From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 03:55:13 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 09:55:13 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Remote compact and repair using A3K In-Reply-To: <7650E043F5F9498DAF060C3D0589F28D@danwaters> References: <000301c98267$3b472350$b1d569f0$@com> <49823b4e.0ec5100a.2388.4bf6@mx.google.com> <7650E043F5F9498DAF060C3D0589F28D@danwaters> Message-ID: <4985717d.0ac0100a.4a03.ffff9c36@mx.google.com> Don't know if this will help, but here it is. Uses reference to FileSystem objects to get file sizes but not necessary. The actual line that does the compacting is:- DBEngine.CompactDatabase strCurrentMDB, strCompactedMDB, ";pwd=mypassword", , ";pwd=mypassword" Max Public Function pfCompactRepairBE() ' Original source By Andy Lacey ' updated by max sherman ' log the event and time Call pfLogEvent("pfCompactRepairBE-Start") Const strOldMDB As String = "z:\Data\MCM_BEndA3K-OLD.mdb" Const strCurrentMDB As String = "z:\Data\MCM_BEndA3K.mdb" Const strCompactedMDB As String = "z:\Data\MCM_BEndA3K-COMPACTED.mdb" Dim datStartDate As Date, gdatStarted As Date, gdatFinished As Date Dim strDay As String datStartDate = DateAdd("D", 0, Date) Dim strBody As String Dim lngOldSize As Long Dim lngNewSize As Long Dim lngChange As Long Dim lngOldSizeKB As Long Dim lngNewSizeKB As Long Dim lngChangeKB As Long Dim lngOldSizeMB As Long Dim lngNewSizeMB As Long Dim lngChangeMB As Long Dim dbs As DAO.Database, rst As DAO.Recordset Dim sql As String Dim fs As FileSystemObject Set fs = New FileSystemObject Set dbs = CurrentDb gdatStarted = Now() ' weekdays start on Sun = 1 and Sat = 7 strDay = pfGetDOW If Weekday(Date) = 1 Or Weekday(Date) = 0 Then ' skip weekends Call pfLogEvent("pfCompactRepairBE-Halted because it is a " & strDay) Else On Error GoTo Repair_Err ' kill the IP Address so that the BE does not find any FE's still holding the lock. Shell ("CMD /C IPCONFIG /RELEASE") ' get the current size on disk lngOldSize = FileLen(strCurrentMDB) On Error Resume Next Kill strCompactedMDB On Error GoTo Compact_Err DoEvents DBEngine.CompactDatabase strCurrentMDB, strCompactedMDB, ";pwd=mypassword", , ";pwd=mypassword" DoEvents ' get the new file size after compacting lngNewSize = FileLen(strCompactedMDB) lngChange = lngOldSize - lngNewSize lngOldSizeKB = lngOldSize / 1024 lngNewSizeKB = lngNewSize / 1024 lngChangeKB = lngChange / 1024 lngOldSizeMB = lngOldSizeKB / 1024 lngNewSizeMB = lngNewSizeKB / 1024 lngChangeMB = lngChangeKB / 1024 ' see how long it took gdatFinished = Now strBody = strDay & " - Repair and Compact of " & strCurrentMDB & " ran successfully " & vbCrLf & vbCrLf _ & "Old Size " & Format(lngOldSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _ & "New Size " & Format(lngNewSizeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf _ & "Reduction Of " & Format(lngChangeKB, "#,##0") & "kb" & vbCrLf & vbCrLf DoEvents ' copy files over fs.CopyFile strCurrentMDB, strOldMDB, True DoEvents fs.CopyFile strCompactedMDB, strCurrentMDB, True DoEvents ' renew the IP Address Shell ("CMD /C IPCONFIG /RENEW") Call pfLogEvent(strBody) Call pfLogEvent("pfCompactRepairBE-OK") End If exithere: On Error Resume Next dbs.Close: Set dbs = Nothing Exit Function Repair_Err: Call pfLogEvent("pfCompactRepairBE-STOPPED REPAIR Errors Found:- " & Err.number & vbCrLf & Err.Description) Resume exithere Compact_Err: Call pfLogEvent("pfCompactRepairBE-STOPPED COMPACT Errors Found:- " & Err.number & vbCrLf & Err.Description) Resume exithere End Function Private Function pfGetDOW() As String ' weekdays start on Sun = 1 and Sat = 7 pfGetDOW = Choose(Weekday(Date), "Sun", "Mon", "Tue", "Wed", "Thu", "Fri", "Sat") End Function From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 1 04:18:43 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:18:43 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Remote compact and repair using A3K In-Reply-To: <4985717d.0ac0100a.4a03.ffff9c36@mx.google.com> References: , <7650E043F5F9498DAF060C3D0589F28D@danwaters>, <4985717d.0ac0100a.4a03.ffff9c36@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498603A3.5978.F702FD7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 1 Feb 2009 at 9:55, Max Wanadoo wrote: Subject: Remote compact and repair using A3K [sic] Where do you keep your time machine? And is MS really still turning out versions of Access in the year 3000? From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 04:31:53 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:31:53 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Remote compact and repair using A3K In-Reply-To: <498603A3.5978.F702FD7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <7650E043F5F9498DAF060C3D0589F28D@danwaters>, <4985717d.0ac0100a.4a03.ffff9c36@mx.google.com> <498603A3.5978.F702FD7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <49857a14.096c100a.51e6.ffffd213@mx.google.com> 1. On my wrist. Where do you keep yours? 2. Wouldn't be surprised. This one is A2003. 3. Where are you based? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 01 February 2009 10:19 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote compact and repair using A3K On 1 Feb 2009 at 9:55, Max Wanadoo wrote: Subject: Remote compact and repair using A3K [sic] Where do you keep your time machine? And is MS really still turning out versions of Access in the year 3000? -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 1 04:53:23 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:53:23 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Remote compact and repair using A3K In-Reply-To: <49857a14.096c100a.51e6.ffffd213@mx.google.com> References: , <498603A3.5978.F702FD7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <49857a14.096c100a.51e6.ffffd213@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <49860BC3.23022.F8FEE46@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 1 Feb 2009 at 10:31, Max Wanadoo wrote: > 1. On my wrist. Where do you keep yours? Ouch! I walked into that one. > 2. Wouldn't be surprised. This one is A2003. > 3. Where are you based? Port Moresby. Cheers, Stuart > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 01 February 2009 10:19 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote compact and repair using A3K > > On 1 Feb 2009 at 9:55, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > Subject: Remote compact and repair using A3K [sic] > > > Where do you keep your time machine? > And is MS really still turning out versions of Access in the year 3000? > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 05:01:56 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:01:56 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Remote compact and repair using A3K In-Reply-To: <49860BC3.23022.F8FEE46@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , <498603A3.5978.F702FD7@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <49857a14.096c100a.51e6.ffffd213@mx.google.com> <49860BC3.23022.F8FEE46@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <49858120.0ac0100a.71fd.ffff9b7b@mx.google.com> You are joking. I was just reading about Port Moseby on the internet. What a coincidence is that or what? Do not take this the wrong way, but it has a fearsome reputation with the Rascals (!) etc and is rated the "worst" place to live on earth via wikepedia. Is that right, I would love to hear from somebody actually there. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 01 February 2009 10:53 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote compact and repair using A3K On 1 Feb 2009 at 10:31, Max Wanadoo wrote: > 1. On my wrist. Where do you keep yours? Ouch! I walked into that one. > 2. Wouldn't be surprised. This one is A2003. > 3. Where are you based? Port Moresby. Cheers, Stuart > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 01 February 2009 10:19 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Remote compact and repair using A3K > > On 1 Feb 2009 at 9:55, Max Wanadoo wrote: > > Subject: Remote compact and repair using A3K [sic] > > > Where do you keep your time machine? > And is MS really still turning out versions of Access in the year 3000? > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Sun Feb 1 10:18:45 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:18:45 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals In-Reply-To: <00c201c9841e$38615d00$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: Email is fine. I'm a Network Systems Administrator (with just a tad of db and programming skills....) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:36 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals Yes -- but also send a short job description -- to lend credibility -- gotta be an IT type professional. :) Also, if you want to include a contact, let me know where to include your email or a url. Thanks! Susan H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > Can this include tools we built? > > If so, here would be my list: > > VB6 --> Can do so much with this, and so quickly, awesome for quick > programs/utilities. > > Virtual PC / Virtual Server --> Totally free platform for all sorts of > things: Test platforms ready in a minute or two. Trash platforms (for > surfing the dark alleys of the web) ready in a minute or two. Ability > to run every MS operating system from one platform, and also any > combination of installed software on each. > > Remote Administrator: From Famatech.com --> Great tool for > administrating your network. > > ISFE (Information Services Front End) --> Custom helpdesk application. > Has a company phone list, from which I can search/see all sorts of > information about employees, and their computers (what computers they > are currently logged into, what computers they have logged into (and > very soon what computers they 'own' or are in charge of)), and from that > same interface, I can launch Remote Administrator, Computer Manager, and > Windows Explorer for their local drives. > > MoveWindows --> Custom VB .exe, that captures all of the open windows > on your machine. Allows you to move, resize and change the visibility > of any window on your machine. (VERY handy for multiple monitor issues > when an app gets 'lost'). > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:32 AM > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > > Okay, over the last few weeks I've been putting together a list of > "can't > live without" utilities and tools for an article to be published on > TechRepublic.com. > > Now, I don't want to make a political statement, but so far, there's > only > one woman on that list! I'd like a few more, and no, I won't say > anything > about the gender mix in the content -- it's not relevant, but I'd like a > > better mix. > > If you'd like to contribute, I just need a list of the tools/utilities > that > you use all the time and would feel lost without. I'll also need a short > > description of your current contribution to the IT industry (what you > do) > and if you like, I can include contact information -- this is a great > way > for those of you working for yourself to network a bit. I never promise > results when I do this, but it can't hurt. > > I'm staring at a deadline, so um... if you'd be quick about it too????? > :) > > Oh, and any fellow who'd still like to contribute, you certainly may -- > > there's no limit on the number. > > Please contact me privately at ssharkins at gmail.com. I think this article > has > the potential to generate a lot of interest and discussion and should > prove > helpful for other developers/administrators/ITwhatevers. > > Susan H. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI > Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the > material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. 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You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Sun Feb 1 10:20:20 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:20:20 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed In-Reply-To: <49852c34.0722300a.4dcf.0d46@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Oh, it was WAY complicated. Really fun to make. The part that runs the reports was great for what we needed at my job, but to take it to the next level, of actually running an entire .mdb 'remotely' through the web wouldn't have been worth the effort, not when there are things like Terminal Server /Remote Desktop out there.... It was a lot of fun to make though. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Thanks Drew. Bit too complicated for me, but sounds good. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 31 January 2009 00:39 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Actually, I built something that was going to lead to that. Started as a web report runner. It would give you a list of reports in a database (did this back in the 97 days), when you selected a report, it would display any prompts that Access sees (logon prompts, query expression prompts, etc) to the user in their browser, and then when the report ran, it would let the user open it as HTML or download it in any of the formats Access allowed. Worked great. Tried to do the same with forms, and ran into the issue that Access forms are not 'normal' windows. There is only one active control, none of the inactive controls are actual windows (like most controls on normal windows are). Had other projects come up, so I never dug back into it. For S & G's , I put two exe's in http://www.marlow.com/CriteriaGrabber.zip (That link may only be active for a while, we're moving our website soon). One is CriteriaGrabber.exe. Run that program. Open an Access 97 database. Run WindowsInfo.exe, move the mouse over the title bar of the Access Window (the Class should show OMain). Take the hWnd of the Access Window and replace Text1 (in the CriteriaGrabber), then click start timer. Now, whenever a 'popup' window (not a form) is displayed in access, the Criteria Grabber will display it's own 'mimicked' version of that dialogue window, and even 'remotes' it. (ie, if it's a prompt for criteria, you can put the criteria into the 'copy' and click the appropriate button, and it will push that data (and whatever button you pushed) to the actual dialog window. That .exe is just a test I was running, the actual system does something very similar, but sends an HTML version of the dialog windows through to the users. Access 2003 has changed the class names of the dialog windows, so my .exe won't mimic labels or text boxes..... go figure.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:39 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Thanks John - agreed. It would have been nice to "pop in" an MDB at one end and get "pop out" a Web enabled version at the other. A la PDF-Word converters. Sort of "shell" that the mdb runs in within the browser. Pipe dreams I suppose. Thanks Max On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:09 AM, wrote: > Hi Max > > No never used IronSpeed. It looked like hard work. And judging by what > others are saying on this board I took the right decision. > > john c > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Max Wanadoo > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:38 > Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed > > > > John Cliviger: > > John, do you (or anybody) have any experience of deploying MS Access DBs to > IronSpeed? > > http://www.ironspeed.com/products/DownloadNow.aspx?c=CP02 > > Thanks > Max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! 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You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 10:31:13 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:31:13 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals In-Reply-To: References: <00c201c9841e$38615d00$2f8601c7@SusanOne> Message-ID: <4985ce4d.0856100a.0d4e.606f@mx.google.com> >>with just a tad of db and programming skills....) Yeah, right! And I can't drink beer! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 01 February 2009 16:19 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals Email is fine. I'm a Network Systems Administrator (with just a tad of db and programming skills....) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:36 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals Yes -- but also send a short job description -- to lend credibility -- gotta be an IT type professional. :) Also, if you want to include a contact, let me know where to include your email or a url. Thanks! Susan H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > Can this include tools we built? > > If so, here would be my list: > > VB6 --> Can do so much with this, and so quickly, awesome for quick > programs/utilities. > > Virtual PC / Virtual Server --> Totally free platform for all sorts of > things: Test platforms ready in a minute or two. Trash platforms (for > surfing the dark alleys of the web) ready in a minute or two. Ability > to run every MS operating system from one platform, and also any > combination of installed software on each. > > Remote Administrator: From Famatech.com --> Great tool for > administrating your network. > > ISFE (Information Services Front End) --> Custom helpdesk application. > Has a company phone list, from which I can search/see all sorts of > information about employees, and their computers (what computers they > are currently logged into, what computers they have logged into (and > very soon what computers they 'own' or are in charge of)), and from that > same interface, I can launch Remote Administrator, Computer Manager, and > Windows Explorer for their local drives. > > MoveWindows --> Custom VB .exe, that captures all of the open windows > on your machine. Allows you to move, resize and change the visibility > of any window on your machine. (VERY handy for multiple monitor issues > when an app gets 'lost'). > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:32 AM > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > > Okay, over the last few weeks I've been putting together a list of > "can't > live without" utilities and tools for an article to be published on > TechRepublic.com. > > Now, I don't want to make a political statement, but so far, there's > only > one woman on that list! I'd like a few more, and no, I won't say > anything > about the gender mix in the content -- it's not relevant, but I'd like a > > better mix. > > If you'd like to contribute, I just need a list of the tools/utilities > that > you use all the time and would feel lost without. I'll also need a short > > description of your current contribution to the IT industry (what you > do) > and if you like, I can include contact information -- this is a great > way > for those of you working for yourself to network a bit. I never promise > results when I do this, but it can't hurt. > > I'm staring at a deadline, so um... if you'd be quick about it too????? > :) > > Oh, and any fellow who'd still like to contribute, you certainly may -- > > there's no limit on the number. > > Please contact me privately at ssharkins at gmail.com. I think this article > has > the potential to generate a lot of interest and discussion and should > prove > helpful for other developers/administrators/ITwhatevers. > > Susan H. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI > Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the > material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are > notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon > this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient > is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 10:31:33 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:31:33 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed In-Reply-To: References: <49852c34.0722300a.4dcf.0d46@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com> But, if you could "envelope" an mdb within a web browser you could make a TON of money (ie, so much that you have to weight it) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 01 February 2009 16:20 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Oh, it was WAY complicated. Really fun to make. The part that runs the reports was great for what we needed at my job, but to take it to the next level, of actually running an entire .mdb 'remotely' through the web wouldn't have been worth the effort, not when there are things like Terminal Server /Remote Desktop out there.... It was a lot of fun to make though. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Thanks Drew. Bit too complicated for me, but sounds good. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 31 January 2009 00:39 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Actually, I built something that was going to lead to that. Started as a web report runner. It would give you a list of reports in a database (did this back in the 97 days), when you selected a report, it would display any prompts that Access sees (logon prompts, query expression prompts, etc) to the user in their browser, and then when the report ran, it would let the user open it as HTML or download it in any of the formats Access allowed. Worked great. Tried to do the same with forms, and ran into the issue that Access forms are not 'normal' windows. There is only one active control, none of the inactive controls are actual windows (like most controls on normal windows are). Had other projects come up, so I never dug back into it. For S & G's , I put two exe's in http://www.marlow.com/CriteriaGrabber.zip (That link may only be active for a while, we're moving our website soon). One is CriteriaGrabber.exe. Run that program. Open an Access 97 database. Run WindowsInfo.exe, move the mouse over the title bar of the Access Window (the Class should show OMain). Take the hWnd of the Access Window and replace Text1 (in the CriteriaGrabber), then click start timer. Now, whenever a 'popup' window (not a form) is displayed in access, the Criteria Grabber will display it's own 'mimicked' version of that dialogue window, and even 'remotes' it. (ie, if it's a prompt for criteria, you can put the criteria into the 'copy' and click the appropriate button, and it will push that data (and whatever button you pushed) to the actual dialog window. That .exe is just a test I was running, the actual system does something very similar, but sends an HTML version of the dialog windows through to the users. Access 2003 has changed the class names of the dialog windows, so my .exe won't mimic labels or text boxes..... go figure.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:39 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Thanks John - agreed. It would have been nice to "pop in" an MDB at one end and get "pop out" a Web enabled version at the other. A la PDF-Word converters. Sort of "shell" that the mdb runs in within the browser. Pipe dreams I suppose. Thanks Max On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:09 AM, wrote: > Hi Max > > No never used IronSpeed. It looked like hard work. And judging by what > others are saying on this board I took the right decision. > > john c > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Max Wanadoo > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:38 > Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed > > > > John Cliviger: > > John, do you (or anybody) have any experience of deploying MS Access DBs to > IronSpeed? > > http://www.ironspeed.com/products/DownloadNow.aspx?c=CP02 > > Thanks > Max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! 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You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Sun Feb 1 10:47:07 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:47:07 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed In-Reply-To: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Already exists, it's called Terminal Services..... You can hit it with a web browser, and it does more then just Access! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:32 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed But, if you could "envelope" an mdb within a web browser you could make a TON of money (ie, so much that you have to weight it) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 01 February 2009 16:20 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Oh, it was WAY complicated. Really fun to make. The part that runs the reports was great for what we needed at my job, but to take it to the next level, of actually running an entire .mdb 'remotely' through the web wouldn't have been worth the effort, not when there are things like Terminal Server /Remote Desktop out there.... It was a lot of fun to make though. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Thanks Drew. Bit too complicated for me, but sounds good. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 31 January 2009 00:39 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Actually, I built something that was going to lead to that. Started as a web report runner. It would give you a list of reports in a database (did this back in the 97 days), when you selected a report, it would display any prompts that Access sees (logon prompts, query expression prompts, etc) to the user in their browser, and then when the report ran, it would let the user open it as HTML or download it in any of the formats Access allowed. Worked great. Tried to do the same with forms, and ran into the issue that Access forms are not 'normal' windows. There is only one active control, none of the inactive controls are actual windows (like most controls on normal windows are). Had other projects come up, so I never dug back into it. For S & G's , I put two exe's in http://www.marlow.com/CriteriaGrabber.zip (That link may only be active for a while, we're moving our website soon). One is CriteriaGrabber.exe. Run that program. Open an Access 97 database. Run WindowsInfo.exe, move the mouse over the title bar of the Access Window (the Class should show OMain). Take the hWnd of the Access Window and replace Text1 (in the CriteriaGrabber), then click start timer. Now, whenever a 'popup' window (not a form) is displayed in access, the Criteria Grabber will display it's own 'mimicked' version of that dialogue window, and even 'remotes' it. (ie, if it's a prompt for criteria, you can put the criteria into the 'copy' and click the appropriate button, and it will push that data (and whatever button you pushed) to the actual dialog window. That .exe is just a test I was running, the actual system does something very similar, but sends an HTML version of the dialog windows through to the users. Access 2003 has changed the class names of the dialog windows, so my .exe won't mimic labels or text boxes..... go figure.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:39 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Thanks John - agreed. It would have been nice to "pop in" an MDB at one end and get "pop out" a Web enabled version at the other. A la PDF-Word converters. Sort of "shell" that the mdb runs in within the browser. Pipe dreams I suppose. Thanks Max On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:09 AM, wrote: > Hi Max > > No never used IronSpeed. It looked like hard work. And judging by what > others are saying on this board I took the right decision. > > john c > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Max Wanadoo > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:38 > Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed > > > > John Cliviger: > > John, do you (or anybody) have any experience of deploying MS Access DBs to > IronSpeed? > > http://www.ironspeed.com/products/DownloadNow.aspx?c=CP02 > > Thanks > Max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! 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You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 11:00:01 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:00:01 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed In-Reply-To: References: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4985d50d.02ab100a.7f1c.5caf@mx.google.com> Oh, sorry Drew. But you were there first, I guess. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 01 February 2009 16:47 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Already exists, it's called Terminal Services..... You can hit it with a web browser, and it does more then just Access! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:32 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed But, if you could "envelope" an mdb within a web browser you could make a TON of money (ie, so much that you have to weight it) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 01 February 2009 16:20 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Oh, it was WAY complicated. Really fun to make. The part that runs the reports was great for what we needed at my job, but to take it to the next level, of actually running an entire .mdb 'remotely' through the web wouldn't have been worth the effort, not when there are things like Terminal Server /Remote Desktop out there.... It was a lot of fun to make though. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:00 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Thanks Drew. Bit too complicated for me, but sounds good. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 31 January 2009 00:39 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Actually, I built something that was going to lead to that. Started as a web report runner. It would give you a list of reports in a database (did this back in the 97 days), when you selected a report, it would display any prompts that Access sees (logon prompts, query expression prompts, etc) to the user in their browser, and then when the report ran, it would let the user open it as HTML or download it in any of the formats Access allowed. Worked great. Tried to do the same with forms, and ran into the issue that Access forms are not 'normal' windows. There is only one active control, none of the inactive controls are actual windows (like most controls on normal windows are). Had other projects come up, so I never dug back into it. For S & G's , I put two exe's in http://www.marlow.com/CriteriaGrabber.zip (That link may only be active for a while, we're moving our website soon). One is CriteriaGrabber.exe. Run that program. Open an Access 97 database. Run WindowsInfo.exe, move the mouse over the title bar of the Access Window (the Class should show OMain). Take the hWnd of the Access Window and replace Text1 (in the CriteriaGrabber), then click start timer. Now, whenever a 'popup' window (not a form) is displayed in access, the Criteria Grabber will display it's own 'mimicked' version of that dialogue window, and even 'remotes' it. (ie, if it's a prompt for criteria, you can put the criteria into the 'copy' and click the appropriate button, and it will push that data (and whatever button you pushed) to the actual dialog window. That .exe is just a test I was running, the actual system does something very similar, but sends an HTML version of the dialog windows through to the users. Access 2003 has changed the class names of the dialog windows, so my .exe won't mimic labels or text boxes..... go figure.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:39 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] IronSpeed Thanks John - agreed. It would have been nice to "pop in" an MDB at one end and get "pop out" a Web enabled version at the other. A la PDF-Word converters. Sort of "shell" that the mdb runs in within the browser. Pipe dreams I suppose. Thanks Max On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:09 AM, wrote: > Hi Max > > No never used IronSpeed. It looked like hard work. And judging by what > others are saying on this board I took the right decision. > > john c > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Max Wanadoo > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:38 > Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed > > > > John Cliviger: > > John, do you (or anybody) have any experience of deploying MS Access DBs to > IronSpeed? > > http://www.ironspeed.com/products/DownloadNow.aspx?c=CP02 > > Thanks > Max > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. > Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 1 14:21:52 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:21:52 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 DoCmd In-Reply-To: <836FCDFC0AFC494F9D198103F88A2AD1@HAL9005> References: <000301c98267$3b472350$b1d569f0$@com> <49823b4e.0ec5100a.2388.4bf6@mx.google.com> <836FCDFC0AFC494F9D198103F88A2AD1@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4986045f.0c92100a.3a2c.ffffe56d@mx.google.com> Ha! But in whose favour? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 30 January 2009 00:42 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 DoCmd True. For intellectually we need a completely different time scale... (running & ducking) Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:27 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Access 2007 DoCmd Compacting easy. Will post some stuff tomorrow if still needed (5-7 hrs behind USA - not intellectually you understand) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Ewald Sent: 29 January 2009 23:14 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Access 2007 DoCmd Does anyone know a good source of information on converting Access XP DoCmd and other commands to 2007 VBA? For example, how do you get Access to compact the database via VBA? Thanks. Tom Ewald Detroit Area -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Sun Feb 1 18:01:16 2009 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:01:16 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] Access to SQL Server tool Message-ID: <00bc01c984c9$5fadac00$131b910a@denzilnote> Hi team I've been on leave for the last few weeks and have a zillion posts to read - but I can see in the group heading lots of stuff for Access an SQL Server Before I went on leave I created a tool I thought might be useful - created with lots of help from this list It basically allows you to pass a username, password, db Name and Server name as well as an SQL statement or the name of a Stored Procedure to an SQL Server dB using passthrough queries built on the fly The results are returned in a grid (Subform where grid is default display) that is built on the fly. It allows for the resizing of the grid just by resizing the form. Very neat Anyone want a copy sent me an off list request to Darren at active billing dot com dot au See ya'll Darren Active Billing p, 1300 301 731 f. 02 9826 0507 www.activebilling.com.au This email and attachments ("Email") are confidential and may contain privileged material. Delivery to a person other than the named addressee does not waive confidentiality or privilege. This Email is intended solely for the named addressee. If you have received this Email in error you must not rely on the contents of this Email. This Email is also subject to copyright. Unauthorised use, reproduction or distribution of this Email is prohibited. From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 2 09:47:33 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:47:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation References: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com> <4985d50d.02ab100a.7f1c.5caf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> Group ...this works fine lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, tblOrg.City, tblOrg.StateOrProvince, tblOrg.Country, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) And ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...but when I try to concatenate 3 of the fields, I get a syntax error lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, [tblOrg]![City] & ", " & [tblOrg]![StateOrProvince] & " " & [tblOrg]![Country]) AS CSC, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) AND ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...any help appreciated. William From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 09:55:50 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:55:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation References: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com><4985d50d.02ab100a.7f1c.5caf@mx.google.com> <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <1186606EDDA94D0AB1D3240F957DEF49@SusanOne> Here's my best advice, drop in a Debug.Print statement so VBA will print the evaluated statement in the Immediate window. Then, cut and paste the evaluated statement from the Immediate window into a SQL window -- for some reason, the SQL window gives more specific and helpful error messages. Susan H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Hindman" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:47 AM Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation > Group > > ...this works fine > > lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, > tblOrg.Address, tblOrg.City, tblOrg.StateOrProvince, tblOrg.Country, > tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like > [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) And ((tblOrg.Inactive) > = > False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" > > ...but when I try to concatenate 3 of the fields, I get a syntax error > > lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, > tblOrg.Address, [tblOrg]![City] & ", " & [tblOrg]![StateOrProvince] & " " > & > [tblOrg]![Country]) AS CSC, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg > WHERE > (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) > AND ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" > > ...any help appreciated. > > William > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Feb 2 10:01:04 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:01:04 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation In-Reply-To: <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> References: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com><4985d50d.02ab100a.7f1c.5caf@mx.google.com> <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: Ummmmm, do you have the number of columns set with the difference in column count? Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation Group ...this works fine lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, tblOrg.City, tblOrg.StateOrProvince, tblOrg.Country, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) And ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...but when I try to concatenate 3 of the fields, I get a syntax error lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, [tblOrg]![City] & ", " & [tblOrg]![StateOrProvince] & " " & [tblOrg]![Country]) AS CSC, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) AND ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...any help appreciated. William -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From markamatte at hotmail.com Mon Feb 2 10:01:10 2009 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:01:10 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation In-Reply-To: <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> References: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com> <4985d50d.02ab100a.7f1c.5caf@mx.google.com> <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: Long shot...but shouldn't those be single quotes? Mark ---------------------------------------- > From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:47:33 -0500 > Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation > > Group > > ...this works fine > > lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, > tblOrg.Address, tblOrg.City, tblOrg.StateOrProvince, tblOrg.Country, > tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like > [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) And ((tblOrg.Inactive) = > False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" > > ...but when I try to concatenate 3 of the fields, I get a syntax error > > lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, > tblOrg.Address, [tblOrg]![City] & ", " & [tblOrg]![StateOrProvince] & " " & > [tblOrg]![Country]) AS CSC, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE > (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) > AND ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" > > ...any help appreciated. > > William > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_WL_HM_versatility_121208 From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 10:03:55 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:03:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation In-Reply-To: <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> References: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com> <4985d50d.02ab100a.7f1c.5caf@mx.google.com> <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <29f585dd0902020803k1fa2448el8288dae87e091700@mail.gmail.com> The syntax looks sound. Is it possible that one of the columns contains a null? If so, that would break your expression. You'd have to Nz() them before the concatenation. You might also try pasting your expression into a new query in the designer and check the results, then switch to SQL view and see what Access wrote. An alternative is to create a UDF called CSC that accepts three parameters. You can then test that in isolation and when it works, just call it from the original query. Arthur From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 10:25:40 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:25:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals References: Message-ID: <7444CA89C4B54A7A8161200597A1F28C@SusanOne> http://www.radmin.com/ > Remote Administrator: From Famatech.com --> Great tool for > administrating your network. =====Your link takes me to radmin -- want to find the exact product for me? Looks like there's been a buy out and it's been renamed. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 10:31:30 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:31:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals References: Message-ID: <4E71E58B6617489BAB5A6E8E722E43BB@SusanOne> Can't find this one either -- a link please? Susan H. > ISFE (Information Services Front End) --> Custom helpdesk application. > Has a company phone list, from which I can search/see all sorts of > information about employees, and their computers (what computers they > are currently logged into, what computers they have logged into (and > very soon what computers they 'own' or are in charge of)), and from that > same interface, I can launch Remote Administrator, Computer Manager, and > Windows Explorer for their local drives. From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 10:32:23 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:32:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals References: Message-ID: Need a link to this one too. > MoveWindows --> Custom VB .exe, that captures all of the open windows > on your machine. Allows you to move, resize and change the visibility > of any window on your machine. (VERY handy for multiple monitor issues > when an app gets 'lost'). From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 2 10:31:29 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:31:29 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation In-Reply-To: <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> References: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com><4985d50d.02ab100a.7f1c.5caf@mx.google.com> <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: William, If tblOrg is your table and StateOrProvince is the field, why are you using the bang (!) to delimit them in the second statement, and what are you trying to do? If you want to concatenate the fields within the SQL statement, don't use double quote around the commas, use single quotes. Otherwise, you're trying to set a rowsource to "Something", "Something", "Something else". Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:48 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation Group ...this works fine lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, tblOrg.City, tblOrg.StateOrProvince, tblOrg.Country, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) And ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...but when I try to concatenate 3 of the fields, I get a syntax error lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, [tblOrg]![City] & ", " & [tblOrg]![StateOrProvince] & " " & [tblOrg]![Country]) AS CSC, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) AND ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...any help appreciated. William -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 10:34:34 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:34:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals References: Message-ID: <8D1687A0F8814D67906AAE47A9A4C269@SusanOne> What industry -- I know manufacturing -- but for the space industry? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > Email is fine. > > I'm a Network Systems Administrator (with just a tad of db and > programming skills....) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:36 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > > Yes -- but also send a short job description -- to lend credibility -- > gotta > be an IT type professional. :) Also, if you want to include a contact, > let > me know where to include your email or a url. > > Thanks! > Susan H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > > >> Can this include tools we built? >> >> If so, here would be my list: >> >> VB6 --> Can do so much with this, and so quickly, awesome for quick >> programs/utilities. >> >> Virtual PC / Virtual Server --> Totally free platform for all sorts > of >> things: Test platforms ready in a minute or two. Trash platforms > (for >> surfing the dark alleys of the web) ready in a minute or two. Ability >> to run every MS operating system from one platform, and also any >> combination of installed software on each. >> >> Remote Administrator: From Famatech.com --> Great tool for >> administrating your network. >> >> ISFE (Information Services Front End) --> Custom helpdesk > application. >> Has a company phone list, from which I can search/see all sorts of >> information about employees, and their computers (what computers they >> are currently logged into, what computers they have logged into (and >> very soon what computers they 'own' or are in charge of)), and from > that >> same interface, I can launch Remote Administrator, Computer Manager, > and >> Windows Explorer for their local drives. >> >> MoveWindows --> Custom VB .exe, that captures all of the open > windows >> on your machine. Allows you to move, resize and change the visibility >> of any window on your machine. (VERY handy for multiple monitor issues >> when an app gets 'lost'). >> >> Drew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:32 AM >> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals >> >> Okay, over the last few weeks I've been putting together a list of >> "can't >> live without" utilities and tools for an article to be published on >> TechRepublic.com. >> >> Now, I don't want to make a political statement, but so far, there's >> only >> one woman on that list! I'd like a few more, and no, I won't say >> anything >> about the gender mix in the content -- it's not relevant, but I'd like > a >> >> better mix. >> >> If you'd like to contribute, I just need a list of the tools/utilities >> that >> you use all the time and would feel lost without. I'll also need a > short >> >> description of your current contribution to the IT industry (what you >> do) >> and if you like, I can include contact information -- this is a great >> way >> for those of you working for yourself to network a bit. I never > promise >> results when I do this, but it can't hurt. >> >> I'm staring at a deadline, so um... if you'd be quick about it > too????? >> :) >> >> Oh, and any fellow who'd still like to contribute, you certainly may > -- >> >> there's no limit on the number. >> >> Please contact me privately at ssharkins at gmail.com. I think this > article >> has >> the potential to generate a lot of interest and discussion and should >> prove >> helpful for other developers/administrators/ITwhatevers. >> >> Susan H. >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for > the >> person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI >> Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not > the >> intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy > the >> material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are >> notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, >> dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance > upon >> this information by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient >> is prohibited. >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI > Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the > material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are > notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon > this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient > is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 2 10:35:33 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:35:33 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Onenote In-Reply-To: <4983A690.4050309@colbyconsulting.com> References: <49827DF8.6070006@colbyconsulting.com> <074401c982e8$cd6bd6f0$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <4983198A.5080608@colbyconsulting.com> <080801c982f0$b17cfc50$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <4983891B.3040608@colbyconsulting.com> <02fb01c98331$bfb20180$2f8601c7@SusanOne> <49838F22.7060501@colbyconsulting.com> <29f585dd0901301637s1f98f6d7oeba9ce79b4014cc7@mail.gmail.com> <4983A690.4050309@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Yep, that's the difference. OneNote 2007 mobile is the equivalent of 2003 and doesn't have notebooks, but the PC product does and I highly recommend an upgrade. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 5:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Onenote Are you guys using 2007 by any chance? I am using 2003 and there is nothing about Notebooks. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: > I think that you are on the right track, Dian, and I also think that I > went off on the wrong track, possibly due to parallel thinking with > JWC's intuitive approach. Once that didn't work, I ventured into new > turf and instead created a new notebook for each project I was working > on. This proved much more profitable. I could simply open a "project > notebook" and presto, everything I recorded was there, and > conveniently located under tabls. > > Then I could switch projects and everything worked nicely. It took me > a while to get the hang of this tool. But at the end of the day, I > quite like it. I especially like the ability to paste in things like Excel documents. > > A. > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Dian wrote: > >> I'm generally not much help, but I do use OneNote a lot. I have >> dozens set up. All you have to do for an individual project is open >> OneNote, save that notebook with whatever info you want to include >> under whatever name you want to use (I save mine to a folder on my >> desktop with a name that corresponds to whatever project I'm working >> on)...when I need it again...I just click to open it...hope that >> helps... >> >> >> -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Mon Feb 2 10:54:50 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:54:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation References: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com><4985d50d.02ab100a.7f1c.5caf@mx.google.com><59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <50423C0A94E3475AB434A96C24CE3F0D@jislaptopdev> ...thanks to all who responded so quickly ...Mark caught the extra parentheses but it was just a leftover from me experimenting, not the real problem ...Charlotte took me to the woodshed and administered a sound beating ...I had built the concat in the query designer and just copied the SQL over from there ...it gave me the bangs and the double quotes ...as Charlotte admonished, replacing them was the real answer ...lesson learned ...I'm sure the welts will heal :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Charlotte Foust" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:31 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] SQL concatenation > William, > > If tblOrg is your table and StateOrProvince is the field, why are you > using the bang (!) to delimit them in the second statement, and what are > you trying to do? If you want to concatenate the fields within the SQL > statement, don't use double quote around the commas, use single quotes. > Otherwise, you're trying to set a rowsource to "Something", "Something", > "Something else". > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William > Hindman > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:48 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation > > Group > > ...this works fine > > lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, > tblOrg.Address, tblOrg.City, tblOrg.StateOrProvince, tblOrg.Country, > tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like > [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) And > ((tblOrg.Inactive) = > False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" > > ...but when I try to concatenate 3 of the fields, I get a syntax error > > lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, > tblOrg.Address, [tblOrg]![City] & ", " & [tblOrg]![StateOrProvince] & " > " & > [tblOrg]![Country]) AS CSC, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg > WHERE > (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = > True) AND ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" > > ...any help appreciated. > > William > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Feb 2 10:56:34 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:56:34 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals In-Reply-To: <7444CA89C4B54A7A8161200597A1F28C@SusanOne> References: <7444CA89C4B54A7A8161200597A1F28C@SusanOne> Message-ID: www.radmin.com is Remote Administrator. On the home page: "Radmin (Remote Administrator) is the world famous, award winning secure remote control software and remote access software which enables you to work on a remote computer in real time as if you were using its own keyboard and mouse." Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:26 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals http://www.radmin.com/ > Remote Administrator: From Famatech.com --> Great tool for > administrating your network. =====Your link takes me to radmin -- want to find the exact product for me? Looks like there's been a buy out and it's been renamed. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Feb 2 10:57:20 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:57:20 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals In-Reply-To: <4E71E58B6617489BAB5A6E8E722E43BB@SusanOne> References: <4E71E58B6617489BAB5A6E8E722E43BB@SusanOne> Message-ID: I built it.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals Can't find this one either -- a link please? Susan H. > ISFE (Information Services Front End) --> Custom helpdesk application. > Has a company phone list, from which I can search/see all sorts of > information about employees, and their computers (what computers they > are currently logged into, what computers they have logged into (and > very soon what computers they 'own' or are in charge of)), and from that > same interface, I can launch Remote Administrator, Computer Manager, and > Windows Explorer for their local drives. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Feb 2 10:57:30 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:57:30 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I built this one too.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:32 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals Need a link to this one too. > MoveWindows --> Custom VB .exe, that captures all of the open windows > on your machine. Allows you to move, resize and change the visibility > of any window on your machine. (VERY handy for multiple monitor issues > when an app gets 'lost'). -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Mon Feb 2 10:57:57 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:57:57 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals In-Reply-To: <8D1687A0F8814D67906AAE47A9A4C269@SusanOne> References: <8D1687A0F8814D67906AAE47A9A4C269@SusanOne> Message-ID: Defense, Space, Photonics, Telecommunications, Commercial, Industrial and Medical. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:35 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals What industry -- I know manufacturing -- but for the space industry? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > Email is fine. > > I'm a Network Systems Administrator (with just a tad of db and > programming skills....) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:36 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > > Yes -- but also send a short job description -- to lend credibility -- > gotta > be an IT type professional. :) Also, if you want to include a contact, > let > me know where to include your email or a url. > > Thanks! > Susan H. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Drew Wutka" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > > >> Can this include tools we built? >> >> If so, here would be my list: >> >> VB6 --> Can do so much with this, and so quickly, awesome for quick >> programs/utilities. >> >> Virtual PC / Virtual Server --> Totally free platform for all sorts > of >> things: Test platforms ready in a minute or two. Trash platforms > (for >> surfing the dark alleys of the web) ready in a minute or two. Ability >> to run every MS operating system from one platform, and also any >> combination of installed software on each. >> >> Remote Administrator: From Famatech.com --> Great tool for >> administrating your network. >> >> ISFE (Information Services Front End) --> Custom helpdesk > application. >> Has a company phone list, from which I can search/see all sorts of >> information about employees, and their computers (what computers they >> are currently logged into, what computers they have logged into (and >> very soon what computers they 'own' or are in charge of)), and from > that >> same interface, I can launch Remote Administrator, Computer Manager, > and >> Windows Explorer for their local drives. >> >> MoveWindows --> Custom VB .exe, that captures all of the open > windows >> on your machine. Allows you to move, resize and change the visibility >> of any window on your machine. (VERY handy for multiple monitor issues >> when an app gets 'lost'). >> >> Drew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins >> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:32 AM >> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals >> >> Okay, over the last few weeks I've been putting together a list of >> "can't >> live without" utilities and tools for an article to be published on >> TechRepublic.com. >> >> Now, I don't want to make a political statement, but so far, there's >> only >> one woman on that list! I'd like a few more, and no, I won't say >> anything >> about the gender mix in the content -- it's not relevant, but I'd like > a >> >> better mix. >> >> If you'd like to contribute, I just need a list of the tools/utilities >> that >> you use all the time and would feel lost without. I'll also need a > short >> >> description of your current contribution to the IT industry (what you >> do) >> and if you like, I can include contact information -- this is a great >> way >> for those of you working for yourself to network a bit. I never > promise >> results when I do this, but it can't hurt. >> >> I'm staring at a deadline, so um... if you'd be quick about it > too????? >> :) >> >> Oh, and any fellow who'd still like to contribute, you certainly may > -- >> >> there's no limit on the number. >> >> Please contact me privately at ssharkins at gmail.com. I think this > article >> has >> the potential to generate a lot of interest and discussion and should >> prove >> helpful for other developers/administrators/ITwhatevers. >> >> Susan H. >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for > the >> person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI >> Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not > the >> intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy > the >> material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. 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You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From accessd at shaw.ca Mon Feb 2 11:04:28 2009 From: accessd at shaw.ca (Jim Lawrence) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 09:04:28 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation In-Reply-To: <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> References: <4985ce61.06a0100a.1838.ffffa2d6@mx.google.com> <4985d50d.02ab100a.7f1c.5caf@mx.google.com> <59CF0E0272254C048229020C324B9F7F@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <119DB1BFD2FB411F80F7063C9CB49F6D@creativesystemdesigns.com> Hi William: Check your concatenated field types. They will all have to be strings. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:48 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation Group ...this works fine lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, tblOrg.City, tblOrg.StateOrProvince, tblOrg.Country, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) And ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...but when I try to concatenate 3 of the fields, I get a syntax error lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, [tblOrg]![City] & ", " & [tblOrg]![StateOrProvince] & " " & [tblOrg]![Country]) AS CSC, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) AND ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...any help appreciated. William -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 11:04:40 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:04:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] I'm sorry (was Re: OT: Calling all women IT professionals) References: <7444CA89C4B54A7A8161200597A1F28C@SusanOne> Message-ID: <5350C72383474B4B8DD2427354D7EBFE@SusanOne> I apologize everyone -- I thought I was talking with Drew privately -- I'll make sure none of these come through to the list. Susan H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Drew Wutka" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > www.radmin.com is Remote Administrator. > > On the home page: > > "Radmin (Remote Administrator) is the world famous, award winning secure > remote control software and remote access software which enables you to > work on a remote computer in real time as if you were using its own > keyboard and mouse." > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:26 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Calling all women IT professionals > > http://www.radmin.com/ >> Remote Administrator: From Famatech.com --> Great tool for >> administrating your network. > > =====Your link takes me to radmin -- want to find the exact product for > me? > Looks like there's been a buy out and it's been renamed. > > Susan H. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI > Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the > material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are > notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon > this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient > is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 11:13:00 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 12:13:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: I'm sorry (was Re: OT: Calling all women IT professionals) Message-ID: >I apologize everyone -- I thought I was talking with Drew privately -- I'll > make sure none of these come through to the list. > >> www.radmin.com is Remote Administrator. From james at fcidms.com Mon Feb 2 11:16:53 2009 From: james at fcidms.com (James Barash) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:16:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation Message-ID: <20090202171654.115141D9C@captain.bcentralhost.com> William: It looks as though you have a stray ) in your statement, as in: [tblOrg]![Country]) AS CSC I don't see a corresponding open paren which would account for the syntax error. James Barash -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:48 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] SQL concatenation Group ...this works fine lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, tblOrg.City, tblOrg.StateOrProvince, tblOrg.Country, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) And ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...but when I try to concatenate 3 of the fields, I get a syntax error lstFound.RowSource = "SELECT DISTINCTROW tblOrg.OrgID, tblOrg.OrgName, tblOrg.Address, [tblOrg]![City] & ", " & [tblOrg]![StateOrProvince] & " " & [tblOrg]![Country]) AS CSC, tblOrg.Buyer, tblOrg.Inactive FROM tblOrg WHERE (((tblOrg.OrgName) Like [txtSearchExpression]) And ((tblOrg.Buyer) = True) AND ((tblOrg.Inactive) = False)) ORDER BY tblOrg.OrgName;" ...any help appreciated. William From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Feb 2 14:43:28 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:43:28 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed In-Reply-To: References: <7B3049B944AE43D196B39CCC9B39B14F@DCYN3T81> <29f585dd0901260548g8ceca33k793f43c7b930cb30@mail.gmail.com> <4980c244.06a0100a.729e.5c99@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30902021243y4c0382a2g1233ae18475610b7@mail.gmail.com> William, For what it's worth, I've looked at both IronSpeed and nth Penguin's WebWidgetry. I had a unique opportunity with WebWidgetry in that the guy who developed it lives in Neenah and his company has its office in Appleton, just 15 minutes away. I went to the guy's office one night a couple of weeks ago. I was looking at his code generator to get a jump on an Access-to-web conversion project. WebWidgetry is much different from IronSpeed in that IronSpeed uses "standard" ASP.NET objects to manipulate data with the associated SQL Data Sources. However, Web Widgetry sets up web services for the back-end database. It is very JavaScript heavy (the developer is a JS whiz)...but it still uses the ASP.NET framework. He's done a good job of integrating his WebWidgetry namespace into Visual Studio, complete with Intellisense. The auto code generation is just the tip of the WebWidgetry iceberg. Only one problem: it's a beta. The guy has been working on it for four years, but as a sideline to his main custom development business. He and his partner are looking for venture capital to get it to market. I'm not holding my breath. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:57 PM, William Hindman wrote: > Max > > ...just a note from my own experience with such tools ...when I first > started looking at web technologies because a large client insisted that I > do his web site rather than farm it out to someone he didn't know, Iron > Speed was one of the tools I evaluated before going with Code Charge Studio > ...a long and painful time later I actually produced a data driven site with > it ...but the limitations are very serious ...you do it their way and if > they can't do it, well then you have to build it from scratch and wonder why > in the hell you didn't do it all from scratch ...there are compromises that > are forced upon you at every turn and they accumulate ...immediately after I > delivered the web site MS released VS Express Web Developer Edition for free > and I started playing with it ...heaven! ...Access on steroids on the web > ...and totally free ...and while the learning curve, while not paltry, was > no more than with Iron Speed or CCS, the results were enormously better in > functionality, performance, and the gui. > > ...any of these tools readily use an mdb as their datasource ...but with VS > its native and there are a HUGE amount of resources on the web to resolve > virtually any problem you can think of ...Iron Speed and CCS have dedicated > user communities but its necessarily very limited in comparison to VS. > > ...hth > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Max Wanadoo" > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:38 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Subject: [AccessD] IronSpeed > >> John Cliviger: >> >> John, do you (or anybody) have any experience of deploying MS Access DBs >> to >> IronSpeed? >> >> http://www.ironspeed.com/products/DownloadNow.aspx?c=CP02 >> >> Thanks >> Max From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 09:42:01 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:42:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Maximize throwing error Message-ID: <592078D6CB5947D0A5D3958405AB9505@SusanOne> Database I've been using for years is suddenly throwing an error on a Form Open event that simply maximizes the form using DoCmd.Maximize. No missing library references. What the hoooo???? Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 09:44:13 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:44:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error Message-ID: I stand corrected -- nothing works -- hosed. :( I commented out the DoCmd.Maximize and the form opened, so I thought that was it -- SURPRISE!!!! :( Everything else works but the main form that I use for everything!!! ;( "Object or class does not support the set of events." Nice. ;( Susan H. > Database I've been using for years is suddenly throwing an error on a Form > Open event that simply maximizes the form using > > DoCmd.Maximize. > > No missing library references. What the hoooo???? > > Susan H. From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Tue Feb 3 09:52:29 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 07:52:29 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Backups? Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:44 AM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error I stand corrected -- nothing works -- hosed. :( I commented out the DoCmd.Maximize and the form opened, so I thought that was it -- SURPRISE!!!! :( Everything else works but the main form that I use for everything!!! ;( "Object or class does not support the set of events." Nice. ;( Susan H. > Database I've been using for years is suddenly throwing an error on a > Form Open event that simply maximizes the form using > > DoCmd.Maximize. > > No missing library references. What the hoooo???? > > Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 10:24:59 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:24:59 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error References: Message-ID: Right... um... Interestingly -- it works just fine in 2007 -- how odd is that? Susan H. > Backups? > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 3 10:25:30 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:25:30 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it's practical, zip it and send it over and I'll see if I get the same result on my machine. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:44 AM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error I stand corrected -- nothing works -- hosed. :( I commented out the DoCmd.Maximize and the form opened, so I thought that was it -- SURPRISE!!!! :( Everything else works but the main form that I use for everything!!! ;( "Object or class does not support the set of events." Nice. ;( Susan H. > Database I've been using for years is suddenly throwing an error on a > Form Open event that simply maximizes the form using > > DoCmd.Maximize. > > No missing library references. What the hoooo???? > > Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 3 10:25:30 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:25:30 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <18E54A81E1C84047907D6185769CCD50@HAL9005> Import that form from an earlier working version? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:44 AM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error I stand corrected -- nothing works -- hosed. :( I commented out the DoCmd.Maximize and the form opened, so I thought that was it -- SURPRISE!!!! :( Everything else works but the main form that I use for everything!!! ;( "Object or class does not support the set of events." Nice. ;( Susan H. > Database I've been using for years is suddenly throwing an error on a > Form Open event that simply maximizes the form using > > DoCmd.Maximize. > > No missing library references. What the hoooo???? > > Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From mcp2004 at mail.ru Tue Feb 3 10:29:19 2009 From: mcp2004 at mail.ru (=?koi8-r?Q?=F3=C1=CC=C1=C8=C5=D4=C4=C9=CE=CF=D7_=FB=C1=CD=C9=CC=D8?=) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:29:19 +0300 Subject: [AccessD] =?koi8-r?b?TWF4aW1pemUgdGhyb3dpbmcgZXJyb3I=?= In-Reply-To: <592078D6CB5947D0A5D3958405AB9505@SusanOne> References: <592078D6CB5947D0A5D3958405AB9505@SusanOne> Message-ID: Hi Susan, Do you have any custom controls used on your form? (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/archive/index.php/t-91418.html ), and did you get any third-party software installed recently? -- Shamil From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Tue Feb 3 10:24:02 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:24:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Decompile time? -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:44 AM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error I stand corrected -- nothing works -- hosed. :( I commented out the DoCmd.Maximize and the form opened, so I thought that was it -- SURPRISE!!!! :( Everything else works but the main form that I use for everything!!! ;( "Object or class does not support the set of events." Nice. ;( Susan H. > Database I've been using for years is suddenly throwing an error on a > Form Open event that simply maximizes the form using > > DoCmd.Maximize. > > No missing library references. What the hoooo???? > > Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 10:31:45 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:31:45 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error References: <18E54A81E1C84047907D6185769CCD50@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4BD031671F2C4DAEBE3347346BE7C59F@SusanOne> For now, I'll just use 2007 -- I did a quick repair on XP, but didn't help. Susan H. > Import that form from an earlier working version? From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 10:39:36 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:39:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Maximize throwing error References: <592078D6CB5947D0A5D3958405AB9505@SusanOne> Message-ID: No and no. Well, what do you mean by "custom control" -- lots of controls, but all native with a bit of VBA behind them. Susan H. > Do you have any custom controls used on your form? > (http://www.access-programmers.co.uk/forums/archive/index.php/t-91418.html > ), and did you get any third-party software installed recently? > From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 10:39:55 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:39:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error References: Message-ID: <4603EB858C354BF5AF51F18E332DBCB1@SusanOne> Will try. Susan H. > Decompile time? > From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 10:41:06 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 11:41:06 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error References: Message-ID: And have you see my messy work? Not hardly! ;) But, thanks for the offer. BTW, after reading your book -- and I owe you a review, which I'll publish soon -- I have a great idea for a product -- just need to do some research. :) I'm told by someone in the biz that there's nothing out there, which I don't really believe, but thought I'd take a look. Susan H. > If it's practical, zip it and send it over and I'll see if I get the same > result on my machine. > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 3 10:53:15 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 08:53:15 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69D1FBC0B7AB4B0CACAC53ACC1A9C21E@HAL9005> Happy to collaborate if you want to run the idea by me. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:41 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error And have you see my messy work? Not hardly! ;) But, thanks for the offer. BTW, after reading your book -- and I owe you a review, which I'll publish soon -- I have a great idea for a product -- just need to do some research. :) I'm told by someone in the biz that there's nothing out there, which I don't really believe, but thought I'd take a look. Susan H. > If it's practical, zip it and send it over and I'll see if I get the > same result on my machine. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Tue Feb 3 11:51:30 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:51:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Maximize throwing error In-Reply-To: <592078D6CB5947D0A5D3958405AB9505@SusanOne> References: <592078D6CB5947D0A5D3958405AB9505@SusanOne> Message-ID: Susan, Check any un-checked reference, close the DB and Access, re-open and uncheck the reference just checked. Then try a compile. If it compiles, see if the error is gone. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:42 AM To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Maximize throwing error Database I've been using for years is suddenly throwing an error on a Form Open event that simply maximizes the form using DoCmd.Maximize. No missing library references. What the hoooo???? Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Tue Feb 3 11:55:16 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 12:55:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Fw: Maximize throwing error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49888504.3030009@colbyconsulting.com> Usually if the form is corrupt you cannot open to see the code. If you haven't done so already, try a decompile / compile / compact / repair. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Susan Harkins wrote: > > > Right... um... > > Interestingly -- it works just fine in 2007 -- how odd is that? > > Susan H. > > >> Backups? >> > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 3 15:01:14 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 13:01:14 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Message-ID: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> Dear List: I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the background color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the underlying recordset. Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:07:03 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:07:03 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <2D438CD2D22944EDAFD0BC19516D73FD@SusanOne> Rocky, if you're using a loop, check the object type -- maybe it's just skipping those controls because they're not part of the conditional type or name. Oh wait... you're using the building in formatting, right? Share the expressions/conditions, etc. with us. Susan H. > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:08:15 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:08:15 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the other three. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Dear List: I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the background color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the underlying recordset. Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Feb 3 15:11:42 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:11:42 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <49893FAE.32586.8967432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 3 Feb 2009 at 13:01, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > Are the controls "Back Style" properties set to "Traansparent" by any chance? -- Stuart From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Tue Feb 3 15:11:42 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:11:42 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <49893FAE.32586.8967432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 3 Feb 2009 at 13:01, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > Are the controls "Back Style" properties set to "Traansparent" by any chance? -- Stuart From miscellany at mvps.org Tue Feb 3 15:14:28 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:14:28 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Rocky, Is the Back Style property set to Transparent? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:01 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > From ssharkins at gmail.com Tue Feb 3 15:29:52 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:29:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Maximize throwing error References: <592078D6CB5947D0A5D3958405AB9505@SusanOne> Message-ID: <347BAC54789C489B99E4AEBA304982D0@SusanOne> I did install updates yesterday and I guess I've been bit. :( In Access 2007, publishing to Word now returns an error. Criminy... I hate updates. Susan H. > Susan, > > Check any un-checked reference, close the DB and Access, re-open and > uncheck the reference just checked. Then try a compile. If it compiles, > see if the error is gone. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 3 17:50:28 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:50:28 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> <4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That's cheating! Stand by... Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:08 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the other three. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Dear List: I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the background color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the underlying recordset. Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 3 17:51:29 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:51:29 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <49893FAE.32586.8967432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> <49893FAE.32586.8967432@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <7B63C61FFB5946FD994FF4E3FE4A069B@HAL9005> No, back style normal. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:12 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting On 3 Feb 2009 at 13:01, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access wrote: > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a > Yes/No field in the underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. > I can't see any difference between this set of four and all the > others. But I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > Are the controls "Back Style" properties set to "Traansparent" by any chance? -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 3 17:51:49 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:51:49 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Normal Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:14 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Rocky, Is the Back Style property set to Transparent? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:01 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a > Yes/No field in the underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. > I can't see any difference between this set of four and all the > others. But I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 3 17:52:50 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 15:52:50 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <2D438CD2D22944EDAFD0BC19516D73FD@SusanOne> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> <2D438CD2D22944EDAFD0BC19516D73FD@SusanOne> Message-ID: Expression is [archive]=True (where archive is a yes/no field. When expression is True, back color is set to gray. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Rocky, if you're using a loop, check the object type -- maybe it's just skipping those controls because they're not part of the conditional type or name. Oh wait... you're using the building in formatting, right? Share the expressions/conditions, etc. with us. Susan H. > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a > Yes/No field in the underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. > I can't see any difference between this set of four and all the > others. But I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Tue Feb 3 18:00:12 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 16:00:12 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> <4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <26BB5F1BAFBB46D19CE762AD6D0A86DA@HAL9005> You are such a cheater! Worked a treat. Thanks. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting That's cheating! Stand by... Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:08 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the other three. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Dear List: I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the background color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the underlying recordset. Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Tue Feb 3 18:12:31 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 19:12:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005><4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> <26BB5F1BAFBB46D19CE762AD6D0A86DA@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4CC7D17FF4394DB18CAE2E8370B894B8@jislaptopdev> ...next time try this first ...shift select one of the good controls and one of the bad ones ...open properties on the selected group ...somewhere among the missing property specs is the one causing your problem ...usually easy to see which one it is. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:00 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > You are such a cheater! > > Worked a treat. > > Thanks. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > That's cheating! > > Stand by... > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:08 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with > the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the > other > three. > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Feb 4 01:27:21 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:27:21 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Tip: Sum elapsed time and display as a time string Message-ID: Hi all Did you know how easy it is in a query to sum elapsed time (of date/time value) and format this as a string even when count of hours exceed 24? SELECT DateDiff("h",0,Sum([ElapsedTime])) & Format(Sum([ElapsedTime]),":nn:ss") AS ElapsedTimeTotal FROM tblElapsedTime; This will return a string like, say, 45:37:12. The trick is, of course, to count the hours from date/time value 0 (zero). Then let Format handle the minutes and seconds. /gustav From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 03:09:48 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:09:48 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <26BB5F1BAFBB46D19CE762AD6D0A86DA@HAL9005> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005> <4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> <26BB5F1BAFBB46D19CE762AD6D0A86DA@HAL9005> Message-ID: <49895b5b.2115300a.2bc8.3ba5@mx.google.com> Great stuff! Next please... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 February 2009 00:00 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting You are such a cheater! Worked a treat. Thanks. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting That's cheating! Stand by... Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:08 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the other three. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Dear List: I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the background color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the underlying recordset. Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. Any ideas? MTIA Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 03:23:47 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:23:47 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <4CC7D17FF4394DB18CAE2E8370B894B8@jislaptopdev> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005><4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> <26BB5F1BAFBB46D19CE762AD6D0A86DA@HAL9005> <4CC7D17FF4394DB18CAE2E8370B894B8@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <49895e9d.05ed300a.27a1.ffff91d8@mx.google.com> ...and if this fails, go back to cheating Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: 04 February 2009 00:13 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting ...next time try this first ...shift select one of the good controls and one of the bad ones ...open properties on the selected group ...somewhere among the missing property specs is the one causing your problem ...usually easy to see which one it is. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:00 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > You are such a cheater! > > Worked a treat. > > Thanks. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > That's cheating! > > Stand by... > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:08 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with > the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the > other > three. > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 04:54:04 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 05:54:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tip: Sum elapsed time and display as a time string In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29f585dd0902040254v171bdbbeqda7487bdfff7591d@mail.gmail.com> Wow. I didn't know that, Gustav! Thanks. Arthur On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi all > > Did you know how easy it is in a query to sum elapsed time (of date/time > value) and format this as a string even when count of hours exceed 24? > > SELECT > DateDiff("h",0,Sum([ElapsedTime])) & > Format(Sum([ElapsedTime]),":nn:ss") AS > ElapsedTimeTotal > FROM > tblElapsedTime; > > This will return a string like, say, 45:37:12. > > The trick is, of course, to count the hours from date/time value 0 (zero). > Then let Format handle the minutes and seconds. > > /gustav > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From johncliviger at aol.com Wed Feb 4 06:15:43 2009 From: johncliviger at aol.com (johncliviger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:15:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <49895e9d.05ed300a.27a1.ffff91d8@mx.google.com> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005><4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> <26BB5F1BAFBB46D19CE762AD6D0A86DA@HAL9005><4CC7D17FF4394DB18CAE2E8370B894B8@jislaptopdev> <49895e9d.05ed300a.27a1.ffff91d8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8CB54D96FD99696-13E0-25F4@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> Max Thought you were on holiday! jc -----Original Message----- From: Max Wanadoo To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 9:23 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting ...and if this fails, go back to cheating Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: 04 February 2009 00:13 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting ...next time try this first ...shift select one of the good controls and one of the bad ones ...open properties on the selected group ...somewhere among the missing property specs is the one causing your problem ...usually easy to see which one it is. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:00 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > You are such a cheater! > > Worked a treat. > > Thanks. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > That's cheating! > > Stand by... > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:08 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with > the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the > other > three. > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 06:21:48 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:21:48 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <8CB54D96FD99696-13E0-25F4@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005><4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> <26BB5F1BAFBB46D19CE762AD6D0A86DA@HAL9005><4CC7D17FF4394DB18CAE2E8370B894B8@jislaptopdev> <49895e9d.05ed300a.27a1.ffff91d8@mx.google.com> <8CB54D96FD99696-13E0-25F4@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49898856.2315300a.0af1.ffffcef3@mx.google.com> I am....good fun this....great when your job is your hobby too. ....get paid for having a hobby.... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of johncliviger at aol.com Sent: 04 February 2009 12:16 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Max Thought you were on holiday! jc -----Original Message----- From: Max Wanadoo To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 9:23 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting ...and if this fails, go back to cheating Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: 04 February 2009 00:13 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting ...next time try this first ...shift select one of the good controls and one of the bad ones ...open properties on the selected group ...somewhere among the missing property specs is the one causing your problem ...usually easy to see which one it is. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:00 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > You are such a cheater! > > Worked a treat. > > Thanks. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > That's cheating! > > Stand by... > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:08 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with > the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the > other > three. > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From johncliviger at aol.com Wed Feb 4 06:27:34 2009 From: johncliviger at aol.com (johncliviger at aol.com) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:27:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <49898856.2315300a.0af1.ffffcef3@mx.google.com> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005><4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> <26BB5F1BAFBB46D19CE762AD6D0A86DA@HAL9005><4CC7D17FF4394DB18CAE2E8370B894B8@jislaptopdev> <49895e9d.05ed300a.27a1.ffff91d8@mx.google.com><8CB54D96FD99696-13E0-25F4@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> <49898856.2315300a.0af1.ffffcef3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8CB54DB175DBE41-13E0-265D@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> Max Some people have all the luck. And I bet you've not had any snow too! jc -----Original Message----- From: Max Wanadoo To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:21 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting I am....good fun this....great when your job is your hobby too. ....get paid for having a hobby.... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of johncliviger at aol.com Sent: 04 February 2009 12:16 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Max Thought you were on holiday! jc -----Original Message----- From: Max Wanadoo To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 9:23 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting ...and if this fails, go back to cheating Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: 04 February 2009 00:13 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting ...next time try this first ...shift select one of the good controls and one of the bad ones ...open properties on the selected group ...somewhere among the missing property specs is the one causing your problem ...usually easy to see which one it is. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:00 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > You are such a cheater! > > Worked a treat. > > Thanks. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > That's cheating! > > Stand by... > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-m rp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:08 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with > the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the > other > three. > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/m ailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! 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From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 06:31:50 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:31:50 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting In-Reply-To: <8CB54DB175DBE41-13E0-265D@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> References: <022A0D96A3AE4C25B2A5A453EB37A1B0@HAL9005><4988b239.1f145e0a.1540.63e6@mx.google.com> <26BB5F1BAFBB46D19CE762AD6D0A86DA@HAL9005><4CC7D17FF4394DB18CAE2E8370B894B8@jislaptopdev> <49895e9d.05ed300a.27a1.ffff91d8@mx.google.com><8CB54D96FD99696-13E0-25F4@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> <49898856.2315300a.0af1.ffffcef3@mx.google.com> <8CB54DB175DBE41-13E0-265D@MBLK-M28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <49898ab1.0116300a.6945.ffffe8fc@mx.google.com> You lose! Send the ?200 immediately. Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of johncliviger at aol.com Sent: 04 February 2009 12:28 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Max Some people have all the luck. And I bet you've not had any snow too! jc -----Original Message----- From: Max Wanadoo To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:21 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting I am....good fun this....great when your job is your hobby too. ....get paid for having a hobby.... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of johncliviger at aol.com Sent: 04 February 2009 12:16 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting Max Thought you were on holiday! jc -----Original Message----- From: Max Wanadoo To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 9:23 Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting ...and if this fails, go back to cheating Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: 04 February 2009 00:13 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting ...next time try this first ...shift select one of the good controls and one of the bad ones ...open properties on the selected group ...somewhere among the missing property specs is the one causing your problem ...usually easy to see which one it is. William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:00 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > You are such a cheater! > > Worked a treat. > > Thanks. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > [mailto:rockysmolin at bchacc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:50 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: RE: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > That's cheating! > > Stand by... > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-m rp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 1:08 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Copy one of the ones that work and replace one of the ones that don't with > the copied one changing the source etc. If that works, do it for the > other > three. > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at > Beach Access Software > Sent: 03 February 2009 21:01 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: [AccessD] Conditional Formatting > > Dear List: > > I am using conditional formatting on a continuous form to set the > background > color to gray if [Archive] = True. Where Archive is a Yes/No field in the > underlying recordset. > > Works fine on all text fields and combo boxes on the form. > > Except for 4 text boxes that refuse to change their background color. I > can't see any difference between this set of four and all the others. But > I'm sure there must be. And I'm just not seeing it. > > Any ideas? > > MTIA > > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/m ailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! 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Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Feb 4 09:12:19 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 10:12:19 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Thunderbird line wrap Message-ID: <4989B053.7080005@colbyconsulting.com> When I reply to emails, in at least some cases the email below my signature (from the person I am responding to) does not line wrap, i.e. it just runs off the right hand side of the screen. This makes it difficult to read. Does anyone know how to cause the line to wrap? -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Wed Feb 4 09:27:57 2009 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:27:57 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Thunderbird line wrap In-Reply-To: <4989B053.7080005@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4989B053.7080005@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Its not Thunderbird related...but as of about 6-10 months ago...Anytime I reply to this list...I have to Switch to 'plain text' or everything...including my email will run together. I know it is not a solution...but a possible workaround. Mark ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:12:19 -0500 > From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Thunderbird line wrap > > When I reply to emails, in at least some cases the email below my signature (from the person I am > responding to) does not line wrap, i.e. it just runs off the right hand side of the screen. This > makes it difficult to read. Does anyone know how to cause the line to wrap? > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 10:28:15 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:28:15 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Message-ID: Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 10:48:35 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:48:35 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> If it is a "number" that is displayed and not "acted" upon then format it as a string and you can put whatever you want in it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 February 2009 16:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Feb 4 10:51:07 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:51:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Only if you bind the textbox to a text representation of the value. If you want to edit it, no. The decimal point is a delimiter. No decimal places, no decimal point QED. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:28 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Feb 4 11:00:42 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:00:42 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Message-ID: Hi Rocky You can use a format string of: "0.#" /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 17:28 >>> Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky From joe.rojas at symmetrynb.com Wed Feb 4 11:06:09 2009 From: joe.rojas at symmetrynb.com (Rojas, Joe) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:06:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6DB3@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> Hi All, I am trying to pull data into Access from our ERP system that runs off of a Progress OpenEdge database. The problem I'm having is that the query takes a long time to run...around 20 mins. I think the problem is related to how I've designed the query and I'm hoping someone can point out my error. I'm connecting to OpenEdge via ODBC. I've linked to the tables I need in Access. I've pasted the SQL for the queries below. The first query runs pretty quick. It pulles data from one of the tables based on date range and inserts the records into a local table in Access. The second query is the one that has the problem. I created a query in Access that pulls data from another table in OpenEdge that has a WHERE clause that uses the IN statement. The IN statement uses a sub query to get the distinct job numbers from the local table that was created in the first query. The sub query could return many job numbers depending on the span in the date range for the first query. By many, I mean it could be 10, 100, 1000, or more. My guess is that the sub query could be the problem. When I run the query, the CPU spikes to 100% for MSACESS but the network traffic indicates that it's not actually pulling data the whole time. Is there an alternate method to achieving my goal? Tables in my query that have a 'tbl' prefix are local tables. Tables with a 'PUB' prefix are link ODBC tables. Query 1 (runs in seconds) INSERT INTO tblLaborDtl ( Company, EmployeeNum, JobNum, OprSeq, ResourceGrpID, ScrapQty, ResourceID, ClockInDate, LaborDtlSeq, ScrapReasonCode ) SELECT PUB_LaborDtl.Company, PUB_LaborDtl.EmployeeNum, PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum, PUB_LaborDtl.OprSeq, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceGrpID, PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapQty, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceID, PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate, PUB_LaborDtl.LaborDtlSeq, PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapReasonCode FROM PUB_LaborDtl WHERE (((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd])); Query 2 (take 20 mins) INSERT INTO tblJobOper ( Company, JobNum, OprSeq, OpCode, SubContract, ActBurCost, ActLabCost ) SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost FROM PUB_JobOper WHERE PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' AND PUB_JobOper.JobNum In (SELECT DISTINCT tblLaborDtl.JobNum FROM tblLaborDtl); Joe From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 12:14:48 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:14:48 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <67BAE8EAA0364A838FD7B2CF3B864342@HAL9005> Bound numeric field which needs updating. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right If it is a "number" that is displayed and not "acted" upon then format it as a string and you can put whatever you want in it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 February 2009 16:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 12:19:15 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:19:15 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav: Didn't show the decimal point. What am I doing wrong? I tried it both in the Format property and the input mask. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky You can use a format string of: "0.#" /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 17:28 >>> Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Feb 4 12:25:12 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:25:12 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Message-ID: Hi Rocky Don't know about the input mask. Remove that for a test. It works here just like that. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 19:19 >>> Gustav: Didn't show the decimal point. What am I doing wrong? I tried it both in the Format property and the input mask. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky You can use a format string of: "0.#" /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 17:28 >>> Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 12:33:16 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 10:33:16 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Without the quote marks, I assume - just 0.# in the format property?. 2003 or 2007? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:25 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky Don't know about the input mask. Remove that for a test. It works here just like that. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 19:19 >>> Gustav: Didn't show the decimal point. What am I doing wrong? I tried it both in the Format property and the input mask. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky You can use a format string of: "0.#" /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 17:28 >>> Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Wed Feb 4 12:23:00 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:23:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Gustav: Didn't show the decimal point. What am I doing wrong? I tried it both in the Format property and the input mask. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky You can use a format string of: "0.#" /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 17:28 >>> Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 12:38:21 2009 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:38:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database Message-ID: Does anyone have a training records database I could get from them as a starting point for a new one? Basically I need to track: Course, Participant(s), Instructor(s), Location, Date(s), Time(s) Thanks for any help you can lend. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Feb 4 12:46:08 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:46:08 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Message-ID: Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Gustav: Didn't show the decimal point. What am I doing wrong? I tried it both in the Format property and the input mask. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky You can use a format string of: "0.#" /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 17:28 >>> Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Feb 4 12:47:03 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:47:03 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Message-ID: Hi Rocky Yes. Access 97. But it should not matter. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 19:33 >>> Without the quote marks, I assume - just 0.# in the format property?. 2003 or 2007? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:25 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky Don't know about the input mask. Remove that for a test. It works here just like that. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 19:19 >>> Gustav: Didn't show the decimal point. What am I doing wrong? I tried it both in the Format property and the input mask. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky You can use a format string of: "0.#" /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 17:28 >>> Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky From markamatte at hotmail.com Wed Feb 4 12:49:10 2009 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:49:10 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query In-Reply-To: <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6DB3@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6DB3@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> Message-ID: I have the same issue when pulling data via ODBC...I have found it is much quicker to NOT join a local table to a linked ODBC...just my opinion. Any reason you can't do the filtering in one SQL statement.(see sample below) Good Luck, Mark A. Matte SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost FROM PUB_JobOper,PUB_LaborDtl WHERE PUB_JobOper.JobNum=PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum and PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' and ((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd]); ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:06:09 -0500 > From: joe.rojas at symmetrynb.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query > > Hi All, > > I am trying to pull data into Access from our ERP system that runs off > of a Progress OpenEdge database. > The problem I'm having is that the query takes a long time to > run...around 20 mins. > I think the problem is related to how I've designed the query and I'm > hoping someone can point out my error. > > I'm connecting to OpenEdge via ODBC. I've linked to the tables I need in > Access. > I've pasted the SQL for the queries below. > The first query runs pretty quick. It pulles data from one of the tables > based on date range and inserts the records into a local table in > Access. > The second query is the one that has the problem. I created a query in > Access that pulls data from another table in OpenEdge that has a WHERE > clause that uses the IN statement. The IN statement uses a sub query to > get the distinct job numbers from the local table that was created in > the first query. > The sub query could return many job numbers depending on the span in the > date range for the first query. > By many, I mean it could be 10, 100, 1000, or more. > > My guess is that the sub query could be the problem. > When I run the query, the CPU spikes to 100% for MSACESS but the network > traffic indicates that it's not actually pulling data the whole time. > > Is there an alternate method to achieving my goal? > > Tables in my query that have a 'tbl' prefix are local tables. Tables > with a 'PUB' prefix are link ODBC tables. > > Query 1 (runs in seconds) > INSERT INTO tblLaborDtl ( Company, EmployeeNum, JobNum, OprSeq, > ResourceGrpID, ScrapQty, ResourceID, ClockInDate, LaborDtlSeq, > ScrapReasonCode ) > SELECT PUB_LaborDtl.Company, PUB_LaborDtl.EmployeeNum, > PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum, PUB_LaborDtl.OprSeq, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceGrpID, > PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapQty, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceID, > PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate, PUB_LaborDtl.LaborDtlSeq, > PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapReasonCode > FROM PUB_LaborDtl > WHERE (((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd])); > > Query 2 (take 20 mins) > INSERT INTO tblJobOper ( Company, JobNum, OprSeq, OpCode, SubContract, > ActBurCost, ActLabCost ) > SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, > PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, > PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost > FROM PUB_JobOper > WHERE PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' AND PUB_JobOper.JobNum In (SELECT > DISTINCT tblLaborDtl.JobNum FROM tblLaborDtl); > > Joe > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 12:57:38 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 18:57:38 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4989e51d.0c53300a.52cc.ffffc18f@mx.google.com> Bit of a long shot Bryan, But did northwind not come with something similar. Also have you tried the MS site. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: 04 February 2009 18:38 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database Does anyone have a training records database I could get from them as a starting point for a new one? Basically I need to track: Course, Participant(s), Instructor(s), Location, Date(s), Time(s) Thanks for any help you can lend. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 13:00:35 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:00:35 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <67BAE8EAA0364A838FD7B2CF3B864342@HAL9005> References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> <67BAE8EAA0364A838FD7B2CF3B864342@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4989e5cc.19e7300a.53ea.ffff852c@mx.google.com> Well, if Gustav et al cannot help then as a final solution you could put a hidden field on top of another and have the visible one (Unbound) as a string displaying what you want with the hidden field actually holding the numeric data. Bit convoluted but I like to think laterally (ie, lying down with a beer) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 February 2009 18:15 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Bound numeric field which needs updating. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right If it is a "number" that is displayed and not "acted" upon then format it as a string and you can put whatever you want in it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 February 2009 16:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 13:06:26 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:06:26 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! Message-ID: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=497&alertspromo=100907&tag=nl.rSINGLE Susan H. From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 13:17:41 2009 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:17:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: <4989e51d.0c53300a.52cc.ffffc18f@mx.google.com> References: <4989e51d.0c53300a.52cc.ffffc18f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Bit of a long shot Bryan, > But did northwind not come with something similar. Also have you tried the > MS site. AFAIK, Northwind didn't have anything like this, but I could be wrong. As for looking at MS site, I was hoping to get something GOOD. LOL -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 13:21:18 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:21:18 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: <4989e51d.0c53300a.52cc.ffffc18f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4989eaa8.06e9300a.443d.ffff97f3@mx.google.com> Ha! Good one! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: 04 February 2009 19:18 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Training Records Database On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Bit of a long shot Bryan, > But did northwind not come with something similar. Also have you tried the > MS site. AFAIK, Northwind didn't have anything like this, but I could be wrong. As for looking at MS site, I was hoping to get something GOOD. LOL -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Wed Feb 4 13:00:51 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:00:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert From dw-murphy at cox.net Wed Feb 4 13:28:26 2009 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:28:26 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D2AA4F159D24AB0893241BD836B5144@murphy3234aaf1> Access 2007 has a bunch of example data bases one of which probably covers training. I took a quick look at the MS site, but as usual finding something isn't easy. Doug -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:38 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database Does anyone have a training records database I could get from them as a starting point for a new one? Basically I need to track: Course, Participant(s), Instructor(s), Location, Date(s), Time(s) Thanks for any help you can lend. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 13:34:34 2009 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:34:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: <4D2AA4F159D24AB0893241BD836B5144@murphy3234aaf1> References: <4D2AA4F159D24AB0893241BD836B5144@murphy3234aaf1> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Doug Murphy wrote: > Access 2007 has a bunch of example data bases one of which probably covers > training. I took a quick look at the MS site, but as usual finding something > isn't easy. Guess I shoulda mentioned, I'm stuck on A2K. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 13:43:24 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:43:24 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: <4D2AA4F159D24AB0893241BD836B5144@murphy3234aaf1> Message-ID: <4989efd5.0616300a.4075.ffffd43e@mx.google.com> Just had a quick look at 2007 and it has a Faculties and a Students template. Have to go out now, but I was thinking that somebody might be able to save them in an earlier version for you. I have (but don't use) 2007 'cos it is so stupidly cumbersome to navigate and at the end of the day, it does no more than 2003. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: 04 February 2009 19:35 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Training Records Database On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Doug Murphy wrote: > Access 2007 has a bunch of example data bases one of which probably covers > training. I took a quick look at the MS site, but as usual finding something > isn't easy. Guess I shoulda mentioned, I'm stuck on A2K. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From garykjos at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 13:46:51 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 13:46:51 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query In-Reply-To: <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6DB3@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6DB3@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> Message-ID: How about instead of the IN and with the Distict in the select statement, what if you created a temp table of those job numbers with a make table query over the results from the first query with group by. Then I would set the job number as a KEY field too. Then run you second query with a join between the job number in your temp table and on the source system. If this proves to be satisfactory performance wise you might want to change the make table to an append query and run a delete query on the temp file first to clean it out. That way the key field stays there. I do this kind of stuff and have had good results but am using Oracle database tables as source data. GK On 2/4/09, Rojas, Joe wrote: > Hi All, > > I am trying to pull data into Access from our ERP system that runs off > of a Progress OpenEdge database. > The problem I'm having is that the query takes a long time to > run...around 20 mins. > I think the problem is related to how I've designed the query and I'm > hoping someone can point out my error. > > I'm connecting to OpenEdge via ODBC. I've linked to the tables I need in > Access. > I've pasted the SQL for the queries below. > The first query runs pretty quick. It pulles data from one of the tables > based on date range and inserts the records into a local table in > Access. > The second query is the one that has the problem. I created a query in > Access that pulls data from another table in OpenEdge that has a WHERE > clause that uses the IN statement. The IN statement uses a sub query to > get the distinct job numbers from the local table that was created in > the first query. > The sub query could return many job numbers depending on the span in the > date range for the first query. > By many, I mean it could be 10, 100, 1000, or more. > > My guess is that the sub query could be the problem. > When I run the query, the CPU spikes to 100% for MSACESS but the network > traffic indicates that it's not actually pulling data the whole time. > > Is there an alternate method to achieving my goal? > > Tables in my query that have a 'tbl' prefix are local tables. Tables > with a 'PUB' prefix are link ODBC tables. > > Query 1 (runs in seconds) > INSERT INTO tblLaborDtl ( Company, EmployeeNum, JobNum, OprSeq, > ResourceGrpID, ScrapQty, ResourceID, ClockInDate, LaborDtlSeq, > ScrapReasonCode ) > SELECT PUB_LaborDtl.Company, PUB_LaborDtl.EmployeeNum, > PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum, PUB_LaborDtl.OprSeq, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceGrpID, > PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapQty, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceID, > PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate, PUB_LaborDtl.LaborDtlSeq, > PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapReasonCode > FROM PUB_LaborDtl > WHERE (((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd])); > > Query 2 (take 20 mins) > INSERT INTO tblJobOper ( Company, JobNum, OprSeq, OpCode, SubContract, > ActBurCost, ActLabCost ) > SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, > PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, > PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost > FROM PUB_JobOper > WHERE PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' AND PUB_JobOper.JobNum In (SELECT > DISTINCT tblLaborDtl.JobNum FROM tblLaborDtl); > > Joe > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From miscellany at mvps.org Wed Feb 4 13:55:03 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:55:03 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bryan, I have an Access 2000 application which is used to run adult education courses, currently operating in 25 schools. I would be happy to let you have a look at it. I will contact you off-list. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:38 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database > Does anyone have a training records database I could get from them as > a starting point for a new one? > > Basically I need to track: Course, Participant(s), Instructor(s), > Location, Date(s), Time(s) > > Thanks for any help you can lend. From miscellany at mvps.org Wed Feb 4 13:59:52 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:59:52 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: <4989efd5.0616300a.4075.ffffd43e@mx.google.com> References: <4D2AA4F159D24AB0893241BD836B5144@murphy3234aaf1> <4989efd5.0616300a.4075.ffffd43e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Max, -------------------------------------------------- From: "Max Wanadoo" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:43 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Training Records Database > ... 2007 'cos it is > so stupidly cumbersome to navigate I can understand (though don't agree with) this sentiment. > and at the end of the day, it does no > more than 2003. But this, I can't believe. Oh dear, have you had a serious look? Does no more than 2003... you're kidding, right? Regards Steve From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 14:04:58 2009 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:04:58 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Steve Schapel wrote: > Bryan, > > I have an Access 2000 application which is used to run adult education > courses, currently operating in 25 schools. I would be happy to let you > have a look at it. I will contact you off-list. Thanks Steve. I appreciate it -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Wed Feb 4 14:18:38 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:18:38 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database References: Message-ID: http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=232 ...full training registration app with source that has all your needs ...hth :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bryan Carbonnell" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:38 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database > Does anyone have a training records database I could get from them as > a starting point for a new one? > > Basically I need to track: Course, Participant(s), Instructor(s), > Location, Date(s), Time(s) > > Thanks for any help you can lend. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From carbonnb at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 14:48:18 2009 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:48:18 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM, William Hindman wrote: > http://www.rogersaccesslibrary.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=232 > ...full training registration app with source that has all your needs ...hth > :) Thanks William. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From jimdettman at verizon.net Wed Feb 4 15:18:31 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:18:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah. I'll send it along in a few. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Carbonnell Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:38 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database Does anyone have a training records database I could get from them as a starting point for a new one? Basically I need to track: Course, Participant(s), Instructor(s), Location, Date(s), Time(s) Thanks for any help you can lend. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Wed Feb 4 15:43:40 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:43:40 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> I have a report with 4 columns. The user wants the data sorted by the second column and then by the first column then sorted by the third column and the first column and then by the third column and the first column. I can get ti to sort by the second then third then fourth column but I cannot see how do do a subsort of the first column for ech of the other three column sorts. Hope this makes sense. Or do I need to use three sub reports? Thanks. Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. From dwaters at usinternet.com Wed Feb 4 16:02:01 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:02:01 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: You might try 3 or 4 stacked queries. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Kaup, Chester Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:44 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report I have a report with 4 columns. The user wants the data sorted by the second column and then by the first column then sorted by the third column and the first column and then by the third column and the first column. I can get ti to sort by the second then third then fourth column but I cannot see how do do a subsort of the first column for ech of the other three column sorts. Hope this makes sense. Or do I need to use three sub reports? Thanks. Chester Kaup Engineering Technician Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP Office (432) 688-3797 FAX (432) 688-3799 No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 16:02:51 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:02:51 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <4989e5cc.19e7300a.53ea.ffff852c@mx.google.com> References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com><67BAE8EAA0364A838FD7B2CF3B864342@HAL9005> <4989e5cc.19e7300a.53ea.ffff852c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9C149EAFE67E4FB8A28E1549D676C680@HAL9005> If the client will forgo the decimal point, that would be an even faster solution. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Well, if Gustav et al cannot help then as a final solution you could put a hidden field on top of another and have the visible one (Unbound) as a string displaying what you want with the hidden field actually holding the numeric data. Bit convoluted but I like to think laterally (ie, lying down with a beer) Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 February 2009 18:15 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Bound numeric field which needs updating. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:49 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right If it is a "number" that is displayed and not "acted" upon then format it as a string and you can put whatever you want in it. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 February 2009 16:28 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 16:02:51 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:02:51 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8140E6DD0BE941CBBC87C3E6C5EB31BB@HAL9005> No soap. :( Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:47 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky Yes. Access 97. But it should not matter. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 19:33 >>> Without the quote marks, I assume - just 0.# in the format property?. 2003 or 2007? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:25 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky Don't know about the input mask. Remove that for a test. It works here just like that. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 19:19 >>> Gustav: Didn't show the decimal point. What am I doing wrong? I tried it both in the Format property and the input mask. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:01 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky You can use a format string of: "0.#" /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 17:28 >>> Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 16:06:45 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:06:45 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Wed Feb 4 16:09:27 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:09:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> Message-ID: Like this? format(111.12,"0.") Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 16:16:20 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:16:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <8899EE4B3EBB4DD8A3CF690CF1732EDA@SusanOne> Sounds like a grouped report, but I don't know how you'd repeat a column in the effort. Susan H. >I have a report with 4 columns. The user wants the data sorted by the >second column and then by the first column then sorted by the third column >and the first column and then by the third column and the first column. I >can get ti to sort by the second then third then fourth column but I cannot >see how do do a subsort of the first column for ech of the other three >column sorts. Hope this makes sense. Or do I need to use three sub reports? >Thanks. From miscellany at mvps.org Wed Feb 4 16:16:56 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:16:56 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <625E8412773C4406B673E632DC88D358@stevePC> Chester, In the Sorting & Grouping dialog, you can enter an expression in the 'Field/Expression' box, for example: =[OneField] & [AnotherField] Does that help? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaup, Chester" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:43 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report > I have a report with 4 columns. The user wants the data sorted by the > second column and then by the first column then sorted by the third column > and the first column and then by the third column and the first column. I > can get ti to sort by the second then third then fourth column but I > cannot see how do do a subsort of the first column for ech of the other > three column sorts. Hope this makes sense. Or do I need to use three sub > reports? Thanks. > From Gustav at cactus.dk Wed Feb 4 16:23:54 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 23:23:54 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Message-ID: Hi Rocky I tried this in A2007 as well, and it works perfectly. Did you remove the input mask? And you apply the format to the textbox? The source _must_ be left as is. Else something weird must be going on at your end. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 23:06 >>> The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert From ab-mi at post3.tele.dk Wed Feb 4 16:47:46 2009 From: ab-mi at post3.tele.dk (Asger Blond) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 23:47:46 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <000001c9871a$99ce1890$2301a8c0@AB> How about binding your control to following expression: =int(YourField) & "." Or =int(YourField) & format(0,".#") First example gives decimal sign fixed as "." like: ?int(10.78) & "." --> 10. Second example gives decimal sign as "." or "," dependent on your country setting like: ?int(10.78) & format(0,".#") --> 10. or 10, Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sendt: 4. februar 2009 23:07 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 16:47:46 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:47:46 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> Message-ID: Lambert: In your example the 111.12 is the value to be displayed and should display 111. yes? But since this is a bound text box I'm not sure where to enter format(111.12,"0.") and I'd have to substitute the bound field name for 111.12. Right? Thanks for hanging in there with me. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Like this? format(111.12,"0.") Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 16:51:07 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:51:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gustav: Removed the input mask and entered 0.# in the format property of the bound text box. But no decimal point showed up. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:24 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky I tried this in A2007 as well, and it works perfectly. Did you remove the input mask? And you apply the format to the textbox? The source _must_ be left as is. Else something weird must be going on at your end. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 23:06 >>> The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 16:52:32 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:52:32 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D408DF7E0B34B869C7F155B8DF1106A@HAL9005> Gustav and Lambert: Just figured it out. I had changed Decimal places to zero. When I change Decimal Places back to Auto it displays the decimal point. Thanks both. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:24 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Rocky I tried this in A2007 as well, and it works perfectly. Did you remove the input mask? And you apply the format to the textbox? The source _must_ be left as is. Else something weird must be going on at your end. /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 04-02-2009 23:06 >>> The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 16:54:54 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:54:54 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <000001c9871a$99ce1890$2301a8c0@AB> References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> <000001c9871a$99ce1890$2301a8c0@AB> Message-ID: <82A6D8C2F34E4BC78482C669C038B2B6@HAL9005> Asger: Thanks, the first suggestions worked after I changed the Decimal Places property back to Auto from zero. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Asger Blond Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right How about binding your control to following expression: =int(YourField) & "." Or =int(YourField) & format(0,".#") First example gives decimal sign fixed as "." like: ?int(10.78) & "." --> 10. Second example gives decimal sign as "." or "," dependent on your country setting like: ?int(10.78) & format(0,".#") --> 10. or 10, Asger -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] P? vegne af Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sendt: 4. februar 2009 23:07 Til: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Emne: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Wed Feb 4 16:54:52 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:54:52 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report In-Reply-To: <625E8412773C4406B673E632DC88D358@stevePC> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <625E8412773C4406B673E632DC88D358@stevePC> Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E32@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Sorry but does not work. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:17 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting in a report Chester, In the Sorting & Grouping dialog, you can enter an expression in the 'Field/Expression' box, for example: =[OneField] & [AnotherField] Does that help? Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaup, Chester" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:43 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report > I have a report with 4 columns. The user wants the data sorted by the > second column and then by the first column then sorted by the third column > and the first column and then by the third column and the first column. I > can get ti to sort by the second then third then fourth column but I > cannot see how do do a subsort of the first column for ech of the other > three column sorts. Hope this makes sense. Or do I need to use three sub > reports? Thanks. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 16:55:34 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 14:55:34 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <2CCFEF3DF87E4A14AA873E914FFEA165@HAL9005> Lambert: Fixed it - changed the Decimal places property back to auto from 0. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Lambert: In your example the 111.12 is the value to be displayed and should display 111. yes? But since this is a bound text box I'm not sure where to enter format(111.12,"0.") and I'd have to substitute the bound field name for 111.12. Right? Thanks for hanging in there with me. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Like this? format(111.12,"0.") Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Wed Feb 4 17:02:31 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:02:31 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> Message-ID: But Rocky, why would you show a decimal point at all if you aren't going to show the decimal places? That doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 17:06:54 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 15:06:54 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <4E25B80140564895A3FD6218729C894A@HAL9005> I don't know. Client requests it. I do it. :) Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right But Rocky, why would you show a decimal point at all if you aren't going to show the decimal places? That doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Feb 4 17:09:28 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:09:28 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498AACC8.26349.E28A618@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Something will be on its way off-list shortly - I need to clean a lot of data out first) On 4 Feb 2009 at 13:38, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > Does anyone have a training records database I could get from them as > a starting point for a new one? > > Basically I need to track: Course, Participant(s), Instructor(s), > Location, Date(s), Time(s) > > Thanks for any help you can lend. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Wed Feb 4 17:15:47 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 12:15:47 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E32@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <625E8412773C4406B673E632DC88D358@stevePC> <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E32@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <0D72ED2BFB7B4A469287374BCB056327@stevePC> Can you expand on that idea, Chester? Can you say what you did, and what the outcome was, and how the outcome differed from what you wanted? Thanks. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaup, Chester" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:54 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting in a report > Sorry but does not work. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Wed Feb 4 18:09:47 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 19:09:47 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: <4989e51d.0c53300a.52cc.ffffc18f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498A2E4B.30509@colbyconsulting.com> > As for looking at MS site, I was hoping to get something GOOD. LOL ROTFL. Not impressed with their summer interns? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Max Wanadoo wrote: >> Bit of a long shot Bryan, >> But did northwind not come with something similar. Also have you tried the >> MS site. > > AFAIK, Northwind didn't have anything like this, but I could be wrong. > > As for looking at MS site, I was hoping to get something GOOD. LOL > From bheid at sc.rr.com Wed Feb 4 18:19:19 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:19:19 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007b01c98727$636f1b70$2a4d5250$@rr.com> One way would be to convert it to a string and then lop off the decimal digits. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 18:22:39 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:22:39 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <007b01c98727$636f1b70$2a4d5250$@rr.com> References: <007b01c98727$636f1b70$2a4d5250$@rr.com> Message-ID: <45FB37EA9EB44F92AC2DA5710813087B@HAL9005> =str(int(fldMyField)) & "."? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right One way would be to convert it to a string and then lop off the decimal digits. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Wed Feb 4 19:15:36 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:15:36 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon Message-ID: Dear List: I am still looking for a way to programmatically minimize the A2007 ribbon. I would prefer not to replace it with a custom ribbon as during development I need the standard bar. Theoretically, everything you can do through the UI in Access can be done through the object model. But I have been unable to find any info on minimizing the ribbon. Doe anyone know of a property or method or something to do this? MTIA Rocky From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Wed Feb 4 20:57:24 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:57:24 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database References: <4989e51d.0c53300a.52cc.ffffc18f@mx.google.com> <498A2E4B.30509@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: "ROTFL. Not impressed with their summer interns?" jc ...did they upgrade their sample writing staff and not warn me? William -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:09 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Training Records Database > > As for looking at MS site, I was hoping to get something GOOD. LOL > > ROTFL. Not impressed with their summer interns? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Bryan Carbonnell wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Max Wanadoo >> wrote: >>> Bit of a long shot Bryan, >>> But did northwind not come with something similar. Also have you tried >>> the >>> MS site. >> >> AFAIK, Northwind didn't have anything like this, but I could be wrong. >> >> As for looking at MS site, I was hoping to get something GOOD. LOL >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From mmattys at rochester.rr.com Wed Feb 4 21:11:04 2009 From: mmattys at rochester.rr.com (Mike Mattys) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:11:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon References: Message-ID: Hi Rocky, Seems like step 4 at this site would do it? http://www.access-freak.com/tutorials.html#Tutorial05 - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > > Dear List: > > I am still looking for a way to programmatically minimize the A2007 > ribbon. > I would prefer not to replace it with a custom ribbon as during > development > I need the standard bar. > > Theoretically, everything you can do through the UI in Access can be done > through the object model. But I have been unable to find any info on > minimizing the ribbon. > > Doe anyone know of a property or method or something to do this? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Feb 4 21:14:48 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 13:14:48 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Rocky! This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off the ribbons programmatically" Here's what I posted then: My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably because of different screen resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like it will always be above/below 100 so this should work anywhere. It certainly works for me: Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean RibbonMinimized = Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 End Function The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon :-) Function HideRibbon() DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo End Function Function ShowRibbon() DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes End Function Function MinimizeRibbon() If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" End If End Function Function MaximizeRibbon() If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" End If End Function From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Wed Feb 4 21:28:51 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:28:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: "SendKeys"????????? ...shakes head ...returns to A2K3 :( ...sorry Stu, just couldn't help myself :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Stuart McLachlan" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:14 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > Rocky! > > This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off the > ribbons > programmatically" > > Here's what I posted then: > My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably because of > different screen > resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like it will always be above/below > 100 so this should work > anywhere. It certainly works for me: > > Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean > RibbonMinimized = Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 > End Function > > The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon :-) > > Function HideRibbon() > DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo > End Function > > Function ShowRibbon() > DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes > End Function > > Function MinimizeRibbon() > If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" > End If > End Function > > Function MaximizeRibbon() > If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" > End If > End Function > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Wed Feb 4 21:31:16 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:31:16 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> <4E25B80140564895A3FD6218729C894A@HAL9005> Message-ID: ...Lesson #1 in how to survive as an independent Access developer. :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:06 PM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right > I don't know. Client requests it. I do it. :) > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:03 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right > > But Rocky, why would you show a decimal point at all if you aren't going > to > show the decimal places? That doesn't make any kind of sense to me. > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at > Beach Access Software > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:07 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right > > The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to > display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two > arguments > for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a > continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not > sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal > point > without the decimals fractions. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right > > ? format(111&,"0.#") > 111. > > Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified > integers. > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right > > Hi Lambert > >> Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) > > Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. > > /gustav > >>>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> > Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it > to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") > 111.1 > > This shows no decimal places... > ? format(111.12,"0.") > 111. > > Lambert > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Wed Feb 4 22:14:58 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:14:58 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <498AF462.28624.D5A335@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Yep, it's a real kludge, but it's the only one we could find to programmatically control that f*ing ribbon :-( On 4 Feb 2009 at 22:28, William Hindman wrote: > "SendKeys"????????? > > ...shakes head ...returns to A2K3 :( > > ...sorry Stu, just couldn't help myself :) > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:14 PM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > > > Rocky! > > > > This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off the > > ribbons > > programmatically" > > > > Here's what I posted then: > > My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably because of > > different screen > > resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like it will always be above/below > > 100 so this should work > > anywhere. It certainly works for me: > > > > Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean > > RibbonMinimized = Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 > > End Function > > > > The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon :-) > > > > Function HideRibbon() > > DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo > > End Function > > > > Function ShowRibbon() > > DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes > > End Function > > > > Function MinimizeRibbon() > > If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" > > End If > > End Function > > > > Function MaximizeRibbon() > > If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" > > End If > > End Function > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 5 00:08:42 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:08:42 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: How did I miss that? Thanks. Will implement tomorrow and let you know the results. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon Rocky! This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off the ribbons programmatically" Here's what I posted then: My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably because of different screen resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like it will always be above/below 100 so this should work anywhere. It certainly works for me: Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean RibbonMinimized = Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 End Function The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon :-) Function HideRibbon() DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo End Function Function ShowRibbon() DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes End Function Function MinimizeRibbon() If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" End If End Function Function MaximizeRibbon() If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" End If End Function -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 5 00:08:42 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 22:08:42 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DA7FC5E84CF4BAAA627E40B6B160D67@HAL9005> Maybe. Looks like I have to create a custom ribbon. Wonder how this will play with a 2003 mdb or mde. We can't right now, have a totally 2007 app. Has to be runnable on either. But I'll check this out. Thanks. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mike Mattys Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:11 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon Hi Rocky, Seems like step 4 at this site would do it? http://www.access-freak.com/tutorials.html#Tutorial05 - Michael R Mattys MapPoint and Database Dev www.mattysconsulting.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:15 PM Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > > Dear List: > > I am still looking for a way to programmatically minimize the A2007 > ribbon. > I would prefer not to replace it with a custom ribbon as during > development > I need the standard bar. > > Theoretically, everything you can do through the UI in Access can be done > through the object model. But I have been unable to find any info on > minimizing the ribbon. > > Doe anyone know of a property or method or something to do this? > > MTIA > > Rocky > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 5 01:08:42 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 08:08:42 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Message-ID: Hi Rocky No, that wouldn't work for negative numbers. While that could be fixed(!): =Str(Fix(fldMyField)) & "." it would round down/off (towards zero) where the format expression will round to nearest integer. Also, it would always return a trailing dot even if your decimal point is something else (like most places outside the US). /gustav >>> rockysmolin at bchacc.com 05-02-2009 01:22 >>> =str(int(fldMyField)) & "."? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Heid Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:19 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right One way would be to convert it to a string and then lop off the decimal digits. Bobby -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:28 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Dear List: Is it possible to format a number in a bound text box with zero decimal places to the right of the decimal point but still display the decimal point? MTIA Rocky From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:12:46 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:12:46 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Specific Printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <68B8616EE6CC48A4BCF94F92C16C8837@MINSTER> Hi folks How do I supply an MDB with a report set to print to a specific printer which I don't have? The report is used by several people in an office and needs to print on their one colour printer which is not the default for any of them. So it's a network printer and I'm not on their netowrk of course. Can this be done, by code if necessary? Oh and this is A2K. Cheers Andy Lacey PS Deep snow today here. A very pretty English scene as long as you don't have to try to negotiate the roads, which I don't tee hee. From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Feb 5 04:24:40 2009 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:24:40 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Specific Printer In-Reply-To: <68B8616EE6CC48A4BCF94F92C16C8837@MINSTER> References: <68B8616EE6CC48A4BCF94F92C16C8837@MINSTER> Message-ID: <38c884770902050224t4fca2facue88701fd01fbcd04@mail.gmail.com> Andy, Just cut some sample code from what I use, you will need to know what the name of the printer is called on the network, but may get you started (this is VB6, but don't see why it wouldn't work for you): Dim prnPrinter As Printer Dim strDeviceName As String strDeviceName = Printer.DeviceName bolFoundPrinter = False ' Loop through all printers to find specific one. For Each prnPrinter In Printers If (prnPrinter.DeviceName = "Network Zebra P110i USB Card Printer") Then ' Set printer as default to print the report. cSetPrinter.SetPrinterAsDefault ("Network Zebra P110i USB Card Printer") 'Print report here...... Exit For End If Next ' Reset default printer to the original one. For Each prnPrinter In Printers If (prnPrinter.DeviceName = strDeviceName) Then cSetPrinter.SetPrinterAsDefault (strDeviceName) Exit For End If Next Had to negotiate the roads, I need to go freelance lol... 2009/2/5 Andy Lacey > Hi folks > How do I supply an MDB with a report set to print to a specific printer > which I don't have? The report is used by several people in an office and > needs to print on their one colour printer which is not the default for any > of them. So it's a network printer and I'm not on their netowrk of course. > Can this be done, by code if necessary? > > Oh and this is A2K. > > Cheers > > Andy Lacey > > PS Deep snow today here. A very pretty English scene as long as you don't > have to try to negotiate the roads, which I don't tee hee. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Thu Feb 5 04:32:20 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 11:32:20 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Specific Printer Message-ID: Hi Andy You should be able to create a printer setup at your machine named exactly the same as at the client, and then set your report to use that specific printer. If you use anything else than the default paper size, you may get into trouble. /gustav >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 05-02-2009 11:12 >>> Hi folks How do I supply an MDB with a report set to print to a specific printer which I don't have? The report is used by several people in an office and needs to print on their one colour printer which is not the default for any of them. So it's a network printer and I'm not on their netowrk of course. Can this be done, by code if necessary? Oh and this is A2K. Cheers Andy Lacey PS Deep snow today here. A very pretty English scene as long as you don't have to try to negotiate the roads, which I don't tee hee. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Feb 5 04:49:36 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 05:49:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <498AC440.6040107@colbyconsulting.com> I think you need to do subreports. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Kaup, Chester wrote: > I have a report with 4 columns. The user wants the data sorted by the second column and then by the first column then sorted by the third column and the first column and then by the third column and the first column. I can get ti to sort by the second then third then fourth column but I cannot see how do do a subsort of the first column for ech of the other three column sorts. Hope this makes sense. Or do I need to use three sub reports? Thanks. > > > Chester Kaup > > Engineering Technician > > Kinder Morgan CO2 Company, LLP > > Office (432) 688-3797 > > FAX (432) 688-3799 > > > > > > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced. > From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:50:59 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:50:59 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Specific Printer In-Reply-To: <38c884770902050224t4fca2facue88701fd01fbcd04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0C6A6D3A26A948B6AEEC399D9144A747@MINSTER> Yes I know the printer name so I'll give this a try. Thanks Paul. (Yea I must say it's one of the upsides of being freelance. No boss to say "you didn't make the effort") Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: 05 February 2009 10:25 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Specific Printer Andy, Just cut some sample code from what I use, you will need to know what the name of the printer is called on the network, but may get you started (this is VB6, but don't see why it wouldn't work for you): Dim prnPrinter As Printer Dim strDeviceName As String strDeviceName = Printer.DeviceName bolFoundPrinter = False ' Loop through all printers to find specific one. For Each prnPrinter In Printers If (prnPrinter.DeviceName = "Network Zebra P110i USB Card Printer") Then ' Set printer as default to print the report. cSetPrinter.SetPrinterAsDefault ("Network Zebra P110i USB Card Printer") 'Print report here...... Exit For End If Next ' Reset default printer to the original one. For Each prnPrinter In Printers If (prnPrinter.DeviceName = strDeviceName) Then cSetPrinter.SetPrinterAsDefault (strDeviceName) Exit For End If Next Had to negotiate the roads, I need to go freelance lol... 2009/2/5 Andy Lacey > Hi folks > How do I supply an MDB with a report set to print to a specific > printer which I don't have? The report is used by several people in an > office and needs to print on their one colour printer which is not the > default for any of them. So it's a network printer and I'm not on > their netowrk of course. Can this be done, by code if necessary? > > Oh and this is A2K. > > Cheers > > Andy Lacey > > PS Deep snow today here. A very pretty English scene as long as you > don't have to try to negotiate the roads, which I don't tee hee. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:50:59 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:50:59 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Specific Printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <05B0DC0CF1FA40D5A815CB3289294D35@MINSTER> Yes I suppose I could do that. I'm going to give Paul's coded solution a try but if not I'll fall back on this. Thanks for the thought as ever Gustav. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 05 February 2009 10:32 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Specific Printer Hi Andy You should be able to create a printer setup at your machine named exactly the same as at the client, and then set your report to use that specific printer. If you use anything else than the default paper size, you may get into trouble. /gustav >>> andy at minstersystems.co.uk 05-02-2009 11:12 >>> Hi folks How do I supply an MDB with a report set to print to a specific printer which I don't have? The report is used by several people in an office and needs to print on their one colour printer which is not the default for any of them. So it's a network printer and I'm not on their netowrk of course. Can this be done, by code if necessary? Oh and this is A2K. Cheers Andy Lacey PS Deep snow today here. A very pretty English scene as long as you don't have to try to negotiate the roads, which I don't tee hee. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Feb 5 04:51:01 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:51:01 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Specific Printer In-Reply-To: <68B8616EE6CC48A4BCF94F92C16C8837@MINSTER> References: , <68B8616EE6CC48A4BCF94F92C16C8837@MINSTER> Message-ID: <498B5135.24200.26ADBC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> On 5 Feb 2009 at 10:12, Andy Lacey wrote: > Hi folks > How do I supply an MDB with a report set to print to a specific printer > which I don't have? The report is used by several people in an office and > needs to print on their one colour printer which is not the default for any > of them. So it's a network printer and I'm not on their netowrk of course. > Can this be done, by code if necessary? > > Oh and this is A2K. > Problem - the Printer object only came in in Access2002! I haven't got any examples, but try googling PrtDevMode and PrtDevNames - you will need to manipulate these to do it. > Cheers > > Andy Lacey > > PS Deep snow today here. A very pretty English scene as long as you don't > have to try to negotiate the roads, which I don't tee hee. So much for Global Warming :-) -- Stuart From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:53:40 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:53:40 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Specific Printer In-Reply-To: <38c884770902050224t4fca2facue88701fd01fbcd04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Actually Paul, now I look at it this is changing the default printer before printing rather than setting a specific report to that printer. Not sure I want to do that. Isn't that fraught with the danger of a printing error leaving the user's default printer set wrong? Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland Sent: 05 February 2009 10:25 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Specific Printer Andy, Just cut some sample code from what I use, you will need to know what the name of the printer is called on the network, but may get you started (this is VB6, but don't see why it wouldn't work for you): Dim prnPrinter As Printer Dim strDeviceName As String strDeviceName = Printer.DeviceName bolFoundPrinter = False ' Loop through all printers to find specific one. For Each prnPrinter In Printers If (prnPrinter.DeviceName = "Network Zebra P110i USB Card Printer") Then ' Set printer as default to print the report. cSetPrinter.SetPrinterAsDefault ("Network Zebra P110i USB Card Printer") 'Print report here...... Exit For End If Next ' Reset default printer to the original one. For Each prnPrinter In Printers If (prnPrinter.DeviceName = strDeviceName) Then cSetPrinter.SetPrinterAsDefault (strDeviceName) Exit For End If Next Had to negotiate the roads, I need to go freelance lol... 2009/2/5 Andy Lacey > Hi folks > How do I supply an MDB with a report set to print to a specific > printer which I don't have? The report is used by several people in an > office and needs to print on their one colour printer which is not the > default for any of them. So it's a network printer and I'm not on > their netowrk of course. Can this be done, by code if necessary? > > Oh and this is A2K. > > Cheers > > Andy Lacey > > PS Deep snow today here. A very pretty English scene as long as you > don't have to try to negotiate the roads, which I don't tee hee. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Feb 5 04:54:48 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:54:48 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Specific Printer In-Reply-To: <498B5135.24200.26ADBC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <702FC80E3C7C480CA772D0D65A366215@MINSTER> Oh God is it that stuff still in A2K? That's horrible. Think I'll go with Gustav's plan. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 05 February 2009 10:51 To: Andy Lacey; Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Specific Printer On 5 Feb 2009 at 10:12, Andy Lacey wrote: > Hi folks > How do I supply an MDB with a report set to print to a specific > printer which I don't have? The report is used by several people in an > office and needs to print on their one colour printer which is not the > default for any of them. So it's a network printer and I'm not on > their netowrk of course. Can this be done, by code if necessary? > > Oh and this is A2K. > Problem - the Printer object only came in in Access2002! I haven't got any examples, but try googling PrtDevMode and PrtDevNames - you will need to manipulate these to do it. > Cheers > > Andy Lacey > > PS Deep snow today here. A very pretty English scene as long as you > don't have to try to negotiate the roads, which I don't tee hee. So much for Global Warming :-) -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From paul.hartland at googlemail.com Thu Feb 5 05:08:40 2009 From: paul.hartland at googlemail.com (Paul Hartland) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:08:40 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Specific Printer In-Reply-To: References: <38c884770902050224t4fca2facue88701fd01fbcd04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38c884770902050308o15b70eb7w9e3dd8c78f2d67db@mail.gmail.com> You may have a point, although we haven't had any problems with it, and it's been on our main application for about 2 years now. Paul 2009/2/5 Andy Lacey > Actually Paul, now I look at it this is changing the default printer before > printing rather than setting a specific report to that printer. Not sure I > want to do that. Isn't that fraught with the danger of a printing error > leaving the user's default printer set wrong? > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Paul Hartland > Sent: 05 February 2009 10:25 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Specific Printer > > > Andy, > > Just cut some sample code from what I use, you will need to know what the > name of the printer is called on the network, but may get you started (this > is VB6, but don't see why it wouldn't work for you): > > Dim prnPrinter As Printer > Dim strDeviceName As String > > > strDeviceName = Printer.DeviceName > bolFoundPrinter = False > ' Loop through all printers to find specific one. > For Each prnPrinter In Printers > If (prnPrinter.DeviceName = "Network Zebra P110i USB Card Printer") > Then > ' Set printer as default to print the report. > cSetPrinter.SetPrinterAsDefault ("Network Zebra P110i USB Card > Printer") > 'Print report here...... > Exit For > End If > Next > > ' Reset default printer to the original one. > For Each prnPrinter In Printers > If (prnPrinter.DeviceName = strDeviceName) Then > cSetPrinter.SetPrinterAsDefault (strDeviceName) > Exit For > End If > Next > > Had to negotiate the roads, I need to go freelance lol... > > 2009/2/5 Andy Lacey > > > Hi folks > > How do I supply an MDB with a report set to print to a specific > > printer which I don't have? The report is used by several people in an > > office and needs to print on their one colour printer which is not the > > default for any of them. So it's a network printer and I'm not on > > their netowrk of course. Can this be done, by code if necessary? > > > > Oh and this is A2K. > > > > Cheers > > > > Andy Lacey > > > > PS Deep snow today here. A very pretty English scene as long as you > > don't have to try to negotiate the roads, which I don't tee hee. > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > > -- > Paul Hartland > paul.hartland at googlemail.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Paul Hartland paul.hartland at googlemail.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 05:11:08 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Denis Sherman) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:11:08 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <702FC80E3C7C480CA772D0D65A366215@MINSTER> References: <498B5135.24200.26ADBC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <702FC80E3C7C480CA772D0D65A366215@MINSTER> Message-ID: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> Always remember this: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing! Lady rings her local hospital and this conversation follows: Lady - Hello, I'd like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. She was admitted last week with chest pains and I just want to know if here condition has deteriorated, stabilised or improved? Hospital - Do you know which ward she is in? Lady - Yes, Ward P room 2B Hospital - I'll just put you through to the nurse station Lady - I would like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. I was wondering if her condition had deteriorated. stabilised or improved? Nurse - I'll just check her notes. I'm pleased to say that Mrs Tiptree's condition has improved. She has regained her appetite, her temperature has steadied and after some routine checks tonight, she should be well enough to go home tomorrow. Lady - Oh that's wonderful news. I'm so happy, thank you very much! Nurse - You seem very relieved. A\re you a close friend or relative? Lady - No, I'm Mrs Tiptree inn room 2B. Nobody tells you f***k all in here......... TGIF Max From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 05:32:11 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:32:11 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <4E25B80140564895A3FD6218729C894A@HAL9005> References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> <4E25B80140564895A3FD6218729C894A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <498ace4b.0856100a.19c4.ffff9033@mx.google.com> Might be worth asking WHY and then you may get the chance to suggest alternatives. That is the difference between Analysts and Programmers Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 February 2009 23:07 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right I don't know. Client requests it. I do it. :) Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right But Rocky, why would you show a decimal point at all if you aren't going to show the decimal places? That doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 05:42:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:42:51 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: <4D2AA4F159D24AB0893241BD836B5144@murphy3234aaf1> <4989efd5.0616300a.4075.ffffd43e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498ad0ca.0b9e100a.6eb9.ffff9d71@mx.google.com> No Steve, I am not kidding. If I write a program in whatever language (it matters not which language) to do a task then that is the job done. End of! Depending on the language interface (ala Access) the implementation of the task can be easy or difficult but regardless of which, it still only does the same job/task. Ie. A form to capture data and a report to output the captured data. For me, a simple task in 2003 and hideous in 2007. For you perhaps easy but the task is the same. But the 2007 will do no more that what 2003 does. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 04 February 2009 20:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Training Records Database Max, -------------------------------------------------- From: "Max Wanadoo" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:43 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Training Records Database > ... 2007 'cos it is > so stupidly cumbersome to navigate I can understand (though don't agree with) this sentiment. > and at the end of the day, it does no > more than 2003. But this, I can't believe. Oh dear, have you had a serious look? Does no more than 2003... you're kidding, right? Regards Steve -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 05:47:07 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:47:07 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! In-Reply-To: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> References: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> Message-ID: <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com> I am astounded, nay more than that. I would say my flabber is ghasted! Not a single mention of Truecrypt. Sheeshh...you guys! No wonder there is so much data lost. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 04 February 2009 19:06 To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=497&alertspromo=100907&tag=nl. rSINGLE Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Feb 5 06:50:43 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:50:43 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> Love it....but it's only Thursday by my calendar, although if you're in NZ then maybe. Whatever happened to Friday OT anyway? Oh I remember. So many people found so many jokes offensive for one reason or another everyone got fed up of posting them. Sigh. Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Denis Sherman Sent: 05 February 2009 11:11 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Always remember this: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing! Lady rings her local hospital and this conversation follows: Lady - Hello, I'd like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. She was admitted last week with chest pains and I just want to know if here condition has deteriorated, stabilised or improved? Hospital - Do you know which ward she is in? Lady - Yes, Ward P room 2B Hospital - I'll just put you through to the nurse station Lady - I would like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. I was wondering if her condition had deteriorated. stabilised or improved? Nurse - I'll just check her notes. I'm pleased to say that Mrs Tiptree's condition has improved. She has regained her appetite, her temperature has steadied and after some routine checks tonight, she should be well enough to go home tomorrow. Lady - Oh that's wonderful news. I'm so happy, thank you very much! Nurse - You seem very relieved. A\re you a close friend or relative? Lady - No, I'm Mrs Tiptree inn room 2B. Nobody tells you f***k all in here......... TGIF Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 07:58:03 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:58:03 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> References: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> <2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> Message-ID: <498af06e.09a8100a.3a88.6c02@mx.google.com> Oh good. That means I get another Friday tomorrow! Brilliant Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 05 February 2009 12:51 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Love it....but it's only Thursday by my calendar, although if you're in NZ then maybe. Whatever happened to Friday OT anyway? Oh I remember. So many people found so many jokes offensive for one reason or another everyone got fed up of posting them. Sigh. Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Denis Sherman Sent: 05 February 2009 11:11 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Always remember this: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing! Lady rings her local hospital and this conversation follows: Lady - Hello, I'd like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. She was admitted last week with chest pains and I just want to know if here condition has deteriorated, stabilised or improved? Hospital - Do you know which ward she is in? Lady - Yes, Ward P room 2B Hospital - I'll just put you through to the nurse station Lady - I would like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. I was wondering if her condition had deteriorated. stabilised or improved? Nurse - I'll just check her notes. I'm pleased to say that Mrs Tiptree's condition has improved. She has regained her appetite, her temperature has steadied and after some routine checks tonight, she should be well enough to go home tomorrow. Lady - Oh that's wonderful news. I'm so happy, thank you very much! Nurse - You seem very relieved. A\re you a close friend or relative? Lady - No, I'm Mrs Tiptree inn room 2B. Nobody tells you f***k all in here......... TGIF Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Thu Feb 5 08:19:57 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:19:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> Message-ID: Rocky, Just tested this in Access 2002. On a bound form, I set up a textbox bound to a double type field in a table. In the textbox's Format property I typed in just the two characters "0." - no quotes. And that does the job. 111.12 displays as 111. I then added a new record using the form and entered 1112.21 in the text box. That value was stored in the table, but on returning to the record, it displays as "1112." Seems to fit the bill. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Lambert: In your example the 111.12 is the value to be displayed and should display 111. yes? But since this is a bound text box I'm not sure where to enter format(111.12,"0.") and I'd have to substitute the bound field name for 111.12. Right? Thanks for hanging in there with me. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Like this? format(111.12,"0.") Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Feb 5 08:28:41 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 08:28:41 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report In-Reply-To: <0D72ED2BFB7B4A469287374BCB056327@stevePC> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <625E8412773C4406B673E632DC88D358@stevePC> <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E32@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <0D72ED2BFB7B4A469287374BCB056327@stevePC> Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705EB7@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Here are the grouping and sorting criteria I used [DayCount1000] & [WellName] Descending [DayCount500] & [WellName] Descending [DayCount200] & [WellName] Descending The WellNames that had a value for DayCount1000 appeared at the top of the report sorted by WellName. The remainder of the data appeared below sorted by WellName. No sorting occurred on DayCount500 or DayCount200. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting in a report Can you expand on that idea, Chester? Can you say what you did, and what the outcome was, and how the outcome differed from what you wanted? Thanks. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaup, Chester" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:54 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting in a report > Sorry but does not work. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Feb 5 08:52:40 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:52:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> <4E25B80140564895A3FD6218729C894A@HAL9005> Message-ID: <498AFD38.9030808@colbyconsulting.com> Amen! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com William Hindman wrote: > ...Lesson #1 in how to survive as an independent Access developer. :) > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:06 PM > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right > >> I don't know. Client requests it. I do it. :) >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:03 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right >> >> But Rocky, why would you show a decimal point at all if you aren't going >> to >> show the decimal places? That doesn't make any kind of sense to me. >> >> Charlotte Foust >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at >> Beach Access Software >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:07 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right >> >> The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to >> display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two >> arguments >> for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a >> continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not >> sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal >> point >> without the decimals fractions. >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> www.bchacc.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right >> >> ? format(111&,"0.#") >> 111. >> >> Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified >> integers. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right >> >> Hi Lambert >> >>> Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) >> Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. >> >> /gustav >> >>>>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> >> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it >> to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") >> 111.1 >> >> This shows no decimal places... >> ? format(111.12,"0.") >> 111. >> >> Lambert >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Feb 5 08:54:55 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:54:55 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <498AFDBF.8060807@colbyconsulting.com> All of this to get rid of something that should be directly programmatically manipulatable. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com William Hindman wrote: > "SendKeys"????????? > > ...shakes head ...returns to A2K3 :( > > ...sorry Stu, just couldn't help myself :) > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:14 PM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > >> Rocky! >> >> This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off the >> ribbons >> programmatically" >> >> Here's what I posted then: >> My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably because of >> different screen >> resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like it will always be above/below >> 100 so this should work >> anywhere. It certainly works for me: >> >> Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean >> RibbonMinimized = Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 >> End Function >> >> The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon :-) >> >> Function HideRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo >> End Function >> >> Function ShowRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes >> End Function >> >> Function MinimizeRibbon() >> If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> Function MaximizeRibbon() >> If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Feb 5 08:57:44 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 09:57:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Training Records Database In-Reply-To: References: <4989e51d.0c53300a.52cc.ffffc18f@mx.google.com> <498A2E4B.30509@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498AFE68.2080104@colbyconsulting.com> Nope, they just hire eight graders as interns. Something about "getting a jump on the workplace". ;-) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com William Hindman wrote: > "ROTFL. Not impressed with their summer interns?" jc > > ...did they upgrade their sample writing staff and not warn me? > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "jwcolby" > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:09 PM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Training Records Database > >>> As for looking at MS site, I was hoping to get something GOOD. LOL >> ROTFL. Not impressed with their summer interns? >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> Bryan Carbonnell wrote: >>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Max Wanadoo >>> wrote: >>>> Bit of a long shot Bryan, >>>> But did northwind not come with something similar. Also have you tried >>>> the >>>> MS site. >>> AFAIK, Northwind didn't have anything like this, but I could be wrong. >>> >>> As for looking at MS site, I was hoping to get something GOOD. LOL >>> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Feb 5 09:07:11 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:07:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! In-Reply-To: <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com> References: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498B009F.7040705@colbyconsulting.com> I don't travel much. I used to use TrueCrypt (still have it) but when I got my Dell laptop I went with full disk encryption using the OS. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > I am astounded, nay more than that. I would say my flabber is ghasted! > > Not a single mention of Truecrypt. > > Sheeshh...you guys! No wonder there is so much data lost. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 04 February 2009 19:06 > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! > > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=497&alertspromo=100907&tag=nl. > rSINGLE > > Susan H. > From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 09:13:30 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:13:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! References: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There's one in every room... ;) Susan H. >I am astounded, nay more than that. I would say my flabber is ghasted! > > Not a single mention of Truecrypt. > > Sheeshh...you guys! No wonder there is so much data lost. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 5 09:14:27 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:14:27 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: <498ace4b.0856100a.19c4.ffff9033@mx.google.com> References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> <4E25B80140564895A3FD6218729C894A@HAL9005> <498ace4b.0856100a.19c4.ffff9033@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0409C657EDE542AEBEC5E863663E2EEE@HAL9005> I find it is often better to let the user see what they think will work well then after they see it, do it again with what they know will work well. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:32 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Might be worth asking WHY and then you may get the chance to suggest alternatives. That is the difference between Analysts and Programmers Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 04 February 2009 23:07 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right I don't know. Client requests it. I do it. :) Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:03 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right But Rocky, why would you show a decimal point at all if you aren't going to show the decimal places? That doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 5 09:17:02 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:17:02 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right In-Reply-To: References: <2DB9B45749164C5794DD9414DB5C9B5F@HAL9005> Message-ID: <7AE35AA208EC4379AC82721AEFEAB07C@HAL9005> Lambert: Yeah it worked after I changed the Decimal Places property from0 back to Auto. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:20 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Rocky, Just tested this in Access 2002. On a bound form, I set up a textbox bound to a double type field in a table. In the textbox's Format property I typed in just the two characters "0." - no quotes. And that does the job. 111.12 displays as 111. I then added a new record using the form and entered 1112.21 in the text box. That value was stored in the table, but on returning to the record, it displays as "1112." Seems to fit the bill. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:48 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Lambert: In your example the 111.12 is the value to be displayed and should display 111. yes? But since this is a bound text box I'm not sure where to enter format(111.12,"0.") and I'd have to substitute the bound field name for 111.12. Right? Thanks for hanging in there with me. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Like this? format(111.12,"0.") Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:07 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right The field is a double but the user doesn't want the decimal places to display. The format example has the value and the mask as the two arguments for the format. But in this case the value is in a bound text box on a continuous form. So I can't use the Format on the control source. So not sure how to get the text box to show the whole number plus the decimal point without the decimals fractions. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:01 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right ? format(111&,"0.#") 111. Too true. Works for integer types, though not sure if Rocky specified integers. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:46 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Decimal point with no places to the right Hi Lambert > Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) Yes, but none for an Integer - that I understood was the issue. /gustav >>> Lambert.Heenan at aig.com 04-02-2009 19:23 >>> Gustav? Your format string shows one decimal place (as I would expect it to) ? format(111.12,"0.#") 111.1 This shows no decimal places... ? format(111.12,"0.") 111. Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 5 09:21:09 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 07:21:09 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: <498AFDBF.8060807@colbyconsulting.com> References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <498AFDBF.8060807@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <42309DCB27A9474AB2A824D3B8CC1DAD@HAL9005> Agree. In A2003 I never saw anything that could be done through the toolbars or otherwise, that could not be done in VBA using one or another object model. This seems to be a real basic difference in 2007. Why would the ribbon be exempted from programmatic manipulation. Why no Application.Ribbon. Or a DoCmd.Ribbon? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:55 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon All of this to get rid of something that should be directly programmatically manipulatable. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com William Hindman wrote: > "SendKeys"????????? > > ...shakes head ...returns to A2K3 :( > > ...sorry Stu, just couldn't help myself :) > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:14 PM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > >> Rocky! >> >> This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off >> the ribbons programmatically" >> >> Here's what I posted then: >> My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably >> because of different screen resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like >> it will always be above/below 100 so this should work anywhere. It >> certainly works for me: >> >> Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean RibbonMinimized = >> Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 End Function >> >> The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon >> :-) >> >> Function HideRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo End Function >> >> Function ShowRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes End Function >> >> Function MinimizeRibbon() >> If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> Function MaximizeRibbon() >> If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 09:38:25 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:38:25 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! In-Reply-To: <498B009F.7040705@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com> <498B009F.7040705@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498b07f7.0ec5100a.73ba.ffffd7b5@mx.google.com> Actually, it was you (JC) that introduced me to Truecrypt. I use it extensively now at work and home and on my memory-sticks. Great program and totally free. Mucho Gracias... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 05 February 2009 15:07 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! I don't travel much. I used to use TrueCrypt (still have it) but when I got my Dell laptop I went with full disk encryption using the OS. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > I am astounded, nay more than that. I would say my flabber is ghasted! > > Not a single mention of Truecrypt. > > Sheeshh...you guys! No wonder there is so much data lost. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 04 February 2009 19:06 > To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! > > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=497&alertspromo=100907&tag=nl. > rSINGLE > > Susan H. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 09:45:56 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:45:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! References: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com><498B009F.7040705@colbyconsulting.com> <498b07f7.0ec5100a.73ba.ffffd7b5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You should post to the blog Max! :) Susan H. > Actually, it was you (JC) that introduced me to Truecrypt. I use it > extensively now at work and home and on my memory-sticks. > > Great program and totally free. > > Mucho Gracias... From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 09:54:36 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 15:54:36 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! In-Reply-To: References: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com><498B009F.7040705@colbyconsulting.com> <498b07f7.0ec5100a.73ba.ffffd7b5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498b0bc1.096c100a.1eaa.7dda@mx.google.com> Hi Susan, What blog are you referring to? Ta Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 05 February 2009 15:46 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! You should post to the blog Max! :) Susan H. > Actually, it was you (JC) that introduced me to Truecrypt. I use it > extensively now at work and home and on my memory-sticks. > > Great program and totally free. > > Mucho Gracias... -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Feb 5 09:58:22 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:58:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! In-Reply-To: <498b07f7.0ec5100a.73ba.ffffd7b5@mx.google.com> References: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com> <498B009F.7040705@colbyconsulting.com> <498b07f7.0ec5100a.73ba.ffffd7b5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498B0C9E.7000803@colbyconsulting.com> It is a great program, and really great for carrying sensitive data on memory sticks and the like. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Actually, it was you (JC) that introduced me to Truecrypt. I use it > extensively now at work and home and on my memory-sticks. > > Great program and totally free. > > Mucho Gracias... > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 05 February 2009 15:07 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! > > I don't travel much. I used to use TrueCrypt (still have it) but when I got > my Dell laptop I went > with full disk encryption using the OS. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> I am astounded, nay more than that. I would say my flabber is ghasted! >> >> Not a single mention of Truecrypt. >> >> Sheeshh...you guys! No wonder there is so much data lost. >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins >> Sent: 04 February 2009 19:06 >> To: AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! >> >> > http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=497&alertspromo=100907&tag=nl. >> rSINGLE >> >> Susan H. >> From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:11:57 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:11:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! References: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com><498B009F.7040705@colbyconsulting.com> <498b07f7.0ec5100a.73ba.ffffd7b5@mx.google.com> <498b0bc1.096c100a.1eaa.7dda@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <90DE5610F77B468A8DDC501A8814A382@SusanOne> The original article -- you can post responses to it. It's actually a blog format. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/ Susan H. > Hi Susan, > What blog are you referring to? > Ta > Max From jimdettman at verizon.net Thu Feb 5 09:38:21 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:38:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: <42309DCB27A9474AB2A824D3B8CC1DAD@HAL9005> References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <498AFDBF.8060807@colbyconsulting.com> <42309DCB27A9474AB2A824D3B8CC1DAD@HAL9005> Message-ID: <18EBFDB9D9784D1D99839599E4C55993@XPS> << Why would the ribbon be exempted from programmatic manipulation. Why no Application.Ribbon. Or a DoCmd.Ribbon?>> That's because despite any overtures made, Microsoft does not consider Access to be a professional development tool; user features first and foremost always. Development features are always secondary. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:21 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon Agree. In A2003 I never saw anything that could be done through the toolbars or otherwise, that could not be done in VBA using one or another object model. This seems to be a real basic difference in 2007. Why would the ribbon be exempted from programmatic manipulation. Why no Application.Ribbon. Or a DoCmd.Ribbon? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:55 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon All of this to get rid of something that should be directly programmatically manipulatable. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com William Hindman wrote: > "SendKeys"????????? > > ...shakes head ...returns to A2K3 :( > > ...sorry Stu, just couldn't help myself :) > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:14 PM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > >> Rocky! >> >> This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off >> the ribbons programmatically" >> >> Here's what I posted then: >> My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably >> because of different screen resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like >> it will always be above/below 100 so this should work anywhere. It >> certainly works for me: >> >> Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean RibbonMinimized = >> Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 End Function >> >> The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon >> :-) >> >> Function HideRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo End Function >> >> Function ShowRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes End Function >> >> Function MinimizeRibbon() >> If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> Function MaximizeRibbon() >> If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From joe.rojas at symmetrynb.com Thu Feb 5 10:27:27 2009 From: joe.rojas at symmetrynb.com (Rojas, Joe) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:27:27 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6DB3@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> Message-ID: <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6EEF@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> Thanks Mark! Your suggestion leaded me to the answer. Not sure why I didn't just filter in the query as opposed to linking to a local table. Forest from the trees syndrome I guess. Joe -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:49 PM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Query I have the same issue when pulling data via ODBC...I have found it is much quicker to NOT join a local table to a linked ODBC...just my opinion. Any reason you can't do the filtering in one SQL statement.(see sample below) Good Luck, Mark A. Matte SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost FROM PUB_JobOper,PUB_LaborDtl WHERE PUB_JobOper.JobNum=PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum and PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' and ((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd]); ---------------------------------------- > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:06:09 -0500 > From: joe.rojas at symmetrynb.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query > > Hi All, > > I am trying to pull data into Access from our ERP system that runs off > of a Progress OpenEdge database. > The problem I'm having is that the query takes a long time to > run...around 20 mins. > I think the problem is related to how I've designed the query and I'm > hoping someone can point out my error. > > I'm connecting to OpenEdge via ODBC. I've linked to the tables I need in > Access. > I've pasted the SQL for the queries below. > The first query runs pretty quick. It pulles data from one of the tables > based on date range and inserts the records into a local table in > Access. > The second query is the one that has the problem. I created a query in > Access that pulls data from another table in OpenEdge that has a WHERE > clause that uses the IN statement. The IN statement uses a sub query to > get the distinct job numbers from the local table that was created in > the first query. > The sub query could return many job numbers depending on the span in the > date range for the first query. > By many, I mean it could be 10, 100, 1000, or more. > > My guess is that the sub query could be the problem. > When I run the query, the CPU spikes to 100% for MSACESS but the network > traffic indicates that it's not actually pulling data the whole time. > > Is there an alternate method to achieving my goal? > > Tables in my query that have a 'tbl' prefix are local tables. Tables > with a 'PUB' prefix are link ODBC tables. > > Query 1 (runs in seconds) > INSERT INTO tblLaborDtl ( Company, EmployeeNum, JobNum, OprSeq, > ResourceGrpID, ScrapQty, ResourceID, ClockInDate, LaborDtlSeq, > ScrapReasonCode ) > SELECT PUB_LaborDtl.Company, PUB_LaborDtl.EmployeeNum, > PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum, PUB_LaborDtl.OprSeq, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceGrpID, > PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapQty, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceID, > PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate, PUB_LaborDtl.LaborDtlSeq, > PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapReasonCode > FROM PUB_LaborDtl > WHERE (((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd])); > > Query 2 (take 20 mins) > INSERT INTO tblJobOper ( Company, JobNum, OprSeq, OpCode, SubContract, > ActBurCost, ActLabCost ) > SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, > PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, > PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost > FROM PUB_JobOper > WHERE PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' AND PUB_JobOper.JobNum In (SELECT > DISTINCT tblLaborDtl.JobNum FROM tblLaborDtl); > > Joe > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 10:52:41 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:52:41 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! In-Reply-To: <90DE5610F77B468A8DDC501A8814A382@SusanOne> References: <9D5E2D9F415C4941A1688AD4FD9D27A2@SusanOne> <498ad1ca.0b9e100a.6de5.513e@mx.google.com><498B009F.7040705@colbyconsulting.com> <498b07f7.0ec5100a.73ba.ffffd7b5@mx.google.com> <498b0bc1.096c100a.1eaa.7dda@mx.google.com> <90DE5610F77B468A8DDC501A8814A382@SusanOne> Message-ID: <498b19f1.0b9e100a.6eb9.fffff46e@mx.google.com> Ok, done that. Ta Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 05 February 2009 16:12 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Thanks Guys! The original article -- you can post responses to it. It's actually a blog format. http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/ Susan H. > Hi Susan, > What blog are you referring to? > Ta > Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Thu Feb 5 10:58:18 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:58:18 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> References: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> <2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> Message-ID: I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Love it....but it's only Thursday by my calendar, although if you're in NZ then maybe. Whatever happened to Friday OT anyway? Oh I remember. So many people found so many jokes offensive for one reason or another everyone got fed up of posting them. Sigh. Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Denis Sherman Sent: 05 February 2009 11:11 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Always remember this: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing! Lady rings her local hospital and this conversation follows: Lady - Hello, I'd like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. She was admitted last week with chest pains and I just want to know if here condition has deteriorated, stabilised or improved? Hospital - Do you know which ward she is in? Lady - Yes, Ward P room 2B Hospital - I'll just put you through to the nurse station Lady - I would like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. I was wondering if her condition had deteriorated. stabilised or improved? Nurse - I'll just check her notes. I'm pleased to say that Mrs Tiptree's condition has improved. She has regained her appetite, her temperature has steadied and after some routine checks tonight, she should be well enough to go home tomorrow. Lady - Oh that's wonderful news. I'm so happy, thank you very much! Nurse - You seem very relieved. A\re you a close friend or relative? Lady - No, I'm Mrs Tiptree inn room 2B. Nobody tells you f***k all in here......... TGIF Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Feb 5 11:11:04 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:11:04 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I agree Drew. As moderator I'm going to ban such insensitive behaviour in future. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 05 February 2009 16:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Love it....but it's only Thursday by my calendar, although if you're in NZ then maybe. Whatever happened to Friday OT anyway? Oh I remember. So many people found so many jokes offensive for one reason or another everyone got fed up of posting them. Sigh. Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Denis Sherman Sent: 05 February 2009 11:11 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Always remember this: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing! Lady rings her local hospital and this conversation follows: Lady - Hello, I'd like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. She was admitted last week with chest pains and I just want to know if here condition has deteriorated, stabilised or improved? Hospital - Do you know which ward she is in? Lady - Yes, Ward P room 2B Hospital - I'll just put you through to the nurse station Lady - I would like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. I was wondering if her condition had deteriorated. stabilised or improved? Nurse - I'll just check her notes. I'm pleased to say that Mrs Tiptree's condition has improved. She has regained her appetite, her temperature has steadied and after some routine checks tonight, she should be well enough to go home tomorrow. Lady - Oh that's wonderful news. I'm so happy, thank you very much! Nurse - You seem very relieved. A\re you a close friend or relative? Lady - No, I'm Mrs Tiptree inn room 2B. Nobody tells you f***k all in here......... TGIF Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From carbonnb at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 11:19:25 2009 From: carbonnb at gmail.com (Bryan Carbonnell) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 12:19:25 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Andy Lacey wrote: > I agree Drew. As moderator I'm going to ban such insensitive behaviour in > future. As listmaster I'll back you up on that one Andy. Cause it JUST dawned on me what the whole issue was, even though I read you post. -- Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "What a great ride!" From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Thu Feb 5 11:20:52 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:20:52 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a board member, I think we need to petition the UN to allow an annual 'AccessD Declared Weekend'. Thus if a majority of AccessD feels that it should be Friday, it IS Friday! We could eliminate leap years this way, and think of all the SQL Server weenies we could piss off by changing the day of the week on a whim! The Access Dev team would have a patch out in a week (though it would probably come with the latest 'ribbon' interface!) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday I agree Drew. As moderator I'm going to ban such insensitive behaviour in future. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 05 February 2009 16:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! ;) Drew The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 11:43:17 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:43:17 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498b2545.096c100a.7f39.52ec@mx.google.com> Oh yeah! Go ahead and try it....I dare you. My dad is bigger than your dad.... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 05 February 2009 17:11 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday I agree Drew. As moderator I'm going to ban such insensitive behaviour in future. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 05 February 2009 16:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Love it....but it's only Thursday by my calendar, although if you're in NZ then maybe. Whatever happened to Friday OT anyway? Oh I remember. So many people found so many jokes offensive for one reason or another everyone got fed up of posting them. Sigh. Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Denis Sherman Sent: 05 February 2009 11:11 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Always remember this: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing! Lady rings her local hospital and this conversation follows: Lady - Hello, I'd like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. She was admitted last week with chest pains and I just want to know if here condition has deteriorated, stabilised or improved? Hospital - Do you know which ward she is in? Lady - Yes, Ward P room 2B Hospital - I'll just put you through to the nurse station Lady - I would like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. I was wondering if her condition had deteriorated. stabilised or improved? Nurse - I'll just check her notes. I'm pleased to say that Mrs Tiptree's condition has improved. She has regained her appetite, her temperature has steadied and after some routine checks tonight, she should be well enough to go home tomorrow. Lady - Oh that's wonderful news. I'm so happy, thank you very much! Nurse - You seem very relieved. A\re you a close friend or relative? Lady - No, I'm Mrs Tiptree inn room 2B. Nobody tells you f***k all in here......... TGIF Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 11:43:17 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:43:17 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: References: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> <2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> Message-ID: <498b254d.096c100a.7f39.52f1@mx.google.com> Yes, but just think. You can wake up tomorrow and have ANOTHER warm and fuzzy feeling. Two in one week - now that's not bad! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: 05 February 2009 16:58 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:51 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Love it....but it's only Thursday by my calendar, although if you're in NZ then maybe. Whatever happened to Friday OT anyway? Oh I remember. So many people found so many jokes offensive for one reason or another everyone got fed up of posting them. Sigh. Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Denis Sherman Sent: 05 February 2009 11:11 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Always remember this: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing! Lady rings her local hospital and this conversation follows: Lady - Hello, I'd like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. She was admitted last week with chest pains and I just want to know if here condition has deteriorated, stabilised or improved? Hospital - Do you know which ward she is in? Lady - Yes, Ward P room 2B Hospital - I'll just put you through to the nurse station Lady - I would like some information on a patient, Mrs Tiptree. I was wondering if her condition had deteriorated. stabilised or improved? Nurse - I'll just check her notes. I'm pleased to say that Mrs Tiptree's condition has improved. She has regained her appetite, her temperature has steadied and after some routine checks tonight, she should be well enough to go home tomorrow. Lady - Oh that's wonderful news. I'm so happy, thank you very much! Nurse - You seem very relieved. A\re you a close friend or relative? Lady - No, I'm Mrs Tiptree inn room 2B. Nobody tells you f***k all in here......... TGIF Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Thu Feb 5 12:45:20 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:45:20 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: References: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> <2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> Message-ID: Whereas for me, where it *is* Friday, it is so good, for once, to not feel like I must have missed something. :-) Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Drew Wutka" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:58 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to seeing > an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the warm and > fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... > > Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! > From miscellany at mvps.org Thu Feb 5 12:49:12 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 07:49:12 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report In-Reply-To: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705EB7@houex1.kindermorgan.com> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <625E8412773C4406B673E632DC88D358@stevePC> <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E32@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <0D72ED2BFB7B4A469287374BCB056327@stevePC> <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705EB7@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Message-ID: <3F3F607E3DA343D7A0A23CFDAF09BD72@stevePC> Chester, For an expression to work in the Sorting & Grouping, you need to put the = in front, e.g. =[DayCount1000] & [WellName] Also, if one of the fields is a number, I think the result of the overall expression will be a string, so you might need to do something like: =Format([DayCount1000],"0000") & [WellName] Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaup, Chester" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:28 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting in a report > Here are the grouping and sorting criteria I used > [DayCount1000] & [WellName] Descending > [DayCount500] & [WellName] Descending > [DayCount200] & [WellName] Descending > The WellNames that had a value for DayCount1000 appeared at the top of the > report sorted by WellName. The remainder of the data appeared below sorted > by WellName. No sorting occurred on DayCount500 or DayCount200. > From dw-murphy at cox.net Thu Feb 5 12:51:17 2009 From: dw-murphy at cox.net (Doug Murphy) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:51:17 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] SQL Server ODBC optimization In-Reply-To: <498b254d.096c100a.7f39.52f1@mx.google.com> References: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> <2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> <498b254d.096c100a.7f39.52f1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7D8C52FD13D34319964E591EEFD1E905@murphy3234aaf1> Folks, I am know that there are some design guidelines that should be followed with designing a system with an Access front end connected to a SQL Server back end via ODBC to obtain good performance. I know this is a pretty broad question, but could any of you folks who do this on a regular basis provide a list of the techniques and design approaches you follow? I am not looking for a treatise on the subject just a list of items to be aware of and good design practices. Thanks in advance. Doug From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 5 12:54:17 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:54:17 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Stuart: Well, dang. It doesn't work. I put Call MinimizeRibbon in the _Open event, but the ribbon ended up maximized anyway. SO I moved it right at the end of the _Open event on the theory that maybe some of the housekeeping (resizing the form, maximizing the form, etc.) was affecting the ribbon. But no soap. So I moved it to the _Activate event. Same result. So I put MsgBox RibbonMinimized in the RibbonMinimized Function to see what the value was on the call. With the Call to MinimizeRibbon in the Activate event, it gets called 3 times. Each time the value of RibbonMinimized is True and the ribbon is indeed minimized. Then right at the end of the opening process, the ribbon re-appears. Ctrl-F1 from the keyboard toggles the ribbon nicely. And the code looks like it should work. And I stepped through it just to see what it was doing. Any ideas what's going on? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:15 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon Rocky! This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off the ribbons programmatically" Here's what I posted then: My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably because of different screen resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like it will always be above/below 100 so this should work anywhere. It certainly works for me: Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean RibbonMinimized = Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 End Function The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon :-) Function HideRibbon() DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo End Function Function ShowRibbon() DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes End Function Function MinimizeRibbon() If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" End If End Function Function MaximizeRibbon() If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" End If End Function -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 12:54:41 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 18:54:41 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: References: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> <2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> Message-ID: <498b3618.0c92100a.5588.6a7c@mx.google.com> Well Steve, as it is Friday in Oz but not yet here in BritLand could I ask you to post this tomorrow. I don't want to get into trouble by posting it now. Max In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University . On a hike through the bush, he came across a certain age bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Peter approached it very carefully. He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot. The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments. Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away. Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day. Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenage son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Peter and his son Cameron were standing. The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man. Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter could not help wondering if this was the same elephant. Peter summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly. Probably wasn't the same effing elephant.. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 05 February 2009 18:45 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Whereas for me, where it *is* Friday, it is so good, for once, to not feel like I must have missed something. :-) Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Drew Wutka" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:58 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to seeing > an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the warm and > fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... > > Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 12:57:30 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:57:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday References: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com><2F34272CEF384278A971757166FC0425@MINSTER> Message-ID: <64D5EC5F36CB427B863D9BB07457BA0E@SusanOne> > > Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! ======I thought yesterday was Tuesday -- didn't get corrected until we climbed into bed and the TV was discussion school closings for Thursday... "Huh????," I said to the dh, who happened to know what day it really was (he's in military SA, I guess he has to know). Susan H. From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Feb 5 13:23:06 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:23:06 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <498b3618.0c92100a.5588.6a7c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You're not the messiah you're a very naughty boy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 February 2009 18:55 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Well Steve, as it is Friday in Oz but not yet here in BritLand could I ask you to post this tomorrow. I don't want to get into trouble by posting it now. Max In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University . On a hike through the bush, he came across a certain age bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Peter approached it very carefully. He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot. The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments. Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away. Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day. Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenage son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Peter and his son Cameron were standing. The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man. Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter could not help wondering if this was the same elephant. Peter summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly. Probably wasn't the same effing elephant.. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 05 February 2009 18:45 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Whereas for me, where it *is* Friday, it is so good, for once, to not feel like I must have missed something. :-) Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Drew Wutka" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:58 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to > seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the > warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... > > Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Feb 5 13:27:22 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:27:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <498B3D9A.4050101@colbyconsulting.com> > Any ideas what's going on? Simple really, MS is DAMNED PROUD of their ribbon and is making sure that you see it! They spent several million dollars on usability studies to make sure that the ribbon was useful to power users and spent about another 10 million or so to make sure that it was truly annoying to developers, and they aren't about to let their investment slip through their fingers! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Stuart: > > Well, dang. It doesn't work. I put Call MinimizeRibbon in the _Open event, > but the ribbon ended up maximized anyway. SO I moved it right at the end > of the _Open event on the theory that maybe some of the housekeeping > (resizing the form, maximizing the form, etc.) was affecting the ribbon. > But no soap. > > So I moved it to the _Activate event. Same result. So I put MsgBox > RibbonMinimized in the RibbonMinimized Function to see what the value was on > the call. With the Call to MinimizeRibbon in the Activate event, it gets > called 3 times. Each time the value of RibbonMinimized is True and the > ribbon is indeed minimized. > > Then right at the end of the opening process, the ribbon re-appears. > > Ctrl-F1 from the keyboard toggles the ribbon nicely. And the code looks > like it should work. And I stepped through it just to see what it was > doing. > > Any ideas what's going on? > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 13:30:33 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:30:33 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: References: <498b3618.0c92100a.5588.6a7c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498b3e75.02ab100a.5014.ffffe800@mx.google.com> Oh! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 05 February 2009 19:23 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday You're not the messiah you're a very naughty boy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 February 2009 18:55 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Well Steve, as it is Friday in Oz but not yet here in BritLand could I ask you to post this tomorrow. I don't want to get into trouble by posting it now. Max In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University . On a hike through the bush, he came across a certain age bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Peter approached it very carefully. He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot. The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments. Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away. Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day. Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenage son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Peter and his son Cameron were standing. The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man. Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter could not help wondering if this was the same elephant. Peter summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly. Probably wasn't the same effing elephant.. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 05 February 2009 18:45 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Whereas for me, where it *is* Friday, it is so good, for once, to not feel like I must have missed something. :-) Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Drew Wutka" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:58 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to > seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the > warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... > > Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Thu Feb 5 13:31:29 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:31:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query In-Reply-To: <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6EEF@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6DB3@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6EEF@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> Message-ID: <498B3E91.8010609@colbyconsulting.com> Does anyone know what might be behind this slowness? I have an Access application that is required to link to data from SQL Server, and it is indeed very slow, a source of annoyance to my client. I do have to filter the data, currently using an inner join. I really do not want to just copy the data into a local MDB table though I will if that will help (hadn't thought much about doing that till now). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rojas, Joe wrote: > Thanks Mark! > Your suggestion leaded me to the answer. Not sure why I didn't just > filter in the query as opposed to linking to a local table. > Forest from the trees syndrome I guess. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:49 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Query > > > > I have the same issue when pulling data via ODBC...I have found it is > much quicker to NOT join a local table to a linked ODBC...just my > opinion. Any reason you can't do the filtering in one SQL > statement.(see sample below) > > Good Luck, > > Mark A. Matte > > > SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, > PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, > PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost > FROM PUB_JobOper,PUB_LaborDtl > WHERE PUB_JobOper.JobNum=PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum > and PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' > and ((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd]); > > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:06:09 -0500 >> From: joe.rojas at symmetrynb.com >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am trying to pull data into Access from our ERP system that runs off >> of a Progress OpenEdge database. >> The problem I'm having is that the query takes a long time to >> run...around 20 mins. >> I think the problem is related to how I've designed the query and I'm >> hoping someone can point out my error. >> >> I'm connecting to OpenEdge via ODBC. I've linked to the tables I need > in >> Access. >> I've pasted the SQL for the queries below. >> The first query runs pretty quick. It pulles data from one of the > tables >> based on date range and inserts the records into a local table in >> Access. >> The second query is the one that has the problem. I created a query in >> Access that pulls data from another table in OpenEdge that has a WHERE >> clause that uses the IN statement. The IN statement uses a sub query > to >> get the distinct job numbers from the local table that was created in >> the first query. >> The sub query could return many job numbers depending on the span in > the >> date range for the first query. >> By many, I mean it could be 10, 100, 1000, or more. >> >> My guess is that the sub query could be the problem. >> When I run the query, the CPU spikes to 100% for MSACESS but the > network >> traffic indicates that it's not actually pulling data the whole time. >> >> Is there an alternate method to achieving my goal? >> >> Tables in my query that have a 'tbl' prefix are local tables. Tables >> with a 'PUB' prefix are link ODBC tables. >> >> Query 1 (runs in seconds) >> INSERT INTO tblLaborDtl ( Company, EmployeeNum, JobNum, OprSeq, >> ResourceGrpID, ScrapQty, ResourceID, ClockInDate, LaborDtlSeq, >> ScrapReasonCode ) >> SELECT PUB_LaborDtl.Company, PUB_LaborDtl.EmployeeNum, >> PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum, PUB_LaborDtl.OprSeq, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceGrpID, >> PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapQty, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceID, >> PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate, PUB_LaborDtl.LaborDtlSeq, >> PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapReasonCode >> FROM PUB_LaborDtl >> WHERE (((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd])); >> >> Query 2 (take 20 mins) >> INSERT INTO tblJobOper ( Company, JobNum, OprSeq, OpCode, SubContract, >> ActBurCost, ActLabCost ) >> SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, >> PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, >> PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost >> FROM PUB_JobOper >> WHERE PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' AND PUB_JobOper.JobNum In (SELECT >> DISTINCT tblLaborDtl.JobNum FROM tblLaborDtl); >> >> Joe >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Feb 5 13:39:06 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:39:06 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query In-Reply-To: <498B3E91.8010609@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6DB3@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6EEF@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> <498B3E91.8010609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705FA7@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Just a thought but is the data in the SQL server table indexed? Also maybe the DBA of the SQL server data could build you view of just the data you need. That can be a lot quicker than joining to the entire table. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Query Does anyone know what might be behind this slowness? I have an Access application that is required to link to data from SQL Server, and it is indeed very slow, a source of annoyance to my client. I do have to filter the data, currently using an inner join. I really do not want to just copy the data into a local MDB table though I will if that will help (hadn't thought much about doing that till now). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rojas, Joe wrote: > Thanks Mark! > Your suggestion leaded me to the answer. Not sure why I didn't just > filter in the query as opposed to linking to a local table. > Forest from the trees syndrome I guess. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:49 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Query > > > > I have the same issue when pulling data via ODBC...I have found it is > much quicker to NOT join a local table to a linked ODBC...just my > opinion. Any reason you can't do the filtering in one SQL > statement.(see sample below) > > Good Luck, > > Mark A. Matte > > > SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, > PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, > PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost > FROM PUB_JobOper,PUB_LaborDtl > WHERE PUB_JobOper.JobNum=PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum > and PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' > and ((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd]); > > > ---------------------------------------- >> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:06:09 -0500 >> From: joe.rojas at symmetrynb.com >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am trying to pull data into Access from our ERP system that runs off >> of a Progress OpenEdge database. >> The problem I'm having is that the query takes a long time to >> run...around 20 mins. >> I think the problem is related to how I've designed the query and I'm >> hoping someone can point out my error. >> >> I'm connecting to OpenEdge via ODBC. I've linked to the tables I need > in >> Access. >> I've pasted the SQL for the queries below. >> The first query runs pretty quick. It pulles data from one of the > tables >> based on date range and inserts the records into a local table in >> Access. >> The second query is the one that has the problem. I created a query in >> Access that pulls data from another table in OpenEdge that has a WHERE >> clause that uses the IN statement. The IN statement uses a sub query > to >> get the distinct job numbers from the local table that was created in >> the first query. >> The sub query could return many job numbers depending on the span in > the >> date range for the first query. >> By many, I mean it could be 10, 100, 1000, or more. >> >> My guess is that the sub query could be the problem. >> When I run the query, the CPU spikes to 100% for MSACESS but the > network >> traffic indicates that it's not actually pulling data the whole time. >> >> Is there an alternate method to achieving my goal? >> >> Tables in my query that have a 'tbl' prefix are local tables. Tables >> with a 'PUB' prefix are link ODBC tables. >> >> Query 1 (runs in seconds) >> INSERT INTO tblLaborDtl ( Company, EmployeeNum, JobNum, OprSeq, >> ResourceGrpID, ScrapQty, ResourceID, ClockInDate, LaborDtlSeq, >> ScrapReasonCode ) >> SELECT PUB_LaborDtl.Company, PUB_LaborDtl.EmployeeNum, >> PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum, PUB_LaborDtl.OprSeq, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceGrpID, >> PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapQty, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceID, >> PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate, PUB_LaborDtl.LaborDtlSeq, >> PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapReasonCode >> FROM PUB_LaborDtl >> WHERE (((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd])); >> >> Query 2 (take 20 mins) >> INSERT INTO tblJobOper ( Company, JobNum, OprSeq, OpCode, SubContract, >> ActBurCost, ActLabCost ) >> SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, >> PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, >> PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost >> FROM PUB_JobOper >> WHERE PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' AND PUB_JobOper.JobNum In (SELECT >> DISTINCT tblLaborDtl.JobNum FROM tblLaborDtl); >> >> Joe >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009 -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com Thu Feb 5 13:40:05 2009 From: Chester_Kaup at kindermorgan.com (Kaup, Chester) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 13:40:05 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Sorting in a report In-Reply-To: <3F3F607E3DA343D7A0A23CFDAF09BD72@stevePC> References: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E00@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <625E8412773C4406B673E632DC88D358@stevePC> <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705E32@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <0D72ED2BFB7B4A469287374BCB056327@stevePC> <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705EB7@houex1.kindermorgan.com> <3F3F607E3DA343D7A0A23CFDAF09BD72@stevePC> Message-ID: <0B2BF8524B73A248A2F1B81BA751ED3C0642705FA9@houex1.kindermorgan.com> Tried it your way and no difference. I may just have to break it up into 3 groups. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:49 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting in a report Chester, For an expression to work in the Sorting & Grouping, you need to put the = in front, e.g. =[DayCount1000] & [WellName] Also, if one of the fields is a number, I think the result of the overall expression will be a string, so you might need to do something like: =Format([DayCount1000],"0000") & [WellName] Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kaup, Chester" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:28 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] Sorting in a report > Here are the grouping and sorting criteria I used > [DayCount1000] & [WellName] Descending > [DayCount500] & [WellName] Descending > [DayCount200] & [WellName] Descending > The WellNames that had a value for DayCount1000 appeared at the top of the > report sorted by WellName. The remainder of the data appeared below sorted > by WellName. No sorting occurred on DayCount500 or DayCount200. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Thu Feb 5 13:53:52 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:53:52 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon In-Reply-To: <498B3D9A.4050101@colbyconsulting.com> References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <498B3D9A.4050101@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: You see, I knew there was a reasonable explanation. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:27 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > Any ideas what's going on? Simple really, MS is DAMNED PROUD of their ribbon and is making sure that you see it! They spent several million dollars on usability studies to make sure that the ribbon was useful to power users and spent about another 10 million or so to make sure that it was truly annoying to developers, and they aren't about to let their investment slip through their fingers! John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Stuart: > > Well, dang. It doesn't work. I put Call MinimizeRibbon in the _Open event, > but the ribbon ended up maximized anyway. SO I moved it right at the end > of the _Open event on the theory that maybe some of the housekeeping > (resizing the form, maximizing the form, etc.) was affecting the ribbon. > But no soap. > > So I moved it to the _Activate event. Same result. So I put MsgBox > RibbonMinimized in the RibbonMinimized Function to see what the value > was on the call. With the Call to MinimizeRibbon in the Activate > event, it gets called 3 times. Each time the value of RibbonMinimized > is True and the ribbon is indeed minimized. > > Then right at the end of the opening process, the ribbon re-appears. > > Ctrl-F1 from the keyboard toggles the ribbon nicely. And the code > looks like it should work. And I stepped through it just to see what > it was doing. > > Any ideas what's going on? > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Thu Feb 5 14:39:58 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 20:39:58 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <498b3e75.02ab100a.5014.ffffe800@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <64E31F347F8C4C6B936E20BD3A05728F@MINSTER> Sorry, sounds like you didn't get the 'Life Of Brian' reference there, in which case that must have sounded very bizarre -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 February 2009 19:31 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Oh! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 05 February 2009 19:23 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday You're not the messiah you're a very naughty boy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 February 2009 18:55 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Well Steve, as it is Friday in Oz but not yet here in BritLand could I ask you to post this tomorrow. I don't want to get into trouble by posting it now. Max In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University . On a hike through the bush, he came across a certain age bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Peter approached it very carefully. He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot. The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments. Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away. Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day. Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenage son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Peter and his son Cameron were standing. The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man. Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter could not help wondering if this was the same elephant. Peter summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly. Probably wasn't the same effing elephant.. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 05 February 2009 18:45 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Whereas for me, where it *is* Friday, it is so good, for once, to not feel like I must have missed something. :-) Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Drew Wutka" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:58 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to > seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the > warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... > > Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 14:48:36 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 20:48:36 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <64E31F347F8C4C6B936E20BD3A05728F@MINSTER> References: <498b3e75.02ab100a.5014.ffffe800@mx.google.com> <64E31F347F8C4C6B936E20BD3A05728F@MINSTER> Message-ID: <498b50a7.0b9e100a.6eb9.2ef8@mx.google.com> Aha! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 05 February 2009 20:40 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Sorry, sounds like you didn't get the 'Life Of Brian' reference there, in which case that must have sounded very bizarre -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 February 2009 19:31 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Oh! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 05 February 2009 19:23 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday You're not the messiah you're a very naughty boy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 February 2009 18:55 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Well Steve, as it is Friday in Oz but not yet here in BritLand could I ask you to post this tomorrow. I don't want to get into trouble by posting it now. Max In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University . On a hike through the bush, he came across a certain age bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Peter approached it very carefully. He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot. The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments. Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away. Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day. Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenage son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Peter and his son Cameron were standing. The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man. Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter could not help wondering if this was the same elephant. Peter summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly. Probably wasn't the same effing elephant.. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 05 February 2009 18:45 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Whereas for me, where it *is* Friday, it is so good, for once, to not feel like I must have missed something. :-) Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Drew Wutka" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:58 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to > seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the > warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... > > Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Thu Feb 5 14:49:53 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 20:49:53 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Access in Cyprus In-Reply-To: <64E31F347F8C4C6B936E20BD3A05728F@MINSTER> References: <498b3e75.02ab100a.5014.ffffe800@mx.google.com> <64E31F347F8C4C6B936E20BD3A05728F@MINSTER> Message-ID: <498b50f7.0b9e100a.6eb9.2f56@mx.google.com> Anybody got any connections with Cyprus. Contacts etc. Thanks Max From john at winhaven.net Thu Feb 5 16:22:56 2009 From: john at winhaven.net (John Bartow) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 16:22:56 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> References: <498B5135.24200.26ADBC@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <702FC80E3C7C480CA772D0D65A366215@MINSTER> <498ac942.02ab100a.5014.72e9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000b01c987e0$4ba246c0$e2e6d440$@net> Now this is one of the great advantages of having an international list - extended Fridays! John B. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Denis Sherman Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:11 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday Always remember this: You don't stop laughing because you grow old, You grow old because you stop laughing! From markamatte at hotmail.com Thu Feb 5 17:12:08 2009 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 23:12:08 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query In-Reply-To: <498B3E91.8010609@colbyconsulting.com> References: <4989c6de.0269300a.2f60.fffff09e@mx.google.com> <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6DB3@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> <5BAE0A5B5D7E414D96584521B26E6C09AA6EEF@DPYUSNBEXS1.snb.local> <498B3E91.8010609@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Found this: "Heterogeneous joins between local tables and remote tables, or between remote tables in different ODBC data sources. Joins between small local tables and large remote tables, where the join column is indexed, may result in a remote index join. In a remote index join, one query for each row in the local table is sent to the server, and only the joining rows are returned." From: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286222 Not sure that it solves anything. Any ideas? Mark> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:31:29 -0500> From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Query> > Does anyone know what might be behind this slowness? I have an Access application that is required > to link to data from SQL Server, and it is indeed very slow, a source of annoyance to my client. I > do have to filter the data, currently using an inner join. I really do not want to just copy the > data into a local MDB table though I will if that will help (hadn't thought much about doing that > till now).> > John W. Colby> www.ColbyConsulting.com> > > Rojas, Joe wrote:> > Thanks Mark!> > Your suggestion leaded me to the answer. Not sure why I didn't just> > filter in the query as opposed to linking to a local table.> > Forest from the trees syndrome I guess.> > > > Joe> > > > -----Original Message-----> > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com> > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte> > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:49 PM> > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Query> > > > > > > > I have the same issue when pulling data via ODBC...I have found it is> > much quicker to NOT join a local table to a linked ODBC...just my> > opinion. Any reason you can't do the filtering in one SQL> > statement.(see sample below)> > > > Good Luck,> > > > Mark A. Matte> > > > > > SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq,> > PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost,> > PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost> > FROM PUB_JobOper,PUB_LaborDtl> > WHERE PUB_JobOper.JobNum=PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum> > and PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB'> > and ((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd]);> > > > > > ----------------------------------------> >> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:06:09 -0500> >> From: joe.rojas at symmetrynb.com> >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com> >> Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query> >>> >> Hi All,> >>> >> I am trying to pull data into Access from our ERP system that runs off> >> of a Progress OpenEdge database.> >> The problem I'm having is that the query takes a long time to> >> run...around 20 mins.> >> I think the problem is related to how I've designed the query and I'm> >> hoping someone can point out my error.> >>> >> I'm connecting to OpenEdge via ODBC. I've linked to the tables I need> > in> >> Access.> >> I've pasted the SQL for the queries below.> >> The first query runs pretty quick. It pulles data from one of the> > tables> >> based on date range and inserts the records into a local table in> >> Access.> >> The second query is the one that has the problem. I created a query in> >> Access that pulls data from another table in OpenEdge that has a WHERE> >> clause that uses the IN statement. The IN statement uses a sub query> > to> >> get the distinct job numbers from the local table that was created in> >> the first query.> >> The sub query could return many job numbers depending on the span in> > the> >> date range for the first query.> >> By many, I mean it could be 10, 100, 1000, or more.> >>> >> My guess is that the sub query could be the problem.> >> When I run the query, the CPU spikes to 100% for MSACESS but the> > network> >> traffic indicates that it's not actually pulling data the whole time.> >>> >> Is there an alternate method to achieving my goal?> >>> >> Tables in my query that have a 'tbl' prefix are local tables. Tables> >> with a 'PUB' prefix are link ODBC tables.> >>> >> Query 1 (runs in seconds)> >> INSERT INTO tblLaborDtl ( Company, EmployeeNum, JobNum, OprSeq,> >> ResourceGrpID, ScrapQty, ResourceID, ClockInDate, LaborDtlSeq,> >> ScrapReasonCode )> >> SELECT PUB_LaborDtl.Company, PUB_LaborDtl.EmployeeNum,> >> PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum, PUB_LaborDtl.OprSeq, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceGrpID,> >> PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapQty, PUB_LaborDtl.ResourceID,> >> PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate, PUB_LaborDtl.LaborDtlSeq,> >> PUB_LaborDtl.ScrapReasonCode> >> FROM PUB_LaborDtl> >> WHERE (((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd]));> >>> >> Query 2 (take 20 mins)> >> INSERT INTO tblJobOper ( Company, JobNum, OprSeq, OpCode, SubContract,> >> ActBurCost, ActLabCost )> >> SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq,> >> PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost,> >> PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost> >> FROM PUB_JobOper> >> WHERE PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' AND PUB_JobOper.JobNum In (SELECT> >> DISTINCT tblLaborDtl.JobNum FROM tblLaborDtl);> >>> >> Joe> >>> >> --> >> AccessD mailing list> >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com> > _________________________________________________________________> > Windows Live(tm): Keep your life in sync. > > http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t1_allup_explore_022009> -- > AccessD mailing list> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/howitworks?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_howitworks_022009 From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Thu Feb 5 18:35:57 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:35:57 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <498C128D.29650.319F160@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> OK ,as long as your respect my sensitivities as well as the Aussies on the list and don't allow Friday OT postings when it is Saturday here for us. That means no postings from the UK after 2:00pm local time and none from the western USA/Canada after 6:00am :-) On 5 Feb 2009 at 12:19, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Andy Lacey wrote: > > I agree Drew. As moderator I'm going to ban such insensitive behaviour in > > future. > > As listmaster I'll back you up on that one Andy. > > Cause it JUST dawned on me what the whole issue was, even though I > read you post. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From adtp at airtelmail.in Thu Feb 5 23:00:05 2009 From: adtp at airtelmail.in (A.D.Tejpal) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:30:05 +0530 Subject: [AccessD] Tip: Sum elapsed time and display as a time string References: Message-ID: <002f01c98818$454c7100$0485a37a@personald6374f> Gustav, That is a nice one! Thanks for kindly sharing with us. Equivalent UDF, using multiplication by 24 in lieu of DaeDiff(), could be: '=============================== Function Fn_TotElapsedTimeFormatted( _ TotElapsedTime As Single) As String ' Returns equivalent string in hh:nn:ss format ' TotElapsedTime is the sum of subtraction ' between DateTime type values. Fn_TotElapsedTimeFormatted = _ Int(TotElapsedTime * 24) & _ Format(TotElapsedTime, ":nn:ss") End Function '=============================== Best wishes, A.D. Tejpal ------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: Gustav Brock To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:57 Subject: [AccessD] Tip: Sum elapsed time and display as a time string Hi all Did you know how easy it is in a query to sum elapsed time (of date/time value) and format this as a string even when count of hours exceed 24? SELECT DateDiff("h",0,Sum([ElapsedTime])) & Format(Sum([ElapsedTime]),":nn:ss") AS ElapsedTimeTotal FROM tblElapsedTime; This will return a string like, say, 45:37:12. The trick is, of course, to count the hours from date/time value 0 (zero). Then let Format handle the minutes and seconds. /gustav From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 6 02:03:18 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 09:03:18 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query Message-ID: Hi John and Mark and Joe I wonder if it would help to "isolate" the ODBC table in a query and then use this query to join with the local table. And/or write the criteria to join on from the local table to a temp table at the SQL Server and then join this with the remote table in a view. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 05-02-2009 20:31 >>> Does anyone know what might be behind this slowness? I have an Access application that is required to link to data from SQL Server, and it is indeed very slow, a source of annoyance to my client. I do have to filter the data, currently using an inner join. I really do not want to just copy the data into a local MDB table though I will if that will help (hadn't thought much about doing that till now). John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rojas, Joe wrote: > Thanks Mark! > Your suggestion leaded me to the answer. Not sure why I didn't just > filter in the query as opposed to linking to a local table. > Forest from the trees syndrome I guess. > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:49 PM > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Query > > > > I have the same issue when pulling data via ODBC...I have found it is > much quicker to NOT join a local table to a linked ODBC...just my > opinion. Any reason you can't do the filtering in one SQL > statement.(see sample below) > > Good Luck, > > Mark A. Matte > > > SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, > PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, > PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost > FROM PUB_JobOper,PUB_LaborDtl > WHERE PUB_JobOper.JobNum=PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum > and PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' > and ((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd]); From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 6 06:25:16 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:25:16 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Dates as Rata Die Message-ID: Hi all Not a Friday joke, but did you know about the Rata Die numbering system for dates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rata_Die However, these are quite easy to handle in Access: Public Function DateFromRataDie(ByVal lngRataDie As Long) As Date ' Converts a date as Rata Die value to its date/time value. ' Rata Die is the count of days since 0001-01-01 00:00:00 UTC ' ' Zero value of Rata Die is 0001-01-01 00:00:00 UTC ' Offset in relation to the date of zero value of VB(A) date/time value ' is the year of date/time numeric value zero. ' ' 2009-02-06. Cactus Data ApS. CPH. Const datZero As Date = #12:00:00 AM# Dim datDate As Date datDate = DateAdd("yyyy", -Year(datZero), DateAdd("d", lngRataDie, datZero)) DateFromRataDie = datDate End Function Public Function DateToRataDie(ByVal datDate As Date) As Long ' Converts a date/time value to its Rata Die value. ' Rata Die is the count of days since 0001-01-01 00:00:00 UTC ' ' Zero value of Rata Die is 0001-01-01 00:00:00 UTC ' Offset in relation to the date of zero value of VB(A) date/time value ' is the year of date/time numeric value zero. ' ' 2009-02-06. Cactus Data ApS. CPH. Const datZero As Date = #12:00:00 AM# Dim lngRataDie As Long lngRataDie = DateDiff("d", datZero, DateAdd("yyyy", Year(datZero), datDate)) DateToRataDie = lngRataDie End Function /gustav From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 07:23:37 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 08:23:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498C39D9.2030302@colbyconsulting.com> It did not help in my case. The data in the table is dirty, i.e. needs to have junk filtered out before I can use it so I use a query to perform that filter and present the resulting data to the system. I really need to spend some time on this, unfortunately the SQL Server is a dedicated server hosted locally at my client, synced to another server somewhere. I do not have access to the server directly (it is accounting / payroll stuff) and so my options are limited. My client created three views long ago and is resistant to playing around any more. Having thought a bit about this, I am thinking of just copying the filtered data into local tables, then doing periodic appends to my local tables as new data accumulates out in the SQL Server table. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John and Mark and Joe > > I wonder if it would help to "isolate" the ODBC table in a query and then use this query to join with the local table. > And/or write the criteria to join on from the local table to a temp table at the SQL Server and then join this with the remote table in a view. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 05-02-2009 20:31 >>> > Does anyone know what might be behind this slowness? I have an Access application that is required > to link to data from SQL Server, and it is indeed very slow, a source of annoyance to my client. I > do have to filter the data, currently using an inner join. I really do not want to just copy the > data into a local MDB table though I will if that will help (hadn't thought much about doing that > till now). > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rojas, Joe wrote: >> Thanks Mark! >> Your suggestion leaded me to the answer. Not sure why I didn't just >> filter in the query as opposed to linking to a local table. >> Forest from the trees syndrome I guess. >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:49 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Query >> >> >> >> I have the same issue when pulling data via ODBC...I have found it is >> much quicker to NOT join a local table to a linked ODBC...just my >> opinion. Any reason you can't do the filtering in one SQL >> statement.(see sample below) >> >> Good Luck, >> >> Mark A. Matte >> >> >> SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, >> PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, >> PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost >> FROM PUB_JobOper,PUB_LaborDtl >> WHERE PUB_JobOper.JobNum=PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum >> and PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' >> and ((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd]); > > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 07:45:41 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:45:41 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <498C128D.29650.319F160@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: , , <498C128D.29650.319F160@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <498c3f08.01bb420a.3280.20fb@mx.google.com> Ha! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 06 February 2009 00:36 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday OK ,as long as your respect my sensitivities as well as the Aussies on the list and don't allow Friday OT postings when it is Saturday here for us. That means no postings from the UK after 2:00pm local time and none from the western USA/Canada after 6:00am :-) On 5 Feb 2009 at 12:19, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 12:11 PM, Andy Lacey wrote: > > I agree Drew. As moderator I'm going to ban such insensitive behaviour in > > future. > > As listmaster I'll back you up on that one Andy. > > Cause it JUST dawned on me what the whole issue was, even though I > read you post. > > -- > Bryan Carbonnell - carbonnb at gmail.com > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well > preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, > shouting "What a great ride!" > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Gustav at cactus.dk Fri Feb 6 07:47:36 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:47:36 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Help with Query Message-ID: Hi John In that case, that's what I would do: > Having thought a bit about this, I am thinking of just copying the filtered data into local tables, > then doing periodic appends to my local tables as new data accumulates out in the SQL Server table. /gustav >>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 06-02-2009 14:23 >>> It did not help in my case. The data in the table is dirty, i.e. needs to have junk filtered out before I can use it so I use a query to perform that filter and present the resulting data to the system. I really need to spend some time on this, unfortunately the SQL Server is a dedicated server hosted locally at my client, synced to another server somewhere. I do not have access to the server directly (it is accounting / payroll stuff) and so my options are limited. My client created three views long ago and is resistant to playing around any more. Having thought a bit about this, I am thinking of just copying the filtered data into local tables, then doing periodic appends to my local tables as new data accumulates out in the SQL Server table. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi John and Mark and Joe > > I wonder if it would help to "isolate" the ODBC table in a query and then use this query to join with the local table. > And/or write the criteria to join on from the local table to a temp table at the SQL Server and then join this with the remote table in a view. > > /gustav > >>>> jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com 05-02-2009 20:31 >>> > Does anyone know what might be behind this slowness? I have an Access application that is required > to link to data from SQL Server, and it is indeed very slow, a source of annoyance to my client. I > do have to filter the data, currently using an inner join. I really do not want to just copy the > data into a local MDB table though I will if that will help (hadn't thought much about doing that > till now). > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rojas, Joe wrote: >> Thanks Mark! >> Your suggestion leaded me to the answer. Not sure why I didn't just >> filter in the query as opposed to linking to a local table. >> Forest from the trees syndrome I guess. >> >> Joe >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Mark A Matte >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 1:49 PM >> To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Help with Query >> >> >> >> I have the same issue when pulling data via ODBC...I have found it is >> much quicker to NOT join a local table to a linked ODBC...just my >> opinion. Any reason you can't do the filtering in one SQL >> statement.(see sample below) >> >> Good Luck, >> >> Mark A. Matte >> >> >> SELECT PUB_JobOper.Company, PUB_JobOper.JobNum, PUB_JobOper.OprSeq, >> PUB_JobOper.OpCode, PUB_JobOper.SubContract, PUB_JobOper.ActBurCost, >> PUB_JobOper.ActLabCost >> FROM PUB_JobOper,PUB_LaborDtl >> WHERE PUB_JobOper.JobNum=PUB_LaborDtl.JobNum >> and PUB_JobOper.Company = 'SNB' >> and ((PUB_LaborDtl.ClockInDate) Between [dteStart] And [dteEnd]); From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 09:19:56 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 10:19:56 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] To all you musicians... Message-ID: <498C551C.3000401@colbyconsulting.com> C, E-flat and G go into a bar. The bartender says, "sorry, but we don't serve minors." So E-flat leaves, and C and G have an open fifth between them. After a few drinks, the fifth is diminished and G is out flat. F comes in and tries to augment the situation, but is not sharp enough. D comes in and heads for the bathroom saying, "Excuse me. I'll just be a second." Then A comes in, but the bartender is not convinced that this relative of C is not a minor. Then the bartender notices B-flat hiding at the end of the bar and says, "Get out! You're the seventh minor I've found in this bar tonight." E-Flat comes back the next night in a three-piece suit with nicely shined shoes. The bartender says, "you're looking sharp tonight. Come on in, this could be a major development." Sure enough, E-flat soon takes off his suit and everything else, and is au natural. Eventually C sobers up and realizes in horror that he's under a rest. C is brought to trial, found guilty of contributing to the diminution of a minor, and is sentenced to 10 years of D.S. without Coda at an upscale correctional facility. -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 6 09:26:20 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 07:26:20 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware Message-ID: FYI: articles on VM in the San Diego ComputorEdge http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=cover&issue=2706&zone=S D&src=1 http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=in1&issue=2706&zone=SD& src=1 Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Fri Feb 6 09:25:52 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:25:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Message-ID: 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 09:42:20 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:42:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... References: Message-ID: Are you a Hoosier? I'm in Kentucky!!! ;) Susan H. > Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Fri Feb 6 09:53:21 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:53:21 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 'fraid not. I'm in New York (only 20 degrees today), but as an ex-pat Scotsman I appreciate cold weather humor. :-) Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:42 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Are you a Hoosier? I'm in Kentucky!!! ;) Susan H. > Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 10:33:55 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:33:55 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] To all you musicians... In-Reply-To: <498C551C.3000401@colbyconsulting.com> References: <498C551C.3000401@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498c6676.17e7300a.6f37.ffffd24c@mx.google.com> Music to my ears. I NOTE he was also fined a TENOR which no doubt made him QUAVER and more than a little CROCHET. But don't FRET we have him under lock and KEY. Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 06 February 2009 15:20 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] To all you musicians... C, E-flat and G go into a bar. The bartender says, "sorry, but we don't serve minors." So E-flat leaves, and C and G have an open fifth between them. After a few drinks, the fifth is diminished and G is out flat. F comes in and tries to augment the situation, but is not sharp enough. D comes in and heads for the bathroom saying, "Excuse me. I'll just be a second." Then A comes in, but the bartender is not convinced that this relative of C is not a minor. Then the bartender notices B-flat hiding at the end of the bar and says, "Get out! You're the seventh minor I've found in this bar tonight." E-Flat comes back the next night in a three-piece suit with nicely shined shoes. The bartender says, "you're looking sharp tonight. Come on in, this could be a major development." Sure enough, E-flat soon takes off his suit and everything else, and is au natural. Eventually C sobers up and realizes in horror that he's under a rest. C is brought to trial, found guilty of contributing to the diminution of a minor, and is sentenced to 10 years of D.S. without Coda at an upscale correctional facility. -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 6 10:46:03 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:46:03 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us Fri Feb 6 10:46:51 2009 From: EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us (Tesiny, Ed) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:46:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where in New York, Lambert? Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 'fraid not. I'm in New York (only 20 degrees today), but as an ex-pat Scotsman I appreciate cold weather humor. :-) Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:42 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Are you a Hoosier? I'm in Kentucky!!! ;) Susan H. > Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 10:56:30 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:56:30 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> Message-ID: <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> > house start getting blown around House of straw eh! In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and you often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN or Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, steel - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and then wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From drboz at pacbell.net Fri Feb 6 10:56:32 2009 From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:56:32 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] To all you musicians... References: <498C551C.3000401@colbyconsulting.com> <498c6676.17e7300a.6f37.ffffd24c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <009a01c9887b$ddfead60$6801a8c0@Don> and a demisemiquaver homiola right back at ya..... Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] To all you musicians... > Music to my ears. I NOTE he was also fined a TENOR which no doubt made > him > QUAVER and more than a little CROCHET. > > But don't FRET we have him under lock and KEY. > > Maxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 06 February 2009 15:20 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] To all you musicians... > > C, E-flat and G go into a bar. The bartender says, "sorry, > but we don't serve minors." So E-flat leaves, and C and G > have an open fifth between them. After a few drinks, the > fifth is diminished and G is out flat. F comes in and tries > to augment the situation, but is not sharp enough. > > D comes in and heads for the bathroom saying, "Excuse me. > I'll just be a second." Then A comes in, but the bartender > is not convinced that this relative of C is not a minor. > Then the bartender notices B-flat hiding at the end of the > bar and says, "Get out! You're the seventh minor I've found > in this bar tonight." > > E-Flat comes back the next night in a three-piece suit with > nicely shined shoes. The bartender says, "you're looking > sharp tonight. Come on in, this could be a major > development." Sure enough, E-flat soon takes off his suit > and everything else, and is au natural. > > Eventually C sobers up and realizes in horror that he's > under a rest. C is brought to trial, found guilty of > contributing to the diminution of a minor, and is sentenced > to 10 years of D.S. without Coda at an upscale correctional > facility. > > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Fri Feb 6 10:58:30 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:58:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: NY, NY (for work) and Brooklyn (for leisure). -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Tesiny, Ed Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:47 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Where in New York, Lambert? Ed Tesiny EdTesiny at oasas.state.ny.us -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:53 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 'fraid not. I'm in New York (only 20 degrees today), but as an ex-pat Scotsman I appreciate cold weather humor. :-) Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:42 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Are you a Hoosier? I'm in Kentucky!!! ;) Susan H. > Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:00:46 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:00:46 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] To all you musicians... In-Reply-To: <009a01c9887b$ddfead60$6801a8c0@Don> References: <498C551C.3000401@colbyconsulting.com> <498c6676.17e7300a.6f37.ffffd24c@mx.google.com> <009a01c9887b$ddfead60$6801a8c0@Don> Message-ID: <498c6cc2.120b420a.48e3.ffffb955@mx.google.com> Ouch! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth Sent: 06 February 2009 16:57 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] To all you musicians... and a demisemiquaver homiola right back at ya..... Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Max Wanadoo" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [AccessD] To all you musicians... > Music to my ears. I NOTE he was also fined a TENOR which no doubt made > him > QUAVER and more than a little CROCHET. > > But don't FRET we have him under lock and KEY. > > Maxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 06 February 2009 15:20 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] To all you musicians... > > C, E-flat and G go into a bar. The bartender says, "sorry, > but we don't serve minors." So E-flat leaves, and C and G > have an open fifth between them. After a few drinks, the > fifth is diminished and G is out flat. F comes in and tries > to augment the situation, but is not sharp enough. > > D comes in and heads for the bathroom saying, "Excuse me. > I'll just be a second." Then A comes in, but the bartender > is not convinced that this relative of C is not a minor. > Then the bartender notices B-flat hiding at the end of the > bar and says, "Get out! You're the seventh minor I've found > in this bar tonight." > > E-Flat comes back the next night in a three-piece suit with > nicely shined shoes. The bartender says, "you're looking > sharp tonight. Come on in, this could be a major > development." Sure enough, E-flat soon takes off his suit > and everything else, and is au natural. > > Eventually C sobers up and realizes in horror that he's > under a rest. C is brought to trial, found guilty of > contributing to the diminution of a minor, and is sentenced > to 10 years of D.S. without Coda at an upscale correctional > facility. > > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From JHewson at nciinc.com Fri Feb 6 11:07:38 2009 From: JHewson at nciinc.com (Hewson, Jim ) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:07:38 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A83EC90B@sanex101.nciinc.com> Maxx, You don't understand, here any building that lasts longer than 50 years is a landmark. When I visited over there, I was told that if it's less than 300 years old it was new. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > house start getting blown around House of straw eh! In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and you often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN or Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, steel - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and then wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. 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This email transmission contains information from NCI Information Systems, Inc. that may be considered privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the named recipient. ################################################################################ From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:12:01 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:12:01 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). Here is something for yeese! Maxx An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . The American thanked the priest and went along his way . Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! Or proud to know one! ----------------------------------------------- From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:14:21 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:14:21 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Aussie Day In-Reply-To: <18EBFDB9D9784D1D99839599E4C55993@XPS> References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <498AFDBF.8060807@colbyconsulting.com> <42309DCB27A9474AB2A824D3B8CC1DAD@HAL9005> <18EBFDB9D9784D1D99839599E4C55993@XPS> Message-ID: <498c6ff0.07a6420a.5fbe.6007@mx.google.com> Aussie Day coming up. Good on yer boys - have a great one. Wish I could post a pps file on this site. I have a great one which the Oz would love. Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: 05 February 2009 15:38 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon << Why would the ribbon be exempted from programmatic manipulation. Why no Application.Ribbon. Or a DoCmd.Ribbon?>> That's because despite any overtures made, Microsoft does not consider Access to be a professional development tool; user features first and foremost always. Development features are always secondary. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:21 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon Agree. In A2003 I never saw anything that could be done through the toolbars or otherwise, that could not be done in VBA using one or another object model. This seems to be a real basic difference in 2007. Why would the ribbon be exempted from programmatic manipulation. Why no Application.Ribbon. Or a DoCmd.Ribbon? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:55 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon All of this to get rid of something that should be directly programmatically manipulatable. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com William Hindman wrote: > "SendKeys"????????? > > ...shakes head ...returns to A2K3 :( > > ...sorry Stu, just couldn't help myself :) > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:14 PM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > >> Rocky! >> >> This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off >> the ribbons programmatically" >> >> Here's what I posted then: >> My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably >> because of different screen resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like >> it will always be above/below 100 so this should work anywhere. It >> certainly works for me: >> >> Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean RibbonMinimized = >> Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 End Function >> >> The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon >> :-) >> >> Function HideRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo End Function >> >> Function ShowRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes End Function >> >> Function MinimizeRibbon() >> If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> Function MaximizeRibbon() >> If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:17:31 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:17:31 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A83EC90B@sanex101.nciinc.com> References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A83EC90B@sanex101.nciinc.com> Message-ID: <498c70b1.04bc420a.2af6.5ef5@mx.google.com> Hmm. Probably accounts for the fact I didn't see many landmarks when I was last over. What I did see was tons of friendly faces - great people - great country - shit buildings! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim Sent: 06 February 2009 17:08 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Maxx, You don't understand, here any building that lasts longer than 50 years is a landmark. When I visited over there, I was told that if it's less than 300 years old it was new. Jim -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > house start getting blown around House of straw eh! In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and you often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN or Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, steel - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and then wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. 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This email transmission contains information from NCI Information Systems, Inc. that may be considered privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the named recipient. ############################################################################ #### -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 11:41:09 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:41:09 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498c70b1.04bc420a.2af6.5ef5@mx.google.com> References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A83EC90B@sanex101.nciinc.com> <498c70b1.04bc420a.2af6.5ef5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498C7635.2060300@colbyconsulting.com> What you find is that people use the building materials that are available to them. When the US was growing up wood was everywhere and so it was cheap and available. That is now changing as we have logged our forests to death (literally). Often times places like Gb and Ireland had lots of stone, but little wood. Thus they built stone buildings. Many places in the US do not have much stone. Those that did, like the northeast, did build a lot of stone buildings. The great planes have very deep topsoil and flood planes from the rivers but little stone. They did not have forests either, so they built sod houses, which is simply digging square bricks of soil and stacking them up around the resulting pit that you dug the sod out of. Brick requires a specific clay type of soil and so brick houses tended to be built where clay is available, but brick also requires baking so you usually find brick buildings where there is clay and ample fuel to fire the bricks. It is a little easier in modern times to build with what you want rather than what is available because transportation is so cheap. However Americans are (by and large) familiar with wood, and it is very easy to build with so they still use it. We tend to throw up entire square mile developments of housing and wood facilitates that. Try and throw up a square mile of stone houses, in a place like Florida (pure sand), not a trivial task. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hmm. Probably accounts for the fact I didn't see many landmarks when I was > last over. > > What I did see was tons of friendly faces - great people - great country - > shit buildings! > > Maxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim > Sent: 06 February 2009 17:08 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > Maxx, > You don't understand, here any building that lasts longer than 50 years > is a landmark. > When I visited over there, I was told that if it's less than 300 years > old it was new. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > >> house start getting blown around > > House of straw eh! > > In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. > > Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? > > I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and > you > often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN > or > Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, > steel > - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and > then > wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! > > Maxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > Indiana? C'mon . . . > > In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in > the > house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything > to > do with it. > > Have a warm day! > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, > Lambert > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM > To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' > Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > 65 above zero: > > Floridians turn on the heat. > > People in Indiana plant gardens. > > > > > > 60 above zero: > > Californians shiver uncontrollably. > > People in Indiana sunbathe. > > > > > > 50 above zero: > > Italian & English cars won't start. > > People in Indiana drive with the windows down. > > > > > > 40 above zero: > > Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. > > People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. > > > > > > 35 above zero: > > New York landlords finally turn up the heat. > > People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. > > > > > > 20 above Zero: > > People in Miami all die. > > Hoosiers close the windows. > > > > > > Zero: > > Californians fly away to Mexico. > > People in Indiana get out their winter coats. > > > > > > 10 below zero: > > Hollywood disintegrates. > > The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. > > > > > > 20 below zero: > > Washington DC runs out of hot air. > > People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. > > > > > > 30 below zero: > > Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. > > Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. > > > > > > 40 below zero: > > ALL atomic motion stops. > > People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' > > > > > > 50 below zero: > > Hell freezes over. > > Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late > > > > > > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:41:50 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:41:50 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT:Friday Chuckles In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498c7663.1783420a.701f.ffffb2da@mx.google.com> CHUCKLES FOR MATURE COUPLES AND OTHERS ..... My husband and I divorced over religious differences. He thought he was God and I didn't. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriage is a three-ring circus: Engagement ring, wedding ring and suffering. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For Sale : Wedding dress, size 8. Worn once by mistake. --------------------------------------------------------------------- There are two times when a man doesn't understand a woman: Before marriage and after marriage. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Why were hurricanes usually named after women? Because when they arrive, they're wet and wild, but when they go, they take your house and car. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The woman applying for a job in a Florida lemon grove seemed way too qualified for the job. "Look Miss," said the foreman, "have you any actual experience in picking lemons?" "Well, as a matter if fact, yes!" she replied.? "I've been divorced three times." ------------------------------------------------------------------- An old man goes to the Wizard to ask him if he can remove a curse he has been living with for the last 40 years. The Wizard says, "Maybe, but you will have to tell me the exact words that were used to put the curse on you." The old man says without hesitation, "I now pronounce you man and wife." ------------------------------------------------------------------- I was in the express lane at the store quietly fuming. Completely ignoring the sign, the woman ahead of me had slipped into the check-out line pushing a trolley piled high with groceries. Imagine my delight when the cashier beckoned the woman to come forward looked at the trolley and asked sweetly, "So which six items would you like to buy?" Wouldn't it be great if that happened more often? ------------------------------------------------------------------- Because they had no reservations at a busy restaurant, my elderly neighbour and his wife were told there would be a 45-minute wait for a table. "Young man, we're both 90 years old," the husband said . "We may not have 45 minutes." They were seated immediately. ------------------------------------------------------------------- All eyes were on the radiant bride as her father escorted her down the aisle. They reached the altar and the waiting groom; the bride kissed her father and placed something in his hand. The guests in the front pews responded with ripples of laughter. Even the priest smiled broadly. As her father gave her away in marriage, the bride gave him back his credit card. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Women and cats will do as they please , men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea. --------------------------------------------------------------- --------- Three friends from the local congregation were asked, "When you're in your coffin and friends and congregation members are mourning over you, what would you like them to say?" Artie said: "I would like them to say I was a wonderful husband, a great Father and a man with many friends." Eugene commented: "I would like them to say I was a wonderful teacher and servant of God who made a huge difference in people's lives." Al said: "I'd like them to say, "Look, he's moving!" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Smith climbs to the top of Mt. Sinai to get close enough to talk to God. Looking up, he asks the Lord... "God, what does a million years mean to you?" The Lord replies, "A minute." Smith asks, "And what does a million pounds mean to you?" The Lord replies, "A penny." Smith asks, "Can I have a penny?" The Lord replies, "In a minute." ------------------------------------------------------------------- A man goes to a shrink and says, "Doctor, my wife is unfaithful to me. Every evening, she goes to Larry's bar and picks up men. In fact, she sleeps with anybody who asks her! I'm going crazy. What do you think I should do?" "Relax," says the Doctor, "take a deep breath and calm down. Now, tell me, exactly where is Larry's bar?" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave was on his deathbed and gasped pitifully. "Give me one last request, dear," he said. "Of course, Dave," his wife said softly. "Six months after I die," he said, "I want you to marry Bob." "But I thought you hated Bob," she said. With his last breath Dave said, "I do!" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A man goes to see the Rabbi. "Rabbi, something terrible is happening and I have to talk to you about it." The Rabbi asked, "What's wrong?" The man replied, "My wife is poisoning me." The Rabbi, very surprised by this, asks, "How can that be?" The man then pleads, "I'm telling you, I'm certain she's poisoning me, what should I do?" The Rabbi then offers, "Tell you what. Let me talk to her, I'll see what I can find out and I'll let you know." A week later the Rabbi calls the man and says, "Well, I spoke to your wife. I spoke to her on the phone for three hours. You want my advice?" The man said yes and the Rabbi replied, "Take the poison." From erbachs at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:43:09 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:43:09 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor Message-ID: <39cb22f30902060943k645c7fc1o3990b97da891324e@mail.gmail.com> Dear Group, I've sent this appeal to the dba-OT group and they responded magnificently. I apologize if you've seen this already as an OT member, but I hope you won't mind since I waited until AccessD OT Friday to ask. I'm running for the 3rd District Aldermanic position in Neenah, WI. For better or worse, I've decided to devote some time to a blog (http://www.NeenahPolitics.com) dealing with politics in my city. There've been fireworks recently (http://www.neenahpolitics.com/Home/tabid/171/EntryID/114/Default.aspx), so you may not find reading about some puddle-jump town in Wisconsin so boring. There is a registered user stat on the home page. When I asked the OT-ites to register at the site there was a grand total of 3 registered users, two of them being myself and the Admin account, also myself. After just 48 hours, that number had jumped up to 46, of which about half came from OT! My thought is that when the voters in my district visit my page for Neenah info, they'll see a sizable number of registered users...people who took the time to create a user name and password. I THINK that'll leave a favorable impression; i.e., that the information has value and that I've actually got something cogent and coherent to say. Would you all mind registering at www.NeenahPolitics.com? You just need to enter: * a user name * your first and last names (stay anonymous if you wish) * a display name * a password There, of course, is a profile page you can edit, but don't bother if you don't feel like it. There are two Canadians, two Germans, and a Brit already signed up. I would very much appreciate it if you could sign up, too. Thank you, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI, USA http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com P.S., My opponent for the position is a former Neenah Public Works Director. The newest viaduct built in town was named after him! If you drive west on Cecil St. over the new bridge, you'll see his first "yard sign": "Timothy Hamblin Bridge". I have my work cut out for me! From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 6 11:43:49 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:43:49 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In Minnesota, sooner or later it all gets hit by a tornado. And even if you had a solid steel box for a house, it will still get picked up and carried a Km or so, and badly dented when it drops back down to the ground. That Wizard of Oz stuff is a Good day! So, we build to survive for a while, and pay insurance for when it doesn't. Also in Minnesota, there are no wooden roof tiles - wouldn't last for a single winter! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > house start getting blown around House of straw eh! In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and you often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN or Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, steel - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and then wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:46:09 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:46:09 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498C7635.2060300@colbyconsulting.com> References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> <7E02B06E41E5404589EDDDA2BAA1C5A83EC90B@sanex101.nciinc.com> <498c70b1.04bc420a.2af6.5ef5@mx.google.com> <498C7635.2060300@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498c7765.287c420a.2749.62c1@mx.google.com> Gulp! Afternoon John. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 06 February 2009 17:41 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... What you find is that people use the building materials that are available to them. When the US was growing up wood was everywhere and so it was cheap and available. That is now changing as we have logged our forests to death (literally). Often times places like Gb and Ireland had lots of stone, but little wood. Thus they built stone buildings. Many places in the US do not have much stone. Those that did, like the northeast, did build a lot of stone buildings. The great planes have very deep topsoil and flood planes from the rivers but little stone. They did not have forests either, so they built sod houses, which is simply digging square bricks of soil and stacking them up around the resulting pit that you dug the sod out of. Brick requires a specific clay type of soil and so brick houses tended to be built where clay is available, but brick also requires baking so you usually find brick buildings where there is clay and ample fuel to fire the bricks. It is a little easier in modern times to build with what you want rather than what is available because transportation is so cheap. However Americans are (by and large) familiar with wood, and it is very easy to build with so they still use it. We tend to throw up entire square mile developments of housing and wood facilitates that. Try and throw up a square mile of stone houses, in a place like Florida (pure sand), not a trivial task. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hmm. Probably accounts for the fact I didn't see many landmarks when I was > last over. > > What I did see was tons of friendly faces - great people - great country - > shit buildings! > > Maxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Hewson, Jim > Sent: 06 February 2009 17:08 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > Maxx, > You don't understand, here any building that lasts longer than 50 years > is a landmark. > When I visited over there, I was told that if it's less than 300 years > old it was new. > > Jim > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > >> house start getting blown around > > House of straw eh! > > In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. > > Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? > > I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and > you > often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN > or > Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, > steel > - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and > then > wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! > > Maxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters > Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > Indiana? C'mon . . . > > In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in > the > house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything > to > do with it. > > Have a warm day! > Dan > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, > Lambert > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM > To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' > Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > 65 above zero: > > Floridians turn on the heat. > > People in Indiana plant gardens. > > > > > > 60 above zero: > > Californians shiver uncontrollably. > > People in Indiana sunbathe. > > > > > > 50 above zero: > > Italian & English cars won't start. > > People in Indiana drive with the windows down. > > > > > > 40 above zero: > > Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. > > People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. > > > > > > 35 above zero: > > New York landlords finally turn up the heat. > > People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. > > > > > > 20 above Zero: > > People in Miami all die. > > Hoosiers close the windows. > > > > > > Zero: > > Californians fly away to Mexico. > > People in Indiana get out their winter coats. > > > > > > 10 below zero: > > Hollywood disintegrates. > > The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. > > > > > > 20 below zero: > > Washington DC runs out of hot air. > > People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. > > > > > > 30 below zero: > > Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. > > Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. > > > > > > 40 below zero: > > ALL atomic motion stops. > > People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' > > > > > > 50 below zero: > > Hell freezes over. > > Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late > > > > > > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:49:42 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:49:42 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT:Friday Chuckles In-Reply-To: <498c7663.1783420a.701f.ffffb2da@mx.google.com> References: <498c7663.1783420a.701f.ffffb2da@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30902060949j183f0da1pe1b7e17531f9d610@mail.gmail.com> Max, These are excellent! Old jokes are the best jokes! Steve Erbach Neenah, WI -- Regards, Steve Erbach Scientific Marketing Neenah, WI www.swerbach.com Security Page: www.swerbach.com/security From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:54:06 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:54:06 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30902060943k645c7fc1o3990b97da891324e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30902060943k645c7fc1o3990b97da891324e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498c7946.1ae7300a.52c7.02dd@mx.google.com> OK, I have done that for you. Now, how do I register for Jake the Rooster? Seems a great guy! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 06 February 2009 17:43 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor Dear Group, I've sent this appeal to the dba-OT group and they responded magnificently. I apologize if you've seen this already as an OT member, but I hope you won't mind since I waited until AccessD OT Friday to ask. I'm running for the 3rd District Aldermanic position in Neenah, WI. For better or worse, I've decided to devote some time to a blog (http://www.NeenahPolitics.com) dealing with politics in my city. There've been fireworks recently (http://www.neenahpolitics.com/Home/tabid/171/EntryID/114/Default.aspx), so you may not find reading about some puddle-jump town in Wisconsin so boring. There is a registered user stat on the home page. When I asked the OT-ites to register at the site there was a grand total of 3 registered users, two of them being myself and the Admin account, also myself. After just 48 hours, that number had jumped up to 46, of which about half came from OT! My thought is that when the voters in my district visit my page for Neenah info, they'll see a sizable number of registered users...people who took the time to create a user name and password. I THINK that'll leave a favorable impression; i.e., that the information has value and that I've actually got something cogent and coherent to say. Would you all mind registering at www.NeenahPolitics.com? You just need to enter: * a user name * your first and last names (stay anonymous if you wish) * a display name * a password There, of course, is a profile page you can edit, but don't bother if you don't feel like it. There are two Canadians, two Germans, and a Brit already signed up. I would very much appreciate it if you could sign up, too. Thank you, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI, USA http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com P.S., My opponent for the position is a former Neenah Public Works Director. The newest viaduct built in town was named after him! If you drive west on Cecil St. over the new bridge, you'll see his first "yard sign": "Timothy Hamblin Bridge". I have my work cut out for me! -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:58:37 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:58:37 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498c7a51.07aa420a.2649.ffffba75@mx.google.com> OK, here is what you do.. 1. Dig big deep hole. 2. Make big solid metal box with windows and doors 3. Put said box in deep hole 4. Cover with heap plenty dirt topped with concrete plinth 2 feet deep. 5. Dig channels from surface to window and door openings. 6. Line channels with steel. 7. laugh at the building flying overhead during a tornado strike. 8. Patent the design. 9. Makes heaps of money - donate it to AccessD Maxx Sheesh - do I have to solve everybody's problems!! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 17:44 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In Minnesota, sooner or later it all gets hit by a tornado. And even if you had a solid steel box for a house, it will still get picked up and carried a Km or so, and badly dented when it drops back down to the ground. That Wizard of Oz stuff is a Good day! So, we build to survive for a while, and pay insurance for when it doesn't. Also in Minnesota, there are no wooden roof tiles - wouldn't last for a single winter! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > house start getting blown around House of straw eh! In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and you often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN or Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, steel - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and then wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 12:03:57 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:03:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30902060943k645c7fc1o3990b97da891324e@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30902060943k645c7fc1o3990b97da891324e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498C7B8D.3020104@colbyconsulting.com> Very nice DotNetNuke site! ;-) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Erbach wrote: > Dear Group, > > I've sent this appeal to the dba-OT group and they responded > magnificently. I apologize if you've seen this already as an OT > member, but I hope you won't mind since I waited until AccessD OT > Friday to ask. > > I'm running for the 3rd District Aldermanic position in Neenah, WI. > For better or worse, I've decided to devote some time to a blog > (http://www.NeenahPolitics.com) dealing with politics in my city. > There've been fireworks recently > (http://www.neenahpolitics.com/Home/tabid/171/EntryID/114/Default.aspx), > so you may not find reading about some puddle-jump town in Wisconsin > so boring. > > There is a registered user stat on the home page. When I asked the > OT-ites to register at the site there was a grand total of 3 > registered users, two of them being myself and the Admin account, also > myself. After just 48 hours, that number had jumped up to 46, of > which about half came from OT! > > My thought is that when the voters in my district visit my page for > Neenah info, they'll see a sizable number of registered users...people > who took the time to create a user name and password. I THINK that'll > leave a favorable impression; i.e., that the information has value and > that I've actually got something cogent and coherent to say. > > Would you all mind registering at www.NeenahPolitics.com? You just > need to enter: > > * a user name > * your first and last names (stay anonymous if you wish) > * a display name > * a password > > There, of course, is a profile page you can edit, but don't bother if > you don't feel like it. > > There are two Canadians, two Germans, and a Brit already signed up. I > would very much appreciate it if you could sign up, too. > > Thank you, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI, USA > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > > P.S., My opponent for the position is a former Neenah Public Works > Director. The newest viaduct built in town was named after him! If > you drive west on Cecil St. over the new bridge, you'll see his first > "yard sign": "Timothy Hamblin Bridge". I have my work cut out for me! From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Fri Feb 6 12:10:37 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:10:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that Max, I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. Very amusing. :-) Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). Here is something for yeese! Maxx An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . The American thanked the priest and went along his way . Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! Or proud to know one! ----------------------------------------------- From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com Fri Feb 6 12:13:31 2009 From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:13:31 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters><498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: When I was a student at Gustavus Adolphus college in Minnesota, I lived in three different student-housing buildings. One all brick, two traditional wood construction. All three buildings were nearing their 100th birthdays in 1998, when a tornado went through campus and the town of St. Peter, MN. All three of "my houses" were destroyed, regardless of the type of construction. Do a Google image search (or here: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gustavus+tornado&btnG=Search+Ima ges&gbv=2) for tons of pictures.... Thanks, Liz This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:44 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In Minnesota, sooner or later it all gets hit by a tornado. And even if you had a solid steel box for a house, it will still get picked up and carried a Km or so, and badly dented when it drops back down to the ground. That Wizard of Oz stuff is a Good day! So, we build to survive for a while, and pay insurance for when it doesn't. Also in Minnesota, there are no wooden roof tiles - wouldn't last for a single winter! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > house start getting blown around House of straw eh! In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and you often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN or Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, steel - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and then wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 6 12:14:49 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:14:49 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498c7a51.07aa420a.2649.ffffba75@mx.google.com> References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters> <498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> <498c7a51.07aa420a.2649.ffffba75@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <06BFF8FB411D442DA26524595A691BF3@danwaters> Well - it's been done pretty closely. There is a company here that sells 'Storm Closets' (or some name). This is a reinforced box that is intended to be installed in a new home. When a storm is threatening, head for the Storm Closet! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:59 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... OK, here is what you do.. 1. Dig big deep hole. 2. Make big solid metal box with windows and doors 3. Put said box in deep hole 4. Cover with heap plenty dirt topped with concrete plinth 2 feet deep. 5. Dig channels from surface to window and door openings. 6. Line channels with steel. 7. laugh at the building flying overhead during a tornado strike. 8. Patent the design. 9. Makes heaps of money - donate it to AccessD Maxx Sheesh - do I have to solve everybody's problems!! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 17:44 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In Minnesota, sooner or later it all gets hit by a tornado. And even if you had a solid steel box for a house, it will still get picked up and carried a Km or so, and badly dented when it drops back down to the ground. That Wizard of Oz stuff is a Good day! So, we build to survive for a while, and pay insurance for when it doesn't. Also in Minnesota, there are no wooden roof tiles - wouldn't last for a single winter! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > house start getting blown around House of straw eh! In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and you often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN or Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, steel - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and then wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 12:15:34 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:15:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> > I'm a practicing atheist, ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? ;-) I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Thanks for that Max, > > I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. Very amusing. :-) > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. > > I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. > > Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. > My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). > > Here is something for yeese! > > Maxx > > An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. > He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . > On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . > > The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . > The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . > > The American thanked the priest and went along his way . > > Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. > He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . > > She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . > 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . > > He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . > > The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . > He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' > > The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . > 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' > > The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . > > If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! > Or proud to know one! > ----------------------------------------------- > > From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 6 12:19:32 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:19:32 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Message-ID: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> One of my customers is considering placing their Access 2003 app on a Citrix server (we will have users in Asia). He says that he believes that more recent versions of Citrix are expected to work better with Access than in the past, but he's not saying for certain. Does anyone have recent experience placing an Access app on a Citrix server? Any issues unique to Access? Or any links to helpful information? Thanks! Dan From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 12:22:20 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:22:20 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498c7fe2.0589300a.3fd2.2294@mx.google.com> Ha! You beat me too it. I was going to ask that. Mind you being Scottish is a religion all on its own - isn't that right Lambert? Don't attack the Scots - they have powerful friends - me for example... Upset me and I will send the tornados down! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 06 February 2009 18:16 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > I'm a practicing atheist, ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? ;-) I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Thanks for that Max, > > I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. Very amusing. :-) > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. > > I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. > > Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. > My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). > > Here is something for yeese! > > Maxx > > An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. > He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . > On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . > > The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . > The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . > > The American thanked the priest and went along his way . > > Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. > He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . > > She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . > 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . > > He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . > > The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . > He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' > > The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . > 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' > > The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . > > If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! > Or proud to know one! > ----------------------------------------------- > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Fri Feb 6 12:22:51 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:22:51 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: Well of course I "atheist" John. If someone asks me what bronze age fairy story I believe in I will tell them none of them: I am an atheist. A practicing doctor is one who doctors, not one who has retired from the profession. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > I'm a practicing atheist, ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? ;-) I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Thanks for that Max, > > I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. > Very amusing. :-) > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. > > I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. > > Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. > My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). > > Here is something for yeese! > > Maxx > > An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. > He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . > On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . > > The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . > The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . > > The American thanked the priest and went along his way . > > Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. > He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . > > She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . > 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . > > He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . > > The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . > He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' > > The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . > 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' > > The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . > > If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! > Or proud to know one! > ----------------------------------------------- > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 12:24:22 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:24:22 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters><498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498c8060.08eb300a.3e68.ffff875c@mx.google.com> Aha. But that was before Dan had patented the Storm Closet....no? Max Ps. Bad images though. Can't begin to imagine the distress all that caused. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com Sent: 06 February 2009 18:14 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... When I was a student at Gustavus Adolphus college in Minnesota, I lived in three different student-housing buildings. One all brick, two traditional wood construction. All three buildings were nearing their 100th birthdays in 1998, when a tornado went through campus and the town of St. Peter, MN. All three of "my houses" were destroyed, regardless of the type of construction. Do a Google image search (or here: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gustavus+tornado&btnG=Search+Ima ges&gbv=2) for tons of pictures.... Thanks, Liz This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:44 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In Minnesota, sooner or later it all gets hit by a tornado. And even if you had a solid steel box for a house, it will still get picked up and carried a Km or so, and badly dented when it drops back down to the ground. That Wizard of Oz stuff is a Good day! So, we build to survive for a while, and pay insurance for when it doesn't. Also in Minnesota, there are no wooden roof tiles - wouldn't last for a single winter! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > house start getting blown around House of straw eh! In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and you often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN or Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, steel - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and then wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 12:25:54 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:25:54 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498c7fe2.0589300a.3fd2.2294@mx.google.com> Message-ID: > Upset me and I will send the tornados down! =====Mom... is that you????? ;) Susan H. From Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com Fri Feb 6 12:30:39 2009 From: Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com (Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:30:39 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... References: <0F026D60AB994A78862A6DDDA8E5D462@danwaters><498c6bc2.1401420a.604b.62e0@mx.google.com> <498c8060.08eb300a.3e68.ffff875c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Many years before :) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:24 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Aha. But that was before Dan had patented the Storm Closet....no? Max Ps. Bad images though. Can't begin to imagine the distress all that caused. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth.J.Doering at wellsfargo.com Sent: 06 February 2009 18:14 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... When I was a student at Gustavus Adolphus college in Minnesota, I lived in three different student-housing buildings. One all brick, two traditional wood construction. All three buildings were nearing their 100th birthdays in 1998, when a tornado went through campus and the town of St. Peter, MN. All three of "my houses" were destroyed, regardless of the type of construction. Do a Google image search (or here: http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=gustavus+tornado&btnG=Search+Ima ges&gbv=2) for tons of pictures.... Thanks, Liz This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:44 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In Minnesota, sooner or later it all gets hit by a tornado. And even if you had a solid steel box for a house, it will still get picked up and carried a Km or so, and badly dented when it drops back down to the ground. That Wizard of Oz stuff is a Good day! So, we build to survive for a while, and pay insurance for when it doesn't. Also in Minnesota, there are no wooden roof tiles - wouldn't last for a single winter! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:57 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > house start getting blown around House of straw eh! In Britland we make ours out of bricks and mortar. Have you not hear of The Three Little Pigs and the Big Bad Wolf? I am always amazed at what damage the wind causes folks in US of A and you often see only the chimney standing with everything else gone (via CNN or Fox TV reports etc). Why don't you folks use Bricks, concrete, metal, steel - anything more robust than wood? You even have wooden roof tiles and then wonder why it catches fire so easy - sheesh! Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: 06 February 2009 16:46 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Indiana? C'mon . . . In Minnesota we only shut the windows if the wind picks up and things in the house start getting blown around. The temperature doesn't have anything to do with it. Have a warm day! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:26 AM To: 'Access-D Email (accessd at databaseadvisors.com)' Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... 65 above zero: Floridians turn on the heat. People in Indiana plant gardens. 60 above zero: Californians shiver uncontrollably. People in Indiana sunbathe. 50 above zero: Italian & English cars won't start. People in Indiana drive with the windows down. 40 above zero: Georgians don coats, thermal underwear, gloves, wool hats. People in Indiana throw on a flannel shirt. 35 above zero: New York landlords finally turn up the heat. People in Indiana have the last cookout before it gets cold. 20 above Zero: People in Miami all die. Hoosiers close the windows. Zero: Californians fly away to Mexico. People in Indiana get out their winter coats. 10 below zero: Hollywood disintegrates. The Girl Scouts in Indiana are selling cookies door to door. 20 below zero: Washington DC runs out of hot air. People in Indiana let the dogs sleep indoors. 30 below zero: Santa Claus abandons the North Pole. Hoosiers get upset because they can't start the Snow-mobile. 40 below zero: ALL atomic motion stops. People in Indiana start saying...'Cold enough fer ya?' 50 below zero: Hell freezes over. Public schools in Indiana will open 2 hours late -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 12:34:42 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:34:42 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498c7fe2.0589300a.3fd2.2294@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498c82c7.1185300a.125c.2103@mx.google.com> Noooo. Mom is m.o.m. I am Max m.a.x. aka the Handsome One.. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 06 February 2009 18:26 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > Upset me and I will send the tornados down! =====Mom... is that you????? ;) Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 6 12:36:18 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:36:18 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <4474DCA999D344BE8AA167171737FF2E@HAL9005> I knew a former nun once who kicked the habit. Seems she wanted to date people of the other sects. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:16 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > I'm a practicing atheist, ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? ;-) I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Thanks for that Max, > > I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. > Very amusing. :-) > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. > > I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. > > Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. > My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). > > Here is something for yeese! > > Maxx > > An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. > He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . > On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . > > The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . > The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . > > The American thanked the priest and went along his way . > > Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. > He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . > > She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . > 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . > > He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . > > The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . > He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' > > The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . > 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' > > The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . > > If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! > Or proud to know one! > ----------------------------------------------- > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 12:37:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:37:02 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498c8354.07ed300a.53dd.33c2@mx.google.com> So there! Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 06 February 2009 18:23 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Well of course I "atheist" John. If someone asks me what bronze age fairy story I believe in I will tell them none of them: I am an atheist. A practicing doctor is one who doctors, not one who has retired from the profession. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > I'm a practicing atheist, ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? ;-) I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Thanks for that Max, > > I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. > Very amusing. :-) > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. > > I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. > > Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. > My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). > > Here is something for yeese! > > Maxx > > An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. > He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . > On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . > > The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . > The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . > > The American thanked the priest and went along his way . > > Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. > He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . > > She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . > 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . > > He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . > > The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . > He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' > > The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . > 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' > > The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . > > If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! > Or proud to know one! > ----------------------------------------------- > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 6 12:40:25 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:40:25 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Message-ID: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> My 12 y.o. is home sick today. So I'm keeping him busy playing with some old computers I have. He just asked me why all computer's hard drives are drive C. And I knew the answer. From my own experience. I guess I'm officially a cyber-senior. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 12:47:00 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:47:00 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <498c85aa.03eb300a.54e0.73d3@mx.google.com> Yeah, well I know too.... Max Ps. I don't think you do know. I think you are fishing, hoping somebody will blurt out the answer and then you can tell your son....hehe -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 06 February 2009 18:40 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old My 12 y.o. is home sick today. So I'm keeping him busy playing with some old computers I have. He just asked me why all computer's hard drives are drive C. And I knew the answer. From my own experience. I guess I'm officially a cyber-senior. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 12:50:21 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:50:21 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <4474DCA999D344BE8AA167171737FF2E@HAL9005> References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <4474DCA999D344BE8AA167171737FF2E@HAL9005> Message-ID: <498c8673.1185300a.147d.128e@mx.google.com> Groan....but good! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 06 February 2009 18:36 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... I knew a former nun once who kicked the habit. Seems she wanted to date people of the other sects. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:16 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > I'm a practicing atheist, ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? ;-) I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Thanks for that Max, > > I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. > Very amusing. :-) > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. > > I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. > > Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. > My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). > > Here is something for yeese! > > Maxx > > An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. > He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . > On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . > > The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . > The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . > > The American thanked the priest and went along his way . > > Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. > He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . > > She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . > 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . > > He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . > > The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . > He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' > > The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . > 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' > > The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . > > If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! > Or proud to know one! > ----------------------------------------------- > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Feb 6 12:52:39 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:52:39 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> Message-ID: Hmmm, is it because A and B were Floppy drives? Just curious if this qualifies me as cyber-senior?!?! Of course, the only experience I had with punch cards were as lunch tickets in elementary school! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old My 12 y.o. is home sick today. So I'm keeping him busy playing with some old computers I have. He just asked me why all computer's hard drives are drive C. And I knew the answer. From my own experience. I guess I'm officially a cyber-senior. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 12:53:23 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:53:23 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> LOL. And that does bring up an interesting question. If machines don't have floppies at a: and B: any more, could we move the CD drives to there? For ages I have routinely moved them to J, K and L just to get them up out of the way, but I now install a floppy drive just as long as required to load my raid drivers, then uninstall them again. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > My 12 y.o. is home sick today. So I'm keeping him busy playing with some > old computers I have. He just asked me why all computer's hard drives are > drive C. And I knew the answer. From my own experience. I guess I'm > officially a cyber-senior. > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 6 12:57:21 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:57:21 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> Message-ID: <83C8948C388348058C63D26F8FF126C3@HAL9005> You're in! Pass the geritol... Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Hmmm, is it because A and B were Floppy drives? Just curious if this qualifies me as cyber-senior?!?! Of course, the only experience I had with punch cards were as lunch tickets in elementary school! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old My 12 y.o. is home sick today. So I'm keeping him busy playing with some old computers I have. He just asked me why all computer's hard drives are drive C. And I knew the answer. From my own experience. I guess I'm officially a cyber-senior. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 12:57:40 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 13:57:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498C8824.1000304@colbyconsulting.com> Oh c'mon Lambert, you don't believe in the tooth fairy, or Santa Clause, or the Easter Bunny? What a jaded guy you are. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Well of course I "atheist" John. > > If someone asks me what bronze age fairy story I believe in I will tell them none of them: I am an atheist. A practicing doctor is one who doctors, not one who has retired from the profession. > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:16 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > > I'm a practicing atheist, > > ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? > > ;-) > > I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? > > > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Heenan, Lambert wrote: >> Thanks for that Max, >> >> I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. >> Very amusing. :-) >> >> Lambert >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo >> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... >> >> I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. >> >> I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. >> >> Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. >> My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). >> >> Here is something for yeese! >> >> Maxx >> >> An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. >> He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . >> On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . >> >> The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . >> The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . >> >> The American thanked the priest and went along his way . >> >> Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. >> He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . >> >> She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . >> 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . >> >> He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . >> >> The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . >> He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' >> >> The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . >> 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' >> >> The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . >> >> If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! >> Or proud to know one! >> ----------------------------------------------- >> >> > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:02:44 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:02:44 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498C8824.1000304@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: If my fairy suddenly drops dead, I'm going to know who to hold responsible... Susan H. > Oh c'mon Lambert, you don't believe in the tooth fairy, or Santa Clause, > or the Easter Bunny? What > a jaded guy you are. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:02:30 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:02:30 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498c894d.0af5660a.5e73.5974@mx.google.com> So, is that Rangers or Celtic?? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 06 February 2009 18:23 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Well of course I "atheist" John. If someone asks me what bronze age fairy story I believe in I will tell them none of them: I am an atheist. A practicing doctor is one who doctors, not one who has retired from the profession. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > I'm a practicing atheist, ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? ;-) I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Thanks for that Max, > > I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. > Very amusing. :-) > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. > > I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of humour and great passion. > > Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. > My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). > > Here is something for yeese! > > Maxx > > An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. > He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . > On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . > > The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by what the telephone was used for . > The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . > > The American thanked the priest and went along his way . > > Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. > He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . > > She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 he could talk to God . > 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . > > He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . > > The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the same phone . > He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' > > The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . > 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' > > The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . > > If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! > Or proud to know one! > ----------------------------------------------- > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:09:00 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Denis Sherman) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:09:00 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh In-Reply-To: References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498C8824.1000304@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498c8ad0.07a0660a.22e2.0a1c@mx.google.com> Oh Oh. Another hour or so and our Antipodean friends will be coming on-line. It will be Saturday there. So OT Friday is nearly done! Max From garykjos at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:10:03 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:10:03 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: I tried that once and as I recall it didn't work right for me and I ended up moving it back. I think something wouldn't allow it to function properly as a CD drive when I did that. I get conflicts all the time with the USB drive devices flash drives and cameras and memory card readers. Some less than bright person here at work has decided that the F: drive is everyones personal network space. So that always gets in the way of other stuff. GK On 2/6/09, jwcolby wrote: > LOL. And that does bring up an interesting question. If machines don't have floppies at a: and B: > any more, could we move the CD drives to there? For ages I have routinely moved them to J, K and L > just to get them up out of the way, but I now install a floppy drive just as long as required to > load my raid drivers, then uninstall them again. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > > My 12 y.o. is home sick today. So I'm keeping him busy playing with some > > old computers I have. He just asked me why all computer's hard drives are > > drive C. And I knew the answer. From my own experience. I guess I'm > > officially a cyber-senior. > > > > > > > > Rocky Smolin > > > > Beach Access Software > > > > 858-259-4334 > > > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:10:00 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:10:00 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <83C8948C388348058C63D26F8FF126C3@HAL9005> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <83C8948C388348058C63D26F8FF126C3@HAL9005> Message-ID: <498c8b0d.0c11660a.0cfa.ffff970d@mx.google.com> Geritol? Is that a brand name for Viagra? Sounds suspicious to me. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 06 February 2009 18:57 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old You're in! Pass the geritol... Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Hmmm, is it because A and B were Floppy drives? Just curious if this qualifies me as cyber-senior?!?! Of course, the only experience I had with punch cards were as lunch tickets in elementary school! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old My 12 y.o. is home sick today. So I'm keeping him busy playing with some old computers I have. He just asked me why all computer's hard drives are drive C. And I knew the answer. From my own experience. I guess I'm officially a cyber-senior. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Fri Feb 6 13:10:36 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:10:36 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: The answer for Windoze XP is a resounding "No" I suspect. Could be wrong of course, but I'm sitting in front of a machine that does have a floppy drive (though I've never used it for anything), and the 'Change Drive Letter and Paths' dialog does not offer me drive A or B to choose from. That's probably because having a floppy, which is A, drive B is reserved for when you do something like Copy a:*.* b: Which will result in A having a schizophrenic interlude. I just checked this out by disabling the floppy drive in the BIOS. After rebooting, a peek ad the drive management screen reveals... Roll of drums... A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives are an essential legacy support item. :-) Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:53 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old LOL. And that does bring up an interesting question. If machines don't have floppies at a: and B: any more, could we move the CD drives to there? For ages I have routinely moved them to J, K and L just to get them up out of the way, but I now install a floppy drive just as long as required to load my raid drivers, then uninstall them again. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 6 13:12:01 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:12:01 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <498c8b0d.0c11660a.0cfa.ffff970d@mx.google.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <83C8948C388348058C63D26F8FF126C3@HAL9005> <498c8b0d.0c11660a.0cfa.ffff970d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You're obviously no old. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:10 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Geritol? Is that a brand name for Viagra? Sounds suspicious to me. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 06 February 2009 18:57 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old You're in! Pass the geritol... Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Hmmm, is it because A and B were Floppy drives? Just curious if this qualifies me as cyber-senior?!?! Of course, the only experience I had with punch cards were as lunch tickets in elementary school! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old My 12 y.o. is home sick today. So I'm keeping him busy playing with some old computers I have. He just asked me why all computer's hard drives are drive C. And I knew the answer. From my own experience. I guess I'm officially a cyber-senior. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com Fri Feb 6 13:13:10 2009 From: Lambert.Heenan at AIG.com (Heenan, Lambert) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:13:10 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: <498c894d.0af5660a.5e73.5974@mx.google.com> References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498c894d.0af5660a.5e73.5974@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I walked away from that particularly sectarian scene a long, long time ago. :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:03 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... So, is that Rangers or Celtic?? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 06 February 2009 18:23 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Well of course I "atheist" John. If someone asks me what bronze age fairy story I believe in I will tell them none of them: I am an atheist. A practicing doctor is one who doctors, not one who has retired from the profession. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > I'm a practicing atheist, ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? ;-) I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Thanks for that Max, > > I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. > Very amusing. :-) > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. > > I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of > humour and great passion. > > Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. > My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the > pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). > > Here is something for yeese! > > Maxx > > An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. > He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . > On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he > noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . > > The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by > what the telephone was used for . > The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . > > The American thanked the priest and went along his way . > > Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw > the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. > He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando > and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . > > She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 > he could talk to God . > 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . > > He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . > > The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the > same phone . > He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, > there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' > > The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . > 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same > golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' > > The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . > > If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! > Or proud to know one! > ----------------------------------------------- > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:15:31 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:15:31 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <83C8948C388348058C63D26F8FF126C3@HAL9005> <498c8b0d.0c11660a.0cfa.ffff970d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498c8c57.18e7300a.2119.fffffd35@mx.google.com> Smile... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 06 February 2009 19:12 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old You're obviously no old. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:10 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Geritol? Is that a brand name for Viagra? Sounds suspicious to me. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: 06 February 2009 18:57 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old You're in! Pass the geritol... Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:53 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Hmmm, is it because A and B were Floppy drives? Just curious if this qualifies me as cyber-senior?!?! Of course, the only experience I had with punch cards were as lunch tickets in elementary school! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:40 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old My 12 y.o. is home sick today. So I'm keeping him busy playing with some old computers I have. He just asked me why all computer's hard drives are drive C. And I knew the answer. From my own experience. I guess I'm officially a cyber-senior. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:17:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:17:51 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all that!) that if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will prompt you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has read the first floppy disk. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 06 February 2009 19:11 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old The answer for Windoze XP is a resounding "No" I suspect. Could be wrong of course, but I'm sitting in front of a machine that does have a floppy drive (though I've never used it for anything), and the 'Change Drive Letter and Paths' dialog does not offer me drive A or B to choose from. That's probably because having a floppy, which is A, drive B is reserved for when you do something like Copy a:*.* b: Which will result in A having a schizophrenic interlude. I just checked this out by disabling the floppy drive in the BIOS. After rebooting, a peek ad the drive management screen reveals... Roll of drums... A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives are an essential legacy support item. :-) Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:53 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old LOL. And that does bring up an interesting question. If machines don't have floppies at a: and B: any more, could we move the CD drives to there? For ages I have routinely moved them to J, K and L just to get them up out of the way, but I now install a floppy drive just as long as required to load my raid drivers, then uninstall them again. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:22:06 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:22:06 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... In-Reply-To: References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498c894d.0af5660a.5e73.5974@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498c8de3.0baa660a.5362.3e58@mx.google.com> Aaahhh. I cannot wind you up then. I have my mate Rob - Rangers blue and blue I also have my mate Ian - Celtic through and through. I am in the middle and have great fun bouncing ribald comments between them. Eg. Ian sent me this: "A Rangers Fan got knocked down and killed by a truck outside my house today. I thought to myself 'Wow. That could have been me' but sadly I can't drive a truck" I sent it on to Rob. Rob said "z?!*((*D$%%$!!" or something similar I just love it - keeps me going every day. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 06 February 2009 19:13 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... I walked away from that particularly sectarian scene a long, long time ago. :-) -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:03 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... So, is that Rangers or Celtic?? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert Sent: 06 February 2009 18:23 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... Well of course I "atheist" John. If someone asks me what bronze age fairy story I believe in I will tell them none of them: I am an atheist. A practicing doctor is one who doctors, not one who has retired from the profession. Lambert -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > I'm a practicing atheist, ROTFL. How do you practice being an athiest? ;-) I mean a "practicing doctor or lawyer" means they actually doctor or lawyer. Do you actually athiest? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > Thanks for that Max, > > I'm a practicing atheist, but appreciate the 'local call' sentiment. > Very amusing. :-) > > Lambert > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:12 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Is it cold enough for ya? Haha... > > I wish I had of know you were a Scot, Lambert. > > I love the Scots. Great people with great hearts great sense of > humour and great passion. > > Recently saw Braveheart and cried for William Wallace. > My best mate Rob is a Scotsman and he cries whenever he hears the > pipes, Flower of Scotland or a lament or too many drams (in his case that is a lot of drams - ha!). > > Here is something for yeese! > > Maxx > > An American decided to write a book about famous churches around the world. > He bought a plane ticket and took a trip to Orlando , thinking that he would start by working his way across the USA from South to North . > On his first day he was inside a church taking photographs when he > noticed a golden telephone mounted on the wall with a sign that read '$10,000 per call' . > > The American, being intrigued, asked a priest who was strolling by > what the telephone was used for . > The priest replied that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 you could talk to God . > > The American thanked the priest and went along his way . > > Next stop was in Atlanta . There, at a very large cathedral, he saw > the same looking golden telephone with the same sign under it. > He wondered if this was the same kind of telephone he saw in Orlando > and he asked a nearby nun what its purpose was . > > She told him that it was a direct line to heaven and that for $10,000 > he could talk to God . > 'O.K., thank you,' said the American . > > He then travelled all across America , Africa, England , Japan , New Zealand . In every church he saw the same looking golden telephone with the same '$US10,000 per call' sign under it. . > > The American decided to travel to Scotland to see if Scots had the > same phone . > He arrived in Scotland and again, in the first church he entered, > there was the same looking golden telephone, but this time the sign under it read '40 pence per call.' > > The American was surprised so he asked the priest about the sign . > 'Father, I've travelled all over the world and I've seen this same > golden telephone in many churches . I'm told that it is a direct line to Heaven, but in all of them price was $10,000 per call . Why is it so cheap here?' > > The priest smiled and answered, 'You're in Scotland now, son - it's a local call' . > > If you are proud to be a Scot pass this on! > Or proud to know one! > ----------------------------------------------- > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:22:37 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:22:37 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005><498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3331DEA7DEF7463FA08AC40E802115E4@SusanOne> > A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives > are an essential legacy support item. :-) =========Unlike their products, which some of us still actually use. Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:24:29 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 14:24:29 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne> Not only has Max earned his daily dose of Geritol, but give that man a handy dandy box of punch cards (punch not included). Susan H. >I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all that!) >that > if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will > prompt > you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has read > the first floppy disk. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 13:25:11 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:25:11 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498C8E97.4090001@colbyconsulting.com> I was upgrading a computer for a member of my church earlier this week. He is starting to write for a newsletter that he wrote for back in the 90s, and he used to send them the articles on Floppy. Now they want it on CD. The CD player in his machine wouldn't write, and he did not have a clue how to use one, so I had to install one that would write and show him how to get XP to write files to it. It is getting pretty tough to even find floppy disks any more, and new systems don't come with the drives. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > The answer for Windoze XP is a resounding "No" I suspect. Could be wrong of course, but I'm sitting in front of a machine that does have a floppy drive (though I've never used it for anything), and the 'Change Drive Letter and Paths' dialog does not offer me drive A or B to choose from. That's probably because having a floppy, which is A, drive B is reserved for when you do something like > > Copy a:*.* b: > > Which will result in A having a schizophrenic interlude. > > I just checked this out by disabling the floppy drive in the BIOS. After rebooting, a peek ad the drive management screen reveals... > > Roll of drums... > > A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives are an essential legacy support item. :-) > > Lambert From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:29:02 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:29:02 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne> Message-ID: <498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> Was I right then? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 06 February 2009 19:24 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Not only has Max earned his daily dose of Geritol, but give that man a handy dandy box of punch cards (punch not included). Susan H. >I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all that!) >that > if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will > prompt > you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has read > the first floppy disk. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 13:31:17 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:31:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy drive for $600, all in one physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies (and fixed them in the US Navy) but my single board computer didn't have an interface for it. On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which I haven't even opened since we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR built into it but when that goes... John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all that!) that > if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will prompt > you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has read > the first floppy disk. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: 06 February 2009 19:11 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > The answer for Windoze XP is a resounding "No" I suspect. Could be wrong of > course, but I'm sitting in front of a machine that does have a floppy drive > (though I've never used it for anything), and the 'Change Drive Letter and > Paths' dialog does not offer me drive A or B to choose from. That's probably > because having a floppy, which is A, drive B is reserved for when you do > something like > > Copy a:*.* b: > > Which will result in A having a schizophrenic interlude. > > I just checked this out by disabling the floppy drive in the BIOS. After > rebooting, a peek ad the drive management screen reveals... > > Roll of drums... > > A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives > are an essential legacy support item. :-) > > Lambert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:53 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > LOL. And that does bring up an interesting question. If machines don't > have floppies at a: and B: > any more, could we move the CD drives to there? For ages I have routinely > moved them to J, K and L just to get them up out of the way, but I now > install a floppy drive just as long as required to load my raid drivers, > then uninstall them again. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:31:49 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:31:49 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT:Floppy Disk Drives In-Reply-To: <498C8E97.4090001@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498C8E97.4090001@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498c902a.07a0660a.219f.1b19@mx.google.com> John, You can buy external ones. I have an external floppy disk drive with a USB connection which plugs into my laptop's usb but could equally be a USB port on a PC. Not expensive but I would say buy it now because sourcing it in the future my become more difficult. But in the scenario you quote, why doesn't he write it on his PC. Print it to a pseudo print driver as a PDF file, send that to them via email or a website and they carry on from there. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 06 February 2009 19:25 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old I was upgrading a computer for a member of my church earlier this week. He is starting to write for a newsletter that he wrote for back in the 90s, and he used to send them the articles on Floppy. Now they want it on CD. The CD player in his machine wouldn't write, and he did not have a clue how to use one, so I had to install one that would write and show him how to get XP to write files to it. It is getting pretty tough to even find floppy disks any more, and new systems don't come with the drives. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Heenan, Lambert wrote: > The answer for Windoze XP is a resounding "No" I suspect. Could be wrong of course, but I'm sitting in front of a machine that does have a floppy drive (though I've never used it for anything), and the 'Change Drive Letter and Paths' dialog does not offer me drive A or B to choose from. That's probably because having a floppy, which is A, drive B is reserved for when you do something like > > Copy a:*.* b: > > Which will result in A having a schizophrenic interlude. > > I just checked this out by disabling the floppy drive in the BIOS. After rebooting, a peek ad the drive management screen reveals... > > Roll of drums... > > A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives are an essential legacy support item. :-) > > Lambert -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:32:51 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:32:51 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <3331DEA7DEF7463FA08AC40E802115E4@SusanOne> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005><498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <3331DEA7DEF7463FA08AC40E802115E4@SusanOne> Message-ID: <498c9067.06a1660a.5217.ffff98af@mx.google.com> Oooooh. Do I detect a tiny trace of sarcasm. Just a tickle around the corner of the eye.... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 06 February 2009 19:23 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives > are an essential legacy support item. :-) =========Unlike their products, which some of us still actually use. Susan H. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Feb 6 13:36:52 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 08:36:52 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh In-Reply-To: <498c8ad0.07a0660a.22e2.0a1c@mx.google.com> References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498C8824.1000304@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ad0.07a0660a.22e2.0a1c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <250007B58F314067B649B345144F9BEF@stevePC> I've been up this fine Saturday morning, and busily reading this very active group, for about an hour and a half already. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Denis Sherman" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:09 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh > Oh Oh. Another hour or so and our Antipodean friends will be coming > on-line. > It will be Saturday there. So OT Friday is nearly done! > > Max From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:41:11 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:41:11 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh In-Reply-To: <250007B58F314067B649B345144F9BEF@stevePC> References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498C8824.1000304@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ad0.07a0660a.22e2.0a1c@mx.google.com> <250007B58F314067B649B345144F9BEF@stevePC> Message-ID: <498c925a.0aa1660a.6237.ffff8a67@mx.google.com> Would you like my Oz pps file - not rude - very good. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 06 February 2009 19:37 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh I've been up this fine Saturday morning, and busily reading this very active group, for about an hour and a half already. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Denis Sherman" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:09 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh > Oh Oh. Another hour or so and our Antipodean friends will be coming > on-line. > It will be Saturday there. So OT Friday is nearly done! > > Max -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:42:11 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:42:11 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT:VHS to CD In-Reply-To: <498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498c9297.0ab6660a.0bf3.21ac@mx.google.com> Well, you do know I suppose that you can transfer them to CD (or your pc, or both). Hardware about ?80 here in Britland. Reads the VHS and outputs a CD. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 06 February 2009 19:31 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy drive for $600, all in one physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies (and fixed them in the US Navy) but my single board computer didn't have an interface for it. On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which I haven't even opened since we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR built into it but when that goes... John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all that!) that > if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will prompt > you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has read > the first floppy disk. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert > Sent: 06 February 2009 19:11 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > The answer for Windoze XP is a resounding "No" I suspect. Could be wrong of > course, but I'm sitting in front of a machine that does have a floppy drive > (though I've never used it for anything), and the 'Change Drive Letter and > Paths' dialog does not offer me drive A or B to choose from. That's probably > because having a floppy, which is A, drive B is reserved for when you do > something like > > Copy a:*.* b: > > Which will result in A having a schizophrenic interlude. > > I just checked this out by disabling the floppy drive in the BIOS. After > rebooting, a peek ad the drive management screen reveals... > > Roll of drums... > > A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives > are an essential legacy support item. :-) > > Lambert > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:53 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > LOL. And that does bring up an interesting question. If machines don't > have floppies at a: and B: > any more, could we move the CD drives to there? For ages I have routinely > moved them to J, K and L just to get them up out of the way, but I now > install a floppy drive just as long as required to load my raid drivers, > then uninstall them again. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:43:54 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:43:54 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor In-Reply-To: <498c7946.1ae7300a.52c7.02dd@mx.google.com> References: <39cb22f30902060943k645c7fc1o3990b97da891324e@mail.gmail.com> <498c7946.1ae7300a.52c7.02dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30902061143w2882b8ddw716c25a20444298c@mail.gmail.com> Max, I wouldn't be surprised if the owners set up a Jake web site to extend all the media attention they've gotten over this. Apparently, a radio station is coming to their house this weekend to record Jake's crows, and they're going to sell the CD's and give the proceeds to charity. Gawd! Grandstanding, in my opinion. Thanks for registering. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > OK, I have done that for you. Now, how do I register for Jake the Rooster? > Seems a great guy! > > Maxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 06 February 2009 17:43 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor > > Dear Group, > > I've sent this appeal to the dba-OT group and they responded > magnificently. I apologize if you've seen this already as an OT > member, but I hope you won't mind since I waited until AccessD OT > Friday to ask. > From erbachs at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:45:23 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 13:45:23 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor In-Reply-To: <498C7B8D.3020104@colbyconsulting.com> References: <39cb22f30902060943k645c7fc1o3990b97da891324e@mail.gmail.com> <498C7B8D.3020104@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30902061145x6e95aayc06ee9adb1097728@mail.gmail.com> John, Why, thank you, John! That's very kind of you to say so. I'm hoping to make it less generically DotNetNuke-ish soon, but there's a lot to do for the campaign. Thanks for registering...and pay a visit every once in a while, eh? Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 12:03 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Very nice DotNetNuke site! ;-) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Steve Erbach wrote: >> Dear Group, >> >> I've sent this appeal to the dba-OT group and they responded >> magnificently. I apologize if you've seen this already as an OT >> member, but I hope you won't mind since I waited until AccessD OT >> Friday to ask. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 13:46:48 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 19:46:48 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30902061143w2882b8ddw716c25a20444298c@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30902060943k645c7fc1o3990b97da891324e@mail.gmail.com> <498c7946.1ae7300a.52c7.02dd@mx.google.com> <39cb22f30902061143w2882b8ddw716c25a20444298c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498c93af.190c660a.1a14.4bfc@mx.google.com> Oh, they will be Cock-a-hoop over that. Bet they don't stop crowing for years... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach Sent: 06 February 2009 19:44 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor Max, I wouldn't be surprised if the owners set up a Jake web site to extend all the media attention they've gotten over this. Apparently, a radio station is coming to their house this weekend to record Jake's crows, and they're going to sell the CD's and give the proceeds to charity. Gawd! Grandstanding, in my opinion. Thanks for registering. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Max Wanadoo wrote: > OK, I have done that for you. Now, how do I register for Jake the Rooster? > Seems a great guy! > > Maxx > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Erbach > Sent: 06 February 2009 17:43 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] OT: A Friday favor > > Dear Group, > > I've sent this appeal to the dba-OT group and they responded > magnificently. I apologize if you've seen this already as an OT > member, but I hope you won't mind since I waited until AccessD OT > Friday to ask. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From miscellany at mvps.org Fri Feb 6 14:04:08 2009 From: miscellany at mvps.org (Steve Schapel) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:04:08 +1300 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh In-Reply-To: <498c925a.0aa1660a.6237.ffff8a67@mx.google.com> References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498C8824.1000304@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ad0.07a0660a.22e2.0a1c@mx.google.com> <250007B58F314067B649B345144F9BEF@stevePC> <498c925a.0aa1660a.6237.ffff8a67@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Max, Yes, why not. Thanks. I am an Australian myself, by long-term resident now in New Zealand. I have jut been back to Australia for my grandmother's 100th birthday, and had a wonderful time there. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Max Wanadoo" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:41 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh > Would you like my Oz pps file - not rude - very good. > Max > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 14:16:49 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 20:16:49 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh In-Reply-To: References: <498c6f66.01a8420a.1b54.ffff9c77@mx.google.com> <498C7E46.4070802@colbyconsulting.com> <498C8824.1000304@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ad0.07a0660a.22e2.0a1c@mx.google.com> <250007B58F314067B649B345144F9BEF@stevePC> <498c925a.0aa1660a.6237.ffff8a67@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498c9ab6.09b6660a.7b75.ffff9530@mx.google.com> It is on the way Steve. Congrats to your g'mother. That is a goodly number of years. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 06 February 2009 20:04 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh Hi Max, Yes, why not. Thanks. I am an Australian myself, by long-term resident now in New Zealand. I have jut been back to Australia for my grandmother's 100th birthday, and had a wonderful time there. Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Max Wanadoo" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 8:41 AM To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: Oh Oh > Would you like my Oz pps file - not rude - very good. > Max > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 14:44:48 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:44:48 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> Message-ID: <29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> I have lots of experience running an Access app on Terminal Services, and even with 70 users it was faster for me to develop on the remote TS box than on my local machine at home. I was completely floored. Assuming a fast pipe on both ends, I think you will be very pleased with the response time. (To be fair, our Access back end was SQL 2000.) hth, Arthur From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 14:47:01 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:47:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT:Floppy Disk Drives In-Reply-To: <498c902a.07a0660a.219f.1b19@mx.google.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498C8E97.4090001@colbyconsulting.com> <498c902a.07a0660a.219f.1b19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498CA1C5.7080803@colbyconsulting.com> They want it on CD. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > John, > > You can buy external ones. I have an external floppy disk drive with a USB > connection which plugs into my laptop's usb but could equally be a USB port > on a PC. > Not expensive but I would say buy it now because sourcing it in the future > my become more difficult. > > But in the scenario you quote, why doesn't he write it on his PC. Print it > to a pseudo print driver as a PDF file, send that to them via email or a > website and they carry on from there. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 06 February 2009 19:25 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > I was upgrading a computer for a member of my church earlier this week. He > is starting to write for > a newsletter that he wrote for back in the 90s, and he used to send them the > articles on Floppy. > Now they want it on CD. The CD player in his machine wouldn't write, and he > did not have a clue how > to use one, so I had to install one that would write and show him how to get > XP to write files to it. > > It is getting pretty tough to even find floppy disks any more, and new > systems don't come with the > drives. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Heenan, Lambert wrote: >> The answer for Windoze XP is a resounding "No" I suspect. Could be wrong > of course, but I'm sitting in front of a machine that does have a floppy > drive (though I've never used it for anything), and the 'Change Drive Letter > and Paths' dialog does not offer me drive A or B to choose from. That's > probably because having a floppy, which is A, drive B is reserved for when > you do something like >> Copy a:*.* b: >> >> Which will result in A having a schizophrenic interlude. >> >> I just checked this out by disabling the floppy drive in the BIOS. After > rebooting, a peek ad the drive management screen reveals... >> Roll of drums... >> >> A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives > are an essential legacy support item. :-) >> Lambert > From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 14:48:12 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:48:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT:VHS to CD In-Reply-To: <498c9297.0ab6660a.0bf3.21ac@mx.google.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> <498c9297.0ab6660a.0bf3.21ac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498CA20C.6020106@colbyconsulting.com> The quality is quite bad compared to direct dvd. I am just slowly replacing the ones I care about. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Well, you do know I suppose that you can transfer them to CD (or your pc, or > both). > Hardware about ?80 here in Britland. Reads the VHS and outputs a CD. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: 06 February 2009 19:31 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy drive > for $600, all in one > physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies (and fixed them in > the US Navy) but my single > board computer didn't have an interface for it. > > On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which I > haven't even opened since > we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR built > into it but when that goes... > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: >> I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all that!) > that >> if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will > prompt >> you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has read >> the first floppy disk. >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Heenan, Lambert >> Sent: 06 February 2009 19:11 >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old >> >> The answer for Windoze XP is a resounding "No" I suspect. Could be wrong > of >> course, but I'm sitting in front of a machine that does have a floppy > drive >> (though I've never used it for anything), and the 'Change Drive Letter and >> Paths' dialog does not offer me drive A or B to choose from. That's > probably >> because having a floppy, which is A, drive B is reserved for when you do >> something like >> >> Copy a:*.* b: >> >> Which will result in A having a schizophrenic interlude. >> >> I just checked this out by disabling the floppy drive in the BIOS. After >> rebooting, a peek ad the drive management screen reveals... >> >> Roll of drums... >> >> A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy drives >> are an essential legacy support item. :-) >> >> Lambert >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby >> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:53 PM >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old >> >> LOL. And that does bring up an interesting question. If machines don't >> have floppies at a: and B: >> any more, could we move the CD drives to there? For ages I have routinely >> moved them to J, K and L just to get them up out of the way, but I now >> install a floppy drive just as long as required to load my raid drivers, >> then uninstall them again. >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 14:50:33 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:50:33 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> <29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498CA299.8080905@colbyconsulting.com> Arthur, are you still in Bermuda? If so how is the job going? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Arthur Fuller wrote: > I have lots of experience running an Access app on Terminal Services, and > even with 70 users it was faster for me to develop on the remote TS box than > on my local machine at home. I was completely floored. Assuming a fast pipe > on both ends, I think you will be very pleased with the response time. (To > be fair, our Access back end was SQL 2000.) > > hth, > Arthur From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 6 15:04:37 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:04:37 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> <29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Arthur, Anything you can think of that might have been restrictive or need to know? I'll be switching out many users from running on their PC to using a Citrix window. Glad to hear about the response time! Was your FE linked to SQL 2000 or were you using an OLEDB Provider? Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access I have lots of experience running an Access app on Terminal Services, and even with 70 users it was faster for me to develop on the remote TS box than on my local machine at home. I was completely floored. Assuming a fast pipe on both ends, I think you will be very pleased with the response time. (To be fair, our Access back end was SQL 2000.) hth, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From pedro at plex.nl Fri Feb 6 15:16:09 2009 From: pedro at plex.nl (Pedro Janssen) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:16:09 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> Message-ID: <005301c988a0$21c5dd10$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Hello Dan, in the hospital where i work, we have access on citrix. We have only few troubles with citrix and access.With the citrix client version 8, we had focusproblems. But these focusproblems were for al office products under citrix. When client version 10 was installed. the where still some focusproblems, but these where minor. With focusproblems i mean. I close a table in access. Normally the focus then goes to the database window, but with citrix the focus sometimes went to another program, that was open, or to the desktop. Another issue with citrix is that not al virusscanners are citrix proof. When you use one that isn't, you get sometimes (or many times) an annoying type delay. You type the letters, but they appear seconds later. Whit scrolling this isn't annoying, but a pain in the a......... When scrolling through a large table, and the delay gets to the scrolling, you better go do something else. The scrolling then is very slow, can't be speed up and you have to wait and wait. Succes Best Wishes Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access > One of my customers is considering placing their Access 2003 app on a > Citrix > server (we will have users in Asia). He says that he believes that more > recent versions of Citrix are expected to work better with Access than in > the past, but he's not saying for certain. > > Does anyone have recent experience placing an Access app on a Citrix > server? > Any issues unique to Access? Or any links to helpful information? > > Thanks! > Dan > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 15:50:46 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:50:46 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <498CA299.8080905@colbyconsulting.com> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> <29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> <498CA299.8080905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0902061350m3f2030dbg1a0e0303bf234fff@mail.gmail.com> No I'm back in Toronto, just in time for the snowstorms. But it's nice to be back in big vibrant city again. I'm between contracts at the moment but I'm up for two government gigs. Figures --- the only people hiring are government ministries. A. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jwcolby wrote: > Arthur, are you still in Bermuda? If so how is the job going? > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > From dwaters at usinternet.com Fri Feb 6 15:53:04 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:53:04 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <005301c988a0$21c5dd10$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> <005301c988a0$21c5dd10$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> Message-ID: <5921EDC3A964434EBAA4F1FBBE762D13@danwaters> Thanks Pedro, Luckily I won't be looking at large tables! But I'll watch for the focus issues. Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:16 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hello Dan, in the hospital where i work, we have access on citrix. We have only few troubles with citrix and access.With the citrix client version 8, we had focusproblems. But these focusproblems were for al office products under citrix. When client version 10 was installed. the where still some focusproblems, but these where minor. With focusproblems i mean. I close a table in access. Normally the focus then goes to the database window, but with citrix the focus sometimes went to another program, that was open, or to the desktop. Another issue with citrix is that not al virusscanners are citrix proof. When you use one that isn't, you get sometimes (or many times) an annoying type delay. You type the letters, but they appear seconds later. Whit scrolling this isn't annoying, but a pain in the a......... When scrolling through a large table, and the delay gets to the scrolling, you better go do something else. The scrolling then is very slow, can't be speed up and you have to wait and wait. Succes Best Wishes Pedro ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Waters" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:19 PM Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access > One of my customers is considering placing their Access 2003 app on a > Citrix > server (we will have users in Asia). He says that he believes that more > recent versions of Citrix are expected to work better with Access than in > the past, but he's not saying for certain. > > Does anyone have recent experience placing an Access app on a Citrix > server? > Any issues unique to Access? Or any links to helpful information? > > Thanks! > Dan > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 15:55:14 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:55:14 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> <29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <29f585dd0902061355t1b138494vf2baaba7b64bebe@mail.gmail.com> We were using an ADP front end tied directly to SQL 2000 on Windows Server 2000 and then Server 2003. Plenty of RAM and a really fast SCSI set of drives. It was amazingly quick. I've never used Citrix. I gather it's something built on top of TS and adding a few features to the party, but I couldn't say what they are. A. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > Hi Arthur, > > Anything you can think of that might have been restrictive or need to know? > I'll be switching out many users from running on their PC to using a Citrix > window. > > Glad to hear about the response time! Was your FE linked to SQL 2000 or > were you using an OLEDB Provider? > > From fuller.artful at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:01:49 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:01:49 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <5921EDC3A964434EBAA4F1FBBE762D13@danwaters> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> <005301c988a0$21c5dd10$400aa8c0@qmotionfaa3ad9> <5921EDC3A964434EBAA4F1FBBE762D13@danwaters> Message-ID: <29f585dd0902061401y548eda56l73c5b8fbf0e4bb5e@mail.gmail.com> I was looking at relatively large tables (50,000 orders and about 500,000 order details). But I bound the forms to stored procedures rather than tables and applied what I call the Sally Rand principle (she was a famous stripper) -- show them only enough to maintain their interest. In practice that meant the sales "browser" showed sales from the last 30 days by default, with buttons to expand the scope to 60, 90. 120 and All. I showed only a few of the many columns. The browser was read-only and you could sort by column. To edit an order you double-clicked on any column in the row of interest. Then a master-detail form opened, containing the one order and its details. That resulted in lightning-fast response. Arthur On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Dan Waters wrote: > Thanks Pedro, > > Luckily I won't be looking at large tables! But I'll watch for the focus > issues. > > Dan > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Pedro Janssen > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:16 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access > > Hello Dan, > > in the hospital where i work, we have access on citrix. > We have only few troubles with citrix and access.With the citrix client > version 8, we had focusproblems. But these focusproblems were for al office > products under citrix. When client version 10 was installed. the where > still > > some focusproblems, but these where minor. With focusproblems i mean. I > close a table in access. Normally the focus then goes to the database > window, but with citrix the focus sometimes went to another program, that > was open, or to the desktop. > Another issue with citrix is that not al virusscanners are citrix proof. > When you use one that isn't, you get sometimes (or many times) an annoying > type delay. You type the letters, but they appear seconds later. Whit > scrolling this isn't annoying, but a pain in the a......... When scrolling > through a large table, and the delay gets to the scrolling, you better go > do > > something else. The scrolling then is very slow, can't be speed up and you > have to wait and wait. > > Succes > > Best Wishes > > Pedro > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Waters" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 7:19 PM > Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access > > > > One of my customers is considering placing their Access 2003 app on a > > Citrix > > server (we will have users in Asia). He says that he believes that more > > recent versions of Citrix are expected to work better with Access than in > > the past, but he's not saying for certain. > > > > Does anyone have recent experience placing an Access app on a Citrix > > server? > > Any issues unique to Access? Or any links to helpful information? > > > > Thanks! > > Dan > > > > > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:26:35 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:26:35 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne> <498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Yelp. :) I remember DOS when it was just DOS! ;) Susan H. > Was I right then? > From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:27:22 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:27:22 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <79C29B2E09AE4ACAA0927A0025802367@SusanOne> > On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which I > haven't even opened since > we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR built > into it but when that goes... ======Your local library will probably still take them -- at least for a while. :) Susan H. From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 16:27:57 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:27:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005><498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <3331DEA7DEF7463FA08AC40E802115E4@SusanOne> <498c9067.06a1660a.5217.ffff98af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0EC5ADB204824D60A0B2A57F5B839B14@SusanOne> Max, you're on a roll today! ;) Susan H. > Oooooh. Do I detect a tiny trace of sarcasm. Just a tickle around the > corner of the eye.... > >> A and B are still not available. So MS has just decided that floppy >> drives > >> are an essential legacy support item. :-) > > =========Unlike their products, which some of us still actually use. > > Susan H. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Feb 6 16:33:46 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:33:46 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) In-Reply-To: <498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne> <498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> Message-ID: For S & G's, I did a googling about drive letters, to see if there was anything out there about A and B drives that didn't have to do with older computers usually having one or two floppy drives... Nope, that's the real deal. No other mystical explanation. (Most people don't realize why IP addresses are four quads of 0 to 255... ;) ) Anyhow, in reading the pages I found, I discovered something VERY interesting about SUBST. For those of you who do not know, SUBST is a DOS command (but works in XP and Vista too), that allows you to 'create' a virtual drive off of a physical folder. For example, let's say you have a network drive 'T:' at work. And you have an application that depends on files being at T:\SomeFolder\*.* . Well if you create a folder on your C: drive, and call it TDrive (Thus C:\TDrive) then copy that 'SomeFolder' into that TDrive folder. Then, from a DOS prompt, you can put in: SUBST T: C:\TDrive And Whalla, you now have a T: drive, that is really the 'C:\TDrive' folder. Anywho...the neat thing I found out about SUBST that I never knew, is that SUBST actually let's you use non-alpha (some of them...) characters to create these 'virtual' drive letters. They don't appear to show up in Explorer though (at least not in Vista). I have a folder on my C drive called 'Downloads'. So in a dos prompt, the following command: SUBST $: C:\Downloads Allowed me to then go: $: Which gave me a: $:\ Prompt, which I could then do a DIR in, and it listed the contents of my 'money' drive! LOL Ok, I'm a geek! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:29 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Was I right then? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins Sent: 06 February 2009 19:24 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Not only has Max earned his daily dose of Geritol, but give that man a handy dandy box of punch cards (punch not included). Susan H. >I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all that!) >that > if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will > prompt > you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has read > the first floppy disk. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Feb 6 16:37:00 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:37:00 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: If they aren't store bought movie videos (which usually have Macro protection from copying), you can pretty easily convert them to a DVD with a computer that has a TV input jack (a lot of newer ones (last few years) have them). Just a thought.... Ya gotta admit though, the period where some PC's used cassette tape drives just plain sucked. Ever try to load a big program from one of those? Error... Error... Error... ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy drive for $600, all in one physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies (and fixed them in the US Navy) but my single board computer didn't have an interface for it. On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which I haven't even opened since we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR built into it but when that goes... John W. 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From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 17:07:23 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:07:23 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne> <498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00902061507xbede9e6s225bb057769694f1@mail.gmail.com> Did you try A or B drive? On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > For S & G's, I did a googling about drive letters, to see if there was > anything out there about A and B drives that didn't have to do with > older computers usually having one or two floppy drives... > > Nope, that's the real deal. No other mystical explanation. (Most > people don't realize why IP addresses are four quads of 0 to 255... ;) ) > > Anyhow, in reading the pages I found, I discovered something VERY > interesting about SUBST. For those of you who do not know, SUBST is a > DOS command (but works in XP and Vista too), that allows you to 'create' > a virtual drive off of a physical folder. > > For example, let's say you have a network drive 'T:' at work. And you > have an application that depends on files being at T:\SomeFolder\*.* . > Well if you create a folder on your C: drive, and call it TDrive (Thus > C:\TDrive) then copy that 'SomeFolder' into that TDrive folder. Then, > from a DOS prompt, you can put in: > > SUBST T: C:\TDrive > > And Whalla, you now have a T: drive, that is really the 'C:\TDrive' > folder. > > Anywho...the neat thing I found out about SUBST that I never knew, is > that SUBST actually let's you use non-alpha (some of them...) characters > to create these 'virtual' drive letters. They don't appear to show up > in Explorer though (at least not in Vista). > > I have a folder on my C drive called 'Downloads'. So in a dos prompt, > the following command: > > SUBST $: C:\Downloads > > Allowed me to then go: > > $: > > Which gave me a: > > $:\ > > Prompt, which I could then do a DIR in, and it listed the contents of my > 'money' drive! LOL > > Ok, I'm a geek! ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:29 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > Was I right then? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 06 February 2009 19:24 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > Not only has Max earned his daily dose of Geritol, but give that man a > handy > > dandy box of punch cards (punch not included). > > Susan H. > > >>I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all that!) > >>that >> if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will >> prompt >> you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has > read >> the first floppy disk. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 6 17:08:30 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:08:30 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <3002995E75E44E33BD65C5421A117388@HAL9005> I used paper tape. It wasn't very...robust. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old If they aren't store bought movie videos (which usually have Macro protection from copying), you can pretty easily convert them to a DVD with a computer that has a TV input jack (a lot of newer ones (last few years) have them). Just a thought.... Ya gotta admit though, the period where some PC's used cassette tape drives just plain sucked. Ever try to load a big program from one of those? Error... Error... Error... ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy drive for $600, all in one physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies (and fixed them in the US Navy) but my single board computer didn't have an interface for it. On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which I haven't even opened since we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR built into it but when that goes... John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Feb 6 17:15:22 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:15:22 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00902061507xbede9e6s225bb057769694f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005><498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com><498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00902061507xbede9e6s225bb057769694f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep, A and B both work, and they do show up in Windows Explorer too. Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:07 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) Did you try A or B drive? On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > For S & G's, I did a googling about drive letters, to see if there was > anything out there about A and B drives that didn't have to do with > older computers usually having one or two floppy drives... > > Nope, that's the real deal. No other mystical explanation. (Most > people don't realize why IP addresses are four quads of 0 to 255... ;) ) > > Anyhow, in reading the pages I found, I discovered something VERY > interesting about SUBST. For those of you who do not know, SUBST is a > DOS command (but works in XP and Vista too), that allows you to 'create' > a virtual drive off of a physical folder. > > For example, let's say you have a network drive 'T:' at work. And you > have an application that depends on files being at T:\SomeFolder\*.* . > Well if you create a folder on your C: drive, and call it TDrive (Thus > C:\TDrive) then copy that 'SomeFolder' into that TDrive folder. Then, > from a DOS prompt, you can put in: > > SUBST T: C:\TDrive > > And Whalla, you now have a T: drive, that is really the 'C:\TDrive' > folder. > > Anywho...the neat thing I found out about SUBST that I never knew, is > that SUBST actually let's you use non-alpha (some of them...) characters > to create these 'virtual' drive letters. They don't appear to show up > in Explorer though (at least not in Vista). > > I have a folder on my C drive called 'Downloads'. So in a dos prompt, > the following command: > > SUBST $: C:\Downloads > > Allowed me to then go: > > $: > > Which gave me a: > > $:\ > > Prompt, which I could then do a DIR in, and it listed the contents of my > 'money' drive! LOL > > Ok, I'm a geek! ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:29 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > Was I right then? > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan Harkins > Sent: 06 February 2009 19:24 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > Not only has Max earned his daily dose of Geritol, but give that man a > handy > > dandy box of punch cards (punch not included). > > Susan H. > > >>I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all that!) > >>that >> if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will >> prompt >> you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has > read >> the first floppy disk. > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 17:27:50 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:27:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <498CC776.4010102@colbyconsulting.com> I built my first two PCs from advertisements for parts from the back of Popular Electronics. My first home built was purchased and built in 1977, the year before I got out of the Navy. It was an "S100" (the backplane standard) z-80 1 mhz processor (could access 64K ram) board with (2) 4K static RAM boards (dynamic ram didn't exist yet), and (3) 8K static RAM boards, 1 of which never functioned properly. So I had a system with 24 K of RAM. It had a terminal board with 4K of RAM (80 * 24 lines IIRC) and a general IO board with a serial adapter which loaded data from a cassette tape at 1.2 KBaud. Somewhere or another I found a 16KB "Zapple basic" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapple_Monitor So I would spend 3 minutes loading the 16K zapple basic into my 24K or RAM, leaving me 8K for my programs. That was what I originally learned to program with, although it tended to crash a lot. My next computer, built in ~1982 was a HUGE step up, a SBC (single board computer), again a kit I purchased and soldered together. It used an 16 mhz 80186 uC and had onboard space for 256K dynamic RAM, although you could use these funky sockets that allowed "stacking" two ram chips on top of each other to double your RAM to 512k. The sockets were extremely unreliable so I eventually just soldered the bottom row of chips, then soldered another set on top. Bend out the CAS line and soldered a wire down into the board and voila, 512 Kbytes dynamic RAM hardwired. WOAH!!! That was the system with a dual 1mbyte floppy. It ran CPM86 and I purchased Turbo Pascal from some French guy nobody (including me) had ever heard of called Philippe Kahn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Kahn#Borland_.281982-1995.29 At that time (1980-84) I worked for a startup Graphics company called Megatek Corp down in Sorrento Valley, CA. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5247/is_n16_v12/ai_n28601533/pg_1 At that time they made high end graphics workstations and I repaired those workstations. In 1983 I found 4 of their low end workstations in the dumpster and hauled them back in to the plant and requested to be allowed to keep them. They were in the dumpster because they were engineering prototypes and had to be destroyed for "tax reasons". Like hell I said, and eventually I got permission to take them home. My SBC had a pair of "high speed serial" ports and could talk to these terminals at 128K bit / sec. The terminals actually used the same processor (80186) as my SBC, with 512 kbytes of display list memory to build pictures in, and a dedicated video display "instruction set" firmware in 512K of PROM, which allowed drawing lines (in color!) and doing "hardware translation / rotation / scaling", IOW the terminal itself could store the picture, and then make it bigger or smaller (scaling), move it back and forth across the screen (translation) and rotate the image in 3D. It could also do polygon fill color manipulation, z-axis hidden surface elimination etc. All VERY whiz bang in those days. These "low end" terminals sold for about $30,000 in 1982 and I had 4 of them, though I gave 3 away to friends who also had built the identical SBC with me. I had a friend that wrote Fortran display drivers for Megatek who gave me programming lessons in Turbo Pascal, and about a year later I had written a complete driver set (interface to every single graphics instruction that the display understood) for Turbo Pascal to interface to these Megatek Terminals and had a demo program written that drew a sphere in 3D using triangle polygons, which could be scaled / rotated / translated. And thus a programmer was born. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > If they aren't store bought movie videos (which usually have Macro > protection from copying), you can pretty easily convert them to a DVD > with a computer that has a TV input jack (a lot of newer ones (last few > years) have them). > > Just a thought.... > > Ya gotta admit though, the period where some PC's used cassette tape > drives just plain sucked. Ever try to load a big program from one of > those? > > Error... > > Error... > > Error... > > ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy > drive for $600, all in one > physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies (and fixed them > in the US Navy) but my single > board computer didn't have an interface for it. > > On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which > I haven't even opened since > we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR > built into it but when that goes... > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Feb 6 17:27:08 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:27:08 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: First PC I ever worked on loaded its programs from a tape recorder. You had to be REAL careful to push the right button or you wiped out the whole program! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old If they aren't store bought movie videos (which usually have Macro protection from copying), you can pretty easily convert them to a DVD with a computer that has a TV input jack (a lot of newer ones (last few years) have them). Just a thought.... Ya gotta admit though, the period where some PC's used cassette tape drives just plain sucked. Ever try to load a big program from one of those? Error... Error... Error... ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy drive for $600, all in one physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies (and fixed them in the US Navy) but my single board computer didn't have an interface for it. On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which I haven't even opened since we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR built into it but when that goes... John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 17:28:39 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 18:28:39 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <3002995E75E44E33BD65C5421A117388@HAL9005> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> <3002995E75E44E33BD65C5421A117388@HAL9005> Message-ID: <498CC7A7.8020602@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL, now THAT brings back memories. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > I used paper tape. It wasn't very...robust. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:37 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > If they aren't store bought movie videos (which usually have Macro > protection from copying), you can pretty easily convert them to a DVD with a > computer that has a TV input jack (a lot of newer ones (last few > years) have them). > > Just a thought.... > > Ya gotta admit though, the period where some PC's used cassette tape drives > just plain sucked. Ever try to load a big program from one of those? > > Error... > > Error... > > Error... > > ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy drive > for $600, all in one physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies > (and fixed them in the US Navy) but my single board computer didn't have an > interface for it. > > On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which I > haven't even opened since we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do > have a TV with a VCR built into it but when that goes... > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary > and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in > its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any > review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, > or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or > entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Feb 6 17:27:44 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 15:27:44 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <3002995E75E44E33BD65C5421A117388@HAL9005> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> <3002995E75E44E33BD65C5421A117388@HAL9005> Message-ID: Handy though, if you ran out of tissue.... Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:09 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old I used paper tape. It wasn't very...robust. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:37 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old If they aren't store bought movie videos (which usually have Macro protection from copying), you can pretty easily convert them to a DVD with a computer that has a TV input jack (a lot of newer ones (last few years) have them). Just a thought.... Ya gotta admit though, the period where some PC's used cassette tape drives just plain sucked. Ever try to load a big program from one of those? Error... Error... Error... ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:31 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy drive for $600, all in one physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies (and fixed them in the US Navy) but my single board computer didn't have an interface for it. On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which I haven't even opened since we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR built into it but when that goes... John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From ssharkins at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 17:53:12 2009 From: ssharkins at gmail.com (Susan Harkins) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:53:12 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <20D550D57EEB479D9C4655293FAFD225@SusanOne> Okay, you get to be older than me. :) Susan H. > First PC I ever worked on loaded its programs from a tape recorder. You > had to be REAL careful to push the right button or you wiped out the > whole program! > From drboz at pacbell.net Fri Feb 6 18:05:59 2009 From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:05:59 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> Nah! You're not old unless you remember CP/M and ran a virgin (unmodified) BIOS.... Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harkins" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > Yelp. :) I remember DOS when it was just DOS! ;) > > Susan H. > > >> Was I right then? >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From drboz at pacbell.net Fri Feb 6 18:08:07 2009 From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:08:07 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com><3002995E75E44E33BD65C5421A117388@HAL9005> Message-ID: <01da01c988b8$27eb45a0$6801a8c0@Don> Nah... too oily and it smelled bad.... Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlotte Foust" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > Handy though, if you ran out of tissue.... > > Charlotte Foust > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin > at Beach Access Software > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 3:09 PM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > I used paper tape. It wasn't very...robust. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Drew Wutka > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:37 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > If they aren't store bought movie videos (which usually have Macro > protection from copying), you can pretty easily convert them to a DVD > with a computer that has a TV input jack (a lot of newer ones (last few > years) have them). > > Just a thought.... > > Ya gotta admit though, the period where some PC's used cassette tape > drives just plain sucked. Ever try to load a big program from one of > those? > > Error... > > Error... > > Error... > > ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy > drive for $600, all in one physical case. I had heard of them hard disk > thingies (and fixed them in the US Navy) but my single board computer > didn't have an interface for it. > > On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which > I haven't even opened since we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually > do have a TV with a VCR built into it but when that goes... > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the > person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI > Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the > intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy > the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are > notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, > dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon > this information by persons or entities other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 6 18:45:10 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:45:10 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> <01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> Message-ID: BIOS? You had a BIOS? We had to carry our code from one register to another BY HAND!! Uphill. Both ways. Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Nah! You're not old unless you remember CP/M and ran a virgin (unmodified) BIOS.... Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harkins" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > Yelp. :) I remember DOS when it was just DOS! ;) > > Susan H. > > >> Was I right then? >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Fri Feb 6 18:44:53 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:44:53 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> <01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> Message-ID: Here, now! I resemble that remark!! Charlotte -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:06 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Nah! You're not old unless you remember CP/M and ran a virgin (unmodified) BIOS.... Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harkins" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > Yelp. :) I remember DOS when it was just DOS! ;) > > Susan H. > > >> Was I right then? >> > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From davidmcafee at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 18:58:55 2009 From: davidmcafee at gmail.com (David McAfee) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 16:58:55 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne> <498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> <8786a4c00902061507xbede9e6s225bb057769694f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8786a4c00902061658w7819de77j7e57d91cc0a96f4f@mail.gmail.com> Thats pretty cool for legacy apps. point them to a thumbdrive or folder on the C drive. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > Yep, A and B both work, and they do show up in Windows Explorer too. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) > > Did you try A or B drive? > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: >> For S & G's, I did a googling about drive letters, to see if there was >> anything out there about A and B drives that didn't have to do with >> older computers usually having one or two floppy drives... >> >> Nope, that's the real deal. No other mystical explanation. (Most >> people don't realize why IP addresses are four quads of 0 to 255... ;) > ) >> >> Anyhow, in reading the pages I found, I discovered something VERY >> interesting about SUBST. For those of you who do not know, SUBST is a >> DOS command (but works in XP and Vista too), that allows you to > 'create' >> a virtual drive off of a physical folder. >> >> For example, let's say you have a network drive 'T:' at work. And you >> have an application that depends on files being at T:\SomeFolder\*.* . >> Well if you create a folder on your C: drive, and call it TDrive (Thus >> C:\TDrive) then copy that 'SomeFolder' into that TDrive folder. Then, >> from a DOS prompt, you can put in: >> >> SUBST T: C:\TDrive >> >> And Whalla, you now have a T: drive, that is really the 'C:\TDrive' >> folder. >> >> Anywho...the neat thing I found out about SUBST that I never knew, is >> that SUBST actually let's you use non-alpha (some of them...) > characters >> to create these 'virtual' drive letters. They don't appear to show up >> in Explorer though (at least not in Vista). >> >> I have a folder on my C drive called 'Downloads'. So in a dos prompt, >> the following command: >> >> SUBST $: C:\Downloads >> >> Allowed me to then go: >> >> $: >> >> Which gave me a: >> >> $:\ >> >> Prompt, which I could then do a DIR in, and it listed the contents of > my >> 'money' drive! LOL >> >> Ok, I'm a geek! ;) >> >> Drew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo >> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:29 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old >> >> Was I right then? >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins >> Sent: 06 February 2009 19:24 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old >> >> Not only has Max earned his daily dose of Geritol, but give that man a >> handy >> >> dandy box of punch cards (punch not included). >> >> Susan H. >> >> >>>I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all > that!) >> >>>that >>> if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will >>> prompt >>> you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has >> read >>> the first floppy disk. >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for > the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI > Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From drboz at pacbell.net Fri Feb 6 20:17:47 2009 From: drboz at pacbell.net (Don Bozarth) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:17:47 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com><01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> Message-ID: <021701c988ca$458141c0$6801a8c0@Don> Ok.... IMSAI 8080 no input device at all.... enter the instructions in binary with switches Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > BIOS? You had a BIOS? We had to carry our code from one register to > another BY HAND!! Uphill. Both ways. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:06 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > Nah! You're not old unless you remember CP/M and ran a virgin > (unmodified) > BIOS.... > > Don B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Harkins" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > >> Yelp. :) I remember DOS when it was just DOS! ;) >> >> Susan H. >> >> >>> Was I right then? >>> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Feb 6 21:41:02 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 21:41:02 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <498CC776.4010102@colbyconsulting.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <498C9005.4050905@colbyconsulting.com> <498CC776.4010102@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: LOL. And to think that my Palm TX, which I bought a few years ago, has 100 meg of onboard RAM, a 400 mHz processor, and SD slots that can handle several gigs..... All in a tiny machine that fits in your palm, with a touch screen, wireless WAN and Blue Tooth too boot. Isn't it amazing what is out there today?!? Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:28 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old I built my first two PCs from advertisements for parts from the back of Popular Electronics. My first home built was purchased and built in 1977, the year before I got out of the Navy. It was an "S100" (the backplane standard) z-80 1 mhz processor (could access 64K ram) board with (2) 4K static RAM boards (dynamic ram didn't exist yet), and (3) 8K static RAM boards, 1 of which never functioned properly. So I had a system with 24 K of RAM. It had a terminal board with 4K of RAM (80 * 24 lines IIRC) and a general IO board with a serial adapter which loaded data from a cassette tape at 1.2 KBaud. Somewhere or another I found a 16KB "Zapple basic" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapple_Monitor So I would spend 3 minutes loading the 16K zapple basic into my 24K or RAM, leaving me 8K for my programs. That was what I originally learned to program with, although it tended to crash a lot. My next computer, built in ~1982 was a HUGE step up, a SBC (single board computer), again a kit I purchased and soldered together. It used an 16 mhz 80186 uC and had onboard space for 256K dynamic RAM, although you could use these funky sockets that allowed "stacking" two ram chips on top of each other to double your RAM to 512k. The sockets were extremely unreliable so I eventually just soldered the bottom row of chips, then soldered another set on top. Bend out the CAS line and soldered a wire down into the board and voila, 512 Kbytes dynamic RAM hardwired. WOAH!!! That was the system with a dual 1mbyte floppy. It ran CPM86 and I purchased Turbo Pascal from some French guy nobody (including me) had ever heard of called Philippe Kahn. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Kahn#Borland_.281982-1995.29 At that time (1980-84) I worked for a startup Graphics company called Megatek Corp down in Sorrento Valley, CA. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5247/is_n16_v12/ai_n28601533/pg_ 1 At that time they made high end graphics workstations and I repaired those workstations. In 1983 I found 4 of their low end workstations in the dumpster and hauled them back in to the plant and requested to be allowed to keep them. They were in the dumpster because they were engineering prototypes and had to be destroyed for "tax reasons". Like hell I said, and eventually I got permission to take them home. My SBC had a pair of "high speed serial" ports and could talk to these terminals at 128K bit / sec. The terminals actually used the same processor (80186) as my SBC, with 512 kbytes of display list memory to build pictures in, and a dedicated video display "instruction set" firmware in 512K of PROM, which allowed drawing lines (in color!) and doing "hardware translation / rotation / scaling", IOW the terminal itself could store the picture, and then make it bigger or smaller (scaling), move it back and forth across the screen (translation) and rotate the image in 3D. It could also do polygon fill color manipulation, z-axis hidden surface elimination etc. All VERY whiz bang in those days. These "low end" terminals sold for about $30,000 in 1982 and I had 4 of them, though I gave 3 away to friends who also had built the identical SBC with me. I had a friend that wrote Fortran display drivers for Megatek who gave me programming lessons in Turbo Pascal, and about a year later I had written a complete driver set (interface to every single graphics instruction that the display understood) for Turbo Pascal to interface to these Megatek Terminals and had a demo program written that drew a sphere in 3D using triangle polygons, which could be scaled / rotated / translated. And thus a programmer was born. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Drew Wutka wrote: > If they aren't store bought movie videos (which usually have Macro > protection from copying), you can pretty easily convert them to a DVD > with a computer that has a TV input jack (a lot of newer ones (last few > years) have them). > > Just a thought.... > > Ya gotta admit though, the period where some PC's used cassette tape > drives just plain sucked. Ever try to load a big program from one of > those? > > Error... > > Error... > > Error... > > ;) > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:31 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > When I built my second PC in 1982, I bought a double 1 mbyte 8" floppy > drive for $600, all in one > physical case. I had heard of them hard disk thingies (and fixed them > in the US Navy) but my single > board computer didn't have an interface for it. > > On a similar note, I have many boxes of VHS tapes in the basement, which > I haven't even opened since > we moved up from Mexico in 2000. I actually do have a TV with a VCR > built into it but when that goes... > > John W. 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From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Fri Feb 6 21:42:33 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 21:42:33 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) In-Reply-To: <8786a4c00902061658w7819de77j7e57d91cc0a96f4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005><498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com><498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com><8786a4c00902061507xbede9e6s225bb057769694f1@mail.gmail.com> <8786a4c00902061658w7819de77j7e57d91cc0a96f4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If you want to run some legacy apps, I highly recommend Virtual PC. Load a true DOS, or a Windows 95 OS, and you can use imaged floppies! Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:59 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) Thats pretty cool for legacy apps. point them to a thumbdrive or folder on the C drive. On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: > Yep, A and B both work, and they do show up in Windows Explorer too. > > Drew > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of David McAfee > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:07 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) > > Did you try A or B drive? > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Drew Wutka wrote: >> For S & G's, I did a googling about drive letters, to see if there was >> anything out there about A and B drives that didn't have to do with >> older computers usually having one or two floppy drives... >> >> Nope, that's the real deal. No other mystical explanation. (Most >> people don't realize why IP addresses are four quads of 0 to 255... ;) > ) >> >> Anyhow, in reading the pages I found, I discovered something VERY >> interesting about SUBST. For those of you who do not know, SUBST is a >> DOS command (but works in XP and Vista too), that allows you to > 'create' >> a virtual drive off of a physical folder. >> >> For example, let's say you have a network drive 'T:' at work. And you >> have an application that depends on files being at T:\SomeFolder\*.* . >> Well if you create a folder on your C: drive, and call it TDrive (Thus >> C:\TDrive) then copy that 'SomeFolder' into that TDrive folder. Then, >> from a DOS prompt, you can put in: >> >> SUBST T: C:\TDrive >> >> And Whalla, you now have a T: drive, that is really the 'C:\TDrive' >> folder. >> >> Anywho...the neat thing I found out about SUBST that I never knew, is >> that SUBST actually let's you use non-alpha (some of them...) > characters >> to create these 'virtual' drive letters. They don't appear to show up >> in Explorer though (at least not in Vista). >> >> I have a folder on my C drive called 'Downloads'. So in a dos prompt, >> the following command: >> >> SUBST $: C:\Downloads >> >> Allowed me to then go: >> >> $: >> >> Which gave me a: >> >> $:\ >> >> Prompt, which I could then do a DIR in, and it listed the contents of > my >> 'money' drive! LOL >> >> Ok, I'm a geek! ;) >> >> Drew >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo >> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:29 PM >> To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old >> >> Was I right then? >> >> Max >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com >> [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Susan > Harkins >> Sent: 06 February 2009 19:24 >> To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old >> >> Not only has Max earned his daily dose of Geritol, but give that man a >> handy >> >> dandy box of punch cards (punch not included). >> >> Susan H. >> >> >>>I have a feeling (but could definitely be wrong - memory and all > that!) >> >>>that >>> if you only have ONE physical drive and you do copy a:*.* b: it will >>> prompt >>> you to insert the next floppy disk in the physical drive when it has >> read >>> the first floppy disk. >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> The information contained in this transmission is intended only for > the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI > Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. 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From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Fri Feb 6 21:44:49 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 22:44:49 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <021701c988ca$458141c0$6801a8c0@Don> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com><01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> <021701c988ca$458141c0$6801a8c0@Don> Message-ID: <498D03B1.6000102@colbyconsulting.com> This is what I trained on in 1972 at the Data Systems Training Command, Mare Island California. http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/BRL64-u.html Using that system we learned to read schematics and enter instructions into the computer using the switch panel on the left hand side. It had a TTY paper tape punch reader which we could store the program once entered. I was then sent to school to learn the Univac 1218 which was the general purpose "data processing center" minicomputer at the time, used for many general purpose processing tasks such as payroll and inventory. http://usmc81.blogspot.com/2008/01/univac-1218.html From there I learned the Univac 642 A/B which was used for fire control (weapons) and intelligence. http://dougscode.com/forum4/post.asp?method=TopicQuote&TOPIC_ID=23&FORUM_ID=13 http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/univac-ntds.html All of these things were designed in the late 50s and used individual resister / capacitor / transister circuits to build out and/or/flipflop gates, one such circuit per circuit card, with entire trays of such cards to build the machine. The IBM disk drive I was taught to repair had a 10 platter removable disk pack which stored (IIRC) 20 (or perhaps 80) megabytes. It used hydraulics to move the heads in and out and gears / detents to stop the thing. These systems actually drove the US Navy through the 60s, 70s and 80s. Of course all programming was done in assembler because memory space was so tight. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Don Bozarth wrote: > Ok.... IMSAI 8080 no input device at all.... enter the instructions in > binary with switches > > Don B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" > To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > >> BIOS? You had a BIOS? We had to carry our code from one register to >> another BY HAND!! Uphill. Both ways. >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> www.bchacc.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Fri Feb 6 23:43:55 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 21:43:55 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <021701c988ca$458141c0$6801a8c0@Don> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com><01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> <021701c988ca$458141c0$6801a8c0@Don> Message-ID: Switches? You had switches? Oh, isn't that just grand!! We had tiny tubes we had to blow through to push the electrons around until we got them to where they would do something useful. Took us all day sometimes. That was REAL programming. Switches. Hah! Amateur! Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:18 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old Ok.... IMSAI 8080 no input device at all.... enter the instructions in binary with switches Don B. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software" To: "'Access Developers discussion and problem solving'" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > BIOS? You had a BIOS? We had to carry our code from one register to > another BY HAND!! Uphill. Both ways. > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:06 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > Nah! You're not old unless you remember CP/M and ran a virgin > (unmodified) > BIOS.... > > Don B. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan Harkins" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:26 PM > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > >> Yelp. :) I remember DOS when it was just DOS! ;) >> >> Susan H. >> >> >>> Was I right then? >>> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sat Feb 7 01:10:31 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 02:10:31 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon References: <498AE648.5745.9E8FF2@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <498B3D9A.4050101@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <89EF8FE5FF304931957A573508FD7250@jislaptopdev> "truly annoying to developers" jc ...they succeeded beyond their wildest dreams :( William -------------------------------------------------- From: "jwcolby" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:27 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > > Any ideas what's going on? > > Simple really, MS is DAMNED PROUD of their ribbon and is making sure that > you see it! They spent > several million dollars on usability studies to make sure that the ribbon > was useful to power users > and spent about another 10 million or so to make sure that it was truly > annoying to developers, and > they aren't about to let their investment slip through their fingers! > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: >> Stuart: >> >> Well, dang. It doesn't work. I put Call MinimizeRibbon in the _Open >> event, >> but the ribbon ended up maximized anyway. SO I moved it right at the >> end >> of the _Open event on the theory that maybe some of the housekeeping >> (resizing the form, maximizing the form, etc.) was affecting the ribbon. >> But no soap. >> >> So I moved it to the _Activate event. Same result. So I put MsgBox >> RibbonMinimized in the RibbonMinimized Function to see what the value was >> on >> the call. With the Call to MinimizeRibbon in the Activate event, it gets >> called 3 times. Each time the value of RibbonMinimized is True and the >> ribbon is indeed minimized. >> >> Then right at the end of the opening process, the ribbon re-appears. >> >> Ctrl-F1 from the keyboard toggles the ribbon nicely. And the code looks >> like it should work. And I stepped through it just to see what it was >> doing. >> >> Any ideas what's going on? >> >> >> Rocky Smolin >> Beach Access Software >> 858-259-4334 >> www.e-z-mrp.com >> www.bchacc.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From erbachs at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 05:35:09 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 05:35:09 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne> <498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> <01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> <021701c988ca$458141c0$6801a8c0@Don> Message-ID: <39cb22f30902070335x21d4c190i5e6dd30b3b5e490f@mail.gmail.com> Rocky, Tubes? You had tubes?! Well, isn't that special? We had to do without electrons altogether! Electrons didn't even exist! We had to painstakingly carve out NAND gates and XOR gates into the side of mountains and roll boulders down channels to perform even the simplest computation. Then, of course, we had to roll them back to the top again. Our system was called the Sisyphus I. Tubes! Hah! Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > Switches? You had switches? Oh, isn't that just grand!! > > We had tiny tubes we had to blow through to push the electrons around until > we got them to where they would do something useful. Took us all day > sometimes. > > That was REAL programming. > > Switches. Hah! Amateur! > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:18 PM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > Ok.... IMSAI 8080 no input device at all.... enter the instructions in > binary with switches > > Don B. From erbachs at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 05:50:31 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 05:50:31 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39cb22f30902070350w6f2a8c93q2a33de93688cf673@mail.gmail.com> Rocky, Our network admin relies on VMWare for all sorts of stuff. He set up a monster server or two with 24 GB of RAM and 8 processors. VMWare machines have been set up to run SQL Server, Exchange Server, web servers, etc., etc., ... It's to the point now where he doesn't even consider setting up a system to just run an OS by itself. Now, it's set up to act as a VMWare host to run multiple servers. Interestingly enough, he doesn't use the latest VMWare 2 stuff, he's a believer in 1.4 or whatever the newest-but-one version is. I trust his judgement because he is the absolute hugest uber-geek I've ever met, bar none. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > FYI: articles on VM in the San Diego ComputorEdge > > http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=cover&issue=2706&zone=S > D&src=1 > > http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=in1&issue=2706&zone=SD& > src=1 > > > Rocky Smolin From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Feb 7 06:02:43 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:02:43 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) Message-ID: Hi Drew OK, you are a true geek. I did know of subst - use it exactly for the purpose you describe, to simulate a (network) drive - but not that it accepts non-drive letters for drive letters. This one is really fun: SUBST :: C:\Windows Now you can make a dir ::\*.ini - but in the command window only, Explorer doesn't like it! /gustav >>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 06-02-2009 23:33 >>> For S & G's, I did a googling about drive letters, to see if there was anything out there about A and B drives that didn't have to do with older computers usually having one or two floppy drives... Nope, that's the real deal. No other mystical explanation. (Most people don't realize why IP addresses are four quads of 0 to 255... ;) ) Anyhow, in reading the pages I found, I discovered something VERY interesting about SUBST. For those of you who do not know, SUBST is a DOS command (but works in XP and Vista too), that allows you to 'create' a virtual drive off of a physical folder. For example, let's say you have a network drive 'T:' at work. And you have an application that depends on files being at T:\SomeFolder\*.* . Well if you create a folder on your C: drive, and call it TDrive (Thus C:\TDrive) then copy that 'SomeFolder' into that TDrive folder. Then, from a DOS prompt, you can put in: SUBST T: C:\TDrive And Whalla, you now have a T: drive, that is really the 'C:\TDrive' folder. Anywho...the neat thing I found out about SUBST that I never knew, is that SUBST actually let's you use non-alpha (some of them...) characters to create these 'virtual' drive letters. They don't appear to show up in Explorer though (at least not in Vista). I have a folder on my C drive called 'Downloads'. So in a dos prompt, the following command: SUBST $: C:\Downloads Allowed me to then go: $: Which gave me a: $:\ Prompt, which I could then do a DIR in, and it listed the contents of my 'money' drive! LOL Ok, I'm a geek! ;) Drew From Gustav at cactus.dk Sat Feb 7 06:13:53 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:13:53 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware Message-ID: Hi Steve He probably doesn't like the browser based Server Console. Could you ask him about that? My colleague prefers to have the trouble opening ports in the firewall to be able to deal with the previous Windows-based Server Console. /gustav >>> erbachs at gmail.com 07-02-2009 12:50 >>> Rocky, Our network admin relies on VMWare for all sorts of stuff. He set up a monster server or two with 24 GB of RAM and 8 processors. VMWare machines have been set up to run SQL Server, Exchange Server, web servers, etc., etc., ... It's to the point now where he doesn't even consider setting up a system to just run an OS by itself. Now, it's set up to act as a VMWare host to run multiple servers. Interestingly enough, he doesn't use the latest VMWare 2 stuff, he's a believer in 1.4 or whatever the newest-but-one version is. I trust his judgement because he is the absolute hugest uber-geek I've ever met, bar none. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > FYI: articles on VM in the San Diego ComputorEdge > > http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=cover&issue=2706&zone=SD&src=1 > > http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=in1&issue=2706&zone=SD&src=1 > > > Rocky Smolin From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sat Feb 7 06:28:31 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:28:31 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30902070335x21d4c190i5e6dd30b3b5e490f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, , <39cb22f30902070335x21d4c190i5e6dd30b3b5e490f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498E0B0F.4679.6A3202F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I did it like this: http://xkcd.com/505/ On 7 Feb 2009 at 5:35, Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > Tubes? You had tubes?! Well, isn't that special? > > We had to do without electrons altogether! Electrons didn't even > exist! We had to painstakingly carve out NAND gates and XOR gates > into the side of mountains and roll boulders down channels to perform > even the simplest computation. Then, of course, we had to roll them > back to the top again. Our system was called the Sisyphus I. > > Tubes! Hah! > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: > > Switches? You had switches? Oh, isn't that just grand!! > > > > We had tiny tubes we had to blow through to push the electrons around until > > we got them to where they would do something useful. Took us all day > > sometimes. > > > > That was REAL programming. > > > > Switches. Hah! Amateur! > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:18 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > > > Ok.... IMSAI 8080 no input device at all.... enter the instructions in > > binary with switches > > > > Don B. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Feb 7 07:25:00 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 08:25:00 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498D8BAC.7070601@colbyconsulting.com> I don't like the browser based console either. It is a ROYAL PITA. And since I sit here inside of the firewall, why would I need it? John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > He probably doesn't like the browser based Server Console. Could you ask him about that? My colleague prefers to have the trouble opening ports in the firewall to be able to deal with the previous Windows-based Server Console. > > /gustav > >>>> erbachs at gmail.com 07-02-2009 12:50 >>> > Rocky, > > Our network admin relies on VMWare for all sorts of stuff. He set up > a monster server or two with 24 GB of RAM and 8 processors. VMWare > machines have been set up to run SQL Server, Exchange Server, web > servers, etc., etc., ... > > It's to the point now where he doesn't even consider setting up a > system to just run an OS by itself. Now, it's set up to act as a > VMWare host to run multiple servers. > > Interestingly enough, he doesn't use the latest VMWare 2 stuff, he's a > believer in 1.4 or whatever the newest-but-one version is. I trust > his judgement because he is the absolute hugest uber-geek I've ever > met, bar none. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: >> FYI: articles on VM in the San Diego ComputorEdge >> >> http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=cover&issue=2706&zone=SD&src=1 >> >> http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=in1&issue=2706&zone=SD&src=1 >> >> >> Rocky Smolin > > > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 07:38:57 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:38:57 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <498E0B0F.4679.6A3202F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, , <39cb22f30902070335x21d4c190i5e6dd30b3b5e490f@mail.gmail.com> <498E0B0F.4679.6A3202F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <498d8ef4.06c8100a.51cb.1dff@mx.google.com> We just used our fingers and if the problem became too complex we took our shoes off. Back to basics eh? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 07 February 2009 12:29 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old I did it like this: http://xkcd.com/505/ On 7 Feb 2009 at 5:35, Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > Tubes? You had tubes?! Well, isn't that special? > > We had to do without electrons altogether! Electrons didn't even > exist! We had to painstakingly carve out NAND gates and XOR gates > into the side of mountains and roll boulders down channels to perform > even the simplest computation. Then, of course, we had to roll them > back to the top again. Our system was called the Sisyphus I. > > Tubes! Hah! > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: > > Switches? You had switches? Oh, isn't that just grand!! > > > > We had tiny tubes we had to blow through to push the electrons around until > > we got them to where they would do something useful. Took us all day > > sometimes. > > > > That was REAL programming. > > > > Switches. Hah! Amateur! > > > > Rocky Smolin > > Beach Access Software > > 858-259-4334 > > www.e-z-mrp.com > > www.bchacc.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Don Bozarth > > Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 6:18 PM > > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > > > > Ok.... IMSAI 8080 no input device at all.... enter the instructions in > > binary with switches > > > > Don B. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Sat Feb 7 08:04:19 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:04:19 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30902070350w6f2a8c93q2a33de93688cf673@mail.gmail.com> References: <39cb22f30902070350w6f2a8c93q2a33de93688cf673@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <498D94E3.9070208@colbyconsulting.com> I was just reading last night that the average DATABASE VM slows down the database engine by about 30%. In my case, the VMs I can use cannot use more than 2 cores, whereas SQL Server will use all 4 cores if used on bare metal. I am using VMs, but not for the database. OTOH, I do not have the budget for a server with a hundred gigabytes of RAM either. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > Our network admin relies on VMWare for all sorts of stuff. He set up > a monster server or two with 24 GB of RAM and 8 processors. VMWare > machines have been set up to run SQL Server, Exchange Server, web > servers, etc., etc., ... > > It's to the point now where he doesn't even consider setting up a > system to just run an OS by itself. Now, it's set up to act as a > VMWare host to run multiple servers. > > Interestingly enough, he doesn't use the latest VMWare 2 stuff, he's a > believer in 1.4 or whatever the newest-but-one version is. I trust > his judgement because he is the absolute hugest uber-geek I've ever > met, bar none. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: >> FYI: articles on VM in the San Diego ComputorEdge >> >> http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=cover&issue=2706&zone=S >> D&src=1 >> >> http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=in1&issue=2706&zone=SD& >> src=1 >> >> >> Rocky Smolin From bheid at sc.rr.com Sat Feb 7 10:44:34 2009 From: bheid at sc.rr.com (Bobby Heid) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:44:34 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware In-Reply-To: <498D94E3.9070208@colbyconsulting.com> References: <39cb22f30902070350w6f2a8c93q2a33de93688cf673@mail.gmail.com> <498D94E3.9070208@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <006401c98943$5b6a7f50$123f7df0$@rr.com> A few months ago at our SQL Pass meeting, a guy presented on running SQL Server on Hyper-V. He stated that running it on hyper-v with pass-thru disks resulted in less than a 5% hit in their experiments at his company. I personally use VMware workstation at home and we use it for all kinds of servers at work. Thanks, Bobby -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 9:04 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware I was just reading last night that the average DATABASE VM slows down the database engine by about 30%. In my case, the VMs I can use cannot use more than 2 cores, whereas SQL Server will use all 4 cores if used on bare metal. I am using VMs, but not for the database. OTOH, I do not have the budget for a server with a hundred gigabytes of RAM either. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Erbach wrote: > Rocky, > > Our network admin relies on VMWare for all sorts of stuff. He set up > a monster server or two with 24 GB of RAM and 8 processors. VMWare > machines have been set up to run SQL Server, Exchange Server, web > servers, etc., etc., ... > > It's to the point now where he doesn't even consider setting up a > system to just run an OS by itself. Now, it's set up to act as a > VMWare host to run multiple servers. > > Interestingly enough, he doesn't use the latest VMWare 2 stuff, he's a > believer in 1.4 or whatever the newest-but-one version is. I trust > his judgement because he is the absolute hugest uber-geek I've ever > met, bar none. > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software > wrote: >> FYI: articles on VM in the San Diego ComputorEdge >> >> http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=cover&issue=2706&zone=S >> D&src=1 >> >> http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=in1&issue=2706&zone=SD& >> src=1 >> >> >> Rocky Smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From fuller.artful at gmail.com Sat Feb 7 12:09:41 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:09:41 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com> <498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com> <1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne> <498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com> <01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> Message-ID: <29f585dd0902071009g280aa552i838060026ee9eceb@mail.gmail.com> In Canada we were so poor we couldn't afford Ones. We had to program everything with Zeroes. But it was easier than driving a sled dog to the Yukon. A. From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Sat Feb 7 12:40:45 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 10:40:45 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <29f585dd0902071009g280aa552i838060026ee9eceb@mail.gmail.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005><498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com><498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com><01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> <29f585dd0902071009g280aa552i838060026ee9eceb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <654A491FAD4C4E129B4BF59ABD398DDC@HAL9005> "driving a sled dog to the Yukon" is that where they grew the Ones? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:10 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In Canada we were so poor we couldn't afford Ones. We had to program everything with Zeroes. But it was easier than driving a sled dog to the Yukon. A. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com Sat Feb 7 13:20:13 2009 From: wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com (William Hindman) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:20:13 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005><498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com><498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com><01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don> <29f585dd0902071009g280aa552i838060026ee9eceb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7C9754A61D5841C992CB9D2D9E5FE8F3@jislaptopdev> ...programming with zeroes ...sounds like a client of mine :( William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Fuller" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 1:09 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > In Canada we were so poor we couldn't afford Ones. We had to program > everything with Zeroes. But it was easier than driving a sled dog to the > Yukon. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From nd500_lo at charter.net Sat Feb 7 14:09:38 2009 From: nd500_lo at charter.net (Dian) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:09:38 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <7C9754A61D5841C992CB9D2D9E5FE8F3@jislaptopdev> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005><498C8723.3050606@colbyconsulting.com><498c8ce3.0216300a.1fc0.5ddc@mx.google.com><1732ED73D0B8408884AE2F5840AAE9EB@SusanOne><498c8f82.06e2660a.7ac3.1967@mx.google.com><01bf01c988b7$dc0900a0$6801a8c0@Don><29f585dd0902071009g280aa552i838060026ee9eceb@mail.gmail.com> <7C9754A61D5841C992CB9D2D9E5FE8F3@jislaptopdev> Message-ID: <228EF9C11C704D7CA9FEC26B36CA238E@dsunit1> Am I the only one fighting the urge to fold, spindle and/or mutilate? I rather miss that activity...tooooooooooooo old... -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of William Hindman Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:20 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old ...programming with zeroes ...sounds like a client of mine :( William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Arthur Fuller" Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 1:09 PM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT: I'm old > In Canada we were so poor we couldn't afford Ones. We had to program > everything with Zeroes. But it was easier than driving a sled dog to > the Yukon. > > A. > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 8 02:59:50 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:59:50 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <228EF9C11C704D7CA9FEC26B36CA238E@dsunit1> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, <7C9754A61D5841C992CB9D2D9E5FE8F3@jislaptopdev>, <228EF9C11C704D7CA9FEC26B36CA238E@dsunit1> Message-ID: <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. Text boxes are simple: strchanges = "" For Each ctl In Me.Controls Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) Case "txt" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & Nz(ctl.OldValue, "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf End If Case Else End Select Next If strchanges > "" Then strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values (Now()," _ & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" End If CurrentDb.Execute strSQL There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. In each case, the row source is in the form: Select Descr,ID from tblLookup If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary ie Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" I can use use ctl.text to get Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem I've considered Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter Using a DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource (easier than Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. Anyone got any other ideas? -- Stuart From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Feb 8 03:31:27 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:31:27 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <762F365199E24283BEF0995CA1C04E72@MINSTER> Hi Stuart What about storing the ctl's old description to a form level variable in, say, OnGotFocus, and using that? Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 08 February 2009 09:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. Text boxes are simple: strchanges = "" For Each ctl In Me.Controls Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) Case "txt" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & Nz(ctl.OldValue, "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf End If Case Else End Select Next If strchanges > "" Then strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values (Now()," _ & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" End If CurrentDb.Execute strSQL There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. In each case, the row source is in the form: Select Descr,ID from tblLookup If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary ie Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" I can use use ctl.text to get Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem I've considered Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter Using a DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource (easier than Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. Anyone got any other ideas? -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Feb 8 03:48:50 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:48:50 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <762F365199E24283BEF0995CA1C04E72@MINSTER> Message-ID: Sorry, you'd need to store in OnCurrent or you'd get the wrong thing if someone changed a combo twice. Better idea perhaps might be still to use the same principle but instead of storing to varibales store to the combo control's Tag property. Your For Each loop would be neater that way. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 08 February 2009 09:31 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Hi Stuart What about storing the ctl's old description to a form level variable in, say, OnGotFocus, and using that? Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 08 February 2009 09:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. Text boxes are simple: strchanges = "" For Each ctl In Me.Controls Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) Case "txt" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & Nz(ctl.OldValue, "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf End If Case Else End Select Next If strchanges > "" Then strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values (Now()," _ & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" End If CurrentDb.Execute strSQL There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. In each case, the row source is in the form: Select Descr,ID from tblLookup If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary ie Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" I can use use ctl.text to get Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem I've considered Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter Using a DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource (easier than Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. Anyone got any other ideas? -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 03:59:45 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 09:59:45 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, <7C9754A61D5841C992CB9D2D9E5FE8F3@jislaptopdev>, <228EF9C11C704D7CA9FEC26B36CA238E@dsunit1> <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <498ead13.0c92100a.358f.2fdd@mx.google.com> Hi Stuart (or G'day PNG) The reason you are probably getting "6" instead of "Description" is probably because the Index is pointing to position 1 instead of position 0. Most people would probably have the rowsource set to "Select ID, Descr from tblLookup", so to get at "Description" at position 0 you could try fldname.column(0) . I would also change the variable to a variant, ie strchanges to varchanges so that it handles nulls etc. I would also have a look at storing the control.value onentry then onexit do a "me.dirty=false" forcing a save and then checking contol.value again and if different writing it away by calling a function. All of the above is off the top of my head. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 08 February 2009 09:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. Text boxes are simple: strchanges = "" For Each ctl In Me.Controls Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) Case "txt" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & Nz(ctl.OldValue, "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf End If Case Else End Select Next If strchanges > "" Then strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values (Now()," _ & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" End If CurrentDb.Execute strSQL There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. In each case, the row source is in the form: Select Descr,ID from tblLookup If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary ie Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" I can use use ctl.text to get Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem I've considered Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter Using a DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource (easier than Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. Anyone got any other ideas? -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 04:01:57 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:01:57 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: References: <762F365199E24283BEF0995CA1C04E72@MINSTER> Message-ID: <498ead98.06a0100a.047e.ffff95be@mx.google.com> Morning Andy, How is P'boro? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 08 February 2009 09:49 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Sorry, you'd need to store in OnCurrent or you'd get the wrong thing if someone changed a combo twice. Better idea perhaps might be still to use the same principle but instead of storing to varibales store to the combo control's Tag property. Your For Each loop would be neater that way. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 08 February 2009 09:31 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Hi Stuart What about storing the ctl's old description to a form level variable in, say, OnGotFocus, and using that? Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 08 February 2009 09:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. Text boxes are simple: strchanges = "" For Each ctl In Me.Controls Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) Case "txt" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & Nz(ctl.OldValue, "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf End If Case Else End Select Next If strchanges > "" Then strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values (Now()," _ & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" End If CurrentDb.Execute strSQL There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. In each case, the row source is in the form: Select Descr,ID from tblLookup If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary ie Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" I can use use ctl.text to get Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem I've considered Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter Using a DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource (easier than Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. Anyone got any other ideas? -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 8 04:10:21 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:10:21 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: References: <762F365199E24283BEF0995CA1C04E72@MINSTER>, Message-ID: <498F3C2D.21813.B4B01DF@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Turns out Access didn't like the Ctl.Text ( Only available when object has the focus) So I ended up needing to grab both the old and new dispay values. - that makes the Tag storage way more complex. I also really don't want to build a great block of value holder variables and have to step through them - I'm after some sort of generic process. :-( I've gone with the following for now, but if I anyone can see a way to avoid hitting the lookup table twice for every combo box, I'd appreciate it :-) Case "cbo" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4, Len(ctl.Name) - 5) _ & " changed from '" & GetValue(ctl.Rowsource, Nz(ctl.OldValue, 0)) _ & "'-to-'" & GetValue(ctl.Rowsource, Nz(ctl.Value, 0)) & "'" & vbCrLf End If .... Function GetValue(Rowsource As String, ID As Long) As String Dim rs As DAO.Recordset Set rs = CurrentDb.OpenRecordset(Rowsource) rs.FindFirst rs.Fields(1).Name & " = " & ID If rs.NoMatch Then GetValue = "BLANK" Else GetValue = rs(0) End If rs.Close Set rs = Nothing End Function it didn't like the On 8 Feb 2009 at 9:48, Andy Lacey wrote: > Sorry, you'd need to store in OnCurrent or you'd get the wrong thing if > someone changed a combo twice. > > Better idea perhaps might be still to use the same principle but instead of > storing to varibales store to the combo control's Tag property. Your For > Each loop would be neater that way. > > Andy > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey > Sent: 08 February 2009 09:31 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? > > > Hi Stuart > What about storing the ctl's old description to a form level variable in, > say, OnGotFocus, and using that? Andy Lacey > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 08 February 2009 09:00 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? > > > I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. Text boxes > are simple: > > strchanges = "" > For Each ctl In Me.Controls > Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) > Case "txt" > If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then > strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & > Nz(ctl.OldValue, > "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf > End If > Case Else > End Select > Next > If strchanges > "" Then > strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") > strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values > (Now()," _ > & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" End > If CurrentDb.Execute strSQL > > There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. > In each case, the row source is in the form: > Select Descr,ID from tblLookup > > If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary ie > Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" > > I can use use ctl.text to get > Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" > > Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem > > I've considered > Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter Using a > DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource (easier than > > Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) > > Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. > > Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. > > Anyone got any other ideas? > > -- > Stuart > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 8 04:25:07 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 20:25:07 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <498ead13.0c92100a.358f.2fdd@mx.google.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <498ead13.0c92100a.358f.2fdd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498F3FA3.12324.B5885CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hi Max, see comments in line. On 8 Feb 2009 at 9:59, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hi Stuart (or G'day PNG) > > The reason you are probably getting "6" instead of "Description" is probably > because the Index is pointing to position 1 instead of position 0. Most > people would probably have the rowsource set to "Select ID, Descr from > tblLookup", so to get at "Description" at position 0 you could try > fldname.column(0) . > No, I know *why* I'm getting it. All the comboboxes look something like this (just replace "FundingSource" with the relevant name for about 20 other lookups on the form) Name = cboFundingSourceFK ControlSource = FundingSourceFK RowSource = Select FundingSourceDescr,FundingSourceID From tblFundingSources) ColumnCount = 2 Bound Column = 2 ColumnWidth = 4,0 ctl.Value and ctl.Oldvalue return the FK ( a number) In the Diary I want to log the Description associated with that FK. > I would also change the variable to a variant, ie strchanges to varchanges > so that it handles nulls etc. I wouldn't - I always type my variables! NZ() handles Nulls and gives me better control over the return value from a Null. (e.g. NZ(ctl.Value, "BLANK") below) > > I would also have a look at storing the control.value onentry then onexit do > a "me.dirty=false" forcing a save and then checking contol.value again and > if different writing it away by calling a function. > I'm trying to avoid doing anything in individual controls event procedures - it's much cleaner to do it all in one generic function in the Form Before_update. -- Stuart > All of the above is off the top of my head. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 08 February 2009 09:00 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? > > I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. > Text boxes are simple: > > strchanges = "" > For Each ctl In Me.Controls > Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) > Case "txt" > If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then > strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & > Nz(ctl.OldValue, > "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf > End If > Case Else > End Select > Next > If strchanges > "" Then > strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") > strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values > (Now()," _ > & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" > End If > CurrentDb.Execute strSQL > > There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. > In each case, the row source is in the form: > Select Descr,ID from tblLookup > > If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary > ie Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" > > I can use use ctl.text to get > Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" > > Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem > > I've considered > Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter > Using a DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource > (easier than > Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) > > Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. > > Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. > > Anyone got any other ideas? > > -- > Stuart > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 04:43:21 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 10:43:21 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <498F3FA3.12324.B5885CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <498ead13.0c92100a.358f.2fdd@mx.google.com> <498F3FA3.12324.B5885CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <498eb74b.096c100a.2ede.ffffff60@mx.google.com> Hi Stu, >>ctl.Value and ctl.Oldvalue return the FK ( a number) >>In the Diary I want to log the Description associated with that FK. Sure, that is what I was trying to say but probably didn't explain myself properly. The reason you are getting the FK is because it is bound to that position in the rowsource. Asking it to return a value will give you what it is point to; in this case the FK value. Similarly for .oldvalue and .value. Using the form before update is fine, then looping through as you have previously said. But get the "Description" requires you to position the pointer to position 0 whereas you have it positioned (bound) to position 1 in the rowsource. Viz, strchanges = "" for Each ctl In Me.Controls Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) Case "cbo" ' value will be a long but we want the description If ctl.Value <> ctl.OldValue Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & ctl.OldValue.column(0) & "'-to-'" & ctl.Value.column(0) & "'" & vbCrLf End If Case Else End Select Next Can't try it myself at the moment, but give it a go. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 08 February 2009 10:25 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Hi Max, see comments in line. On 8 Feb 2009 at 9:59, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hi Stuart (or G'day PNG) > > The reason you are probably getting "6" instead of "Description" is probably > because the Index is pointing to position 1 instead of position 0. Most > people would probably have the rowsource set to "Select ID, Descr from > tblLookup", so to get at "Description" at position 0 you could try > fldname.column(0) . > No, I know *why* I'm getting it. All the comboboxes look something like this (just replace "FundingSource" with the relevant name for about 20 other lookups on the form) Name = cboFundingSourceFK ControlSource = FundingSourceFK RowSource = Select FundingSourceDescr,FundingSourceID From tblFundingSources) ColumnCount = 2 Bound Column = 2 ColumnWidth = 4,0 ctl.Value and ctl.Oldvalue return the FK ( a number) In the Diary I want to log the Description associated with that FK. > I would also change the variable to a variant, ie strchanges to varchanges > so that it handles nulls etc. I wouldn't - I always type my variables! NZ() handles Nulls and gives me better control over the return value from a Null. (e.g. NZ(ctl.Value, "BLANK") below) > > I would also have a look at storing the control.value onentry then onexit do > a "me.dirty=false" forcing a save and then checking contol.value again and > if different writing it away by calling a function. > I'm trying to avoid doing anything in individual controls event procedures - it's much cleaner to do it all in one generic function in the Form Before_update. -- Stuart > All of the above is off the top of my head. > > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan > Sent: 08 February 2009 09:00 > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? > > I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. > Text boxes are simple: > > strchanges = "" > For Each ctl In Me.Controls > Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) > Case "txt" > If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then > strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & > Nz(ctl.OldValue, > "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf > End If > Case Else > End Select > Next > If strchanges > "" Then > strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") > strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values > (Now()," _ > & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" > End If > CurrentDb.Execute strSQL > > There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. > In each case, the row source is in the form: > Select Descr,ID from tblLookup > > If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary > ie Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" > > I can use use ctl.text to get > Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" > > Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem > > I've considered > Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter > Using a DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource > (easier than > Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) > > Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. > > Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. > > Anyone got any other ideas? > > -- > Stuart > > > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 8 05:53:15 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:53:15 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <498eb74b.096c100a.2ede.ffffff60@mx.google.com> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, <498F3FA3.12324.B5885CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <498eb74b.096c100a.2ede.ffffff60@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <498F544B.4790.BA93629@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Hi Max, Won't work, clt.Value, ctl.Oldvalue and ctl.Column(x) are properties of a control, there is no such property as clt.Value.Column(x) or ctl.Oldvalue.Column(x) However, you've just given me an idea. I can use ctl.Column(0) to get the new value I want, so that's halved the number of lookups I have to do. So now it's just: Case "cbo" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4, Len(ctl.Name) - 5) _ & " changed from '" & GetValue(ctl.Rowsource, Nz(ctl.OldValue, 0)) _ & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Column(0), "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf End If Cheers, Stuart On 8 Feb 2009 at 10:43, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Case "cbo" ' value will be a long but we want the description > If ctl.Value <> ctl.OldValue Then > strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & > ctl.OldValue.column(0) & "'-to-'" & ctl.Value.column(0) & "'" & vbCrLf > End If From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Sun Feb 8 06:00:16 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:00:16 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <498ead98.06a0100a.047e.ffff95be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1147C3EDE63F44EEAFF3C93FB7148DB3@MINSTER> Plenty of snow on the ground but roads ok. What about you? andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 08 February 2009 10:02 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Morning Andy, How is P'boro? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 08 February 2009 09:49 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Sorry, you'd need to store in OnCurrent or you'd get the wrong thing if someone changed a combo twice. Better idea perhaps might be still to use the same principle but instead of storing to varibales store to the combo control's Tag property. Your For Each loop would be neater that way. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 08 February 2009 09:31 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Hi Stuart What about storing the ctl's old description to a form level variable in, say, OnGotFocus, and using that? Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 08 February 2009 09:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. Text boxes are simple: strchanges = "" For Each ctl In Me.Controls Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) Case "txt" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & Nz(ctl.OldValue, "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf End If Case Else End Select Next If strchanges > "" Then strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values (Now()," _ & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" End If CurrentDb.Execute strSQL There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. In each case, the row source is in the form: Select Descr,ID from tblLookup If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary ie Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" I can use use ctl.text to get Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem I've considered Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter Using a DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource (easier than Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. Anyone got any other ideas? -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From bbruen at unwired.com.au Sun Feb 8 06:41:25 2009 From: bbruen at unwired.com.au (Bruce) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:41:25 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] An unashamed request for help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200902082341.26584.bbruen@unwired.com.au> Folks, I don't know whether you have seen the news about the bushfires in the state of Victoria in south east Australia. Over the last three days these fires have destroyed over 700 houses and upwards of 80 lives. This is the initial damage, the impact that this disaster will have on the lives of the survivors and the communities involved is something that even us "tough Aussies" are having trouble coming to terms with. I know the memory of Witch Creek and the other two Sacramento fires must still be in your minds, so I hope that you don't mind me asking .. if you can find it in your hearts to make some sort of contribution in these hard economic times, please. sincerely bruce Official information site: http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/incident_summary.htm News link: (!!long URL) http://news.google.com.au/news?q=vic+fires&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&ei=ts-OSY6WAoPQkAXe5unMDA&sa=X&oi=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title General google link: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=vic+fires&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a I'm sure that you can find the support mechanisms through your local news or church groups. as always From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 06:50:44 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:50:44 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <1147C3EDE63F44EEAFF3C93FB7148DB3@MINSTER> References: <498ead98.06a0100a.047e.ffff95be@mx.google.com> <1147C3EDE63F44EEAFF3C93FB7148DB3@MINSTER> Message-ID: <498ed52b.096c100a.1eaa.ffffa75a@mx.google.com> We tend to get off pretty easy in Derby from most of the worse weather. Snow gone in main areas. Some snowman remnants standing in the school playing fields and that is about it. Just off now to local pub for lunch Take care. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 08 February 2009 12:00 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Plenty of snow on the ground but roads ok. What about you? andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 08 February 2009 10:02 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Morning Andy, How is P'boro? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 08 February 2009 09:49 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Sorry, you'd need to store in OnCurrent or you'd get the wrong thing if someone changed a combo twice. Better idea perhaps might be still to use the same principle but instead of storing to varibales store to the combo control's Tag property. Your For Each loop would be neater that way. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 08 February 2009 09:31 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Hi Stuart What about storing the ctl's old description to a form level variable in, say, OnGotFocus, and using that? Andy Lacey -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 08 February 2009 09:00 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? I'm logging record changes on a form into an audit trail/diary. Text boxes are simple: strchanges = "" For Each ctl In Me.Controls Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) Case "txt" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & Nz(ctl.OldValue, "BLANK") & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf End If Case Else End Select Next If strchanges > "" Then strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments) values (Now()," _ & TenderID & ",'" & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" End If CurrentDb.Execute strSQL There are a number of Combo Boxes (cboFieldName) as well. In each case, the row source is in the form: Select Descr,ID from tblLookup If I use the same method as per "txt", I get the Indexes in the diary ie Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"4" I can use use ctl.text to get Fieldname changed from "6"-to-"New Description" Getting "Old Description" insead of "6" is the problem I've considered Building Dlookup()s from cbo.Rowsource with a cbo.Oldvalue filter Using a DAO,.Recordset to do the same, again based on the cbo.Rowsource (easier than Dlookup, because I can use Fieldnumbers in the returned record) Both seem a bit of a PITA since there are a lot of fields on the form. Ideally I'd like something like ctl.oldvalue.text but that doesn't work. Anyone got any other ideas? -- Stuart -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 06:51:44 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:51:44 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] An unashamed request for help In-Reply-To: <200902082341.26584.bbruen@unwired.com.au> References: <200902082341.26584.bbruen@unwired.com.au> Message-ID: <498ed566.06c8100a.302b.752d@mx.google.com> I definitely will give something. I will log on after I get back from the pub. With a pint or two in me, I will be far more generous . Hope you are ok, Bruch Regards and best wishes Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Sent: 08 February 2009 12:41 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] An unashamed request for help Folks, I don't know whether you have seen the news about the bushfires in the state of Victoria in south east Australia. Over the last three days these fires have destroyed over 700 houses and upwards of 80 lives. This is the initial damage, the impact that this disaster will have on the lives of the survivors and the communities involved is something that even us "tough Aussies" are having trouble coming to terms with. I know the memory of Witch Creek and the other two Sacramento fires must still be in your minds, so I hope that you don't mind me asking .. if you can find it in your hearts to make some sort of contribution in these hard economic times, please. sincerely bruce Official information site: http://www.cfa.vic.gov.au/incidents/incident_summary.htm News link: (!!long URL) http://news.google.com.au/news?q=vic+fires&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:of ficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&ei=ts-OSY6WAoPQkAXe5unMDA&sa=X&o i=news_group&resnum=1&ct=title General google link: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=vic+fires&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.m ozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a I'm sure that you can find the support mechanisms through your local news or church groups. as always -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 06:54:54 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 12:54:54 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <498F544B.4790.BA93629@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, <498F3FA3.12324.B5885CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <498eb74b.096c100a.2ede.ffffff60@mx.google.com> <498F544B.4790.BA93629@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <498ed623.0856100a.17e3.3076@mx.google.com> Yes, that is what I meant. I didn't have the ability to test it before but glad you had the intelligence to read between the lines (of code). . Send over the next problem. Take care Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: 08 February 2009 11:53 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? Hi Max, Won't work, clt.Value, ctl.Oldvalue and ctl.Column(x) are properties of a control, there is no such property as clt.Value.Column(x) or ctl.Oldvalue.Column(x) However, you've just given me an idea. I can use ctl.Column(0) to get the new value I want, so that's halved the number of lookups I have to do. So now it's just: Case "cbo" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4, Len(ctl.Name) - 5) _ & " changed from '" & GetValue(ctl.Rowsource, Nz(ctl.OldValue, 0)) _ & "'-to-'" & Nz(ctl.Column(0), "BLANK") & "'" & vbCrLf End If Cheers, Stuart On 8 Feb 2009 at 10:43, Max Wanadoo wrote: > Case "cbo" ' value will be a long but we want the description > If ctl.Value <> ctl.OldValue Then > strchanges = strchanges + Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) & " changed from '" & > ctl.OldValue.column(0) & "'-to-'" & ctl.Value.column(0) & "'" & vbCrLf > End If -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Sun Feb 8 11:06:02 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:06:02 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Join the club, pocket protectors are on the table in the corner! ;) Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:03 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] The Money Drive (WAS: OT: I'm old) Hi Drew OK, you are a true geek. I did know of subst - use it exactly for the purpose you describe, to simulate a (network) drive - but not that it accepts non-drive letters for drive letters. This one is really fun: SUBST :: C:\Windows Now you can make a dir ::\*.ini - but in the command window only, Explorer doesn't like it! /gustav >>> DWUTKA at marlow.com 06-02-2009 23:33 >>> For S & G's, I did a googling about drive letters, to see if there was anything out there about A and B drives that didn't have to do with older computers usually having one or two floppy drives... Nope, that's the real deal. No other mystical explanation. (Most people don't realize why IP addresses are four quads of 0 to 255... ;) ) Anyhow, in reading the pages I found, I discovered something VERY interesting about SUBST. For those of you who do not know, SUBST is a DOS command (but works in XP and Vista too), that allows you to 'create' a virtual drive off of a physical folder. For example, let's say you have a network drive 'T:' at work. And you have an application that depends on files being at T:\SomeFolder\*.* . Well if you create a folder on your C: drive, and call it TDrive (Thus C:\TDrive) then copy that 'SomeFolder' into that TDrive folder. Then, from a DOS prompt, you can put in: SUBST T: C:\TDrive And Whalla, you now have a T: drive, that is really the 'C:\TDrive' folder. Anywho...the neat thing I found out about SUBST that I never knew, is that SUBST actually let's you use non-alpha (some of them...) characters to create these 'virtual' drive letters. They don't appear to show up in Explorer though (at least not in Vista). I have a folder on my C drive called 'Downloads'. So in a dos prompt, the following command: SUBST $: C:\Downloads Allowed me to then go: $: Which gave me a: $:\ Prompt, which I could then do a DIR in, and it listed the contents of my 'money' drive! LOL Ok, I'm a geek! ;) Drew -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From DWUTKA at Marlow.com Sun Feb 8 11:07:47 2009 From: DWUTKA at Marlow.com (Drew Wutka) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 11:07:47 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Virtual Server 2005 R2 (The current 'free' version from Microsoft) has both a browser and remote console based access. However, I personally just setup Remote Administrator in my virtual machines, and control them with that (which is what I use to control all my physical networked machines.... Drew -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:14 AM To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware Hi Steve He probably doesn't like the browser based Server Console. Could you ask him about that? My colleague prefers to have the trouble opening ports in the firewall to be able to deal with the previous Windows-based Server Console. /gustav >>> erbachs at gmail.com 07-02-2009 12:50 >>> Rocky, Our network admin relies on VMWare for all sorts of stuff. He set up a monster server or two with 24 GB of RAM and 8 processors. VMWare machines have been set up to run SQL Server, Exchange Server, web servers, etc., etc., ... It's to the point now where he doesn't even consider setting up a system to just run an OS by itself. Now, it's set up to act as a VMWare host to run multiple servers. Interestingly enough, he doesn't use the latest VMWare 2 stuff, he's a believer in 1.4 or whatever the newest-but-one version is. I trust his judgement because he is the absolute hugest uber-geek I've ever met, bar none. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > FYI: articles on VM in the San Diego ComputorEdge > > http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=cover&issue=2706&zo ne=SD&src=1 > > http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=in1&issue=2706&zone =SD&src=1 > > > Rocky Smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 13:14:34 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 19:14:34 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <498f2f1d.17e7300a.7260.1978@mx.google.com> Has anybody any experience of www.returnil.com This is free for personal use and <$30, <25 Euros, >> erbachs at gmail.com 07-02-2009 12:50 >>> Rocky, Our network admin relies on VMWare for all sorts of stuff. He set up a monster server or two with 24 GB of RAM and 8 processors. VMWare machines have been set up to run SQL Server, Exchange Server, web servers, etc., etc., ... It's to the point now where he doesn't even consider setting up a system to just run an OS by itself. Now, it's set up to act as a VMWare host to run multiple servers. Interestingly enough, he doesn't use the latest VMWare 2 stuff, he's a believer in 1.4 or whatever the newest-but-one version is. I trust his judgement because he is the absolute hugest uber-geek I've ever met, bar none. Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > FYI: articles on VM in the San Diego ComputorEdge > > http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=cover&issue=2706&zo ne=SD&src=1 > > http://webserver.computoredge.com/online.mvc?article=in1&issue=2706&zone =SD&src=1 > > > Rocky Smolin -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com The information contained in this transmission is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain II-VI Proprietary and/or II-VI Business Sensitive material. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. You are notified that any review, retransmission, copying, disclosure, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 14:16:38 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 14:16:38 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39cb22f30902081216o77cf05bqd982d68a19cfecf2@mail.gmail.com> Gustav, You're spot on about the browser-based controls. He doesn't think they're ready for prime time. I don't know specifics, but that's the main one. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Gustav Brock wrote: > Hi Steve > > He probably doesn't like the browser based Server Console. Could you ask him about that? My colleague prefers to have the trouble opening ports in the firewall to be able to deal with the previous Windows-based Server Console. > > /gustav > >>>> erbachs at gmail.com 07-02-2009 12:50 >>> > Rocky, > > Our network admin relies on VMWare for all sorts of stuff. He set up > a monster server or two with 24 GB of RAM and 8 processors. VMWare > machines have been set up to run SQL Server, Exchange Server, web > servers, etc., etc., ... > > It's to the point now where he doesn't even consider setting up a > system to just run an OS by itself. Now, it's set up to act as a > VMWare host to run multiple servers. > > Interestingly enough, he doesn't use the latest VMWare 2 stuff, he's a > believer in 1.4 or whatever the newest-but-one version is. I trust > his judgement because he is the absolute hugest uber-geek I've ever > met, bar none. > > Steve Erbach From Gustav at cactus.dk Sun Feb 8 15:06:52 2009 From: Gustav at cactus.dk (Gustav Brock) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:06:52 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware Message-ID: Hi Max Never heard of it, but some answers here: http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com/faqs.htm#5 /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 08-02-2009 20:14:34 >>> Has anybody any experience of www.returnil.com This is free for personal use and <$30, <25 Euros, References: Message-ID: <498f4faf.0ec5100a.72a6.0319@mx.google.com> Hmm. Just read through that - thanks Gustav. Bit worried about the bit that says: > What happens after the subscription expires (one year normally)? After the license period the following will happen: I don't want something that requires renewal each year or will stop. So, it looks as if it is a subscription service software and not an application software. If this is right, then i am not interested. Thanks for digging through it all. Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gustav Brock Sent: 08 February 2009 21:07 To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com Subject: Re: [AccessD] Semi-OT - VM Ware Hi Max Never heard of it, but some answers here: http://www.returnilvirtualsystem.com/faqs.htm#5 /gustav >>> max.wanadoo at gmail.com 08-02-2009 20:14:34 >>> Has anybody any experience of www.returnil.com This is free for personal use and <$30, <25 Euros, References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg>, <498ead13.0c92100a.358f.2fdd@mx.google.com> <498F3FA3.12324.B5885CD@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <498F5A41.2090909@colbyconsulting.com> A combo class. A form class that scans for combos (as a starter) and loads a class instance for each combo found. The combo class sinks the before update (I think) of the combo and loads the old value into a class local variable. The combo class has the code to do whatever "lookup" you want to do. Having this allows you to simply load the form class in any form that you want to do this in. The form class loads combo classes automatically. The combo classes handle the rest, automatically. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Stuart McLachlan wrote: > Hi Max, see comments in line. > > On 8 Feb 2009 at 9:59, Max Wanadoo wrote: > >> Hi Stuart (or G'day PNG) >> >> The reason you are probably getting "6" instead of "Description" is probably >> because the Index is pointing to position 1 instead of position 0. Most >> people would probably have the rowsource set to "Select ID, Descr from >> tblLookup", so to get at "Description" at position 0 you could try >> fldname.column(0) . >> > > No, I know *why* I'm getting it. > > All the comboboxes look something like this (just replace "FundingSource" with the relevant > name for about 20 other lookups on the form) > > Name = cboFundingSourceFK > ControlSource = FundingSourceFK > RowSource = Select FundingSourceDescr,FundingSourceID From tblFundingSources) > ColumnCount = 2 > Bound Column = 2 > ColumnWidth = 4,0 > > ctl.Value and ctl.Oldvalue return the FK ( a number) > In the Diary I want to log the Description associated with that FK. > >> I would also change the variable to a variant, ie strchanges to varchanges >> so that it handles nulls etc. > > I wouldn't - I always type my variables! NZ() handles Nulls and gives me better control over > the return value from a Null. (e.g. NZ(ctl.Value, "BLANK") below) > >> I would also have a look at storing the control.value onentry then onexit do >> a "me.dirty=false" forcing a save and then checking contol.value again and >> if different writing it away by calling a function. >> > > I'm trying to avoid doing anything in individual controls event procedures - it's much cleaner > to do it all in one generic function in the Form Before_update. > From jimdettman at verizon.net Sun Feb 8 16:33:57 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:33:57 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters> <29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <068ABE2F0E6941529A382BF5E1E9B11D@XPS> Dan, Probably the biggest issue when running under Citrix is that the "C" drive is the same for everyone. That's a bit of a problem where you want everyone to have their own FE (which you would typically would install on their C drive). But there is an easy workaround for that; just map a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile (something like X) and place the FE there. A little more problematic however is references. If you open up an FE, you'll find all your references still pointing to C. For the most part, if your just using the typical references, this is not an issue. Those references can be shared with no problem. But if your using a library reference (a reference to a MDA) or some type of 3rd party component, then you might have issues with multiple users all sharing that reference. This is in fact the reason that some of the Wizards in Office are not available under TS; they simply won't work when shared. Unfortunately there is not easy work around for this. You have few choices. You can map the same drive letter for everyone (remote user or not) and write your app against that or you can distribute two different versions of the app (one that runs against C and one that runs against your mapped drive letter). I've been lucky enough to only run up against this once, but when you do it's a pain in the butt. Other then that, Access works wonderfully under TS/Citrix with JET or SQL Server. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Arthur, Anything you can think of that might have been restrictive or need to know? I'll be switching out many users from running on their PC to using a Citrix window. Glad to hear about the response time! Was your FE linked to SQL 2000 or were you using an OLEDB Provider? Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access I have lots of experience running an Access app on Terminal Services, and even with 70 users it was faster for me to develop on the remote TS box than on my local machine at home. I was completely floored. Assuming a fast pipe on both ends, I think you will be very pleased with the response time. (To be fair, our Access back end was SQL 2000.) hth, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Sun Feb 8 16:44:10 2009 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:44:10 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <64E31F347F8C4C6B936E20BD3A05728F@MINSTER> References: <498b3e75.02ab100a.5014.ffffe800@mx.google.com> <64E31F347F8C4C6B936E20BD3A05728F@MINSTER> Message-ID: <00d201c98a3e$c34eb310$131b910a@denzilnote> I got it - 51 hee hee 51 (Brilliant) You do know it's an ashes year -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: Friday, 06 February 2009 7:40 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Sorry, sounds like you didn't get the 'Life Of Brian' reference there, in which case that must have sounded very bizarre -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 February 2009 19:31 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Oh! -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Andy Lacey Sent: 05 February 2009 19:23 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday You're not the messiah you're a very naughty boy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: 05 February 2009 18:55 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Well Steve, as it is Friday in Oz but not yet here in BritLand could I ask you to post this tomorrow. I don't want to get into trouble by posting it now. Max In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from Northwestern University . On a hike through the bush, he came across a certain age bull elephant standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed distressed, so Peter approached it very carefully. He got down on one knee, inspected the elephants foot, and found a large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his knife, after which the elephant gingerly put down its foot. The elephant turned to face the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for several tense moments. Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled. Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away. Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day. Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his teenage son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the creatures turned and walked over to near where Peter and his son Cameron were standing. The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the ground, then put it down. The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the while staring at the man. Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter could not help wondering if this was the same elephant. Peter summoned up his courage, climbed over the railing, and made his way into the enclosure. He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder. The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter legs and slammed him against the railing, killing him instantly. Probably wasn't the same effing elephant.. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Steve Schapel Sent: 05 February 2009 18:45 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Whereas for me, where it *is* Friday, it is so good, for once, to not feel like I must have missed something. :-) Regards Steve -------------------------------------------------- From: "Drew Wutka" Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 5:58 AM To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > I must admit, I'm offended by this thread, here I am waking up to > seeing an AccessD post with FRIDAY OT as the subject, and I get the > warm and fuzzy feeling that tomorrow is the weekend....... > > Only to have reality crashing in that it's still Thursday! > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Sun Feb 8 17:16:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 23:16:12 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <00d201c98a3e$c34eb310$131b910a@denzilnote> References: <498b3e75.02ab100a.5014.ffffe800@mx.google.com> <64E31F347F8C4C6B936E20BD3A05728F@MINSTER> <00d201c98a3e$c34eb310$131b910a@denzilnote> Message-ID: <498f67e4.06c8100a.5727.19a1@mx.google.com> Well, somebody would have to explain that to me! Where does 51 come from? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D Sent: 08 February 2009 22:44 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday I got it - 51 hee hee 51 (Brilliant) You do know it's an ashes year From Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au Sun Feb 8 17:22:54 2009 From: Darryl.Collins at coles.com.au (Darryl Collins) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:22:54 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] OT: Aussie Day In-Reply-To: <498c6ff0.07a6420a.5fbe.6007@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57E6E6CA42105A48B977303A2CDC272007ACD7E1A0@WPEXCH22.retail.ad.cmltd.net.au> Thanks Maxx, Australia day was nice, but this weekend has been awful in the part of Oz I live (South East Australia). Massive bushfires with many houses destroyed and lives lost - whole towns have been wiped off the map. Crazy hot weather (47 degs C - 116.6F) with wild wild 90 km/ph winds. Insane stuff. Worst firestorm and weather since records began. regards Darryl. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com]On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 4:14 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] OT: Aussie Day Aussie Day coming up. Good on yer boys - have a great one. Wish I could post a pps file on this site. I have a great one which the Oz would love. Maxx -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: 05 February 2009 15:38 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon << Why would the ribbon be exempted from programmatic manipulation. Why no Application.Ribbon. Or a DoCmd.Ribbon?>> That's because despite any overtures made, Microsoft does not consider Access to be a professional development tool; user features first and foremost always. Development features are always secondary. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:21 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon Agree. In A2003 I never saw anything that could be done through the toolbars or otherwise, that could not be done in VBA using one or another object model. This seems to be a real basic difference in 2007. Why would the ribbon be exempted from programmatic manipulation. Why no Application.Ribbon. Or a DoCmd.Ribbon? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:55 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon All of this to get rid of something that should be directly programmatically manipulatable. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com William Hindman wrote: > "SendKeys"????????? > > ...shakes head ...returns to A2K3 :( > > ...sorry Stu, just couldn't help myself :) > > William > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Stuart McLachlan" > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:14 PM > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > Subject: Re: [AccessD] A2007 - Programmatically Minimize Ribbon > >> Rocky! >> >> This was answered two months ago when you asked about "turning off >> the ribbons programmatically" >> >> Here's what I posted then: >> My Height was slightly different to those in the link, probably >> because of different screen resolutions, fonts etc but it looks like >> it will always be above/below 100 so this should work anywhere. It >> certainly works for me: >> >> Function RibbonMinimized() As Boolean RibbonMinimized = >> Application.CommandBars("Ribbon").Height < 100 End Function >> >> The following four functions give you full control over the Ribbon >> :-) >> >> Function HideRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarNo End Function >> >> Function ShowRibbon() >> DoCmd.ShowToolbar "Ribbon", acToolbarYes End Function >> >> Function MinimizeRibbon() >> If Not RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> Function MaximizeRibbon() >> If RibbonMinimized Then SendKeys "^{F1}" >> End If >> End Function >> >> >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com This email and any attachments may contain privileged and confidential information and are intended for the named addressee only. 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From darren at activebilling.com.au Sun Feb 8 18:49:39 2009 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:49:39 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <498f67e4.06c8100a.5727.19a1@mx.google.com> References: <498b3e75.02ab100a.5014.ffffe800@mx.google.com> <64E31F347F8C4C6B936E20BD3A05728F@MINSTER><00d201c98a3e$c34eb310$131b910a@denzilnote> <498f67e4.06c8100a.5727.19a1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <012301c98a50$4aba2620$131b910a@denzilnote> Hi Max Glad you asked - 51 was the England cricket team's last innings total score against the West Indies the other day Many thanks again for asking Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, 09 February 2009 10:16 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Well, somebody would have to explain that to me! Where does 51 come from? Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D Sent: 08 February 2009 22:44 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday I got it - 51 hee hee 51 (Brilliant) You do know it's an ashes year -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 8 19:35:44 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:35:44 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <012301c98a50$4aba2620$131b910a@denzilnote> References: <498b3e75.02ab100a.5014.ffffe800@mx.google.com>, <498f67e4.06c8100a.5727.19a1@mx.google.com>, <012301c98a50$4aba2620$131b910a@denzilnote> Message-ID: <49901510.32314.54A77@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> 5 - 1 isn't that the Australian ODI teams recent loss/win ratio too? On 9 Feb 2009 at 11:49, Darren D wrote: > Hi Max > > Glad you asked - 51 was the England cricket team's last innings total score > against the West Indies the other day > > Many thanks again for asking > > Darren > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, 09 February 2009 10:16 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > Well, somebody would have to explain that to me! > Where does 51 come from? > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D > Sent: 08 February 2009 22:44 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > I got it - 51 hee hee 51 (Brilliant) > > You do know it's an ashes year > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From darren at activebilling.com.au Sun Feb 8 20:39:27 2009 From: darren at activebilling.com.au (Darren D) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:39:27 +1100 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <49901510.32314.54A77@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <498b3e75.02ab100a.5014.ffffe800@mx.google.com>, <498f67e4.06c8100a.5727.19a1@mx.google.com>, <012301c98a50$4aba2620$131b910a@denzilnote> <49901510.32314.54A77@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <012d01c98a5f$a1e40010$131b910a@denzilnote> Howdy my northern friend :-) Yes it is - Well spotted - Coincidental? mmmm - I think not - Did you know the Aussies, about 2 years or so ago, lost a whole series just prior to the last world cup - Which they later went on to win The loosing bit isn't what I was taking the mickey out of - We all loose - it's the Score 51 - And if it we subtract Freddie's runs the total for the whole team was about 27 or so - Well done Freddie Is it wake up time in Peterborough yet? Hee hee Andy why haven't you answered my last couple of emails (I can guess but I want to hear it from you) Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 09 February 2009 12:36 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday 5 - 1 isn't that the Australian ODI teams recent loss/win ratio too? On 9 Feb 2009 at 11:49, Darren D wrote: > Hi Max > > Glad you asked - 51 was the England cricket team's last innings total score > against the West Indies the other day > > Many thanks again for asking > > Darren > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, 09 February 2009 10:16 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > Well, somebody would have to explain that to me! > Where does 51 come from? > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D > Sent: 08 February 2009 22:44 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > I got it - 51 hee hee 51 (Brilliant) > > You do know it's an ashes year > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From stuart at lexacorp.com.pg Sun Feb 8 22:14:59 2009 From: stuart at lexacorp.com.pg (Stuart McLachlan) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:14:59 +1000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005>, <228EF9C11C704D7CA9FEC26B36CA238E@dsunit1>, <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <49903A63.21281.971843@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Thanks for the various suggestions, they got me thinking. In the end, it was Max's mention of Column() that gave me the hint I needed. When I thought about it some more, I didn't need to hit the lookup tables at all, all the old info was already available in the two columns in each Combobox's List. I just needed to iterate through the list, looking for a match in Column(1) and pulling the relevant description from Column(0), For anyone who might be interested, here's the complete logging procedure. Private Sub Form_BeforeUpdate(Cancel As Integer) Dim ctl As Control Dim strOldValue As String Dim lngLoop As Long Dim strSQL As String strchanges = "" For Each ctl In Me.Controls Select Case Left(ctl.Name, 3) Case "cbo" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then If Nz(ctl.OldValue, 0) = 0 Then strOldValue = "BLANK" Else For lngLoop = 0 To ctl.ListCount - 1 If CLng(ctl.Column(1, lngLoop)) = ctl.OldValue Then strOldValue = ctl.Column(0, lngLoop) Exit For End If Next End If strchanges = strchanges _ & Mid$(ctl.Name, 4, Len(ctl.Name) - 5) _ & " changed from """ _ & strOldValue _ & """-to-""" _ & Nz(ctl.Column(0), "BLANK") & """" & vbCrLf End If Case "txt" If Nz(ctl.Value, "") <> Nz(ctl.OldValue, "") Then strchanges = strchanges & Mid$(ctl.Name, 4) _ & " changed from """ _ & Nz(ctl.OldValue, "BLANK") _ & """-to-""" _ & Nz(ctl.Value, "BLANK") & """" & vbCrLf End If Case Else End Select Next If strchanges > "" Then strchanges = Replace(strchanges, "'", "''") strSQL = "Insert into tblDiary " _ & " (DTG,TenderID,creator,comments)" _ & " values (Now()," & TenderID & ",'" _ & GetUserName() & "','" & strchanges & "')" CurrentDb.Execute strSQL End If End Sub From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Feb 9 01:26:07 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 07:26:07 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] OT Friday In-Reply-To: <012d01c98a5f$a1e40010$131b910a@denzilnote> Message-ID: <4EC51E306238400B91412684F58A06FB@MINSTER> Replied off-line. Friday's long gone. Andy -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D Sent: 09 February 2009 02:39 To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday Howdy my northern friend :-) Yes it is - Well spotted - Coincidental? mmmm - I think not - Did you know the Aussies, about 2 years or so ago, lost a whole series just prior to the last world cup - Which they later went on to win The loosing bit isn't what I was taking the mickey out of - We all loose - it's the Score 51 - And if it we subtract Freddie's runs the total for the whole team was about 27 or so - Well done Freddie Is it wake up time in Peterborough yet? Hee hee Andy why haven't you answered my last couple of emails (I can guess but I want to hear it from you) Darren -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Stuart McLachlan Sent: Monday, 09 February 2009 12:36 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday 5 - 1 isn't that the Australian ODI teams recent loss/win ratio too? On 9 Feb 2009 at 11:49, Darren D wrote: > Hi Max > > Glad you asked - 51 was the England cricket team's last innings total > score against the West Indies the other day > > Many thanks again for asking > > Darren > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo > Sent: Monday, 09 February 2009 10:16 AM > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > Well, somebody would have to explain that to me! > Where does 51 come from? > Max > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Darren D > Sent: 08 February 2009 22:44 > To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' > Subject: Re: [AccessD] OT Friday > > I got it - 51 hee hee 51 (Brilliant) > > You do know it's an ashes year > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 04:14:25 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 04:14:25 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] OT: I'm old In-Reply-To: <498E0B0F.4679.6A3202F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <39cb22f30902070335x21d4c190i5e6dd30b3b5e490f@mail.gmail.com> <498E0B0F.4679.6A3202F@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <39cb22f30902090214v68e2cb5fsd7a516dd7159f5c9@mail.gmail.com> Stuart, Heh! Nifty references to Feynman diagrams and Wolfram's "A New Kind of Science". Thanks for posting that. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Stuart McLachlan wrote: > I did it like this: > > http://xkcd.com/505/ > > On 7 Feb 2009 at 5:35, Steve Erbach wrote: > >> Rocky, >> >> Tubes? You had tubes?! Well, isn't that special? >> >> We had to do without electrons altogether! Electrons didn't even >> exist! We had to painstakingly carve out NAND gates and XOR gates >> into the side of mountains and roll boulders down channels to perform >> even the simplest computation. Then, of course, we had to roll them >> back to the top again. Our system was called the Sisyphus I. >> >> Tubes! Hah! >> >> Steve Erbach From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 07:43:10 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:43:10 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <49903A63.21281.971843@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <228EF9C11C704D7CA9FEC26B36CA238E@dsunit1> <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <49903A63.21281.971843@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: Hi Stuart, Here are two routines which you may care to look at. The first is to store the value into the .TAG property of the control. The second just parses the controls. Might be of interes, might not, don't know, submitted as is - chuck it if no good. Regards Max Public Function pubFunUpdateTagData(frm As Form) On Error Resume Next ' this puts the data into the tag before any changes are made Dim ctl As Control, z As Variant For Each ctl In frm.Controls With ctl Select Case .ControlType Case acTextBox ' this can hold numbers, strings and dates etc Select Case varType(frm(ctl.Name)) Case 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ' int,long,single,double,currency frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Val(frm(ctl.Name)) Case 7 frm(ctl.Name).Tag = CStr(frm(ctl.Name)) Case 8 frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) End Select Case acCheckBox frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) Case acComboBox Select Case frm(ctl.Name).RowSourceType Case "Table/Query" frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1)) 'MsgBox frm(ctl.Name).Tag Case "Value List" frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(0, 0)) Case Else End Select Case acListBox frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1), "") Case acOptionGroup frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name), 0) End Select End With Next ctl exithere: Exit Function errhandler: MsgBox "Error in MCM_PeopleChanges.pubFunUpdateTagData: " & Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description Resume exithere End Function Private Function RebuildPersonsFlagsFormsControls(frm As Form, lngPID As Long) On Error Resume Next Dim ctl As Control, strDesc As String Dim varSource As Variant, varvalue As Variant, varType As Variant, varName As Variant Dim varVisible As Variant strDesc = frm.Name With frm For Each ctl In frm.Controls varName = ctl.Name varType = ctl.ControlType Select Case varType Case acTextBox varSource = ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue varVisible = ctl.Visible If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 And _ Not IsNull(varvalue) And Len(varvalue) > 0 And varVisible = True Then Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, conFlagsForms) End If Case acComboBox varSource = ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 Then Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, conFlagsForms) End If Case acCheckBox varSource = ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue If varvalue = True Then Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, conFlagsForms) End If Case acOptionGroup varSource = ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, conFlagsForms) Case acSubform Case acLabel Case acBoundObjectFrame Case acPage Case acPageBreak Case acCommandButton Case acCustomControl Case acRectangle Case acImage Case acTabCtl Case acLine Case acToggleButton Case acObjectFrame Case acListBox Case acOptionButton Case Else MsgBox "NewType found in RebuildPersonsFalgsSystemControls:", varType, varName End Select Next ctl End With End Function From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 9 08:12:52 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:12:52 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: References: <8DB591BFA68245058EB73BC4445B40F0@HAL9005> <228EF9C11C704D7CA9FEC26B36CA238E@dsunit1> <498F2BA6.17869.B0A723C@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> <49903A63.21281.971843@stuart.lexacorp.com.pg> Message-ID: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com> Guys, Using the tag value to store stuff is generally not a good solution, and never was (well, perhaps before classes). The disadvantages of the tag speak for itself, ONE location to store how much stuff? Packing, unpacking variables that you want to store there, overwriting data from the previous programmer, and the list goes on. Look, MS very kindly gave us Classes and WithEvents. Classes and Withevents is EASY. Classes and Withevents prepares you for programming in other platforms such as dotnet. Classes and withevents provide you with extremely powerful methods of handling repetitive programing. Classes provide you with encapsulation of code and data. If you are a programmer, all of these things should matter to you. If you can program Code Behind Form, if you can do things like the example code that Max so kindly provided, then classes are a tiny step that will increase your skill and ability an order of magnitude. AccessD has many developers using Classes and Withevents. Perhaps they can speak up with their opinions on the subject. If you want to learn how to do what Stuart was asking about using a single pair of classes (a form class and a combo class), speak up and I will start a thread on the subject. I will teach you how to do this stuff, step by step, and in just a few emails you too can be using classes and withevents. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hi Stuart, > Here are two routines which you may care to look at. The first is to store > the value into the .TAG property of the control. > The second just parses the controls. > Might be of interes, might not, don't know, submitted as is - chuck it if no > good. > Regards > Max > > Public Function pubFunUpdateTagData(frm As Form) > On Error Resume Next > ' this puts the data into the tag before any changes are made > > Dim ctl As Control, z As Variant > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > With ctl > Select Case .ControlType > Case acTextBox ' this can hold numbers, strings and dates etc > Select Case varType(frm(ctl.Name)) > Case 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ' int,long,single,double,currency > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Val(frm(ctl.Name)) > Case 7 > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = CStr(frm(ctl.Name)) > Case 8 > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) > End Select > Case acCheckBox > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) > Case acComboBox > Select Case frm(ctl.Name).RowSourceType > Case "Table/Query" > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1)) > 'MsgBox frm(ctl.Name).Tag > Case "Value List" > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(0, 0)) > Case Else > End Select > Case acListBox > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1), "") > Case acOptionGroup > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name), 0) > End Select > End With > Next ctl > > exithere: > Exit Function > errhandler: > MsgBox "Error in MCM_PeopleChanges.pubFunUpdateTagData: " & Err.Number & > vbCrLf & Err.Description > Resume exithere > End Function > > Private Function RebuildPersonsFlagsFormsControls(frm As Form, lngPID As > Long) > On Error Resume Next > Dim ctl As Control, strDesc As String > Dim varSource As Variant, varvalue As Variant, varType As Variant, varName > As Variant > Dim varVisible As Variant > strDesc = frm.Name > With frm > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > varName = ctl.Name > varType = ctl.ControlType > Select Case varType > Case acTextBox > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > varVisible = ctl.Visible > If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 And _ > Not IsNull(varvalue) And Len(varvalue) > 0 And varVisible = True > Then > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > lngPID, conFlagsForms) > End If > Case acComboBox > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 Then > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > lngPID, conFlagsForms) > End If > Case acCheckBox > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > If varvalue = True Then > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > lngPID, conFlagsForms) > End If > Case acOptionGroup > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > conFlagsForms) > Case acSubform > Case acLabel > Case acBoundObjectFrame > Case acPage > Case acPageBreak > Case acCommandButton > Case acCustomControl > Case acRectangle > Case acImage > Case acTabCtl > Case acLine > Case acToggleButton > Case acObjectFrame > Case acListBox > Case acOptionButton > Case Else > MsgBox "NewType found in RebuildPersonsFalgsSystemControls:", > varType, varName > End Select > Next ctl > End With > End Function From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Feb 9 09:06:15 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:06:15 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <068ABE2F0E6941529A382BF5E1E9B11D@XPS> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters><29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> <068ABE2F0E6941529A382BF5E1E9B11D@XPS> Message-ID: <12881D1FC2474C5FBD58CFE07E61C22A@danwaters> Hi Jim, Hi Mark, This is just the type of thing I was thinking I'd need to get resolved. I am working with my customer's IT guy who seems quite comfortable with Citrix, so that's good. I'll specifically ask him about mapping a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile. I agree with avoiding the sharing of references. My system now uses an AutoUpdater.mdb file that I wrote to ensure that each user automatically pulls the latest files from the server each time they open the application, so all references do go to files on the C drive. The FE.mdb, Library.mdb, TempTables.mdb, sound files, and one 3rd party dll file (VBA Global Error Handler from EverythingAccess.com), are checked for Last Modified Date and pulled to the client before the app is opened. There are continuous requests for modifications, so the FE.mdb and Library.mdb are updated frequently. This autoupdating is at least one scenario that we'll need to work through carefully. Another is that my app pulls a recordset from the mdw file on the server to see how many people are logged in. If they have 8 licenses, user 9 just gets a message that the app is 'full', and they are then logged out. Right now the max number of concurrent users is only 8, this may double or so in a couple of years. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Dan, Probably the biggest issue when running under Citrix is that the "C" drive is the same for everyone. That's a bit of a problem where you want everyone to have their own FE (which you would typically would install on their C drive). But there is an easy workaround for that; just map a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile (something like X) and place the FE there. A little more problematic however is references. If you open up an FE, you'll find all your references still pointing to C. For the most part, if your just using the typical references, this is not an issue. Those references can be shared with no problem. But if your using a library reference (a reference to a MDA) or some type of 3rd party component, then you might have issues with multiple users all sharing that reference. This is in fact the reason that some of the Wizards in Office are not available under TS; they simply won't work when shared. Unfortunately there is not easy work around for this. You have few choices. You can map the same drive letter for everyone (remote user or not) and write your app against that or you can distribute two different versions of the app (one that runs against C and one that runs against your mapped drive letter). I've been lucky enough to only run up against this once, but when you do it's a pain in the butt. Other then that, Access works wonderfully under TS/Citrix with JET or SQL Server. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Arthur, Anything you can think of that might have been restrictive or need to know? I'll be switching out many users from running on their PC to using a Citrix window. Glad to hear about the response time! Was your FE linked to SQL 2000 or were you using an OLEDB Provider? Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access I have lots of experience running an Access app on Terminal Services, and even with 70 users it was faster for me to develop on the remote TS box than on my local machine at home. I was completely floored. Assuming a fast pipe on both ends, I think you will be very pleased with the response time. (To be fair, our Access back end was SQL 2000.) hth, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Feb 9 09:16:49 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:16:49 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <12881D1FC2474C5FBD58CFE07E61C22A@danwaters> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters><29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> <068ABE2F0E6941529A382BF5E1E9B11D@XPS> <12881D1FC2474C5FBD58CFE07E61C22A@danwaters> Message-ID: <4B3A6DAE149D4145964C4CA38FD08E04@XPS> Dan, Actually, the global error handler may be more of an issue if it's using any kind of temp storage to do anything. That's what you need to watch out for; places where you assumed only one user would be in there at one time. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Jim, Hi Mark, This is just the type of thing I was thinking I'd need to get resolved. I am working with my customer's IT guy who seems quite comfortable with Citrix, so that's good. I'll specifically ask him about mapping a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile. I agree with avoiding the sharing of references. My system now uses an AutoUpdater.mdb file that I wrote to ensure that each user automatically pulls the latest files from the server each time they open the application, so all references do go to files on the C drive. The FE.mdb, Library.mdb, TempTables.mdb, sound files, and one 3rd party dll file (VBA Global Error Handler from EverythingAccess.com), are checked for Last Modified Date and pulled to the client before the app is opened. There are continuous requests for modifications, so the FE.mdb and Library.mdb are updated frequently. This autoupdating is at least one scenario that we'll need to work through carefully. Another is that my app pulls a recordset from the mdw file on the server to see how many people are logged in. If they have 8 licenses, user 9 just gets a message that the app is 'full', and they are then logged out. Right now the max number of concurrent users is only 8, this may double or so in a couple of years. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Dan, Probably the biggest issue when running under Citrix is that the "C" drive is the same for everyone. That's a bit of a problem where you want everyone to have their own FE (which you would typically would install on their C drive). But there is an easy workaround for that; just map a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile (something like X) and place the FE there. A little more problematic however is references. If you open up an FE, you'll find all your references still pointing to C. For the most part, if your just using the typical references, this is not an issue. Those references can be shared with no problem. But if your using a library reference (a reference to a MDA) or some type of 3rd party component, then you might have issues with multiple users all sharing that reference. This is in fact the reason that some of the Wizards in Office are not available under TS; they simply won't work when shared. Unfortunately there is not easy work around for this. You have few choices. You can map the same drive letter for everyone (remote user or not) and write your app against that or you can distribute two different versions of the app (one that runs against C and one that runs against your mapped drive letter). I've been lucky enough to only run up against this once, but when you do it's a pain in the butt. Other then that, Access works wonderfully under TS/Citrix with JET or SQL Server. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Arthur, Anything you can think of that might have been restrictive or need to know? I'll be switching out many users from running on their PC to using a Citrix window. Glad to hear about the response time! Was your FE linked to SQL 2000 or were you using an OLEDB Provider? Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access I have lots of experience running an Access app on Terminal Services, and even with 70 users it was faster for me to develop on the remote TS box than on my local machine at home. I was completely floored. Assuming a fast pipe on both ends, I think you will be very pleased with the response time. (To be fair, our Access back end was SQL 2000.) hth, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jimdettman at verizon.net Mon Feb 9 09:15:01 2009 From: jimdettman at verizon.net (Jim Dettman) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:15:01 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <12881D1FC2474C5FBD58CFE07E61C22A@danwaters> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters><29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com> <068ABE2F0E6941529A382BF5E1E9B11D@XPS> <12881D1FC2474C5FBD58CFE07E61C22A@danwaters> Message-ID: <2A4319B3F9A1422285AF4D672D2C68F4@XPS> Dan, Sounds like your Library.MDB would be an issue. If it's just pure code, you might get away with it, just keep in mind that all users will be sharing it unless you take extra steps. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Jim, Hi Mark, This is just the type of thing I was thinking I'd need to get resolved. I am working with my customer's IT guy who seems quite comfortable with Citrix, so that's good. I'll specifically ask him about mapping a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile. I agree with avoiding the sharing of references. My system now uses an AutoUpdater.mdb file that I wrote to ensure that each user automatically pulls the latest files from the server each time they open the application, so all references do go to files on the C drive. The FE.mdb, Library.mdb, TempTables.mdb, sound files, and one 3rd party dll file (VBA Global Error Handler from EverythingAccess.com), are checked for Last Modified Date and pulled to the client before the app is opened. There are continuous requests for modifications, so the FE.mdb and Library.mdb are updated frequently. This autoupdating is at least one scenario that we'll need to work through carefully. Another is that my app pulls a recordset from the mdw file on the server to see how many people are logged in. If they have 8 licenses, user 9 just gets a message that the app is 'full', and they are then logged out. Right now the max number of concurrent users is only 8, this may double or so in a couple of years. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Dan, Probably the biggest issue when running under Citrix is that the "C" drive is the same for everyone. That's a bit of a problem where you want everyone to have their own FE (which you would typically would install on their C drive). But there is an easy workaround for that; just map a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile (something like X) and place the FE there. A little more problematic however is references. If you open up an FE, you'll find all your references still pointing to C. For the most part, if your just using the typical references, this is not an issue. Those references can be shared with no problem. But if your using a library reference (a reference to a MDA) or some type of 3rd party component, then you might have issues with multiple users all sharing that reference. This is in fact the reason that some of the Wizards in Office are not available under TS; they simply won't work when shared. Unfortunately there is not easy work around for this. You have few choices. You can map the same drive letter for everyone (remote user or not) and write your app against that or you can distribute two different versions of the app (one that runs against C and one that runs against your mapped drive letter). I've been lucky enough to only run up against this once, but when you do it's a pain in the butt. Other then that, Access works wonderfully under TS/Citrix with JET or SQL Server. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Arthur, Anything you can think of that might have been restrictive or need to know? I'll be switching out many users from running on their PC to using a Citrix window. Glad to hear about the response time! Was your FE linked to SQL 2000 or were you using an OLEDB Provider? Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access I have lots of experience running an Access app on Terminal Services, and even with 70 users it was faster for me to develop on the remote TS box than on my local machine at home. I was completely floored. Assuming a fast pipe on both ends, I think you will be very pleased with the response time. (To be fair, our Access back end was SQL 2000.) hth, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 9 09:39:08 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 10:39:08 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events Message-ID: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> A QUICK introduction to classes and events. CLASSES: * The Code Behind Forms module in a form is a class module. * A class is a module, but a module is not a class. * A class has properties and behaviors that a module does not. * A class is actually instantiated when a set statement is executed. In other words, an INSTANCE of the class is loaded into memory, and stays in memory until it is specifically unloaded. * Like a module, a class can contain data (variables) and code. However the variables in a module can only contain ONE value at a time. * A class can be loaded into memory as many times as you want (limited only by the size of your memory) and EACH INSTANCE of a class can contain its own value in its variables. * All instances of a class SHARE code, but do not share variables. In other words, the code is only loaded into memory one time, but the variables are loaded once per class instance loaded. * The class (and every object, including forms and controls) unloads from memory when the last variable holding a pointer to the object is set to nothing. *A class has two built-in Events that fire, one as a class instance loads (Class_Initialize), and the other as the class instance unloads (Class_Terminate). Think of a class as a place to store information and code about some thing in the real world. Perhaps you have a clsPerson. That class has a bunch of variables called FirstName, LastName, SSN, ColorHair, ColorEyes, Gender, Birthdate etc. Load an INSTANCE of that class and fill in the data about John Colby, load another instance and fill in the data about Mary Colby etc. You might then have a piece of code that takes the birthdate and calculates the current age from that. The data and the code are all stored together in the class. EVENTS: Events can be thought of kind of like a radio transmission. The radio station transmits a signal, but they have no idea whether anyone is listening. In the case of events, this is called ?Raising (or sourcing) and event?. If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person listening can do whatever they want with the signal they are receiving. They can do nothing at all, they can use it as a signal to launch an attack on an enemy, they can enjoy music, they can? The important thing to understand here is that what the listener does is up to the listener. In the case of events, receiving the signal is called ?sinking? the event. Notice that the person broadcasting the signal doesn?t know or care whether anyone is listening, nor do they know or care what the listener (if they even exist) does with the signal. When you open a form, the form is constantly raising events. It raises OnOpen, OnClose, OnCurrent, BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate, MouseMove etc etc. The events are raised whether or not anyone is listening. The form neither knows nor cares whether anyone is listening to (sinking) those events, it is simply raising these events so that if anyone is listening to (sinking) the events, they can do whatever they want when the events fire. When you place a control on the form, the control raises events under certain circumstances. When the control gets the focus it raises an OnFocus event, when it loses the focus it raises a LostFocus event, it raises a BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate etc. Of course these events depend on what the user does, in other words they don?t happen unless the user manipulates the control in the correct manner, enters data for example. But notice that while the control always raises the event, it neither knows nor cares whether anyone is listening, nor does it know or care what the listener does with the event if anyone is listening (sinking the event). This is a critical thing to understand, that the object raising an event does not know nor care about the listener, nor what the listener does. The reason that this is critical is because it allows you to design an interface between objects which is totally asynchronous or disconnected. Have you ever built a subform and referenced a control on the parent form? Have you ever tried to open that subform by itself? It complains that it cannot find the control on the parent. The subform is has a ?connected? interface to the parent, without the parent it cannot do its thing correctly. The event ?Raise/Sink? interface eliminates that dependence. The object raising the event does not depend on having a receiver of the event in order to function correctly. The receiver of events does not depend on the broadcaster existing in order to function, although of course it cannot do whatever it would do with the events if they are not being broadcast. But each side can be loaded and code can execute without the other side being loaded, without compile errors etc. The last thing to know is that regular modules cannot sink events, but a class can. A regular module cannot RAISE an event, but a class can. Classes are modules, but modules are not classes. This is just a teaser to see if anyone is interested. If yes continue lecture else end if. -- John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com From krosenstiel at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 09:39:28 2009 From: krosenstiel at comcast.net (krosenstiel at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:39:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I'd be interested in this. Doubt I'll understand it, but I'd be interested. Karen Rosenstiel Seattle WA USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "jwcolby" To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 6:12:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue display text? Guys, Using the tag value to store stuff is generally not a good solution, and never was (well, perhaps before classes). The disadvantages of the tag speak for itself, ONE location to store how much stuff? Packing, unpacking variables that you want to store there, overwriting data from the previous programmer, and the list goes on. Look, MS very kindly gave us Classes and WithEvents. Classes and Withevents is EASY. Classes and Withevents prepares you for programming in other platforms such as dotnet. Classes and withevents provide you with extremely powerful methods of handling repetitive programing. Classes provide you with encapsulation of code and data. If you are a programmer, all of these things should matter to you. If you can program Code Behind Form, if you can do things like the example code that Max so kindly provided, then classes are a tiny step that will increase your skill and ability an order of magnitude. AccessD has many developers using Classes and Withevents. Perhaps they can speak up with their opinions on the subject. If you want to learn how to do what Stuart was asking about using a single pair of classes (a form class and a combo class), speak up and I will start a thread on the subject. I will teach you how to do this stuff, step by step, and in just a few emails you too can be using classes and withevents. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Hi Stuart, > Here are two routines which you may care to look at. The first is to store > the value into the .TAG property of the control. > The second just parses the controls. > Might be of interes, might not, don't know, submitted as is - chuck it if no > good. > Regards > Max > > Public Function pubFunUpdateTagData(frm As Form) > On Error Resume Next > ' this puts the data into the tag before any changes are made > > Dim ctl As Control, z As Variant > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > With ctl > Select Case .ControlType > Case acTextBox ' this can hold numbers, strings and dates etc > Select Case varType(frm(ctl.Name)) > Case 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ' int,long,single,double,currency > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Val(frm(ctl.Name)) > Case 7 > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = CStr(frm(ctl.Name)) > Case 8 > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) > End Select > Case acCheckBox > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) > Case acComboBox > Select Case frm(ctl.Name).RowSourceType > Case "Table/Query" > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1)) > 'MsgBox frm(ctl.Name).Tag > Case "Value List" > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(0, 0)) > Case Else > End Select > Case acListBox > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1), "") > Case acOptionGroup > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name), 0) > End Select > End With > Next ctl > > exithere: > Exit Function > errhandler: > MsgBox "Error in MCM_PeopleChanges.pubFunUpdateTagData: " & Err.Number & > vbCrLf & Err.Description > Resume exithere > End Function > > Private Function RebuildPersonsFlagsFormsControls(frm As Form, lngPID As > Long) > On Error Resume Next > Dim ctl As Control, strDesc As String > Dim varSource As Variant, varvalue As Variant, varType As Variant, varName > As Variant > Dim varVisible As Variant > strDesc = frm.Name > With frm > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > varName = ctl.Name > varType = ctl.ControlType > Select Case varType > Case acTextBox > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > varVisible = ctl.Visible > If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 And _ > Not IsNull(varvalue) And Len(varvalue) > 0 And varVisible = True > Then > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > lngPID, conFlagsForms) > End If > Case acComboBox > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 Then > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > lngPID, conFlagsForms) > End If > Case acCheckBox > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > If varvalue = True Then > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > lngPID, conFlagsForms) > End If > Case acOptionGroup > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > conFlagsForms) > Case acSubform > Case acLabel > Case acBoundObjectFrame > Case acPage > Case acPageBreak > Case acCommandButton > Case acCustomControl > Case acRectangle > Case acImage > Case acTabCtl > Case acLine > Case acToggleButton > Case acObjectFrame > Case acListBox > Case acOptionButton > Case Else > MsgBox "NewType found in RebuildPersonsFalgsSystemControls:", > varType, varName > End Select > Next ctl > End With > End Function -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 09:50:27 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 15:50:27 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com> <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Ha! It was in the 1990's I wrote it . I dont use tags now, but they might be useful for some purposes - I can think of one but won't go into that now. The aim was to demonstrate easily, the use of control looping with the various control types and not the storage of variable values. I also use classes but I am not a devotee like you John. Sinking and Uping (or whatever the reverse of sinking is) or WithEvents is not something I have ever got into and have never ever had a need for this - I say that because I have not come across anything that I cannot do without using it/them. I would be interest to follow a thread though. Thanks Max On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: > I'd be interested in this. Doubt I'll understand it, but I'd be interested. > > Karen Rosenstiel > Seattle WA USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 6:12:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue display > text? > > Guys, > > Using the tag value to store stuff is generally not a good solution, and > never was (well, perhaps > before classes). The disadvantages of the tag speak for itself, ONE > location to store how much > stuff? Packing, unpacking variables that you want to store there, > overwriting data from the > previous programmer, and the list goes on. > > Look, MS very kindly gave us Classes and WithEvents. > > Classes and Withevents is EASY. Classes and Withevents prepares you for > programming in other > platforms such as dotnet. Classes and withevents provide you with extremely > powerful methods of > handling repetitive programing. Classes provide you with encapsulation of > code and data. If you > are a programmer, all of these things should matter to you. > > If you can program Code Behind Form, if you can do things like the example > code that Max so kindly > provided, then classes are a tiny step that will increase your skill and > ability an order of > magnitude. AccessD has many developers using Classes and Withevents. > Perhaps they can speak up > with their opinions on the subject. > > If you want to learn how to do what Stuart was asking about using a single > pair of classes (a form > class and a combo class), speak up and I will start a thread on the > subject. I will teach you how > to do this stuff, step by step, and in just a few emails you too can be > using classes and withevents. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: > > Hi Stuart, > > Here are two routines which you may care to look at. The first is to > store > > the value into the .TAG property of the control. > > The second just parses the controls. > > Might be of interes, might not, don't know, submitted as is - chuck it if > no > > good. > > Regards > > Max > > > > Public Function pubFunUpdateTagData(frm As Form) > > On Error Resume Next > > ' this puts the data into the tag before any changes are made > > > > Dim ctl As Control, z As Variant > > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > > With ctl > > Select Case .ControlType > > Case acTextBox ' this can hold numbers, strings and dates etc > > Select Case varType(frm(ctl.Name)) > > Case 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ' int,long,single,double,currency > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Val(frm(ctl.Name)) > > Case 7 > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = CStr(frm(ctl.Name)) > > Case 8 > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) > > End Select > > Case acCheckBox > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) > > Case acComboBox > > Select Case frm(ctl.Name).RowSourceType > > Case "Table/Query" > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1)) > > 'MsgBox frm(ctl.Name).Tag > > Case "Value List" > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(0, 0)) > > Case Else > > End Select > > Case acListBox > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1), "") > > Case acOptionGroup > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name), 0) > > End Select > > End With > > Next ctl > > > > exithere: > > Exit Function > > errhandler: > > MsgBox "Error in MCM_PeopleChanges.pubFunUpdateTagData: " & Err.Number & > > vbCrLf & Err.Description > > Resume exithere > > End Function > > > > Private Function RebuildPersonsFlagsFormsControls(frm As Form, lngPID As > > Long) > > On Error Resume Next > > Dim ctl As Control, strDesc As String > > Dim varSource As Variant, varvalue As Variant, varType As Variant, > varName > > As Variant > > Dim varVisible As Variant > > strDesc = frm.Name > > With frm > > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > > varName = ctl.Name > > varType = ctl.ControlType > > Select Case varType > > Case acTextBox > > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > > varVisible = ctl.Visible > > If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 And _ > > Not IsNull(varvalue) And Len(varvalue) > 0 And varVisible = True > > Then > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > > lngPID, conFlagsForms) > > End If > > Case acComboBox > > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > > If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 Then > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > > lngPID, conFlagsForms) > > End If > > Case acCheckBox > > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > > If varvalue = True Then > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > > lngPID, conFlagsForms) > > End If > > Case acOptionGroup > > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) > > Case acSubform > > Case acLabel > > Case acBoundObjectFrame > > Case acPage > > Case acPageBreak > > Case acCommandButton > > Case acCustomControl > > Case acRectangle > > Case acImage > > Case acTabCtl > > Case acLine > > Case acToggleButton > > Case acObjectFrame > > Case acListBox > > Case acOptionButton > > Case Else > > MsgBox "NewType found in RebuildPersonsFalgsSystemControls:", > > varType, varName > > End Select > > Next ctl > > End With > > End Function > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From bhjohnson at verizon.net Mon Feb 9 09:54:09 2009 From: bhjohnson at verizon.net (Bruce H. Johnson) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 07:54:09 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events In-Reply-To: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> References: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <782B7660AEC3470E93C01C45D07BEB7F@Halii> Yes. Keep it coming. Bruce H. Johnson Sylmar, CA -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:39 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events A QUICK introduction to classes and events. From fuller.artful at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 10:01:20 2009 From: fuller.artful at gmail.com (Arthur Fuller) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:01:20 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events In-Reply-To: <782B7660AEC3470E93C01C45D07BEB7F@Halii> References: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> <782B7660AEC3470E93C01C45D07BEB7F@Halii> Message-ID: <29f585dd0902090801o5877b764yeb355e997c402872@mail.gmail.com> Me too. On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:54 AM, Bruce H. Johnson wrote: > Yes. Keep it coming. > > > Bruce H. Johnson > Sylmar, CA > > > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 9 10:01:49 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:01:49 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com><383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: It's Sinking and RAISING, not uping. LOL Using classes isn't the only way to do things, it's just the efficient way. Instead of writing the same code over and over, you embed that in a class and use the public interface of the class to handle its operations. If you bind a, oh, let's say ... A combobox ... To a class then the class can specify the combobox's behavior, appearance, and the way it handles itself. Want an oldvalue for a combobox? Put some code and a public property into the class and voila, you have a combobox with an oldvalue. More importantly, you have that whenever you bind a combobox to that class. I know a lot of people who never say the point in classes, but it's a bit like religion. Once you convert, you want to persuade everyone else how wonderful your approach is! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:50 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? Ha! It was in the 1990's I wrote it . I dont use tags now, but they might be useful for some purposes - I can think of one but won't go into that now. The aim was to demonstrate easily, the use of control looping with the various control types and not the storage of variable values. I also use classes but I am not a devotee like you John. Sinking and Uping (or whatever the reverse of sinking is) or WithEvents is not something I have ever got into and have never ever had a need for this - I say that because I have not come across anything that I cannot do without using it/them. I would be interest to follow a thread though. Thanks Max On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: > I'd be interested in this. Doubt I'll understand it, but I'd be interested. > > Karen Rosenstiel > Seattle WA USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 6:12:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue > display text? > > Guys, > > Using the tag value to store stuff is generally not a good solution, > and never was (well, perhaps before classes). The disadvantages of the > tag speak for itself, ONE location to store how much stuff? Packing, > unpacking variables that you want to store there, overwriting data > from the previous programmer, and the list goes on. > > Look, MS very kindly gave us Classes and WithEvents. > > Classes and Withevents is EASY. Classes and Withevents prepares you > for programming in other platforms such as dotnet. Classes and > withevents provide you with extremely powerful methods of handling > repetitive programing. Classes provide you with encapsulation of code > and data. If you are a programmer, all of these things should matter > to you. > > If you can program Code Behind Form, if you can do things like the > example code that Max so kindly provided, then classes are a tiny step > that will increase your skill and ability an order of magnitude. > AccessD has many developers using Classes and Withevents. > Perhaps they can speak up > with their opinions on the subject. > > If you want to learn how to do what Stuart was asking about using a > single pair of classes (a form class and a combo class), speak up and > I will start a thread on the subject. I will teach you how to do this > stuff, step by step, and in just a few emails you too can be using > classes and withevents. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: > > Hi Stuart, > > Here are two routines which you may care to look at. The first is to > store > > the value into the .TAG property of the control. > > The second just parses the controls. > > Might be of interes, might not, don't know, submitted as is - chuck > > it if > no > > good. > > Regards > > Max > > > > Public Function pubFunUpdateTagData(frm As Form) On Error Resume > > Next ' this puts the data into the tag before any changes are made > > > > Dim ctl As Control, z As Variant > > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > > With ctl > > Select Case .ControlType > > Case acTextBox ' this can hold numbers, strings and dates etc Select > > Case varType(frm(ctl.Name)) Case 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ' > > int,long,single,double,currency frm(ctl.Name).Tag = > > Val(frm(ctl.Name)) Case 7 frm(ctl.Name).Tag = CStr(frm(ctl.Name)) > > Case 8 frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) End Select Case acCheckBox > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) Case acComboBox Select Case > > frm(ctl.Name).RowSourceType Case "Table/Query" > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1)) 'MsgBox > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag Case "Value List" > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(0, 0)) Case Else End > > Select Case acListBox frm(ctl.Name).Tag = > > Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1), "") Case acOptionGroup frm(ctl.Name).Tag > > = Nz(frm(ctl.Name), 0) End Select End With Next ctl > > > > exithere: > > Exit Function > > errhandler: > > MsgBox "Error in MCM_PeopleChanges.pubFunUpdateTagData: " & > > Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description Resume exithere End Function > > > > Private Function RebuildPersonsFlagsFormsControls(frm As Form, > > lngPID As > > Long) > > On Error Resume Next > > Dim ctl As Control, strDesc As String Dim varSource As Variant, > > varvalue As Variant, varType As Variant, > varName > > As Variant > > Dim varVisible As Variant > > strDesc = frm.Name > > With frm > > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > > varName = ctl.Name > > varType = ctl.ControlType > > Select Case varType > > Case acTextBox > > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > > varVisible = ctl.Visible > > If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 And _ Not > > IsNull(varvalue) And Len(varvalue) > 0 And varVisible = True Then > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) End If Case acComboBox varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > > > 0 Then Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > > lngPID, conFlagsForms) End If Case acCheckBox varSource = > > ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue If varvalue = True Then > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) End If Case acOptionGroup varSource = > > ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & > > ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) > > Case acSubform > > Case acLabel > > Case acBoundObjectFrame > > Case acPage > > Case acPageBreak > > Case acCommandButton > > Case acCustomControl > > Case acRectangle > > Case acImage > > Case acTabCtl > > Case acLine > > Case acToggleButton > > Case acObjectFrame > > Case acListBox > > Case acOptionButton > > Case Else > > MsgBox "NewType found in RebuildPersonsFalgsSystemControls:", > > varType, varName > > End Select > > Next ctl > > End With > > End Function > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From markamatte at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 10:05:11 2009 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:05:11 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Import Bad data? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com> <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello All, I'm not expecting an answer I'll like...but I'll try. I'm importing a large number of records from Informix to Access via odbc. There is a large text/memo field...that apparently has some characters access does not like. I do not get an error message...access just says "an error has occurred...do you want to tell MS"...then closes. I'm trying to think of a way to detect/program around this. So far...its a very manual process. I loop through 2 days worth at a time...that way I don't have to start over from the beginning everytime. When it crashes...I pull in just the PKs for that date range...loop through them...imort the text field 1 record at a time...store in temp table...when it crashes...I compare the PKs to the temp table...the next PK not in the temp is the offender. This is very manual and time consuming...any ideas/suggestions? Thanks, Mark A. Matte _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 From mikedorism at verizon.net Mon Feb 9 10:04:50 2009 From: mikedorism at verizon.net (Doris Manning) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:04:50 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events In-Reply-To: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> References: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <0A770289946E41F08EF2E795639FF705@Kermit> Yes, please continue lecture. I do more these days with .Net but the content you have here is appropriate there too. Doris Manning Database Administrator Hargrove Inc. From phpons at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 10:05:35 2009 From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:05:35 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo Message-ID: <57144ced0902090805i3a633553u25ab3dd959b09182@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I have a small proc. to which I pass a reference to a combo box. This proc has to synchronize the combo on the first item and run the AfterUpdate event proc. Private Sub syncCboTest(ByRef cbo As ComboBox) ' syn de la cbo de s?lection du chapitre cbo.SetFocus cbo = cbo.ItemData(0) ' Call cboSelChap_AfterUpdate Call cbo_AfterUpdate '<== this won't work! End Sub The question: How would you call the AfterUpdate event of a combobox that is represented by it's reference?? something like: cbo_AfterUpdate! If it is even possible! Best regards, Philippe Pons From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 10:24:11 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:24:11 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Import Bad data? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com> <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: You could Export to a Text file and then read through that with vba text handling code to parse through and scrub the offending characters and then save the corrected file and import that. I've done that when someone provided me with several huge exported data files that didn't have the correct combination of CR & LF at the end of records and so it fouled up a direct import for me. Longtime AccessD contributor Seth Galitzer has some code samples on his website for "FILE I/O in VB" that you can download and have a look at. http://seth.galitzer.net/node/11 Once you get the file open parsing through the text and either ignoring characters or replacing them with something else isn't too tough. It's been a long time since I've done it but I could MAYBE hunt up my code if you are really stumped by that. GK On 2/9/09, Mark A Matte wrote: > > Hello All, > > I'm not expecting an answer I'll like...but I'll try. > > I'm importing a large number of records from Informix to Access via odbc. There is a large text/memo field...that apparently has some characters access does not like. I do not get an error message...access just says "an error has occurred...do you want to tell MS"...then closes. > > I'm trying to think of a way to detect/program around this. So far...its a very manual process. I loop through 2 days worth at a time...that way I don't have to start over from the beginning everytime. When it crashes...I pull in just the PKs for that date range...loop through them...imort the text field 1 record at a time...store in temp table...when it crashes...I compare the PKs to the temp table...the next PK not in the temp is the offender. > > This is very manual and time consuming...any ideas/suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Mark A. Matte > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From rockysmolin at bchacc.com Mon Feb 9 10:30:34 2009 From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com (Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:30:34 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Import Bad data? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com><383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: And once it's been exported to text and he's looping through the text file looking for the bad guys, couldn't he just add a bit of DAO code, sort the text fields into their proper fields in the record and write the record out to the table? Rocky Smolin Beach Access Software 858-259-4334 www.e-z-mrp.com www.bchacc.com -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:24 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Bad data? You could Export to a Text file and then read through that with vba text handling code to parse through and scrub the offending characters and then save the corrected file and import that. I've done that when someone provided me with several huge exported data files that didn't have the correct combination of CR & LF at the end of records and so it fouled up a direct import for me. Longtime AccessD contributor Seth Galitzer has some code samples on his website for "FILE I/O in VB" that you can download and have a look at. http://seth.galitzer.net/node/11 Once you get the file open parsing through the text and either ignoring characters or replacing them with something else isn't too tough. It's been a long time since I've done it but I could MAYBE hunt up my code if you are really stumped by that. GK On 2/9/09, Mark A Matte wrote: > > Hello All, > > I'm not expecting an answer I'll like...but I'll try. > > I'm importing a large number of records from Informix to Access via odbc. There is a large text/memo field...that apparently has some characters access does not like. I do not get an error message...access just says "an error has occurred...do you want to tell MS"...then closes. > > I'm trying to think of a way to detect/program around this. So far...its a very manual process. I loop through 2 days worth at a time...that way I don't have to start over from the beginning everytime. When it crashes...I pull in just the PKs for that date range...loop through them...imort the text field 1 record at a time...store in temp table...when it crashes...I compare the PKs to the temp table...the next PK not in the temp is the offender. > > This is very manual and time consuming...any ideas/suggestions? > > Thanks, > > Mark A. Matte > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_0 > 22009 > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From andy at minstersystems.co.uk Mon Feb 9 10:33:14 2009 From: andy at minstersystems.co.uk (Andy Lacey) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:33:14 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo Message-ID: <200902091633.n19GXJJL010690@databaseadvisors.com> Hi Philippe Yes you can, and you just run it as a sub, so yourcbo_AfterUpdate should work. Where are you calling it from though? If from outside the form the cbo's on then you'll need to change the Private Sub yourcbo_AfterUpdate statement to Public Sub. -- Andy Lacey --------- Original Message -------- From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" To: "AccessD at databaseadvisors.com" Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo Date: 09/02/09 16:11 Hi all, I have a small proc. to which I pass a reference to a combo box. This proc has to synchronize the combo on the first item and run the AfterUpdate event proc. Private Sub syncCboTest(ByRef cbo As ComboBox) ' syn de la cbo de s???ction du chapitre cbo.SetFocus cbo = cbo.ItemData(0) ' Call cboSelChap_AfterUpdate Call cbo_AfterUpdate '<= this won't work! End Sub The question: How would you call the AfterUpdate event of a combobox that is represented by it's reference?? something like: cbo_AfterUpdate! If it is even possible! Best regards, Philippe Pons -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 From joeo at appoli.com Mon Feb 9 10:34:17 2009 From: joeo at appoli.com (Joe O'Connell) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:34:17 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <12881D1FC2474C5FBD58CFE07E61C22A@danwaters> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters><29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com><068ABE2F0E6941529A382BF5E1E9B11D@XPS> <12881D1FC2474C5FBD58CFE07E61C22A@danwaters> Message-ID: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C02313E985@exch2.Onappsad.net> Dan, I have worked with Access on a Citrix server for more than 10 years with no major problems. I am in complete agreement with everything that Jim and Mark have given you, they have provided excellent advice and suggestions. For some applications another feature of Citrix that is useful is the ability to publish the application. Users logon anonymously and your Access application can start automatically. When the Access application closes, the user is automatically logged off. Since the users cannot get to a desktop, they are locked out of everything except the one application which you make available to them. This also maximizes use of the Citrix licenses since you can control how long users are logged on, and log them off automatically if they are not actively using your application. Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Jim, Hi Mark, This is just the type of thing I was thinking I'd need to get resolved. I am working with my customer's IT guy who seems quite comfortable with Citrix, so that's good. I'll specifically ask him about mapping a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile. I agree with avoiding the sharing of references. My system now uses an AutoUpdater.mdb file that I wrote to ensure that each user automatically pulls the latest files from the server each time they open the application, so all references do go to files on the C drive. The FE.mdb, Library.mdb, TempTables.mdb, sound files, and one 3rd party dll file (VBA Global Error Handler from EverythingAccess.com), are checked for Last Modified Date and pulled to the client before the app is opened. There are continuous requests for modifications, so the FE.mdb and Library.mdb are updated frequently. This autoupdating is at least one scenario that we'll need to work through carefully. Another is that my app pulls a recordset from the mdw file on the server to see how many people are logged in. If they have 8 licenses, user 9 just gets a message that the app is 'full', and they are then logged out. Right now the max number of concurrent users is only 8, this may double or so in a couple of years. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Dan, Probably the biggest issue when running under Citrix is that the "C" drive is the same for everyone. That's a bit of a problem where you want everyone to have their own FE (which you would typically would install on their C drive). But there is an easy workaround for that; just map a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile (something like X) and place the FE there. A little more problematic however is references. If you open up an FE, you'll find all your references still pointing to C. For the most part, if your just using the typical references, this is not an issue. Those references can be shared with no problem. But if your using a library reference (a reference to a MDA) or some type of 3rd party component, then you might have issues with multiple users all sharing that reference. This is in fact the reason that some of the Wizards in Office are not available under TS; they simply won't work when shared. Unfortunately there is not easy work around for this. You have few choices. You can map the same drive letter for everyone (remote user or not) and write your app against that or you can distribute two different versions of the app (one that runs against C and one that runs against your mapped drive letter). I've been lucky enough to only run up against this once, but when you do it's a pain in the butt. Other then that, Access works wonderfully under TS/Citrix with JET or SQL Server. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Arthur, Anything you can think of that might have been restrictive or need to know? I'll be switching out many users from running on their PC to using a Citrix window. Glad to hear about the response time! Was your FE linked to SQL 2000 or were you using an OLEDB Provider? Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access I have lots of experience running an Access app on Terminal Services, and even with 70 users it was faster for me to develop on the remote TS box than on my local machine at home. I was completely floored. Assuming a fast pipe on both ends, I think you will be very pleased with the response time. (To be fair, our Access back end was SQL 2000.) hth, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 9 10:41:04 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:41:04 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue display text? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com> <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49905CA0.6070901@colbyconsulting.com> Max >Sinking and Uping (or whatever the reverse of sinking is) or WithEvents is not something I have ever got into and have never ever had a need for this Then you have never used Code Behind Forms because that is EXACTLY what you are doing when you write code behind a form, SINKING events and writing code to do something. The only difference is that Access hides the fact that you are doing it. And it was not my intent to single you out or insult you with the "so 1990s", but I thought I saw someone else mention tags. I just wanted to make it clear that classes provide a place to do stuff that is infinitely superior to tags. I used tags... before I discovered classes. I have never used one since. Well... that is not quite true, I use the subform control tag to this day (and I feel SOOOOOooo guilty ;-), but that is the ONLY tag I use. If you are a programmer, then you know that encapsulation is a good thing. If you use a function, you are encapsulating code, and often variables. If you use a module, you are encapsulating code (functions) and variables. Encapsulation simply means keeping together the things that belong together. Classes are just "the next level" of encapsulation. Classes allow you to encapsulate a "system", and load the variables as well as the code to manipulate those variables... AND the event sinks as well if you need them. Events simply allow you to move the sinking of events out of the form's class into a class for the object that you are sinking events for, whether that is a form or controls. It is "encapsulating" the variables, the code, and the events that cause the code to run, into a class specifically for that object. If you think about it, the class behind a form "belongs" to the form, it does not "belong" to the controls on the form. And yet the "average" programmer sinks all of the events for all the controls on his form in the form's class. If you have a complex SYSTEM for controls that means that you can have pages and pages of code in the form, that really doesn't belong to the form itself, it belongs to the controls on the form. Encapsulation moves that code out of the form class into a class for the control or controls that make up the "system" I understand "have never ever had a need for this", since I designed systems for about 6 or 7 years before my good friend Shamil finally managed to teach me events. The things I designed worked, but they were less than optimum, though of course I did not know that. In many cases classes and events make programs just incredibly easier. Let me give you one example of a "system" and how and why you would move such a system out into a class. This is just to get you thinking, but is a real life example. I wrote a call center for a Disability Insurance Claims processor. They had a set of rules, handed down to them by the insurance industry. A claim can be several of the following: Workman's compensation Auto Related Illness Accident/Injury Maternity But they cannot be ALL of those things! Remember that these catagories are designed by the industry and used everywhere. I do not get a choice to dispute the logic. If Workman's comp then Maternity = false If Maternity then Workman's comp = false If Auto Related then Accident = true If Accident then Illness = False If Illness then Accident = false If Maternity then Illness = true If Maternity then Accident = false As you can see, this is not just "if a check box is clicked then..." there are a WHOLE bunch of rules that interact. I have to set and clear other check boxes based on just a single check box being checked. A class allows me to ENCAPSULATE the code that does this, and it allows me to SINK the events from 5 different check boxes and automatically execute the correct code. Could I embed this directly in the form? Sure! Does it belong there? Of course not, it belongs in a class that deals with the SYSTEM of setting and clearing these checkboxes. If I need these check boxes in another form (and I have them in three different forms) then I just dim a variable for this class and load it, passing in the 5 check boxes. Voila, I am done. If I need to correct a bug I do so in the ONE class, not in X different forms. If you have never had to handle a SYSTEM of rules like this then you have never done very complex programming. I bet you have, but you just never knew how to use a class to encapsulate the variables, code and event sinks all in one place. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Max Wanadoo wrote: > Ha! It was in the 1990's I wrote it . I dont use tags now, but they > might be useful for some purposes - I can think of one but won't go into > that now. > > The aim was to demonstrate easily, the use of control looping with the > various control types and not the storage of variable values. > > I also use classes but I am not a devotee like you John. Sinking and Uping > (or whatever the reverse of sinking is) or WithEvents is not something I > have ever got into and have never ever had a need for this - I say that > because I have not come across anything that I cannot do without using > it/them. > > I would be interest to follow a thread though. > > Thanks > Max From markamatte at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 10:42:25 2009 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:42:25 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Import Bad data? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com> <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I can't even pull this record in with a select statement...as a query or in vba as a recordset? I'm trying to avoid having the dba export to a text file...as they are not fans of this process to begin with. Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:24:11 -0600 > From: garykjos at gmail.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Bad data? > > You could Export to a Text file and then read through that with vba > text handling code to parse through and scrub the offending characters > and then save the corrected file and import that. I've done that when > someone provided me with several huge exported data files that didn't > have the correct combination of CR & LF at the end of records and so > it fouled up a direct import for me. > > Longtime AccessD contributor Seth Galitzer has some code samples on > his website for "FILE I/O in VB" that you can download and have a look > at. > > http://seth.galitzer.net/node/11 > > Once you get the file open parsing through the text and either > ignoring characters or replacing them with something else isn't too > tough. It's been a long time since I've done it but I could MAYBE hunt > up my code if you are really stumped by that. > > GK > > On 2/9/09, Mark A Matte wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> I'm not expecting an answer I'll like...but I'll try. >> >> I'm importing a large number of records from Informix to Access via odbc. There is a large text/memo field...that apparently has some characters access does not like. I do not get an error message...access just says "an error has occurred...do you want to tell MS"...then closes. >> >> I'm trying to think of a way to detect/program around this. So far...its a very manual process. I loop through 2 days worth at a time...that way I don't have to start over from the beginning everytime. When it crashes...I pull in just the PKs for that date range...loop through them...imort the text field 1 record at a time...store in temp table...when it crashes...I compare the PKs to the temp table...the next PK not in the temp is the offender. >> >> This is very manual and time consuming...any ideas/suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark A. Matte >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. >> http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009 From markamatte at hotmail.com Mon Feb 9 10:44:08 2009 From: markamatte at hotmail.com (Mark A Matte) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:44:08 +0000 Subject: [AccessD] Import Bad data? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com><383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I actually have a tool(this group help me build) that will let me edit/replace/search on a large text file...I've worked with 4 and 5 gig text files...just can't get to text yet? Thanks, Mark ---------------------------------------- > From: rockysmolin at bchacc.com > To: accessd at databaseadvisors.com > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 08:30:34 -0800 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Bad data? > > And once it's been exported to text and he's looping through the text file > looking for the bad guys, couldn't he just add a bit of DAO code, sort the > text fields into their proper fields in the record and write the record out > to the table? > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:24 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Bad data? > > You could Export to a Text file and then read through that with vba text > handling code to parse through and scrub the offending characters and then > save the corrected file and import that. I've done that when someone > provided me with several huge exported data files that didn't have the > correct combination of CR & LF at the end of records and so it fouled up a > direct import for me. > > Longtime AccessD contributor Seth Galitzer has some code samples on his > website for "FILE I/O in VB" that you can download and have a look at. > > http://seth.galitzer.net/node/11 > > Once you get the file open parsing through the text and either ignoring > characters or replacing them with something else isn't too tough. It's been > a long time since I've done it but I could MAYBE hunt up my code if you are > really stumped by that. > > GK > > On 2/9/09, Mark A Matte wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> I'm not expecting an answer I'll like...but I'll try. >> >> I'm importing a large number of records from Informix to Access via odbc. > There is a large text/memo field...that apparently has some characters > access does not like. I do not get an error message...access just says "an > error has occurred...do you want to tell MS"...then closes. >> >> I'm trying to think of a way to detect/program around this. So far...its > a very manual process. I loop through 2 days worth at a time...that way I > don't have to start over from the beginning everytime. When it crashes...I > pull in just the PKs for that date range...loop through them...imort the > text field 1 record at a time...store in temp table...when it crashes...I > compare the PKs to the temp table...the next PK not in the temp is the > offender. >> >> This is very manual and time consuming...any ideas/suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark A. Matte >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. >> http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_0 >> 22009 >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_022009 From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 9 10:49:30 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:49:30 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo In-Reply-To: <57144ced0902090805i3a633553u25ab3dd959b09182@mail.gmail.com> References: <57144ced0902090805i3a633553u25ab3dd959b09182@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49905E9A.2060502@colbyconsulting.com> This is possible, IF the AfterUpdate event exists within the scope of the calling subroutine and is actually called cbo_AfterUpdate. If you have a cboPerson and cboState and cboCity then the event to call would be cboPerson_AfterUpdate, cboState_AfterUpdate, cboCity_AfterUpdate. You see what I am saying? My guess is the cbo is not CALLED cbo back where it exists. You are trying to use a function to make something generic but the NAME of the objects AfterUpdate is not generic, and very likely the code cannot be seen from this function, the afterupdate sub is in the form's class and this function is where? In a module? Not the same scope. So no, you probably cannot do what you are trying to do. Now... if you had a class for your combo... ;-) John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com philippe pons wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a small proc. to which I pass a reference to a combo box. > This proc has to synchronize the combo on the first item > and run the AfterUpdate event proc. > > Private Sub syncCboTest(ByRef cbo As ComboBox) > ' syn de la cbo de s?lection du chapitre > cbo.SetFocus > cbo = cbo.ItemData(0) > ' Call cboSelChap_AfterUpdate > Call cbo_AfterUpdate '<== this won't work! > End Sub > > The question: > > How would you call the AfterUpdate event of a combobox that is represented > by it's reference?? > something like: cbo_AfterUpdate! > > If it is even possible! > > Best regards, > > Philippe Pons From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 9 10:57:02 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:57:02 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Questions about Classes and Events. In-Reply-To: <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4990605E.80702@colbyconsulting.com> Karen, Did you understand the Classes and Events email? If not ask questions now before we move on. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com krosenstiel at comcast.net wrote: > I'd be interested in this. Doubt I'll understand it, but I'd be interested. > > Karen Rosenstiel > Seattle WA USA From dwaters at usinternet.com Mon Feb 9 10:58:22 2009 From: dwaters at usinternet.com (Dan Waters) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 10:58:22 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Citrix and Access In-Reply-To: <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C02313E985@exch2.Onappsad.net> References: <9CBB659C05524E078CB7C9BC75F88867@danwaters><29f585dd0902061244g657ce9afsa77493509fceb269@mail.gmail.com><068ABE2F0E6941529A382BF5E1E9B11D@XPS><12881D1FC2474C5FBD58CFE07E61C22A@danwaters> <1CF20DB644BE124083B31638E5D5C02313E985@exch2.Onappsad.net> Message-ID: <57CE5A2F66BB4454B06EF876DB0A1652@danwaters> Thanks Joe - good stuff to learn! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Joe O'Connell Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:34 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Dan, I have worked with Access on a Citrix server for more than 10 years with no major problems. I am in complete agreement with everything that Jim and Mark have given you, they have provided excellent advice and suggestions. For some applications another feature of Citrix that is useful is the ability to publish the application. Users logon anonymously and your Access application can start automatically. When the Access application closes, the user is automatically logged off. Since the users cannot get to a desktop, they are locked out of everything except the one application which you make available to them. This also maximizes use of the Citrix licenses since you can control how long users are logged on, and log them off automatically if they are not actively using your application. Joe O'Connell -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:06 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Jim, Hi Mark, This is just the type of thing I was thinking I'd need to get resolved. I am working with my customer's IT guy who seems quite comfortable with Citrix, so that's good. I'll specifically ask him about mapping a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile. I agree with avoiding the sharing of references. My system now uses an AutoUpdater.mdb file that I wrote to ensure that each user automatically pulls the latest files from the server each time they open the application, so all references do go to files on the C drive. The FE.mdb, Library.mdb, TempTables.mdb, sound files, and one 3rd party dll file (VBA Global Error Handler from EverythingAccess.com), are checked for Last Modified Date and pulled to the client before the app is opened. There are continuous requests for modifications, so the FE.mdb and Library.mdb are updated frequently. This autoupdating is at least one scenario that we'll need to work through carefully. Another is that my app pulls a recordset from the mdw file on the server to see how many people are logged in. If they have 8 licenses, user 9 just gets a message that the app is 'full', and they are then logged out. Right now the max number of concurrent users is only 8, this may double or so in a couple of years. Thanks! Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Jim Dettman Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:34 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Dan, Probably the biggest issue when running under Citrix is that the "C" drive is the same for everyone. That's a bit of a problem where you want everyone to have their own FE (which you would typically would install on their C drive). But there is an easy workaround for that; just map a unique path on the server to a drive letter for their terminal services profile (something like X) and place the FE there. A little more problematic however is references. If you open up an FE, you'll find all your references still pointing to C. For the most part, if your just using the typical references, this is not an issue. Those references can be shared with no problem. But if your using a library reference (a reference to a MDA) or some type of 3rd party component, then you might have issues with multiple users all sharing that reference. This is in fact the reason that some of the Wizards in Office are not available under TS; they simply won't work when shared. Unfortunately there is not easy work around for this. You have few choices. You can map the same drive letter for everyone (remote user or not) and write your app against that or you can distribute two different versions of the app (one that runs against C and one that runs against your mapped drive letter). I've been lucky enough to only run up against this once, but when you do it's a pain in the butt. Other then that, Access works wonderfully under TS/Citrix with JET or SQL Server. Jim. -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Dan Waters Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 4:05 PM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access Hi Arthur, Anything you can think of that might have been restrictive or need to know? I'll be switching out many users from running on their PC to using a Citrix window. Glad to hear about the response time! Was your FE linked to SQL 2000 or were you using an OLEDB Provider? Thanks, Dan -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Arthur Fuller Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:45 PM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Citrix and Access I have lots of experience running an Access app on Terminal Services, and even with 70 users it was faster for me to develop on the remote TS box than on my local machine at home. I was completely floored. Assuming a fast pipe on both ends, I think you will be very pleased with the response time. (To be fair, our Access back end was SQL 2000.) hth, Arthur -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From erbachs at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:04:30 2009 From: erbachs at gmail.com (Steve Erbach) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:04:30 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events In-Reply-To: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> References: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <39cb22f30902090904g2c7441c0k5404846586083344@mail.gmail.com> John, Keep broadcasting. I'm waiting for the key phrase that will set off the attack. Regards, Steve Erbach Neenah, WI http://www.NeenahPolitics.com http://www.TheTownCrank.com On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:39 AM, jwcolby wrote: > A QUICK introduction to classes and events. > > > If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person listening can do whatever they want > with the signal they are receiving. They can do nothing at all, they can use it as a signal to > launch an attack on an enemy, they can enjoy music, they can? The important thing to understand > here is that what the listener does is up to the listener. From garykjos at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:06:25 2009 From: garykjos at gmail.com (Gary Kjos) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:06:25 -0600 Subject: [AccessD] Import Bad data? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com> <383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Sure. GK On 2/9/09, Rocky Smolin at Beach Access Software wrote: > And once it's been exported to text and he's looping through the text file > looking for the bad guys, couldn't he just add a bit of DAO code, sort the > text fields into their proper fields in the record and write the record out > to the table? > > > Rocky Smolin > Beach Access Software > 858-259-4334 > www.e-z-mrp.com > www.bchacc.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com > [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Gary Kjos > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:24 AM > To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Import Bad data? > > You could Export to a Text file and then read through that with vba text > handling code to parse through and scrub the offending characters and then > save the corrected file and import that. I've done that when someone > provided me with several huge exported data files that didn't have the > correct combination of CR & LF at the end of records and so it fouled up a > direct import for me. > > Longtime AccessD contributor Seth Galitzer has some code samples on his > website for "FILE I/O in VB" that you can download and have a look at. > > http://seth.galitzer.net/node/11 > > Once you get the file open parsing through the text and either ignoring > characters or replacing them with something else isn't too tough. It's been > a long time since I've done it but I could MAYBE hunt up my code if you are > really stumped by that. > > GK > > On 2/9/09, Mark A Matte wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > I'm not expecting an answer I'll like...but I'll try. > > > > I'm importing a large number of records from Informix to Access via odbc. > There is a large text/memo field...that apparently has some characters > access does not like. I do not get an error message...access just says "an > error has occurred...do you want to tell MS"...then closes. > > > > I'm trying to think of a way to detect/program around this. So far...its > a very manual process. I loop through 2 days worth at a time...that way I > don't have to start over from the beginning everytime. When it crashes...I > pull in just the PKs for that date range...loop through them...imort the > text field 1 record at a time...store in temp table...when it crashes...I > compare the PKs to the temp table...the next PK not in the temp is the > offender. > > > > This is very manual and time consuming...any ideas/suggestions? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark A. Matte > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Windows LiveT: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. > > http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Faster_0 > > 22009 > > -- > > AccessD mailing list > > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > > > > -- > Gary Kjos > garykjos at gmail.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- Gary Kjos garykjos at gmail.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 9 11:14:43 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:14:43 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events In-Reply-To: <39cb22f30902090904g2c7441c0k5404846586083344@mail.gmail.com> References: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30902090904g2c7441c0k5404846586083344@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49906483.1040506@colbyconsulting.com> ROTFL. Attack. KILL. Invade. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Erbach wrote: > John, > > Keep broadcasting. I'm waiting for the key phrase that will set off the attack. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:39 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> A QUICK introduction to classes and events. >> >> >> If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person listening can do whatever they want >> with the signal they are receiving. They can do nothing at all, they can use it as a signal to >> launch an attack on an enemy, they can enjoy music, they can? The important thing to understand >> here is that what the listener does is up to the listener. > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:27:13 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:27:13 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and WithEvengts was RE: Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com><383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <49906776.1781420a.194e.0523@mx.google.com> Oh, no upping then. Must be thinking of swans (Bet you don't get that connection Charlotte - to do with the British Monarch owning all swans). The problem I have with classes is that (going on the ones I have created, say for example an Outlook Class to expose Outlook Properties) is that to use it I have to declare a container for the pointer, then I have to set the container to point to the class and then I can use the class properties and try to remember what done what. So, I always found it easier to just go directly to the properties themselves. Now then John - whoa back a bit - I can almost see you coming down the connection cable when you read that. I do appreciate that classes have other uses, especially when a UDF is created and also for security/enforcement of business rules. One rule changed in one place. And so on... So, I will follow your class with interest. Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 09 February 2009 16:02 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? It's Sinking and RAISING, not uping. LOL Using classes isn't the only way to do things, it's just the efficient way. Instead of writing the same code over and over, you embed that in a class and use the public interface of the class to handle its operations. If you bind a, oh, let's say ... A combobox ... To a class then the class can specify the combobox's behavior, appearance, and the way it handles itself. Want an oldvalue for a combobox? Put some code and a public property into the class and voila, you have a combobox with an oldvalue. More importantly, you have that whenever you bind a combobox to that class. I know a lot of people who never say the point in classes, but it's a bit like religion. Once you convert, you want to persuade everyone else how wonderful your approach is! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:50 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? Ha! It was in the 1990's I wrote it . I dont use tags now, but they might be useful for some purposes - I can think of one but won't go into that now. The aim was to demonstrate easily, the use of control looping with the various control types and not the storage of variable values. I also use classes but I am not a devotee like you John. Sinking and Uping (or whatever the reverse of sinking is) or WithEvents is not something I have ever got into and have never ever had a need for this - I say that because I have not come across anything that I cannot do without using it/them. I would be interest to follow a thread though. Thanks Max On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: > I'd be interested in this. Doubt I'll understand it, but I'd be interested. > > Karen Rosenstiel > Seattle WA USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 6:12:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue > display text? > > Guys, > > Using the tag value to store stuff is generally not a good solution, > and never was (well, perhaps before classes). The disadvantages of the > tag speak for itself, ONE location to store how much stuff? Packing, > unpacking variables that you want to store there, overwriting data > from the previous programmer, and the list goes on. > > Look, MS very kindly gave us Classes and WithEvents. > > Classes and Withevents is EASY. Classes and Withevents prepares you > for programming in other platforms such as dotnet. Classes and > withevents provide you with extremely powerful methods of handling > repetitive programing. Classes provide you with encapsulation of code > and data. If you are a programmer, all of these things should matter > to you. > > If you can program Code Behind Form, if you can do things like the > example code that Max so kindly provided, then classes are a tiny step > that will increase your skill and ability an order of magnitude. > AccessD has many developers using Classes and Withevents. > Perhaps they can speak up > with their opinions on the subject. > > If you want to learn how to do what Stuart was asking about using a > single pair of classes (a form class and a combo class), speak up and > I will start a thread on the subject. I will teach you how to do this > stuff, step by step, and in just a few emails you too can be using > classes and withevents. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: > > Hi Stuart, > > Here are two routines which you may care to look at. The first is to > store > > the value into the .TAG property of the control. > > The second just parses the controls. > > Might be of interes, might not, don't know, submitted as is - chuck > > it if > no > > good. > > Regards > > Max > > > > Public Function pubFunUpdateTagData(frm As Form) On Error Resume > > Next ' this puts the data into the tag before any changes are made > > > > Dim ctl As Control, z As Variant > > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > > With ctl > > Select Case .ControlType > > Case acTextBox ' this can hold numbers, strings and dates etc Select > > Case varType(frm(ctl.Name)) Case 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ' > > int,long,single,double,currency frm(ctl.Name).Tag = > > Val(frm(ctl.Name)) Case 7 frm(ctl.Name).Tag = CStr(frm(ctl.Name)) > > Case 8 frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) End Select Case acCheckBox > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) Case acComboBox Select Case > > frm(ctl.Name).RowSourceType Case "Table/Query" > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1)) 'MsgBox > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag Case "Value List" > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(0, 0)) Case Else End > > Select Case acListBox frm(ctl.Name).Tag = > > Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1), "") Case acOptionGroup frm(ctl.Name).Tag > > = Nz(frm(ctl.Name), 0) End Select End With Next ctl > > > > exithere: > > Exit Function > > errhandler: > > MsgBox "Error in MCM_PeopleChanges.pubFunUpdateTagData: " & > > Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description Resume exithere End Function > > > > Private Function RebuildPersonsFlagsFormsControls(frm As Form, > > lngPID As > > Long) > > On Error Resume Next > > Dim ctl As Control, strDesc As String Dim varSource As Variant, > > varvalue As Variant, varType As Variant, > varName > > As Variant > > Dim varVisible As Variant > > strDesc = frm.Name > > With frm > > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > > varName = ctl.Name > > varType = ctl.ControlType > > Select Case varType > > Case acTextBox > > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > > varVisible = ctl.Visible > > If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 And _ Not > > IsNull(varvalue) And Len(varvalue) > 0 And varVisible = True Then > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) End If Case acComboBox varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > > > 0 Then Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > > lngPID, conFlagsForms) End If Case acCheckBox varSource = > > ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue If varvalue = True Then > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) End If Case acOptionGroup varSource = > > ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & > > ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) > > Case acSubform > > Case acLabel > > Case acBoundObjectFrame > > Case acPage > > Case acPageBreak > > Case acCommandButton > > Case acCustomControl > > Case acRectangle > > Case acImage > > Case acTabCtl > > Case acLine > > Case acToggleButton > > Case acObjectFrame > > Case acListBox > > Case acOptionButton > > Case Else > > MsgBox "NewType found in RebuildPersonsFalgsSystemControls:", > > varType, varName > > End Select > > Next ctl > > End With > > End Function > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From phpons at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:30:11 2009 From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:30:11 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo In-Reply-To: <200902091633.n19GXJJL010690@databaseadvisors.com> References: <200902091633.n19GXJJL010690@databaseadvisors.com> Message-ID: <57144ced0902090930k65b59be0ofafd0cf9c344b497@mail.gmail.com> Hi Andy, should the name of the cbo be cboSelChap, I can call cboSelChap_AfterUpdate. but if I pass this cbo to a procedure, like call myProc(me.cboSelChap) I think I can't do the following: Sub myProc(ByRef cbo as ComboBox) Call cbo_AfterUpdate This won't work, and I try to find the correct syntax, if any. I need to have only one pric that handles several combo. Thansk's for your answer, Phiippe 2009/2/9 Andy Lacey > Hi Philippe > > Yes you can, and you just run it as a sub, so yourcbo_AfterUpdate should > work. Where are you calling it from though? If from outside the form the > cbo's on then you'll need to change the > > Private Sub yourcbo_AfterUpdate > > statement to Public Sub. > > -- > Andy Lacey > > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > To: "AccessD at databaseadvisors.com" > Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo > Date: 09/02/09 16:11 > > > Hi all, > > I have a small proc. to which I pass a reference to a combo box. > This proc has to synchronize the combo on the first item > and run the AfterUpdate event proc. > > Private Sub syncCboTest(ByRef cbo As ComboBox) > ' syn de la cbo de s???ction du chapitre > cbo.SetFocus > cbo = cbo.ItemData(0) > ' Call cboSelChap_AfterUpdate > Call cbo_AfterUpdate '<= this won't work! > End Sub > > The question: > > How would you call the AfterUpdate event of a combobox that is represented > by it's reference?? > something like: cbo_AfterUpdate! > > If it is even possible! > > Best regards, > > Philippe Pons > -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From phpons at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:35:38 2009 From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:35:38 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo In-Reply-To: <49905E9A.2060502@colbyconsulting.com> References: <57144ced0902090805i3a633553u25ab3dd959b09182@mail.gmail.com> <49905E9A.2060502@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <57144ced0902090935v7a78b442o56ab0e48a2af1d7b@mail.gmail.com> Hi John, yes, I know you're a class and withevents guru! I'll try this way, but if I remenber well your explanations of the withevents statement, I recall it allows a class to SINK the event of a control, but can it CALL an event of tis control, not sure! Thank's for your help, Philippe 2009/2/9 jwcolby > This is possible, IF the AfterUpdate event exists within the scope of the > calling subroutine and is > actually called cbo_AfterUpdate. > > If you have a cboPerson and cboState and cboCity then the event to call > would be > cboPerson_AfterUpdate, cboState_AfterUpdate, cboCity_AfterUpdate. You see > what I am saying? > > My guess is the cbo is not CALLED cbo back where it exists. You are trying > to use a function to > make something generic but the NAME of the objects AfterUpdate is not > generic, and very likely the > code cannot be seen from this function, the afterupdate sub is in the > form's class and this function > is where? In a module? Not the same scope. > > So no, you probably cannot do what you are trying to do. > > Now... if you had a class for your combo... > > ;-) > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > philippe pons wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I have a small proc. to which I pass a reference to a combo box. > > This proc has to synchronize the combo on the first item > > and run the AfterUpdate event proc. > > > > Private Sub syncCboTest(ByRef cbo As ComboBox) > > ' syn de la cbo de s?lection du chapitre > > cbo.SetFocus > > cbo = cbo.ItemData(0) > > ' Call cboSelChap_AfterUpdate > > Call cbo_AfterUpdate '<== this won't work! > > End Sub > > > > The question: > > > > How would you call the AfterUpdate event of a combobox that is > represented > > by it's reference?? > > something like: cbo_AfterUpdate! > > > > If it is even possible! > > > > Best regards, > > > > Philippe Pons > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:36:12 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:36:12 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events In-Reply-To: <49906483.1040506@colbyconsulting.com> References: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> <39cb22f30902090904g2c7441c0k5404846586083344@mail.gmail.com> <49906483.1040506@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <49906990.1e8d420a.646a.199f@mx.google.com> No! It was Tora! Tora! Tora! We are talking radio signals John/Steve. Keep smiling baby.... Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of jwcolby Sent: 09 February 2009 17:15 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes and Events ROTFL. Attack. KILL. Invade. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com Steve Erbach wrote: > John, > > Keep broadcasting. I'm waiting for the key phrase that will set off the attack. > > Regards, > > Steve Erbach > Neenah, WI > http://www.NeenahPolitics.com > http://www.TheTownCrank.com > > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:39 AM, jwcolby wrote: >> A QUICK introduction to classes and events. >> >> >> If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person listening can do whatever they want >> with the signal they are receiving. They can do nothing at all, they can use it as a signal to >> launch an attack on an enemy, they can enjoy music, they can. The important thing to understand >> here is that what the listener does is up to the listener. > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From phpons at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:39:59 2009 From: phpons at gmail.com (philippe pons) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:39:59 +0100 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events In-Reply-To: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> References: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> Message-ID: <57144ced0902090939na8aba3fkf2ca6b3aaeb8bc25@mail.gmail.com> Hop, this is interesting: A regular module cannot RAISE an event, but a class can So following a previous post, a question arises: How would you raise a combo box event with a class? TIA, Philippe 2009/2/9 jwcolby > A QUICK introduction to classes and events. > > > CLASSES: > > * The Code Behind Forms module in a form is a class module. > * A class is a module, but a module is not a class. > * A class has properties and behaviors that a module does not. > * A class is actually instantiated when a set statement is executed. In > other words, an INSTANCE of > the class is loaded into memory, and stays in memory until it is > specifically unloaded. > * Like a module, a class can contain data (variables) and code. However > the variables in a module > can only contain ONE value at a time. > * A class can be loaded into memory as many times as you want (limited only > by the size of your > memory) and EACH INSTANCE of a class can contain its own value in its > variables. > * All instances of a class SHARE code, but do not share variables. In > other words, the code is only > loaded into memory one time, but the variables are loaded once per class > instance loaded. > * The class (and every object, including forms and controls) unloads from > memory when the last > variable holding a pointer to the object is set to nothing. > *A class has two built-in Events that fire, one as a class instance loads > (Class_Initialize), and > the other as the class instance unloads (Class_Terminate). > > Think of a class as a place to store information and code about some thing > in the real world. > Perhaps you have a clsPerson. That class has a bunch of variables called > FirstName, LastName, SSN, > ColorHair, ColorEyes, Gender, Birthdate etc. Load an INSTANCE of that > class and fill in the data > about John Colby, load another instance and fill in the data about Mary > Colby etc. You might then > have a piece of code that takes the birthdate and calculates the current > age from that. The data > and the code are all stored together in the class. > > EVENTS: > > Events can be thought of kind of like a radio transmission. The radio > station transmits a signal, > but they have no idea whether anyone is listening. In the case of events, > this is called "Raising > (or sourcing) and event". > > If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person listening can > do whatever they want > with the signal they are receiving. They can do nothing at all, they can > use it as a signal to > launch an attack on an enemy, they can enjoy music, they can? The > important thing to understand > here is that what the listener does is up to the listener. > > In the case of events, receiving the signal is called "sinking" the event. > > Notice that the person broadcasting the signal doesn't know or care whether > anyone is listening, nor > do they know or care what the listener (if they even exist) does with the > signal. > > When you open a form, the form is constantly raising events. It raises > OnOpen, OnClose, OnCurrent, > BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate, MouseMove etc etc. The events are raised > whether or not anyone is > listening. The form neither knows nor cares whether anyone is listening to > (sinking) those events, > it is simply raising these events so that if anyone is listening to > (sinking) the events, they can > do whatever they want when the events fire. > > When you place a control on the form, the control raises events under > certain circumstances. When > the control gets the focus it raises an OnFocus event, when it loses the > focus it raises a LostFocus > event, it raises a BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate etc. Of course these events > depend on what the user > does, in other words they don't happen unless the user manipulates the > control in the correct > manner, enters data for example. But notice that while the control always > raises the event, it > neither knows nor cares whether anyone is listening, nor does it know or > care what the listener does > with the event if anyone is listening (sinking the event). > > This is a critical thing to understand, that the object raising an event > does not know nor care > about the listener, nor what the listener does. The reason that this is > critical is because it > allows you to design an interface between objects which is totally > asynchronous or disconnected. > Have you ever built a subform and referenced a control on the parent form? > Have you ever tried to > open that subform by itself? It complains that it cannot find the control > on the parent. The > subform is has a "connected" interface to the parent, without the parent it > cannot do its thing > correctly. The event "Raise/Sink" interface eliminates that dependence. > The object raising the > event does not depend on having a receiver of the event in order to > function correctly. The > receiver of events does not depend on the broadcaster existing in order to > function, although of > course it cannot do whatever it would do with the events if they are not > being broadcast. But each > side can be loaded and code can execute without the other side being > loaded, without compile errors etc. > > The last thing to know is that regular modules cannot sink events, but a > class can. A regular > module cannot RAISE an event, but a class can. Classes are modules, but > modules are not classes. > > This is just a teaser to see if anyone is interested. > > If yes continue lecture else end if. > > -- > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 9 11:39:11 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:39:11 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo In-Reply-To: <57144ced0902090930k65b59be0ofafd0cf9c344b497@mail.gmail.com> References: <200902091633.n19GXJJL010690@databaseadvisors.com> <57144ced0902090930k65b59be0ofafd0cf9c344b497@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: You'll need to have a public AfterUpdate event in the combobox before you could call it like that. A class is a better and more secure way of doing it. Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of philippe pons Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:30 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo Hi Andy, should the name of the cbo be cboSelChap, I can call cboSelChap_AfterUpdate. but if I pass this cbo to a procedure, like call myProc(me.cboSelChap) I think I can't do the following: Sub myProc(ByRef cbo as ComboBox) Call cbo_AfterUpdate This won't work, and I try to find the correct syntax, if any. I need to have only one pric that handles several combo. Thansk's for your answer, Phiippe 2009/2/9 Andy Lacey > Hi Philippe > > Yes you can, and you just run it as a sub, so yourcbo_AfterUpdate > should work. Where are you calling it from though? If from outside the > form the cbo's on then you'll need to change the > > Private Sub yourcbo_AfterUpdate > > statement to Public Sub. > > -- > Andy Lacey > > > > > --------- Original Message -------- > From: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" > > To: "AccessD at databaseadvisors.com" > Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo > Date: 09/02/09 16:11 > > > Hi all, > > I have a small proc. to which I pass a reference to a combo box. > This proc has to synchronize the combo on the first item and run the > AfterUpdate event proc. > > Private Sub syncCboTest(ByRef cbo As ComboBox) ' syn de la cbo de > s???ction du chapitre cbo.SetFocus cbo = cbo.ItemData(0) ' Call > cboSelChap_AfterUpdate Call cbo_AfterUpdate '<= this won't work! > End Sub > > The question: > > How would you call the AfterUpdate event of a combobox that is > represented by it's reference?? > something like: cbo_AfterUpdate! > > If it is even possible! > > Best regards, > > Philippe Pons > -- AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > > ________________________________________________ > Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From cfoust at infostatsystems.com Mon Feb 9 11:41:41 2009 From: cfoust at infostatsystems.com (Charlotte Foust) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 09:41:41 -0800 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and WithEvengts was RE: Tags are so 1990s - wasRe: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? In-Reply-To: <49906776.1781420a.194e.0523@mx.google.com> References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com><383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <49906776.1781420a.194e.0523@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I'd say you haven't given classes a fair try, Max. Outlook is NOT a good object to practice on! LOL Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:27 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Classes and WithEvengts was RE: Tags are so 1990s - wasRe: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? Oh, no upping then. Must be thinking of swans (Bet you don't get that connection Charlotte - to do with the British Monarch owning all swans). The problem I have with classes is that (going on the ones I have created, say for example an Outlook Class to expose Outlook Properties) is that to use it I have to declare a container for the pointer, then I have to set the container to point to the class and then I can use the class properties and try to remember what done what. So, I always found it easier to just go directly to the properties themselves. Now then John - whoa back a bit - I can almost see you coming down the connection cable when you read that. I do appreciate that classes have other uses, especially when a UDF is created and also for security/enforcement of business rules. One rule changed in one place. And so on... So, I will follow your class with interest. Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 09 February 2009 16:02 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? It's Sinking and RAISING, not uping. LOL Using classes isn't the only way to do things, it's just the efficient way. Instead of writing the same code over and over, you embed that in a class and use the public interface of the class to handle its operations. If you bind a, oh, let's say ... A combobox ... To a class then the class can specify the combobox's behavior, appearance, and the way it handles itself. Want an oldvalue for a combobox? Put some code and a public property into the class and voila, you have a combobox with an oldvalue. More importantly, you have that whenever you bind a combobox to that class. I know a lot of people who never say the point in classes, but it's a bit like religion. Once you convert, you want to persuade everyone else how wonderful your approach is! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:50 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? Ha! It was in the 1990's I wrote it . I dont use tags now, but they might be useful for some purposes - I can think of one but won't go into that now. The aim was to demonstrate easily, the use of control looping with the various control types and not the storage of variable values. I also use classes but I am not a devotee like you John. Sinking and Uping (or whatever the reverse of sinking is) or WithEvents is not something I have ever got into and have never ever had a need for this - I say that because I have not come across anything that I cannot do without using it/them. I would be interest to follow a thread though. Thanks Max On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: > I'd be interested in this. Doubt I'll understand it, but I'd be interested. > > Karen Rosenstiel > Seattle WA USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 6:12:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue > display text? > > Guys, > > Using the tag value to store stuff is generally not a good solution, > and never was (well, perhaps before classes). The disadvantages of the > tag speak for itself, ONE location to store how much stuff? Packing, > unpacking variables that you want to store there, overwriting data > from the previous programmer, and the list goes on. > > Look, MS very kindly gave us Classes and WithEvents. > > Classes and Withevents is EASY. Classes and Withevents prepares you > for programming in other platforms such as dotnet. Classes and > withevents provide you with extremely powerful methods of handling > repetitive programing. Classes provide you with encapsulation of code > and data. If you are a programmer, all of these things should matter > to you. > > If you can program Code Behind Form, if you can do things like the > example code that Max so kindly provided, then classes are a tiny step > that will increase your skill and ability an order of magnitude. > AccessD has many developers using Classes and Withevents. > Perhaps they can speak up > with their opinions on the subject. > > If you want to learn how to do what Stuart was asking about using a > single pair of classes (a form class and a combo class), speak up and > I will start a thread on the subject. I will teach you how to do this > stuff, step by step, and in just a few emails you too can be using > classes and withevents. > > John W. Colby > www.ColbyConsulting.com > > > Max Wanadoo wrote: > > Hi Stuart, > > Here are two routines which you may care to look at. The first is to > store > > the value into the .TAG property of the control. > > The second just parses the controls. > > Might be of interes, might not, don't know, submitted as is - chuck > > it if > no > > good. > > Regards > > Max > > > > Public Function pubFunUpdateTagData(frm As Form) On Error Resume > > Next ' this puts the data into the tag before any changes are made > > > > Dim ctl As Control, z As Variant > > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > > With ctl > > Select Case .ControlType > > Case acTextBox ' this can hold numbers, strings and dates etc Select > > Case varType(frm(ctl.Name)) Case 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ' > > int,long,single,double,currency frm(ctl.Name).Tag = > > Val(frm(ctl.Name)) Case 7 frm(ctl.Name).Tag = CStr(frm(ctl.Name)) > > Case 8 frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) End Select Case acCheckBox > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = frm(ctl.Name) Case acComboBox Select Case > > frm(ctl.Name).RowSourceType Case "Table/Query" > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1)) 'MsgBox > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag Case "Value List" > > frm(ctl.Name).Tag = Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(0, 0)) Case Else End > > Select Case acListBox frm(ctl.Name).Tag = > > Nz(frm(ctl.Name).Column(1), "") Case acOptionGroup frm(ctl.Name).Tag > > = Nz(frm(ctl.Name), 0) End Select End With Next ctl > > > > exithere: > > Exit Function > > errhandler: > > MsgBox "Error in MCM_PeopleChanges.pubFunUpdateTagData: " & > > Err.Number & vbCrLf & Err.Description Resume exithere End Function > > > > Private Function RebuildPersonsFlagsFormsControls(frm As Form, > > lngPID As > > Long) > > On Error Resume Next > > Dim ctl As Control, strDesc As String Dim varSource As Variant, > > varvalue As Variant, varType As Variant, > varName > > As Variant > > Dim varVisible As Variant > > strDesc = frm.Name > > With frm > > For Each ctl In frm.Controls > > varName = ctl.Name > > varType = ctl.ControlType > > Select Case varType > > Case acTextBox > > varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue > > varVisible = ctl.Visible > > If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > 0 And _ Not > > IsNull(varvalue) And Len(varvalue) > 0 And varVisible = True Then > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) End If Case acComboBox varSource = ctl.ControlSource > > varvalue = ctl.OldValue If Not IsNull(varSource) And Len(varSource) > > > 0 Then Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, > > lngPID, conFlagsForms) End If Case acCheckBox varSource = > > ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue If varvalue = True Then > > Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) End If Case acOptionGroup varSource = > > ctl.ControlSource varvalue = ctl.OldValue Call mcmSetFlag(strDesc & > > ":" & varSource & ":" & varvalue, lngPID, > > conFlagsForms) > > Case acSubform > > Case acLabel > > Case acBoundObjectFrame > > Case acPage > > Case acPageBreak > > Case acCommandButton > > Case acCustomControl > > Case acRectangle > > Case acImage > > Case acTabCtl > > Case acLine > > Case acToggleButton > > Case acObjectFrame > > Case acListBox > > Case acOptionButton > > Case Else > > MsgBox "NewType found in RebuildPersonsFalgsSystemControls:", > > varType, varName > > End Select > > Next ctl > > End With > > End Function > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com > -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com -- AccessD mailing list AccessD at databaseadvisors.com http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 9 11:46:40 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:46:40 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Calling an AfterUpdate evnte proc. of a combo In-Reply-To: <57144ced0902090935v7a78b442o56ab0e48a2af1d7b@mail.gmail.com> References: <57144ced0902090805i3a633553u25ab3dd959b09182@mail.gmail.com> <49905E9A.2060502@colbyconsulting.com> <57144ced0902090935v7a78b442o56ab0e48a2af1d7b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49906C00.7060608@colbyconsulting.com> Philippe, If you go the class route, then you place the AfterUpdate event of the combo in the class itself. Because the AfterUpdate event for THIS SPECIFIC Combo exists in the class itself, then the name never changes(!) and it is within the scope of the class. Where are you calling SyncCboTest() from? I will be doing a combo class in the lecture that I am doing so stay tuned. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com philippe pons wrote: > Hi John, > > yes, I know you're a class and withevents guru! > I'll try this way, but if I remenber well your explanations of the > withevents statement, I recall > it allows a class to SINK the event of a control, but can it CALL an event > of tis control, not sure! > > Thank's for your help, > > Philippe > > 2009/2/9 jwcolby > >> This is possible, IF the AfterUpdate event exists within the scope of the >> calling subroutine and is >> actually called cbo_AfterUpdate. >> >> If you have a cboPerson and cboState and cboCity then the event to call >> would be >> cboPerson_AfterUpdate, cboState_AfterUpdate, cboCity_AfterUpdate. You see >> what I am saying? >> >> My guess is the cbo is not CALLED cbo back where it exists. You are trying >> to use a function to >> make something generic but the NAME of the objects AfterUpdate is not >> generic, and very likely the >> code cannot be seen from this function, the afterupdate sub is in the >> form's class and this function >> is where? In a module? Not the same scope. >> >> So no, you probably cannot do what you are trying to do. >> >> Now... if you had a class for your combo... >> >> ;-) >> >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> >> >> philippe pons wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a small proc. to which I pass a reference to a combo box. >>> This proc has to synchronize the combo on the first item >>> and run the AfterUpdate event proc. >>> >>> Private Sub syncCboTest(ByRef cbo As ComboBox) >>> ' syn de la cbo de s?lection du chapitre >>> cbo.SetFocus >>> cbo = cbo.ItemData(0) >>> ' Call cboSelChap_AfterUpdate >>> Call cbo_AfterUpdate '<== this won't work! >>> End Sub >>> >>> The question: >>> >>> How would you call the AfterUpdate event of a combobox that is >> represented >>> by it's reference?? >>> something like: cbo_AfterUpdate! >>> >>> If it is even possible! >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Philippe Pons >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com Mon Feb 9 11:50:32 2009 From: jwcolby at colbyconsulting.com (jwcolby) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 12:50:32 -0500 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and Events In-Reply-To: <57144ced0902090939na8aba3fkf2ca6b3aaeb8bc25@mail.gmail.com> References: <49904E1C.4080701@colbyconsulting.com> <57144ced0902090939na8aba3fkf2ca6b3aaeb8bc25@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49906CE8.2000906@colbyconsulting.com> Philippe, Understand that only a combo can RAISE a combo event, only a command button can RAISE a command button event. To RAISE an event means that an OBJECT "broadcasts" an event that it knows how to RAISE. You can SINK the combo event in a class, IF you have dimensioned a combo variable "WithEvents", and IF you have captured a pointer to said combo in the class. Stay tuned, you shall see how it is done. John W. Colby www.ColbyConsulting.com philippe pons wrote: > Hop, this is interesting: > A regular module cannot RAISE an event, but a class can > > So following a previous post, a question arises: > How would you raise a combo box event with a class? > > TIA, > > Philippe > > 2009/2/9 jwcolby > >> A QUICK introduction to classes and events. >> >> >> CLASSES: >> >> * The Code Behind Forms module in a form is a class module. >> * A class is a module, but a module is not a class. >> * A class has properties and behaviors that a module does not. >> * A class is actually instantiated when a set statement is executed. In >> other words, an INSTANCE of >> the class is loaded into memory, and stays in memory until it is >> specifically unloaded. >> * Like a module, a class can contain data (variables) and code. However >> the variables in a module >> can only contain ONE value at a time. >> * A class can be loaded into memory as many times as you want (limited only >> by the size of your >> memory) and EACH INSTANCE of a class can contain its own value in its >> variables. >> * All instances of a class SHARE code, but do not share variables. In >> other words, the code is only >> loaded into memory one time, but the variables are loaded once per class >> instance loaded. >> * The class (and every object, including forms and controls) unloads from >> memory when the last >> variable holding a pointer to the object is set to nothing. >> *A class has two built-in Events that fire, one as a class instance loads >> (Class_Initialize), and >> the other as the class instance unloads (Class_Terminate). >> >> Think of a class as a place to store information and code about some thing >> in the real world. >> Perhaps you have a clsPerson. That class has a bunch of variables called >> FirstName, LastName, SSN, >> ColorHair, ColorEyes, Gender, Birthdate etc. Load an INSTANCE of that >> class and fill in the data >> about John Colby, load another instance and fill in the data about Mary >> Colby etc. You might then >> have a piece of code that takes the birthdate and calculates the current >> age from that. The data >> and the code are all stored together in the class. >> >> EVENTS: >> >> Events can be thought of kind of like a radio transmission. The radio >> station transmits a signal, >> but they have no idea whether anyone is listening. In the case of events, >> this is called "Raising >> (or sourcing) and event". >> >> If someone is listening to that radio signal, then the person listening can >> do whatever they want >> with the signal they are receiving. They can do nothing at all, they can >> use it as a signal to >> launch an attack on an enemy, they can enjoy music, they can? The >> important thing to understand >> here is that what the listener does is up to the listener. >> >> In the case of events, receiving the signal is called "sinking" the event. >> >> Notice that the person broadcasting the signal doesn't know or care whether >> anyone is listening, nor >> do they know or care what the listener (if they even exist) does with the >> signal. >> >> When you open a form, the form is constantly raising events. It raises >> OnOpen, OnClose, OnCurrent, >> BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate, MouseMove etc etc. The events are raised >> whether or not anyone is >> listening. The form neither knows nor cares whether anyone is listening to >> (sinking) those events, >> it is simply raising these events so that if anyone is listening to >> (sinking) the events, they can >> do whatever they want when the events fire. >> >> When you place a control on the form, the control raises events under >> certain circumstances. When >> the control gets the focus it raises an OnFocus event, when it loses the >> focus it raises a LostFocus >> event, it raises a BeforeUpdate, AfterUpdate etc. Of course these events >> depend on what the user >> does, in other words they don't happen unless the user manipulates the >> control in the correct >> manner, enters data for example. But notice that while the control always >> raises the event, it >> neither knows nor cares whether anyone is listening, nor does it know or >> care what the listener does >> with the event if anyone is listening (sinking the event). >> >> This is a critical thing to understand, that the object raising an event >> does not know nor care >> about the listener, nor what the listener does. The reason that this is >> critical is because it >> allows you to design an interface between objects which is totally >> asynchronous or disconnected. >> Have you ever built a subform and referenced a control on the parent form? >> Have you ever tried to >> open that subform by itself? It complains that it cannot find the control >> on the parent. The >> subform is has a "connected" interface to the parent, without the parent it >> cannot do its thing >> correctly. The event "Raise/Sink" interface eliminates that dependence. >> The object raising the >> event does not depend on having a receiver of the event in order to >> function correctly. The >> receiver of events does not depend on the broadcaster existing in order to >> function, although of >> course it cannot do whatever it would do with the events if they are not >> being broadcast. But each >> side can be loaded and code can execute without the other side being >> loaded, without compile errors etc. >> >> The last thing to know is that regular modules cannot sink events, but a >> class can. A regular >> module cannot RAISE an event, but a class can. Classes are modules, but >> modules are not classes. >> >> This is just a teaser to see if anyone is interested. >> >> If yes continue lecture else end if. >> >> -- >> John W. Colby >> www.ColbyConsulting.com >> -- >> AccessD mailing list >> AccessD at databaseadvisors.com >> http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd >> Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >> From max.wanadoo at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:52:01 2009 From: max.wanadoo at gmail.com (Max Wanadoo) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:52:01 -0000 Subject: [AccessD] Classes and WithEvengts was RE: Tags are so 1990s - wasRe: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? In-Reply-To: References: <499039E4.9060903@colbyconsulting.com><383872510.2876221234193968992.JavaMail.root@sz0037a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <49906776.1781420a.194e.0523@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <49906d46.1781420a.194e.1548@mx.google.com> Agreed Charlotte, but there are others. But, I will follow this thread with great interest. Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 09 February 2009 17:42 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Classes and WithEvengts was RE: Tags are so 1990s - wasRe: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? I'd say you haven't given classes a fair try, Max. Outlook is NOT a good object to practice on! LOL Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:27 AM To: 'Access Developers discussion and problem solving' Subject: [AccessD] Classes and WithEvengts was RE: Tags are so 1990s - wasRe: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? Oh, no upping then. Must be thinking of swans (Bet you don't get that connection Charlotte - to do with the British Monarch owning all swans). The problem I have with classes is that (going on the ones I have created, say for example an Outlook Class to expose Outlook Properties) is that to use it I have to declare a container for the pointer, then I have to set the container to point to the class and then I can use the class properties and try to remember what done what. So, I always found it easier to just go directly to the properties themselves. Now then John - whoa back a bit - I can almost see you coming down the connection cable when you read that. I do appreciate that classes have other uses, especially when a UDF is created and also for security/enforcement of business rules. One rule changed in one place. And so on... So, I will follow your class with interest. Thanks Max -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Charlotte Foust Sent: 09 February 2009 16:02 To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? It's Sinking and RAISING, not uping. LOL Using classes isn't the only way to do things, it's just the efficient way. Instead of writing the same code over and over, you embed that in a class and use the public interface of the class to handle its operations. If you bind a, oh, let's say ... A combobox ... To a class then the class can specify the combobox's behavior, appearance, and the way it handles itself. Want an oldvalue for a combobox? Put some code and a public property into the class and voila, you have a combobox with an oldvalue. More importantly, you have that whenever you bind a combobox to that class. I know a lot of people who never say the point in classes, but it's a bit like religion. Once you convert, you want to persuade everyone else how wonderful your approach is! Charlotte Foust -----Original Message----- From: accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com [mailto:accessd-bounces at databaseadvisors.com] On Behalf Of Max Wanadoo Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 7:50 AM To: Access Developers discussion and problem solving Subject: Re: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue displaytext? Ha! It was in the 1990's I wrote it . I dont use tags now, but they might be useful for some purposes - I can think of one but won't go into that now. The aim was to demonstrate easily, the use of control looping with the various control types and not the storage of variable values. I also use classes but I am not a devotee like you John. Sinking and Uping (or whatever the reverse of sinking is) or WithEvents is not something I have ever got into and have never ever had a need for this - I say that because I have not come across anything that I cannot do without using it/them. I would be interest to follow a thread though. Thanks Max On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 3:39 PM, wrote: > I'd be interested in this. Doubt I'll understand it, but I'd be interested. > > Karen Rosenstiel > Seattle WA USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jwcolby" > To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" < > accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 6:12:52 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: [AccessD] Tags are so 1990s - was Re: Combobox.oldvalue > display text? > > Guys, > > Using the tag value to store stuff is generally not a good solution, > and never was (well, perhaps before classes). The disadvantages of the > tag speak for itself, ONE location to store how much stuff? Packing, > unpacking variables that you want to store there, overwriting data > from the previous programmer, and the list goes on. > > Look, MS very kindly gave us Classes and WithEvents. > > Classes and Withevents is EASY. Classes and Withevents prepares you > for programming in other platforms such as dotnet. Classes and > withevents provide you with extremely powerful methods of handling > repetitive programing. Classes provide you with encapsulation of code > and data. If you are a programmer, all of these things should matter > to you. > > If you can program Code Behind Form, if you can do things like the > example code that Max so kindly provided, then classes are a tiny step > that will increase your skill and ability an order of magnitude. > AccessD has many developers using Classes and Withevents. > Perh