William Hindman
wdhindman at dejpolsystems.com
Wed Feb 25 16:48:14 CST 2009
...William has done it all by my lonely ...wish I had understood anything about inheritance before I leapt into that fire ...and it will all have to be redone when I find the time ...much like my first Access apps :) William -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:24 PM To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) > Hi Shamil > > That could be an interesting exercise - all these tools would be new to > me, and converting an Access app to .NET WinForms will probably be a task > we all will face sooner or later (William is all about it, so he says). I > have only done WinForms from scratch. > > One discussion will be how to perform data binding. Having used only > datatableadapters and datatables, I find all the SqlClient and SqlCommand > stuff for totally waste of time while I on the other hand currently is > struggling with the ADO.NET Entity Model as it looks promising to me for > many purposes. A bit like the tag/class discussion ... which I stayed off > as I've never used a Tag for anything. > > /gustav > >>>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 25-02-2009 21:31 >>> > > Hi Gustav, > > My knowledge of Finnish language is almost at zero level - I used English > while in Helsinki, and I have found that most of the people there knows > English well enough to understand my English :)... > > As far as I currently realize SCRUM would be rather useless for > "alone-wolf" working mode - SCRUM is to empower teamwork. > > I'm thinking first of all about simple project as e.g. converting MS > Access Northwind to .NET WinForms application - that first simple project > would produce useful result as e.g. set rathwer clear figure based on > working experience on how much it could take to convert simple MS Access > applications to .NET as well as it could help to setup initial simple > agile disributed environment. I'd expect there should be quite some more > useful practical outputs from this simple project if it would be done > SCRUM way as SCRUM results not only in percievable practical outputs but > also brings group and personal experiences, which can't be achieved other > way (at least I do not know such other ways)... > > Not "preaching" here for any advanced rocket science software > development - just thinking about something like "dumb" manual conversion > of MS Access Northwind into .NET WinForms + .NET ReportViewer Northwind > desktop sample app but with this conversion done using SCRUM development > process applied as much as possible in distributed environmnet starting > from scratch and keeping in mind that first of all a result - converted > app should be delivered within max one man-month, and if all goes well > then even within 1/2 man month with another 1/2 man month or less spent to > build needed simple first version of distributed agile development > environment. (1/2 - 1 man-month needed for such project is my current > evaluation which could be wrong - this should be changed/reevaluated by > team in the very beginning - and this evaluation should be a fun of > playing SCRUM plannning pocker cards - > http://jeffsutherland.com/scrum/2007/10/planning-poker-cards-get-them-here.html > - :) > > Development tools: VS2008, and no third party tools/controls for > application development + some open source agile development tools - > something like described here maybe: > > http://blog.benhall.me.uk/2008/08/continuous-integration-builds-for.html > > No clear idea yet because to make this project a reality there should be > at least seven team members who would be interested to commit up to one > hour working on this project within working days within one month, and > they should have some beginners experience to design .NET WinForms... > > Anybody? (There could be main seven team members with many their proxies > who can commit several hours of working on this project when main team > members will be very busy with their everyday duties but if this project > will ever get started then there should be equally distributed time spent > over project weeks as this would allow to calculate so called team > velocity based on rithm - and velocity value is quite important to > evaluate how "powerful team is" and how much it would take for this team > to make this or that future projects...) > > The next project could be trying to make similar conversion but using some > (nand made) conversion automation tools... > > The third one could be substituting MS Access backend with MS SQL 2005(?) > backend... > > The forth one could be getting .NET Winform sample app "converted" to > ASP.NET... > etc. > > But it doesn't make sense to plan even for the second project now until > first one will be done, and if that first one will be done then (according > to SCRUM principles and expectations) there will be the other day, with > its own needs, and that other day will define what other project is the > most useful, practical and applicable to implement for all the interested > parties: stakeholders/users, ProductOwner, SCRUMMaster and team members... > > Thank you. > > -- > Shamil > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com> > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:07:34 +0100 > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...) > >> Hi Shamil >> >> Yes, Finland is a nice place - I think - because last time I visited the >> country was about 35 years ago! But I still remember how to order two >> beers in Finnish - which by the way is a language very much different >> from most Western languages. Just to learn how to count to ten is a >> challenge. >> >> I've always had the opinion that things like scrum is a bit overkill when >> you mostly work on your own projects, but if it can help keeping you >> organised including keeping track of notes and ideas, this could be the >> occasion to give it a go. And a "demo" project could be a good method to >> keep feet on the ground. >> >> What kind of project do you have in mind? >> >> For those interested I think Danube may not be the best site to start - >> here is a place that starts at zero: >> >> http://www.scrumalliance.org/pages/what_is_scrum >> >> /gustav >> >> >> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 25-02-2009 15:59 >>> >> >> Hi Max, >> >> Thank you. >> >> Sorry for some following off-topic guys. >> >> I have been Finland for several days, and I have got DANUBE's >> (http://www.danube.com/) Certified SCRUMMaster training: I ilked it, and >> it was an "eye opener" in some of the areas of agile software >> development... >> >> I also liked the foods, walking around Helsinki downtown, which is in >> some places very much alike to St.Petersburg's architecture, clear water >> and fresh air and a rather comfortavle Radisson SAS Royal Hotel staying: >> would I have had been more wealthy I would have been going travelling >> much more often to Finland, and the West Europe (and the States and >> Canada and Australia... :) (never been in the latter two)) - just to >> experience the difference of the living environment :) >> >> It's so easy to get to Finland from here these days provided one have >> Shengen Visa: by own car, by express bus, train etc. even by taxi - still >> it's the other world with much more comfortable living envionment and >> much more user-friendly common atmosphere... (Making very big money one >> can create such a good living environmnet here also these days but that >> would be isolated one, and of course no one with even huge money can >> create such an "user-friendly" atmosphere as in Finland (I'm not afraid >> on snow and frost you know :)) - creating the latter needs "mind shift" >> of several generations... >> >> Based on my new SCRUM experience I'm thinking to propose to develop a >> sample SCRUM-process driven small (half to one man/month) >> non-profit/open-source project here, I'm not committing for that activity >> yet, and I'm not asking volunteers to commit (there will be needed 7+/-2 >> developers) - I will try to prepare to it, hopefully soon - that project >> experience and results can be published on AccessD... >> >> Maybe it's time to start an AccessD-SCRUM discussion list? >> >> Thank you. >> >> -- >> Shamil > > -- > AccessD mailing list > AccessD at databaseadvisors.com > http://databaseadvisors.com/mailman/listinfo/accessd > Website: http://www.databaseadvisors.com >