Stuart McLachlan
stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
Thu Aug 6 06:04:30 CDT 2009
This posting has been moved to the list "Max's usual ramblings" Please post any responses to /Dev/Null :-) On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:49, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Further to what Stuart said below, > > I can hereby state that I will have no objection if anybody re-posts my > ramblings to other locations. > > In fact, I would ask that they do so. I do not want to deliberately post to > wrong list, but, like many others, I just get caught up in the "debate" and > don't even look to see which list it is on. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 06 August 2009 11:32 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Moderator Message > > IMNSHO, there's nothing wrong with the the current list structure. Recent > problem has been > caused purely by several long threads which were clearly not Access related > and which > should have gone to the Tech or SQL Server lists originally > > I agree that we have a problem with not enough people using the Tech list. > I would > encourage everyone to subscribe and use it. > > Whenever someone posts to the wrong list, a moderator should post a copy to > the correct > list and also post a message saying that they have done so and request that > all further > response go to that list. This would also encourage more members to > subscribe to the > other lists. > > You don't even need to give someone moderator priveleges on the list to do > this. > If the BOD want to appoint additional help to do it - my hand is up. > > > -- > Stuart > > > > On 6 Aug 2009 at 11:01, Gustav Brock wrote: > > > Hi Andy > > > > I think your attitude wearing the moderator hat is very British - always > polite, precise, and with good timing - so at least you have full support > from me. > > > > Out of crisis grow solutions (as we these years can monitor on the largest > scale) and I think your suggestion for an AccessD-Not list is very good. > > > > However, I would love to see the dba-vb stuff moved to AccessD which could > be focussed on development stuff, mostly Access related but not exclusively. > As Drew mentions, quite a few of us have moved from Access to other > environments and others may be expected to follow. But I think most of us > who have moved have not moved completely, and for example Shamil has done a > great job constantly to maintain the link back to Access (Northwind). > > Now, much the same way you can argue that the SQL Server stuff belongs to > the AccessD list. Traffic is low at the SQL Server list and often relates > directly to Access, and I see no problem moving that to AccessD as well. > Sometimes we touch other engines and languages, like MySQL and PHP, and with > this setup there would be no doubt where to post such messages. It should be > no problem to include some keyword in the subject line as a guide. > > > > That would leave: > > > > AccessD: Access, other developer stuff, SQL Server and other database > related material > > AccessD-Not: Not the AccessD content, in effect the current dba-tech > list > > AccessD-OT: The current OT list, anything not relevant for the other > lists > > > > Finally, I think I'm in line with most of the list members, that the value > of this list is the massive and broad experience built from the sum of our > present and current activities ready to support and educate you, not the > count of messages per day. > > > > /gustav > > > > > > >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 06-08-2009 09:09 >>> > > The Moderator's Lament > > ---------------------- > > > > I kind of started this thread off by speaking to John B, and I'm glad I > did. > > I feel the list has become unmoderatable, at least by me. I have neither > the > > energy nor the inclination to intervene as often as it would need to keep > > the list on-topic. If the majority want the mod to show teeth, as said, > and > > keep everyone in-line then that'll be someone else. Then again I think > that > > sounds like another list anyway not ours. But we are definitely divided > into > > 2 camps on this. FYI on the few occasions it all gets too much and I do > > intervene I get more howls of protest than thanks. That's not meant to > sound > > like I'm asking for deep gratitude, I'm just reporting what happens. > > Personally, taking the mod hat off, I like the chat most of the time and > > have some sympathy with JC's stance that without the OT stuff there'd be > > nearly no stuff at all, but this thread is also showing that not everyone > > agrees. So we need a ruling on this from the BOD, and when we have that we > > need everyone to (more or less) abide by it. > > > > I am a little mystified as to why the AccessD-Tech list is hardly used. It > > seems ideal for the non-Access and for the chit-chat. I suspect it fell > into > > disuse because too few people subbed to it so that if you have a general > > (and sometime urgent) question the only way to get to a large audience is > to > > go to AccessD. So why don't we rename it AccessD-NonAccess (or maybe, in > > homage to Wayne's World, AccessD-Not), put everyone on it automatically > (the > > key word), and use it as the sister list for all of the stuff we're > debating > > here? If everyone was on it wouldn't that work? And those who want just > > Access can filter it into the bin. I know it's not an original suggestion > > but I can't see why it wouldn't suit everyone. Ok, AccessD might then have > > little traffic, but OTOH it might get more, because the current email-soup > > may in fact be discouraging newbies. And those of us who enjoy the family > > ethos of the list would get that from NonAccess. > > > > I'll end with a plea. Let's stay together, let's not change the overall > > atmosphere of the list(s) but let's be aware that some of the quieter > voices > > deserve to be heard too. > > > > Your ever/over tolerant moderator > > > > Andy > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com