[AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)

Stuart McLachlan stuart at lexacorp.com.pg
Sat Feb 28 17:21:49 CST 2009


On 28 Feb 2009 at 15:25, William Hindman wrote:

> Shamil
> 
> "May I ask you all why Gustav and myself can't get a group of 5 team 
> members?"
> 
> ...I'm 62 yo and have worked as a single developer for the past 15 years 
> ...SCRUM is focused on something I'm very unlikely to ever use ...and 
> fortunately, I'm still so loaded down between development work and building 
> our home that I simply have no time available for anything that I don't 
> foresee using myself ...I do wish I was 20 years younger and could find the 
> time and energy to learn something new from people like you and gustav just 
> for the hell of it ...but I'm not and that's the long and short of it.
> 
> William
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Salakhetdinov Shamil" <mcp2004 at mail.ru>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 2:48 PM
> To: "Access Developers discussion and problem solving" 
> <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> Subject: Re: [AccessD]Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)
> 
> >
> > Hi Gustav,
> >
> > Thank you for registering.
> >
> > Yes, I agree that at this moment 5 users limitations seems of no 
> > importance.
> >
> > Anybody else wanted to join me and Gustav to try MS Access Northwind to 
> > .NET Winforms Northwind conversion project?
> > Project is currently planned to be started at 9th of March 2009, and is 
> > expected to be finished in max 1 man month of common efforts.
> > Conversion is planned to be done using SCRUM/agile development methology.
> > It will be public open source project with project progress information 
> > and final converted application published on AccessD.
> > This is planned to be as simple as possible project - the only knowledge 
> > of VS2008 that would be needed at the beginning is how to design .NET 
> > WinForms by dragginbg and dropping controls and settings some properties. 
> > And this development activity is simple - my seven years old kid started 
> > to "design" WinForms after 2 minutes of my introduction, and he even 
> > "programmed" buttons' click events reaction etc. Really easy and very much 
> > alike to the usual MS Access forms development.
> >
> > .NET ReportViewer Control reports' design experience would be a plus but 
> > not necessary as it's also rather straightforward to get acquanted with 
> > for experienced developers whatever else Report Designer they used 
> > before...
> >
> > Folks, if you can't join this project because you're very busy maybe you 
> > can at least participate in the "planning poker game"? There is a free 
> > online tool to play it: http://www.planningpoker.com/
> >
> > May I ask yuu all why Gustav and myself can't get a group of 5 team 
> > members?
> >
> > If you do not want to answer on this question here please send me private 
> > e-mails with your reasons - just one most important reason or several, and 
> > I will collect them and publish here anonymously. And I can make an 
> > anonymous online poll based on that reasons to vote and see what are main 
> > reasons, which stop such projects. Please write and send ANY reasons which 
> > stop you from participating in this discussion/project.
> >
> > I will wait for your votes/e-mails till next Wednesday as it's weekend now 
> > and not all listers work over weekend. I do hope somebody will join us 
> > during the next week.
> >
> > In the meantime I will be preparing infrastructure, and some simple tools 
> > to patially automate this conversion, and I will have also to work for my 
> > customers of course...
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > --
> > Shamil
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Gustav Brock" <Gustav at cactus.dk>
> > To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> > Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:43:11 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)
> >
> >> Hi Shamil
> >>
> >> OK, I signed up.
> >>
> >> As for the software, the TargetProcess "community edition" will only do 
> >> be free for 5 licenses. If more users, it is USD 249 for each and every 
> >> user:
> >>
> >> Q. What if I need 6 users pack?
> >> In this case it will be required to purchase 6 full licenses. Community 
> >> Edition allows to have 5 licenses, if you need more, you have to migrate 
> >> to On-Site or On-Demand Full Edition.
> >>
> >> However, at this moment this limitation seems of no importance.
> >>
> >> /gustav
> >>
> >>
> >> >>> mcp2004 at mail.ru 28-02-2009 15:43 >>>
> >>
> >> Hi Gustav and Fellow Listers,
> >>
> >> Yes, the response on my proposal is a bit discouraging but I'm continuing 
> >> preparation here for the conversion project of MS Access NorthWind sample 
> >> app to .NET WinForms.
> >>
> >> Yes, Gustav, we can try to do it just with you but SCRUM/agile process 
> >> needs a little bit more team members - at least 4-5: if doing this 
> >> project by using just your and mine efforts it can be done agile way but 
> >> not SCRUM, and it will take more time, and what is most important it will 
> >> not show advantages of working as a team - and the advantages in this 
> >> case is not only joining the efforts and skills - the main advantage is 
> >> to experience how teamwork influences one's own views and insights - and 
> >> it does influence then very effectively - I mean that - I have just 
> >> experienced that during CSM course in Helsinki. Even participating for 
> >> years in great dicussion lists as this AccessD one do not change one's 
> >> stereotypes and (conservative) ways of thinking as SCRUM/agile teamwork 
> >> does...
> >>
> >> I plan to keep preparing SCRUM/agile infrastructure for the Northwind 
> >> conversion project within the next week - in my plans is to setup DNN 
> >> site - first step is done:
> >>
> >> http://shamils-4.hosting.parking.ru/dnn49
> >>
> >> nothing except registration there yet but it's up&running - I "just" need 
> >> to add some DNN modules - do not know how to do that yet - plan to do 
> >> that within the next week - I can keep posting SCRUM related info on this 
> >> site as well as we can have wiki board on it to have "daily stand-up 
> >> meetings" as well as I can setup newlist on it to have everybody 
> >> registered and subscribed to this newlist informed on what is happening. 
> >> Of course it will be forwarded here - the best woudl be to have separate 
> >> SCRUM%Access-D list but it's probably too early?
> >>
> >> I'm also evaluating this software
> >>
> >> http://www.targetprocess.com/Product.aspx
> >>
> >> to have our project tasks and their completion progress status easily 
> >> manageable and viewvable by every team member. I also expect (they talk 
> >> about integration with CVS but I haven't yet evaluated how it's done) 
> >> this software will allow to keep distributed source control for the team. 
> >> This software seems to have a free community edition and if that is true 
> >> then I can install it on my ASP.NET hosting web site.
> >>
> >> Please everybody interested help me to evaluate how useful it is for our 
> >> purposes.
> >> If you can find any better ASP.NET alternatives that woull be very 
> >> useful.
> >>
> >> I persoally like a lot this Team Taskboard of SCRUMWorks software:
> >>
> >> http://danube.com/sw_flash/feature/features-team_taskboard.html
> >>
> >> but this software is JAVA based and a "black-box" for me - I'd not use it 
> >> because of that.
> >>
> >> I'm currently spending considerably more than one hour here to prepare 
> >> all that - I can't ask to spend that much time you or other AcceessD 
> >> members but when everything ready I'd propose to strickly keep the 
> >> context of spending not more than one hour (5 hours total per week) for 
> >> this project. Well, maybe some more time discussing here how it will be 
> >> proceeding...
> >>
> >> I'd set 9th of Macrh 2009 as the start date for this project - OK? - if 
> >> nobody will join us by that date we will try to do it together with you. 
> >> Everybody are welcome! If to not participate in this project by doing 
> >> some simple .NET forms design/program then at least to help us to 
> >> evaluate how much this or that feature/task will take to get implemented. 
> >> This is so called "estimation using planning poker cards" - 
> >> http://www.crisp.se/planningpoker - doing such an estimation by two 
> >> people could result in not so good results as when it's done by 5 or more 
> >> people.
> >>
> >> Here are some links on SCRUM/agile and related issues - I will keep 
> >> posting links like that to get convinced some more AccessD members to 
> >> join our project:
> >>
> >> Tobias Mayer - my facilitator during SCRUM course there in Helsinki:
> >> http://www.danube.com/blog/tobias_mayer/
> >>
> >> Agile software development info:
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development
> >>
> >> Scale Back: Small is Beautiful - how group evaluation/planning results in 
> >> simple but very good results:
> >> http://agilethinking.net/blog/2008/08/18/scale-back-small-is-beautiful
> >>
> >> Extreme Scrum (154KB)
> >> https://www-927.ibm.com/ibm/cas/archives/2007/data/Agile/Extreme_Scrum.pdf
> >>
> >> What happens when we are all connected - Future Views
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqPs0xuG39Q (~6 min)
> >>
> >> "Only 3% of the world is on broadband today, and it's neither cheap, fast 
> >> or mobile enough. This will change in the next 2-3 years, and the 
> >> implications are huge: everyone shares, everyone networks with 
> >> strangers-like-me, everyone co-creates, everything is connected. A video 
> >> by Futurist and Author Gerd Leonhard"
> >>
> >> Working on SCRUM/Agile infrastructure here/expecting for more AccessD to 
> >> connect this project...
> >>
> >> Please comment on this my posting - all and every comments and 
> >> contributions are very welcome!
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Shamil
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: "Gustav Brock" <gustav at cactus.dk>
> >> To: <accessd at databaseadvisors.com>
> >> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 08:10:00 +0100
> >> Subject: Re: [AccessD] Scrum (was: Find First in an Array? ...)
> >>
> >> > Hi Shamil
> >> >
> >> > Not much response to your proposal ... I guess our fellow listers are 
> >> > too busy or just don't feel the need to experience how to work in a 
> >> > group.
> >> > To be honest, neither do I have currently that need but as "you never 
> >> > know" I am prepared to allocate the time you suggest. That makes two. 
> >> > But two? Doesn't it require three "to make a crowd"?
> >> >
> >> > Your adjusted description of the project fits me very well.
> >> >
> >> > /gustav
> >>
> >>
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