10:50:34 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:50:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Vista Source
In-Reply-To: <4A85452E.9010709@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>, <4A85452E.9010709@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A8587CA.10370.C349617@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

The source code for the Vista operating system has become available:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1MzQ-
TV5SU/R_HZ83M0BVI/AAAAAAAADsI/6B6D5d_D3n0/s1600-h/vista_source.gif

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 11:03:31 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:03:31 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: Vista Source
In-Reply-To: <4A8587CA.10370.C349617@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>, <4A85452E.9010709@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A8587CA.10370.C349617@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a858b0b.0506d00a.6c7f.6544@mx.google.com>

Very good.

I know it wasn't genuine the minute I saw no reference to preventing the
user from saving a file to a folder of his choosing...

Max


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Sent: 14 August 2009 16:51
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: Vista Source

The source code for the Vista operating system has become available:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_o1MzQ-
TV5SU/R_HZ83M0BVI/AAAAAAAADsI/6B6D5d_D3n0/s1600-h/vista_source.gif

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Fri Aug 14 11:22:22 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:22:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4a8585e7.0702d00a.4f79.7fd7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A5C@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Nah, gaming and exercise excluded...image querying a data with your hand
motions, instead of writing out SQL....

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

Forget her....I am ready....get with the action.  What a way to keep
fit....

Brilliant.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 14 August 2009 16:26
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

>Are you ready for that? 

NO!!

Charlotte

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

Actually John, a lot of your apps are either web enabled, web
compliments, or web dependant.

However, I think ya'll are arguing about whether or not the sun is going
to implode in the next billion years when there is an asteroid heading
towards us in the next few years.

Not many people realize, or are even aware of one of the next big leaps
in computer technology.  It almost sounds like science fiction.  Most of
us have seen movies where 'future' computers are interacted with in many
different ways.  Today, your primary HIDs (Human Interface Devices) are
keyboards and mice.  That's going to change, and it's going to change
within the next decade (IMO):

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/patterson/54592

My company happens to be involved (in a way) with this.  The WORKING
demos for this technology is just astounding.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_txF7iETX0

This is a video showing the gaming applications.  But just imagine when
this technology is not only out, but has had a few years to percolate.
It will be infused with standard business apps.

Are you ready for that?

Drew 


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 11:38:48 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:38:48 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
Message-ID: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>

AAAHH..

 

Good to see the good ?ol British Empire is still as good as ever.

 

 


Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.


View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>  article...



From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 12:17:11 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:17:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A5C@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <4a8585e7.0702d00a.4f79.7fd7@mx.google.com>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A5C@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908141017m3f5738d1o3ae8ca1c4efae6c7@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like this stuff is going to be pretty hard on your carpet...

Doug

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:

> Nah, gaming and exercise excluded...image querying a data with your hand
> motions, instead of writing out SQL....
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 14 12:19:26 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:19:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>

 >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and immaturity and of a general 
administrative incompetence".

Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?

<ducks and runs>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> AAAHH..
> 
>  
> 
> Good to see the good ?ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
> 
> 
> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>  article...
> 


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 12:26:27 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:26:27 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A5C@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <4a8585e7.0702d00a.4f79.7fd7@mx.google.com>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A5C@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908141026i399a9e96m53c4c403d8145f80@mail.gmail.com>

Imagine the technical support call:

"Remember, to do a select query you have to use your left hand.  No, no,
that's your RIGHT hand you're waving"

or the failed job interview:

"Sorry, we can't hire you as a SQL admin because your arms are too short."

Doug

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:

> Nah, gaming and exercise excluded...image querying a data with your hand
> motions, instead of writing out SQL....
>
>


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Aug 14 12:29:42 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:29:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>
	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because  the USA had way more nukes than GB.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

 >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".

Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?

<ducks and runs>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> AAAHH..
> 
>  
> 
> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
> 
> 
> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>  article...
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 14 12:37:54 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:37:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>
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Message-ID: <4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>

Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the uninsured into the 
medical system.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because  the USA had way more nukes than GB.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
> 
>  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
> 
> Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
> 
> <ducks and runs>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> AAAHH..
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>  article...
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 12:38:37 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:38:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908141017m3f5738d1o3ae8ca1c4efae6c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4a8585e7.0702d00a.4f79.7fd7@mx.google.com>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A5C@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<4dd71a0c0908141017m3f5738d1o3ae8ca1c4efae6c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a85a15e.0702d00a.3b0c.6de8@mx.google.com>

Well, Doug,
I can see us all having lessons form the Deaf who have mastered Sign
Language years ago.

~They will be the new technocrats while the rest of  us play catch-up

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:17
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

Looks like this stuff is going to be pretty hard on your carpet...

Doug

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:

> Nah, gaming and exercise excluded...image querying a data with your hand
> motions, instead of writing out SQL....
>
>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 12:38:37 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:38:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>
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I think it was more to do with your NHS (or lack of it)

LOL

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:30
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the
Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because
the USA had way more nukes than GB.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

 >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".

Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?

<ducks and runs>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> AAAHH..
> 
>  
> 
> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an
inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
> 
> 
> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>
article...
> 
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 14 12:49:16 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:49:16 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <4a85858b.0a1ad00a.7809.3d36@mx.google.com>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>	<00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>	<4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com>	<00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>
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<<<
One man's meat is another man's poison.
>>>
Yes. :)

<<<
The baby is used to seeing facial features of 
those around him/her and find difficulty later 
in life when they encounter people of different
races and cultures - particularly those with 
dissimilar facial features.
>>>
No. IMO men's facial and bodily beauty perception as well as their
cultural/behavioral foundations are not dependent on their childhood
experiences - latter are still mainly different for different races and
cultures as you noted but beauty perception is absolute I
believe/feel/experience...

Well, as you also noted and I agreed "one man's meat is another man's
poison" :) - I mean there should exist individual for every human being
races' and cultures' independent face and body proportions/"templates",
which attract one man and detract the other one and vice versa...

And of course those "face and body proportions/templates" change(/get
extended/enriched) with men getting through their lives obtaining new
experiences, understanding differences in some foundations of other cultures
and races compared with the ones they get on birth...

<<<
But, that said, we could all, probably, find 
consensus in saying "She is pretty" or 
"he is handsome".  
>>>
Yes, if we use the same "templates" or we're ready to constructively
adjust/extend the set of each other "templates"...

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 7:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

>>look beautiful and the other ones ugly

Well, that very much depend on "the eye of the beholder".  One man's meat is
another man's poison.

What some person might find attractive, others may not.

But, that said, we could all, probably, find consensus in saying "She is
pretty" or "he is handsome".  

We all have a built in "idea" of what constitutes Good Looks. I am sure
Ratios play a part in that.

Can this "feeling" be measured/quantified?   

Probably not, but that is not to say that there is not some academic
somewhere in the World obtaining a grant from Max Factor or similar to try
to find out.

It probably has a lot to do with early development of course, whereby thee
baby is used to seeing facial features of those around him/her and find
difficulty later in life when they encounter people of different races and
cultures - particularly those with dissimilar facial features. But once we
have been around these different people for a long time, we start to subtly
notice and differentiate between the facial features.  

Do all kittens look the same. Yes, unless they are yours and then you know
the difference.

Max


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 14 12:50:25 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:50:25 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
Message-ID: <sa85c019.051@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

That is in fact a good observation. Food for thought.

/gustav

>>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 14-08-2009 19:38 >>>
Well, Doug,
I can see us all having lessons form the Deaf who have mastered Sign Language years ago.

~They will be the new technocrats while the rest of  us play catch-up

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:17
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

Looks like this stuff is going to be pretty hard on your carpet...

Doug

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Drew Wutka <DWUTKA at marlow.com> wrote:

> Nah, gaming and exercise excluded...image querying a data with your hand
> motions, instead of writing out SQL....




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 14 12:54:48 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:54:48 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>

>> the cost of integrating all the uninsured
>> into the  medical system."
I have heard UK has a satisfactory free medical care system.

True/False - Max?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the
uninsured into the 
medical system.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the
Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because
the USA had way more nukes than GB.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
> 
>  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
> 
> Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
> 
> <ducks and runs>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> AAAHH..
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an
inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>
article...
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 13:04:33 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:04:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a85a774.1818d00a.424d.0451@mx.google.com>

~Exactly, but we could introduce the Death Panels.  I am a member of our
local one.  Basically, the panel sits down and decides which of the sick and
elderly are going to die this week and whether we should spend our limited
budget on medicine or new computers - I have a great new laptop!  I love the
NHS.


We could, I suppose, lower the criterion to include those opposing our
invasion.

The biggest advantage of being a panel member is that when your name comes
up, you can veto it.  Hahah

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:38
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the
uninsured into the 
medical system.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the
Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because
the USA had way more nukes than GB.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
> 
>  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
> 
> Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
> 
> <ducks and runs>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> AAAHH..
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an
inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>
article...
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 13:09:37 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:09:37 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <00f501ca1d07$8c374750$a4a5d5f0$@spb.ru>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>	<00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>	<4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com>	<00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>	<4a85858b.0a1ad00a.7809.3d36@mx.google.com>
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Well, I can remember when I was a young lad and Chinese Take-away's started
to become widespread across the uk.  Everybody had problems because the
Chinese all looked alike to the Brits.  Nowdays, many years later,  we have
got so used to seeing them and other nationalities that that problem has
gone, but I have heard of a place where the said "the brits all look the
same"..

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

<<<
One man's meat is another man's poison.
>>>
Yes. :)

<<<
The baby is used to seeing facial features of 
those around him/her and find difficulty later 
in life when they encounter people of different
races and cultures - particularly those with 
dissimilar facial features.
>>>
No. IMO men's facial and bodily beauty perception as well as their
cultural/behavioral foundations are not dependent on their childhood
experiences - latter are still mainly different for different races and
cultures as you noted but beauty perception is absolute I
believe/feel/experience...

Well, as you also noted and I agreed "one man's meat is another man's
poison" :) - I mean there should exist individual for every human being
races' and cultures' independent face and body proportions/"templates",
which attract one man and detract the other one and vice versa...

And of course those "face and body proportions/templates" change(/get
extended/enriched) with men getting through their lives obtaining new
experiences, understanding differences in some foundations of other cultures
and races compared with the ones they get on birth...

<<<
But, that said, we could all, probably, find 
consensus in saying "She is pretty" or 
"he is handsome".  
>>>
Yes, if we use the same "templates" or we're ready to constructively
adjust/extend the set of each other "templates"...

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 7:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

>>look beautiful and the other ones ugly

Well, that very much depend on "the eye of the beholder".  One man's meat is
another man's poison.

What some person might find attractive, others may not.

But, that said, we could all, probably, find consensus in saying "She is
pretty" or "he is handsome".  

We all have a built in "idea" of what constitutes Good Looks. I am sure
Ratios play a part in that.

Can this "feeling" be measured/quantified?   

Probably not, but that is not to say that there is not some academic
somewhere in the World obtaining a grant from Max Factor or similar to try
to find out.

It probably has a lot to do with early development of course, whereby thee
baby is used to seeing facial features of those around him/her and find
difficulty later in life when they encounter people of different races and
cultures - particularly those with dissimilar facial features. But once we
have been around these different people for a long time, we start to subtly
notice and differentiate between the facial features.  

Do all kittens look the same. Yes, unless they are yours and then you know
the difference.

Max


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 13:11:18 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:11:18 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
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A serious reply:
The British NHS is outstanding.  It is not without faults, but throughout my
whole life it has looked after me and my family for minor and major health
matters.  Quite simply, it is outstanding.  My biggest criticism it that it
does appear to be "managerial" heavy. IOW, needs more spending on front line
services, less on the bean counters.  ~The new contracts for GPs and
Dentists is way over the top.  Our new GP was a surgeon but left that to
become a GP because she can now earn >?300,000 a year.  Twice what she was
earning as a surgeon.  Needs some fine adjustments, but basically, it really
is good.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

>> the cost of integrating all the uninsured
>> into the  medical system."
I have heard UK has a satisfactory free medical care system.

True/False - Max?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the
uninsured into the 
medical system.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the
Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because
the USA had way more nukes than GB.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
> 
>  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
> 
> Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
> 
> <ducks and runs>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> AAAHH..
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an
inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>
article...
>>
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From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Aug 14 13:12:46 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:12:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908140630r65f3234i72f8364466dfcc9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com>
	<4dd71a0c0908140630r65f3234i72f8364466dfcc9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002501ca1d0a$d389eab0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

"Web programming is far from perfect. It's downright kludgy. It's true that
any J. Random Coder can plop out a terrible web application, and 99% of web
applications are absolute crap."

Bingo. How long will it take to get that number down to 50% ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:31 AM
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> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
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> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001296.html
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 13:19:56 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:19:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <002501ca1d0a$d389eab0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
References: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com>	<007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com>	<4dd71a0c0908140630r65f3234i72f8364466dfcc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<002501ca1d0a$d389eab0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
Message-ID: <4a85ab11.0a1ad00a.59b1.ffffb502@mx.google.com>

> How long will it take to get that number down to 50% ?
Over night if I stop coding.

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:13
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

"Web programming is far from perfect. It's downright kludgy. It's true that
any J. Random Coder can plop out a terrible web application, and 99% of web
applications are absolute crap."

Bingo. How long will it take to get that number down to 50% ?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Aug 14 13:33:06 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:33:06 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>
	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>,
	<4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Without saying move this to OT where it belongs (<:

I agree with Max. When I was ill they where outstanding. When my dad was ill again outstanding. 

If you break an arm or  something minor you  might way a few hours to be treated but once in my experience is that they are outstanding.

My daughter is currently receiveing treatment and she has moved form Private treatment (ie we paid for it) to the NHS. They have opened more doors and got her into the proper treatment and do nothing but help. Have I had bad expereinces in it. Yes I have but at the end of the day if me or any of the family are ill we get looked after for "free" as does everyone else.

The biggest gripe I have with the NHS is at times the time to get  treatment can be really long and private woudl be very quick. But for the vast majority of people who cannot afford to go private the NHS is there.




Martin WP Reid
Information Services
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo [max.wanadoo at gmail.com]
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:11
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

A serious reply:
The British NHS is outstanding.  It is not without faults, but throughout my
whole life it has looked after me and my family for minor and major health
matters.  Quite simply, it is outstanding.  My biggest criticism it that it
does appear to be "managerial" heavy. IOW, needs more spending on front line
services, less on the bean counters.  ~The new contracts for GPs and
Dentists is way over the top.  Our new GP was a surgeon but left that to
become a GP because she can now earn >?300,000 a year.  Twice what she was
earning as a surgeon.  Needs some fine adjustments, but basically, it really
is good.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

>> the cost of integrating all the uninsured
>> into the  medical system."
I have heard UK has a satisfactory free medical care system.

True/False - Max?

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the
uninsured into the
medical system.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the
Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because
the USA had way more nukes than GB.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
>
>  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
>
> Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
>
> <ducks and runs>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> AAAHH..
>>
>>
>>
>> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an
inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>
article...
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 14 13:37:07 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:37:07 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <4a85858b.0a1ad00a.7809.3d36@mx.google.com>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk><00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>	<4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com><00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>
	<4a85858b.0a1ad00a.7809.3d36@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC76@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Ratios definitely play a part.  Different cultures define pretty and
handsome differently.  As the world cultures blend, those differences
modulate, but they're still there.  And if you think all kittens look
the same, consider the Cornish Rex vis-a-vis the munchkin.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

>>look beautiful and the other ones ugly

Well, that very much depend on "the eye of the beholder".  One man's
meat is another man's poison.

What some person might find attractive, others may not.

But, that said, we could all, probably, find consensus in saying "She is
pretty" or "he is handsome".  

We all have a built in "idea" of what constitutes Good Looks. I am sure
Ratios play a part in that.

Can this "feeling" be measured/quantified?   

Probably not, but that is not to say that there is not some academic
somewhere in the World obtaining a grant from Max Factor or similar to
try to find out.

It probably has a lot to do with early development of course, whereby
the baby is used to seeing facial features of those around him/her and
find difficulty later in life when they encounter people of different
races and cultures - particularly those with dissimilar facial features.
But once we have been around these different people for a long time, we
start to subtly notice and differentiate between the facial features.  

Do all kittens look the same. Yes, unless they are yours and then you
know the difference.

Max





From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 14 13:39:10 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:39:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>
	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC78@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Actually, every administration I remember, except maybe Truman and
Eisenhower, too young then to know.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

 >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".

Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?

<ducks and runs>

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From accessd at gfconsultants.com  Fri Aug 14 13:49:08 2009
From: accessd at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:49:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
Message-ID: <6973404D659646EE91028C52EF424066@reubennx9500>

I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running a
function.

Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista?  I don't have
a Vista computer to test it.

Thanks.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017





From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 13:53:30 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:53:30 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC76@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk><00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>	<4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com><00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>	<4a85858b.0a1ad00a.7809.3d36@mx.google.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC76@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4a85b2f2.0a1ad00a.5dbd.38f7@mx.google.com>

I meant from the same litter.

Do you know how indifferent people can be to pets. I was at the water centre
on Sunday and this woman walked past with a Dalmation (the spotted dog).  

I asked her if she know how many spots were on her dog.  She didn't know.
If it was my dog, I would  know.

Indifference is rife!

Max
Ps. Good job its Friday...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:37
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Ratios definitely play a part.  Different cultures define pretty and
handsome differently.  As the world cultures blend, those differences
modulate, but they're still there.  And if you think all kittens look
the same, consider the Cornish Rex vis-a-vis the munchkin.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

>>look beautiful and the other ones ugly

Well, that very much depend on "the eye of the beholder".  One man's
meat is another man's poison.

What some person might find attractive, others may not.

But, that said, we could all, probably, find consensus in saying "She is
pretty" or "he is handsome".  

We all have a built in "idea" of what constitutes Good Looks. I am sure
Ratios play a part in that.

Can this "feeling" be measured/quantified?   

Probably not, but that is not to say that there is not some academic
somewhere in the World obtaining a grant from Max Factor or similar to
try to find out.

It probably has a lot to do with early development of course, whereby
the baby is used to seeing facial features of those around him/her and
find difficulty later in life when they encounter people of different
races and cultures - particularly those with dissimilar facial features.
But once we have been around these different people for a long time, we
start to subtly notice and differentiate between the facial features.  

Do all kittens look the same. Yes, unless they are yours and then you
know the difference.

Max



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 13:58:04 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:58:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <6973404D659646EE91028C52EF424066@reubennx9500>
References: <6973404D659646EE91028C52EF424066@reubennx9500>
Message-ID: <4a85b404.1818d00a.1a16.ffffc692@mx.google.com>

Reuben,

With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running a
function.

Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista?  I don't have
a Vista computer to test it.

Thanks.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017



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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 14 14:03:53 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:03:53 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <4a85a8a5.1c05d00a.3189.40e7@mx.google.com>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk>	<00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>	<4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com>	<00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>	<4a85858b.0a1ad00a.7809.3d36@mx.google.com>	<00f501ca1d07$8c374750$a4a5d5f0$@spb.ru>
	<4a85a8a5.1c05d00a.3189.40e7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00f701ca1d11$f8d245e0$ea76d1a0$@spb.ru>

>> the brits all look the same
Not from here :)

>> the Chinese all looked alike 
>> to the Brits 
I have recently attended my daughter's M.Sc. graduation meeting - imagine
her Economics and Finance University located here in St.Petersburg, Russia
has strong relations with China's high schools and colleges, and there were
there about 30% Chinese M.Sc. graduates who got their M.Sc. courses here in
St.Petersburg - I didn't find they are all looking alike - and seeing
Chinese people here on the streets is still not common. And a lot of people
from the South of ex-USSR (Middle Asia) are now here - yes, they look a bit
alike from distance as they usually have darker skin and are not so tall as
"average Russians" but on short distance one can clearly see they all are
different...

I suppose independent on own race and culture men can clearly see the
differences in others when those men are interested in the "subject" other
nation/race they contact with...

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:10 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Well, I can remember when I was a young lad and Chinese Take-away's started
to become widespread across the uk.  Everybody had problems because the
Chinese all looked alike to the Brits.  Nowdays, many years later,  we have
got so used to seeing them and other nationalities that that problem has
gone, but I have heard of a place where the said "the brits all look the
same"..

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:49
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

<<<
One man's meat is another man's poison.
>>>
Yes. :)

<<<
The baby is used to seeing facial features of 
those around him/her and find difficulty later 
in life when they encounter people of different
races and cultures - particularly those with 
dissimilar facial features.
>>>
No. IMO men's facial and bodily beauty perception as well as their
cultural/behavioral foundations are not dependent on their childhood
experiences - latter are still mainly different for different races and
cultures as you noted but beauty perception is absolute I
believe/feel/experience...

Well, as you also noted and I agreed "one man's meat is another man's
poison" :) - I mean there should exist individual for every human being
races' and cultures' independent face and body proportions/"templates",
which attract one man and detract the other one and vice versa...

And of course those "face and body proportions/templates" change(/get
extended/enriched) with men getting through their lives obtaining new
experiences, understanding differences in some foundations of other cultures
and races compared with the ones they get on birth...

<<<
But, that said, we could all, probably, find 
consensus in saying "She is pretty" or 
"he is handsome".  
>>>
Yes, if we use the same "templates" or we're ready to constructively
adjust/extend the set of each other "templates"...

--
Shamil


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 7:40 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

>>look beautiful and the other ones ugly

Well, that very much depend on "the eye of the beholder".  One man's meat is
another man's poison.

What some person might find attractive, others may not.

But, that said, we could all, probably, find consensus in saying "She is
pretty" or "he is handsome".  

We all have a built in "idea" of what constitutes Good Looks. I am sure
Ratios play a part in that.

Can this "feeling" be measured/quantified?   

Probably not, but that is not to say that there is not some academic
somewhere in the World obtaining a grant from Max Factor or similar to try
to find out.

It probably has a lot to do with early development of course, whereby thee
baby is used to seeing facial features of those around him/her and find
difficulty later in life when they encounter people of different races and
cultures - particularly those with dissimilar facial features. But once we
have been around these different people for a long time, we start to subtly
notice and differentiate between the facial features.  

Do all kittens look the same. Yes, unless they are yours and then you know
the difference.

Max


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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 14 14:03:53 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:03:53 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>	<00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>
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Thank you for the serious answer, Max.

And now kidding: then it shouldn?t be a problem for UK to "acquire back" the
States and integrate all their uninsured people in your good medical system
- US nation AFAIK is generally healthy and from 46+ millions uninsured in US
there shouldn't be that much more free medical care enquires to put your
medical system in trouble...

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:11 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

A serious reply:
The British NHS is outstanding.  It is not without faults, but throughout my
whole life it has looked after me and my family for minor and major health
matters.  Quite simply, it is outstanding.  My biggest criticism it that it
does appear to be "managerial" heavy. IOW, needs more spending on front line
services, less on the bean counters.  ~The new contracts for GPs and
Dentists is way over the top.  Our new GP was a surgeon but left that to
become a GP because she can now earn >?300,000 a year.  Twice what she was
earning as a surgeon.  Needs some fine adjustments, but basically, it really
is good.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

>> the cost of integrating all the uninsured
>> into the  medical system."
I have heard UK has a satisfactory free medical care system.

True/False - Max?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the
uninsured into the 
medical system.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the
Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because
the USA had way more nukes than GB.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
> 
>  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
> 
> Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
> 
> <ducks and runs>
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> AAAHH..
>>
>>  
>>
>> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an
inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>
article...
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 14:06:16 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:06:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>	<00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>,
	<4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4a85b5f3.0702d00a.3b0c.ffff9c18@mx.google.com>

>> Without saying move this to OT where it belongs (<:



Actually, I have posted far too many OT emails today.
So, I am moving back to OT so that I can discuss the NHS system and help you
guys make an informed decision.

No more OTs today.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:33
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Without saying move this to OT where it belongs (<:

I agree with Max. When I was ill they where outstanding. When my dad was ill
again outstanding. 

If you break an arm or  something minor you  might way a few hours to be
treated but once in my experience is that they are outstanding.

My daughter is currently receiveing treatment and she has moved form Private
treatment (ie we paid for it) to the NHS. They have opened more doors and
got her into the proper treatment and do nothing but help. Have I had bad
expereinces in it. Yes I have but at the end of the day if me or any of the
family are ill we get looked after for "free" as does everyone else.

The biggest gripe I have with the NHS is at times the time to get  treatment
can be really long and private woudl be very quick. But for the vast
majority of people who cannot afford to go private the NHS is there.




Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
[max.wanadoo at gmail.com]
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:11
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

A serious reply:
The British NHS is outstanding.  It is not without faults, but throughout my
whole life it has looked after me and my family for minor and major health
matters.  Quite simply, it is outstanding.  My biggest criticism it that it
does appear to be "managerial" heavy. IOW, needs more spending on front line
services, less on the bean counters.  ~The new contracts for GPs and
Dentists is way over the top.  Our new GP was a surgeon but left that to
become a GP because she can now earn >?300,000 a year.  Twice what she was
earning as a surgeon.  Needs some fine adjustments, but basically, it really
is good.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

>> the cost of integrating all the uninsured
>> into the  medical system."
I have heard UK has a satisfactory free medical care system.

True/False - Max?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the
uninsured into the
medical system.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the
Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because
the USA had way more nukes than GB.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
>
>  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
>
> Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
>
> <ducks and runs>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> AAAHH..
>>
>>
>>
>> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an
inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>
article...
>>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Aug 14 14:08:50 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:08:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>
	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>,
	<4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06BE@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Here in the USA, a coupe of years ago my wife broke her ankle and dislocated a finger in a trip and fall accident. We have insurance, we went to the local hospital (6 blocks away) and waited hours and hours for treatment. The only prompt service was when a nurse called a fire department to come cut off my wife's ring which was in danger of cutting off the blood supply due to swelling. After that five minute 'operation' is was back to waiting and waiting...

Don't talk to me about private medicine. Legalize extortion.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:33 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Without saying move this to OT where it belongs (<:

I agree with Max. When I was ill they where outstanding. When my dad was ill again outstanding. 

If you break an arm or  something minor you  might way a few hours to be treated but once in my experience is that they are outstanding.

My daughter is currently receiveing treatment and she has moved form Private treatment (ie we paid for it) to the NHS. They have opened more doors and got her into the proper treatment and do nothing but help. Have I had bad expereinces in it. Yes I have but at the end of the day if me or any of the family are ill we get looked after for "free" as does everyone else.

The biggest gripe I have with the NHS is at times the time to get  treatment can be really long and private woudl be very quick. But for the vast majority of people who cannot afford to go private the NHS is there.




Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo [max.wanadoo at gmail.com]
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:11
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

A serious reply:
The British NHS is outstanding.  It is not without faults, but throughout my whole life it has looked after me and my family for minor and major health matters.  Quite simply, it is outstanding.  My biggest criticism it that it does appear to be "managerial" heavy. IOW, needs more spending on front line services, less on the bean counters.  ~The new contracts for GPs and Dentists is way over the top.  Our new GP was a surgeon but left that to become a GP because she can now earn >?300,000 a year.  Twice what she was earning as a surgeon.  Needs some fine adjustments, but basically, it really is good.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 18:55
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

>> the cost of integrating all the uninsured into the  medical system."
I have heard UK has a satisfactory free medical care system.

True/False - Max?

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the uninsured into the medical system.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the
Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because the USA had way more nukes than GB.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
>
>  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
>
> Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
>
> <ducks and runs>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> AAAHH..
>>
>>
>>
>> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an
inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>
article...
>>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Aug 14 14:10:37 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:10:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4a85b404.1818d00a.1a16.ffffc692@mx.google.com>
References: <6973404D659646EE91028C52EF424066@reubennx9500>
	<4a85b404.1818d00a.1a16.ffffc692@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Use the API...


Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
    "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As Long) As Long


'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
'It is not to be altered or distributed,
'except as part of an application.
'You are free to use it in any application,
'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
'
'Code courtesy of
'Dev Ashish
Function fOSMachineName() As String
'Returns the computername
Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
Dim strCompName As String
    lngLen = 16
    strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
    lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
    If lngX <> 0 Then
        fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
    Else
        fOSMachineName = ""
    End If
End Function

'******************** Code End **************************

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Reuben,

With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running a function.

Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista?  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.

Thanks.

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 14 14:10:15 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:10:15 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <4a85b2f2.0a1ad00a.5dbd.38f7@mx.google.com>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk><00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>	<4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com><00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>	<4a85858b.0a1ad00a.7809.3d36@mx.google.com>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC76@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<4a85b2f2.0a1ad00a.5dbd.38f7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00f901ca1d12$dd89e8a0$989db9e0$@spb.ru>

>>> Indifference is rife!
Yes, that is the main cause of the cases when "all Brits look alike" or "all
Chinese look alike"...

>> Ps. Good job its Friday...
Yes, I'm closing for today, and I promise to not post OT till the next
Friday.

Have nice weekend.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

I meant from the same litter.

Do you know how indifferent people can be to pets. I was at the water centre
on Sunday and this woman walked past with a Dalmation (the spotted dog).  

I asked her if she know how many spots were on her dog.  She didn't know.
If it was my dog, I would  know.

Indifference is rife!

Max
Ps. Good job its Friday...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:37
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Ratios definitely play a part.  Different cultures define pretty and
handsome differently.  As the world cultures blend, those differences
modulate, but they're still there.  And if you think all kittens look
the same, consider the Cornish Rex vis-a-vis the munchkin.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

>>look beautiful and the other ones ugly

Well, that very much depend on "the eye of the beholder".  One man's
meat is another man's poison.

What some person might find attractive, others may not.

But, that said, we could all, probably, find consensus in saying "She is
pretty" or "he is handsome".  

We all have a built in "idea" of what constitutes Good Looks. I am sure
Ratios play a part in that.

Can this "feeling" be measured/quantified?   

Probably not, but that is not to say that there is not some academic
somewhere in the World obtaining a grant from Max Factor or similar to
try to find out.

It probably has a lot to do with early development of course, whereby
the baby is used to seeing facial features of those around him/her and
find difficulty later in life when they encounter people of different
races and cultures - particularly those with dissimilar facial features.
But once we have been around these different people for a long time, we
start to subtly notice and differentiate between the facial features.  

Do all kittens look the same. Yes, unless they are yours and then you
know the difference.

Max



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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Aug 14 14:13:26 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:13:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06BE@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>
	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>,
	<4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06BE@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C937A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Actually I had to go to Hospital with my wife while over at Rockys. Outstanding care in a private hospital she received there. No waiting at all. 

Martin


Martin WP Reid
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Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert [Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com]
Sent: 14 August 2009 20:08
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Here in the USA, a coupe of years ago my wife broke her ankle and dislocated a finger in a trip and fall accident. We have insurance, we went to the local hospital (6 blocks away) and waited hours and hours for treatment. The only prompt service was when a nurse called a fire department to come cut off my wife's ring which was in danger of cutting off the blood supply due to swelling. After that five minute 'operation' is was back to waiting and waiting...

Don't talk to me about private medicine. Legalize extortion.

Lambert


From accessd at gfconsultants.com  Fri Aug 14 14:18:16 2009
From: accessd at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:18:16 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <BEFDCA0776BB45C6A9B665416EC3F4BC@reubennx9500>

Is there an advantage to the API over the environ function?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> 
> Use the API...
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
>     "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As 
> Long) As Long
> 
> 
> 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> 'It is not to be altered or distributed,
> 'except as part of an application.
> 'You are free to use it in any application,
> 'provided the copyright notice is left unchanged.
> '
> 'Code courtesy of
> 'Dev Ashish
> Function fOSMachineName() As String
> 'Returns the computername
> Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> Dim strCompName As String
>     lngLen = 16
>     strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
>     lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
>     If lngX <> 0 Then
>         fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
>     Else
>         fOSMachineName = ""
>     End If
> End Function
> 
> '******************** Code End **************************
> 
> Lambert 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Reuben,
> 
> With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
> Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of 
> Reuben Cummings
> Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer 
> currently running a function.
> 
> Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista? 
>  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 14:20:02 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:20:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C937A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>	<00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>,
	<4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06BE@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C937A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4a85b92c.1c05d00a.4a98.ffffb183@mx.google.com>

They recognised the accent...

Same here, foreign accents get served first.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: 14 August 2009 20:13
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Actually I had to go to Hospital with my wife while over at Rockys.
Outstanding care in a private hospital she received there. No waiting at
all. 

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
[Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com]
Sent: 14 August 2009 20:08
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Here in the USA, a coupe of years ago my wife broke her ankle and dislocated
a finger in a trip and fall accident. We have insurance, we went to the
local hospital (6 blocks away) and waited hours and hours for treatment. The
only prompt service was when a nurse called a fire department to come cut
off my wife's ring which was in danger of cutting off the blood supply due
to swelling. After that five minute 'operation' is was back to waiting and
waiting...

Don't talk to me about private medicine. Legalize extortion.

Lambert
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 14:20:02 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:20:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C937A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>	<00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>,
	<4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06BE@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C937A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4a85b92e.1c05d00a.4a98.ffffb186@mx.google.com>

Please take this OT (hahaha - I am on OT now)

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
Sent: 14 August 2009 20:13
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Actually I had to go to Hospital with my wife while over at Rockys.
Outstanding care in a private hospital she received there. No waiting at
all. 

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
[Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com]
Sent: 14 August 2009 20:08
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Here in the USA, a coupe of years ago my wife broke her ankle and dislocated
a finger in a trip and fall accident. We have insurance, we went to the
local hospital (6 blocks away) and waited hours and hours for treatment. The
only prompt service was when a nurse called a fire department to come cut
off my wife's ring which was in danger of cutting off the blood supply due
to swelling. After that five minute 'operation' is was back to waiting and
waiting...

Don't talk to me about private medicine. Legalize extortion.

Lambert
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 14:20:02 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:20:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek
In-Reply-To: <00f901ca1d12$dd89e8a0$989db9e0$@spb.ru>
References: <sa85599b.015@cactus.dk><00d801ca1ce3$226a5bb0$673f1310$@spb.ru>	<4a857486.1818d00a.1431.3d26@mx.google.com><00e501ca1cf0$60235ee0$206a1ca0$@spb.ru>	<4a85858b.0a1ad00a.7809.3d36@mx.google.com>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAC76@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>	<4a85b2f2.0a1ad00a.5dbd.38f7@mx.google.com>
	<00f901ca1d12$dd89e8a0$989db9e0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4a85b92f.1c05d00a.4a98.ffffb18c@mx.google.com>

Please take this OT (hahaha - I am on OT now)

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: 14 August 2009 20:10
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

>>> Indifference is rife!
Yes, that is the main cause of the cases when "all Brits look alike" or "all
Chinese look alike"...

>> Ps. Good job its Friday...
Yes, I'm closing for today, and I promise to not post OT till the next
Friday.

Have nice weekend.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:54 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

I meant from the same litter.

Do you know how indifferent people can be to pets. I was at the water centre
on Sunday and this woman walked past with a Dalmation (the spotted dog).  

I asked her if she know how many spots were on her dog.  She didn't know.
If it was my dog, I would  know.

Indifference is rife!

Max
Ps. Good job its Friday...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 14 August 2009 19:37
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

Ratios definitely play a part.  Different cultures define pretty and
handsome differently.  As the world cultures blend, those differences
modulate, but they're still there.  And if you think all kittens look
the same, consider the Cornish Rex vis-a-vis the munchkin.

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Friday OT: 10 ways to indicate you are a geek

>>look beautiful and the other ones ugly

Well, that very much depend on "the eye of the beholder".  One man's
meat is another man's poison.

What some person might find attractive, others may not.

But, that said, we could all, probably, find consensus in saying "She is
pretty" or "he is handsome".  

We all have a built in "idea" of what constitutes Good Looks. I am sure
Ratios play a part in that.

Can this "feeling" be measured/quantified?   

Probably not, but that is not to say that there is not some academic
somewhere in the World obtaining a grant from Max Factor or similar to
try to find out.

It probably has a lot to do with early development of course, whereby
the baby is used to seeing facial features of those around him/her and
find difficulty later in life when they encounter people of different
races and cultures - particularly those with dissimilar facial features.
But once we have been around these different people for a long time, we
start to subtly notice and differentiate between the facial features.  

Do all kittens look the same. Yes, unless they are yours and then you
know the difference.

Max



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 14 14:49:19 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:49:19 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C937A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>	<00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>,
	<4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06BE@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C937A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4A85BFBF.6090501@colbyconsulting.com>

I have always wondered about the dropping the "the" in front of hospital in Britain.

He went to Hospital.

Do you do the same with other location nouns?  I went to Hotel, or I went to train station or I went 
to store, or even I went to Doctor?

We do that for school, not sure why there either.

In the US we pretty much always place "the" in front of locations.  I went to the hospital, or I 
went to the doctor.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Martin Reid wrote:
> Actually I had to go to Hospital with my wife while over at Rockys. Outstanding care in a private hospital she received there. No waiting at all. 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert [Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com]
> Sent: 14 August 2009 20:08
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
> 
> Here in the USA, a coupe of years ago my wife broke her ankle and dislocated a finger in a trip and fall accident. We have insurance, we went to the local hospital (6 blocks away) and waited hours and hours for treatment. The only prompt service was when a nurse called a fire department to come cut off my wife's ring which was in danger of cutting off the blood supply due to swelling. After that five minute 'operation' is was back to waiting and waiting...
> 
> Don't talk to me about private medicine. Legalize extortion.
> 
> Lambert


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 15:01:41 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:01:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4A85BFBF.6090501@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>	<4A859C9E.3080901@colbyconsulting.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>	<00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>,
	<4a85a909.0a04d00a.4270.4b58@mx.google.com>	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C9379@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06BE@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502A89C937A@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
	<4A85BFBF.6090501@colbyconsulting.com>
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It is not "the" that is being dropped.  It is "a".
We went to a hospital. But if there is only one in the "hood" then just
hospital will suffice. Don't need "The" there is only one! Or if two, then
which one doesn't matter.

We went to store - nope, too many stores.  We went to a store or The store
if it has a rep and the person you are talking to know what store you mean,
as in .."that man"...

I went to bed.  I went to a bed.  I went to the bed. All can have different
information embedded in them.

Zsa Zsa Gabor was asked "How many husbands have you had" and the replied "Do
you mean mine or other peoples?"

Choose your question carefully.

BTW = This should be on OT

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 14 August 2009 20:49
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

I have always wondered about the dropping the "the" in front of hospital in
Britain.

He went to Hospital.

Do you do the same with other location nouns?  I went to Hotel, or I went to
train station or I went 
to store, or even I went to Doctor?

We do that for school, not sure why there either.

In the US we pretty much always place "the" in front of locations.  I went
to the hospital, or I 
went to the doctor.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Martin Reid wrote:
> Actually I had to go to Hospital with my wife while over at Rockys.
Outstanding care in a private hospital she received there. No waiting at
all. 
> 
> Martin
> 
> 
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
[Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com]
> Sent: 14 August 2009 20:08
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
> 
> Here in the USA, a coupe of years ago my wife broke her ankle and
dislocated a finger in a trip and fall accident. We have insurance, we went
to the local hospital (6 blocks away) and waited hours and hours for
treatment. The only prompt service was when a nurse called a fire department
to come cut off my wife's ring which was in danger of cutting off the blood
supply due to swelling. After that five minute 'operation' is was back to
waiting and waiting...
> 
> Don't talk to me about private medicine. Legalize extortion.
> 
> Lambert
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Aug 14 15:05:18 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:05:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <BEFDCA0776BB45C6A9B665416EC3F4BC@reubennx9500>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<BEFDCA0776BB45C6A9B665416EC3F4BC@reubennx9500>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D5@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

I've read reports that Environ is considered insecure by later versions of Access/Office (because what it returns can be manipulated by intruders), but the API is trusted. 

Also some shops do not actually set the  'COMPUTERNAME" and/or "USERNAME" environment variables, so Environ will return nothing.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Is there an advantage to the API over the environ function?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> 
> Use the API...
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
>     "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As
> Long) As Long
> 
> 
> 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of an 
> application.
> 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the copyright 
> notice is left unchanged.
> '
> 'Code courtesy of
> 'Dev Ashish
> Function fOSMachineName() As String
> 'Returns the computername
> Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> Dim strCompName As String
>     lngLen = 16
>     strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
>     lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
>     If lngX <> 0 Then
>         fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
>     Else
>         fOSMachineName = ""
>     End If
> End Function
> 
> '******************** Code End **************************
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Reuben,
> 
> With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
> Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben 
> Cummings
> Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running 
> a function.
> 
> Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista? 
>  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 15:13:04 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:13:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D5@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<BEFDCA0776BB45C6A9B665416EC3F4BC@reubennx9500>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D5@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
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Hmm, not heard that Lambert, but you can always set your own environment
variables on boot up.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 21:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

I've read reports that Environ is considered insecure by later versions of
Access/Office (because what it returns can be manipulated by intruders), but
the API is trusted. 

Also some shops do not actually set the  'COMPUTERNAME" and/or "USERNAME"
environment variables, so Environ will return nothing.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Is there an advantage to the API over the environ function?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> 
> Use the API...
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
>     "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As
> Long) As Long
> 
> 
> 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of an 
> application.
> 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the copyright 
> notice is left unchanged.
> '
> 'Code courtesy of
> 'Dev Ashish
> Function fOSMachineName() As String
> 'Returns the computername
> Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> Dim strCompName As String
>     lngLen = 16
>     strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
>     lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
>     If lngX <> 0 Then
>         fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
>     Else
>         fOSMachineName = ""
>     End If
> End Function
> 
> '******************** Code End **************************
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Reuben,
> 
> With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
> Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben 
> Cummings
> Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running 
> a function.
> 
> Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista? 
>  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 
> 
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From krosenstiel at comcast.net  Fri Aug 14 15:19:43 2009
From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (Karen Rosenstiel)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:19:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
In-Reply-To: <002501ca1d0a$d389eab0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
References: <7c7841600908131051p6e6780c7i1eabbf1d14d8d99b@mail.gmail.com><007201ca1c8d$d04dda50$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS><7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE4A3@sanex101.nciinc.com><4dd71a0c0908140630r65f3234i72f8364466dfcc9e@mail.gmail.com>
	<002501ca1d0a$d389eab0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
Message-ID: <B0532DD1C8514D8591124696E19BD05A@bigmama>

Present company excepted?


Regards,

Karen Rosenstiel
Seattle WA USA 
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Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 11:13 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin

"Web programming is far from perfect. It's downright kludgy. It's true that
any J. Random Coder can plop out a terrible web application, and 99% of web
applications are absolute crap."

Bingo. How long will it take to get that number down to 50% ?

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> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:31 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Zoho Access Migration Plugin
>
> http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001296.html
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Aug 14 15:28:12 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:28:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4a85c5a1.0a1ad00a.7641.ffffd9f5@mx.google.com>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<BEFDCA0776BB45C6A9B665416EC3F4BC@reubennx9500>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D5@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4a85c5a1.0a1ad00a.7641.ffffd9f5@mx.google.com>
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That's the point (the first one): someone else can alter your environment variables at boot up, and then the cat is out of the bag.

As for the second point: if you use the API to get user name and computer name then the environment variables are irrelevant. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Hmm, not heard that Lambert, but you can always set your own environment variables on boot up.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 21:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

I've read reports that Environ is considered insecure by later versions of Access/Office (because what it returns can be manipulated by intruders), but the API is trusted. 

Also some shops do not actually set the  'COMPUTERNAME" and/or "USERNAME"
environment variables, so Environ will return nothing.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Is there an advantage to the API over the environ function?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> 
> Use the API...
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
>     "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As
> Long) As Long
> 
> 
> 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of an 
> application.
> 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the copyright 
> notice is left unchanged.
> '
> 'Code courtesy of
> 'Dev Ashish
> Function fOSMachineName() As String
> 'Returns the computername
> Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> Dim strCompName As String
>     lngLen = 16
>     strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
>     lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
>     If lngX <> 0 Then
>         fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
>     Else
>         fOSMachineName = ""
>     End If
> End Function
> 
> '******************** Code End **************************
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Reuben,
> 
> With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
> Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben 
> Cummings
> Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running 
> a function.
> 
> Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista? 
>  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 15:43:49 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:43:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D9@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<BEFDCA0776BB45C6A9B665416EC3F4BC@reubennx9500>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D5@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4a85c5a1.0a1ad00a.7641.ffffd9f5@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D9@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4a85ccd9.0506d00a.7901.3545@mx.google.com>

Hi Lambert,
Of course, you are correct, but you could also pick it up from the Registry.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\12.0\Registration\
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Authentication\
LogonUI

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Reliability
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ActiveComputerN
ame
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ComputerName



The above are just some of the entries. 

Access give you the opportunity t write to the registry and also to read
from it.

Alternative, that's all.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 21:28
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

That's the point (the first one): someone else can alter your environment
variables at boot up, and then the cat is out of the bag.

As for the second point: if you use the API to get user name and computer
name then the environment variables are irrelevant. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Hmm, not heard that Lambert, but you can always set your own environment
variables on boot up.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 21:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

I've read reports that Environ is considered insecure by later versions of
Access/Office (because what it returns can be manipulated by intruders), but
the API is trusted. 

Also some shops do not actually set the  'COMPUTERNAME" and/or "USERNAME"
environment variables, so Environ will return nothing.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Is there an advantage to the API over the environ function?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> 
> Use the API...
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
>     "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As
> Long) As Long
> 
> 
> 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of an 
> application.
> 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the copyright 
> notice is left unchanged.
> '
> 'Code courtesy of
> 'Dev Ashish
> Function fOSMachineName() As String
> 'Returns the computername
> Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> Dim strCompName As String
>     lngLen = 16
>     strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
>     lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
>     If lngX <> 0 Then
>         fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
>     Else
>         fOSMachineName = ""
>     End If
> End Function
> 
> '******************** Code End **************************
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Reuben,
> 
> With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
> Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben 
> Cummings
> Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running 
> a function.
> 
> Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista? 
>  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 
> 
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Aug 14 15:56:46 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:56:46 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4a85ccd9.0506d00a.7901.3545@mx.google.com>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<BEFDCA0776BB45C6A9B665416EC3F4BC@reubennx9500>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D5@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
	<4a85c5a1.0a1ad00a.7641.ffffd9f5@mx.google.com>
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And you'll need an API for that too. GetSetting/SaveSetting only accesses the VBA area of the registry (HKCU\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings).

Nothing wrong with alternatives of course.

Lambert

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Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Hi Lambert,
Of course, you are correct, but you could also pick it up from the Registry.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\12.0\Registration\
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Authentication\
LogonUI

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Reliability
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ActiveComputerN
ame
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ComputerName



The above are just some of the entries. 

Access give you the opportunity t write to the registry and also to read from it.

Alternative, that's all.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 21:28
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

That's the point (the first one): someone else can alter your environment variables at boot up, and then the cat is out of the bag.

As for the second point: if you use the API to get user name and computer name then the environment variables are irrelevant. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Hmm, not heard that Lambert, but you can always set your own environment variables on boot up.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 21:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

I've read reports that Environ is considered insecure by later versions of Access/Office (because what it returns can be manipulated by intruders), but the API is trusted. 

Also some shops do not actually set the  'COMPUTERNAME" and/or "USERNAME"
environment variables, so Environ will return nothing.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Is there an advantage to the API over the environ function?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> 
> Use the API...
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
>     "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As
> Long) As Long
> 
> 
> 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of an 
> application.
> 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the copyright 
> notice is left unchanged.
> '
> 'Code courtesy of
> 'Dev Ashish
> Function fOSMachineName() As String
> 'Returns the computername
> Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> Dim strCompName As String
>     lngLen = 16
>     strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
>     lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
>     If lngX <> 0 Then
>         fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
>     Else
>         fOSMachineName = ""
>     End If
> End Function
> 
> '******************** Code End **************************
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Reuben,
> 
> With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
> Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben 
> Cummings
> Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running 
> a function.
> 
> Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista? 
>  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug 14 16:31:45 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:31:45 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A85D7C1.27313.D6CF3F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You bin lurking on the OT List, haven't you!

-- 
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On 14 Aug 2009 at 13:37, jwcolby wrote:

> Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the uninsured into the 
> medical system.
> 
> ;)
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> > You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because  the USA had way more nukes than GB.
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
> > 
> >  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
> > 
> > Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
> > 
> > <ducks and runs>
> > 
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> > 
> > 
> > Max Wanadoo wrote:
> >> AAAHH..
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >>
> >> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
> >>
> >>
> >> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>  article...
> >>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 14 16:51:59 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:51:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4A85D7C1.27313.D6CF3F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A85D7C1.27313.D6CF3F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4A85DC7F.9020505@colbyconsulting.com>

I don't dare sign up for OT.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> You bin lurking on the OT List, haven't you!
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 03:35:25 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:35:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <4A85DC7F.9020505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4a859354.0707d00a.7b71.ffffe017@mx.google.com>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE069D@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A85A0F2.70902@colbyconsulting.com>	<4A85D7C1.27313.D6CF3F5@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4A85DC7F.9020505@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a86736c.0a04d00a.4229.3d1e@mx.google.com>

Quite Right Too.

The last thing we need on OT are strong opinionated people.  Stay where you
are...

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 14 August 2009 22:52
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

I don't dare sign up for OT.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Stuart McLachlan wrote:
> You bin lurking on the OT List, haven't you!
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 03:35:25 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:35:25 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06E8@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<BEFDCA0776BB45C6A9B665416EC3F4BC@reubennx9500>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D5@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4a85c5a1.0a1ad00a.7641.ffffd9f5@mx.google.com>	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06D9@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>	<4a85ccd9.0506d00a.7901.3545@mx.google.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06E8@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
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IIRC, it is built into Access.

No API necessary
Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 21:57
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

And you'll need an API for that too. GetSetting/SaveSetting only accesses
the VBA area of the registry (HKCU\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings).

Nothing wrong with alternatives of course.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:44 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Hi Lambert,
Of course, you are correct, but you could also pick it up from the Registry.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\12.0\Registration\
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Authentication\
LogonUI

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Reliability
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ActiveComputerN
ame
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ComputerName



The above are just some of the entries. 

Access give you the opportunity t write to the registry and also to read
from it.

Alternative, that's all.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 21:28
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

That's the point (the first one): someone else can alter your environment
variables at boot up, and then the cat is out of the bag.

As for the second point: if you use the API to get user name and computer
name then the environment variables are irrelevant. 

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:13 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Hmm, not heard that Lambert, but you can always set your own environment
variables on boot up.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: 14 August 2009 21:05
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

I've read reports that Environ is considered insecure by later versions of
Access/Office (because what it returns can be manipulated by intruders), but
the API is trusted. 

Also some shops do not actually set the  'COMPUTERNAME" and/or "USERNAME"
environment variables, so Environ will return nothing.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:18 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Is there an advantage to the API over the environ function?

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> Lambert
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> 
> Use the API...
> 
> 
> Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
>     "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As
> Long) As Long
> 
> 
> 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of an 
> application.
> 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the copyright 
> notice is left unchanged.
> '
> 'Code courtesy of
> 'Dev Ashish
> Function fOSMachineName() As String
> 'Returns the computername
> Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> Dim strCompName As String
>     lngLen = 16
>     strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
>     lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
>     If lngX <> 0 Then
>         fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
>     Else
>         fOSMachineName = ""
>     End If
> End Function
> 
> '******************** Code End **************************
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Reuben,
> 
> With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
> Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben 
> Cummings
> Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
> To: AccessD
> Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running 
> a function.
> 
> Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista? 
>  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug 15 04:11:14 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:11:14 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4a86736b.0a04d00a.4229.3d1a@mx.google.com>
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	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06E8@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4a86736b.0a04d00a.4229.3d1a@mx.google.com>
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Any idea where? I've never come across it. (I always use an API call)

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On 15 Aug 2009 at 9:35, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> IIRC, it is built into Access.
> 
> No API necessary
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 14 August 2009 21:57
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> And you'll need an API for that too. GetSetting/SaveSetting only accesses
> the VBA area of the registry (HKCU\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings).
> 
> Nothing wrong with alternatives of course.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Hi Lambert,
> Of course, you are correct, but you could also pick it up from the Registry.
> 
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\12.0\Registration\
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Authentication\
> LogonUI
> 
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Reliability
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ActiveComputerN
> ame
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ComputerName
> 
> 
> 
> The above are just some of the entries. 
> 
> Access give you the opportunity t write to the registry and also to read
> from it.
> 
> Alternative, that's all.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 14 August 2009 21:28
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> That's the point (the first one): someone else can alter your environment
> variables at boot up, and then the cat is out of the bag.
> 
> As for the second point: if you use the API to get user name and computer
> name then the environment variables are irrelevant. 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Hmm, not heard that Lambert, but you can always set your own environment
> variables on boot up.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 14 August 2009 21:05
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> I've read reports that Environ is considered insecure by later versions of
> Access/Office (because what it returns can be manipulated by intruders), but
> the API is trusted. 
> 
> Also some shops do not actually set the  'COMPUTERNAME" and/or "USERNAME"
> environment variables, so Environ will return nothing.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Is there an advantage to the API over the environ function?
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> > Lambert
> > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> > 
> > 
> > Use the API...
> > 
> > 
> > Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
> >     "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As
> > Long) As Long
> > 
> > 
> > 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> > 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of an 
> > application.
> > 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the copyright 
> > notice is left unchanged.
> > '
> > 'Code courtesy of
> > 'Dev Ashish
> > Function fOSMachineName() As String
> > 'Returns the computername
> > Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> > Dim strCompName As String
> >     lngLen = 16
> >     strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
> >     lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
> >     If lngX <> 0 Then
> >         fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
> >     Else
> >         fOSMachineName = ""
> >     End If
> > End Function
> > 
> > '******************** Code End **************************
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> > 
> > Reuben,
> > 
> > With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
> > Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben 
> > Cummings
> > Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> > 
> > I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running 
> > a function.
> > 
> > Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista? 
> >  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Reuben Cummings
> > GFC, LLC
> > 812.523.1017
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 05:33:35 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:33:35 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06E8@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4a86736b.0a04d00a.4229.3d1a@mx.google.com>
	<4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a868f2c.1c07d00a.0cb6.ffffdfe3@mx.google.com>

Stuart:
I cannot find it right now, but I did come across this in some of my ancient
code and it seems to work (slightly changed for sending here).  There is
also a GetAllSettings.

I may be thinking of this.  In which case, when do the Application
Installation, set the Computer Name and 
then you can always check to see if it has changed each time you boot. 

I will continue looking, if I find it I will post it.

Max


Function xxxxx()
'GetSetting Function Example
'This example first uses the SaveSetting statement to make entries in the
Windows registry
'(or .ini file on 16-bit Windows platforms) for the application specified as
appname,
'and then uses the GetSetting function to display one of the settings.
'Because the default argument is specified, some value is guaranteed to be
returned.
'Note that section names can't be retrieved with GetSetting. Finally, the
DeleteSetting statement
'removes all the application's entries.

' Variant to hold 2-dimensional array returned by GetSetting.
Dim MySettings As Variant
' Place some settings in the registry.
SaveSetting "Max's Application", "Startup", "Top", 75
SaveSetting "Max's Application", "Startup", "Left", 50
SaveSetting "Max's Application", "Platform", "ComputerName",
Environ("Computername") '"Left", 50

Debug.Print GetSetting(appname:="Max's Application", Section:="Platform",
key:="ComputerName", Default:="NotHeld")

' The registry will hold these settings.
' HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-2317311743-3275204689-2861515661-1000\Software\VB and
VBA Program Settings\Max's Application\Platform
' HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-2317311743-3275204689-2861515661-1000\Software\VB and
VBA Program Settings\Max's Application\Startup

DeleteSetting "Max's Application", "Startup"
DeleteSetting "Max's Application", "Platform"

End Function



From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Sat Aug 15 22:10:48 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:10:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
In-Reply-To: <00f601ca1d08$51ef46a0$f5cdd3e0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA33930D@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

Australia's isn't too bad... not perfect by any means, but it is pretty good.

We also have private health insurance which many folks also have - there are advantages to this, but our medicare system will at least keep you most alive for free.

usual caveats apply.

cheers
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, 15 August 2009 3:55 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule


>> the cost of integrating all the uninsured
>> into the  medical system."
I have heard UK has a satisfactory free medical care system.

True/False - Max?

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-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 9:38 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule

Naww... the only thing holding them back is the cost of integrating all the
uninsured into the
medical system.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> You have a point there, but good old GB held back on re-colonizing the
Americas, probably because it would be too expensive, or perhaps because
the USA had way more nukes than GB.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:19 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: UK imposes Turks and Caicos rule
>
>  >It also concluded there were "clear signs of political amorality and
immaturity and of a general administrative incompetence".
>
> Uhhh... wasn't that the last Bush administration?
>
> <ducks and runs>
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> AAAHH..
>>
>>
>>
>> Good to see the good 'ol British Empire is still as good as ever.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Britain imposes direct rule on the Turks and Caicos Islands after an
inquiry found evidence of government corruption and incompetence.
>>
>>
>> View <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/uk_politics/8202339.stm>
article...
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 03:29:09 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:29:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06E8@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4a86736b.0a04d00a.4229.3d1a@mx.google.com>
	<4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Stuart:

Was that code I posted yesterday received for the GetSetting Function?

It was held by moderator for being too large but I don't know if was
eventually released.

The size restriction is very low. Is it not possible to make it somewhat
larger, maybe double or triple.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 15 August 2009 10:11
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Any idea where? I've never come across it. (I always use an API call)

-- 
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On 15 Aug 2009 at 9:35, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> IIRC, it is built into Access.
> 
> No API necessary
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 14 August 2009 21:57
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> And you'll need an API for that too. GetSetting/SaveSetting only accesses
> the VBA area of the registry (HKCU\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings).
> 
> Nothing wrong with alternatives of course.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:44 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Hi Lambert,
> Of course, you are correct, but you could also pick it up from the
Registry.
> 
> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Office\12.0\Registration\
>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Authentication\
> LogonUI
> 
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Reliability
>
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ActiveComputerN
> ame
> HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\ComputerName\ComputerName
> 
> 
> 
> The above are just some of the entries. 
> 
> Access give you the opportunity t write to the registry and also to read
> from it.
> 
> Alternative, that's all.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 14 August 2009 21:28
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> That's the point (the first one): someone else can alter your environment
> variables at boot up, and then the cat is out of the bag.
> 
> As for the second point: if you use the API to get user name and computer
> name then the environment variables are irrelevant. 
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 4:13 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Hmm, not heard that Lambert, but you can always set your own environment
> variables on boot up.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
> Sent: 14 August 2009 21:05
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> I've read reports that Environ is considered insecure by later versions of
> Access/Office (because what it returns can be manipulated by intruders),
but
> the API is trusted. 
> 
> Also some shops do not actually set the  'COMPUTERNAME" and/or "USERNAME"
> environment variables, so Environ will return nothing.
> 
> Lambert
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben Cummings
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:18 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Is there an advantage to the API over the environ function?
> 
> Reuben Cummings
> GFC, LLC
> 812.523.1017
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, 
> > Lambert
> > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 3:11 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> > 
> > 
> > Use the API...
> > 
> > 
> > Private Declare Function apiGetComputerName Lib "kernel32" Alias _
> >     "GetComputerNameA" (ByVal lpBuffer As String, nSize As
> > Long) As Long
> > 
> > 
> > 'This code was originally written by Dev Ashish.
> > 'It is not to be altered or distributed, 'except as part of an 
> > application.
> > 'You are free to use it in any application, 'provided the copyright 
> > notice is left unchanged.
> > '
> > 'Code courtesy of
> > 'Dev Ashish
> > Function fOSMachineName() As String
> > 'Returns the computername
> > Dim lngLen As Long, lngX As Long
> > Dim strCompName As String
> >     lngLen = 16
> >     strCompName = String$(lngLen, 0)
> >     lngX = apiGetComputerName(strCompName, lngLen)
> >     If lngX <> 0 Then
> >         fOSMachineName = left$(strCompName, lngLen)
> >     Else
> >         fOSMachineName = ""
> >     End If
> > End Function
> > 
> > '******************** Code End **************************
> > 
> > Lambert
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> > Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 2:58 PM
> > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> > 
> > Reuben,
> > 
> > With A2003 running on vista Home Edition on PC running OS of x64, the
> > Environ("ComputerName") returns the computer name
> > 
> > Max
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Reuben 
> > Cummings
> > Sent: 14 August 2009 19:49
> > To: AccessD
> > Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> > 
> > I need to retrieve the computer name of the computer currently running 
> > a function.
> > 
> > Using A2k...will Environ("ComputerName") still work in Vista? 
> >  I don't have a Vista computer to test it.
> > 
> > Thanks.
> > 
> > Reuben Cummings
> > GFC, LLC
> > 812.523.1017
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 03:31:53 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:31:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06E8@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4a86736b.0a04d00a.4229.3d1a@mx.google.com>
	<4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Stuart:

Was that code I posted yesterday received for the GetSetting Function?

It was held by moderator for being too large but I don't know if was
eventually released.

The size restriction is very low. Is it not possible to make it somewhat
larger, maybe double or triple.

Max



From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 16 03:56:06 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:56:06 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4a87c420.1c07d00a.4083.3c5f@mx.google.com>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a87c420.1c07d00a.4083.3c5f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yes it came through  - but I never use the registry to store settings.  It stops the application 
from being portable.

On 16 Aug 2009 at 9:31, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Stuart:
> 
> Was that code I posted yesterday received for the GetSetting Function?
> 
> It was held by moderator for being too large but I don't know if was
> eventually released.
> 
> The size restriction is very low. Is it not possible to make it somewhat
> larger, maybe double or triple.
> 
> Max
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 04:13:32 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:13:32 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a87c420.1c07d00a.4083.3c5f@mx.google.com>
	<4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a87cde7.0707d00a.7b78.2a2c@mx.google.com>

I have a feeling, that that was what was at the back of my mind re "the
built in function" or it may have been something from Gertz or whatever
their names were, way back.  Certainly, over 10 years ago.

If I come across anything else, I will post it.

What do you think of this size restriction?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 16 August 2009 09:56
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Yes it came through  - but I never use the registry to store settings.  It
stops the application 
from being portable.

On 16 Aug 2009 at 9:31, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> Stuart:
> 
> Was that code I posted yesterday received for the GetSetting Function?
> 
> It was held by moderator for being too large but I don't know if was
> eventually released.
> 
> The size restriction is very low. Is it not possible to make it somewhat
> larger, maybe double or triple.
> 
> Max
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 16 04:49:18 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:49:18 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4a87cde7.0707d00a.7b78.2a2c@mx.google.com>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a87cde7.0707d00a.7b78.2a2c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A87D61E.15889.50F31A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I think it's a great idea.  It encourages people to trim their replies of all the extraneous 
repetions of previous messages and footers.

On 16 Aug 2009 at 10:13, Max Wanadoo wrote:
...
> 
> What do you think of this size restriction?
> 
> Max
> 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 05:15:43 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:15:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Posting Size Restrictions
In-Reply-To: <4A87D61E.15889.50F31A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a87cde7.0707d00a.7b78.2a2c@mx.google.com>
	<4A87D61E.15889.50F31A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a87dc78.0506d00a.6c7f.ffffe894@mx.google.com>

Yes, from that side I agree.
But what about when trying to post code?
Max




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Sun Aug 16 06:39:44 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:39:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Posting Size Restrictions
In-Reply-To: <4a87dc78.0506d00a.6c7f.ffffe894@mx.google.com>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a87cde7.0707d00a.7b78.2a2c@mx.google.com><4A87D61E.15889.50F31A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4a87dc78.0506d00a.6c7f.ffffe894@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202E88BAF@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Switch your posts to plain text before you send them, that's a LOT of
characters to reach the size limit!

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:16 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Posting Size Restrictions

Yes, from that side I agree.
But what about when trying to post code?
Max


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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 07:33:26 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:33:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
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	<4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
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Well, not if the application itself writes the settings to begin with.

Susan H.



> Yes it came through  - but I never use the registry to store settings.  It 
> stops the application
> from being portable.



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 08:04:59 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:04:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <E050F49098784C6D85DB9DC60CDF2BD3@SusanOne>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a87c420.1c07d00a.4083.3c5f@mx.google.com>	<4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E050F49098784C6D85DB9DC60CDF2BD3@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4a880428.0508d00a.7593.ffffa85b@mx.google.com>

Good point!

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 16 August 2009 13:33
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Well, not if the application itself writes the settings to begin with.

Susan H.



> Yes it came through  - but I never use the registry to store settings.  It

> stops the application
> from being portable.

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 08:04:59 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:04:59 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] References
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202E88BAF@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a87cde7.0707d00a.7b78.2a2c@mx.google.com><4A87D61E.15889.50F31A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a87dc78.0506d00a.6c7f.ffffe894@mx.google.com>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202E88BAF@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <4a880426.0508d00a.7593.ffffa858@mx.google.com>

I still haven't seen the code for References.
It was about storing and checking References in an application

Max




From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 08:07:13 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:07:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <E050F49098784C6D85DB9DC60CDF2BD3@SusanOne>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a87c420.1c07d00a.4083.3c5f@mx.google.com>	<4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<E050F49098784C6D85DB9DC60CDF2BD3@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4a8804af.0506d00a.6c7f.327c@mx.google.com>

...and if that is still considered insecure, you could always write it to
your own defined property in the BE which is completely invisible to the
user.  I stick all sorts of license stuff in user-defined-properties in the
BE. You can log people in/out. Count how many concurrent users there are,
what ever you want.



Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 16 August 2009 13:33
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Well, not if the application itself writes the settings to begin with.

Susan H.



> Yes it came through  - but I never use the registry to store settings.  It

> stops the application
> from being portable.

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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 16 08:46:48 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:46:48 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <E050F49098784C6D85DB9DC60CDF2BD3@SusanOne>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<E050F49098784C6D85DB9DC60CDF2BD3@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4A880DC8.22251.5E89F78@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Only if it's somethiing that the application can write without any interaction with a user.

In which case it is something known to the application so can it either be retrieved on 
demand or be stored with the application just as easily.


On 16 Aug 2009 at 8:33, Susan Harkins wrote:

> Well, not if the application itself writes the settings to begin with.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Yes it came through  - but I never use the registry to store settings.  It 
> > stops the application
> > from being portable.
> 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 16 08:51:24 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:51:24 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4a8804af.0506d00a.6c7f.327c@mx.google.com>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<E050F49098784C6D85DB9DC60CDF2BD3@SusanOne>,
	<4a8804af.0506d00a.6c7f.327c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A880EDC.14345.5ECD5D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Exactly - and if it is in the  BE and you have automatic relinking code, you can pick the 
application up and move it to another machine with no problems.

I have never come across a situation where a registry entry is preferable to storing data 
locally with the application - The same goes for using the AppData  path - it just makes it 
harder to backup or move an application.  

-- 
Stuart

On 16 Aug 2009 at 14:07, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> ...and if that is still considered insecure, you could always write it to
> your own defined property in the BE which is completely invisible to the
> user.  I stick all sorts of license stuff in user-defined-properties in the
> BE. You can log people in/out. Count how many concurrent users there are,
> what ever you want.
> 
> 
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 16 August 2009 13:33
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Well, not if the application itself writes the settings to begin with.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Yes it came through  - but I never use the registry to store settings.  It
> 
> > stops the application
> > from being portable.
> 
> -- 
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 16 08:56:34 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 06:56:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
Message-ID: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I am exporting a bill of materials to a spreadsheet from an access database.
The file name on the spreadsheet is the part number the user selects plus
some other stuff.

Before I create it I issue a Kill:

Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM
Export.XLS"

If the file is not there it generates an error of course, file not found.

Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:

On Error Resume Next
Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM
Export.XLS"
On Error GoTo 0


MTIA,

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 09:06:14 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:06:14 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4A880EDC.14345.5ECD5D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<E050F49098784C6D85DB9DC60CDF2BD3@SusanOne>,
	<4a8804af.0506d00a.6c7f.327c@mx.google.com>
	<4A880EDC.14345.5ECD5D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a881283.1c05d00a.31b3.ffffcb24@mx.google.com>

UDP = User Defined Properties.


But if  you DIDN'T want it to be moved (ie, stolen) you can check that the
values in the Registry (as set by you on installation) are still the same as
those in the UDP on the BE (as set by you on installation).

If somebody picks the BE up and moves it to another PC with a different set
of matching registry/UDP keys, then you can trap this and take whatever
action you deem fit.

On the FE too, of course.  No limit to what you can put into the Registry on
the UDP on the FE/BE for all sorts of purposes.

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 16 August 2009 14:51
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Exactly - and if it is in the  BE and you have automatic relinking code, you
can pick the 
application up and move it to another machine with no problems.

I have never come across a situation where a registry entry is preferable to
storing data 
locally with the application - The same goes for using the AppData  path -
it just makes it 
harder to backup or move an application.  

-- 
Stuart

On 16 Aug 2009 at 14:07, Max Wanadoo wrote:

> ...and if that is still considered insecure, you could always write it to
> your own defined property in the BE which is completely invisible to the
> user.  I stick all sorts of license stuff in user-defined-properties in
the
> BE. You can log people in/out. Count how many concurrent users there are,
> what ever you want.
> 
> 
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 16 August 2009 13:33
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
> 
> Well, not if the application itself writes the settings to begin with.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
> > Yes it came through  - but I never use the registry to store settings.
It
> 
> > stops the application
> > from being portable.
> 
> -- 
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 09:09:34 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:09:34 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4a88134b.0508d00a.38aa.ffff9bbf@mx.google.com>

I do that all the time ~Rocky.

But normally, on error goto errhandler after the kill code - same thing
though.



Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 16 August 2009 14:57
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing

Dear List:

I am exporting a bill of materials to a spreadsheet from an access database.
The file name on the spreadsheet is the part number the user selects plus
some other stuff.

Before I create it I issue a Kill:

Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM
Export.XLS"

If the file is not there it generates an error of course, file not found.

Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:

On Error Resume Next
Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM
Export.XLS"
On Error GoTo 0


MTIA,

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 




From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 09:17:22 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:17:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<E050F49098784C6D85DB9DC60CDF2BD3@SusanOne>,
	<4a8804af.0506d00a.6c7f.327c@mx.google.com>
	<4A880EDC.14345.5ECD5D3@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <DA081DE88B8B4839AD18C5CA5C7FD0C7@SusanOne>



> Exactly - and if it is in the  BE and you have automatic relinking code, 
> you can pick the
> application up and move it to another machine with no problems.
>
> I have never come across a situation where a registry entry is preferable 
> to storing data
> locally with the application - The same goes for using the AppData  path - 
> it just makes it
> harder to backup or move an application.

=====It's just one of many ways to allow users to customize their 
environment. You could use a table in the front end to store those settings, 
but you'd have to consider that when deploying a new version. I suppose it 
isn't a big deal to force all the users to reset those types of features if 
you have to deploy a new front end to everybody.

Susan H. 



From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 09:19:13 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:19:13 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <CACFA340F877459E952C5323DFA2EBC4@SusanOne>

Not as far as I'm concerned. I think, if you can route out the error another 
way, you should, but this quick fix is acceptable, especially if the 
alternative is lengthy. I use it occasionally.

Susan H.


> Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:
>
> On Error Resume Next
> Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - 
> BOM
> Export.XLS"
> On Error GoTo 0



From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sun Aug 16 09:31:12 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 10:31:12 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>
	<CACFA340F877459E952C5323DFA2EBC4@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <CA1BA9858E984BADA2326611EBADD66E@Mattys>

Hi Rocky,

Try this: (Aircode)

Dim FileSize As Long
FileSize = FileLen(gstrBackEndPath & 
Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -  BOM")
If FileSize>0 Then
    Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - 
BOM"
End If

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing


> Not as far as I'm concerned. I think, if you can route out the error 
> another
> way, you should, but this quick fix is acceptable, especially if the
> alternative is lengthy. I use it occasionally.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:
>>
>> On Error Resume Next
>> Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -
>> BOM
>> Export.XLS"
>> On Error GoTo 0
>
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 09:52:04 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:52:04 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <CA1BA9858E984BADA2326611EBADD66E@Mattys>
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>	<CACFA340F877459E952C5323DFA2EBC4@SusanOne>
	<CA1BA9858E984BADA2326611EBADD66E@Mattys>
Message-ID: <4a881d40.0a1ad00a.7641.377f@mx.google.com>

Not necessary to test for file size or do a DIR() or any of the other
cumbersome ways.

Simple code is always best.

1. Kill it.
2, If it isn't there, trap the error and move on.
3. If it is there, it gets killed. 
4. Either way we move on.

Simple, elegant, efficient and within the design parameters of MS Access.
Oh, and easily understood with subsequent reading without the need to write
explanatory notes.

IMO of course.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: 16 August 2009 15:31
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing

Hi Rocky,

Try this: (Aircode)

Dim FileSize As Long
FileSize = FileLen(gstrBackEndPath & 
Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -  BOM")
If FileSize>0 Then
    Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -

BOM"
End If

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing


> Not as far as I'm concerned. I think, if you can route out the error 
> another
> way, you should, but this quick fix is acceptable, especially if the
> alternative is lengthy. I use it occasionally.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:
>>
>> On Error Resume Next
>> Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -
>> BOM
>> Export.XLS"
>> On Error GoTo 0
>
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 16 10:19:47 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:19:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <CA1BA9858E984BADA2326611EBADD66E@Mattys>
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005><CACFA340F877459E952C5323DFA2EBC4@SusanOne>
	<CA1BA9858E984BADA2326611EBADD66E@Mattys>
Message-ID: <873E019036AD482DB8626DE9C8ADB8FB@HAL9005>

Now I've got a problem with the KILL statement which works in the mdb but
not in the mde.  I think I need a reinstall of Office.  

But I did find out that if you try to do a:

Set objXLBook = objXLApp.Workbooks.Add
objXLBook.SaveAs gstrBackEndPath &
Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM Export.XLS"

And the file's already there, Excel produces a nice message telling you that
the file's already there, do you want to overwrite it?

So I can actually comment out the KILL and let Access and Excel take care of
business.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:31 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing

Hi Rocky,

Try this: (Aircode)

Dim FileSize As Long
FileSize = FileLen(gstrBackEndPath &
Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -  BOM") If FileSize>0 Then
    Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -
BOM"
End If

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Susan Harkins" <ssharkins at gmail.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing


> Not as far as I'm concerned. I think, if you can route out the error 
> another
> way, you should, but this quick fix is acceptable, especially if the
> alternative is lengthy. I use it occasionally.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>> Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:
>>
>> On Error Resume Next
>> Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -
>> BOM
>> Export.XLS"
>> On Error GoTo 0
>
> -- 
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> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 

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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Sun Aug 16 10:24:11 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:24:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>	<CACFA340F877459E952C5323DFA2EBC4@SusanOne><CA1BA9858E984BADA2326611EBADD66E@Mattys>
	<4a881d40.0a1ad00a.7641.377f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9DDA177BA2DE4A309CD58D2B6220F0D1@Mattys>

Hi Max,

I agree. There are plenty of ways to accomplish whatever
you're programming and using errors to your advantage
is just plain creative. It all depends upon what you're doing ...

Private Function FileExists(ByVal inFile As String) As Boolean
    On Error Resume Next
    FileExists = CBool(FileLen(inFile) + 1)
End Function

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing


> Not necessary to test for file size or do a DIR() or any of the other
> cumbersome ways.
>
> Simple code is always best.
>
> 1. Kill it.
> 2, If it isn't there, trap the error and move on.
> 3. If it is there, it gets killed.
> 4. Either way we move on.
>
> Simple, elegant, efficient and within the design parameters of MS Access.
> Oh, and easily understood with subsequent reading without the need to 
> write
> explanatory notes.
>
> IMO of course.
>
> Max



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 10:38:51 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:38:51 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <9DDA177BA2DE4A309CD58D2B6220F0D1@Mattys>
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>	<CACFA340F877459E952C5323DFA2EBC4@SusanOne><CA1BA9858E984BADA2326611EBADD66E@Mattys>	<4a881d40.0a1ad00a.7641.377f@mx.google.com>
	<9DDA177BA2DE4A309CD58D2B6220F0D1@Mattys>
Message-ID: <4a882828.0707d00a.7b71.ffffd67b@mx.google.com>

Well, of course, you do realise it wasn't MY idea. LOL

When I first started out I avidly read Herts and Gerts or whatever they were
called.  

Lost the books long ago, but fantastic 2 x volume set on programming MS
Access.

In there, they advocated deliberately testing the error, trapping for it and
handling it as a neat quick way of finding  out "Is it there yes or no".

I have been doing it every since.

It normally continues with something like this (again, using the Kill as an
example)

On error resume next
Kill file
If error.no <> 0 then
It wasn't there - so we might want to do something here
Else
It was there and we killed it and might want to do something here
End if

If you wanted to take action following the kill statement.

Just an example.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys
Sent: 16 August 2009 16:24
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing

Hi Max,

I agree. There are plenty of ways to accomplish whatever
you're programming and using errors to your advantage
is just plain creative. It all depends upon what you're doing ...

Private Function FileExists(ByVal inFile As String) As Boolean
    On Error Resume Next
    FileExists = CBool(FileLen(inFile) + 1)
End Function

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing


> Not necessary to test for file size or do a DIR() or any of the other
> cumbersome ways.
>
> Simple code is always best.
>
> 1. Kill it.
> 2, If it isn't there, trap the error and move on.
> 3. If it is there, it gets killed.
> 4. Either way we move on.
>
> Simple, elegant, efficient and within the design parameters of MS Access.
> Oh, and easily understood with subsequent reading without the need to 
> write
> explanatory notes.
>
> IMO of course.
>
> Max

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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sun Aug 16 12:52:27 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 19:52:27 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
Message-ID: <sa8863a5.060@cactus.dk>

Hi Rocky

Here's how to perform this simple task which has a twist. Problem is that Kill sometimes cannot delete the file because of write protection or missing rights or a file lock:

<code>
Public Function KillFile(ByVal strFile As String) As Boolean

  Dim booSuccess  As Boolean
  
  ' Delete the file named strFile if it exists.
  
  On Error GoTo Exit_KillFile
  
  If Len(Dir(strFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
    ' The file is not there.
    booSuccess = True
  Else
    Kill strFile
    ' Check if the file was deleted.
    If Len(Dir(strFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
      ' The file was deleted.
      booSuccess = True
    End If
  End If
  
Exit_KillFile:
  KillFile = booSuccess

End Function
</code>

So:

strFile = gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM Export.XLS"
If KillFile(strFile) Then
  ' Run export routine.
Else
  ' Display error.
  MsgBox "Cannot currently export to file " & strFile & "."
End If

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 16-08-2009 15:56 >>>
Dear List:

I am exporting a bill of materials to a spreadsheet from an access database.
The file name on the spreadsheet is the part number the user selects plus
some other stuff.

Before I create it I issue a Kill:

Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM Export.XLS"

If the file is not there it generates an error of course, file not found.

Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:

On Error Resume Next
Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM Export.XLS"
On Error GoTo 0

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 





From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 16 13:25:55 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:25:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <sa8863a5.060@cactus.dk>
References: <sa8863a5.060@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <F89F6C37AE3847ED9F02AA8499D150E6@HAL9005>

Gustav:

It may be overkill (no pun intended) for this particular problem - custom
feature for one fairly technically competent user - but it's the right thing
for the general purpose program like my manufacturing system.

Thanks

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 10:52 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing

Hi Rocky

Here's how to perform this simple task which has a twist. Problem is that
Kill sometimes cannot delete the file because of write protection or missing
rights or a file lock:

<code>
Public Function KillFile(ByVal strFile As String) As Boolean

  Dim booSuccess  As Boolean
  
  ' Delete the file named strFile if it exists.
  
  On Error GoTo Exit_KillFile
  
  If Len(Dir(strFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
    ' The file is not there.
    booSuccess = True
  Else
    Kill strFile
    ' Check if the file was deleted.
    If Len(Dir(strFile, vbNormal)) = 0 Then
      ' The file was deleted.
      booSuccess = True
    End If
  End If
  
Exit_KillFile:
  KillFile = booSuccess

End Function
</code>

So:

strFile = gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & "
- BOM Export.XLS"
If KillFile(strFile) Then
  ' Run export routine.
Else
  ' Display error.
  MsgBox "Cannot currently export to file " & strFile & "."
End If

/gustav


>>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 16-08-2009 15:56 >>>
Dear List:

I am exporting a bill of materials to a spreadsheet from an access database.
The file name on the spreadsheet is the part number the user selects plus
some other stuff.

Before I create it I issue a Kill:

Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM
Export.XLS"

If the file is not there it generates an error of course, file not found.

Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:

On Error Resume Next
Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM
Export.XLS"
On Error GoTo 0

MTIA,

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 



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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sun Aug 16 16:08:03 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:08:03 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4A887533.24294.77C9B8A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

That's what I frequently use -  but only where I am sure that the user will be able to delete 
the old file. 

If for some reason the file can't be deleted - in use, set as ReadOnly or the user doesn't 
have suitable permissions on the file or directory,  you may be still left with old file and not 
realise it.

Where there are these possibilities, you need to set up a full error trap and only Resume 
Next if the file doesn't exist.  If you get any other error you need to advise the user 
accordingly.

In your case you are using  gstrBackEndPath.  Could two people try to work with  the same 
file at the same time?


-- 
Stuart


On 16 Aug 2009 at 6:56, Rocky Smolin wrote:



> Dear List:
> 
> I am exporting a bill of materials to a spreadsheet from an access database.
> The file name on the spreadsheet is the part number the user selects plus
> some other stuff.
> 
> Before I create it I issue a Kill:
> 
> Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM
> Export.XLS"
> 
> If the file is not there it generates an error of course, file not found.
> 
> Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:
> 
> On Error Resume Next
> Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " - BOM
> Export.XLS"
> On Error GoTo 0
> 
> 
> MTIA,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> 
> Beach Access Software
> 
> 858-259-4334
> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> 
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 16 16:26:46 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:26:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <4A887533.24294.77C9B8A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>
	<4A887533.24294.77C9B8A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <F19CFDA9ACD04C6E8677D2D5CB8277BF@HAL9005>

Stuart:

In this case it is very unlikely.  They're exporting a bill of materials so
the file will only be opened and worked on by the user in Excel after the
export is done.  It is possible that two users could try to export the same
BOM at the same time.  But the likelihood seems vanishingly small.

I could get around even that possibility by changing gstrBackEndPath to
gstrFrontEndPath - another handy global I keep around for just such
application.  I'll have to ask the user what they prefer. User's in Bahrain,
BTW - another 'remote' location.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:08 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing

That's what I frequently use -  but only where I am sure that the user will
be able to delete the old file. 

If for some reason the file can't be deleted - in use, set as ReadOnly or
the user doesn't have suitable permissions on the file or directory,  you
may be still left with old file and not realise it.

Where there are these possibilities, you need to set up a full error trap
and only Resume Next if the file doesn't exist.  If you get any other error
you need to advise the user accordingly.

In your case you are using  gstrBackEndPath.  Could two people try to work
with  the same file at the same time?


-- 
Stuart


On 16 Aug 2009 at 6:56, Rocky Smolin wrote:



> Dear List:
> 
> I am exporting a bill of materials to a spreadsheet from an access
database.
> The file name on the spreadsheet is the part number the user selects plus
> some other stuff.
> 
> Before I create it I issue a Kill:
> 
> Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -
BOM
> Export.XLS"
> 
> If the file is not there it generates an error of course, file not found.
> 
> Is there anything wrong with the simple workaround:
> 
> On Error Resume Next
> Kill gstrBackEndPath & Forms!frmBFGExportBOM!txtAssemblyPartNumber & " -
BOM
> Export.XLS"
> On Error GoTo 0
> 
> 
> MTIA,
> 
> Rocky Smolin
> 
> Beach Access Software
> 
> 858-259-4334
> 
> www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 
> 
> www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 


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From stuart.mclachlan at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 17:02:08 2009
From: stuart.mclachlan at gmail.com (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:02:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <F19CFDA9ACD04C6E8677D2D5CB8277BF@HAL9005>
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>,
	<4A887533.24294.77C9B8A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<F19CFDA9ACD04C6E8677D2D5CB8277BF@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4A8881E0.2961.7AE1EED@stuart.mclachlan.gmail.com>

On 16 Aug 2009 at 14:26, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> I could get around even that possibility by changing gstrBackEndPath to
> gstrFrontEndPath - another handy global I keep around for just such
> application.  I'll have to ask the user what they prefer. User's in Bahrain,
> BTW - another 'remote' location.
> 
> Rocky

Depending on whether or not they need to keep the file afterwards, other possibilities are to 
write the file into the users "Documents", "Desktop" or "Temp" directory - or even the users 
"AppData".

Here's some useful functions if you want to go down that track.  Desktop() is a sample. You 
can create similar functions for the other locations by substituting the appropriate 
CSIDL_xxx in the function.

Private Declare Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32" Alias "GetTempPathA" _
 (ByVal nBufferLength As Long, ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long
Private Declare Function SHGetSpecialFolderLocation _
    Lib "shell32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
    ByVal nFolder As Long, ppidl As Long) As Long
Private Declare Function SHGetPathFromIDList _
    Lib "shell32" Alias "SHGetPathFromIDListA" _
    (ByVal Pidl As Long, ByVal pszPath As String) As Long
Private Declare Sub CoTaskMemFree Lib "ole32" (ByVal pvoid As Long)
       
Const MAX_PATH = 260
Const NOERROR = 0
Const CSIDL_DESKTOPDIRECTORY = &H0010 
Const CSIDL_PERSONAL =  &H0005   'Documents Directory	
Const %CSIDL_APPDATA = &H001a    '<user name>\Application Data

Public Function TempDir() As String
Dim strPath As String
strPath = Space(MAX_PATH)
GetTempPath Len(strPath), strPath
TempDir = Left(strPath, InStr(1, strPath, vbNullChar) - 1)
End Function

Public Function Desktop() As String
Dim lngPidlFound As Long
Dim lngFolderFound As Long
Dim lngPidl As Long
Dim strPath As String
strPath = Space(MAX_PATH)
lngPidlFound = SHGetSpecialFolderLocation(0, CSIDL_DESKTOPDIRECTORY, lngPidl)
If lngPidlFound = NOERROR Then
    lngFolderFound = SHGetPathFromIDList(lngPidl, strPath)
    If lngFolderFound Then
        Desktop = Left$(strPath, _
            InStr(1, strPath, vbNullChar) - 1) & "\"
    End If
End If
CoTaskMemFree lngPidl
End Function




From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 16 17:09:48 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:09:48 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <4A8881E0.2961.7AE1EED@stuart.mclachlan.gmail.com>
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>,
	<4A887533.24294.77C9B8A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<F19CFDA9ACD04C6E8677D2D5CB8277BF@HAL9005>
	<4A8881E0.2961.7AE1EED@stuart.mclachlan.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A922D8266EF94A27B5530D728A6B0368@HAL9005>

Into the library it goes! Desktop is never easy to find.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:02 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing

On 16 Aug 2009 at 14:26, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> I could get around even that possibility by changing gstrBackEndPath 
> to gstrFrontEndPath - another handy global I keep around for just such 
> application.  I'll have to ask the user what they prefer. User's in 
> Bahrain, BTW - another 'remote' location.
> 
> Rocky

Depending on whether or not they need to keep the file afterwards, other
possibilities are to write the file into the users "Documents", "Desktop" or
"Temp" directory - or even the users "AppData".

Here's some useful functions if you want to go down that track.  Desktop()
is a sample. You can create similar functions for the other locations by
substituting the appropriate CSIDL_xxx in the function.

Private Declare Function GetTempPath Lib "kernel32" Alias "GetTempPathA" _
(ByVal nBufferLength As Long, ByVal lpBuffer As String) As Long Private
Declare Function SHGetSpecialFolderLocation _
    Lib "shell32" (ByVal hwnd As Long, _
    ByVal nFolder As Long, ppidl As Long) As Long Private Declare Function
SHGetPathFromIDList _
    Lib "shell32" Alias "SHGetPathFromIDListA" _
    (ByVal Pidl As Long, ByVal pszPath As String) As Long Private Declare
Sub CoTaskMemFree Lib "ole32" (ByVal pvoid As Long)
       
Const MAX_PATH = 260
Const NOERROR = 0
Const CSIDL_DESKTOPDIRECTORY = &H0010 
Const CSIDL_PERSONAL =  &H0005   'Documents Directory	
Const %CSIDL_APPDATA = &H001a    '<user name>\Application Data

Public Function TempDir() As String
Dim strPath As String
strPath = Space(MAX_PATH)
GetTempPath Len(strPath), strPath
TempDir = Left(strPath, InStr(1, strPath, vbNullChar) - 1) End Function

Public Function Desktop() As String
Dim lngPidlFound As Long
Dim lngFolderFound As Long
Dim lngPidl As Long
Dim strPath As String
strPath = Space(MAX_PATH)
lngPidlFound = SHGetSpecialFolderLocation(0, CSIDL_DESKTOPDIRECTORY,
lngPidl) If lngPidlFound = NOERROR Then
    lngFolderFound = SHGetPathFromIDList(lngPidl, strPath)
    If lngFolderFound Then
        Desktop = Left$(strPath, _
            InStr(1, strPath, vbNullChar) - 1) & "\"
    End If
End If
CoTaskMemFree lngPidl
End Function


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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Mon Aug 17 08:28:33 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:28:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <4a868f2c.1c07d00a.0cb6.ffffdfe3@mx.google.com>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06E8@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>, 
	<4a86736b.0a04d00a.4229.3d1a@mx.google.com>
	<4A867BB2.20964.FED58BD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<4a868f2c.1c07d00a.0cb6.ffffdfe3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE073A@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

'fraid not. Access only has GetSetting and SaveSetting, both of which use just that one branch of the registry tree

(HKCU\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings, and the per user locations HKUSERS\{USER GUID}\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings)

This does not allow you to read anywhere else in the registry. That is why you need yet another API, as I mentioned on Friday.

For the complete skinny on using the whole registry take a peek here...

http://oreilly.com/pub/a/windows/2004/06/15/VB_Registry_Keys.html


Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 6:34 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Get Computer Name

Stuart:
I cannot find it right now, but I did come across this in some of my ancient code and it seems to work (slightly changed for sending here).  There is also a GetAllSettings.

I may be thinking of this.  In which case, when do the Application Installation, set the Computer Name and then you can always check to see if it has changed each time you boot.

I will continue looking, if I find it I will post it.

Max


Function xxxxx()
'GetSetting Function Example
'This example first uses the SaveSetting statement to make entries in the Windows registry '(or .ini file on 16-bit Windows platforms) for the application specified as appname, 'and then uses the GetSetting function to display one of the settings.
'Because the default argument is specified, some value is guaranteed to be returned.
'Note that section names can't be retrieved with GetSetting. Finally, the DeleteSetting statement 'removes all the application's entries.

' Variant to hold 2-dimensional array returned by GetSetting.
Dim MySettings As Variant
' Place some settings in the registry.
SaveSetting "Max's Application", "Startup", "Top", 75 SaveSetting "Max's Application", "Startup", "Left", 50 SaveSetting "Max's Application", "Platform", "ComputerName",
Environ("Computername") '"Left", 50

Debug.Print GetSetting(appname:="Max's Application", Section:="Platform", key:="ComputerName", Default:="NotHeld")

' The registry will hold these settings.
' HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-2317311743-3275204689-2861515661-1000\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings\Max's Application\Platform ' HKEY_USERS\S-1-5-21-2317311743-3275204689-2861515661-1000\Software\VB and VBA Program Settings\Max's Application\Startup

DeleteSetting "Max's Application", "Startup"
DeleteSetting "Max's Application", "Platform"

End Function

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From accessd at gfconsultants.com  Mon Aug 17 09:03:33 2009
From: accessd at gfconsultants.com (Reuben Cummings)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:03:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Get Computer Name
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE073A@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <D27823F63EB64AC284907A7F38E9F87A@reubennx9500>

Thanks for all the input, guys.

I am only using the Computer Name to see if the FE is on a computer
different than my computer.  So even if it returns a null I know it's not on
my computer anymore. 

Reuben Cummings
GFC, LLC
812.523.1017







From jwelz at hotmail.com  Mon Aug 17 11:58:08 2009
From: jwelz at hotmail.com (Jurgen Welz)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:58:08 -0600
Subject: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
In-Reply-To: <A922D8266EF94A27B5530D728A6B0368@HAL9005>
References: <7D6C3A47D4CB453B8E9E2CB57DB58EF1@HAL9005>,
	<4A887533.24294.77C9B8A@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<F19CFDA9ACD04C6E8677D2D5CB8277BF@HAL9005>
	<4A8881E0.2961.7AE1EED@stuart.mclachlan.gmail.com> 
	<A922D8266EF94A27B5530D728A6B0368@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <BLU144-W35ABA2E4F8FE75F75B1134A1010@phx.gbl>


Our users are advised not to use their desktops for file storage on our network as these folders are not backed up.  For that reason I've found it best to create the save path on the fly.  Generally the path will be based on the user name, a table name and PK or some other determinate string.  When users accidentally drag entire folder trees to different locations you need to create the full path to guarantee it exists.

 

I generally create files of the same type with names that have an incrementing version suffix or a date stamp in the name except in those cases where it is important that there is only one file.  An example would be an invoicing workbook with a sheet added each month for invoices issued that month.  Multiple revisions of an invoice document would get a name with a claim number suffix followed by a hyphen and then a two digit version number suffix.  Since the path is determinate, I give users a button to open a folder for files related to the user or record and they can deal with the names beyond what the system provides.  Prior to killing a file, I generally try to open it exclusive or rename it to a name that you verify doesn't exist.  If renaming or opening exclusive fails you will get an error along the lines of trying to delete a file that is open anyway so this approach doesn't get you much further in the error handling department.  You'd be suprised how often the user himelf has a file open when he tries to delete it.  After verifying the file is there and not open, the file goes to the recycle bin.

 

Public Declare Function SHFileOperationA Lib "shell32.dll" (lpFileOp As FileOpStruct) As Long


'structure for the call to the Recycle operation

Private Type FileOpStruct
    hwnd As Long
    wFunc As Long
    pFrom As String
    pTo As String
    fFlags As Integer
    fAborted As Boolean
    hNameMaps As Long
    sProgressTitle As String
End Type


'strFileName is the full path and name

Public Function Recycle(strFileName As String) As Boolean
    Dim Killed As FileOpStruct

 

    If Len(Dir(strFileName)) Then
        With Killed
            .wFunc = 3
            .pFrom = strFileName & vbNullChar
            .fFlags = 80
        End With
        Recycle = SHFileOperationA(Killed) = 0
    End If
End Function


Public Function fnFileIsOpen(ByVal strFileName As String) As Boolean
    On Error GoTo ErrorHandler

    Dim intFileHandle As Integer

 

    intFileHandle = FreeFile()
    Open strFileName For Input Lock Read As intFileHandle
    fnFileIsOpen = False

ExitRoutine:
    On Error Resume Next
    Close intFileHandle
    Exit Function
ErrorHandler:
    fnFileIsOpen = True
    Resume ExitRoutine
End Function


Ciao

J?rgen Welz

Edmonton, Alberta

jwelz at hotmail.com


 
> From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:09:48 -0700
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
> 
> Into the library it goes! Desktop is never easy to find.
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:02 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] A Matter of Killing
> 
> On 16 Aug 2009 at 14:26, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > I could get around even that possibility by changing gstrBackEndPath 
> > to gstrFrontEndPath - another handy global I keep around for just such 
> > application. I'll have to ask the user what they prefer. User's in 
> > Bahrain, BTW - another 'remote' location.


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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Aug  3 12:25:37 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 10:25:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code While Report Is Open
Message-ID: <205DCC31BADF48349E96201506731BDB@HAL9005>

Dear List:

I need to stop the execution of code while a report is open - something like
opening a form modal.  I did this in an app long ago but can't recall where
it is - something about a Do While loop while the report is open.

Does anyone know the test for this?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Aug 17 12:47:19 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:47:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code While Report Is Open
In-Reply-To: <205DCC31BADF48349E96201506731BDB@HAL9005>
References: <205DCC31BADF48349E96201506731BDB@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <324D89DF78BE406D88432FC3B0FB670A@HAL9005>

Never mind  acDialog done it.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Stop Code While Report Is Open

Dear List:

I need to stop the execution of code while a report is open - something like
opening a form modal.  I did this in an app long ago but can't recall where
it is - something about a Do While loop while the report is open.

Does anyone know the test for this?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky

 




From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 16:30:41 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:30:41 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows?
In-Reply-To: <4a72adcb.0506d00a.63fb.131b@mx.google.com>
References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com>
	<00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com>
	<8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com>
	<8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a71d39e.0a1ad00a.6f64.ffffb699@mx.google.com>
	<8786a4c00907301657q4e94777ld3243e8a09f88ff9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a72adcb.0506d00a.63fb.131b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00908171430q5eb65c2fg114ccf0bf40e93fe@mail.gmail.com>

hmmmm. Just noticed the stupid listbox is acting up again!

I completely recreated the form, new controls (no copying/pasting).

Now its only showing the top three list items.

This doesnt happen on any other form.

The only thing different about this form than all of the others is that I am
using a subform in datasheet view.
All other screens have a listbox to select records.

The OnCurrent event of the subform does a few things, one of them is:
Me.Parent("lstHistory").RowSource = "EXEC stpGetHistMach " &
Nz(Me.MachineID, 0)

Once again, the returned record count is correct, but the listbox does not
display all rows.
But the data in the Listbox is there!

I can type the following in the immediate VBA window:
? forms!frmRentalMachines6!lstHistory.listcount
and get 11 (but only 3 rows show on the screen)

I can get data from the listbox: ?
forms!frmRentalMachines6!lstHistory.column(1,4) and the correct data shows.

now this is the weird part.

I can type the following into the immediate window:
forms!frmRentalMachines6!lstHistory.requery and all rows display.

But if I put a command to requery on the onCurrent of the subform, it
switches back to only 3 rows.

I can even make a new command button on the parent form and in the onclick
event put something like:
me.lstHistory.Requery and it doesnt work the same as
forms!frmRentalMachines6!lstHistory.requery

Going nuts over here!

D





On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well done - way to go man!!
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
>  Sent: 31 July 2009 00:57
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows?
>
> I took this bit of advice, deleted the tab control, and all listboxes.
>
> Built a new list box and using buttons, changed the listbox rowsource and
> it
> seems to be working.
>
> David
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hmm difficult David, without seeing it.
> > What I tend to do is to have the tabs replaced with buttons (make them
> look
> > similar) and in the main form I have ONE sub form.
> >
> > Depending which button they click, the embedded sub form name is changed
> > and
> > it is then requeried.  Effectively this means (for 5 tab items, 5
> > same-sized
> > sub forms) but each one is only loaded when required (JIT).  This also
> > reduces the load time for a form with many tabs with many associated
> > populating of controls on them.
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
> > Sent: 30 July 2009 17:59
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all
> rows?
> >
> > I have.
> >
> > I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some
> > how
> > corrupt.
> >
> > I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls, even
> > if
> > its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls).
> > I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was
> > that they want five times.
> >
> > I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue.
> >
> > I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very
> > complex. :(
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > David,
> > > Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to
> what
> > > you
> > > need.
> > > That sometimes works.
> > >
> > > Max
> > >
> > >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 16:40:12 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:40:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows?
In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00908171430q5eb65c2fg114ccf0bf40e93fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8786a4c00907291749g1e2cc47fob66e67b5157a3862@mail.gmail.com>
	<00163646d11afba211046fe1e4ef@google.com>
	<8786a4c00907291814o679d575aid979340b5fc75a3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8786a4c00907292100v5293e039i4a36fdc8303c47ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a715f4f.0506d00a.75bb.7b80@mx.google.com>
	<8786a4c00907300958y24185ef8v27d783a6771ce431@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a71d39e.0a1ad00a.6f64.ffffb699@mx.google.com>
	<8786a4c00907301657q4e94777ld3243e8a09f88ff9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a72adcb.0506d00a.63fb.131b@mx.google.com>
	<8786a4c00908171430q5eb65c2fg114ccf0bf40e93fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00908171440g54252dfer2684a491625a30d9@mail.gmail.com>

Me.Parent("lstHistory").RowSource = "EXEC stpGetHistMach " &
Nz(Me.MachineID, 0)
DoEvents
Me.Parent("lstHistory").Requery

seems to work for the moment



On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:30 PM, David McAfee <davidmcafee at gmail.com> wrote:

> hmmmm. Just noticed the stupid listbox is acting up again!
>
> I completely recreated the form, new controls (no copying/pasting).
>
> Now its only showing the top three list items.
>
> This doesnt happen on any other form.
>
> The only thing different about this form than all of the others is that I
> am using a subform in datasheet view.
> All other screens have a listbox to select records.
>
> The OnCurrent event of the subform does a few things, one of them is:
> Me.Parent("lstHistory").RowSource = "EXEC stpGetHistMach " &
> Nz(Me.MachineID, 0)
>
> Once again, the returned record count is correct, but the listbox does not
> display all rows.
> But the data in the Listbox is there!
>
> I can type the following in the immediate VBA window:
> ? forms!frmRentalMachines6!lstHistory.listcount
> and get 11 (but only 3 rows show on the screen)
>
> I can get data from the listbox: ?
> forms!frmRentalMachines6!lstHistory.column(1,4) and the correct data shows.
>
> now this is the weird part.
>
> I can type the following into the immediate window:
> forms!frmRentalMachines6!lstHistory.requery and all rows display.
>
> But if I put a command to requery on the onCurrent of the subform, it
> switches back to only 3 rows.
>
> I can even make a new command button on the parent form and in the onclick
> event put something like:
> me.lstHistory.Requery and it doesnt work the same as
> forms!frmRentalMachines6!lstHistory.requery
>
> Going nuts over here!
>
> D
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Well done - way to go man!!
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
>>  Sent: 31 July 2009 00:57
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all rows?
>>
>> I took this bit of advice, deleted the tab control, and all listboxes.
>>
>> Built a new list box and using buttons, changed the listbox rowsource and
>> it
>> seems to be working.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hmm difficult David, without seeing it.
>> > What I tend to do is to have the tabs replaced with buttons (make them
>> look
>> > similar) and in the main form I have ONE sub form.
>> >
>> > Depending which button they click, the embedded sub form name is changed
>> > and
>> > it is then requeried.  Effectively this means (for 5 tab items, 5
>> > same-sized
>> > sub forms) but each one is only loaded when required (JIT).  This also
>> > reduces the load time for a form with many tabs with many associated
>> > populating of controls on them.
>> >
>> > Max
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee
>> > Sent: 30 July 2009 17:59
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Has anyone ever sen a listbox not display all
>> rows?
>> >
>> > I have.
>> >
>> > I've even completely rebuilt it. I think it may be the form that is some
>> > how
>> > corrupt.
>> >
>> > I remember reading somewhere that a form can only have 255 controls,
>> even
>> > if
>> > its over time (deleting controls, adding controls, deleting controls).
>> > I have redesigned this form for a department that didnt know what it was
>> > that they want five times.
>> >
>> > I'm wondering if this somehow could be an issue.
>> >
>> > I may have to rebuild the whole form...which sucks because it is very
>> > complex. :(
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > David,
>> > > Try COPYING a list box that works and then change the attributes to
>> what
>> > > you
>> > > need.
>> > > That sometimes works.
>> > >
>> > > Max
>> > >
>> > >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> > --
>> > AccessD mailing list
>> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>> >
>> --
>>  AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>


From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 07:03:07 2009
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:03:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pete's number
Message-ID: <2dad32080908180503s68223c13t12ff14ccdd21dc4d@mail.gmail.com>

(262)
939-
3717

-- 
Jeff Barrows


From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 18 07:32:44 2009
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 05:32:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected Databases
In-Reply-To: <2dad32080908180503s68223c13t12ff14ccdd21dc4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <102909.69977.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good Morning Everyone,
?
I am writing a application that is needed in the office and also out of the office (on a laptop).? Both copies need to function independently but need to be synchronized in the end, with both copies needing updates from each other.? Does anyone know if this functionality is native in access or xp or do I have to create and update routine.
?
Thanks!
?
Dale
?

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Jeff Barrows <jeff.developer at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jeff Barrows <jeff.developer at gmail.com>
Subject: [AccessD] Pete's number
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:03 AM


(262)
939-
3717

-- 
Jeff Barrows
-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



      

From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug 18 07:43:33 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:43:33 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Disconnected Databases
In-Reply-To: <102909.69977.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <2dad32080908180503s68223c13t12ff14ccdd21dc4d@mail.gmail.com>,
	<102909.69977.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A8AA1F5.25943.FFB7236@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Look up Replication in Access Help, then try using the Tools-Replication menu items.


On 18 Aug 2009 at 5:32, Dale Kalsow wrote:

> Good Morning Everyone, ? I am writing a application that is needed in
> the office and also out of the office (on a laptop).? Both copies need
> to function independently but need to be synchronized in the end, with
> both copies needing updates from each other.? Does anyone know if this
> functionality is native in access or xp or do I have to create and
> update routine. ? Thanks! ? Dale ? 
> 




From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 18 07:45:02 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:45:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Pete's number
In-Reply-To: <2dad32080908180503s68223c13t12ff14ccdd21dc4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2dad32080908180503s68223c13t12ff14ccdd21dc4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8AA24E.1060809@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks.  Should we all call it every 10 minutes?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jeff Barrows wrote:
> (262)
> 939-
> 3717
> 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Aug 18 08:24:29 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:24:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Pete's number
In-Reply-To: <2dad32080908180503s68223c13t12ff14ccdd21dc4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2dad32080908180503s68223c13t12ff14ccdd21dc4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9188F2381DC146F29E83E5FFB57FA1A7@HAL9005>

OK, everybody, let's call Pete and leave a message for JC.  Then about 4:30
today when Pete's about to lose his mind, JC can call and ask if there's any
messages for him. 

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:03 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Pete's number

(262)
939-
3717

--
Jeff Barrows
--
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 08:29:18 2009
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:29:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Pete's number
In-Reply-To: <9188F2381DC146F29E83E5FFB57FA1A7@HAL9005>
References: <2dad32080908180503s68223c13t12ff14ccdd21dc4d@mail.gmail.com>
	<9188F2381DC146F29E83E5FFB57FA1A7@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <2dad32080908180629q7351651p78e3f70cec55afb2@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, sent it to the wrong person(list).  It is Pete's birthday today.
Send him a text message if you want.  It WILL drive him nuts!

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> OK, everybody, let's call Pete and leave a message for JC.  Then about 4:30
> today when Pete's about to lose his mind, JC can call and ask if there's
> any
> messages for him.
>
> Rocky
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows
> Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 5:03 AM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Pete's number
>
> (262)
> 939-
> 3717
>
> --
> Jeff Barrows
> --
>  AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
Jeff Barrows


From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 09:00:26 2009
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:00:26 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access 2003 to SQL question (cross posted to accessd and
	sqlserver lists)
Message-ID: <2dad32080908180700t760dc54cn3d781bc6e93fea0e@mail.gmail.com>

I have an app that has an Access 2003 front end and an SQL 2005 back end.
Everything has been going fine, but now I noticed that I cannot update one
of my tables through the FE.  I am able to update through the Management
Studio, but need to be able to do it through the FE.  It seems to me that I
had this problem before, but I cannot remember how I fixed it.

Any suggestions?
TIA
-- 
Jeff Barrows


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 18 11:11:34 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:11:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] References
In-Reply-To: <4a880426.0508d00a.7593.ffffa858@mx.google.com>
References: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E19CE06C0@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>,
	<4A87C9A6.13506.4DE7A37@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4a87cde7.0707d00a.7b78.2a2c@mx.google.com><4A87D61E.15889.50F31A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>	<4a87dc78.0506d00a.6c7f.ffffe894@mx.google.com><A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202E88BAF@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
	<4a880426.0508d00a.7593.ffffa858@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFACC8@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Where did you look, Max?  There should be code in the archives.  As I
recall, it requires a separate module with a reference to the VBE dll
and that code has to run before anything else.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] References

I still haven't seen the code for References.
It was about storing and checking References in an application

Max





From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 18 11:25:18 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:25:18 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] References
Message-ID: <sa8af22e.009@cactus.dk>

Hi Max

I don't recall promising you anything. But - as Charlotte tells - some years ago we had a lengthy thread on this.
Look up here:

http://databaseadvisors.com/pipermail/accessd/2003-July/011034.html 

/gustav


>>> cfoust at infostatsystems.com 18-08-2009 18:11 >>>
Where did you look, Max?  There should be code in the archives.  As I
recall, it requires a separate module with a reference to the VBE dll
and that code has to run before anything else.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:05 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] References

I still haven't seen the code for References.
It was about storing and checking References in an application

Max





From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Tue Aug 18 23:14:50 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:14:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using Code to relink tables between Access Databases
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793DA@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>

Hi folks,

I usually use an Access FE (MDE) to a SQL Server BE and have a nice
clean process to create and link selected tables each time the MDE opens
up and chats with the back end.  Now I am trying to do the same thing
Access to Access (2000 in case it matters).  And Do you think I can get
the damn thing to work. Bah humbug.  I suspect it has something to do
with the DAO connection string I am providing.  The connection is
DNSless.

Using AccessFE and SQL Server BE the following code works great (the
tables names are pulled down from a tblTables etc).

Set tbl = CurrentDb.CreateTableDef(rsSP("tblName"), dbAttachSavePWD,
rsSP("sqlName"), DbDAOConStr)
CurrentDb.TableDefs.Append tbl

Based on the DAO string being
Public Const DbDAOConStr As String = "ODBC;Driver={SQL Server};" & _
  "SERVER=SQL01DEV\SP4;DATABASE=EUC_COMMON;Network=DBMSSOCN;" & _
  "Trusted_Connection=Yes"

'-------------------------------------------------

I changed the DAO conn string to:
Public Const DbDAOConStr As String = _
"ODBC;Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)};Dbq=" & pcstrDataSource &
";Uid=Admin;Pwd=" & pcstrPW & ";"

And used the code:
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strCon, acTable,
rsSP("sqlName"), rsSP("tblName"), False, True

Would work for Access to Access relinking, but I get the error when this
happens.
"Cannot use OBDC to ... link an external Microsoft JET or ISAM database
table to your database"



If I change the connection string to:
Public Const DbDAOConStr As String = _
"Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)};Dbq=" & pcstrDataSource &
";Uid=Admin;Pwd=" & pcstrPW & ";"

And rerun the code, I get the following Error: "Could not find
installable ISAM"

I looked that up on MSKDB and followed their fix, but to no avail.
Hmmmm.

Getting frustrated now. Anyone got any advice on the correct way to do
this?

 - wish I could just use SQL server :-/


Cheers
Darryl (at a new email addy!) - new job.

Darryl Collins | IT PMO Integration Specialist
Cash Management Platform (CMP) Program

ANZ, Level 23, 55 Collins Street, Melbourne
Ph: +61 3 9652 1510 (Local: 03 9652 1510)
Mobile: +61 418 381 548 (Local: 0418 381 548)
Email: darryl.collins at anz.com <mailto:collinsd at anz.com> 




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From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Tue Aug 18 23:37:39 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:37:39 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Naturally....
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793DE@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>

Hah! As usual, after several days of struggling with this, I figure out
the solution about 2.4 minutes after I emailed the list.  Thanks for the
inspiration - that is what I say :)

The magic syntax is
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", pcstrDataSource,
acTable, rsSP("sqlName"), rsSP("tblName"), False, True

Where "pcstrDataSource" is the path and file name.

Cheers
Darry.

Darryl Collins | IT PMO Integration Specialist
Cash Management Platform (CMP) Program

ANZ, Level 23, 55 Collins Street, Melbourne
Ph: +61 3 9652 1510 (Local: 03 9652 1510)
Mobile: +61 418 381 548 (Local: 0418 381 548)
Email: darryl.collins at anz.com <mailto:collinsd at anz.com> 




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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug 18 23:44:26 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:44:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using Code to relink tables between Access Databases
In-Reply-To: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793DA@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
References: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793DA@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
Message-ID: <4A8B832A.12842.136B233E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

You have to handle Access and ODBC connections slightly differently
For Access, you just pass the database name -  for ODBC, you pass the connection string
Here's the relevant snippets from my relinking code:

Const strBEName = "\myApp_BE.mdb"

Const strSQLConnect = "ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server;" & _
"SERVER=myServer;" & _
"APP=Microsoft Data Access Components;" & _ 
"DATABASE=myDB;Trusted_Connection=Yes"

Function ConnectSQL()
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strSQLConnect, False
    End If
Next
End Function

Function ConnectBELocal()
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, CurrentProject.Path  & strBEName, True
    End If
Next
End Function

Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As Boolean) As Long
On Error Resume Next
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tablename
On Error GoTo 0

Select Case AccessDb
Case True
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable, tablename, 
tablename, False
Case False
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", datafile, acTable, tablename, 
tablename, False
End Select
End Function


-- 
Stuart

On 19 Aug 2009 at 14:14, Collins, Darryl wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I usually use an Access FE (MDE) to a SQL Server BE and have a nice
> clean process to create and link selected tables each time the MDE opens
> up and chats with the back end.  Now I am trying to do the same thing
> Access to Access (2000 in case it matters).  And Do you think I can get
> the damn thing to work. Bah humbug.  I suspect it has something to do
> with the DAO connection string I am providing.  The connection is
> DNSless.
> 
> Using AccessFE and SQL Server BE the following code works great (the
> tables names are pulled down from a tblTables etc).
> 
> Set tbl = CurrentDb.CreateTableDef(rsSP("tblName"), dbAttachSavePWD,
> rsSP("sqlName"), DbDAOConStr)
> CurrentDb.TableDefs.Append tbl
> 
> Based on the DAO string being
> Public Const DbDAOConStr As String = "ODBC;Driver={SQL Server};" & _
>   "SERVER=SQL01DEV\SP4;DATABASE=EUC_COMMON;Network=DBMSSOCN;" & _
>   "Trusted_Connection=Yes"
> 
> '-------------------------------------------------
> 
> I changed the DAO conn string to:
> Public Const DbDAOConStr As String = _
> "ODBC;Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)};Dbq=" & pcstrDataSource &
> ";Uid=Admin;Pwd=" & pcstrPW & ";"
> 
> And used the code:
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strCon, acTable,
> rsSP("sqlName"), rsSP("tblName"), False, True
> 
> Would work for Access to Access relinking, but I get the error when this
> happens.
> "Cannot use OBDC to ... link an external Microsoft JET or ISAM database
> table to your database"
> 
> 
> 
> If I change the connection string to:
> Public Const DbDAOConStr As String = _
> "Driver={Microsoft Access Driver (*.mdb)};Dbq=" & pcstrDataSource &
> ";Uid=Admin;Pwd=" & pcstrPW & ";"
> 
> And rerun the code, I get the following Error: "Could not find
> installable ISAM"
> 
> I looked that up on MSKDB and followed their fix, but to no avail.
> Hmmmm.
> 
> Getting frustrated now. Anyone got any advice on the correct way to do
> this?
> 
>  - wish I could just use SQL server :-/
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl (at a new email addy!) - new job.
> 
> Darryl Collins | IT PMO Integration Specialist
> Cash Management Platform (CMP) Program
> 
> ANZ, Level 23, 55 Collins Street, Melbourne
> Ph: +61 3 9652 1510 (Local: 03 9652 1510)
> Mobile: +61 418 381 548 (Local: 0418 381 548)
> Email: darryl.collins at anz.com <mailto:collinsd at anz.com> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is, unless otherwise stated, confidential,  may contain copyright material and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not read, copy, retransmit or otherwise deal with it. Any views expressed in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Limited ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the Communication, computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or in respect of the Communication."
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From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Tue Aug 18 23:52:12 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:52:12 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Using Code to relink tables between Access Databases
In-Reply-To: <4A8B832A.12842.136B233E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793E1@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>

Stuart,

Thank you very much for this.  I will keep this code for future use and
test it out now to see if it is going to suit my needs. I think I am
close now to getting this to work, although your code maybe a much
better method.  Testing testing testing..

Cheers
Darryl. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 2:44 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Using Code to relink tables between Access
Databases

You have to handle Access and ODBC connections slightly differently For
Access, you just pass the database name -  for ODBC, you pass the
connection string Here's the relevant snippets from my relinking code:

Const strBEName = "\myApp_BE.mdb"

Const strSQLConnect = "ODBC;DRIVER=SQL Server;" & _ "SERVER=myServer;" &
_ "APP=Microsoft Data Access Components;" & _
"DATABASE=myDB;Trusted_Connection=Yes"

Function ConnectSQL()
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, strSQLConnect, False
    End If
Next
End Function

Function ConnectBELocal()
Dim tdf As TableDef
For Each tdf In CurrentDb.TableDefs
    If Left$(tdf.Name, 3) = "tbl" Then
         renewlink tdf.Name, CurrentProject.Path  & strBEName, True
    End If
Next
End Function

Function renewlink(tablename As String, datafile As String, AccessDb As
Boolean) As Long On Error Resume Next DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable,
tablename On Error GoTo 0

Select Case AccessDb
Case True
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", datafile, acTable,
tablename, tablename, False Case False DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink,
"ODBC Database", datafile, acTable, tablename, tablename, False End
Select End Function


--
Stuart

On 19 Aug 2009 at 14:14, Collins, Darryl wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I usually use an Access FE (MDE) to a SQL Server BE and have a nice 
> clean process to create and link selected tables each time the MDE 
> opens up and chats with the back end.  Now I am trying to do the same 
> thing Access to Access (2000 in case it matters).  And Do you think I 
> can get the damn thing to work. Bah humbug.  I suspect it has 
> something to do with the DAO connection string I am providing.  The 
> connection is DNSless.
> 
> Using AccessFE and SQL Server BE the following code works great (the 
> tables names are pulled down from a tblTables etc).
> 
> Set tbl = CurrentDb.CreateTableDef(rsSP("tblName"), dbAttachSavePWD, 
> rsSP("sqlName"), DbDAOConStr) CurrentDb.TableDefs.Append tbl
> 
> Based on the DAO string being
> Public Const DbDAOConStr As String = "ODBC;Driver={SQL Server};" & _
>   "SERVER=SQL01DEV\SP4;DATABASE=EUC_COMMON;Network=DBMSSOCN;" & _
>   "Trusted_Connection=Yes"
> 
> '-------------------------------------------------
> 
> I changed the DAO conn string to:
> Public Const DbDAOConStr As String = _ "ODBC;Driver={Microsoft Access 
> Driver (*.mdb)};Dbq=" & pcstrDataSource & ";Uid=Admin;Pwd=" & pcstrPW 
> & ";"
> 
> And used the code:
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "ODBC Database", strCon, acTable, 
> rsSP("sqlName"), rsSP("tblName"), False, True
> 
> Would work for Access to Access relinking, but I get the error when 
> this happens.
> "Cannot use OBDC to ... link an external Microsoft JET or ISAM 
> database table to your database"
> 
> 
> 
> If I change the connection string to:
> Public Const DbDAOConStr As String = _ "Driver={Microsoft Access 
> Driver (*.mdb)};Dbq=" & pcstrDataSource & ";Uid=Admin;Pwd=" & pcstrPW 
> & ";"
> 
> And rerun the code, I get the following Error: "Could not find 
> installable ISAM"
> 
> I looked that up on MSKDB and followed their fix, but to no avail.
> Hmmmm.
> 
> Getting frustrated now. Anyone got any advice on the correct way to do

> this?
> 
>  - wish I could just use SQL server :-/
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl (at a new email addy!) - new job.
> 
> Darryl Collins | IT PMO Integration Specialist Cash Management 
> Platform (CMP) Program
> 
> ANZ, Level 23, 55 Collins Street, Melbourne
> Ph: +61 3 9652 1510 (Local: 03 9652 1510)
> Mobile: +61 418 381 548 (Local: 0418 381 548)
> Email: darryl.collins at anz.com <mailto:collinsd at anz.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is,
unless otherwise stated, confidential,  may contain copyright material
and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the
Communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by return
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ABN 11 005 357 522, or any of its related entities including ANZ
National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not accept liability in
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computer virus, data corruption, interference or delay arising from or
in respect of the Communication."
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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 05:27:32 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 06:27:32 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Naturally....
In-Reply-To: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793DE@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
References: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793DE@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908190327x289f7e1gc78c7923eaa521a5@mail.gmail.com>

That has got to be the most hilarious syntax I have ever seen. But if it
works, then go for it. But it's a great excuse to give up computing and
instead buy a ladies shoe store LOL.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Collins, Darryl <Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:

> Hah! As usual, after several days of struggling with this, I figure out
> the solution about 2.4 minutes after I emailed the list.  Thanks for the
> inspiration - that is what I say :)
>
> The magic syntax is
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", pcstrDataSource,
> acTable, rsSP("sqlName"), rsSP("tblName"), False, True
>
> Where "pcstrDataSource" is the path and file name.
>
> Cheers
> Darry.
>


From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Wed Aug 19 06:00:02 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:00:02 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Naturally....
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908190327x289f7e1gc78c7923eaa521a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA339333@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>



hehehe, after this week running a kinky boot shop for young ladies sounds rather appealing.  I have to admit I am still looking at options on this (relinking tables, not kinky boots.. although now you mention it)....

One stupid issue I have bumped into is the code below doesn't work if the BE database is password protected... Duh! what genius came up with that??? Some days I really don't like MS Access at all!! :-/  Heresay on the Access List I am sure,

"shoe size ladies?"...





-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 8:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Naturally....


That has got to be the most hilarious syntax I have ever seen. But if it
works, then go for it. But it's a great excuse to give up computing and
instead buy a ladies shoe store LOL.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Collins, Darryl <Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:

> Hah! As usual, after several days of struggling with this, I figure out
> the solution about 2.4 minutes after I emailed the list.  Thanks for the
> inspiration - that is what I say :)
>
> The magic syntax is
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", pcstrDataSource,
> acTable, rsSP("sqlName"), rsSP("tblName"), False, True
>
> Where "pcstrDataSource" is the path and file name.
>
> Cheers
> Darry.
>
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 19 07:21:11 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:21:11 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Naturally....
In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA339333@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
References: <29f585dd0908190327x289f7e1gc78c7923eaa521a5@mail.gmail.com>,
	<57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA339333@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
Message-ID: <4A8BEE37.2259.150D509D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Yep, if is password protected, the password is part of the connection string and needs to be 
at the start of pcstrDataSource.


On 19 Aug 2009 at 21:00, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> 
> hehehe, after this week running a kinky boot shop for young ladies sounds rather appealing.  I have to admit I am still looking at options on this (relinking tables, not kinky boots.. although now you mention it)....
> 
> One stupid issue I have bumped into is the code below doesn't work if the BE database is password protected... Duh! what genius came up with that??? Some days I really don't like MS Access at all!! :-/  Heresay on the Access List I am sure,
> 
> "shoe size ladies?"...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 8:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Naturally....
> 
> 
> That has got to be the most hilarious syntax I have ever seen. But if it
> works, then go for it. But it's a great excuse to give up computing and
> instead buy a ladies shoe store LOL.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Collins, Darryl <Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:
> 
> > Hah! As usual, after several days of struggling with this, I figure out
> > the solution about 2.4 minutes after I emailed the list.  Thanks for the
> > inspiration - that is what I say :)
> >
> > The magic syntax is
> > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", pcstrDataSource,
> > acTable, rsSP("sqlName"), rsSP("tblName"), False, True
> >
> > Where "pcstrDataSource" is the path and file name.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darry.
> >
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From jason at purplecone.com  Wed Aug 19 08:01:56 2009
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:01:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
Message-ID: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>

I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial information
from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a problem, someone on the
list will post a similar question and I am able to solve my problem.
Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my situation.

We have a printing software that controls student printing in the labs. This
is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the information is
contained in an Access database called "printSaver.mdb." Our problem is that
we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the UserNames, PINs, and
Balance from a specific table called Print. We don't want this Lab Monitors
to have direct access to the database and they not to have access to change
anything.

Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that uses OLE
to connect to the database. The following is that string.

Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz
print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny Write;Extended
Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet
OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global
Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New
Database Password="";Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False

The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes the
database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database remains
like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried changing the Mode=
but that didn't seem to help either.

Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is as
follows:

*Connection String:*
DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;

*Command Text:*
SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance
FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query` `Print
Query`

This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it sometimes
holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it keeps the database
Read Only around 10 seconds.

What can I do to extract this information without causing the database to go
Read Only.

Thanks so much!!!!
Jason Strickland
Network Administrator
Southeastern Community College


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 19 08:39:03 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:39:03 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
In-Reply-To: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8C0077.6020705@colbyconsulting.com>

Jason,

I am not going to answer your question directly as I have no expertise there and I also think that 
you are taking the long way around the farm.

First of all, a query has properties, and you can make a query read only.  I would suggest that you 
create a query in PrintSaver that pulls only the fields that you want Lab Monitors to see.  Make 
that query read-only, and then have lab monitors only have access to that query.  You could probably 
display the results of that query in a spreadsheet, but it might be easier to do it in Access and 
use an "in" clause in a query to directly reach into the database containing the query.

SELECT * FROM MyQuery IN 'X:\PrintSaver.MDB'

This would be a saved query in your mdb but there would be no linked table back to PrintSaver.

You could of course do the same thing and display the results in a spreadsheet if you are familiar 
with that route.  The fact that the query is read only will probably prevent placing any locks on 
the table, though I am not sure about that.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jason Strickland wrote:
> I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial information
> from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a problem, someone on the
> list will post a similar question and I am able to solve my problem.
> Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my situation.
> 
> We have a printing software that controls student printing in the labs. This
> is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the information is
> contained in an Access database called "printSaver.mdb." Our problem is that
> we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the UserNames, PINs, and
> Balance from a specific table called Print. We don't want this Lab Monitors
> to have direct access to the database and they not to have access to change
> anything.
> 
> Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that uses OLE
> to connect to the database. The following is that string.
> 
> Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz
> print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny Write;Extended
> Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet
> OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global
> Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New
> Database Password="";Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
> OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
> Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
> OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False
> 
> The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes the
> database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database remains
> like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried changing the Mode=
> but that didn't seem to help either.
> 
> Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is as
> follows:
> 
> *Connection String:*
> DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;
> 
> *Command Text:*
> SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance
> FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query` `Print
> Query`
> 
> This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it sometimes
> holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it keeps the database
> Read Only around 10 seconds.
> 
> What can I do to extract this information without causing the database to go
> Read Only.
> 
> Thanks so much!!!!
> Jason Strickland
> Network Administrator
> Southeastern Community College


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 19 08:47:54 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:47:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
In-Reply-To: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8C028A.19306.155CB412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Here's one possible solution. Use an Access database to display the info.

Create a new Access MDB.
Create a table to hold the required information (tblUserInfo with three fields 
Username,PIN,Balance)
Create a continuous form which displays this information (frmUserInfo)
Create an Autoexec macro which runs a Function on startup.

In the function do something like (air code, made need debugging):

Function Startup()

'Link to Print Table
DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access",  _
"\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb", acTable, _
 "Print", "tblPrint", False

'Clear existing data from local table
CurrentDb.Execute "Delete * from tblUserInfo"

'Populate local table
CurrentDB.Execute "Insert into tblUserInfo (Username,PIN.Balance) _
  & " SELECT UserName,PIN,Balance FROM tblPrint;"

'Delete Link
DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tblPrint

'Show data
Docmd.Openform("frmUserInfo"),,,,acFormReadOnly

End Function

Now every time you open MDB, it will link, get the current data, close the link and display 
the data in the continuous form.

On 19 Aug 2009 at 9:01, Jason Strickland wrote:

> I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial information
> from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a problem, someone on the
> list will post a similar question and I am able to solve my problem.
> Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my situation.
> 
> We have a printing software that controls student printing in the labs. This
> is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the information is
> contained in an Access database called "printSaver.mdb." Our problem is that
> we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the UserNames, PINs, and
> Balance from a specific table called Print. We don't want this Lab Monitors
> to have direct access to the database and they not to have access to change
> anything.
> 
> Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that uses OLE
> to connect to the database. The following is that string.
> 
> Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz
> print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny Write;Extended
> Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet
> OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global
> Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New
> Database Password="";Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
> OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
> Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
> OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False
> 
> The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes the
> database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database remains
> like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried changing the Mode=
> but that didn't seem to help either.
> 
> Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is as
> follows:
> 
> *Connection String:*
> DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;
> 
> *Command Text:*
> SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance
> FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query` `Print
> Query`
> 
> This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it sometimes
> holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it keeps the database
> Read Only around 10 seconds.
> 
> What can I do to extract this information without causing the database to go
> Read Only.
> 
> Thanks so much!!!!
> Jason Strickland
> Network Administrator
> Southeastern Community College
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> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 19 08:49:34 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:49:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
In-Reply-To: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5E2E230EF6941A9B9A7C254840434D4@danwaters>

Hi Jason,

Instead of trying to log on to PrintSaver.mdb, how about if the lab monitors
have their own LabMonitor.mdb Access file?

When LabMonitor.mdb opens, and AutoExec macro can trigger code to run which
will just copy the data from PrintSaver.mdb to LabMonitor.mdb.  Then the
data can be displayed as a datasheet or in a form.

You won't need to create a table link back to PrintSaver.mdb.  Instead, you
can use the IN method, like this:


stgSQL = "DELETE * FROM tblLabMonitorData"
docmd.setwarnings = false
docmd.runsql stgSQL
docmd.setwarnings = true

stgPath = "\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\PrintSaver.mdb"
SELECT Owner, PIN, Balance FROM tblPrintSaverData IN '" & stgPath & "'"
Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg, dbopensnapshot)
Do While rst.EOF = False

	'Fill tblLabMonitorData here

	rst.movenext
Loop


Be sure to use the single apostrophes around stgPath!

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB

I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial information
from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a problem, someone on the
list will post a similar question and I am able to solve my problem.
Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my situation.

We have a printing software that controls student printing in the labs. This
is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the information is
contained in an Access database called "printSaver.mdb." Our problem is that
we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the UserNames, PINs, and
Balance from a specific table called Print. We don't want this Lab Monitors
to have direct access to the database and they not to have access to change
anything.

Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that uses OLE
to connect to the database. The following is that string.

Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz
print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny Write;Extended
Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet
OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global
Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New
Database Password="";Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False

The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes the
database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database remains
like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried changing the Mode=
but that didn't seem to help either.

Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is as
follows:

*Connection String:*
DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;

*Command Text:*
SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance
FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query` `Print
Query`

This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it sometimes
holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it keeps the database
Read Only around 10 seconds.

What can I do to extract this information without causing the database to go
Read Only.

Thanks so much!!!!
Jason Strickland
Network Administrator
Southeastern Community College
-- 
AccessD mailing list
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http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 19 08:52:15 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:52:15 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB (better code)
In-Reply-To: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD70500E81947A1AA5DD935EEDB7D43@danwaters>

Hi Jason,

Instead of trying to log on to PrintSaver.mdb, how about if the lab monitors
have their own LabMonitor.mdb Access file?

When LabMonitor.mdb opens, and AutoExec macro can trigger code to run which
will just copy the data from PrintSaver.mdb to LabMonitor.mdb.  Then the
data can be displayed as a datasheet or in a form.

You won't need to create a table link back to PrintSaver.mdb.  Instead, you
can use the IN method, like this:


stgSQL = "DELETE * FROM tblLabMonitorData"
docmd.setwarnings = false
docmd.runsql stgSQL
docmd.setwarnings = true

stgPath = "\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\PrintSaver.mdb"
stg = "SELECT Owner, PIN, Balance FROM tblPrintSaverData IN '" & stgPath &
"'"
Set rst = CurrentDB.OpenRecordset(stg, dbopensnapshot) Do While rst.EOF =
False

	'Fill tblLabMonitorData here

	rst.movenext
Loop


Be sure to use the single apostrophes around stgPath!

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:02 AM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB

I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial information
from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a problem, someone on the
list will post a similar question and I am able to solve my problem.
Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my situation.

We have a printing software that controls student printing in the labs. This
is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the information is
contained in an Access database called "printSaver.mdb." Our problem is that
we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the UserNames, PINs, and
Balance from a specific table called Print. We don't want this Lab Monitors
to have direct access to the database and they not to have access to change
anything.

Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that uses OLE
to connect to the database. The following is that string.

Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz
print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny Write;Extended
Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet
OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global
Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New
Database Password="";Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False

The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes the
database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database remains
like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried changing the Mode=
but that didn't seem to help either.

Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is as
follows:

*Connection String:*
DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;

*Command Text:*
SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance
FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query` `Print
Query`

This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it sometimes
holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it keeps the database
Read Only around 10 seconds.

What can I do to extract this information without causing the database to go
Read Only.

Thanks so much!!!!
Jason Strickland
Network Administrator
Southeastern Community College
-- 
AccessD mailing list
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 19 10:49:36 2009
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:49:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering a screen
In-Reply-To: <CAD70500E81947A1AA5DD935EEDB7D43@danwaters>
Message-ID: <605107.23376.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good Morning,
?
I am filtering the records on the screen with the following code:
?
If Me.cboCustomerHead.Column(0) = "" Then
??????? Me.FilterOn = False
??? Else
??????? Me.Filter = "tblCustomerToOwner.Customer = '" & Me.cboCustomerHead.Column(0) & "'"
??????? Me.FilterOn = True
??? End If
?
This works great but sometimes the item in the cboCustomerHead has a single quote in which then causes an erorr.? Does anyone know how I can filter using an item with a single quote?
?
Thanks!
?
Dale


      

From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 19 10:59:55 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:59:55 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering a screen
In-Reply-To: <605107.23376.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <CAD70500E81947A1AA5DD935EEDB7D43@danwaters>
	<605107.23376.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <624876E713364B11971F2ACFA34C64B0@danwaters>

Try using Replace like this,

X = Replace(Me.cboCustomerHead.Column(0),"'", "''")

This replaces one apostrophe with two, which will hopefully prevent the
error.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering a screen

Good Morning,
?
I am filtering the records on the screen with the following code:
?
If Me.cboCustomerHead.Column(0) = "" Then
??????? Me.FilterOn = False
??? Else
??????? Me.Filter = "tblCustomerToOwner.Customer = '" &
Me.cboCustomerHead.Column(0) & "'"
??????? Me.FilterOn = True
??? End If
?
This works great but sometimes the item in the cboCustomerHead has a single
quote in which then causes an erorr.? Does anyone know how I can filter
using an item with a single quote?
?
Thanks!
?
Dale


      
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 19 11:28:04 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:28:04 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - (In Recovery)
Message-ID: <4A8C2814.8080901@colbyconsulting.com>

What does (in recovery) mean when next to a database name in the management studio.

I have two databases that show (in recovery).  One if them I was actually working in, the other I 
wasn't.

I am not finding anything on Google that explains what it means.
-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 19 11:32:11 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:32:11 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - (In Recovery)
In-Reply-To: <4A8C2814.8080901@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A8C2814.8080901@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD09@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

It means the database has joined a 12-step program ... Sorry, I couldn't
resist!

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:28 AM
To: Dba-Sqlserver; Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - (In Recovery)

What does (in recovery) mean when next to a database name in the
management studio.

I have two databases that show (in recovery).  One if them I was
actually working in, the other I wasn't.

I am not finding anything on Google that explains what it means.
--
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www.ColbyConsulting.com
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 19 11:44:34 2009
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:44:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering a screen
In-Reply-To: <624876E713364B11971F2ACFA34C64B0@danwaters>
Message-ID: <786105.70756.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

that worked - thanks!

--- On Wed, 8/19/09, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:


From: Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Filtering a screen
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 10:59 AM


Try using Replace like this,

X = Replace(Me.cboCustomerHead.Column(0),"'", "''")

This replaces one apostrophe with two, which will hopefully prevent the
error.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:50 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Filtering a screen

Good Morning,
?
I am filtering the records on the screen with the following code:
?
If Me.cboCustomerHead.Column(0) = "" Then
??????? Me.FilterOn = False
??? Else
??????? Me.Filter = "tblCustomerToOwner.Customer = '" &
Me.cboCustomerHead.Column(0) & "'"
??????? Me.FilterOn = True
??? End If
?
This works great but sometimes the item in the cboCustomerHead has a single
quote in which then causes an erorr.? Does anyone know how I can filter
using an item with a single quote?
?
Thanks!
?
Dale


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Wed Aug 19 11:46:48 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:46:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - (In Recovery)
In-Reply-To: <4A8C2814.8080901@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A79@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Sounds like something became 'corrupt', and it's going back through the
transaction logs to make sure everything is ok.

Of course, it may have picked up a few bad habits, as Charlotte
mentioned...are you using natural or surrogate keys?  Natural keys would
be sure to make any server side db take up the bottle.... ;)

Drew

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Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 11:28 AM
To: Dba-Sqlserver; Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - (In Recovery)

What does (in recovery) mean when next to a database name in the
management studio.

I have two databases that show (in recovery).  One if them I was
actually working in, the other I 
wasn't.

I am not finding anything on Google that explains what it means.
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 19 12:09:57 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:09:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - (In Recovery)
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD09@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <4A8C2814.8080901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD09@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4A8C31E5.50702@colbyconsulting.com>

Hi, I'm SqlServer and I am addicted to cpu cycles, memory and disk space...

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> It means the database has joined a 12-step program ... Sorry, I couldn't
> resist!
> 
> Charlotte 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:28 AM
> To: Dba-Sqlserver; Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - (In Recovery)
> 
> What does (in recovery) mean when next to a database name in the
> management studio.
> 
> I have two databases that show (in recovery).  One if them I was
> actually working in, the other I wasn't.
> 
> I am not finding anything on Google that explains what it means.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug 19 12:15:34 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:15:34 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook Automation Problem
Message-ID: <6C5124822DEC430AA60C220023BEC2EE@HAL9005>

Dear List:

A user is having a problem generating an email from an Access app that was
working. Don't know why it got hosed but:

Run Time Error - 2147319779 (8002801d) Automation Error Library Not
Registered.

Click Debug 

Highlighted line: set myolApp = CreateObject ("Outlook.Application")

where myolApp is DIMmed as Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application

Outlook 11.0 Object Library is checked.

The user just uninstalled and reinstalled Office 2003. What could be the
problem? What library needs to be registered? And how do I do that?

The problem is particular to this machine. Another machine in the network
can do it.

MTIA,

Rocky




From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Wed Aug 19 12:25:43 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:25:43 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook Automation Problem
In-Reply-To: <6C5124822DEC430AA60C220023BEC2EE@HAL9005>
References: <6C5124822DEC430AA60C220023BEC2EE@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A2FDB45@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Looks like there's a registry fix for this. See...

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/9128583b-ddb6-4628-8085-1e6849f35c7f

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook Automation Problem

Dear List:

A user is having a problem generating an email from an Access app that was working. Don't know why it got hosed but:

Run Time Error - 2147319779 (8002801d) Automation Error Library Not Registered.

Click Debug 

Highlighted line: set myolApp = CreateObject ("Outlook.Application")

where myolApp is DIMmed as Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application

Outlook 11.0 Object Library is checked.

The user just uninstalled and reinstalled Office 2003. What could be the problem? What library needs to be registered? And how do I do that?

The problem is particular to this machine. Another machine in the network can do it.

MTIA,

Rocky


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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 12:26:23 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:26:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - (In Recovery)
In-Reply-To: <4A8C31E5.50702@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A8C2814.8080901@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD09@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<4A8C31E5.50702@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00908191026re688b2bve4cd601b891098a0@mail.gmail.com>

I love the recovery ability. QA (SQL 2000) didn't have that ability.

Its similar to Word's recovery if your computer lost power and you open up
Word, your last document is available as a "recovery".

This happened to me the other night while I was VPN'd to my work computer.
I was pulling an all nighter, couldn't keep my eyes open after 3AM so I went
to bed (without saving).

Came in to work and noticed my computer had reboot (I had left all of my
files open).

I was so pissed! then when I opened SS Management Studio, it opened all of
my tabs as recovered files.

In the words of Jeff Spicoli "That was totally awesome!" :)

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>wrote:

> Hi, I'm SqlServer and I am addicted to cpu cycles, memory and disk space...
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com <http://www.colbyconsulting.com/>
>
>
>  Charlotte Foust wrote:
> > It means the database has joined a 12-step program ... Sorry, I couldn't
> > resist!
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 9:28 AM
> > To: Dba-Sqlserver; Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server - (In Recovery)
> >
> > What does (in recovery) mean when next to a database name in the
> > management studio.
> >
> > I have two databases that show (in recovery).  One if them I was
> > actually working in, the other I wasn't.
> >
> > I am not finding anything on Google that explains what it means.
> > --
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug 19 12:32:13 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:32:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook Automation Problem
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A2FDB45@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <6C5124822DEC430AA60C220023BEC2EE@HAL9005>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A2FDB45@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <99C3D756F6F9486EA6DD6E8DB3976C72@HAL9005>

Sounds like exactly what's going on with that user's machine.  Thanks.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 10:26 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Outlook Automation Problem

Looks like there's a registry fix for this. See...

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vbgeneral/thread/9128583b-ddb6
-4628-8085-1e6849f35c7f

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 1:16 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Outlook Automation Problem

Dear List:

A user is having a problem generating an email from an Access app that was
working. Don't know why it got hosed but:

Run Time Error - 2147319779 (8002801d) Automation Error Library Not
Registered.

Click Debug 

Highlighted line: set myolApp = CreateObject ("Outlook.Application")

where myolApp is DIMmed as Dim myolApp As Outlook.Application

Outlook 11.0 Object Library is checked.

The user just uninstalled and reinstalled Office 2003. What could be the
problem? What library needs to be registered? And how do I do that?

The problem is particular to this machine. Another machine in the network
can do it.

MTIA,

Rocky


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From jason at purplecone.com  Wed Aug 19 14:27:06 2009
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:27:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
In-Reply-To: <4A8C028A.19306.155CB412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A8C028A.19306.155CB412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <509be5d70908191227q26999925q63c1c1daf241d242@mail.gmail.com>

Thank ya'll so very much. I used a combination of all replies in order to
get this done. The problem is that it was causing the main database file to
become Read Only.
Again! I wouldn't have figured it out without your help. Please keep this
list alive :)

Jason

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Here's one possible solution. Use an Access database to display the info.
>
> Create a new Access MDB.
> Create a table to hold the required information (tblUserInfo with three
> fields
> Username,PIN,Balance)
> Create a continuous form which displays this information (frmUserInfo)
> Create an Autoexec macro which runs a Function on startup.
>
> In the function do something like (air code, made need debugging):
>
> Function Startup()
>
> 'Link to Print Table
> DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access",  _
> "\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb", acTable, _
>  "Print", "tblPrint", False
>
> 'Clear existing data from local table
> CurrentDb.Execute "Delete * from tblUserInfo"
>
> 'Populate local table
> CurrentDB.Execute "Insert into tblUserInfo (Username,PIN.Balance) _
>  & " SELECT UserName,PIN,Balance FROM tblPrint;"
>
> 'Delete Link
> DoCmd.DeleteObject acTable, tblPrint
>
> 'Show data
> Docmd.Openform("frmUserInfo"),,,,acFormReadOnly
>
> End Function
>
> Now every time you open MDB, it will link, get the current data, close the
> link and display
> the data in the continuous form.
>
> On 19 Aug 2009 at 9:01, Jason Strickland wrote:
>
> > I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial information
> > from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a problem, someone on
> the
> > list will post a similar question and I am able to solve my problem.
> > Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my
> situation.
> >
> > We have a printing software that controls student printing in the labs.
> This
> > is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the information is
> > contained in an Access database called "printSaver.mdb." Our problem is
> that
> > we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the UserNames, PINs, and
> > Balance from a specific table called Print. We don't want this Lab
> Monitors
> > to have direct access to the database and they not to have access to
> change
> > anything.
> >
> > Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that uses
> OLE
> > to connect to the database. The following is that string.
> >
> > Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data
> Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz
> > print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny Write;Extended
> > Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet
> > OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global
> > Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New
> > Database Password="";Jet OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet
> > OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on
> > Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet
> > OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False
> >
> > The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes the
> > database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database remains
> > like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried changing the
> Mode=
> > but that didn't seem to help either.
> >
> > Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is as
> > follows:
> >
> > *Connection String:*
> > DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> > Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> > Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;
> >
> > *Command Text:*
> > SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance
> > FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query`
> `Print
> > Query`
> >
> > This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it sometimes
> > holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it keeps the
> database
> > Read Only around 10 seconds.
> >
> > What can I do to extract this information without causing the database to
> go
> > Read Only.
> >
> > Thanks so much!!!!
> > Jason Strickland
> > Network Administrator
> > Southeastern Community College
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Aug 19 16:05:12 2009
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:05:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Importing excel 2007 data with a query
In-Reply-To: <509be5d70908191227q26999925q63c1c1daf241d242@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com><4A8C028A.19306.155CB412@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
	<509be5d70908191227q26999925q63c1c1daf241d242@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40AFA69E72074A42B62303E1EC257EC6@murphy3234aaf1>


Folks,

I have to bring information into a database from excel files. The idea is to
let the user put the file into a directory, hit a button in the datatabase
and a query runs that will inport predefined cells into a temp table. The
Excel file and temp table have given structures. I have done this before in
Access 2002 with no problem. Now we are in 2007 and it does not work.  Here
is the sample query text:

SELECT * FROM [Excel 12.0 Xml;HDR=YES;IMEX=2;ACCDB=YES;DATABASE=C:\Documents
and Settings\Doug\My Documents\CCARTA\;].[SC.xlsx] AS T;

When this query is run I get the error "the microsoft access database engine
cannot open or write to the file .... It is already opened exclusively by
another user or you need permission to view and write the its data."

Any idea where the problem is? I can link to the excel file and that may be
the easiest way to do this. I was trying to make this whole process dynamic.

Thanks

Doug



From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Wed Aug 19 18:48:00 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:48:00 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
In-Reply-To: <509be5d70908190601x1d37d500wf6622fe289348b78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793F0@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>

Jason,

Would just pulling the data you need in Excel as a fixed recordset work
for you?  I could be updated as often as you wanted and would not
involve locking the .mdb at all.

I have code that can do that if you are interested.  The demo code comes
in two flavours. You can have Excel doing all the pulling, or Access
doing all the pushing. Up to you.

Cheers
Darryl 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason
Strickland
Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 11:02 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB

I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial
information from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a
problem, someone on the list will post a similar question and I am able
to solve my problem.
Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my
situation.

We have a printing software that controls student printing in the labs.
This is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the
information is contained in an Access database called "printSaver.mdb."
Our problem is that we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the
UserNames, PINs, and Balance from a specific table called Print. We
don't want this Lab Monitors to have direct access to the database and
they not to have access to change anything.

Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that uses
OLE to connect to the database. The following is that string.

Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data
Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny
Write;Extended Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet
OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database
Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global Bulk
Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database Password="";Jet OLEDB:Create
System Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't
Copy Locale on Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica
Repair=False;Jet OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False

The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes
the database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database
remains like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried
changing the Mode= but that didn't seem to help either.

Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is as
follows:

*Connection String:*
DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;

*Command Text:*
SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance
FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query`
`Print Query`

This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it sometimes
holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it keeps the
database Read Only around 10 seconds.

What can I do to extract this information without causing the database
to go Read Only.

Thanks so much!!!!
Jason Strickland
Network Administrator
Southeastern Community College
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From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Wed Aug 19 19:11:54 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:11:54 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Naturally....
In-Reply-To: <4A8BEE37.2259.150D509D@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793F1@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>


Aaaah, In the cool clear light of the morning I have finally got this
working elegantly and as expected (including BE Password protection
integrity).

'-------------------------------------
            strConnect = "MS Access" _
                & ";PWD=" & pcstrPW & "" _
                & ";DATABASE=" & pcstrDataSource
        
            With CurrentDb
                Set tdf = .CreateTableDef(rsSP("tblName"))
                tdf.Connect = strConnect
                tdf.SourceTableName = rsSP("sqlName")
                .TableDefs.Append tdf
            End With
-----------------------------------------

Much nicer.  Thanks everyone for the feedback.

Cheers
Darryl.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 10:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Naturally....

Yep, if is password protected, the password is part of the connection
string and needs to be at the start of pcstrDataSource.


On 19 Aug 2009 at 21:00, Darryl Collins wrote:

> 
> 
> hehehe, after this week running a kinky boot shop for young ladies
sounds rather appealing.  I have to admit I am still looking at options
on this (relinking tables, not kinky boots.. although now you mention
it)....
> 
> One stupid issue I have bumped into is the code below doesn't work if
the BE database is password protected... Duh! what genius came up with
that??? Some days I really don't like MS Access at all!! :-/  Heresay on
the Access List I am sure,
> 
> "shoe size ladies?"...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Arthur
Fuller
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 8:28 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Naturally....
> 
> 
> That has got to be the most hilarious syntax I have ever seen. But if
it
> works, then go for it. But it's a great excuse to give up computing
and
> instead buy a ladies shoe store LOL.
> 
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:37 AM, Collins, Darryl
<Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:
> 
> > Hah! As usual, after several days of struggling with this, I figure
out
> > the solution about 2.4 minutes after I emailed the list.  Thanks for
the
> > inspiration - that is what I say :)
> >
> > The magic syntax is
> > DoCmd.TransferDatabase acLink, "Microsoft Access", pcstrDataSource,
> > acTable, rsSP("sqlName"), rsSP("tblName"), False, True
> >
> > Where "pcstrDataSource" is the path and file name.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darry.
> >
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From jason at purplecone.com  Wed Aug 19 20:54:30 2009
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:54:30 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
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Darryl, if you wouldn't sharing, I would look into doing this. We have done
the Database solution right now but it involved changing a few permissions
on the Active Directory share. From my boss' point of view, he'd rather see
Excel pull the data.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Collins, Darryl <Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Would just pulling the data you need in Excel as a fixed recordset work
> for you?  I could be updated as often as you wanted and would not
> involve locking the .mdb at all.
>
> I have code that can do that if you are interested.  The demo code comes
> in two flavours. You can have Excel doing all the pulling, or Access
> doing all the pushing. Up to you.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason
> Strickland
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 11:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
>
> I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial
> information from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a
> problem, someone on the list will post a similar question and I am able
> to solve my problem.
> Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my
> situation.
>
> We have a printing software that controls student printing in the labs.
> This is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the
> information is contained in an Access database called "printSaver.mdb."
> Our problem is that we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the
> UserNames, PINs, and Balance from a specific table called Print. We
> don't want this Lab Monitors to have direct access to the database and
> they not to have access to change anything.
>
> Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that uses
> OLE to connect to the database. The following is that string.
>
> Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data
> Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny
> Write;Extended Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet
> OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database
> Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global Bulk
> Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database Password="";Jet OLEDB:Create
> System Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Encrypt Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't
> Copy Locale on Compact=False;Jet OLEDB:Compact Without Replica
> Repair=False;Jet OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False
>
> The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes
> the database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database
> remains like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried
> changing the Mode= but that didn't seem to help either.
>
> Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is as
> follows:
>
> *Connection String:*
> DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;
>
> *Command Text:*
> SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance
> FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query`
> `Print Query`
>
> This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it sometimes
> holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it keeps the
> database Read Only around 10 seconds.
>
> What can I do to extract this information without causing the database
> to go Read Only.
>
> Thanks so much!!!!
> Jason Strickland
> Network Administrator
> Southeastern Community College
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From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Wed Aug 19 21:02:34 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:02:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
In-Reply-To: <509be5d70908191854k433a6e7blf8f0f452f79e89d9@mail.gmail.com>
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Cool, either way works, as I don't have internet access right now I
cannot send you the exact link.

Have a look at www.excelyourbusiness.com.au and under the excel section
for "move data from access to excel" or similar.  The website was
originally built for me to have somewhere to store all the bits and
pieces I had collected over the years, it is not that well organised for
the public... :-/  work in progress you see...

If you cannot find it, email back and I can the direct link tonight from
a different PC with internet access.

Cheers
darryl
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason
Strickland
Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB

Darryl, if you wouldn't sharing, I would look into doing this. We have
done the Database solution right now but it involved changing a few
permissions on the Active Directory share. From my boss' point of view,
he'd rather see Excel pull the data.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Collins, Darryl
<Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Would just pulling the data you need in Excel as a fixed recordset 
> work for you?  I could be updated as often as you wanted and would not

> involve locking the .mdb at all.
>
> I have code that can do that if you are interested.  The demo code 
> comes in two flavours. You can have Excel doing all the pulling, or 
> Access doing all the pushing. Up to you.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason 
> Strickland
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 11:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
>
> I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial 
> information from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a 
> problem, someone on the list will post a similar question and I am 
> able to solve my problem.
> Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my 
> situation.
>
> We have a printing software that controls student printing in the
labs.
> This is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the 
> information is contained in an Access database called
"printSaver.mdb."
> Our problem is that we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the

> UserNames, PINs, and Balance from a specific table called Print. We 
> don't want this Lab Monitors to have direct access to the database and

> they not to have access to change anything.
>
> Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that 
> uses OLE to connect to the database. The following is that string.
>
> Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data 
> Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny

> Write;Extended Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet 
> OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database 
> Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global 
> Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database Password="";Jet 
> OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Encrypt 
> Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on Compact=False;Jet 
> OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet 
> OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False
>
> The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes 
> the database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database 
> remains like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried 
> changing the Mode= but that didn't seem to help either.
>
> Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is 
> as
> follows:
>
> *Connection String:*
> DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job 
> Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job 
> Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;
>
> *Command Text:*
> SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance 
> FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query` 
> `Print Query`
>
> This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it 
> sometimes holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it 
> keeps the database Read Only around 10 seconds.
>
> What can I do to extract this information without causing the database

> to go Read Only.
>
> Thanks so much!!!!
> Jason Strickland
> Network Administrator
> Southeastern Community College
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From jason at purplecone.com  Wed Aug 19 22:48:29 2009
From: jason at purplecone.com (Jason Strickland)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 23:48:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
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	<6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793F7@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
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Thanks, I see both access->excel and excel->access. Will look at them a
little closer in the morning. Gonna bookmark that site :)

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Collins, Darryl <Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:

>
> Cool, either way works, as I don't have internet access right now I
> cannot send you the exact link.
>
> Have a look at www.excelyourbusiness.com.au and under the excel section
> for "move data from access to excel" or similar.  The website was
> originally built for me to have somewhere to store all the bits and
> pieces I had collected over the years, it is not that well organised for
> the public... :-/  work in progress you see...
>
> If you cannot find it, email back and I can the direct link tonight from
> a different PC with internet access.
>
> Cheers
> darryl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason
> Strickland
> Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 11:55 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
>
> Darryl, if you wouldn't sharing, I would look into doing this. We have
> done the Database solution right now but it involved changing a few
> permissions on the Active Directory share. From my boss' point of view,
> he'd rather see Excel pull the data.
>
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Collins, Darryl
> <Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:
>
> > Jason,
> >
> > Would just pulling the data you need in Excel as a fixed recordset
> > work for you?  I could be updated as often as you wanted and would not
>
> > involve locking the .mdb at all.
> >
> > I have code that can do that if you are interested.  The demo code
> > comes in two flavours. You can have Excel doing all the pulling, or
> > Access doing all the pushing. Up to you.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Darryl
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason
> > Strickland
> > Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 11:02 PM
> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> > Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
> >
> > I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial
> > information from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a
> > problem, someone on the list will post a similar question and I am
> > able to solve my problem.
> > Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my
> > situation.
> >
> > We have a printing software that controls student printing in the
> labs.
> > This is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the
> > information is contained in an Access database called
> "printSaver.mdb."
> > Our problem is that we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the
>
> > UserNames, PINs, and Balance from a specific table called Print. We
> > don't want this Lab Monitors to have direct access to the database and
>
> > they not to have access to change anything.
> >
> > Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that
> > uses OLE to connect to the database. The following is that string.
> >
> > Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data
> > Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny
>
> > Write;Extended Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet
> > OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database
> > Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global
> > Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database Password="";Jet
> > OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Encrypt
> > Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on Compact=False;Jet
> > OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet
> > OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False
> >
> > The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes
> > the database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database
> > remains like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried
> > changing the Mode= but that didn't seem to help either.
> >
> > Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is
> > as
> > follows:
> >
> > *Connection String:*
> > DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> > Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job
> > Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;
> >
> > *Command Text:*
> > SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance
> > FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query`
> > `Print Query`
> >
> > This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it
> > sometimes holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it
> > keeps the database Read Only around 10 seconds.
> >
> > What can I do to extract this information without causing the database
>
> > to go Read Only.
> >
> > Thanks so much!!!!
> > Jason Strickland
> > Network Administrator
> > Southeastern Community College
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> >
> > "This e-mail and any attachments to it (the "Communication") is,
> > unless otherwise stated, confidential,  may contain copyright material
>
> > and is for the use only of the intended recipient. If you receive the
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>
> > e-mail, delete the Communication and the return e-mail, and do not
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> > in the Communication are those of the individual sender only, unless
> > expressly stated to be those of Australia and New Zealand Banking
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> > including ANZ National Bank Limited (together "ANZ"). ANZ does not
> > accept liability in connection with the integrity of or errors in the
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>
>
>
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From dw-murphy at cox.net  Wed Aug 19 23:08:10 2009
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 21:08:10 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
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	<6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793F7@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
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Darryl,

Got it. Thanks. I'll give it a shot. Interesting the you used esentially the
same connection criteria that I used in my query. I'll see if it works in
07.

Thanks again.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Collins, Darryl
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB


Cool, either way works, as I don't have internet access right now I cannot
send you the exact link.

Have a look at www.excelyourbusiness.com.au and under the excel section for
"move data from access to excel" or similar.  The website was originally
built for me to have somewhere to store all the bits and pieces I had
collected over the years, it is not that well organised for the public...
:-/  work in progress you see...

If you cannot find it, email back and I can the direct link tonight from a
different PC with internet access.

Cheers
darryl
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB

Darryl, if you wouldn't sharing, I would look into doing this. We have done
the Database solution right now but it involved changing a few permissions
on the Active Directory share. From my boss' point of view, he'd rather see
Excel pull the data.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Collins, Darryl
<Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Would just pulling the data you need in Excel as a fixed recordset 
> work for you?  I could be updated as often as you wanted and would not

> involve locking the .mdb at all.
>
> I have code that can do that if you are interested.  The demo code 
> comes in two flavours. You can have Excel doing all the pulling, or 
> Access doing all the pushing. Up to you.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason 
> Strickland
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 11:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
>
> I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial 
> information from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a 
> problem, someone on the list will post a similar question and I am 
> able to solve my problem.
> Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my 
> situation.
>
> We have a printing software that controls student printing in the
labs.
> This is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the 
> information is contained in an Access database called
"printSaver.mdb."
> Our problem is that we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the

> UserNames, PINs, and Balance from a specific table called Print. We 
> don't want this Lab Monitors to have direct access to the database and

> they not to have access to change anything.
>
> Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that 
> uses OLE to connect to the database. The following is that string.
>
> Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data 
> Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny

> Write;Extended Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet 
> OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database 
> Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global 
> Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database Password="";Jet 
> OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Encrypt 
> Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on Compact=False;Jet 
> OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet 
> OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False
>
> The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes 
> the database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database 
> remains like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried 
> changing the Mode= but that didn't seem to help either.
>
> Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is 
> as
> follows:
>
> *Connection String:*
> DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job 
> Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job 
> Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;
>
> *Command Text:*
> SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance 
> FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query` 
> `Print Query`
>
> This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it 
> sometimes holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it 
> keeps the database Read Only around 10 seconds.
>
> What can I do to extract this information without causing the database

> to go Read Only.
>
> Thanks so much!!!!
> Jason Strickland
> Network Administrator
> Southeastern Community College
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 06:19:59 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:19:59 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Message-ID: <200908201020.n7KAK4Eg018165@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi folks
Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not corrupt
in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is still
huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?

And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.

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From paul.hartland at googlemail.com  Thu Aug 20 05:31:15 2009
From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:31:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <200908201020.n7KAK4Eg018165@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200908201020.n7KAK4Eg018165@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <38c884770908200331w16e44378vead86858dd8a93b@mail.gmail.com>

Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was applied
to the table then saved.  I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
> still
> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 06:42:37 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:42:37 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Message-ID: <200908201042.n7KAgixf025054@databaseadvisors.com>

Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I think
the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or am
I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was applied
to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
> still
> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
> --
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From robert at servicexp.com  Thu Aug 20 06:27:57 2009
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:27:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <200908201042.n7KAgixf025054@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200908201042.n7KAgixf025054@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <001301ca2189$45043420$cf0c9c60$@com>

Andy,
  I think you may be in a bit of trouble...

Take a look at....

http://allenbrowne.com/xbase-06.html


WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I think
the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or am
I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was applied
to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
> still
> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Thu Aug 20 06:35:23 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 21:35:23 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <200908201042.n7KAgixf025054@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA33933E@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>


Andy...  My feeling on this is the data is probably gone... I hope I am wrong but....

regards
Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 9:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records


Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I think
the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or am
I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was applied
to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
> still
> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From dkalsow at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 06:40:34 2009
From: dkalsow at yahoo.com (Dale Kalsow)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
In-Reply-To: <786105.70756.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <26576.439.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have been evualating ribbon creators and like IDBE ribbon creator.? Does anyone have a preferance?? Is there a free one out their some place?
?
Thanks
?
Dale


      

From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 08:41:21 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:41:21 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Message-ID: <200908201241.n7KCfODu029251@databaseadvisors.com>

Aah. That's not good. Thanks anyway Robert.

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 11:31


Andy,
I think you may be in a bit of trouble...

Take a look at....

http://allenbrowne.com/xbase-06.html


WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I think
the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or am
I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was applied
to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
> still
> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 08:42:27 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:42:27 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Message-ID: <200908201242.n7KCgUAb029440@databaseadvisors.com>

Yea looks that way. It's the backup tape or nowt then. Cheers Darryl.

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--------- Original Message --------
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 11:38



Andy... My feeling on this is the data is probably gone... I hope I am wrong
but....

regards
Darryl

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 9:43 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records


Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I think
the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or am
I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was applied
to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
> still
> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
> --
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> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From garykjos at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 08:13:49 2009
From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:13:49 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <200908201241.n7KCfODu029251@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200908201241.n7KCfODu029251@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <aea6c4950908200613j76618818x5a11742d10b403c4@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't used it so I can't endourse it, but this product claims to do this

http://www.accessfix.com/

GK


On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Andy Lacey<andy at minstersystems.co.uk> wrote:
> Aah. That's not good. Thanks anyway Robert.
>
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>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
> Date: 20/08/09 11:31
>
>
> Andy,
> I think you may be in a bit of trouble...
>
> Take a look at....
>
> http://allenbrowne.com/xbase-06.html
>
>
> WBR
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:43 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
>
> Hi Paul
>
> Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I think
> the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
> compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or am
> I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
> Date: 20/08/09 10:33
>
>
> Andy,
>
> I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was applied
> to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
> importing the table into that to see what you get ?
>
> Paul
>
> 2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
>
>> Hi folks
>> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
>> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
> corrupt
>> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
>> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
>> still
>> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>>
>> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
>> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
>> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Thu Aug 20 08:22:49 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:22:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <001301ca2189$45043420$cf0c9c60$@com>
References: <200908201042.n7KAgixf025054@databaseadvisors.com>
	<001301ca2189$45043420$cf0c9c60$@com>
Message-ID: <6210E45658CD44C8A2911C49B5744AE0@XPS>


  Your not interpreting that quite right.  All he is saying is that through
he DBMS, you cannot go in and un-delete a record like you can with dBase.
Records are still on the pages until the page is re-written.

  Of course you'd get a lot of other junk as well because if you read the
page to recover it, you're going to get everything deleted prior to this as
well.

  A recovery service is worth a shot...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Andy,
  I think you may be in a bit of trouble...

Take a look at....

http://allenbrowne.com/xbase-06.html


WBR
Robert


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I think
the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or am
I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was applied
to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
> still
> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
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From john at winhaven.net  Thu Aug 20 08:58:56 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:58:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <200908201020.n7KAK4Eg018165@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200908201020.n7KAK4Eg018165@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <017501ca219e$5c11f2f0$1435d8d0$@net>

Hi Andy,
It took me a while to find this (I used it in 2004) but I success with a
similar situation. I had a DB showing 13 records. This service recovered the
10000 or so that were in it.
http://www.accessdatabaserepair.com/

It cost less than $100 at the time.

Best of luck and HTH
John B.


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:20 AM
To: Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Hi folks
Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not corrupt
in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is still
huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?

And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 10:46:07 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:46:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Message-ID: <200908201446.n7KEk9Bb032344@databaseadvisors.com>

Thanks JB, and they're Brits! I'll email them and see what they think.

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--------- Original Message --------
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To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 14:01


Hi Andy,
It took me a while to find this (I used it in 2004) but I success with a
similar situation. I had a DB showing 13 records. This service recovered the
10000 or so that were in it.
http://www.accessdatabaserepair.com/

It cost less than $100 at the time.

Best of luck and HTH
John B.


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 6:20 AM
To: Dba
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Hi folks
Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not corrupt
in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is still
huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?

And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.

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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 10:48:07 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:48:07 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Message-ID: <200908201448.n7KEm9h3032680@databaseadvisors.com>

I'll try their demo out. Thanks Gary.

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 13:16


I haven't used it so I can't endourse it, but this product claims to do this

http://www.accessfix.com/

GK


On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Andy Lacey<andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
wrote:
> Aah. That's not good. Thanks anyway Robert.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
> Date: 20/08/09 11:31
>
>
> Andy,
> I think you may be in a bit of trouble...
>
> Take a look at....
>
> http://allenbrowne.com/xbase-06.html
>
>
> WBR
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:43 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
>
> Hi Paul
>
> Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I
think
> the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
> compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or
am
> I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
> Date: 20/08/09 10:33
>
>
> Andy,
>
> I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was
applied
> to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
> importing the table into that to see what you get ?
>
> Paul
>
> 2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
>
>> Hi folks
>> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
>> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
> corrupt
>> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
>> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
>> still
>> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>>
>> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
>> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
>> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 10:56:51 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:56:51 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Message-ID: <200908201456.n7KEurmc003051@databaseadvisors.com>

Looks good. the demo version found 1700 deleted records and dispalyed them.
Can't do anything with them without paying, which is fair enough. I'll have
to wait now to see if the tape backup solution is going to be a goer. If not
I have a possible fall-back. Thanks a lot Gary. The list strikes again.

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 13:16


I haven't used it so I can't endourse it, but this product claims to do this

http://www.accessfix.com/

GK


On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:41 AM, Andy Lacey<andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
wrote:
> Aah. That's not good. Thanks anyway Robert.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
> Date: 20/08/09 11:31
>
>
> Andy,
> I think you may be in a bit of trouble...
>
> Take a look at....
>
> http://allenbrowne.com/xbase-06.html
>
>
> WBR
> Robert
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:43 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
>
> Hi Paul
>
> Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I
think
> the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
> compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or
am
> I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
>
>
> --------- Original Message --------
> From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
> Date: 20/08/09 10:33
>
>
> Andy,
>
> I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was
applied
> to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
> importing the table into that to see what you get ?
>
> Paul
>
> 2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>
>
>> Hi folks
>> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
>> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
> corrupt
>> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
>> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
>> still
>> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>>
>> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
>> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
>> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>>
>> --
>> Andy Lacey
>> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 20 10:39:29 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:39:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <200908201042.n7KAgixf025054@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <200908201042.n7KAgixf025054@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD4B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You're thinking of dBase.  Records weren't truly deleted there until you
packed the database.  In Access, gone is gone.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I
think the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's
not been compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be
undeleted. Or am I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

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--------- Original Message --------
From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was
applied to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new
MDB and importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or 
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should

> be hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size

> is still huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we 
> get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort 
> we're looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest 
> backup may not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
> --
> Andy Lacey
> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 20 10:40:56 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 08:40:56 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
In-Reply-To: <26576.439.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <786105.70756.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<26576.439.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Are you trying to start an argument, Dale?? LOL

Most of us stay as far away from the ribbons as we possibly can.  Maybe Steve can make a suggestion.

Charlotte Foust 

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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons

I have been evualating ribbon creators and like IDBE ribbon creator.? Does anyone have a preferance?? Is there a free one out their some place?
?
Thanks
?
Dale


      
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 20 11:51:54 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:51:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] determine count of records displayed in continuous form
Message-ID: <4A8D7F2A.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>

Is there a way to determine the count of records displayed in a continuous form.  By this I mean the 
number of records actually showing, not the count in the recordset behind the form.

I don't believe I have ever seen a way to do this but I thought I'd ask.

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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Aug 20 12:00:23 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:00:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] determine count of records displayed in continuous
 form
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References: <4A8D7F2A.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>
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I approach this from the other end: I *define* how many rows will be displayed by using this little routine....

Sub SetFormRows(f As Form, nRows As Integer)
Dim nFormFinalHeight As Long
Dim nSectionHeight As Long
    On Error Resume Next
    nSectionHeight = f.Section(acHeader).Height
    If Err.Number <> 0 Then
        nSectionHeight = 0
        Err.Clear
    End If
    nFormFinalHeight = nFormFinalHeight + nSectionHeight

    nSectionHeight = (f.Section(acDetail).Height * nRows)
    If Err.Number <> 0 Then
        nSectionHeight = 0
        Err.Clear
    End If
    nFormFinalHeight = nFormFinalHeight + nSectionHeight

    nSectionHeight = f.Section(acFooter).Height
    If Err.Number <> 0 Then
        nSectionHeight = 0
        Err.Clear
    End If
    nFormFinalHeight = nFormFinalHeight + nSectionHeight

    f.InsideHeight = nFormFinalHeight
    On Error GoTo 0    ' turn normal error trapping back on
End Sub

And I call the routine in the form's Load event...
	
	SetFormRows Me, 10


Lambert

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Subject: [AccessD] determine count of records displayed in continuous form

Is there a way to determine the count of records displayed in a continuous form.  By this I mean the number of records actually showing, not the count in the recordset behind the form.

I don't believe I have ever seen a way to do this but I thought I'd ask.

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 20 12:03:45 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:03:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] determine count of records displayed in continuous
 form
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References: <4A8D7F2A.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A8D81F1.6000505@colbyconsulting.com>

Lebans has a way to do this, in fact to find and return to the same position after a requery.

I have just started looking at it but it looks pretty cool.

http://www.lebans.com/setgetsb.htm

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


jwcolby wrote:
> Is there a way to determine the count of records displayed in a continuous form.  By this I mean the 
> number of records actually showing, not the count in the recordset behind the form.
> 
> I don't believe I have ever seen a way to do this but I thought I'd ask.
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 20 12:20:06 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:20:06 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] determine count of records displayed in continuous
 form
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A2FDCD9@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <4A8D7F2A.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>
	<B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A2FDCD9@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
Message-ID: <4A8D85C6.1060506@colbyconsulting.com>

Interesting.  Thanks!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Heenan, Lambert wrote:
> I approach this from the other end: I *define* how many rows will be displayed by using this little routine....
> 
> Sub SetFormRows(f As Form, nRows As Integer)
> Dim nFormFinalHeight As Long
> Dim nSectionHeight As Long
>     On Error Resume Next
>     nSectionHeight = f.Section(acHeader).Height
>     If Err.Number <> 0 Then
>         nSectionHeight = 0
>         Err.Clear
>     End If
>     nFormFinalHeight = nFormFinalHeight + nSectionHeight
> 
>     nSectionHeight = (f.Section(acDetail).Height * nRows)
>     If Err.Number <> 0 Then
>         nSectionHeight = 0
>         Err.Clear
>     End If
>     nFormFinalHeight = nFormFinalHeight + nSectionHeight
> 
>     nSectionHeight = f.Section(acFooter).Height
>     If Err.Number <> 0 Then
>         nSectionHeight = 0
>         Err.Clear
>     End If
>     nFormFinalHeight = nFormFinalHeight + nSectionHeight
> 
>     f.InsideHeight = nFormFinalHeight
>     On Error GoTo 0    ' turn normal error trapping back on
> End Sub
> 
> And I call the routine in the form's Load event...
> 	
> 	SetFormRows Me, 10
> 
> 
> Lambert
> 
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> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:52 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] determine count of records displayed in continuous form
> 
> Is there a way to determine the count of records displayed in a continuous form.  By this I mean the number of records actually showing, not the count in the recordset behind the form.
> 
> I don't believe I have ever seen a way to do this but I thought I'd ask.
> 
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From andy at minstersystems.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 12:39:11 2009
From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:39:11 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD4B@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <9C4E711624E54173B039F0792A1EA44A@MINSTER>

Not necessarily Charlotte. See other posts in the thread.

Andy

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 20 August 2009 16:39
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records


You're thinking of dBase.  Records weren't truly deleted there until you
packed the database.  In Access, gone is gone.

Charlotte Foust 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I
think the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's
not been compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be
undeleted. Or am I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was
applied to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new
MDB and importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or 
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should

> be hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size

> is still huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we 
> get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort 
> we're looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest 
> backup may not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 20 13:20:55 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:20:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <9C4E711624E54173B039F0792A1EA44A@MINSTER>
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Data recovery can be iffy.

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Not necessarily Charlotte. See other posts in the thread.

Andy

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: 20 August 2009 16:39
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records


You're thinking of dBase.  Records weren't truly deleted there until you
packed the database.  In Access, gone is gone.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I
think the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's
not been compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be
undeleted. Or am I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

--
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http://www.minstersystems.co.uk



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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was
applied to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new
MDB and importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or 
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should

> be hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size

> is still huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we 
> get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort 
> we're looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest 
> backup may not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
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> http://www.minstersystems.co.uk
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Thu Aug 20 13:39:41 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:39:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] determine count of records displayed in continuous
	form
In-Reply-To: <4A8D7F2A.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>
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Message-ID: <2E21FC22EECF46308482E08F06E2A3BE@danwaters>

If the form doesn't change height dynamically, then how about:

Const Max
Max = {Actual Max Number Of Rows}

Set rst = me.recordsetclone
rst.movelast
If me.recordsetclone.recordcount >= Max then
	DisplayedRowCount = Max
Else
	DisplayedRowCount = me.recordsetclone.recordcount
End if

Dan

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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:52 AM
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Subject: [AccessD] determine count of records displayed in continuous form

Is there a way to determine the count of records displayed in a continuous
form.  By this I mean the 
number of records actually showing, not the count in the recordset behind
the form.

I don't believe I have ever seen a way to do this but I thought I'd ask.

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From jeff.developer at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 14:55:10 2009
From: jeff.developer at gmail.com (Jeff Barrows)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:55:10 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string
Message-ID: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>

I have a field, clocks, that can contain either three or four character
employee clock numbers.

The field can contain numbers (123 or 1234) OR text (ENG).

The field can contain one clock number or multiple clock numbers (seperated
by a comma and a space).

The users claim that it HAS to be this way or they could be typing the same
data multiple times with the only difference being the clock number.

Now, here is the problem.

They (Management) have decided that they need to be able to get a count of
how many times the individual clock number appears in the table.

How do I check for multiple entries for a clock number when it could be
null, one clock number, or many clock numbers in one field?



Here is a sample of what the data looks like in the field:

*clocks***

2214, 2410, 2349, 2373, 2514, 2431

1537, 2296, 2202, 2212

2244

2411

2415, 2214, 2393

2431

2431, 1542, 2514, 1922

2431, 2214, 2516

2431, 2510, 2335

2410, 2202, 1170, 2212, 2431

2477

2410

2514

2516, 2397, 2422, 2296, ENG

2522, 2337, 1661, 2250, 1180




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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Thu Aug 20 15:25:07 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:25:07 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string
In-Reply-To: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447A9D@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

I would recommend a design change on the interface Jeff.

Instead of having one text field, put the 'clocks' into their own table
(with IDs).

Ie:

1 - 2214
2 - 2410
3 - ENG

Then give them a listbox, to select the multiple clocks.  You could even
give them a single textbox to allow them to put in comma separated
values, and then have your own code go and split the values.

Record the data with another table (with the ID of the primary table,
and the ID of the clock table, so you will have multiple entries in that
third table, for each ID of the primary table, based on the data
entered).

Make sense?

Drew

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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:55 PM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string

I have a field, clocks, that can contain either three or four character
employee clock numbers.

The field can contain numbers (123 or 1234) OR text (ENG).

The field can contain one clock number or multiple clock numbers
(seperated
by a comma and a space).

The users claim that it HAS to be this way or they could be typing the
same
data multiple times with the only difference being the clock number.

Now, here is the problem.

They (Management) have decided that they need to be able to get a count
of
how many times the individual clock number appears in the table.

How do I check for multiple entries for a clock number when it could be
null, one clock number, or many clock numbers in one field?



Here is a sample of what the data looks like in the field:

*clocks***

2214, 2410, 2349, 2373, 2514, 2431

1537, 2296, 2202, 2212

2244

2411

2415, 2214, 2393

2431

2431, 1542, 2514, 1922

2431, 2214, 2516

2431, 2510, 2335

2410, 2202, 1170, 2212, 2431

2477

2410

2514

2516, 2397, 2422, 2296, ENG

2522, 2337, 1661, 2250, 1180




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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Thu Aug 20 15:30:20 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:30:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string
In-Reply-To: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>
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How about some like this to count the number of commas in each record and then subtract 1 for number of clock numbers?

Len([clock number])-Len(Replace([clock number],",",""))

Of course this will not help if the same clock number appears more than once in a record. 
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Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:55 PM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string

I have a field, clocks, that can contain either three or four character
employee clock numbers.

The field can contain numbers (123 or 1234) OR text (ENG).

The field can contain one clock number or multiple clock numbers (seperated
by a comma and a space).

The users claim that it HAS to be this way or they could be typing the same
data multiple times with the only difference being the clock number.

Now, here is the problem.

They (Management) have decided that they need to be able to get a count of
how many times the individual clock number appears in the table.

How do I check for multiple entries for a clock number when it could be
null, one clock number, or many clock numbers in one field?



Here is a sample of what the data looks like in the field:

*clocks***

2214, 2410, 2349, 2373, 2514, 2431

1537, 2296, 2202, 2212

2244

2411

2415, 2214, 2393

2431

2431, 1542, 2514, 1922

2431, 2214, 2516

2431, 2510, 2335

2410, 2202, 1170, 2212, 2431

2477

2410

2514

2516, 2397, 2422, 2296, ENG

2522, 2337, 1661, 2250, 1180




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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 15:36:05 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:36:05 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD4D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <786105.70756.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<26576.439.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD4D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908201336y1cbdf136pbb4aea620d492021@mail.gmail.com>

I want to start an argument with you, Charlotte. Choose any subject of your
preference and your position on said subject and I shall assume the opposing
position.That sounds dangerously erotic however.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Charlotte Foust <
cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:

> Are you trying to start an argument, Dale?? LOL


From robert at servicexp.com  Thu Aug 20 16:05:35 2009
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:05:35 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
In-Reply-To: <26576.439.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <786105.70756.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I use IDBE, does the job..

WBR
Robert


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:41 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons

I have been evualating ribbon creators and like IDBE ribbon creator.? Does
anyone have a preferance?? Is there a free one out their some place?
?
Thanks
?
Dale


      
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From robert at servicexp.com  Thu Aug 20 16:07:53 2009
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:07:53 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
In-Reply-To: <6210E45658CD44C8A2911C49B5744AE0@XPS>
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Yea maybe.. but I was focused on the "deletions in Access are immediate and
permanent." Comment ;-)

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:23 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records


  Your not interpreting that quite right.  All he is saying is that through
he DBMS, you cannot go in and un-delete a record like you can with dBase.
Records are still on the pages until the page is re-written.

  Of course you'd get a lot of other junk as well because if you read the
page to recover it, you're going to get everything deleted prior to this as
well.

  A recovery service is worth a shot...

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:28 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Andy,
  I think you may be in a bit of trouble...

Take a look at....

http://allenbrowne.com/xbase-06.html


WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:43 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records

Hi Paul

Yes I ahve and I just get the 13. I don't think there's any mystery. I think
the records have been cleanly deleted somehow. But as the MDB's not been
compacted they're in there and I wondered if they could be undeleted. Or am
I slipping into old dBase/Clipper speak?

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From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
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To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving"
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Recover deleted records
Date: 20/08/09 10:33


Andy,

I'm in the uk but not seen this before, apart from when a filter was applied
to the table then saved. I assume you have tried creating a new MDB and
importing the table into that to see what you get ?

Paul

2009/8/20 Andy Lacey <andy at minstersystems.co.uk>

> Hi folks
> Anyone have good experience of either a service (preferably in UK) or
> software that will restore deleted records in an MDB? The MDB's not
corrupt
> in any way but there are only 13 records in a table where there should be
> hundreds if not thousands. The MDB has not been compacted, and size is
> still
> huge, so I expect those babies are in there. But how do we get them back?
>
> And pleeease don't reply backup tape. Yes that's the first resort we're
> looking at but the db hasn't been used for weeks so the oldest backup may
> not be any better. I'm looking at alternatives.
>
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 16:31:20 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:31:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908201336y1cbdf136pbb4aea620d492021@mail.gmail.com>
References: <786105.70756.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<26576.439.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Dangerously erotic?  Is that what the 'D' in AccessD now stands for?  Is no
corner of the Internet safe?

Doug

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Arthur Fuller <fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I want to start an argument with you, Charlotte. Choose any subject of your
> preference and your position on said subject and I shall assume the
> opposing
> position.That sounds dangerously erotic however.
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Charlotte Foust <
> cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>
> > Are you trying to start an argument, Dale?? LOL
>


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Thu Aug 20 15:50:18 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:50:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string
In-Reply-To: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A2FDD61@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

I agree with Drew. Those clock numbers should be in a table on their own.

As for the task of finding all the clock numbers in the existing field.

Dim vArray as Variant
Dim nClockNums as Long

vArray = Split([TheClockFieldData],",")
nClockNums = uBound(vArray)+1

Note that I am splitting at the comma and ignoring the space. Chances are the users might forget to enter a space after the comma, or even enter the space before the comma.

Lambert 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:55 PM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string

I have a field, clocks, that can contain either three or four character employee clock numbers.

The field can contain numbers (123 or 1234) OR text (ENG).

The field can contain one clock number or multiple clock numbers (seperated by a comma and a space).

The users claim that it HAS to be this way or they could be typing the same data multiple times with the only difference being the clock number.

Now, here is the problem.

They (Management) have decided that they need to be able to get a count of how many times the individual clock number appears in the table.

How do I check for multiple entries for a clock number when it could be null, one clock number, or many clock numbers in one field?



Here is a sample of what the data looks like in the field:

*clocks***

2214, 2410, 2349, 2373, 2514, 2431

1537, 2296, 2202, 2212

2244

2411

2415, 2214, 2393

2431

2431, 1542, 2514, 1922

2431, 2214, 2516

2431, 2510, 2335

2410, 2202, 1170, 2212, 2431

2477

2410

2514

2516, 2397, 2422, 2296, ENG

2522, 2337, 1661, 2250, 1180




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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 20 16:52:08 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:52:08 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] determine count of records displayed in continuous
	form
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References: <4A8D7F2A.9080704@colbyconsulting.com>
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This will give you the number of rows that *can * be displayed at the current form size:

rows = int((Me.InsideHeight - Me.FormFooter.Height - Me.FormHeader.Height) / 
Detail.Height)

To work out how many are actually visible gets a lot more difficult. 
You will have to take into account the situations:

where recordcount is < rows ( visible is always "recordcount" ) or  

where the user has jumped to the last (or new) record and then started scrolling through 
records  (visible is somewhere between "one" and "rows") - this one is far from trivial.

If you work out a way to do the second one, please post it :-)

-- 
Stuart


 

On 20 Aug 2009 at 12:51, jwcolby wrote:

> Is there a way to determine the count of records displayed in a continuous form.  By this I mean the 
> number of records actually showing, not the count in the recordset behind the form.
> 
> I don't believe I have ever seen a way to do this but I thought I'd ask.
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 20 17:18:15 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:18:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908201431o6edb10c3gcd804fbf57a383a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <786105.70756.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com><26576.439.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD4D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><29f585dd0908201336y1cbdf136pbb4aea620d492021@mail.gmail.com>
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Not from the Stalker!!  LOL

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 2:31 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons

Dangerously erotic?  Is that what the 'D' in AccessD now stands for?  Is
no corner of the Internet safe?

Doug

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Arthur Fuller
<fuller.artful at gmail.com>wrote:

> I want to start an argument with you, Charlotte. Choose any subject of

> your preference and your position on said subject and I shall assume 
> the opposing position.That sounds dangerously erotic however.
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Charlotte Foust < 
> cfoust at infostatsystems.com> wrote:
>
> > Are you trying to start an argument, Dale?? LOL
>



From adtp at airtelmail.in  Fri Aug 21 00:45:19 2009
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:15:19 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string
References: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f001ca2222$d0ced9d0$2c60a27a@personald6374f>

Jeff,

    Based upon comma separated string values in field named Clocks, you wish to get the count of occurrence of each distinct element of such strings in the whole table. Let the table name be T_Clocks.

    Sample query named Q_TotCountPerClock as given below, should get you the desired count per clock, irrespective of varying number or nature of characters in different elements. It also takes care of any unwanted extra spaces within the comma separated strings.

    The above query makes use of query Q_SplitToMultiRowsPerClock (also given below), which converts each element in Clocks field into a separate row. For this, Cartesian join between tables T_Clocks and T_Ref is used. T_Ref has a single field named RefNum (number type), populated with sequential numbers from 0 to 20. If the number of elements in field Clocks in any single record is likely to exceed 21,  you can expand the contents of T_Ref suitably.

    The above query uses two functions, namely Fn_Element() and Fn_ElementCount() as given below. These functions are to be placed in a general module.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

Q_TotCountPerClock
====================================
SELECT Q_SplitToMultiRowsPerClock.Clock, Count(Q_SplitToMultiRowsPerClock.Clock) AS TotCount  
FROM Q_SplitToMultiRowsPerClock  
GROUP BY Q_SplitToMultiRowsPerClock.Clock;
====================================

Q_SplitToMultiRowsPerClock
====================================
SELECT Fn_Element([Clocks],[RefNum],",") AS Clock  
FROM T_Ref, T_Clocks  
WHERE (((T_Ref.RefNum)<Fn_ElementCount([Clocks],",")));
====================================

' Code in general module
====================================
Function Fn_ElementCount(InputString As Variant, _
                Optional strDelimiter As String = ",") As Long
    Fn_ElementCount = UBound(Split(Nz(InputString, ""), strDelimiter)) + 1
End Function
'------------------------------------------------------

Function Fn_Element(InputString As Variant, _
                Position As Long, _
                Optional strDelimiter As String = ",") As String
    Fn_Element = Trim(Split(Nz(InputString, ""), strDelimiter)(Position))
End Function
====================================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Barrows 
  To: accessd 
  Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 01:25
  Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string


  I have a field, clocks, that can contain either three or four character
  employee clock numbers.

  The field can contain numbers (123 or 1234) OR text (ENG).

  The field can contain one clock number or multiple clock numbers (seperated
  by a comma and a space).

  The users claim that it HAS to be this way or they could be typing the same
  data multiple times with the only difference being the clock number.

  Now, here is the problem.

  They (Management) have decided that they need to be able to get a count of
  how many times the individual clock number appears in the table.

  How do I check for multiple entries for a clock number when it could be
  null, one clock number, or many clock numbers in one field?

  Here is a sample of what the data looks like in the field:

  *clocks***

  2214, 2410, 2349, 2373, 2514, 2431

  1537, 2296, 2202, 2212

  2244

  2411

  2415, 2214, 2393

  2431

  2431, 1542, 2514, 1922

  2431, 2214, 2516

  2431, 2510, 2335

  2410, 2202, 1170, 2212, 2431

  2477

  2410

  2514

  2516, 2397, 2422, 2296, ENG

  2522, 2337, 1661, 2250, 1180
  -- 
  Jeff Barrows

From dw-murphy at cox.net  Fri Aug 21 08:16:17 2009
From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:16:17 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
In-Reply-To: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793F7@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
References: <509be5d70908191854k433a6e7blf8f0f452f79e89d9@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C793F7@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
Message-ID: <706D7814340C435BA4015121C00F46A3@murphy3234aaf1>

Hello Darryl,

I got your routine and gave it a shot and still couldn't get the connection
properties for 2007 so it would run. I found the same some dao code that
Gustav posted on this list a while back for attaching to Excel files and it
worked great in place of the adodb approach.

Thanks for your suggestions. That got me on the right path to using
recordsets.

Doug 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Collins, Darryl
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:03 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB


Cool, either way works, as I don't have internet access right now I cannot
send you the exact link.

Have a look at www.excelyourbusiness.com.au and under the excel section for
"move data from access to excel" or similar.  The website was originally
built for me to have somewhere to store all the bits and pieces I had
collected over the years, it is not that well organised for the public...
:-/  work in progress you see...

If you cannot find it, email back and I can the direct link tonight from a
different PC with internet access.

Cheers
darryl
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason Strickland
Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 11:55 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB

Darryl, if you wouldn't sharing, I would look into doing this. We have done
the Database solution right now but it involved changing a few permissions
on the Active Directory share. From my boss' point of view, he'd rather see
Excel pull the data.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Collins, Darryl
<Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:

> Jason,
>
> Would just pulling the data you need in Excel as a fixed recordset 
> work for you?  I could be updated as often as you wanted and would not

> involve locking the .mdb at all.
>
> I have code that can do that if you are interested.  The demo code 
> comes in two flavours. You can have Excel doing all the pulling, or 
> Access doing all the pushing. Up to you.
>
> Cheers
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jason 
> Strickland
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 11:02 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Extract Data from MDB
>
> I rarely post to the list but I have found so much beneficial 
> information from being a member. Usually, whenever I encounter a 
> problem, someone on the list will post a similar question and I am 
> able to solve my problem.
> Sorry for the long post but I want to lay the groundwork for my 
> situation.
>
> We have a printing software that controls student printing in the
labs.
> This is a "cheap" commercial solution but it works. All of the 
> information is contained in an Access database called
"printSaver.mdb."
> Our problem is that we want Lab Monitors to be able to access only the

> UserNames, PINs, and Balance from a specific table called Print. We 
> don't want this Lab Monitors to have direct access to the database and

> they not to have access to change anything.
>
> Now, what we have tried doing is creating an Excel Spreadsheet that 
> uses OLE to connect to the database. The following is that string.
>
> Provider=Microsoft.ACE.OLEDB.12.0;User ID=Admin;Data 
> Source=\\Cgsecc18a\cz print job tracker\printSaver.mdb;Mode=Share Deny

> Write;Extended Properties="";Jet OLEDB:System database="";Jet 
> OLEDB:Registry Path="";Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5;Jet OLEDB:Database 
> Locking Mode=0;Jet OLEDB:Global Partial Bulk Ops=2;Jet OLEDB:Global 
> Bulk Transactions=1;Jet OLEDB:New Database Password="";Jet 
> OLEDB:Create System Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Encrypt 
> Database=False;Jet OLEDB:Don't Copy Locale on Compact=False;Jet 
> OLEDB:Compact Without Replica Repair=False;Jet OLEDB:SFP=False;Jet 
> OLEDB:Support Complex Data=False
>
> The problem occurs in that whenever the spreadsheet is open, it makes 
> the database read only so nothing can be added/updated. The database 
> remains like this until the spreadsheet is closed. We have tried 
> changing the Mode= but that didn't seem to help either.
>
> Yesterday, I rewrote my Excel spreadsheet using a SQL command and is 
> as
> follows:
>
> *Connection String:*
> DSN=MS Access Database;DBQ=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job 
> Tracker\printSaver.mdb;DefaultDir=\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job 
> Tracker;DriverId=25;FIL=MS Access;MaxBufferSize=2048;PageTimeout=1;
>
> *Command Text:*
> SELECT `Print Query`.Owner, `Print Query`.PIN, `Print Query`.Balance 
> FROM `\\cgsecc18a\CZ Print Job Tracker\printSaver.mdb`.`Print Query` 
> `Print Query`
>
> This seems to work a lot better than the OLE string in that it 
> sometimes holds the database open for 1 sec and then sometimes, it 
> keeps the database Read Only around 10 seconds.
>
> What can I do to extract this information without causing the database

> to go Read Only.
>
> Thanks so much!!!!
> Jason Strickland
> Network Administrator
> Southeastern Community College
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 21 10:38:11 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:38:11 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What is the cost
Message-ID: <4A8EBF63.6020808@colbyconsulting.com>

Does anyone know the cost of building a base query, then a query on top of that query with a where 
clause in the top query.

And is there any other way to do this...

I need to build a boolean true / false in two fields FieldA and FieldB, then a third field - Where 
not FieldA and Not FieldB.

Trying to do this directly in one query gives an error message "does not recognize FieldA".  In the 
past I always just built a "base query" where I build up the boolean fields FieldA and FieldB, then 
create a query on top of that which does the final where not fielda and not fieldb.

this does work because FieldA and FieldB now exist to the top level query, but of course it causes 
me to have to create two queries etc.

Can this be done in a single level?  In theory you could put whatever you are doing to create the 
boolean values into a single field, but it is not "visible", i.e. you cannot look down through the 
data and SEE whether the records create boolean trues and falses.

So I want to create the two boolean fields, and then use those fields in a third field.  ATM Jet is 
objecting.

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Aug 21 10:51:54 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:51:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Flashing From Disconnected Labels
Message-ID: <E32AFFB7E3CE41B0B967196838FCC492@HAL9005>

Dear List:

Legacy app - 2003 - user recently upgraded to 2003.  Is now getting flashing
as mouse rolls over labels which are not attached to bound controls.  I've
seen this before and the PITA solution is, of course, to bind the label to
the control (select label, ctrl-x, select control, ctrl-v, move label to
desired position).

But this is happening on his box, not mine.  I believe he's got the latest
service pack.  

Is there a simpler solution to this problem, than mucking with all the
labels on the form?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Aug 21 10:57:21 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 08:57:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Flashing From Disconnected Labels
In-Reply-To: <E32AFFB7E3CE41B0B967196838FCC492@HAL9005>
References: <E32AFFB7E3CE41B0B967196838FCC492@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <17AD20F156C64DCC8CBD30E45E72A323@HAL9005>

Never mind.  Just found out - he doesn't have SP3.  Microsoft report this
problem fixed in SP3: http://allenbrowne.com/ser-46.html

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:52 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Flashing From Disconnected Labels

Dear List:

Legacy app - 2003 - user recently upgraded to 2003.  Is now getting flashing
as mouse rolls over labels which are not attached to bound controls.  I've
seen this before and the PITA solution is, of course, to bind the label to
the control (select label, ctrl-x, select control, ctrl-v, move label to
desired position).

But this is happening on his box, not mine.  I believe he's got the latest
service pack.  

Is there a simpler solution to this problem, than mucking with all the
labels on the form?

 

MTIA

 

Rocky Smolin

Beach Access Software

858-259-4334

www.e-z-mrp.com <http://www.e-z-mrp.com/> 

www.bchacc.com <http://www.bchacc.com/> 

 

 




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 21 11:22:35 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:22:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 10 ways to get the most out of Bing
Message-ID: <014401ca227b$9a22bc90$ce6835b0$@spb.ru>

Hi All,

 

Here is a useful article: "
<http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=957> 10 ways to get the most
out of Bing"

 

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=957
<http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=957&tag=nl.e101> &tag=nl.e101

 

Thank you.

 

--

Shamil

 

 

 



From jedi at charm.net  Fri Aug 21 12:08:17 2009
From: jedi at charm.net (Michael Bahr)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:08:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string
In-Reply-To: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3570.24.35.25.42.1250874497.squirrel@mail.expedient.net>

Hi Jeff, another method would be to use regular expressions.  You would
match the pattern of either 3-4 digits or ENG.  Here is a function i
created for your testing.  It runs at least under Access 2003.

1. Copy the function into your database.
2. Create watches for matches, count, objvalue, pattern, regexMatch

Have fun, Mike...

'
'
'
Function testRegexp() As Variant
   Dim pattern As String
   Dim regexMatch As Boolean
   Dim count As Integer
   Dim objvalue As Variant

   pattern = "123, 1234, 9999, 0101, 333, ENG, 456, 12345,eng,99a,"

   Set regex = CreateObject("VBScript.RegExp")
   regexMatch = True

   regex.Global = True
   regex.ignorecase = True

   ' create the pattern(s)
   ' \d{3,4} means look for exactly 3 or 4 digits
   ' the | means OR; so look for 3-4 digits OR eng (see ignore case above)
   ' another way is "\d\d\d\d?" again either 3 or 4 digits
   regex.pattern = "(\d{3,4}|eng)"
   regexMatch = regex.test(pattern)

   If (regexMatch) Then
      Set matches = regex.Execute(pattern)
      count = matches.count

      ' loop thru objects in matches
      For Each Object In matches
         objvalue = Object.Value
      Next
   End If

   ' a more robust method
   regex.pattern = "(\d+|eng)"
   regexMatch = regex.test(pattern)

   If (regexMatch) Then
      Set matches = regex.Execute(pattern)
      count = matches.count

      ' loop thru objects in matches
      For Each Object In matches
         objvalue = Object.Value

         ' test value here for compliance

      Next
   End If

   ' another way using comma-space, ", " or ",\s"
   ' the ? after \s means either "," or ", "
   regex.pattern = "(,\s?)"
   regexMatch = regex.test(pattern)

   If (regexMatch) Then
      Set matches = regex.Execute(pattern)
      count = matches.count
   End If
End Function


> I have a field, clocks, that can contain either three or four character
> employee clock numbers.
>
> The field can contain numbers (123 or 1234) OR text (ENG).
>
> The field can contain one clock number or multiple clock numbers
> (seperated
> by a comma and a space).
>
> The users claim that it HAS to be this way or they could be typing the
> same
> data multiple times with the only difference being the clock number.
>
> Now, here is the problem.
>
> They (Management) have decided that they need to be able to get a count of
> how many times the individual clock number appears in the table.
>
> How do I check for multiple entries for a clock number when it could be
> null, one clock number, or many clock numbers in one field?
>
>
>
> Here is a sample of what the data looks like in the field:
>
> *clocks***
>
> 2214, 2410, 2349, 2373, 2514, 2431
>
> 1537, 2296, 2202, 2212
>
> 2244
>
> 2411
>
> 2415, 2214, 2393
>
> 2431
>
> 2431, 1542, 2514, 1922
>
> 2431, 2214, 2516
>
> 2431, 2510, 2335
>
> 2410, 2202, 1170, 2212, 2431
>
> 2477
>
> 2410
>
> 2514
>
> 2516, 2397, 2422, 2296, ENG
>
> 2522, 2337, 1661, 2250, 1180
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Barrows
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
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>




From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 21 13:18:35 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:18:35 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string
In-Reply-To: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2dad32080908201255g1a45f7e6m9dd38616f6c8a2da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015b01ca228b$ce79fca0$6b6df5e0$@spb.ru>

Hi Jeff,

Here is the answer tuned for your sample data:

Select C, Count(C) as Count from
(
SELECT Mid([TestField],1,4) AS C FROM zzzTest
UNION ALL
SELECT Mid([TestField],7,4) AS C FROM zzzTest
UNION ALL
SELECT Mid([TestField],13,4) AS C FROM zzzTest
UNION ALL
SELECT Mid([TestField],19,4) AS C FROM zzzTest
UNION ALL
SELECT Mid([TestField],25,4) AS C FROM zzzTest
UNION ALL
SELECT Mid([TestField],31,4) AS C FROM zzzTest
UNION ALL
SELECT Mid([TestField],37,4) AS C FROM zzzTest
) Test 
where (Test.C <> "")
group by C

This is MS Access 2007.
I assumed that table name is zzzTest and that field name is TestField.

Now you can easily generalize the above solution.

Thank you.

--
Shamil

P.S. Answer:

C	Count
1170	1
1180	1
1537	1
1542	1
1661	1
1922	1
2202	2
2212	2
2214	3
2244	1
2250	1
2296	2
2335	1
2337	1
2349	1
2373	1
2393	1
2397	1
2410	3
2411	1
2415	1
2422	1
2431	6
2477	1
2510	1
2514	3
2516	2
2522	1
ENG	1

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Barrows
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:55 PM
To: accessd
Subject: [AccessD] Counting multiple instances of a specific string

I have a field, clocks, that can contain either three or four character
employee clock numbers.

The field can contain numbers (123 or 1234) OR text (ENG).

The field can contain one clock number or multiple clock numbers (seperated
by a comma and a space).

The users claim that it HAS to be this way or they could be typing the same
data multiple times with the only difference being the clock number.

Now, here is the problem.

They (Management) have decided that they need to be able to get a count of
how many times the individual clock number appears in the table.

How do I check for multiple entries for a clock number when it could be
null, one clock number, or many clock numbers in one field?



Here is a sample of what the data looks like in the field:

*clocks***

2214, 2410, 2349, 2373, 2514, 2431

1537, 2296, 2202, 2212

2244

2411

2415, 2214, 2393

2431

2431, 1542, 2514, 1922

2431, 2214, 2516

2431, 2510, 2335

2410, 2202, 1170, 2212, 2431

2477

2410

2514

2516, 2397, 2422, 2296, ENG

2522, 2337, 1661, 2250, 1180




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From accma at sympatico.ca  Fri Aug 21 14:02:46 2009
From: accma at sympatico.ca (accma at sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:02:46 +0000
Subject: [AccessD] Document a database
Message-ID: <SNT120-W15D13E611D8CAAC9601126DCFC0@phx.gbl>


Hi everyone,

 

I have a few access database at work that I've build up over the years.  I'm the only person with higher-lever knowledge of access in the company.  

 

I never did proper documentation of those db (location, interaction, security, etc).  I'm starting to get worried that if something happens to me or if I leave, they won't be able to maintain the db.  So, I would like to start the documentation for those dbs.  

 

I was wondering how I should go about doing this documentation... using template, using software, ...?

 

Thanks!

 

 

Annie

 


From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Fri Aug 21 14:48:00 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:48:00 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] Document a database
In-Reply-To: <SNT120-W15D13E611D8CAAC9601126DCFC0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT120-W15D13E611D8CAAC9601126DCFC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <016201ca2298$4ba972d0$e2fc5870$@spb.ru>

Hi Annie,

If the company managers do not ask you for the docs - do not worry - they
probably do not need it.
The fact is that good (MS Access) developers can take software developed by
others, and continue its development without (any) docs.

Software support needs good (automated) tests not docs.
If you do not have such tests then better make them, and describe them
briefly in free form - that tests and related short descriptions will be of
good help for other developers who may happen to get and to continue support
and development of your MS Access database applications.

But again if currently nobody in your company cares about docs and tests,
and you feel you do not need them, and you can continue your support and
development work without docs and tests - don't worry - you very probably do
not need them too :) (I'm serious)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
accma at sympatico.ca
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:03 PM
To: AccessD
Subject: [AccessD] Document a database


Hi everyone,

 

I have a few access database at work that I've build up over the years.  I'm
the only person with higher-lever knowledge of access in the company.  

 

I never did proper documentation of those db (location, interaction,
security, etc).  I'm starting to get worried that if something happens to me
or if I leave, they won't be able to maintain the db.  So, I would like to
start the documentation for those dbs.  

 

I was wondering how I should go about doing this documentation... using
template, using software, ...?

 

Thanks!

 

 

Annie

 
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Fri Aug 21 16:49:40 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:49:40 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD4D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <786105.70756.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com><26576.439.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD4D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <0E47AA6425F64B9ABA7C04E35FC8BDEB@stevePC>

Dale,

I think this site is a very good respurce:
http://www.ribboncreator.de/en/index.php?Ribbon_Creator

Otherwise... wait for Access 2010. :-)

Regards
Steve

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dale Kalsow
> Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:41 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
>
> I have been evualating ribbon creators and like IDBE ribbon creator.  Does 
> anyone have a preferance?  Is there a free one out their some place?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dale
 



From marksimms at verizon.net  Fri Aug 21 19:56:58 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:56:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
In-Reply-To: <0E47AA6425F64B9ABA7C04E35FC8BDEB@stevePC>
References: <786105.70756.qm@web50410.mail.re2.yahoo.com><26576.439.qm@web50408.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAD4D@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<0E47AA6425F64B9ABA7C04E35FC8BDEB@stevePC>
Message-ID: <006c01ca22c3$73a1ef80$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

> Otherwise... wait for Access 2010. :-)
Speaking of Access 2010....who on this list was selected to beta test it ?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Steve Schapel
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 5:50 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Creating Ribbons
>
> Dale,
>
> I think this site is a very good respurce:
> http://www.ribboncreator.de/en/index.php?Ribbon_Creator
>
> Otherwise... wait for Access 2010. :-)
>
> Regards
> Steve





From adtp at airtelmail.in  Sat Aug 22 00:28:34 2009
From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:58:34 +0530
Subject: [AccessD] What is the cost
References: <4A8EBF63.6020808@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <003501ca22e9$9e2db380$555ea27a@personald6374f>

John,

    In tests conducted at my end (Access 2003 desktop on Win XP),  a single query having third calculated field F_C, referring to other two calculated fields (F_A and F_B) is found to work smoothly. However, even if no error is encountered, such a style is considered risky and a strict No-No, fraught with the potential for inconsistent results under certain combination of circumstances. Sample query named Q_JC_SingleQuery_RiskyStyle as given below, demonstrates this style.

    As an academic exercise, if one were to implement the goal within a single query in a safe manner, it becomes necessary to refer to the expressions of calculated fields F_A and F_B (not their names) in the expression for third calculated field F_C. This approach is demonstrated in sample query named Q_JC_SingleQuery_PreferredStyle as given below.

    However, a single query devised as per previous para tends to become messy. A much neater approach lies in adoption of query upon query, as you have rightly been doing so far. Sample query Q_JC_1 given below represents the first stage, with no cross reference amongst any calculated fields. For its calculated field F_C, final query Q_JC_2 is in a position to safely refer to calculated fields F_A and F_B in the source query Q_JC_1.

    Extra overhead involved in using query on query instead of a single query is not likely to be of any material significance as in any case, the underlying calculations get performed afresh even when a calculated field is referred by name, whether in query upon query or within a single query.

Best wishes,
A.D. Tejpal
------------

Q_JC_SingleQuery_RiskyStyle
Calculated field F_C refers directly to
calculated fields F_A and F_B
==============================
SELECT MyTable.*, IIf([F1] Mod 2=0,True,False) AS F_A, IIf([F2] Mod 4=0,True,False) AS F_B, Not [F_A] And Not [F_B] AS F_C  
FROM MyTable;
==============================

Q_JC_SingleQuery_PreferredStyle
Calculated field F_C refers to expressions of
calculated fields F_A and F_B
==============================
SELECT MyTable.*, IIf([F1] Mod 2=0,True,False) AS F_A, IIf([F2] Mod 4=0,True,False) AS F_B, IIf(IIf([F1] Mod 2=0,True,False)=False And IIf([F2] Mod 4=0,True,False)=False,True,False) AS F_C  
FROM MyTable;
==============================

Q_JC_1 (First stage query)
No cross-reference between calculated fields
==============================
SELECT MyTable.*, IIf([F1] Mod 2=0,True,False) AS F_A, IIf([F2] Mod 4=0,True,False) AS F_B  
FROM MyTable;
==============================

Q_JC_2 (2nd stage - Query upon query)
Calculated fields (F_A and F_B) of source query 
Q_JC_1 can be referred safely.
==============================
SELECT Q_JC_1.*, Not [F_A] And Not [F_B] AS F_C  
FROM Q_JC_1;
==============================

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jwcolby 
  To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
  Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 21:08
  Subject: [AccessD] What is the cost


  Does anyone know the cost of building a base query, then a query on top of that query with a where clause in the top query.

  And is there any other way to do this...

  I need to build a boolean true / false in two fields FieldA and FieldB, then a third field - Where not FieldA and Not FieldB.

  Trying to do this directly in one query gives an error message "does not recognize FieldA".  In the past I always just built a "base query" where I build up the boolean fields FieldA and FieldB, then create a query on top of that which does the final where not fielda and not fieldb.

  this does work because FieldA and FieldB now exist to the top level query, but of course it causes me to have to create two queries etc.

  Can this be done in a single level?  In theory you could put whatever you are doing to create the boolean values into a single field, but it is not "visible", i.e. you cannot look down through the data and SEE whether the records create boolean trues and falses.

  So I want to create the two boolean fields, and then use those fields in a third field.  ATM Jet is objecting.
  -- 
  John W. Colby
  www.ColbyConsulting.com

From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 22 00:40:26 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:40:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] What is the cost
In-Reply-To: <003501ca22e9$9e2db380$555ea27a@personald6374f>
References: <4A8EBF63.6020808@colbyconsulting.com>
	<003501ca22e9$9e2db380$555ea27a@personald6374f>
Message-ID: <4A8F84CA.6040908@colbyconsulting.com>

Thanks AD.

I have been doing the query on query for a long time and just decided to see if there was an 
alternative.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


A.D.Tejpal wrote:
> John,
> 
>     In tests conducted at my end (Access 2003 desktop on Win XP),  a single query having third calculated field F_C, referring to other two calculated fields (F_A and F_B) is found to work smoothly. However, even if no error is encountered, such a style is considered risky and a strict No-No, fraught with the potential for inconsistent results under certain combination of circumstances. Sample query named Q_JC_SingleQuery_RiskyStyle as given below, demonstrates this style.
> 
>     As an academic exercise, if one were to implement the goal within a single query in a safe manner, it becomes necessary to refer to the expressions of calculated fields F_A and F_B (not their names) in the expression for third calculated field F_C. This approach is demonstrated in sample query named Q_JC_SingleQuery_PreferredStyle as given below.
> 
>     However, a single query devised as per previous para tends to become messy. A much neater approach lies in adoption of query upon query, as you have rightly been doing so far. Sample query Q_JC_1 given below represents the first stage, with no cross reference amongst any calculated fields. For its calculated field F_C, final query Q_JC_2 is in a position to safely refer to calculated fields F_A and F_B in the source query Q_JC_1.
> 
>     Extra overhead involved in using query on query instead of a single query is not likely to be of any material significance as in any case, the underlying calculations get performed afresh even when a calculated field is referred by name, whether in query upon query or within a single query.
> 
> Best wishes,
> A.D. Tejpal
> ------------
> 
> Q_JC_SingleQuery_RiskyStyle
> Calculated field F_C refers directly to
> calculated fields F_A and F_B
> ==============================
> SELECT MyTable.*, IIf([F1] Mod 2=0,True,False) AS F_A, IIf([F2] Mod 4=0,True,False) AS F_B, Not [F_A] And Not [F_B] AS F_C  
> FROM MyTable;
> ==============================
> 
> Q_JC_SingleQuery_PreferredStyle
> Calculated field F_C refers to expressions of
> calculated fields F_A and F_B
> ==============================
> SELECT MyTable.*, IIf([F1] Mod 2=0,True,False) AS F_A, IIf([F2] Mod 4=0,True,False) AS F_B, IIf(IIf([F1] Mod 2=0,True,False)=False And IIf([F2] Mod 4=0,True,False)=False,True,False) AS F_C  
> FROM MyTable;
> ==============================
> 
> Q_JC_1 (First stage query)
> No cross-reference between calculated fields
> ==============================
> SELECT MyTable.*, IIf([F1] Mod 2=0,True,False) AS F_A, IIf([F2] Mod 4=0,True,False) AS F_B  
> FROM MyTable;
> ==============================
> 
> Q_JC_2 (2nd stage - Query upon query)
> Calculated fields (F_A and F_B) of source query 
> Q_JC_1 can be referred safely.
> ==============================
> SELECT Q_JC_1.*, Not [F_A] And Not [F_B] AS F_C  
> FROM Q_JC_1;
> ==============================
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: jwcolby 
>   To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving 
>   Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 21:08
>   Subject: [AccessD] What is the cost
> 
> 
>   Does anyone know the cost of building a base query, then a query on top of that query with a where clause in the top query.
> 
>   And is there any other way to do this...
> 
>   I need to build a boolean true / false in two fields FieldA and FieldB, then a third field - Where not FieldA and Not FieldB.
> 
>   Trying to do this directly in one query gives an error message "does not recognize FieldA".  In the past I always just built a "base query" where I build up the boolean fields FieldA and FieldB, then create a query on top of that which does the final where not fielda and not fieldb.
> 
>   this does work because FieldA and FieldB now exist to the top level query, but of course it causes me to have to create two queries etc.
> 
>   Can this be done in a single level?  In theory you could put whatever you are doing to create the boolean values into a single field, but it is not "visible", i.e. you cannot look down through the data and SEE whether the records create boolean trues and falses.
> 
>   So I want to create the two boolean fields, and then use those fields in a third field.  ATM Jet is objecting.
>   -- 
>   John W. Colby
>   www.ColbyConsulting.com


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Sat Aug 22 02:35:19 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:35:19 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] What is the cost
Message-ID: <sa8fbbec.085@cactus.dk>

Hi John

There is as A.D. shows.
I've found that the "unsafe" query type is safe as long as you don't perform sorting or grouping. If so, Access (or SQL) don't know what values to sort on and it fails.
Another alternative to the "query-on-query" method is to use a subquery.

/gustav

>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 22-08-2009 07:40 >>>
Thanks AD.

I have been doing the query on query for a long time and just decided to see if there was an 
alternative.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com 





From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug 22 05:53:51 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:53:51 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
Message-ID: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>

Hi All,

 

Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:

 

Microsoft Has Turned The Corner 

http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html 

 

Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time

http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/ 

 

Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
&hpw> &hpw 

 

Have nice weekend.

 

Thank you.

 

--

Shamil



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 22 08:41:40 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:41:40 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner 
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html 
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/ 
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better 
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw 
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Aug 22 08:53:55 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:53:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <6FF787D8A9604EEC9B4A1F8C52FFED5F@HAL9005>

QuickBooks for their Byzantine .IIF interface format?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
> ?_r=3
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
> l?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 
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From paulrster at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 09:08:47 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:08:47 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908220708t6a9d9355s481a3b4a67bb83c2@mail.gmail.com>

And who more deserving? Sometimes there's rumours that tigers are going to
change their stripes.

Happy weekend
paul

2009/8/22 jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com>

> But who will we hate instead?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> >
> >
> >
> > Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> >
> > http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> >
> > http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> >
> >
> >
> > Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> >
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> > <
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> > &hpw> &hpw
> >
> >
> >
> > Have nice weekend.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Shamil
> >
> --
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sat Aug 22 09:27:33 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:27:33 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <C327EB2C3DF9485CA295138B28044BCC@XPS>


  Google seems to be the next 400lb gorilla coming along...no where near
Microsoft yet of course, but they are starting to dabble in everything
(Browsers, OS, Apps, Mobile phones, etc).

Jim. 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner 
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html 
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/ 
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better 
> 
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
>
<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw 
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 
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From robert at servicexp.com  Sat Aug 22 09:29:08 2009
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:29:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <6FF787D8A9604EEC9B4A1F8C52FFED5F@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<6FF787D8A9604EEC9B4A1F8C52FFED5F@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000c01ca2334$e9981450$bcc83cf0$@com>

Oh you can't hate on them for that Rocky... That's the "OLD" way of
"messing" with QB's data. The new way, and infinitely more complicated way
is communication with their API..... 

Lets hate on them for their "ease of use" spider web API.... ;-)

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

QuickBooks for their Byzantine .IIF interface format?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
> ?_r=3
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
> l?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Aug 22 09:38:57 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 07:38:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <000c01ca2334$e9981450$bcc83cf0$@com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><6FF787D8A9604EEC9B4A1F8C52FFED5F@HAL9005>
	<000c01ca2334$e9981450$bcc83cf0$@com>
Message-ID: <36A65C699BF8495BB0678947F9B3F15F@HAL9005>

OK I'm a little behind the curve.  Never had a need to interface with the
later versions.  I got Pro 2009 on their free deal last year but never
loaded it. Doesn't it have an import/export through Excel or CSV now?  

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Oh you can't hate on them for that Rocky... That's the "OLD" way of
"messing" with QB's data. The new way, and infinitely more complicated way
is communication with their API..... 

Lets hate on them for their "ease of use" spider web API.... ;-)

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

QuickBooks for their Byzantine .IIF interface format?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
> ?_r=3
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
> l?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 
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From robert at servicexp.com  Sat Aug 22 09:56:14 2009
From: robert at servicexp.com (Robert)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:56:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <36A65C699BF8495BB0678947F9B3F15F@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><6FF787D8A9604EEC9B4A1F8C52FFED5F@HAL9005>	<000c01ca2334$e9981450$bcc83cf0$@com>
	<36A65C699BF8495BB0678947F9B3F15F@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <000d01ca2338$b3129280$1937b780$@com>

Not to my knowledge, just .IIF 

WBR
Robert



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:39 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

OK I'm a little behind the curve.  Never had a need to interface with the
later versions.  I got Pro 2009 on their free deal last year but never
loaded it. Doesn't it have an import/export through Excel or CSV now?  

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:29 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Oh you can't hate on them for that Rocky... That's the "OLD" way of
"messing" with QB's data. The new way, and infinitely more complicated way
is communication with their API..... 

Lets hate on them for their "ease of use" spider web API.... ;-)

WBR
Robert


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:54 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

QuickBooks for their Byzantine .IIF interface format?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
> ?_r=3
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
> l?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug 22 10:06:57 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:06:57 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>

Nobody. 
Stop hating and fighting. 
Love is the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner 
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html 
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/ 
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better 
> 
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
>
<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw 
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Aug 22 10:16:52 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:16:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>

How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Nobody. 
Stop hating and fighting. 
Love is the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> 
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
>
<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Aug 22 10:18:13 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:18:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the Mouse Wheel - A New Way
Message-ID: <CC86890A79AB49BA85F7805D0D452507@danwaters>

I set this up and it works great!

http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=A-new-method-for-disabling-
the-Mouse-Scroll-Wheel-in-Access-forms

Dan







From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 22 11:09:49 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:09:49 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>
	<D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4A90184D.9050900@colbyconsulting.com>

How cool.  I had never seen that.
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Rocky Smolin wrote:
> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> Nobody. 
> Stop hating and fighting. 
> Love is the answer.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> But who will we hate instead?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
>>
>> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
>>
>> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
>>
>>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
>> &hpw> &hpw
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have nice weekend.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>  
>>
>> --
>>
>> Shamil
>>
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 22 11:12:01 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:12:01 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>
	<D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4A9018D1.70404@colbyconsulting.com>

Did you see Mick in the audience... looking so young.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Rocky Smolin wrote:
> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> Nobody. 
> Stop hating and fighting. 
> Love is the answer.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> But who will we hate instead?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
>>
>> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
>>
>> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
>>
>>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
>> &hpw> &hpw
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have nice weekend.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>  
>>
>> --
>>
>> Shamil
>>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
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> 
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
> 
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> 
> 
>  
> 
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> 
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Aug 22 11:59:19 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:59:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A90184D.9050900@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru><D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
	<4A90184D.9050900@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <FE35911215CE4C05A480596DECD4A015@HAL9005>

It was IIRC one of the first times strings and brass were used in an R&R
cut.  Live, too.  Today it would all be synth tracks laid down after the
fact.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:10 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

How cool.  I had never seen that.
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Rocky Smolin wrote:
> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> Nobody. 
> Stop hating and fighting. 
> Love is the answer.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> But who will we hate instead?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
>>
>> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
>>
>> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
>>
>>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
> ?_r=3
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
> l?_r=3
>> &hpw> &hpw
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have nice weekend.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>  
>>
>> --
>>
>> Shamil
>>
> --
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> 
> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.
> 
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> 
> 
>  
> 
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> 
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> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Aug 22 12:02:52 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:02:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A9018D1.70404@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru><D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
	<4A9018D1.70404@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <77EA5D2791224118BAE4AB09ED7A1439@HAL9005>

No.  What time?

Young Mick?  Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVEdYYMlOJ4

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:12 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Did you see Mick in the audience... looking so young.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Rocky Smolin wrote:
> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> Nobody. 
> Stop hating and fighting. 
> Love is the answer.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> But who will we hate instead?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
>>
>>  
>>
>> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
>>
>> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
>>
>> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
>>
>>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
> ?_r=3
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
> l?_r=3
>> &hpw> &hpw
>>
>>  
>>
>> Have nice weekend.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>  
>>
>> --
>>
>> Shamil
>>
> --
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 12:33:19 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:33:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <77EA5D2791224118BAE4AB09ED7A1439@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>
	<D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
	<4A9018D1.70404@colbyconsulting.com>
	<77EA5D2791224118BAE4AB09ED7A1439@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908221033x1724d7cayf89d414ca7c9d696@mail.gmail.com>

What a laugh!  I had been under the impression that his lips had got bigger
over the years; looking at that video, I think they've actually shrunk.

Doug

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Rocky Smolin <rockysmolin at bchacc.com>wrote:

> No.  What time?
>
> Young Mick?  Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVEdYYMlOJ4
>
> Rocky
>
>


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 22 13:23:39 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:23:39 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <77EA5D2791224118BAE4AB09ED7A1439@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru><D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>	<4A9018D1.70404@colbyconsulting.com>
	<77EA5D2791224118BAE4AB09ED7A1439@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4A9037AB.3090507@colbyconsulting.com>

 >> No.  What time?

Towards the end as they are panning the audience.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Rocky Smolin wrote:
> No.  What time?
> 
> Young Mick?  Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVEdYYMlOJ4
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> Did you see Mick in the audience... looking so young.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
>>
>> Rocky
>>  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> Nobody. 
>> Stop hating and fighting. 
>> Love is the answer.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> But who will we hate instead?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
>>>
>>> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
>>>
>>> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
>> ?_r=3
>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
>> l?_r=3
>>> &hpw> &hpw
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Have nice weekend.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
>> --
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>>
>>  
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 22 13:40:23 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:40:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <77EA5D2791224118BAE4AB09ED7A1439@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru><D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>	<4A9018D1.70404@colbyconsulting.com>
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Funny.

As it happens that is one of my favorite Stones songs.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Rocky Smolin wrote:
> No.  What time?
> 
> Young Mick?  Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVEdYYMlOJ4
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:12 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> Did you see Mick in the audience... looking so young.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
>>
>> Rocky
>>  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
>> Salakhetdinov
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> Nobody. 
>> Stop hating and fighting. 
>> Love is the answer.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Shamil
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> But who will we hate instead?
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
>>>
>>> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
>>>
>>> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
>> ?_r=3
>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
>> l?_r=3
>>> &hpw> &hpw
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Have nice weekend.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Shamil
>>>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 22 13:43:34 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:43:34 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A9037AB.3090507@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru><D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>	<4A9018D1.70404@colbyconsulting.com>	<77EA5D2791224118BAE4AB09ED7A1439@HAL9005>
	<4A9037AB.3090507@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A903C56.3010106@colbyconsulting.com>

 >> No.  What time?

2:38

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


jwcolby wrote:
>  >> No.  What time?
> 
> Towards the end as they are panning the audience.
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Rocky Smolin wrote:
>> No.  What time?
>>
>> Young Mick?  Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVEdYYMlOJ4
>>
>> Rocky
>>  
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 9:12 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> Did you see Mick in the audience... looking so young.
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Rocky Smolin wrote:
>>> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
>>>
>>> Rocky
>>>  
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
>>> Salakhetdinov
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
>>> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Nobody. 
>>> Stop hating and fighting. 
>>> Love is the answer.
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shamil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>>
>>> But who will we hate instead?
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
>>>>
>>>> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
>>>>
>>>> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
>>> ?_r=3
>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
>>> l?_r=3
>>>> &hpw> &hpw
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Have nice weekend.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Shamil
>>>>
>>> --
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Sat Aug 22 13:50:25 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:50:25 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>
	<D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <002c01ca2359$6d417bb0$47c47310$@spb.ru>

I was a kid that time in 60ies - The Beatles (and The Rolling Stones, Led
Zeppelin, Uriah Heep, Pink Floyd...) came to me/my age friends a bit later
somewhere in 1974-1975 AFAIKR)...

I have mainly positive memories on 60ies (as well as on 70ies, 80ies, 90ies,
00ies :))- 60ies were a very romantic time here - you can hear a few songs
and see some pics and clips I was grown on:

Karelia Dreams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOzUZnZHEsY

Baltic Wind (Song about St.Petersburg (Leningrad))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU5wQxwsSco

Caravel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCg0wbx5YPM

Tenderness Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR-sl82-sd4

Song About A Friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IykzLy3b2Nc

Rain On Neva
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyvIr2GypBc

...
  
Now you can understand why I have mainly positive memories on 70ies, 80ies,
90ies, 00ies :) - the romantics of 60ies when I have got grown as a kid here
made my body and soul quite resistant to the modern cynical times... (And
I'm not "romanticizing" ex-USSR - I'm just sharing my memories how I have
had them, how I'm feeling about them now...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Nobody. 
Stop hating and fighting. 
Love is the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> 
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
>
<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 
--
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Sat Aug 22 16:04:20 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:04:20 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <C327EB2C3DF9485CA295138B28044BCC@XPS>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<C327EB2C3DF9485CA295138B28044BCC@XPS>
Message-ID: <B5941D560A8F43AE96F6E45EC7EAC7F4@stevePC>

Prediction:  The time will come when you will hear the word "Google" uttered 
in the same breath as "Netscape", "Lotus 1-2-3", "Word Perfect".

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:27 AM
>
>  Google seems to be the next 400lb gorilla coming along...no where near
> Microsoft yet of course, but they are starting to dabble in everything
> (Browsers, OS, Apps, Mobile phones, etc).
>
 


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 16:23:26 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:23:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <B5941D560A8F43AE96F6E45EC7EAC7F4@stevePC>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<C327EB2C3DF9485CA295138B28044BCC@XPS>
	<B5941D560A8F43AE96F6E45EC7EAC7F4@stevePC>
Message-ID: <4a9061e2.0508d00a.5bde.75e8@mx.google.com>

Google who?

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel
Sent: 22 August 2009 22:04
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Prediction:  The time will come when you will hear the word "Google" uttered

in the same breath as "Netscape", "Lotus 1-2-3", "Word Perfect".

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:27 AM
>
>  Google seems to be the next 400lb gorilla coming along...no where near
> Microsoft yet of course, but they are starting to dabble in everything
> (Browsers, OS, Apps, Mobile phones, etc).
>
 


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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Sat Aug 22 17:52:21 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:52:21 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>,
	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>,
	<D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4A9076A5.28768.26C241FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

If you can rmember the sixties - you weren't there  :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 22 Aug 2009 at 8:16, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

> 
> Nobody. 
> Stop hating and fighting. 
> Love is the answer.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> But who will we hate instead?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> > 
> > http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> > 
> > http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> > 
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> >
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> > &hpw> &hpw
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Have nice weekend.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Shamil
> > 
> --
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From nd500_lo at charter.net  Sat Aug 22 19:50:37 2009
From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:50:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A9076A5.28768.26C241FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>,
	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>,
	<D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
	<4A9076A5.28768.26C241FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <D02CF56CAA384FB582CC64FB339F75D7@dsunit1>

I was there...I barely remember...does that count? 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

If you can rmember the sixties - you weren't there  :-)

--
Stuart

On 22 Aug 2009 at 8:16, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

> 
> Nobody. 
> Stop hating and fighting. 
> Love is the answer.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> But who will we hate instead?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> > 
> > http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.htm
> > l
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> > 
> > http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> > 
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
> ?_r=3
> >
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
> l?_r=3
> > &hpw> &hpw
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Have nice weekend.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Shamil
> > 
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Sun Aug 23 03:22:03 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:22:03 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4a9061e2.0508d00a.5bde.75e8@mx.google.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<C327EB2C3DF9485CA295138B28044BCC@XPS><B5941D560A8F43AE96F6E45EC7EAC7F4@stevePC>
	<4a9061e2.0508d00a.5bde.75e8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F1451C69B7FA432690C9C78DE8843E67@stevePC>

Max,

Do a Bing search on "google" should give you a few relevant hits. :-)

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:23 AM

> Google who?
> 
 


From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Sun Aug 23 06:08:47 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:08:47 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the Mouse Wheel - A New Way
In-Reply-To: <CC86890A79AB49BA85F7805D0D452507@danwaters>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA339350@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

Dan,

this great little post seems to have been lost in the white noise and chatter of the past few days, but I wanted to say a big thank you for posting this.  I have had many problems with preventing mouse wheel skipping to new records in the past, especially on locked down corporate PC where is it complex or impossible to use or register DLL that were previously needed to prevent this issue etc.

So always very interested in any new and valid approach on this.

Many thanks.
Darryl.

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2009 1:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the Mouse Wheel - A New Way


I set this up and it works great!

http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=A-new-method-for-disabling-
the-Mouse-Scroll-Wheel-in-Access-forms

Dan





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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Sun Aug 23 09:42:08 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:42:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <B5941D560A8F43AE96F6E45EC7EAC7F4@stevePC>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<C327EB2C3DF9485CA295138B28044BCC@XPS>,
	<B5941D560A8F43AE96F6E45EC7EAC7F4@stevePC>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C41@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Don't think so. . Until MS fully embrace the web and I mean not just bit of it that suits their software there will always be room for others.

Martin


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Information Services
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Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel [miscellany at mvps.org]
Sent: 22 August 2009 22:04
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Prediction:  The time will come when you will hear the word "Google" uttered
in the same breath as "Netscape", "Lotus 1-2-3", "Word Perfect".

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:27 AM
>
>  Google seems to be the next 400lb gorilla coming along...no where near
> Microsoft yet of course, but they are starting to dabble in everything
> (Browsers, OS, Apps, Mobile phones, etc).
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From paulrster at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 09:57:39 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:57:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C41@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<C327EB2C3DF9485CA295138B28044BCC@XPS>
	<B5941D560A8F43AE96F6E45EC7EAC7F4@stevePC>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C41@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908230757r508faea4uf261dfcfb855538e@mail.gmail.com>

Here! Here! (And, I would say, Martin, that in that unlikely scenario, even
then ... )
Cheers
paul

2009/8/23 Martin Reid <mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk>

> Don't think so. . Until MS fully embrace the web and I mean not just bit of
> it that suits their software there will always be room for others.
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
> Information Services
> The Library at Queen's
> Tel : 02890976174
> Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel [
> miscellany at mvps.org]
> Sent: 22 August 2009 22:04
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> Prediction:  The time will come when you will hear the word "Google"
> uttered
> in the same breath as "Netscape", "Lotus 1-2-3", "Word Perfect".
>
> Regards
> Steve
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jim Dettman" <jimdettman at verizon.net>
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 2:27 AM
> >
> >  Google seems to be the next 400lb gorilla coming along...no where near
> > Microsoft yet of course, but they are starting to dabble in everything
> > (Browsers, OS, Apps, Mobile phones, etc).
> >
>
>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Sun Aug 23 10:03:57 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:03:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the Mouse Wheel - A New Way
In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA339350@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
References: <CC86890A79AB49BA85F7805D0D452507@danwaters>
	<57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA339350@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
Message-ID: <47831ECB516B40ABB4C4A8FBC5A3BD2A@XPS>


  Sounds like a good deal, but I'd be a little leery of creating a COM
object in memory that way.  Time will prove out whether this is a good
approach or not.

Jim. 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 7:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the Mouse Wheel - A New Way

Dan,

this great little post seems to have been lost in the white noise and
chatter of the past few days, but I wanted to say a big thank you for
posting this.  I have had many problems with preventing mouse wheel skipping
to new records in the past, especially on locked down corporate PC where is
it complex or impossible to use or register DLL that were previously needed
to prevent this issue etc.

So always very interested in any new and valid approach on this.

Many thanks.
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2009 1:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the Mouse Wheel - A New Way


I set this up and it works great!

http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=A-new-method-for-disabling-
the-Mouse-Scroll-Wheel-in-Access-forms

Dan





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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 10:23:07 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:23:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><C327EB2C3DF9485CA295138B28044BCC@XPS>,
	<B5941D560A8F43AE96F6E45EC7EAC7F4@stevePC>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C41@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <7C576324B4CE4A32822BE62295284EA1@SusanOne>

Well, I have to admit, that for most of my searches, Bing is doing a better 
job than google -- but then, most of my searches are MS product/solution 
specific, so that makes sense.

Susan H.


> Don't think so. . Until MS fully embrace the web and I mean not just bit 
> of it that suits their software there will always be room for others.



From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sun Aug 23 10:29:56 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:29:56 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the Mouse Wheel - A New Way
In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA339350@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
References: <CC86890A79AB49BA85F7805D0D452507@danwaters>
	<57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200ABA339350@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
Message-ID: <7D10A53A2C7F41A180DF875765D275D8@danwaters>

Darryl - I always like to pass on the cool stuff I come across.  I've really
learned a lot from other people on this site doing that same thing!

Dan

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:09 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Disabling the Mouse Wheel - A New Way

Dan,

this great little post seems to have been lost in the white noise and
chatter of the past few days, but I wanted to say a big thank you for
posting this.  I have had many problems with preventing mouse wheel skipping
to new records in the past, especially on locked down corporate PC where is
it complex or impossible to use or register DLL that were previously needed
to prevent this issue etc.

So always very interested in any new and valid approach on this.

Many thanks.
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Sunday, 23 August 2009 1:18 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] Disabling the Mouse Wheel - A New Way


I set this up and it works great!

http://www.everythingaccess.com/tutorials.asp?ID=A-new-method-for-disabling-
the-Mouse-Scroll-Wheel-in-Access-forms

Dan





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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 24 10:50:25 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:50:25 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Are you volunteering again, JC?

Charlotte 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 24 10:53:44 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:53:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A9076A5.28768.26C241FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>,
	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru>,
	<D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
	<4A9076A5.28768.26C241FA@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC7@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

ROTFLMAO

I had small children in the 60's and missed all the fun!

Charlotte 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 3:52 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

If you can rmember the sixties - you weren't there  :-)

--
Stuart

On 22 Aug 2009 at 8:16, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil 
> Salakhetdinov
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

> 
> Nobody. 
> Stop hating and fighting. 
> Love is the answer.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> But who will we hate instead?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> > 
> > http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.htm
> > l
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> > 
> > http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> > 
> >
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html
> ?_r=3
> >
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.htm
> l?_r=3
> > &hpw> &hpw
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Have nice weekend.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thank you.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Shamil
> > 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 11:46:26 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:46:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4a92c3ef.0508d00a.7d55.7d04@mx.google.com>

Oooohhh.  That hurts, doesn't it John.  I mean the bit where she says
"..again.."

Max
hehe

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 24 August 2009 16:50
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Are you volunteering again, JC?

Charlotte 

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Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 24 13:04:28 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:04:28 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4A92D62C.3070308@colbyconsulting.com>

Does it matter?

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Charlotte Foust wrote:
> Are you volunteering again, JC?
> 
> Charlotte 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> But who will we hate instead?
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 


From darren at activebilling.com.au  Mon Aug 24 20:27:58 2009
From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren - Active Billing)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:27:58 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] A2003: Creating an Outlook Appointment to a Networked
	Data File
Message-ID: <009f01ca2523$48e1a170$131b910a@denzilnote>

Hi team

 

I think I may have asked this in a previous life (Don't recall the answer and
have no code samples)

 

Say I have an Outlook Data File (PST file) in a folder on a local (in house)
network

 

EG - X:\SomeFolder\SomeShare\Someoutlookfile.pst

 

And say inside this Outlook Data file there is a Calendar - 'OPSCalendar'

 

I know it's possible for me to post or create a new Outlook Calendar item with
VBA to my 'local' PST file - And I am doing so at the moment

 

I just wanted to know if anyone on the list knows how to create a new Calendar
item to a Calendar inside a different data file?

 

FWIW - I can 'Connect' my outlook to this data file

 

Many thanks in advance

 

Darren

 



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Aug 24 22:10:02 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:10:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: Access 2010 Developer Kitchen
Message-ID: <132F4713BE2B4D70AD799F376A845CBA@HAL9005>

FYI.  I can't go - will be in Chicago t that time. - otherwise I'd be very
tempted.
 
Rocky
 

  _____  

From: Kerry Westphal [mailto:Kerry.Westphal at microsoft.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 4:58 PM
To: rockysmolin at bchacc.com
Subject: Access 2010 Developer Kitchen



We just announced the Access 2010 developer kitchen event on the
<http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/08/19/access-2010-developer-kitch
en.aspx> Access blog. It will be held September 14-16th in Redmond. At this
conference, we will be focusing on upgrading existing applications to Access
2010 and using the new web designers. We really appreciate the huge impact
you have on our community as an author.  This is short notice and spots are
limited so please let us know as soon as possible if you are interested. 

 

Thanks,

 

Kerry Westphal

Program Manager, Access

(425)707-0208

 



From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 24 22:28:08 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:28:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 2008 Server drivers
Message-ID: <4A935A48.3010204@colbyconsulting.com>

I have decided to install 2008 Server Enterprise, 64 bit on one of my machines.  I am wondering what 
server 2008 "looks like", or where it comes from.  Is it 2003 based?  Vista based?

I am wondering where to go for chipset drivers.  It installed just fine and started downloading 
updates.  As I write this it appears that one of the updates (or something) caused a blue screen. 
We shall see if it blew the install out of the water.

To be honest I was impressed that the install worked at all.

-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From paulrster at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 10:06:26 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:06:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on machines
unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get rid of.
Cheers
paul

2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

> Are you volunteering again, JC?
>
> Charlotte
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> But who will we hate instead?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 25 11:13:47 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:13:47 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
And your point is? 

Charlotte Foust

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
rid of.
Cheers
paul

2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

> Are you volunteering again, JC?
>
> Charlotte
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> But who will we hate instead?
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com



From robert at webedb.com  Tue Aug 25 13:14:44 2009
From: robert at webedb.com (Robert Stewart)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:14:44 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1251219600.27617.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1251219600.27617.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <200908251815.n7PIF1d6016929@databaseadvisors.com>

SO how do you get rid of it?

At 12:00 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
>Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
>euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
>machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
>rid of.
>Cheers
>paul




From paulrster at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 14:10:07 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:10:07 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <200908251815.n7PIF1d6016929@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.1.1251219600.27617.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<200908251815.n7PIF1d6016929@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908251210u30c2138epa8916f6c75fd13ac@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, there's the rub. If you ask Google, you'll get a link to a piece of
software that allegedly zaps it. It is the devil to get rid of because it is
not where programmes are usually installed.

I tried to get rid of mine, but I haven't gone beyond the first screen that
appears when the computer starts. I've heard that it you do accidentally
install it, it causes misery because it often misidentifies paid-for
software. And every time the computer starts, this WGA plagues the owner
with various dire warnings. There's quite a furore on lots of forums about
it - rightly so, of course, because here is snooping by the biggest,
wealthiest company. What message does it tell governments? You can snoop and
get away with it.

It seems that the program, offered open source, to get rid of it can only do
so once WGA is installed. Well, for me I wouldn't want to install that on my
machine(s). So so far I have had to put up with the announcement each time
the machine starts. But not happily, Robert.

If you have inadvertently installed WGA, then it seems the software - in the
first few offerings on Google's first page - will get rid of it. There are
physical ways to remove it, but reading about that approach, you have to
very pretty familiar with computer innards, and quick, too.

Hope this helps. Be very pleased to know if it works for you.
Salut
paul

2009/8/25 Robert Stewart <robert at webedb.com>

> SO how do you get rid of it?
>
> At 12:00 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
> >From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> >[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> >Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
> >To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> >Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> >
> >Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
> >euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
> >machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
> >rid of.
> >Cheers
> >paul
>
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From paulrster at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 15:08:55 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:08:55 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>

The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets
onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you
don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or
restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find it.

Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes through
alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
every time it starts, apparently.

The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software on
your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'

But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that you
might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in
and look through your computer.

There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this is
the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man in
the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can.
And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the
computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.

So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve to
be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do
they deserve our support.
Cheers
paul

2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

> Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
> And your point is?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
> euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
> machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
> rid of.
> Cheers
> paul
>
> 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>
> > Are you volunteering again, JC?
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> >
> > But who will we hate instead?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>



-- 
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email paul.rodgers at bcs.org
Phone 0208 241 0567
Mob 07866 996377
Skype sinbadly07
......................
>From the deck of a boat, out of sight of land,
All we are not stares back at what we are.
- W H Auden 'The Sea and the Mirror'


From ssharkins at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 15:19:24 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:19:24 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>

I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just keep 
clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software and 
I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one. 
You'd think registering software would be enough.

Susan H.


> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes 
> through
> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> every time it starts, apparently.



From paulrster at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 15:25:50 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:25:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908251325o117465eav5a95c2efdba94a47@mail.gmail.com>

Me, too. Susan. It's a damn nuisance, and I always warn friends when they
phone asking for help, to just put up with it but NEVER to install it.
Someone will come up with an answer - but it is cleverly hidden in the
machine.

2009/8/25 Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com>

> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just keep
> clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software and
> I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one.
> You'd think registering software would be enough.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
> > install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes
> > through
> > alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> > every time it starts, apparently.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 15:33:02 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:33:02 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com>

Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all my
machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any problems
whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever.  Once
installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
auto-downloaded and user requested options.

It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any of
the machines.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just keep 
clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software and 
I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one. 
You'd think registering software would be enough.

Susan H.


> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes 
> through
> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> every time it starts, apparently.

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com



From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Tue Aug 25 15:37:12 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:37:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE07@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Sorry to disagree, but it's never given me any trouble.  I wonder how
many of those posts are the same people who rale against online
activation?  I think it may be more of a political or moral issue than a
real problem. 

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that
gets onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you.
If you don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start
(or restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't
find it.

Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do
accidentally install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it
becomes through alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It
harasses the owner every time it starts, apparently.

The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software
on your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'

But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that
you might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just
stroll in and look through your computer.

There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this
is the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest
man in the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic
country can.
And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we,
the computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.

So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should
deserve to be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it
and nor do they deserve our support.
Cheers
paul



From paulrster at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 15:41:15 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:41:15 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>
	<4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908251341t4df8601cgaa746167b83f4e0a@mail.gmail.com>

Astonishing, Max. You are a fortunate man. Tears poured in forums suggest
the majority is far from so well treated.

2009/8/25 Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>

> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all my
> machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any problems
> whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever.
>  Once
> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
>
> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any of
> the machines.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just keep
> clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software and
> I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one.
> You'd think registering software would be enough.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
> > install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes
> > through
> > alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> > every time it starts, apparently.
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From miscellany at mvps.org  Tue Aug 25 15:45:15 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:45:15 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com>
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Exactly the same for me, Max.

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:33 AM
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all my
> machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any problems
> whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever. 
> Once
> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
>
> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any of
> the machines.
 



From paulrster at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 15:47:58 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:47:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE07@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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I guess we'll never know about those who have complained about the damage
done. I was foolish enough to circumnavigate via  Cape Horn singlehanded
once, but I lack the courage these days to put WGA to the test. I'll just
keep cancelling it out and hope that someone comes to the rescue. (I am glad
to hear that it hasn't troubled you, Charlotte. It is encouraging. I've not
heard much encouragement about it before tonight.)

2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

> Sorry to disagree, but it's never given me any trouble.  I wonder how
> many of those posts are the same people who rale against online
> activation?  I think it may be more of a political or moral issue than a
> real problem.
>
> Charlotte
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 1:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that
> gets onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you.
> If you don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start
> (or restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't
> find it.
>
> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do
> accidentally install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it
> becomes through alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It
> harasses the owner every time it starts, apparently.
>
> The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software
> on your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'
>
> But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that
> you might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just
> stroll in and look through your computer.
>
> There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
> against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this
> is the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest
> man in the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic
> country can.
> And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we,
> the computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.
>
> So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should
> deserve to be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it
> and nor do they deserve our support.
> Cheers
> paul
>
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From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Tue Aug 25 15:47:42 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:47:42 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <1ad7dee90908251341t4df8601cgaa746167b83f4e0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>
	<4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com>
	<1ad7dee90908251341t4df8601cgaa746167b83f4e0a@mail.gmail.com>
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Max and Charlotte are not alone.

I too have no problems at all with WGA running. Indecently I did a little Googling myself and took a peek at the Wiki entry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage

It sounds like those problems you are getting may be due to WGA Notification, not the Active-X control, which AFIK is all I have installed, so that I get the non-critical updates.

Running XP SP3, and Windows 7 RC1.

Lambert

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:41 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Astonishing, Max. You are a fortunate man. Tears poured in forums suggest the majority is far from so well treated.

2009/8/25 Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>

> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all
> my machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any
> problems whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever.
>  Once
> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
>
> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any
> of the machines.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> Harkins
> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just
> keep clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated
> software and I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one.
> You'd think registering software would be enough.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do
> > accidentally install it. So many forums talk of the absolute
> > nuisance it becomes through alleging legitimately bought software is
> > pirated. It harasses the owner every time it starts, apparently.
>
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From paulrster at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 15:58:12 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:58:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A2FE246@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
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	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>
	<4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com>
	<1ad7dee90908251341t4df8601cgaa746167b83f4e0a@mail.gmail.com>
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I wonder, Lambert. Thank you. Sounds like you have the works, very nice.


2009/8/25 Heenan, Lambert <Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com>

> Max and Charlotte are not alone.
>
> I too have no problems at all with WGA running. Indecently I did a little
> Googling myself and took a peek at the Wiki entry
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Genuine_Advantage
>
> It sounds like those problems you are getting may be due to WGA
> Notification, not the Active-X control, which AFIK is all I have installed,
> so that I get the non-critical updates.
>
> Running XP SP3, and Windows 7 RC1.
>
> Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:
> accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:41 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> Astonishing, Max. You are a fortunate man. Tears poured in forums suggest
> the majority is far from so well treated.
>
> 2009/8/25 Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
>
> > Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all
> > my machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any
> > problems whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any
> whatsoever.
> >  Once
> > installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
> > auto-downloaded and user requested options.
> >
> > It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any
> > of the machines.
> >
> > Max
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan
> > Harkins
> > Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> >
> > I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just
> > keep clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated
> > software and I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally
> with this one.
> > You'd think registering software would be enough.
> >
> > Susan H.
> >
> >
> > > Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do
> > > accidentally install it. So many forums talk of the absolute
> > > nuisance it becomes through alleging legitimately bought software is
> > > pirated. It harasses the owner every time it starts, apparently.
> >
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 16:00:56 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:00:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <1ad7dee90908251341t4df8601cgaa746167b83f4e0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>	<47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>	<4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com>
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But why, I wonder. The first thing I do after installing or running for the
first time is to go for Windows update at which point (or thereabouts), it
kicks in - I accept it and then never  hear anything from then on.  


I am talking for many years now on many machines.  WGA has never caused me a
problem.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: 25 August 2009 21:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Astonishing, Max. You are a fortunate man. Tears poured in forums suggest
the majority is far from so well treated.

2009/8/25 Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>

> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all my
> machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any problems
> whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever.
>  Once
> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
>
> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any of
> the machines.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just
keep
> clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software and
> I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one.
> You'd think registering software would be enough.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do
accidentally
> > install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes
> > through
> > alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> > every time it starts, apparently.
>
> --
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 25 16:10:09 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:10:09 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop hating
	Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>	<47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>
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I have it installed on all of my machines as well and it never branded me a thief.  OTOH I was 
working on a neighbor's machine and it came in as one of the updates.  It branded them a thief.

It doesn't seem to shut down the machine, just pops up a "Windows might be pirated" warning.  And 
they had the windows sticker on the side of their machine!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all my
> machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any problems
> whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever.  Once
> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
> 
> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any of
> the machines.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just keep 
> clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software and 
> I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one. 
> You'd think registering software would be enough.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
>> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
>> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes 
>> through
>> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
>> every time it starts, apparently.
> 


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 16:18:39 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:18:39 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop
	hating	Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A945331.5010700@colbyconsulting.com>
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John, had it been taken into a repair shop at any time previously.  If so,
it may be that the had installed "their" version over the original to solve
a problem.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 25 August 2009 22:10
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop hating
Microsoft.

I have it installed on all of my machines as well and it never branded me a
thief.  OTOH I was 
working on a neighbor's machine and it came in as one of the updates.  It
branded them a thief.

It doesn't seem to shut down the machine, just pops up a "Windows might be
pirated" warning.  And 
they had the windows sticker on the side of their machine!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all my
> machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any problems
> whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever.
Once
> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
> 
> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any of
> the machines.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just
keep 
> clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software and 
> I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one. 
> You'd think registering software would be enough.
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
>> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
>> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes 
>> through
>> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
>> every time it starts, apparently.
> 
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From mmattys at rochester.rr.com  Tue Aug 25 16:25:17 2009
From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:25:17 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to
	stophating	Microsoft.
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	<4a945555.1c07d00a.749b.03c4@mx.google.com>
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JC, what is causing that SPAM-LOW? WGA?

-
Michael R Mattys
MapPoint and Database Dev
www.mattysconsulting.com
-
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stophating 
Microsoft.


> John, had it been taken into a repair shop at any time previously.  If so,
> it may be that the had installed "their" version over the original to 
> solve
> a problem.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: 25 August 2009 22:10
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop hating
> Microsoft.
>
> I have it installed on all of my machines as well and it never branded me 
> a
> thief.  OTOH I was
> working on a neighbor's machine and it came in as one of the updates.  It
> branded them a thief.
>
> It doesn't seem to shut down the machine, just pops up a "Windows might be
> pirated" warning.  And
> they had the windows sticker on the side of their machine!
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all my
>> machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any problems
>> whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever.
> Once
>> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
>> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
>>
>> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any of
>> the machines.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just
> keep
>> clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software and
>> I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one.
>> You'd think registering software would be enough.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do 
>>> accidentally
>>> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes
>>> through
>>> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
>>> every time it starts, apparently.
>>
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Tue Aug 25 16:40:34 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:40:34 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
Message-ID: <sa94768c.047@cactus.dk>

Hi Robert

Search Google for "remove WGA" or similar and you'll find even a batch file that removes the bastard.
That said, like others we have seen only very few issues caused by this.

/gustav


>>> robert at webedb.com 25-08-2009 20:14 >>>
SO how do you get rid of it?

At 12:00 PM 8/25/2009, you wrote:
>From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com 
>[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
>To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
>Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
>euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
>machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
>rid of.
>Cheers
>paul





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Tue Aug 25 17:01:32 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:01:32 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <245CA86BE08E4301B4D4135CF709C725@stevePC>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>,
	<4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com>,
	<245CA86BE08E4301B4D4135CF709C725@stevePC>
Message-ID: <4A945F3C.28852.F4289B8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

<aol>
Me too
</aol>

I've heard the horror stories, but I've never seen a single problem  - and I deal with lots  of 
client's computers installed in all sorts of environments.  

-- 
Stuart

On 26 Aug 2009 at 8:45, Steve Schapel wrote:

> Exactly the same for me, Max.
> 
> Regards
> Steve
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:33 AM
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> > Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all my
> > machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any problems
> > whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever. 
> > Once
> > installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
> > auto-downloaded and user requested options.
> >
> > It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any of
> > the machines.
>  
> 
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From bheid at sc.rr.com  Tue Aug 25 17:21:51 2009
From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:21:51 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 2008 Server drivers
In-Reply-To: <4A935A48.3010204@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <4A935A48.3010204@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <002701ca25d2$7216b0d0$56441270$@rr.com>

It is my understanding that Vista (maybe Vista SP1) and 2008 share the same
code base.

Thanks,
Bobby

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 11:28 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving; VBA
Subject: [AccessD] OT: 2008 Server drivers

I have decided to install 2008 Server Enterprise, 64 bit on one of my
machines.  I am wondering what 
server 2008 "looks like", or where it comes from.  Is it 2003 based?  Vista
based?

I am wondering where to go for chipset drivers.  It installed just fine and
started downloading 
updates.  As I write this it appears that one of the updates (or something)
caused a blue screen. 
We shall see if it blew the install out of the water.

To be honest I was impressed that the install worked at all.

-- 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 25 19:57:45 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:57:45 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time
	to	stophating	Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <A2C3EEDEBC49413483DF1E1591D1AC24@Mattys>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>	<47FF1A311222429FABA64A53E126161E@SusanOne>	<4a944a95.1c07d00a.70a1.fffff7cd@mx.google.com><4A945331.5010700@colbyconsulting.com>	<4a945555.1c07d00a.749b.03c4@mx.google.com>
	<A2C3EEDEBC49413483DF1E1591D1AC24@Mattys>
Message-ID: <4A948889.5030004@colbyconsulting.com>

I have no idea and no idea how to find out.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Mike Mattys wrote:
> JC, what is causing that SPAM-LOW? WGA?
> 
> -
> Michael R Mattys
> MapPoint and Database Dev
> www.mattysconsulting.com
> -
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Max Wanadoo" <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stophating 
> Microsoft.
> 
> 
>> John, had it been taken into a repair shop at any time previously.  If so,
>> it may be that the had installed "their" version over the original to 
>> solve
>> a problem.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> Sent: 25 August 2009 22:10
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop hating
>> Microsoft.
>>
>> I have it installed on all of my machines as well and it never branded me 
>> a
>> thief.  OTOH I was
>> working on a neighbor's machine and it came in as one of the updates.  It
>> branded them a thief.
>>
>> It doesn't seem to shut down the machine, just pops up a "Windows might be
>> pirated" warning.  And
>> they had the windows sticker on the side of their machine!
>>
>> John W. Colby
>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>>
>> Max Wanadoo wrote:
>>> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all my
>>> machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any problems
>>> whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any whatsoever.
>> Once
>>> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are
>>> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
>>>
>>> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any of
>>> the machines.
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
>>> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>>
>>> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just
>> keep
>>> clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software and
>>> I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with this one.
>>> You'd think registering software would be enough.
>>>
>>> Susan H.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do 
>>>> accidentally
>>>> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes
>>>> through
>>>> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
>>>> every time it starts, apparently.
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> 


From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Tue Aug 25 22:01:34 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:01:34 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4a945123.0a1ad00a.5f73.7f25@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C7941C@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>


The folks who put out the windows secrets newsletter report a lot of
issues with WGA fouling up people's systems.  It has happened to me
before, even though I legit copies of all MS software.  It can be really
bothersome if you change a piece of hardware on your PC, or have to
re-install the OS as you need to 'revalidate' the license key.  This
usually fail the automatically registration and you have to phone up
Microsoft - From Australia you normally get a call centre somewhere in
India or Asia.  If you get lucky the operator will reset the key for you
over the phone.  If you don't get lucky MS state that you have already
registered that piece of software and you have to prove that you are
installing it (hard to do over the phone) - sometimes they are rather
aggressive about it - I have experience this with perfectly legal
software re-installs.

In my experience if you don't get a good result, hang up and try again -
you nearly always get someone else who is happy to give you a new
license key id the next time you call.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers
Darryl.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2009 7:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But why, I wonder. The first thing I do after installing or running for
the first time is to go for Windows update at which point (or
thereabouts), it kicks in - I accept it and then never  hear anything
from then on.  


I am talking for many years now on many machines.  WGA has never caused
me a problem.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: 25 August 2009 21:41
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Astonishing, Max. You are a fortunate man. Tears poured in forums
suggest the majority is far from so well treated.

2009/8/25 Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>

> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all 
> my machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any 
> problems whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any
whatsoever.
>  Once
> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are 
> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
>
> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any

> of the machines.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
> Harkins
> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just
keep
> clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software 
> and I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with
this one.
> You'd think registering software would be enough.
>
> Susan H.
>
>
> > Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do
accidentally
> > install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes 
> > through alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It 
> > harasses the owner every time it starts, apparently.
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Tue Aug 25 22:30:56 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:30:56 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C7941C@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
References: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C7941C@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
Message-ID: <4A94AC70.5040906@colbyconsulting.com>

I have had to make the call a dozen or more times over the years, as I routinely upgrade my 
computers.  I have never ever had an operator deny me a new key.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Collins, Darryl wrote:
> The folks who put out the windows secrets newsletter report a lot of
> issues with WGA fouling up people's systems.  It has happened to me
> before, even though I legit copies of all MS software.  It can be really
> bothersome if you change a piece of hardware on your PC, or have to
> re-install the OS as you need to 'revalidate' the license key.  This
> usually fail the automatically registration and you have to phone up
> Microsoft - From Australia you normally get a call centre somewhere in
> India or Asia.  If you get lucky the operator will reset the key for you
> over the phone.  If you don't get lucky MS state that you have already
> registered that piece of software and you have to prove that you are
> installing it (hard to do over the phone) - sometimes they are rather
> aggressive about it - I have experience this with perfectly legal
> software re-installs.
> 
> In my experience if you don't get a good result, hang up and try again -
> you nearly always get someone else who is happy to give you a new
> license key id the next time you call.
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> 
> Cheers
> Darryl.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 August 2009 7:01 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> But why, I wonder. The first thing I do after installing or running for
> the first time is to go for Windows update at which point (or
> thereabouts), it kicks in - I accept it and then never  hear anything
> from then on.  
> 
> 
> I am talking for many years now on many machines.  WGA has never caused
> me a problem.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:41
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> Astonishing, Max. You are a fortunate man. Tears poured in forums
> suggest the majority is far from so well treated.
> 
> 2009/8/25 Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com>
> 
>> Not being argumentative or anything, but I have WGA installed on all 
>> my machines and all those at work. I have never experienced any 
>> problems whatsoever over the years it has been installed. Never any
> whatsoever.
>>  Once
>> installed, I have never heard a peep out of it.  All my updates are 
>> auto-downloaded and user requested options.
>>
>> It has never reported any bad software good, bad or indifferent on any
> 
>> of the machines.
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan 
>> Harkins
>> Sent: 25 August 2009 21:19
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> I hate WGA -- I haven't installed it and don't intend to, so I'll just
> keep
>> clicking the Close button and ignoring it. I have no pirated software 
>> and I'm not hiding a thing. MS has just pissed me off royally with
> this one.
>> You'd think registering software would be enough.
>>
>> Susan H.
>>
>>
>>> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do
> accidentally
>>> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes 
>>> through alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It 
>>> harasses the owner every time it starts, apparently.
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Tue Aug 25 23:17:20 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:17:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca2359$6d417bb0$47c47310$@spb.ru>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<002201ca233a$3481d640$9d8582c0$@spb.ru><D8EF48A6B43348BE820A713FE6603B35@HAL9005>
	<002c01ca2359$6d417bb0$47c47310$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <6030DF7779E64F029D5557BF4F8175AC@HAL9005>

It's like a window on your life Shamil.  Did you spend time as a kid in
Karelia?  It looks kind of like our Sierras here is California - without the
elevation - but a kind of wilderness - nature.  But the music I can't relate
to.  It's too different than what I grew up on - Beatles, Stones, Motown.

Rocky


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

I was a kid that time in 60ies - The Beatles (and The Rolling Stones, Led
Zeppelin, Uriah Heep, Pink Floyd...) came to me/my age friends a bit later
somewhere in 1974-1975 AFAIKR)...

I have mainly positive memories on 60ies (as well as on 70ies, 80ies, 90ies,
00ies :))- 60ies were a very romantic time here - you can hear a few songs
and see some pics and clips I was grown on:

Karelia Dreams
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOzUZnZHEsY

Baltic Wind (Song about St.Petersburg (Leningrad))
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU5wQxwsSco

Caravel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCg0wbx5YPM

Tenderness Song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR-sl82-sd4

Song About A Friend
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IykzLy3b2Nc

Rain On Neva
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyvIr2GypBc

...
  
Now you can understand why I have mainly positive memories on 70ies, 80ies,
90ies, 00ies :) - the romantics of 60ies when I have got grown as a kid here
made my body and soul quite resistant to the modern cynical times... (And
I'm not "romanticizing" ex-USSR - I'm just sharing my memories how I have
had them, how I'm feeling about them now...)

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:17 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

How positively 60s of you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzJ2NKp23WU

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Shamil
Salakhetdinov
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:07 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Nobody. 
Stop hating and fighting. 
Love is the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aKus77x5rs

Thank you.

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 5:42 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

But who will we hate instead?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is a weekend reading you can find interesting and promising:
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft Has Turned The Corner
> 
> http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2009/07/microsoft-has-turned-corner.html
> 
>  
> 
> Microsoft is Getting Things Right This Time
> 
> http://www.labnol.org/software/microsoft-getting-things-right/8902/
> 
>  
> 
> Bing, the Imitator, Often Goes Google One Better
> 
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
>
<http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/09/technology/personaltech/09pogue.html?_r=3
> &hpw> &hpw
> 
>  
> 
> Have nice weekend.
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you.
> 
>  
> 
> --
> 
> Shamil
> 
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 26 08:04:15 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:04:15 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Dreamspark - FREE DEVELOPER SOFTWARE for students
Message-ID: <4A9532CF.1060505@colbyconsulting.com>

Yesterday I registered at my local community college for a C# class.  In talking to the teacher I 
discovered that Microsoft is giving away software to students.  In order to get the software you 
must have an email address that ends in .edu, which you would get through your school.

I am currently downloading VS 2008 Professional!

Go to:

www.dreamspark.com

Available software:

Visual Studio 2008 Professional
SQL Server 2008 Professional
Windows Server 2008 Standard
Virtual PC
Expression Studio 3
Robotics Developer Studio 2008
XNA game studio 3.1

as well as links to all of the express editions of visual studio (which is already free).  I'm not 
even sure what those last three are.

Conspicuously missing is any version of Office.  But for us developers...

The software comes as an ISO so you will have to burn it to disk or otherwise mount it on a virtual 
disk drive.

BTW AFAICT this may also be available for students "overseas" as we in the US call it.

As for Office, I think I already mentioned:

http://www.microsoft.com/student/discounts/theultimatesteal-us/default.aspx


-- 
John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Aug 26 08:14:23 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:14:23 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>

Paul,

   I've never had a problem with it either on any machine I've worked on.
And I think your thinking on this is incorrect.  Just because Microsoft is
"the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world" doesn't mean it doesn't
have rights.

   WGA would not exist if not for pirated copies of their software; how
often on this list have we discussed means of protecting our own software?
Would you deny them the same right? 

   And sorry, but they don't just "stroll in"; you either purchased a PC
with Windows (their software) and accepted the EULA or you went out and
bought it.  Detectives and the tax man don't own anything on your PC.
Microsoft does.  So the comparison you gave is comparing apples and oranges.

  If your really that unhappy with a software company protecting its rights,
then go and use another OS on *your* PC, which BTW is the only thing that
you truly own.  

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:09 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets
onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you
don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or
restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find it.

Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes through
alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
every time it starts, apparently.

The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software on
your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'

But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that you
might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in
and look through your computer.

There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this is
the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man in
the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can.
And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the
computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.

So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve to
be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do
they deserve our support.
Cheers
paul

2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>

> Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
> And your point is?
>
> Charlotte Foust
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
> euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
> machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
> rid of.
> Cheers
> paul
>
> 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>
> > Are you volunteering again, JC?
> >
> > Charlotte
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> >
> > But who will we hate instead?
> >
> > John W. Colby
> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
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Phone 0208 241 0567
Mob 07866 996377
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All we are not stares back at what we are.
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 08:22:59 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:22:59 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
Message-ID: <43C47DF42AE9451BA2852F8F0EB538F4@SusanOne>

Jim, what you're saying is -- that if I want to run a Windows os, I have to 
let MS search my system? And, I should be happy to let them do so?

It's intrusive beyond what's necessary. It goes beyond protecting their 
rights. I've registered my software as required. That needs to be it.

Susan H.

> Paul,
>
>   I've never had a problem with it either on any machine I've worked on.
> And I think your thinking on this is incorrect.  Just because Microsoft is
> "the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world" doesn't mean it doesn't
> have rights.
>
>   WGA would not exist if not for pirated copies of their software; how
> often on this list have we discussed means of protecting our own software?
> Would you deny them the same right?
>
>   And sorry, but they don't just "stroll in"; you either purchased a PC
> with Windows (their software) and accepted the EULA or you went out and
> bought it.  Detectives and the tax man don't own anything on your PC.
> Microsoft does.  So the comparison you gave is comparing apples and 
> oranges.
>
>  If your really that unhappy with a software company protecting its 
> rights,
> then go and use another OS on *your* PC, which BTW is the only thing that
> you truly own.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets
> onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you
> don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or
> restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find 
> it.
>
> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes 
> through
> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> every time it starts, apparently.
>
> The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software 
> on
> your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'
>
> But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that 
> you
> might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in
> and look through your computer.
>
> There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
> against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this 
> is
> the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man 
> in
> the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can.
> And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the
> computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.
>
> So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve 
> to
> be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do
> they deserve our support.
> Cheers
> paul
>
> 2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>
>> Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
>> And your point is?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
>> euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
>> machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
>> rid of.
>> Cheers
>> paul
>>
>> 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>
>> > Are you volunteering again, JC?
>> >
>> > Charlotte
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>> >
>> > But who will we hate instead?
>> >
>> > John W. Colby
>> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
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> email paul.rodgers at bcs.org
> Phone 0208 241 0567
> Mob 07866 996377
> Skype sinbadly07
> ......................
>>From the deck of a boat, out of sight of land,
> All we are not stares back at what we are.
> - W H Auden 'The Sea and the Mirror'
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 26 08:29:02 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:29:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop hating
	Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
Message-ID: <4A95389E.4000307@colbyconsulting.com>

Yea!

And for my money Microsoft should open up WGA to us developers so that we can inspect for pirated 
copies of our software.  Imagine writing applications where we sell licenses and WGA automatically 
checks for the validity of licenses for our software as well as licenses for Microsoft's software. 
That would be radical.

8)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jim Dettman wrote:
> Paul,
> 
>    I've never had a problem with it either on any machine I've worked on.
> And I think your thinking on this is incorrect.  Just because Microsoft is
> "the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world" doesn't mean it doesn't
> have rights.
> 
>    WGA would not exist if not for pirated copies of their software; how
> often on this list have we discussed means of protecting our own software?
> Would you deny them the same right? 
> 
>    And sorry, but they don't just "stroll in"; you either purchased a PC
> with Windows (their software) and accepted the EULA or you went out and
> bought it.  Detectives and the tax man don't own anything on your PC.
> Microsoft does.  So the comparison you gave is comparing apples and oranges.
> 
>   If your really that unhappy with a software company protecting its rights,
> then go and use another OS on *your* PC, which BTW is the only thing that
> you truly own.  
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets
> onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you
> don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or
> restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find it.
> 
> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes through
> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> every time it starts, apparently.
> 
> The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software on
> your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'
> 
> But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that you
> might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in
> and look through your computer.
> 
> There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
> against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this is
> the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man in
> the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can.
> And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the
> computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.
> 
> So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve to
> be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do
> they deserve our support.
> Cheers
> paul
> 
> 2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> 
>> Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
>> And your point is?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
>> euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
>> machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
>> rid of.
>> Cheers
>> paul
>>
>> 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>
>>> Are you volunteering again, JC?
>>>
>>> Charlotte
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>>
>>> But who will we hate instead?
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>> --
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>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
> 
> 
> 


From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Aug 26 08:39:52 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:39:52 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <43C47DF42AE9451BA2852F8F0EB538F4@SusanOne>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
	<43C47DF42AE9451BA2852F8F0EB538F4@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <5ADDE8D6405B4AEB82D02BCC38FF4F57@XPS>

Susan,

  I don't agree.  How many of us on this very list have identified HD's, NIC
cards, checked for registry entries, existence of files, etc. all in an
effort to protect our software?   And the search you state is limited to
verifying that indeed the copy of Windows/Office is legitimate. It's not
like they are going through every Excel spreadsheet on my system to verify
that it was created with a valid copy of Office. 

<<Jim, what you're saying is -- that if I want to run a Windows os, I have
to 
let MS search my system? And, I should be happy to let them do so?>>
  
  Yes, exactly that.  If you don't want to use their software under their
terms, which as developers we all do with our own software, then use another
OS and be subject to someone else's terms or write your own.  Of course
given the substantial amount of work required for the latter, you might want
to use some form of copy protection...

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

Jim, what you're saying is -- that if I want to run a Windows os, I have to 
let MS search my system? And, I should be happy to let them do so?

It's intrusive beyond what's necessary. It goes beyond protecting their 
rights. I've registered my software as required. That needs to be it.

Susan H.

> Paul,
>
>   I've never had a problem with it either on any machine I've worked on.
> And I think your thinking on this is incorrect.  Just because Microsoft is
> "the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world" doesn't mean it doesn't
> have rights.
>
>   WGA would not exist if not for pirated copies of their software; how
> often on this list have we discussed means of protecting our own software?
> Would you deny them the same right?
>
>   And sorry, but they don't just "stroll in"; you either purchased a PC
> with Windows (their software) and accepted the EULA or you went out and
> bought it.  Detectives and the tax man don't own anything on your PC.
> Microsoft does.  So the comparison you gave is comparing apples and 
> oranges.
>
>  If your really that unhappy with a software company protecting its 
> rights,
> then go and use another OS on *your* PC, which BTW is the only thing that
> you truly own.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets
> onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you
> don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or
> restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find 
> it.
>
> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes 
> through
> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> every time it starts, apparently.
>
> The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software 
> on
> your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'
>
> But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that 
> you
> might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in
> and look through your computer.
>
> There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
> against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this 
> is
> the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man 
> in
> the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can.
> And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the
> computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.
>
> So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve 
> to
> be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do
> they deserve our support.
> Cheers
> paul
>
> 2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>
>> Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
>> And your point is?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
>> euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
>> machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
>> rid of.
>> Cheers
>> paul
>>
>> 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>
>> > Are you volunteering again, JC?
>> >
>> > Charlotte
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>> >
>> > But who will we hate instead?
>> >
>> > John W. Colby
>> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>
>> --
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>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Paul Rodgers MBCS
> email paul.rodgers at bcs.org
> Phone 0208 241 0567
> Mob 07866 996377
> Skype sinbadly07
> ......................
>>From the deck of a boat, out of sight of land,
> All we are not stares back at what we are.
> - W H Auden 'The Sea and the Mirror'
> -- 
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>
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Wed Aug 26 08:44:36 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:44:36 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop
	hatingMicrosoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A95389E.4000307@colbyconsulting.com>
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  That's a great idea John!

  Thinking along those lines, it's too bad VMS didn't come into the modern
world more; it had the LMF (License Management Facility) built right into
it.  It protected all installed software under it.  You could manage your
license by date, number of users, tie it to the CPU, weight based methods,
etc.

  VMS was a wonderful OS in so many ways

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:29 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop
hatingMicrosoft.

Yea!

And for my money Microsoft should open up WGA to us developers so that we
can inspect for pirated 
copies of our software.  Imagine writing applications where we sell licenses
and WGA automatically 
checks for the validity of licenses for our software as well as licenses for
Microsoft's software. 
That would be radical.

8)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Jim Dettman wrote:
> Paul,
> 
>    I've never had a problem with it either on any machine I've worked on.
> And I think your thinking on this is incorrect.  Just because Microsoft is
> "the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world" doesn't mean it doesn't
> have rights.
> 
>    WGA would not exist if not for pirated copies of their software; how
> often on this list have we discussed means of protecting our own software?
> Would you deny them the same right? 
> 
>    And sorry, but they don't just "stroll in"; you either purchased a PC
> with Windows (their software) and accepted the EULA or you went out and
> bought it.  Detectives and the tax man don't own anything on your PC.
> Microsoft does.  So the comparison you gave is comparing apples and
oranges.
> 
>   If your really that unhappy with a software company protecting its
rights,
> then go and use another OS on *your* PC, which BTW is the only thing that
> you truly own.  
> 
> Jim.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> 
> The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets
> onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you
> don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or
> restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find
it.
> 
> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes
through
> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> every time it starts, apparently.
> 
> The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software
on
> your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'
> 
> But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that
you
> might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in
> and look through your computer.
> 
> There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
> against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this
is
> the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man
in
> the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can.
> And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the
> computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.
> 
> So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve
to
> be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do
> they deserve our support.
> Cheers
> paul
> 
> 2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> 
>> Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
>> And your point is?
>>
>> Charlotte Foust
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
>> euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
>> machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
>> rid of.
>> Cheers
>> paul
>>
>> 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>
>>> Are you volunteering again, JC?
>>>
>>> Charlotte
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>>
>>> But who will we hate instead?
>>>
>>> John W. Colby
>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
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>>
> 
> 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 08:54:49 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:54:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop hating
	Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A95389E.4000307@colbyconsulting.com>
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	<C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
	<4A95389E.4000307@colbyconsulting.com>
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ooohhh...lateral thinking, Johnny...I like that...

max


On 8/26/09, jwcolby <jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> wrote:
> Yea!
>
> And for my money Microsoft should open up WGA to us developers so that we
> can inspect for pirated
> copies of our software.  Imagine writing applications where we sell licenses
> and WGA automatically
> checks for the validity of licenses for our software as well as licenses for
> Microsoft's software.
> That would be radical.
>
> 8)
>
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>
>
> Jim Dettman wrote:
>> Paul,
>>
>>    I've never had a problem with it either on any machine I've worked on.
>> And I think your thinking on this is incorrect.  Just because Microsoft is
>> "the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world" doesn't mean it doesn't
>> have rights.
>>
>>    WGA would not exist if not for pirated copies of their software; how
>> often on this list have we discussed means of protecting our own software?
>> Would you deny them the same right?
>>
>>    And sorry, but they don't just "stroll in"; you either purchased a PC
>> with Windows (their software) and accepted the EULA or you went out and
>> bought it.  Detectives and the tax man don't own anything on your PC.
>> Microsoft does.  So the comparison you gave is comparing apples and
>> oranges.
>>
>>   If your really that unhappy with a software company protecting its
>> rights,
>> then go and use another OS on *your* PC, which BTW is the only thing that
>> you truly own.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:09 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets
>> onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you
>> don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or
>> restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find
>> it.
>>
>> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
>> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes
>> through
>> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
>> every time it starts, apparently.
>>
>> The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software
>> on
>> your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'
>>
>> But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that
>> you
>> might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in
>> and look through your computer.
>>
>> There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
>> against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this
>> is
>> the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man
>> in
>> the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can.
>> And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the
>> computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.
>>
>> So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve
>> to
>> be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do
>> they deserve our support.
>> Cheers
>> paul
>>
>> 2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>
>>> Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
>>> And your point is?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
>>> euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
>>> machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
>>> rid of.
>>> Cheers
>>> paul
>>>
>>> 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>>
>>>> Are you volunteering again, JC?
>>>>
>>>> Charlotte
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
>>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>>>
>>>> But who will we hate instead?
>>>>
>>>> John W. Colby
>>>> www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 08:55:50 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:55:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <5ADDE8D6405B4AEB82D02BCC38FF4F57@XPS>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
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Susan,
It is going through your Registry, not your Drawers...loosen up...

max



On 8/26/09, Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net> wrote:
> Susan,
>
>   I don't agree.  How many of us on this very list have identified HD's, NIC
> cards, checked for registry entries, existence of files, etc. all in an
> effort to protect our software?   And the search you state is limited to
> verifying that indeed the copy of Windows/Office is legitimate. It's not
> like they are going through every Excel spreadsheet on my system to verify
> that it was created with a valid copy of Office.
>
> <<Jim, what you're saying is -- that if I want to run a Windows os, I have
> to
> let MS search my system? And, I should be happy to let them do so?>>
>
>   Yes, exactly that.  If you don't want to use their software under their
> terms, which as developers we all do with our own software, then use another
> OS and be subject to someone else's terms or write your own.  Of course
> given the substantial amount of work required for the latter, you might want
> to use some form of copy protection...
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> Jim, what you're saying is -- that if I want to run a Windows os, I have to
> let MS search my system? And, I should be happy to let them do so?
>
> It's intrusive beyond what's necessary. It goes beyond protecting their
> rights. I've registered my software as required. That needs to be it.
>
> Susan H.
>
>> Paul,
>>
>>   I've never had a problem with it either on any machine I've worked on.
>> And I think your thinking on this is incorrect.  Just because Microsoft is
>> "the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world" doesn't mean it doesn't
>> have rights.
>>
>>   WGA would not exist if not for pirated copies of their software; how
>> often on this list have we discussed means of protecting our own software?
>> Would you deny them the same right?
>>
>>   And sorry, but they don't just "stroll in"; you either purchased a PC
>> with Windows (their software) and accepted the EULA or you went out and
>> bought it.  Detectives and the tax man don't own anything on your PC.
>> Microsoft does.  So the comparison you gave is comparing apples and
>> oranges.
>>
>>  If your really that unhappy with a software company protecting its
>> rights,
>> then go and use another OS on *your* PC, which BTW is the only thing that
>> you truly own.
>>
>> Jim.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:09 PM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>
>> The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets
>> onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you
>> don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or
>> restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find
>> it.
>>
>> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
>> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes
>> through
>> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
>> every time it starts, apparently.
>>
>> The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software
>> on
>> your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'
>>
>> But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that
>> you
>> might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in
>> and look through your computer.
>>
>> There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
>> against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this
>> is
>> the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man
>> in
>> the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can.
>> And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the
>> computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.
>>
>> So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve
>> to
>> be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do
>> they deserve our support.
>> Cheers
>> paul
>>
>> 2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>
>>> Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
>>> And your point is?
>>>
>>> Charlotte Foust
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
>>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
>>> euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
>>> machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
>>> rid of.
>>> Cheers
>>> paul
>>>
>>> 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>>>
>>> > Are you volunteering again, JC?
>>> >
>>> > Charlotte
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>>> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
>>> > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
>>> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>>> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>>> >
>>> > But who will we hate instead?
>>> >
>>> > John W. Colby
>>> > www.ColbyConsulting.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> AccessD mailing list
>>> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
>>> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
>>> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> email paul.rodgers at bcs.org
>> Phone 0208 241 0567
>> Mob 07866 996377
>> Skype sinbadly07
>> ......................
>>>From the deck of a boat, out of sight of land,
>> All we are not stares back at what we are.
>> - W H Auden 'The Sea and the Mirror'
>> --
>> AccessD mailing list
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>>
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From ssharkins at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 09:17:08 2009
From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:17:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com><C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS><43C47DF42AE9451BA2852F8F0EB538F4@SusanOne><5ADDE8D6405B4AEB82D02BCC38FF4F57@XPS>
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Message-ID: <466ECDA1769841BAB5FB4EE595EF16F7@SusanOne>

I don't really care. When I register software, it can do as it pleases. 
Otherwise, it should leave me alone.

Hah -- you noticed that I'm losing weight -- if I loosen up my drawers, they 
will fall down! ;)

Susan H.



> Susan,
> It is going through your Registry, not your Drawers...loosen up...



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 09:34:29 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:34:29 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <466ECDA1769841BAB5FB4EE595EF16F7@SusanOne>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
	<43C47DF42AE9451BA2852F8F0EB538F4@SusanOne>
	<5ADDE8D6405B4AEB82D02BCC38FF4F57@XPS>
	<cda8f54e0908260655h35e2373n327aadf6148c6c67@mail.gmail.com>
	<466ECDA1769841BAB5FB4EE595EF16F7@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <cda8f54e0908260734k7381ff4gc4cc173d822d2273@mail.gmail.com>

>> if I loosen up my drawers, they will fall down! ;)

That should deter anybody.....LOL

Seriously, as others have said, YOUR software runs to your
specification.  MS's should be allowed to do the same.  If you want it
to Dial Home as part of the agreement, then you expect the users to
let it do so.  MS actually gives you the option but, reasonably, says
that if you dont want to then that is ok just dont expect us to update
your system.  i am quite happy and relaxed about MS's stand on this.
I do not agree with their pricing structures but it is up to me to buy
or not to buy.

max


On 8/26/09, Susan Harkins <ssharkins at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't really care. When I register software, it can do as it pleases.
> Otherwise, it should leave me alone.
>
> Hah -- you noticed that I'm losing weight -- if I loosen up my drawers, they
> will fall down! ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
>> Susan,
>> It is going through your Registry, not your Drawers...loosen up...
>
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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 26 09:34:30 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:34:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Did You Know?  -  Tool Tips in Access
Message-ID: <D724517345EC4E9D925C0AA4D7ADE300@danwaters>

Did you know that you can create a tool tip that has multiple lines?

It's easy!

1) Select anything in design view that has ControlTip Text in 
   properties (Other tab).
2) Type in your first line.
3) Hold down the Ctrl key and push Enter.
4) Type a space. (Without a space this blank line gets ignored.)
5) Hold down the Ctrl Key and push Enter.
6) Type in your second line.
7) With the cursor in the ControlTip Text field, move up and down with 
   the arrow keys to review what you entered.
8) Go back to form view to review the Tool Tip.


Have Fun!
Dan

PS - This also works for Tags.




From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 26 09:36:09 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:36:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] ENOUGH! (was: OT: It may be time to stop hating
	Microsoft.)
In-Reply-To: <466ECDA1769841BAB5FB4EE595EF16F7@SusanOne>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com><C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS><43C47DF42AE9451BA2852F8F0EB538F4@SusanOne><5ADDE8D6405B4AEB82D02BCC38FF4F57@XPS><cda8f54e0908260655h35e2373n327aadf6148c6c67@mail.gmail.com>
	<466ECDA1769841BAB5FB4EE595EF16F7@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <66CF5208E26C41558173C36EE63A504F@danwaters>

PLEASE TAKE 'HATING MICROSOFT' TO THE OT LIST!!!

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:17 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.

I don't really care. When I register software, it can do as it pleases. 
Otherwise, it should leave me alone.

Hah -- you noticed that I'm losing weight -- if I loosen up my drawers, they

will fall down! ;)

Susan H.



> Susan,
> It is going through your Registry, not your Drawers...loosen up...

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 09:37:26 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:37:26 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Did You Know? - Tool Tips in Access
In-Reply-To: <D724517345EC4E9D925C0AA4D7ADE300@danwaters>
References: <D724517345EC4E9D925C0AA4D7ADE300@danwaters>
Message-ID: <cda8f54e0908260737q22c1b29cu35632b81e7d8b6d2@mail.gmail.com>

sorry, you cannot use tags.  That is where we store our multi language
translations. <g>

max


On 8/26/09, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> Did you know that you can create a tool tip that has multiple lines?
>
> It's easy!
>
> 1) Select anything in design view that has ControlTip Text in
>    properties (Other tab).
> 2) Type in your first line.
> 3) Hold down the Ctrl key and push Enter.
> 4) Type a space. (Without a space this blank line gets ignored.)
> 5) Hold down the Ctrl Key and push Enter.
> 6) Type in your second line.
> 7) With the cursor in the ControlTip Text field, move up and down with
>    the arrow keys to review what you entered.
> 8) Go back to form view to review the Tool Tip.
>
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - This also works for Tags.
>
>
> --
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 10:03:19 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:03:19 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] ENOUGH! (was: OT: It may be time to stop hating
	Microsoft.)
In-Reply-To: <66CF5208E26C41558173C36EE63A504F@danwaters>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
	<43C47DF42AE9451BA2852F8F0EB538F4@SusanOne>
	<5ADDE8D6405B4AEB82D02BCC38FF4F57@XPS>
	<cda8f54e0908260655h35e2373n327aadf6148c6c67@mail.gmail.com>
	<466ECDA1769841BAB5FB4EE595EF16F7@SusanOne>
	<66CF5208E26C41558173C36EE63A504F@danwaters>
Message-ID: <cda8f54e0908260803k296c2e5egd0e65f13f1a2a5e4@mail.gmail.com>

Thought it was there...sorry...must learn to look at where things come from.

max


On 8/26/09, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> PLEASE TAKE 'HATING MICROSOFT' TO THE OT LIST!!!
>
> Dan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:17 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> I don't really care. When I register software, it can do as it pleases.
> Otherwise, it should leave me alone.
>
> Hah -- you noticed that I'm losing weight -- if I loosen up my drawers, they
>
> will fall down! ;)
>
> Susan H.
>
>
>
>> Susan,
>> It is going through your Registry, not your Drawers...loosen up...
>
> --
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
>
> --
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>


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 26 10:11:34 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:11:34 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Did You Know? - Tool Tips in Access
In-Reply-To: <cda8f54e0908260737q22c1b29cu35632b81e7d8b6d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D724517345EC4E9D925C0AA4D7ADE300@danwaters>
	<cda8f54e0908260737q22c1b29cu35632b81e7d8b6d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C67F560D3E9449FDA7BE5B6DF09A60C7@danwaters>

OK Max - no tags for me! ;-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Did You Know? - Tool Tips in Access

sorry, you cannot use tags.  That is where we store our multi language
translations. <g>

max


On 8/26/09, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> Did you know that you can create a tool tip that has multiple lines?
>
> It's easy!
>
> 1) Select anything in design view that has ControlTip Text in
>    properties (Other tab).
> 2) Type in your first line.
> 3) Hold down the Ctrl key and push Enter.
> 4) Type a space. (Without a space this blank line gets ignored.)
> 5) Hold down the Ctrl Key and push Enter.
> 6) Type in your second line.
> 7) With the cursor in the ControlTip Text field, move up and down with
>    the arrow keys to review what you entered.
> 8) Go back to form view to review the Tool Tip.
>
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - This also works for Tags.
>
>
> --
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 26 10:28:30 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:28:30 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Did You Know? - Tool Tips in Access
In-Reply-To: <C67F560D3E9449FDA7BE5B6DF09A60C7@danwaters>
References: <D724517345EC4E9D925C0AA4D7ADE300@danwaters><cda8f54e0908260737q22c1b29cu35632b81e7d8b6d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<C67F560D3E9449FDA7BE5B6DF09A60C7@danwaters>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE1C@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You can also do this by setting the tooltip in code, where you can use
the vbcrlf constant to insert the carriage return.  The code approach
also allows you to reflect variable information in the tooltip.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Did You Know? - Tool Tips in Access

OK Max - no tags for me! ;-)

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:37 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Did You Know? - Tool Tips in Access

sorry, you cannot use tags.  That is where we store our multi language
translations. <g>

max


On 8/26/09, Dan Waters <dwaters at usinternet.com> wrote:
> Did you know that you can create a tool tip that has multiple lines?
>
> It's easy!
>
> 1) Select anything in design view that has ControlTip Text in
>    properties (Other tab).
> 2) Type in your first line.
> 3) Hold down the Ctrl key and push Enter.
> 4) Type a space. (Without a space this blank line gets ignored.)
> 5) Hold down the Ctrl Key and push Enter.
> 6) Type in your second line.
> 7) With the cursor in the ControlTip Text field, move up and down with
>    the arrow keys to review what you entered.
> 8) Go back to form view to review the Tool Tip.
>
>
> Have Fun!
> Dan
>
> PS - This also works for Tags.
>
>
> --
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
>
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 26 11:11:38 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:11:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <466ECDA1769841BAB5FB4EE595EF16F7@SusanOne>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com><C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS><43C47DF42AE9451BA2852F8F0EB538F4@SusanOne><5ADDE8D6405B4AEB82D02BCC38FF4F57@XPS>	<cda8f54e0908260655h35e2373n327aadf6148c6c67@mail.gmail.com>
	<466ECDA1769841BAB5FB4EE595EF16F7@SusanOne>
Message-ID: <4A955EBA.9060507@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Hah -- you noticed that I'm losing weight

Good for you, and me too.  25 lbs in 5 months.  p;ouilyfgobhiup; more lbs to go.  ;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Susan Harkins wrote:
> I don't really care. When I register software, it can do as it pleases. 
> Otherwise, it should leave me alone.
> 
> Hah -- you noticed that I'm losing weight -- if I loosen up my drawers, they 
> will fall down! ;)
> 
> Susan H.
> 
> 
> 
>> Susan,
>> It is going through your Registry, not your Drawers...loosen up...
> 


From paulrster at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 11:35:56 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:35:56 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
In-Reply-To: <C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908260935t1d339d7mabd243b5b7725b33@mail.gmail.com>

Good to hear your views, Jim. I've used windows since 3.1. And I have and
use Mac and Linux in varying amounts.

Of course people helping themselves instead of paying is a real problem, but
less of a problem for windows than for, say,  perhaps  movie companies and
music groups. After all, windows still makes an absolute killing, even if
some of the work is pirated.

It seems very interesting to me, if only from a humanist point of view that
the one firm that takes the law into their own hands is the one making an
unbelievable amount from the IT revolution.

 Anyway, very good of you to spell out your views of it, and I am grateful.

Salut

paul


2009/8/26 Jim Dettman <jimdettman at verizon.net>

> Paul,
>
>   I've never had a problem with it either on any machine I've worked on.
> And I think your thinking on this is incorrect.  Just because Microsoft is
> "the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world" doesn't mean it doesn't
> have rights.
>
>   WGA would not exist if not for pirated copies of their software; how
> often on this list have we discussed means of protecting our own software?
> Would you deny them the same right?
>
>   And sorry, but they don't just "stroll in"; you either purchased a PC
> with Windows (their software) and accepted the EULA or you went out and
> bought it.  Detectives and the tax man don't own anything on your PC.
> Microsoft does.  So the comparison you gave is comparing apples and
> oranges.
>
>  If your really that unhappy with a software company protecting its rights,
> then go and use another OS on *your* PC, which BTW is the only thing that
> you truly own.
>
> Jim.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 4:09 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
>
> The point is, Charlotte, that Microsoft circulate snoop software that gets
> onto your computer without your authority, and without asking you. If you
> don't install WGA, it just keeps appearing every time you start (or
> restart). It's somewhere among the startup programs, but you won't find it.
>
> Of course, that's nothing compared to what happens if you do accidentally
> install it. So many forums talk of the absolute nuisance it becomes through
> alleging legitimately bought software is pirated. It harasses the owner
> every time it starts, apparently.
>
> The conservatives among us will say, 'Well, if you have pirated software on
> your machine, you have only yourself to blame.'
>
> But detectives don't suddenly walk into your home on the off chance that
> you
> might have something you shouldn't have. The taxman doesn't just stroll in
> and look through your computer.
>
> There MIGHT be some empathy if it was being done by a company that was
> against the wall through so much of its software being pirated. But this is
> the biggest, wealthiest company in the IT world, owned by the richest man
> in
> the world, acting as no other organisation and no democratic country can.
> And, Charlotte, we made them wealthy, and him the wealthiest. Yet we, the
> computer user, is treated appallingly and undemocratically by them.
>
> So my point is that before we start loving Microsoft, they should deserve
> to
> be loved. In my book, WGA is proof that they don't deserve it and nor do
> they deserve our support.
> Cheers
> paul
>
> 2009/8/25 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
>
> > Sounds a lot like Windows!  LOL
> > And your point is?
> >
> > Charlotte Foust
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Rodgers
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 8:06 AM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> >
> > Interesting that the pro-microsofties haven't mentioned the
> > euphemistically-named Windows Genuine Advantage which arrives on
> > machines unannounced,  unwelcome, and is just about impossible to get
> > rid of.
> > Cheers
> > paul
> >
> > 2009/8/24 Charlotte Foust <cfoust at infostatsystems.com>
> >
> > > Are you volunteering again, JC?
> > >
> > > Charlotte
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:42 AM
> > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: It may be time to stop hating Microsoft.
> > >
> > > But who will we hate instead?
> > >
> > > John W. Colby
> > > www.ColbyConsulting.com
> >
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> >
>
>
>


From jengross at gte.net  Wed Aug 26 11:38:31 2009
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:38:31 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
Message-ID: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>

For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
client is welcome.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
(805) 480-1921
databasics
Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 12:01:12 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:01:12 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
Message-ID: <4a956a6d.0a1ad00a.2029.3610@mx.google.com>

> Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.

Is pretty good.

You could stretch it a bit by adding...." to minimise overheads and maximise
profits"



Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: 26 August 2009 17:39
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
client is welcome.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
(805) 480-1921
databasics
Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 26 12:07:19 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:07:19 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
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Not sure this is so OT, but here are a couple of tips.

1.  Start with "You know ..."  as in "You know how you need a list of
customers at a moment's notice?"

2.  Then, "Well, I make that not only possible but easy, and here's
how...."

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:39 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
client is welcome.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
(805) 480-1921
databasics
Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
 

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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Wed Aug 26 12:08:05 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:08:05 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
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That's supposed to be "elevator speech", not marketing rhetoric, Max!
LOL 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

> Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.

Is pretty good.

You could stretch it a bit by adding...." to minimise overheads and
maximise profits"



Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: 26 August 2009 17:39
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
client is welcome.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
(805) 480-1921
databasics
Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
 

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From jengross at gte.net  Wed Aug 26 12:18:13 2009
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:18:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE24@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <002d01ca2671$31ba3fd0$a601a8c0@trudy>

Great lead in Charlotte.  I've been told to ask what they do first.
Find out a little about them and then fit my service into their needs.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:07 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech


Not sure this is so OT, but here are a couple of tips.

1.  Start with "You know ..."  as in "You know how you need a list of
customers at a moment's notice?"

2.  Then, "Well, I make that not only possible but easy, and here's
how...."

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:39 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
client is welcome.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
(805) 480-1921
databasics
Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
 

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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 12:21:22 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:21:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908261021x77b3a065m891916ce6f95167a@mail.gmail.com>

My clients are often small businesses who are doing accounting, inventory
control, or other business tasks using Excel and who are finding that it's
getting really unwieldy.  So, the 'are you using Excel to run your business
and about to have a nervous breakdown?' approach might be one you could use.

Doug

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Gross <jengross at gte.net> wrote:

> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
> business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
> database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
> client is welcome.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jennifer Gross
>


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 12:29:43 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:29:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE25@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>	<4a956a6d.0a1ad00a.2029.3610@mx.google.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE25@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <4a957125.0506d00a.2d2c.1db2@mx.google.com>

Not so, she asked 

" on how to describe database development in 30 seconds to the lay person
you want as a client is welcome."

And I say, 

" Database development is targeted at helping businesses to effectively
manage and utilize their existing and essential information with the aim of
minimising overheads and maximising profitability"

I didn't think, on this list, to have to specifically fill in all the
blanks....<g>

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: 26 August 2009 18:08
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

That's supposed to be "elevator speech", not marketing rhetoric, Max!
LOL 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:01 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

> Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.

Is pretty good.

You could stretch it a bit by adding...." to minimise overheads and
maximise profits"



Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: 26 August 2009 17:39
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
client is welcome.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
(805) 480-1921
databasics
Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
 

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Wed Aug 26 12:36:46 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:36:46 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
Message-ID: <1BCBC7D9413D4D3A8F4ED9BC72A0F88B@danwaters>

Hi Jennifer,

You start out with, "I know exactly how to help you make more money.  What
we'll do is . . ."

It sounds a little hokey, and they may smile because they know you're trying
to get their attention, but you do have their attention for the next minute
or so.  The next part is crucial - you need to begin talking about their
business in terms they understand, and they want to hear examples that they
can relate to, and want to know, at least later, how much more money they'll
make.  

To do this you'll need to know, before talking with them, the basics of
their business.  If you know the typical problems or bottlenecks or issues
they may have, you can describe how you've helped another customer with
something similar.  Try to say what the problem was, how things work now
after you helped, and say it in terms the business owner can convert into
money.  Like, "Now they can handle this with their permanent staff instead
of sometimes having to quickly find someone temporary to get it all done."

If you have good relationships with your current customers, you could ask
them how they would describe how you've helped them to one of their business
colleagues.  

Don't talk about databases or programming - eyes will lose focus!  Say, "I
can make a system/software/package/tool ..."  

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:39 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
client is welcome.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
(805) 480-1921
databasics
Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
 

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug 26 12:36:54 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:36:54 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
Message-ID: <7BF0F03EA71645C0AD95E4F861420CF4@HAL9005>

>From my web site:

Fast, Accurate, Professional Solutions in Microsoft Access

Database Business Solutions

To create a successful business application, two distinct skills are
required:

    * 1. A depth and breadth of experience in programming and in creating
applications with intuitive, easy-to-use interfaces.
    *

    * 2. An understanding of business practices, processes and systems.

Beach Access Software understands that business needs drive software
development, not the other way around. Our success is built on standing
between the client and the computer, translating the customer's requirements
for information into effective business applications. 

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:39 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do you
describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of mouth, but
recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the techie events they
have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small business owner I've
been struggling - any insights on how to describe database development in 30
seconds to the lay person you want as a client is welcome.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
(805) 480-1921
databasics
Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
 

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From jengross at gte.net  Wed Aug 26 12:39:13 2009
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:39:13 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908261021x77b3a065m891916ce6f95167a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001ca2674$20ec4f60$a601a8c0@trudy>

Hi Doug,

Yep, those are my clients too.  Good way of describing it.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:21 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech


My clients are often small businesses who are doing accounting,
inventory control, or other business tasks using Excel and who are
finding that it's getting really unwieldy.  So, the 'are you using Excel
to run your business and about to have a nervous breakdown?' approach
might be one you could use.

Doug

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Gross <jengross at gte.net>
wrote:

> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do

> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of 
> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the 
> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the 
> small business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to 
> describe database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want

> as a client is welcome.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jennifer Gross
>
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From jengross at gte.net  Wed Aug 26 12:43:15 2009
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:43:15 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <7BF0F03EA71645C0AD95E4F861420CF4@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <003101ca2674$b150ba00$a601a8c0@trudy>

Good wording Rocky.  I took a look at your website before developing
mine ;)  Think I grabbed that #2 line verbatim.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:37 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech


>From my web site:

Fast, Accurate, Professional Solutions in Microsoft Access

Database Business Solutions

To create a successful business application, two distinct skills are
required:

    * 1. A depth and breadth of experience in programming and in
creating applications with intuitive, easy-to-use interfaces.
    *

    * 2. An understanding of business practices, processes and systems.

Beach Access Software understands that business needs drive software
development, not the other way around. Our success is built on standing
between the client and the computer, translating the customer's
requirements for information into effective business applications. 

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:39 AM
To: AccessD List
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
client is welcome.

Thank you,

Jennifer Gross
(805) 480-1921
databasics
Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
 

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 26 12:56:38 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:56:38 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4a956a6d.0a1ad00a.2029.3610@mx.google.com>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
	<4a956a6d.0a1ad00a.2029.3610@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A957756.4040904@colbyconsulting.com>

LOL, that is MS marketing speak.  Especially the last.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
>> Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
> 
> Is pretty good.
> 
> You could stretch it a bit by adding...." to minimise overheads and maximise
> profits"
> 
> 
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
> Sent: 26 August 2009 17:39
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
> 
> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
> business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
> database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
> client is welcome.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jennifer Gross
> (805) 480-1921
> databasics
> Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
>  
> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Wed Aug 26 12:58:02 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:58:02 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908261021x77b3a065m891916ce6f95167a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
	<4dd71a0c0908261021x77b3a065m891916ce6f95167a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A9577AA.3040706@colbyconsulting.com>

 >'are you using Excel to run your business and about to have a nervous breakdown?'

ROTFL.  I like it!

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Doug Steele wrote:
> My clients are often small businesses who are doing accounting, inventory
> control, or other business tasks using Excel and who are finding that it's
> getting really unwieldy.  So, the 'are you using Excel to run your business
> and about to have a nervous breakdown?' approach might be one you could use.
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Gross <jengross at gte.net> wrote:
> 
>> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
>> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
>> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
>> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
>> business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
>> database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
>> client is welcome.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Jennifer Gross
>>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 26 16:46:44 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:46:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908261021x77b3a065m891916ce6f95167a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>,
	<4dd71a0c0908261021x77b3a065m891916ce6f95167a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A95AD44.92.44F8E9E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Good one!

Follow it up with "Excel is not a database!".

-- 
Stuart


On 26 Aug 2009 at 10:21, Doug Steele wrote:

> My clients are often small businesses who are doing accounting, inventory
> control, or other business tasks using Excel and who are finding that it's
> getting really unwieldy.  So, the 'are you using Excel to run your business
> and about to have a nervous breakdown?' approach might be one you could use.
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Gross <jengross at gte.net> wrote:
> 
> > For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
> > you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
> > mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
> > techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
> > business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
> > database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
> > client is welcome.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Jennifer Gross
> >
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 26 16:46:44 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:46:44 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>
Message-ID: <4A95AD44.27251.44F8E60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Your tag line is a pretty good start.

One I use is:

"Design and develop customised information systems to meet your specific management, 
operational and legislative needs. "

That is one the items on the front page of my website at http://www.lexacorp.com.pg/
There may be a few other pointers there for you.

-- 
Stuart


On 26 Aug 2009 at 9:38, Jennifer Gross wrote:

> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
> business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
> database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
> client is welcome.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jennifer Gross
> (805) 480-1921
> databasics
> Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
>  
> 
> -- 
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 26 16:49:17 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:49:17 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <7BF0F03EA71645C0AD95E4F861420CF4@HAL9005>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>,
	<7BF0F03EA71645C0AD95E4F861420CF4@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4A95ADDD.29853.451E352@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I think I might steal some of that for my site :-)

-- 
Stuart
 
On 26 Aug 2009 at 10:36, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> >From my web site:
> 
> Fast, Accurate, Professional Solutions in Microsoft Access
> 
> Database Business Solutions
> 
> To create a successful business application, two distinct skills are
> required:
> 
>     * 1. A depth and breadth of experience in programming and in creating
> applications with intuitive, easy-to-use interfaces.
>     *
> 
>     * 2. An understanding of business practices, processes and systems.
> 
> Beach Access Software understands that business needs drive software
> development, not the other way around. Our success is built on standing
> between the client and the computer, translating the customer's requirements
> for information into effective business applications. 
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer Gross
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:39 AM
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
> 
> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do you
> describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of mouth, but
> recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the techie events they
> have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small business owner I've
> been struggling - any insights on how to describe database development in 30
> seconds to the lay person you want as a client is welcome.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jennifer Gross
> (805) 480-1921
> databasics
> Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
>  
> 
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From jengross at gte.net  Wed Aug 26 16:59:23 2009
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:59:23 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4A95AD44.27251.44F8E60@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <004101ca2698$790f22c0$a601a8c0@trudy>

Thanks Stuart.  The focus is definitely on Your (the prospect's) needs
are unique.

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:47 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech


Your tag line is a pretty good start.

One I use is:

"Design and develop customised information systems to meet your specific
management, 
operational and legislative needs. "

That is one the items on the front page of my website at
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg/ There may be a few other pointers there for
you.

-- 
Stuart


On 26 Aug 2009 at 9:38, Jennifer Gross wrote:

> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do

> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of 
> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the 
> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the 
> small business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to 
> describe database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want

> as a client is welcome.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jennifer Gross
> (805) 480-1921
> databasics
> Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
>  
> 
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Wed Aug 26 18:45:03 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:45:03 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4A95ADDD.29853.451E352@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>,
	<7BF0F03EA71645C0AD95E4F861420CF4@HAL9005>
	<4A95ADDD.29853.451E352@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <1524EF5078CD454C9BF6841E40A66EB4@HAL9005>

Feel free - no attributions, please...

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:49 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

I think I might steal some of that for my site :-)

--
Stuart
 
On 26 Aug 2009 at 10:36, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> >From my web site:
> 
> Fast, Accurate, Professional Solutions in Microsoft Access
> 
> Database Business Solutions
> 
> To create a successful business application, two distinct skills are
> required:
> 
>     * 1. A depth and breadth of experience in programming and in 
> creating applications with intuitive, easy-to-use interfaces.
>     *
> 
>     * 2. An understanding of business practices, processes and systems.
> 
> Beach Access Software understands that business needs drive software 
> development, not the other way around. Our success is built on 
> standing between the client and the computer, translating the 
> customer's requirements for information into effective business
applications.
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
> Gross
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:39 AM
> To: AccessD List
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
> 
> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do 
> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of 
> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the 
> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the 
> small business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to 
> describe database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as
a client is welcome.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jennifer Gross
> (805) 480-1921
> databasics
> Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
>  
> 
> --
> AccessD mailing list
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> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Wed Aug 26 22:50:55 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:50:55 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <1524EF5078CD454C9BF6841E40A66EB4@HAL9005>
References: <001c01ca266b$a6bef8d0$a601a8c0@trudy>,
	<4A95ADDD.29853.451E352@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<1524EF5078CD454C9BF6841E40A66EB4@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4A96029F.2360.59CF90B@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I said "steal" - no attribution is a given :-)

-- 
Stuart

On 26 Aug 2009 at 16:45, Rocky Smolin wrote:

> Feel free - no attributions, please...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:49 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
> 
> I think I might steal some of that for my site :-)
> 
> --
> Stuart
>  
> On 26 Aug 2009 at 10:36, Rocky Smolin wrote:
> 
> > >From my web site:
> > 
> > Fast, Accurate, Professional Solutions in Microsoft Access
> > 
> > Database Business Solutions
> > 
> > To create a successful business application, two distinct skills are
> > required:
> > 
> >     * 1. A depth and breadth of experience in programming and in 
> > creating applications with intuitive, easy-to-use interfaces.
> >     *
> > 
> >     * 2. An understanding of business practices, processes and systems.
> > 
> > Beach Access Software understands that business needs drive software 
> > development, not the other way around. Our success is built on 
> > standing between the client and the computer, translating the 
> > customer's requirements for information into effective business
> applications.
> > 
> > Rocky
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer 
> > Gross
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:39 AM
> > To: AccessD List
> > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
> > 
> > For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do 
> > you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of 
> > mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the 
> > techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the 
> > small business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to 
> > describe database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as
> a client is welcome.
> > 
> > Thank you,
> > 
> > Jennifer Gross
> > (805) 480-1921
> > databasics
> > Helping businesses effectively manage and utilize their information.
> >  
> > 
> > --
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 05:56:58 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:56:58 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing Graphics in Forms and Reports
Message-ID: <cda8f54e0908270356v6e612ef6xfead295b6783524f@mail.gmail.com>

Function fReplaceGraphics()
' I needed to change the graphics which over time became disjointed
and as the FE's location changed the
' graphics became incorrect.
' This function runs through all the Forms/Reports using the
AllForms/AllReports collection
' but as this is read-only we still need
' to open the report in design mode to make the changes
' Flipping the commented lines you can switch between Forms and Reports
' No error handling
' max.wanadoo at gmail.com
' Aug 09

 Dim obj As Object, rpt As Report, frm As Form, prp As Property, ctl As Control
 Dim strObjName As String, strType As String
 strType = "AllForms"
 'For Each obj In CurrentProject.AllReports
 For Each obj In CurrentProject.AllForms
 strObjName = obj.Name

 ' We need to open it the object in Design view to make changes
 'DoCmd.OpenReport strObjName, acViewDesign
 DoCmd.OpenForm strObjName, acDesign

 ' We need to set the object type so that properties will point to the
right places.
 'Set rpt = Reports(strObjName)
 Set frm = Forms(strObjName)

 ' check the form/report properties for a picture
 'For Each prp In rpt.Properties
 For Each prp In frm.Properties
 If prp.Name = "Picture" Then
 If prp.Value <> "(none)" Then
 Debug.Print "FRM/RPT:"; strObjName, prp.Name, prp.Value
 ' put code in similar to below to make changes here.
 End If
 End If
 Next prp

 ' check the controls for a picture
 'For Each ctl In rpt.Controls
 For Each ctl In frm.Controls
 For Each prp In ctl.Properties
 If prp.Name = "Picture" Then
 If InStr(prp.Value, ".BMP") > 0 Then
 Select Case prp.Value
 Case "C:\My Documents\My Pictures\MGA\MGA.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\My Documents\My Pictures\MGA.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\Photos\Thumbnails\MGA.BMP"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\Graphics\MGA-25.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\My Documents\My Pictures\MGA\MGA.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\Documents and Settings\Max\My Documents\My Pictures\ANSig.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\Documents and Settings\Max\My Documents\My
Pictures\Signatures\9659Sig.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\Documents and Settings\Manager's PC\My
Documents\_Pictures\MGA\MGA-25-150pix.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "D:\Documents and Settings\Max Sherman\My Documents\My
Pictures\ansignature.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "\\Server\svr-c\_MCM\Photos\Thumbnails\mga.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\Graphics\MCM_Small.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\References.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\References.bmp"
 Case "C:\My Documents\Database Local\StopHand.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\StopHand.bmp"
 Case "C:\My Documents\stop.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\StopHand.bmp"
 Case "C:\EATBloat\EatBloatRefs.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\References.bmp"
 Case "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp", "Z:\References.bmp", "Z:\StopHand.bmp"
 ' no action - these are correct
 Case Else
 Debug.Print "CTL:", strObjName, ctl.Name, prp.Name, prp.Value
 End Select
 End If
 End If
 Next prp
 Next ctl
 'DoCmd.Close acReport, obj.Name, acSaveYes
 DoCmd.Close acForm, obj.Name, acSaveYes
 Next obj
End Function


From marksimms at verizon.net  Thu Aug 27 08:11:07 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:11:07 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] WGA... was OT: It may be time to stop hatingMicrosoft.
In-Reply-To: <4A95389E.4000307@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru>
	<4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS>
	<4A95389E.4000307@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <000101ca2717$d7a92cc0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

Wow, what a great idea John !

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to
> stop hatingMicrosoft.
>
> Yea!
>
> And for my money Microsoft should open up WGA to us
> developers so that we can inspect for pirated copies of our
> software.  Imagine writing applications where we sell
> licenses and WGA automatically checks for the validity of
> licenses for our software as well as licenses for Microsoft's
> software.
> That would be radical.





From JHewson at nciinc.com  Thu Aug 27 08:19:13 2009
From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim )
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:19:13 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing Graphics in Forms and Reports
In-Reply-To: <cda8f54e0908270356v6e612ef6xfead295b6783524f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cda8f54e0908270356v6e612ef6xfead295b6783524f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE5D7@sanex101.nciinc.com>

Max,
I'm a little confused as to why you would go to all this trouble?

What I do is design forms and reports with specific graphic dimensions. 
I store the images I need in an external path one level below the FE.
When the form/report is opened the code pulls in the image to display. I
can change the image at anytime... I just need to keep the name of the
image the same.  The graphic or picture does not have to be a specific
size either, the image object needs to be set to zoom and it will fit
within the confines object's dimensions.

I use a similar method to display pictures of personnel on forms and
reports.  On the form I have a text box that holds the name of the
picture (including the extension).  The picture is placed in the
directory and on after update the form refreshes and the picture
displays.  I have almost 500 personnel in the database and some have two
pictures.  I use a toggle button to display either picture. 

One line of code should suffice:

"\images\" is the subdirectory to the FE.
GraphicFile is the name with extension of the picture or graphic

ImageObjectName.Picture = Application.CurrentProject.Path &
"\images\GraphicFile.gif" 

This works in A2K, A2003 and A2007

HTH

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:57 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing Graphics in Forms and Reports

Function fReplaceGraphics()
' I needed to change the graphics which over time became disjointed
and as the FE's location changed the
' graphics became incorrect.
' This function runs through all the Forms/Reports using the
AllForms/AllReports collection
' but as this is read-only we still need
' to open the report in design mode to make the changes
' Flipping the commented lines you can switch between Forms and Reports
' No error handling
' max.wanadoo at gmail.com
' Aug 09

 Dim obj As Object, rpt As Report, frm As Form, prp As Property, ctl As
Control
 Dim strObjName As String, strType As String
 strType = "AllForms"
 'For Each obj In CurrentProject.AllReports
 For Each obj In CurrentProject.AllForms
 strObjName = obj.Name

 ' We need to open it the object in Design view to make changes
 'DoCmd.OpenReport strObjName, acViewDesign
 DoCmd.OpenForm strObjName, acDesign

 ' We need to set the object type so that properties will point to the
right places.
 'Set rpt = Reports(strObjName)
 Set frm = Forms(strObjName)

 ' check the form/report properties for a picture
 'For Each prp In rpt.Properties
 For Each prp In frm.Properties
 If prp.Name = "Picture" Then
 If prp.Value <> "(none)" Then
 Debug.Print "FRM/RPT:"; strObjName, prp.Name, prp.Value
 ' put code in similar to below to make changes here.
 End If
 End If
 Next prp

 ' check the controls for a picture
 'For Each ctl In rpt.Controls
 For Each ctl In frm.Controls
 For Each prp In ctl.Properties
 If prp.Name = "Picture" Then
 If InStr(prp.Value, ".BMP") > 0 Then
 Select Case prp.Value
 Case "C:\My Documents\My Pictures\MGA\MGA.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\My Documents\My Pictures\MGA.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\Photos\Thumbnails\MGA.BMP"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\Graphics\MGA-25.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\My Documents\My Pictures\MGA\MGA.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\Documents and Settings\Max\My Documents\My Pictures\ANSig.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\Documents and Settings\Max\My Documents\My
Pictures\Signatures\9659Sig.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\Documents and Settings\Manager's PC\My
Documents\_Pictures\MGA\MGA-25-150pix.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "D:\Documents and Settings\Max Sherman\My Documents\My
Pictures\ansignature.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "\\Server\svr-c\_MCM\Photos\Thumbnails\mga.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\Graphics\MCM_Small.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp"
 Case "C:\_MCM\References.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\References.bmp"
 Case "C:\My Documents\Database Local\StopHand.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\StopHand.bmp"
 Case "C:\My Documents\stop.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\StopHand.bmp"
 Case "C:\EATBloat\EatBloatRefs.bmp"
 prp = "Z:\References.bmp"
 Case "Z:\MCMFrontEnd.bmp", "Z:\References.bmp", "Z:\StopHand.bmp"
 ' no action - these are correct
 Case Else
 Debug.Print "CTL:", strObjName, ctl.Name, prp.Name, prp.Value
 End Select
 End If
 End If
 Next prp
 Next ctl
 'DoCmd.Close acReport, obj.Name, acSaveYes
 DoCmd.Close acForm, obj.Name, acSaveYes
 Next obj
End Function
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug 27 08:26:55 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:26:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WGA... was OT: It may be time to stop hatingMicrosoft.
In-Reply-To: <000101ca2717$d7a92cc0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com><C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS><4A95389E.4000307@colbyconsulting.com>
	<000101ca2717$d7a92cc0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
Message-ID: <B25EED9AA268400D9FD24C68AF7D47CE@HAL9005>

Only curious - is there any information on what kind of stuff is encoded in
the keys that we use when we install Office or Windows?  I use a similar
scheme to protect my product - there's an expiration date encoded in there
as well as a few other bits of information.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WGA... was OT: It may be time to stop
hatingMicrosoft.

Wow, what a great idea John !

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop 
> hatingMicrosoft.
>
> Yea!
>
> And for my money Microsoft should open up WGA to us developers so that 
> we can inspect for pirated copies of our software.  Imagine writing 
> applications where we sell licenses and WGA automatically checks for 
> the validity of licenses for our software as well as licenses for 
> Microsoft's software.
> That would be radical.



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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 09:08:38 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:08:38 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Replacing Graphics in Forms and Reports
In-Reply-To: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE5D7@sanex101.nciinc.com>
References: <cda8f54e0908270356v6e612ef6xfead295b6783524f@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE5D7@sanex101.nciinc.com>
Message-ID: <4a969385.0506d00a.5049.0c21@mx.google.com>

I do that too Jim - now.  But over the 11 years of developing this stuff it
has grown and grown. Tons of it is never used and it could really do with a
prune.  Also, the FE & BE have moved around.
I was just doing a rebuild and re-importing stuff when it started
complaining it could  not find this graphic and that graphic and with
hundreds of forms and report I though, well I am not going to wade through
that lot.
Hence the code.  First run it through all the exceptions.  I then placed
them into the code and rerun until they were all done.

Then I shared.

Max

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim 
Sent: 27 August 2009 14:19
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Replacing Graphics in Forms and Reports

Max,
I'm a little confused as to why you would go to all this trouble?

What I do is design forms and reports with specific graphic dimensions. 
I store the images I need in an external path one level below the FE.
When the form/report is opened the code pulls in the image to display. I
can change the image at anytime... I just need to keep the name of the
image the same.  The graphic or picture does not have to be a specific
size either, the image object needs to be set to zoom and it will fit
within the confines object's dimensions.

I use a similar method to display pictures of personnel on forms and
reports.  On the form I have a text box that holds the name of the
picture (including the extension).  The picture is placed in the
directory and on after update the form refreshes and the picture
displays.  I have almost 500 personnel in the database and some have two
pictures.  I use a toggle button to display either picture. 

One line of code should suffice:

"\images\" is the subdirectory to the FE.
GraphicFile is the name with extension of the picture or graphic

ImageObjectName.Picture = Application.CurrentProject.Path &
"\images\GraphicFile.gif" 

This works in A2K, A2003 and A2007

HTH

Jim




From jim at therareshop.com  Thu Aug 27 11:00:41 2009
From: jim at therareshop.com (James Hale)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:00:41 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908261021x77b3a065m891916ce6f95167a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FGEPLGFFMICKFAOAHDDGCEMBGJAA.jim@therareshop.com>

How about-
"what information buried in your machines do you wish you had available to
run you business? Well I'm an information gofer"
Jimn Hale

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:21 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech


My clients are often small businesses who are doing accounting, inventory
control, or other business tasks using Excel and who are finding that it's
getting really unwieldy.  So, the 'are you using Excel to run your business
and about to have a nervous breakdown?' approach might be one you could use.

Doug

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Gross <jengross at gte.net> wrote:

> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
> business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
> database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
> client is welcome.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jennifer Gross
>
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 27 11:05:49 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:05:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] WGA... was OT: It may be time to stop hatingMicrosoft.
In-Reply-To: <B25EED9AA268400D9FD24C68AF7D47CE@HAL9005>
References: <001d01ca2316$d807c140$881743c0$@spb.ru><4A8FF594.9060505@colbyconsulting.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADC4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908250806x59441a71y12fdaf14102785ab@mail.gmail.com><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFADF4@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><1ad7dee90908251308l6243f047w5fa2cf08e3109a4b@mail.gmail.com><C3C8CA05C7A740D8B6854137AC657DBD@XPS><4A95389E.4000307@colbyconsulting.com><000101ca2717$d7a92cc0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
	<B25EED9AA268400D9FD24C68AF7D47CE@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE4C@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

One part is probably a machine code, given that you have to activate it
by machine.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:27 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WGA... was OT: It may be time to stop
hatingMicrosoft.

Only curious - is there any information on what kind of stuff is encoded
in the keys that we use when we install Office or Windows?  I use a
similar scheme to protect my product - there's an expiration date
encoded in there as well as a few other bits of information.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:11 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] WGA... was OT: It may be time to stop
hatingMicrosoft.

Wow, what a great idea John !

> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:29 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] SPAM-LOW: Re: OT: It may be time to stop 
> hatingMicrosoft.
>
> Yea!
>
> And for my money Microsoft should open up WGA to us developers so that

> we can inspect for pirated copies of our software.  Imagine writing 
> applications where we sell licenses and WGA automatically checks for 
> the validity of licenses for our software as well as licenses for 
> Microsoft's software.
> That would be radical.



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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 27 11:14:26 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:14:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <FGEPLGFFMICKFAOAHDDGCEMBGJAA.jim@therareshop.com>
References: <FGEPLGFFMICKFAOAHDDGCEMBGJAA.jim@therareshop.com>
Message-ID: <4A96B0E2.9040509@colbyconsulting.com>

Great tag line - "The Information Gopher"

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


James Hale wrote:
> How about-
> "what information buried in your machines do you wish you had available to
> run you business? Well I'm an information gofer"
> Jimn Hale
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
> 
> 
> My clients are often small businesses who are doing accounting, inventory
> control, or other business tasks using Excel and who are finding that it's
> getting really unwieldy.  So, the 'are you using Excel to run your business
> and about to have a nervous breakdown?' approach might be one you could use.
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Gross <jengross at gte.net> wrote:
> 
>> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
>> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
>> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
>> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
>> business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
>> database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
>> client is welcome.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Jennifer Gross
>>
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> 


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Thu Aug 27 11:14:57 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:14:57 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <FGEPLGFFMICKFAOAHDDGCEMBGJAA.jim@therareshop.com>
References: <FGEPLGFFMICKFAOAHDDGCEMBGJAA.jim@therareshop.com>
Message-ID: <4A96B101.9000105@colbyconsulting.com>

Gofer means someone who goes to get something.

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


James Hale wrote:
> How about-
> "what information buried in your machines do you wish you had available to
> run you business? Well I'm an information gofer"
> Jimn Hale
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:21 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
> 
> 
> My clients are often small businesses who are doing accounting, inventory
> control, or other business tasks using Excel and who are finding that it's
> getting really unwieldy.  So, the 'are you using Excel to run your business
> and about to have a nervous breakdown?' approach might be one you could use.
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Gross <jengross at gte.net> wrote:
> 
>> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
>> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
>> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
>> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
>> business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
>> database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
>> client is welcome.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Jennifer Gross
>>
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> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> 


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 27 11:19:28 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:19:28 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4A96B0E2.9040509@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <FGEPLGFFMICKFAOAHDDGCEMBGJAA.jim@therareshop.com>
	<4A96B0E2.9040509@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

One of my coworkers suggested a bug tracking app that would work like
whack-a-mole!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

Great tag line - "The Information Gopher"

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com




From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Thu Aug 27 16:14:26 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:14:26 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4A96B0E2.9040509@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <FGEPLGFFMICKFAOAHDDGCEMBGJAA.jim@therareshop.com>,
	<4A96B0E2.9040509@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4A96F732.19407.958581E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I like "The Information Gofer" better,

 I don't  just dig through your buried nformation, I go and get it fer ya!

-- 
Stuart

On 27 Aug 2009 at 12:14, jwcolby wrote:

> Great tag line - "The Information Gopher"
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> James Hale wrote:
> > How about-
> > "what information buried in your machines do you wish you had available to
> > run you business? Well I'm an information gofer"
> > Jimn Hale
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
> > 
> > 
> > My clients are often small businesses who are doing accounting, inventory
> > control, or other business tasks using Excel and who are finding that it's
> > getting really unwieldy.  So, the 'are you using Excel to run your business
> > and about to have a nervous breakdown?' approach might be one you could use.
> > 
> > Doug
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Gross <jengross at gte.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
> >> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
> >> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
> >> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
> >> business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
> >> database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
> >> client is welcome.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Jennifer Gross
> >>
> > --
> > AccessD mailing list
> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
> > 
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Stuart McLachlan



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 16:34:33 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:34:33 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <4A96F732.19407.958581E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <FGEPLGFFMICKFAOAHDDGCEMBGJAA.jim@therareshop.com>,
	<4A96B0E2.9040509@colbyconsulting.com>
	<4A96F732.19407.958581E@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4a96fc00.0707d00a.203c.43d9@mx.google.com>

Thought they called you guys from Down Under, DIGGER

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan
Sent: 27 August 2009 22:14
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

I like "The Information Gofer" better,

 I don't  just dig through your buried nformation, I go and get it fer ya!

-- 
Stuart

On 27 Aug 2009 at 12:14, jwcolby wrote:

> Great tag line - "The Information Gopher"
> 
> John W. Colby
> www.ColbyConsulting.com
> 
> 
> James Hale wrote:
> > How about-
> > "what information buried in your machines do you wish you had available
to
> > run you business? Well I'm an information gofer"
> > Jimn Hale
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Doug Steele
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 12:21 PM
> > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
> > 
> > 
> > My clients are often small businesses who are doing accounting,
inventory
> > control, or other business tasks using Excel and who are finding that
it's
> > getting really unwieldy.  So, the 'are you using Excel to run your
business
> > and about to have a nervous breakdown?' approach might be one you could
use.
> > 
> > Doug
> > 
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Jennifer Gross <jengross at gte.net>
wrote:
> > 
> >> For everyone who is a self-employed developer - my question is, how do
> >> you describe what you do?  My business has traditionally been word of
> >> mouth, but recently I have found myself needing to market.  At the
> >> techie events they have no problem knowing what I do - but to the small
> >> business owner I've been struggling - any insights on how to describe
> >> database development in 30 seconds to the lay person you want as a
> >> client is welcome.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Jennifer Gross
> >>
> > --
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> > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com
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From kismert at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 18:15:38 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:15:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation Begin!
Message-ID: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>

I was looking at the Access 2010 Developer Kitchen event that Rocky
forwarded:
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/08/19/access-2010-developer-kitchen.aspx

In the comments, this exchange jumped out:
> SamC said:
> Can MS Access 2010 Developer Edition make full web databases that
> can be hosted from anywhere without sharepoint?

> Clint Covington said:
> Sam - we aren't disclosing more info about web databases until
> mid October. Let's continue the conversation at that point.

Sounds like they have something to disclose!

As you know, Microsoft is taking Office to the web with their Office Live
project:
http://www.officelive.com/en-us/

Right now, Word, Excel and PowerPoint are supported. The interfaces are in
Silverlight, I believe.

So, does anybody have any dirt to dish? Let's gossip!

-Ken

PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full Access
forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll kiss Ballmer's bare
butt! If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug 27 18:59:00 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:59:00 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
	Begin!
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B5670FB80FB453DA08B8D661281FB2A@HAL9005>

You mean us old dogs who have refused to learn new tricks may have
procrastinated long enough so that our Access apps can be web enabled
without having to learn .Net or any of that other stuff?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
Begin!

I was looking at the Access 2010 Developer Kitchen event that Rocky
forwarded:
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/08/19/access-2010-developer-kitche
n.aspx

In the comments, this exchange jumped out:
> SamC said:
> Can MS Access 2010 Developer Edition make full web databases that can 
> be hosted from anywhere without sharepoint?

> Clint Covington said:
> Sam - we aren't disclosing more info about web databases until mid 
> October. Let's continue the conversation at that point.

Sounds like they have something to disclose!

As you know, Microsoft is taking Office to the web with their Office Live
project:
http://www.officelive.com/en-us/

Right now, Word, Excel and PowerPoint are supported. The interfaces are in
Silverlight, I believe.

So, does anybody have any dirt to dish? Let's gossip!

-Ken

PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full Access
forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll kiss Ballmer's bare
butt! If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Thu Aug 27 19:23:36 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:23:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
	SpeculationBegin!
In-Reply-To: <2B5670FB80FB453DA08B8D661281FB2A@HAL9005>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
	<2B5670FB80FB453DA08B8D661281FB2A@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE86@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Sure, Rocky!  All you have to do is learn to love ribbons and learn a
whole new language and way of connecting to the data.  Oh, wait ...
Except for the ribbons, that's .Net too.  Hmmn ....

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
SpeculationBegin!

You mean us old dogs who have refused to learn new tricks may have
procrastinated long enough so that our Access apps can be web enabled
without having to learn .Net or any of that other stuff?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth
Ismert
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
Begin!

I was looking at the Access 2010 Developer Kitchen event that Rocky
forwarded:
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/08/19/access-2010-developer-ki
tche
n.aspx

In the comments, this exchange jumped out:
> SamC said:
> Can MS Access 2010 Developer Edition make full web databases that can 
> be hosted from anywhere without sharepoint?

> Clint Covington said:
> Sam - we aren't disclosing more info about web databases until mid 
> October. Let's continue the conversation at that point.

Sounds like they have something to disclose!

As you know, Microsoft is taking Office to the web with their Office
Live
project:
http://www.officelive.com/en-us/

Right now, Word, Excel and PowerPoint are supported. The interfaces are
in Silverlight, I believe.

So, does anybody have any dirt to dish? Let's gossip!

-Ken

PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full
Access forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll kiss
Ballmer's bare butt! If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both
cheeks!
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Thu Aug 27 19:39:58 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:39:58 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the
	Wild-EyedSpeculationBegin!
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE86@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com><2B5670FB80FB453DA08B8D661281FB2A@HAL9005>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE86@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <669AA310B00F4ACD977043BEF5EA4EB3@HAL9005>

Well,  I'm hoping that the front end will just connect to the back end over
the net - simple connection string.  Or that the FE AND the BE will run from
a server.  Or I could just retire...

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:24 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the
Wild-EyedSpeculationBegin!

Sure, Rocky!  All you have to do is learn to love ribbons and learn a whole
new language and way of connecting to the data.  Oh, wait ...
Except for the ribbons, that's .Net too.  Hmmn ....

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
SpeculationBegin!

You mean us old dogs who have refused to learn new tricks may have
procrastinated long enough so that our Access apps can be web enabled
without having to learn .Net or any of that other stuff?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
Begin!

I was looking at the Access 2010 Developer Kitchen event that Rocky
forwarded:
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/08/19/access-2010-developer-ki
tche
n.aspx

In the comments, this exchange jumped out:
> SamC said:
> Can MS Access 2010 Developer Edition make full web databases that can 
> be hosted from anywhere without sharepoint?

> Clint Covington said:
> Sam - we aren't disclosing more info about web databases until mid 
> October. Let's continue the conversation at that point.

Sounds like they have something to disclose!

As you know, Microsoft is taking Office to the web with their Office Live
project:
http://www.officelive.com/en-us/

Right now, Word, Excel and PowerPoint are supported. The interfaces are in
Silverlight, I believe.

So, does anybody have any dirt to dish? Let's gossip!

-Ken

PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full Access
forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll kiss Ballmer's bare
butt! If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!
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From ebarro at verizon.net  Fri Aug 28 01:26:21 2009
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:26:21 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
	SpeculationBegin!
In-Reply-To: <2B5670FB80FB453DA08B8D661281FB2A@HAL9005>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
	<2B5670FB80FB453DA08B8D661281FB2A@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <83AD4555557047CDA37176F3A4694788@advancedinput.com>

Rocky,

There is no escaping the .NET framework. Micro$oft has been moving all who
wish to develop for the Windows platform into the .NET framework.

Eric 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:59 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
SpeculationBegin!

You mean us old dogs who have refused to learn new tricks may have
procrastinated long enough so that our Access apps can be web enabled
without having to learn .Net or any of that other stuff?

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
Begin!

I was looking at the Access 2010 Developer Kitchen event that Rocky
forwarded:
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/08/19/access-2010-developer-kitche
n.aspx

In the comments, this exchange jumped out:
> SamC said:
> Can MS Access 2010 Developer Edition make full web databases that can 
> be hosted from anywhere without sharepoint?

> Clint Covington said:
> Sam - we aren't disclosing more info about web databases until mid 
> October. Let's continue the conversation at that point.

Sounds like they have something to disclose!

As you know, Microsoft is taking Office to the web with their Office Live
project:
http://www.officelive.com/en-us/

Right now, Word, Excel and PowerPoint are supported. The interfaces are in
Silverlight, I believe.

So, does anybody have any dirt to dish? Let's gossip!

-Ken

PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full Access
forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll kiss Ballmer's bare
butt! If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!
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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Fri Aug 28 02:20:13 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:20:13 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the
	Wild-Eyed	SpeculationBegin!
In-Reply-To: <83AD4555557047CDA37176F3A4694788@advancedinput.com>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
	<2B5670FB80FB453DA08B8D661281FB2A@HAL9005>,
	<83AD4555557047CDA37176F3A4694788@advancedinput.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C62@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

They are really cool but MS will kick me out if I say anything about them.

Martin

Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk


From stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz  Fri Aug 28 02:32:25 2009
From: stephen at bondsoftware.co.nz (Stephen Bond)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:32:25 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let
	the	Wild-Eyed	SpeculationBegin!
Message-ID: <569E08FC48047F4F848850B118195FBE03873B@server.BondSoftware.local>

You naughty tease, you !

Stephen 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
Martin Reid
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2009 7:30 p.m.
To: Stephen
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the
Wild-Eyed SpeculationBegin!

They are really cool but MS will kick me out if I say
anything about them.

Martin

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Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Fri Aug 28 04:30:51 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:30:51 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed	Speculation
	Begin!
Message-ID: <sa97bfff.096@cactus.dk>

Hi Ken 

Dream on.

/gustav

>>> kismert at gmail.com 28-08-2009 01:15 >>>

PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full Access
forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll kiss Ballmer's bare
butt! If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!





From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Fri Aug 28 05:41:36 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:41:36 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
	SpeculationBegin!
In-Reply-To: <83AD4555557047CDA37176F3A4694788@advancedinput.com>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>,
	<2B5670FB80FB453DA08B8D661281FB2A@HAL9005>,
	<83AD4555557047CDA37176F3A4694788@advancedinput.com>
Message-ID: <4A97B460.32503.C3B54A4@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

I'm finding using PB/Win and SQL Tools more and more rather than .Net.  "Smaller-Faster. 
Smaller-Faster. Smaller-Faster." 

http://www.powerbasic.com/aboutpb.asp

-- 
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 On 27 Aug 2009 at 23:26, Eric Barro wrote:

> Rocky,
> 
> There is no escaping the .NET framework. Micro$oft has been moving all who
> wish to develop for the Windows platform into the .NET framework.
> 
> Eric 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:59 PM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
> SpeculationBegin!
> 
> You mean us old dogs who have refused to learn new tricks may have
> procrastinated long enough so that our Access apps can be web enabled
> without having to learn .Net or any of that other stuff?
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:16 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
> Begin!
> 
> I was looking at the Access 2010 Developer Kitchen event that Rocky
> forwarded:
> http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/08/19/access-2010-developer-kitche
> n.aspx
> 
> In the comments, this exchange jumped out:
> > SamC said:
> > Can MS Access 2010 Developer Edition make full web databases that can 
> > be hosted from anywhere without sharepoint?
> 
> > Clint Covington said:
> > Sam - we aren't disclosing more info about web databases until mid 
> > October. Let's continue the conversation at that point.
> 
> Sounds like they have something to disclose!
> 
> As you know, Microsoft is taking Office to the web with their Office Live
> project:
> http://www.officelive.com/en-us/
> 
> Right now, Word, Excel and PowerPoint are supported. The interfaces are in
> Silverlight, I believe.
> 
> So, does anybody have any dirt to dish? Let's gossip!
> 
> -Ken
> 
> PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full Access
> forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll kiss Ballmer's bare
> butt! If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!
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From jengross at gte.net  Fri Aug 28 12:39:36 2009
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:39:36 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy>

Hm....How about an clients/users with the same old irritating questions
whack-a-mole game.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech


One of my coworkers suggested a bug tracking app that would work like
whack-a-mole!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:14 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

Great tag line - "The Information Gopher"

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


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From jengross at gte.net  Fri Aug 28 12:43:29 2009
From: jengross at gte.net (Jennifer Gross)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:43:29 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
 Begin!
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01ca2807$0e3e81a0$a601a8c0@trudy>

It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data Access
Pages right ;)

Jennifer

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth
Ismert
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:16 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
Begin!


I was looking at the Access 2010 Developer Kitchen event that Rocky
forwarded:
http://blogs.msdn.com/access/archive/2009/08/19/access-2010-developer-ki
tchen.aspx

In the comments, this exchange jumped out:
> SamC said:
> Can MS Access 2010 Developer Edition make full web databases that can 
> be hosted from anywhere without sharepoint?

> Clint Covington said:
> Sam - we aren't disclosing more info about web databases until mid 
> October. Let's continue the conversation at that point.

Sounds like they have something to disclose!

As you know, Microsoft is taking Office to the web with their Office
Live
project:
http://www.officelive.com/en-us/

Right now, Word, Excel and PowerPoint are supported. The interfaces are
in Silverlight, I believe.

So, does anybody have any dirt to dish? Let's gossip!

-Ken

PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full
Access forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll kiss
Ballmer's bare butt! If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both
cheeks!
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From kismert at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 13:13:48 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:13:48 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1251478801.3334.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.0.1251478801.3334.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841600908281113g101fb5e9rdc847fe4110f286a@mail.gmail.com>

> Martin Reid
> They are really cool but MS will kick me out if I say anything about them.

Say it in Pig Latin -- that will totally mystify them!

> Gustav Brock
> Dream on.
> ...
>> PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full
>> Access forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll
>> kiss Ballmer's bare butt! If it's standards-based
>> HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!

Oh, but I was so looking forward to smooching that ... thanks for knocking
down my sand castle  ;)

-Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 13:32:16 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:32:16 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908281113g101fb5e9rdc847fe4110f286a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.0.1251478801.3334.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<7c7841600908281113g101fb5e9rdc847fe4110f286a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a9822be.0506d00a.64d6.1e65@mx.google.com>

Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 28 August 2009 19:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52

> Martin Reid
> They are really cool but MS will kick me out if I say anything about them.

Say it in Pig Latin -- that will totally mystify them!

> Gustav Brock
> Dream on.
> ...
>> PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full
>> Access forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll
>> kiss Ballmer's bare butt! If it's standards-based
>> HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!

Oh, but I was so looking forward to smooching that ... thanks for knocking
down my sand castle  ;)

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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Aug 28 13:35:54 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:35:54 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52
In-Reply-To: <4a9822be.0506d00a.64d6.1e65@mx.google.com>
References: <mailman.0.1251478801.3334.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841600908281113g101fb5e9rdc847fe4110f286a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a9822be.0506d00a.64d6.1e65@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A98238A.4040500@colbyconsulting.com>

ROTFLMAO.

You are BAD!

You could also run it through the .Net obsfucator..

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 28 August 2009 19:14
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52
> 
>> Martin Reid
>> They are really cool but MS will kick me out if I say anything about them.
> 
> Say it in Pig Latin -- that will totally mystify them!
> 
>> Gustav Brock
>> Dream on.
>> ...
>>> PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full
>>> Access forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll
>>> kiss Ballmer's bare butt! If it's standards-based
>>> HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!
> 
> Oh, but I was so looking forward to smooching that ... thanks for knocking
> down my sand castle  ;)
> 
> -Ken


From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Fri Aug 28 13:40:01 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:40:01 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech
In-Reply-To: <001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

Too late, I already thought of that one!

Charlotte 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jennifer
Gross
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:40 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

Hm....How about an clients/users with the same old irritating questions
whack-a-mole game.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte
Foust
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:19 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech


One of my coworkers suggested a bug tracking app that would work like
whack-a-mole!  LOL

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:14 AM
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Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Elevator Speech

Great tag line - "The Information Gopher"

John W. Colby
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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 28 14:11:55 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:11:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
Message-ID: <693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years. 

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along. 

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim  



From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Fri Aug 28 14:23:50 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:23:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <DE0A5E75756C4C50AF982DFC5CA9FB33@HAL9005>

I always used the one in the ADH.  

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking

Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years. 

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along. 

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim  

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Fri Aug 28 14:30:11 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:30:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <D53409C9817145EE8A34183D6C350D44@danwaters>

Hi Jim,

This is the code that I wrote for my use.  The 'RelinkLibraryTables' and
'RelinkFrontEndTables' are called from a 'Startup' procedure in the
Library.mdb file, which is referenced by different customers' FE mdb files.
The library contains links to both mdb tables and to sql tables (same set of
tables), and the code will redefine the connect information for the correct
set of links, and will rename the links dynamically so the correct set of
links is used.

Good Luck!
Dan

--------------------------------------------------------------

Public Sub RelinkLibraryTables()
    
    Dim stgBEPath As String
    Dim stgTTPath As String
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfBE As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfTT As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As Database
    Dim stgMessage As String

    'MlngStart = GetTickCount
    
    '-- Get Actual TempTable paths
    stgTTPath = TempTablesPath

    '-- Get BE path
    stgBEPath = ReadPSIParameter("SystemBEName")
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") = 0 Then
        '-- Full Path to MDB BE
        stgBEPath = BEFullPath
    End If
    
    '-- Set tdf variables for LIB database
    Set dbs = CodeDb
    Set tdfBE = dbs.TableDefs("tblUserMessages")
    Set tdfTT = dbs.TableDefs("tblTTOpenItemsList")
    
    '-- Is relinking needed because paths are different?
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        '-- SQL Server BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect = ";DATABASE=" &
stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    Else
        '-- MDB BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect =
";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    End If
    dbs.Close
    
    '-- Attempt to relink
    If RelinkingTables(stgBEPath, stgTTPath, "Library") = False Then
        stgMessage = "Automatic Library Table Re-Linking was NOT
Successful." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Table Name = " & MstgTableName _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Contact your System Owner (" & PersonJobRolePrimary("System
Owner") & "." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "The system will now shut down.@ @"
        FormattedMsgBox GstgReminder, stgMessage, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Re-Linking Not Successful"
        Call QuitFromLibrary(False, True)
    End If
    
    'Call CollectStartupTimeInfo("RelinkLibraryTables")

    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Public Sub RelinkFrontEndTables()

    '-- This will verify that the table links to the BE are correct. Only
one table is checked.

    Dim tdfBE As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfTT As DAO.TableDef
    Dim stgMessage As String
    Dim stgBEPath As String
    Dim stgTTPath As String
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    
    'MlngStart = GetTickCount
    
    '-- Get BE path
    stgBEPath = ReadPSIParameter("SystemBEName")
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") = 0 Then
        '-- Full Path to MDB BE
        stgBEPath = BEFullPath
    End If
    
    '-- Get TT path
    stgTTPath = TempTablesPath
    
    '-- Set tdf variables for FE Database
    Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    Set tdfBE = dbs.TableDefs("ZZtblRefreshLinks")
    Set tdfTT = dbs.TableDefs("tblTTOpenItemsList")
    
    '-- Is relinking needed because paths are different?
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        '-- SQL Server BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect = ";DATABASE=" &
stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    Else
        '-- MDB BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect =
";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    End If
    dbs.Close
    
    '-- Attempt to relink
    If RelinkingTables(stgBEPath, stgTTPath, "Front End") = False Then
        stgMessage = "Automatic Front End Table Re-Linking was NOT
Successful." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Table Name = " & MstgTableName _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Contact your System Owner." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "The system will now shut down.@ @"
        FormattedMsgBox GstgReminder, stgMessage, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Re-Linking Not Successful"
        Call QuitFromLibrary(False, True)
    End If
    
    'Call CollectStartupTimeInfo("RelinkFrontEndTables")

    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Function RelinkingTables(stgBEPath As String, stgTTPath As String,
stgName As String) As Boolean

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    Dim intStatus As Integer
    Dim stgBEType As String

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If

    '-- Set up progress bar
    Call DisplayPB(0, dbs.TableDefs.Count, "Refreshing " & stgName & " Table
Links . . .")
    intStatus = 0
    
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        stgBEType = "SQL"
    Else
        stgBEType = "JET"
    End If

    '-- Relink the table if it is a link
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
    
        '-- Links to MDB
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedTable) Then
            If Left$(tdf.Name, 5) = "tblTT" Then
                '-- Temp Table Path
                If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
                    tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath
                    tdf.RefreshLink
                End If
            Else
                If Left$(tdf.Name, 4) = "VTG_" Then
                    '-- This will link to Harvey Vogel MRP tables
                    If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & Replace(stgBEPath,
"PSIHVMBE.mdb", "VantageData.mdb") Then
                        tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & Replace(stgBEPath,
"PSIHVMBE.mdb", "VantageData.mdb")
                        tdf.RefreshLink
                    End If
                Else
                    '-- BE Path
                    If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And stgBEType
= "JET" Then
                        tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath
                        tdf.RefreshLink
                    End If
                End If
            End If
        End If
        
        '-- Links to SQL Server
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedODBC) Then
            '-- BE Path
            If tdf.Connect <> stgBEPath And stgBEType = "SQL" Then
                tdf.Connect = stgBEPath
                tdf.RefreshLink
            End If
        End If
                
        intStatus = intStatus + 1
        Call DisplayPB(intStatus)
        DoEvents
    Next tdf
    
    Call RenameLinks(stgBEType, stgName)
        
    Call ClosePB
    
    DBEngine(0)(0).TableDefs.Refresh
    Application.RefreshDatabaseWindow
    
    RelinkingTables = True
    
    dbs.Close

    Exit Function
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Function

Private Sub RenameLinks(stgBEType As String, stgName As String)

    Dim blnRenamingIsNeeded As Boolean
    Dim stgActivityTable As String
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Name = "SS_tblActivity" And stgBEType = "SQL") Or (tdf.Name
= "AC_tblActivity" And stgBEType = "JET") Then
            blnRenamingIsNeeded = True
            Exit For
        End If
    Next tdf
    dbs.Close
    If blnRenamingIsNeeded = False Then
        Exit Sub
    End If
    
    If stgBEType = "SQL" Then
        Call RenameLinksJET(False, stgName)
        Call RenameLinksSQL(True, stgName)
    Else
        Call RenameLinksSQL(False, stgName)
        Call RenameLinksJET(True, stgName)
    End If
    
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Sub RenameLinksSQL(blnUseSQL As Boolean, stgName As String)

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedODBC) Then
            If blnUseSQL = True Then
                If InStr(tdf.Name, "SS_") > 0 Then
                    tdf.Name = Mid(tdf.Name, 4)
                End If
            Else
                If InStr(tdf.Name, "SS_") = 0 Then
                    tdf.Name = "SS_" & tdf.Name
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next tdf
    
    dbs.Close
      
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Sub RenameLinksJET(blnUseJET As Boolean, stgName As String)

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedTable) Then
            If Left(tdf.Name, 5) <> "tblTT" Then
                If blnUseJET = True Then
                    If InStr(tdf.Name, "AC_") > 0 Then
                        tdf.Name = Mid(tdf.Name, 4)
                    End If
                Else
                    If InStr(tdf.Name, "AC_") = 0 Then
                        tdf.Name = "AC_" & tdf.Name
                    End If
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next tdf
    
    dbs.Close
    
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking

Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years. 

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along. 

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim  

-- 
AccessD mailing list
AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From john at winhaven.net  Sat Aug 29 12:38:57 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:38:57 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52
In-Reply-To: <4a9822be.0506d00a.64d6.1e65@mx.google.com>
References: <mailman.0.1251478801.3334.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841600908281113g101fb5e9rdc847fe4110f286a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a9822be.0506d00a.64d6.1e65@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00c701ca28cf$964c3b00$c2e4b100$@net>

LOL!

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 1:32 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52

Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 28 August 2009 19:14
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52

> Martin Reid
> They are really cool but MS will kick me out if I say anything about them.

Say it in Pig Latin -- that will totally mystify them!



From john at winhaven.net  Sat Aug 29 12:32:59 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:32:59 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Test2
Message-ID: <00bf01ca28ce$c15779f0$44066dd0$@net>

Test2

No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced.




From john at winhaven.net  Sat Aug 29 12:24:20 2009
From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:24:20 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Test
Message-ID: <00b301ca28cd$8bf73080$a3e59180$@net>

test
 
No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of
electrons were terribly inconvenienced.
 



From marksimms at verizon.net  Sat Aug 29 09:49:58 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:49:58 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
 Begin!
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01da01ca28b7$faf69270$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

Re: "If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks! "

I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
continue into IE9.
Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.





From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Sat Aug 29 12:59:29 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:59:29 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
 Begin!
In-Reply-To: <01da01ca28b7$faf69270$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
	<01da01ca28b7$faf69270$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
Message-ID: <4A996C81.704@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.

ROTFL.  That's the only way they can force their user count up.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Mark Simms wrote:
> Re: "If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks! "
> 
> I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
> continue into IE9.
> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
> 
> 
> 


From Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com  Fri Aug 28 14:59:14 2009
From: Lambert.Heenan at chartisinsurance.com (Heenan, Lambert)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:59:14 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <B4F1446167F0BD4FAD640A79824EE0B00E1A2FE6AB@LIVP3MMBX11.mail.aig.net>

Jim,

FWIW here is the code I use.  Note that I have commented out the function fGetMDBName as it uses a class module to display a file selection dialog. Replace with your own favorite routine.

This routine makes use of a table, that is local to the front end, called "USYS_LinkedTables_tbl". It has the following structure...

ID: Autonumber
strTableName: Text (255) ' full name of each linked table
strBackEndPath: Text (255) ' full path to production version of the back end(s), including mdb file name
strBackEndPath: Text (255) ' full path to development versions of the back end(s), including mdb file name

So to re-link to the production data (which may include any number of different back-ends) call the function like this...

strResult = fRefreshLinks("Production")

HTH

Lambert

'Code Starts
'======================================

Option Compare Database
Option Explicit

Function fRefreshLinks(strLinkTarget As String) As String

      ' returns an empty string on success or a string with error messages

      Dim collTbls As Collection          ' a collection of table names and connection strings, some tagged as non-access
      Dim i As Integer                    ' loop counter
      Dim strDBPath As String       '
      Dim strTbl As String
      Dim dbCurr As DAO.Database
      Dim dbLink As DAO.Database
      Dim tdfLocal As TableDef
      Dim strTableAlias As String
      Dim varRet As Variant
      Dim strNewPath As String
      Dim strCriteria As String
      Dim rsLinks As DAO.Recordset
      Dim db As DAO.Database
      Dim bLiveData As Boolean
      Dim strReturnValue As String
      Const cERR_USERCANCEL = vbObjectError + 1
      Const cERR_NOREMOTETABLE = vbObjectError + 2
      Const cERR_TABLE_LINK_NOTFOUND = vbObjectError + 3

10        On Local Error GoTo fRefreshLinks_Err


          'First get all linked tables in a collection
20        Set collTbls = fGetLinkedTables
30        Set db = CurrentDb
40        Set rsLinks = db.OpenRecordset("USYS_LinkedTables_tbl")
          'now link all of them
50        Set dbCurr = CurrentDb
60        If strLinkTarget = "Production" Then
70            bLiveData = True
80        Else
90            bLiveData = False
100       End If

110       For i = collTbls.Count To 1 Step -1
120           strDBPath = fParsePath(collTbls(i))
130           strTbl = fParseTable(collTbls(i))
140           strTableAlias = Nz(Field(collTbls(i), "@", 3), "")

150           varRet = SysCmd(acSysCmdSetStatus, "Now linking '" & strTbl & "'....")
160           If strTableAlias > "" Then
170               strCriteria = "strTableName='" & strTableAlias & "'"
180           Else
190               strCriteria = "strTableName='" & strTbl & "'"
200           End If
210           With rsLinks
220               .FindFirst strCriteria
230               If Not .NoMatch Then
240                   strNewPath = IIf(bLiveData, !strBackEndPath, !strDevBackEndPath)    ' get our path, Live or Dev data
250               Else
260                   strNewPath = vbNullString
270                   Err.Raise cERR_TABLE_LINK_NOTFOUND
280               End If
290           End With
300           If Left$(strDBPath, 4) = "ODBC" Then
                  'ODBC Tables
                  'ODBC Tables not being handled by this code
310           Else
320               If strNewPath <> vbNullString Then
                      'Try this first
330                   strDBPath = strNewPath
340               Else
350                   If Len(Dir(strDBPath)) = 0 Then
                          'File Doesn't Exist, call GetOpenFileName
360                       strDBPath = fGetMDBName("'" & strDBPath & "' not found.")
370                       If strDBPath = vbNullString Then
                              'user pressed cancel
380                           Err.Raise cERR_USERCANCEL
390                       End If
400                   End If
410               End If

420               Set dbLink = DBEngine(0).OpenDatabase(strDBPath)

                  'check to see if the table is present in dbLink
430               strTbl = fParseTable(collTbls(i))
440               If fIsRemoteTable(dbLink, strTbl) Then

                      'everything's ok, reconnect
450                   If strTableAlias > "" Then
460                       Set tdfLocal = dbCurr.TableDefs(strTableAlias)
470                   Else
480                       Set tdfLocal = dbCurr.TableDefs(strTbl)
490                   End If
500                   With tdfLocal
510                       .Connect = ";Database=" & strDBPath
520                       .RefreshLink
530                       collTbls.Remove (.Name)
540                   End With
550               Else
560                   Err.Raise cERR_NOREMOTETABLE
570               End If
580           End If
590       Next
600       Set db = Nothing
610       Set rsLinks = Nothing

620       If Not strReturnValue > "" Then
630           strReturnValue = "All Access tables were successfully reconnected."
640       End If
fRefreshLinks_End:
650       varRet = SysCmd(acSysCmdClearStatus)
660       Set collTbls = Nothing
670       Set tdfLocal = Nothing
680       Set dbLink = Nothing
690       Set dbCurr = Nothing
700       fRefreshLinks = strReturnValue
710       Exit Function
fRefreshLinks_Err:
720       fRefreshLinks = False
730       Select Case Err
          Case 3059:

740       Case cERR_USERCANCEL:
750           strReturnValue = strReturnValue & "No Database was specified, couldn't link tables." & vbCrLf
760           Resume fRefreshLinks_End
770       Case cERR_NOREMOTETABLE:
780           strReturnValue = strReturnValue & "Table '" & strTbl & "' was not found in the Database " & dbLink.Name & vbCrLf
790           Resume Next
800       Case cERR_TABLE_LINK_NOTFOUND
810           strReturnValue = strReturnValue & "Link to " & strTbl & " not found in master table USYS_LinkedTables_tbl." & vbCrLf
820           Resume Next
830       Case Else:
840           strReturnValue = strReturnValue & "Error Information..." & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _
                               & "Function: fRefreshLinks" & vbCrLf _
                               & "Description: " & Err.Description & vbCrLf _
                               & "Error #: " & Format$(Err.Number) & vbCrLf & "ERL=" & Erl & vbCrLf
850           Resume Next
860       End Select
End Function

Function fIsRemoteTable(dbRemote As DAO.Database, strTbl As String) As Boolean
Dim tdf As TableDef
10  On Error Resume Next
20  Set tdf = dbRemote.TableDefs(strTbl)
30  fIsRemoteTable = (Err = 0)
40  Set tdf = Nothing
End Function

Function fGetMDBName(strIn As String) As String
'Calls GetOpenFileName dialog
'Dim fDlg As New clsCommonDialogs
'10  With fDlg
'20      .AddFilterItem "Access Database(*.mdb;*.mda;*.mde;*.mdw) ", "*.mdb; *.mda; *.mde; *.mdw"
'30      .AddFilterItem "All Files (*.*)", "*.*"
'40      fGetMDBName = Nz(.GetOpenFile(, strIn), "")
'50  End With

End Function

Function fGetLinkedTables() As Collection
'Returns all linked tables
Dim collTables As New Collection
Dim tdf As TableDef, db As DAO.Database
10  Set db = CurrentDb
20  db.TableDefs.Refresh
30  For Each tdf In db.TableDefs
40      With tdf
50          If Len(.Connect) > 0 Then
60              If Left$(.Connect, 4) = "ODBC" Then
                    '    collTables.Add Item:=.Name & ";" & .Connect, KEY:=.Name
                    'ODBC Reconnect handled separately
70              Else
80                  If .Name <> .SourceTableName Then
90                      collTables.Add Item:=.SourceTableName & .Connect & "@ALIAS@" & .Name, Key:=.Name
100                 Else
110                     collTables.Add Item:=.Name & .Connect, Key:=.Name
120                 End If
130             End If
140         End If
150     End With
160 Next
170 Set fGetLinkedTables = collTables
180 Set collTables = Nothing
190 Set tdf = Nothing
200 Set db = Nothing
End Function

Function fParsePath(strIn As String) As String
Dim strTmp As String
10  If Left$(strIn, 4) <> "ODBC" Then
20      strTmp = Right(strIn, Len(strIn) _
                              - (InStr(1, strIn, "Database=") + 8))
30      If InStr(strTmp, "@") > 0 Then
40          strTmp = Field(strTmp, "@", 1)
50      End If
60      fParsePath = strTmp
70  Else
80      fParsePath = strIn
90  End If
End Function

Function fParseTable(strIn As String) As String
10  fParseTable = Left$(strIn, InStr(1, strIn, ";") - 1)
End Function
'***************** Code End ***************



Function Field(ByVal strSource As String, strSep As String, intN As Integer) As Variant
'Purpose:
'   Returns the Nth element in a delimited list.
'   Input: strSource - the list to search
'             strSep - the delimiter of the list - can be more than one character
'             intN - the ordinal value of the element to be returned
'
' Null is returned if either string parameter is null, or intN <=0 or
' If the separator string is not found
'
'Str = Field("Chuck*Roberts","*",1) would return "Chuck".
Dim strResult As String
Dim strSearch As String
Dim i As Long
Dim lSep As Long

    lSep = 0: i = 0
    If IsNull(strSource) Or strSource = "" Or IsNull(strSep) Or strSep = "" Or intN <= 0 Then
        strResult = ""
    Else
        strSearch = strSource
        While i < intN
            lSep = InStr(strSearch, strSep)
            If lSep > 0 Then    ' we found the delimiter string
                i = i + 1    ' count occurance
                If i = intN Then    ' this is the one we want
                    strResult = Left$(strSearch, lSep - 1)
                End If
                ' strip off i'th field
                strSearch = Right(strSearch, Len(strSearch) - (lSep + Len(strSep) - 1))
            Else    ' did not find our separator string, so return the remainer of the string if the count is ok
                If i = intN - 1 Then    '  we have seen N-1 separator strings, so this is the field we want
                    ' at the end of the search string
                    i = i + 1    ' to terminate the While loop
                    strResult = strSearch
                Else    ' there were less than N-1 fields in the input to return Null
                    strResult = ""
                    i = intN
                End If
            End If
        Wend
    End If
    If strResult = "" Then
        Field = Null
    Else
        Field = strResult
    End If
End Function

' Code ends
'================================================



From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 28 15:20:45 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:20:45 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <D53409C9817145EE8A34183D6C350D44@danwaters>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
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	<D53409C9817145EE8A34183D6C350D44@danwaters>
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Hi Dans:

Looks like a great chunk of code and should do everything I need. There are
a couple of things that I have questions about... it may be nothing but as a
key reference or numerious calls to these items have be made I am curious as
to whether there is any related/data structures code that may be required?

Functions missing:
readpsiparameter(), QuitFromLibrary() and DisplayPB()

Variables missing:
TempTablesPath

Tables missing:
ZZtblRefreshLinks, tblTTOpenItemsList, tblTT 

Thanks gain.
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

Hi Jim,

This is the code that I wrote for my use.  The 'RelinkLibraryTables' and
'RelinkFrontEndTables' are called from a 'Startup' procedure in the
Library.mdb file, which is referenced by different customers' FE mdb files.
The library contains links to both mdb tables and to sql tables (same set of
tables), and the code will redefine the connect information for the correct
set of links, and will rename the links dynamically so the correct set of
links is used.

Good Luck!
Dan

--------------------------------------------------------------

Public Sub RelinkLibraryTables()
    
    Dim stgBEPath As String
    Dim stgTTPath As String
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfBE As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfTT As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As Database
    Dim stgMessage As String

    'MlngStart = GetTickCount
    
    '-- Get Actual TempTable paths
    stgTTPath = TempTablesPath

    '-- Get BE path
    stgBEPath = ReadPSIParameter("SystemBEName")
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") = 0 Then
        '-- Full Path to MDB BE
        stgBEPath = BEFullPath
    End If
    
    '-- Set tdf variables for LIB database
    Set dbs = CodeDb
    Set tdfBE = dbs.TableDefs("tblUserMessages")
    Set tdfTT = dbs.TableDefs("tblTTOpenItemsList")
    
    '-- Is relinking needed because paths are different?
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        '-- SQL Server BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect = ";DATABASE=" &
stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    Else
        '-- MDB BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect =
";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    End If
    dbs.Close
    
    '-- Attempt to relink
    If RelinkingTables(stgBEPath, stgTTPath, "Library") = False Then
        stgMessage = "Automatic Library Table Re-Linking was NOT
Successful." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Table Name = " & MstgTableName _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Contact your System Owner (" & PersonJobRolePrimary("System
Owner") & "." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "The system will now shut down.@ @"
        FormattedMsgBox GstgReminder, stgMessage, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Re-Linking Not Successful"
        Call QuitFromLibrary(False, True)
    End If
    
    'Call CollectStartupTimeInfo("RelinkLibraryTables")

    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Public Sub RelinkFrontEndTables()

    '-- This will verify that the table links to the BE are correct. Only
one table is checked.

    Dim tdfBE As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfTT As DAO.TableDef
    Dim stgMessage As String
    Dim stgBEPath As String
    Dim stgTTPath As String
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    
    'MlngStart = GetTickCount
    
    '-- Get BE path
    stgBEPath = ReadPSIParameter("SystemBEName")
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") = 0 Then
        '-- Full Path to MDB BE
        stgBEPath = BEFullPath
    End If
    
    '-- Get TT path
    stgTTPath = TempTablesPath
    
    '-- Set tdf variables for FE Database
    Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    Set tdfBE = dbs.TableDefs("ZZtblRefreshLinks")
    Set tdfTT = dbs.TableDefs("tblTTOpenItemsList")
    
    '-- Is relinking needed because paths are different?
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        '-- SQL Server BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect = ";DATABASE=" &
stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    Else
        '-- MDB BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect =
";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    End If
    dbs.Close
    
    '-- Attempt to relink
    If RelinkingTables(stgBEPath, stgTTPath, "Front End") = False Then
        stgMessage = "Automatic Front End Table Re-Linking was NOT
Successful." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Table Name = " & MstgTableName _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Contact your System Owner." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "The system will now shut down.@ @"
        FormattedMsgBox GstgReminder, stgMessage, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Re-Linking Not Successful"
        Call QuitFromLibrary(False, True)
    End If
    
    'Call CollectStartupTimeInfo("RelinkFrontEndTables")

    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Function RelinkingTables(stgBEPath As String, stgTTPath As String,
stgName As String) As Boolean

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    Dim intStatus As Integer
    Dim stgBEType As String

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If

    '-- Set up progress bar
    Call DisplayPB(0, dbs.TableDefs.Count, "Refreshing " & stgName & " Table
Links . . .")
    intStatus = 0
    
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        stgBEType = "SQL"
    Else
        stgBEType = "JET"
    End If

    '-- Relink the table if it is a link
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
    
        '-- Links to MDB
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedTable) Then
            If Left$(tdf.Name, 5) = "tblTT" Then
                '-- Temp Table Path
                If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
                    tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath
                    tdf.RefreshLink
                End If
            Else
                If Left$(tdf.Name, 4) = "VTG_" Then
                    '-- This will link to Harvey Vogel MRP tables
                    If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & Replace(stgBEPath,
"PSIHVMBE.mdb", "VantageData.mdb") Then
                        tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & Replace(stgBEPath,
"PSIHVMBE.mdb", "VantageData.mdb")
                        tdf.RefreshLink
                    End If
                Else
                    '-- BE Path
                    If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And stgBEType
= "JET" Then
                        tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath
                        tdf.RefreshLink
                    End If
                End If
            End If
        End If
        
        '-- Links to SQL Server
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedODBC) Then
            '-- BE Path
            If tdf.Connect <> stgBEPath And stgBEType = "SQL" Then
                tdf.Connect = stgBEPath
                tdf.RefreshLink
            End If
        End If
                
        intStatus = intStatus + 1
        Call DisplayPB(intStatus)
        DoEvents
    Next tdf
    
    Call RenameLinks(stgBEType, stgName)
        
    Call ClosePB
    
    DBEngine(0)(0).TableDefs.Refresh
    Application.RefreshDatabaseWindow
    
    RelinkingTables = True
    
    dbs.Close

    Exit Function
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Function

Private Sub RenameLinks(stgBEType As String, stgName As String)

    Dim blnRenamingIsNeeded As Boolean
    Dim stgActivityTable As String
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Name = "SS_tblActivity" And stgBEType = "SQL") Or (tdf.Name
= "AC_tblActivity" And stgBEType = "JET") Then
            blnRenamingIsNeeded = True
            Exit For
        End If
    Next tdf
    dbs.Close
    If blnRenamingIsNeeded = False Then
        Exit Sub
    End If
    
    If stgBEType = "SQL" Then
        Call RenameLinksJET(False, stgName)
        Call RenameLinksSQL(True, stgName)
    Else
        Call RenameLinksSQL(False, stgName)
        Call RenameLinksJET(True, stgName)
    End If
    
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Sub RenameLinksSQL(blnUseSQL As Boolean, stgName As String)

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedODBC) Then
            If blnUseSQL = True Then
                If InStr(tdf.Name, "SS_") > 0 Then
                    tdf.Name = Mid(tdf.Name, 4)
                End If
            Else
                If InStr(tdf.Name, "SS_") = 0 Then
                    tdf.Name = "SS_" & tdf.Name
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next tdf
    
    dbs.Close
      
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Sub RenameLinksJET(blnUseJET As Boolean, stgName As String)

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedTable) Then
            If Left(tdf.Name, 5) <> "tblTT" Then
                If blnUseJET = True Then
                    If InStr(tdf.Name, "AC_") > 0 Then
                        tdf.Name = Mid(tdf.Name, 4)
                    End If
                Else
                    If InStr(tdf.Name, "AC_") = 0 Then
                        tdf.Name = "AC_" & tdf.Name
                    End If
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next tdf
    
    dbs.Close
    
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking

Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years. 

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along. 

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim  

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Fri Aug 28 14:54:49 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:54:49 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <DE0A5E75756C4C50AF982DFC5CA9FB33@HAL9005>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<DE0A5E75756C4C50AF982DFC5CA9FB33@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <2044D65EF35144BBA2A9029661DA79B6@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Hi Rocky:

ADH? 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

I always used the one in the ADH.  

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking

Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years. 

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along. 

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim  

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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sat Aug 29 13:30:22 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:30:22 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <2044D65EF35144BBA2A9029661DA79B6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy><F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local><693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com><DE0A5E75756C4C50AF982DFC5CA9FB33@HAL9005>
	<2044D65EF35144BBA2A9029661DA79B6@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <45E328377A6E4210A0F74E5C502938D2@HAL9005>

Access Developer's Handbook - Getz, Littwin, Gilbert - Sybex publication.
Mine's falling apart from use.  Couldn't live without it.  I have the 2000
edition and still haul it out from time to time.

Comes with a CD with all sorts of great code.

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:55 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

Hi Rocky:

ADH? 

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:24 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

I always used the one in the ADH.  

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking

Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years. 

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along. 

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim  

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 09:55:49 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:55:49 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52
In-Reply-To: <4A98238A.4040500@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <mailman.0.1251478801.3334.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841600908281113g101fb5e9rdc847fe4110f286a@mail.gmail.com>	<4a9822be.0506d00a.64d6.1e65@mx.google.com>
	<4A98238A.4040500@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a994188.0707d00a.4954.1de9@mx.google.com>

I know, I know, I can't help it - these things just pop into my
mind...hehehe.

I feel bad today - I think I destroyed too many brain cells last night.
Can't event remember how I got home, let alone coming home.  I can remember
drinking and dancing in the pub and then I woke up in bed.  The bit in
between is missing...
I popped around the pub again at lunch time to see if anybody had handed any
brain cells in, but nothing doing.  Had a couple of pints to see if that
would help - yep, it sure did.

Now, to do something to eat - a nice salad perhaps.

With a bottle of wine, of course.  A nice German Hock is my favourite.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 28 August 2009 19:36
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52

ROTFLMAO.

You are BAD!

You could also run it through the .Net obsfucator..

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 28 August 2009 19:14
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 52
> 
>> Martin Reid
>> They are really cool but MS will kick me out if I say anything about
them.
> 
> Say it in Pig Latin -- that will totally mystify them!
> 
>> Gustav Brock
>> Dream on.
>> ...
>>> PS - If they really deliver a true client-server web app running full
>>> Access forms and reports with events and VBA underneath, I'll
>>> kiss Ballmer's bare butt! If it's standards-based
>>> HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks!
> 
> Oh, but I was so looking forward to smooching that ... thanks for knocking
> down my sand castle  ;)
> 
> -Ken
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From jimdettman at verizon.net  Fri Aug 28 14:35:48 2009
From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:35:48 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <ED690B6AE3F344D0871FA7ADDEB4A7C2@XPS>

Jim,

 Here's a link to Tony's blog with a couple of links to various re-linking
code.

http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/archive/2008/10/02/j-street-s-access-relinker
-available-for-download.aspx

 I have my own code here which I'll send off-line in a minute. 

  There's a lot of code out there, but many variations (do you want to
prompt the user for the location, don't you etc).

Jim.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking

Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years. 

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along. 

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim  

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Sat Aug 29 16:42:22 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:42:22 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
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	<80B0827E85EB4C368832FDF1797E090D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <8D44DED682E64C56B5DFBE3A52F04401@danwaters>

Hi Jim,

ReadPSIParameter is a function that gets the SystemBEName.  If the BE is an
mdb, then no '=' character exists, but if this system is using a SQL Server
BE, then the SystemBEName is actually every table's connect string to the
SQL Server database - and it will always contain a '=' character.  It's just
a way of knowing if the BE is SQL Server or mdb.

DisplayPB will display a progress bar.  QuitFromLibrary is a function that
will shut down the database.  You can remove code lines to these.

TempTablesPath is a function which retrieves the path to the TempTables.mdb
file.  It happens to be in the same folder as the FE.mdb file.  Unless you
use a TempTable.mdb file you can remove these also.

The two tables ZZtblRefreshLinks and tblTTOpenItemsList are the last tables
in the system's FE and the TempTables.mdb file.  If the connection string
for either one is incorrect, then the refreshing the links will be
necessary.  Here, just use the last table link in your database - or add one
in that will always be last starting with 'Z'.

HTH!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

Hi Dans:

Looks like a great chunk of code and should do everything I need. There are
a couple of things that I have questions about... it may be nothing but as a
key reference or numerious calls to these items have be made I am curious as
to whether there is any related/data structures code that may be required?

Functions missing:
readpsiparameter(), QuitFromLibrary() and DisplayPB()

Variables missing:
TempTablesPath

Tables missing:
ZZtblRefreshLinks, tblTTOpenItemsList, tblTT 

Thanks gain.
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

Hi Jim,

This is the code that I wrote for my use.  The 'RelinkLibraryTables' and
'RelinkFrontEndTables' are called from a 'Startup' procedure in the
Library.mdb file, which is referenced by different customers' FE mdb files.
The library contains links to both mdb tables and to sql tables (same set of
tables), and the code will redefine the connect information for the correct
set of links, and will rename the links dynamically so the correct set of
links is used.

Good Luck!
Dan

--------------------------------------------------------------

Public Sub RelinkLibraryTables()
    
    Dim stgBEPath As String
    Dim stgTTPath As String
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfBE As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfTT As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As Database
    Dim stgMessage As String

    'MlngStart = GetTickCount
    
    '-- Get Actual TempTable paths
    stgTTPath = TempTablesPath

    '-- Get BE path
    stgBEPath = ReadPSIParameter("SystemBEName")
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") = 0 Then
        '-- Full Path to MDB BE
        stgBEPath = BEFullPath
    End If
    
    '-- Set tdf variables for LIB database
    Set dbs = CodeDb
    Set tdfBE = dbs.TableDefs("tblUserMessages")
    Set tdfTT = dbs.TableDefs("tblTTOpenItemsList")
    
    '-- Is relinking needed because paths are different?
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        '-- SQL Server BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect = ";DATABASE=" &
stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    Else
        '-- MDB BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect =
";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    End If
    dbs.Close
    
    '-- Attempt to relink
    If RelinkingTables(stgBEPath, stgTTPath, "Library") = False Then
        stgMessage = "Automatic Library Table Re-Linking was NOT
Successful." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Table Name = " & MstgTableName _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Contact your System Owner (" & PersonJobRolePrimary("System
Owner") & "." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "The system will now shut down.@ @"
        FormattedMsgBox GstgReminder, stgMessage, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Re-Linking Not Successful"
        Call QuitFromLibrary(False, True)
    End If
    
    'Call CollectStartupTimeInfo("RelinkLibraryTables")

    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Public Sub RelinkFrontEndTables()

    '-- This will verify that the table links to the BE are correct. Only
one table is checked.

    Dim tdfBE As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfTT As DAO.TableDef
    Dim stgMessage As String
    Dim stgBEPath As String
    Dim stgTTPath As String
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    
    'MlngStart = GetTickCount
    
    '-- Get BE path
    stgBEPath = ReadPSIParameter("SystemBEName")
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") = 0 Then
        '-- Full Path to MDB BE
        stgBEPath = BEFullPath
    End If
    
    '-- Get TT path
    stgTTPath = TempTablesPath
    
    '-- Set tdf variables for FE Database
    Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    Set tdfBE = dbs.TableDefs("ZZtblRefreshLinks")
    Set tdfTT = dbs.TableDefs("tblTTOpenItemsList")
    
    '-- Is relinking needed because paths are different?
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        '-- SQL Server BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect = ";DATABASE=" &
stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    Else
        '-- MDB BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect =
";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    End If
    dbs.Close
    
    '-- Attempt to relink
    If RelinkingTables(stgBEPath, stgTTPath, "Front End") = False Then
        stgMessage = "Automatic Front End Table Re-Linking was NOT
Successful." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Table Name = " & MstgTableName _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Contact your System Owner." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "The system will now shut down.@ @"
        FormattedMsgBox GstgReminder, stgMessage, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Re-Linking Not Successful"
        Call QuitFromLibrary(False, True)
    End If
    
    'Call CollectStartupTimeInfo("RelinkFrontEndTables")

    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Function RelinkingTables(stgBEPath As String, stgTTPath As String,
stgName As String) As Boolean

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    Dim intStatus As Integer
    Dim stgBEType As String

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If

    '-- Set up progress bar
    Call DisplayPB(0, dbs.TableDefs.Count, "Refreshing " & stgName & " Table
Links . . .")
    intStatus = 0
    
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        stgBEType = "SQL"
    Else
        stgBEType = "JET"
    End If

    '-- Relink the table if it is a link
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
    
        '-- Links to MDB
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedTable) Then
            If Left$(tdf.Name, 5) = "tblTT" Then
                '-- Temp Table Path
                If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
                    tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath
                    tdf.RefreshLink
                End If
            Else
                If Left$(tdf.Name, 4) = "VTG_" Then
                    '-- This will link to Harvey Vogel MRP tables
                    If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & Replace(stgBEPath,
"PSIHVMBE.mdb", "VantageData.mdb") Then
                        tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & Replace(stgBEPath,
"PSIHVMBE.mdb", "VantageData.mdb")
                        tdf.RefreshLink
                    End If
                Else
                    '-- BE Path
                    If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And stgBEType
= "JET" Then
                        tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath
                        tdf.RefreshLink
                    End If
                End If
            End If
        End If
        
        '-- Links to SQL Server
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedODBC) Then
            '-- BE Path
            If tdf.Connect <> stgBEPath And stgBEType = "SQL" Then
                tdf.Connect = stgBEPath
                tdf.RefreshLink
            End If
        End If
                
        intStatus = intStatus + 1
        Call DisplayPB(intStatus)
        DoEvents
    Next tdf
    
    Call RenameLinks(stgBEType, stgName)
        
    Call ClosePB
    
    DBEngine(0)(0).TableDefs.Refresh
    Application.RefreshDatabaseWindow
    
    RelinkingTables = True
    
    dbs.Close

    Exit Function
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Function

Private Sub RenameLinks(stgBEType As String, stgName As String)

    Dim blnRenamingIsNeeded As Boolean
    Dim stgActivityTable As String
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Name = "SS_tblActivity" And stgBEType = "SQL") Or (tdf.Name
= "AC_tblActivity" And stgBEType = "JET") Then
            blnRenamingIsNeeded = True
            Exit For
        End If
    Next tdf
    dbs.Close
    If blnRenamingIsNeeded = False Then
        Exit Sub
    End If
    
    If stgBEType = "SQL" Then
        Call RenameLinksJET(False, stgName)
        Call RenameLinksSQL(True, stgName)
    Else
        Call RenameLinksSQL(False, stgName)
        Call RenameLinksJET(True, stgName)
    End If
    
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Sub RenameLinksSQL(blnUseSQL As Boolean, stgName As String)

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedODBC) Then
            If blnUseSQL = True Then
                If InStr(tdf.Name, "SS_") > 0 Then
                    tdf.Name = Mid(tdf.Name, 4)
                End If
            Else
                If InStr(tdf.Name, "SS_") = 0 Then
                    tdf.Name = "SS_" & tdf.Name
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next tdf
    
    dbs.Close
      
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Sub RenameLinksJET(blnUseJET As Boolean, stgName As String)

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedTable) Then
            If Left(tdf.Name, 5) <> "tblTT" Then
                If blnUseJET = True Then
                    If InStr(tdf.Name, "AC_") > 0 Then
                        tdf.Name = Mid(tdf.Name, 4)
                    End If
                Else
                    If InStr(tdf.Name, "AC_") = 0 Then
                        tdf.Name = "AC_" & tdf.Name
                    End If
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next tdf
    
    dbs.Close
    
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking

Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years. 

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along. 

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim  

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From ebarro at verizon.net  Sat Aug 29 22:18:52 2009
From: ebarro at verizon.net (Eric Barro)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:18:52 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
 Begin!
In-Reply-To: <01da01ca28b7$faf69270$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
	<01da01ca28b7$faf69270$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
Message-ID: <2D60F7BC145541469C626A433EB6D507@advancedinput.com>

IE8 breaks stuff that was working fine in IE6 and IE7.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
Begin!

Re: "If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks! "

I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
continue into IE9.
Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.



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From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au  Sun Aug 30 00:42:59 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:42:59 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200AC9A5FC78@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>

Jim,

I just did this last week. If you don't find the code you want, I can help you out with both AccessFE to AccessBE relink and AccessFE to SQL ServerBE relink.

regards
Darry

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, 29 August 2009 5:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking


Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years.

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along.

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim

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From accessd at shaw.ca  Sun Aug 30 00:47:57 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:47:57 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <8D44DED682E64C56B5DFBE3A52F04401@danwaters>
References: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE51@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<001a01ca2806$83a51770$a601a8c0@trudy>
	<F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAE9F@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>
	<693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<D53409C9817145EE8A34183D6C350D44@danwaters>
	<80B0827E85EB4C368832FDF1797E090D@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<8D44DED682E64C56B5DFBE3A52F04401@danwaters>
Message-ID: <C78A9D9571EE4EA78D056657182D911B@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Thank all for your help, Jim, Dan Rock and Lambert.

I think I have finally assembled a relinker module that will do just what I
want. Each of your relinker modules would do the trick but by using the best
of each demo was the best way to go. 8-)

Again... much appreciated
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 2:42 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

Hi Jim,

ReadPSIParameter is a function that gets the SystemBEName.  If the BE is an
mdb, then no '=' character exists, but if this system is using a SQL Server
BE, then the SystemBEName is actually every table's connect string to the
SQL Server database - and it will always contain a '=' character.  It's just
a way of knowing if the BE is SQL Server or mdb.

DisplayPB will display a progress bar.  QuitFromLibrary is a function that
will shut down the database.  You can remove code lines to these.

TempTablesPath is a function which retrieves the path to the TempTables.mdb
file.  It happens to be in the same folder as the FE.mdb file.  Unless you
use a TempTable.mdb file you can remove these also.

The two tables ZZtblRefreshLinks and tblTTOpenItemsList are the last tables
in the system's FE and the TempTables.mdb file.  If the connection string
for either one is incorrect, then the refreshing the links will be
necessary.  Here, just use the last table link in your database - or add one
in that will always be last starting with 'Z'.

HTH!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:21 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

Hi Dans:

Looks like a great chunk of code and should do everything I need. There are
a couple of things that I have questions about... it may be nothing but as a
key reference or numerious calls to these items have be made I am curious as
to whether there is any related/data structures code that may be required?

Functions missing:
readpsiparameter(), QuitFromLibrary() and DisplayPB()

Variables missing:
TempTablesPath

Tables missing:
ZZtblRefreshLinks, tblTTOpenItemsList, tblTT 

Thanks gain.
Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 12:30 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

Hi Jim,

This is the code that I wrote for my use.  The 'RelinkLibraryTables' and
'RelinkFrontEndTables' are called from a 'Startup' procedure in the
Library.mdb file, which is referenced by different customers' FE mdb files.
The library contains links to both mdb tables and to sql tables (same set of
tables), and the code will redefine the connect information for the correct
set of links, and will rename the links dynamically so the correct set of
links is used.

Good Luck!
Dan

--------------------------------------------------------------

Public Sub RelinkLibraryTables()
    
    Dim stgBEPath As String
    Dim stgTTPath As String
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfBE As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfTT As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As Database
    Dim stgMessage As String

    'MlngStart = GetTickCount
    
    '-- Get Actual TempTable paths
    stgTTPath = TempTablesPath

    '-- Get BE path
    stgBEPath = ReadPSIParameter("SystemBEName")
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") = 0 Then
        '-- Full Path to MDB BE
        stgBEPath = BEFullPath
    End If
    
    '-- Set tdf variables for LIB database
    Set dbs = CodeDb
    Set tdfBE = dbs.TableDefs("tblUserMessages")
    Set tdfTT = dbs.TableDefs("tblTTOpenItemsList")
    
    '-- Is relinking needed because paths are different?
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        '-- SQL Server BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect = ";DATABASE=" &
stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    Else
        '-- MDB BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect =
";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    End If
    dbs.Close
    
    '-- Attempt to relink
    If RelinkingTables(stgBEPath, stgTTPath, "Library") = False Then
        stgMessage = "Automatic Library Table Re-Linking was NOT
Successful." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Table Name = " & MstgTableName _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Contact your System Owner (" & PersonJobRolePrimary("System
Owner") & "." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "The system will now shut down.@ @"
        FormattedMsgBox GstgReminder, stgMessage, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Re-Linking Not Successful"
        Call QuitFromLibrary(False, True)
    End If
    
    'Call CollectStartupTimeInfo("RelinkLibraryTables")

    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Public Sub RelinkFrontEndTables()

    '-- This will verify that the table links to the BE are correct. Only
one table is checked.

    Dim tdfBE As DAO.TableDef
    Dim tdfTT As DAO.TableDef
    Dim stgMessage As String
    Dim stgBEPath As String
    Dim stgTTPath As String
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    
    'MlngStart = GetTickCount
    
    '-- Get BE path
    stgBEPath = ReadPSIParameter("SystemBEName")
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") = 0 Then
        '-- Full Path to MDB BE
        stgBEPath = BEFullPath
    End If
    
    '-- Get TT path
    stgTTPath = TempTablesPath
    
    '-- Set tdf variables for FE Database
    Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    Set tdfBE = dbs.TableDefs("ZZtblRefreshLinks")
    Set tdfTT = dbs.TableDefs("tblTTOpenItemsList")
    
    '-- Is relinking needed because paths are different?
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        '-- SQL Server BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect = ";DATABASE=" &
stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    Else
        '-- MDB BE
        If tdfBE.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And tdfTT.Connect =
";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
            dbs.Close
            Exit Sub
        End If
    End If
    dbs.Close
    
    '-- Attempt to relink
    If RelinkingTables(stgBEPath, stgTTPath, "Front End") = False Then
        stgMessage = "Automatic Front End Table Re-Linking was NOT
Successful." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Table Name = " & MstgTableName _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "Contact your System Owner." _
            & vbNewLine & vbNewLine _
            & "The system will now shut down.@ @"
        FormattedMsgBox GstgReminder, stgMessage, vbCritical + vbOKOnly,
"Re-Linking Not Successful"
        Call QuitFromLibrary(False, True)
    End If
    
    'Call CollectStartupTimeInfo("RelinkFrontEndTables")

    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Function RelinkingTables(stgBEPath As String, stgTTPath As String,
stgName As String) As Boolean

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database
    Dim intStatus As Integer
    Dim stgBEType As String

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If

    '-- Set up progress bar
    Call DisplayPB(0, dbs.TableDefs.Count, "Refreshing " & stgName & " Table
Links . . .")
    intStatus = 0
    
    If InStr(stgBEPath, "=") > 0 Then
        stgBEType = "SQL"
    Else
        stgBEType = "JET"
    End If

    '-- Relink the table if it is a link
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
    
        '-- Links to MDB
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedTable) Then
            If Left$(tdf.Name, 5) = "tblTT" Then
                '-- Temp Table Path
                If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath Then
                    tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgTTPath
                    tdf.RefreshLink
                End If
            Else
                If Left$(tdf.Name, 4) = "VTG_" Then
                    '-- This will link to Harvey Vogel MRP tables
                    If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & Replace(stgBEPath,
"PSIHVMBE.mdb", "VantageData.mdb") Then
                        tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & Replace(stgBEPath,
"PSIHVMBE.mdb", "VantageData.mdb")
                        tdf.RefreshLink
                    End If
                Else
                    '-- BE Path
                    If tdf.Connect <> ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath And stgBEType
= "JET" Then
                        tdf.Connect = ";DATABASE=" & stgBEPath
                        tdf.RefreshLink
                    End If
                End If
            End If
        End If
        
        '-- Links to SQL Server
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedODBC) Then
            '-- BE Path
            If tdf.Connect <> stgBEPath And stgBEType = "SQL" Then
                tdf.Connect = stgBEPath
                tdf.RefreshLink
            End If
        End If
                
        intStatus = intStatus + 1
        Call DisplayPB(intStatus)
        DoEvents
    Next tdf
    
    Call RenameLinks(stgBEType, stgName)
        
    Call ClosePB
    
    DBEngine(0)(0).TableDefs.Refresh
    Application.RefreshDatabaseWindow
    
    RelinkingTables = True
    
    dbs.Close

    Exit Function
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Function

Private Sub RenameLinks(stgBEType As String, stgName As String)

    Dim blnRenamingIsNeeded As Boolean
    Dim stgActivityTable As String
    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Name = "SS_tblActivity" And stgBEType = "SQL") Or (tdf.Name
= "AC_tblActivity" And stgBEType = "JET") Then
            blnRenamingIsNeeded = True
            Exit For
        End If
    Next tdf
    dbs.Close
    If blnRenamingIsNeeded = False Then
        Exit Sub
    End If
    
    If stgBEType = "SQL" Then
        Call RenameLinksJET(False, stgName)
        Call RenameLinksSQL(True, stgName)
    Else
        Call RenameLinksSQL(False, stgName)
        Call RenameLinksJET(True, stgName)
    End If
    
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Sub RenameLinksSQL(blnUseSQL As Boolean, stgName As String)

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedODBC) Then
            If blnUseSQL = True Then
                If InStr(tdf.Name, "SS_") > 0 Then
                    tdf.Name = Mid(tdf.Name, 4)
                End If
            Else
                If InStr(tdf.Name, "SS_") = 0 Then
                    tdf.Name = "SS_" & tdf.Name
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next tdf
    
    dbs.Close
      
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

Private Sub RenameLinksJET(blnUseJET As Boolean, stgName As String)

    Dim tdf As DAO.TableDef
    Dim dbs As DAO.Database

    '-- Set correct database
    If stgName = "Library" Then
        Set dbs = CodeDb
    Else
        Set dbs = DBEngine(0)(0)
    End If
    
    For Each tdf In dbs.TableDefs
        If (tdf.Attributes And dbAttachedTable) Then
            If Left(tdf.Name, 5) <> "tblTT" Then
                If blnUseJET = True Then
                    If InStr(tdf.Name, "AC_") > 0 Then
                        tdf.Name = Mid(tdf.Name, 4)
                    End If
                Else
                    If InStr(tdf.Name, "AC_") = 0 Then
                        tdf.Name = "AC_" & tdf.Name
                    End If
                End If
            End If
        End If
    Next tdf
    
    dbs.Close
    
    Exit Sub
    ErrEx.Bookmark = BOOKMARK_ONERROR

End Sub

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:12 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking

Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years. 

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along. 

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim  

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From paulrster at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 03:53:50 2009
From: paulrster at gmail.com (Paul Rodgers)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:53:50 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
	Begin!
In-Reply-To: <2D60F7BC145541469C626A433EB6D507@advancedinput.com>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com>
	<01da01ca28b7$faf69270$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
	<2D60F7BC145541469C626A433EB6D507@advancedinput.com>
Message-ID: <1ad7dee90908300153j4730acd5v20aab0faf6e475e7@mail.gmail.com>

What a surprise, Eric. Probably a mistake. You know, Microsoft. They're on
our side.
Cheers
paul

Anyway, Firefox and Safari and Avanti, even Chrome, are miles better,

2009/8/30 Eric Barro <ebarro at verizon.net>

> IE8 breaks stuff that was working fine in IE6 and IE7.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
> Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:50 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
> Begin!
>
> Re: "If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks! "
>
> I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
> continue into IE9.
> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>
>
>


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 30 11:41:37 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:41:37 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
Message-ID: <F16D5EFCD18649AEB9706D10F8BD412D@HAL9005>

Dear List:

How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will stop
asking me every time I run it?

MTIA

Rocky




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 12:22:50 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:22:50 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Another Pair of Eyes Needed
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908301022t7fa62a03r5aaee1fc3cab1136@mail.gmail.com>

I am in the process of enhancing an app that I have worked on here and there
over the last few years (a few weeks here and there). I inherited this app
when its original developer got a full-time job and no longer had the time
to work on it. That's the background.
Now for the puzzle. There's a form called Issue List that I have not touched
at all, to my recollection. Yet in the former version, the form works, while
in the new version it doesn't. Somehow the form has suddenly become
un-updatable. The underlying queries are identical in both versions, and so
far as I can tell, so is the code behind the form.

I've tossed way too many hours at this problem. I need a fresh pair of eyes.
I would send you both versions of the FE and the BE, and supply a little
read-me that tells you what to do to experience the working form and the
non-working form.

I'm not asking for the world, just a quick glance at the two versions of the
FE. All I have to offer in exchange is eternal gratitude. Any volunteers? If
you've got a spare hour and are interested, please email me off-list and
I'll send you the code and data.

Thanks,
Arthur the Mystified


From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Sun Aug 30 18:02:55 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:02:55 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] FW: OT: Vista Question
Message-ID: <6BEDDD30703E4DD1854BFDD0C769861C@HAL9005>

Found the answer:

http://www.ghacks.net/2007/02/28/an-unidentified-program-wants-access-to-you
r-computer/

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: OT: Vista Question

Dear List:

How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will stop
asking me every time I run it?

MTIA

Rocky




From Darryl.Collins at anz.com  Sun Aug 30 18:32:50 2009
From: Darryl.Collins at anz.com (Collins, Darryl)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:32:50 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] Another Pair of Eyes Needed
In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0908301022t7fa62a03r5aaee1fc3cab1136@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C79439@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>

Arthur,

Have you checked that all the underlying tables/queries that the form
uses have the primary keys and indexes set up exactly the same (and the
fields are all dimmed the same) in the new version vs the old version?

Darryl

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
Sent: Monday, 31 August 2009 3:23 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Another Pair of Eyes Needed

I am in the process of enhancing an app that I have worked on here and
there over the last few years (a few weeks here and there). I inherited
this app when its original developer got a full-time job and no longer
had the time to work on it. That's the background.
Now for the puzzle. There's a form called Issue List that I have not
touched at all, to my recollection. Yet in the former version, the form
works, while in the new version it doesn't. Somehow the form has
suddenly become un-updatable. The underlying queries are identical in
both versions, and so far as I can tell, so is the code behind the form.

I've tossed way too many hours at this problem. I need a fresh pair of
eyes.
I would send you both versions of the FE and the BE, and supply a little
read-me that tells you what to do to experience the working form and the
non-working form.

I'm not asking for the world, just a quick glance at the two versions of
the FE. All I have to offer in exchange is eternal gratitude. Any
volunteers? If you've got a spare hour and are interested, please email
me off-list and I'll send you the code and data.

Thanks,
Arthur the Mystified
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From miscellany at mvps.org  Sun Aug 30 18:49:49 2009
From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:49:49 +1200
Subject: [AccessD] Another Pair of Eyes Needed
In-Reply-To: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C79439@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
References: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C79439@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
Message-ID: <135C0BE21B9745B4B747C376C7042892@stevePC>

Arthur,

... and that the AllowEdits property of the form hasn't been inadvertently 
changed?

Regards
Steve


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Collins, Darryl" <Darryl.Collins at anz.com>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 11:32 AM
To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
<accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Another Pair of Eyes Needed

> Arthur,
>
> Have you checked that all the underlying tables/queries that the form
> uses have the primary keys and indexes set up exactly the same (and the
> fields are all dimmed the same) in the new version vs the old version?
>
> Darryl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller
> Sent: Monday, 31 August 2009 3:23 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Another Pair of Eyes Needed
>
> I am in the process of enhancing an app that I have worked on here and
> there over the last few years (a few weeks here and there). I inherited
> this app when its original developer got a full-time job and no longer
> had the time to work on it. That's the background.
> Now for the puzzle. There's a form called Issue List that I have not
> touched at all, to my recollection. Yet in the former version, the form
> works, while in the new version it doesn't. Somehow the form has
> suddenly become un-updatable. The underlying queries are identical in
> both versions, and so far as I can tell, so is the code behind the form.
>
> I've tossed way too many hours at this problem. I need a fresh pair of
> eyes.
> I would send you both versions of the FE and the BE, and supply a little
> read-me that tells you what to do to experience the working form and the
> non-working form.
>
> I'm not asking for the world, just a quick glance at the two versions of
> the FE. All I have to offer in exchange is eternal gratitude. Any
> volunteers? If you've got a spare hour and are interested, please email
> me off-list and I'll send you the code and data.
>
 



From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 03:25:41 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:25:41 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] FW: OT: Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <6BEDDD30703E4DD1854BFDD0C769861C@HAL9005>
References: <6BEDDD30703E4DD1854BFDD0C769861C@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <4a9b8938.1c07d00a.56e6.120f@mx.google.com>

If you have Vista Home Edition, you will not find you have access to
secpol.msc.

For more information,  click on Start/Help and Support and type in
secpol.msc

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 31 August 2009 00:03
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] FW: OT: Vista Question

Found the answer:

http://www.ghacks.net/2007/02/28/an-unidentified-program-wants-access-to-you
r-computer/

Rocky
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rocky Smolin [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 9:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: OT: Vista Question

Dear List:

How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will stop
asking me every time I run it?

MTIA

Rocky


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From accessd at shaw.ca  Mon Aug 31 03:40:46 2009
From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:40:46 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] relinking
In-Reply-To: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200AC9A5FC78@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
References: <693FBD00C4FF46A28E33D804EB2379BC@creativesystemdesigns.com>
	<57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC27200AC9A5FC78@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au>
Message-ID: <3318A1BE958145749675AD98ED4B69F1@creativesystemdesigns.com>

Darryl:

Thank you very much for the offer. If I run into any issues I know who to
ask.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darryl Collins
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:43 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] relinking

Jim,

I just did this last week. If you don't find the code you want, I can help
you out with both AccessFE to AccessBE relink and AccessFE to SQL ServerBE
relink.

regards
Darry

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Jim Lawrence
Sent: Saturday, 29 August 2009 5:12 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] relinking


Hi All:

I have not worked with the relinking of an Access module for a while...
probably close to 10 years.

I had a module at one time that would automatically link the FE and BE and
if the BE could not be found, in the last known or saved location, the user
could then browse and re-connect... This piece of code was put away
carefully and after many years... lost or forgotten.

If anyone has access to or knows where to find, the definitive Access FE/
Access BE 'relinking' code/module, would you pass it along.

It would be greatly appreciated.

Jim

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From JHewson at nciinc.com  Mon Aug 31 08:11:52 2009
From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim )
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:11:52 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
	Begin!
In-Reply-To: <2D60F7BC145541469C626A433EB6D507@advancedinput.com>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com><01da01ca28b7$faf69270$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
	<2D60F7BC145541469C626A433EB6D507@advancedinput.com>
Message-ID: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE620@sanex101.nciinc.com>

That's a fact!  
Breaks SharePoint 2007 - we have been uninstalling IE8 and reverting
back to IE7.
There are several features of MOSS 2007 that IE7 has no problems with,
but IE8 doesn't allow them to be used.  Most notably, the ability to
copy documents from one site to another. 

Jim


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
Speculation Begin!

IE8 breaks stuff that was working fine in IE6 and IE7.  

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark Simms
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:50 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
Speculation
Begin!

Re: "If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks! "

I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
continue into IE9.
Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.



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From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Aug 31 08:32:00 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:32:00 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
Message-ID: <4A9BD0D0.8060906@torchlake.com>

Hi Drew,

After running into a number of frustrations working on the TreeView, I 
set it aside for a few months.  Now, I've come back to working on it. 

Thanks very much for the example database you made.  It works perfectly, 
so I used your code as a basis to build a practice database. 

I am running into a runtime error  
"Run-time error '-2147217904(80040e10)':
No value given for one or more required parameters."

Debug highlights the line of code:
"CurrentProject.Connection.Execute strSQL" in the
Private Sub tvwSkills_NodeCheck(ByVal Node As Object).

If you would look over the practice database I made based on your 
example database and code, I would very much appreciate it.  May I send 
it to you?

Thanks for all your help.  Your example database works perfectly, and I 
don't see why mine does not.

T


From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Aug 31 08:31:21 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:31:21 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
	Speculation	Begin!
In-Reply-To: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE620@sanex101.nciinc.com>
References: <7c7841600908271615o7afc9c0j5429648b1090f067@mail.gmail.com><01da01ca28b7$faf69270$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>
	<2D60F7BC145541469C626A433EB6D507@advancedinput.com>,
	<7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A86BE620@sanex101.nciinc.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C7D@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Try copy and paste documents between Windows Explorer windows as opposed to drag and drop. PITA I know.

Martin


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim  [JHewson at nciinc.com]
Sent: 31 August 2009 14:11
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation      Begin!

That's a fact!
Breaks SharePoint 2007 - we have been uninstalling IE8 and reverting
back to IE7.
There are several features of MOSS 2007 that IE7 has no problems with,
but IE8 doesn't allow them to be used.  Most notably, the ability to
copy documents from one site to another.

Jim


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Eric Barro
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:19 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
Speculation Begin!

IE8 breaks stuff that was working fine in IE6 and IE7.

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Speculation
Begin!

Re: "If it's standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript -- both cheeks! "

I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
continue into IE9.
Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.



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From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 09:29:31 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:29:31 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Another Pair of Eyes Needed
In-Reply-To: <6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C79439@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
References: <29f585dd0908301022t7fa62a03r5aaee1fc3cab1136@mail.gmail.com>
	<6DC4725FDCDD72428D6114F1B6CC6E81C79439@EXUAU020HWT110.oceania.corp.anz.com>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908310729s25798f98j721c5604a5f8d7b@mail.gmail.com>

Both versions address the same BE, so that can't be the problem. Good
suggestion, though.
A.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Collins, Darryl <Darryl.Collins at anz.com>wrote:

> Arthur,
>
> Have you checked that all the underlying tables/queries that the form
> uses have the primary keys and indexes set up exactly the same (and the
> fields are all dimmed the same) in the new version vs the old version?
>
> Darryl
>
>


From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 31 09:39:04 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:39:04 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Another Pair of Eyes Needed
Message-ID: <sa9bfcbb.043@cactus.dk>

Hi Arthur

Try to use the function SaveAsText to save your working form to text file.
Rename the malfunctioning form; load the working form from the text file with LoadFromText:

SaveAsText acForm, "frmName", "FormName.txt"

and:
LoadFromText acForm, "frmName", "FormName.txt"

/gustav




From fuller.artful at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 10:00:37 2009
From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:00:37 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Another Pair of Eyes Needed
In-Reply-To: <sa9bfcbb.043@cactus.dk>
References: <sa9bfcbb.043@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <29f585dd0908310800l6d46d96gda7a77b52ae4ea6d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Gustav, I'll give that a try.
A.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Gustav Brock <Gustav at cactus.dk> wrote:

> Hi Arthur
>
> Try to use the function SaveAsText to save your working form to text file.
> Rename the malfunctioning form; load the working form from the text file
> with LoadFromText:
>
> SaveAsText acForm, "frmName", "FormName.txt"
>
> and:
> LoadFromText acForm, "frmName", "FormName.txt"
>
> /gustav
>
>


From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 10:13:17 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:13:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
	Begin!
Message-ID: <7c7841600908310813t552dd74are212163b33968d74@mail.gmail.com>

Some responses:

Jennifer Gross:

> It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data Access
> Pages right ;)


I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight front-end. DAP
for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")  will offer a choice of
'canned' form types: edit record, datasheet etc., from which you can cobble
together a pretty basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at least
one very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have built-in
concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the ASP.NET enterprise web
app market. Oh, and you can probably use these Dapplelight forms directly in
your Access app, as well, for the same look over the internet as on your
desktop.

Max Wanadoo:

> Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
>

Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to finally start the
break with VBA in Access. I will bet that Dapplelight will not be extensible
using VBA -- it will only support the "improved" macros out of the box. But,
Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers will be able to
extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make sense, because Silverlight runs on
top of .NET, too.

In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through .NET, which
would then be pitched as the best way forward to provide functionality to
the Access masses. They are adding If..Then..Else structures to macros; if
they add Try...Catch and looping constructs, they will have a very simple,
approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible app-building
capability to the masses, without threatening the .NET programming
priesthood.

Further, this could well provide a whole new market of third-party
Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions, which could breath some
fresh air into the Access app market.

Mark Simms:

> I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
> continue into IE9.
> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>

I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see what Microsoft
has in mind for their browsers.

-Ken


From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 31 11:42:22 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:42:22 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
 Begin!
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908310813t552dd74are212163b33968d74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908310813t552dd74are212163b33968d74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A9BFD6E.6000206@colbyconsulting.com>

 >You'll get at least one very pretty skin, with promises for more.

Notice that you won't actually GET any more until two revisions down the road, at which point they 
will have canned this technology and introduced Waterfall version1, which will be incompatible with 
all past offerings.

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Kenneth Ismert wrote:
> Some responses:
> 
> Jennifer Gross:
> 
>> It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data Access
>> Pages right ;)
> 
> 
> I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight front-end. DAP
> for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")  will offer a choice of
> 'canned' form types: edit record, datasheet etc., from which you can cobble
> together a pretty basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at least
> one very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have built-in
> concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the ASP.NET enterprise web
> app market. Oh, and you can probably use these Dapplelight forms directly in
> your Access app, as well, for the same look over the internet as on your
> desktop.
> 
> Max Wanadoo:
> 
>> Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
>>
> 
> Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to finally start the
> break with VBA in Access. I will bet that Dapplelight will not be extensible
> using VBA -- it will only support the "improved" macros out of the box. But,
> Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers will be able to
> extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make sense, because Silverlight runs on
> top of .NET, too.
> 
> In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through .NET, which
> would then be pitched as the best way forward to provide functionality to
> the Access masses. They are adding If..Then..Else structures to macros; if
> they add Try...Catch and looping constructs, they will have a very simple,
> approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible app-building
> capability to the masses, without threatening the .NET programming
> priesthood.
> 
> Further, this could well provide a whole new market of third-party
> Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions, which could breath some
> fresh air into the Access app market.
> 
> Mark Simms:
> 
>> I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
>> continue into IE9.
>> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>>
> 
> I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see what Microsoft
> has in mind for their browsers.
> 
> -Ken


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 12:02:43 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:02:43 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed
	Speculation	Begin!
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908310813t552dd74are212163b33968d74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7c7841600908310813t552dd74are212163b33968d74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a9c0278.1c07d00a.7a42.1990@mx.google.com>

Thanks for the very interesting update, Ken.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 31 August 2009 16:13
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
Begin!

Some responses:

Jennifer Gross:

> It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data Access
> Pages right ;)


I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight front-end. DAP
for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")  will offer a choice of
'canned' form types: edit record, datasheet etc., from which you can cobble
together a pretty basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at least
one very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have built-in
concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the ASP.NET enterprise web
app market. Oh, and you can probably use these Dapplelight forms directly in
your Access app, as well, for the same look over the internet as on your
desktop.

Max Wanadoo:

> Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
>

Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to finally start the
break with VBA in Access. I will bet that Dapplelight will not be extensible
using VBA -- it will only support the "improved" macros out of the box. But,
Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers will be able to
extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make sense, because Silverlight runs on
top of .NET, too.

In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through .NET, which
would then be pitched as the best way forward to provide functionality to
the Access masses. They are adding If..Then..Else structures to macros; if
they add Try...Catch and looping constructs, they will have a very simple,
approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible app-building
capability to the masses, without threatening the .NET programming
priesthood.

Further, this could well provide a whole new market of third-party
Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions, which could breath some
fresh air into the Access app market.

Mark Simms:

> I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
> continue into IE9.
> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>

I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see what Microsoft
has in mind for their browsers.

-Ken
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From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 12:44:47 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:44:47 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1251738001.2264.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
References: <mailman.0.1251738001.2264.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
Message-ID: <7c7841600908311044h4bd69b2dv29b196149cf52197@mail.gmail.com>

jwcolby

> Notice that you won't actually GET any more until two revisions down the
> road, at which point they will have canned this technology and introduced
> Waterfall version1, which will be incompatible with all past offerings.
>

At some point, they have to ditch the VBA-based apps. This may be a first
step.

But, a Silverlight-based web approach is risky, too. Silverlight market
penetration is nowhere near the Flash/Flex level. (See
http://www.statowl.com/silverlight.php).

And, the number of Flash/Flex web apps is vanishingly small compared to
plain standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript, because their proprietary
approach renders their content invisible to search engines.

Now, if Silverlight apps are fully searchable by search engines, that would
be a real selling-point. But if they aren't, it will be a tough, tough sell
(no one wants to open an e-commerce site that is completely invisible to
search engines).

In short, Microsoft will have to offer something compelling here, or it will
become a historical footnote, like the failed DAP feature.

-Ken



> Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>
>> Some responses:
>>
>> Jennifer Gross:
>>
>>  It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data Access
>>> Pages right ;)
>>>
>>
>>
>> I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight front-end.
>> DAP
>> for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")  will offer a choice of
>> 'canned' form types: edit record, datasheet etc., from which you can
>> cobble
>> together a pretty basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at
>> least
>> one very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have built-in
>> concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the ASP.NET enterprise web
>> app market. Oh, and you can probably use these Dapplelight forms directly
>> in
>> your Access app, as well, for the same look over the internet as on your
>> desktop.
>>
>> Max Wanadoo:
>>
>>  Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
>>>
>>>
>> Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to finally start
>> the
>> break with VBA in Access. I will bet that Dapplelight will not be
>> extensible
>> using VBA -- it will only support the "improved" macros out of the box.
>> But,
>> Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers will be able
>> to
>> extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make sense, because Silverlight runs
>> on
>> top of .NET, too.
>>
>> In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through .NET, which
>> would then be pitched as the best way forward to provide functionality to
>> the Access masses. They are adding If..Then..Else structures to macros; if
>> they add Try...Catch and looping constructs, they will have a very simple,
>> approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible app-building
>> capability to the masses, without threatening the .NET programming
>> priesthood.
>>
>> Further, this could well provide a whole new market of third-party
>> Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions, which could breath some
>> fresh air into the Access app market.
>>
>> Mark Simms:
>>
>>  I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
>>> continue into IE9.
>>> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>>>
>>>
>> I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see what
>> Microsoft
>> has in mind for their browsers.
>>
>> -Ken
>>
>
>
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Aug 31 13:12:50 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:12:50 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <7c7841600908311044h4bd69b2dv29b196149cf52197@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.0.1251738001.2264.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>
	<7c7841600908311044h4bd69b2dv29b196149cf52197@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00aa01ca2a66$a7f80300$f7e80900$@spb.ru>

<<<
... Now, if Silverlight apps are fully searchable by search engines, ...
>>>
Hi Ken,

MS will make it happen using Bing I guess.

Did you guys see Bing maps already? - http://www.bing.com/maps/ 

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:45 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55

jwcolby

> Notice that you won't actually GET any more until two revisions down the
> road, at which point they will have canned this technology and introduced
> Waterfall version1, which will be incompatible with all past offerings.
>

At some point, they have to ditch the VBA-based apps. This may be a first
step.

But, a Silverlight-based web approach is risky, too. Silverlight market
penetration is nowhere near the Flash/Flex level. (See
http://www.statowl.com/silverlight.php).

And, the number of Flash/Flex web apps is vanishingly small compared to
plain standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript, because their proprietary
approach renders their content invisible to search engines.

Now, if Silverlight apps are fully searchable by search engines, that would
be a real selling-point. But if they aren't, it will be a tough, tough sell
(no one wants to open an e-commerce site that is completely invisible to
search engines).

In short, Microsoft will have to offer something compelling here, or it will
become a historical footnote, like the failed DAP feature.

-Ken



> Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>
>> Some responses:
>>
>> Jennifer Gross:
>>
>>  It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data Access
>>> Pages right ;)
>>>
>>
>>
>> I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight front-end.
>> DAP
>> for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")  will offer a choice of
>> 'canned' form types: edit record, datasheet etc., from which you can
>> cobble
>> together a pretty basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at
>> least
>> one very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have built-in
>> concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the ASP.NET enterprise web
>> app market. Oh, and you can probably use these Dapplelight forms directly
>> in
>> your Access app, as well, for the same look over the internet as on your
>> desktop.
>>
>> Max Wanadoo:
>>
>>  Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
>>>
>>>
>> Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to finally start
>> the
>> break with VBA in Access. I will bet that Dapplelight will not be
>> extensible
>> using VBA -- it will only support the "improved" macros out of the box.
>> But,
>> Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers will be able
>> to
>> extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make sense, because Silverlight runs
>> on
>> top of .NET, too.
>>
>> In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through .NET, which
>> would then be pitched as the best way forward to provide functionality to
>> the Access masses. They are adding If..Then..Else structures to macros;
if
>> they add Try...Catch and looping constructs, they will have a very
simple,
>> approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible app-building
>> capability to the masses, without threatening the .NET programming
>> priesthood.
>>
>> Further, this could well provide a whole new market of third-party
>> Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions, which could breath some
>> fresh air into the Access app market.
>>
>> Mark Simms:
>>
>>  I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
>>> continue into IE9.
>>> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>>>
>>>
>> I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see what
>> Microsoft
>> has in mind for their browsers.
>>
>> -Ken
>>

 

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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 31 13:55:17 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:55:17 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] NZ question
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C190A0E7D25@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

I have the following as a field in a query. Since date() is a variant why does the following not want to work? It wants a manual data entry.

End_Allocations_Calc: NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],Date())

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

?
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 31 13:59:26 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:59:26 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <00aa01ca2a66$a7f80300$f7e80900$@spb.ru>
References: <mailman.0.1251738001.2264.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841600908311044h4bd69b2dv29b196149cf52197@mail.gmail.com>
	<00aa01ca2a66$a7f80300$f7e80900$@spb.ru>
Message-ID: <4A9C1D8E.3070703@colbyconsulting.com>

Do I smell another "open systems" lawsuit by the European folks?

The only search engine that can see our Silverlite stuff is Bing...

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> <<<
> ... Now, if Silverlight apps are fully searchable by search engines, ...
> Hi Ken,
> 
> MS will make it happen using Bing I guess.
> 
> Did you guys see Bing maps already? - http://www.bing.com/maps/ 
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:45 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55
> 
> jwcolby
> 
>> Notice that you won't actually GET any more until two revisions down the
>> road, at which point they will have canned this technology and introduced
>> Waterfall version1, which will be incompatible with all past offerings.
>>
> 
> At some point, they have to ditch the VBA-based apps. This may be a first
> step.
> 
> But, a Silverlight-based web approach is risky, too. Silverlight market
> penetration is nowhere near the Flash/Flex level. (See
> http://www.statowl.com/silverlight.php).
> 
> And, the number of Flash/Flex web apps is vanishingly small compared to
> plain standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript, because their proprietary
> approach renders their content invisible to search engines.
> 
> Now, if Silverlight apps are fully searchable by search engines, that would
> be a real selling-point. But if they aren't, it will be a tough, tough sell
> (no one wants to open an e-commerce site that is completely invisible to
> search engines).
> 
> In short, Microsoft will have to offer something compelling here, or it will
> become a historical footnote, like the failed DAP feature.
> 
> -Ken
> 
> 
> 
>> Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>>
>>> Some responses:
>>>
>>> Jennifer Gross:
>>>
>>>  It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data Access
>>>> Pages right ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight front-end.
>>> DAP
>>> for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")  will offer a choice of
>>> 'canned' form types: edit record, datasheet etc., from which you can
>>> cobble
>>> together a pretty basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at
>>> least
>>> one very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have built-in
>>> concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the ASP.NET enterprise web
>>> app market. Oh, and you can probably use these Dapplelight forms directly
>>> in
>>> your Access app, as well, for the same look over the internet as on your
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>> Max Wanadoo:
>>>
>>>  Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
>>>>
>>> Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to finally start
>>> the
>>> break with VBA in Access. I will bet that Dapplelight will not be
>>> extensible
>>> using VBA -- it will only support the "improved" macros out of the box.
>>> But,
>>> Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers will be able
>>> to
>>> extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make sense, because Silverlight runs
>>> on
>>> top of .NET, too.
>>>
>>> In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through .NET, which
>>> would then be pitched as the best way forward to provide functionality to
>>> the Access masses. They are adding If..Then..Else structures to macros;
> if
>>> they add Try...Catch and looping constructs, they will have a very
> simple,
>>> approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible app-building
>>> capability to the masses, without threatening the .NET programming
>>> priesthood.
>>>
>>> Further, this could well provide a whole new market of third-party
>>> Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions, which could breath some
>>> fresh air into the Access app market.
>>>
>>> Mark Simms:
>>>
>>>  I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
>>>> continue into IE9.
>>>> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see what
>>> Microsoft
>>> has in mind for their browsers.
>>>
>>> -Ken
>>>
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 14:00:27 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:00:27 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] NZ question
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C190A0E7D25@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C190A0E7D25@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <4a9c1e16.0a1ad00a.618a.1438@mx.google.com>

It works ok my end, Chester
Does date() work in your Immediate Pane if you type it in, if not check your
references

Max



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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: 31 August 2009 19:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] NZ question

I have the following as a field in a query. Since date() is a variant why
does the following not want to work? It wants a manual data entry.

End_Allocations_Calc: NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],Date())

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 14:06:09 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:06:09 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <4A9C1D8E.3070703@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <mailman.0.1251738001.2264.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841600908311044h4bd69b2dv29b196149cf52197@mail.gmail.com>	<00aa01ca2a66$a7f80300$f7e80900$@spb.ru>
	<4A9C1D8E.3070703@colbyconsulting.com>
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Surly to goodness,  MS are entitle to make one of their own applications
without having to make it open source.  No other software develop gets
treated as shabbily as MS does.

Max


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From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: 31 August 2009 19:59
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55

Do I smell another "open systems" lawsuit by the European folks?

The only search engine that can see our Silverlite stuff is Bing...

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> <<<
> ... Now, if Silverlight apps are fully searchable by search engines, ...
> Hi Ken,
> 
> MS will make it happen using Bing I guess.
> 
> Did you guys see Bing maps already? - http://www.bing.com/maps/ 
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:45 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55
> 
> jwcolby
> 
>> Notice that you won't actually GET any more until two revisions down the
>> road, at which point they will have canned this technology and introduced
>> Waterfall version1, which will be incompatible with all past offerings.
>>
> 
> At some point, they have to ditch the VBA-based apps. This may be a first
> step.
> 
> But, a Silverlight-based web approach is risky, too. Silverlight market
> penetration is nowhere near the Flash/Flex level. (See
> http://www.statowl.com/silverlight.php).
> 
> And, the number of Flash/Flex web apps is vanishingly small compared to
> plain standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript, because their proprietary
> approach renders their content invisible to search engines.
> 
> Now, if Silverlight apps are fully searchable by search engines, that
would
> be a real selling-point. But if they aren't, it will be a tough, tough
sell
> (no one wants to open an e-commerce site that is completely invisible to
> search engines).
> 
> In short, Microsoft will have to offer something compelling here, or it
will
> become a historical footnote, like the failed DAP feature.
> 
> -Ken
> 
> 
> 
>> Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>>
>>> Some responses:
>>>
>>> Jennifer Gross:
>>>
>>>  It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data
Access
>>>> Pages right ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight front-end.
>>> DAP
>>> for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")  will offer a choice of
>>> 'canned' form types: edit record, datasheet etc., from which you can
>>> cobble
>>> together a pretty basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at
>>> least
>>> one very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have built-in
>>> concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the ASP.NET enterprise
web
>>> app market. Oh, and you can probably use these Dapplelight forms
directly
>>> in
>>> your Access app, as well, for the same look over the internet as on your
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>> Max Wanadoo:
>>>
>>>  Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
>>>>
>>> Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to finally start
>>> the
>>> break with VBA in Access. I will bet that Dapplelight will not be
>>> extensible
>>> using VBA -- it will only support the "improved" macros out of the box.
>>> But,
>>> Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers will be
able
>>> to
>>> extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make sense, because Silverlight
runs
>>> on
>>> top of .NET, too.
>>>
>>> In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through .NET,
which
>>> would then be pitched as the best way forward to provide functionality
to
>>> the Access masses. They are adding If..Then..Else structures to macros;
> if
>>> they add Try...Catch and looping constructs, they will have a very
> simple,
>>> approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible app-building
>>> capability to the masses, without threatening the .NET programming
>>> priesthood.
>>>
>>> Further, this could well provide a whole new market of third-party
>>> Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions, which could breath some
>>> fresh air into the Access app market.
>>>
>>> Mark Simms:
>>>
>>>  I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
>>>> continue into IE9.
>>>> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see what
>>> Microsoft
>>> has in mind for their browsers.
>>>
>>> -Ken
>>>
> 
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From davidmcafee at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 14:10:43 2009
From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:10:43 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] NZ question
In-Reply-To: <4a9c1e16.0a1ad00a.618a.1438@mx.google.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C190A0E7D25@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4a9c1e16.0a1ad00a.618a.1438@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8786a4c00908311210v4a11d5cey67055b6271eaf993@mail.gmail.com>

Try:

End_Allocations_Calc:
IIF(NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],"")="",DATE(),
[End_Manual_Allocation_Factors])



On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Max Wanadoo<max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> It works ok my end, Chester
> Does date() work in your Immediate Pane if you type it in, if not check your
> references
>
> Max
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
> Sent: 31 August 2009 19:55
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] NZ question
>
> I have the following as a field in a query. Since date() is a variant why
> does the following not want to work? It wants a manual data entry.
>
> End_Allocations_Calc: NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],Date())
>
> Chester Kaup
> Engineering Technician
> Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
> Office (432) 688-3797
> FAX (432) 688-3799
>
>
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From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com  Mon Aug 31 14:16:04 2009
From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:16:04 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] NZ question
In-Reply-To: <4a9c1e16.0a1ad00a.618a.1438@mx.google.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C190A0E7D25@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
	<4a9c1e16.0a1ad00a.618a.1438@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C190A0E7D32@houex1.kindermorgan.com>

Problem found. Query was actually referencing a field named date that did not exist in an underlying table anymore. Table filed name had been changed to a non reserved word but never the old query. 

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:00 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] NZ question

It works ok my end, Chester
Does date() work in your Immediate Pane if you type it in, if not check your
references

Max



-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: 31 August 2009 19:55
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] NZ question

I have the following as a field in a query. Since date() is a variant why
does the following not want to work? It wants a manual data entry.

End_Allocations_Calc: NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],Date())

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Aug 31 14:18:38 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:18:38 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] NZ question
In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C190A0E7D25@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C190A0E7D25@houex1.kindermorgan.com>
Message-ID: <6B28473EAAC540C2839F63F7571F09E3@danwaters>

Hi Chester,

I've found that Date() is not reliable from one PC to another.

Use this function instead:
Public Function CurrentDate() As Date
    
    CurrentDate = CDate(DatePart("m", Now()) & "/" & DatePart("d", Now()) &
"/" & DatePart("yyyy", Now()))
    
End Function

Then use:
End_Allocations_Calc: NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],CurrentDate)

Good Luck!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:55 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] NZ question

I have the following as a field in a query. Since date() is a variant why
does the following not want to work? It wants a manual data entry.

End_Allocations_Calc: NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],Date())

Chester Kaup
Engineering Technician
Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP
Office (432) 688-3797
FAX (432) 688-3799

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From mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk  Mon Aug 31 14:18:01 2009
From: mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk (Martin Reid)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:18:01 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the
	Wild-Eyed	Speculation	Begin!
In-Reply-To: <4a9c0278.1c07d00a.7a42.1990@mx.google.com>
References: <7c7841600908310813t552dd74are212163b33968d74@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a9c0278.1c07d00a.7a42.1990@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C80@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>

Nope. I would look at the direction Office in General is going in terms of the web to get a good idea of what's happening. 

The demo I seen was good but again it was not using a complex commercial application. I would say if your DB is heavy into VBA and uses a large amount of code you would still be looking at .NET or something else. However, if it was using some of the new features of Office 10 then it is fine.

I doubt you will get a big .NET application for the web.

They are not similar to DAP in that they will work in multiple browsers. 

Sorry but they have this under a very tight NDA

Martin


Martin WP Reid
Information Services
The Library at Queen's
Tel : 02890976174
Email : mwp.reid at qub.ac.uk
________________________________________
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo [max.wanadoo at gmail.com]
Sent: 31 August 2009 18:02
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed  Speculation     Begin!

Thanks for the very interesting update, Ken.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
Sent: 31 August 2009 16:13
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
Begin!

Some responses:

Jennifer Gross:

> It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data Access
> Pages right ;)


I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight front-end. DAP
for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")  will offer a choice of
'canned' form types: edit record, datasheet etc., from which you can cobble
together a pretty basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at least
one very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have built-in
concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the ASP.NET enterprise web
app market. Oh, and you can probably use these Dapplelight forms directly in
your Access app, as well, for the same look over the internet as on your
desktop.

Max Wanadoo:

> Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
>

Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to finally start the
break with VBA in Access. I will bet that Dapplelight will not be extensible
using VBA -- it will only support the "improved" macros out of the box. But,
Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers will be able to
extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make sense, because Silverlight runs on
top of .NET, too.

In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through .NET, which
would then be pitched as the best way forward to provide functionality to
the Access masses. They are adding If..Then..Else structures to macros; if
they add Try...Catch and looping constructs, they will have a very simple,
approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible app-building
capability to the masses, without threatening the .NET programming
priesthood.

Further, this could well provide a whole new market of third-party
Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions, which could breath some
fresh air into the Access app market.

Mark Simms:

> I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
> continue into IE9.
> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>

I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see what Microsoft
has in mind for their browsers.

-Ken
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From steve at goodhall.info  Mon Aug 31 14:21:31 2009
From: steve at goodhall.info (Steve Goodhall)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:21:31 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] NZ question
Message-ID: <2648.1251746491@goodhall.info>

  BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;
}Moral:  Never name a field the same as a function or other reserved
word.  It may bite you even after you fix it.
 Regards, 
 Steve Goodhall, MSCS, PMP 
 248-505-5204 
 On Mon 31/08/09  3:16 PM , "Kaup, Chester"
Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com sent:
 Problem found. Query was actually referencing a field named date
that did not exist in an underlying table anymore. Table filed name
had been changed to a non reserved word but never the old query. 
 Thanks.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [1]] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo
 Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 2:00 PM
 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
 Subject: Re: [AccessD] NZ question
 It works ok my end, Chester
 Does date() work in your Immediate Pane if you type it in, if not
check your
 references
 Max
 -----Original Message-----
 From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [2]
 [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [3]] On Behalf Of Kaup,
Chester
 Sent: 31 August 2009 19:55
 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
 Subject: [AccessD] NZ question
 I have the following as a field in a query. Since date() is a
variant why
 does the following not want to work? It wants a manual data entry.
 End_Allocations_Calc: NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],Date())
 Chester Kaup
 Engineering Technician
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From shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru  Mon Aug 31 14:22:10 2009
From: shamil at smsconsulting.spb.ru (Shamil Salakhetdinov)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:22:10 +0400
Subject: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55
In-Reply-To: <4A9C1D8E.3070703@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <mailman.0.1251738001.2264.accessd@databaseadvisors.com>	<7c7841600908311044h4bd69b2dv29b196149cf52197@mail.gmail.com>	<00aa01ca2a66$a7f80300$f7e80900$@spb.ru>
	<4A9C1D8E.3070703@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01ca2a70$588c64a0$09a52de0$@spb.ru>

Well, "Bing" seems to be not an original name in business world -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bing_(company) - here is where a "lawsuit
threat" may come from?

--
Shamil

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:59 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55

Do I smell another "open systems" lawsuit by the European folks?

The only search engine that can see our Silverlite stuff is Bing...

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Shamil Salakhetdinov wrote:
> <<<
> ... Now, if Silverlight apps are fully searchable by search engines, ...
> Hi Ken,
> 
> MS will make it happen using Bing I guess.
> 
> Did you guys see Bing maps already? - http://www.bing.com/maps/ 
> 
> --
> Shamil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 9:45 PM
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] AccessD Digest, Vol 78, Issue 55
> 
> jwcolby
> 
>> Notice that you won't actually GET any more until two revisions down the
>> road, at which point they will have canned this technology and introduced
>> Waterfall version1, which will be incompatible with all past offerings.
>>
> 
> At some point, they have to ditch the VBA-based apps. This may be a first
> step.
> 
> But, a Silverlight-based web approach is risky, too. Silverlight market
> penetration is nowhere near the Flash/Flex level. (See
> http://www.statowl.com/silverlight.php).
> 
> And, the number of Flash/Flex web apps is vanishingly small compared to
> plain standards-based HTML/CSS/Javascript, because their proprietary
> approach renders their content invisible to search engines.
> 
> Now, if Silverlight apps are fully searchable by search engines, that
would
> be a real selling-point. But if they aren't, it will be a tough, tough
sell
> (no one wants to open an e-commerce site that is completely invisible to
> search engines).
> 
> In short, Microsoft will have to offer something compelling here, or it
will
> become a historical footnote, like the failed DAP feature.
> 
> -Ken
> 
> 
> 
>> Kenneth Ismert wrote:
>>
>>> Some responses:
>>>
>>> Jennifer Gross:
>>>
>>>  It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data
Access
>>>> Pages right ;)
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight front-end.
>>> DAP
>>> for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")  will offer a choice of
>>> 'canned' form types: edit record, datasheet etc., from which you can
>>> cobble
>>> together a pretty basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at
>>> least
>>> one very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have built-in
>>> concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the ASP.NET enterprise
web
>>> app market. Oh, and you can probably use these Dapplelight forms
directly
>>> in
>>> your Access app, as well, for the same look over the internet as on your
>>> desktop.
>>>
>>> Max Wanadoo:
>>>
>>>  Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
>>>>
>>> Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to finally start
>>> the
>>> break with VBA in Access. I will bet that Dapplelight will not be
>>> extensible
>>> using VBA -- it will only support the "improved" macros out of the box.
>>> But,
>>> Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers will be
able
>>> to
>>> extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make sense, because Silverlight
runs
>>> on
>>> top of .NET, too.
>>>
>>> In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through .NET,
which
>>> would then be pitched as the best way forward to provide functionality
to
>>> the Access masses. They are adding If..Then..Else structures to macros;
> if
>>> they add Try...Catch and looping constructs, they will have a very
> simple,
>>> approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible app-building
>>> capability to the masses, without threatening the .NET programming
>>> priesthood.
>>>
>>> Further, this could well provide a whole new market of third-party
>>> Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions, which could breath some
>>> fresh air into the Access app market.
>>>
>>> Mark Simms:
>>>
>>>  I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight and that may
>>>> continue into IE9.
>>>> Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see what
>>> Microsoft
>>> has in mind for their browsers.
>>>
>>> -Ken
>>>
> 
>  

 

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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug 31 14:48:11 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:48:11 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <F16D5EFCD18649AEB9706D10F8BD412D@HAL9005>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AF8@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

Why don't you just turn UAC off?  Click Start, double click your user
'pic' (at the top right of the start menu).  There is an option to turn
of UAC (click that, and uncheck use UAC).  You'll be prompted to reboot,
and whalla, no more 'Do you want to do something' prompts.

Drew

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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question

Dear List:

How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will
stop
asking me every time I run it?

MTIA

Rocky


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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug 31 14:49:18 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:49:18 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
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Sure, send it too me.  I'll look at it when I get the chance.

Drew

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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:32 AM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please

Hi Drew,

After running into a number of frustrations working on the TreeView, I 
set it aside for a few months.  Now, I've come back to working on it. 

Thanks very much for the example database you made.  It works perfectly,

so I used your code as a basis to build a practice database. 

I am running into a runtime error  
"Run-time error '-2147217904(80040e10)':
No value given for one or more required parameters."

Debug highlights the line of code:
"CurrentProject.Connection.Execute strSQL" in the
Private Sub tvwSkills_NodeCheck(ByVal Node As Object).

If you would look over the practice database I made based on your 
example database and code, I would very much appreciate it.  May I send 
it to you?

Thanks for all your help.  Your example database works perfectly, and I 
don't see why mine does not.

T
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From rockysmolin at bchacc.com  Mon Aug 31 15:15:20 2009
From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:15:20 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AF8@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <F16D5EFCD18649AEB9706D10F8BD412D@HAL9005>
	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AF8@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Who knew?

Pretty much what I did approaching from another angle. I think.

Rocky
 

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Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question

Why don't you just turn UAC off?  Click Start, double click your user 'pic'
(at the top right of the start menu).  There is an option to turn of UAC
(click that, and uncheck use UAC).  You'll be prompted to reboot, and
whalla, no more 'Do you want to do something' prompts.

Drew

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Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question

Dear List:

How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will stop
asking me every time I run it?

MTIA

Rocky


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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 15:20:08 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:20:08 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <A6348CBE70174287845F8753F2DE1C69@HAL9005>
References: <F16D5EFCD18649AEB9706D10F8BD412D@HAL9005>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AF8@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
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Well, unless you are not reading my posts, Rocky, I told you this weeks ago.

Max


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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: 31 August 2009 21:15
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question

Who knew?

Pretty much what I did approaching from another angle. I think.

Rocky
 

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:48 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question

Why don't you just turn UAC off?  Click Start, double click your user 'pic'
(at the top right of the start menu).  There is an option to turn of UAC
(click that, and uncheck use UAC).  You'll be prompted to reboot, and
whalla, no more 'Do you want to do something' prompts.

Drew

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[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:42 AM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question

Dear List:

How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will stop
asking me every time I run it?

MTIA

Rocky


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From Gustav at cactus.dk  Mon Aug 31 15:24:42 2009
From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:24:42 +0200
Subject: [AccessD] Date and Now (was: NZ question)
Message-ID: <sa9c4dce.054@cactus.dk>

Hi Dan

I cannot verify that finding - actually I have never seen any issue with Date().

Also, your CurrentDate expression will not work in most of Europe and Asia because of the US format expression.
If you just want to strip the time part of a date/time value from Now, you can do it like this:

  CurrentDate = Int(Now)

If you prefer a more elaborate method, use DateSerial:

  datNow = Now
  CurrentDate = DateSerial(Year(datNow), Month(datNow), Day(datNow))

In general, the last method to manipulate or calculate numbers or date/times should be to revert to string handling.

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 31-08-2009 21:18 >>>
Hi Chester,

I've found that Date() is not reliable from one PC to another.

Use this function instead:
Public Function CurrentDate() As Date
    
    CurrentDate = CDate(DatePart("m", Now()) & "/" & DatePart("d", Now()) &
"/" & DatePart("yyyy", Now()))
    
End Function

Then use:
End_Allocations_Calc: NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],CurrentDate)

Good Luck!
Dan





From tinanfields at torchlake.com  Mon Aug 31 15:36:08 2009
From: tinanfields at torchlake.com (Tina Norris Fields)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:36:08 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AF9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AF9@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <4A9C3438.3080008@torchlake.com>

Thanks, I've sent it to you off-list via YouSendIt.  I really appreciate 
your help.
T

Drew Wutka wrote:
> Sure, send it too me.  I'll look at it when I get the chance.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
>
> Hi Drew,
>
> After running into a number of frustrations working on the TreeView, I 
> set it aside for a few months.  Now, I've come back to working on it. 
>
> Thanks very much for the example database you made.  It works perfectly,
>
> so I used your code as a basis to build a practice database. 
>
> I am running into a runtime error  
> "Run-time error '-2147217904(80040e10)':
> No value given for one or more required parameters."
>
> Debug highlights the line of code:
> "CurrentProject.Connection.Execute strSQL" in the
> Private Sub tvwSkills_NodeCheck(ByVal Node As Object).
>
> If you would look over the practice database I made based on your 
> example database and code, I would very much appreciate it.  May I send 
> it to you?
>
> Thanks for all your help.  Your example database works perfectly, and I 
> don't see why mine does not.
>
> T
>   


From dwaters at usinternet.com  Mon Aug 31 15:49:09 2009
From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:49:09 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Date and Now (was: NZ question)
In-Reply-To: <sa9c4dce.054@cactus.dk>
References: <sa9c4dce.054@cactus.dk>
Message-ID: <4D5AF9881E334A26B83D5A32D987AF48@danwaters>

Thanks Gustav - I like the simple stuff!

It's been a few years since I've seen a problem with Date().  But I do
remember that other folks on this list had also seen occasional problems
with Date().

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date and Now (was: NZ question)

Hi Dan

I cannot verify that finding - actually I have never seen any issue with
Date().

Also, your CurrentDate expression will not work in most of Europe and Asia
because of the US format expression.
If you just want to strip the time part of a date/time value from Now, you
can do it like this:

  CurrentDate = Int(Now)

If you prefer a more elaborate method, use DateSerial:

  datNow = Now
  CurrentDate = DateSerial(Year(datNow), Month(datNow), Day(datNow))

In general, the last method to manipulate or calculate numbers or date/times
should be to revert to string handling.

/gustav


>>> dwaters at usinternet.com 31-08-2009 21:18 >>>
Hi Chester,

I've found that Date() is not reliable from one PC to another.

Use this function instead:
Public Function CurrentDate() As Date
    
    CurrentDate = CDate(DatePart("m", Now()) & "/" & DatePart("d", Now()) &
"/" & DatePart("yyyy", Now()))
    
End Function

Then use:
End_Allocations_Calc: NZ([End_Manual_Allocation_Factors],CurrentDate)

Good Luck!
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 31 15:58:18 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:58:18 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <4a9c30ca.1701d00a.7be4.0205@mx.google.com>
References: <F16D5EFCD18649AEB9706D10F8BD412D@HAL9005>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AF8@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<A6348CBE70174287845F8753F2DE1C69@HAL9005>
	<4a9c30ca.1701d00a.7be4.0205@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4A9C396A.5070202@colbyconsulting.com>

 > Well, unless you are not reading my posts, Rocky, I told you this weeks ago.

LOL.  What, you think we pay attentions to your ravings and ramblings?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Well, unless you are not reading my posts, Rocky, I told you this weeks ago.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: 31 August 2009 21:15
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
> 
> Who knew?
> 
> Pretty much what I did approaching from another angle. I think.
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
> 
> Why don't you just turn UAC off?  Click Start, double click your user 'pic'
> (at the top right of the start menu).  There is an option to turn of UAC
> (click that, and uncheck use UAC).  You'll be prompted to reboot, and
> whalla, no more 'Do you want to do something' prompts.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will stop
> asking me every time I run it?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 16:01:53 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:01:53 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <4A9C396A.5070202@colbyconsulting.com>
References: <F16D5EFCD18649AEB9706D10F8BD412D@HAL9005>	<A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AF8@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>	<A6348CBE70174287845F8753F2DE1C69@HAL9005>	<4a9c30ca.1701d00a.7be4.0205@mx.google.com>
	<4A9C396A.5070202@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <4a9c3a8a.1701d00a.7e91.1c10@mx.google.com>

You just did..  LOL

Max


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Sent: 31 August 2009 21:58
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question

 > Well, unless you are not reading my posts, Rocky, I told you this weeks
ago.

LOL.  What, you think we pay attentions to your ravings and ramblings?

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Max Wanadoo wrote:
> Well, unless you are not reading my posts, Rocky, I told you this weeks
ago.
> 
> Max
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: 31 August 2009 21:15
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
> 
> Who knew?
> 
> Pretty much what I did approaching from another angle. I think.
> 
> Rocky
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:48 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
> 
> Why don't you just turn UAC off?  Click Start, double click your user
'pic'
> (at the top right of the start menu).  There is an option to turn of UAC
> (click that, and uncheck use UAC).  You'll be prompted to reboot, and
> whalla, no more 'Do you want to do something' prompts.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin
> Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:42 AM
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Vista Question
> 
> Dear List:
> 
> How do I tell Vista that a program is safe to run so that Vista will stop
> asking me every time I run it?
> 
> MTIA
> 
> Rocky
> 
> 
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 31 16:03:02 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:03:02 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] Date and Now (was: NZ question)
In-Reply-To: <4D5AF9881E334A26B83D5A32D987AF48@danwaters>
References: <sa9c4dce.054@cactus.dk>
	<4D5AF9881E334A26B83D5A32D987AF48@danwaters>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAEEB@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

You only have  a problem with Date if you have a references issue.  Then
it's like a miner's canary, it let's you know there's a problem by
dropping dead!

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 1:49 PM
To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date and Now (was: NZ question)

Thanks Gustav - I like the simple stuff!

It's been a few years since I've seen a problem with Date().  But I do
remember that other folks on this list had also seen occasional problems
with Date().

Thanks!
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:25 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Date and Now (was: NZ question)

Hi Dan

I cannot verify that finding - actually I have never seen any issue with
Date().




From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug 31 16:40:14 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:40:14 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
In-Reply-To: <4A9C3438.3080008@torchlake.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AFD@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

No problem.  I just sent you the fix off list.  Correcting this
particular error showed two more issues which I fixed too.  

Ironically, the issue wasn't technically a treeview issue.  However it
did relate to how I personally use treeviews (so my example used this
method).  The nodes of a treeview have to have a unique key. So if you
have ten thousand nodes, each node 'key' must have unique to the other
9,999 nodes.  With a table, you would use an Autonumber, however, with a
treeview branching out, I will use a 'natural' key of sorts, which makes
the node key more meaningful (and useful in later code).

For example, let's take names:

1  Bob
2  Dave
3  Tina
4  Drew

The numbers being the ID (autonumber field) from a table.  If we were to
make a set of 'root' or top level nodes with these names, I would use
the following as the key for that node(without the quotes): 'ID:1'
(which would be for the 'Bob' node, 'ID:3' for the Tina node, etc.

Now if I want to include children nodes to the top level nodes, let's
have a table of pets:

1  Dog(s)
2  Cat(s)
3  Fish
4  Birds
5  Other

This data would be recorded in a PersonID PetID table, like this:

1  1
1  3
4  2
4  3

So I would set the children nodes, to use the following Key (without the
quotes) 'ID:1:1' or 'ID:4:3'

So the data above would look like this in a treeview (and I will put the
node keys in parenthesis)

Bob (ID:1)
--Dog(s)(ID:1:1)
--Fish(ID:1:3:)
Dave (ID:2)
Tina (ID:3)
Drew (ID:4)
--Cat(s) (ID:4:2)
--Fish  (ID:4:3)

The advantage of using 'natural' keys like this in a node, is that you
can interact with a node in a few ways (clicking, dragging, etc.) and
when you do so, you will have a node object, WITH a Key.  So by making
the key relevant to what the node actually represents (while maintaining
it's uniqueness) we can actually infer at least two critical pieces of
information by Split()ing the Key property into an Array().  One, in
this case, we know that if the Ubound of the split is 2, it's a top
level node, and thus a Person, if it's 3, then it's a 'pet' node.  In
VB, where I typically use Treeviews, it's very easy to have dynamic
popup menus, so this ability of determining what type of node is being
'right clicked' allows me to popup different 'defined' menus.  The other
piece of information is the key value to retrieve data (or set data) in
the original tables.

I didn't put all this in the offlist email, but I figured I'd explain it
a bit in case anyone is playing around with Treeviews.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
Fields
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:36 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please

Thanks, I've sent it to you off-list via YouSendIt.  I really appreciate

your help.
T

Drew Wutka wrote:
> Sure, send it too me.  I'll look at it when I get the chance.
>
> Drew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:32 AM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
>
> Hi Drew,
>
> After running into a number of frustrations working on the TreeView, I

> set it aside for a few months.  Now, I've come back to working on it. 
>
> Thanks very much for the example database you made.  It works
perfectly,
>
> so I used your code as a basis to build a practice database. 
>
> I am running into a runtime error  
> "Run-time error '-2147217904(80040e10)':
> No value given for one or more required parameters."
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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Mon Aug 31 16:57:25 2009
From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:57:25 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
In-Reply-To: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AFD@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
References: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AFD@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>
Message-ID: <4A9C4745.9010308@colbyconsulting.com>

 >I will use a 'natural' key of sorts, which makes the node key more meaningful (and useful in later 
code).

OMG don't tell me you are going unbound at the same time!

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Drew Wutka wrote:
> No problem.  I just sent you the fix off list.  Correcting this
> particular error showed two more issues which I fixed too.  
> 
> Ironically, the issue wasn't technically a treeview issue.  However it
> did relate to how I personally use treeviews (so my example used this
> method).  The nodes of a treeview have to have a unique key. So if you
> have ten thousand nodes, each node 'key' must have unique to the other
> 9,999 nodes.  With a table, you would use an Autonumber, however, with a
> treeview branching out, I will use a 'natural' key of sorts, which makes
> the node key more meaningful (and useful in later code).
> 
> For example, let's take names:
> 
> 1  Bob
> 2  Dave
> 3  Tina
> 4  Drew
> 
> The numbers being the ID (autonumber field) from a table.  If we were to
> make a set of 'root' or top level nodes with these names, I would use
> the following as the key for that node(without the quotes): 'ID:1'
> (which would be for the 'Bob' node, 'ID:3' for the Tina node, etc.
> 
> Now if I want to include children nodes to the top level nodes, let's
> have a table of pets:
> 
> 1  Dog(s)
> 2  Cat(s)
> 3  Fish
> 4  Birds
> 5  Other
> 
> This data would be recorded in a PersonID PetID table, like this:
> 
> 1  1
> 1  3
> 4  2
> 4  3
> 
> So I would set the children nodes, to use the following Key (without the
> quotes) 'ID:1:1' or 'ID:4:3'
> 
> So the data above would look like this in a treeview (and I will put the
> node keys in parenthesis)
> 
> Bob (ID:1)
> --Dog(s)(ID:1:1)
> --Fish(ID:1:3:)
> Dave (ID:2)
> Tina (ID:3)
> Drew (ID:4)
> --Cat(s) (ID:4:2)
> --Fish  (ID:4:3)
> 
> The advantage of using 'natural' keys like this in a node, is that you
> can interact with a node in a few ways (clicking, dragging, etc.) and
> when you do so, you will have a node object, WITH a Key.  So by making
> the key relevant to what the node actually represents (while maintaining
> it's uniqueness) we can actually infer at least two critical pieces of
> information by Split()ing the Key property into an Array().  One, in
> this case, we know that if the Ubound of the split is 2, it's a top
> level node, and thus a Person, if it's 3, then it's a 'pet' node.  In
> VB, where I typically use Treeviews, it's very easy to have dynamic
> popup menus, so this ability of determining what type of node is being
> 'right clicked' allows me to popup different 'defined' menus.  The other
> piece of information is the key value to retrieve data (or set data) in
> the original tables.
> 
> I didn't put all this in the offlist email, but I figured I'd explain it
> a bit in case anyone is playing around with Treeviews.
> 
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
> Fields
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:36 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
> 
> Thanks, I've sent it to you off-list via YouSendIt.  I really appreciate
> 
> your help.
> T
> 
> Drew Wutka wrote:
>> Sure, send it too me.  I'll look at it when I get the chance.
>>
>> Drew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
>> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tina Norris
>> Fields
>> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:32 AM
>> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
>> Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
>>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> After running into a number of frustrations working on the TreeView, I
> 
>> set it aside for a few months.  Now, I've come back to working on it. 
>>
>> Thanks very much for the example database you made.  It works
> perfectly,
>> so I used your code as a basis to build a practice database. 
>>
>> I am running into a runtime error  
>> "Run-time error '-2147217904(80040e10)':
>> No value given for one or more required parameters."
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> to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business 
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> You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, 
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> or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited.
> 
> 


From DWUTKA at Marlow.com  Mon Aug 31 17:04:25 2009
From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:04:25 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please
In-Reply-To: <4A9C4745.9010308@colbyconsulting.com>
Message-ID: <A5615CBECEC42E4791D7A7C724E1E9B202447AFE@MIEXCH.Marlow.ii-vi.net>

LOL, yes, actually you can't 'bind' a treeview to a recordset.  So it is
an unbound control.

There is a difference between a node in a treeview and a record in a
table.  With a record in a table, all of the OTHER fields are readily
available if need be, where as a node doesn't contain a 'record', on the
displayed text, picture (if used) the Key and the Tag.  So making the
Key more meaningful makes them easier to work with.

Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:57 PM
To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
Subject: Re: [AccessD] Drew - Help on TreeView Please

 >I will use a 'natural' key of sorts, which makes the node key more
meaningful (and useful in later 
code).

OMG don't tell me you are going unbound at the same time!

;)

John W. Colby
www.ColbyConsulting.com


Drew Wutka wrote:
> No problem.  I just sent you the fix off list.  Correcting this
> particular error showed two more issues which I fixed too.  
> 
> Ironically, the issue wasn't technically a treeview issue.  However it
> did relate to how I personally use treeviews (so my example used this
> method).  The nodes of a treeview have to have a unique key. So if you
> have ten thousand nodes, each node 'key' must have unique to the other
> 9,999 nodes.  With a table, you would use an Autonumber, however, with
a
> treeview branching out, I will use a 'natural' key of sorts, which
makes
> the node key more meaningful (and useful in later code).
> 
> For example, let's take names:
> 
> 1  Bob
> 2  Dave
> 3  Tina
> 4  Drew
> 
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From kismert at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 17:09:30 2009
From: kismert at gmail.com (Kenneth Ismert)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:09:30 -0500
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the Wild-Eyed Speculation
	Begin!
Message-ID: <7c7841600908311509t3af3a037idb31d0ef9a6c50e0@mail.gmail.com>

More responses (sorry, I've been bad about editing my Subject lately)

Max Wanadoo

> Thanks for the very interesting update, Ken.
>

You're welcome, but of course keep in mind the title of this thread ;)


Shamil Salakhetdinov

> ... MS will make it [searchable Silverlight apps] happen using Bing I
> guess.  ...
>
jwcolby

> ...The only search engine that can see our Silverlite stuff is Bing...
>

So we have a minority market share search engine that can search a minority
market share RIA platform. Surely, Bing and Silverlight will become more
popular. Even so, it makes for a very interesting bet for potential early
adopters, when HTML/CSS/Javascript is ubiquitous.


Max Wanadoo

> Surly to goodness,  MS are entitle to make one of their own applications
> without having to make it open source...
>

Microsoft's code can remain closed. If Silverlight has an open search
specification, Google can surely compete. Closed spec = anti-competitive.

-Ken


From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 17:27:16 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:27:16 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL datetime to Access date conversion
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All:

I have a SQL 2005 table linked into an Access db.  I am using an update
query in Access to move some datetime fields from SQL Server to an Access
table.  It almost works - the dates are OK, but I am getting times which are
sometimes out by a couple of minutes: for instance the time part of one
field, 2:00:00 PM in SS, is changed to 1:58:07 PM in Access.

Does anyone have any suggestions about why this happens?

Thanks,
Doug Steele


From max.wanadoo at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 17:31:28 2009
From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:31:28 +0100
Subject: [AccessD] SQL datetime to Access date conversion
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4a9c4f8d.0702d00a.1824.4db1@mx.google.com>

Top of head Doug,

Have you tried changing them to text strings and then back again after
moving.

Max


-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: 31 August 2009 23:27
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL datetime to Access date conversion

Hello All:

I have a SQL 2005 table linked into an Access db.  I am using an update
query in Access to move some datetime fields from SQL Server to an Access
table.  It almost works - the dates are OK, but I am getting times which are
sometimes out by a couple of minutes: for instance the time part of one
field, 2:00:00 PM in SS, is changed to 1:58:07 PM in Access.

Does anyone have any suggestions about why this happens?

Thanks,
Doug Steele
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From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 17:38:44 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:38:44 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL datetime to Access date conversion
In-Reply-To: <4a9c4f8d.0702d00a.1824.4db1@mx.google.com>
References: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4a9c4f8d.0702d00a.1824.4db1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908311538q47810a79jd4bc87116e49b04e@mail.gmail.com>

That will be my workaround if I don't find a more elegant solution.

Thanks,
Doug

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Max Wanadoo <max.wanadoo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Top of head Doug,
>
> Have you tried changing them to text strings and then back again after
> moving.
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug 31 18:18:29 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:18:29 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL datetime to Access date conversion
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A9C5A45.7406.1E635DB8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

Are you using datetime or smalldatetime as your datatype in SQL Server.

smalldatetime is only accurate to one minute (time is stored as two bytes representing the 
number of minutes past midnight).  

-- 
Stuart
 

On 31 Aug 2009 at 15:27, Doug Steele wrote:

> Hello All:
> 
> I have a SQL 2005 table linked into an Access db.  I am using an update
> query in Access to move some datetime fields from SQL Server to an Access
> table.  It almost works - the dates are OK, but I am getting times which are
> sometimes out by a couple of minutes: for instance the time part of one
> field, 2:00:00 PM in SS, is changed to 1:58:07 PM in Access.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions about why this happens?
> 
> Thanks,
> Doug Steele
> -- 
> AccessD mailing list
> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com
> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd
> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com




From dbdoug at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 18:41:50 2009
From: dbdoug at gmail.com (Doug Steele)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:41:50 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL datetime to Access date conversion
In-Reply-To: <4A9C5A45.7406.1E635DB8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
References: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A9C5A45.7406.1E635DB8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>
Message-ID: <4dd71a0c0908311641n2b130ab3l43713b7319182b7b@mail.gmail.com>

No, regular datetime.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:

> Are you using datetime or smalldatetime as your datatype in SQL Server.
>
> smalldatetime is only accurate to one minute (time is stored as two bytes
> representing the
> number of minutes past midnight).
>
>


From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg  Mon Aug 31 19:16:41 2009
From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 10:16:41 +1000
Subject: [AccessD] SQL datetime to Access date conversion
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908311641n2b130ab3l43713b7319182b7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4A9C5A45.7406.1E635DB8@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>,
	<4dd71a0c0908311641n2b130ab3l43713b7319182b7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A9C67E9.26397.1E98A795@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>

How about posting your Update Query?

On 31 Aug 2009 at 16:41, Doug Steele wrote:

> No, regular datetime.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Stuart McLachlan <stuart at lexacorp.com.pg>wrote:
> 
> > Are you using datetime or smalldatetime as your datatype in SQL Server.
> >
> > smalldatetime is only accurate to one minute (time is stored as two bytes
> > representing the
> > number of minutes past midnight).
> >
> >
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From cfoust at infostatsystems.com  Mon Aug 31 19:50:40 2009
From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:50:40 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] SQL datetime to Access date conversion
In-Reply-To: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4dd71a0c0908311527s361c2695w6dbe3d4e93fb9ac7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F55048AF7E974F429BB24597D7355EEABFAF04@INFOSERVER04.infostat.local>

If I remember correctly, Access (I think) uses milliseconds in its time
while SS doesn't.  Or maybe it's the other way around.  Anyhow, I
remember we had to deal with the issue in .Net swapping between the two.
I would check further, but I'm on my way out the door.

Charlotte Foust 

-----Original Message-----
From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
[mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Doug Steele
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:27 PM
To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
Subject: [AccessD] SQL datetime to Access date conversion

Hello All:

I have a SQL 2005 table linked into an Access db.  I am using an update
query in Access to move some datetime fields from SQL Server to an
Access table.  It almost works - the dates are OK, but I am getting
times which are sometimes out by a couple of minutes: for instance the
time part of one field, 2:00:00 PM in SS, is changed to 1:58:07 PM in
Access.

Does anyone have any suggestions about why this happens?

Thanks,
Doug Steele
--



From kathryn at bassett.net  Mon Aug 31 20:40:12 2009
From: kathryn at bassett.net (Kathryn Bassett)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:40:12 -0700
Subject: [AccessD] OT: fire closest to me (DO NOT REPLY HERE)
Message-ID: <005201ca2aa5$26ce5fb0$746b1f10$@net>

If you want to comment, either write me directly or comment on the Off Topic
list. Many of you know I'm in the Los Angeles area and that we are having
lots of fires right now. The largest is called the Station Fire and is in
the hills above Pasadena, having started to the west and traveled to the
east of there. My husband and I have been working ham radio communications
at the base camp, and I've been taking pictures locally and at the base
camp. I thought you might like to see them. They are at:
http://bassettnet.smugmug.com/Fires  

Not all base camp photos have captions, as most are self explanatory, but
the rest have them.

The most recent prognosis for containment has been moved to Sep 15th.


--
Kathryn Rhinehart Bassett (Pasadena CA)
"Genealogy is my bag" "GH is my soap"
kathryn at bassett.net 
http://bassett.net ?? 






From marksimms at verizon.net  Mon Aug 31 20:54:55 2009
From: marksimms at verizon.net (Mark Simms)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:54:55 -0400
Subject: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let
	the	Wild-Eyed	SpeculationBegin!
In-Reply-To: <631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C80@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
References: <7c7841600908310813t552dd74are212163b33968d74@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4a9c0278.1c07d00a.7a42.1990@mx.google.com>
	<631CF83223105545BF43EFB52CB0829502AA0A4C80@EX2K7-VIRT-2.ads.qub.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <016101ca2aa7$343230d0$0501a8c0@MSIMMSWS>

Interesting discussion.
Since Access COULD become a RAD webdev tool, it would seem that MSFT should
at least permit a one-time conversion of existing forms and attendant VBA
code to ASP/Silverlight/Javascript/CSS.
>From that point, I could see a new HLL (high level language) in Access
taking over for more refined web development.
At least, that is what I would do if I were Clint Covington.
After all, there is quite a demand for webapps that can be cheaply built.
I think many of us have witnessed first hand that few dot-net projects make
it on-time and under-budget.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Martin Reid
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:18 PM
> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the
> Wild-Eyed SpeculationBegin!
>
> Nope. I would look at the direction Office in General is
> going in terms of the web to get a good idea of what's happening.
>
> The demo I seen was good but again it was not using a complex
> commercial application. I would say if your DB is heavy into
> VBA and uses a large amount of code you would still be
> looking at .NET or something else. However, if it was using
> some of the new features of Office 10 then it is fine.
>
> I doubt you will get a big .NET application for the web.
>
> They are not similar to DAP in that they will work in
> multiple browsers.
>
> Sorry but they have this under a very tight NDA
>
> Martin
>
>
> Martin WP Reid
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> ________________________________________
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max
> Wanadoo [max.wanadoo at gmail.com]
> Sent: 31 August 2009 18:02
> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the
> Wild-Eyed  Speculation     Begin!
>
> Thanks for the very interesting update, Ken.
>
> Max
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com
> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of
> Kenneth Ismert
> Sent: 31 August 2009 16:13
> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com
> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access Web Databases: Let the
> Wild-Eyed Speculation Begin!
>
> Some responses:
>
> Jennifer Gross:
>
> > It'll be a wizard - 3 clicks and you've got a website - Like Data
> > Access Pages right ;)
>
>
> I agree -- it will be similar to DAP, but with a Silverlight
> front-end. DAP for Silverlight (let's call it "Dapplelight")
> will offer a choice of 'canned' form types: edit record,
> datasheet etc., from which you can cobble together a pretty
> basic but functional Silverlight app. You'll get at least one
> very pretty skin, with promises for more. It will have
> built-in concurrency limitations, so as not to threaten the
> ASP.NET enterprise web app market. Oh, and you can probably
> use these Dapplelight forms directly in your Access app, as
> well, for the same look over the internet as on your desktop.
>
> Max Wanadoo:
>
> > Say it in VBA, they are not very used to that either.
> >
>
> Actually, this feature is a logical point for Microsoft to
> finally start the break with VBA in Access. I will bet that
> Dapplelight will not be extensible using VBA -- it will only
> support the "improved" macros out of the box. But,
> Dapplelight will run on top of .NET, and serious programmers
> will be able to extend it using a .NET toolkit. This make
> sense, because Silverlight runs on top of .NET, too.
>
> In fact, the new macro actions may also be extensible through
> .NET, which would then be pitched as the best way forward to
> provide functionality to the Access masses. They are adding
> If..Then..Else structures to macros; if they add Try...Catch
> and looping constructs, they will have a very simple,
> approachable language. This would give a fairly flexible
> app-building capability to the masses, without threatening
> the .NET programming priesthood.
>
> Further, this could well provide a whole new market of
> third-party Dapplelight forms, tools, and macro extensions,
> which could breath some fresh air into the Access app market.
>
> Mark Simms:
>
> > I just read somewhere that IE8 supports ONLY Silverlight
> and that may
> > continue into IE9.
> > Microsoft wants users to use THEIR browser for THEIR web apps.
> >
>
> I'd like to see your source -- it's always interesting to see
> what Microsoft has in mind for their browsers.
>
> -Ken
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